Masters Alliance Uncut

Inside The Collusion: AAU, USAT, And A Gag Order Exposed

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A phone call shouldn’t decide who gets to coach, speak, or make a living—but that’s exactly what the leaked audio reveals. We lay out a clear, unvarnished look at how a new MOU between major amateur Taekwondo bodies can operate as a de facto gag order, pressuring coaches to abandon public criticism or lose opportunities. No rumors, no hedging—just a candid breakdown of the terms, the tactics, and the toll this kind of gatekeeping takes on athletes, parents, and the coaching community.

We start with the context: travel, events, and the growing chatter around AAU and USAT cooperation. Then we hit play on the call. You’ll hear how “leadership” becomes a bargaining chip, how affiliations get weaponized, and how blackballing is framed as “professional.” We examine why this matters beyond one podcast or one coach: when honest critique is punished, athlete development suffers, transparency dies, and the sport’s pipeline bends toward compliance instead of merit.

From historical power plays to present-day ultimatums, we connect patterns of governance that value optics over outcomes. We talk ethical lines—what you trade when you accept silence for access, and why “change from the inside” often fails when insiders get outvoted. Most importantly, we outline practical fixes: public MOUs that stick to logistics, transparent selection standards, conflict-of-interest rules, independent grievance channels, and speech protections for professionals who put athletes first.

If you care about integrity, athlete welfare, and competitive excellence, this conversation is for you. Listen, share with your team, and tell us where you stand. Subscribe, leave a review, and join the push for transparent, athlete-centered governance. Your voice can amplify the change our community needs.

SPEAKER_05

Not we the people. I am the people. My Lord will be able to do it.

Travel Recaps And Setup

SPEAKER_01

Welcome back. This is the Warehouse 15. We have all been pretty far from home. I went to Portugal. Not Portugal the man, but Portugal the country. With my son for some soccer. As you know, I love to travel around with him. Great food, great people, and an abrigato. Cotado and uh oh, pastel de nada, nata. And just delicious, delicious people, and really good. And then um, I know Coach Moreno has been very, very far from home, and TJ got his bracelet off, so he was able to travel to uh Oklahoma. But welcome everybody, how are we doing? Oklahoma, baby. Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma. I got a great clip for that later. But go ahead, what do we got? Yeah, I just got back from Peru.

SPEAKER_02

Great to be there doing some seminars and some coaching programs. Really fun. Like you had some good food, made some great people. But always good to be back home in the freezing cold of Miami. It was 38 today in the morning, and it felt like 29. Crazy. Crazy.

SPEAKER_07

He sent me pictures with uh Parkers on.

SPEAKER_02

Bro, I was freezing. Freezing. Crazy.

SPEAKER_07

But it was pretty cold in Tulsa too. Um I was there for the US team trial, so maybe uh next episode we'll get back to get back to that a little bit. A little bit hectic of a weekend, fast weekend, but hectic weekend. A lot of a lot of good, a lot of bad, a lot of whatever. But anyways, um you wanna you wanna go ahead and start first?

SPEAKER_01

Start, but you know, I don't I don't know how people find us. They find us somehow. And when they find us, they share with us these amazing things, which I've never seen before. And so I've been to Oklahoma a lot. As you know, I was sponsored by Century Martial Arts and and Coach Moreno's been there. I don't know if you've ever been there, but um you should have been, considering your record. But I just got this from it's unbelievable. I it has a clip of you in Oklahoma last week. So let me share this for a second because I have never seen this before.

SPEAKER_07

Dirty Ryan Scandals. He was a great actor. But I like Oklahoma. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

No, this isn't your mother. That mother?

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_00

But I have wonderful news. Mr. Trump and I are going to be married. And we are going to live in Oklahoma. Okay. Really? Oh blah!

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

No idea, but I mean, I don't know how they got there. But anyway, welcome back, everybody. I know we got a lot going on. But uh, let's get started. So I I understand we got a lot to talk about today, but we got this one particular thing. And TJ, you want to share something with us?

Why This Conversation Matters

SPEAKER_07

Uh yeah, no, I I think um, like I we you know, since we started this podcast, we've been kind of put our facts and our opinions about the the sport as a whole. And you know, there's been this kind of big, bigger backlash from it very recently with all the AAU stuff, you know, leading over to the USAT with all the MOU stuff being signed. And there's there's it it changed fast for me. That that whole like um brown work changed pretty fast, being kind of in a good spot with AAU and doing a lot of good things with them, being put in a lot of good positions to, you know, MOU being signed, and and the texture of that conversation changed pretty quickly. And I thought this time was one of those times that I I was able to, I don't know, be able to hold it and and and and force myself to do something I'm not used to doing, force myself to to kind of think outside, I guess not the box, but just to make sure that I'm not crazy and I'm not the only one that understands how this game is being played and how it's being propositioned against the people they wanted to be propositioned against.

SPEAKER_02

So I I wanna cut in you know for a second because I think there's been I said we started this podcast over a year ago, we've had a lot of fun with it. We've had some great uh we've had some guests on, we've had an overwhelmingly positive response. People telling us from left and right how we're saying what everybody thinks, blah blah blah. Um you know, we use our professional opinions, we we we have a good time. And recently this nonsense has gotten a little bit out of control. And there's been some people trying to change the narrative with you know, little you know, interesting timed, you know, press releases with you know websites and uh martial art companies and stuff like that. And you know, for for some of those people that think that this stuff isn't real, I think you're about to get some information. And for some of you people that thought it was real, you're gonna get some validation.

SPEAKER_07

So um it's uh it's it it's time to it's time it's I hope a whole lot of uh I hopefully a whole lot of awareness and and understanding and uh kind of seeing it from the other side.

SPEAKER_02

So there's gonna be some connected dots for sure.

SPEAKER_01

So we're gonna let me are we just gonna we're gonna play an audio clip and are we gonna talk about it before or are we just gonna play it? Do you want to set it up? We're gonna we're gonna share with you an audio clip um that was recorded um as a conversation, the interview, and uh it was a conversation between a couple of people, and I'll let it play, and then we'll talk about it after you. But it should help for those of you curious about where we are, why we are, what we're finding ourselves in front of. This should clarify some of the challenges that you've had understanding it. Is that enough of a setup, gentlemen?

SPEAKER_02

Do we need to say who it is, or we'll we'll talk about it afterwards?

Playing The Controversial Audio

SPEAKER_01

I mean, it's up to you. We we can talk about it afterwards, it's just a thing, you know. We'll we'll share it and and they can uh they can take what they want from it. So here is an actual conversation. Um, one of the participants is TJ Jennings, um, Olympian and current coach and world-class cap coach and all that stuff. But more importantly, the most important thing in his life, he's a good friend of ours. We go way back and we we formed the triumphant the the three possible gold medal, silver, and bronze medal in an Olympic Games, bring the most experience and record to the sport. And so, with that said, I'm gonna share this and let me start it from the beginning. Are we ready? Here we go.

SPEAKER_05

It's a mess, bro. It's a mess, it sucks, but this is what is being presented, and it's the only way.

SPEAKER_07

But what okay, so let's say I understand what you're saying. I just don't understand. Let's say that is what's being it's a trade-off. I got you. It's a trade-off. They, if you guys, you know, if if you guys work with me, then they're gonna work with Bobby and whoever else you just say. Ryan and all the and dry up. Right. But like let's say they work with them and you work, like, how does this affect the or I'm I'm missing the point of again, still, what's the grand plan? Like, you don't work with them, they don't work with me, or you guys don't work with me, they don't work with them, or they do or they don't. Like, how does that affect both organizations if there's like if like again, I I thought the MOU's not saying that you're a huge part, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

You're a huge part. Like, what with the goals that AAU want as a district chair, as a regional chair, as a part of the Olympic sparring program, all that stuff like that. It would suck not to be able to work with you. That would suck. It would hurt AAU. It would hurt AAU directly, but they're willing to do that. They're willing, they're willing to do that. I I literally have to be prepared to call other people to offer them this position.

The Ultimatum: Podcast Or Positions

SPEAKER_07

I understand I got it. Sounds great. Um, but like I guess I'm still missing the point. Like moving forward, past this MOU, past, past this, okay. They they they work um, if they work with these guys, you work with me, like, where's the building point that it fucking matters? I'm missing where it matters. Where it matters to like I understand you're telling me I have value to the organization. I get all that. Like, I'm not I'm not arguing. I'm sure maybe they have value, and maybe those other guys have value to USAT. I got it. Whatever the fuck you want to say.

unknown

Uh I guess.

SPEAKER_07

I don't know, but that's that's my point. You guys are you you guys want me to work, you guys want me to work with you at AAU. I told you from the beginning, I think the the platform with AAU and the ability of things that can happen and how it can be organize is amazing. I think the opportunity is great. But again, like I said, you guys agree that I'm a good fit for the for the organization and all these things like this, and I can, you know, we we've been talking a lot. But like, and I guess they would have the point would have to be on the other side, they have to have the same reasoning behind wanting Bobby and and and Ryan and all of them. Right. They have something they're offering them or like they can help the organization, blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_05

They're offering them a lot of bull bullshit, but I don't think they can deliver on it. And so this is how it is. Steve said, I said, hey, we wanna we want TJ involved, and he said, okay, well, that only happens if the podcast.

SPEAKER_07

But involved in, I guess that's my point. You AAU wants me involved, and Steve says, only if the podcast stops. What does Steve have to do with AU? Is my like I'm missing that part of the MOU. So then the MOU is broken because if we put you in a leadership position and you're talking bad about the other organization, I know it's broken, but what does the MOU hold in place? Like the MOU basically says, these guys won't talk shit, this guy won't talk shit because we are building together to do what? Like, I don't I don't understand how, like, even if these guys get in, because even these guys get in on that side and they don't talk shit. Like, I don't I first of all personally, personally, I know, first of all, I have not heard anything from any of them about talking shit. Like, that's that's the thing. I've heard a lot of things, but like I I think it's irrelevant on that side. I don't really think anybody, like, I haven't heard it. Me personally, I haven't heard it. That's one. For two, obviously they've heard me talk shit because I do it live on a fucking podcast. Got it. Most people have. But like, I'm missing how whether they talk shit or I talk shit or they work with me, or they work with those guys and they stop talking, you guys work with me and I stop talking. How is that beneficial other than nobody's talking shit to the two organizations that have no other than not putting the tournaments on the same dates and all the stuff you guys told me about? Like, what part am I missing that there's some mutual benefit and or a stronger benefit for AAU than it is for USAT? Like, I'm I'm missing something.

SPEAKER_05

So, it uh unfortunately, it's this simple. Mirzo will do anything to make it to where those guys don't work with USAT. That that that's that's just how it is.

SPEAKER_07

It's it's that so this has nothing to do with actually anything other than blocking and who's not this and who's not that. So these guys say this and these guys, these guys say Murza says, I don't want to work with you guys, I don't want these guys to have work anywhere. They're bad people. So I'm gonna talk to USAT and USAT, well, we won't work with them if you guys don't work with TJ. Basically.

SPEAKER_05

Uh no, no, no. No, no, no. So your name, your name's fine. Not that we won't work with them as long as you don't work with anybody that publicly speaks bad about us, which aka is you. So this is I said, well, that's not fair. I get an opportunity, I get an opportunity to talk to TJ first. And so they said they granted that, and so I stuck my neck out and said, hey, and then I told you what it is. But I there is things in in talks of like working together in regards to things. We won't host a tournament together because nobody cares about Mirza doesn't want to work with Safe Sport. Uh we won't have the tournament on the same week and all that stuff like that. Um they will they they want to do something along the lines where if AAU team members have the opportunity to possibly get a wild card to their team trials and possibly go train at the academy and stuff like that. But that is like far down the line. We got to get this one done.

SPEAKER_07

No, I understand. I just was assuming this was something stopping a bunch of other plans that were in place. This is just like a it's like a it's like a freaking it has it's so let's say I'm fine, they don't care about me, but in saying that these USAT won't work with those guys, this is the this is the trade-off that whoever you guys work with can't publicly talk shit.

SPEAKER_05

Correct. But it's the most professional way that they could just say your name. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_07

Of course, because I mean obviously if you bought up my name and said you want to work with me and that's what you got back, it has to be about me.

Decoding The MOU’s Real Purpose

SPEAKER_05

Correct. So that it's just some high school bullshit. You can't sit with them if you we sit with them. And that's just how it is. Like it's petty bullshit, it's wrong. I think it's really wrong, because I also have relationships with Ryan and Bobby and all that stuff like that, but I have my own recent opinions about them, but those are irrelevant. My thing is if I can help you, and because look, here's my thing. You're gonna be fine no matter what. You've always worked hard, you've always been an underdog, you've always found a way to be out on top, and you're gonna be fine no matter what. This is the part to where you just maybe can catch a break and just make some fucking money, do some stuff, be a part of this, because I don't I don't know what happens after this. Like, it is simple. Like, if you do if you keep doing the podcast, like you won't, you won't it sucks, but we can't invite you on AAU trips. We can't we can't have you involved in the Olympic program.

SPEAKER_07

If you're but someone going, I thought you I thought it was someone within a leadership position.

SPEAKER_05

That is leadership because what we're happy with is that that is uh considered leadership, I guess.

SPEAKER_07

So an elite coach is considered leadership?

SPEAKER_05

Not an elite coach. We yeah, but you're not an elite leader.

SPEAKER_07

No, I understand, but I'm just saying, like, obviously, if you go in any capacity, not not being a region, not talking about the regionals, not talking about the district, I'm talking about going on a trip because I have five guys on the team.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, anyone that represents AU, and the main thing is that I've been trying to say is that like Glint has Clint Clinton thinks very highly of you as well. Like he goes, Alex, like if we can get tops brought back up in Olympic sporting program and special team and all that stuff like that, TJ's the guy. TJ TJ is the top coach in the country at this time, and um, he has a lot of value. And I go, guys, stop who gives a shit? He's just a good dude. We want good people around us that actually care about the athletes and Taekwondo. He does it for the right reasons. And he's just like, well, if you can get him to stop, then that'd be great. And I go, he's a grown, grown ass man. He's gonna do what he wants. But it is as simple as that. I can't, and it's it's weird, it sucks, it's not fun, it puts me in a really super awkward position because at the end of the day, like I've talked to Juan, Juan and I have become like close, and I I trust him, and he trusts me, and I believe he has my best interest. I can't save him. I can't, I can't, there's nothing I can do. And like, it's Murza's world in AU, it's Steve McNally's world in USAT, and I'm just gonna find a way to get mine and protect those that I can and create opportunities that I can until I get a platform strong enough to where I can say I don't need either organization and I can just do my own thing. But at that time right now, that's that's hard. That's still hard. So that's that's where it's at. Like if if you think that, hey, too messy, I can't I can't put I can't do this, I'm not gonna fault you. Or if you're like, you know what, like, all right, let's just make some fucking money and figure it out as we go along, then cool, I'm down. Like, but it's a shitty situation, bro. And I I know it's gonna make you feel like Juan's like a dad to you, you know, you know, so like nailing on a podcast and it's gonna suck and it's gonna feel weird, it's gonna feel like USAP won or anything like that, or they were found a way to shut you up, kind of thing. But this is this is what's been presented to me, and unfortunately, I'm the messenger that's gonna present it to you.

SPEAKER_07

Right. And then that's before we even talk about all the the messy stuff with the regionals and the in the in the districts and dealing with Abdul.

Blackballing, Gatekeeping, And Money

SPEAKER_05

That's gonna be easy. We just can't do it right now. Like, you're gonna get to run a tournament. I will make sure that that tournament's awesome. We will make it the biggest, fucking coolest event of all time. Then you will run against Abdul. You will win, then you will be regional director, and then we're done. Then we're done. Then we're all good. 2027 is the best year possible. You get to run two tournaments. You're probably a part of the Olympic sparring um program. We start having you run like Olympic sparring seminars for AAU where you also make money and stuff like that. It sucks because it just seems like I don't want you to think that I think of you this way. I I see value to you as an individual. I enjoy conversating with you. But in the retrospect, I it just comes off like you're just some object. Like some object that, oh hey, we can use them for this, this, this, this, and this, and this. And it just it it sucks. Because here's my thing. You can also just go do your own Olympic sparring seminars without any use bagging. That's fine too. I'm sure those will do just fine as well. But and you could just make it a little bit easier, you know? I I just I don't know. I I I I think I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07

I I guess I wish, I mean, obviously I gotta think about everything, but I guess I wish there was enough value being seen in me not to use me as a quote unquote, I mean not object, but like if you guys knew, and I'm talking to you, if you guys knew how deep the issue with USAT ran, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be such a simple trade-off. You would see the value in me and you would allow me to work within your organization and and and say, fuck Ryan and fuck uh and fuck this guy and fuck that other guy too. Because I mean I and I told you to Mirza, I said, Murza, there's no way that Ryan and Bobby can outdo me.

SPEAKER_05

There's no way. I go, there's no let them, let them, let them have those guys. Let's go to war and fuck and fuck USAP. Like I work better with a chip on my shoulder, anyways. I go, let me prove and there's like it's just better to have a mutual understanding at this time right now. And I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_07

But they're still I but they're still gonna get like them signing this and you guys signing, they're still gonna get those guys. And then I if you're and I'm being honest with you, you at that point you lose your sword. Like at this point, I'm a fucking sword. You realize that, right?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Like it's and I'm not giving myself any credit like a good thing. It's just I say what the fuck I want to say, I speak the fucking truth, and like you always agree. 99.9% of people agree with what I'm saying.

unknown

Yep, 100%, 100%.

SPEAKER_07

And they're the reason we're in the developmental situation that we have going on in America is because of them. If they want, it's it's not, and you you know when you say not use names and say bad things, listen, it's not, it's not Steve, it's not Steven, it's not Gareth, it's not Paul, it's not whoever it's uh uh Sherman, it's none of them, it's not their names, it's the fact that they accepted jobs that are supposed to provide opportunities and do things for the organization as a whole and not just for a room. Those are what those jobs mean. It's not my fault. It's not my fault. If they want if if Steve left tomorrow and someone else went in and they were doing the same exact shit, guess what? They would get the same thing. And I would stop talking. I it's not about Steve. He just happens to be the person who occupies that position. That's what it is, no?

SPEAKER_05

It's fine on, it's not on, but I do think that USAT won't break this MOU.

unknown

I don't think that they're gonna work with Ryan.

SPEAKER_05

I really don't think that's happening.

SPEAKER_07

Unless it's not no, I'm saying they're gonna work, let's say, let's say I say, nah, this is good, and blah, blah, blah, this is this, and you go get someone else. They're good, they you're gonna tell me they because I'm not there, there's somebody else that they're gonna, they're not, they're gonna work with those guys then. Or they're not gonna work with those guys. I'll tell you who it is.

SPEAKER_05

If you if you say, hey, I'm sticking with the podcast, I appreciate it, no, no hard feelings, it'll be Bernard Posey. That'll be the next person that gets offered the North Carolina spot.

SPEAKER_07

Right. My point is, I understand I think you told me that before. My my my point is uh again w like why does that what does that change?

SPEAKER_05

In my opinion, nothing. Like well uh well it's just it just changes the pockets. I can't help you make money, I can't help you run tournaments, I can't have you on the Olympic sparring staff, I can get and I have a close relationship with you than I do, Bernard, and don't get me wrong, I got nothing against Bernard, but I think you're better option and better fit for it all. But it's it's my it's it's not coming. This is some super gay shit that I'm I'm dealing with and hearing about. And then I feel bad because like I'm part of this in regards to blocking Ryan from working with USAT. And if that's really what he wants to do, then let him do it.

SPEAKER_07

But in return, I I need you to stop for a second. In return, you realize USAT is once again blocking me from working with the organization. Whether however it started is irrelevant. Whether it was this idea or this person's idea, in return, me saying, nah, I'm not gonna do this blocks me from working with an another organization. Correct.

unknown

Correct.

SPEAKER_07

That has nothing to do with that organization. That has no, that has nothing to do with I've done something wrong in AAU that I deserve to be punished, or I am being reprimanded for something. So I'm I pay my membership. I support the tournaments, I am respectful as much as I can at events, I accept team positions, I show up on time, I do my job, I leave.

SPEAKER_05

You're right. So you understand it though. Yes, this is USAT trying to either shut you up or block you from working with AAU. In return, they have the people that Mirza doesn't like not working with them. That that is that is as simple as it gets. You you so you understand what it's at is that, hey, they're gonna you're either off the podcast, and AAU is gonna put their arms around you, and you're gonna continue to do everything great with that as for that. Or you continue the podcast and both organizations are gonna turn on you.

SPEAKER_07

Not turn on you, but you you'll be I become completely blackballed, basically.

SPEAKER_05

Which is bullshit.

SPEAKER_07

In a nutshell, that's what we're saying.

Names, Power, And Petty Politics

SPEAKER_05

You can still be members, you can still be this, you can still have athletes on team and all that stuff like that, and do other things, but you won't ever be able to grow or make money through either organization. Which is bullshit. Mirza hates those guys that much to where he's willing to do this. Or is threatened by them that much.

SPEAKER_07

And my value just can't be my value.

SPEAKER_05

You're value values to me.

SPEAKER_07

No, I know, but I'm saying, like, again, I've tried to work with USAT within their system the way they want, how they want.

SPEAKER_04

It ain't gonna work with you, dude.

SPEAKER_07

I know. I'm aware. I've been called, you know, I've been called the enemy from my to my face. Steve, Steve, Steve McGonne has called me the enemy.

SPEAKER_05

But, and and this is my opinion. And I could be deadass wrong. I believe that there's a glimmer of hope that they could eventually start working with you if you if we build you up at AAU and all that stuff like that. You don't need any building up, but you get what I mean. Like we we have you here, we have you here. You've shown that you're not talking bad about the organization publicly. You're you're now doing this with AAU, you're doing some cool things. They might say, okay, let's get TJ involved. Because you know, you know that you know it's gonna be probably Clayton that this new person is.

SPEAKER_07

What's that some of the coaching thing?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I figured that.

SPEAKER_05

Which is wild.

SPEAKER_07

It's wild. It's the wildest thing I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_05

So here's my thing. TJ, this is between you and me. I got two girls, I got family. I'm not selling out, but my tournament makes me$100,000. I'm running, you know what I mean? My position at AU, I gotta, I gotta do what's best for me at 34 years old. I gotta I gotta do that. So that's my thing. So I would love for you to be that because that way I have somebody that I can talk to like this. I can't talk to Clinton like this. Me and Clinton are working relationship, but me and him aren't gonna be friends after this. We just work together, you know? And but he thinks highly of you as well. He does want this to go well with USAT, though. And Mirza and him are very close. And that's and they they take my opinion. And my opinion was fuck USAT, let's go to war. And we we gotta we got an army, let's double down. Let's double down, you know. Like instead of saying, okay, hey, Juan would just be like, I was like, hey, Juan would be like, all right, let's fucking go. He hates those guys too, and then we have everybody. And they but they would rather have peace right now. So my goal is to try and get it to where at least you can still be a part of all my plans and what I want to do and what I want to see the organization grow too. But I get it, man. It's it's gross. But here's how I feel. I don't I know it's integrity and all that stuff like that, and just doing the right thing, but we're not in a position to really change these minds of these people. But we definitely will never ever get to change their minds if we just aren't even involved in the conversations. Right now I'm involved, I get at least the same conversations. I got to see the MOU, I got to share it with you. I can do all that stuff like that. So this is shitty. This is like, hey, you want to run a tournament for AU, you want to work for AU, you want to do all this stuff like that, then you just gotta stop the podcast, which is bullshit. Because I know exactly how this feels because don't forget Toby Oliver and I had a podcast way before pretty much anybody else. And and it got shut down because Bobby uh and Ryan bitched about it because Toby started talking shit about AAU. So this conversation isn't new, man. People suck, man, but until we get our chance to be the ones that get to pull the shots, we gotta I just gotta figure out a way to get there.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I guess I was just under the impression the MOU was something, again, totally fucking different. Like, yeah, I I thought we were talking about like how we were working together and all the stuff like that. That literally just basically says, just so I'm like clear, I'm just like that shit says that USAT won't work with those guys. That's the MOU that's been signed. They won't work with those guys as long as nobody, as long as the AU doesn't work with anybody that talks bad about USAT, i.e. me, i.e. the podcast.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

That's what we're dealing with right now.

Ethics, Speech, And Double Standards

SPEAKER_05

We're 100% dealing with the fact that, well, here's the thing. If I wouldn't have said, hey, I want PJ as this, this, this, and this, there probably would have not even been in MOU. But the fact that I brought you up, because I said, they asked me when I said who are the main leaders of AAU, and I and I went down each department. And when Olympics barring came up, I brought your name up first, and then I brought up um district chairs and regional chairs, and hope that I brought your name up then. So then after I did discuss every leader that I felt was in AU, they brought you up, they brought Oilee up, they brought anyone, I'm not gonna trigger a company with you, anybody that was affiliated with Peak. So, and then I just said, look, Oy, Oy's gonna be fine, and I go, he doesn't even, he doesn't even say anything. He's too busy positive. I go, and then they I said, TJ, TJ, I mean, you guys supported him. He deserves to be a part of it. And I think what this main thing is, is this the tag on one? That's my personal view. Personal view. But my go, if you want TJ to be in leadership, then he has to stop the podcast. And I said, and and then Steve McNally was like a sure, like, he won't listen. He will not. I've tried conversations with him, I've talked to him, and he he's not going to put. And I just said, whoa, like, let me at least give him an opportunity to speak for himself. He's not even on this phone call. Because I even said, I can fucking call him right now, and he can get on this call. And then I got a text message from Clem, like, hey. So Yeah. So it's it's it's his book, man. But you know what's on the table. Whatever you want, I'll support. It won't change anything, won't change any relationship that you and I have.

SPEAKER_07

I understand, man. It's just it's just crazy because like I I know like that part about the you know the district and the regional, but this drains down into saying that anyone that talks bad about Logi can't be a part of the organization like when you come to leadership. We're talking about teams and any other selections based off this MOU.

SPEAKER_05

Correct. It's everything. It's in the same way with USAT. Like it's pretty much burying people that speak poorly publicly about anything. I don't know why we want to work on the USAT that bad, because I don't think we need to, but Merza and Clinton think it's a good idea. So I'm outvoted.

SPEAKER_07

All right, brother.

SPEAKER_05

Whatever you decide, talking over with your wife, explain the situations, and just I know your gut's gonna tell you one thing, your heart's gonna tell you another thing, your pocket's gonna tell you another thing, but I mean, five years from now, whatever you think this sucks because this is a decision that can affect those.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

You need to if you need to just keep talking with me about it and just talk to it until we weigh out the pros and cons. I I'm available later tonight, man.

SPEAKER_07

Sounds good, brother. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05

All right. Hang on back, please.

SPEAKER_03

Wow. So there's a lot to unpack there. Oh, can you guys hear me? Yeah. Okay, I hear a little back. I can hear myself. So what do you guys think?

SPEAKER_07

That was tough for me. That was tough for me. I'm like, like I said, this is I've never done anything like this in my life. But at some point you you get tired of again being told that you're the right person for the job, being told that you, you know, you do it for the right reasons, being told that this is simply just a ploy to make you be quiet. This is thing done by the same people that you've told people, and you've talked to the USOC about, and you've talked to um uh other organizations about these are the people and the reasons why. And you you you become the crazy person at some point. You become the one thing I don't like being called is a is a is a crybaby, you know. We didn't grow up as crybabies, you just figured it out, you fought through the system, you did what you had to do, but this system's rigged, this situation is rigged and it's been rigged for a long, long time.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I don't even know where to start. There's so much to unpack there. I mean, I I think I think the overwhelmingly thing that kind of stares out to me is that uh Alex believed uh that there was value in you, and so did Clinton because they talked to you and they wanted you, and after one meeting, uh it was like teach you got an ultimatum. Either you uh you you get off the podcast, but you've he even said something, if I'm not mistaken, I'll have to go back and listen to it. Anybody that talks badly, so even if you did the podcast and you just uh shut up if that if if that subject ever came up, and let's say Grandmaster Prinz and I were talking about it, you would still be guilty by association. Like that's crazy. That's crazy that you couldn't even do that.

SPEAKER_07

And and even even more so, like I said, I think when that originally was brought to my attention, I think you heard some I was a little confused for about 10 minutes of the first part because I wasn't sure what how it was all connected. But anyways, when um we started talking about the what was considered a leadership position, that was a little tough for me because we're talking about something that's offered to pretty much any coach who puts someone on the national team who who they have some kind of value or coaching background, and you know, all that stuff like that. And that's simply how those situations are um selected. You know, we did that, we did a podcast before the AU trials, and I remember talking to you about it. I was like, I I had three people on the national team at that time, and it could have been, I wasn't expecting a call, it could have been no call, some call, because I know they operate a little bit differently. But to say you're gonna you won't be allowed to even do that if you have any outside opinions of an organization that's not even theirs. I mean, uh man, like I said, there's a lot of people.

History Of USAT Tactics

SPEAKER_01

Well, USA USA Taekwondo has a long history of this, so let me share a little fact with everyone. Back in 1993, there was a World Championships in Madison Square Garden, and I found out as an executive board member that they were gonna raid the piggy bank for half a million dollars to support the local organizing committee. And I actually liked the guy, I won't mention his name, who was running the event under the direction of another person who was bad, and he forced the guy to put up all this money. And probably the guy had the money or didn't have the money, but it doesn't matter. He they tried to give him half a million dollars out of the USAT's money, out of our money, our sports money. I found out about it from the attorney. His name is Michael Turner, now, House of Representative Michael Turner, who back then clued me in on it, and now he's on once in a while on um face to nation, um, which is funny to hear him talk about ethics. He said, Listen, go to the bank, tell them you're an executive committee member, and ask them for the corporate authority that they had to do this, and tell them they don't have the corporate seal. So I called the bank and I say this, and so of course, these guys go to the bank, try to get the money, they can't get the money. I then became after being an Olympic champion um a few months earlier, and USA team coach and manager for the Madison Square Garden event where I have three athletes on the team. All of a sudden, they manufacture some nonsense and try to extricate me and and eradicate me as an athlete. They underwoefully underestimated who I was. I was taken into a room, I won't mention the name of the person, in the hotel across from Madison Square Garden, and the following words were or uttered. You uh control 20% of the uh athletes and the vote, but I control more than 70%. We should work together. And I said, I'm I'm gonna ethically do what's right. As a result of that, they tried to have me removed from the sport. I fought them and won. And it's been many years since that organization is gone. And um, with that said, they had to write me a very large check, reinstate me, and I currently am a lifetime member of the organization. But that's their general tactic. This is how they do business behind, and everything I said to you is a matter of record, course, and law. And the signed agreement was signed by an attorney in Ohio, actually, not uh from Michigan, Lloyd. Can't remember his last name, but he was Hua Chung's attorney and negotiated also with Michael Turner, who was a Dayton, then a Dayton attorney. But enough about me. So the organization is no stranger to this quote kind of subterfuge and bad politic and and behind the door dealing. With that said, let's get back to the audio.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I I think we could probably go minute by minute, you know, and and I I'm gonna I'm gonna go through a couple things that I saw early or heard early on. I wrote these notes as we were listening to that. Basically, like I said, AU wants, you know, you're part of the plans, TJ. You're part of the huge plans, um, until Steve says, you know, you gotta stop the podcast, you know. Um basic, I think he said this is basically about blocking people, specifically you. It's the most professional way to do this without saying your name.

SPEAKER_07

Um, the most professional way to not uh to say your name without saying it, basically.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, says, like, you know, doesn't believe in it, but maybe you catch a break and make some money, as if you're supposed to just forget about your ethics and what you believe is right and just make some money. Um, you know, you won't get any more invitations. He says, Yeah, I thought it's funny when he says he can't save Juan. Like, I don't know where I came up in this conversation. This is about what you're gonna do or what you're not gonna do, and then he can't save me.

SPEAKER_07

It's Murza's world, it's it's it's the fact that in his brain, the fact that in his brain he was saving me is wild, like or attempting to save me is the most wildest thing ever. It just, it just none of it makes any sense. And then, like I said, to throw your name in there, oh I can't save him, as if like again, if you listen, and I didn't hear it till this time, and I've listened to it a few times when he was like, You all can still be members. Now, I remember we're only talking about me. And when he said he's like, You all can still be members, like, and then what happens a few days after all this stuff, we get suspended, right? Yeah, yeah. You all can be members, so it's always about you, it was always about Peak, it was always about me. It was like it was it's been that way.

SPEAKER_02

But like that's what he said, like he said once again, this or you said once again this is USAT blocking me from something, so from a whole nother organization. Like it's crazy. He says, Oh, you know, you'll be blackballed, right? He said, You'll be blackballed, not blackballed because you'll still be able to have a member, you know, be a member. Um, I thought it was funny how he said if AAU could build you up, but he said, No, not build you up, but you know, you know, let you run some tournaments, do this. Maybe USAT will work with you. I'm like, oh, I guess AU is gonna rehabilitate your image for USAT.

SPEAKER_07

How about how about both organizations will turn on you? That's what I said.

SPEAKER_02

Uh what? As if one hasn't already. Um what do you say? Oh, if he didn't mention your name specifically, uh there probably would have been no MOU. It would have been just a kind of a shake hands, and and then he said, What do you say? Uh uh no, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. This applied to you, oi, uh I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. Anybody involved with Pete. Like again, what does that have to do with anything? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_07

Like it's just and he has to defend Coach Lee by saying he's not gonna say anything, he's too busy for this shit. Like, what yeah, or even like I don't know.

Collusion Claims And Fallout

SPEAKER_02

Even at the end when he's like, I'm gonna do something, and then he gets a text message and he gets shh by Clinton. Like it's just the collusion of the two groups. You know, and I in in some ways I feel bad for Alex because I think he was the messenger. But who is Alex? Who is Alex? Alex Governor, this is the guy who was on the phone. Oh, Alex Govert. Yes, but I feel bad for Alex because I think he's the messenger. And many times he said, you know, TJ, I show you value. I like you, I like Juan, blah blah blah, and I like him. But he's acting uh as the as the chairman of AAU. He was in the meeting. He was in the meeting, he was talking with Mersey, he was talking with Clinton. All this is his apparently talking with Steve firsthand, and now he's uh acting as the chair talking to you. So when he's saying all this stuff, you know it's it's uh it's legit. This is not speculation, right? There's no there's no speculation. I've got a lot of opinions that we've we've expressed on this podcast. This is from the horse's mouth. This is the Mirza not wanting someone to work with USAT, and USAT not wanting someone to work with AAU and them uh agreeing that this is the way it's gonna be done. Like Mirza doesn't know anything about USAT. I was at a meeting where he specifically said he wants to go to war with the NGBs. I was at a meeting with an entire table. He had no desire to do anything with NGBs. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01

He does understand that he can go to war with an NGB, but it's a losing proposition for him because he already lost, he was part of the karate group, Mirza, Theorious, uh whatever his name is out of whatever. The three of them were vying back in the day to become the national organization NGB for the organization, and they couldn't. And he was he actually didn't win that one, but um they were the most insular, corrupt, insular, corrupt, and self-killing group, and that's where they differed from Taekwondo. They couldn't put their hands together, the three of them, to make a fist, whereas Taekwondo got all the different people too. But yeah, he's he was uh clown.

SPEAKER_02

But my point is until uh Clinton sets up this meeting, or I don't know who somebody sets up this meeting. I'm assuming it's Clinton because it definitely wasn't Alex, according to Alex. So they get to this meeting, and right away it's a mechanism for uh people to collude, to collude to stop people from working.

SPEAKER_07

And he said that he said that's what the MOU is about. Like literally, that's what the MOU is for. That MOU was just for that very, very simple.

SPEAKER_02

It's just I mean and you know again, I I personally like you know Alex, but uh he he mentioned something and he was like he said, you know, if we're not inside, I can't make a change. He's like, I do get to see the MOU, I do get to have conversations. I'm like in my brain, I'm like, yeah, but they're not listening to you. You're you Alex is the person of AAU, he's an AOU person, he knows the culture, he knows the organization. Organization, and he's the one they're not listening to. Clinton doesn't, and Mirza doesn't. Not not Taekwondo specifically. He knows AAU, of course. He knows AAU. He's the president. But it's it's crazy. So you know, for me, I I feel bad because they're gonna, you know, I feel like he's the scapegoat, he's the one that has to come and bring bad news, he's the one that try has to try to rationalize it, but he's also the one choosing to stay there. You know, and and I feel badly for that, but at the end of the day, you know, this is this isn't about him, this is about you, TJ, and this is about me being suspended, this is about, you know, the organization, the two organizations colluding together to to block you. And that's unacceptable.

SPEAKER_07

Not just me, the fact that it's bought and they go, Oh, anyone associated with peak performs. That's crazy. That is that that's it's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02

But you know what? I've I've I've I've heard that whisper. I've heard people TJ, we talked about you. We talked about you going to coach somebody and some girl couldn't do it because of whatever. It's all the it's all the affiliation with Peak. I've heard it, heard it, heard it. But to hear the CE, the chair of an organization that went to a meeting and have it brought up, it couldn't be it was sweet words to my ears because I didn't have to I don't have to be like, yeah, I heard they said this. I have a lot of rumors that I've heard. They're just rumors. In Spanish, we say, Jesus me, it's like gossip. But this to hear from an acting president, if you will, of AAU Taekwondo blew my mind.

SPEAKER_07

AAU taekwondo, but yeah, but I know and where we started with them simply just trying to make sure Ryan doesn't get a job. Like it's that that's even like it's you're literally blocking people from doing the things they've been doing in the organizations. I personally because you have a difference.

SPEAKER_02

I personally believe now hearing all this, that was the motive to go there for Mr. Merza. Like he wanted to make sure that these guys didn't do it, and then and then all of a sudden USAT said, Oh, let's play this chip now. And he said, Fine. Like, Merza doesn't know you. You know, he doesn't know you. And to hear hear Clinton say, Oh, I or he thinks highly of you, and if we can bring up top stuff like that, until USAT tells him no again, and then he tells Alex no. Like I just again, there's a lot in here.

SPEAKER_07

I I'm gonna I stop a podcast three months later, I get suspended for something else. Three months later, I'm no longer invited on trips. Three months later, they got you know what I mean. Like it's they're they're silly if they think people play that kind of game. Yeah, there's nothing's nothing's a hundred percent guaranteed ever for forever in in anything, and you're gonna tell me stop the podcast, and there's a glimmer of hope you can work with USAT.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, my guy.

SPEAKER_07

Like, what?

Integrity Versus Access

SPEAKER_01

It's uh it's just uh it's it's yeah, I thought it was interesting that there was, you know, in the super sensitive world of um getting canceled and stuff, the super, and I even hesitate to mention it, right? The super gay thing, the the comment by the the chairman of whatever his name is, a taekwondo. And um, you know, uh I don't know this guy. He I think he met me when I was like uh running around doing my Olympic uh shake hands thing. And uh with that said, you know, I mean I just thought that how do you how are you the chairman of anything in this organization? And then you use that kind of language that which has gotten people, by the way, similar people in a different world, you know, canceled, thrown out of stuff, and now you're representing our world, right? And that language is just and that presentation, besides all the other stuff he said, is just unacceptable. And how do you hold this particular guy accountable, right? I mean, I I'm sh I'm I'm shocked. But then again, you know, I'm not shocked because I see some of the other organizations. You have a coach that slaps athletes, you have another same coach gives the middle finger on a Facebook post, and there's no consequence. So why wouldn't this guy feel it's actually it's actually laughed at?

SPEAKER_06

They think it's funny. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, you know, it is funny. What a double standard. I guess it is. I guess it is funny. Yeah, we're private private citizens doing this podcast, and you have you lose your listen, you lose you lose your private, private standing. I had a person that worked for me and I liked her a lot, and I hired her because I liked her. And she was doing something, and then she said to me the following words That's my private time. I can do what I want. I said, at the moment when you take a job with me, you don't have private time anymore.

SPEAKER_02

But the but you're you're a representative of me. Maybe that's true, but we maybe that's true.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, what's true? What you just said, but we're not she don't have any private time. You don't when you work for somebody or you represent an amateur sports organization, but we don't work.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just saying for us, we don't work for them, we don't work for them. You know, the head coach works for them, and if the head coach can you know puts be at a a world-class tournament on behalf of the organization and and make some obscene gestures, yeah, and it's okay. That's this is my point. Like it's just the the hypocrisy of it and the double standard.

SPEAKER_07

But you have the but again, and I keep repeating, you got the athlete's advocate online talking about his erection and how it's connected to Jesus and what it's talking like, blood in my erection. Like, what's the case? Don't even get me started. Don't even get me started. Well, this is the kid. This is the guy again. I repeat, this is the guy's supposed to be protecting the kids, right? I got a picture of the kids, right?

SPEAKER_01

I got a picture sent to me today that something says anything about as long as they're as long as they listen to his uh his diatribe. I mean, this is it goes back to what I told you before. This is an organization of non-performers that don't care. You know, I mean, let's be clear. This I you can love or hate anybody in this organization that I'm not telling you how to feel about them, but you know, uh, what does religion or or politics have to do with amateur sport? Nothing. And what should it have to do with amateur sport? I repeat, nothing. I don't ask you what your politics are. I don't care what your I don't care what your politics are. They're your politics on the other side of it. Don't tell me about your politics because refer to rule number one. That's not why we're here. We're here to be athletes, we're here to be better than we could have been if we hadn't been able to do taekwondo. So anyway, I'm just shocked at that. Forget about we haven't even gotten to talk about the other stuff, which is what is he saying? Just to be clear, what is he saying?

SPEAKER_07

Just to be clear, just to be clear. This MOU, this this thing was written just to block people, just to block people, man. Just to block people. If he wouldn't have said that this was someone he wanted to work with, the MOU might not exist. Yeah, and these are two organizations, and they and it's it's unfortunate because like I like I said, I told him on the phone, I think AU has tremendous, tremendous ability to grow in things that can be done. And it was all and it was kind of like that. I'm I you know I I I switched over, started doing more AU stuff because it was a a good place to go and a good place to bring the kids, and we did get more matches and we did get more a better experience, and it didn't feel like the deck had to be stacked against you. Maybe that's because it wasn't a chase for the Olympic Games or a national or an official national team. Maybe that was a standard of it, but like that's why it is what it was, and now it's just it's just the same. It's people sitting around deciding that they they they make all the rules and what can advance them is what they'll do.

Legal Notes And Next Steps

SPEAKER_02

But that's I mean, listen, that's uh and and Alex knows that too. He he he feel he felt that too. Like he said, he goes, I don't think we should be working. I I think he believes we should be, like I keep saying, rolling the boats in the same direction, but he doesn't think we should be working for them or taking cue for them or anything like that because he saw and he knows all the potential within AU, like you do. I think it's a little more pure, right? Because you're doing it because you you really want to see growth and and and uh ability to develop. And it's it's there's there's there's a lot of positive things there. And all of a sudden, real quick, it just got according to this conversation, it got steered in a different direction. He no longer he says, I got outvoted. So it's clear where where Clinton, you know, is Mr. Murza seems to take the cues from Clinton. So here we go. You know, Alex with all the information doesn't get listened to, unfortunately. And you know, if he yeah, if he thinks he's gonna if he thinks he's gonna if he thinks he's gonna be able to change something, he he's in there right now and he's not being able to change anything. What's gonna happen in the future?

SPEAKER_07

It's gonna be a good thing. I hate that that term when everyone's like, oh, you know, you gotta be on the inside to make a change. You can't go stand, you can't go stand next to the wrong people. That's why all these people telling me to call Steve and he might be open to you know talking about me working there. You think I'm gonna go stand next to these? I know they're not good people, I know they're wrong. I know, I know this is the type of stuff that's been going on. You want me just to sit back and be quiet and just kind of just you know take whatever they give me, right? And just just be just as bad as them and just keep just jumping a boat and just be all good with it. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01

That's not that's not how yes sir, master.

SPEAKER_02

You know what, TJ? You know He must have watched Django. You mentioned you mentioned you mentioned that he's gonna take care of himself and his family, and you know, he's 34 years old. I get it, I get it, I get it. But so do you, and so do I. You know, at the end of the day, I mean, if it's fair for him to take care of himself himself, then it's fair for you and me to take care of ourselves. So, I mean, I you could say you care about us, you can say you like us, you can say whatever, but not enough to say I'm jumping off ship. TJ, I would I would be willing to bet a lot if they came to you and said right now, TJ, we're gonna we want you to pay you X amount of dollars to be a national team coach. You would say no, because I don't believe in X, Y, and Z. It's impossible. It's impossible. There's no number that they can throw out until it gets all cleaned up, and then they say, you know what, we like it, help it rebuild or whatever. Maybe then. But while they're there, absolutely not. You couldn't pay me because you're gonna pay me anything. Anything. Stephen Elliott can come right now to me and say, why not give you a million dollars to go do this? I swear I I don't go.

SPEAKER_07

And people forget we you've had and I have had my personal interactions with them. This is not some made-up fairy tale stuff. Like I I got I I told someone the other day, I got some the best advice. I was told to try to figure out how to work with them. I put whatever you thought aside and try to help an organization grow. And that's what I try to do. And I just got pushed it aside the whole time over and over and over again. And there was always a reason. There was always a reason. So to say, now I'm gonna put my dupes down and like just go along with the show just to say I can be a part of the team, I can wear a USA shirt. I've stopped wearing USA. Only like USA stuff I wear is Olympic stuff because that's the one thing I can hold to be true. All the rest of that stuff, you'll never catch me wearing that. That that stimulus used to mean something to a nation, to a group of people that really thought that they were gonna go out and be the best in the world. Now, there's no way you catch me wearing a stop sign on my chest because that's literally what it is, and this is what this has to do. It has to stop.

Final Word And Sign Off

SPEAKER_01

So today, when I got home, you know, after hours of travel and I had this guy sleeping on my shoulder and drooling on me, and you know, I'm trying to be my Buddhist best and let him go. And, you know, I had to change my flight because it got delayed, and I'm on this last leg from New York to here after surviving the Portugal fight, and um, and booked my ticket, so I was in my wife's jokes because she doesn't think I know how to fly in the cheap seats, and she's right. So I'm sitting there and I'm doing all my patience. And when the guy finally kind of leans over on me, and after he's gotten up three times for no reason, before the flight even starts, because he wants to throw a water bottle to his wife or his kids who are all stuck in middle flights because he was too stupid to book the flight in advance. Um I kind of look at the guy and I finally have had enough, and I don't want to yell or anything. So I just kind of nudge him over into his seat because, you know, I want to enjoy my seven-hour flight too, right? And I realize that usually my tact is to be very public about it and speak it out loud, and I don't necessarily always need to, but you need to keep people in their place. And with this said, what you find yourself is in a conundrum, and it's it's um Game of Thrones, you know, dragon, whatever. At the end of the day, are you gonna bend the knee? And if you're not gonna bend a knee, then you you can see what can happen to you. I've been proud to say that in my entire life, and I will tell you this just privately. I have envelopes put in my pocket with money that I've returned. I've had um people take me into a room and and cause I was in a bathroom with John Holloway. Uh afterwards, I told him about him. We went to find the guy who intimated to me uh a Korean guy, a young Korean guy from Washington, who thought he was a tough guy and then didn't realize that he had met a tough, really tough guy. Um, and then I've been in other rooms where I've been offered jobs by an Olympic president, Olympic committee president, three jobs. I won't mention his names, to try to get me to acquiesce. And by the way, that list only goes on. That's just I'm just telling you the small list. Throughout my entire life, I haven't taken the envelopes, I haven't bent a knee, and I definitely haven't bent over a table. Now that may explain to some of you why you don't see me in the place where I bent a knee, a see a particular CEO that I'm looking at now, or a CEO. I haven't bent over a table and take those same two people and put them into that place. But I do have one thing that they don't have. I have character, peace of mind, and the respect of my son and my wife and my daughter and my family, because they know that's not my nature. In this little small pisshole of a city that I live in, I had local residents with the with the with the uh mentality of gnats try to to act, try to get me to bend the knee because they didn't like the fact that I didn't put them on a committee or that. And they lied about me and they did all this stuff. I was mayor, city council member. And when they asked me to bend over the table, I said, good luck. And I still didn't. And they said, Oh, it'll ruin this, it'll ruin that, it'll affect your business, it'll affect your life. And they lied, and I I'm like, you know, I get to go through life being me, and you can live with your lies, or I get to be them. And so the good news is I get to be me. With that said, you know, all I can offer you as solace for the both of you is next week we'll get into the details of the AAU and all its malfeasance, it's illegal action, and then hopefully they drag in the AA, the USAT, so we can finally get a swipe at those two morons. But Steve McNally's interview, and yes, I mentioned him by name because I'm not that kind of coward. Um, and I do have to say, when Steve does something good, I ask him, they have a policy where one of my coaches couldn't get in. I called him, I said, Steve, you missed a deadline. Can you help? So, yes, Steve, thank you for helping me in that situation and doing what you should do for the better of the organization, or in particular the better of my kids who wanted to compete. You did it. And I will always be appreciative, and I owe you that favor. On the other side, I owe you a second favor to tell the truth, and Jay Warwick as well. So hopefully next week we can get into that particular interview, the PR piece, as I call it, the propaganda, the interview by the Seth Rogan of our generation, and talk about what we have.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Don't you? I mean, I said at the beginning, you know, step this hopefully this will connect the dots, you know. And there was again, I said there was a propaganda piece, you know, saying that they didn't, you know, weren't involved in anything, you know, and apparently that's not true, according to this conversation.

SPEAKER_01

So that's well, there's no doubt there's gonna there's gonna be fallout. No, no, no, there's gonna be fallout. There's going to be fallout. And unfortunately, the fallout is gonna fall two ways. Let me predict what's gonna happen. Alex cannot say it wasn't him, it was him. TJ wasn't talking to himself, and it's not AI. The fallout will be this Merza will throw Alex under a bus along with Clinton O. So Clinton can get back to whatever he's doing, whatever that's whatever, whatever it is he does in the real world. And then Alex can go back to making the the piss money that he makes,$100,000 for a tournament, which by the way, he takes from you guys. Hopefully, none of you are transgender or gay, because you know how he feels about that. And now he'll find himself canceled or not canceled, which will speak volumes about the organization that we have in front of us. But for anyone to threaten a coach of an Olympic caliber, who do you think you are that you can threaten, cajole, or bully an Olympian? What clown show do you come from that you think an Olympian can be threatened, cajoled, or bullied, you ass clown? We can't be bullied. You you haven't stepped up into the deepest arena, fought the deepest in our field. You haven't, if you've never stood behind or in front of someone with a coach behind you that didn't know what he was doing, and then an athlete in front of you that was better or good or as good as you, and challenge yourself to win, then sit down, shut up, and learn from people that have. That's what I have to say to you. And and and by the way, um, yeah, I I guess you know me because you took a picture with me. Well, I guess that means I know George Bush because I took a picture with him. Anyway, enough said. Yeah. And by the way, NISU, not my party of choice, but uh what a gentleman and his wife, and he took a picture with the back of my head and the front of my head because I had the Olympic rings shaved in them. And you know why I could have the Olympic rings shaved in them? Because I went to the Olympics. That's how you get the Olympic rings. So the only place that you might see an Olympic ring on any of the people that we've mentioned in here is tattooed on their butt because that's the only place it should be.

SPEAKER_02

We uh wrap this up. It's been a long one. I mean, it's a lot to digest, like we said.

SPEAKER_01

We got a lot, we're gonna we'll get back to our other thing. With that said, we're gonna have a live follow-up to this. Now that you have the information, let me say it to protect my brothers. In the law of the United States, as long as you're a party to a conversation, you have the right to record it. And this and in North Carolina, that's the fact. In California, it's the case. So the recording was not in Florida, but the recording was performed and taken in North Carolina, and the person that was a party to it was on the phone with it and has the right to disseminate that information. So good luck with that. Number two, the individual in the phone call was Alex Covert, who is the chairman of Taekwondo. Is that it? Was it what he's the chairman of?

SPEAKER_03

AU Taekwondo, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

AAU Taekwondo. Um, number three, just so it said, AAU hating on the NGBs. I'm not gonna say anything about that, but that's like your little sister hating on you because you're smarter, bigger, and stronger. AAU wanted to be the NGB, then it should have been the NGB. Instead, it chose to be the redheaded stepcousin of it, and good luck with that. This has been the warehouse 15. Those are the disclaimers. And let me finish with as you know, since I had a Kara Kara super super sowa, if we've offended you, refended you, unfriended you, done anything to you other than something you would want, sorry, not sorry. And we are out.