Navigating Music Ministry: Insights from Anaji & Kaci Powell

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Join us on the Worship Keys YouTube channel as Carson welcomes husband-and-wife duo Anaji and Kaci Powell from Faith Church in Rochester, New York. In this episode, they share their journey in music and ministry, from how they met to serving God together through worship. Kaci talks about her experience as a female organist in a male-dominated field, while Anaji gives insight into the role of a Music Director and leading with sensitivity to the Holy Spirit. They also discuss the balance between planned setlists and spontaneous worship, and share practical advice for musicians who want to grow in both skill and spirit. Don’t miss their love story, their passion for ministry, and the wisdom they bring to worship. Don’t miss out—watch the latest episode and share with a friend who loves worship!

Anaji Powell

Kaci Edlin Powell

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Welcome to the Worship Keys YouTube channel. My name is Carson Bruce, so glad you're here. We talk all things music theory, gear, industry and ministry for your worship keys playing. If this episode is beneficial for you or you have any questions as you continue to watch, feel free to comment below and I'd love to hear any feedback that you have along the way. So let's get into today's episode. I am all the way in Rochester, New York with kaci and anaji Powell. Yes. Welcome guys. Thank you for having us. Thank you. We are excited to be a part of the Worship Keys podcast. This is crazy. And we're in y'all's church right here. Yep. Tell us Faith Church, Rochester, New York. Yeah. Uh, many of you guys love, uh, Najee and kaci too. Yes. Both from the content world. Yes, guys. They are a power duo. Y'all are married couple. You have been married for a year and a half now. Yep. Yep. February, 2024. Amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. And y'all were born and raised here in Rochester. Yep. Born and raised. No, nothing else. No, no need Rochester. We were both born and raised. Totally, totally. So I, I first saw one of your reels and nae about. Two years ago. Yeah. I So a year and something like that? I think so, yeah. And, uh, I was like, man, and I just like love your content, you know? And, if you're watching on YouTube, I'm sitting behind your whole rig and we're gonna show that in, in, uh, I don't know if today's episode or next week episode, but we're gonna, we're gonna show your rig and you're gonna talk about all that you're using and everything like that. All the practicalities, some theory stuff. Definitely some empty things. Yes. But at this moment, I just wanna know y'all's heart, your why, your story. Not just in music, but just who you are. Who you are in Christ, who you are to each other. Um, your hopes, your visions, your dreams, for the church, God, family, everything. I mean, people see your content. They love you playing. They love the licks. You do. They love the stuff on the organ. kaci kaci's on the organ, by the way. Ji's typically on the keys killing or keytar. Yeah. I mean, either one Depend on how I'm feeling. Yep. But they crazy. Just absolutely killing it. And many of you know them and love them. But, let's just back up like how, how'd y'all meet and tell me, tell me a little bit of the love story. Let's see, how'd y'all meet? Okay. There's two sides to this story. Story. There's two sides of the story. Okay. One is correct and one is kaci's side. I know. So go kaci. What? No, go. Okay. Um, so we met, we both went to the private Christian school that we have here at Faith Church, destiny Christian School. And, um, we were like 11, 12. Um, no, I was 11. He was 12. He was on the soccer team and I just thought that he was so funny. Um, he played piano for our chapels and there was one day right before a soccer game. This is horrible. Oh no. Um, and we kind of interacted and he was like, hi, my name is anaji. I'm 12. You know, when you're young you just introduce yourself to your age. Right, right. That's the age is probably a thing that you just say sometimes. Like 12 and a half. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. 12 and one quarter. Yes, yes. He's like, hi, I am anaji. I'm 12. And I panicked 'cause I was 11, but I was gonna be 12 later that year. And so I didn't, you know, if you're one year apart, that's like a big age gap when you're younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And tell I'm like, hi, I am kaci. I'm 12 too. So our relationship started off with the line. She lied to me. I was definitely 11 years old for the record off July. I was definitely 11 years old. But I wanted to seem cool to him because I thought that he was funny. He played soccer, he was. At 12. He was an amazing piano player, in my opinion. Um, that was before I started really playing anything. And so I was just admiring him from afar. Um, but then later on we started just becoming good friends. I joined band eventually playing guitar, and we became great friends. And then it kind of turned into love somehow. You know, we went to three proms together. Um, he told me he was interested first, but I knew she liked me first. So don't she liked to say this? Like I was the one that No, she liked me first. Uh oh. And I was the only one bold enough to say something. Well, you had to. Yeah. You had to. I wanted to just have a crush on him. Yeah. Nope. And I didn't want, like the crush, I wanted a relationship. It's like, we're not doing this. He, but you really pursued me. I did. I, it was like, I love you. I did. And then I was just like, hold on. This is a lot right now. Yeah. Like 15, 16 talking about somebody, I love you. I'm gonna marry, I'm gonna marry you. Like I, that legit, what I told her would how people was gonna marry me. Well, I'm glad to, it wasn't at the 12. Yeah. Yeah. 12-year-old. No, it was not at 12. No, we were a little bit older. Was in high school, like Right. Going into high school. Okay. And then we like, weren't allowed to date, but we kind of dated ish with our parents knowing in a way. Yeah. Yeah. And then I went to college. We broke up for a long period of time, maybe like two and a half years or so. I came home, um, was out of another relationship that I was in and we started talking again, and then I married her. We are, yeah, there you go. I got the ring on the finger said that, he said, let's do it. Let's do it. I'm not wasting any time. Let's go. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Was that correct? Yeah. I mean, yeah. She, she did a good job. Okay. It was, that was a, that was a good part of the story. And Naji approved. Yeah. There you go. It was good. It was good. There you go. But yeah, a lot of it started in like band class and centered around music. Very much so. Yeah, it's music and soccer and yeah. Music being soccer 12 versus 11. Yes. And yep. Lies. Start off with a lie. It lies. I'm just kidding. It just lies. Is she, I don't know how old she's now. Like, I don't know if she's telling me the truth or not. I'm delivered now. Okay. Are you guys both on staff at the church? Yes. Tell us about this church. 'cause a lot of people don't know. I, I hardly know anything about like, the whole state of New York. Really? Yeah. Which is, I'm, I'm from the south of course know, New York City, Niagara Falls, that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. But Rochester, tell us a little bit about the community here. You're born and raised. Um, talk about the church, talk about your roles here at the church, what y'all do day in and day out. So, uh, here at the church, I am the music and production director. Awesome. Uh, we also get the privilege of being chaplains at the school. Mm-hmm. Okay. Awesome. So the same school we came up through and graduated from, I love that we now turn around and are chaplain the kids that sat in the same seat that we sit in. So That's so cool. Exciting. And also just like deja vu. Oh, totally. I know you're not paying attention 'cause I didn't pay attention, so like I know what's going on. But yeah, so that's, and obviously all the other little hats that you wear at church, it's like. And the fine print, small fine print and whatever else we need. Right, period. Taking out the blue carpet, putting in the new modern stuff, getting in the drum cage, right? Yes. Totally. Totally. Yes. Everything. So yeah, I get the privilege of being the music and production director here. Yep. Wonderful. I do a lot of like admin work. Um, so I am also like the pastoral assistant, I guess that's like my title, executive pastor, assistant. So a bunch of little tasks, some database management, things like that. I also run our social media now. Um, so I'm doing that creative work, um, which is fun, still learning how to do it. Um, and then music, obviously I play on Sundays. I play on Monday nights for our prayer services. Um, and then the youth group, we're actually both youth leaders. Yep. Youth leaders. So we have a youth group here and we've been involved with that. We were in the youth group. Now we are a part of leading the youth group. Yeah. Um, and then also the school, the chaplain and things like that. And whatever else, you know, we need to be involved in. We're very much, um, involved in a lot of different things, but we love it. Yeah. You know, it's all good. That's awesome. It's for, for the kingdom, all for Jesus. That's awesome. I saw a clip on your Instagram case of you speaking. It seems like you, yeah. You love to speak. You have that calling in your life to really speak. Is that a part of what you do and what God's called you to do as well? Absolutely. I love, um, preaching. I love teaching. I also, one of the things I do is I teach our membership course here. Um, so I do a little bit of that every single month. Um, but I do love preaching and Aji preaches as well. He's fantastic. Yes, sir. Okay. He's fantastic. I see too. I see too, too many clips of you playing keys. I need to see, speak, need. We're gonna get some preaching clips up on there. I thought about it. I was like, ah, maybe, maybe not. Yeah, we both do that and I, I love that. Oh yeah. I love preaching and teaching the word of God. It's one of like my biggest passions. Yeah. I'm not biased or anything, but it's one of my favorite speakers right here, so. Oh, come on, you not biased. You. Oh, that's so sweet. But yeah, I mean, that's basically what we do, right? Yeah. Amazing. Okay, so we're filming right now in, um, what is this room? Is this like, what do y'all call this room? It's our upper conference room is what we call it. This is a conference room. Okay. We have staff meetings in here, staff meetings in here. Literally had staff meeting like four hours ago, right? Mm-hmm. In this, oh goodness. Well, important things happen right here. Yes. Important decisions. Decisions are made in this room. Yep. So we're not in the sanctuary, but a lot of the clips that we see. Of you guys view on the keys. Um, y'all are up on stage just being renovated. It's, I think it's done by now, by the time this episode comes out. Yeah. Yeah. Um, congratulations on the renovations. Thank you. Uh, long time coming. Amazing. Mm-hmm. It's great to, to renovate every now and then update some things, a whole drum cage and whatnot. Yeah. Was that new? The drum, cage new or no? Uh, well we had that, we got that a year ago. A year? Yeah. Almost a year ago. Okay. Okay. But it's the first time it's been empty since we got it, so, yeah. Okay. Okay. And you know, we've had some organ specific episodes here on the podcast. Guys, we've had a lot of great organists on the episode, and if we could, I would totally love to hear kaci just wail it on that Yes. Can be three. Oh Lord, yes. But it is in the, in, in the, in sanctuary and everything. It's not available. Everyth, you know, it's not available, but hey, if we did though, guys, we'd, we'd love to fire it up, but unfortunately we, we cannot, right? Yep. But I do wanna know y'all's journey on learning the piano. First and foremost, how you came to love it. Apparently an najee. You've been playing like crazy fire Good. Since you were 12 and I believe it. I Oh yeah. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say fire Good. I would say that I would say I was playing fire more like I was lighting the keys on fire because I sucked so bad. No way. No way. Like it wasn't that good. Tell us a little bit of your, your musical journey and, and what led y'all to, I mean, we have a lot of people listening in who are church keys players, some of them more on the pro level, some of them just getting started, uh, just weekend, you know, serving at their churches and doing, doing a great job at it. But, um, would love to just know y'all's heart of how'd y'all learn the piano? Was it more about ear, was it traditional? How old were you guys? Both of y'all Two. Organ, organ and piano. I mean, yeah. All right. Well, I guess, um, I'm 25 now. I've been playing for about 22, 23 years. Awesome. So, like all of my life. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I started off like a lot of my family plays, sings, and. Does all that. Yes. So I started off just like banging on the keyboard. Right, right, right. And after a while my dad got tired of hearing me just bang on the keyboard and he was like, you're going to lessons. So I took private lessons. Uh, I read sheet music. I know how to read a little bit now. That's awesome. Just a little bit. Um, but, and I've been playing in church literally for long as I can remember. That's awesome. I've just been serving and playing in different churches. I love that. So yeah. Love it, man. That's amazing. Yeah. I guess for me it's very different. Um, I actually, I've always loved music, but I started playing guitar actually first. So I would play acoustic and, you know, electric, I would play in my youth group. I loved guitar. Um, but. My heart really did love organ all my life. I grew up, you know, listening to my dad play. Uh, and he's an amazing organist. Um, very much that old time, like Pentecostal type of vibe. And we would have services here at church that he would play for every now and then. And I would just, you know, sit behind him sometimes and watch him and just he flowing in the anointing. And I was just so enthralled by that. And it, it was always in my heart, but I never acted on it. I never quite wanted to learn it, um mm-hmm. Or keyboard. But then later on I started just kind of noodling around because I loved, um, the music that I grew up on, which was very much what my dad loved, which was like Fred Hammond, Donnie McClurkin, Joe Pace. He would have those blasting in the car, just indoctrinating us with this music. Like, this is what you like and it's what I love. Absolutely. Just like. Uh, it was the music that I grew up on and that's what I wanted to learn. Mm-hmm. So I, I started learning certain songs on keyboard. The first song I ever learned on the piano was, I Call You Faithful by Donnie McClurkin. I Call You Holy Your Name. Yeah. I'm not gonna sing it. But, um, as she start singing it, sorry. But I would watch these YouTube YouTube videos. Yeah. Specifically, literally that, that song, I learned how to play that in E-Flat. That's the first song I ever learned how to play on the keyboard. Yeah. And it was like a seat up video on, on YouTube. I think it was Piano Clubhouse. And I learned that and I just fell in love with learning music. I cannot read sheet music for the, for anything in my life. Um, I know the difference between a treble clef and a bass cleft, but I have no idea anything other than that. Somewhat sorry to my music teacher, Mr. Sealy. He taught us both. Yes. But I barely retained any of it. It was very much by ear, which. How my dad plays. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and just learning on YouTube. I would just watch video after video. That was when I was like 15, 16, so I learned a lot later. That was maybe, so that was like eight, nine years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then organ, I would go into the church 'cause that's where we have our hand ham and B three and I would just sit there and learn organ as well. So I was kind of trying to learn both at the same time. Yeah. Um, I know that it's not, I never learned the traditional way, so my fingering is probably all wrong. Um, but we call it the church fingering. Yep. It just, I, I just learned whatever, whatever makes it happen happen. Like That's right. Hey, it sounds good. It's good. Yeah. That's it. I don't care. Your fingers aren't put placed in a certain way and Oh yeah. You know. No, we don't, we don't care about that. Just make the chord sound good. That's right. We're good. That's very much what it was for me. And then I got thrown into playing in services. 'cause we didn't have an organist around 2017. And that's very, that's where I learned, 'cause I was thrown into it and I was playing with musicians that were just. Eons better than me. Like insanely better than me. Shout out to Melvin, um, who was the music director at the time who played the Keys and he taught me so much. Um, playing with our drummer, he taught me so much. Um, so playing with them and just being thrown into it and being so stressed. 'cause I felt like I was not where I was supposed to be, but that's where I really grew the most was being thrown into playing on Sunday mornings. Come on now. Essentially you got thrown right into the fire and just like, you gotta learn. Yep. That's good. Y'all take that tip. I mean, you just need to be thrown in sometimes to learn. Yeah. Learn how to get, get in that. That's awesome. Yeah. Um, now, and the organ's completely different than the piano. Completely different. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's definitely different. Um, give us your best tip real quick for learning. I know you said you just jumped in Yeah. For learn, and that might be the best tip. But for when you're going from the piano to the organ, um, of course you grew up on this music and you grew up senior dad and, and, uh, it's just kind of ingrained in you, but what's your best tip for someone who is great on the keyboard? Doesn't know the organ. Do you, do you so well, do you use the foot pedals? Do you use Absolute, the Leslie, do you use everything? Absolutely. You, I mean, obviously use Absolutely. And I absolutely, and I learned a lot also from anaji 'cause he's a fire organist. Come like, come on anaji. That's how, actually y'all, that's how I fell in love with him. 'cause when he would be playing the organ for our chapel services at school, I was like, oh my gosh, he's so good. And I just love the organ. But I also loved him. It wasn't just because of organ. Right? Right. It was both. It was just because the organ. But don't let it confuse you. He inspired a lot of my playing as well. Um, but going from keys, uh, to organ, 'cause I was learning both at the same time. Mm-hmm. But trying to maintain the difference and the difference of the sound could be difficult at times and still sometimes is for me. Um, but just. Hearing, uh, how other organists played helped me. So watching YouTube videos and constantly, um, trying to, uh, know the difference of how to, how chords work on organ, very much sliding movements and stuff like that, which in keys, it's sometimes is, but it's very much like you're picking up a little bit more than you are on organ. Right. Um, and then learning foot pedals, sometimes I'm still jacking it up. Sometimes it's hard. Um, but you just gotta, you just gotta go for it. Learn certain songs that ha is heavy in organ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, learn, you know, talk music and stuff like that, that helps you understand the flow of how organ is versus how you'd play that on the keyboard. But you just have to listen to a lot of music. Yeah. A lot of it is just, you're, you listening. Yeah. Right. And figuring out, like, I know what every drawbar does on the organ, but could I tell you if you're like, alright, what do that do? Uh, I, I don't know. I don't remember like the third or the fourth or the fifth, but I know what I'm sitting down and playing. I know what I need to add. I know what I need to take away. Yes. So it's also like realizing that fact of like you're just experimenting basically. Yeah. Oh yeah. Totally. Totally. 'cause draw bars were a whole learning curve for me as well. Mm-hmm. Because I learned on my keyboard at home and I didn't have, I would just turn on the little organ setting, but it didn't sound anything like, you know, a Hamed organ. Right. Um, and then I'd go to church and just fiddle with the draw Barss, and I think that's how I figured it out. Um, and then again, listening to people trying to mimic their sound on YouTube. I would pause the video sometimes and zoom into the Draw Barss to try to see Yeah. What's their setting. And I would screenshot it Yes. And just try to replicate those things. But it really came from just the feel of it. Yeah. Just sitting down with it and taking time with it and letting that just soak into you basically, if that makes sense. I love it. I love it. Okay. Yeah, we do have five episodes on the Mond B three Organ Guys. Nice. So if you're interested in learning the organ, check those out. Yep. Yeah, definitely, definitely check 'em out. I mean, there's, the first one is a 20 minute episode on just the intro of the organ, and it just talks, it just literally, Kurt Bu is going through every draw bar, kinda given a full run through of what everything does, the difference why we have two key beds, all these things. Um, just a full run through. And then the, the second episode is five things that every church, uh, m Mb three organist should know. Nice. And in the last three, um, feature, uh, Ralph Lofton, Virgil Stratford, and Dewan Hill, just given their best advice on the organ, which is awesome. Nice. Yeah. But question to, to you, kaci. So a lot of times, um, you do see. Guys on the organ, and a lot of times it's in the Black Gospel churches. How do you feel being a woman and being a white girl on the organ? I have to ask you. You know, I have to ask. Yeah. Everybody asks. I mean, everyone ask. It's like everyone does. I know. I, I don't wanna have to ask this. You're probably tired of like, you know, even the question, I don't know. No, but I gotta, we gotta know. 'cause it's, I mean, come on. People. People, yes. How do you feel, how do you feel That's such a, that's such a funny question because I, I didn't really understand at first why, like, when an NA's videos were first coming out, why, you know, there would be so many comments like, who is this Samantha, Susan, whatever. I'm like, y'all on the organ there have a name? Name. But I understand that it's very much taboo and it very much is like not seen a lot. Mm-hmm. Um, sometimes in like Europe. And it's crazy. I see some girls that look like me killing and I'm, but you don't see it as much in America, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Uh, I didn't really know it was a thing because this is, this church is where I grew up and the demographic is not a lot. There's some white people here. Um, sorry, not a lot. This is just a very candid, only a few, the only white people here are the senior pastors family, so, well, well, and the music that I was listening to, you know, just wasn't necessarily done by white people. I don't know how to answer this question without sounding so weird right now, but yeah, I mean, I just learned, and my dad, you know, he's. I'm white. And uh, that's how I think, that's how genetics work, sweetheart. You have to, you're gonna have to chop this one up because I dunno how to answer that. I think that's how, that's just gonna be a clip on Instagram. I mean, my dad's white. I'm white. That's it. Um, end, end. I definitely, you know what though? You know what, then, now that I'm thinking about it, 'cause I, I was not prepared for that question. Um. Um, sorry, I did not prep y'all at all. I literally just showed up. I literally just, we, Holly and I hopped off the plane. We came here and we pressed record, and then here we are now. Yeah. Yeah. Here we are. Yeah. You know what? Whatever comes to our head, it's just gonna fly out at this point. Yeah. At first, I mean, I went to college out in Ohio and that's where I really started, uh, growing as well in music. Mm-hmm. And I had a few different experiences out there where it kind of, uh, woke me up to the fact that in the music community, it just wasn't a thing to see a lot of, you know, white girls playing the Hammond organ in a church setting. Um, and I had a few times where I would show up somewhere or I would go to play somewhere and they'd look at me like, do not sit down and do not start playing the organ. And I'm just like, come on man. Like, I, how play, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And, and. I had some guys out there who just would not take me serious at all. Oh no. And it was frustrating. Um, but it just kind of sobered me up to the reality of, you know what? I need to learn. I need to get good. I'm still trying, you know, to, to grow in my craft. I'm not a najee in any type of way, and I'm not kaci, but I'm still trying to grow. Um, but that experience out there really woke me up to, alright, people just think I can't play the moment I sit down. So I need to make sure that I'm knowing my stuff because I already have that kind of, uh, going against me, but also working for me. 'cause people, some people think it's, it's cool and it's different because yes, I don't look like I'm playing now. I look like I'm gonna go to some church and sit down and play the guitar and sing like, you know, a little indie singer or something. And that's just not, that's just not what happens. But I'm okay with that. It's just growing up here, nobody looked at it any type of way. 'cause they knew my dad and he played and stuff like that. Um, but if I go anywhere in Rochester, if they don't know me, I still get that like, you're about to play and this is your set list. No, you're not about to play. Um, but no, I've gained some respect here. Some people know me, um, obviously through an Aji as well, but it's definitely, people look at you for a second, like, do not sit down on that organ. Do not turn it on. Yeah. You do not know what you're about to do. Oh, man. Um, but yeah, I kind of love that for you though, that you're, that people have that a little bit of perspective and then you just show up and just start wailing, you know, somewhat. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the worship keys community that's been following, I mean, obviously we love seeing you play the organ. Like everyone loves it. Oh, thanks. And we just think it's just the coolest thing. Um. And then it's like, if we ever see videos with like Justin Najee and, and, and we like, we don't see the organ, it's like, okay, is kaci still there too? Playing the organ. Like, where's kaci get so many questions. Sometimes I take a break y'all. That's like, my wife is sick today. I'm sorry that she's not here. They're so funny. Those comments are crazy sometimes. But it's funny. We love it. I love it. Package deal though. I mean, you guys are great, incredibly gifted individually, but I did have to ask you about how that made you feel going in being a little Yeah. You know, it's just, it's just what it is, unfortunately. But, um, but it is, it is funny 'cause yeah, it just wouldn't be, it wouldn't be the, it wouldn't be the standard, you know? It wouldn't be what people are expecting. And I love that you totally break that open. That's so funny. And break looses. Yeah. I love that. Oh, you that the theme of the gospel. Like, come on now. Jesus wasn't what everybody expected. Woo. He was a baby. Yeah. Like this. See the king? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I, I don't wanna preach. Come on to Naji. Come on. No, we, we need the organ right now. Yeah. Where the organ, turn it on. Turn it on. No, but I do, I do give credit to the people that created gospel music and the, the artists that I listened to and that whole community and that type of church sound that I, you know, took from and learned from. Yes. Um, and just that. Old time, you know, Pentecostal organ that I grew up listening to, and all the people that brought that into the church community that I, I wouldn't have learned if it wasn't for them and the music that I listened to and the people that created that sound. Um, so I just have to give credit where it's due. I love it. Yeah. So you mentioned some artists too, that's artists and bands that you've listened to growing up. Yeah. And that your dad like, was like, listen to these people. Yes. Uh, do you like the Clark sisters? Do you listen to them? I love the Clark Sisters. Yeah, absolutely. Pe My nickname in college was Twine. Twine. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But I love Twine, so that's, love it. That's actually a major compliment, but it's, that's, yeah. I love Clark Sisters for some reason. Yeah. Twine was coming to mind when I was just thinking of Yeah. Female organist. Female organist. Like she's, you know, the woman shout out to her. She's amazing. She's watching incredible. She watching this Twinky. She's, she's an icon. Come on. We love that. Yeah, totally. Uh, so talk a little bit about the culture of this church and. Really, uh, there's no way to just have one episode with you guys. I mean, we're gonna have multiple episodes. Um, we're just hanging out right now. We're just vibing. Totally. But talk about the culture of this church, because that's gonna lead eventually into some MD stuff with you and Najee. Um, and eventually, guys, we are gonna get an nae on the keyboard playing. kaci, I wanna hear you play too. Uh, we wanna get some MD tips, all the things, but to give us a backstory of this, to set us up really nicely to understand what you're talking about with MD world and the way that you're playing and almost the gospel vibes, what's the culture of the church? What's your band like? How big is the church here? Um, how modern, how traditional, give us the full rundown guys. Uh, where do I begin? Um, the church is very much diverse. Like kaci was saying, there's not a lot of white people that go here. Um, but there are some, but there are some, like our senior pastor and his wife and their daughter, and then their. And then there's son and some other people. We love you. And then yeah, a few others sprinkled around. But it's like, it's definitely you can tell the demographic when you walk in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, so that plays a big factor into why our House sounds the way it does and why our music sounds the way it does. Another key factor obviously is leadership. Any church you go to Yep. Whatever the worship is, it must resemble what the, for lack of a better word, what the pastor likes. Yeah. Right, right, right. Because he's the shepherd of the house. Totally. So if it's not bending to what he or she is doing or liked to hear, then I feel like at Per, as an MD, you missed your mark. For sure. I don't care if the set was a plus, if you did all slow songs and you know, the pastor liked fast songs, you missed the mark. Like, it just, it's honest. And I've been in that situation, right, right. Where I'm like, oh, the set was great. And I'll walk up stage and the pastor be like, Hey, lemme talk to you for a minute. I don't really like that song. And that song didn't really go over with this one. And then, and then I'm like. Oh, then I'm all discouraged, but I'm just like, no, look, I'm here to serve. Right, right. Music directing is not as much as calling chords. It's more about serving, come on. It's putting your will aside to serve the bigger mission and the bigger calling of the house. So that's my main job and focus as MD here. It's, I'm trying to cultivate more and more and dig up more and more the house's sound and what, and what that sounds like. Yeah. No, totally. And also to your point of, you know, what the pastor and the leadership, you know, what they're, um, looking for in a sense, but also they're submitted under God and they're trying to go where the spirit's going in the service, so Oh yeah. You're trying to do that as well. And so ultimately, you know, the leadership and the shepherd of the house is going to know, all right, we need to go this direction, in that direction. And so, and you gotta be, you gotta be flexible and you gotta be attentive Yeah. To know when that's happening. When I'm MD spirit ears open. Yeah. When I'm m ding, I am. Not only looking at the worship leader, not only looking at my band, I'm looking at the pastor. Yep. And whoever leading the service in that moment. But I'm also looking at the congregation and their response. Yeah. Yeah. If they're not with it, like I'm not saying we are driving off of the response of the congregation. 'cause sometimes they can, the congregation can stare at you and you're like giving it your all nigga's like, yeah, we're not winning it today. We don't want to. And then that's when you, that's when you pull out the key guitar man. Yeah. Yeah. I run across stage and then everybody gets hyped. But no, like I, I try and multitask and look at all the different factors and weigh in on it. And obviously channeling that through the Holy Spirit that lives inside me. Yeah. Yeah. Like, alright, God, I'm listening. Where do you want me to go? What do you want to do in this moment? Right. So that's a, that's a huge factor. Totally. Are y'all full band? Full band. So. As of right now. Well, whenever this episode ends or airs, I'm assuming we'll be back in the sanctuary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but we have a drummer, a bass player, a guitar player, kaci's on organ. We have an alt keys player, and then there's me Awesome man that there's stacked like six of Yeah. We're stacked over here as of now. It wasn't like this five years ago. Yeah. It like when I got here. Yeah. But the Lord sent people in and got people plugged into the right places and we're, and I feel like we're at a good spot as a band. That's awesome. And as a music department, we're at a great spot. That's great. Does it feel different when it's the pastor and also like your father-in-law? Oh, we're gonna need a whole episode. Okay. 3, 4, 5. We got another, we got another episode for that one, because that's Mo, that's la I'm, I'm not even joking with you cars and kaci knows this. Yeah, that's, it's so layered. Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, that's her dad. So she's able to navigate it a little bit differently than me, but she doesn't. And no shade to her, but she doesn't sit, sit in the seat that I sit in Uhhuh as a musical director too. Like I got a different weight and responsibility. Not only am I have to follow the pastor, but not many music directors leave church and then go over to their pastor's house to have dinner that same day when church flopped. Like not many people have to have that happen. It it's, no, no, it's, oh my Lord. It's a dynamic. Oh, no. But I will say having my in-laws as my pastors, as my senior leaders, although it's been some challenge in some areas overall, it's one of the healthier relationships between myself and my senior leadership. That's awesome. Because we can connect more, excuse me, on a personal level. Yeah. Because obviously I'm married to their daughter. I'm their son-in-law, so they love me and they want to see me thrive and win. Yeah. Unlike maybe other people who may be in a certain position where it's like, I'm just a MD and the pastor hates me and he can fire me at any moment. Like he could. My pastor could fire me, her dad could fire me at any moment if he chose to, but there will be repercussions. No, I'm joking. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. We love him because he listens to the Holy Spirit. But yeah, that's the main, in every decision that's important with every Leader Shepherd, because like you said, it is multi-layered. He is my father-in-law. So even for me, I have to pray and be like, all right, Lord, how do I need to approach this situation? Am I approaching to it as a son-in-law and I'm just hurt? Yeah. Or am I pro from a staff member perspective, like, alright, like, no, he's my boss too. So like I'm, there's different lanes that we have to operate in and we try to delineate that as best as we can. Obviously with the Holy Spirit's help. Absolutely, man. I love that. I, yeah, that would be difficult. Would be difficult Yes. For anyone's situation, but yeah, I know. You're, you're, you're killing it, man. Uh, talk more about the culture, the worship culture. Is it more planned, strategic, uh, to the tee? Is it more spontaneous, flowing? How's it, how's it flow for y'all on a Sunday? So, it's funny, um, I, before I got on staff here, I've always like been in and out in a part of the church at some point. But before I got on staff here, I got in another church and it would literally sets plan to the tee time. When the timer's red and it hits zero, you're done to a certain extent. Mm-hmm. There was some leniency there, but it was that, and it was like, yeah, we plan our set months out in advance. Like, and I was fine with it 'cause I never had that structure. Right. Right. Then coming here it's like, yeah, you may have a set come Sunday morning or the set may appear on planning center on Sunday mornings, like. All right. We're gonna do this song. Or even in the moment, there are many times in the moment where our worshiper look over at me and mouth the song. Right. And it's like, all right, we're going to this song now. Yeah. So very much spontaneous, what's the word? Spontaneity. Spontaneous. Spontaneous, spontaneous, spontaneity. All the words, all the, all the spas, all the spawn words. But spawning at Facebook, they're, they spawn in different songs every time. Um, but it's, we, we do both Uhhuh and I think. Yep. I think a lot of churches get into that debate on like, planned sets or spontaneous, why can't it be and Right, right, right. Why can't it be planned sets and spontaneity? Right, right, right. Like we, the Holy Spirit's not constricted on your time. Like he's not limited to the time that you've given him. Mm-hmm. But even if you do have a time, I believe he could still move through that. Amen. Yeah. So it's. You don't even put, don't put God in the box because you're like, well if we don't do it this way, then he won't show up. And God's like, I don't really think so. Right. That's not how I work. Right. And my way and scripture says it, his ways are above our ways. His thoughts are above our thoughts. Right, right. So don't put 'em in a box 'cause you don't know what he's thinking. Yeah. 'cause your mind's not him. Like you're not him. Totally man. As long as the pastor and MD are both sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit, then even if you do have a planned set list, or you're doing it spontaneously, but God is a God of order. Yeah. So craziness and just being lazy and being negligent about things I don't believe is of God. Um, that's what I believe. But also at the same point, you know, listening to the Holy Spirit, well probably fine. Yeah. I think it's at the edge. Yeah. Technical is falling down. Sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. No, yeah. But listening to the Holy Spirit, um, is just key in whatever moment. Even if you have a plan set list or even if you are a church that does things spontaneously, everything is just spirit led. You know what I mean? We're kind of in the middle. I think our church in our culture is very much in the middle and our church sound has changed over time. I mean, this church has been around for 90 years, so it started literally in 1935. Crazy. We're celebrating our 90th year this year. Congrat and the Way, thank you. Yeah, it's awesome. It's fun. The way that it's changed through the years is crazy and a lot of that, um, was in like. The nineties very much when that heart, like the gospel sound was really coming out into churches in some, in some rights it was already there before, please do not get me wrong. Um, but into our church. It was coming into our church. My dad was over the music and he was bringing in that sound that he loved. And um, like even the older Andre Crouch stuff and things like that. Yes. But it's developed over time and now it's, it is what it is today in 2025 and I love it. Yeah. But it's changed a lot. Yeah. It's changed a whole lot over the years. One of my past guests said we prepare so that we can pivot. Yep. And I love that. I was like, you prep so that you can pivot when you need to. Yeah. Obviously gotta have the order, gotta have a plan in place of some sort. Yep. Um, and you guys still use all the technology, still use tracks and Oh yeah. Click and all this stuff. And you're able to move with that because you have a good MD here, nae, uh, you have great musicians following your lead. You. Have great software. You have touch OSC and Ableton. You have this Nord stage four right here. Great. Yes, gear. Love the nod. Love the Nord. Nord, if you're watching I, you can just send me a Nord if you would like. Send him a Nord. Thank you. Um, appreciate it. So for those who are watching that want to get more into the spontaneous, what's your advice, um, for someone like that or a church culture that liked that? And you already kind of answered it, it kind of starts with the pastor, right? Yep. His vision Start from the top down. Top down. Speak more into that. How, how can they incorporate if the pastor's wanting to mm-hmm. And the worship pastor's trying to navigate, how do we go there? Right. What's your best advice for them? A phrase that pops into my head every single time is, you cannot take the congregation somewhere where you have never been. Right? Right. So if you're trying to do one Sunday, you wanna be like, I wanna be spontaneous. And you're just singing the same chorus over and over and over and over, over. And you're calling that spontaneous. Now I'm not saying that that's not, maybe the Holy Spirit is telling you to do that, but you have to find that in your own private worship time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the Lord. Start with the song. Start singing a song. And if you can play, play the song. And then as you're in it, just start worshiping the Lord. Yeah. Just not anything scripted, but out of the goodness of God and the grace that he's shown. You worship him out of that. Amen. And as you stretch that muscle, the Lord will begin to speak and impress upon your heart what to do. Many times I'm doing that. I went during while playing. I'm like, Lord, I need the sound from heaven. I need you to tell me what chord to play. That's awesome. And he would be like, all right, go here. Go here, do this, do that. Here's the song that you need to play next. Like it's so, it's an ebb and flow. It's a dance with the Lord. But you gotta be willing to do that first thing. Yes. You gotta be willing to take the step. It's good, man. Totally. No, I agree with that. I mean, you, you said almost all of it. Just being sensitive to the Holy Spirit is like the number one thing in any church service. And um, like we were talking about, I believe, you know, God is a God of order. Having something planned is wonderful, but if he disrupts that in the moment and he says, y'all need to go a whole different direction. You need to take out the whole last three songs of, of your set list and just sing this one song, you know, he could do that. You just don't know how God is going to move. Mm. You just don't know. Yeah. And if you're sensitive to the Holy Spirit, he could have you do something if you're so uncomfortable. And you need that. I have to stick to the set. I'm not doing anything else. I don't care what the Holy Spirit says. That's a dangerous, dangerous place to be in. Yes. Yes. Because this whole service is to bring people into the presence of God. You're creating that atmosphere of worship by the Holy Spirit moving through you. It's not, it's not his keys playing. It's not my organ playing. You know what I mean? We're just, the vessels forgot to move for breakthroughs to happen in that room. And if your ears, your spiritual ears aren't open to what the Holy Spirit's trying to say, maybe you missed a breakthrough in somebody's life. Maybe somebody didn't get saved because you truly, we like, I don't care what the Holy Spirit's trying to say, I just wanna play what I wanna play. That's, don't get to that place, man. Don't get to that place. Wow. That's dangerous. That's good stuff, guys. But yeah, I love that. I love those thoughts. What has been the most challenging thing, uh, in ministry for you guys so far? I know many people who are a little older than us can speak. To the longevity of being in ministry. Mm-hmm. For 30, 40 years or so, whatever it may be, a few decades. Uh, your parents, kaci, who've been pastors, uh, your dad's been pastor of this church for a while. He can have a lot to say in this question, but for you guys right now in the music world and music ministry, uh, youth ministry, what has been the most challenging thing for you guys in ministry so far? Um, I think you said it with, uh, us being the age that we're at, we're we constantly find ourselves in position where we're leading people that come much older than us. Okay. Okay. So it's always a prayer of our to be like, all right, Lord, how do I not be fake, but like, be the authentic me, but let people see like what I have to offer in like a serious way. Like, and not be like, ah, he's young. He don't know what he talking about. Like, no, like the Lord can speak to anybody. Yeah, he's a donkey. He used a raven, like he can use anybody. Come on if you're available. Yeah. So that's been one of the things that I've been learning in this season. Like, alright, Lord, how do I navigate the fact that I'm younger than most majority of the people that I'm gonna be either leaning or speaking to. Mm-hmm. I know you can use me, just help my heart navigate that. Right. But yeah, I think that's, that's one of many things, right. But the first thing that comes to my mind. Okay. Okay. I hear you. Yeah, that's mine as well. Definitely. Um, but luckily our church is, um, relatively like accepting of that. Our demographic is like you got from old all the way to very young. And so luckily the people that are, um, older in our church. I saw, you know, my dad and other leaders at our church, um, grow up from being twenties in ministry up to, you know, now they're fifties, sixties. And so a lot of the really older ones are actually very accepting of us. Right. Which is amazing. But another hard thing I think for me personally is just, um, being sensitive to when seasons are over in certain areas of ministry. Balancing, wanting to do everything for God, kinda like the Mary Martha situation in a way. Mm-hmm. Wanting to do a lot for God. And so just doing absolutely everything with also forsaking what he's trying to speak to you to do in that moment. If it's to step outta something else and to step into something different. Um, and that's, that's a difficult balance. 'cause you wanna fill holes, you wanna be able to do what's needed at the time because we love the kingdom of God. We wanna see, we wanna advance the kingdom of God. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so not just doing anything and everything. And not taking every single opportunity, because you know what they say, you know, a good opportunity is not always a God opportunity or whatever they say. Right? Right. And so just being sensitive to God in every situation. Right. Um, on when seasons are up and when you need to shift and change and schedules change and, um, things look different, but that's okay. Um, I think that's one of the hardest things it's been for me in ministry, I think. Wow. Yeah. That's good. Good to hear. Good to hear. And I bet that is a struggle, you know, leading older people, um, and connecting in that way. Uh, but God's called y'all to lead and Patel here for a reason for this. Amen. Um, so that's cool. Good, good to hear from that. Um, from you on those things. A few things, um, we definitely want to have next week episode. Uh, we wanna feature you anaji. Teaching us more of what you use, a full rundown. Um, and actually, kaci, do you, would you like to play for us on this episode? I can. I would love to try my best. I would love to hear you play. Um, and, and also guys, for y'all being sticking around on this conversation, I hope this has been beneficial just to get like, just slow things down. I mean, so many times we could see those 32nd clips on Instagram. Yeah. 62nd clips. And, uh, or maybe you're, you're a part of an NA's Patreon channel. Yes. Is that what it's called? Channel a Patreon channel, yeah, Patreon channel. Which by the way, y'all need to join it if, if you want, if you need good MD tips, good keys tips. Um, you need to join your Patreon. Te tell us a little bit about your Patreon, by the way. So it's, I post a lot of, like more behind the scenes exclusive content there. Cool. So like, I post like our rehearsal, like our band rehearsals and stuff like that, like, and it's all very much unedited. So like you get to see the rawness of what happens, the conversation that may be going on in a moment like. I tried to leave it very much open. Keep keeping all the explicits and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Just kidding. No, I rebuke that in Jesus name. No, we don't do that. We don't do that here. We don't do that here. No, no, no. We don't do that here. But no, I keep it like just unedited for many reasons. Number one, it just like many people don't see though all the work and all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes. Right, right. Or even like what the band may be talking about or how we come up with different ideas. Like Absolutely. You see the 45 seconds of a good shout clip on Instagram, but you don't see the work put in Yeah. Before that. So it just like, here is more for you to learn and then I, I post, if I'm feeling like they get encouragement that I need to post or something like that, I'll post it. There just random stuff that comes into my mind. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Well. For y'all watching on YouTube or listening on podcast. If you are on YouTube, feel free to comment. We are real humans that will see the comments. Yes, we'd love to connect. Yeah. Uh, if you have a question for them, definitely comment on YouTube here or reach out on Instagram, the worship keys. I'll forward it over to Nae or just DM and on Instagram or kaci on Instagram. Yeah. Uh, they're all there. kaci Powell and Naji Powell. They live here in Rochester, New York is where we are recording. Uh, again, and just so thankfully y'all took the time to, let me come in y'all's little conference room here. Have a conversation. I know there's so much to get to and so little time. I mean, everyone's so busy, with everything in life. But thank y'all for taking the time to share your heart for ministry, um, your heart for God. I mean, we weren't able to get as deep as into certain things, but we were. With your gear next week, anaji, so stick around for that next week. Yeah. One last question for y'all though. What's your best advice to the Worship Keys community as, as a whole? I'd say regarding first the music side of things, um, is to just keep being a student, uh, keep listening to music. For me personally, I know I got to a place where, my growth plateaued and I'm still trying to get out of that. You know, you get to a certain point where you're just good enough to play in church and then you just kind of stop there. You know what I mean? And so for me personally, just constantly try to grow in your music, constantly try to learn new things, and. Work hard at trying to get inspiration somehow, because that's what's gonna keep you going, obviously the Lord as well for church musicians. But just find that inspiration, find the music that just drives you to wanna learn what it's about and to learn, um, more chords and more even genres of music and that type of sense. But then number one advice is to, in a service and when you're practicing or anywhere you are, is to listening to the Holy Spirit and where he's telling you to go in those moments. Letting him even just guide your fingers on what you're playing and letting the sound of worship just come out of you by being a vessel. Mm-hmm. Um, that's. I'd say my number one thing, and that's the way to get through. There's some things that I have played in some services that I've been like, man, I wish I could replicate that, but I don't even remember or know what I played. Because in the moment, I was just so like, holy Spirit, take control. What do you wanna do? What do you wanna do through me? Just let my fingers do whatever you need me to do in that moment. And I'm just looking back at it and people are like, wow, that's amazing. What'd you do? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm sorry. Right, right. But yeah, number one thing is just listening to the Holy Spirit in those moments. Even if you're playing for a funeral, even if you know you're playing for a small Monday night prayer, that's what we have. Or a night prayer service. You know what I mean? Especially a prayer service, dear Lord. Mm-hmm. Or a Sunday morning. You know what I mean? So just constantly just integrating Holy Spirit, what do you want me to do? Right. If that makes sense. That's good. That's great. Yeah. That's me. I love it. I think one thing I have is don't be afraid to ask for help. Hmm. Yeah. As MDs, we feel the pressure to like hold everything and hold it tightly. Mm-hmm. Because we're the md, we gotta know everything. We gotta lead the band, we gotta lead everything. There are times, and kaci can attest to it, there are many times over the top back, like, I'm like, Hey, how did this song go? Hey, how did, what's the court that goes here? Or I forgot I had a brain fart. Like, what, what he does? Yeah. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Hmm. Like, that's the quickest way to be humble, in my opinion. Love that. Because as MD you can get a little prideful. Get a little cocky. For sure. I'm the md I make the decision. I I got the mic, da da, da. Like, right. But he's not about that. Right. It's about seeing Jesus glorified in your service. So good. And if that means you need to die to yourself and be like, honestly, I don't know what to play in this moment. Hey, can you play? Mm-hmm. I've done that. Wow. Hey, I, I got to, I, my mind's not there. I need you to carry this moment. I need you to MD this moment or whatever. I love that. And our bandage at the caliber of where I can do that. Right, right, right. So that's the blessing, collaboration, right? Yeah. Collaboration is key. Mm-hmm. And they wanna know, you know, that you care about them. Yeah. You respect their opinion. Right. I mean, a hundred percent. That's good advice, man. I love that. Yeah. From both of y'all, if I could say one thing to the women, go for it. That are musicians. Yes. If you don't mind, is to not let intimidation take you out of your musicianship. Mm-hmm. And to discourage you. When I tell you there have been so many moments in my music, um, you know, just experience where I've grown so discouraged and so embarrassed because something went wrong in a service and I'm playing ni almost a hundred percent of the time. I'm playing with all men, you know what I mean? Um, which has been wonderful. But I've grown intimidated and embarrassed and feel like people are looking at me like she can't play, you know, because she's a woman or, or so on and so forth. And don't let that intimidation take you out of learning and make you feel like you just wanna give up. There have been so many times where I've just, just wanted to give up. There have been so many times where I've just. Stopped after a service and cried and been like, I'm never gonna play ever again. I can't count on my, all of my fingers how many times I've been like, I never wanna play ever again. I'm so embarrassed. Everybody thinks I'm just this little white girl who can't play organ and is just up there for no reason. Because her daddy's the pastor of the church, and I'm like, man, getting out of your head. Yeah. It's so hard. Yeah. As a man as well. Yeah. But definitely for women. Get outta your head. Keep pushing. Keep getting inspired by the music that you love and by the Holy Spirit, don't let things intimidate you. Even if you get a nasty comment from somebody or from a man who's like, what the heck are you here for? You don't know what you're doing. Don't let that discourage you. Keep pushing, keep learning, keep listening. But I just need to say, come on to my women. I need to say that. I love you. Come on. Do you have any, do you have anything else you need to release? No, that's That's it from me. That's it from me. I mean, we need to take a moment. That's it. That was good. That's it. That's it. That was good. Amen. Thank you, Lord. Thank you Holy Spirit. We need that. We need that segment at the first five minutes of this podcast. That's amazing. No, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, you're welcome. That's so good. Speaking of that, getting outta your head and just going for it, would you like to just come play something? Anything you'd, I mean, I I, none of this was prepared. It's just Yeah. We're, we're all keys players. Sure. We love music and, you love gospel music and you talked about some of the music that influenced who you are and kind of still influences who you are. So why don't you play a Twine Clark organ? So, no, I'm just kidding. Oh Lord. I'm just kidding. Jesus. I'm just kidding. Don't try to emulate that. I'm gonna do that, although I'm sure you could. God, I wish. I wish. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure. If you're ready. I mean, let's just you come over here and take it away. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, I mean, primarily I'd say at our church, we play in a lot of the black keys. We play in a lot of c e-flat, a flat, so those are definitely the keys that I began, you know, learning things in. I mean, I said in the interview that the first song I learned how to play was I Call You Faithful by Donnie McClurkin. So I was sitting in my house, just going and, and then I would try to play that in like. Every single key. I'm not gonna do that right now. And then I would also do like, how great is our God? And I would just go and move up in all sorts of different keys. I'd modulate a million times because I was trying to learn all my different types of keys. I was trying to learn the number system, things like that. But my dad, his inspiration on me was very much like church chords, lots of sevens and things like that. Very much the old time Pentecostal sound, you know. Stuff like that. I mean, that's how I learned how to play because that's the music that I love. Um, and that's a lot of the music that we play here, like lots of Fred Hammond, so like, stuff like that very much in the Black Keys. But I love also, you know, the White Keys. I try to learn in all 12 keys. I don't transpose. You can't transpose on the organ. Um, and if you do, that's okay. Just keep learning. We love that one. Um, I love worship as well, slower stuff. Um, one of my favorite songs, it's a really random Richard Smallwood song that I learned from my dad from a play that we did years ago. Um, I think it's called Holy Spirit and some people know it as fall down. It's called, um, I can Remember It. That was better. Whatever you did. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely hard without bass pedals. I'd say in churchier moments when you have like all the draw bars up, you're just ready to. You know, rip. Maybe the pastor is just crazy. Yeah. Maybe I will need to change back to the, this Nord organ is not hitting the way that I thought. I'm sorry, nord don't send, nor don't send a naji nor anymore send. Um, I'd say for organ, a lot of it is, um, just like sliding movements. A lot of it is just making sure that all your chords are talking. I know I'm on the keys right now, I'm on piano right now, but making sure that all of your chords are like cohesive in a way, especially for like slower stuff. So what I learned a lot of was, I dunno what they're called, help me drop something. What are these called? Like when you're just dropping all over the place? Is that what it is? I, I thought so. So I would do this in every key to just kind of practice on organ where passing chords would go. Is just so things like that. A lot of drop 2's a lot of chords that talk to each other. I mean, that's just how I play. A lot of guys play different, maybe more crazier. I air probably more on the safer side, probably more than I should, according to my husband. But um, yeah, I'd say just making sure your chords are translating to each other. Well, in organ, because you have no sustained pedal, your hands are sustaining the chords as long as you want them to. So if you have no sustained pedal with the keyboard, it's kind of like similar to what it is. With organ, like here, I have to make sure that you can't tell the difference, but well, you can, but on organ, you have to be ready because it's very different than keys in that sort of light. You don't have the sustained pedal or the string patch to like get you through a worship moment. You have to be very intentional about you're playing and how it's coinciding. You know what I mean? Guys, thank y'all so much for being a part of the Worship Keys podcast episode today with anaji Powell. Kaci Powell, married keys duo in Rochester, New York. Um, thank y'all for being on today. Thank you guys so, so much, so much. Carson, for you to even travel all the way out here Yeah. To Rochester. Yes. Thank you. Us Of course. I