Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
Sibling Showdowns and Bloodline Betrayals
Can Kevin Owens' transformation back to his ruthless prizefighter persona shake up the WWE landscape? Join us on the latest episode of Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk as we dissect the electrifying card for the upcoming Crown Jewel event, including a showdown between Gunther and Cody Rhodes. Predictions fly as we debate, could a betrayal be on the horizon between Jade Cargill and Bianca Belair? We cover the potential outcomes of Liv Morgan versus Nia Jax, and the looming threat of Tiffany's cash-in adds even more tension. Don't miss our theory about The Rock's strategic maneuvers within the Bloodline, as we speculate on Solo Sikoa's rise and the possibility of a new alliance.
welcome to the benny bash podcast tag team talks I'm ben I'm bash. It's time to lace up your boots and hit the mat with the benny bash podcast tag team talk all right, with another one.
Speaker 2:we are going to be doing our predictions for crown jewel, which comes on tomorrow, which is Saturday. It comes on, I think, 1 o'clock, is it 1 pm?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm pretty sure, yeah. 1 pm.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we're doing this one before SmackDown, so we're not sure what's going to happen on SmackDown, so we're just going by what's already been booked, what's already been talked about, the matches we know, that's confirmed and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:So let's get to it. So for the first match, it's Gunther versus Cody Rose and basically what is a Survivor Series match, but it's on Crown Jewel. That is basically the whole gist of Crown Jewel, I guess. Now yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't really like that, because what are you going to do for Survivor Series? You got the two men champion and two women champion wrestling each other. What are you going to do for Survivor Series? You got the two men champion and two women champion wrestling each other. What are you going to do for Survivor Series?
Speaker 1:They don't do that anymore, remember.
Speaker 2:I know, but that's what I'm saying. I mean, that was the whole premise of Survivor Series was to put the champ versus the champs, yeah, and then the war games match and all that. But yeah, go ahead, finish your talk.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but that Gunther is the World Heavyweight Championship I mean not championship champion and Cody Rose is the SmackDown Undisputed Champion and for this match I know it's going to be a really good match but I just don't like the crown jewel card together when I like card but like I just don't like how it's just basically stealing survivor series things. But this match is pretty much gonna be a good match and so, but I think gunther is gonna win because I'm pretty sure kevin owens is to get Wait, yeah, kevin Owens is going to get involved and Do you know?
Speaker 2:he has a match already.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess it depends on what order that match comes in, if it's before the Kevin Owens-Randy Orton match or afterwards, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he could still come afterwards, yeah, but he got.
Speaker 2:Randy Orton to come out and stop him from interfering in the match.
Speaker 1:What if he beats Randy Orton?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. If he's out in the match, then it doesn't matter. That's what I'm saying. I don't know when they're going to put that match on. They could open a show. It could be close to the main event, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So for Guthers versus Cody Rose, I think Guthers is going to win, but yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:This is a horror, because I mean nobody loses their belt if they lose. So, cody, there's not. I mean nobody loses. There's two champions seeing who the best is. So even if one of them was to lose, they don't lose their belts. So they're still the world champion of the day. But I mean they're going to be over for the crown jewel championship, whatever they call it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, cool. I mean you're the best champ of the best too, but at the end of the day, you're still going to have your belt. So, with that being said, just because you, I want to go with Gunther, but because our predictions like that, I'm going to go with Cody. I'm going to say Cody's going to win because Kev Jones is not going to interfere in the match.
Speaker 1:And one thing I'm going to say on this match How's Gunther going to call Cody a secondary champion when he beat Roman Reigns like one of the longest reigning champion in the modern era? I mean even if Gunther wins, he's still the secondary champion.
Speaker 2:Because, in Gunther's eyes, he thinks that he's a better champion than Cody, which makes Cody a secondary champion.
Speaker 1:He's a better wrestler, but that doesn't make him a secondary champion. He thinks he's a better champion than Cody, which makes Cody a secondary champ. He's a better wrestler, but that doesn't make him a secondary champion.
Speaker 2:He thinks he's a better wrestler, champion, all-around person than Cody Rose is. So if he thinks all that, of course he's going to say that Cody Rose is a secondary champ to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean just the same way Roman Reigns. He didn't say it, but when Roman Reigns was the champ for what? Four years, whatever it was, everybody who had the Raw Championship was the secondary champ to Roman Reigns. Yeah, I mean, but they might not admit it, but they were, because Roman Reigns was the champ.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now Gunther is saying that he's the champ, like Roman Reigns was. That's what he's saying. That's basically what he's saying champ, and so Cody is the guy that's under him. Now, that's what he's saying. It makes sense for Gunther, since he thinks he's the best wrestler in the world.
Speaker 1:If you had that mindset, it probably would make sense.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm trying to explain to you why he said that to Cody, because that's what he thinks.
Speaker 1:But for the second match on the card, it's Seth Freakin' Rollins versus Bronson Reed, and for this match I think it's pretty simple. I think Bronson Reed not really needs, but he deserves the win and I think he's going to come out on top to come out on top. And I don't think that Seth Rollins is going to come in 100% because he got put through the table on Monday Night Raw, so I don't know if he's going to come in 100%. So that's probably going to give the advantage to Bronson Reed and I think Bronson Reed is going to win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, seth Rollins is always wrestling hurt, though, so this is nothing new for him. He's always wrestling with some kind of injury.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but has he ever wrestled Bronson Reed?
Speaker 2:No, that's what I'm saying. But since Seth Rollins' injury is going to hurt him, I don't think that's going to be the reason he loses. Like Bronson Reed went against Braun Strowman, well, brunson Reed went against Braun Strowman Came back the next week, you know, I mean Seth Rollins cursed up on the hood of a car, as Michael Cole said, made a hood. Not Michael Cole, who was it on Raw? Wade Barrett, wade Barrett, he made a hood ornament out of him. That's what he did when he cursed up on the car. And then he got right back up Like nothing fazed him. Then he suplexed him into a fireman's carry, basically into the tables and got right up and Seth Rollins was still laying there.
Speaker 2:So in order for Seth Rollins to beat Brunson Reed, he has to beat him up, and I don't see Seth Rollins being able to do that in a regular match. Now, if it was a different type of match, then maybe Seth Rollins, but just a regular thing I don't see Seth Rollins doing enough in a regular match. The only way I think Seth Rollins wins this match is if he can wear Bronson Reed down.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wears him down, kind of how Raven Sear did the big show when they wrestled back in the day and Raven Sear beat the big show.
Speaker 1:But that seems.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying that's the way you have to do it, though you got a big monster like that, just like if you beat Mark Henry, you gotta beat him down, you gotta tire him out, yeah you know, you gotta, you gotta tire him out, beat him down. You can't just go in there and just think you're just gonna beat him straight up it also Seth Rollins, but I pick Russell Reed yeah, and it's Seth Rollins.
Speaker 2:But I mean it happens. So I mean, yeah, I like Russell Reed. I've been liking him for a minute, I mean so. I mean even scene when he was, um, what was his name? I can't think of what his name was now, but yeah, he's an independent wrestler. Uh, jonah, yeah, he was Jonah on the independent wrestling.
Speaker 1:What type of name is?
Speaker 2:Jonah, that was just his name on independent wrestling.
Speaker 1:Sounds like a high school kid's name. Yeah, but I'm just saying but anyways.
Speaker 2:I mean, even when he was, then I was, I liked him. So I mean I I liked him. I want to see Bronson Reed get a little push. Seth Rollins, yes, he needs to win this match, but he doesn't need this match. He's still Seth Rollins at the end of the day. Bronson Reed is the one who needs this win because I think he got let go from WWE, came back. He's been on the tear since then Braun Strowman and all that Miz R-Truth I mean he's been destroying people. Seth Rollins, so I think he needs this push to maybe get himself into a title shot. Against who is it? Braun Breaker, maybe?
Speaker 2:yeah or you know something like that, maybe even against Gunther in the future, or you know. Or against Gunther, you know, whatever. So Maybe even against Gunther in the future, or whoever wins against Gunther, you know, whatever. Yeah. So, I got a bronze for you for that one.
Speaker 1:For the next match. It's Ryan Duran versus Kevin Owens, and I feel like I've already talked about this match a little bit, but I feel like Kevin Owens. Well, one thing about this match Triple H is talking about Kevin Owens like he's Brock Lesnar or somebody you don't remember Kevin Owens in Ring of Honor, do you?
Speaker 2:when he was Kevin Steen, do you? No, I didn't watch his stuff so if you remember that Kevin Owens or the Kevin Owens or Kevin Steen, he was in Ring of Honor in independent, if you remember that Kevin Owens or the Kevin Owens or Kevin Steen, he was in Ring of Honor and Independent Wrestling. And then we remember Kevin Owens when he first came to WWE he beat down Sami Zayn. He beat up John Cena.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, if that Kevin Owens comes back, ring the orders in for a long night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah go ahead and finish what you were saying, buddy. But I was just saying Kevin Steen and Kevin Owens. I mean, if he turns into that person, because he's been pretty nice last year or so since he's been with Sami Zayn and him beating the bloodline and all that, so they've been a little bit better, I mean he's been a little bit more of a you know. But if the old school Kevin Owens comes back, that Kevin Owens doesn't care about anybody. The way.
Speaker 2:Triple H was talking about Randy Orton. He doesn't care about anybody. All he cares about is winning matches. It doesn't matter who's in front of him, whether it's best friend for 20 plus years in Sammy or somebody he doesn't even know.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:You know like, think about what he did to Sami Zayn. He actually likes Sami Zayn. He doesn't like Randy Orton, so think about what he'd do with somebody he doesn't like. But I have a question and Randy Orton had, and what's up.
Speaker 1:Um, in the Kiffin Owens, like heel turn, do you think Sami Zayn is going to have an interaction, but do you think it's going to have another match?
Speaker 2:No, you can keep them away from each other right now because we know what happens when they get in the ring together. It's magic. We know what happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean they have never disappointed in any match they've had over the years. The last two decades they've always had banger matches.
Speaker 1:What about the COVID era? Wait, you said.
Speaker 2:I mean, since the last 20 years, since they've been wrestling each other, they've always had good banger matches. I haven't seen a bad one. I mean I've been watching Kevin Owens for a while. I haven't seen him and Sami Zayn when he was El Generico in Ring of Honor. I've never seen him have a bad match.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I keep them away from each other. You can do that at a later date, obviously. I mean, we don't know what's going to happen with Sami Zayn, with the whole Solo and Jey and all that. We'll get to that later, but we don't know what's going to happen with that match.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is Sami Zayn going to join them or is he going to stay away from them? What's going to happen with that? But you know, did you pick for that match already?
Speaker 1:No, but I mean I was going to pick. Well, not going to, I'm probably going to pick Kevin Owens. I thought you were going to pick Randy Orton, no.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I really don't know on this one. It's really hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is a hard decision Because I mean you got Randy Orton, who's I mean bonafide, one of the greatest ever, depending on who you ask I mean on as a heel.
Speaker 1:They're both like probably close up.
Speaker 2:But is Randy Orton a heel? Right now, though, no he's not. That's what I'm saying he's not really a heel right now. He's kind of transitioning right now I mean he did put his hands on Kevin Owens first yeah. I mean, he did put his hands on Kevin Owens first, so Kevin Owens is getting him back paying him back for it.
Speaker 1:No, technically Kevin Owens was like all up in his business, but he didn't touch.
Speaker 2:He didn't touch Randy Orton. Randy Orton was the one that pushed him down.
Speaker 1:No, well it was a punch, but like he pushed, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But I'm saying Randy Orton, put his hands on Kevin Owens first.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, so, but this one.
Speaker 2:See, when Kevin Owens did the elbow thing, he thought that was a security guard. He didn't know that was Randy Orton, so he had his back turned to him the security guard. Think about it. Before that security guards were grabbing him and he was pushing him off right. So somebody grabbed him from behind and he just elbowed. He didn't even turn around, so he didn't know who that was, until he turned around and realized it. And then that's when Randy Warden hit him and that's when kind of took Kevin Owens off because he didn't mean to do it, but he still did it though and so, yeah, I'm probably taking Kevin Owens.
Speaker 1:you can also pick Kevin Owens, I know I want to beat you this time. Well, you may beat me this time, you can still beat me, maybe I?
Speaker 2:mean if Cody wins. But yeah, you said Kevin Owens, that's who you're picking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm doing the same thing. I'm going to pick Kevin Owens as well. Other than Kevin Owens, he's turning back to the prize fighter. Kevin Owens the Kevin Owens that the guy helped himself into WWE originally. I mean the Kevin Owens that beat up his best friend after he won a championship the NXT championship in Sami Zayn and then proceeded to beat him down the next time. They wrestled each other. I mean it was basically a bonafide squash match. Then he came to the main roster and then beat up John Cena Probably the greatest of all time and beat him down. So I mean, if we can get that Kevin Owens back, people got to watch out Because he does not care about anything but belts and money and that's it. That's why he's called the Prizefighter.
Speaker 1:What about himself?
Speaker 2:Belts and money. That's himself included Because it's his going to him. Belts is his.
Speaker 1:Money is his.
Speaker 2:That's why he called it prize fighters. That's what prize fighters are for.
Speaker 1:Prize fighters is an old Wait, so that's an actual thing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought that was just Kevin Owens' thing.
Speaker 2:No, no, prize fighters is what they call boxers like Ali and Tyson and those kind of guys, mayweather. We call them prize fighters. They only fight certain times, but they fight for a lot of money and they only fight for bills.
Speaker 2:That's what a prize fighter actually is Like. Raheem Ali was back in the day, george Foreman, tyson Holyfield, lennox Lewis those guys Even now. Dante Ryder was at one point. He's kind of losing a lot of matches now, but that's what Jake Paul is right now. He's doing the same. He's not fighting for championships, but he's making a lot of money right now Boxing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So that's what a prod fighter is. They only fight for money or bills, that's it, nothing else.
Speaker 1:But is that all you were going to say for that match?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just want to see the old Kevin Owens come back, the Kevin Owens that got him and Dough to be originally. That's all I want to see.
Speaker 1:So for probably my favorite match on the card LA Knight versus Andrade versus Carmelo Hayes, la Knight walking in as the US champion.
Speaker 2:How are you going to say LA Knight's?
Speaker 1:name and not say it the right way.
Speaker 2:Because I'm not going to. Oh yeah, I can see you can't be saying his name, not said the right way.
Speaker 1:All right, go ahead um, well, for this one. Well, well, first of all I'm gonna say I really don't like how they, how game seven ended, but because nobody really won, because LA Knight's not in the ring, because LA Knight's not yeah since you weren't going to do what I do myself.
Speaker 2:All right, go ahead, I'll stop.
Speaker 1:The end of it. But LA Knight yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, arndell, that's the last one. All right, okay, that's the last one. That's it, arndell.
Speaker 1:The individual that has a name. He wasn't in the match. I mean he was a special guest referee.
Speaker 2:He was in the match. Referee in the match.
Speaker 1:But have you ever seen Charles Robinson win a match?
Speaker 2:He's not a wrestler. He's not a US champion either.
Speaker 1:He's not a mega star either. You know what I mean though Charles Robinson Lil Nate.
Speaker 1:But you know what I mean, though. I mean, but for this one I'm not going to go who I think is going to win. I'm going to go who I want to win. Okay, I know it's playing risky, but I just really want Carmelo Hayes to win. So I'm picking Carmelo Hayes, who I think is going to win LA Knight, but I'm actually going to pick Carmelo Hayes on this one, because I just really want to see Carmelo Hayes win this.
Speaker 2:This is a tough one. La Knight has been a good champ so far. I don't want to see his time run in so early. But, like you were saying, Carmelo Hayes is a good wrestler too. But he still has time. He's still young.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Andrade, he just came back. He was in AEW for a while and then he came back over here Well, not a while, but over in AEW for a minute. Then he came over here back to WWE, I don't know. I mean, it's a triple threat match too, so technically, la Knight doesn't have to get pinned to lose the belt.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Carmelo Hayes could beat Andrade, or Andrade could beat Carmelo Hayes and LA Knight loses his belt. That's the only bad thing about triple threat matches, so I don't. You said Carmelo Hayes right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pick. I'm going to go with Andrade, Just be different. Okay, I'm going to go with. Andrade beats Carmelo and that gives him and LA Knight a chance to feud over the belt, going into Survivor Series or Warrior Rumble or whatever the case might be. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So is that what you were going to say about that?
Speaker 2:I mean this should be one of the better matches on the card. I mean, all three of them are good wrestlers Carmelo Andrade, LA Knight, they're all good wrestlers, so this should be a banger, as Sheamus says, I would say this is probably the best wrestling match on the card, Just pure wrestling match on the card right here.
Speaker 1:For the fifth match on the card, it is Jade and Bianca coming in as tag team champions versus Damage Control, consisting of Io Sky and Kairi Sane versus Metaphor Last Legend and Jakara versus Chelsea Green and Piper Niven, who don't have a tag team name.
Speaker 2:You're not going to do a Chelsea name, nope, okay, I'm not going to do it either.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to tap.
Speaker 2:Nope, not either.
Speaker 1:And Chelsea Green and Piper Niven, who don't have a tag team name, and so for this one, I think it's pretty well sliced. Well, not really for what I'm going to say, not really, not really but I'm going to take damage control because I just think that going into the Royal Rumble not going in really, but getting closer to the Royal Rumble Jade and Bianca should lose the titles and I think this is the right stage for it. And, yeah, I think Biancaca's gonna take the pin actually and that's gonna set off jay cargill leading into real rumble and wrestlemania so who thinks gonna win though?
Speaker 2:um damage control, damage control yeah okay, and you think jay's gonna turn bianca? Yeah, because bianca.
Speaker 1:Well I, I think bianca's gonna lose. You don't think Jade's going to turn on Bianca? Yeah, because Bianca. Well, I think Bianca's going to lose.
Speaker 2:You don't think Bella's going to turn on Jade?
Speaker 1:Well, I think, since Jade's new, she needs the crowd. Well, actually, that's not going to get into the crowd.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to get the people born there, because Bianca's a crowd favorite.
Speaker 1:Well see, that's how you get the crowd. You brought up my point um bianca is a fan favorite, so I just don't think. I just she's already been here, so I just don't see she was a heel.
Speaker 2:I feel like, I feel like she's gonna be able to do.
Speaker 1:John cena, people who like have basically a heel, like a heel run and they're just never a heel again but her character's a heel. Talking about it before yeah so like her character is a heel I mean, but you know yeah, but just because her character is a heel doesn't mean she's gonna turn heel heel.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:Cody Rhodes. He's probably not going to turn heel in WWE if he does for a while, if he even does in his WWE career. But yeah, for this one I'm picking Damage Control and I think Bianca Belair is going to take the pin.
Speaker 2:Hmm, this is a hard one Because you got to think the WWE Tag Team Champions. Hmm, this is a hard one cause cause you gotta think the WWE tag team champions. They consist of NXT as well, raw and Smackdown uh, huh so why so?
Speaker 2:why couldn't you? Why not be Lash and Shakara? They've been looking pretty strong last couple weeks. I mean cause you gotta think about Lash, can Shakara? They've been looking pretty strong the last couple weeks. I mean because you got to think about Lash. She can go head-set with any of the other women in the match as far as strength-wise. She's bigger than Jade and Bianca.
Speaker 1:What about Piper and Nimmin?
Speaker 2:Piper and Nimmin is bigger, but she's not taller.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean because Lash was a basketball player before she was a wrestler. So I mean she's played pro basketball, thinking of the WNBA, before she became the WNBA wrestler.
Speaker 1:But are you sure she's stronger than Bianca and Jake?
Speaker 2:Did you not see her pick up Harper and Evan?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like the way she picked her up, though Picked her up pretty easy, Called her and everything.
Speaker 1:Bianca Bellar can do that to.
Speaker 2:Nia.
Speaker 1:Jax.
Speaker 2:True, but I'm just saying Not like that, though Not the way Lash called Piper.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she called her and called her good too. But yeah, I'm going to go on a wild card here. I mean, I want to see Jade and Bianca wrestle each other, so in order to do that, one of them has to turn on the other one. I don't know if Bianca's gonna turn on Jade or Jade turns on Bianca, or whatever, whatnot, but I think Lash and Jakara gonna win. That way they can go to all the brands Raw, smackdown, nxt, tna, wherever you wanna go to they can go, cause they got tag team championships. So for me, I got them winning. That way they can defend the belt and that gives Piper I mean Chelsea and Piper, they deserve it. Were they tag team champions before.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay.
Speaker 2:So everybody's been tag team champions, except for Lash and Jakara.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'm going to go with Lash and Jakara because they've been looking pretty strong last few weeks. I mean, they, they beat Damage Control, I mean what I really like about this match.
Speaker 1:Sorry to cut you off, but what I really like about this match they have a tag team from every single brand I really like that it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a Survivor Series match. That's basically what it is. It's an old school Survivor Series match. We had all the champs wrestle each other, but they only have one WWE Women's Tag Team Championship.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, Mm-hmm, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go with Lash and the card for that one.
Speaker 1:I just realized. The NXT, not NXT. The Intercontinental Champion. Well, the Intercontinental Champion, well, the Intercontinental Championship isn't on the card that's. Brian Breaker.
Speaker 2:Brian Breaker, that's right yeah, but he just beat Jimmy. I mean he just beat Jay and Jay's in the match so he doesn't have anybody to wrestle right now. There's no storyline matches he can wrestle in right now.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:So is that what you want to say about that tag team match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go with Lash and Jakara.
Speaker 1:So, and for another match on the card is Liv Morgan coming in as the Raw. Another match on the card is Liv Morgan coming in as the Raw Women's World Champion versus Nia Jax coming in as the SmackDown WWE Women's Champion. And for this one, I think Actually you know what I'm going on my instinct for two things. I think that Nightjax is going to win, but not walk out as champion.
Speaker 2:Think Tiffany's going to cash in.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because she'll be the crown jewel champion, but that doesn't matter, because she'll be the crown jewel champion, but that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:but yeah, I think Tiffany Stratton's going to cash in at this pay-per-view you think Raquel's going to have anything to do with it, or Dominic or anything like that, or just going to be her just beating her straight up?
Speaker 1:well, I said Nia Jax is going to win oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:Nia Jax okay, you think he's gonna be a straight up or you just think. You think, um, that's insane. Same question raquel and dominic gonna get involved or they're gonna not get involved uh because it's judgment day. I mean, doesn't they always work together?
Speaker 1:I don't see. Well, only one of them can well. Well, dominic and like and the other I don't see. Well, only one of them can well, dominic and like and the other crew. The other members they can get involved, but they can't like hand-to-hand combat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you can distract her. You can distract her and then that can leave. You can distract the referee and that leave Raquel doing what she needs to do with the hijacks. Yeah, I mean, you know it's happened before. So yeah, and it happened in a real ripping match, when they distracted her and she ended up losing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, but for this.
Speaker 2:Good thing about Liv Morgan. Well, good thing not for Not a good thing about it, but a good thing for Liv Morgan is she don't got to worry about a real ripley. She's going gonna be out for a long period of time. I think she broke her eye socket or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait, was that in that when they attacked her?
Speaker 2:yeah, when they attacked her NXT and so, like, rhea Ripley got attacked, you know, by Liv Morgan and Rhea Ripley and attacked, you know, by Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez. You saw that on NXT. And evidently they must have damaged her enough to put her out of action for a few months. They said she broke her eyes, she got an orbital break.
Speaker 1:Which those.
Speaker 2:You can't wrestle with those, because your eyes can be swollen up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, didn't it like an AEW wrestle with that. Or a Daniel Bryan wrestle with a broken eye socket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he didn't have it broken. It was fractured, which I don't know how bad hers is, but I don't know, so we'll see how it goes with that. I mean, she should be backed by Rory Rumble. She should be backed by Rory Rumble. She's going to miss Crown Jewel and probably miss Survivor Series, but it leads her to coming back during the Royal Rumble.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Possibly winning that and challenging Levin Morgan for the belt at WrestleMania, or Raquel or whoever, yeah, so who do you have winning?
Speaker 1:I have Nia Jax, but I have Tiffany Stratton catching in. But I'm going to claim Tiffany Stratton as a part of my prediction. Okay, I don't know, man, I mean.
Speaker 2:Nia Jax has been pretty strong, but Liv Morgan has been strong too, so I'm going to go, especially with these digital Rhea Ripley. I'm going to go with Liv Morgan, with the assistance from Raquel and Dominic. It's going to beat Nia Jax and, like you said, I think Tiffany Stratton is still going to cash in.
Speaker 1:On Nia Jax.
Speaker 2:On Nia Jax.
Speaker 1:after the match Okay, but it's going to be.
Speaker 2:Liv Morgan winning, not Nia Jax winning.
Speaker 1:But one thing about Nia Jax she was trying to get Tiffany Stratton to cash in Great idea, but then she would have to fight Tiffany Stratton who. Nia Jax.
Speaker 2:Like, remember, like when she took out. She don't care, she just don't want. She don't want Tiffany Stratton to cash in on her yeah, she doesn't care about wrestling Tiffany Stratton? She doesn't. You know, she doesn't Tiffany Stratton. She's using her to stay close to her, because if Tiffany Stratton is always close to her, she can't cash in. Yeah, because she's always right next to her.
Speaker 1:But didn't Nia Jax and Tiffany Stratton become friends before? She won the championship. I mean not championship money in the bank briefcase, were they? Yeah, I'm going to have to look into that. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It might have been around the same time. I can't remember if it was before or after. I can't remember for sure. Yeah, I can't remember for sure.
Speaker 1:I think they just ran into each other Like not ran into, Was it during the?
Speaker 2:Bailey feud when Nadia Dawson was fueling against Bailey Was that it maybe I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Morgan winning that match and for the main event at least what I think is going to be the main event Roman rings and the Usos versus the what people are calling the Teemu bloodline, consisting of Solo Sokoa, jacob Fatu and Tama Tonga, and for this one, I'm pretty sure that Roman Reigns and the Usos are going to win. But I don't know how Roman Reigns and Jey Uso are going to play out Because, again, we haven't watched SmackDown, so we don't know if they're going to make up during that or they're just going to, not really, just coexist together, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like Cody Rose and Roman Reigns basically yeah, exactly. But a little bit closer, because they're technically family.
Speaker 2:Well, they are family. No, it's technically our family. Yeah, they are family. Not technically they are family.
Speaker 1:Well, like cousins, Like I was saying technically, because cousins are like, like.
Speaker 2:They're family, though, but it's still family.
Speaker 1:Cousins are like brothers are closer than cousins, Of course.
Speaker 2:We're the same parents, but cousins are just as close too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So how many people are in the War Games Smash? Is it four or five?
Speaker 1:It's well, it varies, but this year I think it's going to be four. You don't think it'll be five. Who Would the tall president of the Rock?
Speaker 2:I don't know if the Rock's going to wrestle with the tall guy. I don't know what he's going to call his name when he comes to the B, but he's already been signed to the B already.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's Tama Tonga and Tonga, lola's brother.
Speaker 1:How do you know that he's not going to join them?
Speaker 2:I don't know that but what? Better way to go against the bloodline than to bring in their brother.
Speaker 1:I'll do you one better. If the Rock does wrestle, how do you know he's not going to be on Roman Reigns' side?
Speaker 2:I mean look at the way he came out after the match against Cody. I mean think about the Rock's still mad at what Cody said. Remember, even though the Rock talked about Cody first, cody said something about the Rock's family.
Speaker 1:What did he say again?
Speaker 2:About his granddad be disappointing him or whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and the Rock slapped him. The Rock's still mad at that. So he doesn't like the fact that Roman Reigns was teaming up with Cody Rhodes when Cody Rhodes talked about their family. So I don't know if he's going to be on Roman Reigns' side. So think about this for a minute. Who's to say that the Rock didn't send Solo to become the tribal chief? Who's to say that the Rock is not behind all this? Because if Solo all of a sudden comes the idea to become a proper Chiefs All on his own, nobody's behind the scenes telling him what to do. I don't see that. I mean not me anyways. I think the Rock may be behind the scenes, kind of letting solo because he was. For one the Rock won tag team match. The Rock won, right, he pinned who Wait, hold on, because for one the Rock won tag team match.
Speaker 1:The Rock won, right, mm-hmm, he pinned who.
Speaker 2:Wait. Hold on In the tag team match with the Rock and Roman against Cody and Seth Rollins. And Seth Rollins who won the match.
Speaker 1:The Rock.
Speaker 2:Who did he pin? Cody Rose, cody Rose.
Speaker 1:Wasn't the champion, but I see my point he beat Cody Rose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cody Rose beat Roman Re champion, but I see no point. He beat cody rose. Yeah, cody rose beat roman reigns they're rocking. They lost cody rose not recently. I don't remember losing to cody rose, not even back in the day, I don't think, yeah, that I know of, but I'm just saying recently, when he's been this, this uh final boss character, he has not lost, he beat. He beat cody rose who was down the world. The undisputed champion, roman reigns, didn didn't do it, he lost his belt.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying and so I think I don't know if this is me throwing stuff out here predictions. I think the Rock has something to do with Solo and think about Jacob. Think about what Jay said to Jacob. I mean to Solo Nobody wanted Jacob. He stayed away from him for a reason because he's dangerous. So the Rock can't be the only one that talks to him. The rock is the only one jacob fought to probably respects hold on and then he brought the tongue is into I'll do you one better.
Speaker 1:See I I am. I didn't grow up like back where he was a manager to Armago. Oh yeah, but Armando, I'm sorry, I don't know who. His other, estrada, yeah, estrada, I think it's something like that.
Speaker 2:But I'll do you want. I can't do the role in the R. It's like they do it. I can't do it I do.
Speaker 1:you want better? How do you know he's not in charge of all that? I don't think he's not in charge of all that?
Speaker 2:I don't think he's in charge, but I think they may bring him in. He still is a manager right, he's still a manager, because Paul Heyman's going to come back with Roman Reigns, yeah, and you bring him in to counteract Paul Heyman, but when you do that, you know who's also wrestling right now too, who? Umaga-san, he's wrestling right now too, who Umaga's? Son. He's wrestling right now. Oh yeah, so is his name, zilla Fatu, I think his name is yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's wrestling right now. I don't know if he's ready for WWE yet, but Solo wasn't ready either when he got called up for NXT. So who's to say they won't bring him in? Uh-huh, Umaga's old manager managing Umaga's son. You mix him in with Jacob the Tongans and Solo. That's a dangerous bloodline.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about him on Solo's side.
Speaker 2:I thought you were talking about him on Roman's side, against that side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he's basically dangerous too.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So then you bring him in. So you got Roman, the Usos, Tom and Tom's brother. And who else can you bring in? Sammy, I mean, or do you try to find another Samoan, I don't know. I mean it's going to be four or five. I don't know what it's going to be for the Survivor Series. It's going to be a war games match between them. I don't even see this match. I don't even think this match is going to have an ending. I mean it's going to be an ending, but I don't think it's going to be.
Speaker 2:It's going to be controversial to where it's not going to be finished. This match? Yeah, it's not going to be resolved. Whatever happens, it's not going to be resolved. Like somebody's going to come out, interfere in the Didn't Solo debut at the last Crown Jewel. Remember when he was wrestling against somebody?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:What match was that? Was that Crown Jewel or Classic Castle?
Speaker 1:That was Classic Castle True McIntyre.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So what's to say that this won't happen again with Crown Jewel, with somebody debuting doing the same thing, interfering in the match, causing the Roman Reigns their bloodline, or vice versa? Because of the solo end, I just don't see this match ending in a definitive clear winner.
Speaker 1:I know it's not going to be clean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I don't see that happening because you still got a War Games match. You got to have a War Games match for. Bloodline versus Bloodline. You got to have that match. I'm surprised they're having this match so early.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like. I feel, like the story of Roman Reigns and Jey Uso. I don't think like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it should have stretched out a little bit longer. I mean, I get you want to put it on the crown jewel.
Speaker 1:Jey, uso and Jimmy. That shouldn't have been so early, exactly. But yeah, like they're brothers so that's a pretty tight connection. Yeah, but yeah, like they're brothers, so that's a pretty tight connection. Yeah, but Roman and Jay, if they make up and like just like that, it has to be like one of those things where it's a whole across the night, like how Jimmy did, basically. But you know, roman Ranks had like the una fall around his neck and he was like was crying crocodile tears and then Lobo J, that should happen, but it's not crocodile tears.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I don't know. I'm just ready to see what happens tomorrow, tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, anything else buddy.
Speaker 1:No, I think that's it, but I'm just going to say this this is a really stacked card.
Speaker 2:It is. I mean, most of All-I-Crowns are stacked cards, though for the most part yeah, except when Goldberg comes around. I mean that was still a stacked card. I mean that's a dream match. They were just about 10 years too late on that match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a blade dream match.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was a dream match. It should have been kept. A dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It should have been a match. It was 10 years too late. They should have had that match when Goldberg first came. I mean yeah, but anyways, I won't get into that one. But is that it, buddy? That's all you got yeah. All right, so this has been another episode. I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
Speaker 1:This has been Tag Team Talk.