Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
Cody's Dilemma and Predictions for WWE's Saturday Night’s Main Event
Ever wondered how a triple threat match could shake up the WWE landscape? Join us as we kick off with a nostalgic nod to the beloved Saturday Night's Main Event and dive into our predictions for the much-anticipated clash between Sami Zayn and Drew McIntyre. With Drew's recent comeback, it's hard not to see him as the favorite, yet there's something about Sami's underdog charm that makes us ponder a surprise outcome. As we shift gears to the dynamic women's division, we champion the introduction of mid-card championships with Michin and Chelsea Green's bout for the WWE Women's US Championship. Chelsea's character growth catches our eye, making her a strong contender for a future at the top.
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk I'm ben I'm bash. It's time to lift up your boots and hit the mat with the ben and bash podcast tag team talk all right here for another one.
Speaker 2:We are gonna do our prediction for saturday night's main event. They are bringing it back. It was a show that came out in the late 80s, early 90s, then it came back again a little bit in the mid 2000s. Then they're bringing it back now. Uh, yeah, this is both this predates, raw and smackdown or any of these shows. So I remember seeing that as a kid sometimes. But but yeah, so we're gonna get into it, let's get to it okay.
Speaker 1:So for the first time on the card it's sammy zane versus drew mcintyre, and for this one I think, like I think, drew mcintyre to win Because he just came back. He just came back, he just attacked Sami Zayn. He got this who knew builds up? Who attacked Jey Uso? And then it turned out to be him. He closed the show with Raw Attacking Sami Zayn and then On Endeavor, raw, he attacked Sami Zayn again and I just think if he would just return, like Shinsuke in another war, if he would just return and just eat an L, I don't think that would just, I don't think that would be right. But actually I'm going to pick the same museum, I don't care everything you just said yep.
Speaker 2:You said pick the same museum. Yep, I'm going to pick Sami Zayn, I don't care. Everything you just said Yep. You said pick Sami Zayn. Yep, is that what you just said? Yep About everything. About why Drew McIntyre should win.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then I think he should win, but I'm picking Sami Zayn and then you do a 180 and pick Sami Zayn. Yep, I think I want Drew McIntyre's gonna win, but I'm saying the same thing.
Speaker 2:Drew McIntyre's gonna win fair thing. He said, like I said, he just came back from getting beat by CM Punk and he's not gonna take a L to Sami Zayn. That's not gonna happen. He's been attacking Sami Zayn unless something happens where somebody interferes, cause I mean he did attack. Was it Jimmy, or so Jay?
Speaker 1:wait well Both of them.
Speaker 2:Unless one of them come out and help Sammy, Drew's going to win this match easily. If it's a strictly one-on-one match, Drew's going to win this match. Drew's already mad. He lost to CM Punk. He's trying to get back into the title picture. He's trying to get back up there on a winning streak. I got Drew McIntyre winning this match without any interference or anything.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, yep. So for the next match on the card, I have Ice Meechan versus Chelsea Grant To be the new WWE Women's US Champion, and for this one, I don't know I want Chelsea Green to win, and I think she will win, because most of the crowd is behind her. In my opinion, I think so I would rather her win than Meechan, but that's just my opinion. So I'm picking Chelsea Green.
Speaker 2:It's about time they had a mid-card, or I guess you call it mid-card. What are you going to call it? Us Intercontinental Women's Championship. I guess you call it mid-card. I guess you call it yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean it's about time. I mean it's years in the making. You got so many women. You have so many women on WWE. Right now you have to have another belt. I mean only having two belts and having all these great wrestling, all these women wrestlers out here, out here, great women wrestlers out here. I mean it's just wild. He only had two belts this whole time, you know. I mean so yeah, it's finally good. They got a United States Championship going to be crowned Saturday Night's Main Event and also they also have on the Raw. You have the Intercontinental Women's Championship. They're going to be crowned sometime in the future. So that's two good belts right there and hopefully they give it to people like these two, meechan and Chelsea Green. Whoever wins this match deserves it. It's hard to pick between two veterans like these. I mean, both of them have won championships outside of WWE. I mean Chelsea was tag team champion, meechan was she a tag team champion at one point, meechan?
Speaker 1:Yeah, or she had one of the best WWE hatchets I know of.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so. But yeah, like I said, it's about time. I mean, people like Chelsea, green and Meacham people like that should be Candice LeRae people like that, Natalia, people like that should get a chance to win a belt. You know what I mean. It's hard when you only got two belts and you got Rhea and Bianca, and then Jay when she comes back, and Bailey and Becky when she comes back and Charlotte when she comes back. That's so many people on just the main card alone. You need some belts for the people who are not going to be up there. Get some good stepping stones, more exposure. Look at what Gunther did. Gunther won, held the belt for a record amount of time. Now he's a world champion.
Speaker 2:So, I mean this is a good stepping stone for all the women. You say you picked Meechan.
Speaker 1:No, I picked Chelsea.
Speaker 2:Green. Yeah, this is a hard one because, like I said, both of them deserve to win it. I'm going to pick Chelsea Green as well Just because, like I said, her character over the last year has really helped out a lot. I mean her team with Piper, you know, helping bring Piper character out, you know. I mean Piper's a good wrestler too. If you watch her on the independent scene a little bit before she came to the WWE and the women's tournament they had in NXT, stuff like that, you know you see how good of a wrestler she is. But I think Chelsea Green is going to win this deservingly. So Nothing against Meechan, but she'll have a chance to win that belt later too as well. But yeah, I got Chelsea Green becoming the inaugural Women's US Champion.
Speaker 1:Okay, and for the next match, it is Gunther vs Finn Bal Balor, versus Damian Priest, for the World Heavyweight Championship, and this is a triple threat match, so there is no rules, which means shenanigans can take place. But for this match I don't know if most people agree with me I feel like they will, but I'm taking guthr for this match because he's just been on a hot streak and he needs to take out finn ballard because he because he's just taking out people who gives him who, who give him doubt that he's not, that he's like a real champion. So, uh, damian priest again. Again he could take him out for like a third time. That would just be wait, that like. So. So the first time, damian priest got screwed out of the championship, the second time, uh, damian priest got screwed out of the championship and the third time, I feel like there'll still be shenanigans, but I feel like Gunther will definitely win against Finn Balor and Damian Priest.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about them adding Damian to the match, though I mean for as long as it was Gunther versus Finn?
Speaker 1:I don't like it because I feel like Finn should get his one-on-one match.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know he's got so many in the past, but he's just like such a veteran that he deserves to get matches like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but here's my thing I think Gunter's going to win, but Finn needs to win. He deserves to be the world champion. You got to think he was the first universal champion.
Speaker 1:Has it been eight years now, hasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like eight or nine years. Yeah, so he was. He was the first when he beat seth rollins, but in the process of that match he, he blew his shoulder out or something happened with his shoulder. He needed surgery like the next day he had to. He won the belt on sunday, had to relinquish it on monday. So I mean he, he, he. If anybody needs a world championship, it's Finn Balor. I mean, he's been wrestling over 20 years and he needs his win and maybe by Damon being in the match, he doesn't have to pin Gunther because of the Triple Threat match. Gunther can still keep his streak of not being pinned. Who's the last person that pinned him? Sami Zayn pinned him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sami.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sami Zayn pinned him, and then was it Roman Reigns there have been Sammy Zane pinned him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sammy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sammy Zane pinned him. And then was it Robin Reigns, Robin Reigns or who pinned him? No, it was Sammy Zane. Did anybody else pin?
Speaker 1:him. Oh, Cody Rose, oh yeah, Cody Rose.
Speaker 2:So Cody Rose and Sammy Zane are the only person that beat Gunther since he had the Eric Connery Championship. So Gunther can still lose without getting pinned. Finn pins Damien Finn's the world champion, you know, I mean then that would give Justin Day two world champions. But like you said, shenanigans, I mean. I'm pretty sure Justin Day's going to get. Well, I don't know. Finn may tell Justin Day to stay behind, like he did last time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He may tell him not to get involved.
Speaker 1:And that'll probably cost him the match.
Speaker 2:And then probably cost him the match. Maybe, but hopefully not. Hopefully that's not the case, but and then that can lead to another feud with them so you're picking Finn.
Speaker 2:I'm, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna go with Finn. I mean, if he, if he, hasn't put money on it, I'll say Gunter. But I really want Finn to win. But the smart pick is Gunter for sure, because he's been so dominant. But I'm going to go with Finn just because I think he needs this win more than other two. Gunter's going to be good, especially if he doesn't get pinned. Damien's going to be good, whether he gets pinned or not. He's going to be good too. They're both over with the crowd. Damien's getting cheered, gunter's getting cheered, gomes is getting booed. Finn's kind of just being there. He's getting beat down. You can't be the leader of a Judgment Day with Liv and Raquel and Carlito and JD and Dominic and all them and lose every match and Dominic's out here beating the world champions. Yeah, I mean. You can't be the leader of a group where you can't even win a match, you know.
Speaker 1:And then it didn't also fit him have the tag team match coming up too. Was it monday? Uh, yeah, against the war raiders raiders too. So I really think they're gonna lose that.
Speaker 2:I hope they lose that if finn wins, they're definitely gonna lose that match. I mean, he's gonna be too. He's gonna be too caught up on the world, world championship to defend that he's going to be there, but he may be too distracted. Like I said, smart money's on Gunther, but who I want to win? I'm going to pick Finn.
Speaker 1:Yep, for. The next match on the card is Liv Morgan versus Io Sky for the Women's World Championship. For this one, I feel like Io Skye is who I think is the best women's wrestler still on the roster today. But I just feel like Liv Morgan is going to win so she can have that feud with Rhea Ripley, and then Rhea Ripley could win the title, I think, and Rhea Ripley can win the title, and then I think, down the road, because we got a glimpse of it on Monday I think down the road, rhea Ripley and Io Sky will feud for the championship, and so I think Liv Morgan will win to go on to a feud with Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2:So you got Liv winning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have Liv winning.
Speaker 2:Okay Is Dakota. She's in the Intercontinental tournament.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, I think she won.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a hard one. I'm just thinking about that, because somebody like Dakota could win the Intercontinental championship and then that could be good for damage control. Okay, that's a hard one, come to think about that, because somebody Dakota win the Aaron Connell championship and then that could be good for damage control. But do you also have Oscar coming back eventually? And then, and then Kyrie Sane? There too, like I said, io is probably one of the best female wrestlers, if not wrestlers, in the world period. You know just what she does in the world period. You know just what she does in the ring. I mean, she makes it look easy, I mean fluid, I mean just one of the best overall out there. You know, not a big person that doesn't have a lot of power, but she's quick, fast, you know, not scared to jump off the top rope and do crazy things, you know, or top of the cage or wherever the cage might be. But you also have to understand that you have Raquel with Liv.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, EO has, EO has damage control. But damage control is also starting to few with what's that group name?
Speaker 1:PFC.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Sonya Deville group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that's pfc yeah what do you call it? Uh I can't remember yeah, it stands for perfusion control oh yeah, no, pure fusion collective perfusion collective yeah that sounds like a fortnite clan yeah, so you have.
Speaker 2:You have eo sky and I'm actually feuding with them right now. I don't know, this is a tough one because there's so many pieces on the board. As they say for this one, I mean, you got Judge Day involvement, you got Damage Control, you got Pure Fusion Collective involved. I mean, or could get involved in this match. If they're still kind of feuding with Damage Control, I mean I really want EO to win, but Liv's going to win this match. We already know what it is. She's going to win this match. She's going to feud Rhea Ripley If they finish it off at Royal Rumble or they stretch it out to WrestleMania, I hope that doesn't happen I don't know, but they're probably going to wrestle at Royal Rumble more likely.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I got Liv Morgan winning, not because I really that's why I won't, but that's just a smart decision of who I'm picking for this match.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. And for the last match, the main event of Saturday Night's main event, cody Rose versus Kevin Owens for the WWE Undisputed Championship and for this one I feel like it's pretty clear-cut I would say Sure do I want Kevin to win. Yeah, he deserves it. He deserves it ever since he won, ever since he lost the Universal Championship to Goldberg, was it?
Speaker 2:Didn't he lose it to Goldberg? I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ever since that, he deserves another rematch, another match. I know he's gotten one before, but I'm saying one with no shenanigans, and you know, cody Rose being the top babyface that he is, there's not going to be no shenanigans in this match, at least coming from Cody Rose's side.
Speaker 2:And not Kevin Owens either. Nobody likes him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Unless Randy Orton, somebody comes back.
Speaker 1:I'm saying shenanigans for Kevin Owens by himself, like doing something cheap, like a low blow.
Speaker 2:Oh, he could. I mean this Kevin Owens. Right here is the Kevin Owens that Cody, no, I'm saying there would be no shenanigans from Cody Rose except Randy Orton, maybe. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:And so I'm saying Cody Rose, especially with that edge that Randy Orton could return. So yeah, I'm picking Cody Rose to retain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean this whole build-up. I mean I think I told you before the whole build-up came from. Yeah, I think I told you before the whole build-up came from. You got to think everything that Cody went through with trying to finish the story two straight years came back to WWE, won the Royal Rumble, wrestled Roman Reigns, lost to Roman Reigns, spent the next year, literally the next year, trying to get this belt back again from Roman Reigns. Then they won the Royal Rumble again two years in a row, chose Roman Reigns again. They're on the Royal Rumble again two years in a row, choke from the Reigns again.
Speaker 2:Then also in that match. You knew you knew the Bloodline was going to get involved in that match, which they did. And Cody Rhodes had help too. I mean he, he had, uh, seth Rollins come out, I mean Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn beat the Usos for the world championship, I mean for the tag team championship. I mean the Rock came out and helped out Roman Reigns. The Undertaker came out and helped Cody Rhodes. They did all this to help Cody Rhodes win the belt, to finally beat Roman Reigns. And then, not even six months later or no, it was about six months. Russ Manning was in April, may, june, october-ish yeah.
Speaker 2:He teamed Roman Reigns in the.
Speaker 2:The same year. They didn't let a year go by. In the same year he tagged things with Roman Reigns to help Roman Reigns get his bloodline back that Cody spent two years trying to get rid of. That's why Kevin Owens is mad. I'd be mad too with that. I helped you. I went through tables for you. I fought the bloodline for three or four years before he was in. Before Kevin Owens came back to WWE, kevin Owens was getting thrown off the top of a boat at WrestleMania A boat. Remember that thing about that boat.
Speaker 1:When they were in the Performance Center, there was a boat though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a boat. Remember it was at one of the WrestleManias For the pirate ship thing. Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the boat part, but I remember him getting thrown off a bunch of stories.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. So he went through all that against the bloodline Years Before Cody Rhodes came back, he was still in AEW. He went through all this. Cody Rhodes comes back. He finally dethrones the guy. Everybody wants him to be, everybody who. Everybody wants to lose the belt. Then, less than a year later, you're tag-teaming with the same guy who you spent two years trying to defeat and get rid of his bloodline, just to help him get his bloodline back from so long.
Speaker 1:Well that was why he was trying to do that match. Wow, I never thought about that, you see what I'm saying. And Roman Reigns kind of didn't even want to team with Cody Rose.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. But they decided to team together and Cody decided to help him out. Cody said no, I don't want to help you out.
Speaker 1:No, Cody came up to him. Remember, that's what. I'm saying that's what I'm saying, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's why Kevin Owens is mad. That's the whole point. And then the whole Randy Orton thing came out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know and all this, and so it's like I don't know. It's just Kevin Owens is frustrated. He went through all this trouble for years, years and years and years of the bloodline for Cody to come in, finally get the maroon, maroons and then try to help him get his bloodline back. Yeah, the same bloodline that Kevin Owens got beat up for, the same bloodline that Cody Rhodes tried to get rid of when he came back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you want him back. So that's why Kevin Owens is mad. I'll be mad too. You probably obeyed Facebook. He helped out the biggest heel in the company at the time Outside of Dunkin' Mysterio, Before you know, before he lost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and came back, you know. And so Kevin Owens has a good point. You know this and this, but he's helping out the number one heel in wrestling. Nobody wanted to be champion anymore, you know. But with all that being said, I just, I just don't think Kevin Owens beat Cody. I mean, I want Kevin Owens to beat Cody Rhodes. Yes, yes, we need something different. We don't need a. When I say we as fans, we don't need that. We, when I say we as fans, we don't need a champion to have a belt for two, three years anymore.
Speaker 2:That's you don't need that you can change the belt every few months now, like they used to back in the day and in a championship that showed a little bit of that exactly in a championship.
Speaker 2:Doing that United States championship did Jay, and then back to Bron. You know so I mean it's good. I mean women's champion, did that Rhea Ripley, liv Morgan, all that Bailey and all them. You know. I mean, you know Nia Jax had it and Bailey had it. You know so it's like you have. And then Io had it before her. So you know it's it's good to change it up every now and then, cause that makes it even for anybody to win. If one guy dominates for four or five years, that means nobody's winning that belt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2:So if you let somebody or not let somebody, but if somebody wins that belt a year later or six months later, then they get somebody's opportunity to come win it. Who the fans are behind, you know? I mean, yeah, the fans were behind. You know. I mean, yeah, the fans don't like Kevin Owens, but it gives Cody a reason to go back after him, yeah. You know, cody's a good chaser, as they say, he's a good champion as well, but some people are better chasers than they are champions.
Speaker 1:Like Trick Williams kind of. No, he's good.
Speaker 2:Some people do better on the chase to a championship than actually getting the championship. You see what I'm saying. Some people look better trying to get to a championship. You know, like, look at Kevin Owens Him winning the championship this bad, it makes him look good. He does anything. He does whatever needs to be done to win a championship, whether it's attacking Cody Rose from behind, you know, staying in his car, faking like he's outside and drove off. But he's actually back into the arena, you know, like he did last week. You know, whatever the case might be, you know, kevin Owens is a good champion too, but there's some people who are just better at the climb up the hill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know there's just some people who are just better at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that's what Cody is. I mean, cody's a good champion, don't get me wrong. But his fight to get to the championship, his story and his dad never winning and doing all that, that's a great story. You know he's been a good champion, but let Kevin, that gives Cody a reason to go after that. Or if they decide to change, you know, with with raw going to Nick to Netflix in a few weeks and they're going to be people with around who say Cody's not gonna be on raw.
Speaker 2:So who's they were? Mine's not gonna be on raw.
Speaker 1:That. I mean that would just give Rod day too much superstars.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:Rod has been in the dirt recently, but you can always trade yeah, you can always trade.
Speaker 2:I mean you got sam punk. I mean you can. You can, I mean you got people you can move and the good thing about netflix.
Speaker 1:Like recently I I think that um smackdown has been the better show, but raw being on netflix, I feel like it gives it that edge, you know yeah, hopefully, hopefully they won't bleep the crowd out.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess I know you can't have the wrestlers up there saying whatever you want to say, but it's. It's hard to watch wrestling when you can't even hear people talk because the crowds you know saying whatever they're saying yeah maybe with netflix being a non-network tv, maybe netflix will let the crowd say what they're saying. Yeah, maybe with Netflix being a non-network TV, maybe Netflix will let the crowd say what they want to say without bleeping it out.
Speaker 2:Or just like cutting when someone like does something yeah or just cut into a black screen when they see something on TV or something they don't want to see, you know, but I don't know. I mean, yeah, you pick Cody, yeah, I pick Cody, I'm just going to go against you, I'm going to go with Kevin Owens, just to make it interesting, so he has something to go root against. So, yeah, I'm going with Kevin Owens. Okay, I don't know if he really wins. If Kevin Owens of NXT comes back, you know the way Kevin's thing, if they come back, then we have a chance, you know so, but yeah, anything else.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's it all right. So Saturday night main event, uh thing come on tonight 8, 8 pm yeah, 8 pm yeah all right, it's been another. Uh, I'm Ben and. Bash been an episode of Tag Team.
Speaker 1:Talk.