Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
Elimination Chamber Talk: Will Cody sell his Soul?
The excitement leading into the Elimination Chamber matches is electrifying, with predictions and strategies shaping the event's landscape. We analyze key matchups, share predictions, and dig into potential storylines.
• Predictions for tag team match featuring Tiffany Stratton and Trish Stratus
• Evaluation of the women’s Elimination Chamber competitors and their chances
• Discussion of the significance of the unsanctioned match between Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens
• An exploration of the men's Elimination Chamber match dynamics
• Speculation on possible interference and the implications for WrestleMania
• Will Cody sell his Soul.
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk I'm ben, I'm bash. It's time to lace up your boots and hit the mat with the ben and bash podcast tag team talk all right for another one.
Speaker 2:today we are going to do our predictions for the elimination chamber match, so you know how that goes the mission chamber going through the rundown, all the matches, what's going on? What do we think is going to happen? Do you know?
Speaker 1:Well, for the first match on the card, it's Tiffany Stratton and Trish Stratus against Nia Jax and Candice LeRae. So for this one I expected. When Trish Stratus was in the arena, I thought it was going to be Tiffany Stratton versus Trish Stratus.
Speaker 2:I thought the same thing too.
Speaker 1:Because that would be like the best women's wrestler to go against before Charlotte Flair. Yeah, but I guess they're teaming up to go against Nia Jax and Tiffany, not Tiffany Stratton, nia Jax and Candice LeRae. So for this one I think it's pretty clear cut. I don't think Tiffany Stratton is losing right before WrestleMania, especially with the challenger the likes of Charlotte Flair. So I have Tiffany.
Speaker 2:Stratton and Trish Stratus walking out with the win. Yeah, I thought Tiffany was going to wrestle Trish as well in this one, but you're forgetting. Charlotte said she's going to be there too. So who's to say that Charlotte's not interfering in the match and calls Tiffany Stratton to win?
Speaker 1:Why would she do that?
Speaker 2:Think mind games. You know who daughter she is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know who her dad is right.
Speaker 2:You know what his nickname was?
Speaker 1:right, dirtiest player in the game but isn't her whole. Thing not to be like her dad she's getting booed right now.
Speaker 2:So why would she not be like him right now? She's getting booed right now. She didn't have to be when she was getting cheered, but now she's getting booed. She may resort to do what he was doing by being dirtiest woman in the game. Now, dirtiest player in the game, I mean, why not? That's mind games. You cause Tiffany Stratton to win, or if she gets pinned, or if Trish Stratus gets pinned, they lose.
Speaker 1:I just don't see Tiffany Stratton kicking the pin, but it's a tag team match.
Speaker 2:You can take a pin and still keep your belt, though See, there's no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but a pin is kind of like bad going into Rouse for me.
Speaker 2:Exactly, that's the point. That's what I'm saying. That's why, if Charlotte does interfere, it would be a mind game to get in, to get that's the whole point to get in their head.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying, tiffany Stratton.
Speaker 1:So you have Nia Jax and Candice LeRae.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I don't know, I'm just trying to run through it. So like you get into mind Tiffany Stratton because she's young, you got to think Tiffany Stratton is young.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Charlotte Flair is what 13-time world champion?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 14,. I think 14.
Speaker 2:So you see what I'm saying. So you got to long time. She's been around, since she was a kid, grew up around it, being her dad I mean older brother wrestled Both her brothers wrestled, actually, so it's like she's been around her entire life. So she knows wrestling. Tiffany Stratton just started wrestling when she came to WB. She was a gymnast or whatever it was yeah. So you say, you picked.
Speaker 1:I picked Tiffany Stratton they're in Toronto, though.
Speaker 2:That's the problem. They're in Toronto and I don't. Are they gonna? Are they gonna let? Is Trish Stratton gonna lose in Toronto, in her home country?
Speaker 2:I don't think so her hometown actually it is oh no, she's winning, she's guaranteed, she's from Toronto, guaranteed it is oh no, she's winning, she's guaranteed guaranteed. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and pick Tiffany Stratton and Trish Stratus, but Charlotte Ferry will be out there, though she will try to interfere in the match, but it's not gonna work. But, yeah, I'm gonna pick Tiffany Stratton and Trish Stratus to win for the next match on the card.
Speaker 1:it's the Women's Elimination Chamber match, which consists of Liv Morgan, bianca Belair, alexa Bliss, bailey Naomi and Roxanne Perez, and those have some really good people in it, and this has, um, some really good people in it. But, like I I thought I was gonna like like clear cut, alexa bliss, but I'm not sure now because, like I actually thought about it for a second and I have no idea, like who would actually win this, so I'm gonna have you go first so I can just like build up my answer because I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know either. This is a hard one because there's no clear-cut winner at all. I mean, roxanne looks strong. She looks the strongest out of anybody right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think she would win and go against. Remind you, she's going against Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, but she looks the strongest, though I'm not saying she's going to win, but going into it. She's the frontrunner, going into it. I mean because she— I mean, there's also Alexa Bliss, bianca, yeah but look who has the last win against anybody else in that match Roxanne Perez.
Speaker 1:She beat Bayley. There was Liv Morgan, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Roxanne Perez beat Bayley, a multi-time world champion and tag team champion yeah.
Speaker 1:I guess impressed beat Bailey, a multi-time world champion and tag team champion, world Rumble winner Money in the Bank.
Speaker 2:Winner. So I mean, you see what I'm saying. Roxanne beat her. She's going into the match with the most momentum. As far as that goes, I mean, yeah, Liv Morgan is going into it too, but she's missing her tag team partner. You gotta think Liv Morgan, but she's going into a two, but she's missing her tag team partner. So she's going, you got to think Liv Morgan, Liv Morgan, but she's going to a match with Bianca and Naomi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which accused her? That would Okay, exactly.
Speaker 2:Listen, I don't like Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez. That's a two on one yeah. So what happens when Bianca and Naomi are both in there with Liv?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Raquel's not there to help her out this time.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that was the most fake like video ever Like, just because you were walking.
Speaker 2:That's the point. They were walking after the fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They were the only people walking after the fact. That's why they got blamed for it. Still, though, because they are healed, they They've done it. I think they did it before. Yeah, they did it to Rhea Ripley on NXT Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Why was Rhea Ripley there? She knows how the NXT parking lot is.
Speaker 2:Well, she was there. She was at NXT doing something else.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So that's why they blame it on them, because they had done it before. Yeah, they did it to Rhea Ripley a few months before that and put her out for a few months with the broken eye socket or whatever it was. So if they can do it to her, why can't they do it to Jade? I don't think they did either, but I mean it's not impossible for them to do it. It's not too far off, Exactly because they've done it before and they were walking away from the action.
Speaker 2:They were walking away from what was happening after the fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean looking at it, I mean obviously, obviously Bianca or Naomi did it. I think Bianca did it. To be honest with you, I think Bianca did it, and then, especially with Naomi, just taking the pin and losing the belts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Naomi took the pin and she lost the belts. I think Bianca did it. That's what I'm going to go with Bianca. She's the one who attacked Jade.
Speaker 1:Wait, you said Bianca would win the match.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying Bianca's the one who attacked Jade. All right, yeah, that's what I think I'm going future, but for this match, whoever wins this wrestles.
Speaker 1:Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2:Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 1:Now I'm going to break down each person. So first Liv Morgan. I potentially see her winning if Io Sky also is in that match.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Bianca. That's a good match, but there's a different road, a different path that she needs to go on. For WrestleMania and Alexa Bliss, I could confidently say that she's going to win, but I don't know. And then Bayley, naomi and Roxanne.
Speaker 2:Okay, I got my pick. I'm thinking about WrestleMania. Wrestlemania is the next.
Speaker 1:That's the next event, right? Yeah, there's nothing else in between here, between the Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania, right? No, there used to be Fastlane, but they moved that to like I don't know when.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm saying. There's nothing else. After Elimination Chamber.
Speaker 1:Before WrestleMania no, I don't think so no.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm got to think the Bills to WrestleMania. You got to have WrestleMania matches, right? Okay, Liv Morgan is tag team champion. The tag team champ's got to defend the Bills at WrestleMania. Why else would she have? You got two nights.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Defend the Bills at WrestleMania. All the Bills should be defending WrestleMania period.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, all the Bills Most definitely Okay then.
Speaker 2:So Liv Morgan can't win this match if she's a tag team champion. I wouldn't say can't. Well, that'd be two matches in one or two nights, okay.
Speaker 1:She could be second night and then that match.
Speaker 2:I know she could, but realistically Okay.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:All right, bayley, her and Roxanne are going to. It's like they're going to feud with each other.
Speaker 1:it seems like I think Roxanne's going to eliminate Bayley, or the other way around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they're going to feud with each other at WrestleMania, because that's the future versus the present. Slash past.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because there's a picture of Roxanne, when she was a kid, taking a picture with Bayley. Oh yeah, that sounds like her idol growing up, so I think they're going to have their WrestleMania moment with each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Bianca and Naomi. They're going to be stuck in the Jade feud, mm-hmm, so it only leaves one person. Alexa Bliss. Yeah, and then you can bring in the Y6 with that as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't think that I feel like the Y6 needs Alexa Bliss, but now Alexa Bliss doesn't need the Y6 nope, but if you watch the Smackdown, yeah, they show the Y6 after she did the thing after she did. The does nobody see that like ever that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:They just do, they just do the Y6 thing. So that's the. I think Alexa Bliss is gonna win this match just by just Elimination. That's not who I want to win.
Speaker 1:Who did you want to win, bianca?
Speaker 2:or Bayley, and a third is Rakten.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But Bianca or Bayley, I think, would be the better match for Rhea Ripley. Bianca for sure would be the better match for Rhea Ripley as far as power for power, skill for skill, just a better matchup all the way around. Bayley, because she's a veteran, she can. She can wrestle against anybody pretty much. Yeah, she's like, she's like Natalia, she can probably match against anybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bayley can. She's like Natalia, she can pretty much. So that's what I think. I mean. I'm just going to pick Alexa Bliss Just by process of elimination. Like I said, liz is going to be stuck in a tag team Tag, not stuck, but she's going to be defending her tag team belt or whatever adjustment they got going on. Naomi Bianca's going to be going on. Whoever's going to be feuding One of them's going to be feuding with Jade, not sure about the other one. Maybe in a three-way Roxanne is gonna be wrestling Bayley at WrestleMania at least Alexa Bliss. That's my. That's my prediction, just based on elimination but um, so yeah.
Speaker 1:So you said Alexa, bliss right yeah, but it's for positive elimination so my original pick was alexa bliss, but then I just don't know. But but from what you said, yeah, alexa bliss, and like she's on a build-up coming back but just came back too, yeah you know this might be a mistake, but I'm gonna say live morgan live morgan.
Speaker 1:Okay, any reason just um, I think that she's gonna win the eos guy, like she's gonna interfere with eos guy's match or something like that. There there's just going to be a triple threat at WrestleMania Liv Morgan, io Sky and Rhea Ripley. That's what I think is going to happen. That's what I hope happens.
Speaker 2:Okay, gotcha All right. Anything else on that match?
Speaker 1:Nope. All right, wait, do you think Jade comes back During this match?
Speaker 2:Nope, all right, wait, do you think? Jade comes back During this match. Yep, she has to come back eventually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she can't come back the week before WrestleMania.
Speaker 2:No, if it's not.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. If Jade doesn't come back before WrestleMania, I feel like Bianca's going to win this If Jade doesn't come back before WrestleMania. But yeah, I'm going to stick with Liv Morgan. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think she may come out tonight and interfere in a match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but who would she interfere, liv Morgan or Bianca?
Speaker 2:Whoever attacked her, she's going to come out and go for it.
Speaker 1:I think she's going to go for Liv Morgan no no, no, I think it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's going to happen tonight in the chamber, or Raw, or whatever. But I think what's going to happen is they're going to be in a ring Liv Morgan, rhea, bianca, naomi whoever Jay comes out, she looks at Rhea Rip, not Rhea Rip, but she looks at Liv Morgan and Raquel and then she punches Naomi or Bianca whoever attacked her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. And then the crowd's like what's she doing that for? And the announcer's like oh my, why'd she hit her for? You know all that? Then find out that's who attacked her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, then, they find mysterious security footage of her attacking her, of whoever attacked her attacking her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do that a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then they're going to actually find the security footage then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like they only find the security footage after they know who attacked him. Yeah, they only find the security After they know who attacked him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's what you're gonna say For that and. And the next match In the card is Sami Zayn Versus Kevin Owens In an un-sectioned match. So this is their home country, so yeah. What an unsanctioned match. So um, this is their home country, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Um what no? No unsanctioned matches.
Speaker 1:It's basically extreme rules.
Speaker 2:No, there's no, there are no rules. It's just just a match. It's literally just. Since Sami Zayn is injured, wwe can't sanction the match.
Speaker 1:So it's just an extreme rules match it's a fancy extreme rules match.
Speaker 2:No, it's not an extreme rules match. It's basically a way of saying that WWE's not liable for what happens in the match.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if they get hurt?
Speaker 1:So it's a fancy extreme rules match.
Speaker 2:No, because that's a sanctioned match. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:What does sanctioned mean?
Speaker 2:That means it's approved by WWE. They approved it. If they get hurt, wwe takes liability for it. They help them out with all that kind of stuff. Unsanctioned means WWE. We're not approving this match. We're going to let y'all wrestle, but don't come to us if something happens to any one of y'all so there's no rules though there's no rules in the match and WWE's not approving it. Oh, it's not an approved WWE match.
Speaker 1:So why would they let them wrestle?
Speaker 2:Because they want to wrestle. That's why it's unsanctioned, because Sami Zayn is not cleared to wrestle.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he needs to wrestle and he wants to wrestle, so they're making it unsanctioned that way, because he's not cleared by a doctor.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if he gets re-injured he can't come back and sue or whatever. You know how that goes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He can't come back and blame it on me for getting him hurt, for putting him in that match, because he's injured.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was like the Seth Rollins had an unsanctioned match. Was it Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania a few years ago with his knee? I?
Speaker 1:Was it Brock Lesnar at?
Speaker 2:WrestleMania a few years ago with his knee, I don't know. I was there too. I want to say it was Brock Lesnar, it was an unsanctioned match.
Speaker 1:I remember that match.
Speaker 2:It was an unsanctioned match that was at.
Speaker 1:WrestleMania right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, it was an unsanctioned match.
Speaker 1:But he had the title right, or Brock had the title.
Speaker 2:I think Brock had the title. Seth Rollins had re-injured his knee when he had surgery on and kept him out for a while and he was an unsanctioned match because he wasn't clear, because his knee was still messed up, but he was unsanctioned.
Speaker 1:Didn't he win that, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:I can't remember, but I remember Seth Rollins was an unsanctioned match in WWE before. But, yeah, it's basically a no rules match. It's just referee's just there to count the pinfall or the submission, that's it, and WB's not held liable for what happens. So that's just.
Speaker 1:They're there to fight so an extreme rules match, but they're not held liable for it pretty much. Okay, yeah, pretty much so who do you got winning um?
Speaker 2:I mean, this match has been going on for decades now. I remember them wrestling in the Ring of Honor when I was younger, so I mean, but this right here is different though.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, way different, like he tried to end his career.
Speaker 2:I mean, they showed up at each other's houses.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean they know each other. They've been knowing each other for decades, so obviously they know each other's parents. They know each other's parents, they know each other's siblings, they know each other's kids. They hung out with each other's kids. I mean, their kids know them. I mean so this is a little different though showing up at each other's house like that Sammy went to Kevin Owens' house where his mom was there.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, had that been Kevin Owens showing up at Sammy Zane's house and Sammy's mom was there that would be a lot different would. Would Sammy? Would Kevin Owens just been talking to her or would he attack her cause?
Speaker 1:you can't put anything past Kevin Owens yeah so but like, um, one thing, like it was so smooth how Kevin Owens was just talking and then they panned the camera to Sammy's house. But for me, I think Kevin Owens, I don't know if Randy's coming, that's the thing. I think if Randy comes, sammy's winning. If he doesn't come right now or comes on a Raw or SmackDown, I think Kevin Owens is winning.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I'm going to say Kevin Owens is winning this match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I hope they wrestle at WrestleMania again too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I— I'd rather see another match. Yeah, I would rather see Randy Orton.
Speaker 2:Well, I can see Kevin. I can watch Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn wrestle all the time. Yeah, I can watch Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn wrestle all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I would rather see this match than Randy Orton versus Kevin Owens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can watch Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens wrestle all the time. Mm-hmm, I'm not tired of it yet. Yeah, and they don't wrestle all the time either.
Speaker 1:That's one of the things that probably won't get boring for a long time.
Speaker 2:Because they don't wrestle all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they space it out.
Speaker 2:If they wrestled all the time, yeah, we'd get boring quick. But when they do wrestle each other, it's personal, because they've been knowing each other since they were teenagers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that's how they knew each other from wrestling, you know. They got a love for wrestling together, you know Mm-hmm. And so they grew up watching wrestling together, then watching wrestling together. Then they both started wrestling around the same time together, and they both made it to be around the same time. Sami Zayn came first, though just by Kevin Owens, probably jealous of him.
Speaker 2:Sami Zayn got hired, but that'd be first, and then Kevin Owens came later yeah so, but then Kevin Owens beat Sami Zayn for NXT championship, and then Kevin Owens went to the main roster before Sami Zayn did, so it's back and forth their whole career.
Speaker 1:I was watching an old video. It was the Motor City Machine Guns versus Kevin Steen and El Generico.
Speaker 2:Well, that's not the same person as Sami Zayn. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, El Generico is still.
Speaker 2:He looks kind of like Sami Zayn, but he's not really Sammy Zane, though, is he? Yeah, he is. No, he's not. He's less a different person.
Speaker 1:How is El Generico a different person, he's got a mask on.
Speaker 2:You don't know who that is under that mask, just saying Sure, okay, you don't know who that is under that mask.
Speaker 1:He's like a random person with teamwork with Kevin Owens.
Speaker 2:I don't know who he's under that mask.
Speaker 1:I've seen, sami Zayn, you know.
Speaker 2:Have you seen El Generico take his mask off and see Sami Zayn under the mask? The answer is no.
Speaker 1:I've seen Sami Zayn, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've seen Sami Zayn too.
Speaker 1:You said have you ever seen El Generico take off his mask? I see El Generico take off his mask every single week, because it's just Sami Zayn.
Speaker 2:You're not seeing him take his mask off, though. I'm just saying, every time I see Eric DeNiro, he has his mask on.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen Rey Mysterio without his mask on?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, you have.
Speaker 2:No, no, I've also seen Rey Mysterio take his mask off. That's the difference Rey Mysterio took his mask off and showed his face. Eric DeNiro has never taken his mask off.
Speaker 1:Are you sure about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know who he is under the mask, so you can say he's Sami Zayn. I don't know.
Speaker 1:So if I ask Sami Zayn if he's El Generico, he won't say anything.
Speaker 2:He's going to say no. He's going to say he's a good wrestler, but no, he's not El.
Speaker 1:Generico, he's Sami Zayn, you think Just saying Go ahead Well yeah, I think Kevin Owens is going to win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, seministas win though.
Speaker 1:Does he?
Speaker 2:really yeah, he does.
Speaker 1:Does he really though?
Speaker 2:He does. I mean he's been losing a lot recently.
Speaker 1:Listen who he's been losing to.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, though, drew McIntyre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cm Punk, exactly Seth. No, yeah, seth Rollins, but like listen. And then Kevin Owens.
Speaker 2:He has not won a match all year.
Speaker 1:No, no, yeah, he won.
Speaker 2:When did he win a match? Didn? No, yeah, he went. When did?
Speaker 1:he win a match, didn't he like Roll up Drew McIntyre that one time?
Speaker 2:Was that with Jey Uso?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but also Someone else.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was Jimmy Uso I think both of them did it. Did Sammy do it too.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I know he got beat by Drew McIntyre, but I don't know if he rolled him up any.
Speaker 2:I can't remember either, but yeah, but yeah, I mean Sammy needs to win, though, so you going? Kevin Owens.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm going. Kevin Owens.
Speaker 2:I'm going with Sammy Just cause you going. Kevin Owens, you know I kinda want Kevin to win, but I thought you said Sammy needs to win. He does Need to win. But I kinda want Kevin Owens to win. But Sammy needs to win. I'm going with Sammy, just cause you going, kevin.
Speaker 1:So yeah, for the next match on the card is john cena versus cm punk versus joe mcintyre versus logan paul versus damian priest versus seth rollins in the men's elimination chamber match and um, everybody on smackdown. If you watch smackdown already everybody came out and I thought john cena was gonna come come, except John Cena. I thought Logan Paul was going to come out, then John Cena, but then when I heard John Cena's music, I just assumed that it was going to be John Cena, everybody did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Logan Paul comes out. That was a good heel thing to do.
Speaker 2:That was just as good as Stone Cold did, yeah, and somebody else did it too.
Speaker 1:The Miz. He does that a lot.
Speaker 2:The Miz did it With the Rock LA.
Speaker 1:Knight and someone else.
Speaker 2:John Cena.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with John Cena, yeah.
Speaker 2:He did it as John Cena.
Speaker 1:But Logan Paul didn't wear the costume.
Speaker 2:It was actually him, and Maryse did it, as John Cena and Nikki.
Speaker 1:Bell. Oh, John Cena and Nikki Bell. Oh, yeah, I remember them. Well, no, I don't remember it. Oh yeah, they did both of them. Yeah, because they had like a match at WrestleMania or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like a mixed tag team match. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But for this one, I think it's easy it's either CM Punk or John Cena. That's the only way I see it and the only way, absolutely only way I see it. Hmm, hmm, think about it. Seth Rollins, he's not winning. Damien Priest he's not winning, he's booked well, but he's not winning. Logan Paul, like, come on, man, logan Paul, drew McIntyre, he's been on a downward spiral of getting rolled up to the bloodline CM Punk, a credible challenger. John Cena, the man who is going to win. You know, there's other people John Cena, john Cena and John Cena. That's the only answer.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Maybe CM Punk. I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2:This Seth Rollins is not going to win. Nope, cm Punk is not going to win. Nope, cm Punk is not going to win why? One word Former world champion.
Speaker 1:Roman, how is that one word that was like Roman Sure, so you think he's going to interfere.
Speaker 2:Rory Rumble. Do we not remember having Rory Rumble?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, who are the?
Speaker 2:Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1:But then also Seth Rollins. That's what I'm saying Seth Rollins. I think it's going to be a triple threat at Mania.
Speaker 2:Seth Rollins and CM Punk. I just said it. Both of those guys are not winning because of one man.
Speaker 1:Roman.
Speaker 2:Yep. What happened to Rory Rumble, who made Roman Reigns?
Speaker 1:A combination of Seth Rollins and CM Punk.
Speaker 2:Okay, what happened when they got out the ring? Seth Rollins stomped him, stomped him with both feet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Both feet.
Speaker 1:I don't see how you do that and not just murder the person.
Speaker 2:Exactly, that was personal. Both feet, both feet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Kicked him with both feet, then him and CM Punk got into it, and then he stepped him again stopped him again.
Speaker 1:All the steps.
Speaker 2:You think roman's gonna let that slide like it was.
Speaker 1:It was it was so smooth like he like double stops, roman reigns and then just went straight into uh fighting sam.
Speaker 2:You think roman reign going to let that slide.
Speaker 1:Uh no.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So you're forgetting one thing too.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:One more important thing that ain't talked about in a while yet.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:What's the favor?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they haven't.
Speaker 2:What's the favor that Paul Heyman owes CM Punk?
Speaker 1:But wouldn't the favor be good for CM Punk?
Speaker 2:Yes, a match against Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1:Why would CM Punk waste his favor on Roman Reigns?
Speaker 2:Because Roman Reigns is going to cost him the Miz Chamber match.
Speaker 1:Why would he need a favor from Paul Heyman to wrestle Roman Reigns?
Speaker 2:Because Roman Reigns is not going to wrestle him.
Speaker 1:So you think Paul Heyman is going to make Roman Reigns wrestle him?
Speaker 2:That's the favor.
Speaker 1:yes, I think the favor is going to be better than that.
Speaker 2:No, that's the WrestleMania. That's the favor To wrestle Roman Reigns at WrestleMania, Because Roman Reigns is above. He's going to think he's above CM Punk. I think he's going to think he's Roman Reigns. He's been the main event at WrestleMania for the past.
Speaker 1:Three.
Speaker 2:WrestleMania straight.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, five, because I think he was 20. Oh no, I don't know.
Speaker 2:This past WrestleMania. He was both nights. He was both nights main event Before that against Cody Rhodes Before that Against Brock Lesnar. Before that against.
Speaker 1:Oh Edge and. Yeah that was Edge and Daniel Bryan that year.
Speaker 2:The Edge and Daniel Bryan that year. No, that was Edge and Daniel Bryan, and then Brock the.
Speaker 1:Edge and Daniel Bryan that year. Yeah, or they brought Edge and Daniel.
Speaker 2:Bryan again. No, that was Edge and Daniel Bryan, and they brought Edge and Daniel Bryan before that, right I think so, yeah, yeah. So it's like four or five years straight he's been wrestling in the main event, Yep. So I mean, you think he's going to want to wrestle CM Punk in a match? I guess not Him and Seth Rollins. He don't want to kill Seth Rollins Because Seth Rollins stumped him in the face.
Speaker 1:You know, I think maybe what happened? It's going to be like Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins guaranteed for WrestleMania, and then CM Punk's going to catch him.
Speaker 2:He's going to ask for the favor and then get inserted into that match. It's a triple threat match. That's what I'm saying. The favor.
Speaker 1:And there's a triple threat match. That's what I'm saying, the favor, and you know what would be better though I don't know better, but it would just be more stakes to the match If the winner goes on to night two and Rosso's John Cena and Cody Rhodes in the triple threat, or whatever.
Speaker 2:No, that's going to be night two right there. That match is going to be a night two match.
Speaker 1:Night two.
Speaker 2:Or night, one main event.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's your main event at all. What's going? What's going? Main event though, um the women's? Oh, jay jay. Jay jay was on gunther and then john cena is gonna main event um the night two with cody rose. Wait, I know no, just cause you win.
Speaker 2:Roy rumble don't mean your main event yeah, but shinsuke didn't main event wrestlemania he didn't, did he not, did he rest? He won. I don't remember even wrestlemania, I don't remember no, I think he wait.
Speaker 1:No, that was the. You were roman in the rock. No, not roman in the rock. Roman and brock, wasn't it? I think so dang yeah, that was at that the the indian apple, not indiana new orleans. Show right I think. That terrible main event.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was that. So yeah, Shinsuke won it. He didn't main event.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he should have main evented though.
Speaker 2:But I'm saying you win a Royal Rumble, you're supposed to be guaranteed a main event.
Speaker 1:Well guaranteed a match.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's not what it says. The Royal Rumble if it's the Royal Rumble, it says you are the winner of the Royal Rumble is guaranteed to main event WrestleMania. That's what it says. If you're not going to do it anymore, just say you're guaranteed a top match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:That's what they should say.
Speaker 2:Don't say main event, because you're not the main event if you're not main event.
Speaker 1:How I feel about it if Jey Uso and Gunther is not going to be spectacular. It shouldn't be main event.
Speaker 2:No so what's going to happen is Gunter and Jay is going to be night one. Night two is going to be Cody versus whoever wins in the mission chamber. That's going to be night two, because you got two nights now. Yeah, so you don't have to do it.
Speaker 1:I like the two night act best so you don't have to be up for like five hours watching WrestleMania.
Speaker 2:So night one is going to be Jay and Gunter. Main event Night 2 is Cody versus whoever happens, and we got it and we'll talk about it in a second. But, um, so yeah, I think John Cena's gonna win, just because it's well, okay, okay, here here.
Speaker 1:Here at what.
Speaker 2:Hear me out.
Speaker 1:I think I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say this, I don't want to put this out here.
Speaker 1:I think you're gonna jinx me.
Speaker 2:I don't want to put this out here. Okay, mm-hmm, sif and CM Punk. I'm going to do the same thing I did with the women's match Yep, sif and CM Punk.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're going to be booked up with Roman. Roman is not going to let that slide. What happened?
Speaker 1:to Rory Rumble.
Speaker 2:Yep Right, okay, cool, it seems wrestle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't do it, don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 2:I don't want to, I'm just going through the match. It seems like Drew and Damian are going to wrestle. Right, they're going to wrestle.
Speaker 1:Don't do it. I know what you're about to do.
Speaker 2:They're going to wrestle at Mania. It seems like they were going at each other pretty hard on SmackDown. That leaves two people.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to be the final two if Logan Paul beats John Cena no, no, I'm just saying just hear me out, though.
Speaker 2:Just hear me out, though. Think about what he did on Smackdown oh yeah he came out to John Cena music the crowd. Just hear me out, though. Just hear me out, though. Think about what he did on. Smackdown oh yeah, he came out to John Cena music. The crowd was from cheering him to booing him. Right yeah, if he beats John Cena, he is going to have. Donovan Stereo type of heat. Yeah, until.
Speaker 1:WrestleMania Until. No, he's going to have it, no, but I'm saying Until, like three Master WrestleMania until.
Speaker 2:WrestleMania. He will get booed. No, he's gonna have it. Every time he comes out, though, he will get booed out the arena, like the New Day was, and like Dominic Mysterio but one thing.
Speaker 1:I hope he doesn't, but like that would be like the biggest swerve in the history of like stuff, you know one thing I would say if John Cena won the Royal Rumble and picked Cody Rose, I think if Gunther was the person who you're going to face, if he won this, I feel like Logan Paul and Damian Priest would have a way higher percent chance.
Speaker 2:If he was going against no Gunther. Yeah, but you're not going against Cody. Oh yeah, you're going against.
Speaker 1:Cody. I just don't see Logan Paul wrestling Cody Rose, especially at Mania.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, so I think it's like I said I don't want it to be, but it's going to be between John Cena and Logan Paul.
Speaker 1:And another thing that people have said maybe John Cena and Logan Paul wrestle at WrestleMania and there's also the same thing at CM Punk.
Speaker 2:But then who's going to wrestle against Cody Rhodes? Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 1:Or Seth Rollins.
Speaker 2:Seth Rollins is going to be second with Roman Reigns. He's going to be second with Roman.
Speaker 1:Reigns. What about Drew McIntyre?
Speaker 2:He's going to be second with Damian Priest for more likely.
Speaker 1:I don't know Dang Well, there's just a lot of things that can happen.
Speaker 2:I'm going to hope Logan Paul does not win and I'm going to go with John Cena.
Speaker 1:I think John Cena and Logan Paul are going to be the final two and John Cena wins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm going to think, that's what I'm going to go to. Hopefully the opposite direction Logan wins and beat John Cena, but I think John. Cena's going to win.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. And next, the only non-matched thing that's going to happen tonight Will Cody Rose sell his soul to the Rock?
Speaker 2:No, what you don't think so, absolutely not. I don't know because.
Speaker 1:Because he has all this fancy stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, we got to remember too. You weren't born yet, but you were in the Attitude Era.
Speaker 1:Oh, not John Cena. The Rock was Vince McMahon's Corp. That's what I'm talking about. I was talking about the other one that happened around that same time too Stone Cold versus, not versus. He was Corp of Champion. Well, not, not versus, he was Kerber champion.
Speaker 2:He joined Vince McMahon. Nobody expected that one.
Speaker 1:They were like rivals for a long time.
Speaker 2:They were rivals. And Stone Cold shook his hand at WrestleMania and joined forces with Vince McMahon. Nobody expected that, and if Stone Cold can do that, anybody can do it Literally. The Rock did it and became the corporate champion, but that's not hard to believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really not.
Speaker 2:He was already going to Hollywood. Anyways, that's what it seems like they're doing. It's like the Rock is trying to be the corporate guy. He is the corporate guy.
Speaker 1:Now he's the corporate guy, he's the corporate champion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's the corporate guy. Now he's trying to make Cody his guy. But what happens if the Rock has a backup plan?
Speaker 1:Right, you know what would be crazy If CM Punk or Seth Rollins is his plan B?
Speaker 2:No, you're thinking too. No, that's too easy. What about?
Speaker 1:Why is that too easy?
Speaker 2:What if? What if Logan or John? What about John Cena?
Speaker 1:No like.
Speaker 2:What about John Cena, for instance? So think about the, think about it for a second, think about this for a second. This is John Cena's last leg.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm Right, yep.
Speaker 2:This is last WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Say he loses the Mexican Chamber.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Say Drew wins or somebody else wins.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Why would John Cena not go to the Rock, sell his soul to the Rock, have the Rock pull strings, insert him into that match at WrestleMania, make a triple threat match.
Speaker 1:But why would he join the person who's led his demise so many times, john Cena?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because this is his last match. This is his last chance to win a championship.
Speaker 1:You don't know that he has an entire year left.
Speaker 2:If he loses again? He lost the Royal Rumble If he loses the Elimination Chamber, where else does he go? Money in the bank? He's not wrestling next year, so he can't keep the belt for a whole year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So even if he does win Money in the Bank, he has to cash in before the end of the year yeah. So, even if he is in the Money in the Bank match.
Speaker 1:He's going to lose it in like six months.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. If he's going to win the belt, it has to be WrestleMania.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And he has to go on the WrestleMania run and he's going to pull a Ric Flair, which I don't think he is, because if he, okay, let's say he wins the Money in the Bank match Cool, he cashes in sometime later this year he's going to retire with the belt. Oh, he can't retire with the belt. That's what I'm saying I think it's either he's going to lose his last match or he just can't get his title.
Speaker 2:So he has to win at WrestleMania or somewhere close to WrestleMania, or somewhere close to WrestleMania, hold a belt for a little bit of time and then lose it somewhere toward the end of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If he's going to go out like that, or he could go out retired and just relinquish the belt on this last, the last day, the last show of the year, yeah, as champion, go out as champion, mm-hmm, and never actually lose his belt. You know, and I, if he ever wanted to come back, he can always say I never lost my belt, I'm on a match. If he ever wanted that, one more match like.
Speaker 2:The Rock does. But I don't know about this the Rock and Cody Rhodes thing. I mean, everybody wants to see Homelander Rhodes. Everybody wants to see that Homelander Cody Rhodes thing.
Speaker 1:But will Corporate Cody Rhodes be?
Speaker 2:Homelander though. Yes, he already showed it. He's been showing it already since the Brock Lesnar match, since the Brock Lesnar match when he busted his head with the steel with the steps.
Speaker 1:Is that another disqualification?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. He did that during the match and then he did it against Brock Lesnar. He hit him with steel steps. Nobody said anything about it.
Speaker 1:He did that with AJ Styles after the match then he hit AJ Styles. After the match, aj Styles gave up and he still hit him yeah that's a heel right but like so John Cena did that but, and he never became.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but John Cena was heel early in his career, though oh yeah, would you really call that a heel character?
Speaker 1:yeah, that that a heel character, wasn't that just like a kind of comedy?
Speaker 2:no, that was a heel character. That was a heel character but he was likable though yeah, but it was, he was a heel though. That was a heel character though too. Um, yeah, and then then you know, then cody rose with the whole kevin ornish thing. Yeah, try to him. I mean, what good guy you know trying to kill another man in the match.
Speaker 1:You know, there's this guy called Cactus Jack, but I don't know Cactus Jack wasn't a babyface or a heel, he was just a guy. How do you know if he wasn't a babyface or a heel? Everybody cheered him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He was neutral. Everybody cheered him, so he's a babyface.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he was neutral, though. He didn't care if anybody liked him or not.
Speaker 1:He's neutral.
Speaker 2:But he didn't go out there to get cheered or booed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just went out there to Every match he was in the babyface category Every single match.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what I'm saying is he went out there just to beat up people. He didn't go out there to get cheered or booed. He went out there to just beat up people in a match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was it. That was all he did. He was also this guy called Kevin Owens, like before, he was a heel. Yeah, but Kevin Owens is always, he jumped off like three stages to just to go through a table, through Roman Reigns, yeah, and it missed.
Speaker 2:But that made him a babyface because he was going against armor rings. Sometimes who you go against makes you a de facto. You know, baby face regardless. You know sometimes you be both. You can't have two baby faces or two heels rest each other a lot of times, so one of them has to be the baby face, one has to be heel yeah so that's just how it works sometimes but yeah, well, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:He wasn't like booked to be either one Cause, like the last second Adam Pierce like just canceled his thing and then yeah. Kevin Owens was the answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know man, I want to see Cody. I want to see Cody do it and turn heel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like everybody does.
Speaker 2:But I want to see both. I want to see Cody Rhodes turn heel, but I also want to see what happens when he tells the Rock no yeah, and see what the Rock has planned after that.
Speaker 1:Like what is he going to do if he says no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I want to see both.
Speaker 1:I think the Rock is going to be like if he says no, because he gives all this stuff just basically for nothing.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. I want to see both, but you can't have both.
Speaker 1:You can't do both, because you can't say no, actually yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which one do? I want to see more though. I would Cody. Well, okay, how about this? You can get both.
Speaker 1:Can you really?
Speaker 2:go, yeah, you can get. You can get Cody saying no to the Rock, the Rock's backup plan, whatever that is yeah, and you can get home under Rose after he loses at WrestleMania. I guess, Because of the Rock.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Because he said no to the Rock. The Rock's going to cost him WrestleMania and loses his belt. What if the Rock's going to cost him at WrestleMania and loses his belt.
Speaker 1:What if the person who fights Cody Rose at WrestleMania is the Rock's Corbett Tramp?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying and that person beats Cody Rose because of the Rock or if the Rock puts himself in the match.
Speaker 1:I mean, he is the Corbett Tramp. He can do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2:He can do whatever he wants to do. He's the boss. He's Triple H's boss, technically yeah. I guess, so he can do whatever he wants to do. Why?
Speaker 1:would Triple H put someone above himself.
Speaker 2:He didn't put himself above him. Who did? The people who owned the WWE? Oh, that's weird. They put the Rock up there.
Speaker 1:I thought Triple H did that.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. That's not how that works.
Speaker 1:Does Triple H not have that type of power? No, oh.
Speaker 2:No, he runs the WB. Him and Nick Khan run the WB, and then the Rock is on the board of TKO.
Speaker 1:Isn't Nick Khan the person who runs AEW?
Speaker 2:No, that's Tony Khan.
Speaker 1:Oh, Tony Khan.
Speaker 2:Tony Khan. Yeah, nick Khan is on. It's on the. It's got to be same last name, but no relation. I don't think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would be crazy if it was really.
Speaker 2:it would be crazy, but it's no relation I know of anyways, but anything else though.
Speaker 1:Uh, nope. Sure Uh I mean, I just don't see anything else that breaks up what I predicted. I personally, I think I'm going to go four for four, like the Wendy's meal.
Speaker 2:Okay, sure, okay, we'll see. Alright. So there's nothing else left. Alright, I'm Ben. I'm Bash For the episode of.
Speaker 1:Tag Team.
Speaker 2:Talk.