Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
The Road to Glory: Breaking Down WrestleMania 41 Night 1
Ben and Bash dive into their predictions for WrestleMania 41 Night 1, analyzing each match on the card and offering insights into potential outcomes based on current storylines and wrestler trajectories.
• Rey Fenix expected to defeat El Grande Americano, with speculation about Chad Gable's involvement in the mysterious character's identity
• New Day predicted to defeat War Raiders for the World Tag Team Championships, revitalizing their recent heel turn
• Disagreement over Jade Cargill vs Naomi, with discussion about wrestling experience versus momentum
• Strong confidence in Jacob Fatu defeating LA Knight for the United States Championship
• Debate on whether Charlotte Flair needs another title reign against rising star Tiffany Stratton
• Jey Uso favored to complete his underdog story by defeating Gunther for the World Heavyweight Championship
• Seth Rollins supported to win the main event triple threat against Roman Reigns and CM Punk, representing wrestling's future
• Paul Heyman's loyalties questioned with potential to influence the main event outcome
• Analysis of championship prestige and what makes a truly great champion in modern WWE
Make sure to follow us for our Night 2 predictions coming soon, and let us know if your WrestleMania picks match ours.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk. I'm Ben. I'm Bash. It's time to lace up your boots and hit the mat with the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2:All right, here we are for another one. We are going to be doing our predictions for WrestleMania Night 1. So yeah, let's get to it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so yeah, let's get to it. Okay for the unofficial first match. First match on the card it's Rey Mysterio vs El Grande Americano that changed.
Speaker 2:Remember Rey Mysterio got hurt, so it's going to be Rey Phoenix now so Rey Phoenix vs El Grande Americano.
Speaker 1:so I think we all know how this ends Rey, not Rey Mysterio. Rey Phoenix unmasks El Grande Americano, and so I think we all know how this ends Not Ray Mysterio. Ray Phoenix unmasks Grande Americano, and it ends up to not be Chad Gable. We all know how it ends.
Speaker 2:It's not during the match, though.
Speaker 1:No at the end.
Speaker 2:Oh, they make like a little switcheroo at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like Chad Gable goes under the ring and somebody else comes out. Yeah, yeah, maybe it's going to be Chad Gable in the match wrestling. He's going to be wrestling in the match, but maybe at the end, when they get ready to pin him he may go in the ring somebody comes out and they unmask him.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think Ray Phoenix wins. For that reason, you think Ray Phoenix wins.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, I'm glad. Well, I mean, is that Chad Gable though?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean you know you've never seen them in the same place the same time. So I mean I don't know. I mean we saw both of them the same time earlier when it first happened. We saw both of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I mean people think it is. I mean it looks similar, but until you take the mask off you're not for sure. Another thing is Chad Gable has been hyping up El Grande Americano for a long time yup, he has, but I mean, who knows?
Speaker 2:but yeah, so Ray Fink that should be a good match. I mean, yeah, ray Fink just debuted. I don't see him taking a loss this early. He just debuted. What? Early this month? Yeah, so I really don't see him taking a loss right now. So, yeah, I got Ray Fink as well. I mean, hopefully El Grande has a good match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's his first showing at WrestleMania. Yeah, I wish Chad Gale would have a match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2:You know he needs a match at WrestleMania, but I guess first up would be El Grande having a match which you know second best, you know.
Speaker 1:Because he wrestled just like Chad Gale.
Speaker 2:Similar. A little different, but similar.
Speaker 1:A little more lucha, yeah, but yeah, for the second match on the card is the War Raiders versus the New Day for the World Tag Team Championships. Um and the War Raiders are the champions, but, um, I don't know. Um, this is a tough one because it's going to be an okay match. You know it wasn't that much of a build. Most people are expecting B and E post-match. You know it wasn't that much of a build. Most people are expecting be post match, but, um, yeah, uh, but I don't know. I'll probably pick the new day because I think they need it more. And since they've been on this hill run, they haven't really done anything except their big heel turn, uh, which is known as the known to most people as the biggest heel turn of 2024. But yeah, they haven't really done anything. So I think this should really help them boost their heelness or their heel turning.
Speaker 2:So you're going for a new day? Yep, yeah, I mean what the COVID always says at the end of the day get your knees, hands in the air. Thank God for the new day, I mean. Yeah, I mean people still mad what they did for Newt, for against Biggie, I mean is Biggie coming back?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean, if he's not coming back then they have to get rid of him eventually. I mean you can't keep holding the carrot out there hoping Biggie comes back. He never does get eventually cut up loose. If he does come back then maybe they can. They can mend that fence when they cross their bridge and get there. But as far as right now it goes, you can't have a new day and biggie involved, when biggie may not ever come back to wrestling as a wrestler. I mean, he's doing the commentary and you know the pre-shows and all that, but he he hasn't wrestled in almost three years now.
Speaker 1:He hasn't wrestled since he got injured.
Speaker 2:You can't have the New Day with Big E and he's not there. He could have been a manager, but who wants to do a manager when you want to be a wrestler? A lot of times he can't do that New Day by far. I think they're going to win Second longest reigning tag team champs of all time behind the Usos. So yeah, I mean Hill Turn hadn't been 100% like people want it to be, but it's been good. They've been getting booed, they've been their Hill persona is going into it good. But yeah, I got the New Day again winning, uh, doing their legacy again for the greatest tag team of all time, no questions asked. I mean they're up there. If you don't have a top five with New Day in it, you don't know tag team wrestling. That's just point blank. I mean that's, that's pretty much it, right there.
Speaker 1:But um, that's what you want to say.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:Okay, and for the third match on the card is Jay Cargill versus Naomi and um for this one. I think that's pretty clear cut. I think Jay Cargill is going to Clear cut though. Well, I mean not as clear cut as I'm saying, but like I just I don't know. I feel like Jade Cargill, the way she's been booked, I think she's going to win this match over Naomi.
Speaker 2:Gotcha I think this should be a stipulation match too, but it should have been, it should have been a stipulation match, but I mean too, but it should have been, it should have been a situation match, but I mean, you can get the art, yeah. But yeah, this is probably one of the most in more intense views on the rest mania car by far. I mean, oh yeah, I mean, this led this was months in the making of who pushed jade off the car, the ramp off, the ramp onto the car. I mean, how did she end up like that? Anyways, you said, got hit in the back of the head, pushed, pushed off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Unless she got front pushed. But that wouldn't make any sense because you would see it coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean she was. But that would make sense because her and Naomi would be, could have been there talking and then boom, because had been Naomi that hit her. I mean she was even on coming.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't Bianca be there too, though?
Speaker 2:No remember, naomi Bianca was in the ring wrestling. Remember.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, remember she was wrestling.
Speaker 2:So they could have been backstage talking, just chopping it up, talking about other stuff, watching the match. Until one of the monitors back there and the next thing you know, boom, back to the head year. I mean I took her out for months, you know, and then Naomi scoops in, becomes tag team champs with Bianca and the rest is history. But to say clear-cut, I mean you're not giving me. Naomi is a former women's world champion, I mean women's champion.
Speaker 1:Not like based on in-ring ability or just. I'm just saying the way she's been booked.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, but she's crazy. She's acting crazy, though, and that you can't. You're talking about in-ring ability.
Speaker 1:They're wrestling, a regular wrestling match yeah, but Jade Cargill has the power advantage, the speed advantage.
Speaker 2:She does, but in a regular wrestling match, though? See what I'm saying. Can she? Can she hold her own against Naomi in a regular wrestling match? Yes, in the power game, yes, if it was like a dose qualification stuff like that, yes, but just a pure wrestling match. Who knows Naomi can win that match in just a pure wrestling match? Can Jade knows Naomi can win that match? It's just a pure wrestling match. Can Jade go into what they call the deep waters with Naomi? Does she have the endurance and cardio we were talking about earlier? Does she have the cardio and endurance to go the full distance with Naomi? Naomi's one of the better female wrestlers out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Jade's still new. Can she hold her own as a former world champion, women's champion, you know so I agree with everything you're saying, but I'm still picking jake cardigan still picking jay carioca. Okay, what are you picking?
Speaker 1:uh, I'm gonna pick me out, I'm gonna pick me on me, I'm picking me up because jay's already been painted once already, so it's nice that she's going to feed it right now. Yeah, she's already been pinned once already, so it's not like she's going undefeated right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's already been pinned by Lil Morgan so it's not like she's undefeated so she don't need to win. I mean, I mean she can use the win, but why not? And will Bianca get involved after what happened on Friday night?
Speaker 1:right now, uh, no, I don't think so Okay, and that's what you're going to say for that match.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:And for the next match on the card, it's LA Knight versus Jacob Fatu. Fatu I was going to say that, but for the WWE United States Championship and for this one I don't know about you. The last one, okay, I was kind of wrong, but I think this one is clear-cut, clear-cut, you think. Yeah, and it's going to get brutalized by Jacob Fatu, unless see here on unless Sola Sokova gets involved.
Speaker 2:And calls Jacob Fatu the match Accidentally, like he did that one time remember, and Braun Strowman got the match.
Speaker 1:Jacob Fatu might even be champion. Go walking into this, if it wasn't for Sola Sikora, right then but, yeah, but I'm picking Jacob Fatu because I think he just has the most confidence and he's just ready for the US Championship.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. But I'm going to go with Jacob Fatu by far. I mean, I've been watching him since the MLW days, so I'm going to go with him by far I mean, I was telling you about him before he came to the league. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Jacob Fatu. I'm a Jacob Fatu fan, you know what I mean. But, uh, Cringe, but okay, oh, wow, that's what we're doing. Yep, that's what we're doing. So, jacob Fatu's cringe when he do it.
Speaker 1:No, that's what no.
Speaker 2:He's cool when he does it. But yeah, I'm going with Jacob Fox to win night and state championship undefeated. Haven't been pinned yet still going to be undefeated after Wrestlemania.
Speaker 1:Going to be backlash against who knows who yeah but undefeated, still going to be LA Knight uh, yep, I'll agree with everything you're saying yep, by far, no question, that is Jacob Fatu uh, but for another match on the card is Tiffany Straton versus Charlotte Flair for the WWE Women's Championship, and this rivalry has been really heated ever since that um one promo. That was kind of like it was a bad promo and also good at the same time it was what they call a shoot promo. Yeah, it was super off script.
Speaker 2:It was what they call a shoot promo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, from that moment it started, but I mean they had to be.
Speaker 2:Well, Tiffany went off script a little bit because of what happened when they were doing the sit-down interview. Yeah, I think they were doing the um, the sit-down interview, yeah. And I think charlotte went off script now, yeah, and it messed tiffany up and she, she kind of got um she admitted it too she kind of got flabbergasted and she didn't know what to do because she was new. So she realized that, okay, I'm gonna get her back when we go back. You can only get her back is that the 013 reference yep?
Speaker 2:that was completely off script and you can tell the way Charlotte reacted to it. She didn't have a comeback to it, that's how you tell.
Speaker 1:I think that's why Tiffany Stratton left the ring so quick.
Speaker 2:She did, of course. Of course she did. She probably would say something else right then, but she said she left the ring right then.
Speaker 1:yeah, uh, but yeah, oh, uh, but it's I mean, it's charlotte flair, uh, uh, as soon as she comes back, she's almost guaranteed um to win. But it is in las vegas. So you know, luck is always on everybody's side, and and maybe luck isn't on people's side today, uh, tonight, but um, uh, but I don't know. Um, I think, um, tiffany Stratton is gonna lose this match to Charlotte Flair. You think so amazing match, but Tiffany loses, hmm, hmm before that promo happened, I would have said Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 1:What before the 0-3 promo Mm-hmm. Now, I don't know what makes you change your mind.
Speaker 2:Because I don't know which way, because Charlotte doesn't need to build.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Charlotte Flair though.
Speaker 2:Tiffany hasn't defended her build that much. You know, it's almost like the. I understand Charlotte's Charlotte Flair, I get it, but she beat Asuka, she beat Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, she beat her once. She beat Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2:Yes, she did oh yeah, she beat her once, yeah, yeah, she's beating all these young not young people that are called Asuka, but these new people that are the and kill their momentum. She's like the female John Cena, you know. Like she's getting people that are starting up burying them and not caring about it, Like she doesn't need the belt. Like, look at what Roman Reigns has been doing. We'll get to him later. Look at what Roman Reigns has been doing with the belt. He's still selling tickets. He's still being entertaining without the belt in his hand. You know, CM Punk, same way. They're still entertaining. Charlotte Farris should be able to do the same. She should be able to do the same thing like Roman Reigns. If she's that good, she's been doing the same thing Roman Reigns is doing without a belt. Seth Rollins, CM Punk all these guys. If she needs the belt to be relevant, then is it about the belt or is it her?
Speaker 1:Dang.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, I'm just saying Like for real, Like she's what 14-time women.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Two more she'd have her dead.
Speaker 1:He was for like 30 years, she's only 10 years in she's 10 years in she's bound to be at this point.
Speaker 2:She's like 10 years in and got 14 belts. That's more than one a year.
Speaker 1:Damn, I didn't even realize Exactly.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. That's not even a whole new belt in one year. That's quick time of reign. I mean she wins the belt and then loses it, wins it, loses it, wins, loses. Like at least like Roman Reigns or Triple H. Those guys don't have that many title reigns because they helped the belt for.
Speaker 1:so long yeah. If you look at Roman Reigns, instead, I think he only has four, four or five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean Bruno. How many times did he have a belt? Not that many. I think like only two but he had the belt for like 15 years yeah. I mean which one is more important holding the belt long or having the most title reigns.
Speaker 1:I mean for your stats. I personally think that it's most. I mean look at John Cena.
Speaker 2:He's on his 20 plus years of wrestling and he's at was Tyrus 16 right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he's at 16. 20 plus years of wrestling yeah, he's been close to 17. Hadn't even got it yet. Will probably get it this weekend, but look how far he has to go. Charlotte is right there. You mean, tell me 10 more years. He can't get two more wins. Yeah, two more wins. Yeah, three more wins, four more wins, championship wins, and then break John Cena's record or whoever else, or Randy Orton if he gets a couple more wins. I mean so, yeah, I don't know. I mean Timmy Stratton. I'm sorry I went a little right there, but Timmy Stratton. I think Timmy Stratton needs to win and she deserves to win and she's been doing good. Her promos have been way better than when she started off at NXT. I think Louis Kaiser's been helping her out a ton. I mean he doesn't get a lot of credit himself. I mean he definitely deserves more credit for himself. I mean Gunter. I mean, yeah, gunter gets all the credit because he's a world champion.
Speaker 1:But people, forget about Kizer being just as good as Guntur is.
Speaker 2:As far as a wrestler promo guy all-around wrestler too yeah you know, maybe he'll get a mid-carp run sometime this year as well.
Speaker 1:That's what everybody wanted for Survivor Series.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Maybe he'll get another one sometime this year too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything.
Speaker 2:I agree with what you're saying, except. Tiffany winning yeah, if you pick a Tiffany away. That's just a losing bet.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's what you see. Okay, but for the opening, actually the opening for the, I think opening right, like it's good there, which is J who's this place, this place, it, they said they're just going to probably open the card up, and we'll know until it comes on, but they said it's going to open up though.
Speaker 2:They said it's going to open up Saturday, and then the women's triple threat is going to open up Sunday.
Speaker 1:I think that's what he said, yeah it's for the World Heavyweight Championship and J Yeet-a-mania, yeah, but there's always one like that yeah, you had a yes movement, you had the Kofi-mania.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you always have something like that every few years and those guys finish the story. You know Daniel Bryan won. You know the yes movement. Kofi Kingston won doing the Kofi-mania Yep. Can Jey Uso win doing the yeet movement?
Speaker 1:Mm doing the Yeet movement or Yeet Mania, can he win? Yeah, but yeah. But like you're saying, yeah, yeet Mania. And like I was saying, but like you said, all those people overcome, and I think he overcomes the challenge and I think Jimmy Uso comes out post match. You think so? Yep, yep. So I'm picking Jey Uso.
Speaker 2:Do I go with my heart or do I go with my brain?
Speaker 1:I guess your heart is going Jey Uso, but your brain is going Gunther.
Speaker 2:Yep, exactly Because I want to see Jey Uso in it. It's a great story. I mean being the backup to Roman, then being the right-hand man to Roman, then getting beat down by Roman hell in a cell, then leaving the bloodline, becoming a Jey Uso, then leaving the bloodline, becoming a major J-Hood soul, then becoming the geek movement, going through all that, challenging Gunther losing, winning the Royal Rumble, beating John Cena in the Royal Rumble, to be exact. Challenging Gunther going through that storyline which kind of fell off a little bit, then picked back up Gunther beating down Jimmy. I mean, pretty much, you do it outside of wrestling. You're going to jail for that. But but Jey Uso as a world champion, if Kofi can do it, jay can do it that's your mindset, yep if Sammy can beat Gunther, jay can beat Gunther good mindset, as long as he doesn't come out playing.
Speaker 2:You cannot play around with Gunther.
Speaker 1:He will destroy you if you do, jay was looking to be good, good mindset, good months, as long as he doesn't come out playing.
Speaker 2:You cannot play around with going through. You will destroy you if you do. I wonder what his ring gear is gonna look like. Don't know. Blow, why maybe. Yeah, hey, blow white, white, blue, mm-hmm, but we'll see. But yeah, I got a date, so I'll get a loser with that one.
Speaker 1:Yep, but we'll see. But yeah, I got J Lo, so I'll get J Lo. So with that one, yep, yeah that's what you're going to say for that one Yep, that's it, okay. And in the main event it's Roman Reigns versus Seth Rollins versus CM Punk. Main event that fast, yeah, all right, With Paul Heyman in CM Punk's corner.
Speaker 1:Man that's a good one, yeah, and for this one I mean I might be a little bit biased, because Seth Rollins is probably my favorite professional wrestler, at least in WWE. But yeah, I think it's going to be a moment between Saffron as a CM Punk and they're both talking to Paul Heyman, and then Saffron's going to take that opportunity because he is the visionary and the architect. So I think he's going to plan out his moves and overcome CM Punk and Roman Reigns, but I do not think that he's going to join Poe.
Speaker 2:Who? Seth Rollins. So who do y'all win? Seth Rollins, seth Rollins. Now here's my dilemma with this. Seth Rollins is 100% correct in everything he's said so far leading up to the resume.
Speaker 2:Roman Reigns shows up when he wants to, but he's earned that right to do it, just like Brock did. That's in his contract. He can do what he wants to. That's in his contract. He's a prize fighter. He doesn't have to show up when he wants to. He shows up when he wants to, not when he has to when he wants to. That's in his contract. He doesn't. He's a. He's a prize fighter. He doesn't have to show up when he wants to. He shows up when he wants to, not when he has to, when he has to. You know so, not every week, but big time fights.
Speaker 2:Is that good for the fans? No, is it good to have a world champion when he's a world champion who's not on TV for months at a time? Used to be if you didn't defend the belt for more than a month, your belt got stripped from you, then From Reigns. Get the belt and don't defend it for two or three months. Nobody says anything about it. Like Sir Frum said, is that good for the business If other wrestlers, if other new wrestlers, younger wrestlers come up acting like they want to have that same treatment. Is that good for wrestlers to be like that and not want to show up to work and win a championship and not want to come to work?
Speaker 1:Nope, and sometimes not all the times, but CM Punk that's a thing too, just like CM Punk.
Speaker 2:Cm Punk left for nine years Bad mouthed WWE for years Sued him bad mouthed.
Speaker 1:LB for years, suit him. Like Seth Rollins said, he tried to burn the flag and then raised it up with everybody else.
Speaker 2:Exactly he left LB, talked bad about him for years, sued him. People still cheer for CM Punk. Years after years after years, you still heard CM Punk in every arena. You still heard CM Punk chant almost every single time. Chicago went crazy. Cm Punk chants and he never once said anything about it, not one thank you or nothing. And then, before AEW was even a thing, wwe chanted CM Punk. And where does he come back to? Like Seth Rollins said, not WWE, not the people who've been loyally with him for 9, 10 years. Yeah, it's AEW. He went to AEW. Nothing wrong with that. He can do what he wants to do. He's a grown guy. He's a grown man. He can wrestle where he wants to wrestle at.
Speaker 1:But, like Seth Rollins said, the guys who gave you the biggest paycheck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the big fat check, the big fat check which is AEW. And what happened to AEW? You did good for a little bit and what happened to AEW? The same thing happened to me originally. You burnt the bridge, you got into a fight over I think it was Glass or something like that. It was a real Glass versus fake Glass whatever it was, you vs fake glass, whatever it was. Got into a fight backstage, got fired, world champion had the bill got fired or whatever case. And then he came back to WWE, like Seth Rollins basically was saying would he be in WWE right now if he never left AEW?
Speaker 2:or would he still be in AEW, like Dean Ambrose or Jon Moxley, as Pratt and Young. See what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what Seth Rollins is saying. What Seth Rollins is saying is CM Punk doesn't care about the fans. I'm a CM Punk fan, as you can see. I'm a CM Punk fan by far, but, like Seth Rollins is saying, it's true, like I wanted to see a Punk come back for 10 years. I was waiting for him to come back Anytime I was in Chicago. This might be a time. This might be a time For years, never.
Speaker 1:And then, when it finally happened, you didn't think it was going to happen.
Speaker 2:And then, when it finally happened, I never thought anything would happened. You didn't think it was gonna happen. If I haven't ever thought I didn't have anything to happen, I said he's not coming back because the way he left I didn't know him too much had a phone call. Yeah, right before that, you know, I know he had a phone call with that. But it happened. He came back.
Speaker 2:It seems like he's a different person. He's a little older now. He's not the young guy anymore like he was when he left original 10 years. But he did lose 10 years of his life, of his wrestling career, which is a long time to wrestling, yeah, you know. Now he's going to be seven years, I think, total, I think to AEW first for about two years. I think two years, I think so. Like, I think two years, I think so. Like Seth Rollins said, the way CM Punk did, just get your, take your ball and lead when stuff gets hard. Do you want the young kids to do that? Like Seth Rollins said, this match is for the future of the company and me personally as a wrestling fan. For 30 years now at least 30 years now I like my champion on TV every week, if not every week, a wrestling fan for 30 years now, at least 30 years now.
Speaker 2:I like my champion on TV every week. If not every week, every other week, I like to see my champs on TV.
Speaker 1:These are some really good points, but the main point is who wins the match?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm getting to. I won't see him puncture win because I'm a fan of his, but for the sake of pro wrestling I need Seth Rollins to win. Like I won't see him Punk to win because I'm a fan of seeing Punk, but for the sake of pro wrestling I need Seth Rollins to win. That's like Seth Rollins says wrestling I need Seth Rollins to win. That's like Seth Rollins says. We need somebody like Seth Rollins for the kids, like somebody who's going to show up day in, day out. Hurt messed up, knee messed up, back shoulder messed up. Whatever. The case is Just like when Cody came up with that bicep pick tear Wrestling match against Seth Rollins. Matter of fact. Then we had to do how he got surgery. When he got surgery, seth Rollins' WrestleMania last year Hobbling on. You see, when he got in the ring with the chair, his knee was soaked. For him he couldn't get in the ring. That's why it took him so long to get in the ring when the shit was going on.
Speaker 2:That's why I take him so long to get in the ring. He couldn't even get in the ring because his knee was so jacked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Back was messed up and you've got to think he wrestled a match right before that or right after that, and he took time off after that match too, because he was hurt. You've got to think his schedule for WrestleMania 40. He had a like a crazy long match, a first night and the second night the open back-to-back wrestling matches, and then at the end he still, he still comes out for the sake of professional wrestling to get the bell from rain to get the coat of robes.
Speaker 1:Yep, and that's what needed to be and that's what needed to be done.
Speaker 2:Everyone still might have been champion if it wasn't for that yep, and so, for the sake of pro wrestling, I need Seth Rollins to win. That's what I'm going with, I mean. But this build up though back to the second, this build up has been amazing. Like I thought it was just going to be Seth Rollins and CM Punk. I didn't think about Roman Reigns at first.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was trying to figure out how Roman Reigns was going to insert himself into this match, because I knew Seth Rollins and CM Punk since day one. When CM Punk came back, I knew, okay, seth Rollins and CM Punk wrestled WrestleMania. I knew that from day one.
Speaker 1:It was either going to be Seth Rollins and CM Punk or Drew McIntyre and CM Punk.
Speaker 2:But because CM Punk and Drew McIntyre had their feud pretty much that whole rest of the year leading to this year. Yes, that was up with. So then it's okay, Seth Rollins and CM Punk would have a feud at WrestleMania. Didn't even think about Roman Reigns having a feud. Yeah, I mean, it makes perfect sense. The way it happened. He interfered in the Steel Cage match. Well, broke Roman first, elimination first, then came back in the Steel Cage match, pulled Seth Rollins out, called Seth Rollins to win but in the process stopped Seth Rollins from destroying CM Punk.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But also called CM Punk to match. So now Seth Rollins was mad at Roman Reigns because he stopped him from beating down CM Punk. Cm Punk mad at Roman Reigns because he caused him to lose. They both were mad at Roman Reigns cause he caused him to lose mhm. So both of them are mad at Roman Reigns yeah, and it was also.
Speaker 1:There was already the tension between Seth Rollins and CM Punk, so that was already there, exactly, that's already there when you put Roman Reigns into there, it's just a trio, it's just a, a trio of features, and then we know what Seth Rollins Reigns.
Speaker 2:History is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm sure, cm Punk and Roman Reigns with the Paul Heyman situation. And then we got Paul Heyman in the mix, one of the greatest voices, managers in history of wrestling. Like I said before, we're texting. If you don't put Paul Heyman in the top three of your greatest managers, you're not a professional wrestler. He's up there, he's top three.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he's two or three. Yeah, I mean, for my list he's number one. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He's top three and I don't think he's two or three. So, but the question is what is Paul Heyman going to do? Is he going to turn on CM Punk or on Reigns?
Speaker 1:and become. Seth.
Speaker 2:Rollins for, like you said, for the second pro wrestling punk, and I kind of want to see Paul Heyman drop with Seth Rollins and see what that looks like. I've already seen him with CM Punk.
Speaker 1:I think Seth Rollins would be great with Paul Heyman. I've already seen him with.
Speaker 2:He was technically Paul Heyman, already with the Shield oh yeah, technically because, remember, if you listen to what Seth Rollins said, it was Paul Heyman who made the call for the shield to come up with help to see him in the first place. We didn't know that, but that's what Seth Rollins said in the interview, that Paul Heyman made that call for them to come out and help see him punk out. So and what's that favor?
Speaker 1:yeah.
Speaker 2:Paul Heyman owes Super Awesome favor.
Speaker 1:I mean technically not, that doesn't make any sense, but it's a favor. What?
Speaker 2:I'm saying is he could have stuffed his face in, and then he would not have been arrested.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he didn't.
Speaker 2:You owe me a favor now. I saved you. I could have done this, but I didn't. You're welcome, now you owe me. Yeah, it yes kind of messed up, but that's what happened, just like Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns didn't agree to the give CM Punk no favor yeah he didn't ask for no help. That was Paul Heyman agreed to a favor. Roman Reigns didn't need that help. He was good at going following forward at WarGames.
Speaker 1:He was good with that. He needed that fifth guy yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but yeah, seth Rollins, I think saw him want to win or need to win, rather Need Seth Rollins to win this match. But yeah, anything else, I think it'll be a good night one.
Speaker 1:Yep, it sure is Anything else going on.
Speaker 2:Nope, good Yep, all right With that being said, I'm Ben, I'm Bash. It's a new episode of Tag Team Talk.