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Championship Chaos: Who's Walking Out with Gold?
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Wrestling's biggest weekend continues as we forecast the explosive potential of WrestleMania 41 Night 2 and make our predictions for who walks away with championship gold.
• Women's World Championship disrespect angle could lead to Bianca Belair capturing gold with possible Naomi interference
• Dominik Mysterio poised to win Intercontinental Championship by pinning Finn Balor, changing Judgment Day's power structure
• AJ Styles facing Logan Paul in what could be match of the night, with potential Mr. Beast appearance in the Prime box
• Damian Priest likely to defeat Drew McIntyre in brutal Sin City Street Fight by embracing his darker "Punishment Martinez" persona
• Becky Lynch expected as mystery partner for Lyra Valkyria, with questions about Bayley's controversial removal from WrestleMania
• John Cena favored to win record-breaking 17th world championship against Cody Rhodes with potential Seth Rollins interference
• Randy Orton's open challenge speculation centers on Nick Aldis or possible returns from Sami Zayn or Rusev
• Questions raised about women's mid-card championships not being defended at WrestleMania despite two-night format
Episode Introduction
Speaker 1Welcome to the Ben and Bess Podcast Tag Team Talk . I'm Ben , I'm Bess . I'm going to lace up your boots and hit the mat with the Ben and Bess Podcast Tag Team Talk .
Speaker 2Alright , here we are for another one . This time we are going to do Night 2 for WrestleMania 41 . Let's get to it . 41 . Let's get to it .
Women's World Championship Triple Threat
Speaker 1Okay , for the first match on the card , it's Io Sky vs Bianca Belair , vs Rhea Ripley for the Women's World Championship , and recently on Raw and just in general , they've been disregarding Io Sky Because at the um , what was it called ? Wrestlemania ?
Speaker 2kickoff .
Speaker 1Rhea Ripley mentioned . Rhea Ripley mentioned really said that she always envisioned herself against , against Bianca , but then when you add EO in there , but what they said , they keep adding like , add EO or stuff like that , like she's the champion and like they're basically like like not even like like saying her as a threat .
Speaker 2Basically , I mean , it was supposed to be in bianca and rio because bianca won the mission chamber , yeah , but then he'll had a rematch .
Speaker 1So I mean , rio dropped the ball and lost the bill but I think that the underdog story , I think um e Io Skye overcomes the odds and retains her championship .
Speaker 2Is it Yep ? Nothing else .
Speaker 1Nope , wait , wait a minute , wait a minute , wait a minute . I'm going to change my prediction . I'm saying Bianca Belair wins and I'm going for bonus points .
Speaker 2Naomi helps her win , you changed your mind to Bianca yeah why didn't you say EO ?
Speaker 1cause you took my pick oh , you were going to say Bianca . Were you going to say the Naomi thing too ? Yep , you could say go say it , say it . I was going to say Bianca , though but that's it .
Speaker 2Are you officially switching to Bianca ? Yep okay , so I guess we're on the same page with that one . I'm going to go with Bianca as well . I mean , she's been getting booed even though she she's done nothing wrong . She's been right about everything . I mean , she did nothing wrong . She didn't win the Warrior Rumble . She didn't win it . She went to the Nation Chamber . Instead . You win in the Nation Chamber , they tell you you're going to get a WrestleMania opportunity . Okay , she did that Against the champion . Who's the champion going to be by now ? Monday ?
Speaker 3Night .
Speaker 2Raw Cool . Rhea wrestled Io Scott Against the champion . Who was champion gonna be an hour Monday Night . Raw cool , real Russell yo Scott . River River Ripley is host to hell business she did . She lost the yo Scott . Okay , yo Scott's most rest of the uncle bill there playing a simple in discussion . Why is river play ?
Speaker 1the match . I might get it , but why isley in the match ? I mean I get it , but why is she in the match ? Because she weaseled her way in .
Speaker 2But I'm just saying , that's what I'm saying Like she shouldn't be in the match . She lost her belt .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2I mean , yeah , she gets a rematch , but why did she have to get a rematch at WrestleMania ?
Speaker 2She's had two months to get a rematch and she waits till now and she waits till now she could have been at a rematch , you know , and she waits till now and , like Bianca said , you're you know she's taking my shot away from me . I did what I was supposed to do and we really just sign the contract , put her name on the contract and get the title shot pretty much , and that and that and that messes up Bianca's odds too . Exactly , Scott Starner says 33 . And third chance to win yeah .
Speaker 2Goes from 50% to 33 and third of winning now . So I mean , I don't know . I mean I'm going to go Bianca . I was going to go Bianca anyways , no matter who . She wrestled at WrestleMania , just got things in her ear again . I mean , she's undefeated at WrestleMania . She hadn't beat Rhea Ripley before . She has a losing record against the EO , as they said . So this is , and it keeps her strict alive for the rest of mania . You know now , will Naomi help her out , you know , or will she feud with somebody else later on ? I mean , yes , I'll match that backlash next month . So I'm going gonna go with Bianca now .
Speaker 1But , um , for the second match on the card is from breaker versus Penta , versus Finn Balor versus Dominic Mysterio for the WWE Intercontinental Championship , and
Intercontinental Championship Fatal Four-Way
Speaker 1this one it's pretty difficult because all of these are very like people , like people who could carry the intercontinental championship very well . Um , um . I've seen a lot of people predicting uh , dominic mysterio , which I'm kind of surprised because I didn't think that many people want dominic mysterio with as the . But yeah , I think they're just going to tease Dominic Mysterio winning but Penta picks up the victory , yeah .
Speaker 2So you're going with Penta .
Speaker 3Yep .
Speaker 2I'm going to disagree and I'm going to be one of those people I'm going to go with .
Speaker 1I'm going to go , I'm going to be one of those people I'm going to go with Dominic Mysterio with it . But who does he pin ? I don't know . Finn Balor maybe . Yeah , most people are saying Finn Balor .
Speaker 2Finn Balor . They say Mm-hmm , that's what they're saying . But no , I'm going to go with Dominic Mysterio winning off a simple fact of he's been doing literally the best heel work in recent memory . I mean , he's been getting and he's and he turned to his dad two , three years ago . How long ago was that ? Yeah , when , edge , I mean when .
Speaker 3Edge was in the .
Speaker 2AEW . I mean , how long ago was that ? I mean that was at least a couple years ago , three years ago at least it was there because the climax to it was WrestleMania 39 so this is 41 . So 39 , this is 41 , so think about how long ago it was yeah so here we are now and he's still getting booed the same way .
Speaker 2he was back then , yeah , and hadn't died down yet . So if you know that's good heel work , Now he gets rewarded for the heel work . I mean , what better way ? I mean you know what better way ? And then that leads to him becoming the leader of Judgment Day Because he beats Finn Balor , you know . Because , Finn Balor's in the match too , yeah so if he beats Finn Balor and pans Finn Balor .
Speaker 2Now what happens ? You know so . But yeah , I got Dominic Mathieu winning that match . It should be . I mean , ron Breaker is the rookie out of all of them . Technically he is . Yeah , technically . I mean , dominic Zierer has been wrestling for a while .
Speaker 3I guess I mean he's been wrestling , I mean before he came to the beat , he was wrestling all around .
Speaker 2I mean he was training . I mean so , yeah , he's been wrestling for a long time , but Raymond Zierer trained him , right , had him trained all around the world yeah so before he came to WWE , so you know . So I would think Brian Breaker would be the , because Brian Breaker played football .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2So he played football first and then came to WWE Dominic Ciro . All he done is wrestle . That's all he's been doing .
Speaker 3I mean he was wrestling .
Speaker 2He was a kid .
Speaker 3Yeah wrestling .
Speaker 2He was a kid , yeah , and the whole eddie girl ring stereo custody over dominic ladder match . So he's been in wb his whole life , pretty much . So he's been wrestling even longer so but , yeah , I'm gonna go with donald stereo . Uh , winning , winning championship .
AJ Styles vs Logan Paul Predictions
Speaker 1Um for the third match on the card . It it's AJ Styles versus Logan Paul , and this match I feel like it's go either way . You know , if you noticed , on Raw , karrion Kross had his hands behind his back when AJ Styles did the Styles Clash . I didn't notice that . Yeah Well , I didn't notice it either until until until people pointed it . I tell people pointed it out , but yeah , but yeah , um , yeah , but I think , um , hmm , I think I think AJ Styles is going to win this match . But I have a side prediction and I get bonus points for this . If I'm right , I'm predicting that Mr Beast is going to be in the prime box you think the prime box is gonna be in the crime box yep , it has to .
Speaker 1He's done it . Every single Russell , many , except of his first one .
Speaker 2I don't even think prom was out back hmm , it's not gonna be the prom ball again yeah mr beast this time , mm-hmm . Mr Beast , part of prom .
Speaker 3No .
Speaker 1So why would he be in the prom Speed ?
Speaker 2wasn't either , though . Yeah , but I guess I was .
Speaker 1Yeah , but at least Mr Beast has a company with Logan Paul . Feastables , not Feastables . Lunch Week , it's a Lunchables not ? Yeah , I guess so .
Speaker 2So it still makes sense yeah , maybe if he wants to do it , but he's gonna . Whatever happens , though , he's gonna get it . He's gonna take a spot . Yeah , because he wants to take a spot . He played football before how long goes that ? I and I saw Speed . They actually took spot . So I mean , here's I who took a spot , and I know Speed did one in WrestleMania .
Speaker 1In the room .
Speaker 2In the room .
Speaker 1And he got nasty gas on his leg for that .
Speaker 2Exactly . So he actually took spot , but yeah . I don't know , maybe somebody can buy us a Prada bottle . We'll see . But you done with that , did you ?
Speaker 1pick . I picked AJ Styles .
Speaker 2This should be a good match . I mean , aj Styles is getting there in age but he still puts on good matches regardless , you know , I mean he's still , like I said , you know , up there in age , wrestling with 20 plus years now , but he can still hang with the best of them as far as wrestling goes um logan paul not the biggest fan , logan paul , but not many people but you give somebody respect with respect is due and so far in wrestling he has been good .
Speaker 2I mean just point blank , he has been good as a wrestler . You know . So you know , respect is due , respect is due regardless , and Logan Paul has been good . I mean , it seems like he's serious about it . At first I wasn't sure if he was gonna take it serious and and just you know , just something , something else to do you know , but it's not like I should take this serious .
Speaker 2It seems like he's actually learned how to do it . He's getting better on . His promos took out going from most , though wrestling ability . I mean he's athletic already , and it's like a wrestling ability gets better time against the ring . I would like to see him wrestle more , though , because he's kind of doing the Roman Reigns without earning that pocket .
Speaker 1Yeah , the only thing he's really done is won the United States Championship .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm saying it's like he's doing the Roman Reigns and Brock , but he hadn't earned the right to do that yet . Yeah , like he should be on TV , if not every week , every other week , you know , to earn their respect .
Speaker 3I mean he may be backstage every time .
Speaker 2I don't know , I'm not sure he may be backstage every time . I'm not going to say I'm not going to say he's not there every week , but he should be on TV every other week .
Speaker 1Oh no , I guarantee he's not on there every week .
Speaker 2Yeah , every week . Yeah , that's what I'm saying because , like he has other stuff to do , he hasn't got reality shows , he doesn't want his other stuff , but reality shows on film radios every day , though you feel those for a short period of time and then they're done until the next season yeah , until you just have to go again . But even then you care more about wrestling or you want to come reality show because they did total divas yeah they filmed that . Why people still wrestling ?
Speaker 2yeah , so I mean renee young still did her backstage interviews . Dean ambrose , when he was there , was still in the shield stuff , the old world champion yeah when he was on total divas .
Speaker 2Uh , bellas john cena was on there and he was still doing john cena stuff and bella twins was still doing bella stuff , danielins was still doing Bella stuff , daniel Bryan was still doing Daniel Bryan stuff . So there's nothing to excuse me for that . I mean you can still do reality shows and still do that , you know . Yeah , I mean you know technically , but did you pick who you're going to ?
Speaker 3win . Aj , styles AJ .
Speaker 2Styles AJ Styles .
Speaker 3I want AJ .
Speaker 2Styles to win , but I feel like Logan Paul's going to pull it out Some kind of way . I feel like Logan Paul's going to pull it off some kind of way .
Sin City Street Fight Breakdown
Speaker 2So , yeah , I'm going to go with Logan Paul in probably one of the better matches of the night .
Speaker 1But yeah , I'm gonna go with Logan Paul in that one . Mm-hmm . But uh , for the fourth match on the card , it's Damian Priest versus Drew McIntyre in a Sin City Street Fight , and this one I it's bound to be a good match . I don't know if they go all the way backstage , but I know it's going to be a really good fight . I like the name , because they always do catchy names for certain places . But yeah , I think Drew McIntyre needs this win more , Because he's been on a little bit of a slump recently . You think so ? Yeah , and I think this match will not boost him as much , but I think he just needs this win a lot more . But yeah , like I was saying , he needs this win a lot more . So I think he pulls it out with some crazy spot and then he wins .
Speaker 2So you're picking Drew McIntyre Fishler Yep , drew McIntyre Mm-hmm . I don't know if I want to win this match . I mean , this feud has been going on for a year now I mean technically- Since last WrestleMania yeah . When Damian Priest cashed in Mm-hmm , so do I want Damian Priest or Drew McIntyre to win , but actually you got to think about it it was before that , because they were like attacking each other , like doing like bras and stuff , when Damian Priest still had the briefcase .
Speaker 1Remember .
Speaker 2That's right , because um he didn't want Damian Priest cashing in .
Speaker 3Yeah he didn't want .
Speaker 2Damian Priest cashing in on the weight before the belt before the WrestleMania match . It was against that for us too , wasn't it yeah ? Yeah , that's all but um , I am going to go with , I'm going to go Damien Priest . I'm going to go Damien Priest , just just . Yeah , I'm going to go Damien Priest . Um yeah .
Speaker 1I'm going to go .
Speaker 2Damien Priest for this one Reason .
Speaker 1Huh Reason .
Speaker 2It's a straight fight and just the way Damien Priest , the way Damien Priest , the way Damien Priest has been , I mean the way he's been recently , with the whole fight going through and all that in the street .
Speaker 2Yeah , just that whole persona , yeah . And so if he goes back like he's been on Honor Days , the Punishment , martinez Days , then I got Damien Priest winning . You know , if he switches to that , to that , that level , and puts that switch on , then it's going to be a long night for Drew McIntyre . It's not going to be a pretty match . It's not going to be a match of the night . This is going to be a beatdown . This is going to be a fight . You know , I don't think it's going to be a match of the night . This is going to be a fight . It's going to go with Damian Priest on this one .
Speaker 1That's it . That's it For the next
Women's Tag Match Mystery Partner
Speaker 1match on the card . It's Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez versus Lyra Valkyria and a mystery tag team partner , because for some reason Bayley just got scruffed from the match .
Speaker 2Alright , before we start on this , let me go on a little rant real quick on this . We talked yesterday about Seth Rollins right , about Seth Rollins winning the match and being what's right for pro wrestling , correct and how he's always wrestling . He's always there regardless of what . He's always there no matter what .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Is that not the same ? Can I say the same thing for Bayley ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you can say the same exact thing .
Speaker 2If not more .
Speaker 1Yeah , she's there like almost guaranteed every week , unless she's hurt .
Speaker 2She's wrestled in every single brand that we had this year , including NXT Just this year . This year , yes , she was in NXT too this year . So NXT , raw , smackdown , ple , everything . And you don't give her a WrestleMania match . Yeah , that's weird . I mean , okay , we'll get into who we think , who we think is going to debut I think we got the same person but you don't give her a WrestleMania match . If this was the plan from the beginning , give her a match against Roxanne then why did matches get scrubbed ?
Speaker 2I mean , if you know this is the plan , you could have put anybody in there with Lyra . If they're not going to be in the match anyway , anybody could have been in that position with Lyra , if they're just not going to be in that match anyway .
Speaker 3Somebody who ?
Speaker 2doesn't need to be in WrestleMania anyway . Anybody in that position could be Lyra's tag team partner . If all you're going to do is take them out anyway To replace them with the mystery opponent .
Speaker 2Bayley deserves better than that . She's been a workhorse for WWE since she came to WWE . I know she's a team player . I know she's probably upset about it , but at the end of the day she's a team player . She does it the best of business . Well , just like that problem . But just like talk about Seth Rollins , just like doing what's best for business , he was the best winner for that match . I guess being punk and romerang Bailey is just like that for the women's division . She's the women's workhorse . She needs more respect for that . But to not give her a wrestlemania match , it's ridiculous . Yeah , but go ahead uh .
Speaker 1So before I predict the match , we all oh , I don't know if we all know , but like um , who I think is gonna replace bailey ? Um , I hope we have the same person , and then I just look weak , um .
Speaker 2I don't do all three one . Becky Lynch .
Speaker 1No , there you go , I'm glad yeah , so I think Becky Lynch is gonna replace Bailey right here , and I think Lyra and Becky pick up the win against Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodgers . Yep .
Speaker 2I mean , obviously , they're both from the same place , they both trained in the same place . They both were trained by Finn Balor . It's obvious what this is going to be .
Speaker 1Yeah , we know what this is going to be .
Speaker 2She was backstage when Seth won yesterday . She was yeah , she was backstage , they posted it . She was backstage the day when they won . She was backstage , Of course . She was at Hall of Fame with Seth .
Speaker 3Rollins yeah .
Speaker 2So okay , she's coming back . Cool , nothing against it . Becky Lynch is a good wrestler , but you shouldn't take away Banshee's spot to put Becky .
Speaker 1Lynch in that spot , especially like I would understand if it's like a person like way lower than Becky Lynch , but like they're like right , like right there .
Speaker 2They're part of Four Horsewomen .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2With Charlotte and Sasha , aka Mercedes .
Speaker 1It's debatable whether like Bailey's better than Becky Lynch like if they're not on the same level .
Speaker 2That's the thing . They're all . Four the four . Four horse women . Yeah , they're all on the same level . Four horse women when you got one horse woman replacing the other . It's not fair , yeah you know , I mean that's , not that's not right bailey was just world champion . Yeah , he was just world champion before . Was the tiffany cashed in on her ?
Speaker 1uh was it .
Speaker 2It was not a jacks remember she won Nia Jax , so Nia Jax , Nia Jax beat her . So come on now . I mean she was just world champion . She won last year at WrestleMania . She won a world championship .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2And this year she's not even on WrestleMania .
Speaker 3Yeah that's crazy .
Speaker 2Everybody who was in a world championship match last year was in WrestleMania this year , except her . What's interesting is she was separate . Is that accurate ? Cody versus Roman Reigns ?
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Right Seth Rollins versus Drew McIntyre .
Speaker 3Yeah , right .
Speaker 2Yeah Yo , sky versus Bayley .
Speaker 3Mm-hmm .
Speaker 2And what was the other ?
Speaker 3women's match oh shoot .
Speaker 2Was it .
Speaker 1Bianca . I don't know , I can't think of who it was right now . Wait , what's the other championship ? Oh , it was Becky Lynch and Rhea Ripley .
Speaker 2There you go , and if Becky Lynch shows up tonight , every single person that was in the championship match last year is going to be herself baby .
Speaker 1And it even applies to Becky Lynch now .
Speaker 2Exactly if she shows up , which we're pretty sure she's going to show up .
Speaker 1It's like who else if it's not Bayley ?
Speaker 2I mean it makes sense that she shows up . They're both from the same place , they both grew up together Same wrestling school , finn Balor them , I think both of them . So it makes sense , but the disrespect for Bayley though , but with that being said , I got Lyra and , I'm assuming , becky Lynch for the win against Raquel and Devin Morgan .
Speaker 1And in the next match on the card it's another
Randy Orton's Open Challenge Theories
Speaker 1misplaced person . It's Randy Orton calling out someone . And in the next match on the card it's another mistake person . It's right during calling out someone in an open challenge . Um , okay , so , um , I don't know if we have the same person on this one probably not um , but uh , you want , can I say mine ? Yeah , go ahead uh , I think that it's gonna be Nick Aldis that accepts the open challenge .
Speaker 2That's what I think too , but I just don't know , because he should have already announced it .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2I don't know , but go ahead , I'm going to go ahead .
Speaker 1I think it's either Nick Aldis or Soul Sahola .
Speaker 2Soul Sahola , that's . That wouldn't be a good . The fans will boo that . Yeah , if they was going to do that , they would already announce it . That way , the fans wouldn't get their hopes up .
Speaker 1And then I bet when Randy comes out , everybody's going to say Nick Aldis , Nick Aldis , and then , if Solosakoa , it's just going to kill the crowd .
Speaker 2Exactly so . If Solo's cool , it's just gonna kill the crowd . Exactly so . If you're gonna do that , you should already have announced it beforehand .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2And have an open challenge . Either it's gonna be the surprise or someone's coming back .
Speaker 1It has to be Nick Aldis or the fans just not gonna like this , but either way , solo Nick Aldis , really anybody except , uh , alistair , black and rusev , if they alistair black's not debuting until next week . They already said oh yeah , they already did , but like rusev . They they haven't announced his comeback could be him yeah , but like , unless it's rusev , I don't see a way to do it and losing , so I'm picking wayne , whoever comes out they're not gonna lose , especially nick aldis , because he doesn't need to win .
Speaker 2He's just doing it for if Nick Aldis comes out , he's doing it for the love of pro wrestling but Randy Orton wins no matter what , but I'm predicting that it's Nick Aldis that comes up . I'm kind of conflicted between I want to see Nick Aldis and Randy Orton .
Speaker 3I just want to see Nick Aldis and Randy Orton .
Speaker 2I just want to see a match . I mean , nick Aldis can still go , he's not that old . I want to see Nick Aldis go . He was just NWA world champ before he came to WWE . Not that long before that he lost his belt . But he was NWA world champion not too long before he came to WWE . But yeah , nick Aldis or Rusev I don't see anybody else , I besides them two .
Speaker 1Like I said .
Speaker 2Aleister Black no , because he's debuting .
Speaker 1You don't see Solo Sokoa though .
Speaker 2No , because the fans would boo that match , because that would be a swerve , that would be a slap in the face of the fans , because if that was the case , you should already have made that match when Solo came back the last time , when Randy was talking . You should have made that match back then . You should have already announced it then . But the fact you didn't announce it means that you're not sure . Yeah , which that's what . I don't think he's going to be solo , because if it was solo , then you should have already announced it then . Mm-hmm , but the fact you didn't means that you know .
Speaker 3So that's why I got Nick Aldridge for Rusev .
Speaker 2But I'm leaning more toward Nick Aldridge . Yeah , just cause Rusev is just now coming back and he gonna start off his first match back as a loss yeah , I don't think it should be Rusev cuz I don't want him to lose his first match , but because Kevin Owens got hurt , that could be Sami Zayn coming back for his best friend .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2I mean not his best friend , you know . I mean they own it all . But you know it could be Sami Zayn coming back , which is a popular crowd too , cause he ain't been back in how long since Sami Zayn's been there ? Been a while .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2So Sami Zayn could come . So I don't know . But yeah , I'm leaning toward Nick also .
Speaker 1I want to see the college , but after they go but you agree , they're ready yes , right originally , whoever it is but uh , yeah , for the yes we go see for the main event . It's Cody Rose versus John Cena for the undisputed WWE Championship .
Cody Rhodes vs John Cena Main Event
Speaker 1And well , this has had an amazing build .
Speaker 2Hold on before you get started on that , before we get started on that real quick , another little thing I just thought about why is no female mid-card belt being defended at WrestleMania ?
Speaker 1Yeah , that's a fair point , Because , like , why is Lyra in a tag team match ?
Speaker 2Exactly .
Speaker 1And Chelsea Green , like goes , like , okay , okay . Because like , why is lyra in a tag team match actually ? And chelsea green . And like because like okay , okay , it's not that the women don't deserve to be on wrestlemania . Because like , but like the type the titles just like just haven't been , like , like just built up well , like at all , like no , not these titles , um , uh , the uh , the Midcard titles .
Speaker 2Which is not been Lara and um Chelsea .
Speaker 1Yeah , this has not been built up . Yeah , like they both have . Uh , chelsea Green has a good character , uh , but yeah , but she doesn't really like defend the title all that much , and Lara just has to have .
Speaker 2I mean , I don't know why , at least put him on a pre-show yeah , it should be on at least a pre-show when wrestling it was one night , you had a pre-show . Now it's two nights . You can have one match on a pre-show yeah , I think Chelsea Green and Zelina Vega .
Speaker 1If there was a pre-show , I think they should be on it .
Speaker 2You can put that on a pre-show . At least have them defend it on a pre-show oh , another thing I just remembered .
Speaker 1Why do you remember something ? Why is that tag team match TLC , by the way , next week .
Speaker 2And not on WrestleMania . There was like an awe when Nick Aldis said next week Because they had the perfect setup for it .
Speaker 1It was just right there they just let it go .
Speaker 2It was right there for it just , they just let it go yep , it was right there for and they blew it they could have a TLC match with all the tag teams involved , mhm , and there would have been a , and Manchester Sports always does good in those kind of matches yeah like that will probably be the best match of the week , probably mhm .
Speaker 2But yeah , I'll have to say real quick , yeah , you got the . The women's . What is she ? Intercontinental champion , intercontinental champion going after the tag team championship , and she's gonna be a double champion , based on what we predicted , because she's gonna have a tag team championship as well why would she even want that ?
Speaker 1why would ?
Speaker 2she want that , unless Becky turns on her and goes after the Intercontinental Championship and calls her to match . Just thought about that myself . Just thought about that .
Speaker 1You going to change your prediction ? Hmm , yeah , I'm going to change it .
Speaker 2I'm going to change it . Yeah , I'm going to change it . I'm going to change it to Rhea , not Rhea . Liv Morgan and Raquel .
Speaker 1For that reason .
Speaker 2Yep , for that reason alone . And that will cause there's no way they're gonna put two belts on Lyra . I just thought , but there's no way they're gonna put two belts on Lyra .
Speaker 1How come ?
Speaker 2She has the pinball belts . They're not gonna do that . There's no way they really put two bills on people because they're hard to defend both of them yeah so there has to be a reason why they're doing this . They're probably going to do that . They're gonna . They're gonna make that . She's gonna come back self . Just turn heel , boom , make that turn seal , she ain't been a little while , if ever she has .
Speaker 2It's been a while , yeah , but she comes back , she turns heel on Lara Challenges for the intercontinental championship . Backlashes . There you go , yeah , but yeah , the fact that they're not defending their belts at WrestleMania , come on now , that's just ridiculous . None of them , neither one of them , but anyways , sorry .
Speaker 1Back to the main event . But like I was saying , um , this has been like an amazing build so far and um , yep , uh with the promos .
Speaker 2The promos have been amazing cody rose actually stuck with john cena a lot yeah , like everybody thought he was gonna get buried I was scared for calling for a second there he , but he held his own like yeah and all the promos .
Speaker 1Like john cena like goes into it a little bit and then cody rose just comes back yeah , it was a couple , it was one , that promo .
Speaker 2When johnson's on my barrier I said oh boy , here we go , and then , but call you , held his own in that one and I was . I was surprised , because usually that's when , that's when john cena buries you yeah like he did , roman reigns so was thekoa Austin Theory .
Speaker 1Yeah , he does the derby , all those people , it's not .
Speaker 2John Cena's fault . It's just he's just testing them . Yeah , If you want to be a main guy , you got to know how to talk on the microphone . Point blank period .
Speaker 1And he almost did it to Roman Reigns twice .
Speaker 2Yep .
Speaker 1He did . When did he do ?
Speaker 2that when he called the Rock out for having a promo reel in his hand .
Speaker 1Oh , yep , but yeah , I think John Cena wins , with the help of the Rock and Seth Rollins and Paul .
Speaker 2Heyman Yep , that's a good one . That's a good one there Trying to get bonus points . I see what you're doing there , but yeah , yeah , that's a good one , anything else ?
Speaker 1Nope , I definitely see John Cena winning .
Speaker 2Of course , I think John Cena wins Greatest record 17th time world champion . This is last year . Um , this is last year . This is last WrestleMania .
Speaker 1Anyways , yeah , um cause if not , if not now , when ?
Speaker 2wait , this is it . This is last chance . Yeah , cause he doesn't have another chance to win .
Speaker 1I mean he does where , when else ?
Speaker 2SummerSlam maybe he doesn't have another chance . When does he have a rematch ? Oh yeah , he has no need to get a rematch . But what can he ? Because he put it . I think he lost the right wrong . Today was so yeah , he put himself in the elimination chamber .
Speaker 1He didn't qualify for that yeah , oh yeah , that is fair so well , how else can he go after this ?
Speaker 2he can't put it . What are you gonna do next ?
Speaker 1put himself in the summer slam how because he's aligned with with the wrong it works , robin it .
Speaker 2I have no idea but um , but yeah , so I don't know , I guess . Um , yeah , I'm gonna go . I'm gonna go John Cena as well , but it's tough .
Speaker 1Rollins gonna help out John Cena because Seth Rollins and Paul Heyman are already together . So if they , if they put them in cells with the rock , I would just be a super power yeah , I'm thinking about what Seth Rollins has been saying about Roman Reigns and CM Punk .
Speaker 2You see , what I'm saying .
Speaker 3I'm not saying it doesn't work .
Speaker 2He might not have been all that , he could have just been saying that and he could have been delusional . He could say that and not actually mean that stuff . But I don't know that he could . He could side with John Cena for the betterment , because he can now he could be like John Cena , be like last year . You know , he helped Cody Rose out and Cody Rose didn't do a good job of holding the belt yeah , now he doesn't need the belt . John Cena is a better champion and think about it .
Speaker 1think about this for a second . Seth Rollins helped Cody Rose win the title , but never got a match for the title , mm-hmm .
Speaker 2Cody Rose didn't look his way .
Speaker 1Yeah , Like after he did WrestleMania , he didn't even do anything . Actually , he sided with Roman Reigns , which is the entire point that Seth Rollins helped Cody Rose out .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , that could be the reason . Right there he sided with Roman Reigns . That's right . Taking that never . That can do it . You're right , I forgot about that . He did . Siren running had a tag team match .
Speaker 1And that could have been Seth Rollins . Yep it should be and um , but yeah , that's why I think that he turns on Cody . I think he runs out to the whatnot , but it's not Because I was .
Speaker 1I was gonna predict that he runs out to the ring like a baby face and then about to stomp uh cena and then stomp uh cody rose , but then he can't do that anymore because they're just gonna expect it . So I just think , I don't know . I think he just like slides in the ring and like nobody noticed it and then stomps Cody Rose .
Speaker 2Referee gets knocked out or something like that .
Speaker 1The referee doesn't have to get knocked out . I mean , it's the Rock . The Rock can just fire the referee , just like that .
Speaker 2Yeah , but it's still a one-man match , though you still didn't get disqualified .
Speaker 1Yeah , but they didn't get disqualified at WrestleMania 4 . You and the Rock pulled out the
John Cena's Legacy and Future
Speaker 1Ref like five times .
Speaker 2Like hit the Ref I think I don't know , we'll see . We'll see how it goes .
Speaker 1I mean the Rock can do basically anything If the Rock comes .
Speaker 2We haven't seen the Rock since the mission chamber .
Speaker 1I mean he has to right we haven't seen him since the mission chamber .
Speaker 2I mean , you would think he would be there , but I haven't seen him .
Speaker 1So I mean , everything was something yeah but uh , so you're thinking John Cena yep , I'm thinking John Cena , with the help of the rock .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , I'm also thinking John Cena like this bill has been amazing , though . Uh , you know John Cena's last year of wrestling . I don't know if it's going to be last year of wrestling period , like a thing , or his last year of wrestling full time like a Bryan Danielson . I don't know which one he's going to do .
Speaker 3The way it sounds .
Speaker 2He's done it .
Speaker 1Yeah , because Ric Flair didn't do that , but I think John Cena is serious about it . Well , it sounds like he wants done .
Speaker 2yeah , I was like Ric Flair didn't do that , but I think John Cena is serious about well , it sounds like he wants to do what the rock did , like he's already guys on TV show he does .
Speaker 1Oh , I didn't know there's a separate those like .
Speaker 2So this nice boy oh yeah , don't TV show like season 2 or 3 now , but um , but yeah guys on TV show in movies . So I think he's going to transition to like full-time Hollywood , like the Rock did , yeah he's actually in a couple games too . Exactly so . He wants to do that full-time , and so he wants to do that . But then Willie Dover from coming back , he's gonna go into Hall of Fame .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , definitely .
Speaker 2So he's gonna come back to the Hall of Fame eventually , but the Ross is not in the Hall of Fame , eddie .
Speaker 1Dang , I didn't even realize that . So Nah , he should get inducted tomorrow .
Speaker 2Well , it's rocking the Hall of Fame . It's rocking the Hall of Fame .
Speaker 1No . I don't think so , because when he gets announced they don't say Hall of Fame , because they said Booker T , two-time Hall of Famer , and now they say Triple H Hall of Famer .
Speaker 2Yeah , Triple H is a two-time Hall of Famer as well .
Speaker 1Oh yeah for . Dx and .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , yes , I don't know if John Cena's going to be gone full-time , full-time , or he's just going to be gone just part-time like a Bryan Danielson , but regardless of what it is , he gave us a good 20 years . I've been watching him since day one , since the first time he debuted against Kurt Angle with Rufus .
Speaker 1Aggression dang , that's crazy . I didn't know .
Speaker 2I mean , didn't know who he was , didn't know he was going to be this , 20 years later you didn't know John Cena was going to be John Cena , no , nobody did , nobody did . If you say you knew he was going to be world champion , you're not telling the truth . There's no way .
Speaker 1He's going to be the luckiest person in the world to say that .
Speaker 2Is that just like if you saw Stardust , you would say he'd be world champion ? Absolutely not . No way , there's no way you saw Stardust wrestling and say that's going to be a future world champion .
Speaker 1Yeah , no , there's no way , absolutely not .
Speaker 2I don't think that was on anybody's bingo card . It wasn't . It was not , absolutely not . So to see those two guys close out WrestleMania , cody used to be Stardust , which that was a hard game . That was a hard game .
Speaker 1Oh yeah . That was hard , especially to get over too , but he was kind of over though he was , but it wasn't gonna go . Yeah , it wasn't like , like , even if you get like over , like they will , yeah it's like go with us brother . You know his brother , dustin like what's the biggest accomplishment he did when the tag team , but he wanted . I think I understand him but yeah , the big wolf , like that's what I'm saying , but that's .
Speaker 2That's about how's your whole big car ? You're not going higher than that yeah well , you have to leave . I mean , he was making me , you know , make get mad at him for leaving , going aw , but he had to leave in order to get to the next level yeah , because if he didn't go to aw and all those other places , where would he be now ? Exactly he had to go and get to the next level . He had to .
Speaker 1So he might have been at the spot alone , that , oh , or like someone like otis , just like a dead gimmick . Just like a dead gimmick , you know yeah , but that's .
Speaker 2That's basically what you have to do , though . You have to go to the next level , and when you did that , he came back . Yeah , he had to step away . Sometimes you gotta leave somewhere in order to get to the next step .
Speaker 2It's hard work sometimes , you know , in life , sometimes you gotta step away in order to get where you wanna go , to get to . You know , sometimes you feel like you might be stagnant sometimes and you gotta step away or move , change pace , change something to get to the next one . You know , to get to the next one , you know , step out on a limb and then do something different .
Speaker 1So that's what Kobe did .
Speaker 2He built himself . So far it's paid off . You know John Cena . When he turned to the doctor of economics , boom Instantly changed . Spinnerbilt came . Then he became world champion . Boom , boom , boom , boom . Now it's John Cena , one of the greatest of all time , if not the greatest . You know who you talk to yeah
WrestleMania Night 1 Reflections
Speaker 2getting ready to break rick flair's record for most championships in history 17 . Well , 16 of rick flair tied right now 16 .
Speaker 2You could have 17 by the end of the night , yeah , so but yeah , john cena so far is what I'm gonna to go with when , like I said , seth Rollins possibly involved in the match . But yeah , so far this has been a well wrestling night . One is pretty good . Second half was good . First half seemed like a raw episode wrestling night one the second half felt like raw .
Speaker 1No , first half , oh , I was night one .
Speaker 2The second half felt like a Raw . No first half .
Speaker 1Oh , I was about to say the second half .
Speaker 2Second half was good . First half seemed like a Raw yeah , a Raw Raw Plus almost Like it was like a super version of Raw .
Speaker 3Like Raw on Netflix kind of .
Speaker 2Like a Raw yeah , like Raw on Netflix , like a bigger version of Raw . But then second half got good .
Speaker 1Especially main , bigger version of Raw . But then second half got good , especially main event , you know .
Speaker 2But the main event , like it's like , it's like a five star for me .
Speaker 1The main event say WrestleMania night one that's for sure , you think so for sure , I mean , it would just , it would just been a regular PLE yeah , I think it would be like like I think it was like a , b minus , and then the main event made it maybe like maybe an A yeah , I mean , like I said , night one .
Speaker 2The main event saved it with Paul Heyman doing the double turn . I think .
Speaker 1I think if you look back on like it , like in a , like a , like a couple of years or like down the line somewhere , if you look back on WrestleMania 41 , night one , it'll be remembered for the main thing .
Speaker 2Yeah , like I said , paul Heyman doing the double turn , sliding the chair to CM Punk , low blowing to him . Roman Reigns thinking oh , I got your back , we're good . I'm giving the chair to Roman Reigns , letting Roman Reigns beat up CM Punk it was kind of weird , though .
Speaker 1Cuz like Paul Heyman just like followed Roman Reigns like right behind him . Is that not suspicious ?
Speaker 2No , he didn't .
Speaker 1He was like right across from him .
Speaker 2But what I noticed though I don't know if you picked up on it , I let the replay again today , when he low-blowed CM Punk , he was almost crying a little bit right .
Speaker 1He was .
Speaker 2Well , he was upset , remember he was like . He was like you made me do . I'm sorry , sorry , you know , kind of like that yeah when he loved those rubber rings , he didn't have any emotion yeah , you know what I'm talking about , you notice that I didn't notice that yes , I don't know if that anything , if he was , if that was I I , I know , I thought those tears were like angry tears yeah .
Speaker 2So , but yeah , I'm curious to see what happens . If they're going to be on Raw on Monday , they should be on Raw on Monday , after Raw , after Raw .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , they have to be . Especially Seth Rollins' entire like thing is he's the workhorse .
Speaker 2Yeah , exactly he should . If he's not on Raw on Monday , then everything he said is not true . Yeah , just interdisc Exactly Everything he said makes him a hypocrite . But yeah , Ready to see night two . Let's get ready to see night two and close this year's WrestleMania . Out and get ready for Backlash .
Speaker 1Backlash is probably going to be good .
Speaker 2Anything else ? Nope , that's it . Yep , all right . Probably gonna be good . Nope , yep , all right . So I'm being I'm back with episode of tag team talk .