Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
AEW All Out Preview
Ben and Bash preview AEW All Out, breaking down each match on the stacked card and making their predictions for the pay-per-view event.
Join us for this preview that captures all the nuance, excitement, and strategic implications of AEW's event, happening alongside WWE's competing show. Wrestling fans face tough viewing choices this weekend let our analysis help you navigate this celebration of professional wrestling at its most dramatic.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2:I'm.
Speaker 1:Ben I'm Bash. It's time to list up your boots and hit the mat with the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2:All right, here we are for another one. We're going to be doing AEW All Out, so pretty big weekend for wrestling this week. You got All Out coming on and then later on that night you got the first WrestlePalooza, the WESPN. So, yeah, let's get to it.
Speaker 1:All right For the first match on the card. It's Darby Allin versus Jon Moxley in a coffin match. So for this one a coffin match you just have to put your opponent in a coffin right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a coffin match. Okay, Same as a casket match same match.
Speaker 1:So, um, for this one I feel like it could go either way, but I think I mean, the Death Riders probably have a part in this too, you know. Um, but I'm probably gonna say Darby Allen, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, darby Allen you got the death riders, though. So yeah, I think the death riders are gonna be there. So you say you got Darby. I mean Darby just coming back. Yeah, I would say I mean Darby just coming back. Yeah, yeah, I would say. I would say I would say Darby again probably. Yeah, I mean like it's harder because God, dang Garcia just turned. Yeah, I'm still with Darby, though Still with Darby pulling it off. He always pulls out crazy stuff especially in a match like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be a bloody match. I mean, it's going to be some blood in this match for sure. You already know that. But anytime Moxley match, they add Darby. Come on now. It's going to be some greatest match, but it's going to be. It's going to be a hardcore match for sure. That's how you should call it, yeah, but um.
Speaker 1:For second match on the card it's Mark Briscoe versus MGF and a tables and tacks match. So for this one it's just a normal match, but there's tables and them texts is that what it is?
Speaker 2:I mean, let me double check. Pretty sure I think that's what it is. Uh, it's the tables and thumbtacks match yeah uh, yeah, it's basically those qualification match.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah, it's just a nose qualification match. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Yeah, it's just a nose qualification match. So pretty much, so pretty much anything can go in this match. It looks like I mean, obviously you can go in there and have tables and thumbtacks, but basically it's like a nose qualification match. It's just like a stipulation where it's just something, you know, like a bloodline match or something like that, or Marshall's ball match, what the bitches do back in TNA, stuff like that. It's just a stipulation match, but it's basically no qualification match. Probably no rules. Only way to win is probably inside the ring submission or pinfall. Yep. So who do you guys want to have?
Speaker 1:So for this one, I mean, I feel like MJF probably would win, but I don't know, what do you think I'm probably going to say MJF, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to say MJF just because he's still trying to go for a title yeah, and I would say MJF is still. I'm going to say MJF just because he's still trying to go for the title yeah, and I would say MJF is still—I'm going to say MJF is going to win this match. I mean, mark Briscoe's a good wrestler, but MJF, I think, is going to put out more underhanded tactics, you know, more heel stuff. It's like he always wins these kind of matches, it seems like, because he always can do something you're not expecting him to do. So, yeah, I mean much like the Briscoes, especially Mark Briscoe. You know all of them. But yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go with MJF to win this one, just because he's trying to get back to a title picture. I mean, he still has the contract in his hand, correct?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, I'm pretty sure I mean he still has the contract in his hand, correct? Mm-hmm, I'm pretty sure. So he still has the title match when he wants, because when he wrestled Adam Page before, the contract wasn't on the line.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because of the stipulations. So he still has that match. So I think he needs this match to get himself back on that trajectory. To win. He'll get back to his belt, as he called it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you're going to say I'm GF2? Yeah, I'm going to say GF2 so for our next match, it's Cope and Christian versus FTR. So for this one, cope and Christian. They just came back. Ftr turned heel on Edge or Cope um uh, and so I see this going either way, but I'm pretty sure Cope and Christian are gonna win, given storyline yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say Cope.
Speaker 2:I mean especially with, uh, one of the guys from FTR broke his nose. Uh, yeah, well, he broke his nose. Yeah, you didn't see him. Well, I know he's bleeding, but I didn't know he announced today broke his nose the other day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he broke his nose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you didn't see him.
Speaker 1:Well, I know he's bleeding, but I didn't know. He broke his nose.
Speaker 2:He announced it today. He broke his nose so he's still in wrestling. He probably still had one of them mask on. He had one of them mask on to be wearing. I didn't wear one of them, breaking nose, but what 10 years? Mm-hmm, something like that. I just don't see them losing their second match back as a tag team. I mean, granted, this should be a good tag team. I mean, you got two of the best tag teams in history wrestling each other. Granted, cope and Christian aren't what they used to be, you know, 15 years ago, but they're still one of the greatest tag teams of all time. Look what the Hardy boys are doing right now. Yeah, you know so just wishing we had that last, that last match with all three of them Dudley's, hardy's yeah because the Dudley's challenged the Hardy's and if they were still in the company, they could have did a triple threat.
Speaker 2:I wish they could, but it doesn't like it's going to happen.
Speaker 1:And they're back together too. That would make perfect sense.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, but sometimes it has to happen that way. But so for right now, until if we get to that point, but for right now we're just going to be glad that Adam Cope and Christian are back together for the first time in years and hopefully still have that camaraderie and that tag team cohesiveness like they did before. But yeah, I'm going to go with Adam Copeland and Christian Cage to win Work their way back up. It should be one of the better matches on the card too. I mean the whole card is stacked, but this should definitely be one of the better matches as far as tag team matches for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so for next match on the card it's Mercedes Monnet versus Rio for the AWTBS Championship. So, mercedes, she has a bunch of belts, um, so I don't see like her losing for a long time any of her belts. Really, I don't see her losing for a really long time, at least not the main belts.
Speaker 2:Anyway, she may lose some of the smaller belts, yeah, but not the main belts?
Speaker 1:I don't think yeah, so I see her just pulling out yeah, and Rio's just not coming back too.
Speaker 2:Uh, I wonder where she's been at all this time. But yeah, she's coming back. Uh, challenging Mercedes, yeah, I mean, unless something happens, I don't see Mercedes losing the belt in this match. You know it's a thing. There's something like that comes out, interfere, cause for the match or something like that, but and then that would have her go out there and think that's where I want to win the championship. But unless something happens, I don't see her losing, which not right now. You know she's the bill collector for a reason. That's what she's doing. So, yeah, I don't see her losing. Should be a pretty good women's match. Rio does pretty solid matches and we all know what Mercedes has been doing over the years from different companies. I don't know if it's AEW what she does. So, yeah, should be a pretty good women's match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have Mercedes, yeah, mercedes, yeah, yeah, mercedes and yeah, but for the next match on the card, it's the Hurts Syndicate versus Ricochet and the Gates of Agony and a trios match. So for this one, mvp's also in this match, which I didn't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's part Hurts Syndicate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I was confused how were they going to do a trios match? Because I didn't know. Yep, he's probably hurt, so naked. Yeah, because I was confused. How was they going to do a trios match?
Speaker 2:Because I didn't know MVP was still currently wrestling. Yeah, he doesn't wrestle all the time anymore, but he still does. I mean he's 56, I think.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Yeah, so he's up there in age as far as wrestling goes, but he's still young, because these guys can wrestle longer, or wrestle older rather. So he doesn't wrestle as much, so he's not putting his body through as much wear and tear as somebody who wrestles all the time at that age.
Speaker 1:He's also doing a tag team type match, exactly.
Speaker 2:So y'all don't do as much. Plus, you got Shelton and Bobby two of the better motors in wrestling as far as cardio and endurance and stuff like that, so he won't do too much in this match. I mean, he do his normal MVP stuff and then just sit down and hype his team up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And watch Bobby and Sheldon win Win.
Speaker 1:That's what you think. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it's like this. I like Ricochet. He's been doing some great work since he's been in AEW, I mean top tier, you know. Gates of Agony, that's a great combo with him and with Demi Ricochet, it's a great combo, yeah, so you know, I mean you got three guys who a year ago, you know, people were like huh, now they're part of the main picture. They're on there every week. Whether it's a backstage interview or doing something in the ring, they're on TV pretty much every week. Now, you know. So Gates' acting went from not being on TV or being on RTV. And then Ricochet, we know what he did.
Speaker 1:That was his last thing before he left yeah, he was still in the company like in September-ish yeah yeah, but but yeah so it should be a good match.
Speaker 2:Though I mean as much as I want to see Ricochet and Gacy Agnew win, I just don't think they can match up with Bobby and Shelton. I mean any P can kind of do what he does, but Bobby and Shelton are just too together, too strong. I just don't see them all beating them. You know them two anyways. So that's why I'm going with Bobby. I mean I'm not going to be mad if Rick Shaker wins.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to be, mad if they match either. I'm not going to be mad if they match either Either one of these teams I root for, but I got to pick somebody, so I'm going to pick Bobby and Shelton to win.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that, but I don't know. I think Ricochet just does something To let his team win. So I'm going to say, ricochet, it's good. Yep so yeah, to let his team win.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to say Ricochet.
Speaker 1:Damn, that's good.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yep, so yeah, for the next match it's Big Bill versus Eddie Kingston, and Eddie Kingston was turned match right, or did he have a match before?
Speaker 2:I think this is his first match back. Yeah, I'm like, this is his first match back. I didn't see him. Did you see him wrestle? I didn't see him wrestle.
Speaker 1:No, I'm pretty sure I think he just came out yeah.
Speaker 2:But um, he's been out with injury for a while.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I feel like with anybody. Unless it's just a rare occasion or the storyline, I don't see him losing, especially to Big Boo.
Speaker 2:Especially in his first match back from injury too. Yeah, yeah, so you got Eddie Kingston. Yeah, so you get a case yeah, I bet yeah, I got.
Speaker 2:You can't say one or two, so he should win. I said he's back from injury, came here with kind of rehab, but he's been out for a while with injuries or it might be only one injury or multiple injuries or whatever case was, but he has been out with injury. Um, he's back now wrestling big bill, which is probably down on the pre-show, but it's eddie kingston and he's the main roster guy or main main event guy really. I mean he wrestled for the title a few times yeah and he's back now uh, do you ever win the total?
Speaker 2:no, no. But yeah, this should be a not say easy match, because it's Big Bill Not going to disrespect Big Bill at all like that. But Eddie Kingston, unless he's rusty which he could be he should win this match pretty good. I mean, like I said, unless the people come in and get involved or something like that happens.
Speaker 1:But just one-on I think Andy Kingston wins this match pretty easy. Yeah, but for the next match on the card it's Brody Overs, the Young Bucks versus Chet Speed versus the Don Callis family for the AEW Tag Team Championships.
Speaker 2:Is that one Brody, though Brody Versus who else?
Speaker 1:Young Bucks versus Chet Speed versus Don Callis.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So for this one I don't know. I don't see the Young Bucks winning because they're doing the whole storyline with their money and Nicholas spending all the money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of it, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:He's just handing it out like candy. Yeah, as soon as he got it First time he got money, just handing it out like candy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as soon as he got it First time he got money, he handed it out like that, then they're probably going to go broke again, because of that, unless they win the bills, then they can get them back into the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then Matthew's actually using common sense though, but I hope it's not with them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I don't think their characters work separated. What I'm saying is, hopefully, the way they're doing it, with one of them is doing this and the other one is doing the opposite, I hope it's not with them to break up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, because it's easy to be the way you break them up right here, hopefully that's just the way they're going, but hopefully that's not the case, hopefully they stick as a tag team Please for at least for a little bit more time. You know I mean eventually. I know they probably want to break up eventually and do their own thing, one-on-one, like the hearties did and I'm coping, christian.
Speaker 2:Any great tag teams always break up at some point time even though Brothers always every great set will all gonna say new day because it's Kofi and his a person together. But most tag teams break up eventually. You know most great tag teams eventually break up at some point in time, you know. But yeah, so I'm going to go with. Who are you going with on this one?
Speaker 1:I'm going with Proteo.
Speaker 2:Proteo? Yeah, I mean as much as I. I would like to see what happens if the young Bucks win. Yeah, I really want to see what happens if the young Bucks win. I just don't think they're going to beat Brodeo right now yeah they just won a championship what?
Speaker 2:earlier this summer, yeah, so I don't see them losing that fast. I mean it's fast, I mean it's AEW, though they could lose the belt overnight, but I just don't see them losing right now. So, with that being said, yeah, I got Brodito to retain and defend their belts, but it should be a pretty good tag team.
Speaker 1:Yeah definitely.
Speaker 2:All four of those teams are pretty solid wrestlers too, mm-hmm. So.
Speaker 1:That's what you're going to say. Yeah, my next match is Okada Tekechte and Mascara Dorada for the AW Unified Championship. For this one, I mean, they all won the qualifying matches, so yeah, but Okada the continental title he had right.
Speaker 2:No, it's the Unified.
Speaker 1:No, no, like the one he had before.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been holding that title for a very long time and I don't I mean he could lose, but I don't see him getting beaten or pinned, so I'm going to say Okada to win.
Speaker 2:Yep, I'm going to go on a wild card here because I want to see the storyline develop. For this, I'm going to go with Tekechka winning.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they're both in a Dunn College family. Well, for right now, I want to see what happens when Tekechka wins and now he's the champion and Okada's not. Do they get a rematch? I want to see what that storyline goes. You know nothing to take away from the other ones, but I think it's a two man race between Okada and Tekechka, you know. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Tekechka for storyline purposes, and I'm just curious to see how they do it with the, with Dunn College, both of them in Dunn College family and one of them beating the other one for the belt. And plus it's a four way, so you don't have to pin Okada to win the belt.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He can pin somebody else to win the belt, he don't got to pin Okada Mm-hmm, which makes it even more exciting for the storyline If he doesn't pin Okada and wins Okada's going to win this belt back, mm-hmm, and he's not going to give it to him. He's already acting, already a little bit. Yeah, you got me on for college then, yep, okay, all right, cool.
Speaker 1:So you're saying the catch too, the catch yep. Mm-hmm. So for the next match on the card is Thomas, tony Snoddler versus Jamie Hader, versus Chris Datlander versus Tecla for the AW Women's World Championship. So for this one, I mean I'm pretty sure it could go. Actually I think it's between Tony and Jamie Ager.
Speaker 2:Honestly yeah, this is a tough one, though all four of them can go in the ring you know, I mean, yes, this is really a tough one though. I mean, do you take the bill? Really a tough one though? I mean, do you take the bill off of Thomas after what she's been doing? Because whoever gets to bill after her is going to have some big shoes to fill.
Speaker 1:I mean she has to lose it eventually she does.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Is this the time you lose it or not? Because this is, you take the bill for her. The's going to have a lot of pressure on her. Yeah, you know. I mean, just look at anybody who has the belt for a long period of time and the person who gets the ass thrown. Can they hold the belt the way the other person had it before them?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. That being said, I mean all of them. I mean Tecla's, new to AEW, not new to wrestling, but new to AEW. I think she used to be Julia's tag team partner in Stardom. But then you got Jamie Hayter you know fan favorite by far, one of her first matches back since from injury. Chris Statlander all that's been solid. Not sure what's going on with her. And you know Mox and all them. You know Death Riders and all that. She's going to join them and join with Marina, like this could be the beginning of them getting together. If she loses this match, then she goes to join them and become a tag team with Marina.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Or whatever the case is, but it looks like she's going to it seems.
Speaker 1:It seems like she's going to do what Dana Garcia did and join them eventually. Not sure if it's going to be on this show or a different show. The Death of Riders are again as much people as the Don Callis family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, so I got it for me. I got it between Jamie Hinder is good. I don't know if she's going to win her first match. Back, though, tegla has a lot of momentum. She's becoming a crowd favorite. The little spider thing she does, kind of like Bray Wyatt used to do, but instead of doing it from the ring rope she does it in the middle of the ring, which is a little different. Yeah, so I think it's between Tecla and Tony, but I don't think right now is the time to take the belt from her right now. It's the time to take the belt for her right now. So I'm going to go with timeless to retain the belt for her right now, and maybe she loses it toward the end of the year, I think At World's End or something like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so you're saying timeless, are both of you in there?
Speaker 2:I'm going with timeless, but I think it's between timeless and tecla. I think one and two is going to win, but I'm going to edge out on Tony.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So for the main event, it's hangman on a page versus Kyle Fletcher for the AEW World Championship, and the stipulation is if the Don Kyle's family gets involved. F Fletcher is DQ'd and he's also stripped of his title.
Speaker 2:His TNT title. Yep, that's how it works. That's what the stipulation is. So, it's going to be a legit one-on-one, go ahead, I'll say what I think.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, but yeah, that's what I was going to say. They can't get involved. So there's no shenanigans, at least from them. So I'm gonna say, even if someone else gets involved, I just don't see Hangman losing. He, I mean, he didn't just get it, but like it's pretty fresh you know it's pretty fresh, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Uh, you couldn't have, you couldn't have a loophole where it's not somebody from Don Cal's family yeah they didn't say. They didn't say no interference at all. They said no interference from Don Cal's family. That's a specific thing. So if Cal Fletcher wants his old taxing partner you know old taxing partner without with an injury, um, if he was to come back and join Cal Fletcher and Don Calell's family he wouldn't be in Don Cowell's family technically right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, until he joins.
Speaker 2:Until he joins, so technically he wouldn't be in Don Cowell's family. If it's somebody that's not in the family right now, they can use that as a loophole to bring up him interfering in the match, because it didn't say if they're the Calvary's family.
Speaker 1:Every single one of these matches, just another Don Calvary's person appears, or someone who's, because they're strong, yeah.
Speaker 2:He had a conglomerate right there, he had a bunch of people. It's crazy. But yeah, I want to see Calvary win, but didn't that make him a double champ? And, like you said, heyman just won the belt too.
Speaker 2:but this is because then this mjf feud with cal fletcher I mean I don't think like they're too huge, I don't think they're because I think mjf's gonna get his belt back yeah, definitely but so do you put the belt on cal fletcher for a short period of time until MJF comes and gets it, or do you keep it on Adam Page and let him and MJF feud over it?
Speaker 1:I think you keep it on hangman yeah that's the question. I'm going to say hangman.
Speaker 2:If MJF didn't have that contract in his hand, I would say Kyle Fletcher? You would? Yes, absolutely, because there's no threat to him right now. Yeah, but because MJF is still out there with the contract. If Kyle Fletcher did win it, he wouldn't have the belt that long before MJF cashed in on him, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:That wouldn't be fair for him to have his first title match, his first title run in like that within a few weeks after he wins it, because he's too good of a wrestler to not have the belt for at least a few months.
Speaker 1:So you think MJF's going to use the contract in a couple of weeks?
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying just in general. I was just throwing a number out there, maybe a couple of times. I'm not saying if Kyle Fletcher wins he will, or after he's in the hardcore buddy match and he's on the ground, passed out, then he may come out, you know. So I'm going to go with Adam Page to retain, but I really want to see Kyle Fletcher win though. But it's just hard to go against Hangman right now. The stuff he's been doing, ever since he's been shooting with Swerve all the way up to now, he's been doing. He's been having solid matches across the board, you know. So, yeah, who you going for On yours?
Speaker 1:Heyman, heyman too.
Speaker 2:Yep, okay, so I can hold for Heyman. This is a pretty stacked card. Like I said, we didn't even touch on the. I think it's three pre-show matches as well, but yeah, this should be a pretty solid weekend. I'm sure they're gonna bleed over into the other one, though I'm sure I think AEW starts at three, I think, and and usually that's a little- it's probably four, right like probably four hours yeah, it's probably gonna be about four hours and then and then because I suppose they start at seven they start at seven so that's gonna be right into it it's gonna, yeah, the couple, the last couple matches are gonna probably be at the same time Rastapulso starts, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean I really wish they would stop, you know, counter countering each other like that, or WWE especially, and then like but like they were all at the same show, right, but like AEW moved theirs back, but it's still or no, they didn't move it back, it's just the time zone.
Speaker 2:No, it's Toronto. No, is it? No, they're in Toronto.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh Well, they just moved it back, which that helped, but it's still a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's giving people an option. I just don't understand why they have to come on at the same time.
Speaker 1:WWE's just trying to be the number one top people.
Speaker 2:I mean, at one point in time you had WWE coming on Sundays and then moved to Saturdays and then AEW started coming on Sundays.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I wish they would go back to that and AEW started coming on Sundays.
Speaker 1:But—.
Speaker 2:And that way you can have Saturday for one and then Sunday for the other. If they're on the same week, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, WWE, since TKO bought them right, Mm-hmm, They've just been for money and they're just trying to make the most money. I mean that's the business.
Speaker 2:That's what business do Business want to make the most money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like—.
Speaker 2:But you're making those fans choose. We shouldn't have to. I mean, I can get WCW, wwe back in the day they were trying to put each other out of business and they were legit trying to put each other out of business. They both came on Monday nights, you know, I remember I mean you weren't born yet, but I remember switching back and forth, trying to watch both of them and it was hard to do. You might, you know you might have a match on here and forget oh, shoot WCW's on, switch to WWW and then that match is over with now Because you're looking at WWE, or vice versa. Wcw had a match on and you missed a segment on WWE. You don't know what happened there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know so. But AEW coming on Wednesdays, raw's coming on Mondays, man, they're coming on Fridays, you don't miss anything. Yeah, fridays, you don't miss anything. So I don't understand why you don't have their PLEs or previews on different dates. I mean, you got four weeks in a month. Four weeks in a month, I mean both of them come on this week. Then you got three weeks for you to have anything on. You know so. I mean there's enough room for both of them to be able to put shows on without them kind of producing each other on the same day. You know, yeah, but but anyways, enough of that. But yeah, I'm just looking forward to both of them. Hopefully we can watch the most AEW and, uh, then get into watching Reza Palooza, because it's going, both of them are going to be big cars, the way it looks Both of them are. So, yeah, anything else you have to look for yet? Nope, all right. So, with that being said, I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
Speaker 2:This has been an episode of Tag Team Talk.