Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
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Ben and Bash: Tag Team Talk
WrestleMania Saturday Predictions
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We run down WrestleMania Saturday from the opener to the main event, picking winners and calling out which stories feel hot versus which builds fall flat. We dig into stipulations, possible returns, and the kind of chaos WWE can use to make Night One feel must-watch.
Welcome to the Bened Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
SPEAKER_04I'm Ben.
SPEAKER_00I'm Bash. It's time to listen to your boots and hit them out with the Bened Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
SPEAKER_04All right, here we are for another one. Um, you know, this is the where we're doing WrestleMania Saturday. So we're gonna do that right now. Yeah, so WrestleMania Saturday, you know, this is the Super Bowl of wrestling. Uh, you know, everything that's been going on uh all year since uh last WrestleMania. Mainly, I guess the story rumble saying, but this is not the storyline since Mix 10 that's been going on for the past year. But yeah, this is the culmination of you know all the hard work, all the storylines, you know, all title matches and all that kind of stuff. Uh so yeah, this is you know what they call the uh superstars, superstars kind, and people who won't won't. Yeah, but uh so yeah, as always, we're gonna get to the predictions, what we think's gonna happen, possible storylines, and all that kind of stuff. So uh yeah, let's get to it.
Unsanctioned Match Chaos Preview
SPEAKER_00All right, for the first match is Jacob fought two versus Drew McIntyre in an unsctioned match. And I think this has been one of the better built matches in WrestleMania car.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Probably the I'll probably say the second, maybe third, best match video. Mm-hmm. Second or third. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But um uh yeah, so probably um um it's you think it's gonna be a long match?
SPEAKER_04Yes, it's it's gonna be so the first two matches are uh gonna be an hour on ESPN.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So they're they're probably gonna try to put as much as they can in that hour. So yeah, they're probably gonna have that's probably gonna be a long match. Especially since the vision, the the the six minutes to next match.
SPEAKER_00I think it's gonna be a shorter match.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if it's gonna be shorter, it's gonna be a regular, I think it's gonna be an average length match.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think the Drew versus Jacob is definitely gonna be longer because you got two veterans who can who can go. Yeah. I mean, this could easily have been an Iron Man match. I mean, they could just they could just as well put an Iron Man match here.
SPEAKER_02You know, yeah, but it doesn't really work for the storyline, though.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well I mean last man standing match actually worked better for the storyline.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04But but I mean unsanctioned is just as good too. It's it's pretty similar. Only difference you don't do a well, first off, unsanctioned match basically is no rules, no no nothing. It's uh basically referees only in there to to count the three or CSMI get submitted. That's it. There's no rules. So here anything goes, chair shots, tables, no, you know, every no rules basically. There's no rules in this match. That's why it's called unsanctioned match. It's not sanctioned, basically. Yeah. Continue to be don't want to have any liabilities uh for what happens in this match.
SPEAKER_00But um, yeah, um Jacob count came out in a police car on Friday night's Mac.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I saw that he feed into the uh Drew McIntyre thing.
SPEAKER_00But I I think Jacob needs to swing way more than Drew Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04He won last WrestleMania, but Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wait, he did?
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, yeah, he did. He beat uh L was LA Knight for night for the was Night State Bill?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, LA Knight, yep. So yeah, I mean both of them, both of them, both of them can use it. Um I think Jacob needs it more, I would like you to say, you know, especially depending on what they're gonna do. I wanna say that Drew's getting ready to leave for a little bit. Yeah, he's filming um with the Highlander, I think it is. Yeah, I think it's yeah, so he's getting ready to go back and film that. So he's gonna probably gone for another few months. So I think he's gonna, it's gonna be a way to, you know, it's gonna be a match where he, like I said, he doesn't need to win because he's gonna be gone for so long, people won't really remember to win. Or lost brother.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So but yeah, who do you uh what do you think is gonna happen in the match though?
SPEAKER_00Um, nothing. Uh well not nothing this week. Um probably like a few table spots. Um, you think it goes to backstage?
SPEAKER_04I think they go around the whole arena. I mean unsanced match would go anywhere.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't even know if it starts in the ring, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER_00Like you think it starts outside that can happen?
SPEAKER_04I mean, it's WrestleMania, so maybe maybe it starts backstage. They work their way into the ring, and then the match starts. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because it's unsanctioned, so it's no rules anyways.
SPEAKER_00Well what could happen, like they could be fighting throughout the entire arena, and by the time they get in the ring, it's already over, basically.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That could that's that's what could happen.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Because unsanctioned, so there's technically you don't need anything. Just have the match, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, but yeah, uh, who do you who do you think gonna win this one, you think?
SPEAKER_00Uh probably Jacob fought too, because he needs it way more.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, absolutely. I think Jacob's gonna win this too. Victory, probably a little bit of blood, maybe. Uh possibly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because it isn't on ESPN, it's in like like like uh UFC sometimes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, UFC used to be on ESPN, and it's on Paramount now.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it is?
SPEAKER_04But how's it on Paramount? Just on Paramount, yeah. Uh huh. Because UFC is but um but yeah, um, yeah, UF with ESPN, yeah, you can you can have a little bit more bud if you want to, because people use to it anyway with UFC. So you know, this and this in this first hour is gonna give people who don't watch wrestling opportunity to see it. Maybe, maybe kids who who hadn't watched it before or stopped watching it, maybe get hands to say, hey, I want to see what this is. You know, and how some people watch some people watch wrestling just off accident.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04I remember who was it? Uh I forgot who it was on the podcast the other day. I saw they were saying they were literally probably Alex is black. He was saying his dad was just scrolling the channels and he saw Yoko's on it. And said, Oh, what's that? And start watching. So stuff like that, you know. So but yeah, I mean, this should be a good match, though. This should be one of the better matches on the car, for sure.
SPEAKER_02So yeah. But yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, so you think Jacob's gonna win too?
IShowSpeed Celebrity Match Stakes
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Jacob's gonna win, I think that was for sure.
SPEAKER_00All right, um, for next match, it's the vision and I show speed versus the Usos and LA Knight in a normal match.
SPEAKER_04Yep. Um the the debut of ISO speed. Well, not debut, it was the first his first actual match. He was in Royal Rumble. Yeah. But that's the Royal Rumble's a little different than a match, you know.
SPEAKER_00And he got eliminated like super quick anyway.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean he got destroyed in that. I mean, he was only there for a minute, but getting speared and then getting thrown on attack by Otis.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's kind of a then got RKL a few years before that.
SPEAKER_03So Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I mean he's I mean, I I show speed is definitely athletic. So he definitely fits in with WWE style.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_04He's crazy, does a lot of things. You know, I mean, he's he's it looks like he's not scared to do stuff. So that I'm sure he's gonna be nervous walking into the WWE ring for the first time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But he's used to being around crowds. You know, he's used to being around because his his chat has thousands of viewers.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04When he when he says, I'm gonna be in this city on this day, every every kid in the in the state seems like follows him there. And they're and they're there chasing his car.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So he's used to being around people and a lot of people with that. I think the I don't know if it's hopefully the lights don't get to him sometimes, you know, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, like you said, he has that type of audience, like, like, yeah, but he obviously will be nervous because it's like it's a streaming amount gives him the same thing.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. But I mean, that's what I'm saying. The the the match itself is gonna be, I think, the hard part, but yeah, a lot of people, the fans get to him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Especially if you go from a if you go from like independent wrestling to the main roster, like you should go there, but if you go to NXT, it's a little different, it's thinking of a smaller crowd. And then, but if you went, if you went from independent wrestling, because some independent companies, not independent companies, some independent shows are small. You know, like when we went to, remember, it was like what maybe people in there, maybe? So you go from something like that, and if you get sign with W then boom, you're wrestling in front of 15,000. That's a lot more people. You know, Russ Main's gonna probably be what at least 50,000. So we'll see how that the fans get to him. I mean, he's already been in front of the fans already. So he knows how that feels.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But now he's gonna be in there by his self wrestling.
SPEAKER_00And or no, not Rob, not fully by himself.
SPEAKER_04But it's a it's a six man, it's not, it's not a tornado matter. You gotta get tagged in.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. Oh, also that that brings me to the next question. Do you think he's gonna get like the celebrity hot tag, or do you think he's gonna be like in there a lot more?
unknownIt depends.
SPEAKER_04I don't know how much tracking he's been doing.
SPEAKER_00Because like, you know, when the celebrity just get a hot tag and then the matches end, then like.
SPEAKER_04No, I think he's gonna be more scared. Look who he's going against. He's going against the Usos and LA Knight. So I think he's gonna be more scared than anything because, you know, he cost the Usos the tag team belts, and then he cost the LA Knight the match against Austin Theory.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I think that it's more so on the I don't want to, I don't want to get tagged in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I think what's uh what happens, like I think Logan Paul might try to tag speed in, he just jumps off the rope.
SPEAKER_04No, I don't know if he's gonna do that. I think what happens is either Logan or or Austin obviously starts it. They tack the other one in, and then the other one is out hurt on the outside, and then he needs to tag, or he's he's you know, one of them have to tag ISO speed in. And whoever probably LA Niger somebody's waiting for him, like, come on, I'm waiting on you. Like they'll let they'll let Austin Theory or Logan Paul crawl to the ISO speed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Instead of trying to grab him on you doing most tag team matches. They'll let them crawl, like, go ahead, attack them. Come on in. You know, he do the whole I'm scared thing, you know, how you know the timid, how you know how some people do, yeah, you know, think he's gonna do something like that. But like I said, it should be a pretty solid match. I mean, I don't expect to be no five-star match on this one, but it's a it's a good showcase match. You got guys who should be on Wrestling Card. I mean, Usos, LA Knight, which I don't like to say it, Logan Paul. I mean, he's been he's been consistent.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, he hasn't been a celebrity in probably a year. He's been on TV. Probably longer than the TV consistently. Oh, yeah. Like he hasn't been involved. Ever since he's in the vision, like he's like, ever since he's joined the vision, he's been on TV pretty much, if not every week, every other week. You know. So he's he's he's kind of going beyond a celebrity now into a bona fide wrestler. You know, you don't have to like him personally, but in the ring, it is what it is, you know.
SPEAKER_00So but yeah, I think, oh yeah. Here's my reason. I think the Usos and LA Knight are gonna win, right? Because then Dan House and Curse.
SPEAKER_04You're right. I forgot about Dan Housing Curse.
SPEAKER_00And I think I show speed is gonna be pinned by LA Knight.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, we completely forgot, man. How did we forget the host of WrestleMania?
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04John Cena's host of WrestleMania. So I wonder what's gonna happen with that. We like we talked about before off camera. Uh, is Dan House gonna have interaction with John Cena in the ring?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, something like that. I mean, Dan House has to be on WrestleMania at some point, in some capacity.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, uh just because his character is so hot right now. You know, he's like a younger version of R True.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, but uh, but yeah, back to that. Um see the problem is the vision needs to win more, but I don't know if it's realistic to say the vision with ISO ISO speed is gonna beat the Usos and Lighty.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know what I mean? Like it it's really a two-on- it's really a three-on-two match as far as wrestling goes. I mean, Iceho Speed's athletic, yes. But we're not talking about a ra we're not talking about a racing match. We're not talking about racing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, we're not talking about jumping or backflipping, we're talking about a wrestling match. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So realistically, I don't see the vision and speed winning.
SPEAKER_00The best chance they have really is like ice show speed, uh, tire them all out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Unless we get a return.
SPEAKER_00Who? Oh Bron Breaker?
SPEAKER_04Braun Breaker. He rumors rumors he's cleared.
SPEAKER_00You you know why I don't think that's gonna happen? Because um, I think he he gets involved later in the night.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think yeah uh Seth Rollins versus Gunther.
SPEAKER_04Possibly. But if he doesn't, that'd be a good way to bring it back to the Rory Rumble when I still speed and uh and Braunbreaker. ISO speed, you know how he has those looks. His facial expressions are are top tier.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, so hearing Braunbreaker's music and then see ISO Speed face would be a WrestleMania moment in itself.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because everybody in that everybody who's in that crowd, if you're a wrestling fan, you know exactly why I uh speed is gonna be scared of Braunbreaker. If you don't know why he's scared of Braunbreaker, you ain't watching the wrestler long enough.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because everybody should know that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know. So, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would I would think Bronbreaker would come back sometime, like either this match or the match we're gonna talk about here in a minute. But um, but yeah, I mean, just for me, without any shenanigans, I'm gonna get I'm gonna pick the Utos and uh LA Knight.
SPEAKER_00Yep, that's my pick on that one.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Dan House can also come in this match if he really wanted to.
SPEAKER_04Dan come in any in any match. Well, not any match, but most matches the first matches anyways.
SPEAKER_00I mean, if you wanted to, he could come in any match you wanted to.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But um, but for the next match, it's AJ Lee versus Becky Lynch for the Women's Intercontinental Championship.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Bill for this one hasn't been as good as as I wanted it to be.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, I just I just think they ran this match too much. I think this should have been a stipulation at least.
SPEAKER_04It should have been. At this point in time, it should have been a stipulation. They've wrestled.
SPEAKER_00They've run like four times, but like it's been different type of matches.
SPEAKER_03But this is the first time.
SPEAKER_00Uh Mixtag, uh, what was the other one? Uh Elimination Chamber, and this.
SPEAKER_04This should have been uh this is the fourth match. Yeah. Yeah. Like I thought you meant the rest of four times already.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she she got it submitted every time in the same way. So I think something needs to change in this match, but like I feel like it's not going to.
SPEAKER_04I mean, like you said, you but here's the thing, though. You have I think this is gonna be a better match between the two. AJ Lee has got some some tread under her belt now, you know, coming back from but this is her, this is her first WrestleMania in 11 years. Yeah. And she came back after 10 years. So I think, like, even with CM Punk, they always say, oh, he he was gone for 10 years. From WWE he was. But people forget he wrestled at AEW.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04AJ Lee has not wrestled at all in 10 years.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Before she came back. I mean, she had she did a little TV show where she just didn't wrestling, but as far as like actually in a ring, you know, on TV, she hasn't really done it like that, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um, and also I think I think what happens, uh, this also it goes into a raw prediction. I think AJ Lee wins, and then Paige returns on the Raw Germania and beats AJ Lee for the title.
SPEAKER_04Possibly. Yeah, we the rumors, the rumors of the page time with WWE that came out that broke over the weekend. Um, so we'll see. I I think the the quick what we'll talk about, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll come back to this one here in a minute on why the page thing. But um for this match, like you said, if AJ Lee wins, they have to do the page thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I think they may have to use her later on.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I think yeah, I have to figure out what you're doing. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Like it's just I we'll talk about that one in a minute, we'll get to that match. But um I'ma I'm gonna I'ma say, but Becky has to win this match. She can't go four, she can't go over four.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, page comes back. I'm gonna pick Becky Lynch.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's what I think is gonna win this match. Right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Becky needs, I mean, she doesn't need to win, but she needs to win, if that makes sense. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Like, she obviously Becky Lynch doesn't need a win, but like she's been getting beat by aging left and right.
SPEAKER_04You're being getting beat down by her over three. It'd be over four. You can't go over and four against somebody.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like there's nothing you can do after that.
SPEAKER_00Like, that's worse than Seth Rowling and Cody Rhodes. Because they they have one-on-one matches.
SPEAKER_04Or Seth Rollins and CM Punk.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I think it was I think that was three matches, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_00And Seth got beat every one, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think so, yeah. So I mean, I think Becky needs to win, but barn, the we'll talk about that. I'll come back to that one in a minute. Just remind me on that one.
SPEAKER_00All right. All right. So uh that's what you're gonna say. You think uh AJ Lee's gonna win?
SPEAKER_04No, uh Becky Lynch Barn the Page choice, but I'll come back to this in a minute when we talk about it.
Seth Rollins Versus Gunther Logic
SPEAKER_00I think AJ Lee's gonna win. Oh, yeah, and I'm I'm gonna say I'm going 13 for 13 this entire weekend. Okay. I just want to put that out there. Uh, the next match is Seth Rollins versus Gunther.
SPEAKER_04The ring general. Basically, this match is basically to to see who the best wrestler is. I mean, that's that's what the build-up is. I mean, we we're we're kind of we were kind of confused on why Gunther attacked Seth Rollins.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh we thought, you know, we thought Paul Heyman was doing it, but then come out Paul Heyman wasn't using them. But Gunther wants something from Paul Heyman. We pretty much know we well, most people think it's because Gunther wants Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam.
SPEAKER_00And if that's so, I think Gunther has to win because he can't lose the match and still get a match with Brock Lesnar.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_00How's he gonna lose the match against Seth?
SPEAKER_04Which goes back to what you were saying about Brian Parker coming back and helping out, helping to win. You know, I mean, Seth doesn't really need this win. I mean, uh, we know who Seth is. He's been doing it for over a decade.
SPEAKER_00Neither of them really need the win.
SPEAKER_04I mean, Seth been doing almost 15 years now. I mean, WWE wise, he's been wrestling probably 20 years total now. So he doesn't really need this win. We know he's one of the best wrestlers of all time. I mean, that's that's that's a given. You know, I mean, if you watch wrestling enough, you know Seth Rollins is one of the best. You know. Um, but yeah, this match is more of a supremacy match to see kind of it's kind of like the was it uh was it Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania year, uh a couple decades ago when they wrestled?
SPEAKER_00Uh well I would I wouldn't know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but I think it was something like that where it's like see who the best wrestler is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because you got Mr. WrestleMania versus the best wrestler.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so I think that's why why Steph Rollins used um the new Mr. WrestleMania.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's kind of like heartback on the Shawn Michaels thing, you know? So, but yeah, Gunther is definitely like Learn Taker always says he's a throwback to the old generation of wrestlers. Um but yeah, I I don't think Steph is gonna win. He doesn't need to win. Gunther's gonna win this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because he he because he needs to win the match to cash in the thing.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely. Well, he doesn't have to win to cash in.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, but like if think about it, if he loses to Steph Ronald's, what does that help pay Paul Paul Heyman with? That doesn't help Paul Heyman at all.
SPEAKER_04True. Yeah, because then with Sam Punt did it, he he they have they have win the but uh the um organiz.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, that's what you just say, yeah. Yeah, he kind of has to win. Or at least hurts the problems.
SPEAKER_00But uh yeah, so so um for next match on you were done with that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, I got gone through on that one.
Women’s Tag Title Wildcards
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah, I got gonna throw too. So for the next match on the card, it's um it's the Fatal Four Way, it's the Irresistible Cross versus Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss versus Bailey and Lyra versus the Bella twins for for the uh women's tag team championships. Okay, so for this one, I I think I knew what you were about to say, but me you you can get into it first. I have my opinion on that.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, if if if any of y'all watched the Hall of Fame, it was pretty late at night, doing the red carpet, the nick the bells was there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Nikki had a boot on on her foot. Normally when you have a boot on, that means you're seriously injured.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right? Most of the time you don't wear a boot. She said she had the boot on um just to keep everything you know safe from her walking. Understandable. But most of the time when you have a boot on like that, you're not cleared. She said she's gonna be there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, be there doesn't mean that there we go.
SPEAKER_04She said she's gonna be there. She's she's not gonna leave her sister's side. There you go. Okay. They could pull a Becky Lynch. Like they not without without the attack. Remember uh last year, Bailey lost. Well, we're not gonna talk about that when Bailey got screwed over a few times during the Pete, the big the big matches, the big PLEs. Yeah, but she got taken out on SmackDown before WrestleMania. Laura needed a tag partner, Becky Lynch comes back.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04Okay, who's to say they can't do not a repeat, but something similar where our developed twins come out, they talk, and Nikki says, Hey, unfortunately, I'm not clear to wrestle, but I found a replacement, and boom, Page's music is and also what
SPEAKER_00They could do if they really wanted to, they don't have to. But they could be Brie and Page if they win. If they win. Um, it could be Brie and Paige. And then um, then like once Nikki's clear, she could like take the title back, maybe.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, true. But here's my here's what I here's what I want to happen. Well, if I was booking it, here's what I would want to happen. If if Nikki Bell is cleared and she can wrestle, yeah, and Paige is resigned with the LB, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Don't have Paige come out this weekend at all.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right? What you do is, just like you did years ago, about 12, 13 years ago now. Yeah. About thirteen, thirteen years ago, you have AJ Lee, well, AJ Lee and Becky Lynch. AJ Lee wins the belt. She comes out on Monday Night Raw, like she did last time, and as she's talking about who she wants to fight, who she wants to wrestle and face, and all that, Paige's music hits. And they run back the match where Paige beat AJ Lee in her first match.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And she was the women's champion and the NXT women's champion at the same time. Or Diva Champion back then.
SPEAKER_00And now she could do the same thing, but instead of her first match, it's her debut.
SPEAKER_04Her reday. And that would be a full circle moment. You know what I'm saying? Like that could be a way to do it. The fans go crazy. But I don't know if they're gonna give Paige the belt that quick, though. Because she's first time back. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think it'd be better for her to come back in this tag team match. That way she wants to do as much because it's a tag team match. Yeah. She wants to wrestle the whole time. You know what I mean? Like she gets the Aaron Conn in the belt, then they're they're gonna expect her, or not expect her, but she's gonna have to defend that belt and wrestle more. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like when AJ Lee came back, remember she was in a tag team match.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04So she wanted to wrestle the whole time. That first match with Becky Lynch, you can tell she was a little slow. She was still getting used to back back used to wrestling, you know? And um and all that kind of stuff. But but with all that being said, I I don't know. I mean, if Paige is back, congrats, welcome back. Um hope they hope they do it right. You know, you know, W has changed a lot since she left last time um for the better, especially for women. Yeah um but yeah, I just I just want to see what's gonna happen in this one. I mean, um who do you have winning this match?
SPEAKER_00I would I would have sent the Bella twins, but I didn't know Nikki came out with the boot because I didn't watch the whole thing. I only watched like a little bit of it.
SPEAKER_04She came out with the boot um yesterday at the at the red carpet. And Biggie asked her, he's like, Are you good? She was like, Yeah. She didn't say she was prepared or anything. She said she'll be there tomorrow. I don't think she, I don't remember her. I have to re-watch it, but I don't remember her saying she's gonna wrestle tomorrow. Or she said she'll be there tomorrow and she's not gonna be her sister, which is not saying she's gonna be wrestling, but she she'll still be there. If she's caused a spring ankle, especially if it was a hot spring, that's that's a couple weeks, that's a couple months. That's not a high couple weeks.
SPEAKER_00But if Nikki's good to wrestle, I think the Bellows are winning. But if not, I think Bailey and Lyra are winning. But I don't know, like to officially pick, who are you gonna pick?
SPEAKER_04But um, see, here's my thing. Here's my thing. I know, I know a lot of people would not be, I didn't, I don't think you did, complaining about the women's tag team division not being strong. They have a uh this match has four, five, six women champions in this match.
SPEAKER_02What do you mean? Like who won the world title?
SPEAKER_04Who won a women's championship? Uh Niax, Sharon Alexa, Bailey, and Nikki Bella.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04And Bree Bella mighty one, but I know Nicki Bella won for sure. So you see what I'm saying? Like you got you got one, two, three, four, five, five. Five women champions in this match. At some point in time, one or two of them are going a singles belt. You know what I mean? Whether it's Bailey, whether it's Charlotte, whether it's Alexa, whether it's Naya, whether it's Laz, or whether Lyra wants to get a belt like Laj. You know, get their first singles belt. Um who do I want? Like, I'm I mean, I'm a fan of Bailey. Anyways. So but does Bailey need a tag team championship belt? I don't think so. I think it works. I think she needs to turn back heel again. You know what I mean? Because I don't know if her and Lyra is working. You know what I mean? I don't know if they're working anymore.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I would say I want to say it's like nothing that happened last year with Becky. With Lyra getting turned on. It happened last year with Becky. I don't want to say that happens again.
SPEAKER_02But that's a horrible one.
SPEAKER_04Because Charlie Lex don't need it. They don't need it at all.
SPEAKER_00No. Because they need to turn on the side.
SPEAKER_04They need to go ahead and turn and start a feud and get ready for Tumblr Slam. Um, and Naya and Lash is a good combo. You got a good young talent with a veteran. That's a good matchup with tag teams right there, because that gives uh Lash a chance to learn from a veteran. You know, especially a bigger, a big woman too. Like not a big one, but you know what I'm saying, like a yeah, like a strong powerhouse woman. And that way, that's what Laz is. She's the younger version of Naya.
SPEAKER_00And also another thing, I think the irresistible forces have just been too dominant to win. Because like they can't be this dominant and still go in and sweep. I mean, they could, but like, I don't think that's gonna go. It's not gonna go that way.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_00I think they're gonna be teaming up on them the entire match.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But they should anyways, if they're playing smart.
SPEAKER_04True, true. But like I said, I I kind of want to see Bailey get her WrestleMania moment again. She hadn't had one in a few years since she beat um EO.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04You know, with the EO when she um I mean after last WrestleMania, she had. Yeah, so that's when she won the uh the women's championship, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That's the first one she's had in a while, right?
SPEAKER_02WrestleMania win? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Is it? 'Cause she wasn't at 39, was she?
SPEAKER_02Can't remember.
SPEAKER_00She wasn't at 38.
SPEAKER_02I can't remember.
SPEAKER_04I look up to see.
SPEAKER_00Pretty sure.
SPEAKER_04But uh I don't know. I mean, just the just the point of Bailey needs a I think she needs to she needs this win. You know what I mean? I mean not not not so for for her and and uh and Lyra but for just her in general.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04No, it was uh so 30 39 was um 39 was a six-woman tag match. Trish, Lita, Becky versus uh damage control.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, and they lost that.
SPEAKER_04They lost that, yeah. They lost that. And 38 was the uh the one we went to.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04And she wasn't at that one, was she?
SPEAKER_02No, I don't think I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember. Uh looking now. No, I don't think she was at it. No, she wasn't.
SPEAKER_00No, she wasn't. So yeah, this uh so yeah, 40 was one like her last wonderful like not last, but the like her last one in a lot in a while.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, where she won, yeah. And then she wasn't doing last year, so I think she needs this win more than anybody else in this match, to be honest. I mean, Nikki and Bree are just now coming back. They don't need it. I mean, granted, they they were the one of the first tag teams in women's division. They didn't have a tag team built back then.
SPEAKER_00They were always but they never won the tag team.
SPEAKER_04They never had they didn't have them.
SPEAKER_00Like they they never had it before they like before they left, no.
SPEAKER_04Um no, they didn't have to remember recently with uh Bailey and Sasha, remember?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04And Nikki and Nikki and Bree was already gone by then.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, so they were already gone by then. I think Nikki, Nikki, did she come back for the evolution? I can't remember. But anyways, um, but yeah, so they didn't have the tag team belts when Nikki and Bree were wrestling all the time. So this is their this is why they this is why they they were in this match. They're like, hey, we're the ones who started the tag team women's divisions, we just didn't have your tag team built. Because they had a lot of tag matches. They just didn't have a built to go along with it. So they were one of the them and um la cool were like two of the not the ear, not because the aircraft was probably something back in the 80s, but as far as like the 2000, they're probably the pioneers of like the the new age women wrestling matches. You know what I mean? Lele and Michelle McCool was also like La Cool. They were also taxing, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think they I think they even shared the women's belt at one point in time. They had like the free bird rule with the belt. They're like tag team champs, but they only was the women's belt.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04With a division belt, rather. They were like, they were like one of them defended once, the other one would defend the other.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, it was kind of weird, but it's how it works.
SPEAKER_00But uh, yeah, so what'd you pick? Well, I I didn't even pick anybody, but I'm gonna say Bailey and Lyra because I would say the Bellas, but I just don't know who you didn't want the irresistible forces. Uh I I think they've been too dominant to come in and lane in and win.
SPEAKER_04I mean, they can still be dominant and not be dominant, but you can they can win because the other ones are fighting with each other.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think Charlotte and Lexter are going at Lyra and and Bailey. Charlotte tried to knock uh Lyra off the built off the rope the other day.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So they're going at it. Uh Nikki and Bree, you know, they can be going at it. And so Larry, uh Naya and Laz, Larry just come in and get the get the scraps. And not even be dominant, just just be opportunity.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, uh, I got Becky and Lyra. Although Bae, Bae, I'm sorry, not Becky. Bailey and Lyra winning. Bailey needs to win, I think, more than any other win woman is in this in this match. So, but yeah, that's not the call that one.
SPEAKER_00But uh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna have to agree with that.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00Uh say Bailey and Lyra. So yeah, that's all you have for that.
SPEAKER_04Yep, that's it for that one. Should be good. Should be a good match, though.
Women’s World Title Story Paths
SPEAKER_00And uh next on the card in the coming event is Stephanie Vacare versus Liv Morgan for the Women's World Championship.
SPEAKER_04Probably second.
SPEAKER_00Best built?
SPEAKER_04Best built, maybe. One depending on how you depend on what you like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But this probably definitely the second, solid second, number two.
SPEAKER_00And they they haven't even like they've that have vignettes and like a little bit of time, but like they never have much.
SPEAKER_04See, that's the thing I like. See, this this this is this is what you call effective but simple.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because they haven't had as much time as the men main event, the men championship has.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04They didn't have the full 15, 20, 30 minutes in the ring with each other.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and also, and also Jade Carga and Rhea Lip Ripley, they have a lot of time, but that's not really that good of a yeah, we'll talk about that one on the on on WrestleMania Sunday. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, but but I think this one right here has been a great build. Um I mean, you see Lil' face, her face is still messed up.
SPEAKER_01It is?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's still messed up from that from that one uh from when Tiffany uh hit her and she bumped in um.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was ice.
SPEAKER_04And then dance throwing toward TV. I mean, so yeah, so she still has the bruises under her eyes and the big um knot on her forehead. Not as big as it used to be, it's not as big as it was, but still bruised. But I mean, I th I think I see makeup makeup makeup probably cover up the eyes, but that bruise on the forehead, it's gonna be hard to cover, but a a knot. Yeah, we can cover the color of it up, but you'll still probably be able to see it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, but but yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Um, yeah, this is probably the like I said, they haven't had much time to build. They had a couple of backstage things uh attacking each other, you know, back and forth talking. They had the thing where uh Stephanie made live cry, even though Stephanie said there were crocodile tears. Um make it look like she, you know. But but yeah, um this is the good match. Now who wins this match? It depends on what I where I want this to go after it. Because if I don't know if I don't know what's going on next, Stephanie's gonna win. Right. But the way they've been building certain things up in the judgment day, yeah, I think Liv has to win. And she either feuds with Roxanne or Raquel.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So Roxanne, we talked about that before when she asked her about Finn Balor, remember?
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Finn Balor brought Roxanne into the judgment day.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04She never asked that question.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because she she got hit by Stephanie.
SPEAKER_04There you go. They never they never resolved that that when she said, let me talk to you for a minute, and they they never resolved that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So we don't we still don't know if Roxanne is is with Finn or is she with the judgment day. We tell them that for a fact.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So who's to say that Roxanne doesn't turn or do something on Monday night or I think if something does happen, it's either gonna happen uh tomorrow or on Monday.
SPEAKER_04Or Monday, yeah. Tomorrow means tonight. Tonight. That's on the call tonight, right?
SPEAKER_00You like tomorrow, like like demon uh Oh demon fan.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, demon.
unknownYeah, okay.
SPEAKER_04But um But yeah, if if storyline purposes, Liv has to win, but just for the the match itself, that's that's a horrible because like I said, Stephanie has she hasn't really defended her belt much. And she needs WrestleMania moment.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, she didn't yeah, she didn't defend it really at all.
SPEAKER_04No, I mean she needs WrestleMania moment, but she'll have hers plenty of times. But Liv has had hers already too, though. So with that one, I just I won't I won't live, I won't live to feud with either Raquel or Roxanne. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna pick Liv to win. I want to see the storyline going forward.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, same. I'ma say Liv Morgan to win that.
SPEAKER_04That's why you can go 13-13. You pick them all my picks.
SPEAKER_00No, I only picked two of your picks so far.
SPEAKER_04Well, you got all my picks, except for the except for Becky Lynch AJ Lee.
SPEAKER_00No, because Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh. Except for Becky Lynch AJ Lee one.
SPEAKER_00Well, I picked him first.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Alright, and the main event is Cody Rose versus Randy O'Ren. Uh with Pat McAfee.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I forgot with Pat McAfee. I mean.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, not the greatest thing ever.
SPEAKER_04I'm just gonna tell you like this. I'm I'm gonna I'm just gonna uh be like this. The women's match should be main event tonight.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because like this this match, they didn't even get a one-on-one conversation.
SPEAKER_04But not not even that, not even that. The fact is, it's like this. This is what I would do if I was creative, right? The men's Royal Rumble winner, normally, depending on what kind of match it is, gets the main event on night two, normally. Right? Normally, not all the time because we saw what happened last year.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, with Jay Usa, they like started it, right? Or something. Like it was one of the first matches.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but so normally the men's the men and Royal Rumble winner main events, night two or wrestling Sunday now, right? What they should also do is give the women Royal Rumble match Saturday night main event.
SPEAKER_00Well, if it warrants it, sometimes it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_04If you build it upright, it will.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Look at Stephanie and Liv. That can easily be the main event over COVID.
SPEAKER_03It should be the main event.
SPEAKER_04It should be the main event. And I'm gonna down that hill. It should definitely be. I don't care what the plan was, what you want it to be, Stephanie and Liv should main event Sarah night.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely. I don't think anybody in the crowd would be mad at that. Nobody. I don't think anybody mad at that one. If they if they were the main event. I mean, we've only had how many people have main event in WrestleMania? Two matches, three matches?
SPEAKER_00Uh it was uh Rhea and Charlotte. They main event? Yeah, wait. Oh, they didn't. No, they didn't. Oh they didn't. That was that was the tag team match.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So you had so you had the first one, which was Becky, the triple threat. You had Becky, uh, Rhonda and Charlotte.
SPEAKER_02Then you had Bianca and Sasha or Mercedes. That's it. That's it.
SPEAKER_04Is that it? I don't I sound like it's on top of the head.
SPEAKER_00Let me um if it's what was Who was 38? The one we went to, what was the main event for that one? It was I know it was Brock and Roman. Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Um Yeah. That's only two.
SPEAKER_04WrestleMania 35, uh triple threat match, winner takes all, and WrestleMania 37, light one. Uh Bianca versus Sasha.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And that was the two main events. This one right here is this right here absolutely deserves it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04The triple threat last year deserved it.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I mean, essentially we put Rhea into when she didn't really deserve to be in there, but she's in there. Um, but yeah, I mean, this absolutely deserves to be main event. I don't I don't care what anybody else says, this deserves to be main event. So, I mean, I I don't really know what much to say about this because they didn't they didn't build this up right at all. This this might be this may be one of the worst builds for a title match that I've seen in a while.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, it I will have to really go back and think and look at some stuff to remember which one I saw that might have been worse than this far as bills. Not talking about the match itself, but the potential like there are some matches where it's like, that's that's not a good matchup. I don't want to see that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04This match was one of the ones where dang I can't wait to see that. And I was like, Yeah. Okay. Whatever. You know? So that's that's the thing with me, is I I I would the bill should have been way better. I mean, whoever, you know, the rumors TKO got involved, it don't matter. The problem is even if they got involved, you you couldn't make it work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, you still could have had Randy and Cody talking instead of having instead of having Pat freaking McAfee as the mouthpiece.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know what?
SPEAKER_04Like he's not Paul Heyman.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I think the main thing is it should have been well, I would have done it would have should have been Randy and Cody, like the two main people and and Pat in the back instead of Pat and Cody and Randy in the back.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Because like, like you can you can have you can have Pat there explaining why he why he was telling Randy what to do. Cool, that makes sense. Okay. Telling Randy to get back into his old self and do all that. Okay, that makes sense. Now step back and let Randy do what he gotta do.
SPEAKER_00Because like like WWE, like TKO stepped in, but they can still book the show.
SPEAKER_04Like, yeah, I mean the Triple A still runs creative, yeah. So he can still figure out a way to make it work, even if he gets overwritten on who was in the match.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, because I think it was supposed to be their rock.
SPEAKER_04I you know, I can't wait for I can't wait for Unreal Season. Was it season three? The four?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we're up there on season three. We're not we're not on, but the last one was season two.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, whatever this right here, whatever season right here is gonna be whether three or four, I can't wait to see this right here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04To see what happened with if if they show what happened with this, yeah.
SPEAKER_00They might just like rush over like it never happened.
SPEAKER_04Well, they did it with the uh season one with the uh the rock thing, remember? Oh, yeah, talking about with the rock and cody.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but that that wasn't that wasn't like that was supposed to happen.
SPEAKER_04That was but saying it was supposed to rock versus Roman Ryan. And then the fans went crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but then WWE tried to brush it off like they was that was always the plan, too.
SPEAKER_04True. So I'm just saying, we'll see how if if they talk about this. Obviously, you know, Unreal shows you a lot of behind the scenes. Obviously, don't show you everything.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Because they're not gonna show you every single thing that happens behind the scenes. They're gonna show you what they want you to see. So we still know everything that happens. Like they can say, oh yeah, this is supposed to happen this way. You know, but but um but yeah, so like I said, this the match could be a good match, but I'm not excited for it. I mean, it could be a good match, it could be a great match with these two guys. But I'm not really excited for it right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, they didn't do enough to convince me to to one. I mean, I'm gonna watch it like I always do. I've been watching WrestleMania for years, but I'm gonna still watch it, but you know what I mean? Like it's it's I'm not I'm not like, oh man, I can't wait to see Randy and Cody Wrestling now.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04The build up wasn't wasn't good. I mean, nothing I mean, nothing against them two guys. It's just they didn't get them the right opportunity to build.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the feud relies heavy on the match. Like, heavy on the match.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00But um, so anyways, I think Randy wins because um Jilly Road might get involved, but I still see Randy.
SPEAKER_04Pat said that we'll talk about that in a second, too. Pat said that if if if Randy loses, he's gone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it looks like they're building up for a tag team match at Backlash.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so that's probably not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_04So the it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_00They basically wrote that. He's there he's Randy's gonna win.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the question is how? Like like for instance with Cody last year. Not last year. Well yeah he beat Roman Reigns last year?
SPEAKER_00Cody?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh 40.
SPEAKER_0440. When he beat Roman Reigns.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, before the Philadelphia.
SPEAKER_04So going into that one, we knew Cody was gonna win that match. Absolutely. You couldn't have told me he was gonna lose that match. Nobody was gonna told me he could convince me gonna lose that match.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But the way it happened, Undertaker, The Rock, was it John Singer came out?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04All dude came out. You couldn't tell, you couldn't have told me that was gonna happen.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04No, you're talking about John Cena that Cody was gonna win? Absolutely. No questions asked. But if you had told me John Cena and Undertaker were gonna come out as well, no, ain't no way. You knew the rock gonna come out. We knew the rock was coming out. Because the rock beat Cody Rose down already. We knew the rock was gonna come out, but I had no idea that those two guys were gonna come out to help Cody. You know. So maybe this right here could be something similar where, okay, we know Rainey's gonna win. But the question is, how's he gonna win now? That's what we gotta figure out now. That's that's the only good exciting part about it is okay, I know Randy's gonna win welcome to this match. How's he gonna win now? Is it gonna be somebody comes out, somebody debuts, somebody read you know, returns, some other form of shenanigans going on?
SPEAKER_00He could he could use the punt this match.
SPEAKER_04He could. That's what I'm saying. Like who what happens in this match is the only thing I'm really excited about is okay, how are they gonna let Randy win?
SPEAKER_02You know, so but yeah.
SPEAKER_00But uh yeah, so I mean that's the that's the it for the show. You think Randy's gonna win too? Yep, think Randy's gonna win too. Yep, I agree with that.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, um, so yeah, WrestleMania Saturday, uh, or night one, whichever we want to call it. Night one is Saturday, same thing. Um, you know, seven matches on this card. Comes on six o'clock, uh, first hour. It's gonna be uh Drew versus Jacob and the six men with division, Ice I show speed and versus the Usos and LA Knight. So um, yeah, I'm looking forward to a good night of wrestling. Well, good weekend of wrestling count tomorrow, but yeah, uh as always, I'm Ben in the episode of Tag Team Talk.