Milli, Monsters, and Minibars

We kick off our latest episode with the dramatic rise and fall of Milli Vanilli, reminiscing about their chart-topping hits and the infamous lip-syncing debacle that shook the music world. We dig into the creative minds behind their iconic tracks, pondering the fate of those irresistible royalties. Our journey then pivots to the gripping narrative of Netflix’s "Monsters: The Lyle and Eric Menendez Story." With riveting performances from talents like Javier Bardem and Chloe Sevigny, and newcomers Cooper Koch and Nicholas Alexander Chavez, this true crime saga kept us glued to our screens. We explore how the series cleverly incorporates Milli Vanilli's music for a deeper metaphorical impact, creating an unexpected bridge between the two stories.

Switching gears, we lighten the mood with memories of a standout SNL episode featuring the comedic brilliance of John Mulaney and musical guest Chapel Roan. With unforgettable sketches and surprise guests, it was a night of laughter and musical magic. We also share a delightful two podcast recommendations, "Classy," narrated by Jonathan Minivar, perfect for those who love humor mixed with clever mnemonic tricks and Desert Island Discs, one of the longest running series from BBC radio. To cap off our discussion, we dive into the character-rich world of "The Lincoln Lawyer" series, applauding its quality writing and surprise cameos, like the charming Bernie Kopell. 
Also, we spend time celebrating some of the many brilliant accomplishments of Quincy Jones.
Tune in for a rollercoaster of nostalgia, drama, and laughter, offering something for music lovers, true crime enthusiasts, and comedy fans alike, or so they say. Plus: Vote.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:30

Hello, welcome to the Ann Levine Show. This is Ann Levine and that is Michael over there.

Speaker 2 0:42

Hello. And we are here and especially enthusiastic.

Speaker 1 0:51

We're extremely enthusiastic, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 0:54

We're not enthusiastic over this song, to tell you the truth, but you know, okay, well. I understand the choice of the song. It's a brilliant choice for a song. But you know I'm not a milly-vanilly guy.

Speaker 1 1:09

I understand that, but there's actually in spite of never mind why we're playing this, which I'll get to in a minute, but the song actually does some interesting things, I hate to say.

Speaker 2 1:27

It does. I'm not going to argue with you there, and the well. For one thing, you listen to it right now. It doesn't sound anything like the beginning music. Just the rhythm by itself does not sound like this song. They sound like different songs, Exactly, and they put it together. It sounds pretty cool.

Speaker 1 1:48

Yes.

Speaker 2 1:48

Yeah, I always liked that kind of thing. Paul Simon was another one who did stuff like that with his African beats, right, and with the Brazilian stuff. Yeah, I mean they'd be playing this music and wait a minute, that's not the beat.

Speaker 1 2:03

But this song also shifts and modulates yeah, no, I agree with you in an interesting way I just that I don't remember I just want to know who gets.

Speaker 2 2:16

Who gets the royalties for millie vanillie? Is it these guys?

Speaker 1 2:21

I, I don't know, I'm really Of course at the time this whole Milli Vanilli thing happened, where the big lip-syncing discovery was uncovered. Yeah, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 2:40

I just remember that, yeah, well that's mostly what I remember too.

Speaker 1 2:42

Yeah, I mean, I don't remember knowing how it should.

Speaker 2 2:48

See listen to that, Yep.

Speaker 1 2:54

No, there's a lot of. What is that that happens there?

Speaker 2 2:56

Very weird key changes.

Speaker 3 2:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:00

They don't go together, but it's working somehow, and see.

Speaker 1 3:06

I want to know who made these songs and are they still making songs?

Speaker 2 3:12

There's that other one that's Leave you. Whoever the producer is right, what's?

Speaker 1 3:16

the one, that's the other big one.

Speaker 2 3:21

Oh, the other song, the other big hit Something about Leave you. Girl. You Know it's True. That was the other huge song.

Speaker 1 3:31

No, it was.

Speaker 2 3:33

That might be the lyric from oh Well, they won a Grammy for Girl. You Know, it's True, Well is that the one I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 3:45

It might be.

Speaker 2 3:46

I don't know the lyrics, I just know of the name and I probably might recognize it if I hear it. I'm just looking at the list of stuff that they've done.

Speaker 1 3:59

Maybe it's Girl I'm Gonna Miss you.

Speaker 2 4:02

Okay, they got that too. Yeah, they did that too, yep. So it's Girl, I'm Gonna Miss you. Okay, they got that too. Yeah, they did that too, yep.

Speaker 1 4:07

So it's interesting A lot of girl songs. I guess is what we're really saying I've got to do some investigating.

Speaker 2 4:16

Yeah, let's get down to the bottom of this whole Milli Vanilli thing. Really, that's what we should do.

Speaker 1 4:22

Frank Farian. Well, anyhow, the reason that I am in mind of this and these are these guys are german. Yeah, that I remember, and so are the guys right. Yeah, those two guys.

Speaker 2 4:39

Yeah, it's a it's a berlin music is is their record label.

Speaker 1 4:44

Hmm, yeah, well, anyway, what has put me in mind of Milli Vanilli again after all these years? God, what was that 40 years ago?

Speaker 2 4:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1 4:58

Yeah Well, 35 years ago, 35 years ago, anyway, monsters, the story of Lyle and Eric Menendez.

Speaker 2 5:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 5:29

Is something that must be the Lyle and Eric Menendez story Monsters the Lyle and Eric Menendez story on Netflix. I've seen the whole thing and it is absolutely something that has got to be seen. I don't care what you think about them or the story, I don't care what age you are, if you remember it, if you're old enough to remember when it was happening, which Michael and I are or not, or if you were born since the whole thing.

Speaker 2 5:57

We're almost getting to that point where it's not for us again.

Speaker 1 6:02

What do you mean?

Speaker 2 6:04

Well, you know, I'm not remembering as well as I used to, oh.

Speaker 1 6:09

Well, it is for us, it's for everyone. It is one of the most extraordinary things I've ever seen, and it stars. Some people you've heard of that are amazing, and some people you haven't heard of that are amazing. And some people you haven't heard of that are amazing. It's Javier Bardem.

Speaker 2 6:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:36

Chloe Sevigny.

Speaker 2 6:38

I've heard of both of them.

Speaker 1 6:41

And then you've got these guys that are new New guys.

Speaker 2 6:47

No, never heard of them.

Speaker 1 6:49

Cooper, koch or Koch, I'm not sure how he pronounces it.

Speaker 2 6:53

Is it K-O-C-H?

Speaker 1 6:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 6:55

I would say Koch. I mean, that's just because those are the people I know of those guys. Nicholas Alexander Chavez Okay, those two are Lyle and Eric guys.

Speaker 1 7:04

You know Nicholas Alexander Chavez. Okay, those two are Lyle and Eric.

Speaker 2 7:09

Oh, all right Amazing.

Speaker 1 7:10

Amazing. And then Ari Grainer, Nathan Lane.

Speaker 2 7:17

Oh, right on.

Speaker 1 7:19

Nathan Lane playing Dominic Dunn.

Speaker 2 7:23

Oh really.

Speaker 1 7:24

Is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 7:28

Yeah, I see, because I didn't see it.

Speaker 1 7:30

Well, it's going to be appearing at a screen near you.

Speaker 2 7:36

Is this one of those things you did? You watched it overnight, didn't you? You watched the whole thing didn't you?

Speaker 1 7:41

It's nine episodes and they're almost an hour each, and I watched one after the other yeah. I, like, finished it at five o'clock in the morning. I could not stop. It is absolutely, to me, the most compelling thing, one of the most compelling things I've ever watched. Wow, javier Bardem and Chloe Sevigny are amazing, amazing. They should be giving them Oscars for this damn thing. I don't know how you? You know there aren't enough accolades, or, as someone we heard say recently accolades.

Speaker 1 8:37

Accolades yeah, accolades there aren't enough. The acting is outrageous. The writing is outrageous. The writing is outrageous.

Speaker 2 8:49

And the story itself is horrible. I mean, you know what happened to these kids, to this family, Right?

Speaker 3 9:00

I mean it's an awful, awful thing.

Speaker 1 9:02

It's one of the most tragic. Yeah, what happened to each of them?

Speaker 2 9:07

Exactly.

Speaker 1 9:09

And by turns what happened to their friends, their families. Yeah, the fallout is still happening.

Speaker 2 9:25

That's right, yeah, and it's coming back around. It is. There's actually going to be another trial. Well it's not another trial.

Speaker 1 9:37

There's going to be on December 11th, there's going to be a resentencing.

Speaker 2 9:46

Oh, okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 9:48

Hearing, hearing.

Speaker 2 9:50

That's what I was trying to think of.

Speaker 1 9:51

So there's going to be a hearing about possibly resentencing them, right, okay, and if you, I think for good reason actually oh absolutely.

Speaker 2 10:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1 10:06

I mean what was done to them legally at the time was beyond the pale.

Speaker 2 10:16

Absolutely, and they would never be able to get away with it. Today, the media would be too over it Exactly. You know yeah.

Speaker 1 10:24

But these are two. At the time, they were young men I think they were 17 and 20 at the commission of the crime when they murdered their parents. Now there's no mystery about whether or not they murdered their parents, right? That's not the question. That's not the question.

Speaker 2 10:47

No. The question is why in the world would these? Two boys murder their parents.

Speaker 1 10:52

Right and so.

Speaker 2 10:55

Turns out they had a reason.

Speaker 1 10:57

Yes, they had a reason and, depending on who you are, they either had a reason, it was a good reason, it was even self-defense Right. It was even self-defense Right and there was a word for defending yourself against. They were molested and tortured.

Speaker 2 11:21

Right by their father.

Speaker 1 11:22

And their mother.

Speaker 2 11:24

Well, and their mother just went along anyway.

Speaker 1 11:27

Oh, she knew it was happening and she did crazy stuff too. I won't you know, rehash it all as much as I'd like to.

Speaker 3 11:37

You should watch it, yeah.

Speaker 2 11:40

I do remember this story and I have heard about the hearing coming up. Yeah, Right.

Speaker 1 11:46

So I first heard about this Netflix series that was done by oh. Can you look this up?

Speaker 2 11:55

Okay.

Speaker 1 11:55

The guys who did this are also the guys who did Glee. There's some stuff that's so bizarre. It's Ian Brennan, I think, is one of them, and I can't think of the other one's name. Who who created this?

Speaker 2 12:18

and yeah, trying to find out. Hold on, yeah, ian Brennan Ryan.

Speaker 1 12:22

Murphy Ryan, murphy Ryan. Murphy he's the glee guy right, and so is Ian Brenannan Evan.

Speaker 2 12:28

Peters, richard Jenkins, cooper Koch. Yeah, right, yeah, those are the people in it Right, yeah so anyway, like I was saying.

Speaker 1 12:42

Whether or not you know about this, whether or not, regardless, this is an absolute. This be seen, just be aware oh, it's that, and watch the entire thing at one go, yeah, so and you might be compelled, you might not be I do, but this was crazy how I could not stop and it wasn't easy. It's not like, oh, that's easy, breezy.

Speaker 2 13:20

No, Right right, right Half hour episodes. Yeah, no, it's hour. Episodes of not much fluff.

Speaker 1 13:28

No, yeah, not easy, but oh my God, and some of the other stuff that's come out now since oh yeah, well, it's not only the brothers we're finding out, it was virtually everybody.

Speaker 2 13:50

Their dad came in contact with Exactly, was a victim. Yeah.

Speaker 1 13:56

Of this guy's Ugh.

Speaker 2 13:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:00

It's awful. Well, I want Javier Bardem. There's going to need to be some new category of or some new award, I don't know. Just does netflix, does a netflix series?

Speaker 2 14:18

it might get treated like a television, like yeah, since it's a series, it may end up being like uh, I mean um, I don't know we'll have to look that up. Award yeah.

Speaker 1 14:33

Or like you know movies that are created by, say, HBO, by Netflix, by, Do they end up being?

Speaker 2 14:44

I think, in order to qualify for an Oscar, the film has to have been in the theater. It has to have been in the theater, it has to have been on a number of screens. I believe A certain number.

Speaker 1 14:56

Well, even though I mean, and that has, that's almost irrelevant at this point.

Speaker 2 15:01

Well, it's also true because number one, they're streaming films for one thing. Now they don't use film anymore.

Speaker 1 15:09

Right.

Speaker 2 15:10

Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 15:11

Yeah, no, it ceased to be a bad film. Yeah, so I mean, so little is shot on film anymore. It's like the Coen brothers and I don't know.

Speaker 2 15:28

It's so much easier to get a look at all of it. You know I mean boom, it's all right there well, I zip forward and backwards, and I mean, take a look at all kinds of stuff. If it's digital, you know it's so, so much easier also in the direction of this thing.

Speaker 1 15:48

I mean mean, in each episode there's one episode called the Hurt man. That is mostly one shot.

Speaker 2 16:03

Oh, you mean like a one take.

Speaker 1 16:06

Yes.

Speaker 2 16:07

Oh, okay, right on, and one shot. I really like that.

Speaker 1 16:11

And it's I don't know half an hour long, this take.

Speaker 2 16:16

That is awesome. I love it when directors and when they have enough faith in everybody to want to do something like that, because the crew's got to be spot on, everybody's got to be absolutely perfect, otherwise could be 20 minutes into it and have to start over again.

Speaker 1 16:35

As far as the crew is concerned, it's one shot, literally one shot they have to know exactly every centimeter everybody's going to be. One person sitting in a chair speaking for 20 odd minutes, uh-huh. For 20-odd minutes.

Speaker 2 16:54

Oh, that's easy.

Speaker 1 16:57

It's freaking amazing and it drew me in. That drew me in so much I wanted to watch it again. I'm already ready to re-watch. Yeah, you mentioned that, so anyway, now they use brilliantly in.

Speaker 2 17:19

I just want to mention Molly Ringwald is also in this movie.

Speaker 1 17:25

Who did?

Speaker 2 17:25

she play Sherry. Oh wait, yeah, sherry Dom. No, sherry Dah. Oh wait, yeah, sherry Dom. No, sherry Dahmer. Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 1 17:38

That's not the right movie, though. No, you're looking at Dahmer. That was on Netflix.

Speaker 2 17:45

No, I'm looking at oh, no, I'm looking at Monster, not Monsters. Yeah, that's different. See, that's Monsters.

Speaker 1 17:51

No this is Monsters, the Lyle and Eric Menendez story. Now there are two other things called monster. Well, there's the movie, right, with Halle Berry. There's the thing about Jeffrey Dahmer, right. So be careful when you're looking around, for it. Right, Make sure you get Monsters. The Lyle and Eric Menendez story yeah, you want that one, but so they use in Monsters and they have an amazing soundtrack and it is very much highlighted by Milli Vanilli hits.

Speaker 2 18:35

Right.

Speaker 1 18:36

Which is accurate to the time and it's also so interesting about. You know, it's like a metaphor in a metaphor. Like a metaphor in a metaphor. So these guys who supposedly had these big hit songs but it wasn't really them, Right, they were just looking good and lip syncing.

Speaker 2 19:06

Right Now, I will say that I'm not in favor of lip syncing anyway, even if it's the artist who really sang the song. But that happens a lot, Sure. Oh, I do want to mention it didn't happen on SNL the other night, though.

Speaker 1 19:27

Must see, must be seen Speaking of Must See, Must Be Seen was SNL with John Mulaney and Chapel Roan. Yeah, okay, must Be Seen the whole show was. Every segment.

Speaker 2 19:46

Another one. When we got done with it, you said you know what, we could just press play and I'd watch it again. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 19:54

Didn't you feel similarly?

Speaker 2 19:55

Absolutely yes, because it was unusually, every sketch hit right. You know, none of them went on too long. They weren't too weirdly cerebral. You know, they were all hilarious. John Mulaney and Chapel Rowan was amazing.

Speaker 1 20:18

She was and I loved watching her. Now, usually I can't stand to watch music acts.

Speaker 2 20:34

Yeah, we don't normally watch them.

Speaker 1 20:36

On television at all, but on SNL in particular.

Speaker 2 20:39

We did watch Stevie Nicks.

Speaker 1 20:41

Right.

Speaker 2 20:42

Like last week or the week before or whatever.

Speaker 3 20:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:45

Because we had to, that's right and that was worth it. It was worth it, and so was this Chaperone was worth it and Anne was this Chaperone was worth it? And Anne thought she was lip syncing and I'm watching. At one point she's doing it really good, and then she went off script and she wasn't faking it, so yeah, Well, SNL has been having trouble with their audio on and off. Yeah, they have.

Speaker 1 21:17

On several episodes this year Anyway.

Speaker 2 21:23

Those guys. Those guys got fired and now they're working for a political campaign Campaign.

Speaker 1 21:30

Oh, yeah, well, anyway, chapel Roan was so interesting to watch. I've heard a lot about her and that she's this hot lesbian. I mean, this is all in quotes. This is what I've heard. Yeah, okay, okay, this is all in quotes. This is what I've heard.

Speaker 1 21:51

Yeah okay, okay. So pop star, hot lesbian pop star that everyone adores, she's it right now, and so that's what I knew. I didn't know what she looks like, what she sounds like, any of her songs, none, none of it, and I'm really glad I got to watch her. The only reason I watched her was because of how good the rest of the show was and because of John. Mulaney in, who, in whom I have so much faith.

Speaker 2 22:31

Yeah, well, there is a reason John Mulaney's hosted SNL six times.

Speaker 1 22:36

And he's like 25. He's not obviously, but he's 40, I think.

Speaker 2 22:44

Yeah, and he used to be the head writer there, and that was when he was a kid pretty much.

Speaker 1 22:51

He's amazing, john Mulaney. Yeah, he's very, very funny. I've never seen him be unfunny or unclever. He's brilliant.

Speaker 2 23:04

The cold open was brilliant. Yes, it was With the mamala.

Speaker 1 23:10

Yes, you must see it.

Speaker 2 23:12

You must see it.

Speaker 1 23:13

That's all there is to it.

Speaker 2 23:15

And then, of course, his monologue was so funny.

Speaker 1 23:22

Always.

Speaker 2 23:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:23

Every special he's ever done, every everything he's ever done, is pretty extraordinary. Also, pete Davidson was on. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 23:39

Yeah, and Andy Samberg.

Speaker 1 23:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:43

Because he's Doug. He is the Doug and Dana Carvey is Joe Biden Right, the Doug and Dana Carvey is Joe Biden Right and Jim Gaffigan is Tim Walls. I love his Tim Walls stuff.

Speaker 1 23:59

It's very funny. The whole thing is great.

Speaker 2 24:03

Anyway, yeah, the whole thing hit with me and most of it doesn't you know anymore. But now this last one, every single one of them was hilarious.

Speaker 1 24:16

There's a new podcast. Well, this podcast is actually a year old. So when I say new, new to me.

Speaker 2 24:24

Okay.

Speaker 1 24:25

And I recommend it. It's called Classy, and the guy who does it, the guy who wrote and who narrates, is called I call him Jonathan Minibar.

Speaker 3 24:46

Okay.

Speaker 1 24:47

His name is Jonathan Minibar.

Speaker 2 24:52

Minibar yes, okay, minibar, I like Minibar. Minivar yes, okay, minivar, I like Minivar. It's funny.

Speaker 1 24:56

It's hard for me not to. Initially, that was a mnemonic I came up with because I kept forgetting it. Now it's hard for me not to say Jonathan Minivar, right, because you can sort of say it like I just did.

Speaker 2 25:11

Right, so where you can almost not tell that you're getting it right, or? Wrong which I?

Speaker 1 25:18

love. Yeah, it's not like my favorite one of all time was remember Ahmadinejad.

Speaker 2 25:26

I've heard of him.

Speaker 1 25:27

Well, Katie Couric's mnemonic for him was well, I don't know if she came up with it or if her staff did Uh-huh, Probably her staff. I'm a dinner jacket. Oh okay, Ahmadinejad.

Speaker 2 25:46

I get it.

Speaker 1 25:47

I totally get it. So, anyway, now, many of our is not as hard to say as afm adina jod, but anyway, it's m-e-n-j-i-v-a-r. And it's a spanish name, classy. The podcast is about class and what class means in this country, and so what do you mean?

Speaker 2 26:19

Like?

Speaker 1 26:19

I'm getting there. So it's like what is working class and what does that mean? What's lower class, middle class, upper class? What do those things mean? Now, if you look them up, you're going to see that it's an income ladder.

Speaker 2 26:38

Right, an economic sort of thing, yeah Right.

Speaker 1 26:41

But it's other stuff too I agree, yeah. It's social stuff.

Speaker 2 26:48

Political stuff.

Speaker 1 26:49

Political, um, political stuff, political, mainly social, um, I would say as a big, big term for it. And so you you may be broke, let's say but if you went to such and such a school, or you come from such and such a place, or you know, what does race have to do with it? What do all the things have to do with it.

Speaker 1 27:47

So, and Jonathan Menhebar interviews all kinds of people who are in different, who come from different backgrounds or different places in their lives or different places in their lives, and he explores. One of the people he talks to is Terry Gross, for whom he used to work. Oh okay, he worked at NPR, he worked on Fresh Air and he also worked on this American Life. Anyway, the whole thing is really interesting. Some of it's funny. It's kind of billed as funny. I don't find it funny. I find it extremely interesting.

Speaker 2 28:47

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 28:48

And especially the Terry Gross episode. Interesting, cool, extremely interesting, you know, and also how people changed their lives Like, what would you say, like, if you had to assign class to Terry Gross, what would you?

Speaker 2 29:11

Because I don't know what her economic class is, but I do know she's got kind of a fancy job yeah.

Speaker 1 29:20

I mean she's got to be worth many millions yeah.

Speaker 2 29:24

So she's got to be, you know, upper class-ish, or at least way upper middle class. I mean, you know, if she doesn't feel like she crosses the barrier into upper class, you know, maybe she feels she's like middle class, but she'd be at the high end of that, she'd have to be.

Speaker 1 29:45

But when she was born, the family she was born into was what you'd call working class.

Speaker 2 29:54

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 29:55

Which I'm still not sure what that even is. But working class is below middle class.

Speaker 2 30:05

I see, okay, okay, I'm not really sure what that is either. Then, to tell you the truth, because I would have said that my old man, ted, was a working class guy- Right. But you know he owned two houses.

Speaker 1 30:25

Right.

Speaker 2 30:25

That doesn't you know. That's not. That's pretty, you're in the middle class. If you got two houses on the same street, you know one that your in-laws are living in.

Speaker 1 30:39

Right. But and he did this all on his salary, so Right, well, that's the thing too, but he was like a welder.

Speaker 2 30:47

so he was a working class guy. That's what I would call him, but I don't know. Economically I think that might put him into a different place.

Speaker 1 30:57

Well, economically, you know, you're talking about a time when a welder could support a family on one salary Right.

Speaker 2 31:10

That is true, yeah.

Speaker 1 31:11

That doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 2 31:13

Right also true. So, this was only in the 1970s, though, right, I understand.

Speaker 1 31:22

It's not that long ago that a person, that a family of five, six, could be supported on one salary yeah, and not on some, you know, incredible salary.

Speaker 2 31:43

Right On a working class salary?

Speaker 1 31:45

Yeah, that doesn't. There's no such thing anymore.

Speaker 2 31:48

Can't do that anymore, I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 31:50

So this is current. This is sort of how things are now, or, say, in the last 20 years. So anyway, it's a good podcast. Classy is what it's called, and I recommend it. Classy is what it's called and I recommend it. I, oh, let me tell you the Diplomat season two. For me it already came and went. It's so good. The Diplomat is so good. If you have not seen it, watch it. It's Keri Russell and she plays this fascinating person who's the American ambassador to the UK and she is the wife of the former ambassador to the UK.

Speaker 2 32:53

I see.

Speaker 1 32:57

So it's just so interesting. And then season two, things really develop and get super high tension, high drama.

Speaker 2 33:12

Okay.

Speaker 1 33:13

Thrilling Allison Janney comes into the cast.

Speaker 2 33:17

Oh, awesome.

Speaker 1 33:19

She's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 33:20

Yeah, she's going to add a lot of fun to anything. I love her.

Speaker 1 33:23

And she is quite the villain, which isn't a role you see her in really very much. She's usually a good natured sort of person, but she's a great villain, fantastic, anyway, she's great at anything.

Speaker 2 33:48

Hey, I have a podcast recommendation. What's that Well, you know of it. I don't know if you listen to it anymore, but Desert Island.

Speaker 1 33:59

Discs.

Speaker 2 34:02

Oh yeah, this is a show that started on BBC Radio 4 in 1942. And it is still going. And the show starts with a premise hey, you're off on a desert island and you have what? Four records or something you can take with you. Yeah, what are they?

Speaker 2 34:24

And they're asking this of famous people. Now, most of these people are British, so you're going to get a lot of British stuff. You may not know a lot of them, but I'm looking at the list right here. Here's Adele from October and then Donald Sutherland they did a repeat of a broadcast just after he passed away. Anyway, it's a very cool show and you can learn and hear about some very cool music.

Speaker 1 35:00

Now, this used to be Desert Island. Discs was always a radio show.

Speaker 2 35:04

It still is a radio show, but they podcast it like we do. Fantastic, we have a radio show that gets podcasted. Right, fantastic, we have a radio show that gets podcasted.

Speaker 1 35:13

Right, well, I honestly didn't know that it was still currently being who's the host?

Speaker 3 35:24

now One second.

Speaker 1 35:26

I know that there's I had that a second ago here. It's not the same host that it started with.

Speaker 2 35:30

No, it's Lauren Laverne who started in 2018.

Speaker 1 35:35

Well, I did not know that it was still going that they were still making new ones, and I'm glad that I know, because I'll definitely start listening again. I kind of thought I had listened to all of them, but I have several years worth to catch up on.

Speaker 3 35:54

Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:56

And there are some. There are always fantastic musical discoveries to be had artists or songs or albums, whatever it is, that are new to me, even if the names aren't new to me, Right.

Speaker 2 36:23

And it's a great show. Now, it's not just about records either. It's records You're also allowed, you're given automatically the complete works of Shakespeare, and either the Bible or some other religious book that you would like to have. And then they're prompted to select a third book, and a lot of people pick Charles Dickens or Jane Austen. Judi Dench actually has macular degeneration and she was permitted to take an audiobook.

Speaker 3 36:55

Well, that's nice, yeah, isn't that nice?

Speaker 2 36:58

Yes, anyway it's this very, very cool. And then they ask you're also permitted one luxury? Oh yeah, and let's see. And let's see when they talked to John Cleese he was allowed to take Michael Palin with him on the condition that Michael Palin was dead and stuffed.

Speaker 1 37:23

Oh my God, Well, that's some classic Python right, there, that's right, but I'm trying to think. I can't remember any luxury items such as what do they mean by that? That you can take. What does that mean? You can just bring one thing essentially.

Speaker 2 37:46

Well, let's see, princess Michael of Kent chose her pet cat, see Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 37:56

So there you go.

Speaker 2 37:57

Okay, so we're not talking about anything realistic here, but it's supposed to be inanimate and of no use in escaping or allowing communication.

Speaker 1 38:06

Right.

Speaker 2 38:08

But the princess did get special dispensation for the cat.

Speaker 1 38:11

Well, she doesn't deserve it, and John?

Speaker 2 38:13

Cleese was given special dispensation to the cat she doesn't deserve, and john cleese was given special dispensation to take michael palin, provided none of that is acceptable.

Speaker 1 38:20

Okay, in my opinion I might want a supply of red lipstick. I'm just saying I don't know.

Speaker 2 38:29

I think that's a very good idea.

Speaker 1 38:31

They would like that. Needless to say, people think of what it is that they're going to do.

Speaker 2 38:58

Okay, well, another thing that I've been watching that really is terrific is Lincoln Lawyer, which also on netflix.

Speaker 1 39:02

all right, another series, yes, yeah, based on the, and I really like it because it's uh, each season is one story. It's like Slow Horses it's the same, it's another one.

Speaker 2 39:14

Oh, I see One major case with a bunch of little sub things going on.

Speaker 1 39:20

So the season is yeah, say you've got 10 episodes or eight episodes, however many episodes, it's all about one thing, one story, and it keeps you. I really like that, I like that format, I like a season that isn't, I think, trying to wrap up a story in whatever in under an hour. That's kind of hard. And then you know, do eight of those to make a season Like television, like network television.

Speaker 2 40:08

Right.

Praising Quality Writing in Lincoln Lawyer

Speaker 1 40:09

Eh, you know it ends up being watered down. It doesn't end up being you, you know. A standing ovation for chloe savigny and javier bardem no, no you know. But this is where you have character development. You have to have good writing. Who, what show? Is it the david? David e kelly? Is it lincoln lawyer?

Speaker 2 40:38

uh, I don't know. Does he have another? Does he have a show?

Speaker 1 40:43

yeah, he's got something that I've been watching, that he wrote or is writing. Let me look it up Lincoln Lawyer yes.

Speaker 1 40:56

So you have writing by David E Kelly. So right there you're looking at a particular quality. You've got really good quality writing, so I recommend it. I think it's great. It's not. It's not gonna you know it's hard for me not to compare everything to monsters it's not going to take you to the highest highs and the lowest lows. It's a nice drama. It's got some lighter moments in it and the characters are all quite likable and interesting.

Speaker 2 42:01

So I say go for it, yeah's good, it's good. And uh, and I I saw a clip the other day from it. I was telling you I saw it and I'm like, oh yay, I was happy because I saw Bernie Koppel. Oh it's.

Speaker 1 42:18

Bernie.

Speaker 2 42:20

Koppelman or something I think. No, it's just Koppel with no man on the end of it. But he plays Marvin Beadleman on the Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah, he has a little spot on there and he was Doc on the love boat. I recognized him right away. I'm like wow, someone's giving this guy a job. I'm very happy to see him.

Speaker 1 42:42

Well, he's the same age as Quincy Jones was he's 90.

Speaker 2 42:48

Wow, bernie, well, I was glad to see him and he looked good.

Speaker 1 42:51

So yeah, bernie, well I was glad to see him and he looked good. So yeah, I don't. I've got to say I'm not sure, I don't know. I'll have to find out who he is. On Lincoln Lawyer.

Speaker 2 43:09

Yeah, he plays a jeweler Right On Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah, he plays a jeweler.

Speaker 1 43:13

Right, and either I haven't seen him yet or I did and I didn't recognize him. Oh yeah that could be, which is very possible, because he is very old, yeah, and he looks it, which you know, when you get to 90, you've earned it.

Speaker 2 43:32

Oh, yeah, oh yeah, you know, when you get to 90, you've earned it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you have. But I mean, I recognized him right away and he looked really good, so anyway.

Speaker 1 43:42

Somebody Somewhere.

Speaker 2 43:44

Oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 43:45

I mentioned it, yep, but make sure you're watching it. God it's amazing, it's so good. Sure you're watching it. God it's amazing, it's so good and I can sort of see where this third and final season is going and I think we've got a relatively happy ending coming well, I hope so, you know, because I think so?

Speaker 2 44:12

because this show really has so much real in it that it can be pretty harsh well, it can be yeah, I think it can just be so poignant so painful, um, but within reality.

Speaker 1 44:32

yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, nobody's murdering their parents. No, no, although that was reality, but yeah, well, I mean day to day, for kind of anyone. I mean, this could be anywhere in America, Right, these people could be anywhere. Yeah, and they are. This takes place in Manhattan right, these people could be anywhere.

Speaker 1 44:54

Yeah, true, and they are. This takes place in Manhattan, kansas. So this show and it's a beautiful portrait, in some ways, of this country, you know, I would call it the best of this country, or this country under its best, best circumstances. Okay, yep, so um, and that being said, it's excellent. It's just excellent. Bridget Everett is one of my favorite people of all time. She was on Fresh Air with Terry Gross not too long ago Great episode. Check it out, listen to it. I highly recommend.

Speaker 1 45:51

And I did mention Quincy Jones briefly before who just passed away and I was looking at trying to look at some of his accomplishments.

Speaker 2 46:30

And the reason I say trying is because just his Wikipedia is.

Speaker 1 46:32

I don't know. 30 pages long, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean this quincy jones did everything and his career was like 70 years long.

Speaker 2 46:47

He never stopped, isn't it? Yeah, I know he kept going and it and it's wonderful I don't know he's been. He did Frank Sinatra stuff, right. Yeah, he Fly Me to the Moon, right.

Speaker 1 47:05

I know, and what blows me away is he did Leslie Gore, he did, it's my Party, yeah, gore, he did, it's my Party, yeah. And when we said he did, he produced, he wrote, he was a jazz arranger and conductor and then he went into pop music and film scores and he would go in and out of genres Count Basie, and he would go in and out of genres, count Basie.

Speaker 2 47:39

Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 47:41

So he's got just more. And then he did all the Michael Jackson, the biggest Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 47:50

Right, beat it and Thriller Off the.

Speaker 1 47:53

Wall Thriller Bad. Yeah, he did those albums. He also was like Herbie Hancock and oh, it's endless, it's endless, yeah it is really Because he worked with everybody.

Speaker 2 48:13

Everybody wanted to. It's endless. Yeah, it is really because he worked with everybody. Everybody wanted to work with him. For one thing, because he was just so amazing at what he did. Plus, he raised a very cool, clever girl.

Speaker 1 48:29

Two of them, rashida.

Speaker 2 48:33

Right, that's the one I'm speaking of.

Speaker 1 48:35

But there's another one also.

Speaker 2 48:39

Well, I apologize for forgetting who that is.

Speaker 1 48:44

Oh darn it. See, I'm having trouble, folks. As you probably heard me mention, I'm having some visual disturbances and I'm having trouble.

Speaker 2 49:00

Cadada.

Speaker 3 49:04

Or Cadada yeah.

Speaker 2 49:06

C-A-D-A-D-A.

Speaker 1 49:08

Oh, is that a daughter of his? Yeah, I thought there was another actress.

Speaker 2 49:14

Kenya. Kinski Jones, Martina Jones, Rachel Jones.

Speaker 1 49:20

So he has tons of daughters.

Speaker 2 49:23

It looks like they might be granddaughters even, but yeah.

Speaker 1 49:27

Well, anyway, he was, of course, married to Peggy Lipton, and I don't know who I'm even speaking to right now who would know who Peggy Lipton is? Well, I do well, there was this thing called the Mod Squad. A hundred years ago and with Pete and Julie, and Link Pete. Link and Julie.

Speaker 2 49:55

Link went on to be a kind of a star, didn't he?

Speaker 1 49:58

And you know I don't even know other than Peggy Lipton, who was Julie. I couldn't tell you the names of the guy, who were Link and Pete.

Speaker 2 50:12

Clarence Williams. The third was yeah and he had played um. Let's see he. He didn't go on very. I think he died. His name is his name. Was Pete actually Pete? Pete actually Pete Cochran? No, michael Cole was his name.

Speaker 1 50:37

Hmm, he was Pete.

Speaker 2 50:39

Yeah. Oh and he's still around. He's 84 years old.

Speaker 3 50:43

Oh my.

Speaker 2 50:43

God.

Speaker 1 50:45

I thought he passed away. He's 84?.

Speaker 2 50:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1 50:49

Oh, oh, I can't stand it.

Speaker 2 50:51

Yeah, I don't remember anything from him after that. Well the Mod.

Speaker 1 50:59

Squad is from 1968.

Speaker 2 51:02

I loved that show when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 51:05

Well, we did too, and we were little kids. I don't honestly remember what we thought I mean. When I think of it now and I certainly you know I was a little kid- yeah. My memories of it are faint, to say the least. I don't remember if I liked it.

Speaker 2 51:38

I know there were lots of bell bottoms and lots of action Head bit, you know scarves. Everybody was undercover and you know yeah, it was? I don't know, it was pretty cool. It was a crime drama yeah it was like they were undercover cops and they would go in high schools or wherever they figured they could fit Julie in somewhere.

Speaker 1 52:00

Guess who the executive producers were? I will tell you. Okay, aaron Spelling, I was about to say that. And Danny Thomas, danny Thomas, how about?

Speaker 2 52:09

that? Okay, I did not know that, and it was a Thomas Spe, danny Thomas. How about that Okay? I did not know that.

Speaker 3 52:14

And it was a.

Speaker 1 52:15

Thomas Spelling production. How about that? Anyway, I know that we are probably saying a lot of names.

Speaker 2 52:25

Yeah, we're saying names and titles that no one knows. But yeah, I don't, can you even? Are there even copies of Mod Squad around anywhere for anybody to see?

Speaker 1 52:36

Well, that's what I'm wondering about. That would be cool to see.

Speaker 3 52:39

actually, I would think so.

Speaker 1 52:40

Yeah, I would think on YouTube. Yeah, there is. It's Mod Squad TV show theme opening season one. Yeah, there's some stuff on YouTube.

Speaker 2 52:57

I'm going to have to take a look at it. You can also buy the whole thing on DVD.

Speaker 1 53:03

Oh, okay, which, if you still have a DVD player, who are?

Speaker 2 53:10

you. Well, I mean, if you have a PlayStation, you have a DVD player.

Speaker 1 53:14

True, you Well. I mean, if you have a PlayStation, you have a DVD player. That's cool, yeah.

Speaker 2 53:19

That being said, of course, if you have one that takes discs, because now you know, even with the PlayStation 4, you could buy one that didn't take discs, right.

Speaker 1 53:29

Well, I.

Speaker 2 53:30

So you know, tread lightly people, I don't know. Be careful, be careful out there, that's all I'm saying, really.

Speaker 1 53:38

You know, I know. Do you know what this is, people? Maybe you do. You will in a second, if you don't right now. This is we are the world, which is a song that contains the voices of everyone in the world, pretty much.

Speaker 2 54:15

And all wrangled by Quincy.

Speaker 1 54:17

Jones. So we leave you with arguably his most famous production of all time and urge you for Quincy Jones to put a light on we all are part of God's great big family.

Speaker 3 54:47

We are all a part of God's great big family.

Speaker 3 54:49

And the truth, you know, love is all we need. We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We're saving our own lives, it's true, we make a better day, just you and me. Well, send them your heart so they know that someone else and their lives will be stronger and free, as God has shown us by turning stone to bread. And so we all must lend a helping hand. We are the world, we are the children, we are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. Oh, there's a choice we're making. We're saving our own lives. It's true, we make a better day, just you and me. When you're done and out, there seems no hope at all. But if you just believe there's no, nowhere we can fall. Well, well, well, all of the real are All that a change can become when we stand together as one. We are the world. We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We'll stake it out on life. Soon we'll make a better day, just you and me. We are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We're saving our own lives.

Speaker 3 57:31

It's true, we make a better day, just you and me.

Speaker 3 57:37

We are the world, we are the children.

Speaker 3 57:42

We are the ones who make a better day.

Speaker 3 57:49

So let's start giving. There's a trust in the air. Just say it with all your heart. It's do we make a better day? Just you and me. All right, let me hear you. We are the world. We are the world. We are the children. We are the world. We are the children. We are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. Let's start giving. There's a charge we're making. We're saving our own lives.

Speaker 3 58:24

It's true, we make a brighter day. It's just you and me. Come on now. Let me hear you. We are the world. We are the world. We are the children. We are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start giving. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We're our own lives.

Speaker 3 58:53

It's true, we make a better day, just you and me.

Speaker 3 58:55

We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a better day. So let's start giving. There's a choice we're making. We are the ones who make a better day, so let's start giving. So let's start giving. There's a choice we'll make and we're saving everyone's lives. It's true, we'll make a better day. It's you and me. We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones. We are the children. We are the ones who make a better day. So let's not give in and let's fight for the end. We're saving our own lives. We're supposed to make a better day. Yes, you and me. We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones that make a better day. So let's not give in. There's a choice, we'll make it. We're saving our own lives. It's true, we make a better day, just you and me. We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's start the other way. There's a choice we're making. We are the ones who make the brighter day, so let's start the other way. All right, let's get to doing what I said. As I talk from the dead, we're saving our lives. It's true, we're making better days, just you and me. All right, let's start again.