Two Jeremys Walk Into A Springsteen Movie

The penultimate day of the year can make anyone reach for easy summaries—good year, bad year—but we found the truth in the details: a Springsteen biopic that drowns in mood, a Nuremberg remake that forgets to choose a spine, and a baking show that rescues the night with butter and wit. We went into Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere expecting a guilty pleasure anchored by Jeremy Allen White, Jeremy Strong, and a scene-stealing turn from Marc Maron. What we found was a beautifully sung but relentlessly gloomy meditation on trauma, studio minutiae, and dark rooms that rarely let the music breathe. The vocals are uncanny. The storytelling, not so much. We unpack why the early Asbury Park setup intrigues, why the middle sags, and how a few smart choices could have shown the artist’s ascent without sandblasting the truth of depression.

Then we tackled Nuremberg—a stellar cast on paper, thin gruel in practice. Rami Malek, Russell Crowe, and company circle gripping moments: a tense capture on a ruined road, forbidden letters carried between a cell and a family, a last-minute reveal that should land harder. The facts are there; the point of view is not. We talk about adaptation discipline, how courtroom history needs a thesis, and why performances can’t rescue a script that won’t commit.

Needing a lift, we turned to the most reliable comfort in modern media: holiday baking. Duff’s grin, Nancy’s standards, and a cast that actually surprises—especially Nico, whose star-shaped wreath and marzipan mischief made us howl. And then a box at the door changed everything: Wildgrain frozen loaves and croissants that perfume the house and restore faith in simple ritual. We also detoured into a wild collectible story—the final three U.S. pennies and their mint dies selling for a shockingly low $800,000—Stockholm’s record-dark December, and why Cape Cod calls pot stickers “Peking ravioli.”

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Transcript

Year-End Mood And Station Welcome

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Hello. Welcome to the Anne Lavine Show. Starring Michael over there.

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Hello.

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It is December 30th.

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Yeah.

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2025. It's the last day. Well, the second to last day.

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The penultimate day of the year.

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Of 2025.

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Yeah, how about that?

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And there are always those people out there that say, uh, I'm so glad this year is over.

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Yeah.

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I'm not feeling that this year.

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We used to we used to go through that kind of every year. And then we realized, you know what, we say this every year, and why? I mean, it's like so every year is gonna be miserable. Right? Yeah. You're like, next year's gonna be so much better, and then you get to the end of the year and you're like, man, this year sucked. Let's get to the next one.

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Yeah, man.

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It's just, you know.

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Yeah. No, it's true.

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And it's a habit that uh that I noticed that I've had over the years.

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So yeah, it's Yeah, and it's just uh what do you do? You sit around and think about all the bad stuff that happened to you in the last year. Yeah. Right. And then you're like, oh, next year's gonna be great. No bad stuff's gonna happen. Right. And uh. Yeah. So far, the evidence is not that. Uh so welcome. We are coming to you from W OMR 92.1 FM in Provincetown, Massachusetts.

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And WFMR 91.3 FM Orleans, and we're streaming worldwide at WOMR dot or G. Thanks for tuning in, folks.

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Thank you very much for tuning in. And for tuning in all this last year, and all of the other years. And all of the coming year.

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Yeah.

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I know you'll all still be tuning in. Because you love us and we love you. I saw some not so good things. I saw some things that are good to leave in 2025.

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Oh, okay.

Springsteen Biopic: Hype Meets Gloom

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One of them surprised me because I thought it was at least gonna be a guilty pleasure.

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Okay. Right.

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And that is Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere. Ah, yes.

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Starring Jeremy Allen White, right?

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Jeremy Allen White. The delightful, the occasionally delicious Jeremy Allen White.

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Yeah.

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It also had in it Jeremy Strong. Yeah. A second Jeremy.

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Right, another Jeremy.

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And to round it out, Mark Marin.

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Right. I mean, um doesn't really balance. It's still a little Jeremy heavy, but it is very much so.

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Uh now, these are three actors that I'm fond of for various reasons.

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I love to see Mark Marin and stuff, especially because I don't expect to see him in stuff. Yeah. Like um, what was he? He was in the movie with Queen, right? He was like a record producer or something in the in the the Freddie Mercury movie. And I'm like, whoa, that's Mark Maron. How in the heck did he get in this movie?

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Well, that's the exact same thing that happened in this movie. Right. Because he played a record engineer. He played a studio engineer. Gotcha, yeah. Basically, all they have for him to do is play some s some kind of music something.

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Right. Someone in the entertainment business somehow. Yeah.

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And that has been the case ever since Almost Famous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Right? When he does the lock the gate. Right. Right? Okay. Well, I'm going to start by saying this movie sucked. And it depressed me so much because I thought, even it was if it was lousy, I'm going to love it.

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Yeah. Because And you didn't. I did not love it. Okay, all right, all right.

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It was all about Bruce's beginnings. Um his very beginnings at the Stone Pony in Asbury Park, New Jersey.

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Right, yeah.

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Um, and that was fun. It was like kind of exciting, like, oh, we're starting at the Stone Pony where it all started.

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Kind of a film ends there, too, basically, right?

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Asbury Park? Oh, yeah, in Asbury Park, not at the Stone Pony. Yeah. And then his girlfriend, the first girlfriend, Faye. I was like, oh, she's here. Yay, the gang's all here. And this is gonna be exciting.

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Yeah.

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Well, there was lots of stuff about his childhood, which was horrible. He got beaten to a pulp like his dad. I mean, by his dad.

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Yeah.

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Um, his mom got beaten to a pulp by his dad constantly. They were constantly screaming at each other. His dad was a boozer, a smoker. Just, he was also that guy that we know from Boardwalk Empire, and we just saw him in something else. He's like a short guy. He's got kind of squinty eyes. Uh, can you look it up and see see who played? Because you're gonna know this guy in the show.

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The short, squinty guy in Boardwalk Empire or no.

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Look up um Bruce Springsteen or Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere. Right. And you'll know him the second you see him. He played Springsteen's dad. Oh, okay. Um Jeremy Strong was the most interesting of the actors because you'll best know him from Succession, and he played uh You mean the guy that played Capone? Yes.

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Oh, all right. Uh where'd he go? I I just had him here. Stephen Graham is his name.

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That guy played Bruce's father.

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Oh, wow, okay.

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Now he could win best supporting. Okay. But no one else in this film's going anywhere. Uh and I'll tell you why, because it it was all about Bruce Springsteen, and not a lot of people know this, suffered with extreme clinical depression his whole life, and he still does. Uh but when he was young and when he first started getting famous, he had a total breakdown that lasted a year. Um, and he did some really weird stuff musically, uh that the company didn't want to even put out, even though he was like number one. It ended up going to three on the charts anyway. I can't remember what it was called. I can't remember anything about it, really.

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Because the movie really didn't stick in your head, did it?

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Well, it yeah, it was so depressing, and it was also it was hard to understand. Like they they went in deep about what it was like recording back then, um, and the kind of equipment that was and wasn't available, the fact that cassettes were brand new, yeah, yeah, and were sort of the new technology, and how do you do that? And nobody understood it. It it went into a lot of that a little too deep. I found it that part of it kind of fascinating, but a lot of people won't.

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So what did you like about it?

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Jeremy Strong.

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Uh-huh. The Jeremy number two.

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Right. Yeah. Jeremy Strong, who was such an interesting character, partly because you kept looking at him and thinking, when did he lose all his hair? Um that was one of the things you kept thinking. But also, where do I know him from? He really played.

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He's been in a lot of different things. He was in the big short.

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Yep. Um and there was something since Trial of the Chicago Seven. Something since Succession.

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Masters of Sex.

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He was uh on yeah, he was uh no, something since Succession, something more recent.

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Um he played Ray uh Khan in the The Apprentice. That's it, that's what he's done since The Apprentice? Yeah, not the television show. I mean, it was a it was a movie about um a young man took over his father's real estate business in the 70s and 80s and got the help of a famous closeted gay lawyer.

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Oh, the old closeted gay lawyer.

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Yeah.

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Now this was something it it might have been television or streaming um that I'm thinking of, maybe not a film. But anyhow, uh what an incredible actor. He's a Brit, first of all. Yeah. Which is shocking when you hear him like in an interview.

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Yes. And I know you don't expect it because his uh his American is real good.

Performances, Music Choices, And Missteps

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And he played this very gentle character who was trying to wrangle Bruce String. And by wrangle, I mean um not in some bully sort of way, but trying to like keep him on the street and narrow. In other words, keeping keep him from self-sabotaging and yeah, from falling into the abyss. Yeah. And he was very gentle, careful, and he loved him. They loved each other um as friends. They were they were very close, and that was a nice relationship. Um, and even his relationship with his dad um in the end was very beautiful. So the beginning and the end were great. The problem was the two hours in the middle. Ah, yes.

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That uh typically is the problem.

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And the the music that they chose it all came from mostly came from the Born to Run album, and what was just prior to that, I cannot remember. He had a first album that first propelled him um to the top. The one that I'm on fire was on. Um, anyhow, it was a lot of seeing Bruce Springsteen. Greeting for greetings from Asbury Park? Yes.

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Yeah.

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Okay, that's a lot of seeing him alone in rooms journaling and trying to figure out who he is, who he was, who he will be, what's going on, you know, why does he feel so terrible? Um, and then a lot of flashbacks of him being a kid, being beaten up. Right.

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How how did we get to this place anyway? Right.

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And so they that was the whole movie.

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Yeah.

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You know, you never got to, except at the very, very, very end, which was like five minutes, you never got to see anything. You never got to see anything. You know, the development of him musically, um the development of the fame. Uh, there were a way too many scenes of him driving too fast in cars on the back roads of Jersey. Uh that was kind of it.

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Yeah.

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It was gloomy.

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Ugh, it was gloomy. So what did you think of the singing? Because the singing was now that Jeremy Allen White, correct?

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That was miraculous. He wa yeah, he sounds great. He sounded incredible. And when I was listening to, for instance, I'm on fire, a song I know really well. Uh it I had no concept that someone else was singing it. In fact, until you just said that just now, it never occurred to me. Oh, that's Jeremy Allen White.

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Uh-huh.

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Now, as far as looking like Springsteen, uh-uh.

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No, it doesn't look so much like him, no.

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That didn't work.

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No.

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Um, even though they kept the cinematography um was it was dark, you know, so to go with the mood. Right. Yeah. But in a way also that you could get away from Jeremy Allen White's sparkling intense turquoise eyes.

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Right, right, yeah.

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Uh so that you didn't have that distraction. Um, so it didn't exactly look like Jeremy Allen White.

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Right.

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It looked exactly nothing like Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Nothing. Yeah, zero.

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Zero. But the voice when it came out of him, it was weird.

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That was crazy.

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It was very, very cool. It was so good.

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And um there was a lot of him sweating. You know, you'd see him like leaving a gig half the time with a towel around his neck, sweating, because he had just been doing some major gig. Right. Like mostly in the Stone Pony.

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Yeah. Well, and and he's notorious for not stopping. Right. Just going on and on and on and on. Right.

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So yeah, he's and the film absolutely went on and on and on and on. Right, yeah. So in that way, it was very much a picture of Bruce Springsteen. I wish it showed, or I wish it at least made a nod to where he lives now. I mean, there were there was so much footage of Asbury Park and of the boardwalk there, of the carousel, and that was all fun, and it was great to see, but I wonder how many people watching that movie that are younger than I am that knew what they were even looking at.

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Yeah, I mean that's that's a good question. I don't I don't really know, but I mean maybe I think the point is to to they were making the point that Asbury Park and Bruce are are completely intertwined. A hundred percent. You know, they cannot be extricated from each other.

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A hundred percent. I just wish that and there are plenty of ways they could have done that.

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Yes, yeah.

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Through dialogue, through through set design, you know, welcome to Asbury Park of a for a picture of that album, you know.

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Right. Or the the well, which has got a which is a postcard.

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Right.

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Greetings from Asbury Park. Exactly.

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Um or you know, knowing that that boardwalk and that carnival, you know, there could have been a sign.

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Yeah.

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I I I mean a literal sign. Yeah just something. There was there were too many threads that were left untied. Um, and I'm sure Jeremy Allen White's gonna get nominated for an Oscar and he's not gonna win. Uh and it's a shame because I was excited about seeing this.

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Yeah.

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Uh I should have known that the fact that it's already on demand on television, right?

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Well that should have been a clue. I don't know. I don't I you know what, I don't think the rules that used to apply that way apply anymore, though. Well, you know, a lot of films don't e I mean they barely hit the theaters now, and they're going straight to streaming.

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Right. So But this was a big Hollywood.

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I know, I know, I understand. Right. And uh and they all want to get back to that point, but. I don't think the in-theater thing is as big a deal as it used to be before.

Nuremberg Remake: Facts Without Fire

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Definitely not. But this should have been.

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And there are some films like Hamnet, which as we're playing uh here in town in uh where we live.

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It's supposedly one of the most affecting, profound films that's been around in a long time. And I am just based on that, and I really wanted to see it, but I didn't get to it while it was here. Uh, as I've said, one of the best books I've ever read, and I really highly strongly recommend reading that book, listening to that book, something with that book before you watch the film. Because the film veers away from the book a little bit in important ways, but in ways that I understand. But go see Hamnet. Yeah. Or read it, or listen to it this week. That is homework. It's not optional. Uh okay. I saw another uh another big sigh of a film. Now, I hate to say this, but it was better than Springsteen Develop Deliver Me From Nowhere.

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Okay.

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And that is Nuremberg.

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Nuremberg, yeah.

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Now I'm not talking about the original, of course.

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No.

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I'm talking about No, there's a brand spankin' new one. Brand Spankin' new.

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Rami Moloch. Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe. All three of them.

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Russell Crow weighs like 300 pounds.

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He's so heavy.

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Enormous.

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And it's not just for this film either. I've seen him in another movie where he's just as big. I think that's just his thing now.

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He played Garing. And he played a bunch of people who were rounded up. A bunch of people, a bunch of Nazis, a bunch of Nazi the few that didn't commit suicide.

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Right.

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Okay, so of course Hitler was gone. What's his face was gone. Um who's the one that went to Brazil? The boys from Brazil. Uh Lawrence Olivier.

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Ben Kingsley. Yeah. Um that's what I remember. Oh, who the heck was that?

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Um I can't think of I I don't know. I think it's good that I can't remember the names of the Nazis at this point in my life. Uh at any rate, so it was about it they spent two minutes showing the capture.

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Mangala.

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Who?

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Mangala. Mangala. He's the one that made it to Brazil. Right. But that got brought back and was turned to dust and dumped in the sea as well befitted him.

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Yeah.

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Um, but anyhow, Nuremberg. So it's about this group of disgusting Nazis that got rounded up and went on trial in Nuremberg. And we're all found guilty. Go figure.

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Yeah. I have a very weird coincidence what to bring up right now. What's that? The Boys from Brazil is filming right now as a television miniseries. Of course it is. And there is a person playing uh Lieberman. Who? Ezra Lieberman, who is who was the guy played by Lawrence Olivier in the movie. Right. It's uh Jeremy Strong.

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Get out!

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No.

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Oh my god.

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Isn't that so bizarre? When does that start? Uh it's cut they're filming it right now, so it's coming out sometime this year. Next year. Sometime. How about that? Next year.

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Oh, I want it to be now. I want to see it. Isn't that something? What a weird coincidence. That's cuckoo. Yeah. I feel like there's something else I saw. Maybe I'll remember. Maybe you'll remember, Michael. There's something else that was streaming that we saw.

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That was Yeah, I've been trying to think of uh we I know there's something that we missed.

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Was it about Jim Thorpe?

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No.

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No. Okay. No, it's not. Um that's an old joke. And no one listening to this is gonna know who Jim Thorpe was. Very fast. So he was a fast man. Um so Nuremberg, right? Yeah. So they round up what, 20 Nazis?

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Yeah, I mean, as many of them as they could catch, yeah.

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Right. Bring them to jail, each one in the little cell in Nuremberg. And then I didn't know this because Nuremberg had been decimated, Nuremberg, the city, had been decimated um by the Allies in World War II, they had to rebuild the interior of that courthouse.

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Yes, yeah.

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Where the famous Nuremberg trials took place.

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Right. Yeah, I knew that.

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Um, and so most of what you experience in this film is Russell Crow, both of them, um, and you said it.

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Well, I said all three of them.

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Oh, three of them, and Rami Malik. And so Rami Malik played what what would you call him? He was a He was a prosecutor, an army uh was he a prosecutor?

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Yeah, I'm uh let me get uh uh let me look.

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He he was an army oh gosh. I don't know what he was, but he was also Jewish. Which you don't know you don't find that out until the end. Um where he tells Garing, you know, I'm a Jew. And and it's like, oh god, really, Rami? Are we really first of all, Rami, I don't know where you could pass for a Jew.

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He's a psychiatrist.

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Okay, so he's like an army psychiatrist. Um, so maybe a little Jewish, I don't know. Um most of what you see is the conversations between the two of them, and some of that is quite interesting. You also see, which was very interesting to me, is Romney delivered Romney. I don't know the name of the guy. Kelly.

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Douglas Kelly was the character's name.

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Douglas Kelly, that old Jewish name. Yeah. Well, Romney could neither pass for Oscar Liebovitz or Douglas Kelly. Um, he looks like Romney Malik. Yeah, yeah. Um and if you squint, he looks like uh Freddie. Freddie. Oh, Mercury.

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Because he was did him in the movie, that's all.

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And the circles under the eyes, the whole thing. Yeah. They couldn't put a little concealer there. Come on! The makeup department should have been fired.

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Yeah, well, you know. Hey, we didn't mention uh uh Richard E. Grant, Colin Hanks, and Michael Shannon are also Oh my gosh!

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That's right. Now they all played, were they all Americans, or did Richard Richard Grant was an American, right? Or was he a Brit?

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Uh no, he was a Brit.

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Wait, who was Colin Hanks?

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I'm about to look up his character.

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Because I don't remember him at all. Yeah. Well, anyway, needless to say, not the most memorable film in the world because I saw this two days ago. Yeah. And I don't remember any of the quote stars, and they were quote stars, are quote stars, but I don't remember anything. Anyway. Gustave Gilbert. Who the heck was that?

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Another psychologist from uh an American psychologist. Uh best known for his writings observing the high-ranking Nazi leaders during the Nuremberg trials. All right.

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Well, see, none of that was made clear. Yeah. Um, this is again, this could have been great. With the same cast, but the writing was appalling. Um and it didn't meet the moment at all. Yeah. It was unfortunate. I was starting to say one of the interesting things was that Douglas Kelly, played by Rami Malik, um would take letters from Gehring to his wife and daughter, who lived in a town not far away from Nuremberg. Uh, and those were very touching, very interesting moments. And of course, that was completely not supposed to have been done.

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Yeah, yeah.

Comfort TV: Holiday Baking Escapism

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And he brought a couple of letters back one time, I think before he was busted. Um, he also had one courtroom outburst, a big one, and they sent him home to America. Yeah, get out of here. Yeah. Um anyway, it had a lot of interesting facts. It didn't have enough. It wasn't filled out enough. The whole scene where they capture Gering, and I started to say this before, was very dramatic and very interesting. And it happened on sort of a road out of Germany, leaving Germany. And of course, here's Triple Gehring in this huge, I don't know, Rolls-Royce army truck or Mercedes army.

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Probably Mercedes, yeah.

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Um, with Nazi flags flying uh in this crowd of people on the street, you know, walking.

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Right.

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All of these horribly bereft, you know, people just walking anywhere, right? And then he shows up in his huge car with his Nazi flags flying, and go figure the Americans showed up. Huh. And um there, but for the grace of I don't know who, he didn't get shot. Um even though he had like ten guns trained on him ready to go. Well, he also didn't make it to trial, so no, he made it to trial. Guring? Yeah. He didn't make it to execution. Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, cut to the end. Um they were all sentenced to death by hanging. Um and you see some of that happening. Um, and then Garing managed to smuggle in a cyanide capsule and took his own life.

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Yep.

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And so he pissed everybody off. Yeah. Especially them so mad. He did. He made them all damn mad. Yep. Uh regardless, he ended up where he should be.

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Yeah.

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Um, so Nuremberg, I can't recommend. I know that comes as a surprise after all my superlatives, but there's another one I can't recommend. What I can recommend is the holiday baking show. Oh, that's a great show. Yeah. And all of those baking shows. I love those things. I mean, it's fun. Everyone talks about the British baking show. I heard Rachel Matta recently on Smartless talking. If you're not listening to Smartless, by the way. You're one of the few people that isn't. Yeah, and you're a bit of a lot of people. Out on so much. Uh now there's a lot of stuff about it, a lot of stuff they do that gets a little tiring, and that some people are very much against. Um, not in a political way, just in a all right, you guys, you know, enough already, because they do the same shtick every week. Anyhow, I adore it. Um so Rachel Maddow was interviewed by the smartless people, Will Arnett, Sean Hayes, Jason Bateman. Um, and they were asking her what her guilty pleasure is. Like, you know, they were saying, when you and Susan, that's Rachel's wife, when you two are alone and you put your feet up and you have a cocktail, what stupid thing or whatever thoughtless thing do you like to watch? And they were saying, Do you watch The Golden Bachelor? And she said, uh no, strangely enough, no. Yeah. But what I love is the British baking show.

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Uh-huh.

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That's everyone's favorite show. Yeah. I also like the American ones.

SPEAKER_04 36:53

I like Yeah, me too. The the great whoever's bake off. They're they were fun shows.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Well, the holiday baking show is still Duff, Nancy, and then the third one is kind of interchangeable. Yeah. This one, it's someone named Car Cartier Cartier Brown Brown. Yeah. Spelled K-A-R-D-E-A. Yeah. I have nothing more to say about that on the air. Okay. Um, and they have a really fabulous cast of bakers. Yeah, this is a this is a good group. Good season. And even though we haven't even gotten to Christmas, really, let alone New Year's Eve, um, in terms of where they are right on the show. Right. Um, we take it slow when it's the bacon show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Um we actually usually wait for all of them to be recorded and then watch the.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

I mean, it's time for the Easter show. Yeah. But anyway, um the the cast, the producers did a great job on the cast this year. Uh especially, I've got one favorite above all, and I don't think he's gonna win. His name is Nico. Uh-huh. He's from Chicago, I believe it is. Right. And he has some kind of a speech impediment, or it might be something physiological.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

So maybe he had a cleft palate, but not a cleft lip, or it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_04 38:55

Something, but it makes it really it makes it sound like he has an accent.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Right. At first, we were thinking, where is he from? He's got an accent. Really fascinating guy. He was an anorexic. Um, he's in recovery. He gained 50 pounds, which is hard to imagine because he barely weighs 50 pounds.

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Yeah, yeah.

Wildgrain Bread Box Rapture

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He is the sweetest, funniest guy.

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And he's really good at this. How old is he? Uh, I don't know, mid-twenties.

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At the most, I would say. Yeah. And I like 25, but I want to be best friends with Nico. You know, he's just so fun and so funny and darling. But he's also clever. He does and he thinks way outside the box.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

Yeah. Um which is something you kind of need to do if you want to be noticed on one of these shows, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Well, unless you gotta do it well. Unless you're gonna be perfect.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

You know, which some of them do. Like, remember the German guy last year? Yeah. And everything he did was like this it was like a sculpture.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

I mean, it was like perfect perfection. Yeah, he was something.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Um well this guy is not that.

SPEAKER_04 40:21

No, no, he's a little more, he's certainly more laid back.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

But his his thoughts about, you know, he's Jewish, and I mention this because they did uh a wreath contest. So you had to make, you know, a cake wreath or a whatever, a confectionary wreath. And he made a wreath in the shape of a Jewish star. Yeah. And which was a cute idea because it was a big circle with the points. But then oh, and there's the naughty team and the nice team.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Oh, that's right. That's the thing they've done uh this season. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

And he's on the naughty team. So he decided what could be more I can't, I'm not gonna try to imitate him. What could be more naughty for uh the holidays for a Jew than a wreath with bacon on it?

SPEAKER_04 41:25

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

So he does this bacon. It sounds delicious, actually. He did like a blondie with bacon in it.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I want some of that.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

I do too. And but then he went over the hill, which this guy always does. He made a little pig to go in the center. And I don't think you saw this. A little marzipan pig. A marzipan pig, a pink pig that was wearing a yarmulca.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

I did not see this at the end. I saw the I saw the drawings of the pig. I don't know what happened after that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

He had pais.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

Oh my god.

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The whole so he made an orthodox peg. Oh my god, that's really with a yarmulke side curls, and it was eating bacon. Eating bacon. So it was a cannibalistic peg with a yarmulke and paeus.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

And on a Jewish wreath. Right. And so he didn't win, but it didn't matter. It was so hilarious. And Duff, who is Jewish, was dying. Just dying. Anyway, and Nancy and Cardier were, I don't know what to do with this. I don't know what to say about this. Right. They were so uncomfortable. Yes. And they were like, when's this perk gonna end? You know, it was too much.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

It's a lot of fun. So it is. And we're we're k we're getting near the end.

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Yes, and we recommend that one.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

And speaking of baking, we got on our front porch.

SPEAKER_04 43:29

Oh, that's right.

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A big, big square box from the Wild Grain Company. A box of bread. If you know, you know. Wow. Now, this is not just a box of bread. This is a box of half. It's a box of dough.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Right.

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Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

It's either uncooked dough or like half cooked, and you have to put you have to continue to unfreeze it and finish it in the oven.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

I'm gonna talk about the croissant.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Yeah, those are those come just frozen and you have to cook them completely, yeah. You bake them completely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

They are so so good. Delicious.

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And they come free in every order, that's the thing. That's the problem. That's the problem. They're so good. And it's 20 minutes in the oven. Ta-da!

SPEAKER_02 44:31

And you're done. I woke up one morning to the smell of fresh baking bread. Yeah. And I almost started crying. It was the best way to wake up. Um and you just put a loaf of this in your oven or whatever it is. They have cookies, they have different kinds of you can get chibata, they have pasta. We didn't get pasta. Sourdough.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

They got yeah, all kinds of sourdough, a rosemary, garlic loaf, baguettes. Oof. You reminded me, I have to get one of those out of the room.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

We gotta throw something in the oven, yeah. ASAP when we get home. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 45:22

Yeah, that's very good stuff.

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I highly recommend that you send someone that you really love, and that can be yourself, send them a box of this stuff, and go heavy on the croissant.

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Yeah.

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It is because four is not enough.

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No.

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No.

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I mean, not for me anyway.

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Not for me. So the best.

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Yeah.

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The best.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Hey, I have a story. Please. And I but it starts uh it starts with a question. Okay. Okay. How much would you pay for the three final pennies ever minted in the United States? Oh. Did that happen or that happened. And there was an auction on December 11th. And the United States government sold the last three pennies that were ever minted. And along with them, the dyes that struck the coins.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

That makes me want to cry. I'm guessing three. I'm guessing we're looking at six million.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

No, not even. What? 800 grand. And you could you could have all the pennies you want. Now you can make all your own. Out of anything you like. You have the you have the dives.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

What were those things called, Michael, that we were allowed to have when we were children? That were these dangerous molds that heated up to like 300 and or oh yeah, like the creepy crawlers too. That's it. And then you'd put like rubber in there and smoke up your basement.

SPEAKER_03 47:15

You betcha. It would stink the whole place up. It was so good.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

Well, you could do that.

SPEAKER_03 47:20

Yeah, you could do that. You could put rubber in these ties.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Sure. 800,000. I'm surprised it wasn't more.

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Yeah, and and um there's uh there there are people that don't quite understand what happened either. Because there are there are coin collectors who are like, you know what, I've been doing this for decades. I've never seen this happen. They may have, you know, yeah, here's the last three pennies, but the dies. That's just so I don't know. That just doesn't make any sense. But uh, you know, to to be selling those. That that those are historical. You should be hanging on to those.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

Oh, I think someday and na and someday soon. You mean there were people who were surprised, like I was just now, yeah, that they didn't sell for way more. Yeah. Uh I I'm I'm very surprised. I will think I believe that someday those three coins and those dies are gonna sell for man!

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Yeah, I one day of merchant. Yeah, I I uh it's so it's just so odd that uh and it was all just one bid. So you buy the pennies, you get the dies, and that's it. Yeah, you know, I mean I could see them all in different lots, even. That would make sense. But uh, you know, but no, no, no, it's all yeah. Where did they sell? Uh I'm not sure exactly where the auction was. But it was a government auction.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Uh I don't know what that means. I mean, in terms of like where government auctions sell.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

Well, they're all over the all over the country.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Dark Stockholm And Odd Food Names

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Well, I I don't know. I'm thinking it was a slow day.

SPEAKER_04 49:30

Maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

That just sounds so weird.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

It does sound kind of weird, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:35

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

It's not even a million dollars for three pennies. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

I'm surprised. Are you? I'm a little surprised, yeah. I mean, I thought it would be at least a couple million. Yeah, me too. And then I thought, nah, it's gotta be more, so I jacked it up. But nope. Jack it on down. I have a question for you. Okay. Unless you have more questions for me.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

I don't have another question. I just have I have another little factoid. Oh, tell us. Well, I just uh this year it's been really super dark in Stockholm. Uh the first half of December has been the darkest it's ever been there since 1934. And they're saying the average number of hours of sunlight for the whole month of December in Stockholm. This is how much sunlight you get for the month. 33 hours. Yeah. And uh and I don't think so. I'm gonna look it up right now, but I don't think. How are they some of the happiest people on earth? I don't even think they had a white Christmas. Um I don't even think it snowed there. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Well, there were a lot of places with white Christmases this year.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Yeah. We had one, kind of. Yeah, kind of. We had a kind of whitish.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

Whitish, yeah. Yeah, off-white. Yeah, grayish.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

Yeah, we had a winter ivory. There you go. That's what I'm saying. I have a question to ask you.

SPEAKER_04 51:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Have you ever heard of Peking ravioli?

SPEAKER_04 51:24

Well, I hadn't until the other day. But yeah, now I have. Have any of you out there ever heard of it? Yeah, and you know that would be a very interesting thing to find out because um we found out a little bit more about it. And actually tried some.

SPEAKER_02 51:45

Well, because we're a Jew and a half on Christmas, of course, what do we need? We need Chinese food. That's right. Um, even my goy of a brother said, Are you having Chinese food for Christmas? He did ask me that. Did I tell you that? No. Cool. Yeah. Um, not the one in New York who's turning Jewish. Yeah. Yeah. The other one. Um, so we're looking at now, Cape Cod has very slim pickings when it comes to Chinese food.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

And when it comes to good Chinese food, we have no pickings. Um but we have a couple of passable items, depending on the place. Now, my feeling about the whole thing is I'd rather just get Thai, which is good.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Um Michael doesn't feel that way. So on Christmas, I thought, all right, let's try Quan's again. Now, the again is for me because I really never find anything there that I like that isn't a sin like crab raingoon.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

Oh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Yeah, you know, which is a sin. Does it go, though? It's it's horrible. It's it's fried noodle batter in a shape of like a pagoda.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

Yeah, you say that's like that's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

Stuffed with cream cheese, yeah. Which I guarantee is not available anywhere in China. Uh or in Thailand. Yeah. Or in Asia.

SPEAKER_04 53:52

Cheese is really of any kind, is not a kind of not so much. Matter of fact, our Chinese doctor would say cheese is phlegm.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Now you ruined it.

SPEAKER_04 54:04

Well, I mean it is true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:09

And I can't even No. You know, guilty pleasure, huge guilty pleasure, crab rangoon.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

Partly because of Fortune Themster. That's another story. Fortune themster, at whose altar I pray, uh, has two favorite things when it comes to Chinese food. And they're from Panda Express. But she'll sh she'll have it from anywhere. But she loves her Panda Express.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

All right. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 54:43

Okay, so she likes crab ragoons.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

Right, rangoons.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

And she always refers to them in the plural. Make sure you don't just send her one.

SPEAKER_04 54:54

Well, you don't want one, yeah. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

And orange chicken.

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Orange chicken and crab rangoon.

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Basically orange candy with a tiny bit of chicken in the middle.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Yeah. And and at Panda Express, probably way overcooked.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:11

Yeah, they're very, very crunchy, all the way down to the middle.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

You know, fortune loves her some fast food.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

Oh, yeah.

Sign-Off And New Year Blessing

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Um, she loves to go to Hardys. Oh my gosh. For the biscuit situation.

SPEAKER_04 55:30

Right, yes.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Well, I'm quickly gonna say Peking ravioli is a pot sticker, and that term is only used in Cape Cod and Southern Massachusetts.

SPEAKER_04 55:47

Yeah, maybe Plymouth, and and that's it. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Now I am going to research this and find out what the heck someone was thinking.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

Yeah, how did how did we get to that?

SPEAKER_02 56:03

P. King Ravioli? Yeah. Lord only knows. Uh I thought we'd play a little Bruce Spring, actually sung by Bruce Springsteen. Oh yeah. This is the rising. And on behalf of Michael and myself, may you be blessed with every joy, with health, and with abundance in the new year. And put a light on the eye.