The Anne Levine Show with Michael Over There
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The Anne Levine Show with Michael Over There
The Beanie Baby Problem
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Scarcity has a strange power: it can turn a cute little object into a “must-have” overnight, even if we did not care about it yesterday. We follow that switch from curiosity to urgency and ask why our brains react so fast when we hear “sold out” or “they are not making those anymore.” Along the way we connect modern collectible crazes to something older and more human than any trend.
We talk about collecting as more than stuff. Sometimes we collect for joy, because noticing small beautiful things changes how we move through the world. Sometimes we collect because objects help us remember, turning a mug, a recipe card, or an ornament into a doorway to someone we miss. And sometimes we collect to tell a story about who we are, using books, art, tools, antiques, and decor as signals of identity. The hard part arrives when the conversation stops being about the object and becomes only about what it is “worth,” when the story takes over and the thing itself becomes almost incidental.
To show how universal this is, we step into tulip mania and watch beauty, rarity, status, and speculation collide into an economic bubble, then we compare that to Cabbage Patch scarcity where the motive looks less like greed and more like love. The through-line is consumer psychology and behavioral economics: expectation can outrun affection, and FOMO can rewrite our values in real time. We end with one clean question you can use the next time you feel pulled by hype: would you still want it if nobody knew you had it?
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The Scarcity Effect Kicks In
SPEAKER_07I got a little better. Then another little better. Then I need it everywhere. Then everyone wants a sweater. Got a little rano, yeah, another bear. Then I saw that. Yeah, really good. Let's get limited. The prices go to everybody wants one right there. Is enough in the crazy investment for filling on 4 million?
SPEAKER_00It's a phenomenon.
SPEAKER_07I'm sure you've heard of Princess and P Slide Foxy.
SPEAKER_00Phenomenon. I like that word. It's a good woody sort of word. Phenomenon. Phenomenon. Phenomenon. Ha! So I guess maybe that'll be in your head all day. You're welcome. But there really is a phenomenon. I thought for a long time it might have been an American thing. But I think it's really just a people thing. Every once in a while, somebody discovers something. Or invents something or brings something home from somewhere else, and suddenly everybody has to have what Mr. Jones has. It starts innocently enough. Your neighbor comes back from vacation with some funny little souvenir, you know. Or somebody discovers a new toy or a flower. Or baseball card. You know. Maybe it's a fuzzy little monster called a laboooboo, and somebody else says, hey, where'd you get that? Then another person wants one. And then another. Pretty soon they're hard to find. And then they're impossible to find. And then somebody says the words that seem to change everything. Oh, they're not making those anymore. Oh well, now I need two. There's something in us that reacts to scarcity almost before our brain has a chance to get involved. If there's plenty of something, we can always get one tomorrow. If there aren't very many, well, maybe tomorrow's too late. And before long, the thing isn't just a thing anymore, it's a quest.
What We Are Really Collecting
SPEAKER_00Hi. Thanks for tuning in to the Anne Levine show with Michael over there. My name is Michael over there. You know, I've watched this happen my whole life. Beanie babies, comic books, baseball cards, cabbage patch kids, Pokemon cards, fun co pops, uh laboooboos, tulips. Yeah, yeah, tulips. We'll we'll get there. Every generation thinks its version is different. It isn't. The object changes, but the instinct doesn't, I think. Now before we go any further, I should probably confess something. I collect. I I I collect antique clocks. And not because I think they're gonna make me rich. Trust me, if that was the plan, I'd have picked a completely different retirement strategy. No, I collect them because I love them. I love the engineering, I love the craftsmanship. I love that somebody, maybe 150 years ago, made this machine that still faithfully counts out the seconds of somebody else's life. And now it's counting out mine. That's a strange relationship to have with an object. But then again, you know, maybe all collections are strange relationships with objects. Some people collect sea glass. I do, I've got buckets of it. Some people collect bird sightings in a life list. I've got one of those too. Some collect squished pennies or stamps or coins, unsquished, uh, or rocks or vinyl records. You know, some people collect uh refrigerator magnets from every place they've ever visited. Now I've always wondered about the spoon people. You know the ones. They're uh they're in the middle of a wonderful vacation, enjoying the sun scenery and the food there, and they're and they think, you know what this trip needs? A spoon. I mean, I love you, spoon people. I just don't understand you. Unless, of course, you were somewhere near Spatula City, you know, then naturally you have to buy the commemorative spatula. That's kind of the law around there. But here's the thing I don't think we're actually collecting spoons or clocks or beanie babies. I think we're collecting something else, and that's what I want to take a peek at today. And for a while, maybe you can, you know, sit next to me and see what I'm looking at. We'll figure it out together. I don't think the beanie baby problem has much to do with beanie babies. I think it's something much older, bigger. And if I'm right, every one of us has it. One of the things that made this finally click for me was realizing that we don't all collect the same things, but we almost all collect something. It might not be objects, it might be experiences or passport stamps or photographs or recipes. Maybe it's stories. Like I said, maybe you've got a life list of birds, or maybe you're collecting, you know, every baseball stadium you've ever visited or every state you've driven through, which I've got that list too. Some people collect sunsets or songs, some collect friends. And Levine was like that. She collected things, certainly. But mostly she collected friends. She had this remarkable ability to find somebody standing just outside the circle and somehow make them feel like they'd always belonged inside of it. That's a collection, too. And maybe one of the finest there is. So why do we do it? At first, I thought the answer was obvious. Because we all like stuff. Certainly, sometimes that's true. I mean, I like old clocks and I like old tools and like old things that were made by somebody who expected them to outlive them. There's something comforting about that, you know? Somebody sat at a workbench 150 years ago filing a gear that I now wind every Sunday morning. Neither of us ever had a clue about the other person, yet somehow we're connected. That's a wonderful thought, but it's not enough, is it? Because it doesn't explain sea glass or refrigerator magnets or bottle caps or spoons. Definitely doesn't explain spoons. It doesn't explain why somebody picks up a smooth rock on the beach, carries it home, and puts it on a shelf, 20 years later still smiles every time they walk past it. The rock didn't do anything, it never did. It just sat there. So so what changed? Not the rock. We did. It was us. Maybe that's the first clue. Maybe the things that we collect don't have as much meaning as the meaning we bring to them. I mean, here's another thing I've noticed. If I walk into your house, I can point at a hundred different objects. Most of them don't mean anything to me, but somewhere in that room, there's that one thing that if I accidentally knocked it off a shelf, you'd gasp before it hit the floor. Not because it's expensive, but because it's irreplaceable. Those aren't the same thing. Expensive things can usually be replaced. Irreplaceable things like the name themselves, they can't be. They're irreplaceable.
Four Reasons People Collect
SPEAKER_00And that's when I started wondering if maybe we collect for different reasons. I mean not everybody, and not every time, but but enough that I think that there are patterns there. Some things we collect simply because they delight us. And some things I think because they remind us. Some things we collect because they tell the world who we are. And yeah, sometimes we collect because we think the things we're collecting will make us rich. And those four reasons kept showing up everywhere I looked. And once I saw them, I couldn't stop seeing them.
SPEAKER_03You take drugs, Danny? Every day. Good. So what's the problem? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Some collections are pure joy. No agenda. No investment strategy, no spreadsheet, no collector's guide. Just you know, oh, that's neat. And I think that's where most collections begin. A little kid picks up on an interesting rock because it sparkles. Nobody tells them to. They don't ask what it's worth. They don't wonder, is this gonna appreciate? They just like it. And I hope we never completely lose that. Sea glass is like that. I mean, you can turn it into a profitable thing, I suppose, but uh I you know, I don't. I just I just gather it and look at it and it's beautiful. But uh bird watching is also like that. Uh collecting shells or interesting sticks. I do have a few pretty cool sticks. I've known people who can tell you exactly on what beach they found every single stone they've collected, you know. Not because they kept records, but because they remember. Every rock has a story attached to it. And I think there's something wonderfully innocent about collecting things that no one else would bother to pick up. I remember watching people walking along the beach. Most of us are looking straight ahead, trying to get somewhere. The seaglass people. Now they're looking down and they're walking slowly, stopping every few feet, seeing the things that the rest of us walked right past. I mean, maybe that's another way of collecting. Collecting ways of seeing. I've always liked that idea.
Objects That Hold Our Memories
SPEAKER_00And then something changes, not all at once. Gradually. One day you look at an object and you realize it's not reminding you of the day you found it. It's the remo it's reminding you of who is standing beside you on that day. I've crossed into something different. My guess is almost every family has one of these. One of these things, a recipe card or an old coffee mug, or an old Christmas ornament. A quilt. A watch, uh, a fishing lure. A child's drawing that somehow survived three moves, two generations, and it's still on the refrigerator. To anyone else, it's just an object. To you. It's a doorway. You don't see a mug. You see your father sitting at the kitchen table. You don't see that ornament, you hear the laughter and the joy that came with it at Christmas. You don't see the recipe card, you smell the kitchen and you see your mom making biscuits. Objects are remarkable that way. They are terrible at remembering things. But they're wonderful at helping us remember. It's almost as if they quietly wait until we're ready, and then all they have to do is show up. Suddenly we're 25 years younger or eight years old again. Sitting beside someone who isn't here anymore. Now the object didn't keep the memory. You did. That object simply knew where you left it. I think that's beautiful. And I think that's why people who don't understand collecting don't understand collectors. Because if all you see is the object, none of it really makes any sense. Why would someone pay that much for an old baseball glove or why keep that cracked coffee cup? Why move that old chair across the country? Well, the answer is they're not moving a chair. They're moving a life. A chair just happens to be where part of that life has been living. That's different. Very different.
Collecting As A Personal Signal
SPEAKER_00And eventually, there's another shift. Sometimes we begin collecting things because they say something about us. Or maybe because we hope they do. You walk into somebody's house and without anybody saying a word, you begin learning who they are. Books, paintings, records, guitars, posters, tools, clocks, antiques. Sometimes those things are saying, This is what I love. Sometimes they're saying, This is what I value. And sometimes, if we're being completely honest, they're saying, I hope you think I'm interesting. Now I don't think there's anything wrong with that either. We all tell stories about ourselves. Some of us just happen to use the furniture. I've been thinking about this because somebody I genuinely like. Do you remember the uh the TV show Superstore? Ann and I loved that show. We talked about it on this show here more than once, and one of our favorite characters was Dina, who is this really super wonderfully intense assistant manager played by Lauren Ash. And uh actually, uh almost everybody on Superstore was our favorite character. I mean, they kind of somehow pulled that off. Anyway, I follow Lauren on social media these days, and she's making music now, which makes me happy. Uh, because she has a great voice, and uh, and the songs are cool. But quite often she'll post videos of herself opening little mystery boxes, laboo-boos, or whatever the newest, you know, little fuzzy creatures happen to be this month. She opens one, then another, then another, and she is genuinely delighted. She's like, Oh, I've been I've been hoping for this one. And I find myself smiling right along with her, and not because I want one, although, you know, after about 20 videos, I start wondering what all the fuss is about. That's how these things work. Nobody wakes up one morning thinking, I'd like to become obsessed with tiny fuzzy monsters, please. It starts with curiosity. And somebody says, Have you seen these things? And then someone else says, Oh, that one's hard to find. And uh someone else chimes in, they're sold out. And before long, you're standing in line for something that six months earlier you didn't even know existed. Now I'm not picking on Lauren, far from it. She just happened to remind me of something that's been happening for centuries. She's doing exactly what people have always done, exactly what I've done. Exactly what you've probably done. The object changes. The instinct doesn't. And that's when I realized the Beanie Baby problem didn't really begin with Beanie Babies.
SPEAKER_02Now's the time for a fight and cheer. The moment sent for these can be just name your friends and also brand. Hey, what do you think of an ice cream? So come on, folks, let's join the band as we all have followed.
SPEAKER_00I don't think so. I mean, Beanie Babies just happen to be one of our generation's versions of it. Every generation gets one. Sometimes it's comic books, sometimes it's baseball cards, sometimes it's Pokemon or NFTs, or maybe it's laboo-boos. The names change, the packaging changes. The century changes. We don't.
From Delight To FOMO
SPEAKER_00And I've been trying to figure out exactly where that moment happens because there must be a moment. Nobody sets out to create a craze. Nobody wakes up on Thursday morning and says, you know what? I'd really like to do today. Lose all perspective over tiny stuffed animals. That's not how it starts. It starts with delight. Somebody makes something charming. Or beautiful or unusual, and a few people. Notice then a few more. And Sony says these are getting hard to find. And now something new enters the conversation. Scarcity. Scarcity doesn't change the object at all, it changes us. Yesterday you walked past it without even noticing it at all. Today there's only three left, and suddenly, oh, that's all you can think about. Not because the object became more beautiful overnight, it didn't. But because your brain started asking a different question. Not do I like this, but what if I can't have it? Those are completely different questions. One comes from curiosity, the other comes from fear. Fear of missing out. FOMO culture. Fear that everyone else will have one. Fear that we'll look back and think, I should have bought one when I had the chance. I mean, we've all heard those stories, right? Heard something from Antiques Roadshow or, you know, something similar. Whereas, you know, someone bought bought a book for five dollars and found out it's a first edition worth, you know, 12 grand. Or the guy who bought the uh the picture frame and then found out behind the hideous picture that was in the frame was uh authentic real copy, original copy of the Declaration of Independence, and sold it for over four million dollars. I mean, that's insane, right? That happens. I should have bought it when I had the chance. Fear is a remarkable salesman, doesn't have to shout, it can just whisper at you. Oh, you better hurry. That's usually enough. Then something even stronger happens, though. The conversation it just changes quietly. And nobody's talking about whether it's beautiful anymore. They're talking about what it's worth. People start saying things like, oh, I heard they're going for $300, or they're retiring that one next week. Or my my cousin bought six. And notice what disappeared from the conversation. They're the object. Nobody's describing how soft it is or how clever it looks or why they loved it in the first place. The story has taken over. The object itself has become also, I mean, almost incidental. That's the beanie baby problem. The moment the story becomes more valuable than the thing itself. And once I realized that, I started seeing it everywhere. Not just in toy stores, no. Um in history.
Tulip Mania And The Power Of Story
SPEAKER_00Which brings us to flower. A flower that for a little while became one of the most valuable things on the planet.
SPEAKER_01I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.
SPEAKER_00So let's go to Holland, the 1630s. If you've ever heard of tulip mania, you probably know the punchline. People paid ridiculous amounts of money for flowers. And if that's all you know, it's it's very tempting to laugh. I mean, what kind of person pays the price of a house for a tulip bulb? Well, before we get too smug, let's slow down a minute. Because I don't think they were buying flowers. I think they were buying stories. Here's the deal: tulips were new. It was a new thing. They were exotic, they were beautiful. They had arrived from the Ottoman Empire not all that long before. And then something unexpected happened to the tulips. A virus infected some of them. And normally when we hear the word virus, uh, we think something had gone wrong. But in this case, something extraordinary happened. The virus caused the petals to break into these incredible streaks of and flames of color. And nobody knew why. They only knew they'd never seen anything quite like them. And because the virus couldn't simply be manufactured, those tulips were rare. Very rare. Now put yourself there for a moment. You don't know what's going to happen next. You don't know you're about to become a chapter in every economics textbook. You're simply standing in front of the most beautiful flower you've ever seen, and almost nobody else has one. That is a powerful combination. Beauty, rarity, status. Now add one more ingredient. Somebody says, you know, I think these are only going to become more valuable. There it is. The sentence. The sentence that has launched a thousand bubbles. I think these are only going to become more valuable. At first, maybe they're right. You know, prices rise. People who buy early make money, their neighbors notice, their cousins notice, the newspapers notice. Now people aren't buying tulips because they love tulips, they're buying tulips because somebody else loves tulips. That's different. That's very different. The flower has quietly stepped off stage. Expectation has taken its place. And soon people weren't even trading the bulbs themselves. They were buying and selling contracts, promises, pieces of paper that said, When the bulb comes out of the ground, it belongs to me. Think about that. It wasn't even in the ground yet. The object wasn't even there. People were trading the idea of an object. And by then, the tulip itself had become almost irrelevant. The story was doing all the work. Until one day it wasn't. Maybe confidence cracked. Maybe too many people tried to sell at one time. Maybe somebody just simply looked around the room and asked, um, are we really paying this much for flowers? I mean, whatever happened, the spell broke. Prices collapsed, fortunes disappeared. I mean, the flowers, they were fine. The flowers never changed. The story changed. And that's the part people usually miss. Tulip Mania wasn't a story about flowers. It was a story about us. About what happens when expectation outruns affection. When the possibility of tomorrow becomes more exciting than the reality of today. When owning something becomes less important than believing someone else will want it even more. And if that sounds familiar, it should.
Cabbage Patch Panic And Love
SPEAKER_00Before Beanie Babies, there were cabbage patch kids. Now, if you're too young to remember this, it may sound completely ridiculous. Parents camped outside toy stores overnight. They sprinted through the doors when the stores opened. People fought over dolls. Actual fights. The police were called. Fights were on the news. And not because these dolls were made of gold, and not because anyone thought they were going to be worth a fortune someday. But because Christmas was coming. And somewhere, thousands of parents knew exactly what their child wanted. Only now they couldn't find one. And that's a very different kind of scarcity. The beanie baby collector might tell themselves, oh, I'd better buy it now before the price goes up. The cabbage patch parent was thinking, I don't want to disappoint my little girl or little boy. And that's a much more sympathetic place to stand. I mean, you can almost feel the panic, right? Every commercial says, these are the dolls every kid wants. Every kid at school is talking about them. Your kid has circled it in the Sears catalog three different times. They've been talking about it since October. And every store you visit says, sorry, we're sold out. Now you ask yourself, um, if there'd been a warehouse full of cabbage patch kids, would anyone have camped outside overnight? Of no, of course not. The dolls did not change. Scarcity did. And here's the interesting part. Most of those parents probably weren't buying a doll at all. They were buying Christmas morning. They were buying the look on a child's face. They were buying relief. They were buying the feeling that they'd somehow manage to make magic happen one more time. And that's worth a lot. Maybe too much. But that's a very different story from trying to make a profit. And it's another reminder that the same phenomenon can wear very different costumes. Sometimes it looks like greed, and sometimes it looks a whole lot like love. And I think that's where the beanie baby problem begins. Not with beanie babies, not with tulips, not with baseball cards or laboo-boos. Those are just the costumes the story puts on every few years. The story itself never changes. Because the object doesn't change. We do. Those tulips never stopped being beautiful. Beanie babies never stop being little stuffed animals. Comic books never stop telling stories. The objects stayed exactly where they'd always been. What changed was us. Somewhere along the way, we stopped asking, do I love this? And started asking, will everyone else love this? That's the shift. And once you see it, you start seeing it everywhere. Not just in collectibles, in fashion, in restaurants, uh in neighborhoods, in cars, stocks, cryptocurrency, sometimes even in ideas. Sometimes we're drawn to something because it speaks to us. And sometimes we're drawn to it because it seems to be speaking to everybody else. Those aren't the same thing.
A Better Question About Wanting
SPEAKER_00I don't think this episode has really been about collecting it all. It's been about asking ourselves a simple question. Why do I want this? Not should I buy it? That's not very interesting. The interesting question is, would I still want this if no one else knew I had it? That's a surprisingly difficult question to answer sometimes, because we are social creatures. We're influenced by each other. That's not a flaw. It's part of being human. But every once in a while it's worth stopping long enough to ask whether we're following our own curiosity or somebody else's excitement. So here we are. What do we think? Is the beanie baby problem really about beanie babies? Or tulips or comic books? Baseball cards. Maybe those are just the things that happen to be standing in the room when human nature walked in. And the funny part is the things themselves were never the problem. A tulip doesn't care what it's worth. A beanie baby has no idea whether it's selling for 50 cents or $5,000. An old baseball card has no idea that it's become collectible. My clocks don't know their antiques. They're just quietly being exactly what they've always been. We're the ones who keep changing the story. And maybe that's what we've been looking at today, really. Not why we collect. But how we decide what something is worth. Those are different things.
What We Cannot Put A Price On
SPEAKER_00You know, I'm moving. One of the things that has to be done is deciding what goes with me. And there are a lot of wonderful things here. Some are expensive, some are not. And I won't sell many of them because I don't know how to put a price on Sunday mornings or on the quiet company that they keep while another week goes by. I mean, what would that even cost? And then I started thinking about Anne.
Anne And The Best Kind Of Collection
SPEAKER_00Anne collected friends. She really did. Not acquaintances, friends. She had this gift for finding people who felt invisible and somehow helping them feel seen. Sometimes by simply putting a light on.