Is This How It Ends?
Is This How It Ends?
Illuminati, Freemasons & Scorpio Secrets: A Halloween Conspiracy Special
In this very Special Halloween episode of Is This How It Ends?, Soph and Nele, with guests Javi (IG: @callmejavi) and Rich (IG: @gentlemanjack99), peel back the layers of some of the world’s most shadowy secrets just in time for Halloween. They dive into the Illuminati and Freemasons, exploring eerie symbols and celebrity conspiracy theories—are these stars genuinely powerful, or just pawns? From the all-seeing eye to strange rituals and hidden bunkers, the crew questions who’s really pulling the strings.
Just when it couldn’t get more intense, the conversation shifts (just for a lil bit) to psychedelics and their potential to unlock hidden truths. Cue the talk of mysterious visions, “soul gurus,” and a possible group trip to Joshua Tree—because who doesn’t want to see magical elves?
And in the spiciest part of the episode, Nele takes the mic for an extra shady segment of Shady Astrology with a Scorpio roast that’s equal parts brutal and hilarious. Are Scorpios the Zodiac’s power players, or just keeping too many secrets? Join in as Soph, Nele, Rich, and Javi serve up a darkly funny exploration of all things supernatural, secretive, and a little scandalous.
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Welcome fellow doomsdayers, witches, ghouls and conspiracy lovers to our 12th episode of. Is this how it Ends? Really excited about today's episode, and not just because it's close to Halloween, but because we have two very special guests here with us Javi and Rich. Javi is an artist with a single out, oni Lover. Rich is a fellow podcaster with his own podcast, going Rogue, and that's their handle right below if you want to follow them on IG and go from there. Halloween is just a few days away.
Speaker 1:As I mentioned, it's that time of year when lines between our world and the next, the ordinary and extraordinary, blur, and truth is often hidden in the shadows, and this podcast is all about that shadowy stuff, the conspiracies, the weird, the quirky, and tonight we're going to pay special attention to those things that work in the shadows and those secretive organizations that are alluded to all the time, those shadowy cabals that may be pulling the strings behind the scenes in the entertainment industries, and we are talking about I'm sure you already guessed it the Illuminati and the Freemasons.
Speaker 1:We'll be pulling back the curtain on these two secret societies. Are they puppet masters of our reality, figments of our imagination, or are they just messing with us? And why are so many of these artists rumored to be in on it. So, from eerie symbols and music videos to whispers of world domination, we are going to dive deep. As always, nelly and I were your guides through this dark maze of mystery, and, of course, we are not alone, with our two guests to help us connect the dots between the occult, the elite and the entertainment industry. So grab your candles, get that sage out and let's just let's get started, nelly, I'm gonna kick it over to you.
Speaker 2:Hey, y'all, all right. So some spooky stuff has already been happening, even to get this podcast off the ground. I just want to say that, okay, my laptop is not laptopping. I'm gonna look down for my notes. I'm on my phone, actually, so a little creepy already.
Speaker 2:So we're going to talk about the Illuminati. Okay, all up in your body, the Illuminati, all right. So a lot of stuff has been going on with the celebrities. A lot of things have been revealed, even with politicians. There's a lot going on. So I'm just going to give a little rundown about what the Illuminati is and then kind of go from there, all right.
Speaker 2:So Illuminati is a term that originally referred to a group of people called the Bavarian Illuminati, a secret society founded in 1776 by Adam Washput in Bavaria, germany. That was my Bavarian, bavaria, germany, germany. Washput, a professor of canon law, started the group as a response to what he saw as oppressive societal and religious norms. The Illuminati sought to promote enlightenment ideals, particularly rational thought, secularism and freedom for religious influence. It was highly secretive, using pseudonyms and hierarchical systems of ranks. Members included intellectuals, politicians who wished to reform society. See already, intellectuals. It has changed from what it used to be, but, yeah, illuminati. So, y'all, what do you think are the signs of the Illuminati? It's the rock. There you go, the rock, the rock. That's one of them, right, well, now that you say that it has me thinking what's the connection?
Speaker 3:Is there a connection? Or is that just a random symbol that they've been using all these years? Or is it hiding directly underneath our noses?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, there are places where you can actually find the symbols, right. So the great seal on the US dollar bill, perhaps the most iconic symbol, features an unfinished pyramid with an all-seeing eye, the eye of providence, floating above it. The image is often pointed as evidence of Illuminati influence over the founding of the US, despite it being a common symbol of enlightenment. So the dollar, dollar bills, y'all the dollar dollar bills.
Speaker 1:Dollar, dollar bills, y'all. I will say, though, although the Illuminati was founded in 1776, we'll say though, although the Illuminati was founded in 1776, that the pyramid, that pyramid on the dollar bill, did not appear until, I believe, the 1930s. So yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so what did they have prior to that?
Speaker 1:I'm not familiar. It was just. It was just a $1. Like it wasn't, there was nothing really on it.
Speaker 3:Nothing there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but since then you have that, you have that pyramid with the eye, and then there's also like an owl in there.
Speaker 2:Yes, the owl of Minerva, the owl of Minerva.
Speaker 1:People are like is it an owl, Is it a spider?
Speaker 2:So it's an owl. It's symbolizing wisdom. This owl is sometimes linked to secret societies. Also, the number 13, right? Is that why, like in elevators? Like they skipped the 13th floor?
Speaker 1:Well, 13 has always been considered bad luck. So yeah, it's so dumb because it's still there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like there is an actual 13th floor.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's like you can skip it when you want, but there is a 13. So 14 is 13. Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't understand that. No, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's the future of older buildings. I think more modern buildings are not as superstitious, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's kind of crazy how superstition is, even like, linked in with our architecture and machine learning or not?
Speaker 1:Right For a country that's so super religious and all about God, there's still a lot of things that we get into. We're into superstitions.
Speaker 3:You can say that religion is superstition.
Speaker 1:Religion is very superstitious. Superstitious. There's stuff from paganism as well. You know, when we think about our traditions, Definitely.
Speaker 2:So we think about our traditions. Definitely so. We talked about the Eye of Providence, we talked about the Pyramid, the Owl of Minerva, the Number 13, baphomet, the figures associated with occultism and represents duality, and then, like the all-seeing eye Right. So these are some of the symbols that we may see, eye right. So these are some of the symbols that we may see. So, y'all, since now we know a little bit about the Illuminati, which prominent people do, you think are actually a part of the Illuminati.
Speaker 1:I mean the obvious. Who's the obvious? Like Jay-Z?
Speaker 4:You saying that out loud On camera.
Speaker 1:I mean the man is like well, like this is the rock, you know? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Was it underneath our noses the whole time and we're just throwing it up, you know. But I agree with you. I think a lot of the music industry and I don't think it was until maybe this year I took it more seriously as far as Cat Williams' interview in the beginning of the year and how he was always depicted, as you know, crazy, and Dave Chappelle too, but maybe they were the ones that sort of spoke out against it or afraid to speak out against it, and stood their ground and remained independent end it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, this goes back a while. So, um, tupac actually mentioned the Illuminati, um, and there was a album that he had that came out probably a few months after his death, that you know, sort of touched on this subject. So it's it's been around. I mean this, um, this tie to hip hop, rap and Illuminati has been around for a very long time and it's never been in a positive note.
Speaker 4:Was that the album? Was it called Machiavelli, machiavelli, yeah yeah. And they're like oh, look at you reading the letters. It says I am alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, tupac is alive. Ok, okay, he's chilling in cuba.
Speaker 3:yeah, right, yeah, for sure, for sure that's a good reference, though I think that maybe was the first time I ever heard about the illuminati and yeah I mean, I think, when it comes to hip hop or rap, right, it's just, it's just a tool.
Speaker 1:Early hip hop was all about social activism. You know artists using their lyrics to address issues like systemic racism, poverty, police brutality. You know, like the police, like we all know what that is and that's what it was about. And then there was this weird turn where, all of a sudden, it was all about money, cash, hoes, money and cash are the same fucking thing. But if the Illuminati exist and it would make sense to me that they would Find, you know, music and art as a way to get their messages across or infiltrate or, like my country, or whatever it is that they want to do Right, music and art is the that's. That's a really good vehicle. Mind control or whatever it is that they want to do right. Music and art is the that's. That's a really good vehicle. Um, there's this, um, there's this belief that you know repetitive rhythms, lyrics and chants. Can it can cast a spell. So I can see why they know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's definitely a spell. There's some lyrics I wish I did not know in my dread dreads.
Speaker 4:Is that a spell?
Speaker 1:It might be, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I was shaking my dreads Again jealous yeah.
Speaker 3:Some.
Speaker 2:I guess notable people that you would. I don't know if you consider people notable now, but Lady Gaga, it's believed that she's a part of the Illuminati, but they didn't help her with that movie Joker. Yeah, yeah did anyone else see it, but me the second Joker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a conspiracy there, but I'm not ready to go there yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, now I want to know. I'm curious.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't have my notes together, so I can't really fully explain the way that Okay how about like a little taste?
Speaker 3:I?
Speaker 1:think they were like. So the first Joker was the first one was really good, and I guess the theory is that the wrong people resonated with it. So I guess the second one, one they had to- take it, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 4:It went from being like this this film that was adopted by quote-unquote incels and the response to that was to make something like that appealed to a very different audience, where it's like oh, we're making this musical that is going to appeal more to like queer people and women in theory. In theory, because, lady gaga's in and it's a musical, but I don't really know who it resonated with, because it's already.
Speaker 2:It was trash, it was awful. It wasn't that bad, but Joaquin his singing. It's cute to do a little Johnny Cash yang-yang, but I don't want to hear all of that and just the music. And then the first song that they sing is a stevie wonder song, so I don't know how I felt about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah but, it was just after a while, like I knew going in it was a musical, but it was just like eye roll. Some of it just didn't make any sense in terms of like where they put it. I don't know, yeah, but who else is believed? To be is the Kardashians, I believe to be a part of the Illuminati, which I wholeheartedly agree because every man they've married his life is in shambles and shambles suck your body. They're like yeah yes oh, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:But let me tell you something. Okay, they make a good pair of jeans and shapewear. I'm not gonna lie. Okay, I just bought some good american jeans from chloe kardashian oh no don't look at me like. I'm part of the crowd.
Speaker 1:I don't know you, I know this okay. I don't know you.
Speaker 2:No, you love me and you can never unclaim me. All of you can never unclaim me, okay, I'm just saying they make good jeans. It's hard for me to find some good jeans and shout-outs to Khloe Kardashian and shout out to Khloe Kardashian and I definitely buy skin stuff.
Speaker 1:Do you feel from other people like their ideas? There's, like so many lawsuits.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they do. They have a lot of lawsuits. They just have so much money. I don't know if this sounds right, but about the Kardashians? I actually don't know that much about them because I never watched the show, but I know Kris Jenner seems to be the one that controls a lot of it.
Speaker 1:so I feel like she is.
Speaker 3:She is pimping yeah, pimping everybody out, her daughter's, like. I don't know if the entire family would even be as knowledgeable about something like the illuminati. But I feel like maybe kim chris, you know, maybe the hierarchy of how it goes, or the girls just kind of go along with it, go along with the mother, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah I mean, I think they can be bought. I think if it's something that means they can have power and just influence, influence, they don't.
Speaker 4:I don't think they care I mean leveraging your daughter's sex tape to like get your family to a certain level of prominence is kind of like, yeah, like, your moral compass is very, that's a special kind of waffle. Yeah, wow, allegedly, we'll say this allegedly, allegedly, yeah, very, very allegedly. I heard murmurs of her having sort of a Ghislaine-esque role in the diddy, helping with recruit women, and they were saying that she was laying low after stuff came down because she was helping in the trafficking which, like you know, allegedly.
Speaker 4:But allegedly, allegedly she, like you know, moves in this world.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't be surprised yeah, I think when it comes to people who are like all about money and fame and power, there's very little that they would not do, right, like I think the richer you get, the more you want to hold on to that, and there are just some. I mean, there are lines you will cross and I think to have that kind of money there are a lot of lines you're willing to cross by a mile.
Speaker 4:I just like the lack of fear of karma is the thing that really disturbs me. I'm like that, like when you do something that horrible, it's going to bite you in the ass. It's eventually going to bite you in the ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like it will.
Speaker 1:But we're so focused on the now. I think that's the, that's our problem, like we're all focused on, like instant gratification and well, how am I doing now?
Speaker 3:Like no one no one seems to care about like 15, 20 years down the line. So question to you guys is as far as the Illuminati, you kind of touched on this, so goal money now I'm just quoting, I think, mace at this point money, power, respect, but um, but really like, do you guys think, as far as the illuminati, that they have long-term goals or they focus more on the now? As far as the power, the money like, what do you think is more important to the society? Because it does exist. We just don't know the inner workings of it. But I'm curious your guys' perspective on what is the end?
Speaker 2:game for that I think different people involved have different end games and so there are certain people where it is short-sighted and in terms of whatever money, power and influence that they can have, but there's others where there's definitely a more of a I don't say global domination kind of feel to it, but it's definitely like in that realm. So it really depends on who it is in terms of their different intents for it. I mean, there's a lot of celebrities you might consider you know a part of it, but are they really influential? Like, one of the people on the list is Katy Perry. That's part of the Illuminati. How influential is she? Because she can influence no one about that album or those singles? But yeah, I think it just depends honestly.
Speaker 1:If they, if this, if the Illuminati does, I mean, I know it was a thing back then, but if it does exist today, I think, with any of these secret societies, the end goal is always domination. The end goal is always, you know, it's a select few who are in power. That's always the end goal, right, how much wealth can you accumulate, how much power can you accumulate and how do you keep that status quo? And I think you know, with all these other, like Jay-Z's, beyonce's, you know, lil Yachty Uzi Vert, whatever his name is- Lil Yachty Uzi Vert, whatever his name is.
Speaker 3:Uzi.
Speaker 1:Vert Lil.
Speaker 4:Uzi.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like all of them, Lil Pump and all those that whole group, lil Xan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think all of those they're just pawns, right, they're just pawns If you think about it. This is a secret society and these people are actively singing about it. What does that do? What does that do to secret society when people are constantly saying it, saying stuff about?
Speaker 1:it like you don't take it seriously right and that works into their favor. If you are a secret, an actual secret society, when you have these people talking about it like that, you're like oh, this is a joke, this is not real, so it isn't. So it becomes a conspiracy theory. While they could be doing a lot of shit behind the scenes, that's just a smokescreen for them. So I mean, I think ultimate goal is power and to bring the masses along and keep people stupid and just listening to. I don't know, I get it.
Speaker 3:Cause that's how I kind of view it is. Let's be real, a lot of the newer artists they're not smart, they're not intellectual, so they, to us, we're like, they're definitely pawns, so you know, using to market or to bring in. I don't know numbers, I don't know how, I really don't know how it works or money power, whatever, but it's such a fascinating thing because they do such a good job of making us theorize on what's actually happening. But I only see it too, like with the younger rappers, the mumble rappers. Does Rick Ross have the tattoo? I swear I thought he had, like I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to look at Rick Ross's body parts.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure Some of them have the owl, or they have I'll't know. I'm trying not to look at Rick Ross's body parts. I'm not sure Some of them have the owl or they have Come on.
Speaker 3:I'll pay you.
Speaker 2:I don't care how many pears he's eaten. I don't want any of that. I don't know.
Speaker 4:To that point, though, when you're saying, when you talk about it so much, you kind of invalidate it and make it seem like it's not real. Like I just think of Beyonce, who's constantly flashing like Illuminati slash, masonic imagery, because there's some overlap there, the rock sign, whatever and then she sings like oh, y'all haters pointing with that Illuminati mess, like it's like oh, this is just something maybe provocative that we're doing, because this is what we do as artists. We're iconoclasts. We take cherished beliefs and subvert them. That's just what we do. It's not necessarily real. I feel like that's the subtext there, but I think the reality is sometimes they're getting one over on us because of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, definitely, Trump allegedly is a part of the Illuminati. See, if you tell me Trump, I'm like no. Trump, no, or the people behind him. He's a pawn. He's a pawn, but the Illuminati is definitely behind him.
Speaker 4:I also feel like it was interesting too to think of like oh, young rappers and then just a lot of hip hop, no-transcript, so it's easier to manipulate somebody when you're taking them from zero to 100. Trump is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, trump, like when Trump decided to run for a Republican party because he knew he couldn't. By the way, I'm independent.
Speaker 2:I don't really side either way. Whew, I thought you were about to say you're a Republican.
Speaker 3:Oh hell.
Speaker 2:no, that's all the plans I have for us.
Speaker 3:No, I'm freedom. I like being a pirate. You know, I like my privacy. But you know, like you knew, or he knew, that he could really manipulate the Republican Party. So it's like almost the same thing that Javi's talking about. It's just, but it's scary that they don't pick up on it.
Speaker 1:That's what's scary? Yeah, we're not. This is not a smart no, this is not a smart no.
Speaker 2:This is not a smart, not at all, not at all. I did want to talk about places where you might be able to find Illuminati symbolism across the United States, so one of them that we discussed before was the Denver International Airport in Denver, colorado. I looked it up so it's known for its odd murals and creepy statues, including that big blue horse with, like, the red eyes, and it has underground tunnels and it's a popular site for Illuminati speculation. Some believe the airport was built by a secret organization and serves as a bunker for the elite. Y'all Freemasons, a bunker for the elite. The elite gets all the bunkers. No, what about the bunkers for the middle class? Can I put it on layaway or something? A clarinet for a bunker.
Speaker 2:No A firm for the bunker. All right just nothing for us so we're just asked out yes, we're asked out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're kind of fucked on that.
Speaker 2:Okay, one of us needs to know some rich friends. Okay, one of us needs to know some rich friends. I was trying to find a man with the yacht. Now I want a man with a bunker. A man with a bunker, and which is in arizona.
Speaker 1:I feel like a like. Arizona is a place where you would find.
Speaker 3:Hey, if people got a specific taste, you would stick out like a sore thumb, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:My taste is bunker, my taste is yacht. That is my taste.
Speaker 3:This might be the place for you.
Speaker 2:Let me find out. Okay, you know that pop the balloon, the place in Arizona, and I was like really, Is that just one?
Speaker 4:I'm so confused. There's so many of them. Where, where are these shows filmed? Where can I watch them in full? I just always see clips and it's always like the same six clips I see, but I'll watch them every time.
Speaker 2:Just put poppin' the Balloon in YouTube and there's different kinds. There's some in Jamaica, there's some in Africa, there's some in Phoenix. It's all trash.
Speaker 1:I cringe when I watch that show. I'm just so embarrassed for everyone there, including the hosts.
Speaker 2:And it's funny because the one in Phoenix her name's Arlette Mouly or something like that. She's happily married, like her and her husband put this together. So I'm just like you're not really trying to link people up like this.
Speaker 1:It's like Love is Blind. It was like Nick Lachey and his wife that you know that.
Speaker 3:They're so annoying I stopped watching it. They're so fucking annoying, I stopped watching it.
Speaker 1:They're so fucking annoying, they're awful and I could not watch it beyond that. There was that one couple that everybody was rooting for and we just loved them and they're still together. But beyond that I'm going to come back on other shows, because they were like we don't know what this is.
Speaker 2:Y'all. This last season was absolute trash. I'm never moving to DC. The men are there. Another type of it is awful. It is awful. Yeah, Love is blind. I haven't watched Married at First Sight. It's all very triggering because it's just trash out there.
Speaker 4:But if you move to DC, you could probably get connected to one of these men who are on the inside of one of these secret societies much easier. Yes absolutely, that's true. A nice member of the Illuminati. I forget what the neighborhoods are.
Speaker 2:And then he would give us powers for our podcast to spread worldwide and enlightened all of the people. We would enlighten the people. Okay, we would use our powers for good.
Speaker 1:I had us waiting for enlightenment and then we could all be free of whatever this shit is.
Speaker 3:Also, can I just give a quick shout out to my shirt, because I did wear something, and it is my cats on my shirt. So shout out to Cersei and Victor. Yep, here's one with the tongue shirt. Oh yes, shout out to Cersei and Victor, there's one with the tongue out?
Speaker 1:Oh my god, did you? Did you have the cat on your?
Speaker 3:shirt. Yeah, those are my cats. Well, you said I could go as because I didn't have a costume. You said I could go as a hot guy, so I decided that my costume was hot cat dad.
Speaker 1:That is amazing.
Speaker 2:And look at my cat ears.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 2:We're meant to be. Oh my goodness, that's awesome. I'm going as Enzi's mama. You know I'm a hot cat mom, over here you are. Yes, we can have a blended family. Let's work on this.
Speaker 1:I have a cat who hates me dearly. I have a cat who hates me dearly. So the other day last night, I was just on the couch chilling and I threw eyes on me and then I turned Okay, right there.
Speaker 3:Oh my God.
Speaker 1:That's me on the couch and I just turned and like he's just staring, and that happens often. I think my cat Nugget is plotting my death. That happens often. I'm just chilling and I look up and he's like Well, he is an orange cat.
Speaker 2:You know, orange cats are diabolical.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they really are.
Speaker 2:In the cat world they're known as the hot messes of cats.
Speaker 1:I think he also knows that I don't like him very much.
Speaker 3:Well, the hot messes of cats. I think he also knows that I don't like him very much. Well, that might be.
Speaker 4:That might be the issue. My cat's planning my death. I hate him.
Speaker 1:That's besides the point, okay.
Speaker 3:Maybe he's part of the Illuminati and he's really turning.
Speaker 1:He probably is.
Speaker 4:Maybe he's a mechanical cat, like the birds you talked about in the other episode. How birds don't exist. They're just all robots. Maybe your cat's a robot.
Speaker 1:Maybe the cat is a robot by the way, I do not believe in that but there is a movement that's called Birds Are Not Real.
Speaker 2:I believe it, especially these Brooklyn pigeons. It just looks like it's focusing a little bit too much.
Speaker 1:If you go into why they believe that you're kind of like, hmm, but it's like Ohio.
Speaker 3:They say, like Ohio doesn't exist.
Speaker 1:No, montana, I thought it was Montana.
Speaker 3:Which one Montana.
Speaker 1:I thought Montana doesn't exist.
Speaker 3:What Okay?
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I think it.
Speaker 4:Howdy's like what. I've been to Ohio, I have not been to Montana, so now I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:I've never been to, but we know people from Montana, right, javi. Yeah, you remember the Hicks, they're from Montana. Or were they from the Solomon Islands.
Speaker 1:But then they it's Wyoming. Wyoming doesn't exist. Wyoming doesn't exist. It's honestly one of Wyoming. Wyoming doesn't exist. Wyoming doesn't exist.
Speaker 3:It's honestly one of the most beautiful states, though I have to say.
Speaker 1:Wyoming.
Speaker 3:Yes, like one of the nicest states I've been to.
Speaker 2:As far as like livability, I don't know, is it like a lot of Connie used to be out there.
Speaker 3:What's that?
Speaker 2:Connie used to be out there in Wyoming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a good place to like. Disappear Is. Yeah, it's a good place to disappear.
Speaker 1:Is it like more cows than people? Is that the theory?
Speaker 3:Probably, probably.
Speaker 1:Just the mountain ranges yeah.
Speaker 3:It's very pretty, but I guess it doesn't exist, so maybe I wasn't there. It's all in my head.
Speaker 1:You were there, you thought you were there.
Speaker 3:I planted all of that. It's just part of Utah, I guess.
Speaker 1:It's a simulation Right.
Speaker 2:But? But I'll just list a few other places, y'all, and then we will hand it over to the lovely gentleman here. So Bohemian Grove, california, have you heard of that? Yeah, it's the private club in northern California which hosts an annual retreat retreat for some of the world's wealthiest and most influential people. The ceremony surrounding the event, combined with reports of rituals and ceremonies, had led some to label it as a Luminati gathering place. Bohemian Grove, california, all right. Also, the Philadelphia Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell those are symbols related to Freemasonry as well as the Washington Monument, which we all know of, and the Georgia Guidestones in Elbert County, georgia.
Speaker 1:They were destroyed by the way.
Speaker 2:They were Wow. Oh, I see that.
Speaker 1:The case has been closed. They didn't really look into it and they're wondering, like how did these people get in and out without no one knowing who it was? I love the Georgia Guidestones and like just the secrecy around how it was built, who built it and just what these people believe in, but that's for another episode. Okay, bohemian Grove was kind of cool because there was this guy that snuck in there and then he thought he saw human sacrifice, but they claimed it was fake.
Speaker 2:How do you say fake human sacrifice?
Speaker 1:There was this. What is it? A pier of fire? They brought it to the fire and all of that. It was weird.
Speaker 2:It was weird.
Speaker 1:It was weird. It's like all these men who get together and they're like you know what? We need something just for us. We don't have enough power and money and influence, just create something. I think there was a lot of, I don't know, I'm sure it was more than just discussing.
Speaker 2:It's given me Hostile vibes. It's given me Hostile vibes. It's given a shady white party. It's given me orgy yeah, well, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:That's probably part of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, yeah. So that's it for the Illuminati y'all. It was very general, but you know against some notable people Kanye West is another one as well that's believed to have dealings with the Illuminati. Miley Cyrus was on the list and I was like what?
Speaker 3:You think Kanye, though I feel like Kanye would be like anti Illuminati.
Speaker 1:I don't know, he was religious and he did not come through it on his promises. So now he's paying the price.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, that's it, guys. All right, y'all want to talk about Freemasonry and all of that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, let's talk a little about Freemasonry. I think the interesting thing about Freemasonry and the Illuminati is that there's just they're often conflated and there's a lot of overlap, especially with the symbolism and the. You know a lot of the language that people use and the people that they talk about being a part of these together. But Freemasonry is a fraternal organization that traces its origins back to the local fraternities of stonemasons in the late 14th century so those are the people who prepare and cut stones and it's evolved over the years into a global society known for an emphasis on moral development, charitable work and, to an extent, secret rituals. So the kind of the core principles and beliefs of Freemasonry are brotherhood they believe in forming bonds of brotherhood, treating all members as equals, regardless of status or background. Moral and personal development. They promote integrity, truth and charity and they aim to improve themselves and their communities. And then, in terms of their philosophy in regards to religion, one of the big tenets of Freemasonry is that they subscribe to like a higher power, but it's not necessarily a like the Judeo-Christian God or any specific God of any religion they kind of refer to. They sometimes refer to this higher power as the great architect of the universe, which I guess kind of falls in line with this builder motif that they have going on and kind of the structure and organization of Freemasonry is, you know. So they have the lodges the Masonic lodges is what you'll hear about, and that's kind of like the basic unit of Freemasonry, where members meet and that's where they conduct whatever meetings and or whatever rituals and socialize. They're Grand Lodges, which are the governing bodies that oversee individual lodges in a region or country and each of the Grand Lodges kind of operates independently and there are different degrees of Freemasonry. So there's which they've kind of shifted and changed over the years.
Speaker 4:Freemasonry, so there's which they've kind of shifted and changed over the years. But I know that one path is, and I think they vary from lodge to lodge in certain cases, but there's like an entered apprentice, which is the first degree, fellow craft, second degree, and then a master Mason, third degree in some of the lodges. And they say, in terms of moving up the ranks in Freemasonry, when you get to the top rank, there's the idea that you get exposure to some of the secrets. And one of the secrets is that the god that they worship is like a combination of Egyptian deity, I think, like Yahweh, like the Jewish god, and then there's like one other deity in there that I remember hearing and I couldn't find. I couldn't find it. I heard it in a podcast book that I was listening to and I couldn't find it when I did my research. But that's one of the theories about kind of moving up the ranks, and there have been plenty of famous folks, especially in music, associated with Freemasonry.
Speaker 4:Mozart was a documented member of a Masonic lodge in Vienna. His opera, the Magic Flute in 1791, is filled with Masonic symbolism, focusing on themes of enlightenment, initiation and brotherhood, and Beethoven was rumored to have been a member of the Masonic Lodge. That is not confirmed. Jazz and blues artists Louis Armstrong was speculated to be a Freemason. Duke Ellington was a confirmed member of the Prince Hall Freemasonry Lodge, which is an organization that allows for membership for African Americans, because that's one thing about Freemasonry which I learned very long ago it's very, you know, it's primarily men, like I think there's certain cases and certain lodges where, like, some women are allowed, but that's not normal, primarily men and primarily white. So, yeah, so I found it interesting that Duke Ellington was a member and then, like, obviously there's speculation of modern pop artists like Jay-Z being a Freemason, which would make sense.
Speaker 4:And then you know, in terms of rock the Beatles and Led Zeppelin there's been some references in their work that would lead people to believe that there's some Freemason association. But it's a lot of occult imagery. That's the thing. There's a lot of like occult imagery that people point to as like this is a sign that they're a Freemason, even though a lot of like the tenets of Freemasonry are about like religious freedom and charity and they do a lot of good philanthropic work. But it's interesting because the occult imagery is such a big part of what people associate with Freemasonry whether it's horns or the all-seeing eye or the pyramid. It's very interesting that that's always associated with the fraternity that is, that was very knowledgeable.
Speaker 3:Yes, the imagery is very interesting too, because they have the um. It's almost like the geometric uh symbol. I don't know exactly what it stands for, um, because there's like a g in it too. Oh, the compass yeah, it's like the square on the compass, yeah. And the Freemasons are interesting, because I think what you guys were talking about before with the Illuminati was they originated in Germany and I think you said they were secular, so it was trying to become separate from religion I believe something about that was mentioned Whereas Freemason was, you could be Christian, you could be from different denominations, but you have that supreme being. But, like me, I can't ever join because I'm an atheist. I can't be part of that. So it's interesting and I thought about that and I was like, well, when you get a bunch of I'll say when you get a bunch of white men together, oh, you can say white men, it's fine.
Speaker 3:Well, it's fine to make yourselves look better and to be charitable and to do good things, but what? What is the point sometimes of that? Because, from my perspective, like I said, when you get a bunch of dudes together, you're not sitting around praying and it's like any other fraternity. You use something to get together to do other things, and it's usually something that most men are part of, and it's usually it could be sexual, it could be the money aspect of it, it could be control, because when you put those men together, that's usually what happens, and I've been part of like sports teams. I have friends that were in fraternities, it's no different. So I think it started as like this cool group and I think it was almost in the Flintstones they had like Barney and Fred were part of like this organization.
Speaker 2:It was like an elk club or something.
Speaker 3:That's what the Freemasons like reminded me of when they started, but it's almost like the Illuminati like did it turn into? What do they do now? Because we don't know and, javier, I don't know if you saw this too there was supposed to be speculation, like the Freemasons and the Illuminati work together or they know things about each other, but apparently that was debunked like they are separate.
Speaker 3:So I don't know the if there's like a collaboration between the two groups, or like which one has more power, has more money, has more control, um, but it it's. It is very interesting. And they, I think they would rather have women in there than anybody, any person of color, from what I saw too.
Speaker 4:I have. Yes, no, it's funny cause I have like two anecdotes about Freemasonry. One was when I was in a. I was in like basically a frat, a singing frat on Acapella oh, shut up Really. But this is the one on Martha's Vineyard where we lived in a house together and spent hours. This was summers of college, and so there was a person who was kind of adjacent to the group, like an older gentleman who was a fan of us.
Speaker 4:Okay, this sounds creepy I want to elaborate more on that end, but he was a fan of us and he would often have us over like his house to like perform and meet people and this is getting more interesting.
Speaker 4:The climate was always a little like everybody was always like there was. You know, there was definitely like a like an unspoken, um unease between all of us where it's like okay, like we're going to this house, like let's like watch ourselves, uh, make sure we're looking for each other, but like he's a generally a nice person, um. And I remember he had this guest over one day and he was like yes, he's like I forget what the title was- I don't think it was one of the ones I read.
Speaker 4:But he was like really high up in the Masonic Order and he was like there was like a group of us and we were like why don't you just induct all of them into the Mason right now? And I was sitting there like I'm like am I allowed to be here? Because I literally that was the only thing I knew. I was like Masons, you know they're not, you know there's a little like segregation there, so, but it was just like. It was a very weird vibe too. It was just suddenly like yes, let's induct all of these young men into your Masonic Lodge right now. What a wonderful idea. It felt like.
Speaker 3:It felt very like yes, I almost think you're lying to us, because you're now, you're, you really did induct yourself. You're just hiding the uh, the truth.
Speaker 4:So well, yeah, um, and then my other. My other little anecdote was so I see, um, I've seen like a spiritual advisor here in LA and she sees some other people that I know and one is, you know, has a track record. I don't want to name any names or say anything specifically on camera. That's right Off camera. Off camera we'll chat.
Speaker 4:But she was talking about how, like, she was saying like free, you know, she's encountered freemasons and at the time somebody close to me was dating somebody who was a mason, who was not white actually, so she was talking to our like spiritual advisor about it and she was like, yeah, you know, honestly, like the freemasons are, I think they're pretty like of the groups, I think they're one of the the better groups, the more benevolent groups and she was talking about like this female order of something which I think was like more witch, the better groups, the more benevolent groups, and she was talking about like this female order of something which I think was like more witchy. But then, with the Illuminati, one of the people that she sees, she's like, yeah, I saw this photo of him and he was wearing this mask and I'm pretty sure he's in the Illuminati and she's like. She's like stay away stay away.
Speaker 4:So I think they are kind of these two little separate spheres that engage in like their, their place for power in very different ways, and I think that I do think that the freemasons, based on what I've heard, like I said, this is all freaking anecdotal with, like, my soul guru in la, which is like the most la thing to say, um, my soul healer, uh did you do the tapping?
Speaker 4:too. I haven't done the tapping. This is just like full on, like meditation, like past life healing, and she kind of walks you through like I'm getting your over soul talks to her and tells you what it needs, which was an interesting experience.
Speaker 3:I mean I can do that for you if you want.
Speaker 2:I mean I can tell you what my soul needs. My soul an interesting experience. I mean I can do that for you if you want. I mean I can tell you what my soul needs. My soul needs a man. Yeah, that's what my soul needs.
Speaker 4:This is all past lives, not right now. We know what we need right now, but it's like what were we lacking before? What trauma did we have from a past life that we're carrying over, that we need to mend or manage in order to make progress in our lives? And you know what I take everything with a grain of salt. I'm not like, oh my God, this is so true. I'm like I'm gonna try this, because I'm trying everything. I'm like I'm doing therapy, I'm praying, I'm getting a soul healer.
Speaker 4:I don't have any animals, like I don't have a cat like y'all, I just have depression. So we'll get there one day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you always can borrow my boy, I mean Rich, has two of them, so maybe you can borrow one of Rich's. Don't borrow Circe, because if she's named after her namesake from Game of Thrones, that's not a comforting cat Circe.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, it's pretty interesting. I do think that as far as researching freemasons, they were more low-key. They seem to be organized, they do seem to have their shit together and they do a much better job as far as keeping everybody out, because we're sitting here again talking about it, but all of that can be completely wrong, we don't know.
Speaker 3:So they really don't let anybody in. But that's why I find them to have more power and control than the illuminati, because they just seem to I don't know uh have like more of a we were talking like a vision, like a long-term goal, and I think they will continue to exist, whereas, like illuminati, seems to just be a little messy sometimes. Uh, from the outside you, uh soph was talking about, like the rappers and the pawns you don't really see that with the freemasons, they're very particular on who gets in and who doesn't, and I will say this. There was another thing that Javi you probably saw too, is that the Catholic Church is not a fan of the Freemasons. Even though most of the people involved are Christians, they just don't like to be associated because they view them as potentially pagan or an occult. I find that to be really hypocritical, because I think the Catholic Church is a cult, organized religion.
Speaker 3:I think it's okay to have whatever belief you want, but I think just, I mean we could even go as far as saying the Catholic Church has settled how much for all of the actual abuse you know.
Speaker 3:So like who's in the right, who's in the wrong there, um, and I always like to touch on those topics because yeah I just I do find it hypocritical, like believe in what you want but to judge another, like even scientology, like it's just a thing. People want to believe it or they're part of it for some reason, but I don't know. At the end of the day, like, what's the long-term goal and what are you controlling? What power do you have?
Speaker 1:So and speaking of the Catholic church, so I don't know if you guys have heard of the Knights Templar? Yes, they were also also. They also said that they were really interested in finding like religious relics, like um, when you think about, what is that?
Speaker 1:holy grail the holy grail. Yeah, they were really super interested in finding those religious relics because they thought it would bring them power. So, um, they just got really powerful and people didn't like it. So and what they're saying is, when they were disbanded, they didn't really go away Like you can't really disband a group that's that powerful with that much money. So they rebranded themselves into the Freemasons. That's one of the. That's one of the theories out there. Yes, that's probably one of the reasons the Catholic Church does not like them. Another is the. They're tied to satanic worship or baphomet. Is that another theory rooted in historical anti-Masonic sentiment that 33rd degree Masons engage in occult practices or worship figures like baphomet? This idea stems from the belief that Freemasonry has hidden rituals which some interpret as satanic or linked to dark spiritual practices and random. So Starbucks, their original logo it was that mermaid, but if you turn it around, it was the image of Baphomet.
Speaker 4:Really yes, that's why she has two tails and not one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so where is oh? Hold on, let me, let me share my story.
Speaker 2:Good thing I don't drink Starbucks. That's a great.
Speaker 3:I like the spookiness of that too. And while you guys look at that, I was. So if you were saying that they, did the Catholic Church say that it was that they were satanic, like they were basically trying to put that on the freemasons or the um, the knights?
Speaker 1:because they're so shot that those levels are shrouded in such secrecy that that's what they're saying. Right, there are rituals involved right, okay because you don't know what those rituals are, people make their own assumptions, um so yeah, so that's the starbucks logo and I think, if you, you guys know the image of that, though, matt yes I just know that the googles yeah, so if you turn it upside down, by the way, how many just off the top of my head if you turn it upside down.
Speaker 3:By the way, how many just off the top of my head if you guys know how many people did like, according to the Bible or whatever context, how many people did Satan kill versus God?
Speaker 4:How many people did Satan kill?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I always find it interesting when people say well, you worship.
Speaker 2:Satan, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Rich. I need to send you. This is giving me. This is giving me a whole tip, Rich.
Speaker 2:This is giving me whole tip.
Speaker 3:This is giving me no, no wait on fulton avenue because it was like 11 people, like satan killed like 11 people total in the bible and god killed like millions wait, he killed the firstborn sons of like a whole yeah I'm just, I'm saying from an unbiased perspective. It's a really interesting fact this wait?
Speaker 4:who are the 11 people that Satan killed?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I don't know, but if you can look up the statistic, I don't know if it was like the-.
Speaker 2:All I know is.
Speaker 1:I don't know his story, I don't know his Like, history is written by the victor. That's all we know. Always, always.
Speaker 3:Like I mentioned, we went to that private Christian high school and that's where I learned a lot of it, cause we had to study the Bible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we did, and I found it to be like spooky, you know, and at the same time like really intriguing. I thought it was like a really good book, but I was like people believe this and I couldn't believe, I couldn't believe when I was looking up the facts of that. So when I hear someone say like oh well, they worship Satan, I was like well, isn't that almost hypocritical too to say like, well, which one, which deity killed more people? So that's always a good Halloween thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You would love to be on your show.
Speaker 2:A whole text sent me the same information and like uh, do you sell shea butter and perfume oil on the side rich? Should I do you say you're a vegetarian and secretly eat crab legs?
Speaker 3:No, I do not.
Speaker 2:Cause it's given me.
Speaker 3:I do like crab legs though. Me too.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 4:Why don't y'all just get married?
Speaker 2:I mean I'm just saying, rich, I can move to Arizona, I'm out, come on. No, I cannot move to Arizona, but still still, I mean you do long distance rich, we can work this out yeah, we can.
Speaker 3:I think we're all at this point we can do long distance definitely.
Speaker 4:We've known each other for so long, just so long yeah I think a lot of it is like what I was gonna talk about. We've kind of touched on because we've taught, like some of the image, a lot of the masonic imagery, especially stuff that's been in music videos. That was one thing I wanted to talk about is like oh, there's a couple of music videos like, um, kanye west power, uh, rihanna's umbrella, where there's a lot of this imagery, whether it's the pyramid, uh, the all-seeing eye. There's also these um, what are the name there's?
Speaker 4:There's these two columns that are at the front of the Temple of Solomon that are also incorporated into a lot of Masonic energy, and that's something that's kind of referenced in the power video. When they're put like, when you're pulling back from Kanye, he's standing behind these rows of columns. So a lot of this imagery that comes from Freemasonry and the Illuminati space has made its way into a lot of these big pop music videos. And you have to ask the question is like why, why? And also even in the Kanye West power video, it's like you're pulling back. Let me just see if I can find a screenshot In this video. You're pulling back and you see these columns and then you see these oh, my God, and it's just very. There's a lot of.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second Sorry.
Speaker 4:You're fine. But, yeah, the imagery is very strong and I think, with Kanye too, we were talking about how, like Kanye kind of feels like he's coming like a whistleblower or trying to be a whistleblower for things that are going on in the industry. Oh yeah, yeah. I feel like it's just very intentional imagery, so you pull out, and then you have these two nude horned women with massive horns what's around his neck.
Speaker 2:Is that the owl that looks like the?
Speaker 4:owl that's the owl clock and then you have the world upside down, so like I'm almost like what are they trying to tell us?
Speaker 1:Is it? Are they doing it to be cool? Cause we know when it comes to hip hop and rap, they like to do shit to be cool, like they rap about clothes and name brands, stuff. They're all about flashy and putting it in your face, sort of like this is what I have and what you don't have. They're big on that, but what is the purpose of? I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it's to kind of separate. It's like, okay, we're on a different level, on the level of like deity, something exclusive God, like when I'm more than just this. I'm on this upper echelon of like being a human. I'm not even almost like a human, I'm, I'm godlike, I want to be worshiped.
Speaker 1:Mental thing too, like like it's. Why do you think you're godlike compared to like other people?
Speaker 2:you know, personality disorders are rampant all up and through, so that has something to do with it.
Speaker 4:I think that's kind of. There's another fringe religion that Jay-Z references in one of his songs, the Five Percenters, and yeah, and you know about them right, Like the idea that, like the black man coming out of Asia, the continent of Asia.
Speaker 4:I think it's a Muslim thing, but not quite 5%, as Asian, yeah, but like that, like a lot of the tenants around, that is, that you, like you are the deity or like God is in. You know we all have like God in a. I don't know. It's interesting, but there is kind of like centering yourself in the conversation of deity, that you, you are the deity or you have the power, and I think that might be a little bit of the approach with these people and also what they're trying to sell to people, to get them to, you know, fall into this aspirational trance and, um, pursue these things and kind of worship themselves and become self-obsessed. Because I think once you're like so self-obsessed, you're easier to control. Like when your goals are money and materialism and status, you are very easy to control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but to your point about like you know. Like you are, god there's. I listened to this guy, terrence McKenna, who believes in magic mushrooms and that's one of his thoughts. Like man and God, they're all the same. Like you are God, god is you. So I thought maybe he's into mushrooms, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I need to be into mushrooms, he worships magic mushrooms or he takes them.
Speaker 1:No, no, he takes magic mushrooms. I don't know. I've never taken mushrooms. There are a lot of people when they take mushrooms. A lot of them seem to see the same things. I've never. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I took them in this is Al.
Speaker 1:Green, that's what I do. What does he call it?
Speaker 3:Oh, he has like a.
Speaker 1:But he traveled to, like the amazon, I'm like amazon and like wait, these tribes who were into these drugs and like ayahuasca ayahuasca, yeah, that's yeah, and then they all see like these same, like magical elves and shit. I'm like I want to see magical elves.
Speaker 2:I totally want to see magical elves um, I know a couple people.
Speaker 4:We have a person in common, you know I don't want to say names just in case they don't want their business out there, but like I've done, ayahuasca and there are a lot of things that are recurring visions that you see. Like a lot of people see panthers. That's like one thing that holistically, our friend in common has saw panthers on their trip and like other people have reported seeing that, and sometimes people see loved ones who have passed it's, it's kind of crazy they claim to see like, like other beings from other dimensions and like sometimes they'll like live out a whole life and like this is fascinating so I like I like to listen to him as I'm falling asleep, because I'm like maybe I can have dreams that are yeah, like live vicariously through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like I am not.
Speaker 3:I'm afraid I'll do something and then I'll just go completely crazy. I do know that I did know somebody that would have ayahuasca parties and they'd be throwing up all the time Like it could be a mess if you're not controlled and they'd be throwing up all the time. It could be a mess if you're not controlled. But what I do know about ayahuasca is that if you go through something insanely traumatic and I can't remember where I saw this, I think it was a woman her son committed suicide or the husband killed the son and then killed himself and she was just a mess for a long time she did ayahuasca and she said it was like the best thing that she could have done as far as like an eye-opening, more grounded experience. So I've heard that if you really go through like serious trauma, that ayahuasca can be something that's very helpful. I've never done it, I've only done mushrooms, um, and that is sort of like maybe a much more mild second but um yeah, I guess it depends on your mindset um.
Speaker 1:Have you seen elves while doing mushrooms?
Speaker 3:no, for me it was just more like shapes, colors um colors.
Speaker 2:I want to see elves.
Speaker 3:I don't know, yeah, no, I've never seen any uh magical beings. That would I. Honestly, I would probably live rentfree in my head if I did.
Speaker 2:I just listened to Al Green and because I believe he's my cousin and just saw some colors.
Speaker 3:Okay, Maybe you guys need to come out, we'll go to Joshua Tree and we'll go, you know, do a shroom adventure.
Speaker 4:We should podcast that.
Speaker 3:That's a fantastic idea.
Speaker 1:How far are you from Utah? How far is Utah from Arizona? Close.
Speaker 3:A couple hours north, yeah Well shit.
Speaker 1:What's the name of that?
Speaker 3:Oh Zion National Park.
Speaker 1:No, no, there's a place there Skinwalker Ranch Ah shit.
Speaker 2:Where is everyone?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Illuminati. They took over, they took control. Yeah, we lost control. There you go.
Speaker 1:They're like we're shutting this down um Skinwalker Ranch, where there's like a lot of Skinwalker Ranch okay, in Utah. I want to visit Skinwalker Ranch. I want to visit Utah what's the context of that?
Speaker 1:like I know, it's like Skinwalker stuff, but yeah, but Skinwalker Ranch is just a ranch where, like, a lot of crazy shit has happened, like it's like a family that lived there and they like a lot of crazy shit has happened, like it's like a family that lived there and they documented like a lot of stuff that happened, like things that they've seen in the dark and just stuff that's happened with their cows, and all of that Like cryptids Not even cryptids Like even like aliens, otherworldly stuff or maybe another dimension They'll mention. Sometimes you can't find something and all of a sudden they're standing there and just like there it is. I can't remember. I read it a while ago, but there's a lot of stories of things that have happened.
Speaker 4:I would move personally they eventually moved.
Speaker 1:They did okay, yeah, this guy bought it and actually the government ended up doing some research there through like these, through these companies. Oh, okay, the guy that was part of it. He has a book at Lou Elizondo where he talks about that. We got aliens y'all. But okay, that's that.
Speaker 3:If you want to go, I'll go visit. I'm down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to go see Skinwalker Ranch. I'm also a big chicken, so I probably won't. It has to be during the day if I want to go see it. Okay, like the sun has to be during the day if I want to go see it Okay, like the sun has to be out.
Speaker 4:All right.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else that we should know about these groups? Do we?
Speaker 2:believe in them, I believe in them, I believe in them totally, yeah, I think to an extent I think they, they absolutely have a lot of control and power and a large following.
Speaker 3:Um, and I know when we were talking about this before, on friday or before that, we were like what do we say? Because allegedly we're saying these things, but it is one of those things. I almost respect the power and control that they have. I don't know if I agree with a lot of it, but I do think that we maybe exaggerate some of the stuff, but I don't know. I don't know Cat Williams really got to me this year.
Speaker 2:I'm sure he takes mushrooms for sure.
Speaker 4:I follow this. Does anybody know who Sloane Bella is? We talked about this, yes we know.
Speaker 4:I love her, but she was saying about I don't know if it was jaguar right or cat williams I don't, actually it might have not been her, but one of the psychics I listened to is basically saying that, like jaguar right at least, and potentially cat williams, they know stuff, but they may be exaggerating what they know and they may have been getting information from people to see how much they would be sharing, or from sources. So it's's like they believe what they're saying, but not everything they're saying is true according to these psychics, but like like some of like, some of the things it you know are a little bit more sensationalized or based on their personal interactions with these people and information that they've gotten. It's like, oh, you're a bad person, you've done this to me, so of course you've killed people. Or like, kill this person. Bad person, you've done this to me, so of course you've killed people.
Speaker 2:or like, kill this person but that's not necessarily the case. Allegedly trying to get paid? He's just trying to get paid. Um, she's trying to get some shelter. From what I hear, she was living in a u-haul truck child body. They couldn't even serve her the papers because she didn't have no way to live we're talking about jaguar, right yes, jaguar right, I just feel like I don know, I just like hear her talk and it's very performative.
Speaker 1:Who is this person, by the way? How do I not know her so?
Speaker 2:she was a singer in like the late 90s, early 2000s maybe. I remember she did that Coke commercial. Try to make it real compared to what.
Speaker 4:That was her? I thought that was her, that was maya no, but she did one too I only, I only remember and acknowledge maya's coke commercial.
Speaker 2:Um, I actually have some of her music. I actually bought some of her music, like from back in the day we used to buy some itunes then also from the famous um, what's it called? That jay-z did live unplugged. She's young background for soul cry and it's actually a pretty good performance. She's actually uber talented but a total hot mess. So just before, like, she was talking about things that actually ended up being real, but now she's just doing a lot, and so she was on pierce mor show, I'm sure all these other little YouTube channels, fine, but then when she got on the Pierce Morgan show, it was basically saying that.
Speaker 2:Beyonce and Jay-Z allegedly don't come for me, y'all allegedly that basically they're bad people that do bad things. And then they got hit with the lawyer, jay-z and Beyonce's lawyer contacting Pierce Morgan like you got to take that part of the interview out or whatever.
Speaker 4:So they didn't have any legal action, but they threatened to you know go ahead with legal action because, jack, you can't just be saying stuff like that about people and nothing to substantiate it right, there was also the Beyonce's drummer and, I think, a former dance captain that was saying she does a lot of witchcraft and, like I don't know, I don't know, I'm probably making this up because we've been talking about cats.
Speaker 1:A woman suitor for witchcraft.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know a woman suitor, but y'all, I think If you follow conspiracy theories and all of that, what they do is there's so much information out there, they flood you with information like you don't know what's real, what's not like, and that's how you hide the truth. Some of it might be true, some of it, but you can't tell the difference. I think there are real secret societies out there. If you ever you know those men at Davos, the Bilderberg groups, like true people with like actual power, and what the Illuminati is doing. You know it's just providing them with cover and we're like let let that happen. You know, let them talk about the Illuminati, let these like rappers, hold up signs and do all this shit and hold zero power, but they're helping us Right, Cause that's where their focus is. We, we're over here like we're really making shit happen. So I think there are real, but you know Interesting too.
Speaker 3:It's almost like because you I forgot what you just said some of those companies, but then like BlackRock, and then there's some other, the one with the M, I can't remember, but they hold the power and then they use these pawns and then they make these pawns like someone like Jay-Z allegedly Allegedly, I think that they have so much power and that they're liked so much, but really it's just like being used.
Speaker 1:They are being used, yeah, so it's kind of sad in a way.
Speaker 2:They sold their soul it's all a distraction.
Speaker 3:All a distraction also rihanna over beyonce any day. I never liked beyonce listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, it was what javi was talking about before it was.
Speaker 1:Hold on hold on hold on.
Speaker 2:We were about to go to the chapel and then oh, it was what Javi was talking about before.
Speaker 3:It was like you accept the award and you dedicate it to Beyonce, Like that's some bullshit.
Speaker 4:I mean in some of those cases I wasn't mad at that because some of those cases I was like Beyonce probably could have won that award or should have.
Speaker 3:She could have. Yeah, I'm not talking about her talent, I'm just saying I just wasn't a fan of her music. I just really wasn't.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're breaking my quit, breaking my heart. You're breaking my heart. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Let's put this section behind a paywall. Listen, I'll be the black sheep.
Speaker 2:You guys are saying that okay.
Speaker 3:Does anybody in here like Rihanna? Am I the only one that likes Rihanna? I love.
Speaker 4:Rihanna. I love Rihanna.
Speaker 1:I like Beyonce. I've yet to listen to her last album. I'm just really weird when it comes to Beyonce.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like lately too. It's just kind of like something's up.
Speaker 1:First song, jolene, I was really upset about because I don't know Like I love the original and then the way she remade it. I'm like you know the original like Dolly was really like vulnerable and all that and Beyonce is like, well, you know, get my box cutter bitch, but you know get my box cutter bitch, but you know I think that's her personality, though.
Speaker 4:That's her, and I think the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me, Because it's like Jolene was about Dolly getting nervous about her husband flirting with this woman at the bank. Jay-z cheated, so like it makes sense that Beyonce is going to cut her.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it Becky yeah, becky was going to be here why are you fighting for this man?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm not fighting for you.
Speaker 3:You're for the bird, you're for the spirit alright, so okay are you like anti Beyonce or are you like no? No?
Speaker 1:I'm not, I love, I like Beyonce. I'm not like a crazy fan, but I do enjoy her music.
Speaker 3:I can't tell who likes.
Speaker 1:I enjoy her music very, very much. Thank you, Beyonce.
Speaker 4:I just want to make sure we all get out of this alive, so that's why my face is yeah.
Speaker 3:But I'll be the one If so. That's why my face is going down. Yeah, but I'll be the one If I disappear you know, what's going to happen?
Speaker 1:No, I love, I love. I'll take care of that one.
Speaker 3:I love you you're my favorite.
Speaker 1:I have not listened to her last album.
Speaker 4:It's good. It was supposed to be the first of the three and it makes sense when you think about it that way, because Renaissance is like more energetic and this is a little bit quieter.
Speaker 1:Let's continue on with the conspiracy. So I'm going to read something to you all and you can tell me whether you think it's true or not. All right, so this is called Project Stargate. So Project Stargate was a US government program conducted by the Defense Intelligence Agency in the 1970s through mid-90s, aiming to use remote viewing and other psychic phenomena for intelligence gathering purposes. It was one of the Cold War era initiatives where the US government explored unconventional methods to outmaneuver the Soviet Union, which was believed to be conducting similar research. The project began with the CIA, then transitioned to the DIA and eventually, under the codename Project Stargate, encompassed a range of operations that explored whether psychic abilities could be leveraged in national security contexts.
Speaker 2:Has anyone here?
Speaker 1:heard of Project Stargate or remote viewing or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I haven't no, okay is that what the um?
Speaker 3:this might be a stupid question, but I'm asking is this based off of the show? How they got the movie stargate and the show stargate? Because I've never seen it was like you could literally. It was like a gate. You walk through it into another world or we have contact. So that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1:When did this take place? Again, this is the 70s. Okay, so yeah, maybe.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's and it was supposed to be like a military.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the 70s to the mid 90s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's true.
Speaker 1:You think it's true? Uh, I think it's true, you think it's true.
Speaker 4:I think it's true too. It kind of reminds me of a lot of the the Montauk project stuff that made it to Stranger Things because they did a lot of that in Stranger Things and it was during that period the remote viewing and the trying to see what was going on in Russia? Yeah, no, definitely true.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I'm here for it going on in Russia. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely true, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know. I'm here for it, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think it's interesting. People think all of this, oh, it's magic, it's woo, it's all of that. We don't believe the CIA is looking into all of that Everything, ok, all right, they are looking into all of it, right? If you mk ultra like mine, you know, like controlling people's minds, like those when you see those things where, like you know, there's like a like a keyword, that like um, that someone hears, and it just like activates them to, like you know, do certain like it's just there.
Speaker 4:The cia is into this I get a little frustrated, but we live in a like a christian nation where people are like oh my God, look at those abilities like that. Because I'm like, have you read the Bible? You believe a man walks on water, somebody parted the sea, somebody turned a staff into a snake. You believe that somebody has talked to the dead, because that's in the Bible. You believe all these things, but you don't believe that this is possible.
Speaker 1:Who was it that went up into? They went up to the heaven like this 900 years. Was it abram that lived for 900?
Speaker 4:years, almost a thousand years old don't get me started on alien theory though, with like going up and like the uh up in like the face of God passing by Moses on the Mount, like like spaceship.
Speaker 1:How do people believe God was an alien?
Speaker 3:That would make sense. That would make sense. And I'm not saying like some people say, well, you're an atheist, you don't believe anything. No, I'm saying like if you put it in front of me I'll say, okay, that's real, you brought something. So maybe it's an alien, Maybe it's a flying spaghetti monster, Maybe it's something else, but maybe it's nothing. But like it's hard to just. You know, like Javi saying all of the magic that happens in the Bible and then you don't believe, like some of these other things, is wild.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 3:And I think it's a fundamental view, because not everybody takes a fundamental view but if you take a fundamental view, I guess, if you're like really basing it off, because I know a lot of, I mean, most of my friends are Christian, Catholic, and they don't believe it. They don't read the Bible, they don't believe it, they don't read the Bible, they don't. They're just like I have my own beliefs, but dark side of the moon, you know, living on Mars, we don't know any of that stuff. I don't think we found any structures yet on Mars, I mean on water and some is it some type of?
Speaker 3:life it's like a microscopic life or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, we haven't they debunked. They said no, we didn't find it. Oh, they debunked it Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we didn't find it, who knows?
Speaker 1:Frozen. Yeah, I hope it's real.
Speaker 3:I honestly do I think it would make life really fun.
Speaker 4:And who knows, we don't have a lot of miles left on this to know that we could jump somewhere quickly, that we could terraform Mars, or maybe that there's a dome on the moon. But you know what, if there's a galactic federation and there's aliens and all this stuff, then I'm like I think we have a lot more to be concerned about than the end of the world, because there's obviously a lot more going on that we haven't been privy to.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, they're saying in 2027 there's going to be a big reveal apparently.
Speaker 4:These are the past 10 years.
Speaker 1:I'm waiting, I know In 2012, the nine calendar ended. Wait what In 2012,? It was supposed to be fade to black.
Speaker 4:Well, it's funny you say 2027, because I was listening to another psychic saying that 2028 is going to be like a year of uh, a lot of consciousness raising because there's going to be, it's going to be a chaotic year. Well, there's an astro that's asking get your stuff together now, okay that time too.
Speaker 1:So they're saying it's not gonna um, it won't be close enough, but it's passing close to us in 2027.
Speaker 3:I'm going to do something right now. It's going to be 2029. It's going to be 2029? Yeah, somebody's talking to me in my head.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 3:Absolutely not what kind of they can do it, I can do it too. Cleo psychotries, this, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 1:Yep, oh my God.
Speaker 2:All right. And speaking of stars and psychics, it's time for a shady astrology. When I get in your zodiac's ass, all right? So it's scorpio season now. No shout outs to the scorpios, not at all. So, first of all, scorpio seasons from October 23rd To November 21st. They are water signs and they're also represented by the Scorpion. Notable celebs Drake, katy Perry, gabrielle Union, sierra, whoopi Goldberg and, of course, diddy the Diddler Did it him. That's Diddy.
Speaker 4:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Yes, it explains a lot. So here are some qualities about Scorpios they're secretive, brave, jealous, obsessive, possessive, controlling, loyal, ambitious and intuitive. Do any of you guys know Scorpios in your life?
Speaker 3:They don't have like every type of personality, so like personality disorders. Is that what we're saying?
Speaker 2:Look, scorpios, I'm going to get into my little rant in a second, all right. So let's talk about the Scorpios, all right? They're the spicy mystery novel of the Zodiac. Scorpios are the ones you'll find sitting in a corner at the party sipping something dark and intense and throwing side eye glances that say I know what you did last summer and I ain't impressed. No-transcript. But don't be fooled by the standoffish vibe.
Speaker 2:Scorpios are passionate and loyal. Once you're in their inner circle, they'll protect you like a hawk with a suspiciously well up-to-date security system. Just don't ever lie to them, because they'll forgive but never forget. It's actually more like I'll forgive eventually, but only after a few elaborate revenge plots that have been fully executed. Ain't nobody got time for these Scorpios? Okay? And they're supposed to be known for being like the lovers in the bedroom? Okay, absolutely not. No, he's not the one Scorpio I dealt with and I know he watches my WhatsApp. I'm sorry. Absolutely not, absolutely not. Okay, scorpios, they make dope friends, you know, but lovers Trash, absolute trash. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Absolutely not. Fuck Scorpios, yeah.
Speaker 4:Did this one have a missing side tooth? No, that's that Libra.
Speaker 1:That one last.
Speaker 4:I felt like that was more than one person. I felt like it was like and he had a missing side tooth. I heard that I feel like at least twice on this show.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, I think he did hear it twice, I was like wait, are we talking about the same person?
Speaker 2:All of them are trash, but especially that Scorpio trying to play mind games. And then you become a homosexual and you still want to play mind games. Talking about oh, you wanted a boyfriend, bitch. Why did I feed you these strawberries this morning for breakfast? Of course I wanted a boyfriend.
Speaker 3:Is this like? Actually, I feel like this is what happened to you.
Speaker 1:This seems like a personal experience.
Speaker 3:I'm getting very detailed. I would like to know more.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's not Some of it's based on a true story. Some of it, you know, on a true story. I'm just saying Scorpios, I just don't get the hype, honestly. They're just brooding all the time. I don't got time for all this brooding, brooding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't love the brooding male.
Speaker 2:No, I don't. I want someone happy.
Speaker 4:I love my Scorpio friends Our friends. Scorpio.
Speaker 2:I love the ladies Maybe because I'm not dating the ladies. Then they're lovely and I have someone I work with that's a Scorpio. She's a dope Scorpio.
Speaker 4:My friend Mike Lynch, who you know, he's a Scorpio. He's very happy.
Speaker 2:Something else is in his chart he brews on the weekends. Something else is in his chart he brews on the weekends.
Speaker 4:Listen, I can't wait to come on and do Capricorn reading. Every sign is trash. Every sign has been trash.
Speaker 3:She said Hebrews were trash too.
Speaker 4:She said Virgos were trash. She's like there must be something else in your chart, javi, but every sign has been trashed. And then there's always a very specific story about a very specific gentleman.
Speaker 1:This is what's called shady astrology. We're not here for the good.
Speaker 2:That's what we call fair and balanced. Nobody got time for that. You look at us as something nice.
Speaker 4:But there's throwing shade and then saying every sign is trash.
Speaker 2:There's a few that I like.
Speaker 4:Taurus.
Speaker 2:I like Taurus, I like Cancer and I even like Leos. I like Leo men.
Speaker 3:Why I?
Speaker 2:like them, barack Obama's a.
Speaker 1:Leo.
Speaker 4:Gabrielle Union's a Scorpio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't like her ass. She's beautiful, though she's a mean girl. She's a mean girl. She's doing stuff to her face. Now, this is very much like her claim to fame is oh I look so young. Oh, I look so young, but it's like you're doing things. You're so beautiful, you don't have to do these things.
Speaker 3:She's just looking like Madame.
Speaker 2:That's what she's looking like.
Speaker 3:Can we just say how good we all look for our age?
Speaker 2:Yes, we do. It's a sexy bunch. Why are you?
Speaker 4:shaking your head, javi, oh nothing, I just you know when you say our age and you know we met each other, be it that alumni organization where I was connected with you guys as older alumni about like 10 years ago. So I know we have a little age difference between us guys as older alumni about like 10 years ago.
Speaker 3:So I know we have a little age difference between us I'm probably older than you, but not that much right. Javi is very young and much younger than he was born in 19 90. It's not a geriatric millennial no, none of us, we're pushing it. We're pushing into genetic. No, none of us are.
Speaker 2:We're pushing it, we're pushing it to Gen X. I claim my elder millennial status. Yeah, I claim it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gen Z can hate us all they want, but they take our music, our clothes.
Speaker 1:They take our clothes. They take our clothes, my clothes. I'm just like what do you know about this? We're literally wearing our recycled clothes from Plato's closet. They're wearing Aaliyah shirts and T-Shirts and they have our slang.
Speaker 3:They're going to be wearing this shirt.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that.
Speaker 3:It's trash.
Speaker 4:I really feel Gen Z is in for I don't know the rude awakening with Gen Alpha, really just the bad chat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're going gonna know what it's like it's gonna be really.
Speaker 4:I think it's gonna be rougher just because gen office is like, I think the uh, the ad, like this hyper add yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 1:What age group is that like they're so young they're like fetuses, but no, I mean they're not.
Speaker 4:I think that's like.
Speaker 3:I think high school now is definitely gen alpha yeah yeah, because gen z, like they're almost in their 30s, I think they're like 29, maybe the oldest, so they're starting to get up there and I I've seen those tiktoks of them complaining about gen alpha and I'm like you guys, are you Just keep going? You'll be bitter about everybody when you're 30.
Speaker 1:And people quit a job with nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that energy.
Speaker 2:Well, y'all, that was it for Shady Astrology.
Speaker 1:Rich Javi, thank you for joining us on this wild ride. I really loved all of this discussion. So, yeah, I don't know how to close this out, but all I can say is for these secret societies, if they really want to keep it a secret, you don't need the rock. Oh, yes.
Speaker 2:That should be like a screenshot, like all of us just holding them up, yeah right.
Speaker 3:So we can just like what I don't get, one of those Hold on all of us hold it up, hold it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, we got to close our eyes too. Oh my God, oh my God, that's funny.
Speaker 4:Thank you for having us, though. This was great. Yeah, you guys are awesome.
Speaker 3:by the way, I hope you continue doing the podcast because it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:It is a lot of fun. I like it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I would love to come back on and talk further about ancient aliens and the dark side of the moon. Slash the lunar landing did it actually happen?
Speaker 4:did it actually happen? My question is not did it actually happen? My question is was the televised moon landing the actual moon landing only? Because I'm like the only my biggest thing about that is more of like the pr of that potentially going really awry. Like what if something really bad happened during the broadcast? That would like be bad for morale, so I could see them staging it for that to have control over it and because you know, space is it's space like we have action on stuck up there now in 2024 yeah, bring them back.
Speaker 1:My issue is how did we lose the tech to go to space like I don't even understand?
Speaker 4:good, question the investments were what else?
Speaker 1:apparently to get that far, there's like this radiation belt that's gonna kill you immediately I was reading about that, and that is not that Cause.
Speaker 4:I thought that for a while too, but that's not the. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1:They do talk no Okay.
Speaker 4:No, but let's look, let's, let's. We should have a conversation about this. Cause I was. That was literally something I was looking up a few weeks ago and I was like wait, I thought like what's up with the radiation belt? What's up, because I remember people saying that and that's why it's not real. But it's not true Something, alan.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, I did have a family friend that was an astronaut. He did a lot of the spacewalks and he had some interesting stories. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2:He never went to the moon.
Speaker 3:I never asked him about like this was a long time ago about what Javi was talking about, but I don't know. I know you can actually get on a telescope and see. I think you could see the flag on the moon if you got a really good telescope. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Also I thought about this and I want your guys' opinion. For flat earthers, I think we should start a funded program where we just shoot them up into fucking space. You know like, I just feel like, if they're disagreeing with it so much that maybe why not prove the point and end our tax dollars on proving people wrong? So I'm very petty.
Speaker 2:Oh, I like your pettiness, I love it.
Speaker 1:That's one of the ones I'm like I just I don't even look into it alright, y'all well.
Speaker 2:Thanks for joining us for this episode and if you like the vibe, make sure you like comment and subscribe. Till next time. Y'all excuse what it's bad, alright.
