Dry January and Dry Dating with Hilary Sheinbaum: Ted Talk Speaker, Author, and Writer for The New York Times, Travel and Leisure, and More

Join us in welcoming Hilary Sheinbaum, a celebrated writer for The New York Times, USA Today, Travel + Leisure, Marie Claire and more. Hilary, also a TED Talk speaker and author of, "The Dry Challenge" and new, "Going Dry: A Workbook: A Practical Guide to Drinking Less and Living More" shares her expertise on how a Dry January Challenge in 2016 transformed her life and career, leading to a journey of sober curiosity and mindful living. Discover tips for embracing an alcohol-free lifestyle while exploring cities globally, including recommendations for non-alcoholic-friendly destinations and activities. This episode is packed with fun travel tips and is not one to miss!

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Transcript

   Hello, and welcome to sober travel the podcast, or we trade hangovers for high-fives and explore the world one alcohol-free adventure at a time. I'm your host cat lions, whether you're sober, curious, or have longterm sobriety get ready as we travel across the globe with clear minds and big dreams. 

 And I'm here today with Hilary Scheinbaum. She has done a ton of things, really awesome things. She is a writer. She's contributed to many national and regional and online platforms. Just some minor ones like the New York Times, USA Today, Marie Claire, Travel and Leisure, New York Magazine.

On and on. She's also appeared on TV, CBS and NBC and all these different things. So she is a breath of knowledge and I found her through one of our other experts because she has some really nice expertise around some new sober traveling experiences and dry dating and all these different topics that we're going to touch on today.

So I'll go ahead and turn it over to you, Hillary, to just introduce yourself and tell us, how you're connected to travel. Absolutely. Hi, and thanks for having me. I'm excited to chat. I, wow, how am I connected to travel? I am an avid traveler myself. And I am a journalist, as you mentioned, and part of what I cover is travel.

And also being in the non alcoholic and sober curious space as an author, I've paired the two. So now when I go on my own vacations and even travel for work, I am definitely more likely to, choose hotels and experiences that are inclusive to people who are not drinking. Yeah, that's a little bit about my travel expertise. 

That's pretty awesome. And so where are you located that's your hub for your experiences here? 

New York City. So there are a lot of things to do in New York and Even more popular these days are the non alcoholic experiences, which I will definitely be touching upon, but I love to travel. So I am always on the go.

New York is the hub, but South Florida is where I grew up and that's also a hub for me. But in the past year, I've actually been  Spain, and Italy, and Charleston, South Carolina, and Los Angeles, and there's still a few more trips to come in the next couple months, so I am very excited for them as well.

Rough life you've got there. My sleep is a little bit messed up, I will say that, just because of the time differences, but no complaints here. 

Yeah, I hear you on that. We were just talking with another expert about sleep issues, especially when you're traveling that first night. It's the hardest. It is rough.

It is very hard sometimes. Awesome. Okay, so you wrote this whole book about doing dry challenges. Can you tell us about that? 

Yeah, so I'm going to take you back a little bit to 2016. And at the time, I was a red carpet reporter interviewing celebrities on the red carpet before big premieres and events.

And after these events were after parties. Where top shelf liquor and champagne was poured generously and Although I wasn't drinking necessarily every night, it wasn't frowned upon if I wanted to have a glass or two. And then during the day, I was freelance writing for a number of  outlets in the food and beverage category.

So my literal job was to report on wine, beer, and spirits, and cocktails, and restaurants, and interview experts in that space. So as you can imagine, as A twenty something in New York City who was living the single life, having fun with friends, and had a very exciting work life. I was drinking, without kind of a care.

And also, Didn't have to drive. So didn't have to be in an office the next morning. So I think that all contributed to what my lifestyle was like at the time and lo and behold  It's actually funny in December and December 2016. I had dinner with a friend He was often my plus one to these very fun events And he asked me if I had any New Year's resolutions coming up for 2017  to which I replied No. 

Because I thought, if I wanted to change something about myself, I didn't need to wait until January 1st. Or, I could do it whenever. I could start on a Monday. I could start the next day. I could start in the moment. It didn't make sense to me. But  we started talking about this growing  trend, if you will called Dry January that started in the UK.

And I basically rolled my eyes and changed the subject because it was so foreign from the lifestyle I was living. About a week later, it is New Year's Eve at  a party on the Upper West Side in Manhattan, and I have a glass of champagne in one hand and my cell phone in the other. And as I'm wishing all of my friends a happy new year before the ball drops, I text my friend Alejandro, who I had discussed New Year's resolutions with, and this dry January thing.

And I said, Happy New Year. And he replied, Happy New Year. And I proposed a dry January bed. Now keep in mind, I was not sober at the time. I was pretty inebriated. And so I had,  I think, this idea that this was a good idea. Which, spoiler alert, it turned out to be a great idea. But immediately after I had made this bet, I was a bit  curious, but also, a little bit just like in shock.

What have I done? This is my job. This is my life. And anyway, when the ball dropped, our bet began and We pledged to go 30 days without any form of alcohol. In the end, I won our bet.  I won a fantastic dinner at a very fancy restaurant in New York. And Alejandro, to this day, will not bet me anything ever again.

But she's also who I dedicated my book to. So we both won in the end. And that was what really started my dry January experiences. And now I'm coming up on my 8th dry January, and I've done, obviously, a number of dry months in between, and I am not 100 percent sober. I identify as more sober curious, but it is very rare that I am drinking now and it is certainly a 180 from my former lifestyle of 2016. 

You're taking steps. That's awesome. And, kudos to you for coming up with that and then sticking to it. Cause I can't tell you how many drunken bets I've probably made in my life.  But I can tell you, I probably haven't kept most of them.  

You know what? I have to say, same. And I think that this was the one that stuck.

And I'm so glad it did. Because the others, God knows what they are and who they were with. I know they were ridiculous though. And definitely not as beneficial as this one has clearly ended up to be.  

That's awesome. So talk to me a little bit about sober curious. This is a new word in the sobriety sector over the past couple of years, and I don't know if everybody knows what that means.

What does that mean for you?  

For me, it means that instead of opting for an alcoholic beverage when I am going out with friends, Or, chatting with coworkers or doing things that  are typically paired with alcohol. I'm opting to, drink something with, without alcohol is basically the gist of it.

But I think it's also just exploring other things to do in your life. Whether that is, running a marathon, which I can now talk to, and just really achieving your goals or not even having very many goals except for just I'm going to drink less, or I'm going to see how this goes.

this fits into my lifestyle and see if it works. For me, it's a hard question to answer because it's evolved so much from the beginning. At first I was like, I'm just going to get through this one month and see if it does anything, not expecting it to truly change the direction of my life.

Life and my career but I think for some people, they have specific goals like they want to Be more present or perhaps they want to live a healthier lifestyle physically and mentally and  For others, maybe it's you know being more productive. So it really depends on the person But for me, I think it's changed every year and as of now It's a lot about it's really about introducing people to a lifestyle that isn't  booze centric.

So  it sounds like an increased awareness, just an awareness around it, and that there's an alternative way that is just as fun, and you actually Have happier memories that you actually can remember and not feel crappy afterwards. 

A thousand percent. 

Yeah,  so you mentioned that this whole challenge thing changed your life.

How is your life look different now than it used to? Oh my gosh.  

Every part of my life is different.  I wrote a book, The Dry Challenge, about my experiences doing Dry January. It's great. It's a non judgmental guide for anybody who wants to, give up alcohol for a month. I will say it's not for people who are in recovery and it's not a substitute for recovery.

However, I think for somebody who is a casual drinker and wants to explore what that's like to not have a drink for 30 days or even longer it's the perfect companion. That for one, it definitely turned me into an author. But on, I would almost say as equally as important, because that was such a huge goal of mine to write a book, I never thought it was going to be about this giving up alcohol for a mere month really put into perspective how alcohol was affecting me physically, I would say even emotionally, because I was definitely getting those post red wine blues the next day.

And for a long day, like 24 hours. I also just felt  more energetic and certainly happier and I, this is during gloomy foggy, cold days of January. So it really changed a lot. And, we briefly touched upon dry dating and I think it definitely changed not just my relationship with myself, but certainly with potential partners and with my friends as well.

So full  360. I don't think that there was anything in my life that was, that remained untouched by my. Dry challenge journey.  

I love it. I love it. I feel the same way about being an alcoholic synonymous. Just like everything is different, but things are the same, but they're also so different at the same time.

And I do appreciate to you're saying, it's not a substitute for recovery. What I think is interesting though, is I'd be willing to bet. As if I was making a bet, right? That some people like, if I had done your challenge for a month, I probably would have figured out that I was an alcoholic just because of how hard it would be for me, because a lot of people, the first 30 days of sobriety. 

Is the hardest time, and so when I got sober, I was like, I'm going to drink tomorrow. And then the next day I'm going to drink again tomorrow and then tomorrow and tomorrow, much like some other authors say, but it's it's that. It's an introductory. So I like it. I think it's really cool for people who are alcoholics or for people who aren't alcoholics.

Even I was thinking about like women who get pregnant and they can't drink for a while. Maybe just having a companion, something to read about it that makes it normalized in their life would help. 

Yeah, I think.  There's two mindsets in that category. One, you explain beautifully. I think that people have the opportunity to explore their relationship with alcohol. 

On the other hand, a big reason why I say this isn't a book for people looking for a recovery solution is because I don't, I'm not a medical doctor.  I'm not, a medical professional. And certainly I don't want anyone to take away that because they did 30 days. That they don't need to do more than 30 days.

They don't need to stop altogether. And so I never want, someone to walk away and say I did 30 days. I'm fine. And  that, might not be the case. So  yeah, but I definitely think that if somebody who is a, social drinker, and maybe they haven't had the opportunity to evaluate that their relationship with alcohol, I think it is a good thing. a good opportunity to do 

I love it. I love it. Okay. So you've touched on dry dating. What is that all about?  So up until my first dry January dates for me always involved, going to a cocktail bar or some kind of, wine with X, Y, Z activity and  Because I did not anticipate doing a dry January, I really had no plan going into it.

I had dates that were on the calendar, like for three days later, I didn't know what else to do, which sounds so silly in retrospect because New York is such a, an amazing place with so many, Things to do. You can go to museums. You can, take a walk if it's not, snowing. You can do all of these different things and have all of these experiences without alcohol.

But I think we get so trapped in the routine of, meeting someone, going to drinks, sitting across from them, interview style, that we don't really think outside the box. And I think having that  opportunity gave me the realization that, yeah, of course. I live in. An amazing city. Let's go and do things that don't have us hung over the next day.

So  my first dry January was filled with those experiences where, you know, dating involved doing indoor rock climbing or doing a workout class or, going in and painting something at an art class. And I think it was just so beneficial because it really  got to. showcase my personal interests and theirs as well.

And ultimately, if you're in a relationship with somebody or you date them long term, you're not always going to be meeting them at a bar and, having these  kind of flirty, drunken moments, you will have to eventually face them sober. So I think that doing that at first can really help you set a standard and also  show that you have something more in common with this person other than just ordering the same or similar drinks.

And it's it's that quality time, I feel like when we're sitting there at a bar, we're putting on a little bit of a show, right? It's Oh, does he like me? And it's just it seems very superficial. Just when I was dating and I was drinking, it was very superficial and it was all about how much can I drink before it's uncomfortable.

Cause I would try to match that person until I got to a certain level. But then again, I'm an alcoholic, like I'm in that category. So it's so nice to see you're using your creativity, your painting, or you're seeing is this person athletic? Can they rock climb? These are things that are more quality partners, these, and sometimes I bet we get lost in the booze because, are we focusing on learning about this person?

Are we focusing on looking cute and drinking?  

And I also think, and listen, no shame in looking cute but I think that it really,  it, if you're going to spend your time with somebody and you're going to want to do these things anyway, eventually if they're in your life for the long term, like you're going to want somebody to participate with you in those endeavors.

So I found that not just the activity itself, but also the idea that somebody was open to doing an activity with me. That didn't involve booze was very important because,  I don't know, it just made things a little bit more clearer. And frankly, I think that often when you are first starting to meet someone, especially when alcohol is involved,  you can misread certain things or miss social cues or red flags that you would never put up with. 

So when people  would, either people I was going on dates with or friends of mine, would challenge if you're going to drink again on February 1st what's the point? Or just have one? Or they would, they showed signs of, I would say disrespect, not questions, but like disrespect.

It was a red flag to me because that showed that If they couldn't respect something that I was doing that had nothing to do with them, then, they probably wouldn't  support maybe other ideas of mine down the road that were perhaps a little bit more, whatever, maybe wasn't up their alley or whatnot.

For example, I just ran a marathon, which people are like, wow, that's crazy. But it was one of those things where if you can't spend a night with me for three hours, not drinking, I don't know if you're going to make it, 17 weeks of me running miles and miles. And listening to every story that I have when I come back from a run, that sort of thing.

So I think it really just shows some dedicated interest and also some patience too.  

Absolutely. And even just willingness to do something that you want to do versus what the other person wants to do. It's a good tester, honestly.  Exactly. Exactly. 

Congratulations on your marathon.

That's amazing. Thanks. Thanks. It's new to me. It's strange. It was something I wanted to do for so long and I finally accomplished a really a long term goal. So I appreciate that. Thank you. 

I love it. I love it. And these are the things that we get to do, like, when we're not hung over and feeling crappy.

I couldn't even imagine getting up and running after a night, 

absolutely. And, that's another thing, too, is  my longest run before the marathon was 20 miles. And I was already dehydrated. And to think that if I were to, get up and run for that long, I  With alcohol in my body?

Absolutely not. I would not have made it. Yeah. 

Yeah,  you gotta be proud of ourselves and our new accomplishments and everything.  Very cool. Very cool. And so you did a TED Talk, and that was about the dry dating, yes? Exactly, yeah.  So how was, I'm just curious because I think TED Talks are fascinating, how was that whole experience?

It was wonderful. I  will say I learned a lot. I always thought that TED Talks, people would get up there and, they'd read off a prompter. But at least in my experience, we had to memorize the entire talk. So if you lose your space, you have to backtrack and start over from, wherever you left off.

There's no one, with cue cards or that sort of thing. So that was interesting and different, but it was a wonderful experience. After I gave my talk there were people in the audience who came up to me and Some of them were even college students, which was amazing because they were saying, I'm just Starting in my career or I just graduated or I'm in college and so many of our of my dating Experiences are with alcohol.

We meet up at the bar we meet up and do this and it was interesting because I think That if I had heard  this commentary from someone else as a college student or as a new graduate, maybe I would have approached dating differently sooner. But it was also interesting because my TED talk was in Alabama, and there was actually a woman who was in the audience in her mid 30s, and she had never touched a drink in her life because of religious reasons.

I thought that was fascinating too and I had brought a non alcoholic rosé with me, and she tried it, and she was like, is this what rosé is like? And I was like, except, she's she's not experiencing the buzz, but she's getting the taste, so it's a new experience for so many and that was really cool.

That is so neat. That'd be so neat, and memorizing, that would be a challenge, but, yeah. Yes, you're eloquent. I'm sure it wasn't as hard as you think. And he gets, he always really hard on ourselves. 

I think we are very hard on ourselves. I also think it was a challenge, so it was new to me.

I usually have. Some kind of prompt, or I'm allowed to ad lib, and that, I think, was the bigger challenge, was not being able to fill in things or add little commentary and detail. It had to be exact word for word. That was interesting.  

Yeah. I'm  on a tangent all the time. I don't know. 

Oh, truly.

I'm like, oh, let me tell you this story, and now we're going to go to this topic, and then this. Amen.  

Not that.  Okay. That's good to know. Keep that in the back of my mind.  Yeah. So going back to traveling and you've done a lot of traveling and just in your lifetime, it sounds like, are there any cities or even specific restaurants that you could recommend that would help people who are sober for whatever reason?

Absolutely. I think New York has. Become very inclusive of non alcoholic options and certainly people who are not drinking for whatever reason there are  A bunch of venues now. There are a few that still don't have options They have diet coke, which I will always take a diet coke, but  there's a restaurant called lomelo in nomad in manhattan and On their brunch menu and now on their cocktail menu as well.

They have non alcoholic gin options And at a Lower East Side bar called Unlisted. They now have a plethora of options for, non alcoholic cocktails. And those restaurants and bar are both attached to hotels, which makes it perfect if you want somewhere to stay.  And yeah, there are tons.

There are so many non alcoholic bottle shops, too, that are in New York and L. A. And all over Texas. It's crazy. I think there's, I wouldn't say there's one for every state, but it's definitely getting there. So I think that as the space grows and more people are aware of it, they'll gravitate towards those, venues, those restaurants, those bars.

And certainly now more than ever, I think technology is so helpful too. There's actually an app called Better Without where you can type in where you're visiting and it'll show you places that you can get non alcoholic beverages. So if you are with a company that is drinking and you are not drinking for whatever reason, You can still go to the same restaurants, go to the same bars, go and hang out at the same, places and both enjoy yourselves and drink what you want.

I think that's really helpful too.  

That is, and what a useful app just to navigate through and does it have do you use, have you used it? 

I have. It's, what's crazy to me is I'm like, how did I not think of this? I'm so glad it exists, but I'm also a little jealous because it's fascinating. There are apps for everything, right?

There are like pizza apps. There are,  there's nothing that hasn't been done and this, I think is just so wonderful and  there's just nothing else like it. 

That is really cool. Is it just for the U. S., or do you think it's other places, too, or not sure? 

So it started in the U. K., actually, so Yeah, exactly, and it's expanding yeah, users can submit their favorite places, and restaurants themselves can contact the app and get set up, so I love it! Yeah, it's awesome. 

It's like having a friend to recommend things like in your pocket. I love that. I'm going to download it. I hadn't even seen about that, which is so funny because this is my space, this is what I do. And so things pop up like this and I'm like, Ooh, that sounds exciting.

Let's do that now. 

I think what's so great about the space is that it is growing and it is growing so fast and there is so much interest and it is really just. evolving so quickly. There's something new every day. I open my inbox and there's a new non alcoholic wine or an app or  a travel program or, something different and new.

And it's just an exciting time right now for the space.  

It sure is. It sure is. Are there any places that you found in the complete opposite that you would say maybe avoid if you're a drinker? I mean there's obvious ones like Vegas, but like just any places that you're like, oh, that was bad? You know what's actually funny is that I think Vegas is  pretty good about not drinking.

I think obviously for obvious reasons, it's a very Potentially triggering place and definitely the place where people go to drink and to party but  Recently, I wrote a story for TripAdvisor and there are tons of restaurants from Tao to the Waldorf hotel bar that serve non alcoholic beverages and Thing about Vegas too is that although yes, there are nightclubs and restaurants and there's a focus on drinking there are also  Restaurants where you don't have to order a beverage, or you can go on these excursions and, really explore the city.

There are, I would assume the same too. I would say Vegas is probably the worst city for this, but,  Transparently,  I think that it's doing a better job than some others. I don't know if there's one city that I want to call out and,  Be like, you each do better, but I do think that,  I think New York and LA are leading the charge, for sure.

Yeah, I, that's what it seems like, it seems definitely Southern California and New York, for sure.  I love it. You're from Florida. I was in Florida last year, and I was impressed by the amount of non alcoholic fun because it's that whole like Caribbean ish vibe in Florida, especially near the ocean.

And there were so many places that had non alcoholic fun. Like fun mocktails, or where it just wasn't focused on drinking, it was more focused on food, and that's great.  Absolutely.  Yeah, I always tell people, I'm like, I can't drink, but I can eat, so where should I eat?  

Damn, whenever somebody's Oh, I don't know, like what we should do, I'm like, we should go get ice cream. That is always my top choice.  

I agree. Always a good idea. Absolutely.  Okay. Let's see here. So do you have any other tips or strategies as we start getting to the end here? Any tips or strategies just in general that you're like, Oh, people should probably know about this. Anything like that? 

Oh, for sure.

When traveling, I think it's helpful to  From top to bottom plan it out. I am definitely a planner I'm a little bit type a and so I like to know what's coming. Surprises are great, too Don't get me wrong. But in terms of travel, I love to just be organized. So when you're booking your flight we want to look and see what airlines offer non alcoholic options. JetBlue has non alcoholic beer. Alaska Airlines, for example, has non alcoholic cocktails and they have options in their lounges as well. I think destinations really matter. For example, if you're staying in New York, you'll have an easy time getting around.

Without alcohol. I think the same goes for LA and even  in, really lovely places where you think, oh, let me have a drink on the beach. There are hotels, all over the island of Maui. The Fairmont is a really great example. They have a curated non alcoholic menu and their beverage director is sober.

So it's really about having an understanding, right? Yeah. For the customers who are coming who want to experience these amazing destinations and have these great same experiences just without a buzz and without a hangover, I think, in terms of, If you're, traveling for the holidays or like New Year's or you are going to not drink during January or any other time and you are bringing the host or the hostess a gift, I think so often we, our brains go to wine, right?

Whereas you can easily purchase a non alcoholic wine. My go to's are Freshenet, Alcohol Removed, they have Sparkling White and Sparkling Rosé. Mionetto, which is one of the most famous Prosecco brands. Now they have a non alcoholic Sparkling White. And You can bring those with you. You can offer them.

And I do this all the time at parties. I even bring non alcoholic spirits. There's a brand called Free Spirit. And also Damrock Zero, which is a gin. Free Spirit has gin, and they have a bourbon, and they have a tequila, and it's like my party trick. I'm like, okay. If you, even if you are drinking, drink your, concoction over there and then you're gonna try mine and we're gonna see which one tastes better.

So I think that's also a great option. It's always if not an icebreaker, it's definitely a topic of conversation that I love like challenging people to. I'm like, all right what do you think of this? Because I think everyone has, preconceived notions about what drinking without alcohol looks like or tastes like. 

And I would say that Yeah, just like mapping out your restaurants and your non alcoholic options at bars and venues including, using Better Without. I think there are a lot of ways to plan travel. And  certainly,  you don't have to spend your time in restaurants or bars anyway. You can go, take a hike.

You can go sit on the beach. You can.  Literally do anything in the world alcohol does not have to be involved. And  most of the time, I think, when we plan these fun activities,  we know in the back of our minds alcohol might be present, but it doesn't have to be. 

I love all the things that you just said.

I was just thinking, in the past, before I was sober, if I was going to New York, for example, I would be thinking, okay, where am I going to go drink on a rooftop bar, right? Okay. And now I'm like, okay, how can I get myself a hot dog and a coffee and walk around Central Park, that's, that to me is more way more exciting and soul filling than sitting in a bar on a rooftop.

I just get a hotel that has a beautiful view, and then get like a bagel from down there and be like look at I'm doing New York stuff.  It's not,  it doesn't have to be the drinking piece. Romanticizing about a city via drinks.  A thousand percent. 

I also think that,  to that point, drinking  is not the main event.

There are so many things that I think we associate now with drinking and having fun, but when you take away the booze. Those things are still fun. They're more fun.  I hosted a non alcoholic happy hour for some friends and they were like, that was the best party. That was so much fun. And I had to step back and say, of course it was, because you're fun because we're fun because our friends are fun.

It's not the booze that is enhancing this. It's just being together with the people that you want to be around and socialize with and connect with. And don't get me wrong. It was a beautiful rooftop and a lovely night out, weather wise, but ultimately it comes down to the company that you're keeping and Just being in, community with other people.

Yeah, it can be a lot more authentic when you're sober.  

Oh Definitely  Do you know how many? Lines of BS people have given me when they are drunk It is definitely like more clear more authentic. It is no, you know fuzziness or anything else. It is just pure I am me and you are you.  

I love it. I love it.

Okay. This has been awesome. You've had so many good suggestions and tips. I really appreciate you being here. Do you have any, any last things to add or final thoughts?  

I think that if you are thinking about doing a dry January, you should go for it, and I don't think it has to be  for people who are obviously not in recovery or looking for a recovery source.

I think that you can take it a day at a time, and it doesn't have to be this all or nothing situation. If you have one drink, you call it a one drink January. If you are drinking less, you call it a  January. I think that As long as you are aware of what you are consuming and you are consuming less of it Then it is a success and from my experience personally, I found that even though year one started with one month and year two was two months And now it's become and i've evolved, you know into barely drinking that's a possibility as well, so I think just Being knowledgeable, being aware, and yeah, and doing your best.

That's what counts.  

Yeah, and being kind to yourself in the process, probably. 

1, 000%. Giving up alcohol, even, we can talk for days and days about we feel amazing, and it's so much better, and life is brighter, and 1, 000, 000%, you have to acknowledge that giving up alcohol, no matter what, is difficult.

It is everywhere, it is so part of It's part of our culture. It's part of travel. It's part of experiences. And I think that, yeah, you definitely need to be kind to yourself because it's not easy.  

Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Thank you so much for being here. And I really appreciate your time. And I will see everyone of our viewers tomorrow for our next interview.

Thank you so much. Bye 

bye. Bye. 

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