HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
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Ever wondered how legal troubles can reshape a hip-hop career? This episode kicks off with a lighthearted Halloween nod and playful banter, setting the stage for a lively discussion on the latest in hip-hop culture and sports. We humorously critique the Yankees' recent performance and consider how Fat Joe's World Series representation stacks up against Ice Cube's. Our minds wander to imagine how 50 Cent might have fared in the stadium spotlight, bringing energy and humor to our critique. Meanwhile, we reflect on the evolving hip-hop landscape and the importance of fan support for artists navigating personal and professional challenges.
The spotlight shines on our guest, LT, aka Lyrical Talent, who shares his journey from Little Rock, Arkansas to making waves in the music industry. We explore his experiences with the Southern Soul Music Festival in North Carolina and his work promoting artists across genres. LT's insights offer a unique perspective on the blend of authentic artistry and commercial success, drawing connections to icons like Tyler, the Creator and Lloyd Banks. Our conversations are filled with spirited debates and thoughtful comparisons, capturing the essence of hip-hop's past and present while highlighting the dynamic nature of the industry.
We also dive into the weighty topic of legal challenges facing artists, focusing on how these hurdles can affect their careers and creativity. Thug's struggles with legal restrictions, financial strain, and the potential for a career resurgence are explored in depth. We convey the complexities of navigating the music industry's intersection with legal systems, examining how self-incriminating behaviors and digital footprints can have real consequences. Our discussion extends to reflect on artists like Che Noir, whose lyrical depth continues to push boundaries and shape the future of hip-hop.
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Speaker 2:Yo. What's good Welcome to Hip Hop Talks everybody.
Speaker 3:I'm the incomparable Coop.
Speaker 2:And these are the temptations. Happy Halloween.
Speaker 1:Yes, lady, as I be starting.
Speaker 2:I couldn't help. There was a gap, there was an opening there. I had to take it. That's great.
Speaker 4:How's everything been?
Speaker 2:I'm tired man, you taking the gaps is wild you had to take it, I had to take it, nevermind you want to know what y'all have the dirtiest minds, is that so you have the dirtiest minds mine, is that so? Yeah, the dirtiest minds Mines are awful. Yeah yeah, y'all are awful. Y'all are dirty old men. Dirty old men, yeah yeah, we already know about you. The honeypack moment is probably like the season one moment. That's the season one moment. That's going to live in infamy.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, yeah, the show was good, but you know you remember that night the nigga went wild on the honey packs right that was.
Speaker 4:That was mad long ago. We on what 40? Now we part of the 40 40 club. It's episode 40, so we've been here for a little bit.
Speaker 2:No, no, no double up on the 40 pack is like on the honey pack. It's like drinking a 40 on at 9am. Nigga, there's no living that damn right now nigga remember that time. You got up and went to the sit go at fucking 830 and went and got a fucking 40 ounce. You got a. Bud Ice drinking Bud Ice at 9am. You ain't doing shit with your life absolutely nothing so we're gonna go ahead and kick it off. I think we're going to go ahead and slide into my vibe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, let's go, let's get it.
Speaker 2:I mean, now hold on now. I know, sean, I know who you picked to win the World Series, but I knew that you picked them, so that's how I knew they were going to lose. But I mean, ag, didn't you pick the Yankees as well? I did Okay, gonna lose. But I mean, ag, didn't you pick the yankees as well? I did okay, so, so I picked the dodgers. So you're both wrong. Neither one of you know what you're talking about, but I already knew that already. I mean no, no, it's okay, it's not your segment. All right, we'll get to you in a minute if you say so, I mean hot I mean i't know what was worse their fifth inning last night or Fat Joe's performance?
Speaker 2:What was the worst New York moment in you all's opinion? Was it Fat Joe's rap performance? Because I mean Ice Cube, I mean you know he just like he actually gave, like you know, a real, like you know performance Fat Joe's wrong, so I mean it makes sense. I mean, so is KRS-One what?
Speaker 1:does that mean? What's that even mean? Yeah?
Speaker 4:I'm not going to lobby for KRS-One at the World Series. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean hold on, hold on. I mean what does the Bronx have to do with those? Because I mean they play in the Bronx.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's about it. That's about it. Is that why they picked?
Speaker 2:Fat Joe, because Fat Joe is from Boogie Down.
Speaker 1:Home team, home team. And Fat Joe is in the algorithm. He's safe. It's crazy to say Fat Joe is safe.
Speaker 4:And Ashanti did the anthem correct. She did so I mean, you got the Fat Joe Ashanti connection too, you know.
Speaker 2:So a couple things can be true. So here's what's true the Yankees suck and so does Fat Joe's performance Wow. But at the same time you kind of have to be proud for fat joe, because, for what fat joe's prowess is on the actual mic, guys like fat joe don't usually get opportunities like this to even come out and do something like this. You know what I mean. So he really has upped the ante on like what his stature is like in terms of importance to this culture, that he's doing something like this. Cause this is something like don't you think this would have been a bigger deal had a 50 cent done it, especially like after ice cube. It's like the way ice cube showed out. It's like you would think they like like New York, just with the New York state of mind, like pun intended, would think, like you know, like hold on, hold on, we need to try to call Jay or Jadakiss or Nas.
Speaker 4:I don't think 50 allowed back on a baseball field after that first pitch. I don't think they allow him in the MLB no more after that.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey might throw like a sissy, but he rap like a beast.
Speaker 4:Okay, but to your point, I think, could Joe perform the hip-hop 50? You know, I'm saying yankee stadium and that performance was actually good that performance was good I'm not knocking joe, I mean the performance sucked.
Speaker 2:I mean that happens sometimes. It just happened at the wrong time. And then when you juxtapose it to the ice cube performance, it looks even that more whack. And then there's, like you know, the, the team you know not only not playing well but then choking. Like it's one thing not to play well, it's another thing to choke and then to choke at home Like that fifth inning. That was one of the worst innings that I've ever seen a team play. I'm glad it happened to the Yankees.
Speaker 4:Dodgers pitching might be too much for the Yankees, and as far as Ice Cube, Ice Cube's just better than Joe. I mean, that's not even a question.
Speaker 2:Well that's what I'm saying when the Dodgers are bringing out an Ice Cube. Don't you call a 50? Like, I get what you're saying, ag, and it's a good joke. Don't you call a 50 instead of a Joe though?
Speaker 4:Am I wrong for like thinking that Not for home team, not for the Bronx, Not?
Speaker 1:for the Bronx. Think about who Joe is. Very territory Joe is managed by Rock Nation. 50 is not. That's the X factor, right there by design.
Speaker 4:Imagine the world where that was. Imagine an alternate timeline where that was true.
Speaker 2:I wasn't aware that Fat Joe was in contractual obligations with Roc Nation.
Speaker 4:You see all the places he's popping up, right, that's no coincidence.
Speaker 2:Hey, look here. I don't want to upset the Illuminati, so we're just going to move to the next topic. Okay, Want to go somewhere else? Let's do it. In your federal rapper court case news it seems like young thugs free with some conditions. Want to go over these conditions briefly for the people if I may.
Speaker 2:May I go over these conditions? Excuse me, I have to read them out because that was just given to me recently so I can't remember all of them offhand. I think it's very have to read them out because I was just given to me recently so I can't remember all of them offhand. I think it's very important to read them out properly. He's banned from the metropolitan Atlanta area. So here's what people need to understand what that means. The metropolitan area also includes the subsidiary and suburban areas of Atlanta, georgia. So he's not allowed in Alpharetta, sandy Springs, smyrna, marietta, gwinnett. He's not allowed in any of the suburbs either. So it's pretty much saying if you're going to stay in the state of Georgia, you are going to have to move to a rural area outside of Atlanta. You can't live in anything that's considered to be metropolitan Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Metropolitan Atlanta is actually what makes up most of the Atlanta that people talk about. The actual city of Atlanta itself is actually very small. To juxtapose that, the city of Charlotte is actually larger than the city of atlanta in actual like size if we're actually talking about actual city. But atlanta's metropolitan area is vast and abundant in very five boroughs like in addition to having a city. So imagine if the five boroughs had, like, a core city, because that's kind of how Atlanta's metropolitan area is designed. So he's not allowed in any of those areas and I think that's a very, very, very big deal, because that means that people coming in are going to have to go out just to get down with him. You get what I'm saying. Like you're not going to be able to pull up in the city, pull up in.
Speaker 2:Buckhead pull up in Midtown, pull up, and you know I'm saying you're not going to be able to pull up in the city. Pull up in Buckhead, pull up in Midtown, pull up in. You know what I'm saying. You're not going to be able to pull up like in the city with him and get work. So he has to do four presentations slash concerts a year denouncing gang violence. I want to hear some further details about that, like if the money for the ticket sales where that money is going, is he getting paid for that? Is some of that going towards charity? Is there some sort of conditions and terms that goes with those four presentations slash concerts? Because what? I would imagine that those four presentations slash concerts. We haven't been told if they're going to be free, if they're going to be for purchase, when they're going to be, where they're going to be. So we need more details on that.
Speaker 2:He can only travel for work and for music, which is pretty much the same damn thing. I mean, his work is his music. I'm pretty sure he has some branding and advertising opportunities, but I'm pretty sure all of those things are off the table now after all of this. So his true profession only and probably main and only source of income right now is his music, so he can only travel for that. He cannot be around any gang members or co-defendants except for his brother and Gunna. Now, real quick, because I think there's only one more thing to go over. What do you think about the possibility of a thug and gunner reuniting?
Speaker 1:That's going to be the first thing that comes out. That's going to be the first thing.
Speaker 1:He told the judge he wants to work with gunner right, that's one of the conditions. That's the first thing that's going to drop. It has to be the first thing that's going to drop. It has to be the first thing that's going to drop. It has to be the first domino that drops, because it got to show that all is forgiven, whatever that may be, and everything's moving forward. That's going to have to be the first. You got to get that out the way before you start getting into the other things.
Speaker 4:Almost like a front and good faith kind of you know, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Got to set the tone. That's to set the tone. Mark Him and Gunna.
Speaker 3:That's to set the tone for everything else to come afterwards.
Speaker 1:That's why I was mentioning in court as a condition he won't work with Gunna.
Speaker 4:What is it if he violates any of these? Is it 20 years, yet if it's violated?
Speaker 1:I think it was 25. Was it 25?
Speaker 4:It was either 20 or 25. I can't remember, I think it was 25.
Speaker 1:Was it 25?
Speaker 4:It was either 20 or 25.
Speaker 1:I can't remember, let me check. I think it was 25.
Speaker 2:I will say this this move. To me it does reek of the fact that his resources have been dilapidated. They don't have anything on him to give him the type of time that they were seeking to give, but what they were going to do was drag this out further in litigation which, financially, was going to further deplete his resources. I mean bug on ice for a couple of years now, hadn't it been? Yeah, so think about it. It's been two years of no new money coming in. Think about what his expenses and his lifestyle looks like. Think about what these attorney fees look like. Think about all the money and he probably had coming in monthly, like that was part of some sort of contractual obligation that he signed could be with local people, nationwide people just advertisements, deals, endorsements. You know what I'm saying. All of that cease and desist for almost, for almost 48 months. Essentially, you know. I mean because I feel like this happened around this time two years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So think about that. This is, this is what I mean when I tell people. I never forget when my cousin told me no, they call it processing you. Because, like, it's like the process of everything that they do is really a process of breaking you down, whatever way, wherever your strength is the process and the design is set up to break that down, even though they haven't had anything to really stick it to them. Because, think about it, this shit should not have taken two years. If they really had something on him that was concrete enough for the charges that they initially brought up, it should not have taken long, what they can do is ruin your motherfucking life.
Speaker 2:You feel what I'm saying? It don't matter who you are. It don't matter who you are, hey Puff. It don't matter who you are. It don't matter who you are, hey Puff. It don't matter who you are. It don't matter how big you are Pause, get it. Puff Big. Don't matter how big you are. Anyway, look here, all jokes aside, federal government this American federal government is the biggest gang in the world and if they want to get your ass, they're going to get your ass, and it's just a matter of how they get your ass. When they get their hands on your ass, they're going to take whatever it is that your strength, and they're going to make it your weakness. They're going to take whatever it is that's your strength and they're going to make it your weakness. They're going to break you. You're going to capitulate to something, even if they have nothing, once they have decided to come get you.
Speaker 2:Yep, because they can't go back and say I'm sorry we was wrong, my bad, hey nigga, go home. The feds don't work like that.
Speaker 1:No, you know what. I'm saying Get your money back, get your resources back.
Speaker 2:Nah, the feds don't work like that. They don't be like, oh my bad, we messed up, it really wasn't like that, here's your life back. They be like oh my bad, we messed up, it really wasn't like that, here's your life back. They'd be like well, you know, we don't got this nigga, so you know what we have to do, right. So they just did it, and now he's, you know like. I don't even know what the tally is on the money that's been spent, but I would imagine that at least half of what he had is gone. At that, at least half of what he had is gone, at least bare minimum, bare minimum, probably closer to 75% to 95%. So he essentially in his late 30s. Hold on, how old is Thug? 36, 35, 36? In his late 30s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he was out of it Mid to late 30s, yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to find out how old Thug is. I feel like he's in his mid-30s now. Yeah, Okay so essentially he has to start over financially as a rapper at 35, 36. Think about that. I know he's Thug, so I mean it's going to go more than the average 35, 36-year-old rapper stepping back into the game is. But it's like really think about that 33.
Speaker 1:33.
Speaker 2:33?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he still got time, he got some room.
Speaker 4:Yeah, damn, get that Grizzell to work.
Speaker 2:Ethic by the time they blew, they was you know what I'm saying late 30s. That's rapper prime years. Though, though, your rapper prime years are typically like I mean like a rapper is usually great, like your typical rapper used to be great from like 16 to 25, and then it was shorter than that, so it used to be running back here I mean, yeah, I'm just, I'm just thinking about the spectrum of, like, some of the people great like later.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm trying to factor in because you've got to think about it. We're 25 years removed from a DMX and a Jay-Z who were 27 and 28. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:All of who was 27 and 28 when they started and that was 93.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right. So Cats is a little bit extended now. Right, so Cats is a little bit extended now. So it's like when you're looking at it it's like, well, I mean, they just took a couple prime years from Tug. They took years like 30-ish, going into 33.
Speaker 3:You know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that's a hard year. It will be, but I think the city will get behind him. Like if you think about Murder Inc, let's not worrying about that. If you think about Murder Inc, when they got depleted, it was more so just to make sure they didn't have funds or resources to feed off to Preem. You know what I mean. And at that time Murder Inc was under fire from the industry as well. You know everything was against them. It wasn't just the Fez, the industry wasn't backing them up.
Speaker 1:Def Jam dropped them. No one wanted to get close to him. Jay removed himself. You know others removed themselves. 50 was on the rise. So their resources and their support was depleted. Not just the money, it was everything that came along with it Monetary and just the other resources that come along with that. With Thug, I don't think that the industry has ostracized him. So the opportunity for him to get that support from Atlanta, they're going to rally behind him. He's going to get shows, the only thing that's going to throw it off. And this is where you're going to see where Thug is really create if he's creative enough, because he won't be able to talk that street stuff no more, you won't be able to talk that street stuff no more.
Speaker 1:You won't be able to talk about that thug stuff anymore, right? So he's going to have to really be creative. Maybe stop ghostwriting, you know, living vicariously through others. He's going to have to start doing different things to create that revenue stream to get back to where he needs to be, but Atlanta is definitely going to hold him down.
Speaker 4:But look at just what you brought up, though, right, because that creates an interesting dichotomy, because you said you know the city is going to be behind him, but which is probably true, but he can't touch the city. So it's like what does that support look like? You know what I'm saying. He can't touch the city himself. You know what I'm saying to the city himself. You know what I'm saying. To even feel that love or get that love, you know what I mean. And then those shows that we spoke to, you know where it has to be a different kind of message. So if he puts on these shows, then his whole content got to change, because if not, then it's like an oxymoron, it's counterproductive to the better message that you're trying to give at these shows that you're required to do.
Speaker 2:Not even that AG, and I'm sorry to cut you off. But what about the stuff that he's already recorded? How much of this stuff can he say out loud now?
Speaker 4:Right, you gotta get in a new bag. You know what I mean Record, new material. How much of this stuff can he?
Speaker 2:do Think about this. I don't know if y'all know how the state is designed, but it's like okay. State is designed, but it's like okay. So he's going to have to start doing his shows in Columbus and Augusta and Valdosta and Athens. We're about to see how much the town really loves him because they're about to have to drive about an hour or two just to go see him. Now, if that's the case, lagrange, like all these places, or at least 90 minutes away from Atlanta on a good day.
Speaker 4:But even at those shows, if he got to get in a new bag to change his content, will people even mess with it like that? Because he's known for a certain, you know certain content.
Speaker 2:Yep, I don't know man.
Speaker 2:We're about to find out, I mean we're about to find, I mean we're about to find out, right, we're about to find out, alright, on, uh, unfortunately, some more federal related rapper ass rapping ass news. So, um, I don't know how to say this. Um, dirk's locked up and it looks bad guys, really bad, ass nukes. So I don't know how to say this Dirk's locked up and it looks bad guys, really bad, really bad. It looks bad, like it looks. Look, if Thug is official barometer and scale of how bad this looks, and think about what just happened to Thug this looks about five times worse.
Speaker 4:And it didn't even have to be that the whole flight risk aspect of it.
Speaker 2:Let me lay out a couple of things that have happened. First of all, they have a musical recording that never got released that literally in detail describes how this shooting happened and how it played out. That's one that's crazy. If that is true, I cause I haven't heard the song. If that is true, that is the dumbest thing that a rapper has ever done on Mike in the history of rap.
Speaker 4:If that's true, it's that's true.
Speaker 2:Crazy rappers indict themselves all the time, though all the time, which which is very problematic, not quite like this still shouldn't be able to be used in court, though not quite like this.
Speaker 2:No, no, I believe in freedom of speech. We're going to talk about that some as well, ag, if we have time. So, like, try to hold that footnote as a thought about whether that should be used in court or not, because if we have time, we should circulate on that and talk about that briefly. Not only that, the alleged hit that you put out didn't even hit the person that you planned to hit. You didn't even hit your mark.
Speaker 2:And on top of that, niggas is out here renting cars in their names, their government names, when they going to slide on some gang shit. This shit just looks stupid all around it looks stupid. And then you book three flights. You book three flights. You book three flights which I don't the suspicion is already aroused about you and your way of circumventing the arousal To the federal government once again, which, I'm going to say again, is the biggest gang in the world. Say again, it's the biggest gang in the world. I'm going to book three different flights thinking that that shit's about to fool the federal government, like you're doing something that hasn't been done.
Speaker 4:That made the situation way worse.
Speaker 2:It made the situation ten times worse.
Speaker 1:It elevates it.
Speaker 2:Should have shut the fuck up. Tried to get under a fucking tractor trailer. Get your ass to Canada. Get your ass to Acapulco. Shut the fuck up. You're up here booking flights and shit. They're out here booking flights and booking rental cars in their names, with the feds literally taking pictures. Guys, I'm going to let you have it. I think I've said enough.
Speaker 4:Crazy situation, I don't know what else to say? Crazy situation, man.
Speaker 2:Lord, help these niggas. God bless them. Like what the fuck.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean. A lot of times that lifestyle catches up to you, man, and I feel like Dirk was actively trying to make a change in his content. You know what I mean, but I think it was a you know what they say a day late and a dollar short. You know what I'm saying A little too late because your past got a way of catching up with you. You know what I mean, and I think that you know we're seeing the consequences of that right now. And I mean, and I think that you know we're seeing the consequences of that right now and he elevated the situation even worse when he became a flight risk. So we don't see how this play out, but it's a bad situation.
Speaker 2:Hotter than July and fish grease.
Speaker 1:Okay man, look it's a different game they play out there. Now, man, it's a different game. You know what? Now, man, it's a different game. You know what I mean. Shout out to my man, mark. Mark is in the chat. Mark and I just always have these conversations. Mark's from Philly. Mark is in the grind out there, very connected. His cousin is actually the rapper Maskill. That's his cousin. Shout out to Mark. I see Mark From VA, yeah, from.
Speaker 2:VA.
Speaker 1:Mark from me, but shout out to Mark. I see Mark From VA. Yeah, from VA. No, mark is from.
Speaker 2:Philly. Mark is from Philly, mark Johnson, mark, we don't hold that against you. Mark's my man.
Speaker 1:Mark's my man. Well, mark keeps me close to the streets in Philly, but we had this conversation before. The rules in Chicago is different, man, it's a whole different world out there. Like they diss their ops, they go out there, they take pictures by the grave site, they dig up the grave site. They just do things different out there. You know, I mean, and it's unfortunate, because they put it on Instagram, they put it on video, they put it on wax, all of that and all they are doing is planting evidence all over the place, all over social media. And who's watching social media at every cause and every tip and turn. You know who's watching it.
Speaker 1:And now you're going to do all of this allegedly, because you're innocent to proving guilty. So we'll say allegedly for right now. But you got plane tickets, you got wires, you got confirmations, you got all of these tallies that suggest that you were highly involved. Not just involved, but highly involved, you were deeply involved. How are you going to? You better call Young Thug's lawyer. You better call somebody. Better get some help out there, because this don't look right.
Speaker 4:Yeah well, yeah, that murder front higher charge that's different.
Speaker 1:That's a daily, but that's the one that's the one Right, that's the one.
Speaker 2:That's the one. Let me tell you what, let me tell you how this really happened. Oh, they couldn't get the Rico, so this is what they settled for.
Speaker 1:Facts.
Speaker 2:This is what they settled for. Everybody listen to what I'm saying again. Young rappers, hustlers, everybody take notes. They couldn't get the Rico, so this is what they did.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a hell of a consolation.
Speaker 1:And that's the one Coop, because this is the one that can be substantiated. That's what they do.
Speaker 2:They win 98% of their cases for reasons they don't come and get your ass unless they can substantiate it. They convict you on what they can substantiate it. They convict you on what they can convict you on Nothing less than they do not come and get your ass until they got your ass.
Speaker 1:They're not coming until they got something, Something they have to suggest that look, we're going to get you on something.
Speaker 4:Look at how much time it passes. What two years.
Speaker 2:Look here. If they think they can get you on a murder for hire charge, oh nigga, you could have moved 50 bricks the week before, like right in front of them, with them across the street. They're like we don't want that weight. He might get out on that weight in 30 years. We trying to get some shit on him that's going to put him away for good. Right right right, keep moving that weight. Take them lying, they will. They'll let you get away with smaller shit so they can get the shit they really want.
Speaker 4:On you, that's how the game is played. It's how it's played.
Speaker 1:It's how it's played, so.
Speaker 2:I was about to promote the Southern Soul Music Festival event that we're all going to be at next weekend, but I think my man, lt, is about to step into the building. Sean, can you check and see if we got it?
Speaker 1:Yep, I see him coming through. Get the super chats real quick, cool, and I get LT, lt. You can hear me. Give me a thumbs up, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:These look like Mad Max super chats. These not real super chats, Sean. These look like Mad.
Speaker 1:Max super chats. These not real super chats.
Speaker 2:Sean Hold on Mad Max with the $199 super chat Prime years, he was always garbage Max. In your prime years, you were always garbage. Next super chat. Who is he talking about? Who is Mad Max talking about in his prime years? He?
Speaker 1:was always garbage. He was talking about Thug.
Speaker 4:Whoa. You're so disrespectful I mean it's not like when Ali was banned from boxing. Let's be clear it's not like that. No, it's not that bad.
Speaker 2:They deserve worse. Bad Max once again with the very ignorant and uninsightful super chat. We'd like to thank you, mad Max, for participating. Put your ass. We'd like to thank you, mad Max, for participating. Put your ass down somewhere, trying to get you some hip-hop knowledge. Today we actually got a great show for you, Mad Max Yo Cheers.
Speaker 1:Yo Mad Max Coop's his um. His opinion represents his own. It does represent us as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, mad Max, our guy. I think Coop and Mad Max are each other's biggest fans.
Speaker 1:Yeah they are, they are.
Speaker 2:Mad Max be right. Okay, so when Mad Max started, mad Max was wrong for about a year and a half straight. Took him a long, long time to get his shit together. That's a crazy story. Now, once about every six weeks, he says something that's worth saying. If you weight that on a scale, it's like having a kid that you borderline are going to have to put in the remedial and the special classes, and then that student actually proving themselves to become a C student. It's not like he's going to any special institution, it's just a 2.0 average, but it's better than the special class that you thought that you were about to put him in.
Speaker 4:I thought he was going to be putting puzzles together all day my man's super chatting.
Speaker 1:He's a friend of the show. Cool to be doing.
Speaker 4:Coop says pretty much his super chats is like him playing the slot. He only him playing the slots. He only win, like once every blue moon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, queens, get the money Max.
Speaker 4:We got, lt we got company.
Speaker 2:We got company Another 199 super chat from Mad Max and then we'll get the LT. I'm in a bad mood, yankees lost. I'm in a bad mood. Yankees lost someone deep in time with Mad Max. I hate to be the one to break it to you and the rest of New York that might be watching. Your team sucks and it's overrated and it's just filled with a bunch of power hitters who, quite frankly, failed you in key moments, and your youngest and best player is probably about to leave you and probably run across town. The Queens get the money met or to the Dodgers, which would make all of us worse but Mad Max, your team sucks LT.
Speaker 3:How are you, sir? I'm blessed, I'm blessed.
Speaker 1:Can y'all hear me.
Speaker 3:Yes sir, yes sir, I'm blessed.
Speaker 2:Now, you just wrapped up your show. Now tell the people who you are, and a little bit about what you do and your involvement.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know who you are and you and I speak behind the scenes with some frequency now and have for some years now. But just tell the people who you are, where you're from, who you're involved with, what you're doing, what you got going on, how you've connected us to the Southern Soul Music Festival in Shelby, north Carolina, what it means for you, what it represents. Just go and get the ball rolling and get started for us this evening.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir. So just first and foremost, I appreciate y'all fellas it's good to finally speak to meet Sean as well and AG, of course. Like Coop said, I've already been locked in just a couple of years now and I've got an interesting story about my background as well. But first and foremost, again, for those that don't know me or those that do, I'm LT, lyrical Talent LT. I got that name because I do a lot of writing behind the scenes for a lot of aspiring artists pop, hip hop, gospel, all kinds of genres. So I just love music as well, as we know. And even when I met Coop, even when he was on his prior platform with his prior partner and everything down in Atlanta just a blessed first time physical event had a lot of my talent. I just I like to put artists in positions to win aspiring talent with these majors and major connections and just the interesting story about my background with Black Soprano family.
Speaker 3:Salute Benny the Butcher, the whole team, con Wes Gun, all of them man, and it's much, much more. It goes deeper, but it's just an interesting story. I want to start off with how I got with them a couple years back. I was doing interviews out here like I am at the radio station, and I saw Benny and I seen Fuego Bass and that's who I worked directly with. I seen him on the Sway in the morning. He did a killer freestyle. The whole team I think was him and Rick Hyde and all of them, whole Black Soprano family.
Speaker 2:Hold on LT, lt, lt. Real quick, not to cut you off, tell the people where you're located. Oh, little Rock.
Speaker 3:Arkansas yes, sir, out here in Arkansas at the radio station LR98.8, letting them know. But I'm just tapping in and that's why I say this story too, because just traveling I feel like I see, I watch the show frequently, I see Sean traveling a lot, you know, that's kind of how I was for sure, last year and years prior I was in New York like six times, seven times out the year Atlanta, multiple times, dallas, back and forth. I love New York, by the way, for sure, love it. I'm down south but I love New York. But I had a team, what I was mentioning, the way I got with Black Soprano Family start doing promotional work, merch promotion, marketing, advertisement behind the scenes and writing A&R as well, independent tour placement.
Speaker 3:I had an event in Atlanta and, um, I was just putting on talent again, aspiring talent, men, women, uh, groups, uh, a group I was dealing with that had members of all five barrels in New York, kind of one, you know, kind of unique of its kind. You don't see that, of course not today. Um, man, and it was a blessing. I just loved the new york coach. I love hip-hop, but I had an event and, um, I had fuego bass. I invited him, I did an interview with them on air, but I invited him to the event. He came through, rocked it. He did his thing at the time, and this was like two years ago, and he was just kind of getting known to the people.
Speaker 3:So at that same time, though, uh, benny's manager came in and popped up at the show, mr Harlem, um, that I've connected Coop with, and um, and previously as well, and in Atlanta at some things, but he popped up and he had exclusive single for my DJ to play. Shout out DJ Country 5, damalo, dj G-Code, and it was, uh, I think it was El Camino, and uh, benny at the time a single, and our DJ played it was fire. I met Harlem that at the time a single, and I DJ played it. It was fire. I met Harlem. That was the first time we had been communicating online, so he connected me with them, with the team, and all of that.
Speaker 3:I started working with Fuego Bass from there on out. At the same event, con Conway's, one of his executives, his manager, jay Ski's manager that I do a lot with he popped up too. So it was like both sides of the family. The BSF and the Drumwork Music Group brought them together at my event. Now this is an independent tour that I put on in Atlanta, right where Coop is at, and we linked up there. They looked at the talent I had and we just started connecting from there.
Speaker 3:So I did work. Fuego Bass I know he got the project now with OT the Real out currently that joint, and then Benny's joint with 38 Special. That joint Benny just came off a kind of a mini European run for that Summertime Butch. Him and Harlem just did that. That's doing well. Also on the drum work side, jay Skeez, he got that ground level out. I love the Genius, that Death of Deuce that's out right now. It's just a productive year. I don't think there's no other labels independently Moving like the family BSF and Drumwork. Multiple albums, multiple times. Conway this year too. Slantface Killer he just came off that tour. Butch three albums this year. 38, shade New Water, associate Family. So that's kind of how I got with BSF doing the marketing promotion and furthermore got events coming up as well.
Speaker 1:That's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 2:Now tell us about your project and what you have going on.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir. First let me preface my project with this I consider myself, I love the Lord, I'm a man of God, that's first and foremost, on everything, myself as the best writing A&R in the game is what I consider myself. A lot of people, of course, may not know or may have not heard my material. My executive produced material.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on, stop for a second. So you consider yourself to be an A&R?
Speaker 3:Independent A&R. I am yes, sir.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll talk about that some other time. I'm going to stick that in my pocket. Keep going.
Speaker 3:Well, of course, coop, you knew, you know, when we did the event together, that talent, that slew of talent that was there, that was all talent I brought, curated by myself, of course, for sure. I think I had like 10 artists, males, singers, females, groups, but yeah, so yeah, independent A&R work and that's dead. That's dead in these days and times. There's no development, there's no A&R, there's no sequencing. I hear y'all talk a lot and say about albums like man, they should have put that song there, they should have took that one off. See, that's what I do and I've been blessed to do that, and it's rare. It's rare now, for sure, coop, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm about to do that today with some of these albums today that we're about to cover as soon as you get off. Oh, right on time. But just furthermore, to keep it to the point, best Writing A&R and my project and I don't do projects, but Coop, as Coop knows, and he can vouch for this, and I love Coop's what's the word for?
Speaker 3:his is like the scale that he measures music by, and you all as well, when he was on his previous platform with his previous host. I love the way they you know Nas is number one. Basically he put Nas number one all time and then, you know, others fall under that. So that's a high bar. So this man, coop, will tell you. You know, he didn't know that I wrote music or wrote things behind the scenes until he heard my project and I actually got that clip on footage from the last platform. But he was just speaking about that and his co-host was too, about how the bars were and everything. So it's just growing up around music, growing up down south.
Speaker 3:I'm from North Carolina but I influenced. I love Nas, I love Bone, thugs-n-harmony, tupac was my favorite artist. So it's no bias, it's no down south bias, new York bias. For me I just like good music and I know how it sounds, I know how it's supposed to go. So the sequencing is very important. So this new project is called Spirit Versus Flesh. Coming in it's really by just popular demand, to be honest, and I'm humble about it.
Speaker 3:But it's a lot of people behind the scenes that say why don't you drop? Your writing is like this, why don't you go ahead and drop your project or drop a project? So I know people even in the chat Jack Lane, lp, miss LB, mad Max even I want y'all to check this project out. I know the guy Coop that y'all had on here or that you spoke to previously. I am God from Chicago. I got to collaborate with him. If he's watching, hit me up, y'all, connect me with him. But what I'm saying is that's the type of brother that motivates a certain person like me behind the scenes to push the pin, to elevate further.
Speaker 2:So real quick, lt. Actually I'll tell you what. I actually talked to I am God about two and a half three weeks ago. I actually talked to I Am God about two and a half three weeks ago. So I went to Minneapolis for my birthday.
Speaker 2:But my original plan was actually to go to try to go to Minneapolis and go to Chi because I wanted to pull up on I Am God and his crew, but I realized I was a little too late to try to plan anything to Chi. But I Am God and I are already having conversations about some things that he has going on and I don't want to like blow his spot up, but the plan is to try to pull up in the shot for the early part of next year. So maybe you and I can talk about that behind the scenes and about the pull up, because I plan on going up there. I'm going up there to see I am God and his crew, like at some point. Like the plan was to do it this year, but early next year is like a worst-case scenario, because I kind of wanted to align with what he has going on so that it benefits him.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir. No, I definitely want that connecting out. And just, you know what I mentioned about him. I know his project is highly regarded and I'm myself this project and I don't know if you guys have got the I dropped exclusively that first single spirit motion yesterday, on my birthday. Actually, you know what I it's like this, this, this project, the best I consider it. I call it God life, but gospel rap mixtape this year or best mixtape this year, I'll say that next Friday, november, the 8th, spirit vs Flesh, the sequencing, the production, the delivery, the feel of it, the mood of it, all the boxes. And I want those people in this chat and you all, let me know if that's true man. That's why I salute I Am God, because he's on that same wave, dropping classic quality material. So that's what it's about.
Speaker 2:So, speaking of God, I mean you know, you and I we don't always talk about music you and I have had conversations about you, know spirituality, biblical nature of things, God, Christianity. Like you, are a very big believer and devout follower, in my humble estimation, and so tell me what your path is like, being the believer that you are and the devout believer that I've known you to be, as in. I know you to follow strict regiments and you don't curse or any of those things LT. So I want to know what that life is like for you in a realm that some people consider to be the devil's playground, quite frankly, man, that's a very good question and a good thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I started about 10 years ago, been in this thing as far as on the backside of um, the organization tour set up things like that and um, I seen a lot of things. I seen a lot I've been around.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, I'll go ahead and name drop. It's not nothing bad about these people but really good things. Um work with TI's people, grand Hustle, future, his people, free Bands, a lot of down south artists Rich Homie Quan rest in peace, rest in heaven to him his team, his people, ot, genesis, a lot of people, man and even Mobb Deep. When they got back together for that they did like a reunion type of tour. A few years back in North Carolina came through. But I saw a lot of things. I saw a lot of things. I didn't know what I learned on the fly. I seen the ups, the downs. I seen how kind of things drugs, stuff that you never think people would do.
Speaker 3:I remember one story I'll say, man. It was like who was the major artist? I think it was Currency, currency, the Hot Spitter, styles P, actually Currency and Styles P, and it was some artists that opened up with them. They went on to get signed, but they, man, I didn't know how they get down, but they, you know, they said come on, lt. We went to like the next spot, next door, another club joint, after the performance and they just started, started, man, they had like a hundred dollar bill, pulled out something white I don't know what it was, man, maybe pills or something and crumbled it up, put it on the thing and everybody was snorting up. I was like whoa, they're like hey, you want, you want, I'm like, I'm good, you know. But that's what kind of opened my like man. I never knew. But then, from that point on, man, that was like 2013, 14.
Speaker 3:I just grew and I said, man, I know, I just I'm about my business, I'm about the business of this thing and not about the extracurricular. And you know, I was 22. I just turned 35, pretty, you know, decent age in it. But I just stay clean because I know what's greater than the physical. I know, like the project called Spirit Versus Flesh, every single day we're at war, whether you would care to agree or be aware of it, but you are. It's the good versus the bad, it's the evil versus righteous, it's the flesh versus the spirit at all times. So it's on us to decide which way we're going. So I stay in the you know deal in the industry entertainment. But they know what I'm about, even Black Soprano drum work. The whole family they know how I come. I send them the word of God every single day and they might get on TV, on you know the track, kill it and shoot it or whatever the case. But they respect me, you know. They respect the man I am and respect what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:I'm going to freeze, I'm mostly you know, know, into the look pretty much, I stay clean.
Speaker 2:Okay. So Lastly, I would say go ahead and tell us about this Southern Soul Music Festival that you. Bugged us into.
Speaker 3:Is that me?
Speaker 1:There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3:Okay yeah, that's how I stay clean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can you hear me LT? Yes, sir y'all hear me so we got to get you out of here in a second. But before you do, tell everybody about this festival that's going on in Shelby, north Carolina, tell them when, where, who's going to be there, how it got put together, and all that before we get you out of here, brother yes, sir.
Speaker 3:So basically, next coming up next Friday, saturday and Sunday, november 8th, 9th and 10th will be Shelby, north Carolina. That's actually my hometown. A lot of people when they meet me they always like man, you must be from LA or Atlanta or somewhere like a big major city. I'm not and I think that's why I am where I am now, because it gave me those little elements of the grind man to go harder than everybody to get up out of this gritty city. And you know, I just saw a lot of death, a lot of nonsense, a lot of people gone doing life right now currently that I've talked to and getting out in the Lord's name.
Speaker 3:But it's in Shelby, north Carolina, first one of its kind, the first annual. It's at the fairgrounds. That's thousands of people each day, about 20 to 30 vendors out there, food, merchandise and legends. On the show, young Bloods, eastside Boys that rock with Lil Jon, dj Kool, big Bub, man, chubb Rock, a few others Cut Close. On the next day, the LaVert Experience, just R&B, hip-hop, comedians and then myself. They got me out there, like I said, on the writing side and delivery, just presenting some God-like material. Best show of my life coming up for sure. November the 8th.
Speaker 2:No doubt All right, that sounds good. Man. Y'all got anything for LT before we get him out of here, fellas.
Speaker 1:Talk to me.
Speaker 4:Looking forward to pulling up. Man, just want to say thank you for coming on the show and respecting how you're moving out there. Man, you know what I mean, Because you're in the world but not of it. That's dope to see. You know what I mean You're in the world but not of it. You know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying. So that's dope, to see you know what I mean. Yeah, and I did check out your song Spirit Motion, appreciate it. It was. I was actually listening to it on the plane. I love it. I was listening to it on the plane this morning when we were coming back and it really put me at ease. I think I listened to that some four or five times in a row.
Speaker 1:Love for messaging. You need that. You know what I mean. You know when we work. You know day to day and you know I don't want to go too deep with that right now but you consume so much as you are taking in different things, right, especially when you're when you're conversing with different people. You know you'll come around different people, you're taking different energies and sometimes you need to decompress and just having the opportunity to listen to that. You know to that joint, as I was, you know, flying back over to the East Coast. I needed it. I didn't know I needed it. It keeps in at the right time. You know what I mean At the right time. I was just bored and I was listening to it on my flight. So I appreciate that. I appreciate the message. I think it's a dope record. I feel like it's a dope record. Can you please tell the chat where they can find your music?
Speaker 3:Man, that's first and foremost Sean. That means a lot to me because that's the word I was looking for. I know your standards. Like I said, I love Coop standards, I love AG standards. Your standard is high. Like you say, Nod, Everybody here agree, Nod is number one. So you telling me I'm cool, I'm an A&R, If you telling me my thing was great, you know, and it helped you, that's a good company to be in, you know. So no, where they can find that, I dropped that one exclusively just on bandcountcom, for now bandcountcom just to kind of feed like a little appetizer before all the DSPs and everything next Friday. But if you like that project, check it out y'all. Spiritmotion on BandCampcom, If you like that, Sean, then you'll love the project, is going to blow you away. It's like I say God life, Yahweh first. But it's not preachy because I come from that.
Speaker 3:I come from so you see, I come from the block and all of that. I come from the trap houses. I come from the block and all of that, I come from the trap houses, I come. So it's not far removed, but it's like I'm talking to you as my brother. I'm talking how. Jay used to talk. How I felt when Jay used to talk. So I want to hold y'all up. Fellas, that spirit versus flesh. Number one. It's going to be gospel or rap man mixtape for the rest of the year.
Speaker 4:So sure I want y'all to grade that, no doubt, no doubt, for real. Keep doing your thing, man, and don't let them put you in a box. Man, you know what I'm saying, like sure you know. You out here doing the hip hop. You know what I'm saying. You just giving it from a different perspective, so you know what I'm saying. Don't let them put you in a box no doubt, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 1:See you next week.
Speaker 3:Shelby Drumwork Music Group Out.
Speaker 2:Bless you as well, bro, peace, peace. You know what it is, sir Alright.
Speaker 2:That was dope yeah shout out to LT man LT's one of those people that the man that he is makes the personal relationship more important than the business relationship. No doubt, no doubt I don't know how I like this. Does people get what I'm saying when I'm saying that it's like I'm more concerned about keeping my personal relationship with him intact than our business endeavors Absolutely Like about about the things that he with him intact than our business endeavors Absolutely Like about about the things that he affirms and aspires to be. Good brother it is. We're going to get to a couple of super chats and then we need to like kind of start getting some of this business taken care of. Cj, the kid with the five, out of super chat. What up? Cj Just got here. How was everything? How was everyone? What did I miss? Also, sean, you better play biscuits First of all, sean. Sean gonna get some gravy slapped on him.
Speaker 1:if he play biscuits, okay, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2:Don't slap him with the gravy.
Speaker 4:You two for two. The last couple shows, bro, that's a great shout-out.
Speaker 2:CJ shout out to you brother, we don't have time for your dirty minds. Today, cj the Kid once again with the $10 Super Chat. I asked Sean two questions for Coop and AG. What's the first thing you think when you hear the word lyrically, and what are qualifications for being in a big three in hip-hop? I don't believe hip-hop has big threes and I guess immediately my barometer. For when I think of lyrical I guess I always at my core, go to Rakim because I feel he's the one that changed everything lyrically. When I think lyrically, I go to Rakim first as just a reflex reaction. I don't believe in big threes. I barely believe in Mount Rushmore at this point. I live in Atlanta. I live in atlanta. Like hip-hop is so big now that, like, atlanta's top 20 list of mcs is like an impressive ass list. You know what I'm saying. It wasn't like that 20, 25 years ago. So I don't know if I believe in big threes. Ag, what about you?
Speaker 4:uh, I think I answered this question in the discord. But just to make it brief, um, when I think of lyricism, you know, I think it's a whole lot of different facets. You know it's, um, you know rhyme schemes, structure, um, you know storytelling ability, concepts, uh, metaphors, entendres. It's a whole lot of different facets. If we're breaking down all the aspects of lyricism, I go to different MCs for different aspects of all-encompassing lyricism. Jay is super lyrical, differently than Nas is super lyrical, if that makes sense. But I go to them for different things. You know what I mean. But as far as big threes, uh, I see what you're saying, coop, but it's a good. It makes a fun talking point. You know who's your top five that are alive, who's your big three, who's your mount rushmore, these are all talking points that you know. Just quick list that you can name off in it and it and it gives ammo to all the talking heads.
Speaker 4:But to be in a big, I think it takes more than just lyricism. It's a lot of fanfare involved. You know what I mean. Who has the biggest fan bases behind them? Because it's not about who's the most lyrical, because you can look at the modern era big three I mean, drake is a lot of guys that's more lyrical than Drake, but he commands so much fanfare that he's automatically put in that position. That's no shade against Drake, but it's just kind of what it is. It's a lot of different connotations that come into play when you're part of an elite group. We'll just say that more than just your lyrical ability.
Speaker 2:With that said, I think it's time we slide into some of the new albums that have come out recently. Where do you want to start, tyler? A good place to start. Yeah, chromacopia, chromacopia, chromacopia, like cornucopia, but on chrome.
Speaker 1:Right Chromacopia, but on the Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put this, but on Chrome.
Speaker 1:Right, but on Dubs Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put this literary device on Dubs. Got it Okay? So fellas Tyler's um Tyler for me is like a figure who represents the extension of what's happened with modern day hip hop, like he is what happens when Kanye and Nerd and Cudi become successful off of what Tribe and Daylight created Fair, yes. So what do you think of this album, ag? I'll start with you, please, please start with AG. Yeah, I've seen how you rolled your eyes. We weren't starting with your ass anyway. I've seen that you don't even want to talk about this album.
Speaker 4:Alright, so out the gate, I'll preface it that I like the album and you know I'm not jumping out the window and say it was album of the year or anything like that. I just, you know, I didn't go into this album with any expectations and I'll be fully transparent, I didn't even have any intentions of listening to it. I was just gonna take everybody else's word for it because you know they were in our discord group. You know a lot of people were cooking it. Then I heard people praising it, um, so it was real polarizing. But my son, son kept telling me you know, tap into the album, tap into the album. And then that kind of intrigued me, because my son is not a Tyler fan at all. He doesn't even like Tyler, but he was like yo, this album is good. So I listened to it on Tuesday night and this is what I'll say I went into you know, call Me If you Get Lost got a lot of hoopla and I checked that out and I wasn't really. I wasn't really a big fan of that. But what I'll say about I actually like this album better. I actually like this album better and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4:Sonically, I think this is a good album. I can see the Neptunes, the NERD influence, all that stuff. But what I'll say about Sean laughing, what I'll say about it is that you know, I'm not going to tyler for the bars or anything. But when we set expectations for, like somebody who's our favorite or you know somebody who we like, if they go far left, then it throws you all the way off. But when you listen to an artist and you don't have any expectations and they overhear far left, it can kind of be a little bit refreshing because it's something that you're not used to. So this is not my normal wheelhouse and this is what I'll you know. Let's take the Eminem example for Eminem album for example, hold on AG.
Speaker 2:I want to stop you for a second because you said something and I feel like it's important to what this album is. You brought up how this album is nerd-like in terms of the fact that, well, you're really not going there for the bars, you're going there because the boundary's being pushed a little bit.
Speaker 4:Right the artistic boundaries.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, the artistic boundary's being pushed on this album. Don't you feel the artistic boundary being pushed on this album?
Speaker 4:I do and what I was getting ready to say was, like the Eminem album, I can see both sides of it. I enjoyed the Eminem Coupe de Grasse Death of Slim Shady, but if somebody told me they hated it, I could see why. If somebody tells me they hate this Tyler album, I can see why, but I enjoyed it. On the other hand, the song Darling Eye, hey Jane, where he talked from a female perspective, them joints was dope. Sticky was dope. I didn't like the doachy feature, though. One thing I always admired about Tyler he's always been pretty conceptual and very, very thematic and he does always push the envelope. But this album is crazy. But and this I might be dating myself a lot you know what I'm saying on this Because a lot of you know what I'm saying. A lot of people in the chat might not even be up on this, but I'm not comparing these as albums.
Speaker 4:But the feeling I got when I listened to this album was when I was like a teenager going back in time. I remember it was a lot of people saying that you know cool keith and ultra magnetic mcs and stuff. You know critical beatdown was a classic album and I was doing my due diligence and I was like listening to it and I was like what the hell is this Like? You know what I mean. It was just so far left of what I was used to. I wasn't really feeling it at the time, but as I got older and listened to it I was like yo, this is some next level, like it was ahead of its time. It's some like dope stuff, you know.
Speaker 4:So I think this Tyler album is very much like that in that vein. It's not in my normal wheelhouse, but for what I listened to. I only ran through it one and a half times but I thoroughly enjoyed it, you know, and I think it'll get Grammys and stuff like that, just because it pleases the artsy crowd. He has a song that's for the all-inclusive crowd, the Take your Mask Off. But forget all that stuff, right? I think it's an enjoyable listening. You know what I'm saying. From the back half of the album is a little bit weaker, but I think it's an enjoyable listen. I won't go back to it that much because, like I said, it's not my normal wheelhouse, but for playing it. I mess with that.
Speaker 2:Sean AG took all your talking time. Try to sum your shit up in 60 seconds.
Speaker 1:I need 30. I start with love. I can appreciate, I can appreciate art. I can appreciate all of that stuff, as you mentioned. I can appreciate that. I do love Judge Judy. I love Nod. I like Rob Tata. I love Tomorrow. I'm not crazy over it. I'm not going to be a prisoner of the moment. I asked AJ this question probably next Friday, when the last time we heard the album I like the Glorilla Coop said Glorilla is a five-mic album.
Speaker 2:That's not what I said. Stick to the topic and get to 60 seconds so we can go somewhere. I'm sorry, coop, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:But the topic and get to 60 seconds so we can go somewhere I'm sorry I'm sorry, um, but you did say four and a half um here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1:Guys, I listened to it. I thought something was wrong with me, because people was going crazy over this album, saying it's the album of the year, saying it's the album of the year, contender people jumping out the window saying how great it is. It's okay, I won't go back to this album. I'll be completely honest. I might be on the other side of the fence with that. I can appreciate, tyler, but this is not my speed. I'm not going to front.
Speaker 4:And that's okay.
Speaker 3:It is okay.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to jump in briefly, ag. I'm not going to take as long as you. I'm going to take a little bit longer than Sean, because I actually care about this album.
Speaker 2:I care about this album. What I would tell you is that so let's look at the genealogy right quick, and I kind of brought that up. It's like well, his genealogy, like, artistically speaking, is De La Soul on Balloon Mindstate, a Tribe Called Quest on People's Instinctive Outkast on Stankonia, you know what I'm saying the Roots on Phrenology Nerd on their two projects, you know what I'm saying. This is kind of like the lineage and the tree that he's off of. So what I will tell you, ag, is that I really am a big fan of Call Me If you Get Lost, me if you get lost, because I feel like it's his balancing act of his creative and artistic boundary-breaking genius and his hip-hop sensibilities. So in that sense it is his equimini, if that makes sense. I'm not saying it's the equimini, I'm saying my bad.
Speaker 2:My bad.
Speaker 1:I want to be disrespectful, because that's why I'm laughing. We know, we know.
Speaker 2:So Call Me If you Get Lost is kind of his equipment. It's where he blends his weird and his funky with his hip-hop sensibilities and everybody kind of agrees in the middle. This would be more like his Stankonia. It's not as good, but he's pushing the boundaries more and some of the results are startling, like when I listen to hey Jane. Do you understand if Kendrick or Nas make hey Jane like their legions of fans are just going to go into a whole goat talk about like this is one of those songs about why they're the greatest MC of all time. But because Tyler does hey Jane, we're just like well, it's creatively genius because we don't look at Tyler lyrically the way we look at a Nas or a Black Thought or a Kendrick. But if Kendrick does hey Jane? Because here's some of my takeaway from this album and this is why I bring Kendrick up and I know people think I have a Kendrick issue and I'm not saying this to be funny.
Speaker 2:This album in a lot of ways Sean and AG is written like a play, except for this play is way more fucking entertaining than Mr Morale and the Mid-Steppers. It's way more fucking entertaining. Imagine if my auntie as a man is hey Jane, and Kendrick is actually spitting bars from the perspective of a woman that's in a relationship with the rapper in her mid thirties, getting pregnant, you know what I'm saying. Like, imagine, if Kendrick is spitting those bars, how people would be responding to it, because it would be trending all over our hip hop world and internet right now. Kendrick did it, but because it's Tyler, we're like it's creatively nuanced and fairly brilliant and it's like no, that's a song of the year contender.
Speaker 4:Tyler has a lot of these songs throughout his catalog, though.
Speaker 2:He does.
Speaker 4:He's very conceptual.
Speaker 2:He is, and so, although I don't think this album is necessarily going to fall, in the house.
Speaker 4:I can't deal with Sean.
Speaker 2:Sean, can you just block yourself out for the second?
Speaker 1:Go, go go go, go, do it Please yeah.
Speaker 2:Go do some clean shit, go get the money. Go do some clean shit, go get the money. Right, but what I will say is he's awful. But what I will say is is that this album isn't going to win any album of the years, but it might win some awards because of where Tyler is elevated to, and I think it is going to be one of the 20 best rap albums released this year and possibly top 10.
Speaker 4:I don't think it's towards the top, but you know it's one of the. I don't know. There's a lot of projects this year that I put over it.
Speaker 2:So he gets points for doing stuff that other people's not doing. Creatively, conceptually and technically. You get what I'm saying Like there has to be space for that, like like on the stage still, and so it's not what you would call your typical rap album, but it's an album that deserves some respect and some place in this space, and he is pushing the boundary and the soundscapes that he's using and conceptually he is taking it there, which is something us, as traditional hip hop heads, have always said. That's something that we like and like to rely on from our artists.
Speaker 2:We spent way too much time talking about this album. I'm glad that you're back, sean. I hope you have something. I hope you have something to say. No, we, sean, I hope you have something to say no, we're not talking about, we're not talking. We're not talking about Tyler anymore, with Sean around. Sean is a player hater. We're going to talk about Lloyd Banks' Halloween Havoc that just got released. Sean, we're going to start with you, since you decided to take a chronic break on Halloween because you don't like Tyler's conceptual genius.
Speaker 1:Your turn.
Speaker 2:This is Halloween Havoc 5, right? Halloween Havoc 5?.
Speaker 1:It is Cool. We got Mad Super Chats. You want to get them first.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh, it's just Mad Max. Oh God, these don't count. I told you guys, these don't count. Oh, it's just Mad Max. Oh God, these don't count. I told you guys, these don't count.
Speaker 4:Mad Max been the bread, though we got to put respect on that.
Speaker 2:CJ the Kid with the $5 Super Chat. I need to settle something with the Discord chat. Who was more lyrically in the early 90s? Pac or Snoop Put that up in the Discord chat. We'll get to that later. We'll be here all night if we do that. Cj the kid with the five dollar super chat. I asked, as people said, the early 90s bop big was big, three was pop, nas and big. When I asked if snoop was ever considered, they said no, which I thought was nuts. Um, pop big and nas's comeuppance is post the chronic and doggy style. So that's why some of that is shaped that way. Snoop has actually looked as more of a transitional figure than I think, like somebody who really like was considered to be part of that era. That was actually snoop's low time was like 94 to 98 it's almost like kanye right before drake, kendrick and cole's rise.
Speaker 2:Correct. I think that's a great comparison. Ag, great analysis. Mad Max with the $9.99 Super Chat. Tyler Alvin is trash, so are your. Takes Mad Max First off. He bit Travis from the title. What the hell is Chromatopia? I don't know what the hell Chromatopia is. I just told you I thought it was a play on cornucopia nigga. Are you watching the show?
Speaker 4:Travis did have Utopia. I didn't even do the knowledge, oh man.
Speaker 2:The whole album was pop music with vinyl trash in my ears Sound like Bizarro. Mr Mid, Look here. Everything can't be a boom, bap, bap, rock DJ premiere album.
Speaker 1:Bizarro Mrucking. That is crazy, that's hilarious for real.
Speaker 2:Go play Into the 36 Chambers and shut the hell up. Mad Max. Okay, let's go play your boom bap, bap rap. Mad Max Coop, I know you ain't say Tyler's genealogy is De La Soul Tribe called Quest Outcast? It is no, it's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I said it, I Outcast.
Speaker 2:It is no, it's not. Yeah, I said it.
Speaker 1:I said it it's not Sean.
Speaker 2:go ahead and jump back off the screen, man. It's not you had your turn to speak on this subject. You declined. Come on bro, this guy, tyler, is a.
Speaker 4:No hold on. Let's hold it right there. Coop, I'm glad you made the joke about he need to turn on 36 chambers In real time. We talk about something being far left In real time. It was a contingent of rap fans that thought Wu-Tang was weird as hell with the Kung Fu flicks and stuff.
Speaker 2:Let's not get it twisted. Wu-tang's street cred wasn't intact until the Purple Tape. They were around for almost three years before that happened. They were more known for the Kung Fu shit and for the rhyme schemes than they were for having their street credentials. Just so we're clear and not saying they wasn't respected in the streets or anything like that. But as far as like creatively speaking is where Wu Tang won. They won with the acronyms, they won with the lyricism, they won with the Kung Fu flicks, they won with the abstract thought process, the comic book stuff.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of people that thought that was weird in 93, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, iron man. Iron man in 95? Think about this Marvel ain't making fucking movies like that in 95.
Speaker 1:Iron man was 96.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying the name Tony Starks, iron man, Purple Tape. That's when they birthed all those names.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying but I was right there with them. If they was weird, I was a weirdo.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. If they was weird, I was the weirdest.
Speaker 1:I didn't care, I was all with it.
Speaker 2:Yep, for sure, I just thought that was an interesting comparison. All right back to Halloween Havoc, though. Sean thoughts on Halloween Havoc 5 by Lloyd Banks.
Speaker 1:Dope album. I enjoyed it. We know Banks can rap. That's not a question here, right?
Speaker 3:That's not a question here.
Speaker 1:I think the sonics were pretty solid. Only thing, only critique. Again, I start with love. I love Lloyd Banks. I think that he's one of the dopest out there. Lloyd should have been on the same level as, like, a fabulous tier. He should have been that fabulous in that Jada tier at one point, because when he first came through he was the punch king master. He was the one that was giving you the punch bars. But he was more of a specialist on that G-unit roster, because you had 50.
Speaker 1:Who was the song writer? He was the one that could give you the hooks, give you the concept, give you the structure. And you had someone like you know, um, uh, what's his name? Your, your homeboy met him earlier this week AG, um, young buck. Young buck was a dope rapper as well in that group. But Lloyd brought that, that rap in your rap. He brought that punchline, he brought the bars, he brought all of that and I always felt that he was a complimentary piece to the G unit banner. Right, he was that piece that you needed.
Speaker 1:Here's what I wish, and again I start with love. Here's what I wish, and again I start with love. Here's what I wish that Lloyd would do an album with just him can become a little bit this. It doesn't have this, it doesn't have that spike or anything. It has this and that's dope. This is dope. I think that he needs a compliment. I think he needs, like you know, benny got 38 special. I thought that pairing balances both of them out Right. You know you got some artists out there that need collaborators across the board. West Side Gun Can you listen to an entire West Side project, 12 joints, 13, 14 joints with just Westside? Right, he needs a stove, god, in there somewhere. He needs a Conway somewhere in there. He needs something to help spice up the gumbo. And I feel the same way with Banks Banks going to bar you up.
Speaker 1:And in this day and age there's so much music coming out and there's a lot of albums coming. A lot of music is being released right now. A lot of music. I want to hear something. I want to hear a different tone. I want something to change the pace a little bit. Maybe the second or third song will change the pace, because the beats are very much in the same vein as well. Again, it's dope, it's dope, but I want to hear something that's going to spike the temperature a little bit higher or bring it down a little bit more or give me a different variety. So I say a lot to say this. It's a dope album. Um, I think that you know my call outs for the album is more so around.
Speaker 4:Just, we know what he can do and he did it, he delivered, that's, that's it ag I agree and disagree with sean's points, but I think you nailed the point about him needing somebody you know to romp along with. That's what made the G-Unit day so special, you know what I mean. Because it gave a contrast, because when he came in with his bar work, in contrast to what 50 and Yale and Buck was doing, then it stood out more. Now, like you said, it's two, even kill, and I actually like the production on this Halloween Havoc more than Halloween Havoc 4, but Banks over a whole project, yeah, this production is better, but Banks' tone is too monotone over a entire project for a solo album. You know, and that's where I would disagree with you because although he has the lines like Fabulous and Jadakiss, they are more charismatic, they have better rap voices and they're more versatile.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I said based on the height and based on everything around him. He should have been in that pantheon with them.
Speaker 4:You're saying that's his ceiling, that was his ceiling.
Speaker 1:OK, I got you.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with that ceiling. At that time you think it's lower. That was okay, I got you. I don't. I don't agree with that ceiling at that lower.
Speaker 4:I never. I'm gonna let you finish ag, but I was never a believer. That was pretty much summed up my thoughts. I actually like the production more on this one but, like I said, I can't see it staying in rotation much because it's um, it'll get bland pretty quickly if if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:I think okay. So to me, lloyd Bank sometimes is too typical New York. I don't know what Atlanta rapper or Southern rapper you would tap with that phrase. Atlanta rapper or southern rapper you would tap with that phrase like but it's almost like I can see why people in his region fuck with him tough, because I know what people in his region are looking for. Well, he's from south side Jamaica Queens bars. You know what I'm saying. And so, as far as feeding a base goes, I think he does an excellent job of that. What I think he struggles at Is feeding outside of that base and living up to the expectations that exist inside of that base.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to explain this to you Because I, like the both of you, actually think this project is pretty damn good. But both of you are very, very right it is too much of him. And you want to know what I actually thought about today. And this is kind of a compliment, but this is also what comes with the compliment, and I'm going to get to the back end of it when I listen to this album today. This album is good enough that him, as a Queens representative and native, I can say confidently that I don't know if there's another rapper that's come out of Queens that represents the style and the sound that Mobb Deep embodied more than Lloyd Banks does as far as representing Queens and representing that hardcore East Coast sound, that boom bap, kick drum aesthetic, which is actually also like a product of Q-Tip via Havoc. You know what I'm saying? That's all Queen shit. Like he's an embodiment of that, but because he doesn't reach those levels musically in terms of quality, he doesn't have Prodigy's bone-chilling voice.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 2:I find myself thinking today when I listen to this project this is actually what Prodigy's projects sound like if he doesn't have the voice that he has, that bone-chilling, cold, kind of slow, sluggard, staggered kind of voice, that kind of like grips you in the voice is kind of chilling. Banks's biggest problem is that his voice isn't chilling. His delivery is fine, his bars are fine, his songs are fine. What he represents for where he's from, it's fine. But what he represents as somebody that's a Queens native, in relationship to what Mob Deeps represent, like Murder Music, is Mob Deeps' third best album right? Yeah, yes, how many of these songs would make murder music? Zero, zero. That's the problem with banks. Is sealing, because this is a dope project. That's the problem with his ceiling. That's why when y'all say, well, I think he could be, or when you're saying, shauna, he could be in like that fab territory, it's like, oh then oh then no, okay.
Speaker 2:So I think that's more okay. So this is no disrespect. Banks back then to me is more about the genius that is 50 than it is about Banks, because it's like AG pointed out well, when you got the Southern Street rapper, the East Coast Street rapper and you got the hook master, the guy with the bars is going to stand out because none of those guys are thinking of the similar similes and the metaphors and the punchlines that that guy's thinking of. It highlights what he does. It's kind of like it's like this how about this? You remember Vinny the microwave? Johnson for the Detroit Pistons? Of course, oh, yeah, the microwave, come off the bench right quick and get you about 16, 17 points in about. Of course, technically, for what you would call a new york rapper to be, is actually a better rapper than 50. You feel me? Banks technically is a better rapper than 50, but 50 is the man. Why does buck's album sound so much better than banks album? That's because all those bars and all those punch lines a great album don't make, and so some of it's smoke and mirrors. And although this is one of his best projects to me and ag I agree with you it's actually way better than Halloween 4, because the bars are online with Halloween Havoc 4, but the production is better. Here's what really needs to happen. He already had a formula that worked and this is why I bring up Mobb Deep. I say this respectfully about Mobb Deep.
Speaker 2:Think about some of Mobb Deep's best songs and some of their biggest moments I 4 and I, raekwon and Nas, right Back at you. Ghost and Raekwon Drink Away the Pain. Q-tip Extortion Method. Man Give it Up Fast. Noid and Nas Nighttime Vultures. Raekwon Give Up the Goods. Noid the Learning, with Vito on the hook and Noid on the verse. Some of their best stuff is collaborative because they needed it to break up the monotony that came with the subject matter that they talked about. These beats are not as good as Havoc's beats and Lloyd Banks is dope as he is he's p on the mic. So these albums, although they're dope, whereas Mobb Deep only need about three to five features to make their albums great, banks needs about double that. So if he's doing a 14-track album, it actually needs to have about seven features on it.
Speaker 4:He made a volume two.
Speaker 2:No seven out of the 14 is in volume two. It's more like a murder music. That's why I bought up murder music. It's like no think about how murder music went. It's like they got Street Raze me, that's just them. They got Quiet Storm, that's Prodigy's solo. But they also got how you Want it with Cormega. They got the joint with 8-Ball. They got the joint with Ray no-transcript, your Conway feature, your I Am God feature. Call I Am God.
Speaker 1:I got to push back on that.
Speaker 2:I disagree Of course you do, queens get the money. Of course you do Queens get the money.
Speaker 1:I get where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree, because you're talking about comparing Lloyd to a high caliber group in Mob Deep. You're talking about production. That goes into that. You're talking about conception. That goes into that.
Speaker 2:Same borough, same sound, same borough, same sound same style Trilogy was more unorthodox.
Speaker 1:He was purposely unorthodox he was. If you think about Lloyd, lloyd was purposely punchlining. Every boy that Lloyd had was a set up to the next he was a punch bar king. That wasn't Prodigy's goal. Can I interject something?
Speaker 2:Can I interject something? I think, because of how Prodigy's voice is designed and how thick and heavy his New York draw is, I don't think vocally he had the ability to be a punchline king, which is why he adopted his unorthodox style. I think that had to do, vocally, with what he could do. Like. Prodigy cannot pierce the microphone the way a Nas, a Cool G rap, a Black Thought or a Rakim can, and so he has to approach it differently because vocally he cannot pierce through it the way that they can, and so I think that is more of a vocal thing. So you're kind of born and this is where this is why the voice is so important You're born with what you're born with.
Speaker 2:Banks does that with his voice because he can pierce through it with his voice. It's his advantage for having that type of voice. He just doesn't have that type of voice that draws you in like a prodigy. He doesn't have that unorthodox style that makes you go wow when he makes it fit and you're wondering how he's going to make it fit like a prodigy. But that's intentional by prodigy, based on the fact that he doesn't have a rap voice like the contemporaries that he rapped around. Even Havoc has a more piercing, straight to the point, punch line type of voice than P.
Speaker 4:I think both of y'all are making it more complicated than what it's got to be. This kind of goes to my point where CJ the Kid was asking about lyricism. It takes more than being lyrical to be interjecting into big three conversations, or what have you? Everybody that? We just compared Banks to the Jadakiss, the Fabulous and Prodigy. They have more so of an it factor than Banks. Banks had an it factor when he was standing beside 50. You take Banks away from 50 and have him stand by himself, that it factor is completely gone he's a compliment.
Speaker 2:He's a complimentary MC you're saying he's like um, he's a, he's a Billy Owens, he's a Draymond Green.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna put him in that category. That's a deep cut. Pull Billy Owens man. Billy Owens used to be that guy. You know a lot of people wouldn't reference Billy Owens. I respect that group.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna put, a lot of people wouldn't reference.
Speaker 1:Billy Owens, I respect that Coop.
Speaker 2:Billy Owens is tough, I won't put him in that category. I won't put him in that category. Is he Clay to?
Speaker 4:a Steph. I think he's more DeMar DeRozan. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Just going to keep giving you the midi. Can you separate MOP?
Speaker 4:What do you mean separate?
Speaker 1:Can you listen to MOP separately? Can you split them down the middle and say okay?
Speaker 4:Oh, like as a solo, like Billy Dan. No, that's how you have to kind of.
Speaker 2:I would know them separately. If you're asking what I know, you would know them separately. Yeah, I would know them separately. If you're asking what I know, you would know them separately, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would know them vocally separately. They complement each other. They're symbiotic, right, correct. And you think about with Banks 50, that relationship was symbiotic at that time because he was at a high clip under 50s tutelage, because 50 knew how to direct traffic with all of them, especially him.
Speaker 4:But I think you know, not for nothing. I think the chemistry between Banks and Yeo was better than Banks and 50, because I've heard tracks with just Banks and Yeo.
Speaker 1:I agree, because Yeo was not a lyrical monster, yeo was just energy.
Speaker 4:Yeo brought the energy and Banks' low vibrational level energy. He needed Yayo to balance that out and shout out to Havoc.
Speaker 1:But imagine if Havoc was a lyrical monster alongside Prodigy hey look here I played more Triflight the day off.
Speaker 2:Hell on Earth. 2 man Havoc is underrated. As an MP, I hate to say this, and we you know what I'm saying probably got life today off.
Speaker 4:Hell on Earth 2? Man Havoc is underrated as an M2. Havoc caught, I hate to say this and we you know what I'm saying probably got moved on. But Havoc, let's be real. Havoc caught. Prodigy on Infamy, prodigy spent all those years ahead.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't catch it. He's better than Prodigy on Infamy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Prodigy spent all those years ahead and then, when Infamy came, like it was game over.
Speaker 2:How about this? As far as, like the guy that you would put in second out of the duos, I put Havoc only second to Big Boy. I actually have Havoc ahead, of Fife, that's right as far as like that second guy in a duo, it's like.
Speaker 2:Big Boy is the best, like you know. B to the A player in the group that she would say Big Boy would be number one but Havoc would be number two. To me Like over Plug 2 from De La and over Phife from Tribe, over Paris from EPMD, over Malik. B from the Roots.
Speaker 4:Yeah, big Pooh and Little Brother, yeah, I mean yeah, fonte.
Speaker 2:Yeah, havoc at his moments.
Speaker 1:Havoc at his moments. Yeah, man, he had his moments. It's just that when they had the anthem moments, that's when P rose to the top. You know what it is? Havoc on the hooks? It's the P rolls to the top.
Speaker 2:You know what it is Havoc on the hooks. It's the voice on the hooks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, havoc does a lot of hooks.
Speaker 2:They die. Survival is the fit. Only the strong survive. That's Havoc. That's Havoc.
Speaker 4:He was the blunt force. I mean he's on the setup. I mean, yeah, he's on the setup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give up the goods Part. I mean, yeah, he's on the setup. Yeah, give up the goods Part. The love QBC yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, have did a lot of the hook work. That was a dope little sidebar.
Speaker 1:Ain't no lie, no, for real. We got mad super chats, cool.
Speaker 2:All right, we're going to get to the super chats. And then we got to slide to the next album. We got to slide to the next topic too. Mad Max, once again, hold on hold on. No, no, no, no, no, thank God, oh, no, no.
Speaker 4:Oh God, oh man, Mad Max with the $9.99 Super Chat.
Speaker 2:Tyler raps like he got to stick up his bum bum.
Speaker 4:Paul Up his bum bum. Tyler would actually put that in a bar. Which that's crazy.
Speaker 2:First of all, niggas you know, we gotta get a human resources department.
Speaker 1:He would say that Will Smith Smith's son put it in my bum bum.
Speaker 2:Stop it, he's whack. Talking about expanding soundscapes. He literally just mixed mad sounds that were already hot together. Anderson Paak type. Wow, mad Max, once again with the hate. Our man with the $5 super chat. Peace. Shout out to Big Noir for dropping a verse of the year. Contender with guest feature on Team Infamous with Alchemist and Big Twins. Okay, need to check that out. Mad Max Banks a non-talented Big L punchline and not else. L has a better voice. He's a lot like big L and L is a better rapper. Mad Max 999 super chat. Nobody cares about skillset. We care how well you utilize your particular skillset to make great songs, and a great hip hop song is a hot beat. Great voice, flow, slash, style, bars, concepts, content. Mad Max is called commas. I need you to use commas. I need you to use the English language the way that it's meant to be used. Put some commas in there sometime. It won't cost you a thing. It might cost you a thing.
Speaker 4:He literally super chatted. It is costing him.
Speaker 2:It is actually costing him my bad. Mad Max Banks has a weak voice. Banks has a weak voice and boring style Feature rapper at best. He's not a soloist, he's Jamal Crawford, whoa.
Speaker 4:I think, my DeMar DeRozan comparison was better.
Speaker 2:I was about to say how about this? If y'all had a game and y'all were on the black top, y'all taking Crawford. Or y'all were on the blacktop, y'all taking Crawford, or y'all taking DeRozan, because I'm taking Crawford, I'm taking Crawford. I'm taking Crawford and when you take DeRozan, I'm going to look at you. I'm taking 40 plus year old Jay Crawford to be honest, I'm going to laugh at you a little bit and be like, oh, you took him over here absolutely just like this and be like oh, you took him over here.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, I'm going to look at you. Just like this and be like okay.
Speaker 4:Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You do that All right. Next album Chain Noir guys. Yeah Little. What is this? What is it called Lotus?
Speaker 4:The Lotus Child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lotus Child, the Lotus Child. Yeah, what did you think about the Lotus Child you?
Speaker 4:mind if I start off. You mind?
Speaker 2:if I start off this one, Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I really enjoyed this project. I did. There is something about listening to her rap. It feels like you were listening to rap in its pure form and I think why it is difficult at times for men to listen to women rap is because I think sometimes men don't feel like a lot of the women who rap embody some of the elements of hip hop that attract the men to hip hop. I think she covers those bases. I was very, very impressed with her choice of production on this album. To give you an example, I think this project lyrically is just as strong as Death Reduce with Love the Genius. I actually prefer Love's voice to Che's voice. I always found Che to be the superior lyricist. I think Love has caught up to her as a lyricist. Some some.
Speaker 2:But conceptually, song-wise, beat selection-wise, che is phenomenal and people just need to start saying it she is. Every time I listen to her projects, I find myself engulfed in her world, and that is really the fucking job of a musical artist. At the end of the day, Whether you are a rapper, a singer, you play the fucking flute, andre, whether you play the violin.
Speaker 2:ATL stand up no no, no, don't do that. You don't get to do that. You don't get to do that when the Yankees lost. Don't do that. Don't do that. I apologize. Tell your team to get through the fifth inning.
Speaker 2:You can play the banjo for all I care, but what she embodies when she raps is a lot of the things that made us fall in love with hip hop guys, and so when I listen to an album like this, I feel like I'm listening to a project that just needs to be more recognized, more recognized for the songs, more recognized for the artists, more recognized for how she put it together, because what I feel like she's improved. I don't know if this album is better than Food for Thought, but I said to myself if I'm getting up this year just as far as her female rap contemporaries, if you're telling me that I have to listen to Love's album or Dolce's album or Rhapsody's album or Che's album, I'm not saying it's the best one, I'm saying it's the one that I most likely probably need to listen to. Do you understand? Sometimes you know that you're not listening to the rap album of the year, but it's the album that you listen to the most. I'm pretty certain I listen to Liquid Swords more than I listen to the Infamous and the Purple Tape, although I consider those albums to be better Not better by much, but better. But I listen to Liquid Swords more. Listen to Do or Die a lot that year, you know what I'm saying. And so I'm listening to the Che album and I'm like, nah, I'm going to listen to this more than I'm going to listen to the Love album, more than I'm going to listen to the Do Che album, and even more than I'm going to listen to the Rhapsody album, because it has a lot of the qualities of Rhapsody's album and I feel like she's rapping at a higher level than Rhapsody and does better beat selection that fits her voice on this album than Rhapsody and is more concise and to boot, I don't know, has fucking Rhapsody on the album, rapping her fucking ass off on the record that she has Rhapsody off. They're rapping that ass.
Speaker 2:There's some rapping ass rappers. This woman has some rapping ass rappers. As a man, as a man, if you were to see Rhapsody and Chanoir and Cypher, I'm telling you you should walk the other way. You not want to get embarrassed like that. Take your dice, money nigga. Now you can't go shoot dice with the homies anymore. Women took your money, thought you was a rapper. Your turn.
Speaker 4:I have some alternative thoughts to what you said. Comparing it to the, to the Rhapsody, you said it's more concise and that's why you mess with it. And that's my only gripe about the album, because it's very comparable to the Rhapsody to me, but I look at it like it was pacing itself because we have Rhapsody as an album of the year. Contender right, hold on.
Speaker 2:AG, that's just what I'm about to say. If you're comparing it to the Rhapsody, like I am, you know what that means about it, though. Right, that means it's an album of the year contender.
Speaker 4:Right, but it's pacing. I look at it like yo. There's only eight tracks and it was pacing.
Speaker 2:Eight tracks.
Speaker 4:Oh, as eight tracks and it was pacing eight tracks as it is, but Rhapsody was like 17 somewhere in that ballpark. So I'm looking at it like two ballplayers going against each other and both of them cooking the first half, but Che didn't even get in the second half and Rhapsody kept cooking. You know what I'm saying for the second half. You know what I mean. So I can't put it over to Rhapsody, because Rapsody maintained. Raps maintain that high level over a longer period of tracks. You know what I'm saying. So I'll give the nod to Rhapsody, but they're very comparable In particular.
Speaker 2:You want to know what this is. What's that? This is the Victory Lap versus Daytona conversation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a good comparison.
Speaker 2:Victory Lap versus Daytona. I always told people that Daytona was my album of the year. But if you pick Nip's Victory Lap about the fact that it's double the songs and just the quality, I'm not going to knock it. I just like the feel of Daytona a little bit more, Not a lot more, a little bit more. That's how I feel about Please Don't Cry versus the Lotus Child.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's more pure, uncut, unstepped on product. You know what I'm saying. Seven, eight songs in and out, right, but it's very comparable to the Rhapsody that Wiz Love is. Very comparable to 3AM on Rap Sound.
Speaker 2:I like it better. I like it better.
Speaker 4:They're roughly about the same for me. My favorite joint is the 38th special feature. The Guns N' Roses Shadow Puppets dope. You know you mentioned Black Girl with Rhapsody. Sister Act is dope. I mean, overall it's a super dope project, but it was just too short for me, and that's the mark of a good album, because if it was eight tracks that I'm saying is too short and that's my only knock, then it left me wanting more. So that's what I think about the album.
Speaker 1:Definitely definitely short 28 minutes, 28 minutes.
Speaker 2:I think, oh, no, I mean that's you know.
Speaker 1:She got straight to the point, though she got straight to the point I mean that's you know she got straight to the point.
Speaker 2:Though she got straight to the point. I like that because I live in Atlanta. That gives me the opportunity, while I'm sitting in traffic, to listen to your album.
Speaker 4:But for me it's like sorry, my bad, cut you off, Sean, but like what you going to pick like KD3 or Magic. You know what I'm saying. Like Magic is more potent, but you going to give the nod to KD3 because we do it for 17 tracks. You know what I'm saying. I kind of look at it like that.
Speaker 2:But I may independently listen to the songs off of Magic. It's all about what you like. This is what I mean aesthetically about this. It's about what you like. Do you like lightning in a bottle or do you like to watch the whole thunderstorm? I like lightning in a bottle or do you like to watch the whole thunderstorm? I like lightning in a bottle. So I like Daytona, I like Illmatic, I like Peyton Full. You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it depends on the mood too.
Speaker 1:I think it depends on what you're listening to.
Speaker 2:When people be like Wu-Tang Forever is the most lyrical album of all time. It's like I don't give a fuck. I'm not listening to 27 tracks of that shit. Give me 13 songs, take your ass home.
Speaker 4:But in some ways that can be looked at as more impressive. It's like somebody wanted to argue with me that the level of excellence maintained over Cuban links is better than Illmatic. I'm not going to argue with that.
Speaker 2:AG. I'll tell you this I've probably listened to the purple tape in my life more than I've listened to Illmatic. About those reasons and I'm not saying this to throw shade to it it's kind of funny that I'm saying this in relation to those two albums. It's kind of funny that I'm saying this in relation to those two albums. Illmatic represents what the uncut crack of hip hop looks like. On the purple tape they're talking about cooking up the uncut crack. So it's not going to beat Illmatic when they're on the same level. It's not about the conception, the themes and the core. The core of the album is about being a drug dealer. It's not going to win over an Illmatic because of that, because of the core of the conception. Criminology is not going to beat a life's a bitch. You feel me Carcerated? Scarface isn't beating. The world is yours. Maybe the beat is. Maybe the beat. It's close like spot rushers isn't beating the memory lane.
Speaker 4:No that's not happening.
Speaker 2:You feel what I'm saying like it's not you know. So it's those fundamental things. It's like do I listen to Glaciers of Ice more than it ain't hard to tell yes. Do I think that Glaciers of Ice is a better first single on a rap classic than it ain't hard to tell no. And most people don't think that. You feel what I'm saying. It's like no, it ain't hard to tell it's actually better than Glaciers of Ice. Think about what I'm saying when I'm saying that are you?
Speaker 1:finished saying it than Glacier's Ice. Think about what I'm saying when I'm saying that, are you finished saying it? Are you finished saying?
Speaker 2:it. You want to know what I didn't know. You were still here, I thought you were blacked back out again.
Speaker 1:I know you because you just blanked out. You're just a tunnel bitch. I get it. You don't see nothing around you. I get it as we get back to the album. Instead of Illmatic and Cuban Lane we have other conversations with that, but thank you, koo, for taking the time Emory Lane no pun intended.
Speaker 1:The album was dope. It was a dope album. It was straight to the point. Sometimes you need an album that's going to get you right there, to the point. You don't need nothing to draw it out, you don't need nothing to leapfrog over this. Give you intros, give you outros, giving you skits, all of that stuff. You need something that's going to get you from A to B. That's going to be potent and dope. And, like you said, ag, you wanted more of it because it was so good.
Speaker 1:I do hold this album in high regard. I do feel that you know shade should get her flowers. The only thing that I'm concerned about is the fact that she's not going to get the flowers that she deserved for having one of the dopest albums in hip-hop in 2024. Because, if you think about it like this, she doesn't fit the bill for what we see in other female artists. Unfortunately, she's not competing aesthetically or look-wise with the Lottos, with the Sexy Rez and with the Glow Realist one of the cool favorite artists this year. She doesn't fit that appeal. She's bare bones, an MC. She looks like an MC, she feels like an MC, she talks like an MC. There's no gimmicks, there's no punches, there's no fluff to it.
Speaker 2:There's no adjectives to it. I will say this I actually think she's a pretty girl. I think she actually might be prettier than sexy, red or glow she's definitely a pretty girl. The industry doesn't see it she's prettier than glow or sexy to me but we see that we know that because we're not looking through the industry lens.
Speaker 1:The industry lens is saying sex sells.
Speaker 4:If she's not marketing sex, sex sells. And she's not marketing sex. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:She's not marketing sex. Don't mean that she's not sexy. Still tap that ass.
Speaker 1:But again, we're talking through our lens. The industry lens is looking at a different industry lens and saying she's not showing her ass, she's not showing her tits, she's not showing these things because those things are not getting clicks.
Speaker 1:no one's talking about this album on a high clip. Put like this if on gloria or um, what you know, coops per on favorite, um, if is, who else lotto or anybody else would have put together a collection like this? Yeah, collection like this, we will be saying they are in a pantheon of the greatest MCs of all time because they have the look, they have the appeal, they have the draw. She doesn't have the aesthetic draw. Because she doesn't have the aesthetic draw, she's not going to get the other audience to cross over to listen to what she has to say. That's what pains me because even if you think about Rhapsody how great Rhapsody is she doesn't have the aesthetic draw to get that other audience that's tuning in to hear the reckless stuff that we have for Sexy Red. Sexy Red, it's a place, it's a lane for that, but we champion. We are championing them as opposed to championing her being her.
Speaker 2:When I hear an album like this Sean, all jokes aside it makes me realize why Lauryn Hill was so special, because Lauryn actually used to rap like this, but she was so strikingly beautiful. Naturally Not round the way girl pretty, not she cute, not I like her, not she sexy to me, but strikingly beautiful.
Speaker 4:She has what I like to call a rare look.
Speaker 2:No, she has what I like to call everybody like her. Look, it's like oh no, no, no, white guys like her Asian guys, like her black guys, like pick a guy. That's the type of girl that you like to look at, but she rapped with the tenacity, the intellect, the conception of a Nas, of a KRS-One.
Speaker 1:She's talented.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. And what I'm saying is that, no, no, no, che is talented like that. I'm not saying she's Lauren on the mic yeah, because I don't think 98% of the guys that have rapped with Lauren are Lauren on the mic, in my opinion. But what I'm saying is that she offers some of that, but because she's not drop-dead strikingly beautiful gorgeous like Lauren is, like you know, breathtaking like you see her, you're like, uh Like, because she's not that she's not getting her due for doing what she does. That is very comparable in the vein of what she does.
Speaker 2:That is very comparable in the vein of what Lauren does. And we've seen this happen before. It happened to Bahamadia. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:But Lauren was able to do that in the era with.
Speaker 2:To a degree like we watched this happen.
Speaker 4:But Lauren was able to break through and do that in the era with Kim and Fox. You know what I mean. But now I think that's that ship has sailed where I don't think Che can break through.
Speaker 2:There's a reason that when they used to do all those female remixes and like all that stuff, you never saw Lauren on.
Speaker 4:No, they didn't call Lauren. None of those girls called.
Speaker 2:Lauren to do it first.
Speaker 1:Not even Missy.
Speaker 2:Smoke you like my grandfather's pipe. Nigga, it was easy work for her. She wouldn't dust it off. Imagine Lauryn Hill on the Ladies Night remix she would have dusted everybody Easy work for her.
Speaker 1:They don't get no shine. They don't get no shine.
Speaker 4:That's something we would have liked to have seen, like Lauryn Fox and Kim all on the same track together.
Speaker 2:In 96, I think she might be lyrically better than Ghost and Ray. That's how nice she is yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:That's a conversation she's like that, but I get it. We going to the next we going to the next topic.
Speaker 2:Last, one little short EP by Westside Gun Drop Free Fly, a little five track, a little appetizer. This is a little appetizer for things to come. What do we think about the Westside project? How are we feeling about Griselda? Did we like the project? Where's Griselda at at this stage in the game? Is it good to hear from Westside? Is there more work coming soon?
Speaker 1:thanks tonight I think tonight yeah, I already heard the full project oh, the full project, so that was just an appetizer, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, still praying. Yeah, I just like hearing, I love it, I love it, I'll be.
Speaker 4:I'll be real short. I didn't like't like the project. Y'all can wax poetic about it, because I didn't really like it. It was different to me. Nah, I think I'm just waiting on that to slow down Moving on.
Speaker 2:Okay, AG.
Speaker 4:I'm going to piggyback off your footsteps.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let Sean talk, since he thinks he knows every damn thing about rap. It was waiting for us to finish. We're going to let him talk about West Side's project right now. I'm going to follow up.
Speaker 1:It's only like you know, quantified by fact. You said five songs, it's actually really two and a half songs. So I'll correct you there it's really two and a half songs. Everything else is just talking and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think this is definitely the setup for the actual album that comes out tonight midnight. I'm looking more forward to that. Seeing that line up, I'm ready for that. That's all I can say about this it was okay. I can't really critique it. It's okay, two and a half songs.
Speaker 2:I did feel like this. I feel like, if this is a reflection of what's to come, is this him getting back in his mixtape bag For me there, if this is a reflection of what's to come, is this him getting back in his mixtape bag? Like, for me, there's West Side Gun before Supreme Blind Tell and then there's West Side Gun after Supreme Blind Tell. Is that a fair West Side Gun conversation? Absolutely, this feels pre-Blind Tell. So, going back to the roots, like, is the nigga catching the train and taking, like, the seven hundred thousand dollars worth of ice off his neck? Like I don't, you know, I mean is, is the balenciaga ski mask? Like getting put away for a regular champion hoodie? And some tims like, what, what is? Is this?
Speaker 2:Is grizelda about to have a second run? Are we getting a stove solo album officially, like an official follow-up to Reasonable Drought, which would be his debut? Are we getting a stove sophomore album? Are we getting another Griselda project? Because we actually only got one official Griselda project and I actually think it was underwhelming given the standards. Where are we going? What does this represent? What are we doing with this West Side Project?
Speaker 4:I like WWCD, you liked it.
Speaker 2:That shit was dope to me. I mean that's typical coming from you guys. You don't know any better, it's okay.
Speaker 4:I don't like this project. I hope none of these tracks make the new album that dropped tonight.
Speaker 1:But that's just me it's not going to make it. It wasn't, that wasn't the intent for this, for that album.
Speaker 2:WWE. Wwe. Cd is good, I mean it's not. It's not good guys. It's a mid, all right, um, it is. It's a mid. Cruiserweight Coke is good, Scotty's is good. No, dr Bird, dr Bird, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Rest of that shit, just okay. After that, rest of that shit, just okay, don't worry. Don't worry, cooper will show you the way we're going to get into some classic rap album talks, right quick. So on October 28th 1997, bass released the classic Harlem World Quadruple Platinum what's in a year and a half of its release, classic? So I got some hot takes for you. Today Our classic album review is actually going to be some impact questions that I have for you guys. So here's the impact questions Classic what was?
Speaker 2:more impactful gentlemen, questions Classic. What was more impactful, gentlemen, mesa's, harlem World or DMX's? It's Dark and Hell is Hot. Go Now, you're talking Coop.
Speaker 1:You finally welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:First of all, I've been here, I've been steering the ship while you've been sitting on the side of the boat playing fucking shuffleboard with an 80-year-old lady drinking a mimosa.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the show Coop. That's the Coop. I know I'm about to ask you to put a wolf mask on.
Speaker 2:You want to know what? Why don't you go hit the buffet Like Sean, the ship that I'm steering? Why don't you go hit the buffet and get some crab legs and some rice pilaf off the buffet line?
Speaker 1:nigga and get some crab legs and some rice pilaf off the buffet line. Nigga, I'm just saying I'm like thank you for showing up. That's a damn good question.
Speaker 4:They occupied different ends of the impact spectrum but had the wherewithal to put each other on each other's albums.
Speaker 2:Hold on. But let's look back and reflect now and say what impacted the music game more, because I don't think Harlem World gets its credit for its impact. It's Dark and Hell is Hot gets its credit. Now let's measure the credit, because I don't think the credit is too far different and what I would tell you is that more people have actually maybe embodied Mase's motif than DMX's motif since then. What say you?
Speaker 4:I'll do a quick Sean and Japan story real quick First of all, sean, never been to Japan in balls.
Speaker 2:okay, sean, it was a 30-game season in an 18-league. He played in three games. He took seven shots in the three games the average.
Speaker 1:Shout out to.
Speaker 2:Bill Russell.
Speaker 1:Okay, shout out to the Japan Corps.
Speaker 2:He's Bill Hustle. He was Bill Hustle.
Speaker 4:But to me Bill Hustle's crazy. But to me the dopest thing about music is it marks time, especially when you're in your formative years, right? So Harlem World came out when I was in my junior year of high school and at Marshall University, which is my alma mater, they called like they had a multicultural affairs department, where you know, they gathered all the African-American kids from surrounding areas to try to recruit them to come to college and we spent a dope weekend on campus. They put us in the box seats you know what I'm saying. If you had a certain GPA, if you were smart like me, or whatever, you got to go. But they put us up in box seats to watch Randy Moss play which was crazy at a football game. And then that night they rented out one of the local clubs on campus for us to party at Now, granted, we all underage and they ain't service alcohol, so let me just be clear on that.
Speaker 4:But it's a whole club of us down there for that weekend trying to recruit us to come to school. And mason's harlem world had just came out that week and the dj was like running them joints back to back. Like you know, feel so good looking, uh, looking at me um, tell me what you want. Like the joint where he was rapping, dj was running them joints back to back and then the album just dropped that same week and then when some of us came back to my hometown where I'm at, we just kept talking about like yo, that was like crazy. In the club they was playing this joint you know what I'm saying. And I linked that album to that moment. You know what I'm saying. And I linked that album to that moment. You know what I'm saying Because I was like yo this is where I'm going to school. It was like lit whatever. You know what I mean. So I think it was classic for real.
Speaker 2:Now, ag, had you been a primetime football player, you would have had that experience, plus strippers and cocaine.
Speaker 4:Okay so, we can leave out the cocaine, but I did, you know. I will say this I did get my time on the football sidelines, not as a player, but I'm a former athletic trainer. I used to work with the thunder and hurt on the sunlight on sideline as I have to train it before I came to physical therapy.
Speaker 2:So another claim to fame massaging hamstrings.
Speaker 4:But my story, my stories is actually my stories is actually true. You know what I'm saying? Sean's the cat as an athlete. I don't want to hear that. First of all, everybody everybody knows Sean's lies.
Speaker 2:Every Thursday. Every Thursday night, I would start receiving text messages about Sean's lies when the show was over. It's like yo Coop. When the show is over, it's like yo Coop, this nigga really ain't ballin' nowhere did he. I'd be like no, this nigga ain't ballin' nowhere.
Speaker 1:Show the pictures. I got the pictures. Let me go for the clips.
Speaker 4:man oh my God, that's not the clips we want to see. We want to talk about malice and push or not.
Speaker 2:AG, this is me blinking twice. We got to get control of the server, so he can't do this.
Speaker 1:Y'all gonna stop.
Speaker 4:This is Sean dressed like Darius Miles for Halloween. It's not a real basketball.
Speaker 1:What is wrong with y'all man?
Speaker 4:We're gonna pay him $18 million to average seven points.
Speaker 2:Nigga, where's my sponsorship money if we're doing this?
Speaker 4:Sean was running down the court.
Speaker 1:That's ridiculous. Let's keep it on topic. Man, we're all going to keep it on topic.
Speaker 2:We're all going to keep it on topic AG. Thank you for the great transition. The Clips have signed a Def Jam.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, what are we doing? No, we're not doing that. Mace album was dope. Dmx album was dope, although we didn't have DMX in the ledger when we were talking about.
Speaker 3:Mase's album.
Speaker 1:Mase's album was. So Mase's album, honestly, was the album that forced me to change my style and how I dress. You know what I mean Beef and broccoli. You know Tim's wearing the cardigans. You know wearing just like the preppy boy. Look, you know what I mean. I know Coop doesn't understand that, but Coop always wearing windbreakers and shit. I know Coop doesn't understand that, but Coop always wearing windbreakers and shit. I was wearing cardigans and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:There's nothing wrong with my windbreakers.
Speaker 1:It's a lot wrong with the windbreaker. He was wearing windbreakers.
Speaker 4:We was wearing velours with Tims. That was a nasty time.
Speaker 2:I like my rock and wear velour suit with my Tims and a headband.
Speaker 4:That shit was crazy.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't do a headband. That's going too far. That's nasty work.
Speaker 1:Headbands are nasty work it was time man Put the rhinestones in. Dope album, Dope album.
Speaker 2:Okay, the next hip-hop classic we're going to discuss is ice cube's death certificate, personal favorite of mine, dropped october 29th 1991. Another impact question for you, gentlemen, more impactful album ice cube's second solo album, which is death certificate. The follow-up to the classic america's most wanted, or nwa's niggas for life. The follow-up to the classic America's Most Wanted, or NWA's Niggas for Life, the follow-up to the classic Straight Outta Compton, which Ice Cube infamously penned. A good majority of what's the more important second album, niggas for Life or Death Certificate, go AG.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna make a little caveat Coop, I'm going to say Death Certificate, but here's my caveat it was the follow-up to Kill it Will EP and the reason why I say it's more, yeah, true, true. But the reason why I put that caveat in there and I say it's more impactful, because this lines up Coop to have I don't even want to say arguably I think this is the greatest start to a career ever in hip-hop. I think this is the greatest start to a career ever in hip hop, straight out of Compton, america's Most Wanted Kill it Will EP Death Certificate. That's why Death Certificate solidifies that and is more impactful. It starts out, it's the greatest start to a career in history and the fact that he had to regroup after leaving NWA. So that's my take it's more impactful, I love that take KG, I love that take.
Speaker 1:Thank you. I echo that. Yeah, what you got, sean. I echo everything you said.
Speaker 2:I think for the first time since this show started, we actually all agree about the same thing at the same damn time and can actually just watch the next segment. You see what Mark said.
Speaker 1:Talk to him. Mark tell him who I am. Mark tell him who I am man tell him who I am.
Speaker 2:You see that, y'all see that, sean it's an old newspaper clip.
Speaker 1:It's vintage, sean. My mother used to cut things out, sean, it's an old newspaper clip.
Speaker 4:It's vintage. It's an old newspaper clip Sean Sean.
Speaker 2:My mother used to cut things out of the cinema Sean.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:My name.
Speaker 4:The way my mother. The way.
Speaker 2:The way, sean, the way these progressive lenses are set up. I can't see that shit.
Speaker 1:I can't, nobody see that shit.
Speaker 2:That is crazy.
Speaker 1:I can't see that shit. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:I can't see that shit. I can barely see what's in front of me half the time, 15, 20 feet away, bringing up a newspaper clipping. I took that off the refrigerator and held it up in the camera.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is Maul. It's old Vintage joint man. It's like overseas man. We got overseas shit That'll play sports. Next album Coop.
Speaker 4:It's like overseas man. We got overseas shit. I don't play sports. Next album Coop. I can't play sports.
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous. We are you know what. Last but not least, Lil Rock La Familia. Although it is considered to be a Jay-Z album, the Dynasty album actually dropped. I don't have the skews for it, AG, you got the skews for the day that it dropped.
Speaker 4:Today the 31st in 2000.
Speaker 2:24 years ago today, jay-z, beanie Siegel, memphis Bleak and Emile dropped the Dynasty album, which I considered. Even though it's a Jay-Z album, I think he considered it to be a Rockefeller album that kind of launched the second iteration of Rockefeller into the stratosphere. Is what this album is. It features what is arguably his biggest hit I Just Wanna Love you. If we are playing one Jay-Z record that reflects who he is at his peak, at his prime as the king, what record are we playing? And it has to be a record people are going to resonate to.
Speaker 2:We can't be talking this dead precedent, shit niggas don't know when they. When he says I dabbled in crazy weight without rap. I was crazy straight part and I'm still spending money, an idiot. We can't kick that shit to some people. What song best represents the peak of his run? Because I think that I just want to love you off. What song best represents the peak of his run? Because I think that I Just Wanna Love you off. This album might be the best representation of his run, albeit from what I would think is a actually subpar album in relationship to the material he was making at the time.
Speaker 4:That's a good pick. I love the album, though this is my seventh.
Speaker 2:If I'm ranking Jay-Z's albums, I got this as 7th how you gonna sit up there and say I love this album and say the album's 7th because I mean Hope got like 16, 17 albums that's like saying I got 15 kids. 7th kid that's my favorite nigga. No, it's not nigga. You put this nigga 7th.
Speaker 4:7th ain't bad, Seventh ain't bad out of a catalog of like 16 joints. But I think the reason why I hold this album so high and it don't get enough credit is it's the precursor to the blueprint. You can see sonically where they were headed. I always cite this album and Beanie Seagulls the reason album to be precursors to what they mastered as far as a sound on the Blueprint.
Speaker 2:That's why I love Thomas. It's like the Reason this album doesn't sound that good. This album just okay. There's about three or four songs on here.
Speaker 4:It's Beans coming out party, though Beans look crazy.
Speaker 2:Beans been outside since Adrenaline with the Roots True Love Beans outside.
Speaker 4:This is just stupid.
Speaker 2:What is it? Do it again. You know how Matt come through on the club tip. Everybody need Beanie.
Speaker 4:Let's not act like Jay didn't come through and kill Beanie on that joint.
Speaker 1:That's one of Jay's best verses he didn't kill Beans.
Speaker 4:He did, yes, he did.
Speaker 2:He did not kill, he won.
Speaker 4:That's one of Jay's best verses ever. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:There's a difference between killing and winning. Sir, he won, he didn't kill.
Speaker 4:Jay put a lot of points on the board with that verse. He saw what Beanie did.
Speaker 2:He didn't have a choice. Do you hear Beanie Siegel's voice? Do you understand the trepidation that's going through Jay-Z's mind when he is listening to Beanie Siegel's verse? He's like I need to have a verse of the year. You do need to have the verse of the year.
Speaker 4:But that's what Beans did. He pushed them. Beans always pushed, jay, hold on.
Speaker 2:Hold on Because you want to know who has verse of the year if you don't get verse of the year on that song, the first verse.
Speaker 4:Right In 2000? What Do it again? You said Jay-Z's verse is the verse of the year in 2000?.
Speaker 2:What the in the club verse.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I love that verse. It's one of Jay's best verses, but I don't think it's the verse of the year. I mean you got Prodigy's first verse on Keep it Thorough.
Speaker 2:No, jay's verse is better on Keep it Thorough. No, jay's verse is better, keep it Thorough.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, don't talk to me about it, and not for nothing.
Speaker 2:Not for nothing, yo he's all right, but he's not real when he said that shit good night.
Speaker 4:But I'll see that verse and raise you Nas on Bridge 2001.
Speaker 2:I like the Bridge 2001. I like the Bridge 2001. No, nah, bro, it's not better.
Speaker 4:Your man, your boss, lieutenant, your boss, get failed. Yo come on now We'll go on a different sidebar with that verse.
Speaker 2:Nas went crazy 100 G's in your grill, no, no.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:He was going to Nas. He got a little flood.
Speaker 2:I've been painting shit up in a little flood. Three cuts in the eyebrow trying to wild out. The game is ours. We'll never foul out, y'all never hope. We gracefully bow out. No, no, flame, nigga, flame, dylon, dylon, dylon, dylon, dylon yeah, but Dynasty is slept. I love that album 1-900-HUSTLE is actually the best song on that album.
Speaker 4:Freeway debut.
Speaker 2:It is Now, if you want to talk about a scene-stealing performance, his performance on 1-900-HUSTLE. That's a scene-stealing performance, Absolutely.
Speaker 4:Cat didn't like his voice when he first came out, but he was spitting so crazy it didn't even matter.
Speaker 2:Watch, he first came out but he was spitting so crazy it didn't even matter. Watch how you talk out your mouth when you're talking on the phone.
Speaker 1:Philly was on fire.
Speaker 2:Man Shout out to Philly I was like who the fuck is this nigga? I was like this shit sound crazy.
Speaker 4:Yo, I was in the dorms and it was a cat down the hall that was from Philly and listen, he knew a couple of them state property cats and I never heard the end of it. He was like Rockefeller State prop all day, every day, man.
Speaker 2:I understand Most of them niggas, is North Philly. You might as well be in the Bronx when you in North Philly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my man Mark from North Philly. We got a few super chats fellas.
Speaker 2:Okay, Hope it's not Mad Max. See you Lord.
Speaker 1:We hope it's Mad Max, not Mad Max too, Lawrence we hope it's Mad Max.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? Lauren Bacai, fife Daz, bun B over Havoc. What say y'all? Fife Daz and Bun B over Havoc? I'm not putting Daz over Havoc and I have to be honest with you. I'm not putting Bun over Havoc too, because I feel like, outside of riding dirty, bun's best mic performances are actually without yeah, so with you, gk.
Speaker 4:I don't even know if you put Bun second. You know what I'm saying. I think Bun is first. I don't think that's a fair comparison to have, because I put Bun first.
Speaker 2:So let me tell you something most people outside of the south have Bun first. Everybody down here got Pimp first that's fair.
Speaker 4:I can see that Pimp first down here to everybody he smoked all of them on that J joint he did
Speaker 3:first that's fair. I can see that Pimp first down here to everybody.
Speaker 1:He smoked all of them on that.
Speaker 4:J joint. He did.
Speaker 1:He pimpin', he smoked them all he did.
Speaker 2:That's one of the records.
Speaker 4:Gloria Velez, beside him with a mink on. You got a record.
Speaker 2:TV don't know no temperature. Tv don't know no temperature.
Speaker 4:That's right. That's right. That's right Alright. What's the other super chat we got? We done with the supers.
Speaker 1:We got a few more. We got a couple more.
Speaker 2:Okay, I got the super chats coming. Lordvakai199 still Eastie Eastsiders? No, stop that. That's a Cali nigga. He's a Cali nigga. You a Cali nigga. When you stop that, that's a Cali nigga. He's a Cali nigga. You a Cali nigga when you do that, when you do shit like that, we identify you. You a Cali nigga.
Speaker 1:We appreciate you, Lord Vakai, Lord Vakai probably from Long Beach. Why Mad Max on the?
Speaker 2:999.
Speaker 3:Super.
Speaker 2:Chat. Here we go. I'm a guy Love Mase but it's X. But Mase flow was stolen more than any other rapper since his Flo was so lit. Fab made a career with his Flo Facts. Fab made a career with his Flo In Big L style. I still think Baby and Gunna Flo is Mace's lackadaisical Flo. I think Mace got his Flo actually from L, not the other way around. L was the leader of that pack. Mace and Cam'ron were Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. Big L was Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1:I want to let Mace tell you that Mace is different.
Speaker 4:Mace got a whole different story.
Speaker 2:Niggas in the street ain't trying to hear that Big L was pulling up on niggas offering to battle them for 50 to 100 grand large. When Mace was still looking for a deal, L was out here with his brother putting money up against niggas, including Jay he's putting up money for other stuff too, hey hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker 2:Due to the statute of limitations and lack of information, we know we are going to say that he is running a successful record label in business and enterprise and our man with the $5 super check. We also do a station here on Woo vs Native Tongues. As soon as these sissy ass niggas step up to the plate and want to fight, we will. We in.
Speaker 1:Discord talking about it.
Speaker 4:We the sissies, but he talking about putting what he's saying. He was going to pillage us with his native tongue.
Speaker 1:We joked about that. We everywhere, you ain't never there. Why would we ever care? We the best that can come around here. We doing it next week.
Speaker 4:That went viral.
Speaker 2:We doing it next week. Our man, we're doing it next week. Apparently, these niggas are in the fucking Discord talking greasy CJ, the Kid with the $5 super chat. That J verse is better than every verse on Supreme Client Zone 2000. I didn't say that Didn't say that 2000 goes to that guy.
Speaker 1:Scientific.
Speaker 4:My hand kissed it, I missed it Verse on one Nutmeg, come on.
Speaker 1:First on one Nutmeg man. Come on, no, no, nutmeg. Three ravioli bags. Come on, man.
Speaker 2:Beans yelling belly up. That first verse on one is my shit.
Speaker 4:I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 4:My favorite verse is we want eight ravioli bags.
Speaker 2:My favorite verse is we want eight ravioli bags.
Speaker 4:My favorite verse is Mighty Healthy.
Speaker 2:Heavy rating rhyme writers talking this crash out of Rikers. Pulled out a kite from this white bitch talking about damn ghost, you, the only nigga I know, when the cops come, you never hide. I was like yo. That's the only shit I've heard in my life.
Speaker 4:I don't know Mighty Healthy's up there.
Speaker 2:This nigga talking about a letter in jail that he got from a white chick and the white chick is telling him like nigga, I like how, when the police pull up you, the only rapper that's not hiding your pistol. It's like that's how we ended up in Rikers bitch. Ghost of that guy man I ain't even going to front on you. Go to that dude, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:A couple things before we get out of here. Let's get to a little quick business. Clip sign to Def Jam Quick thoughts. Gentlemen, try to keep it under 30 seconds. A little rapid fire. Clip sign to Def Jam AG. They're from Virginia, you're from West Virginia. Nobody cares what Sean thinks, really, anyway we're all different monsters.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 4:I just think it makes sense. Pusha was already over there on Def Jam. This makes sense for the group, but I'm of the mindset who really needs the labels anymore, because it's not like Def Jam is going to put a whole lot of money behind them and promote them. Everything is promoted on social media anyway, but I just think from you know our artistic standpoint. Pusha was already there, so why not? Sean?
Speaker 1:well said all.
Speaker 2:I gotta say, is I'd like to quote the jizzer who infamously predicted all of this on labels Tommy, ain't my motherfucking boy. When you fake moves on a nigga, you employ next alright. New Drake video no face. When you fake moves on a nigga, you employ Next All right. New Drake video no face. A lot of people out here are feeling like Drake is just trying to keep the content up, keep the fact that he got his ass whooped down. What say you guys about the new video?
Speaker 4:The energy of the video. The energy of the video looked like he ain't loose, but he did. It's like he didn't get but he did, I don't like it. It's like he didn't get the memo that he lost.
Speaker 1:Right, I don't like it. That's my take. I don't like it. Drop an album or drop some songs. I'll leave it alone.
Speaker 2:You have to understand something, I agree with you all, but also understand where he's coming from, because to be great you don't just have to work hard, you don't just have to be talented. You know what else. You have to be Delusional.
Speaker 4:Yes. Irrational confidence yes.
Speaker 2:If Tiger Woods is not delusional, he still has 14 majors, not 15. Like that last win, the last major, which is probably going to be the last major he ever wins. Oh no, that's something that only happens when the delusion in your mind about who you used to be exists for so long that within you that one day it all falls your way and you can still pull it out because you're the only person that still believes. And so the same thing that I don't like about it is what I do like about it, because it's part of what makes him great. Quite frankly, it's the fact that he's acting like it didn't happen. That's what you have to do.
Speaker 2:Do you think Michael Jordan acted like Shaq and Penny whooped that ass when he came back playing the 45 jersey? Nobody talks about how Shaq and Penny whooped that ass. You know the last person who whooped Michael Jordan's ass in the series Shaquille O'Neal. Shaquille O'Neal will tell you, but nobody else will tell you, because people act like it won't happen. You want to know why? Because the very next year, in the very same scenario, michael Jordan and the Bulls swept that team. Because the delusion of grandeur that was in Michael's mind, mike actually thought that he could come back with 17 games left to play in the regular season. Was it 27? 27 or 17?
Speaker 4:It was about 17, yeah.
Speaker 2:About 17 games left in the regular season.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it came back in late.
Speaker 2:April and thought that he was about to beat an Anthony Hardaway that was about to make first team All-NBA as a point guard and a Shaquille O'Neal that was about to make second team All-NBA, only to Hakeem Olajuwon, who was in his prime as well, and he thought he was going to come back after being gone for 18 months smoking cigars. Fucking these hoes. He's fucking these hoes.
Speaker 4:Let's move on before you indict MJ. That's crazy. Stop playing that All these rappers.
Speaker 2:Look here, man, the finest girl in your city is fucking your favorite rapper or ball player not you, anyway, it's a family channel First of all. Or if you're in Atlanta, not you, anyway, it's a family channel, anyway, first of all. Or if you're in Atlanta, you can have Coop's Good Fortune. You can share that girl with these niggas. It's no more fun. Take her for somebody who knows and tell you some stories. It's another conversation for another day. Let's go to the next topic. Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg Sean are releasing Missionary in December.
Speaker 1:I told you you did.
Speaker 2:Sean, I would like to tell you that you were right. I was wrong. This track looks fucking terrible. It does. I'm going to work, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 4:Look at this track list no dog pound Terrible and they put out a hell of an album this year, so I was disappointed about that. Don't do that. Look at this track list. No Dog Pound Terrible. And they put out a hell of an album this year, so I was disappointed about that.
Speaker 1:Who was Kane and Coca?
Speaker 4:Come on y'all.
Speaker 1:Who was Coca Serena? Come on, man, what do you mean? Come on, he got like what Andrew said. He got Tom Petty and Jelly Roll on here. Tom Petty been dead. What seven years Andrew Tom Petty's been dead?
Speaker 4:seven years people been using pop vocals for the past 20 plus years bro, tom Petty vocals.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? People using pop vocals? No, man, they ain't using man, y'all man. Here's my thing. Right, look at, I'm man.
Speaker 4:Here's my thing, right.
Speaker 1:Look at this man. Look at this.
Speaker 4:I'm just laughing at the irony that. I'm just laughing at the irony that Dre said all that about he prefers one producer and one rapper and link in. But he was talking about, like, I think I've seen somewhere that all the tracks are produced by Dr Dre in the ICU, so he has a production team that's going to be doing this.
Speaker 1:Who is?
Speaker 4:Fat.
Speaker 2:Money. No, we're going to unpack it. Glad you all had your thoughts. I don't give a fuck about this album. I don't give a fuck, I don't care Yo.
Speaker 4:Keep that same energy. If it's fire, bro, it might be all right.
Speaker 1:Who is Fat Money and Stallone?
Speaker 4:First of all, I like the cover, though I like the album cover.
Speaker 2:Judging on the track list and the fact that neither one of these guys Respectfully speaking, no, no, I'm going to wait until that's done. I'm going to wait until that little condom pack is done. Respectfully speaking gentlemen, when is the last time Snoop Dogg has dropped a classic? Because I would tell you that the Blue Carpet, blue Carpet, what's that? 2009?
Speaker 4:Yeah, because Blue Carpet was after Rhythm and Gangsta. Correct, correct, 2009?. Rhythm and Gangsta 2009? Yeah, because Blue Carpet was after.
Speaker 2:Rhythm and Gangsta correct Correct 2009?. Rhythm and Gangsta 2009? Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry like Blue Carpet Treatment 2009,. Right.
Speaker 4:That was. I get those two mixed up, but I think Blue Carpet was his last joint. That was all you could think of 2007,.
Speaker 1:I think yeah, blue Carpet was 2006.
Speaker 2:Blue Carpet was 2006. It's been that long.
Speaker 4:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize it was that long. My daughter wasn't alive, nigga. This nigga's about to go to college. I'm going to say that again. When Snoop Dogg's last classic came out, my daughter wasn't alive. She's about to go to college, nigga. So it's been a minute. She just walked in the house. That's good for her, cause the fucking curfew's about to hit. Just heard her walk in. Good for her. She gets to live to see another day. She got her driver's license today. Shout out to my daughter, sade, for getting her driver's license.
Speaker 2:But better than that staying alive, like the BGs, by making curfew excellent job by her, by making Curfew Excellent job by her, by making Curfew. Get to stay alive, nigga, it's more important than anything. It's breathing. You need to care for this shit. Putting her on blast is wild man. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about this album. This album don't look good, it don't sound good. You telling me fucking Snoop ain't made a fucking classic rap album in 24 years? 23? 23 years, 23 years since he made a classic?
Speaker 4:album. Hey, that Back on Death Row album was pretty tough, though I ain't gonna lie, I'm not done.
Speaker 2:When's the last time Dr Dre made a classic rap album? When's the last time Dr Dre is the executive producer of a classic rap album? Do you count Good, kid Mad City? Some people don't.
Speaker 4:He didn't even do any beats on there, he gets credit for it.
Speaker 2:The one time he's rapping on there. It's a Jet Blaze beat.
Speaker 1:The Compton album is not that he's beat. Yeah, he just was on the Marshall album.
Speaker 4:The documentary. The Compton album is not that great. If I'm being honest, it's not. We don't even talk about it. So the documentary, documentary.
Speaker 2:That's 2005? Is that 2005,? Nigga, yeah, and can you even give that full credit to him Because that album.
Speaker 4:He had a handful of tracks. He didn't produce the majority at all.
Speaker 2:No, no, he put the documentary together.
Speaker 4:Are you talking about executive produce or produce? Is it different?
Speaker 2:Okay. So this is what I mean. This is what I learned from the glove conversation. Well, I know for a fact and I've heard this from multiple people now well, dr Dre didn't like those early game sessions, which is how 50 ended up coming in, right? So if Dr Dre is the one that put 50 in play in the documentary, oh no, that is the difference. No, nigga. Yeah, you made that happen. Executive producer Check, but that's 2005. It's 2024. So we got one nigga that's 19 years removed and another one that's 18 years removed from the last time they did some classic shit. We clear about that, yeah, now. Now, now, nas made life is good in 2012, y'all, and we looked at the shit that he just did like oh my god, how'd you do that? Now Nas made Life is Good in 2012, y'all, and we looked at the shit that he just did like oh my God, how'd you do that? Y'all really think this album about to sound.
Speaker 1:I'm worried, I'm worried.
Speaker 4:I'm going to be honest. What's weird is I don't feel like there's any pressure on him.
Speaker 2:We need to check up on our West Coast friends. Make sure these niggas are okay. It's going to be suicide watch. If this happens, Shout out to my West Coast homies, To my West Coast homies blink twice if you're in danger.
Speaker 1:This was a one-off, it'd be different. But you're saying this is missionary, this is a follow up to doggy style is what you're telling us, with no dog pound. With no dog pound. There's no dog sounds on there. At least bring back the dad, bring back RBN.
Speaker 4:They ain't even bring back Rage. Yeah, they ain't bring back Rage.
Speaker 2:Bring back the crew.
Speaker 4:Daz has had some disparaging things to say about Dre lately, so I didn't really see him being on the album. If we're being honest, True. I mean, nobody's disputing that. I'm just saying, if you're making an album, somebody talking greasy about you, you putting them on the album very concerned because that you put it this way right. It gives credence to what dad was saying.
Speaker 1:If dad makes the cut, look at it look at this like no, oh, my god, you got the dog honey guy. And no disrespect, because I don't know these guys, but no disrespect to Stone and Fat Money, no really.
Speaker 4:Let's take a minute, right? If you put Daz in this mix, it gives credit to what he's saying, because that brings up more questions Like well, how many songs did Daz produce, since he was involved in these sessions? So I'm not going to leave any question about that and bring that person in the fold.
Speaker 1:You don't bring me in for that. They did the beats.
Speaker 2:They did most of the beats and the drums on Doggystyle and Drake orchestrated and put it together. That's already been discussed.
Speaker 4:You want that to be a talk again around this one.
Speaker 1:If it's brand good music, I don't care. You're Drake, what?
Speaker 4:Sean said We'll call corrupt Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Here's what I know. I know Krista Glove Taylor told me one time there was a song that they were working on. The song was called Deep Cover. He said we didn't have the money. He said, instead of paying the company for the sample, we figured we'd just call a nigga ruck. We called one of the Isley brothers to fucking play it.
Speaker 2:Dr Dre handed me a credit card to buy a Clevenger. This is what the fuck I'm talking about. That's production. Go buy the guitar. Fuck paying the record company for a sample. We're going to go buy the guitar. We're going to play the nigga who created the sample to play the sample. Hello, production. And this is what I mean about how it changed my life. I never thought production was that until he explained that shit to me. But when he said that shit I understood very, very clearly. I was like you're absolutely right. I was like that is executive production. Here's my credit card Go buy the Clevenger. Go call this nigga who actually created the sample and tell him we'll pay this nigga 15 racks to come play the sample live. That is production. You think that this album is about to have a fucking Isley brother playing the Clevenger with a song that sounds like deep cover. Hell fuck, no.
Speaker 4:I want to know what happened to the Sting feature. They pulled Tom Petty vocals because they couldn't get Sting. Dr Dre said they had Sting on the album.
Speaker 1:I don't want to know, I'm good.
Speaker 2:I'd rather have Sting the wrestler on the album at this point.
Speaker 4:Let's go, that's hilarious, but what about that aspect of it about what he said about producers, like one producer versus a lot of producers? Let's get into that real quick before we go on.
Speaker 2:I think this nigga that's where we were going. I think this nigga got a lot of nerve.
Speaker 4:Because he has a team, he has a lot of nerve.
Speaker 1:He always has.
Speaker 2:First of all, this nigga's always. I'm going to say this again. I interviewed Chris the Glove Taylor. I know for a say this again. I interviewed Chris the Glove Taylor. I know for a fact Dr Dre's always had a right hand man. First of all, he's had Chris the Glove Taylor pretty much since Chaka Khan made I Feel For you, nigga. He's had Chris the Glove Taylor since Chaka Khan made I Feel For you, nigga.
Speaker 1:I feel like it came out.
Speaker 2:Nigga. We were all barely potty trained when I Feel For you by Shaki Khan came out. That's how long Dr Dre's had an assistant. Dr Dre had an assistant when we were being potty trained, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that he's had an assistant since we were being potty trained. He's had Mailman, he's had Sam Snead, he's had Michael.
Speaker 3:Donovan.
Speaker 2:He's had Christopher Taylor, he's had RBX, he's had Snoop, he's had Ice Cube, he's had Eazy-E, 50 Cent, the Game, Eminem Nigga. If this was slavery, it'd be Candyland and fucking Django.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing we're in an era of where the single MC, single producer is like a hot commodity again. That's what everybody wants to do, but I do think the team approach can work. I'm glad you know what I'm saying. Lt was on here earlier because he talked about being an A&R. That's something that's missing in the game currently right. About being an R A&R that's something that's missing in the game currently right. As long as somebody's overseeing a team of producers, like an A&R or executive producer, the whole, I get a beat from this person. That person, this person, that person can come together as a cohesive album. You look at the classic albums where that happened. You look at Illmatic. Illmatic set up the stage for everybody to get different super producers to produce the album, right. But look who was overseeing that project. Large Pro was taking Nas to place to place. He was AR-ing that whole project. Even though Search gets the you know the.
Speaker 2:EP. So when people talk this super producer shit, people need to understand that it's like no Large Professor got Q-Tip in the fold, right Got Pete Rock in the fold, all of them Got DJ Premier in the fold. It's not like Nas know these niggas.
Speaker 4:Right, and he introduced Nas to all of them, but it was not. He did say on Math Hoffa's podcast that this was Nas' vision, that Nas wanted to seek them out, but LP is the one who made it happen.
Speaker 2:Listen to what I'm saying. Illmatic is not fair territory to discuss the producer conversation. Because Illmatic is what it is, because it changes the producer and the MC conversation. It does in both aspects.
Speaker 4:But another good example is the Blueprint Hip Hop. He recruited Kanye, got Just Blaze and had Bink all up in baseline to make the Blueprint in-house Jay going from room to room, they're involved here in each other's sessions, getting that competitive fervor going. So I think technology messed up hip hop where, where you know you sending beats like well, I can get a beat here that you know I'm saying get it quick. But the session where you're pulling up to a session, you're in a session with the producer and another producer might be working on your album too, but they're in that same session that you're cooking up in with another producer. That's missing from today's game. So you know, I think the anrs is a big thing and executive producers where everything is in house um, that's missing to make classic albums can I tell you something?
Speaker 2:I think the producers just aren't as good anymore, and it's even a bigger problem than the mc. They're beat makers, they're not producers. No, here's what I'm saying, the reason that Daz is doing most of the beats on Doggystyle, the actual beat, like the actual laying it down. Well, Dr Dre has already done Straight Outta Compton and Niggas for Life and no One Can Do it Better. And above the law and the chronic sorry four classics in yeah, that affords you the opportunity to step away from the board. That's like winning four championship rings.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I just don't like when it's marketed as you doing it by yourself. That's what I'm like.
Speaker 2:No, and I, and I respect that. What you have to understand is is that, well, if you're looking at producers like the albums that they make, well, understand the first five albums he made. He won a championship ring. With four of the five albums that he made, yeah, the above the law album would be the outlier. The rest of those albums are championship ring type of albums. Or, like you, one of the last two or three or four teams standing, would that afford you to?
Speaker 4:do, did you even say no one can do it better?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was one of them oh. Easy, does it Easy.
Speaker 4:Does it too.
Speaker 2:Five out of six. When you have that catalog, walking into a situation where snoop is making doggy style no, you're already a legend to all these people in the room. They're making the stuff to try to impress you. So when you hear something like now, you can be like no, the same way havoc did for I mean the same way q-tip did for havocavoc on the Infamous. No, take the drum pattern and do this with this. No, no, no, that beat is dope, that bass line is dope, but we need horns right here. You want to know it. Let's take this George Clinton sample. Now we got. Now, that bass line you dropped was dope and it was funky, but now I'm going to put some horns in here. And now we got the Atomic Dog sample. So now what you have is boom, boom, boom, boom. Now what we got is Snoop Doggy. You get what I'm saying. It's different.
Speaker 4:But not only are they trying to impress, they're doing their best imitation of you as well.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is that Doggy style is actually great graduation. You're good, it's great graduation into that echelon where it's like no, he's no longer the guy sitting behind the main console making the beats all the time, there are other dudes sitting in his seat trying to take his place, and now he's overseeing. That's what doggy style is. Yeah, so it's an elevation. And so when he's saying he doesn't like all of that, I'm like nigga, you created all of that. The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 4:Yeah, because Kanye even did that. You know a lot of people adopted that same. You know format, so he created that environment. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's the main foster of it. People understand that right, he is the main foster of that collaborative environment. Yeah, producers, main fosterer of that collaborative environment for producers and mcs. That's what I learned from listening to the glove. It's like no, no, no, no. He's the guy that sets the stage for the environment, like he'll play the piano, he'll make a beat, but what he really does, more than anything else, is put everybody in the room and know how it sounds, supposed to sound when they put them in the room like a quincy j. That's the shit. So when he is saying he prefers the one-on-one, it's like show me the one-on-one shit you did with Snoop on doggy style.
Speaker 4:No, you're right.
Speaker 2:The effort has always been there. The collaborative effort is there. On um, paid in full Cause. Marley Marl is right there with Eric B. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back. It's Hit Squad, I mean Bomb Squad, greatest Adventures of Slick Rick is Rick Rubin and Shock Lee and Rick. You know what I'm saying. It's like no, it's Go, look at our classics. It's always a team of people. That's why the Wu-Tang shit and the purple tape shit and the liquid sword shit stand out so much. It's like oh no, that nigga really did all those beats. He the only one like that. Even Preem and Preem don't have a top 15 rap album, y'all, unless you think Moment of Truth is.
Speaker 4:Nah, that's why I got RZA number one all time.
Speaker 2:Right. So it's like oh no, ain't none of these niggas making beats by themselves, except for RZA and his prime, and even he had True Master and Fourth Disciple in the back and Brooklyn Zoo's True Master.
Speaker 4:Mathematics too. Yep, Since we on producer talk, you want to slide to the Discord, John.
Speaker 2:Sir, it's all yours, I believe, our Discord Dialogues winner this week, ag, is.
Speaker 4:LES, I want to pass it to Sean before I talk about it, because this is Queens get the money all day.
Speaker 1:AG, go ahead. I'm putting everything in the chat, our Discord links and everything. Okay, got you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so our Discord dialogue segment. I wanted to do a producer segment this week since we were talking production talk with Dr Dre and LES won the votes. And LES you know what I'm saying from Queensbridge Projects, a frequent Nas collaborator, and I'm glad he actually won because he doesn't get a lot of credit that he deserves. Like I don't like it when Illmatic is brought up and they bring up the DJ premieres, pete Rock and Q-Tips, large pros of the world, and don't mention LES because he was just as much of a part of that album but he wasn't a super producer out because you know the song that he produced, you know life's a bitch, is heavily regarded because it boasts the only feature on the album which comes from az, which is one of the greatest features of all time. And I credit les indirectly for uh, life's a bitch and juicy, because a lot of people don't know the story. Nas asked him to bring um juicy Fruit by Matume to the studio. He forgot the record and he ended up using the Gap Band Yearning For your Love and looped that up. So if he ends up bringing Juicy Fruit, we may not get Juicy or Life's a Bitch. It's just funny how things work out, but some of his greatest contributions, I think, is Life's a Bitch. He gave AZ his first platinum single with Sugar Heel. That was a big record. Like I said, a frequent Nas collaborator, he has over 30-plus tracks with Nas, which is the third highest production catalog with Nas, behind Hip Boy and Salam Remy. So people who don't give LES enough credit in that regard for being a frequent go-to for Nas did most of the QB's finest album.
Speaker 4:And we got another anniversary. October 27, 2005 was 19 years ago when Jay and Nas appeared on the I Declare a War concert to squash their beef officially in front of the fans and LES was tasked, along with another producer, wildfire, to produce their first collaboration after the beat, which is black republicans, and you know it doesn't get a lot of credit for the beat, but I love the backdrop and I was like really hype about it at the time because it's from the Godfather 2, the scene where Vito Corleone is going to assassinate Don Fortuny. So you know, I think the grandiose nature of that scene that he used for the sample was appropriate for their first collaboration and I think it came out dope. Les is a dope producer representing QB and we wanted to shed some light on him today and give him his came out dope.
Speaker 1:Les is a dope producer representing QB and we wanted to shed some light on him today and give him his flowers. Well said, bro, well said. He did a lot of work on the I Am album. Definitely a Queens Bridge. Native Queens get the money. I think he has origins in Virginia as well. Very underrated, underrated producer.
Speaker 4:He founded Kwan, did he not?
Speaker 1:He did. He was one of the founders of Kwan.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Newport News yeah, he brought Kwan over Very underrated Glad to Discord. A good thing about our Discord and I put all the Discord links, our Facebook, twitter, ig, all that stuff is in there for you guys to click, like and subscribe, share and join our chats. Because the Discord we do it every week where we have the Discord select what we want to highlight. You know, last week we did Bone Thugs in Harmony. This week we're doing LES. This gives us a chance to have a conversation about those who are maybe underappreciated. We don't get a chance to get their flowers. So, again, you know we love to converse with you all throughout Discord. It's a live group. It's all day long, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and it's just talking hip-hop and life. So we definitely appreciate you all hyping in for that. But AG, you summed it up great man. I have nothing else to add to that. Shout out to LES, one of the best out there. Great Nas collaborator, great.
Speaker 2:Nas collaborator. I do want to say briefly that Great Minds Think Alike, the bonus track from my first album that I put on iTunes, comes from the same sample line that LES actually used on the Black Republican sample. Oh, wow, oh, wow, cool, yeah, because my first album actually came out the same year or the year after that. Uh, hip-hop is dead and all of that came out, but we had recorded the record around the same time that record it got recorded.
Speaker 2:So when we heard black republican we was like oh, oh shit yeah, shoot me that group.
Speaker 4:I'd like to listen to that I mean, actually it's on itunes.
Speaker 2:You can just go play my last song and then let it play to the end and there's a bonus track at the end.
Speaker 4:Oh, you did the classic hidden track where it just plays out. Yeah, yeah, the hidden track.
Speaker 2:If you just play the last track, it's called 704. That's my ode to Charlotte. But if you let 704 play out, there's a record track on the record, but it's got the same. It's got a similar godfather sample and it's a comparable beat actually to the black republican beat. You'll be able to see where the sample is the same when you hear it.
Speaker 2:That's kind of like that great minds thinking alike type of thing, and so that was the thing that I guess, tied me to les always. Always thought he was like a queens dude, but then it's like my dudes actually cooked up something that was comparable to something that he cooked up, and then I but then it's like my dude's actually cooked up something that was comparable to something that he cooked up, and then I was like it's like, oh, you want to know what he's kind of like the local neighborhood producers like my niggas are. You know what I'm saying yeah and that, and that's kind of how I looked at him when that moment happened. He's made a lot of great tracks for Nas. I think the track that he made that's most indicative of his style, though, is actually Suspect off. It Was Written.
Speaker 1:Love it.
Speaker 2:I think Suspect is the beat that's indicative of his style and what he tries to offer. When I think of LES, I think of Suspect. On it Was Written Shout out to LES for wanting the Discord dialogue. We're about to slide out of here briefly, but before we do, make sure everybody click, like and subscribe and share to our page all of our platforms on Facebook, twitter, instagram, tiktok, and we're going to get into the press play a little Halloween edition.
Speaker 2:Now I'm going to kick it off like I usually do and I'm going to preface this by saying Sean, when you sent me you and AG's list, I'd like to say that y'all are basic. That's right, you're basic. You're basic and you tried to take all the good songs but you couldn't. You're both terrible. You took the easy way out the nerve of these two niggas. I want everybody to send the nerve of these two niggas to send me a Halloween playlist and not pick any song from the only Halloween soundtrack that we've ever had. But I'm going to go ahead and get the press play started with my number one, which is actually from the only Halloween soundtrack hip hop has really ever had, which is Tales from the Hood, and the title song, tales from the Hood by Domino featuring Chill. So that's my number one Tales from the Hood. Yeah, remember Tales from the Hood.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Halloween list. And you don't even use the only rap Halloween album we ever had that was by the zone. The Inspector Deck joint was my favorite joint off that album that Inspector Deck joint is mid and when I listened to the Inspector Deck joint this nigga put the whole show last time defending Inspector Deck that he should have got the solo look.
Speaker 4:And now he's saying his first solo outing was mid when I listened to that Inspector Deck joint today that he should have got the solo look. And now he's saying his first solo outing was mid when I listened to that.
Speaker 2:I said this might be that bullshit that got Kappa put on before deck this might be that bullshit the tails from the hood the deck tails from the hood record. I said this that bullshit that got Kappa put on should have held this Put this away.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was a good backpedal. You know what I'm saying and ref put this away.
Speaker 2:yeah, that was a good backpedal you know what I'm saying and reframing it of it. But go on, proceed. Thank you for letting me continue with my list, which is actually good. Actually, the thief theme by Nas you all, yes, you know, seeing how a lot of people think that we're actually like Nas centric this is actually the song that actually represents like what Halloween was actually like in my neighborhood, because Halloween used to be like on the west side of Charlotte, like a good opportunity, quite frankly, to rob niggas. Next song Nighttime Vultures Great, well, you know, sean tried to pick Hell on Earth, right, sean? Blowing up your list. Blowing up your list. Sean tried to pick Hell on Earth by Mobb Deep on his list. You'll get to Sean's whack list in a minute. You'll get to Sean and AG's whack list in a minute. I actually thought I might pick.
Speaker 4:I'm the one that came up with the concept why you ain't doing my list.
Speaker 2:Why? What are you doing I? Why? Because he took my mind playing tricks on me from me, that's okay man, I'm a content creator over here. That's right, I'm blowing your list up. When AG took my mind playing tricks on me. I said this West Virginia nigga has a lot of nerve. I declare war.
Speaker 4:You sent your list at the 11th hour and you had the blueprint. I had mine on Monday.
Speaker 1:That's the point.
Speaker 2:Y'all's list was done. When y'all sent me the list I said these niggas have a lot of nerve.
Speaker 4:I came up with the concept early. Sean just bit off my concept.
Speaker 2:Nobody cares. You, niggas, tried to take all the good songs. Prodigy's best verse. You tried to take all the good songs, nigga, don't lie. Prodigy's verse.
Speaker 4:But we're basic.
Speaker 2:On Nighttime Vultures. You tried. I said you tried, but you failed. Nighttime Vultures is part of the reason why you failed, because this actually might be Prodigy's verse on Nighttime Vultures. Oh, this might be the best verse on the Hell on Earth album. I gotta give it up fast, better. But I'm about to say, even over Apostles warning, give it up fast. And hell on earth, which Sean tried to use, but he didn't use it right. You made it a hotline, I made it a hot song.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying Gotta, be faster than that Coop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and people decide.
Speaker 2:Next time call a nigga when you're making a Halloween list. We did.
Speaker 1:I had been prepping. Next time call a nigga when you're making a Halloween list. We did what do you mean? I had been prepping. I said yo, here's what AG did. I had copycat and yo it was a whole thing.
Speaker 2:It really was. It's a likely story. Back to my list, jason. By Jada Kiss.
Speaker 1:This is a good one oh Kiss, this is a good one.
Speaker 2:I know it's a good one. It's better than that crappy song that AG picked. That's on his list. That's about to come up.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, you're picking that song.
Speaker 2:I was like, let me pick the real song. This is Jason, with the actual Jason sample from Crystal Lake. The Crystal Lake actual Jason sample is actually on this record. This and all jokes aside, this is actually one of my 20 favorite Jadakiss records. If I was doing a Jadakiss versus, this would be one of the records that I'd pick. I do think that it's one of his best songs.
Speaker 4:I think it was just on a bad album. It's a great song, but that album wasn't good.
Speaker 2:It's a great song on a mid-album. I agree this on a mid-album. I agree Like this and Synergy and a couple other records on there, but it's like 17 or bangers. It was a disappointment as an album, but this is a great song. We're going to move to the next one. We're going to talk about this. This is AG's list too. Got the real serial killer AG. Real serial killer Doggy style nigga.
Speaker 1:Doggy style. He's in the 8th style.
Speaker 4:You're hitting an 8-mile you right now, man the poop is so hype about this list.
Speaker 2:it's crazy. This is my play-a-hater Halloween list. Stereo killer off one of the top five rap albums of all time. You're going to be seeing AG's list. You're going to notice he's going to pick a song that's similar, Not from a top five rap album.
Speaker 4:I'm shitting on Sean and.
Speaker 2:AG's list this Halloween.
Speaker 4:Hey, sean, we got to put the poll up on Twitter just to say humble Coop, because I don't think he got any votes last time. We did this. Man, man, twitter, twitter.
Speaker 2:Twitter and your Discord dialogue can dialogue these nuts, since we talking about doggy style Dialogue these nuts on Discord.
Speaker 4:Yo why you even pick pick a Snoop song. Coop, you ain't even hyped for his album.
Speaker 2:You said you don't care about the album. That has nothing to do with Doggystyle.
Speaker 4:Doggystyle was a top five rap album. This is the sequel to it, though.
Speaker 2:Hold on. Doggystyle's a top five rap album. This is arguably a top five song off a top five rap album.
Speaker 4:But his next joint might be a top five rap album though.
Speaker 2:Shit, believe that bullshit if you want to Might not even be a top five rap album this year.
Speaker 2:You talking about top five rap album. Shit might not even crack the top five Beats. Better be slamming them records, better be dope. Them records. Look like a mid-riff with a skirt. They do my next song once again from the Tales from the Hood soundtrack. You know, the only hip-hop soundtrack that actually celebrates Halloween while we're doing a Halloween list MC8. One less nigga. You know what I thought today you look like the album cover. One less nigga. One less nigga. No, no Gucci frames that nigga wearing. I ain't got no Gucci. I had the Gucci frames in Cali.
Speaker 4:Gucci frames before Dana Day.
Speaker 2:Look here, I'm not joking when I say this One less nigga by MC8. One less nigga by MC8. That might be the Republican Party theme music on election night. If they win, they might play. One less nigga by MC8. If Kamala lose, donald Trump and all his old ass, racist, ass, white friends, one Less Nigga. Last but not least, last but not least, and shame on both of you niggas for not picking this song, the number one Halloween song of all time, that represents hip hop Freaks. Come at Night by Houdini. That's why I is really mad at you niggas. You niggas want to sit up here and do a list. Send a list to me all late, nigga. You can't even pick the Freaks. Come At Night by Houdini. What's wrong with you, niggas?
Speaker 4:I'm surprised you didn't pick Nightmare On my Street by Fresh Prince, because you said he was the most underrated rapper of all time.
Speaker 2:on another show he might be one of the most underrated rappers.
Speaker 1:You said Miami, no you said D, you said Miami was top five one time.
Speaker 4:I wasn't knowing that show. I was glad I wasn't knowing that show, because I was watching FaceTime.
Speaker 2:I know you all made a Halloween list and neither one of you niggas picked Freeze. Come Out At Night by Houdini. That was by design no rapping ass niggas.
Speaker 1:It's been a part of your life, not rapping ass niggas. Yo, why you getting vertical?
Speaker 4:Can we get on to the better list?
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get to the real list.
Speaker 4:That was an okay list, Coop. I give you credit.
Speaker 1:That was cute, that was cute, that was cute, cute.
Speaker 2:Your niece in the incubator is cute. Nigga, my lips are classic. What kind of shit is this.
Speaker 4:Hey, man, that's triggering, man. I was in the incubator, I was in the incubator.
Speaker 2:What kind of shit is that? You trying to call me a crack baby too?
Speaker 1:That's some little niggas. That's why.
Speaker 2:Some little niggas. You got a lot of nerve with your skinny ass. What the fuck is that?
Speaker 1:I was born a monster.
Speaker 4:I mean I was born seven months I mean seven weeks early, so that's why I was pregnant. I made up for it, though.
Speaker 2:My daughter was born seven weeks early.
Speaker 4:AG my daughter was born seven weeks early.
Speaker 2:I was two weeks late. My mom was like nigga. She was like. She told me. She was like nigga, I was ready for you to come. She's like you were definitely stubborn. She was like you were stubborn before you got here. She's like you were. She never lie. Okay, get to your list, nigga. Nobody ask you questions. Alright, my bad.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, alright, this is my list. First up I got the Freddie vs Jason outro. This thing will hit up my whole list. Yo, this is an underrated collab album. Jada's my guy, but I will admit Fab got him on this whole album, but this intro is both of them rapping at top tier, and you know what I'm saying. The bar work that Fab did on the intro and then, you know, jadakiss came through and did his thing. His intro is one of the best hip-hop intros we've had in the last 20 years.
Speaker 2:Did you say that Fab got Jadakiss on this album?
Speaker 4:He did. I can admit that.
Speaker 2:I think he got him on Soul Food and I think he got him on Freddie vs Jason the song, but I don't think he got him on this album. I still think it's the wrong one.
Speaker 4:Go back and revisit it. The album I still think it's the wrong one. Go back and revisit it. The whole performance over there. I'd give the nod to Fab, and that takes a lot for me to admit as a Jada fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was impressed with this project. This was a top five project that year to me yeah, it didn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. This is a dope pairing and we always wanted to see them pair up in the early 2000s, when they both was you know what I'm saying really rising to stardom. But when it finally happened, I don't think people checked for it like they should have.
Speaker 2:This pairing was worth the money. I really enjoyed this project.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, but Jada didn't have See. No, before we go on real quick, I think Jada knew that Fab got him on this album. That's why he did Fab like that on the verses Like for real. You know what I'm saying Cats be mad, competitive and petty. I think that's why Jada did Fab like that.
Speaker 2:Put Fab in the body bag. Fab career ain't been the same since that verse. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Jada remember what happened when they was recording this album. That's why he did them like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, put what was left of his career over.
Speaker 4:Alright. Next, I got Monster, one of the best posse cuts of all time, especially the modern era. You know what I'm saying. I mean, look at what it did. It got Nicki's best verse of her career. You know what I'm saying. It's on this track and it's on a classic album. So you know this album's big time Monster on my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy. A lot of people's minds were blown when they first heard this song. So it's like that.
Speaker 2:I just personally think Soul Appalled is a superior Posse Cut record by far.
Speaker 4:It's better, but it's on the same album. It's a win-win, yeah, Win-win. And then we get to the real serial killer. You know what I'm saying. We got Method man and Red man on a slept on Blackout album. It wasn't classic, but it was a very great album and Serial Killer Day on there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:This RZA beat is actually pretty slept on, nice little spooky creeper beat and they did a thing on here. You know what I'm saying. So loved it. It's one of my favorite songs on the album, actually. Next I got one of my favorite Eminem songs. This might be top five Eminem songs for me, maybe 10 if I'm pushing it lower. But he's an escaped murderer. You know what a testament to who he is as an mc. The rhyme schemes and patterns that he uses on this song is insane. Now, this is just one of my favorite m songs. Like he's floating all over the track and we want to talk about dre production. Dre killed it on his beat. So it's one of my favorite m joints, the beat yes no, i's floating on here.
Speaker 4:Then we got this one, which is a crazy song. Damien off another classic album, dark as Hell Is Hot, is loosely based off of the classic horror flick called the Omen. The Omens, where a couple adopts a child named Damien and later find out that he's the Antichrist. So crazy movie. And this is based off of loosely based off of that where DMX is having, you know, a talk with somebody who he later finds out you know is the devil. But I like how he does both of the voices himself, like a feature a la Biggie on Give Me the Loop. So I really always gravitated to this song because he was doing things with his voice where it was like it was actually a whole other person on the song. So it was dope.
Speaker 2:So real quick, ag. I've always said that Slick Rick is actually the greatest with the dual voices. That's fair, yeah, I agree, but in fairness, dmx on its dark and hell is hot with Damien, and Stop being.
Speaker 1:Greedy.
Speaker 2:Oh, run for Slick Rick's money.
Speaker 4:Yes, x was special man. Rest in peace. Think about it. Think about Sl man. Rest in peace.
Speaker 2:And think about it. Think about Slick. Rick's voice is light and airy and British. He is accomplishing the same effect with a dark and gritty voice and offering us a lighter pitch and almost falsetto tone to offset the gravelly deep baritone. It is one of the more like. Dmx's vocal performance on it's Dark and Hell is Hot is one of the more brilliant moments in hip-hop history, and Damien and Stop being Greedy are at the top of the list as to why I love the pick. It's a masterclass, masterclass, it is Yep and it feels natural.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Next up. This is for my homie, sean queens. Get the money. You know I'm saying the guy queens wolf off of, uh, probably my least favorite nas project. Lost tapes, uh too, but this is one of the standout tracks for me.
Speaker 4:Nas has so many dope concept records that joints like this get lost in the shuffle. You know where he's talking about. Like you know, turning it into a night queen's wolf. You know I'm saying out there in the streets doing work. Um, I just think it was a brilliant concept and it just kind of got lost and buried in on this project. But he has so many records like this.
Speaker 4:This wouldn't even make his top 10 concept list but I thought it would be appropriate for a halloween joint. But I love that record and my last joint, um, I got a classic, might be one of the greatest hip-hop uh songs of all time. Like, if you're doing a list, this might crack the top 25 easily. Um, mine playing tricks on me. Um, we use two of the verses uh, for the bar seminar. We use a scarface verse and bushwick bill verse. Um, I personally think bushwick had the best verse on this, talking about um, you know some things, crazy things happen in halloween night. The whole song is about paranoia and early on this release around I think it was 91, I think this was the time the horrorcore rap subgenre was becoming a thing and Scarface and Ghetto Boys were kind of some of the ones that was in the forefront of that and, like I said, this is one of the greatest songs of all time.
Speaker 2:AG just real quick, because we're going to let Sean roll, because we've got to get out of here. You know, scarface wrote Bushwick Bill's verse right.
Speaker 4:I had heard that, but I didn't know if that was confirmed or not.
Speaker 2:That's a fact. So three of the four verses. So part of why I hold Scarface so high, because in my opinion he is the author, writing-wise, of two of the 50 greatest rap songs of all time. My Mind Playing Tricks On Me and Never Seen A man Die, because the only verse from my Mind Playing Tricks On Me it's a four-verse song. Scarface wrote three of the verses. He rapped two of them. He gave the other one to Bushwick. I mean, willie D's verse is classic, but he's essentially the author. I thought he wrote Willie D's verse and then Bushwick wrote it.
Speaker 4:Okay, so he wrote.
Speaker 2:I gotcha Alright, Right. So three of the four verses are actually face. So I mean not being funny, and the Willie D verse is a big verse. I got big money, I drive big cars Everybody know me, it's a big moment. But if you take his verse out and you just put the face verses in and it's just face rapping, it's still a top 10 rap song on top of my head shout out to the homie, aaron Myers man 4 verse song.
Speaker 4:Let's bring those back. Shout out to Aaron in the discord somebody doing this shit, nigga, it's not 1993.
Speaker 2:Nigga, sit your ass down somewhere. Somebody doing a 4 verse song, nigga, 3 or 4 verse is minimal. Shout out to Aaron, I don't even know how to read the track.
Speaker 4:Am I doing a four-verse song, nigga you?
Speaker 2:need those Three or four verses minimum. You don't even know, how to read the track on the fucking console anymore to do a 12-bar verse. Stop doing this shit, Sean. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yo, all right, so mine start with GOD, part 3. That beat within itself is a spooky beat. You know, hell on Earth was a very dark album within itself so of course it's easy to go with a song like this. Just the beat, the concept of on GOD part three, definitely definitely one of those. Hail Mary by Machiavelli I mean Tupac on the Machiavelli album, that Machiavelli album, when Hail Mary came out, that within itself to me was eerie. The beat, everything on his joint was just eerie because it came out right after he passed away. Just that song, the beat, everything that pop represented at the time, all of this was just an eerie time for me in 96. You can't leave out Gravediggers, can't leave out Gravediggers. I was going to go with the first album. The first album was more of that. What do they call it that hip-hop? That's horrorcore.
Speaker 2:The first one was horrorcore. To me, horrorcore, horrorcore, horrorcore.
Speaker 1:I was actually vibing to this album this week, to be quite honest, and I forgot how RZA was leaving earth on this album. Rza had some of the best mic performances on this album because this album was prepping him for the Cure. The Cure was about to come out during this time, but this is right after Wu-Tang Forever and RZA went crazy on this album. The tone of this album was different from the first album but again, can't leave out Gravedigger when you're talking about Halloween based songs. I like the first one better. The first one was crazy. It was different. I love this one because this one had more of a different. It was a different message in this one. Definitely love the Hitman, not Hitman, I'm sorry, the 2001. You guys know this joint Dr Dre. You really can't go wrong with this one. Again. I don't know why Coop left this one out, maybe because I picked it before he got a chance to pick it, since he's a big Dr Dre fan.
Speaker 3:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1:It's one of those ones as well, and I don't know why Coop left this one out too. Because you are a big Clips fan, Nightmares.
Speaker 2:Stop stealing my shit, I'm sorry, stop stealing my shit.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, stop stealing my shit. I'm just saying you know what I think. This I thought about you and AG.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you did.
Speaker 1:Both of you's love and the clips and I was like yo let me get this where they get it, but this is what I don't.
Speaker 2:That's one of the best endings to one of my favorite rap albums. It is Definitely, I said to myself. I said this nigga, sean has a lot of money. Pick the end into a Cool G rap album. Corona Queens Some bullshit.
Speaker 1:This is where the dough is. Man Pharrell went crazy on this beat. Man, I love this song and I had to go with X is Coming, that beat. X is Coming 1, 2, x is Coming 4, yo, I bust my mom's neon. She had is coming one, two, x is coming for you, yo I'll bust my mom. I bust my mom's on neon. She had a dodge neon and I was driving that joint like like an automa back then skating through the streets and I remember busting her speakers playing this joint. Man almost got my behind beat.
Speaker 1:This was an intense song in dodge, in a dodge, the whole album is intense. It was intense, yo man. It was yeah. Yeah, this was like you asked earlier, coop. This is one of the songs that changed everything for hip-hop.
Speaker 3:It took us out of the single-songy and the flashback.
Speaker 2:It was one of those things in the post-censorship era of hip-hop People don't understand. Era of hip-hop, people don't understand. So in 1999, I did my senior exit essay on censorship because, as I fell in love with hip-hop, people have to understand. In the 90s, trying to censor hip-hop and the things that you could say and do on the microphone was a really, really big deal. One of the biggest opposers of this was Tupac, and so hip-hop actually winning that battle opened up the space for DMX, quite frankly, to make hip hop his therapy couch, with songs like X is Coming and Damien.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It was one of those ones. It was dangerous and I had to go with Hell on Earth Frontlines. I thought even just the video itself was very dark, very eerie. Again, I didn't realize how dark Hell on Earth really was when I went back and listened to it again, because you get to you guys point, you get lost into how Prodigy elevated his rap game. You know, prodigy elevated from the infamous to Hell on Earth like crazy. That's when you start having that conversation. Was Prodigy the king of New York or was he in that conversation? As being one of those, I think we got so caught up into that Me, I personally got caught up into that and forgot how dark this album really was. They were talking about Jihadi, they were talking about everything in this album.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what Hell on Earth is so revered for Prodigy's mic performance and listen to what I'm about to say. I'm not saying he's a better producer all the time, but the drums on Hell on Earth that Havoc did, those are better than the drums on all the Tribe projects. He took what Q-Tip taught him and he leveled up. Too often people talk about Q-Tip and they talk about Dilla Havoc made it darker.
Speaker 2:They need to talk about Havoc. He made the drums dark and heavy Like those light kicks that Q-Tip was doing On Hell on Earth. Havoc is taking, like the drums that are on Drink Away the Pain. He's taking those same drums that are on Give Up the Good and Drink Away the Pain, and he is making them dark and eerie. Never has the dark and eerie sounded so good hip-hop wise, production wise like it does on hell on earth it is one of the more masterful production jobs all time.
Speaker 2:That doesn't get talked about. How about this, even though it's their third album? The jump, production-wise, that Havoc experienced as a producer and a beatmaker on Hell on Earth as opposed to the Infamous, is very comparable. The Q-tips jump from people's instinctive to the low-end theory and it doesn't get talked about enough. The beats on Hell on Earth are low-end theory, comparable in terms of the jump and the quality and the classic nature. It's just the subject matter is more street and so people try to make it seem like it's not as hip hop. Hell on Earth to me, production wise, I don't know about importance wise, impact wise because of the jazz influence, but if we're just talking about the beats, production wise, hell on Earth is just as good as the Low End Theory, and I don't say that about very many albums and it's not any.
Speaker 4:I agree with that too. It's just as good as the Low End Theory, but I'm talking about personal impact versus overall impact. Hell on Earth if I'm thinking albums in my head, hell on Earth is one of the few albums where you listen to it and it just changes your mood.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It does.
Speaker 2:You want to stab a nigga with an ice pick and go run a couple bricks up State?
Speaker 4:New York. Yeah, that's a personal level of impact.
Speaker 2:There are niggas in New York that have probably caught felonies because of that album, and I'm not joking.
Speaker 1:For absolutely no reason and you don't even know why I was mobbing out on that mob shit.
Speaker 2:That nigga said something to me. I just busted the whole nigga face up. I didn't even know what I did until it was done.
Speaker 1:And you know what Crazy thing fellas the anniversary is tomorrow, november 1st 1996. November 1st 1996.
Speaker 4:Well, it's appropriate. Salute to Hell on Earth by Mobb Deep.
Speaker 2:I think I mean Hell on Earth to me. So there's some. My three biggest underrated classics of all time all come from groups Hell Half, no Fury by the Clips. Hell on Earth by Mobb Deep Illidelf. Half-life by the Roots by Mobb Deep Illadelf. Half-life by the Roots. Those are the three main classic albums that I feel like are all-time great albums that don't get talked about like they are all-time great albums, not saying people don't say that it's classic, not saying people don't talk about it, but don't talk about it like they should. People don't talk about Hell on Earth like they should because the Infamous has I 4, and I, survival of the fittest, give up the goods. But Hell on Earth beginning to end is actually better than the Infamous Beginning to end.
Speaker 4:It's kind of funny you bring that up.
Speaker 2:It's only the high levels that balance it out. If Hell on Earth is missing, I mean if the Infamous. If you take one of those all-time great songs off the Infamous and slide it on Hell on Earth, Hell on Earth is a better album. If you put Give Up the Goods on Hell on Earth, Hell on Earth is better than the Infamous, Basically.
Speaker 4:Yeah, infamous has higher highs, but I think Hell on Earth is better. But another thing that hurts Hell on Earth Murder Music is the first time Mob went platinum Right, so Hell on Earth, being sandwiched in between those two hurts it.
Speaker 1:Great points for both of you.
Speaker 2:You can't be releasing songs with the start of the song is the minute that you talk about shooting a nigga out of the building window and all they hear is gunshots out the window. You're not going platinum when you're doing that.
Speaker 1:You guys got good points, but check this out, though. I got the big joker. The other thing I heard on Hell on Earth, machiavelli came out November 5th. Wow, good night, good night. He came out a week, that was probably intentional too.
Speaker 2:He's probably like little Mobb Deep niggas dropping. Let me go ahead and cut that shit off too.
Speaker 1:Remember, machiavelli dropped after Pac's death Right, right, right, I mean because, if you remember, it came out five. What? Four days later, after the fall on Earth?
Speaker 4:But it was already completed, so he had already planned on probably doing that this is what I mean about how the industry works.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm pretty sure Pac knew the drop of Jim on him was around. Oh for sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So.
Speaker 2:Pac's original plan might have been to drop right after the Circa event. Drop A Gym on them. Drop A Gym is a top 10 diss record all time. That's a top 10 diss record and they're dissing somebody that there are guys that are better than them, but they can't diss them the way they are.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean about freaks.
Speaker 2:Like J Big and Nas can't talk like that on record, exactly Right Flashback to the house because you got scuffed and you would think to get in your head shots. But enough, but then. Must have been drunk when you wrote that shit Must have been drunk when you wrote that shit must have been drunk when you wrote that shit. Like when you talk like, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They talking different because their status ain't like that it's like no, no, no, we can talk to this nigga yes, you fearless and that's what I loved about them, because, um hell on earth.
Speaker 4:And when CNN came out with the War Report, I think that gave us different lenses of what Queensbridge was.
Speaker 2:How about this? Drop a gem on them is why I can never really look at the Long Kiss Good Night like a diss record, like people say it is. You feel me, because it's like if you're going to get at the champ, you're gonna get at the champ. You got to get at the champ while they're here, you know you can't be dancing around it and being asleep.
Speaker 2:All the bars and metaphor, all the bar seminar, all that, at some point you know the beat gotta drop in there. You feel what I'm saying, like, at some point, the beef. That's how this shit get handled.
Speaker 4:And so people call Longkiss and not get a diss record.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, drop a gem on them, it's a diss record. Longkiss can not get a diss record.
Speaker 4:It's a little too old and mom was saying everything that people were saying in the streets about what happened when Pop was in jail. Like mom took it right, right, so that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying so when Biggie's saying shit like slugs missed you. I ain't mad at you, we ain't mad at you. It's like no, no, no, no, no. It's like I feel you on a lyrical level, I don't feel you on that level that it's like, oh well, you're really not handling this the way Mom is.
Speaker 4:But here's the caveat they don't specifically say Pop's name. So the content is there. Everybody knew who they were talking to, but just because, like what Ken would say, when I take flight it's going to be direct, they didn't say Pop's name and that's why it's underrated.
Speaker 2:So this is what I mean when Biggie's saying slugs, miss you, I ain't mad at you. That's the same thing as when Havoc is like kick that thug shit, it's a wink. You know what I'm saying Love shit, keep it real because you don't know who you fucking with? Yes, like that's different. Like Big's jab is kind of like ha ha ha. Mob's jab is like bring your ass back to the city one more time.
Speaker 1:Right, it's different. Pull back up. Pull back up the intention is different.
Speaker 2:Big's intention is to kind of be slick. Ma's intention is like nah, nigga, you got a problem, pull up. That's different when you got beef, that's different when you got beef it's like nigga, don't talk, slick to me when we got a problem. It's like, nigga, you got a problem, pull up.
Speaker 2:Big had more charisma so he had more style, right. So he getting away with it, but he getting away with it. They're giving him a pass for Long Kiss, goodnight is what I'm saying, and so I don't elevate that record. I downgrade that record because of that Great song diss record. Just okay, drop a gem on them. Great diss record. It's just a great diss record. It's just a great diss record on an album where, song-wise, there's about seven or eight songs better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, facts Good segment, fellas Good segment. We had some really good off-links.
Speaker 4:That's the whole playlist, but before we get out man.
Speaker 2:Playlist sucks Crazy.
Speaker 4:Before we get out here.
Speaker 1:We'd be remiss if we didn't say rest in peace to the homie clark kent man, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4:You know I'm saying like, yeah, we, we just gotta say rest in peace to clark. You know I'm saying, sean man, you are having sneaker heads. I follow clark not just in the hip-hop sphere but in the sneaker world as well. Mad Nike man, have more uptowns than anybody. You know what I'm saying? And just seemed like he was.
Speaker 2:Gotta start losing these guys.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's, you know, everybody take care of yourself. And he just seemed like all around great person and somebody who was a hip hop like historian, who was a hip hop advocate like who he-hop advocate. He was always doing interviews and talking about all the great aspects of hip-hop. He was an ambassador.
Speaker 2:I love people who are responsible for moments. I love people who are responsible for moments almost as much as I love the moment, are responsible for moments almost as much as I love the moment, sometimes more. And so if him being in big shit about J being so nice prompted the second verse to who shot you, like he said, then I'm all for Clark Kent, because that's actually what hip hop's about. Now here's the thing. I think the first verse of who shot you is way better than the second verse, in my opinion. In my I think the first verse of who Shot you is way better than the second verse in my opinion.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, the first verse and that first verse is like that's not Notorious BIG, that's Biggie Smalls. Kind of like how like Halftime Well, that's not. And Live at the Bar, that's Nasty Nas. So it's like the first verse of who shot you? That's Biggie Smalls. You know what I mean. That's Bed-Stuy Brooklyn in the house. But the fact that Clark has been close enough to a guy like Jay and a guy like Big that he's in position to tell a story about how he's on tour and Junior Mafia is looking at him crazy for talking about Jay like this to Big.
Speaker 4:He's pulling Jay out of the streets. If he didn't have Clark, who knows, we might not ever get Jay?
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely, no, no, no, we don't get Jay without Clark. Jay. Clark is the guy. Clark and Dame are the guys that are telling Jay that he's the nicest nigga in the streets next to Big and Nas. They're like no, you're just as good as Biggie and Oz. We got to get you out of here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that he had to tap into his gift and you know, like.
Speaker 2:Jay believed he was good as Biggie and Oz. That's not enough, you know what I'm saying? Like especially at the point that they had ascended to where they ascended to. So Clark is super important, because if you think that Jay-Z is the greatest MC of all time, clark Kent is actually the guy who spotted it first.
Speaker 4:Guys, clark is actually the first guy to be like yeah, this is when Jay-Z was still doing the iggity flow. Clark still thought he was like the best out.
Speaker 2:Jay is doing that in my lifetime. Bullshit, Right yeah iggity flow. And Jay is think about it, the nigga's doing that in my lifetime bullshit and he's telling Big after Ready to Die. This nigga's better than you. I think that this nigga did this record. It's like nigga. I just made Ready to Die yeah, like Ready to Die at the time that it got made, and it still might be to some people, but Ready to Die when it got made was a top 10 rap album all time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at the time, for sure I still think that it's arguably top 20, but when it got made, it's a top 10 rap album all time. There's not 10 rap albums better than Ready to Die all time in August of 1994. Not 10. No, no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't Not 10. No, no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't Not 10. No, no. So Clark is listening to that guy that just made a top 10 rap album all time and it's like I know a nigga better. I know a nigga better than you.
Speaker 4:But that's where Clark was Clark.
Speaker 2:Newtown. Furthermore, if you're drunk, I'm going to push you down a flight of steps. Let you break your legs right quick. Sit down at the boards. Keep making my beats. Stop talking about this, nigga. Jay, make my beats, nigga. That's why your legs broke, nigga. Now make the beats. Shut the fuck up. Talk about this, nigga.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Clark man for getting on the hook to Brooklyn's Finest. They left him there, went to the club Homie was under pressure. I don't like it but I respect them for doing it.
Speaker 2:The hook is the worst part of the song. I actually think it hurts the all-time greatness of the song. It is why I put it on. How about this Bar work-wise? Brooklyn's Finest is on life's a bitch level. Life's a bitch hook and beat is so much better. That's how I look at Brooklyn's Finest.
Speaker 1:Life's a Bitch cadence though. Man. Nas cadence on there, A's cadence on there that's what I mean it's the better record.
Speaker 2:But it's the better record mostly because the beat is better and the hook is better.
Speaker 4:I have a hard time comparing Brooklyn's Finest to Life's a Bitch, because I think both duos are doing two different things. I more so like to compare Brooklyn's Finest to Fast Life, with G-Rap and Nas as far as what they're doing mic performance-wise, and it's a Queens versus Brooklyn thing and the back and forth. Really going forward with bars where Life's a Bitch is more of a concept record.
Speaker 2:Who do you think is better on?
Speaker 4:Brooklyn's Finest, jay or Big, I say it's Dead Even.
Speaker 1:I think it's Dead Even too. And I say it's a lot for Jay, that it's Dead, even with Big, who he was at that time.
Speaker 2:So there's three verses, right, they both split the verses. Yeah, I gave Big two of those three, so I'll tell you Big's better on Brooklyn's finest I can live with that.
Speaker 4:I think Jay's metaphors are more witty.
Speaker 1:I do Nigga, please like short sleeves or bare arms. Yeah, but I think Big had more bite to him. I think he had more bite on that second verse, that next verse he had. He stepped it up.
Speaker 4:Big had delivery that Jay didn't have. Yet yeah. He was in such a pocket.
Speaker 1:He was just in that pocket man.
Speaker 4:And Big's voice is going to be better.
Speaker 2:Brooklyn's Finest feels more like a competition. Yes, fast Life feels more like a rap record.
Speaker 1:Fast Life compliments each other. Fast Life feels to me like it record. Fast Life compliments each other.
Speaker 4:Fast Life to me is a pass. Another torch.
Speaker 1:It was a compliment.
Speaker 2:It's complimentary, though I look at it like it's like Fast Life is kind of like Twin Towers. You know what I'm saying? Brooklyn's finest is like Clash of the Titans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I respect that you know what I'm saying. The vibe is different.
Speaker 2:It's like G-Rap already know Nas got next when Fast Life is going on Big don't know, jay got next.
Speaker 4:He's being told that, but he got to see it to believe it. Right, right, big is't know. Jay got next. He's being told that, but he got to see it to believe it. Right right Big is like I got now. Who the fuck is this nigga?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no one know Jay had next.
Speaker 2:And even though Jay's bars are more witty I think Big recognize that and that's why his bars are more potent, Like when he says stuff like sprinkle coke on the floor, make it drug related, or when he goes if they have twins, she probably have two pops. He's doing what Jay does. He's doing what Jay does, but doing what he does simultaneously. It's like no nigga, I can go get 30, but I can get 15 rebounds and 15 assists.
Speaker 2:Shoot your dog in the calf muscle fucking tussle, yeah, like he's pretty much like for me Brooklyn's finest is him telling Jay, it's like you can go get 30 and 10, I can go get 30, 15 and 15 yeah, big as a witty guy too.
Speaker 4:He's like, yeah, I'm witty too.
Speaker 2:I think he's wittier than how. How about this? He's not wittier than Jay. He's funnier than Jay, so Jay's a better punchline.
Speaker 4:Jay's more dry.
Speaker 2:But Big's funnier. When Jay says shit, it's meant to pierce you. Big says some shit, then when you think about it you're like hold on. What the fuck? Like? When he goes, this bitch is tripping, disappearing like Arsenio Like. When he says shit like that, you're like hold on. It's like hold on. It's like yo this nigga funny.
Speaker 1:He brings a comedy, he brings you in from a comedy perspective Right. But he can also get straight to the point, right.
Speaker 2:Like a T-bone steak I was about to say a T-bone steak cheese, eggs and Welch's grape. I was about to say a T-bone steak cheese, eggs and.
Speaker 4:Welch's grape, I think. If we're talking comedic delivery, I think Big is more Chris Rock and Jay is more Chappelle.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I'm with that, because Chris Rock makes the insightful dissertation about the plight of us as a people, but Dave Chappelle makes it a one-on-one situation, and so I do agree with that. Because Dave Chappelle will talk about an issue that we have as a people, but he'll talk to you about it one-on-one and Rock, will you know?
Speaker 4:the setup will be built, and it was like that. How about this?
Speaker 2:the setup will be built and it was like that. How about this? Dave Chappelle will talk to you about when he got pulled over by the police, while he was happy he didn't get shot. Chris Brock will explain to you in that same scenario, why you need to know all of your rights. Yeah, you feel me? Chris Brock will break down for you and be like they didn't mean like this. They ain't supposed to be doing this shit, nigga, but they did it to me. You want to know why? Because I'm a nigga. Dave Chappelle will be like nigga. I'm so happy that when they fucking stopped me, they didn't kill my black ass.
Speaker 2:Like oh shit, you should have seen these racist ass cops when they pull me over, you know what. I'm saying Chris Rock would be like these racist ass cops. Didn't think that I knew my rights.
Speaker 1:I can dig it. I can dig it yeah.
Speaker 2:And so that's. That would be the nuance of the difference, but we got to get out of here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got to get out of here. Yo, we appreciate y'all. We got a regular job nigga.
Speaker 2:You niggas got regular jobs. Sitting there playing all night night hanging out with you niggas on YouTube.
Speaker 1:We still got people in the chats, we got people on the live. Still, we appreciate the love.
Speaker 3:We appreciate y'all man.
Speaker 2:You niggas need to go home too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nah go to the Discord. Go to the after part of the Discord.
Speaker 4:Y'all have a safe Halloween night out there for all y'all going to the Halloween after parties yo.
Speaker 2:Indeed, indeed, peace To all you people going to.