HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
J. Cole Was Inevitable? + Treach, Tical, Ice Cube, Nas, AND MORE!
What if the Wu-Tang Clan had kicked off their solo careers with Ol' Dirty Bastard instead of Method Man? In this lively episode of Hip Hop Talks, we throw out that provocative question while celebrating the anniversaries of iconic albums like Method Man's "Tical," Ice Cube's "The Predator," and Foxy Brown's "Ill Na Na." As hoodie season kicks in, we also give a shout-out to black fathers and set the stage with fun banter about the chill in the air. Our exploration of Cordae's new album paints a picture of where he stands in the hip-hop landscape today, drawing comparisons with legends like Kendrick, J. Cole, and DMX.
From the intricate dynamics within Wu-Tang Clan to the ongoing evolution of hip-hop identity, we dive into heated debates and lighthearted laughs. The episode examines the strategic release order of Wu-Tang's solo albums and weighs in on whether Future truly deserves a spot in hip-hop's "big three." We analyze Dave East's latest project, "Living Proof," sparking discussions on generational shifts and the challenges modern artists face in establishing their unique voices. Alongside, we feature a spotlight on Tretch from Naughty by Nature, delving into his often-overlooked contributions and lyrical prowess.
Our journey doesn't stop there; we venture into the creative collaborations of Nas and Hit-Boy, and chat about hidden hip-hop gems that deserve more attention. We recount intriguing stories of musical influences, from Andre 3000's rise to the impact of Southern legends. With a nod to J. Cole's recent project rollout and a critique of Snoop and Dre's latest efforts, this episode is jam-packed with insights, laughter, and a deep love for the music that continues to shape the culture. Tune in as we wrap it all up with reflections on timeless grooves and mustache trends, proving once more that hip-hop is more than just music—it's a vibrant and ever-evolving conversation.
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Speaker 2:Peace, peace.
Speaker 1:Happy Thursday fellas. Welcome to Hip Hop Talks. Yo, peace, peace. Happy thursday fellas. Welcome to hip hop talks and coop. Shout out to all the black fathers out there black dad gangs, back in the house, hoodies for the wintertime season. As usual, I'm with the home team, sean ag, how we doing people good, just cold hoodie season.
Speaker 2:we all got the hoodies on, cold as fuck.
Speaker 1:Cold as fuck, ag. We was talking, sean, while you was handling some of the admin stuff, me and AG was talking. I was like yo. I was like shoot. Ag was like yeah, it's a cold front in West Virginia. I was like shit, it's a cold front everywhere. It's like I had to put the heater down here today for the first time.
Speaker 3:It was 80 degrees yesterday and today where I came from. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Sean be like I was chilling in Boca Raton yeah. I mean, you know, there were 15 super bottles. They were all lined up by my rental vehicle.
Speaker 3:No, what Jay said, you know, we switched places to get the chance to forecast.
Speaker 2:You're not allowed to quote, jay.
Speaker 1:first of all, you're definitely not, you are the Jay hater on here.
Speaker 3:I'm not the Jay hater, I'm the realist when it comes to it, you're not the Jay hater.
Speaker 1:No, you are a hater.
Speaker 2:No, don't quote Jay man. You need to stop that. Yeah, you need to stop that it's not becoming of you. To quote Jay man, you need to stop that.
Speaker 1:It's not becoming of you, to quote Jay man. That's great. It's so ridiculously out of pocket. You need to get it together.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, we already got some super chats coming in, so let's go ahead and get to 007 with the 199 super chat Queens. Get the money. That's for you, sean, that's not for us. What y'all think of Cordae's new album? We actually about to talk about it. That's actually going to be a topic matter. I actually have some questions for the fellas to ask specifically about that album, because I think it's an interesting album and an interesting time in his career and in the space of hip hop and Cordae is an interesting artist to identify with the times. So we're definitely going to get to that 007.
Speaker 1:We got a lot to get into today, fellas, so we just need to go ahead and jump right in. You know we always have our segment where we like to celebrate the anniversaries of important hip-hop albums and seminal hip-hop moments. Quick rundown of what we have today. We have To Cow by Method man, the first solo release from the Wu-Tang Clan that came out November 15, 1994. We have the Predator by Ice Cube, which came out November 17, 1992. We have Method man again, fourth quarter, because Method man has always been a numbers guy. It's Cal 2000, judgment Day, november 17th 1998. And we have the illustrious Foxy Brown with the Ill Nana which is coming out November 19th 1996. Fellas, give me some of your thoughts about some of these albums. I want to pinpoint something about one of these albums and kind of keep it pushing. If you all want to kind of like do the same, that's cool. If you kind of want to run through them all, that's fine with me too, but go ahead alright for sure.
Speaker 2:You know we did a little discussion about to Cal I think it was a week or two ago talking about debut albums that didn't quite hit that classic mark that had the expectations as such. Even though this album is not a classic, it's still an album I love and hold near and dear. You know RZA man, rza was in a different kind of bag with this album. You know me and Sean talk about this album a lot. It's real dark, it's real damp, it's gritty. You got to be in a certain mood you know what I'm saying To really appreciate this album, like I'm sure that they was. You know smoking something crazy. You know making the beats. I was listening to some crazy the other day. That's probably one of my favorite joints on the album and that's just like. You know, it's just like a dark chamber man Like you know what I mean. This is like for me. For me, to cal is like a rap, uh, pink floyd album, if that makes sense. You know what I'm saying as far as like where it takes you. You know what I mean. So that's why I always uh, loved about to cal. As far as the predator goes, um, you know ice cube at this point in his career was, uh, my favorite of all time him and Scarface, because I hadn't discovered Nas yet in 1992. But what was interesting about the Predator?
Speaker 2:I think that I don't want to say this was his first miss, because it's a solid album, but it was the first thing that Ice Cube had put out up until that point. That wasn't classic material, you know, because he had Straight Outta Compton, he had America's Most Wanted Death Certificate and you know, in between those two, the Kill it Will it LP I mean EP. So this was the first thing he put out that wasn't a classic but very, very Jay-Z. Like the song Good Day is associated with this album. It's an all-time hit. Good uh, today was a good day is arguably a top 20 hip-hop song of all time. No, I wouldn't say no lower than 25, maybe you know what I mean and that's associated with this album. So even though the album wasn't on par with his other material, I think the Ice Cube still represented and had an all-time classic song coming from this album. But it's actually not my favorite. My favorite joints on this album is when Would they Shoot? And Wicked actually.
Speaker 1:So Sean, jump in, tell me some of your thoughts about some of these albums. Today, tkl is.
Speaker 3:I'm going to age you on TKL In real time. Tkl was everything to me, kicking off with it, the lead song to that Biscuits Bring the Pain. All I Need, the original, all I Need. You could tell that they needed to update that one just because of you can't have street life on that hook. That was a situation where you're going inside, you're keeping inside the camp, but we didn't know who street life was at that time.
Speaker 3:You know, he was just someone on Mel's side of the fence. Mel for a chef is still one of my favorite joints. Going back and forth what the Blood Clot was one of the first joints I memorized Going to school rapping that joint, getting in trouble, rapping in front of the teachers, sub Crazy was always crazy. But Atial Death is the motivational one. That's the one that gets you. That's the Rocky song and again RZA zoning out, rza taking a Rocky beat, flipping it and making it grimy, making it grungy and Meth going crazy on it.
Speaker 3:I think we look back at this album in hindsight and say Meth was a star because he was a star off into the Woonstown 36 Chambers. He was a star, right, he was the one setting the tone for the clan to come after. But I think because he was the first one to set the tone, he also was the one that suffered the most in that first round of solo joints because I think RZA was still trying to figure out that sound and he was still latching on to Into the 36th Sound. That sound was still dark and damp, which is great. We still love it. It was still grungy and grindy. But you know again, I think he was a victim of RZA still trying to sharpen his sword at that time.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to ask either one of you niggas any T2 Judgment Day questions, because y'all are some fucking Wu-Tang heads and y'all already said too much about Takao and I actually have some Takao thoughts. I'd like to get off as a Wu-Tang fan, so we're not even going to talk T2 Judgment Day. What about Il-Nana fellas?
Speaker 2:Um, yo that you know. That's funny, though, coop, because Sean actually does have a good story around T2 Judgment Day, somebody? Wants to hear Sean's he said that was the first time he got back from boot camp right.
Speaker 1:Yo son, I stepped off the basketball court. This is after I was in boot camp. For 17 days straight I did 97,000 binkies. I scored 52 points in the game. I stepped off 13 shorties, coop. 13 shorties, 13 shorties, wow.
Speaker 2:Shaw got a picture of him holding up a 12 for 12 points, like Will held up the 100.
Speaker 3:I'm going to have to energy for this tonight.
Speaker 1:You want to know, what I apologize, I started.
Speaker 2:My fault.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go ahead, I'm going to own that.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go ahead, but not, but not always always found that dope, that uh, that was the first album, that and Bobby digital when he came home from bootcamp. So he always referenced those albums. But it'll not not um real quick. Foxy is my favorite female MC of all time. I love this album. Yeah, I love Fox. I love this album Not quite a classic and I think it just came at the wrong time, overshadowed by Lil' Kim's Hardcore the same year and just in a stacked year 1996. I don't even know as dope as this album is, I don't know if it makes the top 10 albums of 96. I don't think it'll make it. I don't think it's placed in there.
Speaker 1:but I love fox though this is fab five, freddie talking to tupac sorry ng go but um, but yeah, but that's pretty much it, man.
Speaker 2:I love this album. Love fox. Shout out to fox. She's my favorite female mc but it just came out the wrong time and a stacked year and a direct competition with Kim, which, hardcore, is the better album of the two and, you know, I don't know if it makes the top 10 of 96, but overall, a solid, solid effort. I would give it four and a half mics. Love that album.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't give it four and a half and it's not a top 10 rap album in 96. Thank you to neither one of those things. I have some positive things to say about Fox Sean. You got anything you want to say about Ilana.
Speaker 3:I kind of disagree with you, aj. I don't think in real time we felt that Fox was that far off from killing. These albums came out, I think, a week apart from one another. It was real close. I feel like it was close A week or two apart from one another. Um, when this album came out, there was so much, so much ramped up around it, man, because fox is on, like these features, smoking jay on. Um, you know the joint that she had with him and it starts.
Speaker 2:Here we go she did have the best verse on the uh I shot you uh.
Speaker 1:Remix on the ll joint oh yeah, I think Prodigy's verse is better, it's real close, I think. Fox's delivery. I think she has the best delivery on the song.
Speaker 3:Definitely best delivery, definitely. And there was so much hype around her because she was part of the firm. She was also affiliated with Jay. The only one that can say that she was affiliated with Jay and Nas at the same time, same time. The only one that can sit at a young age, dr Gate. She already got co-signed by two legends in the making at that time, as a teenager, as a teenager, as a holding her own and talking. You know talking that talk. So in real time, you know, I think, what happened with. And then she also had Def Jam backing her too, and Def Jam back and her is a monster, that's a monster backing you.
Speaker 3:Early At your first album, you got Def Jam backing you and you got Jay on there. You got Jay writing for you. You got Nas writing for you. So I think it fell flat to some. Like you said, ag, just because you probably wanted more from it. You probably wanted more songs that could play on the radio, because at the time we weren't getting some of these songs like that. You had to listen to these songs on the radio. I think the lead single was on the joint with Blackstreet, right, yeah, but it's not in comparison to what Kim was doing.
Speaker 2:She was looking cold in that video, so I remember that back in the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no time was crushing to take you home now. Yeah, so fellas, a couple things, if I may step in for a moment. Yeah, what if I told you that Wu-Tang Clan got this wrong all along and that Method man shouldn't have gone first, because the problem with Takao is that, well, rza hadn't figured out Method man totally as an artist yet in terms of how to make beats, form that work totally yet Like, even though it's dope, it's not a perfect fit. And what if I told you that Method man has an MC actually sounds better lyrically right after Takao than he does on Takao with Redman on the Purple Tape?
Speaker 2:on Liquid.
Speaker 1:Sports. You know what I'm saying on all the feature stuff that he does. What if I tell you that old Dirty Bastard goes first Because it's RZA's cousin? And I bet you Dirty had more of his shit built to go? Because if you listen to Protect your Neck, Dirty pretty much spits out the first three to four songs on Return to the 36 Chambers. On the first time you hear Dirty on Protect your Neck, Shame on you when you step to the old Dirty Bastard straight from the Brooklyn Zoo. Dirty had his shit together. That's RZA's cousin.
Speaker 1:I think the real misstep is that Dirty actually should have went first. Meth should have went second, because I think if Dirty goes first, Dirt's album still sounds the same. I think Meth and the pressure are going first and the fit of it in terms of RZA not knowing how to specifically make a beat specifically for Method man. Method Man's not all over into the Wu-Tang, like people think he's just the biggest star. He's not all over the tracks. Like people think he's just the biggest star, he's not all over the tracks. Like Ray is he's not all over it. Like Deck is he's not. You get what I'm saying Outside of a solo shot in the hook on Cream. He's not on the album. A lot guys.
Speaker 2:Can I give a rebuttal?
Speaker 3:Please do.
Speaker 2:I think that's definitely revisionist history and it doesn't work. Here's a couple of reasons why Meth was signed to Def Jam, which was the biggest label out of any solo artist. So he had deadlines and they were going to push him, you know, the fastest to get out. Dirt dropped in March, like March or April of 95, though yeah he was on Elektra, but still, def Jam is Def Jam, you know. And then they had a you know promotion-wise.
Speaker 1:We're talking six months. We're talking two quarters.
Speaker 2:But that's just the surface level. Then you got the fact that Meth was obviously you got to strike, while the iron's hot. He was the biggest star on 36. So you got to roll with the hot hand. Like you know, I'm saying you're playing ball, you feed the the hot hand.
Speaker 2:That's just the rules of engagement there wasn't far behind now when conversational, it was conversational about who the bigger star was if you said genius, if you said jZA, then I would kind of be on board with that, because he was the only one that had an album out previously. He was a vet, but genius wasn't commercially viable and we were still trying to make a name for themselves.
Speaker 1:And Liquid Scores is the type of album that you construct and build.
Speaker 2:Right, and I agree with you about as far as RZA constructing the sound. I don't think it's that he couldn't make a beat for Method man. I think that was good for Method Man's chamber because a dark chamber fits him, but I think that it wasn't as grandiose as the Cuban link, the Iron man bag, which fits more Ray and Ghost's personality. But here's the thing. I'll tell you the real reason why this doesn't work, for Dirty coming first. It's well documented how much it was like pulling teeth trying to get Dirty to the studio to finish that album. So your first time out the gate with a solo person representing the Klan and you gotta meet certain deadlines. I don't know if I put all the chips in on Dirty to accomplish that feat. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I would submit to you that. That's actually why I would do it, because part of the problem getting the nigga in the studio is they actually had time to garner shows and show money, which sent him out and about. If he's the one that's coming right after the follow up, no like that's a heavy gamble.
Speaker 2:Do you gamble in real life, coop?
Speaker 1:I feel like you would lose a lot. What do you mean? Do you ask me if I gamble in real life? Yes, do you ask me if I gamble on old dirty bastard. Well, that's like you know what I mean. That's like what type of gambler am I? If you're asking me like, let's say, I got a million dollars, it's like, well, do I put a million dollars?
Speaker 2:on.
Speaker 1:ODB. If I got a million, no, will I put 500 on them. Yeah, I will put 500 on them. I'll put 500 on ODB Because it's going to be hard for him to deliver, but when he delivers?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and God rest his soul. But $500 ain't even a safe bet. People forget this Hold on.
Speaker 1:People forget this about. Dirty Nigga, Please is a great album. It is.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 3:How dare you say Nigga Please is a great album than you should own a Capadonna album.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. No, it's not. It's not better than.
Speaker 3:Capadonna's album. It is not better than the Pillage.
Speaker 1:It's not If you think that the Pillage is better than Nigga, Please. All I have to say to you is Nigga Please.
Speaker 2:It's better. It's better Coop. What you got, sean? What's your rub up?
Speaker 3:That's a great. I love this conversation. That's a great point. But here's the thing, coop, I really feel that you gotta think about Dirty. The situation with Dirty. Dirty didn't write. Return to the 36th Chamber.
Speaker 1:That's Jizzle did.
Speaker 3:His other cousin, right. So the safer bet would have been Jizzle out the gate. He's the more established artist out of the clan. I don't like that star power. He doesn't have the charisma, he doesn't have the star power. But if you're RZA, you got to go with the hot hand. Meth had the hot hand, although he wasn't all over the record, all over the album, the singles. He was over the singles. He had his own single, methaman. That was a single off of the album. You got to be with that hot hand. The ladies loved him. He was that guy. He just had all of that. He had the package Paul's and they needed that. Out the gate. Big Paul's. It was crazy. But he, it was nasty. Andrew edit that you need it. I'll put that on a t-shirt. Andrew edit that he had to package, but you needed meth. I could see jizz after meth and then dirty. You know what I'm saying? Just because of the dirty album was more light. It was more light on the dirty album.
Speaker 1:So we're going to have to move because I do have a couple more comments about a couple other things before we slide. I hear all your points and they're very valid points and they're good points by both of you. I'm picking dirty over jizzle because, well, if Meth's not going first, dirt is obviously the other big star. How about this? Meth and man and Old Dirty Bastard from the jump had superstar power.
Speaker 1:The other guys are stars. Meth and Dirt are superstars. The way that you're drawn to them and the things they do, what they say, how they behave I mean the fucking MTV welfare shit is in infamy to them. And the things they do, what they say, how they behave I mean the fucking, the fucking. Well, the, the mtv welfare shit is like in infamy. The wu-tang is for the children like shit on the. You get what I'm saying. Like the whole vibe of it is different. And so when you're asking me, do I bet on dirt? Well, I believe dirt is more. Um, dirt probably at that point, as crazy as it seemed, would probably be better at executing a song, even if the jizz eroded. You get what I'm saying. Like the execution of the song, like Return to the 36 Chambers, is better, and it's because, well, it's jizz eroded and old, dirty bastard. The three cousins working together, that's really the core of the Wu-Tang. The first solo album should come from the core of the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 1:All this together now and off to the other chambers, and also if Dirty drops first, do you know what type of template that sets? Motherfuckers don't know what to expect and the vibe and the feel of it is totally different. It makes jumping into the other chambers so much easier, because after you jump out of this crazy motherfucker's chamber it's easy to jump into the rest of the chambers you know like, think about. Have you listened to the Return to the 36 Chambers in a while? I love it, it's vibrant.
Speaker 3:It's a vibrant album in comparison, Because you got Method man and you got Return to the 36 Chambers and you got Liquid Swords.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, funny shit. Every time I listen to Return to the 36, I'm cheesing. The whole time I'm listening to it. It's so entertaining. That's what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying the tone of it is so different and it's in between two dark albums, liquid Swords and Takao. And that album, return to the Thirst of Chimneys, is a bright album. It's hilarious, even the instruments on it, the instrumentation of it is bright, it's vibrant.
Speaker 1:I just think Dirty going first is like nothing gets lost about. Bring the Plane, I'll Be there For you. Think about it, I'll Be there for you doesn't really drop like the version that people know. It doesn't drop to the summer of 95 anyways. That and Shimmy, shimmy, y'all are out around the same time. I don't think you lose much by swapping them around.
Speaker 2:But Manfred, winning that Grammy made Rule a household name and put him to the masses more than Dirty would have. Dirty followed it up with the. I believe the song with Mariah won a Grammy.
Speaker 3:That was later on that was later.
Speaker 1:yeah, they're on the SWV remix together. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:The Anything remix Just real quick a couple thoughts. I mean, I'm with you, ag, on the Predator. Just real quick. Everything Ice Cube has been a part of has been like all-time great classic material. People forget when the Predator dropped he was the biggest and best rapper in the world at the time. He was the number one rapper in the game and in the world at the time.
Speaker 1:If the Predator is what Falling Off sounds like, I hope all these other niggas fall off like Ice Cube. That's what Falling Off sounds like. If that's what your Fall Off is going to sound like, welcome to what a Fall Off should sound like. A Fall Off. That's what your fall off is going to sound like. Welcome to what a fall off should sound like. A fall off should sound like the Predator. Because I'm with you, kill at will, america's Most Death Certificate, straight Outta Compton, all classics.
Speaker 1:You know what I thought of when I thought of Ill Nata. Today, though, fellas. And then we can slide to the next topic I thought about the fact that when I heard the Jada Kiss Nas argument and people was like well, if I want like a song or album, it's like I want Nas, but if I want a verse, I want Kiss. When I thought about Il Nana I was like you know, for a verse I prefer Foxy over Kim. But if I want a song or if I want an album I want Kim. And then I understood why New York niggas feel that way, some way about maybe kiss for a verse but not for a project or not for a song, but if I want a verse I want kiss, because I kind of feel that way about fox hardcore, superior songs and a superior album structure and superior beat selection.
Speaker 1:But fox is a better spitter than kim and I've always said that and I still have kim number one overall all time Cause she, just she. She is very much like Biggie. She does so many things well that it's hard to knock her. But just bar for bar man I would chew AG. Like Fox was my favorite spitter, like she's not my number one, but in terms of hearing a female, a woman rat, she's always been my go-to. I would rather hear her spit a rhyme over any female MC that ever lived at their peak and I think that says a lot about what her peak could have looked like. And some of those wounds are self-inflicted.
Speaker 2:In her prom better voice Kim or Fox. In her prom Fox, I got Fox too.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying Voice and delivery and lyrically, voice delivery and lyrically. Better than Kim Kim, not far behind and better songwriter, album maker and seizes the big moments more consistently than Fox does Like. Think about this Like Fox's I Shot your Remix moment. She doesn't have enough of those. Kim got about four or five of those.
Speaker 2:She tapped into the commercial market better than Foxy did.
Speaker 3:Like.
Speaker 1:I said self-inflicted wounds.
Speaker 3:Look at who Kim had in her corner. She had. I mean, they're the same vehicle, different engine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she wasn't even signed to Bad Boy. It had the whole Bad Boy machine behind it.
Speaker 3:Not bad. She had big behind it. Big, you got a big pin in your project.
Speaker 1:I mean, like you said, though, she had Jay and Nas. It's not like she lacked for support she had Jay and Nas and AZ and Cormega and went and did an album in Cali. She had access Sign AZ and Cormega and went and did an album in Cali. She had access Signed to Def Jam. She had just as much opportunity as Kim, they were on equal footing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Cool, the separator is Big's pen. Big knew how to write for her. He was writing it from her like it was him From a female through a female's lens. I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:You can say that in 96, but for the duration it's still Kim, because even after he left, Kim got that Moxie.
Speaker 3:Kim got that Moxie.
Speaker 1:She got that superstar. Look ain't no big on the Quiet Storm remix.
Speaker 3:No, no big on the Quiet Storm remix. No, no big on the Quiet Storm remix. No, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:All right, let's slide to the next thing fellas. Future Metro did an interview with GQ. I find it fascinating. A little year-end issue Men of the year, Future Metro. No new hashtag for all single guys when they meet a girl should be we don't trust you. Send them a future. Be like what you doing tonight. Go ahead and send her the future meme. We don't trust you. That's for all the fellas out there living the lifestyle. What did y'all think of the interview? Future denies ever seeing or hearing about any beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar bullshit. Metro talks about these things being personal with Drake and it not being about a woman bullshit.
Speaker 2:Most of it. Let's give the people some context. You know I got some quotes written down um you got some quotes written down. Yeah, let's, let's, let's go with future first, because I think most of it, with tongue in cheek, you know I'm saying playing coy go ahead, go ahead and recite these lies for the public.
Speaker 1:Ag, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:I want to make sure I'm lying right. So you know, when Future was asked about the beef, he said there was a beef and they said he was smirking in the article. I didn't even know they had nothing going on. I ain't never participated in rap battles. Man AG. This is.
Speaker 1:Future. He's always smirking, it's the drugs.
Speaker 2:He said why should I care about the beef when no one involved seemed to care about me? Talking about Kendrick, he said. He said big three on my song is just big me. I'm supposed to be the one who gets mad. I'm still confused about that. Nobody cares about what I think and it started laughing. So you know, I think he's more tongue in cheek there, you know, saying that he's denying the beef or whatnot.
Speaker 1:But that that is not tongue in cheek. It's like I've been telling y'all and we've been talking about it on this show all year long Is future involved in this conversation? Because if you look at it from every metric, oh yeah, he thinks he's in the big three for sure. Yes, it's not a think thing. By everything that it's being measured by, he should be in there, except for the fact of the actual lyrical variety.
Speaker 2:He is four out of the fourth, but in terms of impact might be first, it's the lyrical thing that knocks him out, but in his mind, academics academics spoke to this too. He was like Numbers.
Speaker 1:he's better than Kendrick and Cole in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean Future thinks he's more popular than all three of them in his mind.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, but lyrically that's the separator, but his mind is full of molly and quaaludes and cocaine and marijuana.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of stuff going on in there. But they did ask him too is he cool with all parties involved since this happened? He said, yeah, who am I not cool with? Because I ain't got nothing to be mad about. Find something that I should be mad at them about and then I guess I'll get mad. So I guess he's just putting out there that you know I'm saying it's all love. You know what I mean. He's just putting out there that it's all love. He act like it wasn't no problem, no beef, but you just participated on an album, two albums going at a certain individual. So I call Cap, even if he is saying it tongue-in-cheek. These are bald-headed lies.
Speaker 1:Sean, what are your thoughts? It's a bald-headed lie.
Speaker 3:It's a bald-headed lie. It's a bald-headed lie.
Speaker 2:It's a bald-headed lie. It's a bald-headed lie.
Speaker 3:It's a bald-headed lie, I'm good, I got a hair full of hair.
Speaker 2:Put your hat back on man, Give me a take.
Speaker 3:That's why I keep the hat on, so y'all don't feel weird or nothing like that.
Speaker 1:I feel great. My hair's still good. I'm bald by choice.
Speaker 3:My bad man. Look man, this is all about. What is this really about? Honestly, nobody knows.
Speaker 2:He answered it like a politician. To be honest, he did a lot of dancing. He answered it like a politician.
Speaker 3:Look, man, there is a Drake and Future collab on the horizon. This is part of that. This is that olive branch saying look, I didn't have really issues with the guy that way it doesn't look crazy when him and Drake pop up on stage together real soon on a song, together, real soon. That's what this is.
Speaker 2:Drake said in the song he said Future. I never really have any issues with him. I know this is like Metro's doing Metro out here, acting Metro out. He said I never really have any issues with him. I know this is like you know.
Speaker 1:Metro's doing Right.
Speaker 3:Metro out here acting very zesty.
Speaker 1:He's very zesty.
Speaker 3:You know what you were doing. You put Kendrick on a song, on an album that says we don't trust you. We've heard the stories, the backstories. Why talk about it now? We're several months removed. The battle is over. You know, Kendrick is stomping a mud hole in him right now. Still, we're not even putting out new music. People are still talking about it.
Speaker 3:But now you're going to come out and say, oh, I didn't know he was talking about Drake, I didn't even know why didn't he mention me in the big three. Kendrick, I mean Future you should be in that conversation. Let's be completely honest, guys. He has a point. He should be in somewhat of a conversation around something. I don't know if it's a big three conversation. I don't even think a big three thing really exists. Straight up, the media created this big three thing. I don't even think a big three thing exists. There's a top tier, there's a mid tier, there's a low tier. Future is in that top tier. I'm not a huge Future fan. I can appreciate what he do. He should be up there somewhere Because he does, like you said, Coop. The numbers speak for itself. Numbers don't lie. He does great numbers. He put out three projects this year.
Speaker 1:All of them dope. He's got the songs, too. He's got the songs.
Speaker 3:What do you got? Coop Songs, influence, streams money. He has all of that you done. Had the girls too, you done had the girls too.
Speaker 1:You done had the girls too.
Speaker 3:He's the toxic king. People think toxic is cool. Now they think it's cool to be toxic.
Speaker 1:I told you when you meet a chick, all you need to do is send her the future meme. She know you on Demon Time she be like oh, I already know what he wants.
Speaker 3:And I'm going to do it. What is that? That is cultural impact. People think that being toxic is dope. They be like yo. I want a toxic chick. She already be like I'm toxic. What I mean? People coming up they say that's crazy, you crazy.
Speaker 1:Hit her with some future behavior and leave her ass when you're done with it.
Speaker 3:Right, he has all of the above. He has all of the above, got it on lock.
Speaker 1:He should be up in that path and he's around. He stayed outside this whole time.
Speaker 3:Drake had been outside this entire time, and when you want a hit song, who you go get? He's one of those that you go get. Who do Drake?
Speaker 1:go get when he want a hit song, that guy.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's stay right there for a minute before we get to Metro's comments, and I want to ask you this specifically Coop Academics said on Twitter, on a stream, that he feels like Drake needs Future to keep a hold of ATL, that region. How true do you think that is?
Speaker 1:That's not true, ag, because we have too many dusty-ass tricks down here, okay, and they like to sing Drake and Future songs and they're going to continue to do so. It's not going to stop anything at all. Too many black women down here, fair enough. Too many black women down here, fair enough. Too many black women down here to say that Drake's water is cut off. Down here, you can randomly cut on a random Drake song. In a place where there are black women, the black women start singing the Drake song.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:They put me on the Drake songs. I forgot about it. You don't remember this. You do a podcast. Put me on the Drake song.
Speaker 2:I forgot about it.
Speaker 1:You don't remember this.
Speaker 2:You do a podcast, nigga and we can't put all that that he needs on Future because he's you know, drake is still cool with 21 and Thug. So I mean, even if him and Future is still on the outs, he still has connects in ATL.
Speaker 1:Okay, so perspective is everything. So take Kendrick's bars on. Not Like Us.
Speaker 2:The colonizer bars.
Speaker 1:The colonizer bars. Well, you can write it. That's what I mean about how Kendrick's a brilliant writer.
Speaker 1:You can write it from that perspective. But we'll be smart business decisions. Look at the numbers that ATL artists have been producing in this generation little baby, future thug gonna 21 baby like. You know what I'm saying? It's like no, it makes sense. If you, if you, if you are a prime time rapper, it makes sense for you to come down here and do business. You'd be foolish not to. But when kendrick says it, it's like oh no, he's a colonizer. It's like no nigga, that's good business. Bring your black ass down here.
Speaker 2:Bring your black ass down here.
Speaker 1:Get some of these dusty tricks, because we've already had them, we're tired of them. You can take them with you, because we don't trust them.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you all this Let me ask you this honestly Would you put right now, currently I'm not talking about body of work, I'm talking about currently would you put future over coal If you had to, because we're going to talk about coal a little bit, but I think these two topics run hand in hand. I think that would coincide, it would be discussed, coincide.
Speaker 1:How about this? Let me submit something to you. Let's just talk. This year he's having a better year than all three of them. What are we talking about? If we were actually picking between the four of them and going into an 18-month cycle, he would be the one that we would pick. If we're talking about music numbers like go pick the metric, it would actually be him that we would pick, over the three of them. One nigga's just been doing futures. One nigga's been on tour for a trashy-ass album. The other nigga's been dropping mid.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that's why he's sharing the cover a gq with metro.
Speaker 1:For that reason you just stated and let's not get it twisted all three of these projects are quality projects. We don't trust you as the best of the three. Yes, that's the dopest thing he's done in a long time in my opinion, but these are all really dope projects and, quite frankly and this seems crazy to say this like if you're actually looking at who the artist of the year should be in hip hop, it should actually maybe be between Benny and Future, because they've actually done the most work, done the most quality work and been around all motherfucking year.
Speaker 2:But I would give it to Future over Benny. Yeah, I would too.
Speaker 1:The best ability is what guys?
Speaker 2:Definitely availability. Yeah, but I'm going to keep having this goddamn conversation.
Speaker 3:But you can't put up 10 points a game because you're available. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:How about this? It's like I look at it like this, we don't trust you. We don't trust you as, like a 25-point game, it's like 25. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It had a lot of impact behind it. I mean, granted, a lot of. It was the beef, but that album was bringing on.
Speaker 1:It's just not your style. We don't trust you as a band.
Speaker 3:It's not my season. I'm not going front.
Speaker 2:Sean's season at 10 points a game. Was you putting up 10 points a game, Sean?
Speaker 3:Never. You was giving them the single doubles Myself on the bench. That 5-1-3?. The triple singles Coach, take me out. I was myself on the bench. Look, look, look.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to get 4, 5, 6 in a dice game, not in basketball.
Speaker 2:I told you 4, 5, 6. I told you 4, 5, 6 in a dice game, not in basketball. That's why I told you four, five, six.
Speaker 3:Start average double digit turnovers. I'm getting tired of this. I just want to stop today.
Speaker 2:You're going to come back with quantifiable facts. That's what I'm trying to set this up, get out of my head.
Speaker 1:Are there more quantifiable facts?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I can't wait.
Speaker 1:Let's wrap this up. Let's wrap this up In short Cap, cap, cap, cap Cap.
Speaker 2:Hold on, Coop. Let's get into Metro's capping, because Metro did a lot of capping too. You know what I'm saying. This is what Metro had to say.
Speaker 1:He said that's a hunchback of Notre Dame cap.
Speaker 2:Listen to this. This is crazy. He said people, people really think we sat for two years making two albums to be like yo f. This dude. What kind of issue is that? You really think we're going to spend that much time, effort, resources just on trying to get at somebody on the album, blowing budgets on two albums, going over budget? That's some serious hate. Neither one of us rock like that. That's the biggest lie in the whole article.
Speaker 1:These are lies, AG. Everybody in the city knows these two niggas are petty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cap, that's the biggest cap. But he did admit that him and Drake had something personal. He did say it was something personal. That wasn't a girl, which I don't know, if I believe that either.
Speaker 1:They have petty reputations with other rappers, they have petty reputations with producers. They definitely have petty reputations with these dusty ass hoes down here that ain't been fucking all these years. Their reputation is petty. They're petty kings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that most of it was cat.
Speaker 1:Their next album should be called Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are so petty. That's the name of the next album, tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. We don't trust you. Part three.
Speaker 3:This is crazy.
Speaker 1:These niggas are crazy for lying like this to the public. On Gentleman's Quarterly year end review.
Speaker 2:If he said it was something personal with him and Drake and for the record it's not over a chick then what was it? If you're putting it out there, then say what it was. But then he says it's just like regular shit when you fall out with somebody you've known forever. You know what I'm saying, but this is in front of an audience I don't even want to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 1:These niggas is lying. Next topic, let's go to some music guys. Dave East dropped a new project, living Proof. Who's the guy that did the A-Rab music? A-rab music on the production. I think we have our album of the year, sleeper. I think this is a sleeper guys. I was really, really impressed with this album. I have some notes that I'd like to share, but I want to get you guys' thoughts first on the album.
Speaker 3:Sean, you want to go first Y'all, please click on this one. I'm going to be indifferent. Coop sent this album. You're a contender. I'm on the other side of that Sleeper. So Coop's your contender, I'm on the other side of that Sleeper?
Speaker 1:Okay To Sleeper.
Speaker 2:I'm with you, coop. I love the album. As far as A-Rab music, I was tapped into A-Rab music when he was doing production for Joe Budden. You know what I'm saying a lot on no Love Lost and Some Love Lost, and then Joe's last album before he retired, rage in the Machine. A-rab music produced that whole thing. So I've been tapped in with A-Rab for a while and I don't think he gives enough credit as a producer. I personally think he's operating at the level of, like you know, say like a conductor or a derringer, but their names are you know what I'm saying brought up more. You know what I mean in brought up more. You know what I mean in current day. But I think A-Rap is a little bit more versatile than those guys. But anyway, as far as Dave East is concerned, I'm with you, coop. I love the project. I don't want to spend too long talking about it, so you can go.
Speaker 2:But Dave East, you know he, I think he's so New York, that kind of held him back. Dave is dope lyrically, he got a dope rap voice. He had a co-sign by Nas, a lot of features by Nas, but he just never kind of broke through and I think that's where he's. So New York in a climate that's not really East Coast boom bap centric, if you will, or whatever. But what I did learn on this project about dave that I didn't realize before, like on the joint with fab, uh, bust down and then lip him up with benny um and everything for sale with ransom y'all made this point about um lloyd banks.
Speaker 2:Davey sounds better when rapping alongside somebody so he doesn't get too boring, and I think that that's the thing when he's on features like Joint with Fab. I would love to hear an album or EP with him and Fab. If he's collabing with somebody, that's top tier, because if you go back to the Beloved project with him and Styles P, that is a fire project. So if you put Davey's with Dope Production and Rhy and rhyming beside somebody else, I think you have something there.
Speaker 1:AG, I want to say that I'm very proud of you. In about two minutes time, you've stolen most of the material that I had to talk about this album. Oh damn my bad. I'd like for you to go ahead, sean. Go ahead and take AG off the screen for the next five minutes when you come in. My bad, I'd like for you to go ahead, sean. Go ahead and take AG off the screen for the next five minutes. When it comes to timeout, you need to stop stealing my shit.
Speaker 2:Sean wouldn't take me off the screen.
Speaker 3:Let's get back to hip hop talk. Let's get back to hip hop talk. No, no, let's get CJ. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:We got CJ, the Kid with the $5 super chat. Bless you guys. How are you? What did I miss, cj? We just talked a little bit about the album, anniversaries for Takao, t2, judgment Day, the Predator, il-nana. We talked about Metro and Future, lion Ass and GQ Magazine.
Speaker 1:We can't trust these hoes, but we can't trust these niggas. Even more especially these two niggas. Even more especially these two niggas. This is a fucking article full of lies. These niggas ain't tell the truth one time in there. Only thing Future said that was valid is about how you belong in the big three conversation. Rest of it was cap. We're covering Dave East's album right now and you're all caught up to speed. Thanks for coming out, cj. So to this Dave East album, and I'm glad that you actually brought up Lloyd Banks, because what I would actually tell you, ag, is that I don't think he's lyrically as good as Lloyd Banks, but you want to know what he is. He's more entertaining. I enjoy listening to Lloyd Banks, but not as much as I enjoy listening to Dave East. Dave East has the better rap voice. This is where rap voice matters. Even early mixtape Banks Early mixtape Banks had early mixtape 50 right next to him.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:So not fair to anybody Right?
Speaker 2:We never really heard Banks by himself, really until the G-Unit shit was over. To be to be honest with you, yeah, the hunger for more and all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, really, really like it. It definitely had. We got a group effort going on and we are putting this project together, not just him, so it's he's more entertaining, even though he's not as lyrical. Better beat selection. That's why I want to bring up arab music. I thought this was someical better beat selection. That's why I want to bring up arab music. I thought this was some of the best selection of beats that I heard this year on a project and it made me think dave east.
Speaker 1:I don't know how you all would classify him as a, as an mc, I would put him somewhere like in the b minus c plus area. I mean that in a positive way, because most of these niggas suck um in of emceeing. But there's something about how he sounded over these beats where I felt like he was more impactful, more enthralling, more worth the listen. That is the mark of what production is really supposed to do for a dope emcee, which Dave is, and so I think this might be the best production job and beat selection of his career. Definitely, if it's not overall, the best project of his career. A G I'm with you. Bust down as a banger, that is a banger. The joint with Benny is a banger. The joint with ransom is dope. Bust down with fab is off Fuego.
Speaker 2:I don't do you like. Do you like Swiss on that hook with the joint, with Benny? I don't like Swizz on that hook.
Speaker 1:I don't like Swizz on anything. And then the joint with Gibbs.
Speaker 2:That's my favorite beat, but I can't stand Giggs but that beat crazy People don't know about Giggs.
Speaker 1:Giggs been around for a minute he has, but I don't like him.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. No disrespect, but I just can't get with it. That's my favorite beat.
Speaker 1:When I heard Bust Down, I'm like this is a banger. They got to be playing this in New York already.
Speaker 2:We need about six of those with him and Fab yeah.
Speaker 1:My same thoughts was like man Bust Down made me want to hear Fab and Dave East LP that Bust Down made me want to hear a fab.
Speaker 1:And Dave East LP that sounded like magic right there. I was really loving that joint. Overall, this is the type of project that makes me want to listen to all the top albums that we have rated this year and actually decide which albums are better, and that's what I mean about it being the sleeper of the year. This is the project that makes me want to listen to the projects that I would rate ahead of it to make sure that I'm rating this project properly. It's like, oh, I don't know if this project. First of all, I know this is a top 20 project this year, but I don't know where it falls, and that's what makes it the sleeper of the year, because there are songs on here like Bust Down and the Joint with Ransom where it's like damn. On here, like Bust Down and the Joint with Ransom, where it's like damn, there's some top five of the year material on here.
Speaker 2:I would have it probably tracking along somewhere as like Blue Lips or something like that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I have Blue Lips at like 8 right now EG.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, and I would have this in the realm of that.
Speaker 1:It'd be somewhere between 8 to 15 right now, like maybe in my mind, and I really did enjoy the project. It might be the best product that he's ever made. Guys, this might be his best album, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm a fan. I'm a fan too. It's dope.
Speaker 1:Well, here's my question for both of you about this project what does it mean for an artist like Dave East that's been on this grind and on this trajectory of his career this long? Let's say this is the best album of his career. Does it do anything for him to make the best album of his career at this point and this is a legitimate question I want to ask you guys about how the game goes what is him putting out the best product of his career at this stage in his career about to do for his career? Because if it doesn't do anything for him, then it is. So what's the point going on?
Speaker 2:It doesn't, because he had more eyes on him approximately five years ago and if he would have did that then, then it would have had a bigger impact on his career. But I mean, it's still. You can't take away from the project. It's still qualityoddy, but timing is everything.
Speaker 1:Piggyback question. Sean, you can answer this one. Did he miss his moment?
Speaker 3:Did he have a moment to miss Sean's so disrespectful?
Speaker 2:man. I swear to God, sean is wild. He's so smug.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. You know what Sean is? Show him that print. Respectfully doesn't help it. Bro, what's wrong with you? The projects where you like yo, yo. You know I'm about to go run to the mall with TT. It's like nigga, you got your pistol on me. It's like no, it's like you know you're going with TT. You know TT, you know that, nigga be talking shit.
Speaker 3:Look, man, I'm a Dave Bees fan. I'm a Dave Bees fan? I am? I don't think so. I love you guys, but I think sometimes y'all bloviate these artists and their records in the moment you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:I said he was B-C plus, I didn't bloviate and sleeper.
Speaker 2:He used the word sleeper. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:that's still too much are you saying it? B minus C plus. I didn't blow V8. And sleeper he used the word sleeper you know what I'm saying? That's still too much Are you saying it's trash? I'm not saying it's trash.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying it's trash.
Speaker 3:It's a dope album, it's honestly a dope album, but to say he missed a moment that I don't think a moment was ever presented for him to miss, honestly.
Speaker 2:It depends on what the ceiling was for that moment. Hold on hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:This is what I mean about seal the moment. There was a moment when New York hip-hop was in a transitional stage and Griselda seized that core hip-hop and Danny was around at the same time that they seized that moment Conway, West Westside and Benny like sealed for whatever it may not become that it could have been, they did seal the deal and put shit on lock to be fair, during that time he was trying to do the acting thing too, so maybe he didn't put all his eggs in the basket of rapping.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:I'm going to take a movie check before I'm going to take a movie check, before I'm going to take a rap check, of course, Every time. That's why Freddie asked was gone for a year. The last song on this album, which is an album of a year contender, is called Oneset yeah, but y'all making excuses for me Okay, we just going to go to the next shit Nah because, again, we do this all the time.
Speaker 3:I love the album. I love the album. It's great you don't listen to it again after the first week.
Speaker 2:Nah, I've listened, to this quite a while.
Speaker 1:I've listened to this a few times already.
Speaker 2:I mean it's only been out a week, but I've spun it like six times.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say three, three, over here I've played Bus Down like 30 times already.
Speaker 3:You said Glorilla had an album of the year. I did not say that Four days later I said Glorilla album the.
Speaker 1:Glow album. That's what I'm saying. You're not from down here, so you don't understand how Memphis that album is for me.
Speaker 3:You're not from Memphis, memphis and.
Speaker 1:Atlanta are two different states. I know what the vibe is in Memphis.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:She made an album.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is I can appreciate the project because I've been to Memphis multiple times, know what the culture is like. That's her vibe.
Speaker 2:She's saying you're not culture Sean.
Speaker 1:She made an album. It just landed. This morning We'll be talking about it. What do you mean? You don't really be outside. I'm platinum and down right now. You don't really be doing that when you're in Memphis. What I'm saying is that I appreciate the Glow Real album because she made an album that's reflective of where she's from but still satisfied her larger audience outside of that core base. I think that's hard for a young, burgeoning artist to do. I gave her credit for style points. I didn't say it was album of the year. Was I impressed with the album? Yes, is Sean never impressed with anything? Because he's a fucking hater? Yes, can we?
Speaker 2:go to the next topic.
Speaker 1:Yes, cordae, yes, ag, go On three. Uno dos tres. Blink twice if you feel unsafe in hip-hop talks.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm good Yo. The Cordae album is Sean gonna hate, but that's another album that I thoroughly enjoy.
Speaker 1:I enjoy listening to these albums AG don't be going around here. Ag don't be going around here telling Sean that you like shit.
Speaker 2:But nah, the Cordae and I got mixed feelings about it, even though I really like the album and shout out to Cordae because he actually pulled up here to West Virginia. He opened for Lil Wayne when Lil Wayne came here last year, so shout out to him.
Speaker 3:That's a boy hit a lot, Ain't. Nobody came to West Virginia for no concert. Man Y'all got to chill, man Y'all got to chill.
Speaker 2:You do got to stop lying about the West Virginia show. Listen, y'all be killing me, man, but anyway proceed on.
Speaker 1:Don't make me side with Sean by talking about show business man it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Listen, man, I got the pictures to prove he was here. But anyway. So the Cordae album right. One thing I'll say about Cordae and this album is it's a very mature album. It's very introspective.
Speaker 2:Like Cordae, is serviceable as a lyricist. You know he's not the best, but he's serviceable and he's somebody who's always conceptual. You know what I mean. He's going to make songs that revolve around dope topics Like he. You know what I mean. He's going to make songs that revolve around dope topics Like he got you know, a joint on here about his daughter and fatherhood. He got a joint on here about his grandmother and he got a joint about his mom actually trying to get on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:In the industry herself she was part of making the band. You know one of the seasons when they had to walk to Brooklyn for a cheesecake and all that. And one thing he taps into into with this album is nostalgia. On the intro he has the Crossroads sample. So it's like a cheat code. He's already tapping into your nostalgia. Nothing's promised this, you know. He taps into the samples. Heard him say by Kanye and Adam Levine that's one of my top five Kanye songs of all time. So for him to sample that hooked right away I was like, okay, I'm sold. He also samples Lauryn Hill and the Killing Me Softly joint on Pray With Ty Dolla $ign. So you know he got joints that'll kind of like bring you in.
Speaker 2:My favorite joint is probably All Alone, which is a dope concept. It's real soulful and it's basically a money can't buy happiness type song. But um, and then Anderson pack, he's on two joints. Uh, he's on two. Tens is a relationship type thong where it's two homies going back and forth on you know what I'm saying Different relationship status and their viewpoints of how relationships should be. So that's a dope joint.
Speaker 2:Wayne shows up on two tracks here. Does what he's supposed to do. Joey Badass, juicy J all the features are dope. But what I'll say about Cordae is you play a dangerous game when you try too much to emulate the people who inspired you and shout out to Trifeife. You know, I'm saying in the chat because I'm gonna say I'm gonna paraphrase something he said in our discord, but I'm gonna say it more respectfully because try to be moving like sean, he'd be saying stuff while disrespectful. So you know, cole, we're gonna get to cole in a minute, but you know, with uh strife said something about like cordae's album. Sounds like early j cole mixtapes but basically not as good you know so it's not as good as cole's early mixtapes.
Speaker 2:Cole's early mixtapes are fire they're right, they're fire, so like, but it's levels to it. There's cole's talent and even early cole before he leveled up to become what he became, because I'm listening to these side by side, because Cole actually released his first mistake this past weekend and we'll get to that. But listening to Cordae's new album present day and Cole's early work, it's still levels to it and Cole is still above that. So when you emulate somebody and you know your music sounds a lot like them, you're basically creating a grass I'm sorry, a glass ceiling for yourself that you might not can break through.
Speaker 2:Some of them have broke through it, like I would say JID has broke through it, because people used to say he's died Kendrick, but I think he's broke through that. You know what I mean. So it's some exceptions to the rule in in certain cases that can get through, but anyway, um, that's the only gripe I have about the album is it's times where he sounds too much by J Cole and it's times where he sounds too much like Kanye. You hear the Kanye influence, but it was dope to hear Kanye on a record on here no bad news, because I feel like that was an old Kanye sighting. He tapped into what we all love Kanye, for I really like that record.
Speaker 1:Say what Might be old, ain't no telling. Talking about some Diet Kendrick 2024. Kendrick is Diet Kendrick. Neither here nor there. Neither here nor there Talking about some Diet Kendrick. Nigga been Diet Kendrick. The real version of Kendrick been Diet Kendrick.
Speaker 2:I don't even be trying to get him started.
Speaker 1:This some bullshit. You're talking about me. First of all, let's address a couple things.
Speaker 2:Y'all keep passing the hater rock back and forth, but I'm standing in the corner like.
Speaker 1:At least you want to know. Okay, not the Cordae's last time, but the album before that. I played Cordae's. I played the album for my daughter. She fell asleep in the car, so this album is boring as that album that makes a teenager fall asleep in the car. But Cordae is the type of rapper that makes me question this generation and you want to know why. And this is a question. I have a few questions for you guys and I want you to try to answer them as quick for me as you can. Kanye West is considered to be one of the most impactful artists of all time. Is the impact positive if these niggas aren't that good? How?
Speaker 2:positive.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I know the impact is there, but how positive is the impact? Because when I'm listening to Cordae I'm like, no, no, I know the impact is there, but how positive is the impact? Because when I'm listening to Cordae I'm like, well, you're Kanye. Without the polo rugby and the gold chain and the mental health issues and the white bitches and the beats, you can't just be regular.
Speaker 2:I'll say this Kanye's kids is better than Lil Wayne's kids out here.
Speaker 1:Get a mental health deficiency or something. Can we make this nigga a sociopath? Make him more entertaining?
Speaker 3:oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:I'd like to hand out some. You get a disorder. You get a disorder. Every regular ass born punk ass rapper from this generation gets a mental health disorder, a disorder. Every regular ass conga born punk-ass rapper from this generation gets a mental health disorder. Because these niggas at the end of the day be boring. So even when the music is good like the music is good on this album this too, like Davey's project, might be his best project, but much like Davey's project, you want to know what the problem is. I actually had to go look for this album. Guys, I have to go find this album and for Cornelius so disrespectful.
Speaker 1:That's part of you look. Feels like we're passing the hater baton on down the line and it's your turn but y'all do all the time.
Speaker 3:Oh, hater, baton, I'll be concealing it.
Speaker 1:Man, I'll be concealing y'all hate everybody knows I hate all these niggas you protected the best.
Speaker 2:Everybody knows I hate all these niggas.
Speaker 1:You protect the best everybody knows I hate all these, I'm sad as fuck don't talk to fans, I don't talk to rappers, don't talk to none of these niggas hate everybody, really don't. I don't really don't be pulling up. It's like it's this nigga. I'll be like fuck you too, nigga. That really happened a couple weeks ago too. It's like fuck that nigga. I was like fuck you. I heard that shit. I'm blind, nigga, I'm deaf, shit this shit got real.
Speaker 1:Back to Cordae. It's just too much. Regular rap has infiltrated the market. Guys, there's no story. And even his storyline is more exciting. There's the Osaka connection, as he brought up, like in the song, he's dating a you know famous athlete celebrity. Cordae is actually considered to be an above-average rapper by today's standards and even for some regards by, I guess I would say, our later year standards, like our later 20s, early 30s standards. He would have fit into a crop of MCs that could spit. But what are you drawn to about Cordae? What's pulling us in? What's attracting us to it? Even when he makes quality music, there's nothing about it. That's like ugh.
Speaker 2:That grabs us, you got to resonate with who the person is. Like one of my homies say that all the time. Like I gotta identify with who you are. Even if I'm not on that same kind of time, I gotta know that.
Speaker 1:Right, so if there's a bunch of Kanye going around and we still got Kanye crazy ass. It's like well, much like my election. Vote for the last two elections. Well, give me Kanye over these other motherfuckers. If that's the case, this is who you're leaving me with. Give me Kanye In ethics. Everybody knows how I feel about being forced into voting for Kanye. The only thing worse than that is voting for Kendrick.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness Sean.
Speaker 1:Both of those are niggas that haven't made good projects this decade in any fucking way.
Speaker 3:Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. Sean your turn. I felt this album was solid. I get that you guys don't like Cordae.
Speaker 2:I get it, I like him I said I like the album, bro. Why you saying I don't like Cordae? Who said that? I didn't say that?
Speaker 1:I'm so tired of this shit being boring guys, I am. Don't let me in with shit. Who said that I didn't say that I'm so?
Speaker 2:tired of this shit being boring, guys. Don't let me in with Cooper. I said I like the album and I shouted him out for coming to West Virginia. Man, it's crazy. I think Sean even got the WV on his hat.
Speaker 1:The happy-ass thing is look here why can't these niggas get robbed after a show or something to have something to talk about?
Speaker 2:something to have, something to talk about Yo that's crazy man.
Speaker 1:This shit is boring. He was like man this is so happy, it's so great, I'm so happy for him, this is great.
Speaker 3:So I cut this shit off. The production on this album was really good. It was really good. I think the production is the main star of this album. Cordae doesn't have anything.
Speaker 3:We are in our 40s, I'm mid-40s, although you guys look older than me, I'm older than y'all, so I can understand where you're coming from, what you know what I mean Young, flashy, but the thing about it is we can't draw into Cordae. So I can understand that point. But at the same time and I like your point, ag, when you mentioned about you leaning into much of the artists that influence you you can hear that influence throughout this entire album. It's there. You hear Kanye, you hear Cole. Does Cordae have an identity? I don't know that, because I don't really follow Cordae that much. This is really the first album that I really paid attention to for Cordae. Honestly, this is the first album that I actually sat with and I enjoyed a lot of parts of this album. But what I enjoyed was the actual production of this album.
Speaker 3:The song Pray, with the Lauryn Hill sample on the hook and on that loop. You can't go wrong with that. You can't go wrong with that. You can't go wrong with that. His verse, his lyrics, his rhyme. It wasn't bad. It wasn't something that catches your attention. Oh, he's lyrical miracle. He can rap, though. He can rap, he can rap. I love the stories, I love the introspection, I love the fact that he's balancing real life things right. If you're Cordy, I look at Cordy like this and this is why I'm going to flip it back to you. Cooke, here's why I get to it. He got a song with Nas. You're my friend now, right, because you're my friend, You're my friend, I can't with Sean man.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I can't take his dude seriously. I see COF putting up.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I can't take his dude seriously. I was about to go to Big Sean. You hear Big Sean in that, you hear J Cole in that, you hear Kanye in that. You got a smorgasbord of different people.
Speaker 1:You can't be an offshoot of Big Sean.
Speaker 3:You really can't. He sounded like Big Sean a. You really can't, I need 2024. He sounded like Big Sean a few years ago, honestly.
Speaker 2:That's why I said you create your own glass ceiling, because if you're going to do that, you have to be close to as good as the person you're imitating. When, Mike you know what I'm saying when Kobe was imitating Mike, he was damn close to being as good as Mike. That's what I'm saying. Mike, he was damn close to being as good as Mike.
Speaker 1:How about this? This is why I always loved how left field Cudi went after the Kanye shit. I always loved that for Cudi because stylistically, after listening to his first album, it was trippy and hippie. But it was too much in Kanye's world and he knew it and he went left. Cam DMX big pun cannabis. He like J and he went left Cam DMX big pun cannabis. He's like Jadakiss chic style. He's like oh shit, this is not going to work. Me doing this rapping ass, rapping shit against these niggas Range. Look like Laffy Taffy Killer thing.
Speaker 2:I nominated Cam for the Discord Dialogues this week, but he didn't win. Man, Cam's my guy.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is sometimes you got to switch speeds on these niggas to make it work. I don't see any of these guys switching speeds. They just sound like Kanye and Cole and Sean and Drake.
Speaker 3:He had a plan that doesn't sound like Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Kendrick doesn't record enough material for anybody to sound like him, but that's a whole other conversation for another day.
Speaker 3:He had a plan going into this album. He had a vision board. He definitely had a vision board.
Speaker 1:They had a party too.
Speaker 3:That vision board. He had Kanye Cole, everybody that's influenced me, everybody that I got my style from. That I got the love for hip-hop from. I'm going to emulate that. That's on his vision board. You got Wayne on two tracks. You call Wayne your OG on two of those tracks. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You want to know what it is, sean. When you say that, no, sean, I'm about to say something very real. When you say that, I realize part of our problem for our generation with this generation of rappers we don't know who they are because they don't know who they are.
Speaker 3:Bingo. That's why we can't connect to them. That's why the music doesn't sit.
Speaker 1:We like to know who niggas are. It's like nigga, who is you? Where are you from? What'd you do? How?
Speaker 2:Where are you from? What'd you do? How'd you get here? Yeah, you gotta have an identity, that's all your own. Who co-signed you nigga, who said you was okay to come around Emulating is okay, but you gotta have an identity of your own established. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yes, because it don't draw you in. What draws you into Cordae? What story that you can say, man, I like this guy.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you some real shit. I know him as a tennis fan. I did not know who he was until he started fucking with Naomi Osaka. He started fucking with her when she was the number one player in the world and was winning majors. I'm a tennis fan. This is around the time that my daughter is in a USTA tennis academy and we are watching Osaka together. I'm like you can do that one day. You know what I'm saying. That's how I know him and my daughter's the one that put me on to him. I'm like who's the rapper? Because I could just tell by how he was dressed. She's like who the rapper?
Speaker 3:She's like that's Kornay daddy, I'm like who the's nothing that strikes you to say man, I want to tap into this guy's story. I want to hear you know where he came from. I want to hear what he has to say. We follow the rappers that we feel like they said something that resonated to us. It resonated with us, no matter what it is, whether it's a drug story, they were like man, that's a fascinating story.
Speaker 1:It doesn't even have to be that DMX literally spoke for the people in poverty. That's why I felt him so much. I was in poverty.
Speaker 2:You have not.
Speaker 1:People have this misconception too, thinking that everybody in the hood is broke. Everybody in the hood is not broke. Everybody in the hood isn't living in poverty. Dmx was speaking for the people living in the hood, in poverty.
Speaker 1:I was one of those people living in poverty therefore resonated differently. It's like you don't even have to go stick a nigga up with a gun every day, like he was to understand what he is talking about. When you are living in poverty, therefore, I connect because the part of him that doesn't have is making him do what it is that he does, and I understand the manifestation of that because when you come from poverty, that's what it does for you, right? I don't know what any of this shit does for cordae. That's why I'm saying I'm bringing up X, because, well, it's like. Well, x wasn't like a dealer, really, he's just an orphan child. You know what I'm saying. But he resonated for a generation of us that came from the projects, that knew what it was like to be hungry, like when he said you know what I mean? I'm just robbing to eat. Oh no, the part of me that had spent nights hungry knew what the fuck he was talking about. It resonated. You have to have those connecting moments with the audience.
Speaker 2:But to that point it's not for a lack of trying, because you know, like I said, he had a joint about his father, his mother, I mean sorry about being a father, about his grandmother, about his mother. The introspection is there but to y'all's point, it's nothing that really pulls you in. So he's attempting these acts to be introspective and tell you about himself, but it's veiled in emulating another artist and he doesn't have his own identity, so it gets lost in the soft sauce, if that makes sense. You know what I'm saying. So he's attempting to do these things, he just doesn't have his own identity.
Speaker 1:step established think about this. What? What makes wu-tang so special?
Speaker 2:the chambers of the artists when you're on a different personality all the different personalities that come from stepping into the chamber.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know what ghost is gonna's going to be soulful, you know. With Dirty, it's going to be wild. With Ray, it's going to be street. With Giz, it's going to be lyrical and dense. With Capadonna, it's going to be overrated.
Speaker 2:This is where we're going to move on. He's been waiting on that one. That joint was like a fab punchline.
Speaker 1:I can see you setting that up like a few bars ahead waiting for the opportunity, waiting for the opportunity, but no, but you know, close, but no cigar, it's just my youngest sister, my sister's 15, my youngest sister's 15 years younger than me. So that puts her in her late 20s still. And she told me like this we was out of the club. God damn, it's been I hate to say it, it's been about eight years. We was at a club about eight years ago and she just rolled up on me. She was like yo Coop.
Speaker 1:She was like we know this music ain't no good, it's just the vibe. We know it ain't no good, it's just the vibe. We know it ain't gonna hold. She walked away, sipped her little drink, walked away and shit, and I'm thinking like, oh, okay, and that's really kind of like, it's really. My takeaway from this era too is it's like oh no, it's just the vibe. For a moment, once you ride that wave, it's like it's done. All these guys is just like riding a wave. It's not sticking to our ribs. I don't know if it's sticking to their generation of.
Speaker 2:Moves too fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I thought my sister kind of summed it up kind of nicely. She was talking about her generation, but then she promptly hopped in the car, drunk as funk, and started singing Drake. And that's what I mean about how Drake's fucking ass isn't going anywhere because Drake hit different. It's like she said that to me, me, and then she hopped in the car and she's saying Drake. I'm like, yeah, but Drake different, future different. You know what I'm saying? Even Kendrick and Cole different. Those guys resonate different. They have separated themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they are all vets and they're on their I don't want to say on their way out, but if you look at who the culture is, this was eight years ago, so they weren't vets, they were in their prime.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. I'm saying present day. If you look at who the culture is getting past the baton to, it's really scary. You know what I'm saying? Because when it's Cole, kendrick, drake, future, all of them hang it up Like what do? We got to look forward to Somebody to really be consistent within the culture.
Speaker 1:And as far as making quality albums, it appears one of them is already hung it up, unless we hear anything differently.
Speaker 2:But anyway, oh, real quick before we go on the main topic, the Snoop single. Did y'all hear it? It dropped today.
Speaker 1:Oh well, that's why I was about to talk about it. Okay, go ahead. I mean not just Snoop AG. This is Snoop and Dr Dre. Yep, this is Snoop and Dr Dre. They not about to skate on Snoop's name? You not about to skate on Snoop's name? Both of you niggas gonna take this L that I said that you were gonna take from making this album. You're gonna take this L together like a family.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? What do you mean? I was there. I was like yo, this is. I don't see this happening. No, not you two.
Speaker 1:Dre and Snoop. They're trying to make a Snoop record. You look up Snoop, the record pop up. You look up Dre, you got to scroll down. Nah, nigga, yeah, nah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't hit expectations. You've been shaping up.
Speaker 3:well, I'm not going to lie. This is not shaping up. Well, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:This is better than the first one, though the beat on this one is better than the first one. I don't like the hook with that paper planes interpolation. I don't like that.
Speaker 1:You better off getting the shape up by Ray Charles nigga.
Speaker 2:We just established that I was bald, so I don't think where you could go wrong if you had the clippers on my head, like if I'm keeping it a buck, like, but yo for real, I mean, pretty much they're 0 for 2. You know what I'm saying? Like, as far as expectations are concerned, this is better than the first effort in my opinion, but as far as the expectations, no, actually Coop. You know what you said. Your sister was talking about this current era's for vibes, and I think that's why they missed the mark on this first two. I think they were going for vibey records instead of just doing what they do best, that classic West Coast G-Funk type records. They were going for vibey stuff.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, this record is better than the first one. That's not saying a lot. That makes me frightened for this album.
Speaker 2:It's like saying it's the tallest midget why you guys got every you don't get us like canceled man, like you always talking about midgets man, the people the tallest of the person, the little people.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. You're right, I saw one in the airport too.
Speaker 2:Man All right, so we're moving on. We're moving on. Next topic Coop. Nah, we're not doing this today, sean.
Speaker 3:We are not doing this today? We can't.
Speaker 1:It's with the E's that he said the N-word. It's like when Trump voters use the N-word it's not that you use it, it's the E's that you're using.
Speaker 2:Sean said it was the little hill, not the big hill, not capital.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't want to get, I don't want to get tarred and feathered for my political beliefs or for Sean's incentive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we will get demonetized at some point.
Speaker 1:This is ridiculous. What do you mean? That's a point, nigga, we've been getting demonetized Right. At some point. What do you mean? At some point We've been getting beat up. First of all, you're working with Coop. You're probably losing about $50 a month. Just off the strip of my mouth. You're probably losing $50 a month. Sean has proven himself to be quite the character in the C2. That's what I'm saying. Look he, look, look he is. He's like. I see your Rasheed Wallace with Draymond Green. They're going to take these kicks to the nuts.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, what are you going to do? I'm sorry, I'm back. Talk good.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. Happy anniversary of the Kingdom Cup also. You know what I'm sorry for that. Happy anniversary to Kingdom Cup also. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you, like a woman told me last week Don't be sorry, be better, damn dude, damn dude. She told me twice. The conversation in between is about how I don't listen to shit. Come fast to FedEx't listen to shit.
Speaker 3:Come fast to FedEx and bust too quick.
Speaker 1:We got to move on to the next topic.
Speaker 3:Let me submit this to you Fuck's given was zero.
Speaker 1:Fuck's given was zero. I was just looking like.
Speaker 3:You try to be all coy man. If this was off camera he would be going crazy right now. Be a little type of way.
Speaker 2:Why are you trying to snitch on me, bro?
Speaker 1:Okay, j Cole, thank you. Coop has decided to release a new audio series called the Inevitable yes Okay, ag. I've heard that. You've heard this. Is that correct? Correct, before you talk about the things that you have heard, do you mind if I make a couple of statements? Do it. I don't give a fuck about what.
Speaker 2:I don't know what he's even on.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck about no goddamn audio series called the Inevitable.
Speaker 2:He wants the album.
Speaker 1:Where in the fuck is my album? It's November 20. What the fuck, dave? What is today? It is November 21st 2024. We're talking about some motherfucking audio series. Nigga, if you don't stop playing with me.
Speaker 3:This is the rollout.
Speaker 1:I don't care what is it. This is the rollout for the album. No, this is the rollout, nigga, we need to roll up and smoke through this shit.
Speaker 2:It's the rollout man. The album's coming, the album's coming. It's the rollout man, the album's coming, the album's coming, it's the rollout. And you know what In real talk. I think it's a positive distraction from all the negative press Cole has been getting this year.
Speaker 1:You want to know what will fix all of that negative press he's been getting this year. I know an album. The album of the year nigga.
Speaker 2:But you got to admit Cole, the album of the year, nigga. But you gotta admit Cole is the king of the rollout, the whole dollar in the dream thing. You know what I'm saying? The feature runs. Now you got this audio series which essentially is just a podcast. If you heard his sideline story interlude on there where he talks about getting signed by Jay-Z, the whole thing is in that format, basically long story, less long.
Speaker 2:Him and his longtime friend from saint john, uh, saint john's name is e abraham, they call him eve, he's the president of dreamville. You know they were going to find uh eve's laptop to retrieve an old song that Cole recorded. So in doing that they pulled all this information no, sorry, not information, but songs off of that and started reminiscing on it. So they took eight days out, they said and recorded conversation about Cole's rise to stardom from when he was at St John's, getting in the game signed to Jay-Z, so on and so forth, and they're breaking it down into a mini series and they release an episode every couple of days, basically. But it's really cool, hold on, let me cut, let me cut. You done said your crazy shit. So basically, all this is is a rollout for the album because cole is trying to show where he came from as an artist to get here today. Now they said they claim might be capped. They claim that this was recorded in 2022, so they rolling it out now as a means to lead up to the fall off.
Speaker 2:But you can't hate on the marketing from it, because it's genius marketing, because the initial episode was based around the come up, his first mixtape, which had his 17th year anniversary the other day and hit dsps for the first time ever. So that begs the question is cole, leading up to his album, gonna get momentum and traction by dropping dropping all his famous mixtapes that people have been clamoring for? So we probably got that. It's genius marketing. It's genius marketing. It's genius marketing. I can't even be mad at it, because people have been wanting that mixtape for a long time and yo, I'm a mixtape fan. If that opens the doors for samples to get cleared and more mixtapes to get on streaming services, then cool, let's do it, because every like Lil Wayne has done it, drake has done it, now Cole's doing it. So if all the bigger artists can do it you know what I'm saying let's get mixtapes on DSPs. Cold is a marketing genius man, I don't care what, nobody say about him this is a rollout.
Speaker 1:That's cool. It's a great marketing genius from a rapper. I'd like him to be a rap genius and make an album of the year. How about that?
Speaker 2:The album is coming. I got faith in Cold.
Speaker 1:Is it going to be an album of the year? Because that might delete later shit.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it'd be hard to outdo the Gibbs. I got Gibbs at number one right now.
Speaker 1:I can't front. I listened to the Gibbs again this week I might have to put the Gibbs in front of the Raptors too. The Gibbs is tough.
Speaker 2:Alright, now, sean, y'all go back and forth with the haters Boom.
Speaker 3:Yo, Tracy G got a super chat.
Speaker 1:Tracy G J Cole literally dropped an album in April. What the hell we know, tracy, and it wasn't good enough. Next, esquire 601 with the $5 super chat. This is the album rollout for Cole's day one fans, the stories they're giving are actually dope. Warm up. And FNL are certified classics. First of all, those aren't certified classics. That has nothing to do with album of the year.
Speaker 2:Friday Night Lights is. Yeah, it is. Friday Nights is a classic. Friday Nights is a definite classic 1,000%.
Speaker 1:No, that's questionable.
Speaker 2:No 1,000% classic.
Speaker 1:I think Born Sinner is Born Sinner and Forest Hills are the unquestionable ones for me. Friday Night Lights not so much. Friday Night Lights is fine.
Speaker 2:But to his point. You know the conversation that they have been about finding out about who drake was. When he's coming up in like damn, this dude's like really killing it. Like you know I'm saying and um, getting signed to jay and how they came up with the dreamville name and just the pitfalls of just being a regular person trying to make it in the industry and what that took on the grind. Like you know I'm saying it's actually dope stories on there. But the only thing I don't like is but you know, but I ain't gonna complain, it's behind the ten dollar paywall. You pay ten dollars, you get all the episodes when they drop or whatever. You know, we come from the era of playing, paying for albums, so I ain't complaining about that. But if it was free for people, more people would tap in.
Speaker 1:Okay. So this nigga need to do better. I really don't have any plans. I don't care about his genius. Nobody cares about your marketing genius. When you're number 15 of your career Like no, he's playing for championships I get what. You're number 15 of your career Like no, he's playing for championships. Like I get what you're saying and I hear the things that you're highlighting, ag. So I don't want to like try to make it seem like I'm stepping on your comments, but I do feel like that your comments aren't directed towards what the goal is at this point. The goal at this point in his career career to attain the things that he hasn't attained.
Speaker 1:Well, we know that he's a marketing genius. We know that he's capable of doing a dope rollout. He's got classic songs, he's got classic albums. In my opinion, those classic albums, in my opinion, are not classic enough to elevate him. He is yet to make the album of the year for someone that is as lauded as him, has applauded as him, for somebody that is even in this conversation for being top three for his era. You need an album of the year. Like we did not cover the Chronic 2001 because we just kind of covered it when we because we've been talking about this Snoop and Dre shit all year. First of all, I still don't think it's dropping this year. Told you niggas, it wasn't dropping this year, even though we're getting these mid-ass songs from them. But the reality of the matter is that Dr Dre has made the album of the year twice guys 2014.
Speaker 2:Forest Hill Drive wasn't an album of the year when it came out. I can't think of a better album off the top of my head.
Speaker 3:What year did it come out? Sean Stott man, exactly, if you have to think about it, it should be automatic. It should be automatic.
Speaker 1:I don't care what anybody says and I'm not being hard on him 2014,.
Speaker 2:Sean 2014.
Speaker 1:I'm not being hard on him because I'm a North Carolina native, but in my opinion he just has not had that moment that Kendrick has had, that Drake has had, that Kanye has had. How about this A go? Supreme clientele moment A common B moment no, he. Supreme Clientele moment A Common B moment no, he has not had that moment.
Speaker 2:Of course, his job was the moment. It's not the years of the album title, literally.
Speaker 1:AG, ag. I'm telling you I was here for that. I'm telling you that wasn't enough.
Speaker 2:It was a whole moment.
Speaker 1:If you feel like it was a moment, I'm going to tell you there is nobody that the entire time that that album was out and doing what it was doing, that thought he was the best MC of the game because of where Kendrick was. Not one person felt that way, so that moment wasn't like that. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that moment where you're the guy and nobody's asking questions about it. Supreme clientele, be by common Stillmatic the blueprint, illmatic, reasonable, doubt, ready to Doubt. It's dark and it was hot, not when you're a guy, not when you're high on the food chain, but for that moment it's like no, that's that, motherfucker right I think those are two independent variables, because I don't think you have to be the guy to have an album of the year.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Like you can have an album of the year and not be the top artist, so you know. But I look at it like this, and me and my homie was talking about this earlier today is I don't see why you shitting on this rollout as far as the album's concerned, because to me this is no different than what Drake is doing with the 100 gigs but you thought that was dope. It's the same thing, just a different way. Drake did it with visual rollout of everything previously in his career has been the man before.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess like you can say what you want.
Speaker 2:Thank me later, take care but it's just not the same type of rollout. Drake did it with visuals, with that, you know. He did it with songs and the hard drive dump of, like all those videos Cole is doing and he's previewing unreleased music on this podcast or audio joint like that. You know what I'm saying? That they have on the left side.
Speaker 1:Your path isn't Drake's path. You're the rapper's rapper of the bunch when the fucking records at.
Speaker 2:He's still a marketing genius man.
Speaker 1:That's fine. Where the fucking records at.
Speaker 2:You got to have a rollout if you're going to put out a big record and create a moment. Where are the records? Create a moment. You act like your reputation is on the line because you're from North Carolina.
Speaker 1:I'm so tired of hearing about everything that he's great at. Where are the fucking records, though? Ag?
Speaker 2:The album is done. If you listen to them, tell it, the album is done.
Speaker 1:Where are?
Speaker 2:they at. This is called Marketing 101.
Speaker 1:Hold on, didn't you just say this podcast? Did you listen to this stuff?
Speaker 2:you listened to it, right yeah, 100% did you hear some unreleased songs yeah, I had $10 for it hold on.
Speaker 1:Did you listen to the unreleased songs? Are there unreleased songs on there? Yeah, there are unreleased songs on there yeah, they play unreleased stuff, joyce.
Speaker 2:They produce and they rap on, but it's like it's from. They're working through the errors. This is all 2007, 2008 stuff. Right we're at right now.
Speaker 1:So that 2024 stuff, that album of the year stuff, it's not on there, is it?
Speaker 1:No, I don't know if it's going to be anything like because they said they recorded this stuff in 22, so I don't know when it's going to stop. What are we doing? Hold on, hold on, hold on. So what are we doing at this stage in his career? Is he playing for championships or is he playing for steals, titles and scoring titles and assist titles? Because what you're explaining to me is somebody that's playing for all the ancillary parts and not for the championship ring.
Speaker 2:Why not? Because he's always going to be third after this point, for bowing out An album is not going to save that. I don't care what records he dropped, that's not going to save the situation. He's going to be third.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with that. That's my point.
Speaker 2:No, he's going to be. I don't care if he drops his magnum opus. He's going to be third because of what transpired earlier this year. So that's why I'm not mad at him doing this rollout Like do you, bro? It ain't going to change nothing.
Speaker 1:Been hanging around Sean too long.
Speaker 2:It's not going to change anything, Coop. I don't care if he releases a Cuban Lynx.
Speaker 1:It's not going to change anything. Stop for a second. Didn't you just call Friday Night Lights a classic? It is Do you think Born center is a classic?
Speaker 2:that's my favorite cole album. Friday night lights is a classic mixtape. That's two totally different things do you?
Speaker 1:do you think it's a classic?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's classic born center. I don't think it's a classic, but that's my favorite. Being objective, I don't think it's a classic I think more center is a classic.
Speaker 1:You think 2014 forest hills is a classic?
Speaker 2:that's his. If he has any stake to a classic album, that would be the one.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you something. How many rappers from this generation are walking around? You remember Vilmatic. Do you think Vilmatic is a classic mixtape?
Speaker 2:He don't have a mixtape called Vilmatic. You from North Carolina, bro? He has a song called Vilmatic, not a mixtape called Bill Maddox. You from North Carolina, bro? He has a song called Bill Maddox not a mixtape.
Speaker 1:That was the original mixtape was called.
Speaker 2:It was called Bill Maddox he has the come up, then he has the warm up, then he has Friday Night Lights and then he has Truly Yours EPs the come up was originally called Bill Maddox.
Speaker 1:That's what we called it.
Speaker 2:That's not a classic. You think the warm's not a classic?
Speaker 1:It's dope, but not a classic. You think the warm-up is a classic.
Speaker 2:No, but it's real dope. He leveled up. Each mixtape he leveled up. That's why Friday Night Lights is that pinnacle. That's his classic mixtape.
Speaker 1:So he has a classic mixtape.
Speaker 2:And one classic album.
Speaker 1:In your opinion, and you don't think making another classic album an album of the year changes things for him?
Speaker 2:in regards to what?
Speaker 1:because then you got to start thinking about it. Ag, how many guys are walking around with that? That's what I'm saying he's going to be. Third, he's getting the bars regardless his contemporaries are walking around with two classics and a classic mixtape under their belt, right. So this is the catch up, so it does matter, because both of them have two classic albums and a classic mixtape. He doesn't. He's got one in one, like you said, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he'll still have an asterisk beside his name because by default, he pulled himself out of the discussion at this point. So it's like no matter what quality he puts out, he's still going to be looked at as third. Don't get me wrong he's my favorite out of the three. If I'm talking about my favorite, mc Cole is by far my favorite between Drake, kendrick and Cole. But I have to be objective. On any all-time ranking and a current era ranking, he has to be below them objectively because of how this all shook out and what transpired.
Speaker 1:That's just how it is. Did it ever occur to you that he was below them? Objectively? About the music, though, Not until now.
Speaker 2:Not until now.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. He's still behind them on the musical front. That was always about him.
Speaker 2:But I see what you're saying, but dropping the classic now, after this, doesn't change it's too late. It's too late. That's not going to change the status right at this point you don't think if he it'll be a great redemption arc. It'll be a great redemption arc, but it's not going to change anything.
Speaker 1:So you don't think, if he makes the album of the year this, year next, that it changes anything.
Speaker 2:No, I don't, and that's unfortunate because I love Cole.
Speaker 1:Even if it supersedes the projects that they release in a subsequent or proximity of the same frame of time. Nope and I love Cole, so you think that it was that bad?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was damaging, real damaging.
Speaker 3:Okay, we got a super chat, coop Super chat. Who is this? Tracy G? I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1:Hold on. We got the Esquire super chat. Tracy G Nah Coop, you literally just said these young niggas don't know who they are and they need to be listening to his audio series, hella, inspirational. You see where he got his marketing genius. Keep all the hate for Kenny, remember? No, I told you I hate all these niggas.
Speaker 2:Equal opportunity, equal opportunity.
Speaker 1:I don't like nobody. Tracy G, stop it. Fella Cole is not number three, he's the GOAT, period. Tracy G, we have had these conversations. I go, period. Tracy G, we have had these conversations. I'm gonna wrap my arms around you and just give you some hard truth, like a family member who loves you. Okay, you've got a problem and this is a J Cole intervention. Okay, he's number three until further notice. All right, keep going.
Speaker 2:I think we already read the one up on the screen now we already read that you still got one for.
Speaker 3:CJ, but this is going to take us in. We didn't get this one. It's going to take us in the Discord dialogues, though.
Speaker 2:Yo CJ's wild Treachery Shout out to my son George.
Speaker 1:Also. Aj already knows this, but for now the Discord on Treach will be addressed as treachery. Lol. First of all, cj, you better not knock the hustle on Tretch. Let's get to our Discord dialogue. Artist of the week. Tretch from Naughty. By Nature personal favorite, one of the most underrated MCs of all time. Sean, tell us what some of your thoughts are about Tretch from Naughty.
Speaker 3:Where is Clayton, Y'all take it. I'm about to go into the Y'all do Discord dialogues. I go into the chat to put our stuff up. It's y'all thing right here.
Speaker 1:Nah, nigga, you go into the chat and call me a hater. I be reading the chat, that's what you be doing.
Speaker 3:I'm about to put gasoline in the fire.
Speaker 1:Calling me a hater in the chat. Not doing admin work.
Speaker 2:I thought Sean was just dipping out and he would just talk about him when it was Somebody Queens. But he didn't do that for Cool G Rap, so I couldn't indict him with that.
Speaker 1:It doesn't change the fact he'd be in the chat calling me a hater Under the Hip Hop Talks brand. He'd be like Coop is a hater, like I'm not part of Hip Hop Talks. It's like Hip Hop Talk stop calling me a hater.
Speaker 2:That's accurate. Your views and opinions doesn't necessarily reflect that of the show.
Speaker 2:Yo man Shout out to Trench Naughty by Nature. If y'all don't know, we have a Discord group and each week we vote for artists that might not get their flowers, or in the news cycle. So we try to have some nominations of people to talk about, or in the news cycle. So we try to have some nominations of people to talk about. And, um, this week it so happened to be Tretch from naughty by nature. So we want to take time to salute him and give him his flowers.
Speaker 2:Um, one thing I'll say about Tretch. You know, when Tretch was really popping I was like yo, you know what I'm saying. I was deep in the rap, but you know it was a clear, you know, level difference in the group. You know what I mean. So when we was, even as a kid, when I was checking into Naughty by Nature, it was to see what, you know, tretch was spitting. You know what I'm saying. Vinny was serviceable but I wanted to see what Tretch was talking about.
Speaker 2:But their run of three albums, like the self-titled joint in 91, and then 1993 and 93, and then Paradise in 95, those run of albums was really, really dope and I kind of fell off the wagon at that point. But what I will say about Tretch is he's underappreciated and I don't think he gets enough credit. Because in an era where you know they had big, massive singles like crossover hits and I think they kind of got with the OPP and hip-hop arrays and stuff, they might have got kind of pegged as, like you know, popish and commercial or whatever, but Tretch would really get to it on the lyrics. But I think it a lot of people missed that and it was over people's heads because he was using the rapid, you know double time flow and you know a lot of people weren't following it. But when you broke it down Tretch was really spitting.
Speaker 2:And he's nice as a lyricist man and you know he represents Jersey If I'm pulling people to, you know, the forefront to represent their city, you know what I'm saying. He's one of those guys like he's up there with Redman and Latipa when it comes to representing Jersey, like he's going to be in that starting five. And you know he tried his hand at acting, which is a pretty dope actor. We talked about that with Dave East. So you know Tretch was multi-talented man and I just don't think he ever got enough credit as a lyricist over the course of his career, but shout out to the likes of Eminem, who keeps Tretch's name alive and, like, cites him as one of his main points of inspiration and is one of the dopest MCs that you know. He holds high. So Tretch, one of those guys, man, that's really killed it. But don't get that, just do.
Speaker 1:I agree with you on most of what you said, ag. I believe that, outside of Redman and Lauren Hill, he's the best MC ever.
Speaker 2:I forgot about Lauren. Lauren's jersey too. Yeah, lauren, latifah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So for me it would go Redman, lauren, and then I would go Tretch at three. What if I told you that he's actually, in 1991 and 92, more impactful and a better MC than Tupac? Yeah, who'supac. Yeah, who's his friend? I think the thing, what happened to Trench, is that the style that Trench mastered better and far above and beyond everybody for his time, which was that double time rapid fire flow. First of all, there's nobody better than him at it from that era.
Speaker 2:It just got outdated.
Speaker 1:It just got outdated really fast. But as far as who was the best at it, he was the best at it For the time that it was popularized and wrapped, and so what I think he's a victim of is I think he's a victim of being a supreme talent in a short-lived era. The era of style of rhyming that he rhymed with was short-lived, but when he did it and while he did it, oh, he was the best at it and was so dope at it that it made him viable for years after, even when that style had passed, because he was still just so nice as an MC, he still had a great rapping voice. He still had a great delivery punchlines. His flow was very uncanny and very, very, very silky smooth. For it to be as fast and rapid fire as it was, he had a lot of butter to his flow. He definitely, as far as early 90s MCs, is the most underrated of all of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's one of the most underrated mcs of all time.
Speaker 1:If I was doing a mount rushmore of underrated mcs all time, he's probably on that list right now because I feel like guys like az and the black thought, who were underrated, have now become more appropriately rated over time. Tretch is still not appropriately rated.
Speaker 2:Even with all-time hits, still not.
Speaker 1:Even with all-time hits, even some of the lesser hits, he is out rapping these niggas. Feel Me Flow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that song.
Speaker 1:Craziest. These are some of their lower-level hits, everybody knows. Opp and Hip Hop Paray Uptown Anthem. The verse on Vibin' Remix. The verse on Girl Like you on Aaliyah's One in a Million album, tretch actually, I mean Tretch, really never spit a whack verse that you heard.
Speaker 2:Nah, tretch gets busy and I'm glad you brought up that point about the era changing and kind of leaving him behind. It's almost like being the best mid-range shooter in the nba when they putting up all these threes now. It kind of like phases you out. You know what I'm saying, because you can't even find your spot in the offense.
Speaker 1:So you know who he is. He's um for for his era he would be DeMar DeRozan. Great analogy, great analogy yep, he's DeMar DeRozan. It's like, oh no, when the era was playing his way one of your 15 best players in an all-NBA selection and 25 points a game. The game changes a little bit Same numbers, but not as impactful, but still a viable force and still somebody to be reckoned with on the microphone. Definitely that he's not going down like a Kawhi or KD or LeBron or Steph or Westbrook, he's not like that but, that next level, that next torch.
Speaker 1:I do think he's one of the. But, like that next level, that next torch, I do think he's one of the 50 greatest MCs I ever heard. Yeah, no doubt, no question. Yeah, no, he'd be on the back end of my 50, but he would still be there. I think the work is there for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, salute the trash and naughty by nature. Kd all up.
Speaker 3:Yo, just real quick because we got some new people in the chat. Those of you who are watching who's new, our Discord dialogues each week. I put all of our links in the chat. I put the Facebook link in the chat, twitter, as well as our Discord. Every week, ag would put an actual poll in our Discord asking the Discord team who they want us to give flowers to for that particular week, for the upcoming week, for our show, and it's a very important segment for us because we get a chance to tap into a different populace of hip-hop artists and we allow the Discord to actually select the people, select the artists and they vote on the artists and whoever comes up with, of course, get the highest vote, which is this week with tretch. Um, we talk about it. So this is a very important segment for us. So those of you who are now part of the discord, please join our discord. Uh, please come out there. You know, chop it up with the guys in the discord, the ladies in the.
Speaker 3:The conversations are continuous and great things like this happen. We get a chance to talk about a legend like Tretch, someone who I think Tretch get his flowers, but he may not get his flowers enough. He is one of. He's a one of one. I don't like the DeMar DeRozan analogy, but so much to be quite honest. I think that Tretch is Nobody asked you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Give me a second, as I was saying, I don't like that DeMar DeRozan piece of it, because I do think that Tretch has had a phenomenal. Give me a second. Yeah, I think he had a phenomenal career. I really do. I think he had a phenomenal career. I think that you know, AJ. I think you said you stated that the time may have passed. You know just errors, but I don't think he. I don't think he stayed as active. The time may have passed for him, Just eras. I don't think he stayed as active when the era started shifting. I think Tretch could have coasted in a different era if he really wanted to.
Speaker 1:He's that dope of an artist. Can I ask you all something right quick while you're bringing that up, sean? Legitimate question. Did he hurt his all-time great status by not releasing a solo album after the audience was done? Short answer yes. Do you think that would there have been a market for a Tretch solo album in, let's say, 96, 97?
Speaker 3:Yes, Absolutely Definitely 96. Definitely 96.
Speaker 2:Because you look at all the rappers using the rapid-fire flow around. That time he could have found a pocket of lane to like. You know what I'm saying platinum, platinum.
Speaker 1:Platinum platinum plaque in 96 for Tretch, even with all the heavy hitters it's not far off so where does the album rank, though? Like what does the Tretch solo album sound like? I think KG is underrated as a producer too. Yeah, it depends on the production. So who does he go to for production in 1996, outside of KG, that's?
Speaker 2:why I'm asking.
Speaker 3:That's a good one, that's a good question. Eric Thurman.
Speaker 2:I don't know if the styles match up, but I see the vision, though I don't know. I don't know Because you match up, but I see the vision, though I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know Because you're thinking more.
Speaker 1:So, redman, in that vein, I'm thinking Jersey to Long Island.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Queens. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Think about this. This is what I mean about Tretchen here's why I'm asking this question. The stylistically he fit with what goes on in that New York, new Jersey, scene, like how about this? The Fugees, salah and Remy, helped them a lot in terms of crafting out their style. Who's going to help Tretch craft his style in 96? Think about it. Havoc is working on Hell on Earth and contributing to it Was Written what would you say about Pock and?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? Preem is doing everything.
Speaker 2:But you alluded to Pock and Tretch being friends and they were very close. What if you see a type of situation where Tretch was over on Death Row? I love that. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying I would love to hear Tretch over some Daz and some Dr Dre Nah.
Speaker 3:Not at that time. At that time he was staying more mutual than anything.
Speaker 1:I could have seen what if Tretch is on Ambition as a writer with Pac? That's the remix.
Speaker 3:That's not Tretch. I think he would have floated on that.
Speaker 2:I don't know right, I think he've floated on that. I don't know right.
Speaker 1:I think he can float on that beat.
Speaker 3:I think if anything, if Tretch was going down that road, he would've probably kept tried to keep Pac away from the crash out stuff in 96. Yeah, because Tretch was still fair, big homie shit. Yeah on some like yo, you gotta slow it down, you gotta relax over here type of deal. Tretch was on that type of time during that time. I think that's part of why he I think he even mentioned it before like he was conflicted, you know, because he had ties on both sides.
Speaker 2:But right before the jump off of that era. They were you know what I'm saying really hanging out heavy. I mean Tretch is in the Whatta man video With Tretch.
Speaker 1:Pac is there. I'm pretty certain Tretch had something to do with Pac being Getting in the video. He's dating the other front woman and Pac ends up in bed with Salt. Who's the other front woman for Salt? I'm pretty certain Tretch had something to do with that Of course.
Speaker 3:Of course Alright.
Speaker 1:We're going to pause do with it, of course, of course, okay, all right, we're going to pause on the Tretch and Pock Talk and we're going to move to our Press Play segment. As we close out the evening, fellas, as usual. I'm going to set it off, as usual, without reading y'all's list. I know my list is better because I'm inherently better at judging and listening to music, even when it's arbitrary. But that's neither here nor there. All right, let's start things off with a classic guys, and I think it might be DJ Premier's most underrated classic song, and that's the Come Up With AZ guys.
Speaker 1:I've been playing the Come Up constantly. I think this is the most underrated classic preem record of all the classic preem records, and I'm talking about the come up constantly. I think this is the most classic Supreme record of all the classic Supreme records, and I'm talking about from A1 rappers. I hate when I be like, oh man, this is the best of the Supreme. They be like, oh, Group Home Living Proof. It's like no, you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about that A1 MC shit.
Speaker 2:Do you like it better than Rakim when I be on the mic? I do. Yeah, I think those are close, but I love the come up. The come up is one of my favorite, like AZ records period how about this?
Speaker 1:I put the come up on par with. It's been a long time, uh, friend or foe 98 okay um, it's better than come and get me off.
Speaker 2:Nostradamus and New York State of Mind, part 2 for me, I agree but here's the thing I don't think they work together enough, because AZ sounds super comfortable and flawless over Primo production he sounds so slick sliding on Primo shit, it's really because he got to come up in the format, and then I can't think of anything else but those two. If AZ locked in with Premo, I think we could get something special.
Speaker 1:How about this? I like the come up just as much as I like Boom with Royce. That's what I think of the come up. I think the come up is Boom level with Royce.
Speaker 2:Nah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1:And I think A's bars are actually better Than Royce's are on Boom, which is saying a lot. That's right. Yeah, it's like that. Next, I'd kind of like to slow it down. I'd like to slow down the mood. I'm going to put you on to a little something new In the mood by the Whispers. This is not new. Look at those mustaches. That's what I want to talk about. Sean AG, do you see those mustaches? Those are fantastic.
Speaker 1:They all look like Dennis Graham. When you have a mustache like that and you sing like that, girls are giving you ass after the show. All right, when they're talking about in the mood, they're like all I need to do is sing this song. Wear this 1965 porno mustache in the mood. How Wear this?
Speaker 2:1965 porno, mustache in the mood. How do you know Coop have?
Speaker 1:you ever had a mustache like that?
Speaker 2:Coop has done all the things. You look like Gordon on.
Speaker 3:Sesame Street Chill out man.
Speaker 1:The handle says all the things. Have I had the handlebar mustache before?
Speaker 3:Yes, I have.
Speaker 1:Coop has done all the things. Yeah, that dude off the village people, the um no, no, no, no, no, like dude off love boat. You gotta get you a love boat. You gotta get you a love boat oh. I grew it out once when I was in Cali. That's nasty. She was like if you want? She was like if you want to sleep with me, again Rocking the handle bar. No, she was like if you want to sleep with me again. Cut that shit off. I was like okay.
Speaker 1:That's nasty work, I can't man, I can't, I've done it all. Peter Paul said try them all, so I did guys. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3:That is nasty.
Speaker 1:We're going to keep it with the grooves, guys. We're going to keep it with the vibes A little bit more notarized and familiar group, the Isley Brothers with here we Go Again. What if I told you that the Isley Brothers were the greatest band in history? What if I told you they, the Isley Brothers, were the greatest band in history? What if I told you they were the greatest American band in history?
Speaker 2:That's my uncle's family. I grew up with a lot of Isley Brothers in the house that's my uncle's. I used to meet my mom, my uncle, my cousin used to live together for some years.
Speaker 1:That's his favorite group, back up with Ronald Isley and the Coke.
Speaker 2:The chinchilla.
Speaker 1:That is First the chinchilla. Okay, so let's first of all, let's understand a couple things. Take the picture now. That is from selling dope and pimping hoes, not from making music. Okay, let's go to the next song.
Speaker 1:That's from selling dope then they didn't make money until R Kelly started writing for them and sampling their shit. Marvin Gaye with inner city blues guys this might be one of my five favorite songs period. Like ever, I love inner city blues. I think Marvin Gaye with Inner City Blues guys this might be one of my five favorite songs period. Like ever, I love Inner City Blues. I think what made Marvin special was that he was soulful and he was a superstar and he's probably R&B's most relatable superstar of all time.
Speaker 1:Him and Stevie. Like you could touch Marvin. You know what I'm saying. Like Marvin's somebody. You feel like Marvin might pull up to the barbecue and smoke a joint with you. You know what I'm saying. Like Marvin's somebody, you felt like Marvin might pull up to the barbecue and smoke a joint with you. You know what I'm saying. He's like what George W Bush is to white people for presidents. It's like, oh no, this guy is stupid and everyday people like me except for Marvin Gaye is not stupid, he is just everyday people. But it is the same ethos Inner City Blues, my favorite, george Bush compares as well, but okay.
Speaker 1:No, no. White people voted for George W Bush because he's stupid. He's just like them.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, no, no, no, this motherfucker like to go to the game and buy prostitutes and smoke weed, like me. It's like I'm voting for this motherfucker. I'm buying hookers behind my wife's back too. But anyway, we're going to go to the next song, our Liquid Swords dive. Guys, every time I go on a Liquid Swords dive, I get so afraid of going on a Liquid Swords dive because then I just keep listening to Liquid Swords over and over and over and over and over. And this week's Liquid Swords dive was Killer Hills 103.04, which I'm going to tell you a mix that I did one time.
Speaker 1:Guys, I tried to DJ for like three months in my life. I never told anybody this. I tried to DJ for like three months in my life. I never told anybody this. I tried to DJ for like three months, but the first mix that I ever tried to do was Nas' lyrics to New York State of Mind over the Killer Hills 103. That was the movie. It's a cold-blooded move too. It was my first move, it was my best move, and everything I did after that sucked. So I stopped djing.
Speaker 2:But killer hills 103 04 I'm not mad at anybody that says this is a top 10 recipe yeah, it's up there.
Speaker 1:I mean to be honest with you in a lot of ways like the executive production job in terms of song sequencing on the purple tape is better, but beat for beat, liquid Swords is going right there with the purple tape. As far as beats goes and song sequencing not too far off Like it's the purple tape, liquid Swords turn is the best turn in hip-hop history. Like you're not going to find more flawless music from one crew in a two-album turn, and this is one of the shining moments of that.
Speaker 2:Real quick though. Coop. You know what I'm saying If RZA is listening. I hope you're listening, rza, because you mentioned Nas. Leak that verse to investigative reports. The culture needs that RZA. Leak it.
Speaker 1:Please you, the culture needs that, leak it. You've already sold off Wu-Tang shit for less, so go ahead and give us that Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Lastly, we're going to finish it off with a little outcast separation, since that's what these motherfuckers love to do out here. Goody Mob featuring Three Stacks Thought Process this is actually Andre's coming out party as an mc. I didn't hear people outside of atlanta talking about andre as an upper echelon mc until this verse on thought process. This is his coming out party as an mc into the the A-list tier of emceeing, in my opinion. And then I thought to myself well, you want to know who else was becoming an A-1 tier emcee at the same goddamn time. That would be Big Boy. And it made me think well, let me pick a scene-stealing verse from Big Boy. And then I thought about this one Sean, cue me up, play it Bow. Okay, your cue's working kind of slow today. That's Goody Mob again. All in my grill, cue me up again. There we go. All in my grill, missy.
Speaker 1:Now, as far as snapping and trapping goes, this is a trapping-ass verse of the year. This might be my favorite verse this year. This is big boys coming out party as the MC. This is a trapping ass verse of the year. This might be my favorite verse this year. This is big boys coming out party as the MC. This is right after Equimini. Equimini was big boys coming out party as an upper echelon MC to people, but I think this might performance on this Missy record is when people outside who may not be familiar with the outcast brand prior to Stank On Ya and didn't hear Equimini. This is actually where big boy became an upper echelon MC to the masses. So I wanted to keep it Southern, keep it ATL and finish it off with the two best MCs outside of TI that ever came out of this state. I wanted to show some little light and little love to the moments that actually bought them their top tier status Dope list, dope list. So, coop, what was your that actually?
Speaker 3:bought them their top tier status. Dope list, Dope list. So, Coop, what was your inspiration behind the list? So that people can know what was you tapping into?
Speaker 1:You want to know what. Some of it was work related. So the R&B stuff is work related because when I'm working at the airport and I'm working early in the morning, a lot of us like you know, like we're black, so we sing like it's negro spiritual time to get through the early mornings.
Speaker 1:It'd be five, six, seven o'clock in the morning and so sometimes, like literally to just keep the mind of the mood and the vibes going, we talk about like classic r&b songs. So I actually, in the mood, came up because I was actually bringing up another whisper song just gets better with time and my homie, ant was like he and from south side chicago, he's like yo, he's like you remember, in the move by the whispers he was like, yeah, ant got like 13 kids and it was like I fucked a lot of bitches to that one. I was like yo, I was like, yeah, I was like, first of all, you can't be talking about these bitches in front of these hoes in the club right now.
Speaker 1:We got human resources and then, and then it just, and then it all goes left from there because Ant actually knows how to sing. So the R&B songs actually came from me and my man, ant, singing together in the club. The come up came up randomly and I've just had it on repeat. Liquid Swords is from our deep dive and then I realized it's like well, I've taken it east, I've hit you with some R&B, I've hit you with some classics. Let me take it back to ATM. Andre big boy outcast Two fingers. Peace For Sean, two fingers.
Speaker 2:Middle Next, damn, that was unpromoted, that was unpromoted.
Speaker 1:It was you want to know I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You want to know what.
Speaker 2:I thought he was going to do the peace up, ATL down. I didn't know what was going on. That's corny.
Speaker 1:That's definitely old. This is not Usher. We only do piece of A-Town Band with Usher performing. I didn't know what was going on. That was unprofessional. It was unprofessional, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Wow, ag, can you help us out with this?
Speaker 2:Real is back in my inspiration, for my press play was last week. We talked about we did a whole show pretty much on the Kings of these Three anniversary and it got me to thinking about the Nas and Hip Boy run and I wanted to highlight seven songs that were vital to that run, but not part of any of the albums that they dropped, but still vital to that run. Okay, so the first song I have is echo, and y'all might be saying that doesn't have anything to do with hit boy. You know what I'm saying. It's a Swiss beats. It's on a Swiss beats album, a compilation album called poison, and it's actually produced by DJ Scratch.
Speaker 2:A lot of people think Swizz produced this. He did not, but to me this is where Nas righted the ship. You know what I'm saying, because Nasir had Nasir had dropped and it was to a lukewarm response and you know us fans was kind of like man, like you know what I'm saying Something gotta. You know us fans was kind of like man, like you know what I'm saying, something got to. You know, hopefully come back with something more hard hitting than Nasir. And this is what he came with on Echo and that second verse, oh my God, like you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He's fast.
Speaker 1:Echo is the moment that we all believed in.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Echo is like, when we believe in him, it's no, he still got it, it's still there.
Speaker 2:okay, he still got it, it's still there yeah, side side relief, and it's dope that it came out with a video for it too. But yo, this is where he righted the ship on that. And then, um, yeah, man like echo is just flawless man, the bars on there. And then the second verse is just amazing man, and the storytelling within the song is crazy. Nothing to do with hip boy, but this started the trajectory in the right direction, if you will.
Speaker 1:I thought it was the best rap song I heard that year.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:For sure 2016, right, 18.
Speaker 2:It was 2018. And, like, matter of fact, quick story, Jay had just came out with the verse on what's Free on Meek Mill's album and he smoked that so much and had me questioning things like yo man, Jay, like Jay went crazy. And then a week later, Echo came out.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, that's about the last thing he smoked other than a blunt with Jay Electronica All right, good, but yeah, so, but yeah, love Echo.
Speaker 2:So that started the trajectory in the right direction. Then next we have Royalty off the Lost Tapes 2. Now, full disclosure I'm not a big fan of this song, royalty, but it's the first time that Nas and Hip Boy ever linked up. So this song was recorded years previously and it was a song that hip boy did with frank ocean, and frank ocean is who took it to nas and they were doing a collab. The title of it was supposed to be called no such thing as white jesus and something happened where, um, hip boy lost it on his hard drive and you know they couldn't retrieve the song. So Nas ended up retooling the song and putting Ravon on the hook and it ended up on Lost Tapes 2.
Speaker 2:But Hip Boy and Nas, in fact, weren't in the studio together for this track. Like I said, he recorded with Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean took it to Nas. But this is just the genesis of that relationship, of Nas working with Hip Boy and knowing about who Hip Boy is and stuff, and then wanting to revisit a relationship with him producing later on in the 2020. So I had to give it knowledge to it, although I'm not a big fan of this song, I actually think it's the weakest song on the Lost Tapes 2.
Speaker 1:Lost Tapes 2 is terrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to me that's Nas' worst project. The next one I got is but it's, it's, it's, you know, um, relevant to the uh theme to be vital for their run. So the next one I got is the song city on lock by hip boy and dom kennedy. Now I discovered this. Yeah, now this song was random, how it kind of like how I discovered it because it Because I saw it on Nas' IG and it was like, okay, he's featured on a song. So I'm going to the song you know what I'm saying? Dom Kennedy's dope. You know what I'm saying? Dope, west Coast artist. You know what I'm saying? Already, like hip boy, and I'm tapping in to really hear the Nas verse on the feature. But then I get there and Nas is just on the hook. So I'm like why in the hell are they promoting it? Like Nas is just doing the hook, why they call Nas up just to say a hook. You know what I mean. But little did I know that he was already tapping in with it and then a month later they would announce KD1, that they did a whole album together. So I look at this as just like a song that maybe came together while they was cooking in the studio and, like yo, that maybe came together while they was cooking in the studio and, like yo, me and dom doing our own. You know I'm saying group project, let's get you on this hook. So you know that was before kings of these one was even announced, so they was already cooking up but we didn't know it yet. But that's a dope song nonetheless. Um. Next we got emp, uh epmd off the Judas and the Black Messiah soundtrack where, uh, hip Boy executive, uh, executive, produced that old soundtrack, the original EPMD. I like it better than the EPMD 2 with Eminem on KD2. Um, and this was the first time after KD1 where they got back um together for a track again and they, you know, just like EPMD and their album, they said we're back in business. So this gave us all the hope that, like yo, they might want to spend the block for another project because they're saying they're still working together on this song. The video was dope, everything about this song was dope. So love that song off the soundtrack.
Speaker 2:Next we got Life is Like a Dice Game the remake. So how this came about. This is a classic Nas song from the Illmatic era, during the Illmatic sessions that he never finished, but in the verse he said he was going to finish it, and when he does it's sure to be a hit, but it never got finished. So Spotify for those of you who have Spotify they do this thing called Spotify singles, where they'll somebody on the Spotify staff will tap up artists to either do a cover or a different rendition of their own songs or do a cover of another artist that inspired them. And I don't know the gentleman's name, but this guy was in contact with Nas's manager, anthony Soleil, and then talking to jungle like yo. If I talking to Jungle like yo, if I could do anything, I would get Nas to remake Life is Like a Dice Game and finally finish the song like the world needs that. And then Nas was like let's do it. So the guy, he kind of curated the song and said let's give it a modern day twist and put you know, some new MCs on it. We talked about Cord corday. He's on the song with a dope verse and gives us on here with a dope verse. And then naz comes through at the end and lays an all-new verse that wasn't on the original and hip boy, once again with the production retooled the beat where the original was done by easy mo b, but on this one hip boy took the same sample and, uh, flipped it his own way. So you know it was just dope to see that track finally come to fruition as a full fleshed out song. So that was dope.
Speaker 2:Next I got Big Nas from the Masterclass Sessions. If y'all are not familiar with Masterclass, it's a streaming app that has people who are masters of their craft talking about how they do what they do and it's something you have to pay for. But Nas was on there and he recorded an original song made from scratch with Hit-Boy so he shows how he comes up with the lyrics. He wasn't really writing no more in the process, he was just coming up with it on the fly like a freestyle. And then you know pretty much punching in and you know Hip Boy working the beat and so on and so forth. And then Nas talked about on it like how he came up with his storytelling concepts, how he pays attention to details, so on and so forth. So it was really dope. You can probably bootleg it and find it on the YouTube somewhere, but at any rate, you know it was dope to watch Nas at work, like behind the scenes how he crafted that song. So once again, nas and Hip Boy with the connection, and that was a behind-the-scenes thing.
Speaker 2:And then the last one I have is probably my favorite out of all these other than Echo is the Tide off of Hit-Boy's Surfer Dram. And you know I like it that Nas went back and forth with Hit-Boy on this record Nas had Hit-Boy on KD2, on Composure, and I like that. Nas returned the favor by giving Hit-Boy a feature for his album. And one thing I'll say about it you can tell the vibe that nas was on when it was going back and forth on their last verse. And then that sets up magic too.
Speaker 2:And nas is rapping in that kind of same flow pattern and doing a lot of double town flows and different things. So it's kind of like if you was paying attention, a lot of people were thrown off by magic too. But the tide came out a couple months before. So if you really listen to what he was on on that song, you really shouldn't be surprised by what he's doing on magic too, on songs like you know abracadabra, you know I'm saying and like you know where he's using that double time flow. So, um, the tide is a is a joint and I One of my favorite Hit-Boy beats. I like the soulful sample of that. I think all those songs they're not on any of the albums but I think they were vital to the Hit-Boy and Nas run.
Speaker 1:Cool, let me get to a couple Super Chats right quick. We got a couple Super Chats jumping. We need to jump into CJ the Kid with the $10 Super Chat Victory's CJ the Kid with the $10 Super Chat Victories in a rap battle over being able to create a classic album. So winning or losing a battle gives you or takes away more points than producing an album that's for you to play a hate and ass niggas.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Hanson, no, I just think he can produce a classic album, cj. But it's just like how much equity does does he have built up? You know? I'm saying if he he was in position to be number one, if he would have participated in the battle and not withdrew himself from it win, lose or draw if he would have had a classic album on top of release, participating or seeing that all the way through, then I think we have a different conversation. He could potentially be number one or two.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, let's go back into this again.
Speaker 1:He had the most to gain and he had the most to lose. Winning this battle and dropping the classic album puts him in number one place, and he didn't because, yeah, he failed us miserably. All right, CJ, with the $2 super chat. Where do you place Joe Budden in the jersey list?
Speaker 2:He's making that top five.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know if he's making my five.
Speaker 2:We named him, like you know Redman, lauren, tretch, latifah and Joe. That's my five.
Speaker 1:Okay, what about Digger? Digger from Jersey right, nah, jersey right? No, actually gotta be six band. Come off the bench, okay, okay, hey, I'm just just asking questions, sean press play time for you, sir yes, sir.
Speaker 3:So my inspiration was more around hidden tracks and bonus tracks. Back in the day when we was getting cds, the cds had like a bonus track on it. You had to get the CD to actually get the bonus track. Or there were some albums out there that had an actually hidden track that you had to play straight through. It wasn't mentioned, it wasn't credited. You had to continue to play the CD and just it popped up on you. So that was my inspiration for this week's press play. For me, my first one Ghost and RZA. The bonus track off of the infamous, the actual, to me one of my classic albums, the Iron man album, super classic Marvel. I love Marvel. Watch out, she's Saltwater Trout. Ghost started with that. I was like yo Ghost, he's the best. At that time Ghost became 1B rapper for me. Nas 1A Ghost was like yo. Ghost is the best. At that time Ghost became like 1B rapper for me. Nas 1A Ghost was 1B.
Speaker 2:RZA was hanging with him on there, though.
Speaker 3:RZA was hanging with him. Rza was going crazy on that joint as well. Yeah, yeah, I love Marvel. I love that beat. I love everything about Marvel, even the title. The title was dope. You know what I mean? Marvel.
Speaker 1:It's a great bonus track on a great album because it fits within the context of the album. I mean yeah, it's a good finishing move. I like that pick.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Also. My next one was Lyrical Exercise by Jay from the Blueprint Love that joint. This is when I felt like Jay was unstoppable. I'm going to be honest when I heard this joint, I felt like jay was unstoppable. I'm be honest, when I heard this joint, I was like this guy is unstoppable like I'm proud of you song for admitting that yeah, I mean in real time.
Speaker 3:I felt that jay was unstoppable. I was like yo, he's, he's doing this. This is crazy. And the way he got it was kind of grimy, because he got it from core mega. Core mega had to actually get that beat because that beat was on Cormega's album. We talked about Il Nana, remember, and that was one of the snippets on the Il Nana at the very beginning of that album there you go Good connection.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he had to get the approval from Def Jam and Cormega to use that beat. So you know the beat was real during that time.
Speaker 2:Well, jay put a lot of money in Def Jam, so that wasn't a problem, I'm sure, and he called Cormega asking for information too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because Mega talked about Jay hitting him up, asking for the info too, not just about the beat.
Speaker 3:That's absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's where the whole I got more shooters in Queens than you line comes from Real quick for you going Sean.
Speaker 2:Lyrical exercise or breathe Lyrical exercise.
Speaker 3:Lyrical exercise. He was going crazy.
Speaker 1:Y'all niggas ain't tired right.
Speaker 3:He knew he had something special on his hand and he was talking crazy. He threw it as a bonus. That's a bonus. He knew he was the one at that time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like for me I would for me, and I've always felt this way oh no, I would have like punished everybody at the beginning of the album. I would have went into the rulers, back into takeover, into lyrical exercise. Just go ahead and punish niggas like boom boom, boom, boom. Go ahead and wrap these sequencing means a lot.
Speaker 2:Wrap niggas like boom boom, boom boom. Go ahead and wrap niggas up.
Speaker 1:Sequencing means a lot. Wrap niggas up. I would have wrapped niggas up early on the blueprint I'm ruthless and I'm forgiving. Jay, apparently is nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2:Jay's mindset you gotta have a single early within the track list.
Speaker 1:Those were the times too.
Speaker 3:Right, right. Because he was bleeding off of the last, the previous, because he was bleeding off of the previous album. So he was like really.
Speaker 1:The zone girls was three and four and it's like, okay, you need to sell right now, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:That's it. That's all it was. It was a play. My next one was Lars Pro featuring Nas Stay Chiseled. I don't know if y'all remember, because this song was one of those that were like some controversy around. I'm not going to get into the controversy part of it, but Nas actually had only one verse on this particular song itself on that album with Large Pro. But there's another cut that was during the God Son era. He was actually making it for that and it was three verses. Three verses Crazy on all of them. He was in verses. Crazy on all of them. He was in a different zone in all of them Columbia knew who Nas was.
Speaker 1:You know how many verses he gave to people that they never cleared. There's the five packs from Noriega's album that just ended up us getting body in the trunk. We didn't get the other four songs Crazy. There's five songs he did with Nori for Nori's debut Think about it. Nas gave Nori a five. They only took Body in the Trunk Columbia is notorious for keeping. They do treat Nas like the Holy.
Speaker 1:Grail. They do treat Nas versus the Holy Grail. They're like he's doing what With who? No, he's not. He's not doing that many verses for them.
Speaker 2:They can have this one verse.
Speaker 1:It's going to cost you a quarter million dollars. Have a good day. Yo Esquire601, we're Sony, we'll put out a hit on you. Ask Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3:We can't, we can't, naxxon. That's my whole point.
Speaker 1:That's my whole point Say something to Tony.
Speaker 3:I don't even know anymore. Ask Mike how that shit went. My next one was North Star.
Speaker 3:It was on his track. I loved the joint. I loved the joint. I've always felt this was the perfect ending to on the bill for Cuba Lynx. It played the right way. It actually opened up Cuba Lynx part two with the North Star beat. Yes, I thought this was one of those man I love. North Star Ray just came in and beat the Wu-Tang production. He was just. Ray was one of one man, that voice, that flow. Everything Ray was doing at the time he could do no wrong. He was doing everything right.
Speaker 2:And not for nothing. Man Papa Wu talking on the track is underrated. Man Papa Wu set a track off.
Speaker 1:Papa Woo talking on the track is overrated.
Speaker 2:No, no, not at all, it's too long. No On the Woo revolution. Listen, man. God bless the dead Papa Woo man. I'm telling you I listen to Papa Woo on the track anytime.
Speaker 1:Love Papa Woo. Give Papa Woo 90 seconds. Papa Woo, papa Woo, papa Woo, on the track anytime. Love Papa Woo. Give Papa Woo 90 seconds. Five minutes, shit is dead. Rip Papa Woo, shit is dead. Do not want to hear Papa Woo talking for five minutes. You got 90 seconds, nigga he's a hater man. He's taking that you better break down the sciences and the gods and the earth in 90 seconds. Nigga Poop is a hater man. How about this? Get your 120 degree down to 120 seconds how about that.
Speaker 3:Oh my goodness, my next one is. My next one is Late. It was the actual extended joint off of the Kanye album. Yes, it was the bonus. It was the bonus, yes, because on the original cut Late wasn't on the original cut, but when they started getting traction for the album and they started bringing it back out again, it was on there. But Late was one of those. He went crazy on Late. He went crazy on that. That was Kanye at his zenith. In my opinion, he was at his zenith, his best album to me.
Speaker 1:How about this? Late is one of those things where you see the stadium flow start to take shape and you're like, oh shit, late registration makes you excited because the first part of the album, like the first 14 15 song no, that's kanye's world, in the world that he exists in, but everything track 15 is where he's going. That's that stadium flow shit and it's not as futuristic as it sounds on graduation. So it's still in that rap realm. Late is in that stadium rap realm where it's like he hasn't gone futuristic yet he's just on some rap shit doing stadium flow.
Speaker 1:I love late sean I think this is my favorite pick of all the songs that you've chosen. Actually because people don't talk about this record enough yeah it's one of those records that takes a classic into all-time classic territory.
Speaker 3:Yes, it does. It pushes over the edge. If you have any doubts, this one's one of those.
Speaker 1:It's like oh no, this one is bonus track. Sound like it's like no, this album is as great as I thought it sounded.
Speaker 2:I think I know what your last pick is going to be without even looking.
Speaker 3:This one is a digging in the crate one, so I wanted to make this, I wanted to talk to you guys about this in live time. Each week, I want to pull up a record that people probably don't remember, they probably don't even know, and it's like a hidden track. This track was a hidden track. It's funny, coop, because you selected a song off of AWOL. I was listening to AWOL this week Out of nowhere. I was listening to AWOL. Awol is a dope album by AC. It is not disgusting enough and it's funny that you also brought that up because it's the third best album to me.
Speaker 3:It is. I think it's sparring Number two, to be quite honest, just bass beats and him in a pocket. This serious to me might be my personal favorite, az and Nas going back.
Speaker 2:It's mine too. Are you playing? Blow tight as a midget's closet.
Speaker 3:Tight as a prison closet and y'all talking about he was talking about midgets back then- that's when you could say, that's when you could say those words. Yo nah, I said tight as a midges closet, tight as a prison blockage. Yo man.
Speaker 2:They went crazy though, but listen, I got a sore spot about that song because if that one song is on Streets, disciple, that levels the whole album up a quarter of a mic.
Speaker 1:It's not that good to level up that album Serious is like that man.
Speaker 3:Serious is like that. Serious is like that Ladies' lights can't be serious. See the prettiest One point blank period.
Speaker 2:Yo, hey, Sean, I actually got this joint on an official CD, but it was an import. I bought two at the same time. It was like a double album called Decade and one called AZ Remixes and B-Sides, and it was like official release and it got Sirius on it. Cd quality joint.
Speaker 1:Yes, you want to know what Sirius is. Sirius is their Brooklyn's finest.
Speaker 2:Yes, where they're competing like sparring yes. Sirius is their Brooklyn's finest, yes. Where they're competing like sparring, yes.
Speaker 1:Serious. Is their Brooklyn's finest? Yes, absolutely, because they usually don't box with each other. They're boxing with each other.
Speaker 3:Boxing with each other, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. Usually AZ wins that in the flow department, but Nas went bonkers on there. He elevated on this one.
Speaker 3:He elevated this one.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 3:AZ has the moment.
Speaker 1:I truly believe, of all the great MCs, nas cares the least about how he sounds next to people, because he's like well, I'm Nas, so he's definitely in this one.
Speaker 2:If you listen to that second verse on here, he cares.
Speaker 1:You can tell when he cares. You can tell when he's like hold on.
Speaker 2:He's like you want to know what, wanna know what got mouths of acres? No cup, whether it's freestyle or written down on paper.
Speaker 1:So far I've been down for maybe a decade plus way to forever go like you gotta look at what Sirius is coming out of too now there's this hip hop narrative, this hip hop legend that it's like well, every time A gets on a track with Nas, he roasts Nas. That's floating around. Every time A gets on a track with Nas, he roasts Nas. That's floating around.
Speaker 2:When this record gets made, and that's not totally accurate but that's what people were saying, that people were saying that.
Speaker 1:No, but I tell people all the time. It's like life's a bitch. Is life's a bitch? Because it's two of the greatest rap verses of all time not one, not one of the greatest rap verses of all time. It's two of the best rap verses of all time.
Speaker 2:It's two of the best rap verses of all time, Homie said. They buggin' say Nostradamus wasn't one of my hardest. Sold over a meal regardless. Chill with them hard looks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to know what? And I still don't like those bars. And I still don't like those bars.
Speaker 2:That was a flex too.
Speaker 1:Doesn't mean your album was good.
Speaker 3:He's talking about you, then he's talking about me.
Speaker 1:It was definitely a shot at me. I said the nerve of this nigga. That's exactly what I said when I heard it. I said the nerve of this nigga to be talking about me when he doesn't know me, doesn't know that I've been calling this album garbage to everybody that I can get within earshot of it. The nerve of this nigga. He don't know he be talking about me this way.
Speaker 2:Before that song I think that's one of Salam Remy's hardest beats too. It is, it is.
Speaker 3:It's up there.
Speaker 1:It's up there with the Don and Major. Look and Get Down it's in there.
Speaker 2:No clue why it didn't make the album. No clue when y'all at didn't make the.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Hip-hop is dead. That's one of my favorite.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying low-key Nas joints which Cole got a freestyle over that on the come-up, over that beat, and Cole ripped it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:First of all, it doesn't sound as good as Nas on the record.
Speaker 2:Oh hell no.
Speaker 1:The first thing should have left that alone. And that might be my favorite Nas B-side. Actually, when I go back and listen to it, he's crazy on there.
Speaker 2:Far too easy Gene.
Speaker 1:Close to hitting in the bezel Bumping old school shit Pumping, aaron Neville. Yeah, yeah, I split it with my own, pat Fitton.
Speaker 3:Piggin' Holiday? Far from.
Speaker 1:I asked Flynn with my own patented pig in holiday. Now I'm mad at your fan.
Speaker 2:Yo, that has to make one of our playlists one day. I'm with you. Coop Jay said nah, that can't go on the album. I'm a five-star.
Speaker 1:I'm a five-star. Take that off, that's it. Not a word on the project bitch that went Tony BMG to that nigga. I'm with you. I'm getting so many dollars to get the best that nigga ain't dollars a shit Bitch. Ben wanna follow my dick, the big Ben's. I'ma model your chicken.
Speaker 2:Zach posing. What's a?
Speaker 1:smash, it's over. What's a? Smash, it's over More chains and slaves.
Speaker 2:Dangerous ways. He's crazy on there. How about that? I could tell Sam to an Arab out of my that I could say I'm saying to an Arab how did my God, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:You know what it is. Where y'all at is actually a nasty Nas sighting. That's not Nas. That's nasty Nas. You know what I'm saying. Like that's the guy that got the deal.
Speaker 2:Y'all gonna make me play that after we get off the air. Man? No, that shit's cold off the air man.
Speaker 1:That shit's cold.
Speaker 3:That shit is special.
Speaker 1:Where y'all at is special. You will, I like how you take credit when it says AZ featuring Nas Sirius and we talking about where y'all at it's time to end the show. We'd like to thank you all for doing it.
Speaker 2:That's a dope tangent. That was a dope tangent.
Speaker 3:My last one is Roses and Black Bond. They're both off. The Life is Good album.
Speaker 1:They could be making up his own rules.
Speaker 2:I thought you was going to pick Trust, but then you go and pick the other two bonus tracks from Life is Good. You're cheating.
Speaker 3:I was thinking picking two bonus tracks Because mine was inspired by a bonus track. This is actually my bonus one Pussy Kills off of theend you picked a bonus track, and then you picked two tracks on a track.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you wonder why I contacted Human Resources about your behavior last week.
Speaker 2:Breaking the rules.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you know. My inspiration was bonus tracks.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I see what you did there. I see what you did. Okay, I'm late. I'm late. I see what he did. He gave a bonus on the bonus track inspiration. I'm late. Okay, I see the vision now.
Speaker 1:I got you, I caught what he said and I just want you to understand the behavior like this is why I report you to human resources, and at least I tell you to your face that I'm reporting you to human resources.
Speaker 3:I'm so far ahead of myself. I can start a new life.
Speaker 2:You are not allowed to quote Jay man. We done told you.
Speaker 1:Why don't you start a new press play where you actually take two of the songs from the nine songs you chose? Make it seven, like the rest of ours, nigga, how about that?
Speaker 3:Yo, you gotta think outside the box. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's time to end this show, it's time to go home. We'd like to thank everybody for coming out. All behavior by Sean Press plays with extra songs made by Sean, not reflective of hip-hop talks and the hip-hop brand. If Human Resources is watching, this is the bullshit I was talking about. While you big on Somebody, please take care of this.
Speaker 2:That was well played, Sean we.
Speaker 1:Somebody will please take care of this. We need full access. That was well played, Sean. We need full panel access. We need Sean not to go last. We need Sean to press play from now on.
Speaker 2:Well played, I got to take my hat off. You know, you got it.
Speaker 3:Thank you Inevitable.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about my raise for the New.
Speaker 3:Year if I have to put up with Sean for a whole year? Who, talking about the Isley Brothers I'm eloquently talking about?
Speaker 1:Sirius, here we go again. You're right. You want to know what my Isley Brothers song was right? It was right about your bullshit. Here we go again. Parts one and two. Here we go again. You did put that in Back, where we started.
Speaker 2:I don't know about y'all, but when we get off here I'm listening to when Y'all At In Sirius, as you should. 1,000%.
Speaker 3:You're welcome. I bet you're not listening to what Coop had.
Speaker 1:You're welcome First of all, my songs are better than all you niggas' songs. You niggas chose some rapping ass rapping songs. I chose the classics.
Speaker 2:But you was inspired by a mustache though Coop. That's nasty. What are you doing?
Speaker 3:I was inspired by a mustache, wow.
Speaker 2:You said that like it was a Mustang. You said a 1965 mustache. You said it like it was a 1965 Mustang.
Speaker 1:A 1965 mustache might get you as much ass as a 1965 Mustang, when played properly, oh man.
Speaker 2:All right when I hit him with the do-up, when I hit him with the uh. Yo Peace y'all man.
Speaker 3:We got to be out. Check out the Discord. Hop in our Discord please. The Discord is going crazy. Join us on Facebook. Follow us on Facebook. Like subscribe.
Speaker 1:Never vote for Sean's cheating ass Share. Make sure you share Share share.
Speaker 3:Engage with us. We engage back AG and I engage back, but engage with us. I don't like you.
Speaker 2:I don't like any of y'all who don't like y'all.
Speaker 1:He said it Now, when I come to your city, do me a favor, share your girlfriend. You're probably going to end up sharing her. You're probably going to end up sharing her anyway. That's a good thing, man.
Speaker 3:We got to go Peace, peace out Real quick. The Discord they also play music from time to time too. There's a lot going on there, man, a lot going on in the Discord. Follow us on Stationhead. All of the links are in the chat. Go back and look at the chat. I can repost the links for you all. To follow us on Stationhead, facebook, twitter, discord Tap in. We appreciate y'all. We'll be back Peace.