HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
Wayne + Dot Battling? Big 3 All on Tour, Skyzoo Album, LL the GOAT? and MORE!
How did Ludacris's "Word of Mouf" turn heads nationwide and shake up the Atlanta hip-hop scene? Join us as we celebrate the magic of Southern hip-hop classics and revisit Nas's "Street's Disciple," sharing personal stories of how our music tastes have matured over time. We kick off the conversation with a nod to the Black-owned clothing brand, God Complex, and the unexpected cold snap hitting the South. From there, the discussion heats up as we debate Jay-Z's $2,000 "Book of Hove" and the credibility of rapper-authored literature, with mentions of "Decoded" and the Wu-Tang manual.
Reflect on the ever-evolving nature of hip-hop as we explore T.I.'s career, Skyzoo's jazz-infused project, and the influence of legends like LL Cool J. We passionately discuss DJ Premier's legacy, his inimitable production style, and the indelible mark he's left on hip-hop's soundscape. We even throw in some playful speculation about dream collaborations and potential stadium tours, celebrating hip-hop's past while contemplating its future. Our spirited debates capture the essence of artistry, the shifting perceptions of greatness, and the nuances of musical and cultural impact.
As the episode unfolds, we dive into the industry dynamics and the rivalry between Kendrick Lamar and Drake, analyzing their album sales and joint tour rumors. We also shine a light on the power of numbers in shaping a rap legend's legacy, contrasting LL Cool J's pioneering influence with Rakim's lyrical innovations. J. Cole's career journey and anticipated retirement album, "The Fall Off," provide a centerpiece for our reflections on artistic authenticity and the emotional reactions of fans. Whether it's debating Skyzoo's standing among Brooklyn MCs or pondering the legacy of DJ Premier, this episode offers a rich tapestry of hip-hop history, insights, and lively discussion.
🎵outro music plays🎵. What's good people? Welcome to Hip Hop Talks, where AG and I tolerate Sean for another week, quite frankly.
Speaker 2:Welcome, welcome, welcome, man Welcome.
Speaker 1:I got a quick shout out. I was out and about today God Complex, check out God Complex Black-owned clothing brand. They gave us a couple subs so I gave them a little pub. You know what I mean, a little hand-to-hand. I was like, well, you know, if you plug us, we'll plug you. So they're going to plug. Check out God Complex. Yeah, look them up. Pretty good, I copped a little something for mom for Christmas gift today.
Speaker 2:Are they based out of Atlanta?
Speaker 1:You want to know what. I didn't even get that far today, you know what I mean Kind of caught me on the humble. I was like I kind of like the. I like the approach. You know what I'm saying. I like the salesmanship. I was actually on my way out the door. She kind of stopped me. I liked her approach. You know what I'm saying. The approach is everything. I even had time to look it up and look after any further.
Speaker 2:No doubt.
Speaker 1:How are you, gentlemen, doing? By gentlemen I mean how are you doing?
Speaker 3:Cold man. It's like 20 degrees here.
Speaker 2:It's cold over here too, man. It's cold everywhere. It seems like Everywhere it's cold, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, it's cold everywhere. It seems like Everywhere is cold. Man, yeah, oh yeah, it's been frosty, with a touch of kiss my ass down here in Georgia, like, yeah, I've been waking up to 20 degree weather, which you know is a little strange down here this early in December, somewhat, so somewhat yeah, but let's go ahead and get into it. You know who just had a birthday the other day, sean. Would you like to wax a little poetic about your favorite guy? To?
Speaker 2:get this. You know I'd love to do it.
Speaker 1:Sean Carter celebrated another birthday.
Speaker 3:Same name as you. Same name as you, yet you hate me. It's spelled the same too, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Did you know? Hey did y'all know that the book of Hove is selling for two Gs? Yeah, the actual book of Hove.
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 1:going to Sean from one Sean to another. Would you spend two G's on your uh name likeness?
Speaker 2:on the book. Absolutely, not absolutely not okay.
Speaker 1:If it was the book of esco, would you spend two g's absolutely and I would get. That is what makes you a punky hater.
Speaker 2:I just want to get it out the way early in the show. I would get the other print, I would get the cheaper print. I wouldn't get no $2,000 print. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:I have a copy that the homie Will sent me from when he went to the museum. It's definitely not the thick ass book that they're selling for $2,000.
Speaker 3:Is it all pictures or is it actually any words in the book?
Speaker 1:I haven't gotten that far in the investigation process. I'm still in the process of processing the fact that he's selling a book for $2,000. You know you can get a Bible for $24.95. That is crazy.
Speaker 2:You can get you a Quran for $24.95.
Speaker 1:That is crazy. You can get you a Quran for $19.99. Right.
Speaker 3:That is crazy, that's nasty. You know what? It's funny because I have the decode book. I bought the decode book years ago when it came out.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm sorry to hear that it was pretty solid, that's all right yeah. The RZA book is crazy, though Try not to read books from rappers, that's me.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the Wu-Tang man. Yeah, that's really dope too.
Speaker 1:Me reading a book, me reading a book. It depends For somebody, like if Wu-Tang Clan was doing a full book with a breakdown of the history from a person-by-person account, something like that. Yeah, outkast Dungeon Family, because I'm from down here. Yeah, but most of the stuff is old. I wouldn't really delve into reading. For me, that's what the music's for, that's essentially what the music's for?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's essentially what the Wu-Tang manual is, it you know? Breaks down all the slang that we, as kids, didn't even know what the hell they were talking about.
Speaker 2:Most rap it along with it.
Speaker 1:A lot of acronyms going on we didn't even know about. Yeah, it gives you history and stuff.
Speaker 3:And another good read if y'all don't got it already is Reading Illmatic by Michael Eric Dyson.
Speaker 1:Actually, you want to know what I have read. That that is good. That is a good read. Ag, now don't be out here trying to educate other black people. You know they will shut us down for shit like that. You cut that out. You stop that right now. I want to make it through the entirety of the show. Sean, get your boy Next time Book a hotel $2,000. I don't want to hear it. Anniversaries Ludicrous Word of mouth. The show is cool Actually.
Speaker 3:I want to hear AG's perspective.
Speaker 1:Because I want to hear AG's perspective, because I want to kind of cover the TI's Urban Legend, because I kind of like have a comment about a reflection of the two of the albums, because Word of Mouth came out before Urban Legend. What do you have to say about Word of Mouth, ag?
Speaker 3:it came at an interesting time, like when Word of Mouth came out. I preferred Chicken and Beer. Word of Mouth I wasn. I preferred chicken and beer. Word of mouth I wasn't as big as a fan of, but Luda was a household name and a superstar, you know, with that album and but the album itself I didn't really gravitate towards that album as much Like and I'll be honest, like I was kind of pigeonholing Well, that was about to sound crazy, but I was putting Luda in a pigeonhole the same kind of way I looked at, say, a Busta Rhymes or so to speak. You know what I mean just kind of like dope rapper, let me interject.
Speaker 1:Is there something going on that I'm missing, that makes you not do that still to this day? Am I missing something?
Speaker 3:no, I still do and a lot of people do, but it's and I don't think it's fair. But I'm admitting to my faults because, um, you know they're both dope mcs. But when I'm talking about the lyricists and the spitters, you know I'm saying I I have a hard time, um, you know putting it, putting them in that category. You know what I'm saying because I look at them as more time. You know putting it putting them in that category. You know what I'm saying Because I look at them as more so, like, you know the fun aspect of hip hop. They're more you know the characters, but you know they can get busy lyrically when they want to, and this Ludacris album kind of, you know, hit that point home for me, you know.
Speaker 2:I thought this was his like coronation moment for me as an outsider, who, who wasn't you know from that, from that southern cloth, if you will? Because I remember when this album came out I was just about to leave um japan and move bitch was like everywhere in the clubs at that time and it was, it was heavy, it was. It was one of the heavy songs. You also had Area Colds on there as well which was massive.
Speaker 2:Everywhere I've been you heard that song Area Colds and Move Bitch was really big across the nation and I felt like that was the one to me. This album was the one that put him on that different plateau of someone who just kind of came out that bus. Like you said, ag, you kind of liken him to a Busta Rhymes type figure. You know Missy Elliott vein as well. Whenever we animated you didn't really take him serious until certain times but Luda was still spitting. Luda was up there, he was really up there spitting.
Speaker 2:And I think this is one of those ones where and I know, and I think this is one of those ones where you're going to talk a little bit about urban legend I've always felt like this was the one to me that set him apart from TI because he was able to really navigate different lanes across board and not so much regional. I feel like this album didn't make him feel like he was just a southern or Atlanta based artist, but I think it made him outside the region artist to me, based on where I was at that time. Dope album Coming to America was a dope kickoff to the album too. So love that album.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of what you're saying both of you are saying is true, but I think what is missing from the album is is that? Well, when you listen to word of mouth, do you really really know that ludacris is from atlanta?
Speaker 1:nope, no, nope that's what makes him so appealing to hip-hop heads outside of Atlanta as opposed to TI. And that's why TI is bigger down here, because we feel like TI provides everything Luda provides, but it sounds and feels and organically comes off as more Atlanta. And so Word of Mouth is a good album but I don't feel like it really does anything special. It's Luda doing what he does at Luda's best. I'm not big on area codes or on move bitch like that outside of mystical versus stellar yeah, mystical toward mystical toward move bitch up tour, move bitch up um. But I do think that he is important to the atlanta scene in terms of giving it eyes and ears on us, and so I think the importance of word of mouth has a lot to do with just the attention that it brought to atlanta, because it was him at his peak and I think that part of it is important for Atlanta, even if the sound doesn't attach itself to Atlanta in any sort of identifiable way really. And I also think that usually artists have an album in their career like that typically, where they don't sound anything like where they're from. I think Schoolboy Q's Crash Talk sounds very Atlanta to me. You know, those are my thoughts.
Speaker 1:Next we have personal favorite of mine, clips Hell Hath, no Fury. I could go for days, so I'm definitely going to close this one up. Sean, tell me what you think about Hell Hath, no Fury. No, load yourself. Okay.
Speaker 2:Good, you need tell me what you think about Hell Hath. No, fury, no, load this out. No, no, no. First of, all okay.
Speaker 1:Good, because I was about to say you need to watch what you say, because I actually got somebody behind the boards watching you and we were ready to cut you off about Hell Hath. No.
Speaker 2:Fury. No, this is the one. This is the one. Nah, this is the one. This is the one, because I felt like this was them and also Pharrell. Pharrell's production on this album to me is one of the most stellar productions because Pharrell was batting pretty solid leading up to this A lot of work with Nori, of course, Corona, Queens, Left, Rack, City Get the Money. He was working a lot with Pharrell and he was working a lot of Jay's stuff as well, but he wasn't coming up with beats like this for those guys. The beat selection here, what he was doing with the production here, was intentional. It was intentional for Pusha and Malice and I felt like this album to me was one of those that I've always held high, not just as a clips discography but just as a dual discography alone.
Speaker 2:This is one of those albums where I know AG and I talked before about the locks versus, you know, re-up Gang, and I feel like this was one of those albums that would make it hard for me to defend, you know, a battle like that. I still edge them out, but this is that album to me that tips the scale a bit more in favor of a Re-Up Gang everywhere to go that battle itself. So again, album to me that tips the scale a little bit more in the favor of a real gang everywhere to go that battle itself. So again, love this album. Shout out to the Clips. Can't wait for the new album to come out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was hoping we was going to get that this year, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think so, AG. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:Classic album and Sean already alluded to it. But the biggest thing that this album proved to me is that the Neptunes could produce the end to end hip hop classic. You know that was my biggest takeaway from the album. Of course, you know the bars are sharp from Pushing Malice. They're going to do what they're going to do regardless. But the production on here because you know the Neptptunes as far as like hits and and things like that, you know that was their bag. But you know, on my rankings of producers list, you have to be able to craft a classic album from end to end and they did that here and I think when you go through the entire um neptunes catalog, I don't think they have any other production job that touches this album. Personally, I agree.
Speaker 1:This album is really, really special, guys. I mean to me at this point it might be rap's most understated rap classic. In my opinion, the beat, the production by the Neptunes is 10 out of 10 on all levels. Everything, everything is on a 10 on the productions. What doesn't get talked about enough is the actual beat selection. These are very purple tape, liquid sword type of beats. They're rapping over. This isn't the normal, like Neptunes fray of beats. There is something. This isn't the normal, like Neptune's fray of beats.
Speaker 1:There is something about them working with the clips that brings something out in them production-wise that makes them perform differently. Maybe it's because of the subject matter being discussed by the clips. It definitely could be a possibility, but this album just feels different. I very much hearken it. I don't think it's on the same level. I I very much hearken it like I don't think it's on the same level, but I very much hearken it to a reasonable doubt or a purple tape in terms of the level of the talk for that content and subject matter. Lyrically they're precise, sharp, their entendres, metaphors, similes, bar seminars, days, witty punchlines, the best entertaining Coke references this side of Jay-Z in his prime. It's a masterful album. It has chilling moments. You know they have songs on there that definitely aren't made for the radio but definitely are hip hop classics.
Speaker 2:I won't put it in a. Cuban link arena. But I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I won't put it down. No, no, no, it's not that level, it's not that level.
Speaker 3:I think you're saying the level of execution right.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it provides some of that feeling, it restores some of that feeling. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:And I'm glad you brought up Reasonable Doubt. And this is you know. Shout out to Jay, his birthday was yesterday. Happy birthday. No, I'm joking.
Speaker 1:But I think it's more of a testament to how dope Jay is, because— I expect that shady shit from Sean.
Speaker 3:No, I had to get that one in there, but nah, for real, it's more of a testament to how dope Jay is himself as an emcee, because, on Hell Hath, no Fury to your point, coop, I think Pusha is more. Can I live Jay, and Malitz is more, so regrets Jay. Yes, you know what I'm saying, but they're an amalgamation of Jay, as in two people covering aspects that Jay covers himself as an individual. But they pull off being a great amalgamation of Jay as a duo with that same level of content.
Speaker 1:a great amalgamation of Jay as a duo with that same level of content. So to provide context to that, for me Pusha T on Hell, have no Fury is more politics, as usual, friend or foe, jay.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and I agree with you about Malice being the more like regrets, jay, mm-hmm. Yeah, being the more like regrets, jay. Yeah, mama, I'm sorry for mistakes I have made. How I, how I air family business, how you put me in my place, yeah, like he's talking differently than push is on the album. But that's part of what makes the album so special too, is that you can feel that they are, um, they're at opposite ends of the spectrum in the game.
Speaker 3:It's very yin and yang like yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like you can feel that malice is like you know what I'm saying. Even when he says at the end of Keys, open Doors. He's like you know, and I got a glow. It's like the Lord's shown favor. These bitches fake like the hoes on flavor, but I don't mind spending. All it is is paper.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, it's almost like he's at a he's almost at like a state of normalness with the lifestyle and push on the album is like fully fledged and engulfed and like having fun with it, like on the street side and on the rap side, and you can feel that energy and that opposition and it's it really makes for a beautiful mix. It's a wonderful listen, okay, we got to move to the next one.
Speaker 2:We got to kill the Super Chats cool.
Speaker 1:Super Chats. Who's sending money? Mad Max, out here in these streets running wild again. Cj the Kid what up? Bless you guys as usual. Hope you all guys are doing well. Can't wait to see what's in store for tonight's show. You just sit tight, CJ. Cj the Kid again. Better album Hell, Half no Fury or Hell on Earth. Hell on Earth.
Speaker 3:Hell on Earth, Hell on Earth. But that was a great question though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like it. I probably at this point because it's more recent. I want to tell you something about me that I even realized I don't listen to that old stuff as much as I used to. I do listen to the more recent classics more often, more fully, because I haven't heard them as much. I feel like I've gotten my full on a lot of those albums sometimes and it's like I really got to get in the mood to hear them.
Speaker 3:That's fair.
Speaker 1:Am I missing anything else, Sean? Is that all the super chats? Did I miss something?
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:That was the last one, you good, okay, cool, we got nods with Streets Disciple. Guys, quick thoughts about Streets Disciple Shouldn't have much to say. Streets Disciple Wasn't that too much to say, wasn't that good?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:You don't like Streets.
Speaker 2:Disciple, it's okay Solid. Oh, my goodness, man, it's God.
Speaker 1:It has some moments. It's very up and down. It's like a roller coaster at six flags has some very, very high moments, but sometimes you just find yourself on the ride kind of like waiting for something to drop, like the entertaining, yeah, somewhere in the middle. It's good, though, like the moments on there that are high. I'm super impressed with you know some of the other stuff. It's like you know you're gonna catch up.
Speaker 3:He's been, um, uh, real quick. Um, I got a weird relationship with street disciple because I got a few different memories attached to it, like when it came out I heard the album, um, two, I want to say two weeks early. Um, two weeks early I had a homie that, uh, worked at a record shop that sold all the mixtapes. His name was tashim, he was from brook, he actually rapped too, tiger the 8. Shout out if you're watching, bro. I ain't talked to you in years, but shout out to you.
Speaker 3:And he called me from the spot and was like yo, come down to the record store. We don't listen to just new Nas. This is two weeks before it's out. They just had it and stopped. So we listened to the whole double album in in full. You know I'm saying it blazing on the speakers in the record shop and of course we like super gas. We both like nas fans, think he the goat and super gas with the album, and you know what I'm saying. There's something personal happened, you know, family wise, that same day and took a crazy turn. I won't overshare. I think I told sean the story, but you know it was a ill family situation and I just had to fall back from a lot of stuff at the time, so I didn't dial back into the album until probably about a month after it was officially released and then, when I did.
Speaker 1:Uh, you didn't miss a lot.
Speaker 3:You didn't miss a lot yeah, then when I did that it wasn't hitting the same because you know, I was like gassed at the fact I was listening to her early and all the stuff and then, you know, fast forward, then it was out and I was kind of like, well, this is definitely not one of his best. A lot of joints he was spitting, but I didn't have that same feeling. But oddly enough, um, at the time I was getting married the same year that the joint came out. So all those joints that people hate, you know what I'm saying. To get married that no one else in the room I was vibing to them joints because I was getting married the same year, same over here actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but now I'm not, so I don't listen to them. You know what I'm saying. So they're a little different. So they're a little different. They're a little different now. But overall, you know, it's definitely not one of nas's best joints, towards the bottom of his catalog. But I just got a weird relationship with that album, just like in the means of which I heard it didn't get to tap into it when it first came out because I was, like you know, zoned out on some other stuff and you know, when I did tap back in I was feeling it on the marriage side of things. But you know, things happen.
Speaker 1:So I think, ag, the way that you just described where you were in your life and in the process of getting married is the exact same reason why this album isn't that good overall. Because, well, he's somewhere different in his life and he's getting married for the first time and this album doesn't sound cohesive, it doesn't sound in unison, the songs don't sound completed. The songs that do sound completed are brilliant, in my opinion, and very understated. Like Rest of my Life is one of my favorite Sleeper Nas joints. You know what I'm saying. Just a Moment is one of those moments where it's like, oh no, when they complete, when he completely fully and does the song, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3:Do you like Nazareth Savage? That's my favorite, nazareth Savage.
Speaker 1:Nazareth Savage is a bar seminar agent.
Speaker 3:That's nasty Nas, that's nasty Nas, that's nasty Nas. Right there, okay. So I like.
Speaker 1:Streets, disciple, streets. Disciple is my joint.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I like both of them. I like Streets Disciple and Disciple where he's mimicking Cool G yeah. Yeah that one's my spot, that's what.
Speaker 1:I mean there are joints on there. They just don't sound as full and as finished as some of them should.
Speaker 3:And we should be honest, thief's Theme came out quite a while before the album dropped and we thought that the whole album was going to sound like Thief's Theme.
Speaker 1:It needed to if they were going to drop the. How about this? I wish they would have released something like Rest of my Life as the first single, because I think it would have given that was the middle ground on the album for where he was in life. To me, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but this theme is a top 40-ish Nas song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't go wrong with this theme. That sets the tone, because that's classic Nas.
Speaker 1:It's more the beat, it's more the beat, it's more the beat than him, and you don't say that about a lot of his top records.
Speaker 2:It's a B-side.
Speaker 3:That's a classic example, though I didn't like it the second time he used it on. Hip Hop Is Dead, though.
Speaker 2:What was his name? William messed that up. Him out here William messed that up.
Speaker 1:Now Hip Hop Is Dead is worse than this. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:We're not going to do this tonight. We're not going to say happy birthday to Jay, and then we're going to shit on off.
Speaker 3:Yes, we can't do that.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows what happened to Jay on his birthday.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying let's make sure we highlight that as opposed to saying this nigga 56, 57. According to the math, in 2001, when he was 36 in a karate class, he said he was 67.
Speaker 1:He said 56, 57.
Speaker 3:56, 57. Jay, you need a Medicare now.
Speaker 1:You know you were given new coinage and phraseology.
Speaker 2:I can't take you nowhere, even digitally.
Speaker 1:We can't even take you to YouTube.
Speaker 2:No, I'm working on myself, oh man. You're working on yourself, oh man.
Speaker 1:Can we get you a therapist to work on you? You working on yourself isn't working for the team at Hip Hop.
Speaker 3:Talks. Yeah, you want to talk about a crazy experience, though. Like those type songs, listen to Street Disciple and then Life is Good back to back. That's a wild ride right there, wild ride.
Speaker 2:Wild ride.
Speaker 3:Life is Good, that's a wild ride right there. Wild ride, life is good as my bag.
Speaker 2:Now getting married. What's my point? I love getting married, that's. That song was like man, it was like yo I don't know about that I'm ready to get married. I'm ready. No one else in the room, all those records.
Speaker 1:You could have kept those makings of a perfect bitch that's what killed that joint.
Speaker 3:Don't do that. That sound like a perfect bitch. Maxwell killed that joint. Don't do that. That sounded like a perfect reception song, if we're being honest.
Speaker 2:What was the?
Speaker 1:headset he was in. Let's go receive it on another album. Let's not put it on that. Let me get some Super.
Speaker 2:Chats cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh yeah, war was the joint I posted on the Discord. It got three and a half mics, cj the Kid, $2. Yeah, three and a half. I think that's about it. Yeah, jermaine Johnson $4.99. Because of his premature exit, the world never fully understood or appreciated Malice emceeing skills. He's been in a lot of our favorite emcees a lot, I agree. I agree, jermaine Johnson, totally agree. For a lot of the time he was better than Pusha.
Speaker 3:CJ the Kid, $2. I liked War and Remember the Times. I like Remember the Times. Remember the Times is dope to me. Remember the Times is a wild version of Girls, Girls, Girls. That one is crazy. I can see that I never thought about that.
Speaker 1:I never thought about that before. That's a possibility, okay, last one on the anniversary is TI's Urban Legend.
Speaker 3:You already spoke about that, coop, but I'll just be real quick and then pass it to sean. But, um, that's the. That's the album that really made me a ti fan. Um, you know, I'm serious, I wasn't really, you know, on on the ti train and then you know, by the time, um, he got around to a urban legend. No trap music, I was paying attention. Trap music got my attention. But when he dropped Urban Legend I was like, okay, this might be the best Southern rapper out period. This is when Wayne is active, this is when Andre still blazing features and stuff. But Urban Legend made me pay attention to like, okay, this dude is for real. But then by the time we get to King, I'm a full-blown fan and King is one of my favorite albums of the modern era. But Urban Legend is the one that really made me a TI fan.
Speaker 1:As well as Shedad.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be honest, it didn't do nothing for me. I'm gonna be honest with you 2004, it didn't do anything for me. I didn't become a TI fan until King. When King came out, I went back and listened to Urban Legend. When Urban Legend first came out, it just didn't catch me. I'm being honest, I couldn't vibe to it. I just couldn't.
Speaker 1:It was the J sample. It was the J sample, no, no.
Speaker 2:I just couldn't connect to it. I couldn't connect to it, I couldn't connect to it. You know, I'm 24 at this time. I'm still. I'm wearing. I don't think it's very.
Speaker 1:It's very much like word of mouth in the sense that well, it doesn't sound succinctly Southern.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:This is Lee Southern sounding album of his run.
Speaker 3:Which probably got my ear and I was buying into the whole Jay-Z of the South talk. I was buying into that when Urban Legend came out like this, that might be the Jay of the South.
Speaker 1:Put on the Reasonable Doubt t-shirt when the classic album covers was popping and stuff. He had a moment. But, ag, you also liked it because, ag, you're like me. You're somebody who likes dope rhymes. There's a lot of dope-ass rhymes on Urban Letters it is. It's very Carter 2-like in that it's like well, not his biggest hits, but as far as his bar work is concerned, some of his best stuff, arguably. Yep, yeah, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2:In hindsight, I don't disagree. Is that motivation? Yeah, in hindsight, I don't disagree. In real time I couldn't. And I was around a lot of Southern guys in the military at that time. My crew at that time was all the guys from Georgia and they thought it was crazy Because I was listening to, I was on some other stuff at that time. I was listening to Purple Haze. While I was listening to this, I'm being honest with you, I was listening to this. I'm going to be honest with you. Oh, this is way better than Purple Haze. But I'm saying in hindsight, yes, but in real life Purple Haze was going crazy for me at that time. I'm going front. I didn't appreciate TI until King and on Paper Trail.
Speaker 1:King and.
Speaker 2:Paper Trail, because when I heard what you know about that I was like yo, he might be the one. That's when I finally admit I'm like he might be the one.
Speaker 1:Yeah tip is special because you want to know what it is. It's his most New York rapper album to me because he's very street still but very lyrical at the same time, like when he says stuff you gonna make me bring the Chevy to a real slow creep. My neck is hanging out the window, mouth full of gold teeth.
Speaker 1:When the guns start popping, when it's cold, chop and hit you in the side and create a slow leak yeah, he was spitting on there, it was dope yeah, he's going wild on there and it's like it's like in the way that, quite frankly, most new york rappers rap actually not most southern rappers rap but I feel like he had a point to prove. It's like well, I'm not just a great Southern rapper, I'm a great rapper period, and I think he did an excellent job of that. His cadence was flawless, I think, as far as the agility of his delivery, this is the agility of his delivery at its peak, because he was just sliding on everything so easily this and King. Okay, guys, we got to go to something a little bit more recent. Hasn't Sky Zoo just dropped something new? Guys, keep me company.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Sean, you're a New York native. I feel like when I listen to a Sky Zoo project, I hear somebody, especially in the I guess, what I'd say second half of his career has really spent a lot of the projects talking about the re-gentrification or the gentrification just period of Brooklyn. Through his eyes it has very nostalgic tones. He's very Jay-Z and Nas inspired. This album is no different to me. What say you to all those things I just said?
Speaker 2:Absolutely, Absolutely. I mean honestly. I got on this album after seeing the discord shout out to the discord. Um, the discord was talking about it a lot and I said let me go and check out this guy's zoom and see what's going on. It's a good listening album. I'm still sitting with it, I'm still parsing through it, but it's a good listening album, Very jazz-influenced. Sky Zoo is talking dope. He's spitting dope right now.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, I think, AG, you hit me up and you were like yo, this might be my top five album this year. In real time, yeah, I'm getting that vibe. And in real time, yeah, I'm getting that vibe. I had to listen to it some more. I love, you know, the kickoff. You know, keep me company, I'm sorry, community service.
Speaker 2:I love jazz. I love the record store day. I love the story behind it. It's almost like that. It's just a feel good record. You know what I mean when you listen to an album like this, straight through. It doesn't take you too high, it doesn't take you low, it just keeps you right there. And hear my attention. You can hear the Nas influencing, like you said, Kool, you can hear the Jay influencing there. Get this intentional. The right skits, the right context to set the song up. It has like a James Baldwin-esque type of feel, if you will, in some of the joints that he's talking, he's speaking on and it's just a dope record. I don't think it's over the top for me right now. I just think it's a dope project right now.
Speaker 1:I'm going to push back a little bit with you, sean, and I'm gonna tell you why. And, ag, I'm gonna push back with you too, and both of y'all tell me that you're feeling like this might end up being a top five project. Does the style of hip-hop that a sky zoo and a master ace make and I'm being very serious when I ask this, does it really matter anymore? Guys, yes, like how much does this style of hip-hop really really matter? Because I just I'm, I guess I'm in that place where it's like I'm tired of it not moving the needle. So I'm trying to, or I'm finding myself dissecting why it's not moving the needle.
Speaker 1:I will say that I feel like he suffers from, I feel like what a lot of eras. We know that that era of the 86 to 96 MCs is the best era MCs, because the MCs that have come after have all built their campaigns on it, some better, some for worse. You know, like somebody like a Rick Ross and a TI have taken what, like a Jay-Z has done and you know what I'm saying and molded and modeled some of that behavior and made themselves successful. And I think for Sky Zoo he's tried to embody something hip hop wise. He's tried to embody something hip-hop-wise that is, tribe and De La Soul-like with the jazz influence, nas and Jay-Z-like with the bar work and KRS-One and Chuck B-like with the content, and I love the record with Chuck B on here by the way.
Speaker 1:That might be the best joint on there. I'm going to get to some of the things that I think he should possibly do, but I think we need to understand this the style of hip-hop that Skyzoo makes guys, well, it was tough to go gold when that was the style of music to make, and that's what I mean when I say well, how viable is it for an artist like Skyzoo to make this style of music? And I'm not saying he should switch his style up or do anything different, but think about it. It was a struggle for a Mobb Deep to go gold. We look at the infamous and hell on earth and it sounds like it should be double and triple platinum, but it's not in reality.
Speaker 3:Well, to answer your question. To answer your question, there's two answers. Does it matter to the masses? Absolutely not. Does it matter to what now is a niche audience? Yes, it does Because, like you spoke on, coop, sky Zoo is approaching this album and projects in general as kind of like a last of a dying breed, so to speak. You know what I mean. He's trying to keep that alive and if, like you know, even if it's a small niche audience that's championing that, if we don't act like it matters, then nobody will. So you know I love the album personally. Like I told you, sean, it cracked my top five when I was listening to it over the past couple days. Before that number five spot was common and um pete rocks the auditorium.
Speaker 1:Volume one okay, so the same thing with that album. It's like, okay, so how viable really is it in these days and times? And, to be honest with you, how exciting is this project gonna be to you in about 30 days?
Speaker 3:I'm glad. I'm glad you said exciting, because that's the only thing. And then sean alluded to it too, where he's talking about his steady the auditorium album. It didn't excite me as much as I thought it would. But this album, for those same reasons I can't put it over.
Speaker 3:Um, the ll album, the kendrick album, rhapsody, uh, freddie gives like it doesn't have exciting moments per se, but what he's doing conceptually on this album and what he's doing with the lyrics gives, you know, for me gives him that nod at that number five spot, like he's always been conceptual.
Speaker 3:He's quietly having a great run, like with, uh, retro pod and all the brilliant um things and then, um, the mind of a saint and then the Mind of a Saint and then this, you know, that's a nice little run and he's always conceptual.
Speaker 3:He puts a lot of thought and care into his songs and, like you said, he's very Jay-Z, very Nas-inspired. But Sean brought up Record Store Day and skits that make sense the store run skit before that where he's talking to the shorty about like yo, you ain't up on records and stuff, and then he goes into a full-blown concept record about picking up a shorty at the record store and what that vibe is like you never been to a record store day, you can't really get that. But if you've been to a record store day it's a whole vibe. And to build a concept around that and to do an interpolation off Jay-Z's Girls, girls, girls, for the record, like Sky Zoo man, he's putting a lot of care into it. And you said the Chuck D joint group fired Esoteric, fired so much heat on this record man, I love it all the way around.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay, and I agree with everything that you said. But also, okay, okay, and I agree with everything that you said. But also, too, I think you just pointed out the three best records on the album. In my opinion, that's the Chuck D record.
Speaker 3:And they're an order, it's a run.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there is a run on the album. But this is what I mean about being viable in the space. Like, think about what? Is this? The record store record? What is it called? Record Store Day, record Store Day, yeah, record Store Day, store day. Right, oh, that that record should already been dropped and should already have visual aids to it. Fellas, like that's right. Like, because when I hear that record, I'm like this is fucking brilliant. I'm just like you, ag. I'm like, oh, he's using the j flip, it's catchy, it's nostalgic, the hook is dope, the bars are nice, it's got a different flow and vibe to it, but it's still kind of got that tribe feel and but but it's like. Well, is he going to make it viable?
Speaker 1:Like, you know, like, like why is it no Like for real? Why is there not a visual aid?
Speaker 3:I think something. I think something more so answers your question. It's something that somebody else said and it goes into how I feel about the album, why it has to be viable. It has to matter or mean something to the niche audience or it won't ever. On a wider scale I don't know if y'all seen it, but y'all know Ma San.
Speaker 3:Ma San, on his Instagram story a few days ago, was shouting out Kendrick and you know we'll get to Kendrick later. He said my son said that Kendrick, he was happy that Kendrick revived the West Coast sound and because Kendrick revived the West Coast sound, that New York could go back to sounding like New York again, because New York rappers were chasing the trends, aka trying to sound like southern rappers or what have you. So he was thankful that, okay, new York, it's time to get back into your bag and bring it back to that gritty NY sound, and he was thanking Kendrick for doing that on the west coast. But what I got to say to my son is people like Sky Zoo has been keeping the New York sound alive. It's just a lot of people don't care to check. He's very New York with his approach. You know what I mean. So if it doesn't matter to the core people that it's made for, then it'll never matter to the masses. My son's overlooking stuff like this.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's overlooking AG. I think it's more about the hearing palette right now. The hearing palette is different right now because if you think about it like this, like no shade to Coop, but when Coop said Glorilla had album of the year, contender, no, I'm just saying, I'm making an example, because I'm going to push back on him a little bit.
Speaker 1:I didn't say that.
Speaker 2:He's just a contender. I said it was a dope album, right, and you're saying because you're listening to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you said it was a dope album. It's an album contender of the year and when you said that I couldn't understand where you were coming from. I couldn't identify, I couldn't relate. But I can understand your ear because you're hearing Glorilla. You're hearing a loud music. The loud music is what's getting the attention right now. I'm not talking about loud and the yelling in the mic or whatever. I'm talking about just the sound, the sonics and what they're saying, because they're saying catchy things. Sky Zoo is not saying anything catchy on here. Everything going here is just bottom line hip-hop in its purest, rawest form.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear him over these big modern sounds per se, but what I do. But okay. So if you're going to fulfill a niche, I think you just need to fulfill the niche at its highest order, and I think that highest order is Record Store Day, esoteric, the Joint with Chuck D those are the records where he sounds his best. And I guess what I'm saying. I'm not saying that it's a bad project, guys. I'm giving the project a good rating. I don't know if it's going to make my top five. It might make my top 10. It's definitely making my top 20.
Speaker 1:It is one of the 20 best rap albums I heard this year. For certain. I know that just off. I've only listened to it once. I don't know how many times you guys have gotten to listen to it. I've only gotten one full listen to it. Three full times. Okay, I've only listened to it one full time, so it might grow on me a little bit better. So, but so these are initial thoughts that I'm giving off, but I just don't. I don't see the push, I don't, I don't hear where it's really just going to make the noise that it needs to make. It's another dope hip-hop record for another dope hip-hop artist. You know what I'm saying. Some of the questions yeah, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. Some of the questions that I kind of had were like well, is Sky Zoo a top 10 Brooklyn MC all time?
Speaker 3:Brooklyn got some joints.
Speaker 1:Off the top of my head, I gotta say no so we taking Kane Big and Jay off right, fab AZ, fab AZ 5 Jizza. Jizza who is Yazine?
Speaker 2:Pete, I mean.
Speaker 1:Old Dirty Talib who.
Speaker 3:Talib what, there you go.
Speaker 1:You call us haters Right.
Speaker 3:That's cool. You said Old Dirty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ain't.
Speaker 3:Busta. Brooklyn you said old dirty, yeah, ain't, ain't Buster Brooklyn nah.
Speaker 2:I thought he claimed Brooklyn, long Island.
Speaker 1:Long Island. Is that Long?
Speaker 3:Island, it's more Long Island, yeah okay, he grew up in Brooklyn, though he went to school in Brooklyn with Jay and Big yeah, foxy, foxy. Foxy and Kim. There you go. So we already got team 11.
Speaker 1:Top 20?.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's in that 20. He might be in that 20 piece he might be in that 20.
Speaker 3:But I mean it's Brooklyn, though, so that's nothing to sneeze at.
Speaker 1:It might be the deepest borough.
Speaker 2:I won't go that far.
Speaker 1:I said it might be.
Speaker 2:Damn.
Speaker 3:Corona, queens Ain't.
Speaker 2:Sean P Brooklyn. I said Sean P earlier.
Speaker 3:I didn't hear you say Sean P.
Speaker 1:You said Price. Oh, he's Brooklyn, brooklyn, okay, yeah, he's at 12 at a minimum, at a minimum, at a minimum. Okay, so that's what it is, and here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Joey D.
Speaker 1:I prefer to listen to a Joey project, but I don't think he's better than Scott Zubin.
Speaker 3:They're on the same footing. I'm glad you mentioned it, but they're on the same footing. That's the same realm that he's operating in.
Speaker 1:I don't think Joey's a better MC than Sky Zoo. I just can't say that Sky Zoo has been too nice with bars and concepts for too long for me to say that.
Speaker 2:We could probably say the same about him and ODB, then it's a style thing.
Speaker 1:Baby, I can't wait, I can't wait. Fuck that big Jesus. There's no fucking way back. You can't beat that. You can't beat that.
Speaker 2:That sounds crazy. I can't wait. You can't beat that. That sounds crazy, I can't wait. I did not like that. First hurry, nah, bro.
Speaker 3:That's an old experience, man.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, man, nigga please, nigga please, it's special, it is it really is.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. Nigga please, Nigga please. Special it is. It really is. It was crazy, he did.
Speaker 1:Cold Blooded by Rick James and Good Morning Cardiac by Billie Holiday. Who the hell read that? Rick James and Billie Holiday?
Speaker 3:on the same album man. I miss that dude man. I can't say enough how much I miss Dirty man Just off.
Speaker 1:style alone, he's a top 50 MC. Style alone, he's top 50.
Speaker 2:No doubt You're right, no doubt. What am I thinking? One of one, one of one, one of one, yeah.
Speaker 1:Special, special guy. Okay, guys, we're going to slide to the next. Hold on, where are we rating this album before we slide?
Speaker 3:I'm going to give it a solid four. I'm feeling like a three.
Speaker 2:I give it a three and a 3.8. 3.8. I got to listen to it some more. I got to listen to it some more.
Speaker 1:My early thoughts are solid four. But solid four is, I don't think, going to crack the top five. I do feel like that's where the Pete Rock and Common are at.
Speaker 3:But I feel like that's more the back end of the top 10 this year. I think this album and that album are very comparable. It just depends on a preference. You know what your mood is.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's the same mood pretty much, but just if you like you know the highs on the Pete Rock in Common are better, but the bar work in the end is actually better.
Speaker 3:on that, I can't say that because it ain't a song on that comment and p rock that I like as much as esoteric or record store day on this yeah, same here record store day, just special to me, it just record record store day is special.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's it's okay for artists like him. This is what I mean when you're a maybe p got the production. Maybe that's it if you want to go that route, but yeah, could be well, actually in the name and the name recognition Could be, and the name recognition as well.
Speaker 2:I think the name pushes over a little bit too.
Speaker 3:I'm going to listen to them because, like I said, not retropodding, but Keep Me Company jumped over the auditorium in my list for that five spot. But this weekend I'm going to listen to them back to back and see what I think.
Speaker 2:No doubt.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean, we talked. What about like Dance and Fame, like? What about MOP?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Brownsville.
Speaker 2:Yep Jeru the Damager yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean you're getting closer to 20, what?
Speaker 1:Coop said OC. So that's what I mean. So it's harder for a rapper of his caliber to make an imprint, making this style of hip-hop, because we can go get this from a Nas still. He still yeah, you know what I mean. He would fall in that category. You have somebody like a Benny the but butcher and a conway the machine who have kind of, like you know, taking what he has done on the independent route and leveled it up in terms of impact. Some you know what I'm saying a lot of their early joints.
Speaker 3:you know they were with sky zoo I'm gonna push back on that coop because like the style of records, yes, but like it depends on the author, because as dope as the author Nas is and his rhymes, he doesn't make a song like Record Store Day. We get a store run but Nas doesn't make a Record Store Day song. We don't get that from him. You know what I mean, because that's from, like, granted Nas is very nostalgic, but Sky Zoo is speaking from a fan perspective, like you know what I mean. It's kind of you know, and I love Nas, but I don't think we get this type of record from Nas. Concept yes, but that particular concept, no, because you know Nas is somewhere else. You know Sky Zoo is still. It's relatable.
Speaker 1:This is a record that Fonte would make, if that makes sense, good point oh, I feel you, it's got more of a ground level feel to it, but I don't know if that's what he does. That's what I mean about making this record into something. It's like I want this record to be more than that. I want this record to be more like oh, I want it to be more like a common come close or the light for him.
Speaker 3:That's fair, but for me it's the opposite. That's what endears the album to me. I'm a big Fonte fan, so I like that kind of stuff, the everyman type thing.
Speaker 1:I don't mind the everyman of it, but can we make it big enough that it creates a ripple for him, that it changes things for him and he gets more notoriety Because he is a really dope MC. And he gets more notoriety because he is a really dope MC.
Speaker 2:He's been around for a long time he has.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Alright, I digress, we're going to go to the next thing. Uncle L's talking again, made a top five rap album this year and he's just won't be quiet, guys. This is what happens when your favorite rapper's favorite rapper ends up making a dope album when he's like 55. Isn't? He like Aren't he and Jay like the same age?
Speaker 3:He's maybe one or two years older than Jay, I think two years. Ll, I think, is 57. Somebody in the chat fact-checked that, but I think LL is 57. Jay just turned 55, double nickel okay.
Speaker 2:I still think, jay, about 58 man, but yo but L L has.
Speaker 1:CJ the Kid with my favorite track. My favorite track is Reason $2 super chat from CJ the Kid. I just wanted to clear that he has a point. Cj the kid with my favorite track. My favorite track is reason two dollars super chat from cj the kid. I just wanted to clear that out before we started talking about uncle l saying that he is the most important rapper that ever existed. Is he wrong?
Speaker 2:I don't think he's wrong. I don't think he's wrong man.
Speaker 3:I mean like he has the ability to talk from a vantage point that hardly anybody else does. You know what I mean, because you get a chance to look at the field and the groundwork and everything that came after you.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So, prescribing to that thought, it's prescribing to the thought that, well, I did it first, hereby, thereby. That's what makes me the best at this.
Speaker 3:Most important and best are two totally different things.
Speaker 1:They're saying two totally different things.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is what I'm saying when I'm saying most important. What are you talking about when you were saying most important? You're talking about something that he did 1985 and the fact that he's still doing it now. Like, like, how, how, how much has that importance resonated consistently over the course of this run or reign? How much has it diversified itself from a rapper standpoint? Hold on, let me give you an example of what I'm saying, like when I say how much has it really been from a rapper standpoint. Hold on, let me give you an example of what I'm saying like when I say how much has it really been from a rapper standpoint? Because he said most important rapper that ever existed.
Speaker 1:Yes, so you have somebody who we all think is the goat, naz. I mean naz has mass appeal Pakistan right now and is literally signing African artists, like right now. Like viable. Has a rapper in the hip hop culture sphere not and I'm not saying any of this disrespectfully to L not hosting uh award shows, acting on TV series, film or or any of that. He said most important rapper. Have you experienced maybe the most important moments for a rapper? I think definitely. Does that necessarily make you the most important rapper over the full duration of it, because when we talk about Nas being the GOAT, we talk about it being the consecutiveness and the consistency and the longevity of the run and how viable it has been musically at the end of the day and I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just playing devil's advocate, especially since you niggas are so quick to say yeah to everything today well, no, I'm just good at compartmentalizing, right.
Speaker 3:So it most important doesn't mean best at all and it doesn't to me even mean the most impactful, because you can say impactful and just have a moment of hip-hop like kendrick's having the most impactful years we've ever seen. You got wayne's impact, you got kan, you got Jay Nas, whoever. But most important, like you said, you know you can take Nas, but Nas grew up watching L.
Speaker 1:I was just using an example.
Speaker 3:Right, but Nas grew up watching L. So if L doesn't spark that, you know, like yo, I can do this. You know what I'm saying To Nas then do we even get Nas, because you said it yourself. You said that Andre you was talking about Andre made you believe that you could rap. And who did you say before him, Like you said Scarface, no. Him like um, you said scarface, no, I think you said scarface, you know, made you uh want to rap. And then, uh, andre made you believe you could. I think that's how you put it. I might be paraphrasing it wrong, but anyway to to that point, ll probably sparked a lot of the minds that we hold higher than him to think, like yo, I can really do this. You know I can rap. Ll's a superstar. They may have surpassed him, but he would still be more important because he sparked their brain to go forward.
Speaker 1:I mean, okay, so you take somebody like a Jay-Z or a Tupac that, have somebody like a Kanye West or a Kendrick Lamar that they've influenced and inspired for whole generations down in a tub. That's what I'm saying. It's like well, he's not. Does he have a viable case when he is saying it? Yes, it's just not as cut and dry as people are making it out to be.
Speaker 3:No, it's not cut and dry. But if you ever, if anybody ever, tapped into Ancestrycom or whatever when you checking out and Sean always talks about the tree but if you're checking out your ancestry, depending on the information that's been submitted, it'll go back so far and then you get to a certain point where it should just cut off. It stops because you can only go back so far and I think for LL, for a lot of people, that's the stopping point Once you keep tracing the thread back so far.
Speaker 1:OK, that's what I'm saying. So, in terms of his legacy and his importance, that is the thing. He is the legacy superstar rapper quintessential.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And he and, like I said, he is our archetype and motif about the bravado that comes with the mc all of these things are part of the importance of it. What I'm saying is is that, outside of those things and those things are as important as important could be when it comes to hip-hop, especially when you look at how the modern day mc has behaved you know what I'm saying. On and off the mic, he, he's super important. After those moments, after those groundbreaking, legendary moments, how consistently viable and important has he been?
Speaker 3:Very, because LL created the blueprint that's still going today and the biggest artist that was in the world up until well. He's still the biggest artist rap-wise and you know, drake got taken down in the battle but rappers are still using LL's blueprint of catering to the ladies. Oh, drake.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, no, no, drake is still king and we're going to talk about that briefly when we talk about some of this tour money, some of this show money, but he's using a lot of Blueprint that L used A lot of them did because LL had so many branches to his tree.
Speaker 2:He had the Lady Branch, he had the Hardcore Branch, he had the Battle Branch. If you were to prune LL from the hip-hop timeline, a lot of things are going to wither A lot of things and there's only certain rappers out there that you prune.
Speaker 3:Love the Marvel reference by the way, say that again. I said love the Marvel reference, by the way.
Speaker 2:You know I'm going with it Because you prune him, you prune Rakim, you prune Kane. Curtis Blow Run DMC People, those them in that elk right there. You take them away from hip hop. We have nothing because they meant so much. And he's one of them. He's one of the elders. He's one of the elders because he was one of the youngest ones in that elder group and we keep forgetting that.
Speaker 2:You had Curtis Blow, who was the first superstar of hip hop. Right. First rapper and superstar LL was the reboot of that. Ll rebooted what Curtis Blow really was because he came through. He was running DMC around that same time. First artist Dev Jamzahn. Right, first artist Dev Jamzahn. He kicked off one of the most legendary hip-hop labels ever. Ever. You can you take that out the equation. A lot of things with her. And to ag's point, let's not just look at the, the female bag. Let's look at what he's done as a battle rapper. Let's look at what he's done as a philanthropist. Let's look at what he brought to hip-hop when it came TV shows. He was the first to have done that stuff. Right, look at his acting ability in Home. It ain't too deep as God, I'm just kidding, but at the end of the day he's one of them. He's one of them, he's one of the elders. So yeah, coop to your point.
Speaker 1:maybe he's not ever existed, but he's one of those that existed, in my opinion. I mean, I'm just giving some pushback because it seems like everybody's just saying oh well, it's Ellen, it's a no brainer, because he's the first to do this, first to do this, first to do that. It's like OK, the first person to do like everything in most genres and in most sports and in most places in life usually isn't the person that like is considered to be most important at it, though.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm going gonna take a coupe line, let me. Let me submit this to you. I'm asking questions. When, when was when? When was the first time we heard foxy? I shot your remix when was the first time we heard dmx?
Speaker 1:I had heard dmx before, but I hear you four, three, two, one right. When's the first time we see a visual big pun oh, I shot your remix video, you know, I mean, the list goes on and on, like you know for some.
Speaker 3:For some people, four, three, two, one was their first time hearing cannabis, you know, so, um, but still that that's. That's kind of like. You know what I'm getting at ll. You know, like, like sean said, if you take him out of the timeline a lot of stuff changes. So I'm rolling. It's not cut and dry coop, I do agree with that, but I'm rolling with what ll saying because you know I'm not getting lost on semantics, I can compartmentalize and I think what he's saying is true like how about this?
Speaker 1:I think that's something that it's definitely poll worthy. How about that? It's like we should put tupac j Jay-Z Nas.
Speaker 3:But can the voters distinguish between best and most important? Because, like I said, that's two totally different things.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why I asked you to start this off. What's most important to you? Like, really, really mean, because it's like I don't know, because just because you're the first person to do something doesn't necessarily mean you're the most important. You know what I mean. Like, if that was the case, george Mikan would be the greatest center of all time.
Speaker 3:Right now, you're right.
Speaker 1:You feel me.
Speaker 3:Right, but George Mikan ain't no LF. I don't know.
Speaker 1:George Michael won like four straight titles one scoring title, rebounding titles, Like you straight titles one scoring title, rebounding titles.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. Now, if you took it back to Grandmaster Kaz and them guys, what about this?
Speaker 1:Even with Bill Russell, guys. I mean Bill Russell. When Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were rookies, they did a poll and Bill Russell was named the greatest basketball player of all time. Bill Russell isn't hardly in anybody's top five anymore. That was 1978, 79, when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson got there.
Speaker 3:So much came after them. But, to Sean's point, ll was the young guy in that first older generation, and then Kane and Rakim came after LL and LL outlasted all of them.
Speaker 2:He's an elder man. He was the elder back then. He's only like he's only about he might turn 57,. What next?
Speaker 1:month. No, no, no, no. I love the conversation. I'm just giving some pushback for the sake of the dialogue. I can't be agreeing with y'all. It makes me look bad. You know what I'm saying. I have a reputation. People count on me to know what I'm talking about. If I agree with you, it obviously means I don't know what I'm talking about I don't get it. I don't get it I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it.
Speaker 2:We're going to get to some of these super chats.
Speaker 1:We're going to get to some of these super chats. The slides are in the pens concern yes, Is that more important or just as important as the cultural package that LL brings to the table?
Speaker 2:What can't it be the chicken or the egg?
Speaker 1:So Rakim deserves to be in this most important conversation as well.
Speaker 3:But whose legacy is still being exemplified in 2024? Ll's or Rakim's Are more people you know putting intricacies in how they write with the pen to give credence to Rakim, or are people still using LL's template?
Speaker 1:I mean all we have to say. Ll made the better album this year. They both dropped projects this year. Ll made the far superior album.
Speaker 3:That ain't even close. Close, that ain't remotely close.
Speaker 2:Not even close.
Speaker 1:Okay, one more Super Chat and then we're going to slide to the next topic Andre Miller with the $2 Super Chat. What up Dre LL Tree is, john Nelly and Drake Nasty work, what say you, sean?
Speaker 3:Look at all the records that you people got. That's probably about like 70 million records, hey you can call it nasty work if you want to.
Speaker 1:It's nasty between about 100 million records plus.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and that's not how.
Speaker 1:Nobody was singing when Ja Rule was in there, I mean people forget Ja Rule was going double, triple platinum, like back to back to back. Exactly he was.
Speaker 2:people forget John Rule was going double, triple platinum, like back to back, to back, exactly, exactly because if everyone said that go 50 in there and he had a run like that for a few years. Most people don't get that yes, he did, yes, he did and Nelly sold more records than John.
Speaker 1:Nelly was selling 6, 7, 8, 9 million records yeah, you gotta still don't forget, drake just records than John LA was selling 6, 7, 8, 9 million records.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to still Drake just Drake shit.
Speaker 1:Just Drake shit, just different.
Speaker 3:But to your point, coop, this just popped into my head, like you was asking about Rakim. If I'm being honest, of course I got Rakim ranked higher, but LL checks more boxes than Rakim does.
Speaker 1:Four more boxes. This is what I'm saying. He checks more boxes than rockham does. This is what I'm saying. He checks more boxes, but when you look at how about this?
Speaker 3:how you ask how the boxes are weighted. What's you know more important? Yeah, like I get it like, like, like.
Speaker 1:when you're taking my daughter's about to take the sat, gentlemen, when you take the SAT and you're taking the English portion, oh no, them two essays at the end is like 40%. Them two questions is 40%. Them other 80 questions is 60%. When you look at, even though LL is the first person to come and embody that hip-hop culture, fashion sense, bravado and steez, more people look and rap like Rakim than LL guys.
Speaker 2:Even though L did it first and embodies the same thing.
Speaker 1:When people think of hip-hop in the 80s, they don't think of LL and radio. They think of Eric B and Rakim on the cover of Paid in Full guys.
Speaker 2:Cool because Rakim is the prototype. He's specialized in that. He's a specialist when it comes to lyricism. Ll is Army Swiss Knights.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the cultural. Look, though, I'm talking about the cultural look of what a hip-hop. You know what I mean. Cultural look, though. I'm talking about the cultural look of what a hip hop. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Well, that's not fair, coop, because you had. We love to look at rappers for, like the album covers, we want to emulate that. Everybody wanted the Dapper, Dan Gucci, the Dookie Rope Chains and stuff, and that's not fair. Comparing it to radio, because radio is a boombox.
Speaker 1:on the cover, like LL ain't even on there. You know what I'm saying? No, this is what I'm saying. How about this? There are more guys from that era that ended up dressing the way that Rakim and Eric B were dressing in real life than guys were dressing like LL in real life, in real time, in terms of embodiment of the culture at that time.
Speaker 3:LL got something to say against that, because anybody who wore FUBU during that whole era was the one to trust, like LL.
Speaker 2:I did because I had one pants leg up, one pants leg down.
Speaker 1:Yes, Sean, we know you have no taste. Let's slide to the next topic.
Speaker 2:Wow you see what I'm wearing right now. You see that crescent sign right there. What do you mean? What do?
Speaker 1:you mean? What is that? What is that? What are you wearing? Oh my God, Exactly. He said you don't even know.
Speaker 2:I don't even know, please, you don't even know.
Speaker 3:Hey, Sean said the logo's secret Shout out to Jay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the logo's secret. Shout out to Jay. Yeah, the logo secret. That's that Tarjay special.
Speaker 1:That's that Tarjay special. You just got off the plane and you ain't got nothing to wear to hip-hop All your clothes still dirty.
Speaker 2:Look at the insides. Oh, my goodness, it's the winter edition, yikes.
Speaker 1:Winter edition of what.
Speaker 3:Who talking about your fit? He got a fake pocket that joint don't even open up.
Speaker 2:He didn't put his hand in it.
Speaker 1:Sir, sir.
Speaker 2:This is Armani.
Speaker 1:Exchange. This says AX, right here. This is Armani Exchange AX. Do it open up? No, it don't open up. Fool, it's a patch.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry about that it ain't got the crescent on it. It ain't got that crescent on it.
Speaker 1:I know y'all don't wear Armani exchange. I do. I happen to like it. The shirt's very comfortable. I like it, Nigga we're going to the next topic. Don't ever call my shit cute again on YouTube. J Cole, your daughter's 42, Sean, You're 96 years old in a karate class Shit. She should like Armani and Jake.
Speaker 3:Y'all killing me, man.
Speaker 1:We the same age with your old Park Hill ass. Now let's go to the next subject matter for you. So, hey guys, what do we think about J Cole's rollout?
Speaker 2:I love it, man. I got to give a shout out to my man, ag, though Like real talk, ag has been like my commentary guy for me when it came to this. I didn't purchase this thing that Cole has, because AG just been like run down like the foot notes too, and I appreciate it because he's breaking it down for me to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1:So you're enabling his behavior and not working on it Absolutely, because I can't do anything else.
Speaker 2:I tried, I gave up. I can't help him, no more. He's going to do what he's going to do, but he does a great job. Breaking down the actual podcast that Cole has and just really listening and kind of getting AJ's feedback on it Helped me understand a lot of different fragments of what Cole was talking about during those times that he was making those albums, especially when he was talking about the whole dynamic with Jay, how Jay wanted him to get the joint from Drake you know, from the boy, as he called him and just how Cole played that whole thing out. But for me I love this rollout. I love it. So exciting yeah.
Speaker 3:For those who's not in the know, it was real disrespectful. This is so disrespectful. But, jay, it was a party. It was around the time cole was working on his first album, lebron, and uh, jay-z had a two kings dinner and um, you know cole and his man, eve, and then drake, and uh, you know his manager future, not future, you know the rapper, but his manager future. And then chubbs was all around talking and uh, jay-z coming to party and looking, uh, you know cole and drake and signals to drake like yo, come on, just get a boy one, just give him one of those hits, like you know. And um, just walked off after that. You know what I mean. And cole took it as disrespect. Like you know, drake, gotta write me a hit now.
Speaker 1:Look at his disrespect. Nothing to take his disrespect. It's disrespectful.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he approached Jay on it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Those open-hand slaps that I'm talking about, where it's like.
Speaker 3:He got a little tight with Jay and then you know what I'm saying approached him on it. But no, for real, this series is real fascinating and it's a good career retrospective rollout and you get you know, we'll talk about it later Like, since I was a part of the people who subscribe to the pod, you get like emails and perks, like the garden show that we're going to talk about. You got early ticket advance sales. I didn't get one, but I would have been able to cop the tickets in advance. Same thing with limited edition vinyl, because tonight he's actually dropping the 10th anniversary of Forest Hills Drive with eight extra tracks on it and they were selling exclusive vinyl through a link through the email, if you subscribe to this podcast.
Speaker 3:But what I want to talk to you guys about, the most fascinating thing I heard on the last episode is you know it really taps into who J Cole is as a person and it makes you. It makes more sense, like the moves he made and the apology and whatnot. You know dude's just a likable guy and wants to remain well liked. But the thing I found fascinating is remember, on the Heavens EP freestyle when he said the fans threw the bronze at him you know what I mean and put Kendrick and Drake above him in the quote-unquote big three. He actually said himself that Kendrick surpassed him when Good Kid Mad City dropped, surpassed him when good kid mad city dropped. And I thought that was fascinating because he said that when so far gone dropped he was working on friday night lights and that made him restructure his whole approach to that mixtape. Instead of doing all freestyles like damn drake is doing a mixtape that's on the level of an album. So I gotta step my game up and make my mixtape on the level of an album.
Speaker 3:And then Drake gets into making certifiable hits and he said I was chasing Drake mentally and he was collabing with Kendrick. He knew what Kendrick could do on the mic because between like a few episodes they played like four or five collabs that never came out exclusive between him and Kendrick. You know that they were working on a project together. So he knew Kendrick was like you know, going to make his place in the game. But he said I wasn't looking in the rear view and didn't see him, you know, coming out like that.
Speaker 3:So Kendrick came with Good Kid Mad City and J Cole said he envied it because Good Kid Mad City had everything he wanted as an artist. He wanted their critical acclaim, the classic status hits that was working on the radio and it sold more units than J Cole's debut. So J Cole said I'm too busy chasing what Drake was doing. And then this guy came and surpassed me. This guy came and surpassed me, so I just thought it was wild that he admitted that he felt that kendrick surpassed him at good, kid mad city. And he's been, you know, basically holding that third spot down since what? 2013, if we look at it like that for over a decade I hate that entire perspective.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it's kind of crazy to say that out loud, but it just really fascinated me and blew my mind that he said it.
Speaker 1:Kind of crazy. Yeah, no, that's full-on crazy.
Speaker 3:So that means you've been viewing yourself as not the fans that put you in that spot. You viewed yourself in the third place for an entirety of a decade.
Speaker 1:He might need a rapper psychologist, the way LeBron needed a sports psychologist after the Dallas choke. He might need a rapper psychologist.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you know it does sound crazy, but for his humbleness.
Speaker 1:Hold on AG Furthermore.
Speaker 3:It's a psychologist. I don't humbleness. Hold on AG.
Speaker 1:Furthermore it's a psychology. I don't want to hear about any of this shit.
Speaker 3:We know, coop, you want the album.
Speaker 1:December what it's December what.
Speaker 3:It's not coming out this year. It's not happening. This is going to be a long retirement rollout. He's still got more to go in this rollout. He's giving you a full career retrospective before he tires and says sayonara, I mean it just is what it is. We'll say what.
Speaker 1:He's retiring.
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, where have've been under a rock. It's called the fall off. This is a retirement album and you from north carolina it's crazy like, yes, he's retiring at the fall off. This is going to be his last album. That's why this is a full career retrospective that he's given us, because he isn't done after that.
Speaker 1:Nobody's trying to hear that shit, alright, ain't nobody buying that Jay did this shit to us before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but Cole's not the type to cap on that level like Jay did. Jay stayed capping. Yeah, cole don't cap. He don't cap about retiring. He'll be like joe button.
Speaker 1:He'll like oh, you'll be gone for real capping his ass. That's what this whole year has been nah, this pod is dope.
Speaker 3:You hate like it gets. I'll tell you what this pod is giving you more insight in into cold than any of his albums will give you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's a fact. I'm so happy that you're enjoying it.
Speaker 2:It's fire Okay, coop is hurt, I get it. That's that pain talking because Coop was really hurting for Cole this year and Kenya came out.
Speaker 3:He was fake hurt. The nigga didn't even know that Cole was retiring. Stop it.
Speaker 2:You might be on to something he's fake hurt. He didn't even know that Cole was retiring. Stop it. You might be on to something he was fake hurt.
Speaker 1:Look here I'm going to be honest with you. When the whole apology thing happened, or whatever we want to call it, it was checkout time. It was checkout time.
Speaker 3:That's part of it.
Speaker 1:You see, no, no see, no, no, no see. I believe in protecting my peace, and what you not about to do is say peace you're right, I thought about that Coop. I didn't think about your equation oh, so he get to say peace, but I'm supposed to be keeping up with the fuck going on with him you're right, coop, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go get mine.
Speaker 1:And now I would like to talk about these gold pieces around my neck right here. Look at the segue. Yeah, we saying peace to talking about J Cole. Peace, nigga the fuck is your problem, we ain't done with Cole yet. We still got one more thing. But go ahead, put some balloons in the drop again. We're gonna have a problem how does? That even happen. Like who does that cause? It's a celebration when I come through with two chains on. You know what have?
Speaker 2:a very merry Christmas, ho ho ho shit gentlemen, we have our first sponsorship.
Speaker 1:I was able to uh talk to a young man who owns a gold company. It's called trio gold shopcom. What I have on right here is a three millimeter 24 inch gold fr chain. It's all 18 karat gold. By the way, this is an 8mm, 26 inch Cuban. We're going to help Trio Gold Shop sell some of these chains for the holidays. They're actually really nice. What do you think, fellas Y'all?
Speaker 2:want some of these.
Speaker 1:Sure, Y'all need to check out the website. Trio said he's down to hook up Sean and AG with some merch too. I told AG now everything's a go with you. I don't know about Sean yet. I said whatever AG want, I said we got to check up with Sean first. Sometimes we get a little out of hand, out of pocket. I was like we can't just be giving this nigga Cuban links for free.
Speaker 3:He likes Cuban links, but he gets no Cuban links.
Speaker 1:So Sean, your shit might cost a little bit. Ag, yours is free.
Speaker 3:No doubt, no doubt. We'll have to link that in the chat, you know, so the people can pull up, know, get their loved ones. You know, saying that a chain yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And also, too, I do want our followers to know that this is actually black owned business. This, uh, this gentleman, uh has actually funded his own business. Uh bought his own jewelry 18 karat gold. Uh also sells silver as well. Um, you know his pitch goes that you know you can upgrade your style with the premium gold chain. Use 18 karat gold. It is real gold. It doesn't tarnish, it doesn't fade. You can shower in it. It's sweat proof, weatherproof, waterproof. It's black on and you know we always want to support black business here.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie. I'm not taking these chains off. Since I got them two days ago, I have, you know, I've done everything in them. I've balled so hard on these hoes with these chains on. I went to work with these chains on. I went to the mall and balled again with these chains on. I went to the auto shop with these chains on. I got in the shower with these chains on. I prepared for the auto shop with these chains on. I got in the shower with these chains on. I prepared for the podcast with these chains on. I went outside like Tony Soprano in my robe to take out the trash. That is great With these chains on. Yeah, I did with these chains on.
Speaker 2:No, I get it, I get it. I remember I got my first chain.
Speaker 3:I was like this is not my first chain. You dummy Yo cue up Big Sean and Nas, not my first chain.
Speaker 1:Not my first chain Got my first chain when I was like seven fool, I'm from the west side of Charlotte.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I remember when I got my first chain, I was excited too.
Speaker 1:I've been wearing gold chains and gold rings since I was a kid.
Speaker 3:Kool Magalene got the Rockefeller you know chain today Rockefeller chain.
Speaker 1:You know chain and thing. I can feel the chain. Yeah, are you all going to help me sell this product tonight? What is wrong with you?
Speaker 3:We're on the screen, we're helping you sell it, just by being here.
Speaker 1:Are you sure I hate you, Nick?
Speaker 3:Nah, man, for real. Like we got to link that in the Discord too.
Speaker 1:We got to link that in the Discord too, about being unsure about if Sean was getting anything. No, no, no, I'm talking to Trio. Next week is going to be me with six chains on your chain is going to be on me like I'm, rob, he's going to take our chains, sean. It's going to be a stick-up without having to stick it up.
Speaker 3:Kool will come over here looking like Slick Rick or MrT with our chains on man. He's got everybody's chains on man.
Speaker 1:He got everybody's chains on man. This the charm to say AG right here.
Speaker 3:He's going to have to eye patch and call his peasants.
Speaker 1:I mean, I already call you peasants. You know what I'm saying. I don't need eye patch to do that, but I'm definitely going to wear all your chains. So why don't you? Two ungrateful brothers? I want you, two ungrateful brothers, I want you two ungrateful black men to go on triogoldshopcom and pick out some pieces that you all would like to wear. Trio said he's willing to provide us with any sort of need. If you want hoodie hat, whatever you want to do to help promote the brand, sell the chain. We're selling gold.
Speaker 3:Facts. Show them the pendant that you got in your pocket.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to show you the finger that I got on my hand. See the finger I got on my hand. See the finger I got on my hand.
Speaker 2:See what I can do with the finger.
Speaker 1:I can show both the chains with this finger and show off the chain and the finger at the same time.
Speaker 3:Yo, this is the best promotion. Anybody can get Word up, man Shout out.
Speaker 1:We appreciate the look. The website is triogoldshopcom. T-r-i-o. Goldshopcom. If you don't know how to spell gold and spell shop, we want you to buy seven chains. When you finally figure out how You're not that bright anyway Go buy seven chains. When you finally figure out how because you're not that bright anyway Go buy seven chains. Okay, I'll be on here with six chains next week because AG and Sean ain't getting shit for Christmas but a bag of coal and a bah humbug from Coop. This is Hip Hop Talk's sponsored event. We'd like to move to the next topic. Shout out to Trio, his wonderful family and Trio Gold Shop. Thank you all for supporting Black-owned businesses. I think I'm going to have to put a couple pieces on these chains. You know what I'm saying? Really bald, okay.
Speaker 3:Yo shout out to Trio Gold Shop.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Shout out to Trio Gold Shop for giving us our first real right plug. You know what I'm saying. And I just want to say Trio's also one of those brothers that it's plug. You know what I'm saying. And he was, uh, and I just want to say you know, trio is also one of those brothers that it's like, you know, um, when you all get a chance to meet him, you're one of those guys you're going to want to do business with him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:He was so quick and and uh, and willing. He's like. You know, it's pretty much. You know, uh, he helped us shine, we help him shine. And uh, really, that's how black wall street was built, guys. It was built on just the right people getting together and helping each other strive at what their entrepreneurial endeavors was so glad to take part in it. We got to move and go to the next thing, which is the main thing. The big three are all going on tour at a separate time, guys, but kind of like the same time. It kind of feels intentional. So we have Drake, drake's going on tour. Where is it?
Speaker 2:New Zealand and Australia.
Speaker 1:And he's had to add extra dates because the pre-sale demand has been so high.
Speaker 3:Yes, Isn't it that Anita Maxwin? He very much needs a Maxwin Like very much so.
Speaker 2:He's a huge one. I'm going to say less about that.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say that, numbers-wise, he's still doing everything that he needs to do?
Speaker 3:Oh, of course.
Speaker 1:Which is win he's still doing everything that he does, which is win. J Cole is preparing for Forest Hill's drive 10-year anniversary at the Garden I don't care where the fuck is your album and then we're going to go to Kendrick and SZA.
Speaker 3:No, I don't do that. Don't skip over, Cole. That's it. The shit in the Garden is going to be dope.
Speaker 3:And listen, 2014 tickets is going to be sold for a dollar he's still keeping up with the dollar and a dream theme but they're going to drop a secret location before the concert and 2014 tickets are going to get sold for $1. So that's dope. Shout out to Cole for that, but it's going to be mayhem wherever that event is located, where you got to get the tickets for $1. So when he drops the location, addie, it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm buying 100 tickets. I'll be able to sell Trio's chains. They're quicker than the tickets to sell. That is crazy. Where's my album when? That is crazy. Where's my album? Where's the fucking album?
Speaker 3:Ridiculous. He might have told you the release date of the album, but you wouldn't know because you won't tune in to the podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm out. I told you I was out. You're not about to be apologizing. No, we're not about to be doing that. You want too much from.
Speaker 3:Cole, at this point man.
Speaker 1:Kendrick and SZA has actually been the news of the week. Guys, what do you think about Kendrick and SZA touring being the news of the week? What do you think about Kendrick getting in full stadium flow with SZA? I mean, these are some big venues, big arenas. I think this is arguably, venue-wise, kendrick's biggest tour to date. He's coming to Atlanta. Sean, I do plan on going there to hate, hate, hate. I plan on going there to hate.
Speaker 3:Mine taking to a stadium tour to hate is nasty. You said Sean was hating on Jay.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. No, no, no. See, sean, the thing that really makes Sean the hater of all haters and why Sean's going to win hater of the year over Mad Max, is because Sean isn't aware of his hater tendencies. See, I know when I'm about to hate. Hey, john, I know when I'm about to hate.
Speaker 3:No, because you be doing it to me all the time and I got to tell you on the side like yo, bro chill, because you told me under the bus at least once a week see sean wake up and subconsciously hate on niggas.
Speaker 1:That's a different type of hate I'm working over here.
Speaker 3:His conscience is like oh, he's coming to atlanta yo if I, if I had a dollar for every time sean told me, yo, I'm sorry, because I'd be like calling him out like yo, what are you doing? But not this stadium tour. It makes sense, you know, and it does. Let's. Let's just address the elephant in the room. It does have to be both of them, because sisa is just as big as the artist as kendrick, is it. It does have to be both of them to sell out stadiums. Um on, on this tour.
Speaker 1:So don't you think she's the biggest artist at this stage?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, I could agree with that, but I'm just saying both of their names are needed in order to be able to sell out these stages this works, it makes sense.
Speaker 1:But I mean SZA did just get done, doing like 7 million.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's going to be dope, kendrick, you know what I'm saying got a dope new record.
Speaker 1:Has Kendrick ever done 7 million?
Speaker 3:No, not really.
Speaker 1:Like an 18-month stretch.
Speaker 3:No, not that I know of, I don't think she's the bigger artist right now. Yeah, I mean her last album. First week sales are comparable to what Kendrick did you know this week for G&X. G&x did what like 320, something in that ballpark.
Speaker 1:Well, let's talk about that right quick. I have some numbers right quick. I want you, fellas, to tell me what you think about these numbers while we talking about these rappers on tour. So Drake's For All the Dogs did 402k when it came out this first week. Okay, I thought it was more than that. 402 was the official number, okay, now. Now the Kendrick did 324, right, yep. The Schoolboy Q did 34, the Absol did 5, the Mustard did 18, the Dolce did 11. Now, all those albums combined did 400, and this is supposed to be a shining moment for Kendrick and supposed to be a low point for Drake. And, quite frankly, as far as albums are concerned, if we were talking about Drake's catalog, for all the dogs would be on the lower end of his catalog. Would that be a fair assessment?
Speaker 3:yeah, drake's still the bigger artist. There's no arguing that.
Speaker 1:So why does everybody keep looking at me crazy when I'm saying, like, the reason that Kendrick's doing a lot of these numbers that he's doing right now specifically is in correlation to who he's been talking about?
Speaker 3:Yes, yes and no, yes and no Coop. I had this argument this morning.
Speaker 1:I was talking to one of my. Am I saying it like a hater?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I was having a conversation with one of my homies this morning.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Mike you know what I'm saying, my homie Mike in Greensboro.
Speaker 3:But we was having this argument this morning and he subscribes to the same thing of you know, Kendrick. It does seem he has the most light on him now than he's ever had in his career. So, with that being said, if numbers are being you know altered and Kendrick's cheating or whatever, and these bots are, you know, helping his album sales or what have you I mean I know the lawsuit is just over, Not Like Us, but he has all these people in his corner and he only did 320, some the first week Then that argument doesn't hold up. If you go back and look at the damn numbers the damn numbers did twice as many the first week. It did over 600 K the first week. So I don't think it's fair to say that, just because he beefed with Drake this year and everything's at an all-time high for him, that he's never been hotter than this, because we can point to a moment in time when he actually was hotter and it didn't have nothing to do with Drake.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you a legitimate question that I sincerely don't have the answer to. Very, very seriously, what did Mr Morales do the first week?
Speaker 3:uh, somebody in the chat checked that.
Speaker 1:I would say probably about 200 and some off top of the head so remember it was a double album too, so those units so I don't think it's fair to look at what damn was. I think mr morale is more of an accurate depiction for what his numbers look like, without talking about drake in this current rap climate.
Speaker 3:Well, current rap climate, yeah, but if we're talking about any snapshot in history over the course of his career, dan was his peak and that's why you were so hard on him about that five-year break to get to Mr Morale, because he stepped away and left at his peak. You know what I'm saying. So I don't think you can fairly say like he's never been hotter than right now when he's talking about Drake, because at his peak he technically was.
Speaker 2:What was attached to Damn? Didn't Damn have something else?
Speaker 3:Damn had Rihanna on the record, so that's a lot in and of itself.
Speaker 1:That's not what Sean's talking about. Sean's talking about Okay. So there are industry rumors that Kendrick really didn't do numbers without bundles and damn has bundles, so a lot of people feel like that's a lot of damn damn bundles 600K. I mean, I'm not saying that, I mean. But what if the bundles were responsible for 200,?
Speaker 3:AG 400 is still nothing to sneeze at man. You could take away those 200 if you want to.
Speaker 1:I'm not taking anything away. Lord knows if I take anything away. The KKK is going to go. Kkk, you know what I'm saying. Going to be crosses burning in my yard. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, kung Fu Kenny rules you. Crosses burning in my yard. You know what I'm saying, kung.
Speaker 3:Fu Kenny rules. You know what I'm saying. We can't have that bundle talk when it's okay for some people to do it and it be on their numbers, but they don't want to highlight it on somebody else's. We got to be consistent.
Speaker 2:We called it out as well. We called that on Travis Scott before. Remember we were saying how? I remember saying something about when Nicky did it, but I don't remember when Travis I was mentioning it on Travis because remember that second week it was a big decrease.
Speaker 3:I would have bought Travis's album 20 times over if it would have guaranteed me a you know saying that Jumpman Jacks joint. I'm still mad about missing them on sneakers out. By the way, I'm a cop though. Well, absolutely.
Speaker 2:It helps. The Captain Jacks stuff helps, man. All that stuff helps because it gives an extra boost to the pure sales itself. So it gives that extra boost right now. If you look at the numbers right now, it's hard to quantify the numbers, right, right, everything is so jacked up, everything is so like you can't even tell what is what right now. Gns came out. It was a shock drop. If you will, my sneaker has. It was a shock drop, if you will, for my sneaker heads it was a shock drop. Those copies are based on just a reaction.
Speaker 3:320 is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to a reaction.
Speaker 1:No promo, zero promo.
Speaker 3:Well, he had promo, because you can't buy better than promo, than going against Drake and the Beast.
Speaker 1:What are you all expecting next week's numbers to be like? Are you expecting him to do like 150 next week?
Speaker 3:That's going to tell the real story right there. That's correct.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's say just hypothetically, competitively speaking, what if next week he only does 76,000 copies, which would put him at?
Speaker 3:400? That means all the casuals have left the building. I would expect at minimum 50 excuse me, 50 drop in sales minimum. But if you say he only do 70, then that means all the casuals have left the building, only the real is tapping in at that point.
Speaker 1:Right, because I mean, I feel like I'm not even sure, I feel like Mr Morales did like 350?.
Speaker 3:I don't know Somebody in the chat got a fact. Check that one Sure Jar said shout out to Jar.
Speaker 2:Jar said that he's on track to do 160 next week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that would be put it right at 50%, so that's why I expect it. Yeah, the math is math.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but the math is so funny. The math is so funny, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing. You know what I'm saying. I hate it when Jay said that quote men lie, women lie. Women lie numbers, don't Numbers. If you ever taught statistics or did business negotiations on money, numbers can do whatever you make them do. You know what I'm saying. They can dance and do all types of shit, but you gotta know numbers. So they do lie.
Speaker 2:I did 294. Michael Brown said 294 for Mr Morale first week.
Speaker 3:And that was a double album. Double albums got more songs and if you buy physicals they still count twice.
Speaker 1:So let's say realistically his real projections probably no beef, in my opinion is probably more around 200k. That's how I feel.
Speaker 3:But then you got physical sales and streams. It's like impossible to break down what the real numbers are AG when I'm hating.
Speaker 1:don't interrupt when I'm hating.
Speaker 3:It's shit to get know. People are un-stubbing as we speak.
Speaker 1:Sean has been doing it for so many hours.
Speaker 3:It's the same thing. They'll be like yo, we need to get more subs. And then you run off like 200 Kendrick fans. I'm like nigga. They'll be like yo, we need to get more subs. And then you run off like 200 Kendrick fans. I'm like big.
Speaker 2:We love Kendrick. I'm going to the concert.
Speaker 1:I told you I was going to the concert.
Speaker 3:You said two hate, hate, hate. You said two hate, hate, hate Three of them.
Speaker 1:You do with your ticket.
Speaker 3:I'm not getting one. I'm not getting one. I'm not getting one. I'm good You're not even going. I've already seen Kendrick live. I've already seen Kendrick live. You can't talk about my hater behavior.
Speaker 1:I've already seen Kendrick live, I'm good and with my pain, honey, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
Speaker 2:You're right, you got to. I guess you got to keep it across the board.
Speaker 1:Sean better be happy that this isn't happening this year, because me hating at this event could pick me in position to win Hater of the Year with Sean right now.
Speaker 3:You pulling up to the Atlanta show might be worse than Drake pulling up to the Toronto show. It is true.
Speaker 1:That's fast. Drake's definitely going to be at the Toronto show. Don't you think that it's like hold on? Is that petty and intentional that they're trying to pull up to toronto, though, like are they asking?
Speaker 3:100. You know I can't go to vancouver absolutely ottawa. Don't like kendrick and sisa but does vancouver got a stadium? I don't know. I'm asking they should because this is where the blue jays play that they're going to toronto, they're the basketball team.
Speaker 1:They've had that. They have to have some sort of venue that can accommodate.
Speaker 3:Basketball teams play in arenas. They don't play in stadiums.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got the arena out there.
Speaker 1:Well, put the ladies in an arena for a night, that'd be okay.
Speaker 3:Nah, you got to make the statement. It's two totally different things. It's like five times the people in a stadium than what's in an arena.
Speaker 1:I than what's in an arena. I mean judging on these numbers, without talking about Drake. That's what he need to get used to anyway. Go ahead and put him in there.
Speaker 3:All right, he's already did that. You did that. He had the highest grossing tour until Drake and Cole went on tour.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that Yo. Let me ask y'all this, because Joe Budden talked about it a little bit. I think Ice shout out to those guys. They talked about Drake being able to pull off. Can he pull off a stadium? That was one of the questions Can he pull off a stadium? That's ridiculous. The answer is yes, as a solo act. As a solo act, Can he pull off a stadium by himself?
Speaker 1:Are you sure?
Speaker 3:Yes, are you sure yes, now okay. So you're saying not have no opening ad, not just Drake by himself?
Speaker 2:by himself. So.
Speaker 3:I don't think that's fair to even ask you, because Kendrick's not doing that. He got a scissor by his side. I think Drake could take Drake at 21 is not as popular as Drake. I think Drake could take 21 on a stadium tour and be all right. You think you'd say 21? Yeah, 1000 percent.
Speaker 1:I would, I would rather.
Speaker 3:Drake is a pop star. What are y'all talking about? Just because he hasn't did it doesn't mean he can't do it.
Speaker 2:I'm just asking.
Speaker 1:I'm just asking, I don't know, I don't know Stadium stuff you want to know what I think would be really dope at this Drake tour If actually he were to take Wayne and Nicky on tour and bring the Hot boys as the opening act Now.
Speaker 3:That trio could definitely do a stadium If they did a young money reunion tour and a cash money reunion.
Speaker 1:Like, think about it, have the hot boys be the opening act and the hot boys act transition in the Wayne's act. And then you do Nikki, and then with Drake.
Speaker 3:But I really think if that was the tour lineup this is off topic, but I think he would like humble himself and give the headliner to Wayne just who, if it's a hot boys opening and then it's Young Money but Drake's reverence, for, like Wayne and Nattery, you know what I'm saying I think he would give Wayne the spotlight. I think in certain parts, wayne the spotlight on that.
Speaker 1:I think in certain parts of the country he would do that.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. But.
Speaker 1:I think it would be one of those things where Wayne would be up and around all night Before anybody come in.
Speaker 3:Sorry, coop, but before anybody come in to chat. Well, he don't got reverence for Wayne because he smashed his girl.
Speaker 1:I'm just talking about in the hip-hop arena, drake has reverence for playing. Ain't nobody thinking about that that I don't know why people make such a big deal out of that. I mean, like, like in all honesty, like in life and definitely in the city of atlanta, and rap that happens all the time, like literally all the time.
Speaker 3:I don't know that, don't make it right, though I'm not gonna shoot a nobel on that. That shit was bad. It is what it is.
Speaker 1:That shit was foul I mean, I mean, I mean, was it though? I mean, she's just another girl ag but, you knew it was your man's girl, so you know I mean I'm being funny, she's just another girl. I mean she don't want to put herself in the position, is what I'm?
Speaker 3:saying yeah, I mean they all smashing the same chicks anyway, but that's what I'm trying to say but you gotta, you gotta live by certain codes, man. So and yeah, that's that's. That's a cold thing, more than whether she just another girl or not, that's a cold thing.
Speaker 1:I think the record business is a shady business with shady people, so I'm never surprised yeah, we got a super chat imj first super chat from imj. What up? Imj talking about numbers. This is hip-hop. We what up I am Jay talking about numbers. This is hip hop.
Speaker 2:We don't care, agreed. I hate talking about numbers. The numbers are crazy. It's hard to you in this climate of hip hop. Numbers are ridiculous. You can't even talk about it and be truthful about it because so much is going on with the numbers.
Speaker 1:The truth is always going to be in the middle, because it's always like 50 said if you want to just make music for you, then go in your basement and make some tapes and just play them, like for you, like your homies and stuff. It's called the music business for a reason. You are in the business of selling a product. It is an entrepreneurial endeavor, so we can't act like the numbers don't matter. Is it skewed, is it problematic? Is it a never-ending discussion at this rate, how these streams and bundles and packaging and 360, 180, post-fifth, quarter-to-fifth I don't know.
Speaker 3:It's all relevant conversation.
Speaker 1:They're doing more funny stuff with numbers than drug dealers Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Even though you don't care to the Super Chat, thank you for the numbers that matter, which is your Super Chat money. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1:I think that's an excellent way for us to segue to the next thing, which is I mean, I know we've kind of like touched on this briefly, but is this Wheezy and Doc thing happening? Have we heard anything? Are we hearing anything? What are we? I?
Speaker 2:think it's dead. We got some info.
Speaker 1:Good, good.
Speaker 2:I want to see this shit I think it's dead, because as quick as it came up, it went down Pause. That's something crazy, man. That was crazy.
Speaker 1:You made it so far.
Speaker 2:You made it so far. That's what Koot told us last week, remember? He said Shorty was like yo, you better get some of that honey in your system. Koot was like I can't get it, but um, but nah, your sister was like I can't get it.
Speaker 1:But no.
Speaker 2:I think it's not that cool. What bad cool.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'm proud of you. You actually made it Hold on One hour and 44 minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, who put on the Edis to check the time? I'm working on myself, man, no. So here's what I heard, because I'll be back in two weeks. Shout out to my team down there, it's done. Nothing's going to happen unless they try to put the battery in the back when it was actually at its height for a couple of hours, because it was only a couple of hours when it was at its height and they tried to put the battery in the back and they was like, nah, there's no need to engage, there's gonna be careful. I'll say this there might be some subs that may fly here and there, but it won't be anything more than that, unless somebody steps out there, like directly on the land model. But there will be some subs to tee some things up, but nothing is going to be imminent, no time soon.
Speaker 1:Subs are just part of the game. I expect to hear subs from every rapper on your rap album yeah.
Speaker 3:Kendrick loves Wayne. He dedicated a whole album to being inspired I mean not album but mixtape being inspired by Wayne. But he's not above crashing out If Wayne put something out there. And you know, talking to one of my homies, he was saying he think that when Wayne's checker passed it would be too much of an easy target for Kendrick, even more so than Drake. Because you know, you got the, you know the drug abuse and then the whole cause. Kendrick is very much. You know you got the, you know the drug abuse and then the whole, because Kendrick is very much. You know black empowerment pro black this, you know pro black that, and Wayne is on record talking about he don't care about Black Lives Matter and all this stuff or whatever. So you know, the sentiment is that Kendrick would just have a field day with a lot of stuff you could pick apart. You know, with Wayne in the battle and I don't disagree, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, some ammunition can also work to a fault.
Speaker 3:But you know I think Sean told me this, wayne you know, when we talk behind the scenes, wayne is more lauded by the public than Drake is. Drake has a lot of the casual fans but Wayne is, like, really loved by a big contingent of rap fans.
Speaker 1:I have Wayne higher than Drake and Kendrick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, as far as just All time, a lot of people Do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't get it twisted. People had, they had Wayne as their group at one point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, his fanfare is up up there, but a lot of those people abandoned him at some point and I think that has a lot to do with you know where he has so many kids on his tree. They had another version of you know wayne to latch on to like they went to future to get what they needed or whatever, but um, like how about this at this point?
Speaker 1:having rappers like Ice Cube, scarface and Ghostface ahead of Wayne is strictly only about the rap albums that they made and nothing else.
Speaker 3:That is a very valid point.
Speaker 1:That would make him top 10 easy.
Speaker 3:if that's the case, I got him at number 11 currently.
Speaker 1:I think I have him somewhere in that spectrum too AG. I think I have him literally 11, or spectrum too AG. I think I have him like literally 11 or 12.
Speaker 3:But Kendrick is at 10 for me.
Speaker 1:Oh, no See, I have Kendrick like behind him at like 13, 14.
Speaker 3:But still the same.
Speaker 1:Same yeah same yeah.
Speaker 2:That would make it interesting because if they do go out there and step out there which I don't see, it's not going to happen. It changes that dynamic because you still have a Wayne fan base and you also have a Nicki fan base, that ride for Wayne, that Barb team, they would back up Wayne a thousand percent. And again, as we know, social media drives a lot of this. It's not always the music as hip hop heads we, it's not always the music as hip-hop has. We want to talk about the music. Let's get to the bare bones. We don't think, we don't feel that Wayne can hold a candle to Kenny. You saw what he did with Gilly. He couldn't even handle Gilly, right, I don't want to bring that up.
Speaker 3:That's a bad memory.
Speaker 2:It was a bad memory. We've got to face these things right. Coop had to face the reality. Today. He you know what Three Stacks didn't do good for Coop this year. J Cole didn't do good for Coop this year. Kendrick dropped an album of the year, possibly this year and he dropped a disc record and he probably named Coop somewhere in there. So Coop somewhere in there. So Coop having a bad year. Nobody's decoded it yet you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So Coop is having a bad year. Yo, coop's name was on that Scrabble board in the Squabble Up video somewhere it said Colin, up there somewhere.
Speaker 2:It said Coop. It said Coop-op, but we know it means Coop. You know what I mean. You thought it was a video game co-op due to knowledge man.
Speaker 2:So coop is having a bad year, you know I mean he has the armani exchange right and um, he having a bad year, so you got to face your fears. Sometimes that coop is facing his fears. So I say that to say this wayne, but not step on that land, ma, because he don't need to still still love Wayne to a certain degree, right? Yes, no, we still like Wayne. We still love Wayne.
Speaker 1:Still have Wayne and Hendrick. Be no gold chains for you, Sean. This is exactly what I was talking to you about. Be no gold chains for you, no, no, we're going to get you a coffee bud.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 3:Can I ask this question though? Though, if this would pop off, would it be the most the the battle over the most petty thing ever, because it's all predicated on the super bowl halftime show I think all rappers battle over petty things I know, but I can't think of anything more petty that jumped off a battle, then well, it wouldn't solely be the Super Bowl thing, because you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Drake is young money and all that too. So you know if Wayne wanted to stand beside Drake or what have you. But I can't think of any other battle that it was over. Nothing personal, nothing said to one another. It's just that one was unhappy he didn't get something and another person got it and it went from there was unhappy he didn't get something, and then the other person got it and it went from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, there's definitely some of the drink um shrapnel aftermath involved in some of that as well, I think so that's not that's.
Speaker 3:this is not on the docket, but I've seen a mall on royal mall show said that kendra got a lot of pressure on the super bowl halftime because beyonce's performing halftime at uh, christmas Day game. I forget who's playing, but Christmas Day game Beyonce's performing halftime and it's not going to be as many eyes on that game, but just from you know a level of notoriety and her level of performance. Does that put pressure on Kendrick come Super Bowl in February?
Speaker 1:I think those are two separate entities, two separate times and the way the news media cycle works. You know it'll be some fodder, but it'll be brief, it'll be small. Fair yeah, all right, gentlemen, we're about to get out of here soon, but we're going to do what we usually do and we're going to go to our discord dialogue. Discord dialogue winner this week is dj premiere. I'm going to slide it to ag rock and roll a dj premier winner of the discord dialogues.
Speaker 3:If you new to this channel, uh, we have a Discord and every week we nominate multiple people to possibly be a topic on our show and this week it just so happened to be DJ Premier is our winner that got the most votes in our Discord group. What I'll say about DJ Premier? I'm heavily anticipating his album that he's doing with Nas. We might not get it this year, it may happen next year, but uh, coop maintains that it's not happening. But, um, personally for me, I got Premier ranked as number two all time.
Speaker 3:For my producers he has a very signature sound as soon as it comes on. You know it's Primo. Um, some people might hold that against them and say that, um, you know, his range is not as much as some other producers, but it's the age-old question would you rather have range and not have a signature sound or have your own signature sound? And primo sound is very signature. And what's fascinating about that signature?
Speaker 3:He shaped a whole new york hip-hop landscape. He was one of the main architects of that and he wasn't even from new york, he's from texas. So to not be from an area and create the whole sound aesthetic behind that is a pretty amazing feat, and coop has alluded to this quite a few times on our show. That are, you know, trinity of new york hip-hop artists. You know biggie jay-z and nas. However you want to rank them, they're at the top. They all had to come through dj premiere on their debuts in order to create classics and other classics thereafter. So that should say something in and of itself, because his production catalog outside of his group Gangstar is just as classic as his Gangstar production catalog. And that's all I got to say about Premier. Shout out to you DJ Premier.
Speaker 2:Sean you want to take it or you want me to rock.
Speaker 2:No well, said AG. Shout out to the Discord, the Discord. They selected Premier for this week's Discord Dialogues. I'm not going to rehash what AG said. My biggest takeaway is Premier's one of the best when it comes to mixing and scratching on the record Signature sound. He has the New York aesthetic. He helped create the New York aesthetic in the golden era of hip-hop in the 90s for New York aesthetic. He helped create the New York aesthetic and the golden era of hip-hop in the 90s for New York. And, like you said, he's a Texas guy, Midwest guy. He came up top and gave us a foundation to build on in the golden era of hip-hop in New York. So shout out to Preen, Go ahead. Coop.
Speaker 1:After going through his catalog over the last couple days, specifically today, I usually have RZA at number two, but it's just hard to put RZA over preem. When you listen to the array of stuff that he hits you with, it is classic hip hop coming at you. He may, he more than any, he may have given out more hiphop classics than any other rap producer. That might be his biggest claim to fame. Like everybody, from J Ruda Damaja to OC to AD to Rock M Nas, big J Gangstar Group, home Group, home Chub Rock on Crooklyn Dodgers, krs-one, big Daddy Kane, cool G Rap Like I mean this guy's like shit. Christina Aguilera, for God's sake. Limp Bizkit with Method man. He's just, it's just been phenomenal.
Speaker 1:And my biggest takeaway from his career is actually how important Moment of Truth is, because I think making Moment of Truth gives him that manifesto within the framework of his own group that is reflected, production wise, on how truly supremely gifted he is. He needs an album, production-wise, that rivals the Chronic and Doggy style and Liquid Swords and the Purple Tape, and Moment of Truth is that and is viable in that context to me, as far as the production sequencing and just the beats themselves and mcs wanting to rap over them. I mean you. I tell people all the time. I mean, think about this.
Speaker 1:It's like what is a biggie jay-z or nas greatest 20 songs without dj premiere? Well, you're missing about three to six songs on each guy's top 20 list. Yep, easy, like Easy. What is Jay's catalog without a million and one questions and the evils? What is Nas' catalog without New York State of Mind and Nas' like? What is Biggie's catalog like without kicking the door in the 10 Crack Commandments? I don't believe it. Think about it. Think about how impactful he is just for those guys' greatest hits catalog. Take him out of their greatest hits catalog. Their greatest hits catalog isn't as strong.
Speaker 1:It's a little different, so he's a little different and we're going to go slide into our press play as we get out of here, which is actually all DJ Premier tracks. I like to start with my favorite record, for my favorite intro of all time Off Gang Stars Out Moment of Truth, which is, you Know, my Steez DJ Premier.
Speaker 3:Oh, hold on real quick, Coop. Do you want to tell them that the challenge we put against ourselves when we created this press play?
Speaker 1:You want to know what. Thank you, ag, for reminding me of that. So with these press plays that AG and Sean and I did, we intentionally said no Jay-Z, biggie or Nas records because we really wanted the production of DJ Premiere to be the thing and not it become a conversation about how Nas, jay and Big skated on Preem's shit. We wanted to make it about Preem. We felt the best way to make it about preem was to kind of leave, uh, that little holy trinity out of the fray this time around. So we made a concentrated effort to do that. Now, I believe at number two sean, you can put that up for me right quick. I believe I had group home living proof. A lot of people feel like beat wise, this actual whole album might be his best production job. I do think the beats on um moment of truth are better, but this is his second best collection of beats.
Speaker 3:A lot of people say that that um group homes album is the best. I agree with you, though, Group moment yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, moment of truth is the best, but I would have loved to heard OC or JRU on these beats over Group Home around this time. I think having OC or JRU maybe both for one album would have impacted New York culture and hip hop totally differently, because these beats on here are stellar, and hip-hop totally differently, because these beats on here are stellar. They are rappers, rappers, selections of beats, and the song Living Proof is living proof of that Roll tape. Next, next, I actually yeah, this was a last-minute addition by me. This was totally random.
Speaker 1:This record came on while I was in the car today getting my daughter's car cleaned and when it came on and the drop just came through, I was just like I can't. This is Big L and Big Daddy Kane. My takeaway from this record was that it would have been so interesting. You know Big L and Jay had a lot of the same strengths and deficiencies, voice being one of them. I noticed that I would have loved to seen how L would have performed and what type of songs he would have made had he lived over time to put himself in that upper echelon, because when Kane comes in his voice, the gravitas that is Kane kind of takes over the record and it makes me wonder about what a Big L would have done in prime time against Kane. But a wonderful record, one of my favorite primo beats, one of my favorite Kane verses, uh, the best record on Big L's posthumous project, the the big picture, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Next, ah, this is a real gym. Clap your hands, everybody, if you got what it takes. I'm KRS and I'm on the mic and premieres on the break. That's the first time. That's when I found out who DJ premier was. I didn't know who dj premiere was until krs actually said it on mc's act like they don't know this is my favorite krs, one song of all time, is it?
Speaker 3:it's it's top, it's top 10 in my opinion, and I think that's saying a lot because he has a top five catalog I almost picked it for myself, but you know I'm glad you got it for yours, coop, and that's it's getting mentioned because I left it off myself. But you know I'm glad you got it for yours, coop, and that's it's getting mentioned Because I left it off mine. But this, this deserves to be On our list.
Speaker 1:I was trying to decide Between this one and rappers are in danger, and this beats just better, it is.
Speaker 3:And not only it now. Now, not only is it One of my favorite um, it's my favorite KRS song. I think you Could argue that this is the top 15, is premier beat. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I think you could argue that this is the top 15 is premier B.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, it's crazy Top 10 to 15.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When I talk about KRS one's catalog. No, this KRS one album is great. It is. Oh yeah, mcs act like they don't know. Rappers are in danger. That's what I'm saying. It's like if you go look at those four Boogie Down Productions albums and then you look at Return of the Boom Bap, and then you look at KRS-One, the album, this album, and then I Got Next which isn't as good, oh no, there's only literally a handful of guys walking around with six or seven projects as good as KRS-One Like literally handful, like we talk about that, and you know I don't sing KRS-One's praises but you spitting all facts right now.
Speaker 3:I got to be objective.
Speaker 1:I mean the only guys that are walking around with records this good like as far as full albums, are Nas, jay, scarface, ghostface, like those guys. Are the guys walking around with those projects? Like as far as the quality of the level and the classic nature of the songs that are within the framework of the album? I see CJ the Kid right quick with a super chat. Joe Button said Wayne went into the booth. We'll see if that holds. Cj yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah.
Speaker 1:J Rue the Damager, come Clean. This is the record that the Griselda sound was inspired by. In my opinion, this is that slow draw, heavy metal, boom, bap definition. This is 1992-93 east coast hip hop at its finest. J Rue's off kilter, off meter flow fits perfectly with the rhythmic slow timing of this beat. It is a masterpiece. It is a hip-hop classic. Uh, if some said it was a top 50 hip-hop song, I would not necessarily argue talking about the water drip sound.
Speaker 3:The water blew your mind first time you heard it. Man, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's what I mean. So this is before he had an identifiable sound. So you really don't know that this is Preem until later. Good point, very good point. Come Clean doesn't have a DJ Premier sound. That's what I mean. That DJ Premier sound people talk about it really didn't happen until 95. Memory Lane doesn't sound like DJ Premiere. New York State of Mind doesn't sound like DJ Premiere. Represent even Unbelievable.
Speaker 3:Unbelievable is kind of where it starts. Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I might say that sound started a little bit earlier, but I see where you're going.
Speaker 2:That's smart.
Speaker 1:You hear flashes of it, but it doesn't become that sound really until 95, in my opinion. Yeah, so next record Cool G Rap, first nigga remix. This is a really really really really really, really, really slept on DJj premiere produce record. It is yeah, this is actually. This is actually, in my opinion, a top 20 cool g rap record. Actually in my opinion.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say maybe I don't think it's top 10, but I do think it's top 20 yeah, yeah yeah, and I wanted to pick, pick a DJ Premier record that I felt like maybe some people or the casual person that may catch our podcast isn't up on, and this is the one that I would want them to catch. This is a straight from DJ Premier that I want you to catch. This is one of those goat talk records where it's like man, he did stuff like that that people ain't even really like, you know, ain't even heard. Like that, this great, like he's been great for a long time. And, last but not least, people forget Mash Out Posse, stick to your guns, which, by the way, has Cool G rap on it.
Speaker 1:People forget this is what I'm saying about Prem. Oh no, he produced Fire and Squad. He produced a few projects for MOPay, ru, the gangstar projects, being part of the biggie jay and naz projects. Preem, preem put in about as much work inside and outside his group as anybody that you could think of, and the thing that I really like about him and moment of truth is that proof positive to Well, go listen to the beats that he handed to everybody in 96 and 97. They're not as good as the beats on Moment of Truth, even for as great. I want you to think about this. Even for as great as you think some of that stuff is, think about the evils. Bring it on Friend or foe. I gave you power. Oh, those beats aren't good enough to make moment of truth.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, it was more so what the MCs was doing on the beats.
Speaker 1:Those beats beat wise, aren't good enough to make moment of truth. The rappers made those records, but he held his special stuff in the tuck for his right hand man and I respect that, as he should have. Havoc was very good about doing that for for for prodigy too, because, as much as I love the setup and live nigga rap, it's like you heard the beats on hell on earth, right same year, right same year, right. So shout out the preem. I'm gonna let y'all rock with y'all. Preem list AG go.
Speaker 3:All right, Like you said in the beginning, we wanted to limit ourselves by not picking Jay-Z, Big and Nas records. I also wanted to limit myself to a degree outside of the Gangstar catalog, but I wanted to make sure I had one track from the Gangstar catalog. But I wanted to make sure I had one track from the Gangstar catalog and I think you did the same Coop, right.
Speaker 1:That was intentional by me too. I wanted to do one song from the Gangstar catalog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we was thinking on the same wavelength. So I picked Above the Clouds, which happens to be my all-time favorite premiere beat, number one for me and love this record and the Inspector Deck feature. It's one of my favorite deck verses ever and that's saying something, because he got so many on. Just, you know all the Woo projects, but hearing him over DJ Premiere production and what he did on this track was just, it's just, it's heavenly. It's saying it in the track above the clouds, it's a heavenly track, man, I love this record. Uh, coop said it a lot of times moment of truth, I think, is their best album bar none. Um, hard to earn is a close second, but moment of truth is where everything really comes together flawlessly and, uh, this is my favorite record off that. So, um, next I got the enemy by big l featuring, uh, fat joe off the big picture and, man, listen, this track is so mean, sinister, you know it's just like. This is the soundtrack you put on if you're walking somebody down, like you know what I'm saying, like I'm gonna be dead ass, like this, this track, that gives you that feeling, man. And then you know Big L and Fat Joe with the bars, it just, you know there's a. It's a flawless track. You know, shout out to Eppens man. I told you I was gonna represent Big L on my list. So yeah, you know, big L, he got some classics over Premiere Productions. So the enemy's on my list, um.
Speaker 3:Next up, I got none of y'all better, which is jada kiss featuring the locks on his almost classic uh kiss the game, goodbye album. I think this is another, you know, dark beat. You know what I mean. It's in premiere's wheelhouse but it's perfectly fitting for the locks. A lot of times people reference, recognize for um premiere with you know linking, fitting for the locks. A lot of times people reference, recognize for Premier with you know, linking up with the locks. But to me that doesn't hold a candle to this record. It's one of the standouts of Kiss the Game, goodbye From Me. And it might have my favorite, one of my favorite intros all the time to a record you know, where Styles P said we like the Holy Trinity, we like three guns. Three guns, he said, get shot three different ways, matter of fact, six different ways, got any champ bitch. So you know, stylespy is wild man.
Speaker 1:I love that record man, I think none of y'all better sounds, better than recognize, because locks do and dreary better than they do that yes a beat oh, absolutely, but it don't get referenced near as much as Recognize, which blows my mind. I think Recognize has more of that Premiere sound that's more notarized for that era.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, very true, very true. Next, coop already had this one on his list. Another Big L classic over a Premiere beat. Love this beat. I love the energy on this record. But my god, that big daddy kane feature. Like yo in real time. When I heard this I was amazed, like yo kane, because, like I said, rappers were on running back years. So when I heard this feature I was like, oh shit, kane still got it. Like he might have out rap l on this. Like that's what I was thinking. Yeah, he really did and that's what I was thinking in real time. Like punch lines was crazy, flow was in pocket.
Speaker 1:That like big daddy came when he said when I come through, flip it with the chicken and broccoli tims.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean yeah, and then just to end it, the way that he ended it was, you know, the way he ended the verse with a cough and like part of my fucking sick with it. It's almost as dope as how he ended the symphony. To me, like you know what I'm saying, it's very, very symphony-like. It's like you know shout out to Kane.
Speaker 1:When he said I'm going to put it in your chest like a Stockton pass, I was like yo.
Speaker 3:Crazy, Crazy, Crazy, crazy. And the beat is hanging right with them with the bars. But love that record. And we just talked about Kane. So getting to another rapper of that era, that's an all-time great. Who is Kane's counterpart? I'm going to go with Rakim when I be on the mic Now. Yes, love this record?
Speaker 1:Why did you pick this over? It's Been a Long Time you like this over. It's Been a Long Time I do.
Speaker 3:I really do him, rock him sounds great over premiere production and I'm gonna just be honest, this met the master album was pretty bad and it wasn't a good album but but this was one saving grace on the album. I loved it.
Speaker 1:I love this record I'm about three records on that album.
Speaker 3:This is one of them yeah, and rock him is floating on it and rock him was in a different pocket on this, like the bounce that the track has, rakim is really in his like slick talk back. If you listen to the lyrics and, like you know, I just love what Rakim's doing on the track. You know Braggadocio, you know he's going off and I do like it over it. It's been a long time, although that is a great track as well. So like it over. It's been a long time, although that is a great track as well. So then next I got the format by my man, az. Uh, one thing about it coop um had the come up on another press play like a week or two ago, and this time too right right now.
Speaker 3:I didn't choose it either, but the reason why I wanted to highlight the format was because you know we're getting ready to get a Nas and Premier album. But I wouldn't mind an AZ and Premier EP because if you think of AZ's track record over Premier Beats, you got the come up the format, what he did on the Lady remix with D'Angelo, the way he slid on that, Listen.
Speaker 1:I'll take a five piece. I'll take a five piece from. I'll take a five-piece from.
Speaker 3:A&P and Pring man listen. Yeah, that's on my wish list at some point, you know, after he released it with Nas yo AZ. If you're listening, go tap in with Primo for about, you know, a five-joint EP. Would love to hear that. So, and people sleep on that in that my Lady remix. You know what I'm saying? Like that joint's crazy. I almost put it on my list. I almost put it on my list but I didn't.
Speaker 1:You want to know what A really killed the Monifa. I missed your remix.
Speaker 3:Mm sure did Yep.
Speaker 1:Check the gold cellar, the Rockefeller with the mozzarella. The.
Speaker 3:Never, nots. Cheddar trying to have this lock forever. That whole era was fly, but I digress, remix game was great.
Speaker 1:Ask R Kelly.
Speaker 3:Right, whoa hold on. You got me agreeing with Wouse, got you?
Speaker 1:Happen fast, happen fast.
Speaker 3:That's the girl. For my last song I got Boom by Royce of Five Nine off the Rock City album. This is one of Premiere's best beats to me. You know the ticking of the clock in the beat and then the Lady of Rage sample in there. Flawless Chef's kiss and the chemistry that they exhibited on this. For their first time, collabing would come to fruition with two full-length projects. You know Prom 1 and Prom 2, which the first one I considered, you know Prime 1 and Prime 2, which the first one I considered, you know, close to being a classic, and the second one is solid as well. So you know this was the beginning of that relationship, man, and shout out to Royce the Five Nine, one of my favorite MCs. Blue Pace sent him to the shadow realm, but I still rock with Royce though the upside down of stranger things, but this is the record.
Speaker 1:He's in the upside down. Right now we need to go find right, but this was the record that made me a fan, though I was like I was like oh roy sound like this over preem. I'm like yeah go ahead and stamp him, so this was his stamp moment.
Speaker 3:For me, this was his like hip-hop approval yeah, he sounded natural with preem, which is no surprise why they ended up making two full-length projects together.
Speaker 1:That's how you knew he was a real MC too. It's like well he's sliding over Prime-Preme. Prime-preme, I think, for us, is like 94 to 02, and it's just like what 98, 99?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I'm going to tell you one thing. Word is, they have been working low-key on Prime 3 a little bit here and there. If there's no Eminem feature on Prime 3 over Preem beat, I'm going to be pissed.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Nah, for real man. We need that man. We need him over Preem beat. I'm going to just put that out there.
Speaker 2:We can do it out. So I had an idea what you guys were going to go with. I know you guys were going to go nostalgic with Preem. I wanted to be a little bit more unorthodox in my approach to the Preem records so I wanted to kick mine off with the game Born in a Trap.
Speaker 1:You're always trying to make yourself so special. You get on my nerves. No man, you want to know what I want to be a little different.
Speaker 3:I had an idea where you guys were going to go with it before you sent your list over. No, you didn't. You act like you was clairvoyant with it. We sent you to our little list. You saw where we was going.
Speaker 1:We had to send you a list. We had to send you a list. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, I want to represent the West Coast first and foremost. I was thinking about that one with Snoop in Premiere or the one with Lady Rage in Premiere, but I wanted to do it again because I always thought Born to Trout was a dope record from Premiere and Game. Wish they did some more.
Speaker 3:And this album is slept on low key, right? You know what I'm saying? People sleep on the red album, very slept on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I also wanted to go with J Rue to damage it. You're playing yourself. This was one of the joints right here that started the whole beef with Big right and I felt like this was one of the ones that J Rue was actually really trying to put himself in position to be one of those out of New York Again. The fact that Pre-Med was able to do this but also still rock with Big and still be in that whole circle and always be neutral Even Big threw a shot at Pre-Med. You know what I mean. On kicking the door.
Speaker 1:On kicking the door, that wasn't a Preem shot. You think that was a Preem shot.
Speaker 3:He's a Preem setting himself. I'm surprised he run with them. I heard they got you know what I'm saying. Like said it himself. I'm surprised you run with them. I heard they got you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that was for him Like saying yo, how?
Speaker 2:you chilling with them over there. Yeah, that was Supreme, that was Supreme.
Speaker 3:Nas Supreme Jay. We went at everybody on that record.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite big record. Everybody called us straight.
Speaker 3:And I was low-key mad that I set a standard for myself to not be able to use that, because that's my favorite big record of all time.
Speaker 1:It's real, for sure I remember where I was the first time I heard Kick in the Door.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, as do we all and I wasn't digging a crate on this one. I want to go with Sour Face featuring Red Dead. Let it all.
Speaker 1:That was one of them joints Sour Face featuring Red Dead. Let it Off. That was one of them, joints Sour.
Speaker 2:Face is ridiculous, look man 4.25, 4.25.
Speaker 3:They don't get brought up enough. They put out dope stuff.
Speaker 2:Dope stuff.
Speaker 1:They're more of a hip hop group than Run the Jewels are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a good point. That goes back to the jewels are. Yeah, that's a good point. That goes back to the niche conversation though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Absolutely. I also want to represent CNN Invincible. I think this was the best song on that album on the reunion album. Horn just got back home.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Bandmate was dope too, but this was the one. I felt like the In man babe was dope too. Man babe was dope, but this was the one. This right, I felt like I felt like the invincible was the one, though I felt like this was was the one, and I really wanted to go with that and phone home, what, what was it phone home that was on on the first one.
Speaker 1:That was on um no, no, no not, not, not, not, not capone, hold on. What was the? What was the first single? Remember? The first single was like um, they was talking, like Capone was still locked up and no where he was on the outside, and they was going back and forth. Remember that joint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was. They had the video for that one too, yeah. That was the first thing.
Speaker 3:That was the first thing. It wasn't.
Speaker 1:I thought that was the B-side single.
Speaker 3:He's like we gon' thug this shit when Fox is taking it. Bang Bang was my second favorite on there. Invincible hands down was my first.
Speaker 1:Fox gave Kim some body blows on there. Yeah, she gave us some hell on that. There's some work on there.
Speaker 2:For sure my next one Digging the Crate Black Poet I don't know if y'all remember Black Poet from Screwball. Yo Queensbridge, queensbridge, fine, shout out to Black Poet. But the only reason I love this joint was because I remember when Black Poet actually dropped it, nas had loved this song. He actually did a freestyle to bang this instrumental. He did a freestyle to this and I've always thought this was one of Cream's most slept on beats on Bang. This Loved his joint. He went crazy on the beat on this joint. My next one West Side Guns Sean versus Flair. I don't know why you guys left this one out. I don't know why y'all left this one out.
Speaker 1:It's one of his better modern day beats.
Speaker 2:It is. Yeah, it is, it is. And that's why I wanted to represent this one, because we always felt that, like you said I think you said what 02, 01, maybe 02, maybe 03-ish Preem kind of lost a little bit of that extra spark that he had, because after that he was kind of like a hit or miss or kind of recycled type stuff.
Speaker 1:If you really want to know the truth, this is where we need to start considering it too. He had a longer run than most of his contemporaries in terms of his peak. His peak is longer than Q-Tips. It's longer than Large Pros. It's longer than Pete Rocks. In a lot of ways, it's longer than Dre's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as long as Pete Rocks. In a lot of ways it's longer than Dre's?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he did so much.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, he did more work than Dre did. He was doing four albums. He was doing four albums. He was doing Lucy's. He was doing a lot.
Speaker 1:He was doing a lot he did two JRu albums, an OC album, three MOP albums the five. Gangstar albums, the contributions to everybody else's albums.
Speaker 2:He was doing a lot man.
Speaker 3:This is up there with my. You know, like you said for a modern joint, but the one that I would put above this is the joint on Ab Soul's last album, herbert. What's?
Speaker 1:the Rome joint.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I forget the name of it. I know what you're talking about. Cream got a handful of dope modern joints.
Speaker 1:That might be the best modern beat he's done is the Rome joint.
Speaker 3:He got some joints.
Speaker 2:He got some joints and my last one, fat Joe, that white Hard record, oh, my goodness, oh my, goodness, oh my goodness, one thing I can say about Fat Joe in his run. He never failed with production.
Speaker 3:One of the best years.
Speaker 1:I just want to get something clear. Yeah, you love Fat Joe, but you hate Rick Ross.
Speaker 2:I don't hate Rick Ross Ross. I don't hate Rick Ross. I don't like what Rick Ross has done. You said that with a straight face you see how he tried. I don't hate Rick Ross. I just don't like the way he handled things with this whole Drake stuff, kendrick stuff.
Speaker 1:He shouldn't implement himself into that do we not have tape and footage of this man being disrespectful to Rick Ross before the scene started?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Don't use the thief as an excuse about the disrespectful. I don't like his antics. I don't like his antics.
Speaker 1:Because you don't like Rick Ross.
Speaker 3:Jopra got some antics too.
Speaker 2:I see what Coop's getting at. Jopra has some antics, but not like Ross Fair. He's just done some funny stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't know I don't know that sounds a little New York biased. Corona Queen, Nah Cool.
Speaker 2:You got to admit he do some funny stuff. He taught himself in the third post, joe, don't do funny stuff, joe, he does Rosé, rosé. Come on of his stuff, y'all.
Speaker 3:He does.
Speaker 1:Rosé, rosé. What's the difference between Fat?
Speaker 3:Joe and Rosé at this point.
Speaker 1:It's not much. I'm trying to have a bottle of Bel-Air too.
Speaker 2:It's not. Some say the pickle better keep coming If you don't show Joe all this love.
Speaker 1:You be showing Joe a lot of love and you should just think about maybe showing Rosé. Some love Rosé.
Speaker 3:Nah, but this is a hard Pat Jones song.
Speaker 2:This joint goes I didn't want to do two Joe joints because I really wanted to do I'm Gone, because he had that on the Dark Side album with Primo. I wanted to do that one as well, but I felt like that white was the one, that white is the one and I really want to represent that as well.
Speaker 1:You think it's better than that gangster shit off.
Speaker 2:Don Carter Jalen. I think so. I think so. That white beat is crazy man.
Speaker 3:I don't know. That's a close one.
Speaker 2:Go back and listen to that white. Go back and listen to that.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing. Think about this we just came up with 21 songs, but we probably named about another 21 to 25 songs.
Speaker 3:Just in conversation. Yeah, and that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 1:And that's without us really bringing up the J Big and Nas song.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying he was working.
Speaker 1:You know, when he says he's the top three producer, all the time it's like you want to know what he is.
Speaker 3:I have number two behind RZA, and that's only because of RZA's run. It was so dynamic.
Speaker 1:I think I might have to put him at two ahead of RZA and slide RZA to three is what my thought was today.
Speaker 3:I won't do it. I'm not mad at them being interchangeable, I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1:but we just came up with a. So we're clear Kanye's not in the top three then. Kanye's not in the top three then.
Speaker 2:Whew, I don't know, kanye might be Dre Rizaprene.
Speaker 3:I don't have Dre at number one because there's too many question marks behind this production.
Speaker 1:But still Dre Rizaprene like one, two, three, three. Two one, two, three.
Speaker 3:I got Kanye at four. I got Kanye at four, like I got Kanye at four, I got.
Speaker 1:Kanye at four, like I said, not top three, though right Dre, rza Premium is top three still, right, right, cool, yeah, so Ye's four at most.
Speaker 2:I put Ye at four.
Speaker 1:I put Ye at four.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ye's trajectory looks like he was getting ready to pass everybody.
Speaker 1:But we'll see how that's gone.
Speaker 3:It leveled up. Yeah, it balanced itself out Real quick, though we just came out with a fire playlist 21 tracks. You know what I'm saying for DJ Premier. So those of you who are not familiar with DJ Premier's work that are watching run this playlist when we put it up. But I want to just brag on myself for a little bit before we get off here. You know what I'm saying. You're going to call me a stand coop, but when we did our spotify rap, when it told us the most songs listened to, actually my number one song for 2024 was define my name. So shout out to premiere for that record. You know I'm saying streamed it 52 times. I think it said so. My number one stream song for 2024. I know you hate on that song, coop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just okay. It better not be on the album.
Speaker 2:And I haven't done my.
Speaker 1:Spotify Raptor, my Apple Music or my YouTube music playlist yet, but I will. But I have a good idea about the stuff that I have listened to this year, so I imagine that I'll be seeing some usual suspects.
Speaker 3:Family Matters is going to be your number one joint. I'm pretty sure no.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure. No, it didn't play, it's a get-em-go record. I'll tell you what a record I did play. I played Wise Up, a lot, common and Pete Rock. Wise Up got a lot of play this year.
Speaker 3:Wise Up is crazy Wise.
Speaker 1:Up is really good. Wise Up got a lot of play this year. We'll see what my list is looking like, sean. So we'll see what my list is looking like. Sean's list has everything but J on it I'm pretty certain.
Speaker 2:So we know how that is, j's my number three.
Speaker 3:J's my number three I got to see like picture evidence of that, I put it in Discord. Oh, did you, Okay, okay. Definitely want evidence. All right J rude or damager. Right J old felony.
Speaker 2:That dude's crazy J Rude a damager Right J O Felony, that dude's crazy man, Not Jay-Z.
Speaker 1:You shouldn't be talking about Jay-Z. All right, fellas, it's time to get out of here. I got to go.
Speaker 2:Yo fellas, appreciate y'all. Thank you for the chat on Discord Dialogues. Shout out to the Discord. Follow us on HipHopTalks1, twitter, facebook, discord, youtube, like, subscribe. Share all that good stuff. Peace we out. Trio Gold Shop. Trio Gold Shop Everything's in the chat.
Speaker 3:Peace y'all.