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Kendrick Lamar - GNX - Reactions & Review - Brunch on Sundays (Evening Edition)
Picture this: a Sunday evening filled with laughter, breakfast for dinner, and a heartfelt celebration of personal milestones. This episode of Hip Hop Talks has us sharing the joys and challenges of life, from getting off probation to welcoming Andrew into our team and appreciating Taj's valuable insights. As we bask in this camaraderie, Sean takes charge, steering us through the buzz surrounding Kendrick Lamar's surprise album release. We break down the essence of its relaxed West Coast vibe and compare it to Kendrick's previous conceptual masterpieces, pondering where it stands in the pantheon of hip-hop greatness.
Our spirited discourse doesn't stop there; we tackle the intricacies of Kendrick’s lyrical prowess, drawing comparisons with J. Cole and reflecting on his nods to rap legends like Nas, Biggie, and Tupac. Listener interactions bring an extra layer to our conversation, with discussions ranging from Lil Wayne's controversies to Kendrick's artistic evolution. We question whether his recent work marks a deliberate shift away from the deep concepts of his earlier albums or signals a change in his creative process. Through this lens, we explore standout tracks, debate Kendrick's all-time ranking, and consider the pressures of maintaining a legacy in the industry.
Join us as we explore the broader implications of Kendrick's five-year hiatus on his career trajectory and how it resonates within the hip-hop community. We dive into the challenges artists face as they evolve, balancing fan expectations with personal growth. Whether dissecting the cultural impact of new music releases or debating album rankings, this episode promises a rich tapestry of insights and opinions. From discussions of artistic versatility to reflections on the evolving West Coast scene, you're in for an engaging and thought-provoking experience.
Outro Music Yo Fresh on Sunday night Special chicken and waffles for dinner, hell yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is one of those breakfast for dinner type joints. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Don't act like you never had your little bacon and scrambled eggs with cheese at midnight. It's the best one. Set it off with a little toasted bread, slap it all. Make a sandwich out of it. Slap it all together. What up, everybody? This is Hip Hop Talks. You're obviously seeing us on Sunday night, so that means something special is going on. Something special has occurred. Sean AG, kendrick Lamar, you know, snuck through the back door again. Pause that was wild.
Speaker 3:You want to know what can we hit the reset button and start over.
Speaker 1:I'd just like to apologize. I don't want to activate Sean on any sort of level. On any sort of level. I don't want to activate Sean, but, no, no, let's pay some. It's the day he has made. Let's pay some dues, right, quick, make sure you click like, share and subscribe to the page. Our growth, gentlemen, over the last two weeks has been so much, and it's such that YouTube and StreamYard actually shut us down to check to see if the followers we had just acquired were real. It's very real. We're almost hitting that 100% clip. Almost every person who likes us and follows us watches us, so you should roll with the winners. This is the moment we've all been waiting for.
Speaker 1:I know people want to hear my takes on a couple things, but I'd actually like to start off with a couple personal things, if I may. Yeah, get off probation tomorrow. Now I was arrested for something that I definitely didn't do and I still claim that to this day. You can Google what happened. I don't mind people knowing, but if people really want to know, my departure from the former podcast actually had to do with them knowing about my personal situation and then choosing to do shows without me knowing what I was personally going through. When I came to you, gentlemen, and shared the same things with you, first thing you all said to me is, like well, let's just work around all that shit, let's go get it, and that's what a team should do. So I actually really want to thank you guys for holding me down this year, because all I was really looking for was a real team to hold me down, and you guys are it. You guys have done it and now literally the shackles will be off of me tomorrow morning, effective pretty much 8 am, when the courthouse opens, and I just wanted to like share that with everybody and thank you guys for like really holding me down, really being a positive influence, making me laugh and enjoy hip hop again, and it's really been a blessing that this has all come together.
Speaker 1:Inviting Andrew to the party that is the number one thing that I'm thankful for, because I had been telling other people for years like that's my guy and we need to use him because he's talented and he's gifted, and I think you all are seeing that. Shout out to Andrew, shout out to Taj. She's the one that actually called all this from the jump. She's like something ain't right. You need to find out what it is. And happy to be here, because now we're at this moment and it's Sunday night, and I'm pretty certain that most of the people in this space are tuned in to hear what the three of us have to say. So, with that being said, I want to thank you guys, say salute, sean. Kick it over to you. Can't hear Sean, sean unmute.
Speaker 5:Unmute my Gmute, my G.
Speaker 1:My bad my bad.
Speaker 5:Yo, that was such a cool, but we don't care. We want to talk about this Kendrick stuff. I'm kidding. No, that's the shit. I expect you to say. It's OK, that's the shit I expect you to say. I got to stay on brand. I got to stay on brand. No, yo, for real. Thank you all for popping in. We see some new faces in the chat tonight, or some new voices in the chat tonight, so we appreciate that. Like, subscribe, share, blah, blah, blah blah. Let's get into the talk. Ag, what's?
Speaker 3:good, what's up? Man Got a surprise drop on Friday morning. You know what I'm saying. We was not expecting this. A lot of people were saying, to cap off the year for what was already a stellar year and already a MVP, pretty much sewn up in the books, needed an album to go with it. And Kendrick delivered that in surprise fashion. You know he didn't need any rollout or any promo. That was already there, being the events that happened prior to this. So we got a surprise drop.
Speaker 3:I was at work, you know, doing my one two at work, and Sean hit me on the text like yo, gentlemen, like it's something, something that's dropped, that we're going to have to talk about, and it was Kendrick's album. And, uh, you know, ended up right about an hour after that, going on my lunch break. The album was about 44 or 45 minutes, which was perfect, short and sweet. I was able to digest the full album, one run through on my lunch break, from start to finish, and then later on that evening I probably listened to it maybe about three or four more times throughout, you know, running around that evening. So, yeah, it was, it was exciting. Twitter was on fire and our group chat was on fire it was.
Speaker 3:It was a lot going on and, um, you know, a lot of times we want to rush to the scene, to hurry up and be first at something you know and have a knee jerk reaction to something you know what I mean Just to kind of get our thoughts and opinions out there. But, um, our schedules didn't align where we could do that. And here we are now on Sunday, a couple of days later, but that's fortunate because you know, we get time to really soak it in and then, you know, give an in-depth analysis, you know, with doing the, taking time to do our due diligence, to listen to it, and we can have a better informed opinion on the things that took place over the past couple days. It's not all about being the first, it's about being the best at it. We provide that here at Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 1:That's how you start Tired of these niggas showing up all early to do a show. Come to Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 3:Get my Su sugar. Knight on Exciting man.
Speaker 5:Exciting moment Three super chats, real quick, ag. I want you to tell us what you feel about the album, for sure.
Speaker 1:I got your super chats $199. Queens get the money. Kenny gets a B Solid showing after a battle. Mad Max when Coop and I agree it must be divine intervention. That's facts. Or it could be Lucifer, you never know. He's an op. He'd be listening, taking pictures. Devil is an op. Devil's the biggest op. Got legions of ops 88. Spencer with the $10 hollow Hitting the movie with the wife. Have a dope show. I mean you know it's on YouTube so you can always spend the block.
Speaker 3:Have fun with your business.
Speaker 1:Tracy G what up $5. Cat. This album was hot garbage and it's confirmed. My ears are no longer made for Kenny, but that Freddie Gibbs fire. I agree with that. Freddie Gibbs fire Real quick. Not to cut it short, does Freddie Gibbs still have an album of the year after the Kendrick release, gentlemen?
Speaker 3:That's a perfect transition to what I was going to say, tracy, because I love this album personally, but it still isn't my album of the year. I still got Freddie in that number one spot. I really like this, I mean, but I really like this album. But I will say out the gate that I'm not jumping out the window and saying this is album of the year pray tell, do tell, go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 3:You're on fire, keep going, love this enjoying every second of it so for this album, though, the thing that I noticed off rip, you know what I mean, and I'm not going to go track for track, but the feel of the intro. The feel of the intro, that's important to set the tone of a record. So once I put the intro on in the whip and he addressed everything that he addressed from, you know, the wayne super bowl thing, shouted out nas for congratulating him to snoop and taylor, made stuff great cole. He addressed it all out the gate and did it in appropriate fashion. Where I don't think nothing was really a diss is just letting them know where, letting us know where he is mentally with the whole scene at this time, and I think it was. It was a dope track for intro and um going throughout the album. One thing I noticed is he kept it real west coast and real bobby, and I appreciated that.
Speaker 3:Now a lot of people might say that these sounds like yo shout out to my homie trife. He's saying like he has a bunch of remixes of Not Like Us on the album, but the thing about that is, though, you know, two of the joints he got with Mustard, the hey Now and then the TV Off. We don't know if these were, if these records were conceived before Not Like Us, because sometimes when you're in the rhythm as an artist you might be in a certain bag and maybe that not like us song was birthed from those sessions and he was already in that bag we don't know, but just from the fans getting that later after the fact it looks like he's trying to recreate not like us. But even if that's the case, I can't be mad at that because ride the wave, ride it till the wheels fall off. And if you want to keep the wave going, do it with a song, with some songs on their own merit, and not have to link it back, you know, to the song that it came from, which is a diss song.
Speaker 3:Keep that same vibe and everything going. Keep that hyphy movement going. So conceptual records. Once I know he had he had some hooks in here. You know we talked about this on the corday album, um, with the nostalgia bait, but I mean it was hook, line and secret for me, like man at the garden, the interpolation on one mic. I'm a fan, you know. I'm saying right out the gate love that record hold on ag.
Speaker 1:Let me get to a couple of super chats. I don't want them to slide too okay go ahead.
Speaker 1:You're coming in. Yo, thanks, no, no, no problem. Ill magic with the five dollar g and x is not album of the year. Rhapsody still has that. It's a fun ride west coast album, but it's not a classic. Mad max 199 who is he to be addressing Snoop in life, though? What's up, mad Max? You want to know what? Mad Max, I'm going to tolerate you today. You know we're going to see if we can't work it out. It's getting close to 2025, max. The coaching session of our relationship is over. It's time for you to start showing improvement. Mad Max, with the 199 Super Chat once again. And Swifty Producers Executive produced the LP. We are going to talk about that. We're going to talk about that. Mad Max 199 again, I see it's about to be a Mad Max kind of show. Go read the first verse on Peekaboo Horrible Bars. Yeah, we're going to talk about Peekaboo too. Peekaboo. How about Hideaway? Like hide this, track away. But anyway, ag back to you, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we're talking about the ones I love. I'll get to the ones that I would skip here in a second. But also Reincarnated, probably the best on the album. It's ironic because, coop, if you remember, if you remember, if you remember a couple weeks ago, it might be the best song on the album.
Speaker 2:Reincarnated.
Speaker 3:Might be. I'm undecided Still early. It's in my top five, though, so it's either Reincarnated man at the Garden or Heart Part Six, One of those three.
Speaker 1:That is absurd that you said that.
Speaker 3:That is absurd that you said that we'll get your opinion in a minute, we don't need it right now. So, like I was saying, like I was saying Reincarnated, if you remember, on this show a couple weeks ago we had a Pac Machiavelli era conversation and it's an obscure Pac reference but I talked about how that was one of my favorite Pac records and I think he was coming a better MC On that. So when I heard this record it was Hook Line and Seeker again. But the concept it's hard to get past the surface listening when it's a Pac record and he's like rhyming like Pac, but the concept is pretty brilliant, is he?
Speaker 1:rhyming like Pac oh my.
Speaker 3:God. This is his best Pac rendition whatever. But the concept is pretty brilliant. You know what I'm saying, talking about the fall of Lucifer from Isaiah and all that. Do the knowledge, you know what I'm saying and look that up. But moving on, I'm glad y'all brought up Peekaboo.
Speaker 3:That's one of the songs I didn't like at first and I considered a skip. It's kind of growing on me now. Dodger Blue sounds like something that could have been on. Damn really like that record. Luther is a hit. I love Luther.
Speaker 3:Gnx the title track is the worst. That's going to forever remain a skip. Forever remain a skip. Gnx I don't think it's good at all. Glory is a dope concept in the vein of I used to love her and all that. His relationship with his pen you know what I'm saying and his craft Dope record. But yeah, the rest of it. You know what I will say. No, it's not album of the year. No, it's not a five-mic classic. It's a solid effort. I give it personally a four-mic rating. It's my third favorite album from him because I've never been a To Pimp a Butterfly fan, so I don't. I can put this over To Pimp a Butterfly easyfly. I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for that, but I've never been a fan of that album it's not that you're going to get a hate, it's just that you're totally wrong like I said, we'll get to you in a minute.
Speaker 3:So what I do, what I do enjoy, what I do enjoy about this album is it's not like a singular theme throughout the whole album. Kendrick's known to be very conceptual and go in these like these deep dives for the common thread or theme of the album. This is just an album you can put on and vibe to. When it got a bunch of joints, you know what I'm saying. Most of the time we're asking for cohesiveness from a lot of artists but you know Kendrick gives us that and the concepts for the most part. So I appreciate it's a song. You can that and the concepts for the most part. So I appreciate it's a song. You don't have to think too much when you put it on. It's just an easy listening joint, you can ride out to it and it got the West Coast vibes. But it's a nice capper at the end of the year.
Speaker 3:It's not album of the year by any means. And here's what's funny. I was talking to my son and I think that lyrically, what Cole did on Mike Delete Later is more impressive what Kendrick did on this album from a lyrical standpoint. But I just feel like the songs on this sound bigger and better overall, more aesthetically pleasing, if that makes sense, like TV Off. I definitely think he's going to play TV Off at the Super Bowl. But you know what I'm saying and it was good to hear it squabble up. But that's my thoughts for the most part. Let's get to the Super Chat right quick.
Speaker 1:Sean and then but you know what I'm saying and it was good to hear it squabble up, but that's my thoughts for the most part. Let's get to the super chat right quick, sean, and then you can. You know, I think it's better than to pimp a butterfly.
Speaker 3:I like it better. I didn't say it was better. I said I like it better.
Speaker 1:Okay, cj the Kid, cj the Kid $10. Mahalo, what up, man Just got here. Hope you guys are doing well. Have you guys addressed the Lil Wayne debacle yet? Do you think Wayne's ego will permit a round two? Feel like MK, with Dot having to face Final Boss now. Mk meaning Mortal Kombat, mortal Kombat, mortal Kombat.
Speaker 5:We'll talk about that too. All right, mad Max, with the $ Kombat, we'll see, we'll talk about that too.
Speaker 1:All right, mad Max with the 999 super chat AG rhyming like Pac Reincarnated. Show how much better Pac from Dot and man at the Garden. Shows why Nas was way better than him. His voice weak, his bars weak. He has no business being mentioned.
Speaker 3:I love that. Mad Max, here, we gonna get so many super chats tonight actually actually Mad Max, oh god, he's halfway right.
Speaker 1:Ag, he's halfway right. It's not that he doesn't belong. I'm still not totally sold if he belongs in their stratosphere, but he would be the closest thing to it do you not like the concept? Of the record. I love the concept and I think the third verse is phenomenal. Do you not like the concept of the record? I love the concept and I think the third verse is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:The third verse is the verse of the year contender. Okay, but overall he fails so miserably vocally trying to imitate Pac on any level. It's a no for him vocally to try to do that, because in Pac you have a top five voice like period and with this guy he might have the worst voice of all the all-time great rappers.
Speaker 3:It's a no, yeah, kendrick, that's his Achilles heel. Out of all the MC attributes, his voice is his worst attribute. Mc attributes his voice as his worst attribute.
Speaker 1:Sean, I want you to go ahead and go, because I'm going to do a disclaimer on behalf of Hip Hop Talks when I go, we have one more super chat. One more super chat. Michael Williams, $5. Dot. Paying homage to Nas Big and Pac on the album is dope. Even the cover art seemed like a nod to J on Volume 2 in front of the Bentley. That crossed my mind.
Speaker 5:Tracy G got one too cool.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, tracy, back at it. $5. Hell, nah, in my mild voice, cole smashed this nigga. Kenny fell off like the Simpsons. Real talk, not like the Simpsons. Don't be able to talk about that. Those are our people.
Speaker 3:Tracy always go to defend Cole. We can count on that.
Speaker 4:Where is Tracy from Tracy from the non?
Speaker 3:Hey, tracy, I've been listening to the warm-up too. They put the warm-up on streaming, so don't shoot at me. I've been listening to the warm-up all weekend too.
Speaker 1:He need to cool down. That's what he need to do. Drop his damn 888. All right, sean on you, man, tell me what your thoughts are. Ag gave his AG. You say it's a four.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'll give it a four Hold on. We got one more super chat.
Speaker 1:Coop. One more super chat. Cj the Kid back at it with $10. Can't wait to hear the breakdown from Coop and hear the historical references. I remember, coop. You brought up how Malcolm X was Malcolm Mulder before that, in order to explain why 444 wasn't a classic. Yeah, I did do that, Damn.
Speaker 5:that was good. It was just Chicago. Oh, that was good.
Speaker 1:That's some good stuff, detroit Red up in here.
Speaker 5:All right. So I want to start with Love. Solid album. Solid album AG. I disagree. I don't think that he was trying to reenact Pac's voice or Pac's tone in Reincarn reincarnated. I think we got to compartmentalize the beat versus what kendrick was actually doing with that song. Uh, reincarnated the first verse, I think it was more so a old day. Um, to jimmy hendrix, the way he kind of broke things down, you know timeline wise and just you know the guitar. Um, he talked about chicago 1947, all of those things. I listened to that song a few times and I'm getting a little bit of Jimi Hendrix out of that.
Speaker 3:The time line's going to add up. A lot of people were talking about Jimi, but the time don't add up. A lot of people were thinking that that's for Jackie Wilson. I was looking at that too.
Speaker 5:I thought Jackie Wilson had fun, but it's still not adding up with everything else he was saying, so he leaves it for interpretation. Yeah Right, even the second one, I think the second verse people were saying Billie Holiday.
Speaker 3:Billie.
Speaker 5:Holiday Right, based on the way he conceptualized that second verse Reincarnated the energy of my reincarnated. You cannot go wrong with that beat. You cannot go wrong with anything and that's one of the dope ones that Pac had. And, aj, you talked about it a couple of weeks ago on one of our shows and you were talking about that actual song and that beat. So you really can't go wrong with that. Whacked Out Murals. I think that was a good tone setter. He addressed certain things that fans wanted him to address. He mentioned Wayne. I don't think it was a diss. We'll talk about that later. I don't think it was truly a diss. It was just hey, look why you not championing me in this moment.
Speaker 3:It was like the Nas Pete rock line, not really a diss, but just letting them know that I see you.
Speaker 5:I didn't see it as a diss. We can debate that, but I didn't see that as a diss.
Speaker 1:It was not as disrespectful as an open hand slap, but I heard what the five fingers say to the face when he said that I think Wayne jumping out there makes it much more than what it really was, because he only gave like not even a bar.
Speaker 5:He was just like Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:What did he say right after the Wayne bar, though?
Speaker 4:Whatever though?
Speaker 5:Yeah, whatever on. What did he say right after the Wayne bar though? Whatever, though yeah, whatever, though yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he's saying I mean, we're going to let you get back to your point, Sean, but he's basically saying somebody who I wanted to attain what they had and I worked hard at that. Now they hate on me because my hard work has paid off. Whatever, you know what I'm saying. I used to look at Wayne like that.
Speaker 1:Let's address the fact that he is talking on this album like people have been hating on him, when he's been the darling golden child this entire generation.
Speaker 3:He had you in mind, Coop.
Speaker 1:This shit is extremely out of touch and off base.
Speaker 3:He home.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3:He had you in mind. You were in the liner notes. Like yo, shout out to Kool.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely, that's in my notes. It's like, okay, so this nigga's heard about me.
Speaker 5:You've been pressing all this shit that I heard Somebody told him something Somebody told him something.
Speaker 1:I like Squabble Up yeah.
Speaker 5:I like Squabble Up, going back and sampling Debbie Dell. You know Brooklyn Night. Shout out to Debbie Dell, being able to sample that joint, and to me that was, for me that was the best part of that song. I'm going to be honest with you. I love that song, a breakdancing song. Shout out to my uncle, danny. Love Squabble Up man in the Garden you know, reminiscent of we know one mic Right. Love that song, love the tone of that song, love what he did with that song, reincarnated of course we talked about that. Luther is a hit. Heart. Part Six solid Gloria. I looked at Gloria as very similar to I Gave you Power by Nas, another conceptual song talking about his pen. The ones I didn't really care for Head Now GNX and Peekaboo and TV Off. I know TV Off is the one that people talk about the most because he's screaming mustard, sounding crazy Mustard. You know I get it.
Speaker 5:I get that but that song to me doesn't do much for me Without you take that muster part off of it. I feel like TV Off is another one. That to me is a skip for me. But yo, I think the album is solid. I will give it a solid four. I think that the replay value for me has been solid over the weekend so far. I listened to it again today with my 12-year-old. I asked her what she thinks about the songs. She thought it was okay. We kind of had a similar view on some of those songs and I just feel like this.
Speaker 5:I think this album may have a little bit of legs until the next one come out at the end of the year, hint hint. But I think that he did what he was supposed to do. Honestly, I think that he did everything that people like yourself wanted him to do. You say you wanted an album, you wanted him to rap, you wanted him to be digestible. You wanted all of these things. This album is one of the best albums. That that was crazy. I thought I was going to keep on talking, so you won't say anything. You tried to smoothly go through that, but you know.
Speaker 3:This is one of the most.
Speaker 1:I tried to let you finish until AG cuts you off. I just had to say Thank you.
Speaker 5:Thank you, ag Coopman, right now. My bad, I came out the wrong way. I came out the wrong way. This is an easy listening album. This is an album that's easy on the ear. Kendrick has a tendency to be very complex as a writer, as a performer, but this is very easy listening and because it's easy listening, it allows the listener to go back, to be able to go back and listen to it over and over, and that's where I'm at with mine, so cool.
Speaker 1:What you got. I'm going to hit the super chats, then I'm going to hit the heavy bag because mama said knock you out. Michael Williams, do you have this Kendrick album over? You only die once. I believe. None of us do.
Speaker 3:Alright.
Speaker 1:Glad we got that out there.
Speaker 3:Can I ask Sean a quick question? You kind of glossed over the Heart Part 6. Do y'all like the detailing of what happened with tde and all that and just the fact that he put a heart part six on the album when people thought that he wasn't going to revisit that because you had the drake, this track of the same name, so he did the right thing.
Speaker 5:You got to put that on there okay, you see the disregard, what drake did? I'm going to keep with my theme. I'm not going to skip over and say hard, part seven, that doesn't count.
Speaker 3:And what about the story of it? How did you feel about the story on that? I?
Speaker 5:love the story. It shows vulnerability. It shows really what happened behind the scenes, where he was, what he was feeling, how he really felt about it. I love vulnerable songs like that. You can't go wrong with that.
Speaker 1:That's something that we need more, because you heard stories, you heard the rumblings about it, but he addressed most of that. Whether it's fabrication or whatever he addressed it Fascinating stuff, gentlemen. Tracy G with the $5 super chat, Cole is the GOAT, but real talk. If Ja Rule can't do pot, Kenny can't either. One hundred, Tracy G, I'm with you, my G.
Speaker 3:That's a hell of a super chat. What did Ja Bruce say Y'all want?
Speaker 1:to see. Pock, don't do that. We're not done with the super chat of Kenny Big Me. Why is he looking for Congrats, mad Max 999, sean Lyon, he a NYC ninja. He not bumping this. After next week He'll be playing Lost Tapes to cleanse his ears.
Speaker 5:I played it this morning. Mad Max is crazy.
Speaker 3:I love this. Anytime we get a Kendrick topic, Mad Max is going to come through with about 200 in Super Chat.
Speaker 1:I'm all for it. Him and Sean are toe-to-toe for hater of the year. When we have the haters ball at the end of the year, we should go on the haters ball podcast and do the hater ball awards. But I mean shit.
Speaker 3:Sean's a bunch of a hater. Remember when we loved the Gibbs and he was hating on the Gibbs and then you said you just said we all agreed that this was better than the Gibbs, and then Sean started squirming in his seat.
Speaker 1:That's that internal hate that the camera can't take away. That's that nonverbal communication. That's that nonverbal hate.
Speaker 5:These niggas at the awards. That's a grimy man.
Speaker 1:We're the grimy ones. That's wild. Cj the Kid with the $10 Super Chat. I set the trap just to see dude react. You guys think Dodd said that bar so that in case Wayne does fire at him, dodd will diss him at the Super Bowl or on some Summer Jam screen on steroids, not at Super Bowl.
Speaker 3:Nah, I don't think that'll happen. That's not the place for that.
Speaker 5:Not the place for that at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting New Orleans.
Speaker 1:You know, these white people are not about to let that happen. They're going to be like you're doing. What Excuse me?
Speaker 3:I like the shirt Coop with the tapes on. I just now peeped that.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this was a birthday gift from last year. Shout out to Ari. Let me see Michael Williams, $5. T2 in the chat Wild and he said this album puts Kendrick over Stevie Prince and Pac. Well, t2's a cocaine. It's judgment day. He decided to go skiing and I don't mean in Colorado.
Speaker 5:That's a troll comment he's seeing spaceships on Bankhead.
Speaker 1:T2's seeing spaceships on Bankhead. Shout out to Fabo. One of the many niggas, Kendrick is biting on this album. Anyway, 007 with the $9.99 super chat Coop. If the tip of the hat to Rakim doesn't make you happy, there is no hope.
Speaker 5:Let's start it off. Real weird.
Speaker 1:Don't, don't, please don't, we don't have time. There are too many people in the chat tonight for you. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Kenny may even drop again next year and off the Misstepper album. He is on an upward trajectory. He has the crown, undeniable. I would submit to you that two of the best words in the English language are called reasonable doubt. I'm not talking about Jay's debut album, fr33, with the $5. When Reincarnated started he sounded like a little kid doing a Tupac impression in the mirror. That's disrespectful and accurate. Ill Magic $4.99. I will say Q's album is better.
Speaker 1:No way Ill Magic.
Speaker 5:I love.
Speaker 1:Q.
Speaker 3:Q is one of my favorites, but hell no, respectfully.
Speaker 1:No no no, glad we had this talk, sean. So you said you're giving it a four, I'm giving it a four. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Are we going to be Jay-Z? Four, four, four. Nah, we ain't going to be that. You know, kufa ain't giving it a four.
Speaker 5:I'll go back and change my rating. Before we do that, we for.
Speaker 1:I'll go back and change my rating before we do that. We know you're hating as well. Matter of fact, if you do that, this might put you over Mad Max to win hater of the year.
Speaker 3:This could be the hater moment Sean be hating on Jay for no reason just because they got the same name.
Speaker 1:You know how college players got to have a Heisman moment. Sean's waiting for his hater moment. Here's the moment that my hate shows, on all the levels of hate that I provide.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sean told me one time he was about to change his name to S-E-A-N because his was spelled just like Jay's, and he said he was going legally to change it to S-E-A-N.
Speaker 1:It's on the copyright now man man.
Speaker 1:So I want to say that a lot of people think that I'm about to hate on this album. So I want to say that a lot of people think that I'm about to hate on this album. I'm not about to do that. I'm about to do what I always do. Now, first of all, I want to say I think people have me confused, guys.
Speaker 1:Now I don't like Lupe or Tlaib at all in real time, real life. We know that Can't stand niggas like that, oh holier than thou above the cloud ass. Niggas like that, oh holier than thou above the cloud-ass niggas. Can't stand these uppity-ass niggas from uppity-ass niggas. That's how I know these niggas is uppity, because I'm uppity, super uppity. But when it's time for their album to drop, I'm always fair, and so I really don't appreciate people pulling up like I'm not fair. Lupe has dropped two projects Since People pulling up like I'm not fair. Lupe has dropped two projects. Since he and I got into it, they've both gotten fours from me.
Speaker 1:I gave Talib and Mos early album of the year before I realized that I needed to teach them what business and economics in the fucking modern day times look like. They're on some fucking streaming service that's not even meant to mix down music. That's another conversation for another day. What I'm saying is I handed them out fours and fives and I can't stand them. I don't have a problem with Kendrick, I have a problem with you niggas. And I don't mean you two niggas, I have a problem with you two niggas too, but I'm talking about the rest of you, because all you do is cape and cap for him instead of being fair, and all I've been is fair.
Speaker 1:You want to know how I know that I've been fair. First of all, I don't hear anybody, as much as they like this album, really calling it album of the year, like that. That's because it's not so. Let's go ahead and get that shit out the way off the table. It's not album of the year. Now here's what that means. This will be the second consecutive time that he hasn't dropped album after the year, album of the year. After doing it three consecutive times, is it fair to say Good, kid Mad City Pimple.
Speaker 3:Butterfly and Damn are all album of the year for the years that they were released. Yeah, but um, damn probably could be arguable. It's I like damn better, but some people would say 444 is better. That came out the same year.
Speaker 1:Those people are doing cocaine with t2 in the bathroom and bucket. Well, yeah, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 3:I like damn better. And for me, as much as I love good kid, mad city life, life is good as a close second, but I wouldn't put it over good kid though so by most accounts, though ag, he has three album of the years, in most people's opinion.
Speaker 1:Now, if you win album of the year three times in a row and then the next two times drop, you do not win album of the year. You know what that is called in real life, in real terms, right, right, it's called a drop-off.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's anybody that has done it four times every time out.
Speaker 1:But this is a second time. So this album is good, but let's acknowledge the fact that there's a drop-off. What this album is to me is actually closer to Section 80. It's not on damn to pimp a butterfly or good kid mad city level so the classic talk. That's not on. Damn to pimp a butterfly at Good Kid Mad City level. So the classic talk. That's not it. It's a really good project from an all-time great artist and there's nothing wrong with that. It just needs to get treated that way. So I don't want to hear this oh, this is goat talk. It's none of that. There's no goat talk on here. There are barely verse of the year contenders on here. The verse three on reincarnated to me would probably be the closest thing to a verse of the year contender on here.
Speaker 3:He doesn't have a lot of those either guys, that's what I was saying about my delete later and what Cole did lyrically Like that was more impressive.
Speaker 1:I would agree with you that lyrically, cole is better on my delete later than Kendrick is on this album, but I will tell you that I would give Kendrick the overall mic performance.
Speaker 3:Absolutely the record sound better.
Speaker 1:The record sound better when he hits the mark. So let's go ahead and address the next thing Now. This is better than Mr Morale and the Big Steppers. It's 10 times better. So I need people to get off my ass about me dragging that crappy ass album through the mud. I drug it through the mud because I already seen dirt on it. The album's not any good. We can say that with clear, unequivocal thought today after listening to this project. Right, Right.
Speaker 3:I like it better than To Pimp a Butterfly, but objectively I can't say that it's better, but I enjoy it more than To Pimp a Butterfly.
Speaker 1:It's easy to listen. It's an easy listen. That's another thing too. What's up with the subject matter on this album, guys? I thought this was your socially conscious king. That's why when I sent the tweet out so this is your king. It's like your king kind of talks like everybody else talks. You just got better talk game. You know what I'm saying? Everybody else talk. You just got better talk game. You know what I'm saying? His spit game is just better. He's not really saying anything new or special. All of these guest appearances you can scratch outside of Scissor, guys. You can scratch all the guest appearances outside of.
Speaker 3:Scissor. They're virtually unknown. No, I'm not talking about being unknown.
Speaker 1:We didn't know who sold. God was like that on Jose Canseco. It's about making your mark, and a Kendrick Lamar album is the perfect fucking time to make your mark as an MC. None of the guys showed up to the party to party appropriately. Sza fucking delivered Because Luther and Gloria are two of the five best songs on the album.
Speaker 5:I don't know if I agree with that Coop. I think they did what they're supposed to do. I think they actually did what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 3:No, To Coop's point, if you artist Kendrick's caliber, when you have a feature that somebody who is a virtual unknown, you would hope that they could be able to make their presence on the track and stand next to him. Kendrick was going back and forth and they sound like they shouldn't maybe even be on the track with him.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Let's talk about some executive production moments right here and let's talk about some thought process. And let's talk about his creative bag right quick. First of all, I'm with AG on the Love Part 6. I think the Love Part 6 might be the best song on this whole fucking album. Actually, the story is great. It's definitely a top three song.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Kendrick and the Freddie for flipping R&B samples on their album that we were not expecting niggas to rap to. Who the fuck thought somebody was going to rap over Cupid by 112 and Use your Heart by SWV. Excellent choices, excellent production. Both of those are excellent songs, some of my favorite work that I've heard this year. The next song is GNX. Guys, you just spent this whole time. No, listen, if you listen to what I'm about to say, you just spent this whole time breaking down the whole TDE thing and then you go do a posse cut song right after that breakdown when the real move, the real chess move, is to get J-Rock, ab-soul and Q on that record. What the fuck are we talking about? And why am I the only person that noticed how major of a misstep and a moment that could have been for him to give the full analysis and breakdown and then slide into a posse that's a great point.
Speaker 1:That's a great point what the fuck are we talking about? That's why those guest appearances don't matter. But that's executive production. And I'm going to tell you what. At that point, when that happened because I from the notes that I was taking on it that's when I realized well, a lot is made of his album making ability. A lot of the album making ability lies in his creative genius. His creative genius is not the same guys. He is pulling from multiple places at multiple times.
Speaker 1:For the first time, when you use a Kendrick experience, it's a Kendrick Lamar experience. It's not a Tupac interpretation experience. It's not a Fabo riff. It's not a Nas interpretation. It's not a Rakim bar. You get what I'm saying. It's usually never those things with him. I take that as a mark that his creative juice is not the same. And that's why I was telling y'all it's like well, those battle songs. It's like, oh, no, that's the first time we heard that guy. And there's nothing wrong, because when I talk about this happening with Kanye, everybody fucking agrees. But when I say the same thing about this guy's oh, you don't know what you're talking about. It's like no, he didn't used to have to do stuff like this to make the songs palatable.
Speaker 3:But all MCs do that though.
Speaker 1:Him stepping to the mic used to be palatable enough it did. There didn't used to be a have-to-need album where the best songs Think about it. Ag, your best song is a Tupac impersonation. The next song that you think is great is a Nas impersonation. Another one of the best songs has a Favo riff on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but all MCs do that. Kendrick can't be indicted for that when all MCs do the same thing. This is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yes, he can, because we hold our greatest MCs to different standards, which is my whole point. Ag, what you just said is my problem with his fan base, because they're like no, no other MCs do that Other.
Speaker 3:MCs are not Kendrick Lamar, according to everybody, including me, then Jay would have to get docked a lot of points then, but he's still number two all time on your list though.
Speaker 1:I dock Nas all the time. I'd be like man he could have kept that shit.
Speaker 3:But I'm talking about taking stuff from other people.
Speaker 1:Nobody says. When I talk about Nostradamus, nobody really says a word. When I do that shit, you feel what I'm saying? I'd be like man, he could have kept that. Nobody says nothing. I'd be like yo. I'm like this dude ain't made a good album in eight years. You're crazy. He's the greatest MC of all time. It's like no, he ain't made a good album in eight years. Now I'm going to stop saying that shit today because he actually made a dope album. So the drought of him actually making a quality album it does officially end with the release of this project. This is a good project but, much like I started seeing with Kanye, it's more flashes than it is the consistent brilliance that you're used to, and we need to acknowledge that and accept that and stop acting like. This is the same guy that made Good Kid Mad City to Pimple Butterfly and Damn, which has been the whole premise of my point this whole time. He's not that guy anymore. He's still great. He's still great. He's still all-time great. He's not that guy.
Speaker 3:That's what I've been saying, but what if it's an effort to not do that? Because that's what I appreciated about the album, though.
Speaker 1:AG, you just don't got the juice like that. No more to fucking pump it out like that anymore. It's okay, it happens. What do you want him to do?
Speaker 3:I'd rather it be an album like this instead of one of those heavy concept albums where you could just put on this and a joint. You know what I'm saying. I'd rather it be that.
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying. He used to be able to do both at the same damn time.
Speaker 5:The quote future Cool what do you want him to do?
Speaker 3:It got to be one or the other. You can't ask for both.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying I'm not asking for both. I'm just acknowledging the obvious.
Speaker 3:Because when he goes heavy down that lane you get a Mr Morale. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I said the album was good, did I not? Did I not just say that I was going to stop saying that he hadn't made a good album in eight years?
Speaker 3:But I'm talking about you said he can't do that no more. I'm saying maybe it was a concerted effort to not do that, to make a more loose album.
Speaker 1:No, because Mr Morale is proof that he can't do that anymore. But you can think differently if you'd like.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, Mr Morale is the proof that his ability of making palatable, highly socially conscious and aware songs that deliver and hit the mark and still like, have replay value. I think mr morale proves that those days are done for him. This is an easier pull off now. Here's what I will say. I do feel like this nigga's been listening to me, because everything I've been saying he don't do he tried to do. On this album I said outside of good kid mad city, you wouldn't know that this nigga's from Cali. Oh, this shit sounds so Cali, don't it? But it still ain't good enough. A lot of no, it's not that no, I rated a lot of these records from the perspective of knowing. Well, I actually like the fact and gonna give him an extra bonus point, even though I have some of these songs rated lower. But I understand the mission statement. This is his West Coast album. He hasn't made a West Coast album. That's what I've been telling you. I was like we got a nigga that y'all saying is like Good Kid's real West Coast.
Speaker 5:It is a West Coast album.
Speaker 1:For its time. That's why I've been saying oh well, if you don't know about Good Kid Mad City, you don't even know that this guy's from Compton and that's, and that's true. If you don't know about Good Kid Mad City and Section 80, you don't know this nigga from Compton until today, like until this album drops but like Joe was saying on his show, this album's like a dog whistle for West Coast, like it's, you know so a lot of this shit is going to bang on the west and they're going to love it, but in the overall specter not as much, and I did try to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1:Like there are joints on here like how about this? Oh no, west coast niggas fuck with peekaboo. Tough right now. You know what I'm saying. Peekaboo is one of those joints. It's like oh, it doesn't play in the overall sphere, oh, but west coast niggas gonna love it and gonna have a problem with you if you tell them the shit ain't good. They about to have a problem with my black ass because I don't like it let me ask you a question, coop.
Speaker 3:So and sean alluded to this earlier that something else might be on the way. I don't know if you saw the teaser for this album, but on the teaser for this album there was a song playing that wasn't even on this track list, right, so it might be something else coming down the pipeline. So what if that's the conceptual album that you're talking about? He just put this out as kind of people saying a mixtape, uh, appetizer album, so you know, just to kind of throw it out there for the real deal no, ag, please don't confuse what I am saying.
Speaker 1:I'm more okay with him doing this than him doing the concept stuff, because I don't think he can deliver the concept stuff anymore. That's part of why this album is good. Part of why this album is good is because how about this? It's like this Sometimes a painter in their prime paints on the biggest canvas that they can find and they have the capability in the paint to paint on that canvas when they get older. Sometimes they have to condense and work on smaller work because it's easier. They don't have as much time, their hand is not as steady as it used to be. They've been painting so long that they get to shake. Sometimes They've got to take more of a break, and so what this is is it's still a picture from him and it's still a beautiful picture. It's in a smaller, more condensed frame because that's what works for him better at this point.
Speaker 3:So you are saying he did execute on Gloria man at the Garden and you said he executed those concepts or no?
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what AG I'll do you one better. I'll give you my rating of the songs in my specific notes. Let's go to Gloria.
Speaker 5:He has a super chat.
Speaker 1:Let me do the super chat. Hold on, where are we at?
Speaker 5:Let me see all right here hold on, hold on one second.
Speaker 1:Let me catch up, because I'm old and I can't read that shit. You have to read that one, sean, because I'm too far down in the chat dot made this for the city, la this wasn't for y'all see, see already.
Speaker 1:Mad max with the 199 super chat coop to pimple butterfly, not over ds2 gang or that tribe album. That's crazy talk. Mad max, we're gonna have to start banning you, but keep sending super chat. Tracy g, two dollars. There is no 3001 on gnx. Okay, mad max, 199 mexicans saying the n-word on this album. Mad Max, we don't have time to unpack all that tonight. I don't know what you're trying to do. I don't know what you're trying to do. The election's over.
Speaker 3:I don't care what Max is trying to do, as long as it's been a super chat, shout out to you, max.
Speaker 2:The election's over.
Speaker 3:White people want to go Max Get over it.
Speaker 1:Hey, max, get over here. Brandon Rogers $10. Kendrick did one thing that Coop requested. This is probably his most West Coast-hounding album in his catalog. My issue is people like him are polarizing His stan and haters are annoying CJ the Kid $10. I felt like this was Doc trying to do his version of what Dre did on the Chronic by bringing some unknowns at the time and giving them a platform to be something bigger. The execution did not match some unknowns at the time and giving them a platform to be something bigger. The execution did not match CJ. The no-names Dr Dre bought were Snoop Dogg, nate Dogg, warren G, corruption Dad, the Lady of Rage. What the fuck are we talking about CJ.
Speaker 1:I love you, Don't ever do that again, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It's the love you Don't ever do that again. It's ridiculous. It's the best unsigned roster ever to step into a studio Period. We got more Super Chats. Yeah, that was the last one for right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I think, gloria, first of all, matter of fact, ag, let me just read this to you. You'll love this Masterful and majestic, perfect beat for his vocal range on this song. Vocal range is overall impressive on this album. Outside of reincarnated sizzle with the I gave you power line is like foreshadowing a clue of how the record is going to end. Truly brilliant sizzle, low-key, helps push this album over the top, possibly the best record on this album. I gave Gloria a 5 out of 5. On man at the Garden, I gave it a 4.5 out of 5. I say 1, mike, part 2. He's not the GOAT, but he does have a chip on his shoulder and a competitive will that all GOATs have in all professions, and I put in parentheses Michael Jordan, tom Brady, nas Jay. So those are my thoughts on those two records. So I do believe that he executed those songs.
Speaker 3:I'm just trying to understand. So you're saying he can't stream together a whole album of these is what you're getting at. Oh no, those days are done. That's what I mean. I disagree, but I just wanted to clarify what you were saying. He could do it like flashes, but not for a while and those in my opinion.
Speaker 1:That and the heart, part 6 those are three of the five best records on the album. So he can do it in that bag, but those three records are really the only time he's in that bag but even if he could, I didn't want that.
Speaker 3:now I like the Luther and TV Off and Joint Slight Dodger Blue sprinkled in there with those concept records to me to make them stand out even more.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go ahead and say it I don't like Dodger Blue. You can keep that. I love that.
Speaker 3:Record it sounds like you could put it on. Damn man, it's a vibe. I love that record.
Speaker 1:This is exactly what my note was on this album, on that record, and I already know what it is it's like. I don't know if I love this beat or hate this beat. Kill that shit. I hate when I feel that way about a record. I don't know if I should love the beat or hate the beat. If I gotta ask myself if I love a beat or hate a beat, you're asking me to do too much because I already got to listen to Kendrick Uh-uh.
Speaker 3:No, can I ask both of y'all a question? Do y'all respect that he didn't put any of the diss tracks on here to try to ride that way?
Speaker 1:It's the first thing I noticed and I do respect it. I do too, I'm glad he didn't do that.
Speaker 3:I would have looked at that funny if he did.
Speaker 1:It would have taken so much away from his legacy potentially, and from the album. I love that he didn't do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what'd you say, sean, I'm good, go ahead. No, I mean, what do you think about that? Not putting the diss tracks on them?
Speaker 5:We got a super chat real quick. We got two of them actually.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's Sean's way of saying I don't have feelings. We had super chats. Ill Magic with the $5 super chat, would y'all say. Lupe has outshined Doc conceptually. Between their last two albums they've dropped in this era Drill and Samurai Morale, g and X it's like yeah, but that's like saying, oh man, does that person have a better crossover than Steph Curry? It's like yeah, can he shoot like Steph? Is he playing like Steph? All the time? Nobody cares about one thing that you do well if motherfucker does everything else better.
Speaker 3:Lupe is hard to out-conceptualize the problem with Lupe. He struggles to bring it down to where it's easily digestible. How?
Speaker 1:about this. What Kendrick just did just now, that I'm giving him credit for this, is Lupe's problem. Can't get an album like this from Lupe. There will be no squabble up, for Lupe is the problem. That's the problem. Am I wrong?
Speaker 3:Early on he could do that, but not now. I don't feel like he could.
Speaker 1:He hasn't been able to do that since the Cool dude. My daughter wasn't alive when the Cool came out.
Speaker 1:She's about to graduate from high school. Nigga, I just drove her car Car, I just drove her car car's driving great. By the way, sweetie, she's on vacation. She hit me. You know how real this shit is. My daughter's been on a cruise ship for a week and when the Kendrick drop ain't text me, ain't talk to me about nothing, I gotta check up every day that Kendrick drop. She was like yo, daddy, you seen Kendrick drop, right, y'all doing a show it's news, it's a deal even all the way from a boat in the Bahamas.
Speaker 1:It's a deal, tracy G, with the $5. This album was like Black Panther 1 overhyped and not good. It's not that bad.
Speaker 3:Black Panther 1 is a classic.
Speaker 1:That's crazy no, I'm with Tracy. That album fucking sucks and you're tripping.
Speaker 3:Oh, I thought she was talking about the movie no, I was talking about the soundtrack. Oh, thank God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was about to crash out.
Speaker 3:I was like Black Panther 1 is a classic yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm about to block that.
Speaker 1:R Johnson with the $5 super chat. This is his first super chat. The LA rap community will have a rude awakening when they find out the rap fans outside of Cali Only fuck with Kendrick and Tyler. That's not true, Larry June. There's plenty of dope West Coast artists out there. Cali's had a hell of a year Low-key Cali's in a hell of a year. Low-key, I mean high-key. It just dropped again.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Cali is the forefront right now. Cali's leading the pack right now.
Speaker 1:Ab Soul, you know what I'm saying, schoolboy Cali killing it, tyler, damn R Johnson, that's your first super chat with us. My G, that's what you going to do with it Big hit in the game.
Speaker 3:It's been a lot of Cali stuff this year. Big hit in the game for the top five album this year. What's up bro?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Cali man. Shout out to the whole.
Speaker 5:West Coast man. Shout out to all the West Coast, west Coast doing it up Right now. The West Coast is actually running things right now. Let's keep it real.
Speaker 3:It would appear.
Speaker 1:It would appear. We'll talk about that at the year-end review. We'll know about all that. We'll see CJ the Kid with the $10 Super Chat Damn Coop. I was just saying Kendrick might have tried to do the same concept with new artists. I didn't say that Dot has Dre's ear and foresight to see if the artists will have the same future, but he needs to take a cue right now. Damn the future. Where's my TEE record after the hard part six?
Speaker 5:What is your hard?
Speaker 1:reduction. Some of these beats ain't all that either. The production on this album is not up to par with where he is still as an MC, because him at 85% is still better than 95% of the lead. Let's be clear, that's what I'm saying. People take some of my stances and some of my takes differently from how I actually see things and how I actually feel about things. When it comes to him, it's like oh no, I'll take him at 85%. He's better than 95% at 85%. Acknowledge that, it's fucking 85%. And this shit is not 100 anymore, though.
Speaker 3:Sean had a question for you, though what?
Speaker 5:is your argument. You though.
Speaker 1:Nobody asked Sean If he had a question. Nobody cares about Sean's question.
Speaker 5:I'm trying to help you understand your feelings. Right now, your feelings are all over the place. I'm trying to bring your feelings back in Walk with me.
Speaker 1:I feel so traumatized by the last two Kendrick Houses. I need therapy From what I have been through, from how people have felt about me Feeling a certain type of way about these last two albums. I need things.
Speaker 5:I get it, but that's why we're trying to help you out here, because I even asked for some help, because I can't it takes a village to help Coop in this situation because I do think you would like this album. I think you love this album.
Speaker 1:I don't love this album, don't?
Speaker 5:do that shit, don't do that shit. I think, when you were at home this weekend, you was really loving this album in your comforts of your own home and right now you cannot process what's happening. Right now, you can't process it.
Speaker 1:I said the album was good.
Speaker 5:I guarantee, when Squabble came on, you started dancing.
Speaker 1:I'm sure, squabble up is hard.
Speaker 5:Squabble up is hard, I guarantee you. I guarantee you with dancing and you're trying to process all of this, I get it. So I had to ask for some help, because we're a community to help each other, and I had to reach out to some folks that actually know and love Kendrick A lot, lot, a lot Coop, because we're here to help you. This show is not about Kendrick anymore. It's not Kendrick anymore.
Speaker 1:It's about you. I want your help.
Speaker 5:It's about you Coop.
Speaker 3:Is this an intervention?
Speaker 5:It's an intervention.
Speaker 1:Kendrick dropped the album. I don't need help. You want to know what you and me we're going to have to quabble up. I don't need help.
Speaker 5:But, coop, when you say it's good, you do have a backhanded complimentary tone about it. Yes, that's what I'm trying to understand, because you say it's good, but you're saying that he's not shooting at a high clip.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no. You're confusing me. I'm saying in relation how about this? Is he an all-time great MC? He's one of them.
Speaker 5:He's one of them.
Speaker 1:He's one of them, is he number one for this generation, by all accounts.
Speaker 5:Yes, you got to give it to him you got to give it to him.
Speaker 1:I don't have a problem with giving it to him. That's what I'm saying. So, now that we've given him all of that, we rate him that way then, don't we? Because I judge Nas and Jay and Rakim and Scarface and Ghostface and those guys the hardest, the hardest.
Speaker 3:But you understand defending that it's not a classic. Nobody is saying it's a classic. No, it's a classic moment because it's capping off the year, but it's not a classic album.
Speaker 5:I want to understand the argument. That's why I'm asking. It's just good.
Speaker 1:It's just good. There's nothing wrong with me. That's what I'm saying. When an all-time great MC drops a good album, and I say that it's good because it's him, it's like, oh, but what is he trying to say? I'm saying that it's good.
Speaker 3:What I said earlier in the show.
Speaker 1:It's a really good album with some great moments.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this he was already having the best year. You know what I'm saying of an MC, but we needed an album.
Speaker 1:Those are lies. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Who was having a better year than Kendrick?
Speaker 1:How can somebody without an album be having the best year?
Speaker 3:Before this album dropped, who was having the better year than Kendrick Name?
Speaker 5:them who.
Speaker 1:I love Future's year right now. I said that on the last show.
Speaker 3:Okay, you got Future.
Speaker 1:He said he got the notoriety with it and I said that last show I said if I was picking an artist of the year, I would pick Future.
Speaker 3:This is like a Jordan 91 year though.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. Where did this beef start actually? On what record On?
Speaker 3:Future's on. Where did this beef start?
Speaker 1:actually On what record? On Future's joint it outshined Future's joint. It did. Everybody just talked about that. Impact numbers, music output. Future is outpacing Kendrick's on all metrics, outside of one record, and you're going to tell me that Kendrick was the one running this year over Future? No, that's the bullshit I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Okay, but after this album would you say that now Broke out. The Super Bowl took out Drake. The biggest artist there is, j Cole apologized to the man on stage in front of thousands. He had the best feature there is this year, but like that he has the best record of the year, but not, like us, best feature this year.
Speaker 1:like that he has the best record of the year but not, like us, best feature this year. You think, ag, you know that feature's not that good. Don't do that.
Speaker 3:Name a feature this year. Better than like that Name it. Name it, it's Polaroid and Kool Kool.
Speaker 1:Morgue. No, there's Hold on. Hold on AG.
Speaker 3:What feature made as much? Noise as like that You're not talking about best.
Speaker 1:You're not talking about best. You're talking about most notoriety. Those are two different things.
Speaker 3:Okay, but name one Most notoriety is off the table, so we know that that's what it is.
Speaker 5:We got a couple of super chats. That's wild.
Speaker 1:AG, that's the type of shit I expect from Sean.
Speaker 5:What are you doing? Let's get the super chats real quick, cool.
Speaker 1:Oh man, this is terrible CJ the. Kid no, no, no, no, no, no. Did we read CJ, the Kid's $10 Superchat?
Speaker 3:We did yeah last time.
Speaker 1:Bohemian J just dropped his first Superchat for $199, but he didn't say anything. There go Bohemian J, again $199. How much numbers do you guys think Kenny will do? What do you think he?
Speaker 5:What you think he's tracking right now? Pretty high, I think last time.
Speaker 1:I saw it. 300? Yeah, 300 sounds about right. I can see him doing 300. All right, cj. Cj the Kid with his $10 Super Chat Starting to feel like 92-93 with the West Coast run Makes me wonder who will be this generation's Wu-Tang, nas or Biggie, to make East come with something that will stand out. Okay so CJ the Kid out. Okay so CJ the kid. I'm going to have a little reality check. If there ain't no Wu-Tangs, nas or Big E's walking through the door to stop this shit.
Speaker 3:Nah Griselda's keeping the East Coast alive. You know what I'm saying. That's about it. I'm going to say that again. They're in the Wu-Tangs. No, they're not Wu, but they're.
Speaker 1:You know, they're the most appropriate replacement we've got, since they've been gone correct, or post-prime Mad Max with the $9.99. I only bought the Mexican thing up, since Adolf Hitler won a police who can say the N-word and West ain't running nothing.
Speaker 5:You're going to take the check. Yo, we got some guests. Y'all ready for our guests. We got some guests.
Speaker 3:This is part of the intervention for Coop is part of the intervention for Coop man fuck your intervention yeah, never change Coop, never change Coop Sean. Ag. I don't plan on changing.
Speaker 2:I don't plan on changing at all how fascinating to meet you all again.
Speaker 1:I feel like we have been doing this for four years.
Speaker 4:I can't believe what I'm hearing on this episode from the person who was supposed to be the beacon of hip hop culture himself Coop. I am highly disappointed in you today, good brother. He said your light is dimming too, Coop. You said am highly disappointed in you today, good brother.
Speaker 3:He said your light is dimming too. Coop, you said the Kendrick's dimming. Jarv said your light was dimming.
Speaker 4:I can't believe what I'm hearing, bro.
Speaker 1:No talk to me. Hold on, Jarv. What are you taking issue with what I'm saying? Tell me what I'm saying that you feel like is off base.
Speaker 4:Before I even get into that, I want to shout you brothers out. You know what I mean. I love what you guys are doing. Ag, you and I have had our differences. That's in the past. Now we move forward, sean, we build, we move forward. I love what y'all doing. Y'all see me in the chat regularly. Y'all crushing this shit. Tonight, as per usual, I love what I'm seeing. When it comes to what I'm hearing from you, when you came to New York right, you went to Queens. Did you go to Harlem?
Speaker 1:No, I did not get to go to Harlem.
Speaker 4:Because you're giving Harlem hater energy right now. You know, Harlem dudes have a unique ability to compliment you while simultaneously insulting you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, lower East.
Speaker 4:They would tell you, yo, your fit is tough, while also telling you what they wouldn't have worn with that same fit. They just told you was tough. Kendrick Lamar, as far as what you talk about, when it comes to MCing, when it comes to controlling the space, when it comes to emceeing, when it comes to controlling the space, when it comes to being dynamic, everything you talk about Kendrick is doing it. I don't even like this guy like that.
Speaker 4:But every time he shows up, he does all of the things we like our rappers to do. So when I see you here, sometimes defending Aubrey adjacently, I get very confused, because a man of the club as yourself, kenny, represents everything you love about this rap shit.
Speaker 3:Nah, Coop picks a heel and dies on it. He dies on whatever heel he's on. He stays there.
Speaker 4:AG. In fact, the way Kenny responds to certain situations is very Coop-like. So I'm like is it that they're too much alike, that he can't see the vision? What's going on, Coop, Help me understand. They're the same person.
Speaker 1:Let me unpack some of what you said. So, when you're talking about the things that he does, my biggest gripe is that, no, jar, he hasn't really been doing those things in a long time. He does those things on this album. I'm giving him that like. I'm giving him that. That's what I'm saying. It's like, oh no, there is a part of me that is listening to this album today that, like, without any of my arrogance involved, which we all know is involved it's like, oh no, this nigga made this album to shut me the fuck up, so now I have to bring my black ass up here on YouTube and be like man you had to come home.
Speaker 4:That album is really dope.
Speaker 1:No, this is what I asked for. I've been the main one champion for him and it's like yo, all that other Mr Morale, all that concept, go home, make some West Coast shit. This is that. So I have no reason to complain in terms of the aesthetic that he chose. I do think some of the beat choices are questionable. I think the Pac riff because of who he is vocally questionable. But actually and here's the crazy thing about it, and I didn't even get to get to this because I knew you guys had to jump in but I think I may actually have this album rated higher than AG and Sean do. I just didn't get to that because when I rate all the songs, I gave this song, it's 12 records, right. I gave it three fives, I gave it three threes. I gave it three 4.5s and I gave it two 3.5s.
Speaker 2:That's real crazy. I was listening and all I heard was he don't got the juice no more. Creatively, he's run out of mojo.
Speaker 3:Y'all didn't catch it. He made those numbers up on the fly to save himself what I'm saying no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I have my ratings right here and I haven't grabbed my pen. He is not creatively the same guy. I stand on that. His creative juice is not the same. Let's not act like it is People running around thinking Glory is better than Duckworth.
Speaker 3:But why do you have to say that?
Speaker 1:You think Glory is better than Duckworth Come on, but does it? Have to be? Is Squabble up better than Money Tree?
Speaker 5:Why do you have to?
Speaker 1:highlight that. Why do we?
Speaker 2:do that Squabble Up is crazy.
Speaker 3:Don't do that. Squabble Up is great. Now see, you won't be one of them when the Nas and Premier drop like yo. It's not New York State of Mind. You can't do that man.
Speaker 1:First of all, that Defy my Name. Shit is not like it's not, but that's the problem.
Speaker 3:Why do you have to do that, man? First of all, that defy my name. Shit is not like it's not, but that's the problem. Why do you have to highlight that? We know it's not that hold on.
Speaker 1:First of all, the record need to have staying power. I like squabble up. How about this? Let's take it a notch down? Is squabble up even backseat freestyle?
Speaker 5:it doesn't have to be cool.
Speaker 1:I'm not asking you're missing the point first of all, sean AG, get to deal with you all the time Nobody really asks.
Speaker 3:You stuck in 2012,. My G.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about quality of records. No, no, no. If they're saying I'm saying he lost his creative juice, then I'm going to point out the stuff on Good Kid, mad City, to pimp a butterfly and damn, to show that creatively there has been some sort of drop off.
Speaker 3:Squabble Up is one of the best records of this album right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not in my top five. I don't know it's a slapper, but I don't know, if it's one of the best.
Speaker 3:That's not intended to be creative though. Coop, it's a bop, it's a vibe.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the level in which he operates, in terms of the consistency that he makes these quality records and picking that particular sample to make a West Coast slapper is it's crazy. It's crazy Conceptually and creatively. That's part of the package too, of course.
Speaker 5:Thank you. You're getting Debbie Dell from Brooklyn sample to make it and it's a West Coast bop. It's a B-boy. You're a producer, you have a producer's ear.
Speaker 2:Never in my life would I hear that sample and be like yo, I'm going to make a sample.
Speaker 3:I like the genius behind teasing that on the Not Like Us video and it cuts off right before the sample jumps in. So when you hear the sample in real time, you're like oh shit. You know what I mean. Like oh shit.
Speaker 5:Like you know what I mean, and you play it through. Come on, it's a B-boy record that has a West Coast bop. How can you even do that, honestly, as a curator, as someone who makes music, how can you think about a B-boy-centric record?
Speaker 4:That record came out in 83. Isn't B-boy one of the core elements? He's still providing culture, Even if he's not giving you the commentary. He's delivering elements each time out.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, so we talk about how not all fives are created equal, right, Right. I only gave three songs of five on here. I'm bringing up Squabble Up because Squabble Up is actually one of the three songs I gave five to. It's just not the same type of five from him Creatively. It is not the same all-time great genius level.
Speaker 2:it's great for this time when I'm saying is it better?
Speaker 1:when I'm asking, when I'm asking sean and ag, yo, do y'all think freddie album's still better? Well, that's because that's the only album that I've heard this year that I can think of off the top of my head. After listening to this album, that truly competes with this album. So I'm not saying that he's not there. I literally just said before y'all jumped on 85% of him is better than 95%. Just don't tell me it's 100 anymore. I'm cool with the 85. And if he's gonna make albums like this for the rest of whatever his career is, oh no, he is gonna go down top 10, top 5, because even doing this at this stage in the game is hard to do. I'd like to see him do it more often, because this is album number. What on year number?
Speaker 4:what Cool. Let me ask you something.
Speaker 1:Album number what on year number what Album number? Six on year number what?
Speaker 4:I got a question for you, cool. Tell the truth here. Tell the truth, how much of this? Is you still punishing him for that five-year hiatus? Because I remember you when you was in a town portal across the street, you used to get on his ass about that break and I feel like you still ain't let that go. No Big TV energy Guys. I feel like a part of you feels like he had it in 2018. To me, 2024 Kenny and 2018 Kenny ain't that much different as far as what his position in the space, the kind of records he was making. He had Dan. He followed that with the Black Panther soundtrack. Then he left us and I feel like you've been upset with him ever since then.
Speaker 2:You're not being truthful here.
Speaker 3:Let me ask y'all at the Rap Roundtable this, because we and Coop had a whole argument on this show, like as high as he holds Rakim Rakim took the same amount of years off as a break and came back with the 18th letter.
Speaker 4:Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3:The 18th letter is not like that.
Speaker 4:Don't even do that, kenny and Ray hire you all the time.
Speaker 1:First of all, Jar, I'm going to tell you what. First of all, that's an excellent question to ask me, Like real shit. That's an excellent question, AG. Just real quick, I'm going to handle it. I'm going to work in reverse order. Ag. My whole thing with the difference between the breaks is when Rakim left, Rakim was considered by the masses to be the greatest MC of all time. When he left, it was not like that.
Speaker 2:When Kendrick left, in my opinion, Maybe greatest for his generation, but not for this era Jarv when you asked me that that's a little tough, because it was, it was hip hop was what? 10, 15 years old at the time, it's 50 now.
Speaker 3:So when he came back it was a steep decline and kept declining.
Speaker 1:Rock him, no, rock him. His degree of difficulty is easier than Kendrick's in terms of the comeback, because not as much hip hop had existed.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 1:We had less to go off of their mind, making his comeback easier to enjoy than Kendrick's. We had so many more classics by the time Kendrick took a break, as opposed to when Rakim took a break. When Rakim took a break we maybe had like 15 all-time classic albums. You know what I'm saying? 15 to 20 albums, that was like all-time, all-time. But when Kendrick took a break we had 100 of them. So I'm going to give Kendrick that Jar of them. So I'm going to give Kendrick that Jarv. You want to know what You're right. I do hold it against him. You want to know why I hold it against him? It's because I feel like he actually was on a trajectory to be arguably the greatest MC of all time and I do feel like he ruined that when he did take that break. There was no reason whatsoever to take that break. Nobody had ever popped like that Like Nas Hold on Nas Jay Big. None of them have a three album of the year run.
Speaker 3:All I got to say is life happens Coop.
Speaker 1:You know what I dig that I started off this show talking about how life happens to me. You know how many people care when it comes to entertainment, about life happening to you Nobody.
Speaker 1:Not a goddamn person. They just want the entertainment. As a matter of fact, they want what happened to you to come out faster when they know it's happening to you not five years. So, Jarv, I did kind of take it personally in the hip hop level because I didn't think that we would see somebody from the era that he existed in be even capable of challenging Big and Nas and Pac and Jay, and when he left after Damn, he was the only person that I thought could do it. It did stick me somewhere and be like the nervous motherfucker. He had it the way nobody had had it before he could have took it and he left and then he came back and dropped that album, and the album is really what pissed me off, Jarv because if you're going to take a break and then drop that and I still think that, right next to the Dogfather by Snoop, it's the worst album a superstar rapper has ever dropped.
Speaker 1:That's how little I think of that album. I put it next to the Dogfather and Prince of Darkness by Kane. It's one of those albums to me that's tough.
Speaker 4:You know what I see the vision. I can understand that because I was one of those who got on Kenny for taking that break. But you know what, as life happens and we go through our emotions and changes happen and you get to understand how an artist goes about their craft. He's not just a rapper who can write bars. You know, I think, like some of us, because a lot of our hip-hop primes age-wise, we got the witness guys be very prolific in our teens and early 20s. We've seen what hove did and I think that kind of broke the scale. We saw what wheezy did. We saw what the tis did. These guys were active outside. I think when you put a lot of emotion and passion into your art form, sometimes you can't just write bars, and I think that's what happened to Kenny.
Speaker 4:So, hold on, hold on. What did you just say?
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. What did you just say, Jarv? You said when you put all those passion into your bars, sometimes you can't write. That's that for you. You said I'm talking about Jarv. You're not saying anything different than I just said.
Speaker 4:You're just saying it in a more affectionate manner I'm saying that the reality is, when you have an artist like Kenny who puts a certain type of energy into the craft, he can't just make music. Kenny could have probably gave his albums Mad Times, just for the business aspect of it. But think about the album he gave us. Even if I don't like Mr Morale, I don't it's on record. Look at that. He gave us a therapy album, bro. He was fucked up.
Speaker 1:Jarv, let me ask you something.
Speaker 2:I think that album, being the first album that he drops after taking that five-year break, explains the five-year break. I'm on record saying that album was brilliant to me. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. That album was brilliant front to back.
Speaker 3:My son told me today he'd like an album better than the new one. I was like, wait what?
Speaker 2:Mr Murdoch was incredible Writing-wise, musically, conceptually. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:The writing.
Speaker 2:The fact that he that was the theme for the album after the five-year break explains the five-year break, you know I mean. So I feel like people would understand that at some point facts.
Speaker 3:But even if you feel like coop does, this current album is a palate cleanser, so I don't see the problem right and that, and that's my other problem with with coop.
Speaker 2:Right now it's like because he's saying that creatively he don't got it no more, so let let's pull that thread.
Speaker 3:No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2:Let's pull that thread, though. Let's say he's not as creatively inclined as he was before. You know what I mean? Let's say he's not. He doesn't have the level of creativity that he. He's still creatively inclined, but not at the level as he was before. Is that fair? Yes, I think fair.
Speaker 3:Yes, I think it's intentional. I'm not saying that. I think it's intentional. How about?
Speaker 1:this. How about this? Let's go back to Jar's point, sin, right quick, because I hear what you're saying. Let's go back to the break, right quick. I equate the break to like when Ali went to war. When Ted Williams went to war, it's like, no, he just gave up four or five years of his prime. Why would you give up four or five years of your prime? Like those guys? For for different reasons one to serve his country, one to fight against the injustices systemically of his country chose not to fight. They weren't the same Like, like. Even though Ali's the greatest, he's not the same guy. After the war, like. That guy has to be more of a tactician, a thinker, um, a mental game. The guy before the war, the guy before the war was just going to come out and whoop your ass in about five, six, seven rounds.
Speaker 3:Like with the sense point, he explained why he gave up that prime. No, no, no.
Speaker 4:But he just why he gave up that prime. It isn't now. He just came out and just whipped ass and got him out of there early he did.
Speaker 1:You want to know if that's fair. He did come back and whoop ass this year, but that is. But look at it, okay. So look at it like this In the last 10 years, am I wrong for saying that there's been a drop-off? You think?
Speaker 2:I'm wrong In the last 10 years.
Speaker 5:Am I wrong for?
Speaker 2:saying that there's been a drop-off. You think I'm wrong the last 10 years?
Speaker 3:I don't think so it's in the music, because I think that's why you got to go back and listen to man at the Garden, because it's right there. Like he's saying, with all the criticism and stuff, he deserves it all, like everything he's got he's earned it the right way. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's in the music. I'm not saying he hasn't earned it. I'm saying is this stuff as great as his greatest stuff?
Speaker 3:He hasn't earned it the way you want him to earn it.
Speaker 1:No, it has nothing to do with how I want him to earn it. It has to do with the music.
Speaker 1:It's always about the music at the end of the day, Because I don't want this to become a situation where it becomes about me and how I feel. No, it's about the music and what I hear. What I hear is you want to know? Okay, so let's keep it real. I'm going to tell you what. How about this and this is what I mean about it Creatively not being the same. It's like, oh no, the guy that made the nigga that made I Gave you Power and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm gonna call it when I see it. So let's go in and call it about the guy that I got on the top of my list.
Speaker 2:That's the problem, though, because I've never heard you say anything negative about KD3 or any other KD series.
Speaker 3:Honestly, he has said that I can, I can co-sign. He says stuff like that yeah, but here's the thing when you get compared to yourself though, Coop, that's when you reach goat contention status. When you not get compared to the field anymore, you can compare it to your former self. That's goat contention.
Speaker 1:Talking about how hard I am on him, am I not? If I am judging him by the standards by which I think he is, because I did write an article once upon a time after he released, damn, giving him top 10 consideration, and this has presently constituted, I do not know, 15 mcs, all-time greater than kendrick lamar. That would put him in the, in the one percent, less than one percent, of the billions of people who have ever, ever rapped. I just don't have them at like 4, 5, 6, 7, like some other people do.
Speaker 3:But you acted like I was crazy for putting them on my top 10 though.
Speaker 1:No, it's crazy, to me it's crazy to me too, but hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:Let me finish. If you want to say that today, that is more palatable to me today after this battle, because that does check a big box this year. That was not in his repertoire. He is not battle tested until this year, is that fair? Yeah he won this battle, and he won this battle for the most part, even though I picked the other guy. He won this battle in glowing fashion for the most part it was closer to most people give credit for it.
Speaker 1:It wasn't just the most people, it wasn't just a win, it was a victory that deserved a victory. Laugh, it ain't too often you have a victory like that. I'm gonna check that box for him. This album is a dope ass album. For this it's a top five album. I'm going to give him that. So if you want to have a top ten conversation when I have him firmly somewhere between 10 to 15 without this project, that's fine to do. Today, I'm saying prior to it, don't tell me that shit. And I literally have been saying and, ag, shame on you for not knowing this I've literally been saying no, let's wait and see what the next project sounds like. This is the next project we can talk.
Speaker 3:You said that I did.
Speaker 4:Real quick.
Speaker 1:Glory is a reason to talk about his top 10 status. You feel what I'm saying? I love Squabble Up. It is one of my five favorite songs. That's a reason to talk about his top 10 status. Those records when he did hit the mark on here and the album is consistent enough. The production is the weakest part of this album to me. I'm not going to hold that against him, even though he did the beat selection. Obviously the repetitiveness of some of the beats not in love with but as far as he is concerned as an emcee and as far as the execution overall. If you want to have a top 10 conversation now we can.
Speaker 1:The only problem is that the guy that I have, at number 10, just dropped the album the same day as him, that's Ice Cube. Look at how long Ice Cube's been doing this shit and still has a better catalog. That's what I'm saying. You want to have a conversation?
Speaker 3:give us a conversation, okay.
Speaker 2:Ice Cube has a better overall catalog than Kendrick Lamar, no way.
Speaker 4:No way. I love Cube, but I can't say that my thing is when I hear you say oh, he's not as good as and the level is not, et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes we got to and you know you're a person again, because you know I watch you Coop, you know you use a word intention a lot.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's intentional, it's intentional, it's intentional, kenny could have just came outside and gave us Mr Morale again Straight creativity, supersonics, a lot of dark-sounding elements, etc. He could have just done it again. Right, but it's something to be said as an artist and again, I'm the Jay-Z fan here. Part of what I loved about Jay was he was aware of what was going on in New York, even if he was a nationwide act. He knew what the temperature was in the city city and he approached his music in a way that reflected what was happening in the city. To your point.
Speaker 4:Kenny never did that for LA, correct. But then in a situation that comes about with the Canadian and saying I get more love in the city than you when Kenny is 10 toes down in LA, even if he don't make the Sonics represent his relationship, the Canadian is saying I get more love in the city than you when Kenny is 10 toes down in LA, even if he don't make the Sonics represent his relationships. He's like oh, if you want to play that game again, coop, he's a lot like you If you want to play that game. You want to play the Cali game at any point, because I'm that good I can wake up and make a Cali slapper right now. And that's what he did. He didn't need to give you dynamic beat selection. He made a. He covered LA shit. There's shit for Oakland Like Peekaboo's an Oakland record.
Speaker 3:He leaned into that sound.
Speaker 2:And to expand on that thought, my problem with some of the things that Coop was saying and a lot of Kendrick's detractors, is that y'all not going to like him either. Like y'all always going to find something to nitpick at, because it's like if he's on his self-righteous you know what I mean Super conscious shit. Y'all not going to like that. You're going to be like, oh why, why is he talking? Like you know, from this self-righteous, you know high horse or whatever, like that's going to rub you the wrong way, Right, but yeah, and then y'all be saying like yo, he should really do something more for the people and make something more palatable, and that's what he does with this album, and y'all find something to nitpick about that too. So it's like bro's never going to win with y'all.
Speaker 1:Hold on, he's going to get. He's going to get nitpicked about his greatness, though saying I do that with everybody.
Speaker 5:But Coop, that's the same thing that we get pissed off about when we nitpick Nas.
Speaker 3:Yes, thank you, and this is a point I was about Go ahead, sean.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. But I nitpick him too. I've been the one up here saying it all year. I'm like man, I'm like, I'm a fucking Nas preem, I'm dropping nigga.
Speaker 4:But if a non-Nas fan has that same energy in the direction of Nas, that the knobs are out Hold on hold on how. About this?
Speaker 1:though.
Speaker 5:I'm like yo get behind me.
Speaker 1:Let's go. So can I tell you something I don't like about all of this? A lot of my takes come from the perspective of being a fan of his early on. I was in Cali when Section 80 dropped, like on the humble, like within 60 days of it dropping. No, I was in Cali when it dropped, like. I can remember the feeling. I can remember the buzz.
Speaker 1:I can remember when he came to Atlanta to perform at the Tabernacle before Good Kid Mad City even came out before Poetic Justice dropped and I looked at my boss with a straight face and said I'm going to see Kendrick tonight, leaving your ass right here. It's like, who is that? I said, don't worry about it. He got next. So I've been around and so I'm really more speaking from the perspective of somebody that was there when he was making records like she Needs Me and it was getting played, when MTV actually still played videos like that. I remember those times. I remember that guy. That's the guy that I'm drawn to and so, if you really want to know the truth, the guy that exists on to Pippa Butterfly, sincere, like that socially conscious, aware guy, I can't stand that nigga. The nigga on here that's doing the West Coast boogie shit. This that's evolving.
Speaker 2:well, I don't mind the evolution and that's what we talk about on hard part six hold on.
Speaker 1:I think the pimple butterfly is a classic. You're asking me if I like that guy. The answer is no. You're asking me if I like the music. Sometimes ask me if I think it's great. Well, yeah, because I understand what it means and what it represents and where he took it with the album. Is it my shit? No, that's why I've been asking him to make some cali shit, which is actually my point. Well, this album is good because it actually satisfies people like me, like the versions of him that exist on here. Oh, no, give me this guy. Is actually my point. Don't give me the guy on Mr Morale. Don't give me the guy on Pimple Butterfly. Give me the guy from Section 80.
Speaker 2:So you should be content with this project To your point, Tim, because hold on one second.
Speaker 3:Sim brought up a great point with the sound of Self-Righteous or like. You know what I'm saying when he's in that bag of conceptual versus this album, which is more like just vibes and you know dope sonics and leaning into the West Coast Because I was going to ask this earlier. And you know dope sonics and leaning into the west coast because I was going to ask this earlier and you you said sin. That was another great point that he talked about this on evolving past, like the black hippie stuff. You know I'm saying himself as an artist. I think that's the reason why songs like um watch the party die didn't make the cut, because that's more in the vein of that guy.
Speaker 3:You know who makes the, you know I'm saying the preachy, self-righteous songs or whatever. That song caused a lot of waves in the industry but he didn't put it just like we talked about. He didn't put the diss tracks on this record. He didn't put watch the party die on this record because that leans more into that aesthetic. He went for a totally different aesthetic with this record and that's what I appreciate hey, can I say something right quick, because I just had an epiphany about something.
Speaker 1:Jarb, I see you, jarb, fight, take next. You don't get to take everybody with you all the time. I'm bringing up, she needs me. I'm bringing up section 80. I'm bringing up good kid, mad city.
Speaker 2:It's because oh no, I'm a early on fan.
Speaker 1:everybody doesn't come with you all the time for the full journey, though, though, and sometimes people have critiques along the way. Do y'all like let's bring it back to somebody legendary from the West who just dropped the album? Do y'all remember how some people responded when Ice Cube made we Be Clubbin'?
Speaker 2:Right, I remember.
Speaker 4:I like that song though.
Speaker 3:But I remember the backlash.
Speaker 1:Right. First of all, I still think that record's a banger and I love that record. I'm one of the people that came with Cube.
Speaker 3:And it was for the player club soundtrack. It was like. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It was appropriate For the longevity of his career AG, that social commentary that he was given, like with America's Most Wanted, with 3Ks and 90-91, that's not the climate in 95 96. Right, you had to adjust to the times. Everybody doesn't come with you. So some of my squabbles with kendrick pun intended is about me being one of those people. It's like oh no, I prefer the former version more than the latter. I do see more of the former version of this album. That makes me a bigger fan of this album. I said I gave it three fives and three four point fives out of 12 records. That means I think half of this album is. I said I gave it three fives and three 4.5s out of 12 records. That means I think half of this album is fucking brilliant for the most part.
Speaker 2:I guess my question is if you have those feelings that you just spoke about, about To Pimp a Butterfly and about Mr Morale why is your tone not happier about this project? What I was hearing before was oh, he doesn't have the creative prowess that he had with a Mr Morale or a To Pimp a Butterfly or a Dan. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So it's like you're still finding something to he's fighting the fans instead of you know he's fighting Kendrick.
Speaker 2:He's finding something to shit on him about.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's shitting on Kendrick. I think he's trying to right the shit from the fans over exaggerating Kendrick's greatness. So Cook feels like it's on his shoulders to like swing the pendulum far in the other direction to bring a balance.
Speaker 1:So, sin, here's where you and I defer. The only thing that I like about Mr Morale is the writing. I think the rest of it is no good. I think To Pimp a Butterfly even though it's not the type of hip-hop that I normally listen to, I think that album is a masterclass on a few levels, about a few things, and what I'm saying is that the guy that made to pimp a butterfly can't make a master class of an album like that anymore, and mr morale is the proof to that for me, and so once I know that you can't execute that again, it's like well, no, give me this instead. That's why I've been asking for the west coast shit. If this is the level that he exists at, I actually think that this is a 4.25 guys do you think that he came close to executing damn?
Speaker 3:because I think damn is his most versatile record. It's my son's favorite record by him. You know I'm saying because you know he's, he's 17 and I think this is another easy listening, versatile record in the vein of damn.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's as good, but to me it accomplishes the same thing so I put this album rating wise closer to section 80 because I think damn is better, because, even though this album does a lot of the same things as damn, damn has more classic songs. In my opinion. I do think Duckworth is better than Gloria. That's my favorite.
Speaker 1:I do think love is better than Luther. You know what I'm saying. I think element and feel rhyme wise is a level that doesn't get touched on this album outside of maybe, that third verse. I'm not a big fan of fear, like everybody else, but it is one of the better joints on there, so I would put this under damn somewhere right next to section 80. And section 80 was something where it's like well, you saw flashes of the brilliance that was to come, and I'm just saying I think we're on the other side of the spectrum, like we got the brilliance in spades with Good Kid Mad City to Pimp a Butterfly and Damn.
Speaker 1:No matter which album is your favorite, no matter how you feel about it, those albums hit the mark consistently song-wise, theme-wise, cultural-wise, impact-wise, theme wise, cultural wise, impact wise. This album's closer to section 80 in the fact that it's like oh no, you can see that the guy is the shit, but it's more the flashes of the talent and spurts of it than it being as consistently great as those three projects. Mr morale is beneath all of them, in my opinion okay.
Speaker 3:Well, this is not just a question for you, coop, it's a question for everybody. So if, with the exception of seeing, if we're all in agreement, that Mr Morale is his worst effort, does Kendrick, with this album included, have a top ten discography of all time? I say yes.
Speaker 1:No, he's got six albums. How can you say that?
Speaker 3:Anybody else want to ask?
Speaker 4:If you think about Section 80, good kid, Even if I don't like To Pimp a Butterfly for my own preference purposes'm with you, it's up there it's in the lexicon of rap. We gotta call it what it is. Then you come back with dan, which was a monster. It was what it was. You still have. Was it untitled, that joint that everyone? Titled all right, you could come back with mr morale again. A 3.5 from kenny. It's a five for thousands of other rappers oh, so, so, so.
Speaker 1:So I have a question. I actually have a few questions, because I like to look at this album from a few perspectives. The way that I rated this album. I rated this album from the perspective of him being an all-time great mc. Has in a top 15 to 20 MC all-time. In my opinion Actually, I'm sorry, a top 10 to 15 MC all-time. I want to be careful about what I'm saying. When we had this talk earlier this year, after the battle was settled, the conversation was oh well, cooper, where do you have him? It's like oh no, I can slide him comfortably somewhere between 10 to 15. I'm just partial to guys like ghostface, scarface and cube and I still think that all of those guys have better catalogs than him. And that's my whole thing, I think what we saw is with the butterfly hold on jarb real quick.
Speaker 1:The five-year break is about passing scarface and ice cube and ghostface, like those guys. If he doesn't take the break, I think I have him ahead of those guys and he is somewhere like five, six, seven.
Speaker 4:I think he's on his way. I think what we, what we saw with Mr Morales and the big step is that, was him getting back in shape. You know you take a five year gap. That won the sound exchange when he left in 2017, 2018. What rap sound like didn't sound like that anymore and he had certain elements. Whether Sin wants to agree or not, there were certain elements of the previous sound that he was trying to bring in with what was happening when that album dropped. I think he's fully entrenched in hip-hop right now, especially in his city. I think he's fully back in shape. I think the best thing that happened to him was one us as a culture mostly saying this album ain't it, and then people getting comfortable, like Cole jumping out the window to say this album ain't it. Then Aubrey telling him to drop. Aubrey was playing in his face. That is. The true story of this battle was that Aubrey did not take Kenny seriously.
Speaker 5:And he found out. Right.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Same thing happened to Jay.
Speaker 1:Same thing happened to Jay.
Speaker 4:Alright, but I think Kenny is back in shape now. I thing happened to Jay Alright, but I think Kenny is back in shape now. I think this project right here is the perfect situation of a rapper who got his legs back under him. He understands what's expected of him, he has a city on his back and I think even the next project, I think whatever he gives us next is going to be the conversation where we're like oh shit, this is the album. I think you know how we all you saw what KD3 did to us in unison. I think the next album that's going to be the one where we're like oh, he's wild.
Speaker 3:But it looks like it's right around the corner because he did that teaser with that song. That's not even on here.
Speaker 4:He's in shape now. He wasn't in shape before, but he's back in shape now.
Speaker 3:Do y'all agree I don't know if y'all was on here in the chat, but with the point I made earlier, what J Cole did on Might Delete later lyrically was better than what Kendrick's doing here, but this album is overall better. Right there it is, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:There it is Well, yeah, because Hold on, hold on, cole can't make these records. That's the thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like there's levels, there's levels to the that's the feeling of the records.
Speaker 2:Like the catalog of styles that you can pull from. You know what I mean. Cole got maybe two, three styles. You know what I mean. Kenny will have five, six, seven styles. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He's showcasing wild styles. On this album Kenny's got more styles and I don't know, sin, if you heard some of my late notes Actually I don't know what part y'all heard, but I read my notes on Glory and I read that vocally. I was super impressed with him on this entire performance outside of reincarnating Vocally. Sometimes I don't always agree with some of the stuff that he does and tries. I feel like he hit the mark vocally on this album. Style-wise, he's always had cold beat.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you all something and I know this because I'm from Charlotte, my family's from Charlotte, even though I was raised mostly in Atlanta and I obviously spent time in Charlotte as well. Do you think Kenny's ability to get in multiple bags has something to do that he comes from a hip-hop culture and climate from Compton, california that allows him to jump in a bag like this? Like I say this respectfully about my home state, north Carolina doesn't have much of a bag you want. North Carolina has a bunch of niggas from Queens and Brooklyn that moved to North Carolina and made it kind of east coastish. You know what I'm saying? I I say that from knowing it well.
Speaker 1:Does Cole suffer from where he comes from, as opposed to Kendrick in terms of being able to craft out a style, because I've been asking Kendrick to make a West Coast album like this, because I don't feel like he's made one since Good Kid Mad City, but also because I've been to Cali, I know what the climate sounds like. I like what the climate sounds like. I like what the climate sounds like. I like the shit that they ride to. I feel that shit I always have. Does Cole suffer from that Stylistically? Is he losing some of this because of where he's from?
Speaker 4:No, I think he's just not a killer. We got to stop finding qualifiers. He's not a killer. Heart don't got region. Either it's in you or it's not in you.
Speaker 2:I think what Coop is asking more so is like the rhyme styles, the variety of styles, I don't know. I think I might agree with Coop on that point.
Speaker 3:It's hard to agree with Coop I hate it.
Speaker 1:It's like a nigga. First of all, that's the first time Sins ever said that.
Speaker 3:Like a nigga twisting your arm and shit.
Speaker 2:I don't think that you need to be time stamping. Y'all gotta time stamp it I am time stamping that Sins.
Speaker 1:That's the first time Sins ever said that.
Speaker 4:Hey, I just feel like he don't need to have multiple bags. If you good at what you do, you don't need to be that much dexterous.
Speaker 1:Oh, we can't say that when we value big way. Too much for you to say that.
Speaker 4:Hit me out, because at the point of Mike Deleete later, the conversation surrounding J Cole was where exactly he landed, as far as one, two or three and in a lot of conversations at the moment of he was number one. And he didn't do that with a bunch of bags. He did it doing what he did. If he was hitting you with elbow pull-ups, it was elbow pull-up from the left side, elbow pull-up from the right side.
Speaker 3:He stayed in the middle house.
Speaker 4:If I feel good, I'm going to shoot the three.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. That's the difference between a Kobe and a Tim Duncan.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is Hold on, I got something for you. Here's why I'm wildly fair about all this. When you're talking about Cole ascending to that position, I have been sitting in here in this chair saying, nah, this mission is not complete until you drop an album that reflects all these verses.
Speaker 3:I've been hard on him. It don't matter now, Pooh. He gave up his position.
Speaker 1:I've been saying it on this show all year I'm like this nigga better make an album that's what I was trying to get to. Adriel, like I know what you look like in 16, 24, and 30.
Speaker 4:But Cole didn't lose his spot because he didn't have a bag. He lost his spot because he had no heart bro.
Speaker 3:He gave it up. If he dropped two in a row, it don't matter. No, listen to what I'm saying. That's what I feel about. I get worked up about.
Speaker 4:Listen to what I'm saying no. I think y'all are missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I'm being hard on Kenny. It's like, well, I've been hard on Cole too, because why everybody? Been looking around saying he's the hardest nigga, he's the best nigga. I've been the nigga sitting over here saying where is the fucking album that reflects all of this lyrical talent that everybody is glorifying? Because doing it in 16, 24, and 32, and 48 is fucking fine. You don't think Mike DeLito was a step towards that? No, because this shit sounds better, even for the critiques that I'm giving.
Speaker 3:He's talking about the fall off.
Speaker 4:Even the fall off. I feel like Mike DeLito, was getting towards the fall off.
Speaker 3:But I don't care how good the fall off is, he's not going to leapfrog Drake or Kendrick at this point.
Speaker 1:Here's the problem GNX is probably Kendrick's fourth or fifth best album, and it's better than everything that Cole has made, in my opinion, except for Born Center and Forest Hills Drive. And that's the fucking problem. Am I right about that?
Speaker 3:Do you agree on?
Speaker 1:that? That that's the real fucking problem here.
Speaker 3:Yo Sid. I want to know where you rank these albums from Kendrick. You're the biggest Kendrick fan here. Where would you put GNX in his discography?
Speaker 2:For that y'all will have to tune in tomorrow. I'm sure we're going to continue talking about this on our lives and I got to think about, I got to think on it a little bit. You know a little bit harder of course, and yeah, but tune in tomorrow, Sin?
Speaker 1:where do you have Kendrick all time? Where is he for you?
Speaker 2:Now pretty easily top five for me.
Speaker 4:Top five. What Top?
Speaker 1:five. Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on.
Speaker 3:I got him at 10 solid.
Speaker 1:Who's ahead of him in your?
Speaker 2:opinion. I got him at 10 solid. Who's ahead of him in your opinion? Biggie?
Speaker 1:Nas Jay and who's the fourth person?
Speaker 3:Rakim no, no, no Ghost.
Speaker 1:Biggie Nas Jay Scarface.
Speaker 4:You sure Ghost is ahead of him.
Speaker 2:How did I just forget my top five?
Speaker 4:Who do I?
Speaker 2:have.
Speaker 5:Okay, hold on.
Speaker 2:So me personally it's Big Nas J Common.
Speaker 4:Common Tom.
Speaker 2:And Kendrick.
Speaker 3:So you got Big as the goat.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I don't know, it's tough. It's tough, he's the best.
Speaker 1:I get what you're saying, Sam. He's the best MC we've all heard in a vacuum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:So in my personal top five four I got. Common. This guy loves Common bro.
Speaker 2:I had Common and Ghostface in my top five.
Speaker 3:Okay, so the Auditorium, or GNX.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing, gnx, I was talking about. Hold on, hold on. Answer that question, son. Hold on, hold on, I'll get there. But I've been talking to these fellas all year about somebody's going to have to like, since Kendrick has been running 2024, somebody will have to move out of my top five and it was going to be Common or Ghostface.
Speaker 1:And based on the albums Ghost drop this year.
Speaker 2:It had to be Ghostface and it hurt me. It hurt me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Sean should have a tear on that.
Speaker 2:Come on, I have to move him out.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry you got Calm at four. I love Calm. I have Kendrick ahead of Common. Matter of fact, when I did my list earlier this year, I slid Kendrick and Common right next to each other, but outside of the 10.
Speaker 2:Common to me just embodies, bars, lyricism, just the B-boy energy battles. He went at it with Q, he beat Q. He went at it with Drake. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He lost out.
Speaker 2:What are your five favorite Common albums?
Speaker 1:What are Common's five best albums to you, in order?
Speaker 2:B and Like Water for Chocolate One and two. Those can interchange. One and two. One A, one B. Find it Forever Big fan. That's my number three. What's this? One One Day.
Speaker 1:It'll All Make Sense. That's my number three.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, what's this one? Uh, one day it'll all make sense. And of course, uh, you know, um resurrection, resurrection.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I got the same five but you didn't answer the question auditorium or GNX? What do you got?
Speaker 2:Uh, y'all going to have to tune into Y'all going to have to tune in to.
Speaker 4:Nah, don't do that, because you know you ain't answering that question on your own, I don't.
Speaker 5:Listen, GNX just dropped two days ago.
Speaker 4:bro, I can't answer that, yet I got to live with it. I got to live with it.
Speaker 2:I got to live with it. If I'm being honest, right now it's still the auditorium.
Speaker 3:There you go, because GNX just came out two days ago, but let me live with it for a little bit longer, you trying to plug people over to your live, knowing you ain't going to say shit about Common tomorrow?
Speaker 5:He's from Brooklyn, right, he's from Manhattan.
Speaker 3:I asked that question, not Jarv. You know Jarv ain't going to bring up Common tomorrow.
Speaker 5:He's from Harlem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, makes sense. I mean, that was going to be the topic tomorrow.
Speaker 4:You're touching the auditorium, bro.
Speaker 2:Year end. We are going to be talking about albums of the year next month, kenny ain't going to be in that list for me.
Speaker 3:John hold his feet to the fire for us, you know. So he'll answer that question.
Speaker 1:Have y'all rated this album? Because y'all went live yesterday, I started catching some of the episodes.
Speaker 2:That was a pretty rough reaction.
Speaker 4:More of a reaction than a rating, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:I didn't get too far into it. I'm more into breaking it down. But I'll tell y'all right now spoiler it ain't going to be on my album of the year list. It's good, it's really good.
Speaker 1:How come, when I say it's good, it's not okay, but when you say it's?
Speaker 3:good, it's not okay.
Speaker 5:I don't like your tone when you say it.
Speaker 3:I don't like your tone Do the other fellas like it? Does Deenie and Mase like it?
Speaker 4:Universally. We all rock with the album. I personally I got Schoolboy still as my album of the year. I think that Gibbs has made big leaps with his project. I think Stabbed and Shot 2 is up there for me as well. That's the New York bias in me. I feel like more people need to listen to Stabbed and Shot 2. But GNX is up there, but I got albums ahead of it.
Speaker 3:I got Gibbs and Rhapsody ahead of this Kendrick person.
Speaker 1:You got the future Metro album. We Don't Trust you. Ahead of this album, nah.
Speaker 4:Okay, nah.
Speaker 1:But you got Blue Lips ahead. Love Blue Lips, I got Blue Lips.
Speaker 3:Cali is running this year Coop. They really are.
Speaker 4:I think Blue Lips is jarring for some people, but because I've been following Schoolboy, I think this was the natural progression for his career. Bro, I think this album is a sonical adventure.
Speaker 2:Let's call it what it is Jorv is a low-key, closeted Schoolboy. Q stan no.
Speaker 1:Q's my favorite guy. He can't do no wrong, no no, no, Q's my favorite guy from the crew. I just don't think he's as good as Crash Talk, Blankface or Oxy.
Speaker 2:Moron it's clear it's Crash Talk. I probably like it better than Crash Talk.
Speaker 3:I like how it was highlighted on Hard Part 6 about Q not even wanting to rap at first. That was.
Speaker 4:Hold on, Hold on. Real quick Crash Talk got recorded in Atlanta.
Speaker 1:It has an Atlanta sound, so I can see why I might gravitate to it.
Speaker 2:Y'all do. That's how.
Speaker 4:Lil Baby ended up on water and all that. I got a lot of. I love TI, I love Future. I don't have no issues with Atlanta. I like to poke the bed. When Atlanta get to talking about New York, then New Yorker gotta talk about Atlanta. That's all Yo cool.
Speaker 5:Number one, right now too.
Speaker 1:You need to watch your tone. Stop bringing up that glow shit. And I like goals album. I'm not changing my take on that, Sean. It's a good album of the year.
Speaker 5:You said it was a contender. You said it was a contender.
Speaker 1:It was a contender at the time.
Speaker 4:I mean, who else is in the ring for Memphis? Who else dropped fire from Memphis on that caliber?
Speaker 1:Thank you, that was my whole point. This is the best album you're going to get out of Memphis. She sounds Memphis. This is a lot of bull. No, no, you don't respect Memphis in this climate man.
Speaker 3:You didn't say this is the best album out of Memphis. You said this is the best album of the year.
Speaker 2:No, I did not. You know, whenever Coop say something, it sounds like some 80s shit Hold the tape.
Speaker 4:That's from Harlem. That's why I'm like yo, you show you this and you ain't go to Harlem, bro, you a Harlem nigga Coop.
Speaker 1:I do love.
Speaker 4:Dame, I love Dame, that I love Dame.
Speaker 3:This is the best you're going to get out of.
Speaker 2:Memphis. I love Dame, I love Big L, I love Cam. Children of the Corn. You want to know what? There you go. I used to run with all them, bad boy niggas from Uptown robbing all his people, yeah, rip.
Speaker 1:Robbins RIP. We're going to tune in tomorrow to see how y'all are actually rating the album. Y'all rating the album tomorrow. What are y'all doing tomorrow? Tell us.
Speaker 4:We're going to break it down, kind of similar to what you guys did today, as far as breaking it down Really before, now that we've had time to listen to it, like, all right, let's parse the numbers now. Let's get our analytics going.
Speaker 1:Hold on, jarv. Let me ask you something, because you appear to be more on the critical side of this album, even though you're saying that it's good, don't try to lump them in with you, coop.
Speaker 3:Don't do this.
Speaker 1:First of all, ag, nobody asked you. That's why this question is for Jarv, who tried to find allies. No, no, did find it to get more brilliant progressively with each one. What do you all feel about that?
Speaker 2:Because by the time I got to the third listen I was like oh OK, we got something here.
Speaker 2:Kind of the same and I'll yeah, I'll get more into this, this conversation, tomorrow probably. But after several listens, like now, I know you have to know where an artist is going and on first listen if you don't know exactly where he's going and he's not going to a place that you expect him to go, it's a little jarring at first. But now when I know, oh, this is what he's going for, this is the sound and the vibe and the energy he's going for, he's putting on for Cali, I consume it, but I consume it in a different way.
Speaker 4:Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1:Hold on real quick, jarv. But as somebody who critiques music, do you dock for that? For me, part of why I love Equipment I buy Outkast is because I feel like they do a wonderful job on that album of immediately pulling you into their world and never letting you out.
Speaker 2:Well, well, here's the thing. And again, you're going to hate this, but like that was me. The first time I heard Mr Murad, like I was immediately in that world, I was immediately in in whatever he was going through, I was immediately there, and the way that he gave you the journey through that, I was there for the entire ride.
Speaker 1:Sin, I never thought I would say this. I want to hear Jarv talk.
Speaker 4:Why do you sanction that album, bro? I just don't understand.
Speaker 1:I don't get it either.
Speaker 3:Like Sin, we don't agree on a lot of shit If you've been to the live show I was at the live show it makes me appreciate that album more.
Speaker 1:I have so much trouble understanding because I know that your ear is solid. I know you got a dope rap ear.
Speaker 4:I know you know your shit, yeah, but he's not to be trusted when Kendrick is the topic. I've been saying it for years now.
Speaker 3:I think it was Kendrick's worst, but going to the live show made me appreciate the album more.
Speaker 4:That's fair. I mean the live soundings will change it. The energy, the emotions he puts into it, I can understand.
Speaker 1:Nobody care about all that when you got to ride around to it in your car first though Nah it never passed the car test.
Speaker 3:It's a therapy album. It's not meant to be played in the whip. Hold on real quick.
Speaker 2:Everything doesn't need a car test.
Speaker 3:And everything doesn't need a car test. Hold on, that's a couch album. It's a therapy album.
Speaker 1:Hold on Stan, I promise. I'm going to drop it after this. I was interviewing Chris the Glove Taylor when that album was out and he was in Cali in LA. I asked him if they were playing that album in LA. He was like I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 3:So to that point, Coop, everybody in Cali is playing G and X right now.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying so, I was right.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me I was right.
Speaker 4:Okay, great. Who's going to play? We Cry Together in public. Who's?
Speaker 3:going to play. We Cry Together in public.
Speaker 4:Who still plays? We Cry Together right now. Who's going to play Worldwide?
Speaker 2:Steppers in public. That's not a joint. You play on the block. You don't play that in a car. You don't play that in the streets. Come on, bro, it doesn't. But everything doesn't have to be for the same place all the time. I understand that there's stuff that can have a different place, and if it's not places that y'all be at or y'all want to go, then that's fine you know what I mean, but if y'all don't allow, y'all mind to go to where Kendrick went to. On that album.
Speaker 4:That's a new problem. You don't get to judge people because they don't like a mint album. It was a three and a half bro.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying, I'm not judging.
Speaker 2:Three and a half is a fair rate, but I feel like y'all judging me for liking it and I'm just saying y'all, I was judging you for not being an impartial judge. It's not. There's nothing wrong with my being impartial or impartial. That's not the issue. The issue is that I was on the wavelength of this album and y'all weren't, and y'all gonna take that as Y'all gonna take that as some type of what is this dismissiveness?
Speaker 4:It's not dismissive. I was on the wave, so you was on some mid shit. You was smoking red shit.
Speaker 3:Yo, I gave it a three and a half too, and my homie told me I was being way too generous.
Speaker 1:I was like so you got Big Nas J, common Kendrick Ghostface. Where do you have Rakim KRS-One? Cool G Rapping King, common Kendrick Ghostface. Where do you have Rakim KRS-One?
Speaker 2:Cool G Rap and Kane New York.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I'd have to watch it out they probably got Andre 3000 in there somewhere.
Speaker 4:He's got three seconds, or any of those guys in your top ten.
Speaker 2:Rakim is definitely in my top ten, possibly G-Rap, but he wasn't as impactful as Rakim was. No, yeah, but I mean you're kind of putting me on the spot, right now, I'm just asking.
Speaker 1:You're not talking about top 10s.
Speaker 2:I didn't have a list ready for you, okay.
Speaker 1:Crazy.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to get the spotlight off him, Sid he making it hot for you, hold on it. I'm trying to get the spotlight off him. Sid he making it hot for you, hold on, it's a diversion.
Speaker 1:AG, AG, AG. Stop saying that. When I rank the album higher than you did, I gave it a 4.25.
Speaker 3:Of course you're going to try to save yourself and say, matter of fact, I haven't gave my rating. It's higher than these guys.
Speaker 4:I rated all the songs you rated it like you wanted it to be trash, like fuck. This song is good, damn. This song is good too. God damn this song is still good.
Speaker 1:So I tell you what, when I got through with the third track, I was like, oh no, I was like I'm not going to be able to talk no shit about this album because these first three songs are bangers.
Speaker 3:That's exactly how I felt, and for the record Coop and for the record Coop you're on wax the meat of the garden hey Coop for the record, you're on wax at your formal place saying that Mr Morale was a four. It's on wax.
Speaker 1:I said I'll give it a four about the writing. I said, but I don't feel like it's a four. I said if I was rating it for me I'd give it a three. I remember what I said, so finish my comment if you're going to recite me, sir, A four is a four, Nice try.
Speaker 3:He gave me caveats.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Me and Mike decided on a four. Go check the comments. I said for me personally, I said I think it's a three. I remember what I said. Nice try though.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:We'll check it. Go check the tape. We'll check it out. Don't check the tape. Don't check the tape. I very vividly remember the words that came out of my mouth, unless you want to tell me, you remember me better than me.
Speaker 3:Okay, we'll see. Hey, we can put some money up.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you said Mike's going to get into a four.
Speaker 1:I got 500 on that. I got 500 on that. Right now you taking the bet.
Speaker 3:We can. We can put somebody on it. You gave it a 3 for your official rating 500 now, 500 right now. Take a lead nah, cause you gonna try to get it. On a caveat you said it was a 3 for your official rating. That's what you said it was.
Speaker 1:I said when me and Mike talked about it, I said for me personally, I think it's a 3. I said, but the writing is so supreme. I said if you want to say that it's a 4, we we can give it a four. I said I think it's a three, okay.
Speaker 3:But you gave it a four. You agree the?
Speaker 1:hip-hop gave it a four, sir, as you can tell.
Speaker 3:Who be trying to get you on semantics and shit.
Speaker 1:First of all, shout out to Jarvis for warping the court in the hip-hop's ass and the numbers.
Speaker 5:That's nasty, you don't care.
Speaker 1:I'm off papers tomorrow baby, Let freedom ring.
Speaker 4:Nigga Mad Max in the chat. You know he with that jersey now.
Speaker 1:So you know he's going to go run. Tell that, trust me. We be seeing him going playing ball and scoring three points.
Speaker 4:Three points. You think he dropping 40, but I digress.
Speaker 1:Max, I love you gang.
Speaker 3:He might be drinking a 40, he might be drinking a 40, but that's not a big deal. Yo shout out to Max. Max came through with about 100 in Super Chat, so I'm good with Max.
Speaker 4:Max get me tight, but I could never really talk too bad about it because he put his money where his mouth is. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, you want to know what you and I will always give him credit for being a supporter of the cause of hip-hop and supporting all of everything that we do independently, without anybody else's help. So I will give him that. And he don't know shit about Rap Jar. He know way, way less than us. He don't know shit.
Speaker 4:Well listen, I'd rather him be a regular than another guy who's crashing out. But yeah, y'all can get me to talk in the night, but you know.
Speaker 1:Don't even do that, don't even do that You're not the people to crash down.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, Yo, Sid. We seen the clip. I got to send it to you. It's mad funny. But this project right here, I think Kenny's in position to really make every person, including Coop, who questioned him, look real sideways about their five and maybe even their top threes.
Speaker 1:Can I tell you something? I am of some of the train of thought that you have Jarv. I am afraid about what the next album will sound like if he will release it in some sort of reasonable time frame it's in the next six to nine months because he's definitely in shape. He just won a battle. He just dropped a high-quality album that is one of the five best albums this year in my opinion. So he is prime. It does make me have to stop. I'm gonna have to look at the back end of my top 10 where ghostface, scarface and ice cube reside and take a look. If he drops a project that is comparable to this and or better in my opinion and, like I said, if you want to have a conversation right now, I'll still take ice cubes early, run over everything that he's done because he is responsible for Straight Outta Compton.
Speaker 4:Ice Cube's early run over Kenny right now. No, no, no I'm talking overall OK.
Speaker 3:Classics for classics, I think is what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Straight Outta Compton is more important than everything Kenny's made. Some of that is about being there first, and I understand that. But Straight Outta Compton is more important. I think America's Most In-Depth Certificate are on par with Good Kid Mad City and To Pimp a Butterfly, and I think Kill that Will is better than Damn. That's me personally.
Speaker 4:I think GNX is going to be a very important album. I think it's still very early, but I think this is going to be a checkpoint album in the conversation of his career.
Speaker 1:GNX makes it conversational with Ice Cube is what I'm saying. It's like I got Cube at 10. If you're telling me he's shit-looking like Cube, you know what I'm saying. Ice Cube is also still dropping music. Even though his album is not as good as this GNX, it is a pretty good effort for somebody that's been in the game as long as he has.
Speaker 3:I told Sean I'm going to say this on air but I'm going to go ahead anyway. But I just didn't want to draw certain comparisons or whatever. But take this with just a slight grain of salt. Like I said, for me, this album remember when Nas dropped the surprise magic on Christmas Eve? And then on Ugly he said KD3 on the way is just to feed the buzz. I really feel like that's the sentiment of this album. Let me get a surprise drop, feed the people and then whatever comes next is going to be KD3-ish, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:First of all, I don't think that's happening, but I'm a hater.
Speaker 5:according to UAG, but I do want to address something.
Speaker 1:I do not like some of the tone, and this is something I did dock a little bit. I do not like how he is trying to talk on here like he is some sort of underdog. When he starts off this album, my only nod is congratulating me. It's like first of all, nigga, I was there from the jump. People have been congratulating you since you walked in the fucking door. Don't do that in year 15. Stop acting like people.
Speaker 3:Even Jay, has acted like an underdog at some point AG.
Speaker 1:Let me finish if you don't mind go ahead.
Speaker 4:We know that everybody don't matter.
Speaker 1:He needs to stop acting like people no, he been getting congratulations and salutations for the last 15 years straight without a fucking break. He don't need to play no underdog. No, I was the only person to congratulate. Stop that shit, nigga. You know what that?
Speaker 3:That's like that bullshit, lauren.
Speaker 1:You know what that is. That's like that shit, lauren. Kicked on nobody.
Speaker 4:I'm saving the world. Because I'm talking about my late.
Speaker 3:We talking about you being late because you were in a but that was a true statement, though he was the only person who thanked him publicly or to Jordan and I took it personally you know, I mean like sometimes you got to create that edge for yourself.
Speaker 1:That's what was jay doing on the blueprint, you know. I mean hold on, he was acting like the underdog, hold on sin. I said in my notes when I was talking to ag about man at the garden. I said no, he is, he has. I do not think he's the goat, but he has a competitive fire like he is the greatest of all time, and I do acknowledge that and I put that in my notes and I said it live tonight. So I'm not trying to take that away from him. He does have. He does have. I don't think he's the goat, I don't think he's top five. He does that have that level of competitive fervor and fire and I think the battle that he won this year is the prime example of it in terms of his ability to showcase that, because I never believed no boogeyman shit until he just did what he did. I'm like boogeyman, I'm like nigga. Please, you ain't never boogied on nobody.
Speaker 4:But, he got that.
Speaker 2:I got a slide, so maybe I'm not the one that shouldn't be trusted about.
Speaker 4:Kendrick, maybe it's y'all. I couldn't see it ahead of time.
Speaker 3:Equally not trustable.
Speaker 4:We can't trust you either, Stan. When it comes to Kenny, I haven't been wrong about Kenny, yet Kenny does all the things we, like. You said, mr.
Speaker 1:Moreno was good.
Speaker 3:I hear what you're saying Jarv, he checks all the boxes. I got him at 10. I think he's getting to the place where he's almost not even debatable in top 10 status. I have him at 10, but I'm going to reevaluate my back half of that 10, because the only thing that holds him back is his voice for me. You know what I'm saying. Every other rapper on my list got a better voice.
Speaker 4:Let's go back to control. As far as being an MC hold on, hear me out as far as being an MC coming out beat-up saying I'm him. We love that type of shit, the straight, the beat-up freestyle. He called Aubrey out in the freestyle. He did the rapper thing. The 10 years of distance that they traded with one another, kenny. At every point of Kenny's career, whether I like his music or not, I have to acknowledge that he does the things that we like. So it's like now when he's deciding to really lean into the shit that we like, we want to start nitpicking how good he is. Nah, he been this, he been this guy.
Speaker 1:Hold on, jar, when you're saying he does the things that we like. Can you just clarify that a little further?
Speaker 3:He checks all the boxes cool.
Speaker 4:Back in our day, when we had our hoes and our nazes and our state props and our D-blocks and our dungeon families. We go out west to the death row homies. The energy, the competitive fervor has always been there. That's part of the reason we love this shit Right, and he's always had it. He's got that. We called him the boogeyman in the first place, who used to come outside saying wild shit and nobody rapped back. Kenny.
Speaker 3:I didn't buy into that until this battle the whole boogeyman thing. I didn't buy into that until this battle the whole boogeyman thing.
Speaker 1:I didn't buy into that, but I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying, cole, don't do that. Aubrey, don't do that. Aubrey will accept the challenge, but Aubrey, don't shake the table how about this?
Speaker 1:my thing about the battle and the reason that I chose Drake. Everything that you're saying is spot on, jarv, except for one thing. In my opinion, drake has actually made more records like that than Kendrick, even though Kendrick embodies and represents it for the culture more. But Drake's been the one that's been making the records like it and that's why I picked him, because think about this prior to this album, two of the last three albums we got were really concept albums, and that's the Pimple Butterfly and Mr Morale, with Damn In Between.
Speaker 4:So that fervor that you're talking about Drake has been representing or a high-ass steakhouse. You know what I'm saying? Drake is telling you he's McDonald's and we accept that Sometimes we want a double cheeseburger, but every now and again you want some good steak.
Speaker 3:I want a filet-o-fish. He's got a double Big Mac. I mean the chicken Big Mac.
Speaker 4:That's all I'm saying, and I felt that Drake had a chance. Drake got a three-peat from KFC this year is what he got, Because to me, Drake rapped Like I said on our pod. I felt like he took as an opponent Pusha.
Speaker 1:to me, drake rapped like I said it on our pod, I felt like he took as an opponent, push a team more seriously than kendrick, as far as the respect was different understand why he took that approach how can you say that like no, this, okay so, when sin is saying the same things that he's saying about mr morale?
Speaker 1:drake is my answer for why those things aren't true. Because drake was hearing the things getting said on mr Morale and was thinking to himself the same thing. I was thinking. Which is man, I got this nigga faded on some rap shit and I never thought that was going to happen.
Speaker 4:He didn't rap that way, alright. So boom In the same, because it's kind of crazy, the similarities In the same scenario with Nas and Jay. Jay thought that Nas was out of here, right, or?
Speaker 3:Nostradamus yeah.
Speaker 4:Did he try to? Go shake ass and say drop, drop. Or did he throw a haymaker on the takeover? He tried to get Nas out of there.
Speaker 1:Oh no, he tried to get rid of him.
Speaker 4:Drake never threw the haymaker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've heard you guys Go ahead, coop.
Speaker 1:Just real quick, jarv. I did say on this show that Drake played and failed the situation. The same way Jay failed on the takeover. You don't make two verses about Prodigy and one verse about Nas. What the fuck are you smoking?
Speaker 5:That's hindsight that's hindsight In real life, Prodigy was that guy.
Speaker 4:You're the king, you have to have foresight.
Speaker 1:You don't get hindsight. You have to have foresight when you're the king. That's why you're king, that's why I'm saying that.
Speaker 4:Jay wouldn't play in his face. Jay didn't play in Nas' face. He thought that Nas was out of here and he said this guy's lame and his albums don't hit. He checked every box as a rapper to diss another guy. Drake never did that. Drake was playing, he was trolling on Instagram.
Speaker 2:He was doing.
Speaker 4:AR verses with Snoop voice and Tupac voice and shit. When did he really rap at Kenny?
Speaker 3:Not until Family Matters Coop.
Speaker 4:And even then at Family Matters, the nigga is singing to Kenny and then when Kenny punched him again. Now he want to rap on the Hot Part 6. It's too late by then. You got stepped on already.
Speaker 1:So you're saying it's too little, too late.
Speaker 4:Where was the Dumpy? He didn't have a Dumpy freestyle at no point in this process Right.
Speaker 1:A Dumpy freestyle definitely would have helped in this.
Speaker 3:I like Dumpy better than Adidon personally, but Adidon was more damaging.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Adidon's more.
Speaker 2:You're right, dumpy's a better record than Adidon well, look, we have to really look at Drake's record now, because it's like after Pusha and Kendrick like, aye, he beat, he beat Meek. Is that his claim to fame?
Speaker 4:HBO Boxing Tomato. I'm just saying, maybe we were giving Drake too much credit for that battle with Meek.
Speaker 2:but I mean, look, duffy was a good diss record, a good diss record, but it wasn't damaging. Where is Stace Schema.
Speaker 4:He doesn't have that. That's what he should have done.
Speaker 2:Stace Schema was a lot harder.
Speaker 1:Fellas hold on. The real hindsight is the fact that and I'll be the first one to admit this that we overrate Drake because we have Meek overrated because of what he did to Meek at the time, because Meek at the time let's keep in mind, when that battle happened, everybody thought Meek was about to rip Drake to shreds. I mean, he should have.
Speaker 3:I think Drake gets. You know he should get. I mean he gets in the ring, like Jarv said, and he holds his own. He might have took some help, but he holds his own.
Speaker 1:Did he win a battle against a C-list rapper that we thought was?
Speaker 4:an A-minus, b-plus rapper. He got common out of there. Cool Common he did be, calm.
Speaker 2:He beat calm. Like I said, that was an aging calm. That was.
Speaker 1:I would think common, not an aging calm.
Speaker 2:That was, I would think, calm, and not an aging calm.
Speaker 3:That was twilight of his career calm and mad, that wasn't the same calm and mad.
Speaker 4:An older calm and just made the auditorium what we doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but to Coop's point.
Speaker 2:Battling and making positive music is two different things.
Speaker 4:Oh, when it come to your favorites boy.
Speaker 3:But to Coop's point, I've heard y'all on y'all's podcast put this as the greatest rap battle of all time. That's why I can't personally do that. It's the biggest and the most grandiose, but I can't put it over Jay and Nas because that was literally close and everybody who had Kenny winning had him winning, you know, decidedly anyway, and didn't want to think that Drake was a worthy competitor. So it's like I think Drake held his own personally, but it wasn't the two titans going at. It wasn't as evenly matched on the scorecards you know what I'm saying, as a lot of people would try to make it out to be and plus Nas and J had Stillmatic and Takeover. I mean Stillmatic and Blueprint classic albums to boot, which you know you got the GNX now, but it's not a classic and Drake doesn't have anything to go along with this battle.
Speaker 4:I know for me we put it up there because of what happened on that particular night that Family Matters and Meet the Grands. That was a great time.
Speaker 1:Jarb, hold on, that's my thing. Then call it the biggest night, don't call it the biggest battle, because Jay and Nas' battle is goat talk. That is about the battle for number one.
Speaker 4:This is for the best of this era, not the goat To me because rap changed that night. The history we know it changed that. That's why we put it up there.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on, hold on Jar. We're not going to know how much this changes as time goes on.
Speaker 3:Social media adds to that though.
Speaker 4:Kenny's not the clear number one now?
Speaker 3:But Jar, it's number one for an era, not number one all time. That's what Jay-Z and Nas was talking about.
Speaker 1:Jar, let me submit something to you, if I may. What if I were to tell you that it's like, because of all the undertones and because of how Kendrick started off this album with the Wayne shade, not a shot, but shade.
Speaker 3:That's not shade bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. I told the fellas behind the scene I said it wasn't disrespectful his open hand slap to the face, but he definitely snuffed the nigga a little bit.
Speaker 4:If Wayne decided to respond, he'd be in his right to.
Speaker 1:But what if I told you that we might get a part two or even part three to this Kendrick and Drake thing? What if this is not over? What if we're getting our first Ali Frazier, where it's like no, these niggas is going to fight a few times?
Speaker 4:Is there any thought about that? I don't think. Well, like I said yesterday, if I was Drake, you're not doing me like this. Until Drake decides to respond to Kenny properly. He can't do shit. He's in checkmate. He has to fight him again.
Speaker 1:Thank, you Hold on, hold on. So, jarv, isn't the table really being set? And Kendrick knows this, which is why he kind of poked at Wayne Isn't the table really being set?
Speaker 3:by Kendrick. I don't think that line was no worse than Nas checking Pete Rock.
Speaker 4:AG, can I finish? Drake got to show me he could do it at this point, because I came in like you, coop, I thought Drake had him, and then I seen what Kenny did. Kenny beat him on every level.
Speaker 1:No, Can't he beat him on every level? No, he beat him. But if somebody beat your ass and they keep looking at you, are you not going to?
Speaker 3:But how does that make Wayne look if Drake got to come to his defense? Because Drake did that with Pusha T. So how would that make Wayne look?
Speaker 4:Hey them dudes is fooled man at this point. I hate to be that guy, but they're going to have to show me now.
Speaker 1:You think Wayne fooled. You think Wayne food.
Speaker 3:Wayne is not battle-tested bro.
Speaker 1:Neither was Kendrick until this year.
Speaker 2:Wayne is a buffet bro.
Speaker 5:Hold on hold on Hold on hold on no no no, no, everything y'all are saying about Wayne, I can say about Kendrick, until this year.
Speaker 1:Everything y'all are saying about Wayne.
Speaker 5:I can say about Kendrick until this year.
Speaker 1:Don't do that hold on. Where was Kendrick battle tested prior to this year? Fellas, prior to this year, when was Kendrick battle tested?
Speaker 3:but he wanted smoke for how he projected himself right.
Speaker 4:That's why I can't really answer that in good faith, because he's asked people to come in the ring and they ain't want to get in the ring. He was Chris Crawford. Nobody wanted to come in the ring and they ain't want to get in the ring. He was Chris Crawford, nobody wanted to get in the ring with Crawford. And as soon as Chris got in the ring, what happened? He got punched on and everybody loved Arrow until he got punched on right.
Speaker 3:Right. And then Pusha T was begging Lil Wayne to get in the ring. He said a few bars and pleading with him and getting the ring. And then Drake had to come into the fray and you know Drake took those lumps.
Speaker 4:But at least he got the ring. He tried to call Hove number. What happened to him?
Speaker 1:Yes, hold on. First of all, there's no pulling Hove's number unless you're Nas he tried it.
Speaker 4:He found out where he existed on the phone chain, that's when.
Speaker 1:Hove found out where he existed on the phone With a JB verse tatted on him.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I got a slide. My time is up here, hold on.
Speaker 1:I think it's crazy that Kendrick gets to not be battle testing for 15 years and y'all call Wayne fool.
Speaker 4:One guy says get in the ring with me Please. Everybody says no. The other guy is giving you rudimentary punchlines from the early 90s. Y'all said he was the best. I just don't understand.
Speaker 5:It's not even the same. It's not even the same.
Speaker 1:Yo, that control verse ain't like that. It's not even the best verse on the song Darv.
Speaker 4:But again, is Wayne giving you a like that verse? No, ain't no big three, it's just big me.
Speaker 1:No, he does not have. You want to know what he lacks? He has bravado.
Speaker 4:He does not have the battle. Rap bravado. Isn't that part of being a?
Speaker 3:rapper, everybody, everybody, welcome to the new hill that Koopa's going to die on.
Speaker 1:I specified. I said he does not have Kendrick's battle rap bravado.
Speaker 3:He doesn't I specified.
Speaker 1:I said he does not have Kendrick's battle rap bravado. He doesn't.
Speaker 4:He does not talk like in those battle rap terms that Kendrick Everyone is like real G's moving silence, while Kenny's out here saying I dare one of y'all.
Speaker 3:Hey, I respect that. Found him a new heel. I respect that.
Speaker 4:Never mind guys. 52,000 of his fans. Ah, you know it's not a right in my spirit, because he knew what was coming. Yeah, drake, can't make nobody run away from a fade.
Speaker 3:Or Wayne.
Speaker 4:A fan fade at that, because it was just bars at that point and he had a bar for Cole on Discord.
Speaker 3:He said F your apologies, I want to see you geeked out.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you the truth. My problem with Cole and even the Carolina shit, it's like he's actually up in the fade. How are you going to step away when you're up in the fade, if you put money down?
Speaker 1:If it's January and you notice dance has happened and you've been listening to rap in the 2020s. You're not putting your money on Drake or fucking Kendrick over Cole. If you've been listening, that's my problem with how he played it. It's like you was just about you won battle in one album away from pole position from this era when you've been third the whole time.
Speaker 3:I don't care how good the fall off is. He'll be third with a classic. How can you let that go? He'll be third with a classic.
Speaker 1:How can you let that go? How can you let that go for a man that has not made a great album Heart?
Speaker 5:No heart Cool, he relinquished it. He doesn't want it.
Speaker 3:I understand it's North Carolina. I get it.
Speaker 4:But then, after years of saying he you the best your chance to prove it.
Speaker 5:You run away. Don't come back to me.
Speaker 4:Unbelievable. Unbelievable, but fellas I got to slide up out of here.
Speaker 2:It was a good run.
Speaker 4:The door's open for y'all to come across the street to us whenever it makes sense, whenever y'all ready, Just holler Sean Coop, holler at me. We make it make sense. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:Peace y'all. Yes, sir, yes, sir Yo, let's get these Super Chats, fellas, and let's get up out of here. Let people get back to their Sunday.
Speaker 1:AG or Sean, y'all going to have to take the Super Chats because my system shut down and I had to reboot, so I lost my Super Chats.
Speaker 5:No doubt I got it. Let me see when can I get to. We got Mad Max. Of course we do. We got Brandon Rogers. Sean got the Fly Sneaker Collection Giving Clark Kent vibes. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. For sure. Appreciate you, bro. Andrew Williams, with the 199. My guys love the unity. Yeah, man, it's all about love. Man, it's all about love. We going into 2025 with love.
Speaker 5:Tracy G the album is a two out of a 10 only because it's 45 minutes. Yo, Tracy G is not going to budge off of that. Andrew Williams, I agree with all your points. To be honest, about Kendrick, I do feel by a lot of Kendrick fans, if you don't call everything he does a classic, you're a hater. It's fair. It's fair. Coop always say he doesn't like the Kendrick fans. 007 with a $20 check. Preach the 00. Appreciate it. Kenny is a Nas J level. He's a tier below. This album is solid and he's not done creating. But the reality is Drake was never that guy and Cole folded. We grade these guys in a curve compared to mid to late 90s competition.
Speaker 1:Can I stop right quick and say what is really important about Kendrick, and this is where he has even separated himself from Drake and Cole. When Drake and Cole drop albums, we don't have top 10 all time rapper conversation. Every time Kendrick drops, we do. And so the biggest difference, like my biggest takeaway from everything that everybody's had to say tonight, is actually I noticed from all of our dialogue well, he's number one in this era because the type of conversation that we have when he drops an album is vastly different than when Drake drops and when Cole drops. And that's the difference. When Kendrick drops, we do have goat talk. When Drake and Cole talk, we talk era talk. Does that make sense? Like it's don't talk. When we talk kendrick, it's era talk. When cole and drake drop, and that's where this battle has solidified him, because it was that way before he won the battle, and that's why I'm so super disappointed that cole bowed out, because he had so many.
Speaker 3:He had so many legs up on you already he did, and that's why this battle is so important, because if you get number one for your era, that's like a buy-in to conversation for the top 10 of all time.
Speaker 1:Correct, correct. That is the buy-in, because you have to understand too. I mean, if you go through your top 20 MCs, most of them came out in a 15-year gap. Most of your top 10, most of your top 20 MCs fall somewhere between 85 to 2,000.
Speaker 3:Let's be real. A lot of our top 10s are not number one for their respective eras, but that was because competition was more heavy back then. But you can only play who's in front of you.
Speaker 1:Scarface and Ghostface were the only people in my top 10 that weren't considered to be number one at some point while they lived, though.
Speaker 5:Or all catalogs start to grow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody else was number one, and. I do think there's some Wu-Tang bias and some Southern bias that comes with Ghost and Scarface not having that, because to me Ghost is the best MC when Supreme Clientele comes out. Scarface probably never got. Scarface never got his moment, mostly by Big J and Nas, because when he made his best stuff they were all I give you that.
Speaker 3:I was going to say I give you that on Face. But as much as I love Face, one year doesn't constitute an era.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 3:Even if Ghost is the best MC in 2000, that doesn't mean he's the best MC for that era. That just wraps up that year.
Speaker 1:No, okay. So I think, how about this? I have Scarface ahead of Ghostface because they exist in the same era and Scarface is more influential and more impactful in his region. The albums and the bars are comparable. What Scarface means to the South and what Ghostface means to the East is totally different, because Scarface down here is Nas, is Tupac is Big.
Speaker 5:You're comparing it to different fields. You're comparing Ghost to 80% of the populace that we consider to be up top. You're talking about Big Nas Ray. You're talking about a different field.
Speaker 1:No, that's where Ghost exists, don't you think that's where Ghost Exists?
Speaker 5:he does, he does, he's part of that field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's part of that field. I give Scarface the advantage because they exist in the same field. Oh no, Scarface, is that nigga down here entirely and look in. The only conversations about it being different are related to Wayne and Andre, Like when you talk Ghost and you talk New York, it's like no, there's Nas, Big J, KRS, Brock, M G Kane.
Speaker 2:Ray.
Speaker 3:Matt Kid yeah, you got it all. It's a different feel. Brock M G.
Speaker 1:Kane.
Speaker 5:Ray Matt Ken. Yeah, it's a different feel.
Speaker 1:Ghost is a victim of his climate, his New York climate. Scarface is a. That is where Scarface is most beneficial is because, well, he is our first all-time great Southern rapper.
Speaker 5:Absolutely. That's respected, not just in the Southern region but everywhere. I'm saying, as far as a guy to come out of the South, he's the first all-time Absolutely Big fact that's respected, not just in the southern region but everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, no, no. I'm saying as far as a guy to come out of the South, he's the first all-time great rapper to come out of the. South and that does mean something. And he has the material bars guest appearance. He has everything, and platinum and gold, he has everything.
Speaker 3:Checks every box Validated.
Speaker 1:He checks every box, I checks every box. I can't put Ghost over him with all those box checks.
Speaker 5:No doubt, more super chats. Tracy G, this album is whack as hell. It's better Might delete later. It's better Fall off, tracy, you gotta let it go. I appreciate that. Jermaine Johnson, with the $5 chat, hip-hop talks, collabs and rap roundtables at the Avengers of Hip-Hop Media, fellas, please do this more often. No doubt. Again, the mantra of 2025 is love. Everything is love. Cj Kid $10 super chat. Can you guys do a Kendrick hip-hop talks versus Q roundtable station here, like Mad Max said, since who versus who's in T isn't happening. Native tongues, native tongues. You want to know what. Hold on, hold on Fellas.
Speaker 1:Fellas, you want to know what we should do. We need to come up with some playlist battles to run on station head for Thanksgiving. We're not going to be like. I know we've had a couple of. We need to come up with some playlist battles to run on Stationhead for Thanksgiving. We're not going to be. I know we've had a couple of conversations, but what do you think about knocking out some of these battles?
Speaker 3:We've been doing some battles in the Discord Coop. If you was in the Discord First of all, I won't be jumping in the Discord.
Speaker 1:I jumped in the Discord and jumped back out. Okay, I just jumped on Twitter today. Nigga, you'll be happy. I came outside to play this year. You know what type of year it's been.
Speaker 1:First of all, I'd like to tell everybody never buy an Audi. If, like me, you'll be without a car for six weeks because they have to replace your engine. But they don't want to replace the engine, then you rent a car. Then you rent a car and after you call to check on AG, coming from North Carolina, a deer fucking jumps in front of your rental car and totals your shit. Now you owe the rental car company thousands of dollars, except you already paid them thousands of dollars so you could rent a car Then you get your daughter's car.
Speaker 1:I'm not finished. Then you get your daughter's car. You get your daughter's car shipped from your sister. New transmission Engine has a problem. Just got done. Paying for new engine work today.
Speaker 3:Engine's cost a lot. At that point I'm just getting new whips.
Speaker 1:Then I got to come these are the new whips your bad?
Speaker 5:I love Audi. This is what they give you. Then I got to come and deal with you two. I'm glad you said that, Sean.
Speaker 1:Then I have to come and deal with you two, then I have to come and deal with you two. No, no, no. And then, on top of having to deal with you two, you. I don't know what we did you called Jarvin Sin on top of all that, yeah.
Speaker 3:Got a lot of nerve. This was an intervention we're ending 2020.
Speaker 5:With love, we're going into Thanksgiving with love, we're going to finish off with love.
Speaker 5:I don't want let me say this real quick you're not invited we're not going to send a beacon to others and say come on, let's have a conversation. Everyone doesn't get that invite, so let me be. I don't want to talk crazy or talk fresh and anything crazy like that. Get it Pun intended. You know I don't want to get too fresh out here for y'all. Pun intended. Everybody doesn't get that invite. I'm sorry, but yeah, we want to start with love, if you want, into 2025. Ag doesn't like what I just said. I get it. I apologize. He's going to have a conversation with me after this and I apologize.
Speaker 3:Watch football. That's what I'm going to do. Go eat. This is your fault.
Speaker 5:But, fellas, I think we have a couple more. Oh yeah, we got it. That was the last one.
Speaker 3:We appreciate all the super chats. By the way, everybody we appreciate the super chats.
Speaker 1:Except for Mad Max because, mad Max, you don't know what you're talking about If you're in the chat right now.
Speaker 5:If you haven't subscribed, please subscribe to the channel. Like, share, subscribe. Join the movement. We'll put the actual Discord link in the chat tonight as well. Join our Facebook. Follow us on Twitter. We appreciate the love, the conversations that we have on here. We still have conversations on the discord as well. The discord we do have conversations on the discord. You do have conversations on the Discord. It's crazy, like if you love music, if you love hip-hop in general, if you love sports games, whatever the Discord is where it's at. The Discord is where it's at. So if you enjoyed tonight, please log into our Discord. We drop different things in there. We drop some exclusive things in there as well. Great chat in the Discord. We even play music. Now we figure out a way to start playing music in the Discord. We actually have battles going back and forth in the Discord. I hope you guys enjoy Coop's growth tonight. Pauls, wow.
Speaker 1:Cut it off.
Speaker 5:We think that this is the first process of healing.
Speaker 1:I'm healed. I'm not traumatized. You are, you are, you are, I'm so sick of you and AG talking about me like I'm hurt.
Speaker 3:I'm sitting here quiet.
Speaker 1:Nigga, you've been talking more than Sean has this whole time about me. They're like who's got this all fucked up? It's like I don't have it fucked up.
Speaker 3:I was just making an observation.
Speaker 5:Yeah, coop. Yeah, he had to make an observation. Coop is back on the streets now. So y'all be women. Let freedom ring.
Speaker 1:Hashtag let freedom ring. I'd like to tell all the fellas in Atlanta first of all, hide your woman. You need to hide your woman.
Speaker 5:You're not me, you got your ankle bracelet off. Now You're not me.
Speaker 1:You niggas out here could never be Coop. You want to know what? I sit back here listening to the studio right now, listening to a guy holler my name yeah, when last year I spent more money on spilt liquor, bars, all. Actually. I haven't been to bars all around the world, I've been on probation you have been.
Speaker 5:Now it's time to work. It's time to work.
Speaker 1:I'm going to get my passport leaving you niggas. I applied for it six weeks ago. I should be here in a day. You might not get it. You might not get it. You might not get it. It's definitely been taking too long. They're like we're not missing out.
Speaker 3:We take events on which year first the passport or the car.
Speaker 1:Hold on, First of all first of all, it's an Audi, first of all, ag. It's an Audi, so the answer is the passport. The answer is the passport. Answer the passport. It's an Audi. So I'll be getting the passport. Before I'll be getting the Audi back. I'd like to say fuck you to Audi and fuck you to my warranty company. I can't say it See by the time this airs and they see it, I will be off probation. So it's all the gang times, nigga.
Speaker 5:Cool, you know who's watching. They might send it over. I can't experience that.
Speaker 1:I'm back outside in the streets of the city tomorrow, first of all, all you little niggas talking shit about me, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:First thing I'm going to do with my free time is go get a couple pistols because I ain't been able to have them. All right, first thing I'm going to do with my free time is go get a couple pistols because I ain't been able to have them. All right. A lot of niggas been sending me text messages, calling me all sorts of things. It's okay.
Speaker 5:Sticks and stones right. Sticks and stones no sticks and stones.
Speaker 3:And what kid? You said the flick first and God got it.
Speaker 1:Sticks and stones break bones, but the blicky will take you out of here.
Speaker 3:The blicky will take you out of here. It's like God of guns which is better protection? Can't decide. That's a hard one.
Speaker 1:You got to relax, man. I'm going to pray about it for our. Yo, I'm ready to slide, though Can't decide. I'm ready to slide though. I'm going to choose both. I'm going to pop your ass a couple times in the kneecap, so you understand. I'm not fucking around with you, I'm about to be talking to me crazy.
Speaker 5:It's time to get out of here. Like, subscribe, share. Shout out to LP. Shout out to my man, Trife Boogie. Shout out to L Books.
Speaker 1:I'm going to jump into discord on Thanksgiving it's going to be a special guest appearance It'll be like 16 bars.
Speaker 5:Shout out to my secret weapon, jack, the equalizer, jack.
Speaker 1:Jack, your equalizer and your secret weapon, jack is cracking the fuck up.
Speaker 5:Exactly, jack is that guy man. Jack is that guy.
Speaker 1:Jack's our secret weapon. That's who we're using.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Jack needs help.
Speaker 3:In short, yes.
Speaker 5:In short, yes, yeah, I would drop the Discord link in the chat.
Speaker 2:Definitely dropping back in the Discord if Jack's our help.
Speaker 5:Jack is my guy, that's the Winter. Soldier Facts, facts Unhinged.
Speaker 1:Un, that's the Winter Soldier. Facts, facts.
Speaker 5:Unhinged, unhinged, crazy Jack. Yes, you just got to say the words. Say the words In the book, and he's activated.
Speaker 3:Just read about Sonics.
Speaker 5:Let me close up, shout out to LB as well. Miss LB, lb, what up.
Speaker 5:Did a phenomenal job today running the Facebook page. She was actually ramping up the facebook. They had a whole chat going on in the facebook about us getting ready to do this show. Um, she didn't have to do that and there was a whole chat going on over there and, if you guys noticed, the numbers were high tonight. Kendrick moved the needle, um, and we wanted to give y'all the best show we possibly could. We wanted to have a lot of great conversation and we also wanted to make sure you thought some surprises in that.
Speaker 5:Again, our mantra, going to 2025, is all love and we want y'all to join the movement. Join the love movement, join our discord. To connect with us there. Join us on Twitter, of course. Make sure you like and subscribe and share. Tell a friend to tell a friend. Uh, we'll be back on Wednesday night. We'll be back on before the night before Thanksgiving, so hope y'all can tune in with us then. Uh, we got some more stuff, um, coming up. We got some prizes and everything coming up for the holidays and, um, yeah, we got y'all Cooper's back home, cooper's back outside. Now, all right, no boundaries, no more. So everybody be careful out there and we out. Peace.