HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
Are We Worried For Jay? + J. Cole's "New" 2014 FHD, Nas & AZ or Jadakiss & Styles, MORE!
What if J. Cole is paving his path to retirement with a bold new strategy, leaving a legacy for Dreamville in his wake? Tune in as we unravel the mystery behind J. Cole’s release of eight unreleased tracks for "2014 Forest Hills Drive" and what this means for his rumored farewell album, "The Fall Off." We dissect the quality of these tracks and debate their fit in his discography, while also exploring the potential ripple effects of his retirement on the Dreamville Festival and the local North Carolina economy. Can JID and Ari Lennox pick up the mantle and continue the festival's momentum?
Journey with us as we compare legendary hip-hop artists and their evolving legacies. From Redman's consistently unique style to the enduring impact of Nas and Kanye West, we consider how these icons maintain relevance amidst a changing musical landscape. The episode celebrates Redman's vibrant career and ponders who could provide the fresh production needed to elevate his sound. Our lively discussion also touches on Ghostface Killah's creative energy and the challenges artists face in maintaining their signature flair against the industry's backdrop.
No episode is complete without exploring the business acumen of the hip-hop industry’s heavyweights. We highlight insightful conversations between 50 Cent and Cam'ron, revealing the strategic moves that have kept them at the forefront of both music and business. From the intriguing world of rap collaborations like Nas and AZ to the storytelling prowess of Ghostface, this episode is packed with dynamic exchanges that underscore the nuanced narratives within hip-hop. Don't miss our exploration of rising stars, cultural dynamics, and the strategic chess game played by rap legends past and present.
Welcome to Hip Hop Talks everybody. I'm Coop, you know. The stuff that goes on behind the scenes before the show is just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2:This dude man.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's funny. You want to know what's funny just as an innocent bystander, just an onlooker from a distance of your conversation that you were two were having before the show. Is that the funny thing about how, how the conversation ended? Is that actually, sean, that's something that you would probably do and that was the funny part to me exactly, and that makes me worried, too, that you're having once again a bad influence on ag.
Speaker 1:No, thank you, thank you yeah, no, absolutely, because it's definitely an asshole comment I was sitting over here. I was sitting over here in the cut getting myself together and I was like whoa. I was like where did that come from? I'm like that is just ruthless it is like it's like 10 days from black baby jesus being born or something, and like this is ridiculous behavior. It's like we're supposed to be like happy hanukkah kwanzaa you're doing kapoor forever yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm sorry, I I'm apologize. What I said behind the scenes to sean. I'm gonna apologize on air. So, sean I, sean, I'm sorry, that was left field, it was unprovoked and I'm apologizing to you live on air. My fault, bro, sorry I don't accept your apology Dangerous.
Speaker 2:That's fine I don't accept your apology.
Speaker 3:I mean I just did it for the cameras anyway.
Speaker 2:You want to know what's great.
Speaker 1:Speaking of apologizing for the cameras, I'd like to thank you guys for our first segue Apologizing to the cameras.
Speaker 3:Cue the J Cole. Yo, that is a crazy segue.
Speaker 1:That is a crazy segue. So where are we going to start? Are we going to start with the new music that he released, or I guess the old new music that's been released, yeah, lost tape style? Are we going to start with your analysis of this docu pods, whatever?
Speaker 3:Let's go. Let's go to the music first.
Speaker 1:Great Glad you went there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because everything lines up. You know part of part of Cole's rollout. You know for his retirement album, the Fall Off continues in spectacular fashion, but he released the Lux edition I guess you could call it of 2014 Forest Hills Drive. Now the catch is it's behind a paywall. If you're a member of the inevitable uh series, which is a podcast, you got a link where you could purchase the album digitally. Um, with eight new bonus tracks. Um, I have the album and I have the bonus tracks and what I will say.
Speaker 3:Um, I can see why a lot of these songs did get cut. Um, they're, they're okay for the most part, but I see why they didn't make the the vision of the album. But just for him to go back and give those to the fans. Like you said, coop lost tape, style it for what many people consider to be his best album. I think it's dope dope for him to do. And um, I don't know if it's ever going to come on streaming um services, but right now it's behind that paywall.
Speaker 3:Um to buy digitally and digitally. And um, uh, they sold the vinyls, um, you know which. I got a copy of one of those, one of which that was super limited. It sold out and, like less than five minutes, they only pressed up 2014 copies and, um, they're selling them for like three to 500 on eBay right now, right now. And um, then they got the regular copy, which I was able to obtain one of those. So, but, um, overall, uh, the tracks is okay, but the rollout itself is pretty dope. Have any of you heard the tracks on youtube or anything? I heard the tracks.
Speaker 2:I can see why, like you said, I can see why they were left off. Nothing to go crazy over. I don't think they would have fit the original album itself. To be honest, I think some of them could have been a couple of loosies here and there. I think some of the verses could have been placed in different aesthetics around the album. But as far as fit in the nature of the album they wouldn't have fit at all. So I can see them being on the cut room floor. Some songs you can see where he probably was, in a different space or in between records at the time, or in the genesis, or even on the back end of the album itself. As far as the fit, I don't think none of them could fit.
Speaker 3:To be quite honest, Right, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I do feel like a couple of the tracks fit, but I feel like most of it is just throwaways. I feel like the first record and the last record are actually the only actual dope records that's home soon and obviously, obviously feels like, um, it feels like something from kanye's first run.
Speaker 1:I mean that like in like, like in a good way, and you can kind of hear where kanye's influence is all over the game and some of these like unreleased tracks I mean the first few records are all like stories, that kind of uh, spin off some of the same pieces, you would say, and so I can see where he kind of felt kind of conflicted. It's like, well, which one of these three should I keep? Shit, should I keep any of the three? Oh, fuck it, I'm not keeping any of them. So I can see all of that as well. I actually did purchase the whole thing to listen to the music, so I will be going back to listen to some of the podcasts, since this is going to be his last album. Yeah right.
Speaker 2:I think this is it.
Speaker 1:Pooh, this is it, I think you want it to be it Sean.
Speaker 2:How about that. I'm crazy. But no, I don't, I don't. I think he's too talented to quit at such a young age. I think he's still a young age, he's still got more to say. But the way this rollout is coming out right now, the way things are shaping up, this might be it, man.
Speaker 3:I got another point to that. That's showing that he wants to, you know, really walk away from the game. But before that I wanted to make a few quick points about. It was two episodes ago on the podcast, something y'all may remember in real time but I don't. This was Born Sinner era and I found it pretty fascinating because he was talking about when Born Sinner was getting ready to drop, talking about when born center was getting ready to drop and he was referencing that when his first album came out sideline story, watch the throne came out the week after that and kind of stole all his thunder and I kind of thought that's like counterproductive.
Speaker 3:If you got an artist that's your flagship artist on rock nation and you're trying to push them to the forefront. You know a super group with you know kanye and Jay. Why Jay, would you know, put that album out a week later to kind of steal the thunder? I mean, it's on brand for Jay, but at the same time I just thought that that was kind of weird. And then, um, oh, go ahead, coop, you brought, say what else?
Speaker 1:but I don't want to get too far ahead into our subject matter, but but I think that 50, and 50 has a tendency to say fascinating things about Jay said some fascinating things about Jay that kind of make that move, make sense Not make it okay, but make it make sense if you understand who Jay really is at the end of the day, From a competition aspect.
Speaker 3:Right, correct. But it's funny because things come full circle. And you know, cole kind of got the last laugh a little bit because I I really don't remember this happening in real time, but he was talking about when born center came around. Um, he was prepped to drop the album on a certain date, but then kanye announced, uh, yeezus was going to drop the week before him. So then he was kind of like, okay, okay, I don't like that because I don't want to be an afterthought after Kanye drops Yeezus and then people go and listen to my album and still buzzing about Yeezus, I don't want that to be a thing. So he said he called his homie Eve and was like yo, I'm trying to push my release date a week up with Yeezus. So he called jay and got jay's blessing and jay was like, well, shit, he was like kanye did the same thing with 50 cent, so maybe you can take down the giant, like you know, passing the torch kind of thing. And then so cole was like, okay, I'm gonna release the same day yeezus. He said because if anything you're gonna have to choose, you're gonnaus. He said because if anything you're going to have to choose, you're going to have to talk about both of our albums and you're going to have to say which one is better. So when that happened and I don't remember this happened in real time. But when it happened and for those of y'all who don't like us to talk about numbers, we hear you. But you know, I'm saying I think this is pertinent to the story Cole did 295 the first week and then Yeezus did 327.
Speaker 3:And I thought that was like pretty fascinating that he was that close. But what's even more fascinating is he said on the pod that Wale OK. So Yeezus went number one that week. The second week Cole outsold Yeezus on Born Sinner. So his cumulative two week sales was more than Yeezus on Born Sinner. So his cumulative two-week sales was more than Yeezus. But the number one album that week was Wale because he was a new drop. And then the third week Jay-Z dropped Magna Carta, holy Grail, once again just two weeks behind Cole, close to his artist. But then the fourth week that Born Sinner was out. You know what I'm saying. This is on shelves for a month at this point he outsold Yeezus, jay with Magna Carta and Wale and was the number one album in his fourth week. I thought that was pretty damn fascinating. I don't remember that happening in real time.
Speaker 1:I remember that Okay so it happened in real time, but the impact wasn't felt in real time. It's just one of those things that happened and that's why it feels that way. I mean once again back to the 50 interview where he's talking about Fab. It's like, oh no, it happened, but it wasn't the moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was some good content when he was talking about that.
Speaker 1:That's the best part of the interview of mine.
Speaker 3:For sure. But what I was going to say, that makes me really believe that Cole is stepping away for good. And this is a new layer to it that I didn't even consider. They announced that the last Dreamville Fest, the fifth and final one, will be next April, april 5th and April 6th. And that kind of raised the eyebrow for me because I was looking at that like OK, so he's saying he's not going to put out any more music, but evidently that would lend the clue that he's not going to be performing anymore either. And then I asked myself is this really the right thing to do? Because I get it, you want to step away and you want to retire.
Speaker 3:But Dreamville Fest is a really big festival. And because you want to step away, what about your crew? That still can eat a lot off of this festival. You know what I'm saying? Jid has made himself a household name to a degree. He can headline this festival and it can continue on, you know, with artists like Bass or you know RA Lennox or whoever. They can continue the Dreamville Festival, but I don't think that it's appropriate just for like, because Cole's hanging it up to end the festival as a whole. Just think about everything it brings to North Carolina to Raleigh. Just think about everything it brings to North Carolina to Robbie. I just, I just find it a weird move.
Speaker 1:What do you guys have to say about that? I mean, if he's retiring, it makes sense though, doesn't it?
Speaker 3:But I mean, he's not the only person. He's the flagship artist of dream bill, but it's other people that represent dream bill that could carry that on.
Speaker 2:Got to grow up now. Grow up now when Jay retired the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean okay. So here's the thing If he's quote-unquote retiring, which means he won't be doing performances, who's their headliner now? Jid, that's not enough to pack just yet. It's not there yet. That doesn't his. You know, his album making ability is better than his hit making ability, better than his charisma, and some of where you get placed generationally is timing. Like drake, kendrick and cole came around at a time when we were looking for what's next and they pretty much rose over the Wale's and the A$AP's over a course of time. But we were out there looking for something and that was the best of. What we got is how we got here.
Speaker 3:Well, I see what you're saying, but a lot of Dreamville, like a lot of the draw, was what I'm saying like he hadn't chosen like that, to be a headliner like that.
Speaker 3:Yet right, and a lot of the draw sometimes is the artists that pop up, like you know, the guest artists that come out for concerts. But you know, I just feel like that's a different thing. I see what you're saying, because that's like saying if Lil Wayne was to retire for good and then stop doing, um, the weisiana fest, but it's like attached to him. But I think dreamville has more of a, you know, a conglomerate type feel to it. You know what I'm saying, like the whole label versus just associated with cold it feels more versatile, but never I'm what.
Speaker 1:Okay, what I'm trying to say in a nice way is is it? Well, ari's probably almost there. Ari, I guess would be your headliner, like ari ari could be a headliner here ari could be a headliner possibly, but it's like, if that's your headliner, like that is a step down for cole, because here's something that you just kind of acknowledge. Well, he's been doing numbers since he's this guy. That's a long time to be doing big numbers.
Speaker 3:But I want to ask you this, coop, because you're a North Carolina native, you know what I'm saying. Originally grew up in North Carolina. What does that do pulling that show from Raleigh? What does that do economically for North Carolina that it can still?
Speaker 1:I like that you're discussing the economics of it, because the economics of it is the first thing that I think of. It's like oh well, that's jobs. That's leaving and that's the last thing that we need from a place that, quite frankly, has been hurt by jobs in the latter, especially in the modern day times, Because, well, it's been a tobacco farming place for a long time. So, even though it hasn't been a good industry, these tobacco farms have supplied jobs for generations and generations, and that is an industry that has died slowly and for the greater good. That is a good thing For industry here, just for the industrial plants in the Midwest, not a good thing for the state economically speaking. Another big thing economically that the state is affected by is hog farming, which they've had to been in battle with for a long time.
Speaker 1:So, like a lot of the things that bring people jobs in North Carolina, quite frankly, haven't been the healthiest thing for our environment and our community and as we've gotten more educated and informed, those jobs have dissipated and disappeared because places have shut down, because, well, it's not a sustainable way to live when you're passing out cancer on a stick or on a fork, quite frankly, with how you're sustaining pigs that are being slaughtered improperly and sent to various grocery stores across the nation, yada, yada, yada, on and on. So, even though you take something like the Dreamville Festival and you think that it's like, oh, that's not really affecting it, it's like no, no, no, it is Because there are a lot of jobs going on in this state that used to exist and no longer exist just because of things being modernized. So definitely something to think about in terms of how it economically is affected and maybe, and maybe they're going to do something different, maybe they're just going to rename it and rebrand it something different that's a good.
Speaker 3:That's a good point, um, but uh, real quick, before we get off the cold topic, they sold tickets for the dreamville fest through the um, through the podcast link, if you're a podcast member. But I think one of the dope things that they're going to do going forward like being a member of subscribing to the podcast. Another perk that they're going to do is his garden concert on the 16th the Forest Hills anniversary. They're going to stream it live for anybody who's purchased the vinyl, the digital album or the CDs or the inevitable podcast. They're going to stream it live on a link that they'll provide you through your email if you cop something or a member of the podcast. So that would be dope to watch it if you can't pull up to the garden.
Speaker 1:Thank you, sean. Sean, I was just about to get to those right quick. Oh god, happy holidays to me. Mad max is in the house, guys. 999 mad max. What up? Homie tell coot, free ice tray. Here we go, atl, I don't know how to build around that serial killer ice tray, the modern day pistol pete, with some Zeke-isms Not Pistol Pete or Zeke, but damn good. The Hawks have a legit team. The Hawks have a legit team. You know what they have. They have a proven score and they have wings with athleticism and length and youth and size, and that matters. If they were to land somebody like a Jimmy Butler via trade or something like that, I would consider them to be contenders. All right. Next Super Chat DJ253, shout out Is Dreamville ending? Something seems off. We don't know if it's off. We just don't know if it's still on. Madmax199,. Man that Dreamville squad. Week JID ain't moving-ish. You don't know if it's still on. Mad Max 199. Man, that Dreamville squad week, jid ain't moving-ish.
Speaker 3:You don't like JID, mad Max.
Speaker 1:What are y'all thoughts?
Speaker 3:on JID. I feel like JID is out of my way. People say JID is, you know, kendrick-like, so you know if.
Speaker 1:Mad Max don't rock with Kendrick.
Speaker 3:They said that about Isaiah Rashad though yeah, but if he don't rock with Kendrick, I wouldn't expect him to rock with JID, though he doesn't have a draw.
Speaker 2:Yeah, JID doesn't have a draw, though that's the only thing. When you go to Dream, when you think about Dreamville, you know, of course Cole is at the center of all of that, and you know someone like JID who I I think he's dope, he has a dope album, but he just doesn't draw the attention that Cole would draw. Of course there's a lot that goes behind Cole. I think it's more personality-wise. Same thing is about Big Sean. We see how Big Sean is missing something. That's how JID is. He's missing that it factor.
Speaker 2:He's missing that hope, if you will, he won't be able to carry it, man.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second, guys. I got to go check on something. Something's going on upstairs.
Speaker 3:All right, that's cool. He talked about Trey Young Real quick. Sean, did you see where Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter bought minority stake in the bills? I love it. Yeah, that was dope.
Speaker 2:That wasn't a move. I Bills.
Speaker 3:I love it. Yeah, that was dope. That wasn't a move I saw coming.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it, I love it. We need more of that. We need more of that man. Hopefully they can get a good stake in that 3%. You know what I'm saying. Hopefully it can be something like what Jay did. Jay had like 2% in the Brooklyn.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if it was, that it was like .00 something or whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I got like .05 percent on the Knicks.
Speaker 3:But the point of that is so you can be like the face of something, even if you're not a high stakeholder in it. You can be the face of something where face recognition.
Speaker 2:So that's what.
Speaker 3:Jay was for Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:How does Griselda feel about that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, nobody called Westside on them.
Speaker 1:Mad Max with another 199 super chat. Send Trey to the Rockets so he can win the chip. Where would y'all put the Rockets if Trey Young went to the Rockets? Fellas, they ain't winning the championship.
Speaker 2:It makes them a little dangerous.
Speaker 3:They'd be probably like a 4C with Trey 3-4C.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1:Okay, any final thoughts about Cole before we slide to the next topic.
Speaker 2:Nah, sums it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alright, cool, let's get the red man, who's about to follow up his classic Muddy Waters 2 and has dropped the new single Jersey. Sean, you set it off with this one. Tell me what you think about the single Jersey by Redman.
Speaker 2:Look man, redman never disappoints with the lyrics, never disappoint with the charisma, the style, the flow. It's who Redman is. It's 2024, though. It's who Redman is. It's 2024, though and I say this with love, I say this with love it's 2024. It's not 1994. Right, and I mean that respectfully, with the most respect I don't think a lot of people are checking for that style from Redman in 2024, going into 2025, because he's never going to disappoint you with just style and raps and just lyrics, all of that. But it's just you got to update, you got to reboot. Sometimes he's the artist that can reboot. He's not an artist. He is who he is. He never had to evolve honestly. I think that's one of the he never had to evolve honestly, and I think that's like one of the Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:He never had to evolve. Take that further for me. Let's unpack that. I think that's fascinating that you said that.
Speaker 2:Soul Rapper has never had to evolve and he's one of those guys because of the way his style is, Because Redman doesn't really. If you think about what tree Redman comes from, it's hard to trace it back. I don't think he has a tree, I think he is the tree. That's what I'm saying. You can't trace it back. You can't trace back Redman's tree. You can't say, well, he has this style from this person or this foundation. Right, he doesn't have a lineage, he really has his own lineage. So he never had to evolve as an artist. Because if you listen I went back and listened to a lot of Redman music this week for some crazy reason it all sounded like dope, dope, but they all sounded like and I don't know if it's because he was using Eric Sermon the whole time he didn't step outside that box.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. Neither did Mobb Deep for four or five albums.
Speaker 2:Until we got to Infamy. Then it got weird. Yeah, we're going to cover all that I was about to say that's not helping the argument, though Exactly that's my point.
Speaker 1:I'm saying this to say I'm not saying that you're against Redman, but let's say as an advocate for Redman, let's say well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, because for some people, if it works, it works and that's what you're going to get from them. We know what we're getting from Cool G Rap. We know what we're getting from EPMD. We know what we're getting from Red.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. If you're not, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Cool, my fault no, no, you're cool no, I was just gonna say, like, if you're not versatile, if your wheelhouse is like a small wheelhouse, as long as it's like something that people gravitate towards, you can get away with that. So I think that's an excellent point you made, sean, because he never had to evolve, because red man was kind of like I don't want to say in a class by himself, but, um, he kind of did his own thing and then, like Method man, when he linked up with meth, they were kind of like a likes in that respect. So, um, and he was always looked at as, like you know, he's going to have the bars, he's going to have the funny content, but we didn't really look look at him like a serious. I mean, he was a lyricist, but the content, the content was what was lacking. But red man was so dope he was able to get by without having that and I think that's a very excellent point that you made. But, um, you know, if, if it's good, then, like poop said, if it ain't broke, why fix it? Like, push a? T gets away with that, grizzled, it gets away with that. They stay in their wheelhouse.
Speaker 3:But I actually feel the opposite about these new records that you feel about, because when I put them on it's actually, uh, a two-piece, it's a um single, a little two-pack. It's um jersey, and then don't want to see me rich. When I put those records on I was kind of like thrown off because I was this is bobby red man, like they're two. You was kind of like thrown off because I was this is Vibey Redman, like they're two. You know kind of Vibey tracks and that's not something that Redman was really known for a lot, you know, in his heyday they were kind of enjoyable for me but I was kind of thrown off about, you know, I was like I didn't know if I wanted Vibey Redman for two straight songs. I thought one of the joints was gonna be like yeah, but not both.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what I hate to say this, it hurts me inside to say this. I'm gonna have to agree with sean. I'm gonna have to agree with sean because, okay. So here's the thing. I don't think necessarily what sean is saying is a bad thing. It is what it is thing. So let's discuss the first thing that I asked Sean to unpack, which was, well, you're saying he didn't have to evolve. I find, when you said that, you know who I thought of in basketball terms. I thought of Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 3:Don't do this to me. Carmelo's my favorite man. Don't do this, no, no.
Speaker 1:I actually have some complimentary things to me. Carmelo's my favorite man, don't do this, no, no. I actually have some complimentary things to say. If you actually think about Carmelo.
Speaker 1:Well, you really can't name more than five, six, seven players better in his era than him. So he's a top player for his era and he's an all-time great player. He is a top 75 player. You know what I'm saying. He's one of the toughest guards, just like reggie's one of the toughest dudes on the mic to compete with. But it is like you get the feeling you woke up one day and you felt like the game had passed them by in terms of what they bought to the table. That was superior, supreme, that put them in that category, and that happens sometimes. And so it's like when you have your run, you have your run.
Speaker 1:If you look at his run, which is pretty much like essentially a 10-year run from about 90 to 2000, 2001, like as far as like the real peak part of the run, it's like no, he did some wonderful things. He dropped four great albums. He dropped the great group album. He dropped a great, above average to great duet album with Mev. He countless rhyme of the year, caliber verses, rhyme of the year verses like the last verse on how High. He did it all in a 10-year stretch.
Speaker 1:It's a great Hall of Fame career to have is just for some people. They're not able to adapt. Like a um, like a lebron or a steph or a kd did that were kind of like his classmates in a sense. You know what I'm saying. They were just able to evolve their games and start picking stuff up to make it work for the modern day era. But as far as the run goes, a great run, and that's kind of how I look at red. But also have to agree with sean not really feeling the music like that because I don't know if people are checking for it.
Speaker 1:It's hard for me to get into it. It's hard for me to get into it. I'm not going front.
Speaker 3:That's good points. Oh, go ahead Sean.
Speaker 2:No, I was agreeing with Kool because the Carmelo thing resonates with me more because Melo had a middie out of this world. You know, middie out of this world, you know. I'm saying in today's league a middie can still get you points, but the three ball is what gets you the real points right. And that's the same thing with red. Red was always nice. We never, we never said oh, that was a whack album by red. You know. I mean, like we never had those conversations, like we talked about meth, we said that to cal was, it was a downer. You know, over years, over In real time, we loved Takao because it was still off the strength of Wu, but over years people never really championed Takao as a classic or even as a cult classic. We championed Muddy Waters as a classic or a cult classic.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing Redman has at least three albums better than Takao.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I give him two for for sure. I think what the?
Speaker 1:what the album there's a dark side of muddy waters are all better than to cow like, just objectively speaking I would have a hard time put what the album over to cow, but I feel what you're saying though you personally might like like that's what I'm saying for like how about this for its time, what the album bigger and more impactful and more important than Takao, even if you don't think the music's better.
Speaker 3:That's fair. But I want to ask both of you a really tough question. And you know, as you was talking, cupid made the picture kind of clear. But in a world where, you know, nas can get with a hit boy and, you know, churn out six fire albums and kind of reinvent himself, in a world where common can get with p-rock and give us a vintage sound and people still, like you know, uh, give it critical, critical acclaim. And then in a world where ll cool, j can come back, link with q-tip and method, man can blaze features, so on and so forth, are we saying that in 2024, there is no place for a red man?
Speaker 1:You mind if I take that right quick, sean, please, please, please. To be honest with you, I think it's going to come down to the production, because when you were just talking right now, I was thinking, well, it's like it really wasn't the MC that made the difference. At the end of the day, it was the producer, because a producer's job is to make the artist sound good. Part of making an artist sound good I wouldn't say young is the word, but making them sound updated, making them sound modern, making them sound like this is a modern-day version. Nas is not talking any differently on these six albums. The themes haven't changed.
Speaker 3:Not really they haven't. They're more mature, but I see, yeah, you're right though the canvas is you paint on.
Speaker 1:You know he's good with oil and acrylic. It's like he's been doing it for 30 years. It's like no no, those oil and acrylic paints.
Speaker 1:Those are the same oil and acrylic paints we've been looking at, but they sound fresh. They sound, yeah, they sound like 2020-something. They don't sound like 1994 nostalgic Nas talking about betting grants with the CeeLo champs. It sounds like Beth Roiz Talking about those times now. Now he's taking advantage of his OG status and Hit-Boy's giving him a modern sound. Who's giving Redman a modern sound is the question. We know the caliber MC. He's a top 20 MC all time.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But he, he can't make a store run, he can't make a pressure, he can't have the nostalgia and the look back that someone because, think about it, we grew up on it on Nas Right, and the look back that someone because, think about it, we grew up on Nas right, so we walked with him throughout that career the King's Disease and Magic trilogies respectfully both of them. He's taken us down memory lane, no pun intended, because he's going back to talk about wearing, you know, the red leather. You know what I mean with flames. He's talking about these things that we can identify. He's like yo. I remember we had the red leather jumpsuit on stage. I remember the flames coming behind him as he's walking in the Hit Me Now video. All of these things are triggering our emotion. How we are tied to Nas as an artist, as our favorite artist. Red doesn't have that nostalgia of look back and pull back. Hold on.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you all something. Hold on, ag. I'm glad that you asked this question, ag. Hold on. Did Redman never have a moment? Was Redman ever that dude?
Speaker 3:No, I was going to allude to that, coop. I think top 20 is high. I think top 20 is too high for Red and I love Red, but I think 25 to 30, 25-30 might be more appropriate.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I can't do that because there's not, they're not.
Speaker 3:You can rattle off 19 other names real quick, man, like it, adds up no, not with better bars and albums put together no like you got g, you got g over red you got G over Red who G rap? Yeah no okay, okay, I asked that because I wanted to see what realm he was operating in. So if you don't have G over Red, then I can see why you got Red in top 20. So I understand that. I just had to ask that one question, like it'd be hard for me to put Black.
Speaker 1:Thought over Red, because I'm like man like Red got more like bangers and he got el nino like think about this, he has el nino blackout and blackout, muddy waters. There's a dark side. What the album like you telling me that there's 20 mcs with with just those?
Speaker 3:in my mind. Where it's in my mind, it's falling more closer to 25 than it is 20, because I'm just rattling a bunch of names off the top of my head and actual, actual skill-wise, like think about the guys that you might put ahead of him.
Speaker 1:What would happen if it was actually become like on a record, like who would do what? Yeah.
Speaker 3:The catalog is strong. That's his strongest you know chip that he can put to the center of the table, Like how about this.
Speaker 1:Him and Nas are the only guys from the 90s that can get on a Wu-Tang record and stunt on Wu-Tang lyrically.
Speaker 3:That's a very valid point.
Speaker 2:Very valid point. Not many can do that.
Speaker 3:Not on a posse. It's not even a handful of cats that can do that. So good point, Kool.
Speaker 1:No, those were the two guys from the 90s. Yeah, those two. One and two. Let those two one and two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's be real. They wouldn't let you on the track if you couldn't do that.
Speaker 2:You couldn't do that. Yeah yeah, we got more C's than AODD.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so yeah, he's like that to me and I'm not like his biggest fan in terms of like me, I'm a big fan of Muddy Waters. I'm a big fan of what he does lyrically and his way of thinking and patternizing rhymes Cause I do believe he invented a style of rhyming, but yeah, but yeah, like I can't think of 20. Got no, like it's one of those things. Like I have him ahead of guru too. Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 3:But that that might be his moment to answer your question is because I didn't realize that till you and sean said it that he does. He doesn't have. You know, like sean said, he doesn't have anybody that comes before him where you can see, okay, red man is the lineage of this person. Now, eminem, you could, you know, and he, he'll tell you as much. He'll point to red man, like yo, I'm from the school of red man, but maybe that's his moment in and of itself. He like developed, you know a rap style, or you know whatever. That's his moment in and of itself. He like developed, you know a rap style, or you know whatever, that's kind of like the first of his kind, because I can't think of anybody before him.
Speaker 1:How about this part of his problem also may be that you know, the style that he's an author of is the least talked about, like history is the least talked about. Everybody talks about Kane and Rakim, krs andS and so on and so forth, and you know Melly, mel before that, and like Kaz and Kuma, like we kind of got our trees organized already and when it comes to that tree, we really don't talk about like, oh, redman, busta, rhymes, odb, eminem, all that rah, rah, that, yeah, yeah yeah, briggs just made a good point.
Speaker 2:um, redman moment could have been. How high, think about how big, how high it was. And Briggs from Jersey as like in a vacuum.
Speaker 1:As far as a rap song duet, you can make argument that it's the greatest rap duet song ever, just like if we're just talking about one song, not saying that they're the best duo, but if we're just talking about one rap song because think about it, it's a street record and a hit record and lyrically is just out of this world and that is rare that a record is that beautiful and that big of a hit and the hook is his to that point though that's.
Speaker 3:You know, that's a shared moment with Method man, but he was talking about the song. But when he's, when Brick said that I was thinking about the album, because maybe his moment was the album, because I think he clearly out, rapped, out, rapped Meth on that entire album.
Speaker 2:I mean for I mean out-wrapped Meth on that entire album. I mean, I mean Meth was punchline-ing like crazy on that record.
Speaker 1:Go back and listen, man. Okay okay, red is a better traditional lyricist than Method man. I want to be careful when I say that Red Band's a better traditional lyricist. Part of what makes Method man special is want to be careful when I say that Red Band's a better traditional lyricist. Part of what makes Method man special is that, vocally and style-wise, we hadn't really heard anybody like Method man with that combo either.
Speaker 3:If you don't know either MC, like the Star Power, the Wu-Tang affiliation, if you're an A&R and you hear that album and you listen to both of them side by side, who are you saying, like yo, that one's the guy okay.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing. Like, I would tell you that Redman's a better MC, but I'm telling you that I'm signing Meth because Meth is the star and you can still hear that too. Yeah, that's fair between the two but that's why it works, though.
Speaker 3:That's why the combination works.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Dope Red talk. I like it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's finish with the Red talk right quick and get to a couple super chats. We went a little bit over on that one. So Red is celebrating two of his album releases, which is, you know Muddy Waters, which was released December 10th 1996, and Doc's know muddy waters, which was released december 10th 1996, and docs the name, which was released december 8th 1998. This is part of the run, guys. I mean I feel like this is a five and a four and that's what I mean. It's like if you look at his run in the 90s it's like, well, everything he dropped was a four or four and a half, four or five.
Speaker 2:It's like yeah, mr consistency, yeah, yeah and I want to talk about.
Speaker 3:I was talking about a bobby uh red man record I still listen to uh the goodness often like that joins us about how?
Speaker 1:about this? Like like people that have andre and black thought ahead of red man, where's your 1990s evidence? Think about it like where's your actual 1990s evidence? Yeah.
Speaker 3:I love those guys.
Speaker 1:And I prefer to listen to Black Thought and Andre Over Red.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm saying that it's like with a big speaking, I don't know how much you're going to love this is a sidebar, but I don't know how much you're going to love, andre, if you read that quote that he put out. Was it today? Yeah, that's not going to make the show today.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go to the Super Chat. Scott, of course I don't rock with JID. It's Mad Max with the 999 Super Chat. Of course I don't rock with JID. Shout out to Mad Max. His last album is just as weak as Good. Kid Mad City, or Strong or Strong we you Prefer Mad Max. He be typing too fast sometimes, fam, and I need to slow down. Mad.
Speaker 1:Max is crazy man. Yeah, mad Max is crazy. Cj the Kid with the $5 Super Chat. What's up guys? Hope you guys are doing well. Hope I didn't miss much Came in while you guys were talking about my hometown hero. Oh sorry, sorry to break your heart. Mad.
Speaker 2:Max $1.
Speaker 1:199. Redman is dark humor cane. He has a lineage. I don't know about that. I don't see the connection. I don't see the connection. I don't see it. Stuff that you want out. Yeah, you tried, mad Max. We got any more Super Chats on the board? Oh, we got plenty of Super Chats on the board.
Speaker 1:Andrew Williams with the 499 Super Chat. Nah spoilers Because of Nas. Subconsciously, we think every legend is supposed to be great for 30 years and it's just not reality. Nas' style is timeless. So, if I may, real quick, gentlemen, this is the effect that I was talking about this hit boy run was going to have on our generation, on our ears. It was going to make us look at all his contemporaries differently when they released projects. And I said this when this was going on, because I can remember when Rick Ross and big boy released their projects a couple of Decembers ago and I was like. I was like I know this project is good, but because of what Nas is doing and because these are peers quote unquote, big boy more so than Rick Ross, because Ross was a little bit later I'm like, but you know, elder Statesman in the game, I'm like, no, it's hard for me to enjoy these projects right now. And that's some of what has gone on with us, with our ears. For those of us that have heard, yeah, the.
Speaker 1:May Johnson with the 199 Super Chat. Unfortunately, Trey Young is the man at the garden. He really is.
Speaker 2:Yes, he is Shooting dice on the logo. That's crazy man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Great Trey must have went to the east side on the low. He must have went to Reed Ann Aceta Grove. That's crazy, mad Max. 999 Super Chat. Redman has his own tree of sons. How he not top 20? I can make the argument he's top 10 or no lower than top 15, and I don't even like Redman like that, because I don't get him, but I gotta respect him. Mad Max, I actually agree with you. I can't really be honest with you guys. I can't see an argument for actually even 15 MCs better than Redman when I think about it. But we can have that conversation. The other day I'm doing which?
Speaker 3:You got him right around next to Common about that ballpark, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I think, that's a good area. That's a good comparison.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same wheelhouse. He's somewhere in my 11 to 15 range with Common.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:Mad.
Speaker 3:Max is on again.
Speaker 1:And Redman is bizarro Kane. He's a bars rapper, rapper, punchline like, who just adds humor to his style. He's Kane with a twist. Pause, I'm not touching this, I still don't see it. Nobody knows what you're talking about. Mad Max, you trying son.
Speaker 3:But thank you for your super chats though.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you Gave it to you to prove that point.
Speaker 1:DJ BK with the $2 super chat. Is Doc's name better than Takao?
Speaker 3:No, no, but still a solid album. Doc's name is. I think that, like you said, Coop. I think both of them are fours. I'd give T'Challa four and Doc's the name of four, but not all fours are created equal, so I'm going with T'Challa Well how about this?
Speaker 1:If you actually look at the stuff that Redman did before and around Doc's name, doc's the name is the weakest project Like El Nino is better. Muddy Waters we know what Muddy Waters is Blackout that's coming right after is better. So all the projects around it are just better and so it seems kind of like just okay. But there's stuff on there Goodness, busta Rhymes, I'll Be that there's. You know. There's some of that Bullyfoot rap that he's, you know, infamously known for on there, of course. Yeah, all right, where are we going? We're gonna do a quick little classic rundown, right, quick yeah, we have to do this a run through yeah, personal favorite of mine, guys, carter 2, released december 6 2005.
Speaker 1:This came out when I was living in cali. This was my southern vibe. This and ti's king is what I played the most when I was out there. Commons b, carter 2, ti's king those were the three that were in rotation. Money on my mind is my favorite. Ti's King is what I played the most when I was out there. Commons B Carter II, ti's King those were the three that were in rotation. Money on my Mind is my favorite. Lil Wayne song. I think it's his best album to this day. I don't care what you Carter III motherfuckers have to say about it. With your corny pop tendencies Can't stand you. Happy ass Negroes. Carter II is his real album. I don't really got to say about the Carter 2, gentlemen, oh, oh no. The oh no interlude. That might have been the rhyme of the year in 2005 as well. I was just saying a lot Leather, so Soft was my joint on.
Speaker 2:It Was that on this one Carter 2, right Leather. So Soft Was that on here that was so soft on here.
Speaker 3:Hustle music. Hustle music.
Speaker 1:There's no. Birdman on here. This album can't be a classic as Birdman.
Speaker 2:I passed it to AJ.
Speaker 3:Pardon me, it's okay, hustle music, fly in, fly out. Money on my mind's up there. The Mob, the Mob mind's up there the mob, yeah, the mob. That's one of the best rap intros ever yeah, and like here's the thing I the the numbers are out of order, but the carter 2 is very much jay-z volume 1 to me, where yeah you know the bars are better, and you know, than the carter 3.
Speaker 3:But the carter three is the, the major album. Like jay-z's, volume two was his major album and it was the culmination of everything. But you know, the carter two, uh, he has a song, uh, best rapper alive on there, and not that I was really buying into that notion at that time, but it made me, like, really pay attention, like okay, I don't agree with that at all, but you know he's putting his name in the hat, though. You know what I'm saying. It was the combination of the mixtapes, carter two and all the features around that era, and carter three was just the culmination of all that. But for me as a fan, carter 2 was the one where I was really starting to buy into Lil Wayne.
Speaker 1:I agree. I love the Volume 1 analysis. I love that and the.
Speaker 3:East Coast aesthetic helped, because the Carter 1 didn't have the East Coast aesthetic that the Carter 2 has.
Speaker 1:Well, manny did all of the Carter 1. And then the fallout happened. And you know Manny did tracks for the Carter one and then the fallout happened. You know he was in. You know Manny did tracks for the Carter too. Carter too was what was getting made when the fallout happened and it made Wayne had to go in a whole, nother different direction. But I think that direction actually ended up helping him in the long run. It is his volume one in a lot of ways, like cause. In a lot of ways. Getting like money on my mind for me is very like imaginary players, like like cause in a lot of ways. Getting like money on my mind for me is very like imaginary players, like like it's that record that I identify Wayne like the.
Speaker 3:MC has. So yeah, but you, you, you was making a joke about the pop, the, you know, the pop um Carter three. Do you think that, around this era, where you'd have the show of the soldier feature and then shooter on his own album, that that was the start of that era?
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. I mean he was segueing in the superstardom. Don't get me twisted about the Carter 3. The Carter 3 is a great album. The Carter 3 is a great album. It's not, but it is a lot of that stuff on. There is like how about this? I feel like Drake wrote a lot of that album. That's how that album sounds.
Speaker 3:Time to segue.
Speaker 1:Time to segue. I feel like. Drake wrote a lot of that album. Them hooks on there got money. That's the way.
Speaker 3:Nah, that's pain, that's pain right there.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is that there were so many factors in the play. Wayne was so heavy. It was a lot saying is is that there were so many factors in the play, like wayne was so heavy it was a lot.
Speaker 3:It was a lot dude. Yeah, it was a lot it was a time.
Speaker 1:What I'm saying is is there are so many influences on that album. It's like well, it's like you can call that wayne's classic, but they're so collaborative to me in terms of the sounds, in terms of what I'm hearing, stylistically it don't sound like a little wayne album to me okay.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I agree with that, but and he was hanging out with the dip set a lot at that time you know what I'm saying, so you know you get that whole aesthetic. But we're arguing carter two versus carter three. So are we saying that he has two definitive classics?
Speaker 1:I think carter two and carter three are classics.
Speaker 3:I'm okay, okay I just wanted to clarify that we're saying that he has two, or was it one and a possible? Because either one could be the possible.
Speaker 1:Like you know what I'm saying so right, depending on how you feel and depending on where you follow him in his career and what you feel like, yeah, by modern standards.
Speaker 3:I think he does have two classes because if people say in like Forest Hills Drive and joints on that level is classic. And yeah, I think Carter two and Carter three are definitely definite classes.
Speaker 1:I think Carter II and Carter III are definite classics. I think Carter II and Carter.
Speaker 3:III are better than Forest.
Speaker 1:Hills Dress. I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's get to some more classic stuff, or not so much. Common Electric Circus, december 10, 2002.
Speaker 2:They're talking about Common right now in the chat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, stuff like this is why I have Redman over Common.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nah, I love this because it's necessary. Sometimes you gotta fall to get back up. You know what I mean. Like, listen.
Speaker 2:Gotta fall to get back up. Look at this album cover First of all.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna ask y'all a real question Would B be the classic that it is if this wasn't his predecessor? That's what made B that much more special. Still mad, it came after Nostradamus. We got that. We got Mama Said Knock you Out After Walking Like a Panther. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You need to stop that.
Speaker 3:B is one of the greatest Comeback albums of all time and as great as B is. We not hold a B as high if Electric Circus did not come before it.
Speaker 1:What? That's a fact. Not all falls are created equally Okay.
Speaker 3:All them falls are about the same.
Speaker 1:See, some falls are about the same. See, let's see, some falls are like falling off of Stone Mountain, where these racist-ass people put up these racist-ass white men on a big mountain here in Atlanta, georgia, so traumatized. It's like y'all actually did this. You let these white people get away with this crazy shit.
Speaker 2:It's tripping man and then, there's Mount Everest.
Speaker 1:Okay, falling off a stone mountain, falling off a stone mountain and falling off a Mount Everest, them ain't the same falls. Mount Everest type of fall put the cover back up the cover tells you everything that you need.
Speaker 2:It tells you everything y'all missing my point.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying I like Electric Circus. I just said it was necessary to his story because B is not held in the same regard if Electric Circus doesn't come before it. I'll put that on everything, and B is a great album.
Speaker 2:Look how he's looking on Electric Circus.
Speaker 3:Yo real question what do y'all got? Electric circuits or universal mind control? Which one y'all got?
Speaker 2:None of the above.
Speaker 3:Nah, you gotta pick one. Which one you take?
Speaker 1:Damn. Why would you do that to us? Why?
Speaker 3:would you do that to Common? It's a real question. Give me universal mind control, but which one you take?
Speaker 2:You're deflecting.
Speaker 1:Actually electric circuits have come close Universal mind control, but which one?
Speaker 3:takes it, You're deflecting Actually.
Speaker 2:Electric Circus has come close. It was a crash, that's it. They're both bad.
Speaker 1:Everything else is terrible between the two projects. It is.
Speaker 3:Is it Erica's fault?
Speaker 1:It's Dilla's fault. Who's the producer?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Erica was turning niggas out around this time man. They was making some wild stuff.
Speaker 1:Erica's been turning niggas out since 1996. Look man, erica. I never met Erica.
Speaker 2:I never met Erica. She had me writing some wild stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Erica man Common started wearing sweater-knit hats and made electric circus. You know, you see what 3K was doing. And then, like what's his name, jla Trotica disappeared, like look here, fellas, I seen Erica like in her prime.
Speaker 1:Me too cool, that waist with that ass.
Speaker 2:She was sitting down the whole. I saw her in Japan, man.
Speaker 1:I worked Seven's birthday party when they were younger like her and Dre. I came to one of the spots that I worked at. I worked Seven's fifth birthday party that Erykah Badu. Oh no Shit.
Speaker 3:Self-explanatory why he made Electric Circus. Your boy was. You know what I'm saying. He was a little smitten.
Speaker 1:That's that Texas.
Speaker 3:A little smitten with the mittens. That's a bar.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's not a bar. Don't do that again.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do that again.
Speaker 1:Not a bar.
Speaker 2:That's wild Yo is AG been drinking with the mittens? He's starting to leave.
Speaker 1:He's starting to leave the lot right now AG got a little rum in the egg.
Speaker 2:No, this is what he is. This is what he is hanging around. No, not at all. Not at all.
Speaker 3:Sean be saying this every show. You know what I say, coop. You remember on New Jack City? Not at all. Sean be saying this every show. Sean say this every show. You know what I say, coop. You remember on New Jack City, where he was like, yeah, the head of the TMP is back there, the educated brother. That's how Sean be trying to do me on every show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, educated brother in West Virginia.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's get to a couple of super chats and then finish up these anniversaries. Better hip-hop catalog Gibbs, wayne, k-dot Cole.
Speaker 2:That's tough, I got to give it to man. That's tough. I'm eliminating Cole. You kind of got to I'm eliminating Wayne.
Speaker 3:It's between Gibbs and Doc.
Speaker 1:I'm giving it to Gibbs.
Speaker 3:I could go either way.
Speaker 1:Well, here's how I feel. Gibbs doesn't have a subpar project for us to talk about.
Speaker 3:He has no business. These other guys do. But to Sean's point, gibbs don't have the it factor, so you kind of got to lean towards Kendrick a little bit in that regard.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one. That's a good one, mj, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:But he said catalog, not peak. If we're talking peak, it's Kendrick. If we're talking full catalog, it's still Gibbs, because Gibbs don't have no misses.
Speaker 3:It's still close, but people would say that Kendrick's hits like I don't like To Pimp a Butterfly like that, but To Pimp a Butterfly, damn Good. Kid. All rank higher than Gibbs' best. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's the thing. After that, though, it would be like seven Gibbs projects in a row.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, of course. But Good Kid, mad City is all-time. Gibbs, don't have an all-timer, you know no doubt.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 3:Gibbs don't have an all-timer. No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1:All right we got infamy.
Speaker 2:We got a couple more super chats Cool. We got like two more Good boy. Jermaine Johnson.
Speaker 1:No, I'm sorry, we got three more. Y'all spending bread today. Y'all spending bread today.
Speaker 3:Appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we appreciate y'all. Jermaine Johnson oh Ill Magic. The Hustle is the only song I like on Electric.
Speaker 2:You keep thinking that Ill Magic Jermaine.
Speaker 1:Jermaine, the album's not any good. I've been saying it for decades now. Jermaine Johnson with the $199 Super Check. Yep Nas' hit boy run happened after the Nasir album, jermaine, hey, hey, hey hey, it was necessary.
Speaker 3:That's my point. Jermaine gets it, thank you.
Speaker 1:Okay, nasir, thank you. Nasir has stuff like Cop Shot the Kid.
Speaker 3:The only one I go back to is White Label for me White Label, everything Like.
Speaker 1:No, there's stuff on Nasir, there's not anything on Electric Circus.
Speaker 3:There's stuff on Nasir, but the sentiment of what I'm saying. Jermaine gets it. Thank you. It's a necessary fall to rise from the ashes.
Speaker 1:Ill Magic 499. Erica had Common in a limbo, so much Kanye had to form an inception to pull Common back into reality with B.
Speaker 2:Ill Magic I had to put myself into. I never met her face to face. I just saw her on the scene.
Speaker 1:Yo, that's crazy what he seen. He seen that small waist and all that ass. I know what I seen. I seen her. I was like what the? I see where all these niggas from.
Speaker 2:I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3:Erica had comment wearing a potholder for a scully in the feet. I was doing the same thing and I was sitting down at the stage I left. Erica had a comment wearing a potholder for a scully in the feet.
Speaker 2:Oprah, I was doing the same thing and I was sitting down at the stage I left. I had to leave. It was an open field and she started playing the guitar and I was like. I'm listening right now. I had to leave To the stage.
Speaker 1:Changed your life, changed my life To the stage. Esquire with the five-dollar holler Did in my life Esquire with the five-dollar holler. Did y'all see Noble's interview about the Pac-Naz history? He says Naz fabricated his bars about QB chain and Pac's medallion, among others. I saw pieces of it. I haven't watched the full thing yet.
Speaker 3:I put the interview in the chat. Yeah, dude said that Naz didn't have his QB piece until 99 on the front of the QB Finest album. I'm like they can do your research because first of all he had that in 96 when it was written drop, because he got the Rap City interview with Big Les in 96 when the album was getting ready to come out and he's rocking the QB piece and the Herm album yeah. Yeah, he had it on before then they be trolling a lot on that channel.
Speaker 1:We're not playing those games today. Ghost with more fish 12-12-06, guys, what we think about more fish?
Speaker 3:I love that.
Speaker 1:You're the ghost guy. Go ahead and whack a poetic about more fish. Tell us how great it is. You know I love this album.
Speaker 2:Of course it was the carryover from Fish Scale. I've always felt that's all it was. It was more carryover than anything else. I love the album. I thought he was really putting the team on, putting his crew on. More than anything, I think Sun God to me stole the show off of Miguel Sanchez. We had Phantom of the Beats. We interviewed Phantom of the Beats twice actually and he actually produced that record and I still today think that that's one of the best records. That Ghost actually went crazy on on the remix actually because Sun God and Trife did that. But yeah, nothing more to say it was a solid effort. I think it was more about the. I think it was more just carry over from Fish Scale.
Speaker 3:I want to ask you a question on that, sean, since you're the ghost guy. Well, two questions. Do you prefer Fish Scale or More Fish, number one and number two. Do you think it would have been better served as a double album?
Speaker 4:I don't think it should have been a double album, I think.
Speaker 2:Fear Scale to me was on a higher clip. I think this was the leftover tracks going in from Fear Scale. I think that's why he called it more fish, Because I think during that time this came out in what 06, right, this came out in 06. He was in a creative mode during that time and he was also putting the Theodore unit. On point two, again, I still think that Sun God should have had a lot more to say on that album because he went crazy over Kel Sanchez.
Speaker 2:His son looked just like Ghost too. I met Sun God. He looked just like Ghost.
Speaker 1:What if I told you that he should have just put the best of this on fish scale and taken the weaker stuff off fish scale? And he should have just put the best of this on Fish Scale and taken the weaker stuff off Fish Scale. And he would have. I would be mad at that like a Fish Scale Deluxe.
Speaker 3:I feel like.
Speaker 1:Fish Scale is a classic to me. If I'm picking Ghost's albums, like me, for me it goes Supreme Iron Fish, then Bulletproof yeah, I feel like the best of more fish with a couple of proper edits on fish scale puts fish scale in supreme iron man territory, which I don't think it resides in I think that's a good point and that, and then he's walking around with three certified classics and then that's top five type shit when you're walking around with three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the weaker stuff hurts Like not certified.
Speaker 1:Like think about this how many guys are really walking around with three like where we know they got three?
Speaker 3:Jay Nas like it ain't too many, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's how I always look at More Fish. I'm like oh no. I wish you just would have put all that together and edited it out. I would have liked to see RZA executive produce More Fish and Fish Scale. I feel like that may have been the thing that would have been fire More Fish.
Speaker 3:the weaker songs do drop it down a little bit because, as constructed, I got Pretty Tony album over More Fish. Oh, me too oh.
Speaker 1:Pretty Tony's better than More Fish, but not better than. Gale. Right, right. I love Pretty Tony though.
Speaker 2:Pretty Tony was vintage goals for me.
Speaker 1:Pretty, tony rounds out my top five, and then I'd probably have More Fish at six or seven.
Speaker 2:Right, because More Fish is more compilation at six or seven. Because more fish, more compilation-driven than anything else. Yeah, that's a lot of them.
Speaker 1:Good compilation stuff. We got some crazy super chats coming in. Let's go ahead and get to them right quick. Cj the Kid with $5. Don't sleep on more fish. Had some bangers on there. Please tell them, Sean, that MF Doom produced joint was nuts it was. No doubt Shout out to CJ Okay, cj, don't be taking Sean's side in public.
Speaker 3:I'm mad we never got that collab album, though, man, I wish we'd have got that Doom and collab album Ghost in Doom.
Speaker 1:That would have been nice. Pocket full of ghosts $9.99. First super nice pocket full of ghosts 999 first super chat.
Speaker 4:Shout out pocket full of ghosts. Shout out sean, my marine brother sympathy.
Speaker 1:I live in the. I live in the greensboro by way of ga ag love. Show what. Just want to support the pod. Appreciate you, fam. My first, uh, my first crib was on yanceyville pocket cam porter, ten dollar hollow should. Should Benny get more credit for starting the album with Hit-Boy Wade?
Speaker 3:Nah King's Disease came before. Burden of Proof.
Speaker 1:We may not get the Nas.
Speaker 2:Hit-Boy but it did. No, it can't. Yeah. King's Disease came right before Burden of Proof. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We may not get the naz hit boy albums without naz hearing what hit boy was able to do with that question mark. I do feel like benny was working okay, so for me that for. So for me, the way that I was told how the naz thing unfolded is that he was just going to hit for a joint.
Speaker 2:That was it yeah that's how it started.
Speaker 1:And then he ended up coming back, and so there might have been some overlap in time in terms of Benny and how it came together, especially with how long Benny has taken to put together. I feel like when Benny works with Alchemist and Hit, he takes longer than he usually takes when he works with other producers. When he works with other producers. He just puts it out when he works with Al, he sits down and crafts it, and so maybe some overlap.
Speaker 2:King of the Seas came in August 2020. Burden of Proof came in October of 2020.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but a lot of people were pulling up on Hit-Boy at the same time. But the Nas joint started out as a. He said he wanted it to be a Valentine's Day EP. That's how we got joints like All Bad and as the World Was Won and all them joints, but then it took shape as King's Disease instead.
Speaker 1:Marquise Davis with the $20 super chat. Just want to give another anniversary shout out not an album, but a verse. Biggie recorded, in my opinion, his best verse in december 1996 with tracy lee. Keep your hands high. That second verse, big went, nuts, dude, just got better. I agree, tracy lee, the tracy lee shit I think it's conflicting stories.
Speaker 3:I've heard stories that that was the last verse he recorded. Then I heard victory was the last verse he recorded.
Speaker 1:I've heard victory, but all around the same time, those last run of verses. You can hear him somewhere where he's so comfortable and so he's on the mic and he's so. It's scary.
Speaker 3:He was leveling up.
Speaker 1:It's like when the best sniper, like becomes a better sniper and it's like, oh, everybody's dead, that's what. That's what listening to him like at the end sound like. It's like, oh no, everybody's in trouble, like that's a fact.
Speaker 2:But that's why, no, again, I don't give too much off topic. But that's why I am was gearing up to be a double cd, because while big was doing that, now he's also in the process of leveling up conceptually wise. That's why he wanted um the whole thing with I am to be the double cd the birth, the rebirth, all of that.
Speaker 3:So they was paying attention to each other. It's competition. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I mean Big said it himself about. You know what I'm saying Illmatic going to, it was written, took on ready to die listening to study shit. Now you on some money, shit, Successful, out the blue. They was talking to each other, they was paying attention to one another. And you said it yourself, coop, that you think that shootouts not shootouts, but the setup inspired was it.
Speaker 1:Niggas Bleed. No, no, it's a direct correlation. Go listen to the setup. And Niggas Bleed back to back. It's the same story. It's just Big made the ending funny where naz made the ending tragic.
Speaker 3:But that's who they are is like right now the cast was playing tennis, they was volleying back and forth.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm saying like the same story, yeah, um yeah yeah, man big was just skating on those records in such a way it's like it's who brandon rogers yeah, brandon rogers, with the ten dollar super chat. Speaking of ghosts, why did the original version of Bulletproof Wallets get sabotaged? The original track list didn't get sabotaged, it's just samples, didn't clear?
Speaker 2:So sad, so sad, that's four certified classics if the sample of Bulletproof Wallets cleared the watch.
Speaker 1:It's the watch and flowers that are really the one.
Speaker 2:And son with Slick Rick. Yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1:So these are like those splitting hair moments that people talk about, so like, okay, so here's how you need to look at this. Like, um, the samples that keep clearing on bulletproof wallets. That's like Katie's foot on the line against the bucks when he was with the nets. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh shit.
Speaker 3:He's like, no, it's like so I hate stuff like that and you talk about it all the time, coop the difference between the IM bootleg since we was talking about IM Project Windows, and then the joint that was released on Nostradamus.
Speaker 1:That Trackmaster bullshit they did to the Machine. My Rig beat.
Speaker 3:It makes a big difference how a sample is cleared or flipped. They changed the BPMs.
Speaker 2:They changed the BPMs they changed. The BPMs they changed everything.
Speaker 1:They changed the way it was looped. The loop was being flipped and dropping, and all that it still fit.
Speaker 3:Another example is Kanye with All Falls Down with the Lauren joint and then having to get Selena Johnson to do it. That's another joint. His still was out of here regardless, but if you heard the regular joint with the Lauren sample it hits different.
Speaker 1:It does, it hits different. Cj the. Kid with the $5 Super Chat. Funny thing, Coop, is that the general consensus feels like Fiskale is a certified classic. So does he have certified three classics to the rap community I don't think most people talk about nah. People don't talk about Fiskale the way they talk about Bulletproof, and I mean yeah real question, real quick do we count Cuban Link for Ghost or do we not?
Speaker 3:I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't because he doesn't have an album that's a classic in that chamber for me to be like, oh Ghost, really the author of that whole theme and that thing, and that's been Ray's whole season, his whole career.
Speaker 3:That's kind of like how you say with Big Boy and Dre. Like you know, Big Boy was like the author of a lot. Okay, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:Like Ghost, is a soulful guy. He just happens to be a street dude, so he fits with Ray's street ethos he balanced Ray out he balanced his Ray out right, like Ray not gonna do the soulful shit. Like how about this?
Speaker 3:I feel like a record like Rainy Days is not on the purple tape without Ghost you feel me that's a good point, that's a really good point and that was my favorite record on there at one point.
Speaker 1:But you right that's a ghost wheelhouse joint right, but most of it is aggressive street shit, which is Ray's wheelhouse, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Glacier to Ice, ice Water, spot Rushers, wugambinos, like that. Criminology, knowledge, god Incarcerated, scarfaces. No, that's Ray's wheelhouse. You are in Ray's chamber when you're in the purple tape. It's like Ghost is just the best. Like man, ghost is like Ghost is 91 Scotty Pippen. He's like no, he's like I'm not the best player, but I can shut down the other team's best player, magic, like he's like no, no, no, I'm invaluable.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm not the guy, he's got it, I could drop 30, though I don't know if he's dropping 30 yet, but he dropped in 2010 and 10.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, in that era, yeah, he hadn't ascended. He's brilliant on the purple tape, but he's not all-time great on the purple tape.
Speaker 2:He's the blunt force on the purple tape. He's the necessary blunt force.
Speaker 1:He's the force multiplier on the purple tape.
Speaker 2:Yes, because Ray is similar to AZ. In that regard, I've always felt that Ray and AZ are the opposites of the same coin. They relate back I like that you know. I mean, I think very mellow, mellow guys, I think the bright.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you brought that up. And so I think ghost most important contribution to the purple tape is actually his energy, because I think he's the guy that gets ray amped up on some of these records, like I think ice water is the prime example of that, you know, I mean the way ghost comes in it's like oh no. Ghost amps that record up like like oh no, like we, we gonna, we gonna go at this one. You know I'm saying check out the rap kingpin the black cheese.
Speaker 1:When he started doing that shit it's like oh no, no, that's infectious, has an mc. When somebody come on the track and start rapping, the way ghost raps on some of the songs he leads off on, it makes ray dig in like you know who it is like. Ray is like mike tyson in 88, like on the purple tape, like he hits everything so hard, but ghost is like the guy that's getting him amped up to hit the bag like that on a lot of those records Criminology, ice water.
Speaker 2:It's funny you say that. Cool, I know we don't want to get up these tangents, man, because we got some of the super chats, but it's funny you say that because I was listening to Immobularity on my flight. Why would you do that? Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. Immobularity is not a bad album. It's not bad but it's not good. I've said that for a long time. It's not a bad album.
Speaker 1:I'm not rolling with that one. It's the production.
Speaker 2:It hurts the production without RZA orchestrating. It hurts. It hurts Without Ghost's presence. It shows you how much he is needed, because I felt like ray didn't have a direction without ghost. Like you said, ghost was that that corner guy that pump amp you up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have that because he was like mike tyson losing custom auto yes, yes, that punch wasn't there, that punch wasn't as sharp I can shoot comments on Bill, but y'all can shoot Ray.
Speaker 3:Some Bill for immobility. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Electric Circus doesn't have Live from New Yorker sneakers on it. These are facts.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this, not album for album, which was the biggest disappointing album? Electric Circus coming from Common, or Immobility coming from Ray, after the Purple Tape? I mean, of course it's Purple Tape. No, you said, I mean yes or no, which one's the most disappointing?
Speaker 1:album it's Ray.
Speaker 3:AG. Thank you. You know that AG Immobularity doesn't work, because there's two albums in that class Immobularity and the Dogfather that's it. End Immobility and the Dogfather that's it.
Speaker 1:End of the class. No, no, no, prince of Darkness by Big Daddy King.
Speaker 3:Oh yes.
Speaker 2:Then there's that I was hoping you wasn't going to say that. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:That hurt me a lot boy. That was crazy I tried to listen to that album a couple of years ago. It still hurts. I was like no, no, no, I'm going to cut that shit off. Cut that shit off, cut that shit off right now.
Speaker 3:Jeez, it was bad.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Kang, though. Dogfather is the worst of the three in my opinion. Shout out to Moronarity Brandon Rogers no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cj the Kid. Jermaine Johnson. Jermaine Johnson $4.99 with the Super Chat. I hate when rappers rap about a bunch of random nothing. Also, I love when Ghost raps about a bunch of random nothing. He makes it sound so good.
Speaker 2:You know I don't feel good. That don't happen to my ghost. He's notorious for that. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:Okay, so first of all, Ghost is the only person that raps about nothing.
Speaker 3:That it sounds like something.
Speaker 1:That's the thing about it. His nothing sounds like something, though it's like hold on, it's like he's rapping in hieroglyphics.
Speaker 3:I just can't fathom riding a plane listening to Mobularity like yo. This plane could fall on the sky, but I'm going to put on a Mobularity, all the things that I can listen to. I'm going to listen to a classic.
Speaker 1:It's like no.
Speaker 2:I was doing it for a reason. I was listening to it for a reason I was listening to it for a reason I can't think of any.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess Jesus is the reason for the season, but even Jesus.
Speaker 2:Don't follow AG man. He's doing this because we got on with him. He's done this all the time. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:All the time spent with you has not been productive for AG. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 3:See, this is what Sean do. Sean say yo, the people need to see the real you. But then when I start to like you know what I'm saying, give little flashes of who I am Shaw's like you know. He act like I'm frontin' he act like I'm you know what I'm saying like I shouldn't give it to the people, but whatever he was saltwater fishing and doing hip-hop commentary when I met him and now he whole asshole because of you.
Speaker 1:Soft water fishing is crazy. You like that? Those are West Virginia shots. Sorry, shout out to West Virginia.
Speaker 3:That's crazy man.
Speaker 1:We got to get to these Super Chats, fellas. We got a bunch and we got to wrap up Cam Porter with the $5 Super. Chat which album do you think will be better? Snoop and Dre or Nas in Premiere? Neither Next Guys.
Speaker 3:Nas in Premiere Stop it Coop.
Speaker 1:That, guys, now's in premiere. Stop it Coop.
Speaker 2:Well, that's only because you've heard the crappy songs coming from Missionary. Don't worry about that, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3:We're going to see you tonight. The album already leaked, by the way, I've heard and you know what people are saying.
Speaker 1:Get those titties four thumbs down. Cj, the Kid with the $5 super chat, go say if the OG Bulletproof wallets were to have come out, that it would have been better than Supreme. He thinks Thoughts. Yeah, he also thought he's not rapping that good on Iron man.
Speaker 1:So that's what we think about Ghost. That's what we think about when Ghost thinks about his own stuff. It's like, well, he thinks that he's not that good on Iron man. So you can go ahead and take that thought, and take those Iron man thoughts and we'll just keep on handing him out fives when he makes product like that. How about that? Kim Porter? Fish Gale is to ghost what American Gangster is to Jay-Z. I can see some of that.
Speaker 3:It ranks about the same in their catalog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I can see some of that Shout out to Cam CJ, the Kid with the $10 holla. I'm telling you guys, people do consider Fish Scale up there. They may consider it number three, but it's considered top three. I wouldn't lie If you guys disagree. That's one thing. I don't disagree with that. It's my number three too. I just think that people have Bulletproof and Pretty Tony close to Phish Scale and it's not close to Supreme and Iron man. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:Whatever you have at number three between any of those albums is respectable.
Speaker 1:It's a separation, yeah Alright, any more Super Chats.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Two more Yep I see it it ghost 499, jermaine johnson ghost can make saying supercalifragilistexpo backwards sound like, sound like an ill bar okay, and he did it. Yes, oh my god we just we know you're gonna co-sign it, of course, williams, with the file on Chat, do you think we're approaching the point where it will become difficult to rank Big over Kendrick. If not, what does Dot have to do to surpass Big?
Speaker 2:Nothing. There's nothing. What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:There's nothing he can do. Big for me in the vacuum is the best dude I ever heard. He's the best guy I ever heard, so it's like I'm not like. He's the best guy I ever heard, rap.
Speaker 3:We just talked about that keep your hands high verse. I love Kendrick, I rock with him, but point to one of those. You know what I'm saying Okay.
Speaker 1:So how about this? Think about the verses that he did that were not on his album the year before he died. He has more verse of the year contenders in that one year than Kendrick has had in an entire career.
Speaker 3:Can't stop the rain too.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm saying Think about the verses the year before.
Speaker 3:Can't stop the rain. Victory, keep your hands high. He was going crazy. The Junior Mafia joints, even though they was 95. Crazy, get Money.
Speaker 1:Remix, doing bar, seminars about Big for years, yeah, that was a power pack three or four years.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Lightning in the bottom, the best three or four years of rap I ever rapped. It's just only three or four years. But as far as rapping goes, yeah, ain't nobody rapped better than he rapped while he rapped like, especially that those last 18 months, man is it was crazy even for pot and not last 18 months was crazy.
Speaker 2:He was leveling up as well. He was leveling up man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were both leveling up but, you felt like Big had just figured it out. Pac had already had it figured out. Pac was just getting better. Pac had been figuring it out. Pac had already knew how to go platinum and make the hit records and make classes. Pac already figured it out. Pac was just getting better as an emce MC. Big was starting to do other shit.
Speaker 3:The word you used was like comfortable and you know and this is a dope tangent and we you know what I'm saying, going off on tangents, but one thing I'll say Big, having his leg broken, I think, was one of the ironically the best things that could ever happen to him. You listen to, ready to to die, how he's attacking the mic on um life after death, and then those features in that era where he had to sit down and rap in the booth. Everything is like wild, comfortable and just like you know what I'm saying, it's not as energetic, but it's still silky smooth or whatever.
Speaker 1:So so for somebody that were to rap or looks at rap fundamentally using a metronome. In terms of rapping, you have to understand. Some of the styles Big is using on Life After Death is so ahead of its time that it sounds offbeat to you. The first time you hear it, you think he's offbeat. If you go listen to him on Last Day to you, the first time you hear it, yeah, you think he's offbeat.
Speaker 1:If you go listen to him on Last Day, I remember the first time I heard him on Last Day, I'm like he's offbeat. And then I went back and listened. It's like he's not offbeat, he's ahead of the beat and on top of the beat. I don't think I've heard anybody rap on top and inside on the beat at the same time, like when he breaks it up and says, make you a classic, like my first LP, and when he starts flipping it like that, it's like, oh no, it sounds like it's off. The first time you hear it and you realize it's like, oh no, it's not off, he's trying some shit, he's playing with his flow, yeah, and it's working.
Speaker 2:On. He's trying some shit, he's playing with his flow and it's working on the Patreon show. I'm going to share my disc record I have from Big that was never released alright, so what's the next album that we have? I'm going to play it.
Speaker 1:GZ with the inspiration 12-12-06.
Speaker 2:I'm going to play that joint for y'all please don't GZ with the inspiration 12-12-06. Sean is not giving out inspiration. I'm going to play that joint for y'all. Please don't.
Speaker 1:What do?
Speaker 2:y'all think about the inspiration by GZ.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything to say about it. Really. I mean, you really want to know the truth. Ag, ag. What are your thoughts about the inspiration by GZ?
Speaker 3:I still want to battle low with Jadakiss, jeezy versus Jadakiss, but at any rate Jeezy had a run you know what I'm saying a dope run of albums, the trilogy, you know, the Thug Motivation, the Inspiration and the Recession. But I would rank this one last out of those first three. I think Recession is better and Thug Motivation is evidently a classic. But you know, the Inspiration definitely has some joints on there. That's all I got to say about that.
Speaker 1:As far as sophomore albums go, this is not Immobiliarity, the Dogfather, prince of Darkness, but it's not any damn good. This album ain't no goddamn good. Not at all. There you go, coop. I don't believe. Maybe it's the Christmas spirit that's taking over me by humbug if it has but I've been agreeing with Sean on the show. Sean is right this album is not any damn good.
Speaker 3:Look at the Atlanta power Make your coop freeze yeah. Yeah. Three in the morning, atlanta, messing with your Wi-Fi Coop. They didn't like that.
Speaker 1:Three in the morning with Timberland is the only good joint Rest of it's forgettable. It's not good. It's not a good album.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Atlanta started messing with Koop Swap. I didn't like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did y'all not hear me or see me?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you was freezing like crazy bro.
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't care. Everybody knows how I feel about Jeezy down here. I'm his biggest supporter and biggest fan. It's Almano damn good. I call it like I see it Almano, damn Good. I had Trapper Die and Thug Motivation 101 to go off of before this, and then you gave me this it's nothing, goddamn good. And then after that, you gave me Trapper Die 2 and the Recession.
Speaker 3:I'm not nothing. It's Almano goddamn good. So you're saying if Lil' Everest stopped ducking smoke or the verses that he couldn't pull, nothing from this?
Speaker 1:album he can pull three in the morning, produced by Timbaland, and he can't pull anything else. And even if he pulled that he might catch the fade. I'm just asking questions, man 96 Nas fade with the lines Fade.
Speaker 3:Sean want me to be myself, then when I'm on myself it's a problem. I don't understand.
Speaker 2:I gotta remind myself, sean is not a positive motivating force within your life.
Speaker 1:Cj, the Kid with the $20 super chat. At this point, a rapper can drop 20 game changing, five mic albums in a row and people will still put Big over Sad MC with only five years F, that is. Oh God, cj kid, have you been hanging out with Mad Max? I know you guys are going to shoot at me. Go ahead. Super Paul's LOL. Cj, cj, cj. Don't hang out with Mad Max anymore.
Speaker 3:That's not even a fair statement. Andre is the what I tell people all the time. Andre 3000 is live and breathing well, but you could take big in those four, four or five years and have. He still has more verses than Andre has out there in 2024. Big still has more verses to his catalog. So I, if big is still eligible to be in the top few, top five or whatever people put Andre there, I don't see the problem in putting Big there, even though it's a limited catalog. I really don't.
Speaker 1:More verses and better verses. Ag, Not just more, but more and better.
Speaker 2:We got a couple more super chats.
Speaker 1:And he died when we were in high school. Nigga, we are old, our children are in high school.
Speaker 3:Thank you, Coop.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We are old, our children are in high school. He is still at Raptors fan. Don't get me started with this shit.
Speaker 2:He still resonates.
Speaker 1:Mad Max we slandering Dot. Why does everybody keep talking about Dot when we ain't talked about Dot during this show? Like, really at all, nobody slandering.
Speaker 3:Dot, no, that's what Mad Max wants to do, he not?
Speaker 1:A-plus or Mr Cheeks. He not A-plus, or Mr Cheeks. Mad Max, are you from Queens? Mad Max always Mr Cheeks, and A-plus, not A-plus.
Speaker 2:Yo shout out to Mr Cheeks man, yo, you remember the A plus joint with AZ Like A plus one or something like that Tired of publications.
Speaker 1:Hyping up that bump sounding like Urkel with a wedgie.
Speaker 3:That's like Urkel with a wedgie.
Speaker 1:Urkel with a wedgie is nasty work. Mad Max, you need to chill out my dude.
Speaker 2:This is wild, mr U Cheeks. Oh my God, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:First of all, Mad Max Mad. Max. Mad Max no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. Stop, stop this. Right now, mad Max. We're banning the use of the word cheeks on this show, because we can't trust Sean Yo what we can't trust Sean.
Speaker 3:Yo man, we gotta reel it in, man I see you, jarv.
Speaker 1:What up? No, no, no, this whole episode's been off the hinge. Let's get to the Purple Haze talk One more, one more.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no more.
Speaker 1:Please make it stop. Chris Doherty, $2 super chat Coop. Really tired of K-Dot Talk. His voice annoys me. I mean, it's not a great rap voice, you know. Unless you're talking about my voice, my voice is stellar and you can kiss my ass if you're talking about my voice.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:You better be talking about K-Dot CJ the Kid. I've never seen you so disgusted. Ag Apologize, hello.
Speaker 2:Al.
Speaker 1:I'm glad y'all seen this y'all. It's been well-read. Let's get the Purple Haze One more.
Speaker 2:One more for Purple Haze and just real quick you forgot the Infamy album came out.
Speaker 1:I didn't forget I was trying to skip over it, because it's not any good either. It is good, it's not good.
Speaker 2:Burn is good, but that's it. You know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying and handcuffs.
Speaker 1:I like handcuffs, but have it.
Speaker 2:I don't like that song. I hate that song with the passion.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, I mean Crawling, was it felt flat.
Speaker 1:Ooh, there's something Getaway. That's the one Getaway.
Speaker 3:Getaway is hard. Getaway is hard.
Speaker 1:Getaway is dope. The Learning Burn is a classic, that's it. When I heard the Learning I was like it's almost over, because I felt like Havoc and Noid just destroyed Burn. And I have to be honest with you, the biggest disappointment for me about Prodigy and his career is his verse on Burn.
Speaker 3:The whole album Havoc, I'll rap.
Speaker 1:P on the whole album. I'm not talking about the album because I don't mean any good. I'm talking about the last class songs. They made.
Speaker 2:That was the small point. P was distracted.
Speaker 1:This was their downfall, havoc is crazy on Burn Niggas want to ride up by the crib. All slow Clap, motherfucker. Want a real rap show.
Speaker 3:The hook was the highlight. Shout out to Vita for the hook. The hook was the highlight.
Speaker 1:I think Noid was the highlight of Burn actually. I think Noid's the highlight.
Speaker 3:You know what? I'm going to nominate Noid for the next Discord Dialogues man, because Noid don't get enough credit out of you. Shout out to Noid.
Speaker 1:That verse on Burn. That's a bar seminar. Let me tell you how it's going down. The love me now. They can't forget me now.
Speaker 2:Go away crazy on the free agents double CD. Remember the free agents double CD.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, no, he got bar work. No, bar work is high level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah he definitely needs flowers, he definitely needs flowers.
Speaker 1:Queens MC Supreme, you know what I'm saying. Queens New.
Speaker 2:York.
Speaker 1:Mets signing Juan Soto. Oh no, no, no, no. You gotta suck at that, your team sucks. Juan Soto's not gonna make it better. Just stick the MC in. Post a little viral vibe about that. Tomorrow team's sucking, not going to the World Series. Couldn't beat the Dodgers, couldn't beat the Yankees with Yankees, couldn't beat the Dodgers with Juan Soto. Ain't no New York team winning shit, sean. But anyway, another conversation for another day. Yeah, that's crazy, man. You like how I did that. You like how I snuck that in. Purple.
Speaker 1:Haze by Cam Purple. Haze by Cam fellas, Last classic album discussion. Then we need to talk about this Cam 50 interview which I really really thoroughly enjoyed. Highlights, purple Haze, for me are Kill a Cam and Get them Girls. Those were instant Kill a Cam classics for me. Really dope project. Megahertz did a lot of work on this album, if memory serves.
Speaker 2:No doubt yeah.
Speaker 3:I love this album but I hollered at one of my homies because his favorite rapper is Cam. He don't think Cam the best of all time, but his favorite is cam. So I asked him you know, for this segment around this era, um the rockefeller days, which album did he hold higher? Purple haze or come home with me? And he said that he liked purple haze much better because it's quintessential cam versus come home with me. You could tell it was more of a concerted effort to integrate him into the rock sound and everything was going on with them around that time. But purple haze is more of a cam album and then I kind of feel what he was talking about he's right and and the beats are better, but the songs aren't better.
Speaker 1:The beats are better and he's better, but the songs aren't better.
Speaker 2:The percussion on here is great.
Speaker 4:And I love Purple Haze you got to think about it.
Speaker 2:Purple Haze was actually written in 2001. It was written around Come Home. He just didn't release it until a couple of years later because remember Purple Haze. He asked you to put Purple Haze on hold so the Dipset movement can get off, because Dipset came out in 03.
Speaker 3:That is right. I forgot about that. Yeah, you are right.
Speaker 1:When he said Poughkeepsie to Pepperdine, I was told on Get Em Girls. When he said Poughkeepsie to Pepperdine, I was like I'm in. I was like I'm in. I was like I'm told. I was like he put Poughkeepsie to Pepperdine in a bar bar work. I don't care what the fuck he's talking about at this point.
Speaker 3:Cam is another one who don't be talking about nothing, sometimes with a self-love tale.
Speaker 1:I was rocking pink polos and you can ask people about me. I was rocking pink polos before. It was a thing with Cam. He definitely upped my ante some when I broke my pink polos back out there. Like you're trying to be like Cam, like who's been doing this? I keep computers puking. Don't get shot at that's what I do to shoot. I was down 40. Now I'm up 50. Buck, 50. Buck quickly. Who can fuck with me? Killer, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Cam swaggy man Cam, one of the best All style points.
Speaker 1:Charisma and style points on Purple Haze. Is almost ODB level on Purple Haze. Is almost ODB level on Purple Haze ODB level.
Speaker 2:Style points on Purple Haze People confuse that computer's computing as if that was some corny shit.
Speaker 3:But Purple Haze Killer went crazy on Purple Haze.
Speaker 2:Even Jewel. Jewel set the album off after Killer went to the intro and then he ended the intro with next up Santana and Jewel. Jewel set the album off after Killer Wings the intro and then he ended the intro with Next Up Santana and Jewel came in right after that joint and again Jewel was. I want to say this real quick so we can move into the K-15 point, because this bothers me a lot, because New York had a chance to wrap their arms around Jewel. Jewel should have been the transition for New York hip-hop during that era, because Jewelz was the one he messed that up.
Speaker 2:He messed that up he did he did, he did, it was self-inflicted. They were beeping with so many people at the wrong time. I mean True Life was beating them up and everything Shout out to True Life. True Life was beating them up and everything Shout out to True Life. True Life was on Jim Jones' head, man. And you know, for me, queens, we were like yo, we don't mess with you, know them guys like that straight up because of you know Bravehearts and Nas and Dipset issues and things of that nature. So it was like yo, we're not messing with them.
Speaker 2:Harlem cats, man, they corny, mad corny, but corny, mad corny. But at the same time they were a big piece to the movement because in 03, when Dipset came out, dipset really been planting that flag for New York at that time, along with 50 and G-Unit. So you know again, jewel's had that opportunity. If he would have get that run going off with Wayne, that would have been a transitional moment for New York hip-hop. And we lost that moment, man, because the South was clicking up when New York was at odds. We were at odds so heavy. Every barrel was beefing. No rappers wanted to collaborate and it was clear.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's crazy about that when you're saying all that you know the main cats that used to get played down here was Dipset right I believe you. Because this was the swag era and Cam had the most swag of all the New York rappers. That includes 50. It's like more cats down here fucked with Cam on a street level than fucked with 50. They fucked with 50 sound vocally but as far as the street dudes down here, it's like it was Cam who they gravitated towards.
Speaker 1:Range looked like Laffy Taffy. It's like, oh no, that's how they talk down here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, you're right. Yeah, joel dropped the ball, but you can say the same thing for Lloyd Banks too, around that era.
Speaker 2:I don't think Lloyd had the panache in Calvin Candy's voice, the panache that Jules had man.
Speaker 3:But he was a platinum artist. They were supposed to be the next up in that era.
Speaker 2:That was because of G-Unit, they just wanted it. Everyone was platinum out of G-Unit, off of that 50-cent run. Everybody they were sneezing. Yo. What are the thoughts for Predicate Felon or whatever? Yeah, yo, it went gold I think. I think it went close to platinum.
Speaker 3:It went close to platinum. To me that was the best out of all the G-Unit members outside of 50.
Speaker 2:Damn Coop, the dog just took Coop's phone. This dog was falling out tonight. Coop's dog just attacked him. Yo, we got some super chat. Damn Coop, you good, the dog took your phone. No, no, she got a car.
Speaker 1:Look, she got a car now she don't know me.
Speaker 2:Who's that? Who's that your daughter?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she don't know me no more, oh he said your dog.
Speaker 3:He thought he said your daughter. The phone from you.
Speaker 1:Oh man, punk-ass dog, look at me and this dog from you. Oh man, punk-ass dog, look at me and this dog. These are first-world problems. So I'm going to be thankful that I'm dealing with these first-world problems.
Speaker 2:Your Mad Max is bugging man. We got some Super Chats. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I see him, I see him. Let's go ahead and get to these Purple Haze. Better than Ye albums, you guys. Whoa, whoa, mad Max, mad Max, have you been drinking Moonshine corn liquor, I think?
Speaker 2:Mad Max. Same production level. What is Mad Max from?
Speaker 1:CJ the Kid. If Snoop were to die in 95, he would be top 5 or 10. Cj man whoa, that's heavy. I have Snoop high, but no, cj the Kid. I'm a little worried. It's not like you to talk like that. Have you been hanging out with Mad Max?
Speaker 2:this is what I do with CJ. Cj has a dark. Is this what I do with CJ man? This is what I do with CJ. Cj has a dark.
Speaker 1:Is this what you do, within Discord With CJ? Yeah, this is why I'm out. It's a mental health choice by me.
Speaker 3:Thankfully for the hip-hop community, snoop is alive and well and his album drops at midnight tonight. Missionary.
Speaker 2:That's what CJ says.
Speaker 1:This album sound like some mid and not some. That's the real problem. Mad Max, with the 999 Super chat, cj, the kid Did not listen to anything. Mad Max Says moving forward Juelz was on that jawbreak, jawbreakers. We're not reading anymore Of the super chat. We're not reading anymore of the super chat. We can't, we can't. We're not reading anymore of the Super Chats. We're not reading anymore of the Super Chats. We can't, we can't.
Speaker 2:We're out. Mad Max, we're out. Mad Max must be from Astoria man. We're not, we're not.
Speaker 1:You started off the Super Chat with Jawbreaker that's crazy With all these things we have going on.
Speaker 2:That is crazy, all these things we have going on. That is crazy, all these things we have going on.
Speaker 1:He was more class clownish than can. He was a bad rapper. I like Jewel's, but come on, he was preschool rhyming, it's very disrespectful.
Speaker 2:He underachieved man. Hold on, Hold on.
Speaker 1:Wayne pulled a lot of his style from that time, from Jewel. So what was Wayne doing? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Jewel's. They were supposed to do an album. I can't feel my face.
Speaker 3:I can't feel my face. I feel like that's what Mad Max is saying right now.
Speaker 1:Get out of my head AG. I'm like that's probably what Mad Max and that fucking 8-Ball sitting on the table while you're watching the show Mad Max and that fucking 8-Ball sitting on the table while you're watching the show Mad. Max, like Tony Montana, mad Max. Mad Max, take it from somebody that has lived it. Strippers and cocaine is not the way to go, mad Max, there's other ways to resolve these issues.
Speaker 3:Okay, so 50 and Cam.
Speaker 1:Sorry, did I say too much. Did I say too much?
Speaker 3:Cam interviewed 50 cents.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean it fixed some of the issues, but it didn't. No, it does not.
Speaker 3:The thoughts abused by Tom Cooper are not the head of hip-hop talks.
Speaker 2:I can't do this, man. I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 3:Cam in 50.
Speaker 1:It's like 12 days of Christmas left. Get nine Lords of Leaping and fucking, 10 ladies dancing and fucking make this shit happen.
Speaker 2:Five golden rings, nigga. This dude said last month about the kids. Like who said he for the kids? Now he telling the kids to do cocaine to go to the strip club.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So 50 don't know.
Speaker 1:So 50 and Cam. Hopefully you don't have to go through that. I'm just saying it wasn't all bad.
Speaker 2:It was all bad, it's mostly bad. It's nothing good, right HE? Nothing good coming out of that I have nothing.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to talk about 50 and Cam.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get to the 50 and Cam interview. So I thought Cam did a great Interview with 50. 50 is one of our. I try to find Somebody to compare him to in terms of an interview, but he might be hip hop's best Interview guys.
Speaker 3:Without question. 50 is.
Speaker 1:Hip hop's best interview, isn't he?
Speaker 3:Funny, very intellectual. You know what I mean Like charismatic, insightful unfiltered, no holds barred.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to tell you what I realized. The problem with him and Jay was Jay was actually the best interview until 50 came along, and that's some of the problem. He didn't steal some of his shine like musically and record-wise, because Jay don't have two diamond albums. 50 does, I think Jay kind of awkward in interviews, though. I mean not in a bad way.
Speaker 3:He has that dry humor, and you know what I mean, kind of.
Speaker 2:Condescending. I'm bigger than the interview itself.
Speaker 3:You know, he'll get intellectual sometimes. I think 50 is a better interviewer.
Speaker 1:No, what I'm asking you to do is see y'all are thinking about modern day, jay. I need you to think about 96 to 2003, jay. That guy gave a different interview he did yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean for that era. Yeah, jay was probably the best interview, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Until 50 came along, Jay was actually the best interview to have.
Speaker 3:But 50 takes every box. On an interview, though, he's very good.
Speaker 1:So even when 50 was talking about Jay, I realized it's like, hey, you want to know what it's like. This guy is just as charismatic as Jay and a little bit more crazy and off the hinge and way more fun to fucking talk to. And I realized something cj is smart. Jay sees that shit too, and that's why jay don't like 50.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying and another thing too rap shit 50 can appeal to a wider audience. Even if you look at the music that 50 makes and you listen to his interviews, he can go have a, you know, a great conversation with, like uh, you know I'm saying, uh, I don't know uh, martha stewart or whoever. You know what I'm saying like, you know, for the, like the white, you know I'm saying mainstream audience and it'd be very, you know, palatable for them.
Speaker 1:You know, despite the music that he makes, you know some cold shit that he said in this interview was when he talked about. He was like my fans got money now. And I'm thinking to myself when he said that I'm like nigga, you went diamond 20 years ago talking about my fans got money now. Yeah, think about the business mind and how that works. He was like my, my fan base was in the club. He's like now my fan base is in their 40s. He's like they have become successful. But he is talking about and here's what people are missing His fan base is different. His first single is in the club. He don't just got guys like me and you. He got girls in London. Yes, dudes in London, yes, dudes in Paris. You get what I'm saying. So when he is talking about his fan base.
Speaker 1:Being successful that's what people are talking about when they're talking about a hit record will change your life. He has two Diamond albums but he has a Diamond single in the club. Yes, it was everywhere. Different fan base, different fan base when you make that kind of hit record and not to be funny. That's why when he's saying on piggy bank that nigga fat joe thought lean back was in the club, my shit sold 11 mil, shit was a.
Speaker 1:No, he's speaking to it's like oh no I got fans for life off this record that I can go and tour off of because I didn't make a record. I made the record that year.
Speaker 2:That's a travel record, man, yeah that's the record that year.
Speaker 1:That's the record that year. That is a hip-hop 50 record. That's one of the best rap records ever. The impact of it is just too monstrous. How many diamond rap singles do we have that are actual, verifiable rap songs? Guys, get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Right. No, you're right Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's like when he's talking and I'm hearing all of these things, I'm like man, I'm like this guy's a genius, yeah, and he doesn't get enough credit. Like we call nas a genius, we call jay a genius, we call dre a genius. No, like he, he in that box, guys, like we like. Too often I think people try to place him outside of that box because he's so unfiltered. But he's a genius and like when he is talking it is. I don't take notes on too many interviews anymore, guys. It's the first time I've taken notes on an interview in a long time. It's like because of the stuff that he was saying, I was like I need to write that shit down.
Speaker 3:There you go, sean. He drops jewels. What I love about 50 interviews he always makes outstanding points but he'll frame it to you in a question, like you see what I see, right, like you know what I mean. That's the way he'll, like you know, frame what he's talking to you about and he always makes crazy good points. But you know, like Koop was saying, the business talk.
Speaker 3:I love to see how the rappers from our generations are in their lives after rap you, you know and the business talk that 50 and cam were having because cam's a business now, businessman now as well, and he done, you know, uh, revamped himself and the discussions that they were having. It was really good to see and we should be taking notes coop and um, they were, they were, uh, their business acumen was just really on display in that interview. But the biggest takeaway for me was it's good to see them because they were clowning about, like when they were into it with each other and they were beefing and how you know, cam was talking about how 50 moved during the beef and all that and they was laughing about it. It's good to see stuff like this years later, them just chopping it up and laughing about everything that happened back then.
Speaker 1:So no, I love it. This is what I mean. People need to understand this. Cameron and 50 are two of our more astute businessmen.
Speaker 2:Cam is a good businessman.
Speaker 1:Cam doesn't get enough credit for his astute businessmen.
Speaker 3:If you don't know what type of businessman he is, listen to him tell the story of how the verses with the locks came about.
Speaker 1:Listen to that the verses with the locks in the garden. All that happened because of Cam Cam is the one that got everybody paid Cam, made sure everybody got money. Cam made sure everybody ate.
Speaker 1:So sometimes when you're dealing with these guys that are charismatic, that have had past, they have, you know, done nefarious things and been engaged in illegal activities. They rap, which people sometimes don't take seriously as a sport. But to hear these men talk business, talk, branding, talk, marketing, talk equity, even talking about like, one of the biggest things Cam gave 50 props for is what he started off with. He's like man. He's like how the fuck did you get 15 million dollars for a residency in Vegas for six shows? Think about that. Do the math of six divided into 15. Fifty getting two point three mil a show in Vegas on a residency. Cam is looking at those numbers and it's like 2.3 mil a show. He's like that's absurd for a nigga who rap, right, and so he wants 50 to explain to everybody, business wise. How did you get to the point of being able to make these things happen? These are the things we need to be taking notes on.
Speaker 1:We don't have to be taking, like you may or may not make in the club Right, but as an artist, I found this conversation between the two of them Cause I don't even think it was an interview. It was a conversation between the two of them.
Speaker 1:I found it to be so motivational and inspirational. Sean went when 50 seconds this is the is the key to success it put a battery in my back a little bit. I was like yep. I was like cause you got to keep going and keep being consistently good to great at it. Do it got to keep going and keep being consistently good to great at it. Do it all the time and and you know, and put in the work and pay your dues and make the right connections and make the right resources and make the right decisions. But you have to be consistent. Consistency is the key to success.
Speaker 1:They said so many things during that, during that conversation, that I feel like, just as like, if you're an entrepreneur, if you're a businessman, forget the rap, forget the music, if you just aspire to be great at whatever it is. This was a super enjoyable conversation and I love 50's honesty. I'm just going to call a spade a spade. Jay's a fucking hater and 50, see, this is where I've been hanging around Sean too much too, and 50 is really just speaking about it, and this is what I mean about 50 being a genius as a businessman is because 50 knows that he has to still run in so many circles where Jay is going to be around. He won't just come out and call him a fucking hater, like I will. He'll just show you. He'll show you the hater brick road. You know what I'm saying. He's like look at the hater brick road this nigga be paving.
Speaker 3:When you refer to somebody as old boy, you know there's some shade about to come Like yeah, old boy.
Speaker 1:Hold on hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold on. At a nigga from Southside Jamaica Queen saying old boy.
Speaker 2:It is bad. Yo AG crazy, Because what I've been telling you the whole time, old boy ain't on. Old boy yeah.
Speaker 3:And then Cam. You know what I'm saying. It's like when you know, you know. And Cam was like. For those who don't know, he's talking about Jay-Z Right and Cam knew immediately who he was talking about. Right, because Cam's a stupid businessman too.
Speaker 1:He's like what you're talking about, because think about this 50 said something during the interview and he was actually talking about Cam. He's like you know. I've talked to people that have done business with him and I've heard but that was the funny. I'm like the nigga you talking to right now. That told you stuff. What are you talking?
Speaker 3:about. But that's the funny part of the dichotomy, because they used to be enemies but now they cool, but they still got somewhat of a common enemy in a way, so it's like they can clown about it.
Speaker 1:Hey, he didn't make a lot of friends to get to where he got.
Speaker 2:But he also didn't shit on people to get to where he got. Neither, to be honest, Because if you listen to what he really said, he asked a lot of questions when he's actually doing business, and that's one of the things you have to always understand. You can't jump to the first situation that looks good and when it goes again, shout out to 50. We, my team I don't want to go into details of what I do for a living or whatever, but my team, my Louisiana team. Yeah, I got my team. He's like Tommy from Martin.
Speaker 1:He's Tommy from Martin. We've been trying to figure out for six months what the fuck Sean did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's great, that's a great thing, Hiring a private investigator, that's great.
Speaker 2:I'm not taking any resumes, but we did some site surveying over in Shreveport.
Speaker 2:Because you know when he did that studio thing over there, that whole land over there was bad. It was really bad land over there and he took that and flipped it and a lot of people in Shreveport and Alexandria, louisiana, shout out to the team over there West Monroe, all of that. You know that's casino area as well. So there's a lot of money that was just sitting and it's on a border getting into Texas and there's a lot of old money that was just sitting there and no one wanted that property and he took it Go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Finish that thought.
Speaker 2:We were looking at that property like somebody needed to take that. We heard that he put in the licenses and everything. We knew how it was going to change the economy over there. We started having some conversations around how it was going to impact the businesses over there. Just that quick, because 50 went over there, the businesses in that entire northern part of Louisiana. It boomed over 400 basis points within two weeks just because he made a surge over there. He got up a dirt cheap business move.
Speaker 1:So this is what I mean when I say that there are so many jewels in this interview. First of all, I love that you're breaking down because I'll just say Sean does have a real job. Guys like I do know what sean actually does. That is just. That is just a joke, because you know how we do they be like you know.
Speaker 3:You know this nigga cool call sean out like this but this is what I mean.
Speaker 1:So if you're a businessman and this is what I mean there are jewels. When cam asked him why he chose shreveport, the first thing he said he said it was available. Yes, ready to go has been. You're talking. You're talking about somebody with enough money to build something from scratch, and he took what was available. Are we paying attention. As young black entrepreneurs, we're just paying attention.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Cam for asking that as a question. Knowing the right questions to ask, that's what I mean about astute businessmen talking to astute businessmen these guys might be, rappers.
Speaker 1:This was an astute business conversation between two highly intelligent, astute businessmen who just so happen to be great rappers. They just so happen to be great rappers. That was a business conversation. When cam is asking him that question, he is feeding that jewel to. He is feeding that. He's feeding the jewel to him for 50 to feed a jewel back. This is the. This is.
Speaker 1:This is a high level business conversation and dialogue that is being had in plain sight in front of your face. This is one of those moments where we, instead of talking like we can laugh and we can joke, but we do need to highlight the business acumen of these men. In times like this, it'd be like no, no, no, you want to learn something about business. You should actually go watch this 50 and Cam interview. You will learn something. I'm 43 years old.
Speaker 1:I took notes from this interview because I was like yep, I was like consistency is the key to success. I'm like, oh, you do need to run it like this. I'm like 2.3 million dollars for six days. I'm like what is this thing doing in vegas? Like how is he writing some of this stuff off? You know, I mean he in and out, because some of the shows fall this year and next year. So, tax wise, he is split it up. Let's talk about that business wise, what that means, because what he has done is like oh, is it 15 million dollars? Yeah, but it's essentially seven point five one year and seven point five another year. He is broken it up. Tax wise, he's a genius.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's see. That's the thing. Like you said, we should be talking about that, which we are, but other places will take the viral clip. This is what Cam and 50 think about the Drake and Kendrick beat. So what? You know what I'm saying. That's not the thing to pull from that interview.
Speaker 1:I don't really care what them niggas think about the Drake and Kendrick beat.
Speaker 3:Right, but that's what will get pulled from the interview. Will get pulled from the interview that nobody cares about the meat and potatoes of it.
Speaker 2:Right, but that's how we do it. You know, you guys heard of Duck Dynasty. Right, Y'all heard of Duck Dynasty that show. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I see a lot of that.
Speaker 2:Like that but.
Speaker 3:Duck Dynasty has.
Speaker 2:Of course I know West Virginia has it. Duck Dynasty has their headquarters adjacent to its 50 studios. It's really like 50 miles apart from one another and one of my guys who worked in the finance area he's like yo man. We got to talk to them because they're about to see selling duck call shirts and duck call all that stuff over there and they saw an increase of uplift as well. So what they say, the old saying, is all of the you know, when the tide rises, all the ship rises or whatever. That's what he did, just by coming into the market, having a concert and taking care of the people. Everybody thrived over there. So shout out to people Please get the money yeah but the interview was top tier.
Speaker 3:Like I said, former rivals having that conversation still sharpens still. And what's our quote we like from Ultron Sean? Keep your friends rich and your enemies rich, and then you can tell which is which. You know what I'm saying. It seems like 50 lives by that code, don't it?
Speaker 1:I mean, I even like, and real quick, and we can slide to the Doki Tiny desk. I like how he talked about very briefly and very sincerely. He's like well, I've been talking shit about this nigga Puff because we're in competition in the spirit business, but as far as all that other stuff goes, you know, did you hear what he said? Yep, yeah, people need to be yes that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:It's like he's like now that we done joking about, it's like listen to what the fan is actually saying.
Speaker 1:He's like, now that we done joking on Twitter, he's like yo, but for real, he's like, you know, nigga kind of put himself in position for that to happen. I don't play that type of shit. Yeah, way from me. And he ain't even trying to talk about it too heavy. He's like no, no, no, they're not about to round up and gang up on me next, but he did speak to the fact that he was like yo. He was like. I think him. Listen when he's saying oh no, they treated me differently when I owned the shit. When he said that, I was like and there it go. That was the jewel where he's letting you know. It's like no, it's different for us. I have to move different now with them, because now I own stuff and now, because I own stuff, I'm actually a threat to their bottom line. That's why he kept bringing up the $3 billion. He's like no, no, no. He's like guys like me and Puff and Jay. We're viable threats to their bottom line. They'll do anything to us, is what he is saying.
Speaker 3:Yep, to us is what he is saying. Another one off the board.
Speaker 1:So if you did anything, what he is saying is oh, no, no, no. He's like when Puff started affecting a $3 billion business, those people that are involved with that $3 billion business is like hey, because they've been watching this guy dancing in the videos this whole time. He started affecting that $3 billion business and that's when those people be like hold on. It's like what do you got going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we all blow the whistle on you.
Speaker 1:It's funny. I have some political lobbyist friends and I just happened to went to school with somebody that works at the FBI. My wife knows somebody that works at the CIA. You see how this shit start. That's how this shit start happening. Same thing with Bill Cosby. Didn't nobody give no fuck about Bill Cosby putting no pills in this shit, which he been doing since the 60s? That motherfucker tried to buy a network. When he tried to buy a network, yeah.
Speaker 3:But you can't be a nasty nigga out there doing that wild shit. You can't be a nasty nigga out there doing that wild shit. It's like you know you can't set yourself up for it. I'm not excusing the wild shit.
Speaker 1:Bill Cosby and Puffs need to understand. That's for Rick James, it's not for you.
Speaker 3:Yo rest in peace, rick.
Speaker 2:Yeah the legend.
Speaker 1:It's not for you. Rick will tell you. It's like a pimple bitch real quick. Rick will tell you. Not can tell you it's like a pimple bitch real quick. Rick will tell you not for you back in the 80s, but but, but, but. All just terrible. But all jokes aside, but all jokes aside, this is the plight of being super successful and being black and american. That's why I like how 50s talking and that's what people really need to pay attention to it's like you have to be very, very careful what you ask for and you have to, and you have to.
Speaker 1:Kind of stay in the clear.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he's giving a cautionary tale with it and you know he does that veiled in. That's why it's a great interview. He does it veiled in comedy. You know inspirational business talk and all of it. But like 50 men on the interview checks every box man. He does Great interview. 50 man on the interview checks every box man.
Speaker 1:He does Great interview. I want to tell people it's the holidays, Support black business. Trio Gold Shop, Go to triogoldshopcom. I got me a little Franco, a little Cuban for my man. We're supporting it here on Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 3:We'll put the link in the comment section of the video, because people were asking for that last time.
Speaker 1:I'm about to throw the link up in there. We're about to probably shoot a little ad in the video that we're going to post up soon. I just didn't have time this week, but I wanted to make sure we support black business, especially during holidays. I actually got like a 70% off sale going on online. I don't know because I already got my jewels. For all you New York Met fans, for all the New York Met fans in New York, you should go get you some jewelry on Triogoldshopcom, because you guys won't be wearing any jewelry anytime soon, any goddamn way. Even though you just spent almost a billion dollars on a nigga, that's not about to win you anything. So, since you're not going to win any rings definitely not winning any rings in the Braves division he's not even the best player in the division we have a best player in the Braves division.
Speaker 2:He's not even the best player in the division we have a best player.
Speaker 1:That's Ronald Acuna Jr. Ronald Acuna Jr has something that he doesn't have it's called an MVP award. But for all of you Queens get the money because you won't be getting no rings. You can get some gold from TrioshGoalshopcom, because you won't be getting any championship rings. Do we have any super chats?
Speaker 2:Yes, we do getting any championship rings.
Speaker 1:Do we have any super chats? Yes, yes, okay, absolutely, absolutely. I would like to get to these super checks, definitely not going back to that jawbreaker thing. Cj, the kid with the $5 super chat. You guys feel bad for jewels and banks, but J hood was the next young one out of the block with more info out. They never gave him a chance to drop. J hood's actually from North Carolina and J-Hood never really proved himself to be a songmaker enough, so I don't know how fair that is to the other guys, right? If I'm not mistaken, j-hood might be from Fayetteville, where Cole is from.
Speaker 1:He might be from the NOM, because I feel like he came from the military base. Yeah, he's from the NOM, if I'm not mistaken, originally. I don't know how you're in there for the NOM and Yonkers, I don't know how that works exactly. Cj the Kid with the $10 Super Chat Nah, it's not Mad Max. I'm just tired of being so political correct with all these opinions, so I'm just voicing how I feel after letting these opinions slide like I agree with them. Still all love, ah, look at of his own CJ the Kid. You two have been hanging around with Sean too damn much, sean you're a bad inch for us.
Speaker 2:CJ the Kid with the $5 Super Chat.
Speaker 1:Super Chat was a question, not a statement. You read that wrong. Whoa CJ.
Speaker 3:You have been hanging out with Mad Max there you go CJ.
Speaker 1:That's it for me. Guys, too much money for me tonight.
Speaker 3:Hey yo, we appreciate the money though Shout out to CJ. Money though shout out to cj man, yeah, we're gonna, yeah, you gotta, we gotta do something. Cj, yeah, cj, cj man, cj. Stay active in the discord, man shout out to cj.
Speaker 1:I do want all of our top super chatters to know we are currently coming up with a um program, an idea or something of sorts, to thank you for, you know, for the people that have really supported us this year. That is something that we have talked about behind the scenes and are working on. It's not all bah humbug over here at Hip Hop Talks, just with Sean, okay.
Speaker 2:Someone autographed a sticky note Autographed.
Speaker 1:Autographed sticky note is nasty work.
Speaker 3:Let's go to Doty Tiny. Doty Tiny desk fellas you know what, though nah, this is a moment you know what this nigga Sean did. You know what I'm saying. He was looked out when the sentence starts off.
Speaker 1:Do you know what this nigga?
Speaker 3:I just remember that, sean, because he said it, because he did look out. He sent me some of you know what I'm saying. He did look out, he sent me some of the you know what I'm saying 50th anniversary of the Hennessy Like. You know what I'm saying. Last year you know what I'm saying Because I was like yo, I need one of them. Bottles they were sold out everywhere Sent me a bottle, you know what I'm saying. And a woo hat you know what I'm saying, my dog, but it was a sticky note in the package. That said to my biggest fan, sean, I appreciate my fan and Coop. I got one for you too, I can't ship them.
Speaker 2:I got one for you too, Coop this is the 9th, 50th.
Speaker 3:He sent me that about a year ago, man with his autograph on a sticky note With your autograph. Yeah, it said that to your biggest fan.
Speaker 1:He called me his biggest fan Is that a Hennessy parody.
Speaker 2:This is the Nas Hennessy BSOP, signed, and everything I got more for you too. A signed one. Yeah, I just couldn't. I can't mail it. What did I?
Speaker 1:do I want to know what I did to be deserving of such an honor? Sean, absolutely nothing. Right, speaking of nothing, don't?
Speaker 3:want anything from you.
Speaker 1:You can keep your bottle with your crappy signature.
Speaker 2:I got something else for y'all. I got to send it, though A crappy bottle with your crappy signature.
Speaker 3:All right, and this is not an ad. You know what I'm saying? Youtube is not an ad, so don't demonetize it.
Speaker 2:It's not an ad, so don't monetize off of that Limited edition.
Speaker 3:That just triggered a story like where you said autograph, a sticky note. I was like this dude had the gall to send me an autograph, sticky note.
Speaker 1:Is the Hennessy bottle worth some money online, like with or without your signature? I know the signature might inflate the price.
Speaker 3:Hey Sean, don't send him nothing. Coop gonna hock it. He gonna hock them chains, he gonna hock the bottle. He gonna give it everything Like nah don't say Coop.
Speaker 1:nah, I came from I almost sold one of these chains today and he didn't lie Yo Coop's selling the chains. I don't even wear jewels like that anymore.
Speaker 4:He's like yo Coop. How much for the chain I was like yo.
Speaker 1:I was like yo I'm gonna pay the money I'm gonna give you two racks. He's like I'm not giving you two racks right now. I'm like don't ask for the fucking chain then.
Speaker 2:You just did the ad. Yo, man, it's AG's fault.
Speaker 1:Everything is for sale. Ask these hoes in Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Yo Coop's selling chains to get hoes in Atlanta.
Speaker 3:It's crazy Coop opened up his jacket, he got 22 more.
Speaker 2:He's like I have to watch this. I'm coming to America.
Speaker 1:He's like got the new blow dryer.
Speaker 3:Check it out Yo we got to go to the next topic.
Speaker 1:We got to get out of here. Dolce Tiny Desk guys, what did you think about the Dolce Tiny Desk?
Speaker 2:Yo, y'all handle that. I'm about to go into chat.
Speaker 3:One thing I'll say about Dolce man she's a bonafide star, she is a star.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3:She is a star. I enjoyed the Tiny Desk. If you haven't tapped into it, tap into it Because I mean she put out a really dope album this year but I didn't really know she had that much star power until I seen this Tiny Desk performance. She has a lot.
Speaker 1:I didn't either, ag. This was one of those things I realized. First of all, I can hear the Nicki and the Kendrick influence yes, hear the Nikki and the Kendrick influence yes. And if you're going to pick, pick from the best and stylistically didn't feel like she missed a beat, and those are two people. Stylistically, in terms of being able to emulate and copy and pattern yourself after that alone is hard to do and I'm with you, ag, she's a star. This is one of those things that made me more excited about what she has next than what I just heard, and what I just heard I thought was one of the best five rap albums I've heard this year, maybe definitely top 10 oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:And before we went on live they were doing the uh tde um christmas, like you know, fundraiser benefit concert in Watts and I'm gonna go back and check out a streamer because I did want to see her set, you know, because I was already a fan from this new album, but you know, the Tiny Desk really solidified it for me, like you know what I mean, because being a great artist in and of itself is one thing, but being able to translate that in a performance takes you to the next level. She got all the things that make a great artist and I think she's going to definitely go places.
Speaker 1:I agree, man, I was super impressed, was super entertained. She's super talented. She's going places. She is so versatile like a kendrick that it makes me excited about what she is going to do next. Like a kendrick I'll never forget. Like the kendrick moment for me, where I became a fan. I woke up one morning and I was getting out the shower and my ex-wife my daughter's mother literally is coming and grabbing me out the shower in the morning. I like it quiet in the morning.
Speaker 1:Ag, I don't like to talk, I don't like to do anything. She's yelling my name. She's like Armand. She's like you got to get out of here. She's like you got to hear this, I'm get out of here. She's like you got to hear this. I'm running off. I'm like what the fuck is this? She's like it's this new Kendrick and I'm like I'm listening to it and it's she Needs Me by Kendrick Lamar on MTV Jammed. And I remember saying to myself this guy can do anything and I'm excited about whatever it is that he's about to do next. I got that feeling again when I watched this tiny dex.
Speaker 1:It was the same feeling when my ex-wife pulled me out the shower to see the she needs me video for the first time, because I hadn't heard the record and it was like one of those things I was like, oh man, I was like, man, this guy can do everything, because that was like she needs me is the theme of love songs that he has used ever since, like the song love. I can go to the song love on bam and I can hear the she Needs Me in it. That's that do everything. That I'm talking about, where it's like oh no. People are looking at the song Love and Royalty with Rihanna like oh no, no, no, he been known how to do that.
Speaker 3:Right right. Here's the crazy part it's coming from out of the same camp. That's the wild part.
Speaker 1:Well, that's, that's the well, that's well. That's why I'm um using the kendrick analysis in comparison as well. It's not only appropriate, but it's also within the camp, so I can see where some of the inspiration is.
Speaker 3:I just thought about this real quick. Do you think that you know we talked about dreamville earlier and then you know we're talking about tde now and you look at, like them with sys and stuff, is that the last two great places that had artists' development?
Speaker 1:Actual A&R work that I know of. Yes, and also, too, you can see what Top saw in Dolce. He saw Kendrick. Yes, he's like, oh no, this is like seeing Dot again. She's not going to be Dot that's the highest level, but I see what he sees. And's not going to be Dot that's the highest level, but I see what he sees and she's going to be a star in this game and a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 3:She's very exciting to watch If you're thinking that works.
Speaker 1:I'm excited about what she was going to do next because she has the agility, much like Kendrick, to take it really where she chooses to take it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:If y'all haven't seen it, tap into that.
Speaker 1:Let's see if she has a bad girl. Mad city for Florida, like tucked in somewhere. You know what I'm saying, right, right, yeah, that's what it's about. Is Sean going back, or are we actually going to have a strong finish to our show, since he's not going to?
Speaker 3:Before we get into the oh, there you go.
Speaker 2:I'm putting links out there. That's all. Y'all handle y'all business. I'll be back.
Speaker 3:Before we shift into the main topic. You know what I'm saying. The main subject topic, since we was talking about Kendrick. While we wait on Sean, we can slide to the. You brought up Kendrick. I want to know. You know where the NFL stands on everything? And are they Switzerland in the whole beef? Because it looked like they were siding with Kendrick with announcing him to perform the Super Bowl, but we found out, you know, a couple days ago that they're also in partnership with OVO. They're doing a line of jackets that release tomorrow, I believe in partnership with OVO. So are they Switzerland? Are they neutral in the beef?
Speaker 1:On a personal note, I would like the record to show that you're partnering with the NFL. And I haven't got my fucking jacket.
Speaker 3:Oh, are you still asking for the butter soft leather?
Speaker 1:White leather Speaking of Rick James. Rick James, cocaine leather, you're partnering with the NFL. Look here. Look here partnering with the NFL, look here. What you're not about to do is let this fool ride on me on the Super Bowl stage and then me pumping my jackets out. At the same time, they get money from both sides. The NFL knows it has the power. They are the Corleone family. Right now they are pretty much saying look here, we can shoot you in the eye while you're at the barbershop, while we're at the christening you can get. With this program, kendrick, you're going to perform Drake, we're selling your jacket. Everybody wins. But I would say no. If I was both of them, I'd make them choose.
Speaker 3:But you would. You want to know what be the ultimate petty move and would be fire at the same time, as if kendrick performed in one of those jackets. That would be insane that'd be crazy you're welcome to use that idea, kendrick, you know what I'm just saying, please don't definitely need to edit that out.
Speaker 1:Andrew, take that part of the show out. I got a devious mind so I've been telling y'all. So definitely need to edit that out. Andrew, take that part of the show out Expeditiously. I don't want to give this nigga any ideas.
Speaker 3:I got a devious mind, so I've been telling y'all right this whole time. I've been petty for this long.
Speaker 1:I don't see any reason to stop now. I've been petty for this long. I might as well keep this train rolling. We're going to keep this train rolling, and we're going to keep this train rolling with our last segment official segment, but not really a fun segment and that is some of the allegations that we knew were going to be wavered down against the man that bears your likeness, Sean, and that is one Sean Carter, Jay-Z. How did you do that? Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, Just a little friendly reminder for him. It's your namesake.
Speaker 2:That is crazy, that is nasty.
Speaker 1:I mean Sean, you share the same name and petty nature, so why don't you explain to me some of what you think is going?
Speaker 2:on. It's nasty. I don't have a lot of opinion on it. You know, we got to see what happens. We got to see how this thing play out. Anytime you see allegations like this, they are serious. I don't. I don't. I don't lean into the side where people are hoping that these allegations are true, because I don't wish that on anybody. I pray that they're not true. If they are, then I hope justice finds him, but at the same time, I'm not a judge, I'm not a juror that executed. I'm not a lawyer, attorney, any of that.
Speaker 2:It's unfortunate that this happened. We've heard stories in the past. We've heard mumblers in the past. Stories in the past before a moment is in the past. Unfortunate situations like this, when they start getting legs to start getting legs real quick, because then you start other stuff come out of there. You have people talking, you have people creating more allegations, you have other things started coming out and, um, we just look, guys, we can say what we want to say about puffy um, but the bad boy era was very important to hip hop and he was at the front of that, and now he's where he's at Right.
Speaker 2:We've lost too many of our Our heroes, if you will in situations like this, whether it's good, bad or indifferent or whatever the case may be, or indifferent or whatever the case may be, and there's nothing to take lightly and there's nothing to be even jumping up in joy for, because it dings our culture of hip hop, and we all hear people in the chat. We're all part of the culture of hip hop. Whether we're on the spotlights or we're in the game, we're still part of hip hop and anything like this. It hurts us as a hip hop community. It hurts us as a culture, because other things have happened to others, but less of you, and they're still running free. Some of them are even still making money and still doing things that they've been doing before, and everyone goes after them.
Speaker 2:Anytime one of our names are put into the news, it gets overstated, it gets bloviated and then the chat rooms start going crazy and everything starts happening. And Jay is no different from that. Jay is no different from that. So I pray that these allegations aren't true. I pray that things work out the way it's supposed to work out and justice will prevail. So that's all I really have on it.
Speaker 3:AG what you got to say about the matter um, I couldn't have said it better than what sean did. Sean, you know, that was, that was said. You know, damn near flawlessly. Um, I'm gonna tread lightly, like you said. You know, like sean said, we don't know, we have to see how this all plays out. But, um, you know, and twitter and all that stuff is gonna have the jokes.
Speaker 3:But one thing I don't like to see, and sean alluded to. But you know, and Twitter and all that stuff is going to have the jokes. But one thing I don't like to see and Sean alluded to this is you know, if you don't like Jay-Z as a rapper, as a person or what have you to, you know, pray on his downfall. That the allegations are true. I think is nasty work. Like Sean said, if the allegations are true, then you know what I'm saying. Justice needs to be handled. But if you just don't like his music or your favorite rapper is, you know, had a problem with Jay or whatever, to hope that this is true is meaning that you hope that somebody was victimized and I just think that's nasty work. That's very tone deaf. And you know, the um alleged victim in question is um, a third, you know, at the time was supposedly a 13 year old girl, and I have a 13 year old daughter and you know, just to hope that something like that would be true so you could say, oh, I told you about that guy. You know what I'm saying. It's crazy because I don't even like to imagine stuff like that when it comes to you know what could happen to my seed, because you know I ain't even going to say on camera what I would do. Let's just put it like that. But yeah, I just think it's real nasty.
Speaker 3:And Sean alluded to the fact also that you know, as a culture, you know we lose, and I don't want to necessarily call them heroes, because you know sometimes we put people on too high a pedestal, right, and then, you know, just to see them fall down, you know, on their own sword, or be knocked off. But I think that you know we keep knocking pieces off the board for our culture. So if you're hoping that something like that is true, just to say, well, I don't like that person. The footprint that that person had in the culture was a major footprint and we're losing more of those by the day. So that's not something I hope for. You know what I mean, because we can't hold our culture up high and look to it and says, yo, this is somebody who really made an impact and was strong in our culture, if it has that negative stain on that.
Speaker 3:So for the people out there that's hoping this is true on the merit, that yo, I just don't like his raps or I don't like whatever. I don't think that's the right way to go about it. But if it is, you know I'm saying may justice be served and you know things handled accordingly. But you know, just be careful what you wish for. Be careful what you are blindly defending as well. Be careful what you are blindly defending as well.
Speaker 3:You know those people out there who don't know they or know the victim or anything, and kind of blindly defend one side because they have their allegiances. I just caution you against that because it might be a bad look because whichever the side of the fence this lands on, you know everything's. You know on social media you can't get rid of it, and on tape and people can bring it back and throw it in your face and then if it was proved that that person did some nasty stuff, then you was left defending them. So you know, just be just be careful out there, yo. That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1:I will say this, and I'm not joking when I say this I do feel like the biggest advantage that has been handed to him in this situation is the fact that they did it to Puff first. So I feel like Jay is a very astute and keen man and always has been A very observant man and always has been, and I feel like as soon as all this stuff started happening to Puff, he went and lawyered all the way up and discussed all the possible play out scenarios and discuss all the possible play-out scenarios. He is probably being interrogated by a professional lawyer team the likes that guys like you and I will never see all ready to prepare him for this. These types of allegations are the type of allegations that trouble me about Black culture, because you know, quite frankly, the way oppression works is is that what's been inflicted upon us is often what we perpetrate onto others, and our oppressors are aware of that. And so the raping of a 13 year old girl, you know, has a lot of um of undertones to me that are racially driven. To drive a point home when a man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, like they're not just making it seem like a crime, it becomes offensive and obscene and malicious and awful and degrading when it becomes a 13-year-old. You get what I'm saying. A 13-year-old and a 17-year-old is different in the psyche of people, and so there is something about this that makes me uncomfortable in terms of how quickly these allegations are being levied. The fact that a 13-year old girl is being attached to it Now, when Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis want to fucking fuck the shit out of and marry a 13 year old girl, is not a problem for these white people, but that is another conversation for another day. We can stick to the allegations at hand. I just think that it's going to be very, very hard to prove these charges.
Speaker 1:Jay is and listen to what I'm about to say. For me, this isn't even about innocent or guilty. You have people that are definitely trying to make him look guilty, whether he is innocent or not. This is about how smart Jay has always been, and I don't think Jay has ever been the type of a guy because of the life that he lived before he did legally rap, where you're really just going to have any smoking gun or any really evidence to prove this stuff. He doesn't strike me as that guy. He doesn't strike me as loose like Puff does, quite frankly, and I don't mean that in a promiscuous way, I mean that in the hustler's way, jay strikes me as a hustler's hustler, where Jay won't smoke weed about the paranoia, about the shit that he's done in the streets.
Speaker 1:You think they got some footage or some sort of recording. No, it's just like that doesn't fit with the whole archetype and the motif that got him here. Anyway, he already had to avoid a lot of this stuff on a lower level to get here, and so I just don't think that for these allegations, I don't think that there's going to be enough proof to prove anything because of who jay is. So, let's say, even if he did do this, I don't think the proof would be anywhere about the hustler that he is, about the life that he really led and the way that he lived and how he thought before all of this happened anyway. Because when you try to take everybody, when you try to take everybody and everything from somebody, well, they're going to revert back to who they originally were and who they originally were, type of motherfucker who never talked to you, tell you shit, do shit. You get what I'm saying. Where the footage? At when?
Speaker 1:the eyewitness at and the lawyers oh, the lawyers, potentially can have a field day with this unless they can provide some corroborative evidence that is substantial, as in do you have him in the same place, in the same space and by same place and space? Do you have him in the same domicile of this woman? How long there is a such thing in a case as a reasonable time continuum? Do you have him in the same room For what length of time? Who was there? Who were the eyewitnesses? Why is it taking somebody to come and test him? You get what I'm saying. So all these things, a highly aggressive and by aggressive I mean very well paid legal team oh no, done ripped that shit up. And so I expect a lot of this shit to get ripped up, just based on the premise of what I know about how it got brought to the table and who Jay is and the fact that he's had time to prepare well, even with that said Coop, which you make good points, but like, for me it ain't about if it can be proven or not.
Speaker 3:I just pray that for both parties sake that it ain't about if it can be proven or not. I just pray that, for both parties' sake, that it didn't happen. That's what I want to stand on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we don't need any blows like that man. Again, you had Bill Puffy, everything, kelly Kel, all of those he had to go. Yeah, it's necessary.
Speaker 4:It's necessary, everything, all right, kelly Kells all of those things he had to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again it's necessary. It's necessary. And you said AG, you know I got a 13-year-old now. She just turned 13 yesterday.
Speaker 3:Happy birthday KO.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you, happy birthday. I'm still emotional because I got a teenager and I'm like yo, this is crazy, this is crazy. I got a teenager, this is crazy. And, like you both said, you know, cool, you always got a car now. So you got a teenager, teenager, right.
Speaker 1:So she just, she just walked in the door. Yeah, she just walked in the door, like like from the car, and I'm just thinking to myself it's like damn, I've been terrified this whole time You've been gone.
Speaker 2:All right, and it gets you here. It gets you here. So again, you know, I just, you know, prayed that this is not true. If it is, I hope justice finds him and I hope justice can be revealed. You know the right way and not the goofy way, of course. So it's a lot, it's heavy, it's a heavy thing.
Speaker 2:It's a heavy thing. You know jokes, jokes and jokes. But to to rejoice over something like this is crazy, because you know rejoicing over when one of us take a hit we all take a hit. It really hurts in different spaces, Believe it or not.
Speaker 1:Say that again, Hold on, say that again, sean. Hold on Say that, say that again. I think we need to hear that again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If one takes a hit.
Speaker 2:We all take a hit.
Speaker 1:And so people need to understand that this is a hit being put out to take us down. Yeah, it does, because here's the reality of the matter. If this happened, all they would have been got to them already, exactly.
Speaker 3:Not necessarily, not, necessarily, not. Necessarily.
Speaker 2:They're building that thing up. They want it to stick.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And they want everything around it. They want everything around it. We've seen it too many times and, like you said, you got others who've done things that were egregious, and it was on Front Street, it was right there in front of our faces and nothing was said. Nothing was said and we're going to go into 2025. And you know, guess who got selected to be man of the year? Says a lot. I'm going to leave it at that. So, yeah, take for what it's worth. Says a lot. I'm going to leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, take for what it's worth Well on that note, guys.
Speaker 2:Mad Max man, Yo Mad Max got to be from Astoria, south side of Jamaica, Astoria.
Speaker 3:From the bridge to Astoria. Yo, real quick before we go to the next joint. Roger Goodell did release a statement saying that the NFL, you know, still was going to their stance on their back in J in this matter, versus moving on from them because of allegations. We've seen it happen before you look at how Disney did Johnny Depp, before anything was proved, just because of allegations, and then he ended up winning, but Disney cut him off and stuff. It's different situations where a lot of companies jumped the gun and then somebody wasn't guilty. So the NFL, with their partnership, is, you know, saying that hey, you know, these are just allegations. For now we're going to keep our partnership what it is.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, they're in bed too deep with him to do anything else. That's a fact. Yeah, yeah, they're in too deep to pull out. Pause, whoa.
Speaker 3:Missionary album at midnight yo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, midnight tapping Pause, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:You just gonna continue. That was crazy.
Speaker 3:Yo have y'all seen that vinyl though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was nasty.
Speaker 1:Literally Is it literally nasty.
Speaker 2:It's nasty cool, they even got a hole in a condom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the vinyl.
Speaker 1:That's nasty work. We don't play those games.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the vinyl's a condom, though, like on the whole record condom dog On the record.
Speaker 1:I'd like to thank condoms. That's why I have one and not like seven.
Speaker 2:The things that go to the agent here right now that he's not articulating.
Speaker 1:Don't even worry about all that. Ag Don't even worry about all that. That's it.
Speaker 3:You always do this, man.
Speaker 1:Great time now. Literally, we'll have a ball down here okay.
Speaker 3:Literally, we'll have a ball down here. Discord Dialogues.
Speaker 1:Discord Dialogues. This is Discord Dialogues. We are covering the legendary Queensbridge MC CoreMegaAG. Take it away my guy.
Speaker 3:Yo shout out to Sean Queens get the money. No, no no.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Sean Queens get the money. No, no, no. Shout out to Cormega.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shout out to Cormega, Yo, cormega man. I don't know if other than Tony Ayo, I don't know if anybody really came into the game where everybody knew who they was before they even dropped anything. You know what I mean. When Nas shouted Mega out on One Love, when he got out of jail and started putting out stuff in the mixtape circuit and joined the firm and all that, I mean he was already a household name just off the strength of one shout out. The only other person I can think of like that is Yayo. But Mega, he showed and proved he was a? Um, integral member of the, the early firm unit, the og firm.
Speaker 3:I really wish we could have gotten a version of of the firm you know, with core meg, no, no, disrespected nature, but mega, mega was a better fit, although nature was a better lyricist. Um, I wish we could have got an album version of that. But um, even with that said, uh, cormac on his own, you know, dope artists got some dope projects. Uh, the Testament, the realness and more recently the realness part two, which came out a few years ago, was, you know, return to form and um, and I'm glad you know him, and uh, you know, queensbridge brethren and nas reconciled and um, yeah, you know, mega's just one of them, ones man like and um. He won our discord dialogues and we wanted to represent for him this day and I hope he has more to come. You know, as far as, like you know, putting out new music, there's been some words that he was working on a project solely produced by Havoc. I hope that still comes out because we heard that Havoc was doing a joint with Method man.
Speaker 1:We've been hearing that for about a year now, though, so I'm not sure how that is coming to fruition yeah, I hope it does, though, man, because I'll check for it.
Speaker 3:Man, because, because mega's dope you know mega has a dope rap voice um, you know affirmative action. I go back and forth, like you know mega's verse. You know, some days I feel like he had the best verse, for as far as the energy he brought to the track. You know, not lyrically on the strength of the other ones, but what he brought to the track was needed. You know what I'm saying. It was just. That's why I still feel like we got cheated. We used, uh, la familia for um today's discord dialogues. Just that version of the firm that had mega in tow was was great. You know I'm saying affirmative action remix and all them other joints. Man, I just really, really wish we would have got that.
Speaker 1:I feel like the core mega firm joints had a feel to them and a consistency to them that gave us an expectation for what the album was supposed to sound like La Familia, affirmative action, what? What's the other one? The, uh, the, the mixtape joint?
Speaker 3:so it was uh. Was he on sosa versus state?
Speaker 2:yep, yeah, that was the least they joined so so.
Speaker 1:So when you're hearing those records and then even when you hear firm fiasco, the way the firm album starts off, well, it kind of fits in, and then it's like the album goes somewhere else. After phone time you're like where the fuck?
Speaker 3:is Cormega, it goes left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I feel like if Cormega would have been there, he would have been the dude. It's like no, no, no, we got to keep this locked in to like on some firm. You know what I'm saying. I feel like he would have been that guy he would have been, he would have been a Ray guy, he would have been a glue guy.
Speaker 3:Bingo Glue guy Coop, because people discount that you can remove a role player from a situation and it still changes the makeup of the team.
Speaker 1:Look here what's his name Trevor Ariza.
Speaker 3:When he played with the Lakers.
Speaker 1:Oh no, he a game changer with them. And he was major for the Rockets.
Speaker 1:And the Rockets. That's what I'm saying major for the Rockets and the Rockets, that's what I'm saying. Like no, mega's one of those guys. He's an Ariza. It's like, oh no, he's not your star player, he's like your third best player. But if you want to win a championship, yeah, you need a guy like that. You need you a Shane Battier, you need you a Trevor Ariza. That's who. 4mega was A Mike Miller. Like, yeah, like these guys Remember what's his name Posey, james Posey you need you that guy. A glue guy, a hitter, a rider, a dude from the neighborhood Made it out but still, like, got that neighborhood mentality, no-transcript. Like we gotta stop. Like you, niggas, gotta stop kicking in LA, stop smoking this chronic cap, nigga, I just came home. I didn't come home for this shit and that could have been some of the riffers that he might have been saying, that stuff.
Speaker 3:That could have been riff.
Speaker 1:People make the riff about a lot of things, but riff usually happens more about it's a lot. Riff usually happens more about egos and a tipping point thing. He could have just said something the wrong way on the wrong day and that created that tipping point, that created that riff. But it could have been something super like oh y'all niggas is getting a little bit too, because you've got to think in mind when Cormega is coming home. Think about this.
Speaker 3:Fox, foxy, nas and AR got gold, platinum. Plex ain't even around. Yeah, well, out of Mega's mouth. Out of Mega's mouth himself. When he was on Drink Champs, what he said, the vibe was With Steve. You know, we don't want to go too deep Down. This rabbit hole was Basically you're just here because You're Nas' man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like I don't really think you belong here or fit here, but you know what I'm saying I do not think track masters and dr dre's team is a good fit production wise. So if he's talking from that perspective, yes, but nas is the headliner and so you know, when you're david ruffin, these are the temptations, you know yeah, well, people forget that nature.
Speaker 3:You know, steve managed the trackmasters and that's why they were heavy on the album instead of just dre and um trackmasters signed nature. So it was more of a business um like um transactional deal nature replacing mega, because mega wouldn't sign you contract.
Speaker 1:Those were all mistakes, and Nas had something to do with that too. Mad Max with the 999. That's why beef happened, the start of the blueprint. To this, his whole response Jay-Z this, jay-z that, jay-z, this, jay-z this. It's Jay-Z news. Get off, jay-z, okay, mad Max.
Speaker 2:Mad Max, that's true, you are a wild boy, this is for somebody who used to be a wild boy for a long time.
Speaker 1:You're a wild boy, Mad Max. Andrew Williams, how y'all feel about Remy. How y'all feel about Remy and Pap. I feel like I hate it. I hate it, man. How'd that Chris Brown song go these hoes ain't loyal. All go these hoes ain't loyal, All right.
Speaker 3:Next, we were trying to avoid this one man.
Speaker 1:I hate stuff like this. Since somebody asked in the super chat. I'll force. These hoes ain't loyal, yo Yo. These hoes ain't loyal when I broke a nigga, I won't show.
Speaker 4:All right, I'm it. When I broke a nigga, I won't show All right, I'm done.
Speaker 1:It's all in fun till. It's not All right All right fellas.
Speaker 3:Hold on. Sean didn't get the wax poetic about Cormac, no, that was intentional.
Speaker 1:We don't want to hear too much. It's all Queen's entendre about Cormac. It's Queen's get the money, man. It's Queen's get the money. I in here too, this long queens entendre about like oh my god, we'll be here all night.
Speaker 2:It's queens, get the money. Um, I've always felt that mega was the necessary piece to the firm, and that's why I think that's a big. I think that's a big reason why the firm flopped in in. You know, of course, the way people felt, because that energy wasn't there. Like you guys mentioned, the songs that we heard with mega on it just felt like it was full circle. No pun intended. All the songs that he was on, he brought that extra oomph, because you have Nas, who is a lyrical giant, you have AZ, who is a lyrical giant, you have Fox, who had the voice, who had the delivery, the cadence. You had three very strong. You had some heavy hitters. Nature was a lyricist. Don't get it twisted Nature was a pure lyricist. You didn't need that from nature, though, because he wasn't as established as those other, you know, as the big three, if you will. You know, I mean.
Speaker 2:Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman right there Right. That's the. That's the DC trilogy, if you will will you need someone like mega just to bring it down some right, because you're talking about an override of personality, an override of lyrical dexterity and an override of just lyrical density. You needed someone like mega just to punch you in the face. You need, because he's not going to give. He's very unorthodox american has always been unorthodox.
Speaker 2:He's not gonna, he's not gonna wow you in the face. He's very unorthodox. America has always been unorthodox. He's not going to wow you with the double entendres, wow you with the story or the wordplay. He's going to just give you real talk. He's just going to say I'm at the bus stop eating chicken, wings and french fries. He's just saying regular street stuff. He's grounded, he's the ground piece that wings and french fries and he just saying like just regular street stuff, keeps it grounded. He's a. He's the ground piece that needed that. They needed the connective tissue to the streets. He was a connective tissue because az doesn't talk a lot of street talk. He talked luxurious rap. He talked about luxury rap. Niles at that time was on a whole different planet. He was he was balling, he was balling.
Speaker 2:He was balling and people didn't like that. Some of the purists, if you want to call them that, didn't like that. They was mad because he made the line I'll be flooded in ice or hellfire, you can't scorch me. They didn't like that. They didn't like that version of Nas because they wanted that same guy to still talk about the pissy elevators and stuff. They didn't want that right.
Speaker 2:It felt like he was over-talking us at this point, because now you're talking about ICE, you're talking about living the life. You got money. Now, mega wasn't that guy. Mega was like I got my Timbs on, I'm grimy. I'm grimy, you know what I mean? It's dark outside. He was that. He was that guy. Every mob family needs a hitman, need a hitman. He was the blunt force.
Speaker 1:Need a Luca Brasi. You can't be Vito, everybody can't be Vito.
Speaker 3:Right, that explains it. People ask on the Dream Team why is Drew Holiday on there? You need a Drew Holiday. Everybody can't be Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1:I need somebody who doesn't need the ball. He's going to play some defense. Pat Bell, get some rebounds on the fifth Pat.
Speaker 2:Beverly man Pat.
Speaker 3:Beverly's wild.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take somebody at the team For real.
Speaker 1:It's like no, you got Durant and Steph and LeBron on a team. It's like nigga, that's 40 shots, ryan, 40 shots.
Speaker 2:That's a great point.
Speaker 1:You're playing 10-minute quarters, it's like you, only got another 40 shots to go around between the other nine people.
Speaker 2:There's no more shots, selections at all.
Speaker 1:You got 40 shots for the other nine people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cormega was vital man.
Speaker 1:Vital. It'd be those guys that get you 15 points and seven rebounds that get you the ring sometimes. Man that out to Mega. It'd be those guys that get you 15 points and seven rebounds that get you the ring sometimes, man.
Speaker 2:That's a fact. Yeah, that's a fact. Shout out to Mega man, Shout out to Mega.
Speaker 1:I know you had a little off-topic thing that you wanted to do. I don't know if we're going to have time today. We are running over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're running way over right now.
Speaker 3:We're running hot, oh yeah this is real quick to go into our press play because it um tees off that, but real quick.
Speaker 3:Joe button did a little segment on uh his podcast about what was the better duo, um, unofficial duo, I guess you could say az and naz, or, you know, we was talking, just talking about the firm and or, uh, jada, kiss and Styles, and they had some weird rules when it came along to it.
Speaker 3:You know, when they was going through the song catalog they said you know, you can, you can't use Locke's stuff, um, but you can use like band from TV because they're doing their back and forth on there, but that's not even a Locke's record because they're doing their back and forth on there, but that's not even a LOX record, that's got like five people on there. And then they put the stipulation on there where you can't use any firm records for Nas and AZ, just the songs that they have together. So I just figured that was an interesting little exercise in comparison. So me and Sean for our press play segment we did like a little mock versus versus with the two uh duos trying to, for the most part, heed to the rules that they put in place when they was talking about it on their podcast.
Speaker 1:So okay, so um these rules suck, go ahead, keep going. Yeah, yeah, they gotta do well, you know it was.
Speaker 3:It was challenging to stay within bounds, but we did that For the record. I didn't pick Bam for TV, because that's just not fair.
Speaker 2:We're just going to do it real quick for the sake of time. We're just showing it out. You tell us what you think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, no, I'd love to see it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, y'all can vote in the chat and we can put it on social too. Y'all can vote which songs we got.
Speaker 2:So cool we got. We Can Make it versus Life's a Bitch Life's a Bitch.
Speaker 3:One more step.
Speaker 2:All-time great songs. Though All-time great songs. One more step versus how you Livin'.
Speaker 1:That's how you Livin', yep.
Speaker 2:Synergy versus the Essence.
Speaker 1:It's the Ess, the essence. I kind of figured this was going to happen, though, so I have some commentary that I want to make when this is done, but I kind of figured you can't tell joe and his crew that um, in and out versus the flyers, the flyers, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Money versus more money, more murder this is the closest round to me, though.
Speaker 1:It's the closest one, but it's still more money, more murder In a mahogany.
Speaker 2:Like scenery that was lightning and raindrops.
Speaker 1:I'm tied up in the basement cocaine spot Like bang Sounds different.
Speaker 3:Dope Money is my favorite joint. Where Styles and Kiz do that, though. Off the Rough Riders compilation, that is my favorite joint.
Speaker 1:Where they do the back and forth Off the Rough Riders compilation. That is my favorite joint. You ain't got no style in you. I'm into better G's, amaretto's, butter Levers, armani Sweaters plus these crazy crabs yeah.
Speaker 2:Shootouts versus phone tap. Oh, I love shootouts.
Speaker 1:I love shootouts the beat's hard, but it's not phone tap. It's not phone tap. Phone tap to me is their best performance, next to Ice the Bitch.
Speaker 3:And just a quick note. They said no firm records, but we needed the amount of Nas and AZ records to add up, and then plus Nature only has what like three, four bars on that record, you know so.
Speaker 1:Ain't nobody stressing that Phone tap?
Speaker 3:is a Nas and AZ, you know, so phones happen, we all know that in the last one shots fired serious 50 this
Speaker 1:serious is serious yeah but they went crazy on shots fired up against 50, though but so I'm about to say something that's about to piss New York off the Jada and Styles. So I'm about to say something and it's about to piss New York off the Jada and Styles combo was overrated about the song output, and you just saw why.
Speaker 2:And that was all they did.
Speaker 3:It was damn near a clean sweep, wasn't it Lyrically it was Lyrically.
Speaker 1:people are talking about what they hear when they rap together, but the songs aren't Like when Styles and Kiss get together. I don't be excited like everybody else. That's why I tell everybody it's like no. Ray and Ghost, meth and Red, nas and AZ. Like all of those combos are better than Styles and Kiss to me, because we don't have the records that reflect from the just them two. Now there are a bunch of Lox records with Sheik on them that you could have thrown in the mix. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Right, but adhering to the rules. And, to be fair, joe did say himself like we talking songs, they not Nas and AZ, but everybody else jumped out the window quick. You know Ice-ish, even Part, but even parts was like oh, it's kissing styles and they were like it's not kissing styles and it's actually not even conversational.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying because, first of all, people overrate. People overrate a few things about the styles and kiss parent. First of all they overrate the songs outside of we gonna make it and then they overrate the volume of songs because it's not a lot of songs with Styles and Kiss doing that back and forth if they're so famously known for oh no, cheeks on a whole lot of those records, cheeks on all of those records, both of those records are Locks records. Those aren't Styles and. Kiss records.
Speaker 2:They're simple niggas. They're just Locks records, right, and we proved that because that's how many songs they actually have. They actually have like seven.
Speaker 1:Together with them. That's what I mean. Nas and AZ actually have more work than Styles and Kiss and Nas and AZ don't have a lot of work and they have the better songs.
Speaker 3:But yeah, and I like that point, coop, because people get lost on no pun with the song, lost on the synergy of Kiss and Styles. It's like having an album that's really cohesive, that's, you know, pretty much a five mic album, but it's really cohesive. But then you got another album that's like five mics but got banger after banger after banger. You know what I'm saying. It's got higher highs.
Speaker 1:So it's like you know the songs are better think about this uh huh with Jadakiss and DMX is better than all of these records except for two to me.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I like Dope Money better.
Speaker 1:I said except for two Dope Money, and we Gon' Make it.
Speaker 3:Oh, we Gon' Make it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we Gon' Make it and Dope Money.
Speaker 3:Shootouts, though Shootouts, shootouts. I might put Shootouts over it.
Speaker 1:I give that a tie with Uh-huh.
Speaker 3:I give it a tie. Uh-huh probably smoke. What Jeezy collab, Never mind.
Speaker 1:Don't do that. How about this? Black Illuminati with Gibbs and Kiss is better than a lot of these records.
Speaker 3:It's like I can't go that far.
Speaker 1:I love.
Speaker 3:Black Illuminati. It is dope, but I can't do that. But you made your point, Coop, we ain't gotta get crazy with it.
Speaker 2:To both of you guys' point I just don't like the fact that Joe and those guys they do this often they would try to reduce Nas in some category by pairing him up with something like that. I would be more comfortable with them saying J and Beans versus Nas and AZ, that's a better conversation personally for me, because now you're talking about J and Beans. When they got together, it was special.
Speaker 3:I see what you're doing, Sean, and I like it, but for me and I love Beans, but I think Jay and Sauce is a better conversation- Jay and Sauce is not enough, they just don't have enough.
Speaker 1:Jay and. Beans are going to win more than Kiss and Styles, but they're still going to lose.
Speaker 2:They're still going to lose, but that's a better comparison. That's a weight class.
Speaker 3:It's a one-to-one comparison, yeah.
Speaker 1:Sean, when you talk about how they try to downgrade Nas, I actually like when they do that, because that gives you the opportunity to play the music, which is usually when they have to shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, I actually like when they do that. It's have to shut the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, like, I actually like when they do that.
Speaker 3:it's like oh, you feel that way, go put the records on, let's, let's see how it sounds live right like yeah, because they were trying to say outside of lights a bitch is really not a competition. And then joe started naming off. Like you know, the fly is how you live.
Speaker 1:But just like when they was talking that shit when magic came out, it's like, oh, it ain't all that. And then they started playing it live and they was like, oh damn, it's like, well, hold. It's like, oh, it ain't all that. And then they started playing it live and they was like, oh, well, damn, it's like well, hold on. It's like yeah, did you even listen to this album, dude? It's like yeah. So I like when they do stuff like this, because it's like, oh no, break the records out, let's see.
Speaker 3:Like y'all got more classic records than Nas and AZ, and then we can move on. Sirius is such a dope joint. We all had that moment a couple of shows ago where we was going off talking about Sirius. But like present day as it stands, my favorite AZ and Nas collab might be how you live. I love that record.
Speaker 1:I mean, everybody knows how I feel about phone tap, so phone tap is still, like you know yo this Esco who this whatever, ever since, like you know, yo this Esco who this whatever. Ever since I heard that beat drop. That's been my shit. So I'm with you and think about this. You're talking about how you're living. I'm talking about phone tap and none of us bringing up life's a bitch. That's what I mean. It's like no, no, no, let's play the records. Play the records.
Speaker 3:Even the Essence. The Essence was the essence. The essence is great.
Speaker 1:I like the essence more than how you're living in the flyers. Yo the talk at the beginning of the essence is classic, it is Yo, yo, stacey Lattice Tina Marie like that whole shit, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Before the first verse come out, it wins the battle Right, right.
Speaker 1:Your shit is hot. Your shit is baby blue. They powder blue. Your shit's hotter. You hotter with the, with the fuggins on.
Speaker 3:Yeah nigga, stop that, like stop that we pulled up to North Carolina. That's how Sean was admiring my shoes and my fit. He was like yo, you flyer can't take these anywhere.
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Speaker 1:We got y'all. We got two super chats AndrewWilliams199, the Joe Budden Podcast, or Nas Haters, we are aware, even though we support them overall for being groundbreaking, or Joe being groundbreaking, brandon Rogers $5. Tomorrow is the Godson's anniversary, of course.
Speaker 3:We'll be talking about it on the next show.
Speaker 1:We have to cover things within the time frame in which they happen. Tomorrow falls under next week. I might shoot a Lucy video out talking about Made you Look or something.
Speaker 3:We in the future with it sometimes too, but yeah, we'll get there.
Speaker 2:We'll there. Oh, we definitely discord. Might be doing a listening session tonight for the missionary album, so join our discord those guys be doing this.
Speaker 1:According from the reviews that I've been hearing, there's no need for you all to do all that. Go ahead and go, go to bed, get your flash, go and get you some sleep, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I need to still jet lag you want to know what I've been.
Speaker 1:From what I've been reading, from the reviews, you know what I actually thought about. I've been thinking where the hell is the glove in all this? Should have called the glove.
Speaker 2:That's again. You leave pieces of the recipe.
Speaker 1:One of the strongest things, glove told me he's like if we made a banging record. He's like if we made a banging record, he's like no, he's like I'm trying to call the same weed man, trying to call the same girls, trying to call you know, I mean the same action. So it's like if you do a missionary, which is the follow up, the doggy style, and like the chronic and chronic to like the mailman some Chris the glove, you know what I'm saying well, I had the same thought, but a little bit different.
Speaker 3:cool Coop. It wasn't a production aspect of it and we'll review it next week, but I'm already anticipating the biggest glaring missing piece will be Nate Dogg. I'm already thinking that, without even hearing it, I think that's going to be the glaring missing piece from all this.
Speaker 1:Last time they made an album together, there were songs like Murder Was the Case and what's my Name, and Gin and Juice. It's just that's why I didn't want them to do it. It's not realistic. It's not realistic.
Speaker 3:Look, my shirt is named after the Wack Sophomore album yeah, that immobility and the Prince of Darkness, the worst follow-up album trilogy.
Speaker 1:Look, look, look, look. That's the unholy trinity of sophomore rap albums. We'll see what the missionaries sound like though.
Speaker 3:But we are the dope pod trinity. So on that note we bid you adieu.
Speaker 1:Ain't none of y'all better Word to LOX? None of y'all better Word to L-O-X.
Speaker 2:None of y'all better Peace y'all, peace y'all.