HipHop Talks Podcast
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HipHop Talks Podcast
Best of 2024
🎵outro music plays🎵. Happy holidays everybody. Welcome to Hip Hop Talks. I hope you didn't get coal in your stocking like Sean did, even though Sean deserved it.
Speaker 2:I don't even understand anymore. Out the gate, Out the gate man.
Speaker 1:Click, like and subscribe everybody. The Tribe is almost at 2,000 followers on YouTube Now. Somehow we keep doing over 2,000 views every single show, guys, but we don't have 2,000 subscribers yet. So click, like, subscribe, share. We're at the end of our 2024 year, so we're going to be doing a little year in review. I don't have much to say. How was your holiday, fellas AG? How was your holiday?
Speaker 3:It was blessed, blessed time to be with you know, family and everything, and did a lot of good eating a lot of good food. But you know it was hella busy, like if tyra was a person. That's me man. I'm a lot of running the past couple days and making sure to tap in with a lot of family and stuff, but you know it's a blessed time crazy time, but blessed time no doubt sean.
Speaker 1:What about you, man? How was your holiday?
Speaker 2:it was good man we hosted this year. So um, family came through, got a meeting, got them out. Man, it's always good to be able to um when you can provide for the family and just have you know. Holidays like this, especially during these times, y'all would take a step back and realize how blessed you are, man. So it's a blessing to be able to give man Always Don't take it for granted at all Always, yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to kick it off. Man, my vibe is actually a little sports talk. I was thinking like fellas, we actually haven't had a little sports talk in a while. In the normal world that we grew up in, the NFL season would actually be ending this weekend, but there's now a 17-game season. But I just wanted to revisit a couple of things. I believe at the start of this season, somebody picked Patrick Mahomes to win MVP, somebody picked Joe Burrow to win MVP, somebody picked Joe Burrow to win MVP and somebody picked Josh Allen to win MVP and that would be me. And when I picked Josh Allen, both of you laughed at me.
Speaker 3:You laughed, I don't know if I laughed.
Speaker 2:Okay, you didn't laugh Sean definitely laughed, AG.
Speaker 1:you actually said it was a nice pick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I rock with Josh Allen. I don't know if I laugh. I have to check the tape.
Speaker 1:You laugh. But remember what I told you, guys. I said I want to pick Lamar. I was like, but he needs to win a ring and I don't want him to have three MVPs and no rings, and I'm worried about him getting a ring because of his defense. Well, here we are. It looks like he might be getting MVP number three, which means I think if he wins MVP number three, he has to close the deal this year. Guys, what do you?
Speaker 3:think you don't think Saquon got a shot.
Speaker 1:No, he's playing the NFC East though, so he plays the Cowboys and the Giants. That's like playing a Division I-A team and then playing like a Division I-AA team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like he has an outside chance. But yeah, lamar looks like he's, you know, suited to win it again. But I will say Coop, my guy that I picked Burroughs, had an MVP-type season. The team just didn't get the W's on the board.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you actually look numbers-wise, burroughs is the only guy really competing with Lamar numbers-wise, because Josh Allen numbers-wise isn't competing with Lamar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, burroughs is playing like the best quarterback in the league really.
Speaker 1:I mean no, lamar has the number one quarterback rating QBR, second in touchdowns, third in passing yards, fifth in completion percentage. Like he's pretty much.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, I mean he's a bomb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like nothing against Burrow, but it's like it's looking like MVP number three but it needs to be ring number one and it looks like when ring number one he's going to have to go through Buffalo and then Kansas City. Can he do that, guys? Do you think Short? And then Kansas City. Can he do that, guys? I think he can.
Speaker 2:Short answer no, I think he can. Oh, he can. Buffalo hasn't shown us what they can do in the playoffs. Right, they've always crumbled in the playoffs. The only team that's shown us, of course, is Kansas City. You know, josh Allen's playing outstanding. Without a true number one wide receiver, he's making everyone around him better. That team is clicking really well, but that defense is suspect. Lamar got Derrick Henry. If Derrick Henry can get rolling, and they can keep him rolling, he has a good chance. That defense, though, man, is shaky. They're up and down, they're up and down.
Speaker 1:Here's what I think. I think that Baltimore is just a bad matchup for Buffalo. I'm not worried about him going into Buffalo because I feel like Derrick Henry and that Buffalo front seven. He looks at them and he's like, okay, this is a buck 50 today. I'm not worried about him going into Buffalo. This is really more about lamar's ability to go into kansas city. Do you all think he can go into kansas city? And I'll do all my homes because I think that's what it's going to take. He's not gonna. He's gonna have to like put up 35 in arrowhead in january when they go head to head?
Speaker 3:who always outplays? Who, though, that's?
Speaker 2:a fact, that's that it's the k Kansas City defense that equalizes them. That Kansas City defense turns it up a different notch and they played really well this year. And that's the only reason Mahomes is not considered in the MVP race, because that defense is the MVP of that team.
Speaker 3:Mahomes has a subpar season. If you ask me, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He has a subpar season, but that defense is having a phenomenal season. Right, they're going to score 20 points a game and that defense is keeping the teams under check.
Speaker 3:That's how they got all the Ws.
Speaker 1:I don't think we've seen somebody that's in the GOAT conversation of quarterbacks in their prime have a season like Mahomes is having. But the team is remarkably well put together, well ran and the defense is phenomenal, so I think it kind of like gets past all that he's still a closer like his closing skills are still as good as this side of Brady.
Speaker 1:Everything else hasn't been as good outside of about three or four games. He's had about three or four games where you're like no, that's Mahomes, and the rest of the games have just been kind're like no, that's Mahomes. The rest of the games have just been kind of like okay, he's been okay in those games. He's just closed those games.
Speaker 2:Right, he's not playing games for you. That's how Brady was. Brady was Mahomes' phenomenal defense in New England. Early Brady, yeah, early Brady. In late Brady they have flashes of greatness. He wasn't lighting the board up all the time, but he didn't lose the game for you. He didn't have costly turnovers and he was poor as a clutch.
Speaker 1:I feel like the last time the Patriots had a great defense was that 2016, and I feel like when Peyton Manning figured them out in the.
Speaker 1:AFC championship game. Like defensively they were just never quite the same. They had some good defenses, some really good ones, some borderline great ones, but like that was like the last time they had like a great defense. Like that 2007 defense was more of a timely defense, with like savvy veterans and Pro Bowl and like Hall of Fame players Like they weren't necessarily always great, like teams did put points up on them, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they weren't breaking. They weren't a defense that just totally got dominated or broke. Bray didn't have to go out there and put up 30 points to overcome defense failures oh, no, no, no, he didn't have to do that. He still put up 30, though Right, that defense gave him many opportunities. They gave him chances to have more plays, more series to run through. They weren't great, they weren't phenomenal as 2007 or what have you, but they were still a defense that kept teams in check. That's what Mahomes got.
Speaker 2:He got a defense that keeps teams in check where he doesn't have to force to throw up 30 points or 40 points a game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they always put Brady in position to close the game. Even if he had a bad game, he always had an opportunity to close out, which he always delivered on. I hate to say it because I wasn't a Brady fan, but Mahomes was in a similar type position.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I think what this really comes down to is that can somebody actually go into Kansas City and go up 14 points? Because what we're pretty much saying, if the game go into Kansas City and go up 14 points? Because what we're pretty much saying, if the game's going to be nip and tuck, we know what's going to happen at the end, and so essentially, it needs to be a situation where a team gets up on them early and then we're like okay, how do they respond? So, other than that, you guys pretty much have the Chiefs is what you're saying.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, because I think Lamar got to decide what type of quarterback he'd want to be in that type of game. You know what I'm saying. Does he want to be the quarterback you know to pass and get everybody else involved, or do you want to, like you know, get a lot of rushing yards on the board? And I think you know that's something he struggles with a lot of times in the big games to find that identity.
Speaker 1:I think in Buffalo he gets to be whoever he is. But if they're going to win in Kansas City, lamar actually doesn't need to do anything but turn around and hand the ball to Derrick Henry 25 to 30 times, because that's how you beat Kansas City in Kansas City. You don't beat Kansas City in Kansas City by actually throwing the ball 25 to 30 times. You beat them by letting the 250-pound running back pound on that tough defense and you test their will and you see if they bend or don't break.
Speaker 3:But that's what I'm saying. If he tries to get as many yards himself as Henry gets, then we got a problem, a problem.
Speaker 2:We got a problem.
Speaker 1:I mean that hasn't been a problem all year, though that hasn't been a problem all year. All his yards have been like very organic this year.
Speaker 2:We'll see. We'll see it's going to be tough.
Speaker 1:All right, remember, I remember we were here, fellas, let's get to some Super Chats, and then we're going to get to some anniversaries and then we're going to get to our top ten of 2024. Cj, the Kid with the super chat. Finally, early Hope. You guys are all good. Happy holidays, fellas. Happy holidays CJ.
Speaker 3:See you.
Speaker 1:CJ Ill Magic. I watched a tarot card reader do a reading on Kendrick Drake and, wow, a lot of interesting information came up. I don't play with that Bumba Clyde witchcraft, joss, okay.
Speaker 2:That's wild. That's a tarot card wrapper.
Speaker 1:Play those things, Rappers.
Speaker 3:If I wasn't into that tarot card stuff I would have wasted. All know what was going on with them cats.
Speaker 2:Let me know when all Primo and Nas coming out. I don't want to know that.
Speaker 1:I don't want to know that bad Double 07. What up, queens? Get the money. Muddy Waters 2 was too long. What an interesting year in hip-hop. 2025 may bring clarity to where things stand with Cole, kenny Drake. Nah, these dudes is ambiguous like Prince's wardrobe, uh-uh.
Speaker 3:Is that ambiguous or androgynous? I think it's the wrong word, Coop.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Ambiguous, confusing, confusing, no.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, I got you. Confusion of meanings yes, Well, I think it was confusing for us. I think Prince knew what he was doing when he was stepping out. It was confusing for us.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That's what I meant, not for him. You still got the gloves up. The gloves are on the wall actually now I actually put the gloves up on the wall. Sean, you're safe for another day, all these hoes getting in Lake Minnetonka.
Speaker 2:Cool wedding gloves at Target For Christmas. It's crazy. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:Whoa, whoa, whoa. North Shore, North Shore, north Shore Watch yourself Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Nordstrom, nordstrom, nordstrom.
Speaker 3:Ridiculous. Watch yourself Long as you don't got the jeans in Nordstrom.
Speaker 2:That's all we Yo, I got it. I cut the seat out. He got the seat. He got the seat.
Speaker 1:Let's go to the anniversaries which and thanks for the transition 007 actually involved red man. Red man has I mean, um, red man has a new project out, guys. Uh, quick thoughts on what do we think of muddy waters too?
Speaker 3:I think the super chat said a lot of it. I think it was too long. You know I listened to it a time and a half um, with all the busyness I had over the past couple days. Um, 32 tracks a little much, but you know me and sean talked behind the scenes and the runtime itself is not long. Um, it's about an hour 20 minutes and some change. But um, I do think it was a lot of. The fact could have been trimmed off this album, and it could if it was cut down to even 20 tracks. I think it was a lot of. The fat could have been trimmed off this album and if it was cut down to even 20 tracks, I think we got a top 10 project of the year on our hands if you trim some of the fat. But it's a lot of stuff on here that I do love and Redman's spitting.
Speaker 2:He's spitting. Never had an issue with Redman spitting, though Never had an issue with that. Always up the far, always up the. Never had an issue with Redman Spitting, though never had an issue with that. Always up to par, always up to par. I like the project.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot of songs, a lot of skits, it's a lot going on with it. It's 30 listed, of course, with skits and everything included, but I think it's like an hour 10 minutes length of an album, so it's not like long songs are in play that you're dealing with. Um, it's just, uh, the gravity of what you're looking. You're looking at 30 number in 2024 and you're like, okay, that's a lot, that's a lot to consume, but it's, it's vintage red man. You've got the skits. I think he gave all his fans everything that he's been for the past some odd years, right? Um, in this album it's just a lot, it's bloated, right, it's bloated with a lot of different things. You take those skits off and you focus on the music itself. You trim it down, probably like 23, 24, easily, and now you can start really licking that album a different way. Um, I thought that Redman sounded great.
Speaker 2:He sounded the same. His voice hasn't changed. Tone hasn't changed. You still got the comedy in his lyrics. You still got just the punch lines. You got the confidence. You have everything that you want in a Redman album. In my opinion, muddy Waters 2, again it goes back to. We talked about Dre and Snoop Dogg Missionary. You're talking about a follow-up to a classical album, so eventually your ear is going to be like I want to hear fragments of the predecessor and you don't get all of that. But I still think it's a dope album.
Speaker 1:I think Redman did his thing I think he was in such a rare zone in Muddy Waters. I think it's one of those albums that, no matter where you have it ranked in the canon of hip hop classics, it's one of those rap albums that kind of define a rapper being in their zone, quote, unquote. You know, like, everybody has their zone where they get hot. Like Clay Thompson has a certain zone when he gets hot. You know what I'm saying. Jamal Crawford, like you know, when those guys start cooking it's like oh, when he gets in his zone it's like oh, no, he can go for 50 with the best of them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I think, like Muddy Waters, is that for Redman that's his 50-point Kobe, 40-point game in a row type of streak. And so anytime you have an album like that much like a Purple Tape, a Supreme Clientele, dmx with it's Dark and Hell is Hot, if you were making sequels to these projects, the expectations are going to be pretty lofty. I do think, for the length of time that it took for him to actually, you know, come out with this project and how much time has passed. I like the fact that he, admittedly, is trapped in the 90s nigga adapting to the modern day hip hop times. There's something about him being funny about that that makes this album more enjoyable than your average OG rapper's album. I do think it's a good album. I do think it's too damn long, even though he does an excellent job of understanding today's times, because a lot of these records are only two minutes long, which is why the album is only an hour and some change with this many tracks, but it's still too many damn tracks.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of heat on here and I'm not sure if it would crack my top 10 possibly, but definitely has top 20 possibilities If, uh, if, the fat was trimmed some, or maybe even without the fat trim.
Speaker 3:So can I uh do a couple of rebuttals. If the fat was trimmed some, or maybe even without the fat trimmed, can I do a couple of rebuttals to some things you said. What Sean said at first, like with the missionary comparison, I do think it's better than missionary. I think it delivered on that front. As far as sequels are concerned, that's not saying a lot. And then as far as the timeframe, because I was talking about the tracks being too long too, in our discord and uh, uh shout out to iron myers, I think he pointed out, you know, well, I don't care that it's 32 tracks. It's been 15 years since the last red man album and I was like damn, I didn't realize it had been that long. But you know he's right. So, and it was one of the songs I can't remember what it was, but he's talking about, um, you know, if you uh, you know people tripping if you go in a store without your mask on, so it, like it begged the question like, damn, some of these songs might have been recorded over the past like handful of years. You know what I mean because, like you know, mask mandates ain't been a thing for a minute. So you know, I just think it's like you know where he was sitting on a lot of material and kind of put it all together. That's just my guess.
Speaker 3:But, like I said, it's a lot of stuff on here that I love. I love. You know I'm saying light it up. You know that was a Brick City jersey posse cut that had everybody, anybody and everybody you can think of. I thought that was a dope joint. And yeah, man, I just Into the skits. I was going to ask, sean, well, if somebody opposed your view on it. Redman came from the skit era, so you know, and that was a big part of his stick. You know what I mean On all the albums that he did a lot of the skits part of his stick. You know what I mean On all the albums that he did a lot of skits because they tied into the songs, especially like Superman, lover and joints like that. So do you think he should have deterred away from the skits this time around?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I wasn't saying that and I apologize.
Speaker 3:I say, make the skits part of the song, because if the song's only two minutes anyway, then I think they could be integrated within the song absolutely again I think this album was for the fans.
Speaker 2:I think this album was really for him and his fans. I don't think this was trying to insert myself into the 2024 algorithm. I don't think this is, you know, trying to insert myself into the new wave of hip hop, um, or the way things are being done in hip hop today. This, to me, was an old day, a slight old day, to the way he make music, the way he make albums. Part of his album, you got the Superman love in there. You got the funny skits in there. You got the parody in there. You got all of these things in there that you're known for, redman. If he did not do that, the fans who love Redman would say why didn't he put that in there? Where is the Superman skit? Where is the parody? Where is the funny stuff? Where is that jovial stuff from Redman? So I think this was an old day to the fans and to his core audience. To be quite honest, Fair enough.
Speaker 1:Nah, I could have kept a lot of them skits. We're going to get to some super chats. Ill Magic. Would y'all like to listen to a Black Thought album produced by alchemist and hit boy? Ill magic. I would listen to a black thought album produced by jay cole and big crit. Hell yeah, I would listen to it. Hit boy and alchemist did it. That's right. Being shady, being shady and petty. I gotta be consistent. I started off the year being shady and petty and that's how I'm gonna end the year next our man 499, peace Redman should have trimmed this album down to 12 songs and have it solely produced by Madlib.
Speaker 1:I do like the Redman-Madlib idea Because Madlib gets funky. You know what I'm saying. Funk, rock the spot, absolutely. Cj, the Kid with the $5 Super Chat, light it Up made me proud to be from Brick City, proud to hear it. Cj. All right, fellas, y'all want to go over anniversaries or y'all want to go ahead and slide the anniversaries to the back end and get to the meat of the topic?
Speaker 2:Let's get to the reason for the evening.
Speaker 1:All right. So, gentlemen, we all have our top 10 albums of 2024. So, of course, with the three of us having three separate lists, there's only one good list. That's my list. But we're going to go ahead and let you two guys talk about your list. Let's talk about your list, let's talk about your list.
Speaker 2:You got to talk about my list.
Speaker 1:Let's take your list you'll be so proud of me, sean. There's no Glowrilla on my list. There's no Glow on my list. You'd be so happy. It was close. It was almost there, almost there On the cusp, on the cusp, almost.
Speaker 3:No, comment no comment.
Speaker 2:I'm glad to know who you are, AG.
Speaker 1:So how are we going to do this fellas? Are we going to do a Hip Hop Talks top ten list and, kind of like, trim the fat of each other's list or see what we?
Speaker 3:got in common. Let's see what we all agree on.
Speaker 1:I personally and this isn't like it isn't a great year, but it is a deep year with a lot of what I like to call solid projects. It's like no, no, no, that project was good. I can't really hate on the project. The project was just solid and a year of solid projects. When I went back and listened to everything over the last couple weeks, fellas just felt like Freddie Gibbs made the best project. That's how I feel you Only Die Once is the best album this year. In my opinion, it's not missing anything.
Speaker 1:I actually started thinking about Freddie and I realized Freddie is the best album maker of this generation, because I was actually trying to think of the last time that Freddie made an album that wasn't an album of the year contender when he made it. Think about that. When's the last time Freddie didn't make an album that wasn't an album of the year contender when he made it? Think about that. When's the last time Freddie didn't make an album that was easily like a top five, top ten album that year, even if it was an album of the year? It's been like a decade since that happened, fellas.
Speaker 3:It's been a while.
Speaker 1:It's been a while it's been a long long time, like, think about it. Soul, soul, separately, Shit. That's a top two album that year in my opinion. Alfredo, same thing Top three or four Piñata, bandana. It's been a long time since Freddie hasn't even made an album of the year. Contender, he's the best album maker of this generation. He made my album of the year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have the same one at number one for me.
Speaker 2:Sean, I do too. I think Freddie, overall, freddie to me the most complete album. Yeah, it's Fred, it has legs, his album has legs, it does the replay value.
Speaker 1:It's entertaining to go back to and to ride to. Yes, the bar work is there, the song structure is there, the replay value is there, freddie knows how to make a dope ass rap album and it's actually becoming.
Speaker 1:You know how about? You don't remember, like, do y'all remember? Y'all remember that moment before it like flipped, when we used to have those conversations about how underrated black thought was as an MC Freddie is that for album making for this generation? His album making skill is so vastly underrated. He's the best album maker of this generation, which makes him one of the best album makers of all time. Catalog-wise. His catalog is pretty damn tough guys. It doesn't have the high-end stuff like a Mobb Deep or you know he's somewhere. He is somewhere in Pusha's territory to me, because he's a better album maker than Pusha, even though I don't think Pusha's the superior MC, but Freddie's the superior album maker.
Speaker 3:I think you have to clarify Pusha's solo because if you count the superior album maker now he's thinking to clarify push a solo because if you count the clip stuff then that's where pusher may have an edge, you know no push has the edge overall because of stuff, but if it was solo.
Speaker 1:You know, I always tell you it's like, as much as I love some lyrics, I'm gonna take the guy that makes the album. So, even as much as I love push, if we're just talking solo solo career, I'm taking freddy's career over pushes, and everybody knows how I feel about push. But yeah, if you're putting the clip stuff in the clip stuff is next level to me, though, so yeah yeah, freddy, freddy got it.
Speaker 3:So I guess we're starting at the top with uh, he only died um once, so, yeah, we got um. We got michael williams with die once.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I joined Jones-Harris, we got Michael Williams with the $5 Super Chat, freddie has arguably amassed the most impressive catalog over the past decade, correct? Piñata, alfredo, you Only Live Twice. Fetty Bandana, so-so Separately. Yoda, yeah, you only die once, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's almost like me and you hold Scarface real high, scarface's discography. Scarface has one of the best discographies ever and the higher tier albums out of his discography still don't get talked about in the annals of like classics or near classics albums as much as the other greats. So in that respect, not saying that Freddie is a good MC of Scarface or anywhere close for that matter, but his discography has the quality the same way Scarface does and doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 1:He's not the MC that Scarface is, because Scarface is one of the 10 greatest MCs of all time in my opinion, five personally. But I have always told people that the closest thing that I've heard to Scarface in this modern day is Freddie Gibbs on Alfredo. It's very, very Scarface-like to me on Alfredo, like Mr Scarface's back diary, mr Scarface, like that guy.
Speaker 3:But even then, that's kind of my point, because if you're talking about the greatest albums of all time, I mean, how much do you hear, you know the diary come up in conversation, in conversation, untouchables, like you know the fix, mr scarpus, you don't hear about them, but they're top tier albums all jokes aside, as far as, like rap pundits on any level are concerned, I'm the only person that I hear referencing the diary in that regard.
Speaker 2:if you really want to know the truth, I don't know what y'all talking about right now, but I'll let y'all have it out. Y'all are crazy to talk now.
Speaker 3:That's why Shaw thought to echo it, because he was hating on Freddie. I'm not hating on. Freddie, I'm just saying you're putting me in the same vein as Mr Scarface.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all going crazy.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm not saying the album is good as Scarface albums, it's just the sentiment of it being under the radar. Under the radar, classic material for this era.
Speaker 1:A lot of people like Last of a Dying Breed dropped and nobody talked about it. That's a brilliant rap album.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Scarface does have brilliant rap albums and he'll just drop a brilliant rap album and people won't even like it.
Speaker 3:In no way am I comparing Freddie to Scarface, but it's just like you know to put out great material in it. You know, following deaf ears like that, I think that's very Scarface-like.
Speaker 2:There's a lot that yeah, I see what you're saying, because he's missing it it factor. There's a factor that he doesn't have. He doesn't have that factor Because everything you all are saying about Freddie, he should be named a little bit more closely to the Coles and to the Kendricks and to the Drakes, based on catalog. If we're basing it only based on catalog, his catalog stands up with theirs, according to how you do it.
Speaker 3:It's better than all theirs. I think the only one that's a conversation is Kendrick's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his catalog is better than Drake and Cole's.
Speaker 2:Is his high end as high as their high end? No, In the end it's better.
Speaker 1:In the end it's better. Their front end is better than.
Speaker 2:Hypebeast, yeah. What counts more in today's hip-hop?
Speaker 1:Commercial success, yeah, yeah. But what counts more in today's hip-hop? Commercial success. And freddie don't got that. That's definitely where he's. He's um, he's losing. He's losing the same battle that um cool g rap and pusha t and griselda. There you go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cool g rap is a good example. That might be a better example than scarface yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:See, here's the thing. He's not as lyrically inclined as G-Rap either, but the ethos of the material is very G-Rap, scarface-ish, which kind of hurts. Scarface was still even kind of an anomaly because Scarface would go gold and go platinum. Scarface got gold and platinum hanging on the wall in multiples.
Speaker 3:I think that part of that's the era. Freddie is a throwback to our era in a lot of ways. He would have thrived more.
Speaker 1:I think in our era he's a mob deep selling type of artist.
Speaker 3:Gold artist yeah.
Speaker 1:Depending on the album. How about this? I feel like Soul Soul separately would have probably been his murder music, so it probably would have went platinum in its day, you know what I'm saying yeah, no.
Speaker 2:I can't relate what y'all are saying right now. I'm sorry, I don't see it.
Speaker 3:No, he would be a gold standard artist, like in the same wheelhouse as like what's?
Speaker 1:No, I'm tired of trying to please Go to your number two.
Speaker 3:Go to your number two.
Speaker 1:AJ, what you got at number two.
Speaker 2:I got Rhapsody. I was right or wrong?
Speaker 3:I got Rhapsody. Please don't cry at my number two.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second. Brandon Rogers with the $10. Hollalla, I'm mad they took off anniversary on. You only die once. I guess the sample didn't clear, but it's still a fire album without it.
Speaker 3:It is a fire no but that they took that off it took it off and I haven't, I haven't listened to it. In a few weeks they took dad, that's crazy, that was puffed in.
Speaker 1:Puffed in, take that.
Speaker 2:Take that too well, I guess um, listen to it, um to it where you wax poetic about it. You have known that, but I know the way.
Speaker 1:AG just wrote his face is priceless, but yeah.
Speaker 3:AG is going to get that. It's still my number one, but that hurts man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think for us, in the framework of it, we have already attached that song to that album and so, even though they officially are taking it off, it's like we're still counting it the same way. I'm still counting that Braveheart party.
Speaker 3:I knew you was going to say that I'm not letting it go.
Speaker 1:I refuse to let it go. You have no business making an album that good with records like that and allowing that record to be released. Still a classic, still five months. Wow, it is it go. You have no business making an album that good with records like that and allowing that record to be still five mics wow, it is definitely thought about taking a quarter of a mic.
Speaker 1:We need to like bang one of the mics, like it need to be five mics, but one of the fifth mic need to be malfunction because of Braveheart Party.
Speaker 3:That's how terrible people only do that with Steelmatic. I could go through a ton of classic albums.
Speaker 1:They got one of those well, we're talking about that album, that one. It's ridiculous. I agree with you, ag. I got Please Don't Cry by Rhapsody as my number two as well. We are in unison once again, sean. What about you? Here come the haters.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not going to hate you because I have Rhapsody at number one. I would have. I personally, personally would have Rhapsody over Gibbs album personally, yes, personally, I would have Rhapsody album over Gibbs album.
Speaker 3:I'm not mad at that, but it's three of us and you lost the vote two to three yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:It was so ruthless how he delivered that to you. I thought we were about to take a vote. When he said it was ruthless, I thought we were voting. He was waiting for that because of what I said earlier.
Speaker 2:That's how he operates, man, and y'all seen it, and y'all don't even acknowledge it.
Speaker 1:He was like hold on One, two, three, no.
Speaker 2:He was just waiting. He was, he waited, he was waiting.
Speaker 3:I will not confirm nor deny.
Speaker 1:So hold on, so you have Rhapsody at number one, and Giggs at number two. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:That's the thing because I don't want to be a prisoner of what we just what we just heard because I do think that as time went on this year, the rhapsody album, um, it lost a little bit of its uh, its luster, and I think that's that goes to say with a lot of the albums that we had so far, this, I think a lot of these albums, just over a short span of time I think that's's the year.
Speaker 1:I think that's the year. That's the type of year it is. It's one of those funny years where all the albums kind of had that kind of feeling.
Speaker 3:No separation, no staying power, nothing that was significantly evidently above the fray.
Speaker 2:Correct Because I think it's just, it's tough Because I can say GNX will be better than rap city album for me. I wouldn't be mad at that and I think is I don't know if it's because it's more, it's more recent.
Speaker 3:I would be mad at that, of course, of course no, I wouldn't be mad, because gnx is my number three spoiler alert, but I got gnx at three, so okay, you want to stop that okay.
Speaker 2:So I'll be honest, I will. For me, my palate. I would have have G-Nex over on Gibbs just for me, because of the entertainment of it.
Speaker 3:Well, it looks like you're going to lose the vote on this place. Big Koo, of course, so it's going to be at the top three somewhere. That gives me joy.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie, you have this album in your top five.
Speaker 2:You have this album in your top five.
Speaker 1:Both of you have this album in your top five.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, it's my number three.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, cool man in the Garden, glory yeah and Glory D's nigga, glory yeah.
Speaker 1:Glory D's nigga Popple.
Speaker 2:Up, that was a coop diss.
Speaker 3:I don't give a fuck. Didn't you say the week that this dropped on our show? Didn't you say that this was a top five album? Yeah, Because nothing that's come out after that has been better Nothing.
Speaker 1:Nothing Okay. So I've been going back and doing some listening to some things. Of course, I actually put Paisley Dreams at number three. I think it's the best produced album this year by far beat and production-wise and Game's bar work. As far as mic performance is the most underrated mic performance this year. The album's pretty stellar. It really is, and unlike Freddie's album, they actually got to keep their fly-ass gangster rap sample. You know.
Speaker 3:I have it in my top 10, but it's lower. It's a lot lower.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm struggling, I'm struggling. So GNX is your number three, paisley Dreams is my number three, sean. What's your number three? The Force, the Force. I have the Force and GNX tied at five.
Speaker 3:I have the Force at four.
Speaker 1:So we're all high on the force, so we all have the force in our top five, but we all don't have G and X necessarily in our top five.
Speaker 3:Sean just said he did. Sean said he had G and X over. That's okay. My opinion reigns supreme. I don't got to be asked.
Speaker 2:It's all right, y'all seen it, piece by piece, piece by piece.
Speaker 1:Ridiculous. We have super chats to get to.
Speaker 2:This is tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is tough. Andrew Williams, I'm sorry, I just don't see what y'all see about Gibbs. Lol, y'all think he can beat Drake in the versus.
Speaker 3:Hell. No, I just don't see what y'all see about Gibbs. Lol, y'all think he can beat Drake in the versus. If no, then versus is a different conversation.
Speaker 2:I don't think Gibbs can beat so here we go there we go, there we go. I don't think he can beat this guy right here in the versus, that's AG. Yes, sir. This guy right here in the verses, that's AG. The Pillage yes, sir, he ain't got nothing better than the Pillage.
Speaker 3:One of the best little albums ever.
Speaker 1:First of all, he has plenty of albums better than the Pillage. All of these albums are better than the Pillage.
Speaker 3:I don't know about plenty Coop, Maybe a couple.
Speaker 2:He ain't got milk this cow in his catalog. Three and a possible Shout out to AG for the final.
Speaker 3:No doubt. Yo, like Kendrick, can't be no lower than three, Because Sean got him in his top two, I got him at three and you got him at what five. So I mean it can't go no lower than three, and then, of course, it would evidently be our number four Rubble up.
Speaker 1:I'm taking notes on this. Excuse me, it's tough man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I told y'all this was going to be tough. We're behind the skis, man.
Speaker 3:If you concede it to Gibbs being number one then I think Koop should have to concede to. Kendrick being number three. I agree. That's a great point, I agree.
Speaker 1:That point sounds terrible. That sounds like one of the worst points that we've heard this year.
Speaker 2:That's a great point.
Speaker 1:That's a phenomenal point Bullshit is what it is.
Speaker 3:Kendrick I mean Coop came on the show and was plotting on. How could he not Kendrick out of the top 10? How could he hate Kendrick out of the top 10?
Speaker 1:I was gonna get him to 5. 5 was the goal ain't no way.
Speaker 3:G and X is too good to be number 5 not that good it's good, better than anything that's hovering around 5. I don't know to be number five. Okay, not that good, it's good.
Speaker 1:Better than anything that's hovering around five. I don't know. It's hovering around five for me, all right. So we got Freddie at one, raps at two, gnx at three, ll at four. The Force is four because we all have the Force in our top five. I have it at five, you have it at four, you have it at what? Four? Yeah, two fours and a five make a fifth, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, this is tough, aj, you writing this down? Yep, this is tough. We may have to end up going back and look at this real tight.
Speaker 3:Number five I'll tell you what I did. Have Sky Zoo there, prisoner of the Moment, and I compared that to Calm and Pete Rock and I went back and listened to both.
Speaker 1:Those are all terrible choices.
Speaker 3:Damn, I'm going to have to give that fifth spot to Tom and Pete Rock. If y'all got something else that I got in the ballpark, I'm not mad if something else goes there.
Speaker 1:I have the auditorium 13th on my list for the year.
Speaker 3:That's insane, man. That's insane Y'all in the chat. Feel free to bash Coop with his hater ways. Man that's y'all in the chat. Feel free to bash Cooke with his hater ways oh shit, what just happened, man?
Speaker 1:I don't know what just happened accepting technical difficulties trying to put this boring ass rap album in the top five. Shame on you.
Speaker 3:I tell you what I got a six in the top five. Shame on you. Nah, I'll tell you what I got a six that's top five worthy. That wouldn't be mad if it was at five. It's Dolce.
Speaker 1:I got Dolce at. I got Dolce at seven, so I'm cool with Dolce.
Speaker 2:I got Shea over Dolce. Huh, I got Shea over Dolce.
Speaker 3:Shea is a possible in my list. As I got towards the bottom, the album was too short.
Speaker 1:Shea's album was too short to make my list. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I got it listed at number 10 for a possible, but it's more like an EP.
Speaker 1:It's too short. It's an EP, it's not an album.
Speaker 3:Sheesh. So what do you have at six Sean?
Speaker 2:I have Paisley at six, so if you, got Paisley Dreams at high.
Speaker 3:Sean has it that high, then we have to bump that up. I had it at number seven.
Speaker 1:I had it at three, so that makes it five.
Speaker 3:So we got to jump that up to five. That's only fair.
Speaker 1:I'm grabbing a pen. I want to write this down. I don't want. Ag looks like he got family from Florida. We got to count the ballot right. You know what I'm saying? I got a lot of family in Florida actually.
Speaker 3:See what I'm saying. I got Tampa, Jacksonville, got them all on lock.
Speaker 1:Jacksonville, not Duval County.
Speaker 2:Duval County, yeah, oh no, no, you can get up down there. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:He probably got somebody in Jacksonville running a Ponzi scheme right now. They're wild down there. They do whatever they want. Oh my God, okay playing dirty videos on YouTube? Not those type of dirty videos, damn cool. Not those type of dirty videos like the music video. Oh my god, I found the lord and am delivered. Sir, I don't watch those things damn nasty, you know a lot about it.
Speaker 3:It's crazy, wow, I'm walking away. Nasty, nasty, you know a lot about it. It's crazy, right?
Speaker 2:Wow, I'm walking away man. I told y'all this was going to be and y'all wanted to do 20. I told y'all doing this 10 was going to be tough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no doubt. And plus I ain't even tripping on 10, 11 through 20, man, because all them joints could be grouped together. They all can be.
Speaker 2:I ain't trying to spend an hour on here separating them out nah yo, this is Coopie watching porn.
Speaker 3:That's what he got on TV behind him right now yeah, that's not true, he look like. Let me check it's Redman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, coop nasty he look like. Let me check real quick yeah, just in case the algorithms pop up on him. This is wild me check real quick. Yeah, just in case the algorithms pop up on them go to the next album, please, children.
Speaker 1:Next album where are we at we're? We're outside. So we got our top five, so so at number one we got freddie gibbs. You only die once yep number two we have rap city. Please, please, don't Cry, yep. Number three is Kung Fu. All right next.
Speaker 3:G and X MVP of the year Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1:Not MVP. Number five is Paisley Dreams Game big hit Okay. And now we are at our number six. Well, AG, you had Dolce pretty high. Where did you have Dolce?
Speaker 3:I had Dolce at six, but I had Common Pete above Dolce.
Speaker 1:I had Common Pete at 13, so they getting knocked all the way the fuck out over here. I'm not having it. I'm not going to take some part. Boom, bap, rap from you old niggas anymore. I won't do it.
Speaker 3:Sean, what do you got higher between the Dochi and the Common Peak?
Speaker 2:I honestly have Dochi higher than Common Peak.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:I got Dochi at seven. If you got Dochi at six, I got Dochi at seven. Sean, where's Dochi for you?
Speaker 2:I have Dochi Oman at nine. Where do you have Skazu Sean? I dropped Skazu significantly at the top ten.
Speaker 3:Damn. He's still at my top ten, but I dropped him. Let significantly at the top 10.
Speaker 1:Bam, he's still in my top 10, but I dropped him. Let's go with Dolce at 6. Sounds like Dolce at 6.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cabernet's a little leathery. He needs a little bit more time to open up A little leathery.
Speaker 1:Yo man, I'm going to let you rock on that one Kuba, 10 years old, it's a 2014. Very robust. But yeah, old, it's a 2014. Very robust, Very robust.
Speaker 3:Doji's a star man. She's really doing her thing.
Speaker 2:This is tough. We got a few super chats too, fellas Okay.
Speaker 1:She never gave you money. Michael Williams with the $5 Super Chat, just want to point out that Coop was correct. He's been saying the Nas Primo album wasn't dropping this year.
Speaker 3:No, he said it wasn't dropping at all. He said it wasn't dropping at all. No.
Speaker 1:I said it wasn't dropping this year. I said it's not happening period.
Speaker 3:That's not what I said. It wasn't dropping this year. I said it's not happening period.
Speaker 1:That's not what I said. Go back and check the tape.
Speaker 3:You didn't have no faith Go check the tape.
Speaker 1:I said that it's not dropping this year.
Speaker 3:We still got a few more days left.
Speaker 1:It's not happening, niggas, it's not happening.
Speaker 2:Stranger things happen. He knew it's not happening.
Speaker 3:Magic drop Christmas Eve. Don't forget that. Speaking of new music, we did that, redman. Y'all hear that Hitboy Letter to my mentors? That was a dope Amish track. To Polo, to Don Kanye Nas, that was a dope joint by Hitboy. Shout out to Hitboy, shout out to Big boy.
Speaker 1:Shout out the hit. Shout out the big hit, too free. Big hit for you, big hit speaking.
Speaker 3:Speaking of which, where do y'all got um blacks and whites still in y'all's top 10?
Speaker 1:well, hold on, we're gonna get to that in a second. Let me finish these super chats. Oh okay, andrew williams with the 199 super chat. Gib Gibbs don't have any moments out his solid albums he doesn't.
Speaker 3:That's fair. That's a good point, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cordae's album the Crossroads was arguably top 5 this year. That's my mere thoughts. With the $4.99 super chat. I like the Cordae album. I thought it showed some growth. He, you know he suffers from the same thing that Freddie suffers from on the other side of the spectrum, when it's like he has all the skills and all the things to be like, I guess like a modern day tribe Lupe De La type of rapper, but it just doesn't connect as well for some reason. Any reason why Fellas real quick?
Speaker 2:He doesn't have a story, he doesn't have anything that can connect with the fans, that can connect with the audience.
Speaker 3:Any.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, sean. There's nothing that we can say. Man, he has an interesting storyline or interesting piece that made me want to tap into his music. It just doesn't happen. What?
Speaker 3:I'm going to say is I don't want it to come off disrespectful at all.
Speaker 1:Anytime a nigga says that, it's usually some very, very disrespectful stuff about to go down. It's like hey hey, hey. I don't mean to slap the shit out of you, but will you just turn your left cheek to the right?
Speaker 3:No, don't do that, because I like Cordae, I like his music. But with that said, I'm about to make an analogy and I don't want it to be taken out of context, for you know sneakerheads like me and Sean right. So Cordae, he reminds you too much of his influences, like J Cole or whatever. But if you want that bag, you're going to go to a J Cole instead of tapping into Cordae. You go into the store, you're going to buy the retro 7s, the 6s, the 4s, the 5s. You're not going to buy a pair of Jumpmans that have like a similar looking silhouette to the 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s or whatever. You're going to buy the retros, you're. You're going to buy the retros. You're going to leave the jumpmans on the shelf and Cordae is very much like buying some jumpman Jordans. I'm sorry, damn. That's not to be disrespectful, I'm just calling it what it is like if he went outside, like if he wasn't in that cold wheelhouse, so much you know you can get that from cold, like he just got to go outside of that a little bit more.
Speaker 3:But he has said one of the most profound things I've heard in recent times and Sean, I think he sent me the video we get too caught up on first week sales. I think it was Charlamagne asking him about his first week sales and did he think his album was a failure because it had low first week sales? And he said no, why should I base something that I put you know a year or more work time into just off what happens in one week? You know what I'm saying. That doesn't determine if I think it's a success or a failure, like people think, that success is predicated on first week sales because we're from an era where we went out to cop physical, so it's like you got to get it before it's gone, before the stores sell out of physicals.
Speaker 3:But now, in the digital era where everything's in the streaming music, always available to you, how many times has an album dropped and you was like shit, I ain't got time, I'll get to it later. You know I'll eventually listen to it. I'm not going to tap in right now. It's always there so you can have it at your fingertips at any time. So I I think you know that breakdown was one of the most profound things I've heard in this recent era because we put too much credence with that first week number. But with that said, jump Vance.
Speaker 1:I look at it like this I found out about Cordae because I was watching the US Open one night with the person that I was seeing at the time and he was sitting courtside in Naomi Osaka's box and I said who is this punk ass nigga that looks like a rapper sitting in Osaka's box and the chick that I was with at the time was like that is a rapper. His name's Cordae.
Speaker 3:When I find out about a rapper because he's dating a tennis player at the US Open, he probably ain't about to be my type of rapper, your type of rapper or anybody from my generation type of rapper, because we just look at him like a punk-ass kid or an offshoot. I mean, it ain't got to be all that. No, no, no, I'm just telling you, I'm worried about my statement being disrespectful and this is what Coop does Okay. I mean but.
Speaker 1:I'll let you actually have your statement. But what I'm really trying to say is that, well, he just doesn't come off well for our generation. We look at him like a knockoff, like a bootleg, like he's soft, not articulate enough. He's a lot of things to this generation. It's just like it doesn't connect. But there is a generation of people that he does connect to, you know. Yeah, my mere thoughts. Again, with the 499 super chat, I try my best to fall in love with common and pete rock. I just end up falling asleep each time I listen. Yes, I put on common and pete rock right after the andre flute album because it just goes together. It's perfect move. Wow, to go to sleep like that bad cool.
Speaker 2:It's not that bad's. Perfect music to go to sleep. It's not that bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's perfect music to go to sleep to. All right, so we have. So who do we have for number seven? Because it damn sure ain't common in Pete Rock.
Speaker 3:So what we just said is not Cordae either.
Speaker 1:Cordae didn't stand a chance in hell. Sorry, we appreciate you trying for Cordae. That shit's not happening at Hip Hop Talks In 2024, I feel bad man because Cordae came to West Virginia man.
Speaker 3:He opened for Lil Wayne here.
Speaker 1:So did. So, guys, he did.
Speaker 2:He came to West Virginia for no concert and Cordae did not. You're telling me that West Virginia lied First of all, they don't even have.
Speaker 1:They don't even have venues in West Virginia with work.
Speaker 3:Now we ain't gonna do that, Coop, because we went to the festival. We met up at the festival in North Carolina, your home state, and I was like yo, this is all the people here. We got bigger joints than this in West Virginia, Like don't do that.
Speaker 1:First of all, that's the first city in North Carolina. All right, it's a small city.
Speaker 3:It don't matter. It don't matter, that's your home state. I'm talking about the whole state, even if it's not your city.
Speaker 1:It's the city, that's your state. There was working plumbing at that event. What more do you want?
Speaker 3:Hey man, it was a good turnout. Don't get it twisted. The people showed love. I don't want to do that either. But West Virginia, we had some dope festivals. Shout out to Multifest in Charleston every year. That's where. Remember I told you they was trying to lift a girl in a wheelchair on stage to see LL Cool J. Remember that you want to know what that is. Those are the people who were doing drugs. Those are the people who were doing drugs.
Speaker 1:It's a hustler's convention. That's what that is. It's a hustler's convention. People were doing drugs.
Speaker 3:LL was like bring her up. I was like I don't know if that's a good idea. You're doing drugs. Ll thought he had the force for real. He was going to hold his head down. We're going to the next album.
Speaker 1:We have to go to the next album. This is crazy. The sidebar is nasty. The West Virginia Chronicles man. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Calling them the West Virginia Chronicles is crazy. The Chronicles man is crazy. Oh man, the Chronicles. When we were talking, we were digging North Carolina, he was like I can't believe I'm home again. He took a big breath. He was like I'm back. He was like I'm back. There were like 13 people out there.
Speaker 3:He was like I'm back oh man, coop thought he was the product. What's up?
Speaker 1:number 7. Album number 7 please, my bad.
Speaker 3:Future Future Metro. Yeah, I had that at my number. Album number seven, please my bad. Future Future Metro. Yeah, I had that at my number nine, so I wouldn't be mad if it was at number seven.
Speaker 1:I have it at number ten. Where did y'all have Blue Lips by Schoolboy Q?
Speaker 3:It didn't make my top ten, it just hit my top ten At ten. I had it as a possible, but it wasn't in my top 10. I'm lobbying for Common and Pete or Sky Zoo at number seven. That's what I'm lobbying for.
Speaker 1:Sky Zoo didn't make my list and Common and Pete Rock are 13 on my list. Common and Pete Rock are not making this list. Say it slow with me. It's because we got to break it down.
Speaker 3:We losing credibility by the minute because of y'all man.
Speaker 2:No the album's not good AG we got to call it what it is.
Speaker 3:It's not top five good, but you're saying it's not top ten good. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:I can argue either way. I can argue that of the top 10 or out of the top 10, either way.
Speaker 3:Nobody wants to hear your diplomatic take, John. I think saying you can argue for it either way is great, it's great.
Speaker 2:That was not diplomatic you know what it is.
Speaker 1:It's great for when I'm like leaving the 18th hole on the golf course and I want something to listen to on my AirPods on the way back to the clubhouse. After like wine and cheese and crackers and shit.
Speaker 2:It's more of a boring time. We're trying to force that. I think a lot of the hip-hop heads are saying because they are we are the bar work is not there. Common doesn't under-deliver in this project, but I always felt like After the first week or two we talked about this, it just didn't have any legs. I can't see that's on the back of that album.
Speaker 3:If anyone says I did go back to it and then I was like, yo, this is pretty good. It's not great, but it's pretty good.
Speaker 1:It didn't have no legs, no knees, elbows, Hands. It's not moving at all.
Speaker 3:Sound like me these days.
Speaker 1:Sound like that lady in the wheelchair. That's what that out is Yo?
Speaker 3:no, don't do that. Edit this part out. Yo You're killing our ass, bro.
Speaker 1:Y'all talking about me.
Speaker 2:Y'all talking about me. Look, I do think that we need to like look, okay, let's be sensible about this. Let's be sensible. I'm not opposed to saying that Carmen and Pete Rock is at number 10. I'm not opposed to that, I really. Is it a dope album? Yes, okay, not opposed to that, I really is it a dope album? Yes, okay, I do think that the name recognition outweighs the quality of the album, in my opinion, and just my opinion. Yeah, I haven't gone back to that album a lot at all. Straight up and down. I think that if we're comparing it to the others that came out I don't know this one has that staying power for me. I don't think it was designed to be that way, though. I think it was just it's a dope moment, a dope album, but I think the name recognition is higher. I really do.
Speaker 1:I think that's an excellent way of putting it, sean. The brand name is better than the actual package itself. It's like the name on the outside of the box is better than what's inside the box. It really is, and and when you do that, that means that you didn't put together a good project, and it's not. It's really not one of the 10 best projects this year. Like like when I bought up blue lips by schoolboy q, because because schoolboy q's blue lips, like the high moments production and like like-wise on there, to me far exceed the Pete Rock and Common album to the point that it makes me look at the Common Pete Rock album borderline like a disappointment, because this is one of Q's weaker efforts.
Speaker 3:Nah, I really like Blue Lips. I'm not mad at Blue Lips being in the top 10 at all. I really rock with that project. I got it on my list. I in the top 10 at all. I really rock with that project. I got it on my list. I have more than 10 albums written down for 10 to get in, but I just wrote out 9 and then a bunch of possibles that could squeeze in for 10.
Speaker 2:It's a bunch of possibles, man, and that's what I'm saying. Common and Pete is a Steady Eddie album. I don't think you have any bad moments on that album. I just think you have a really just a dope album.
Speaker 3:And it's okay. It's okay. So you had the Che pretty high, but me and Coop both said that was more like an EP because it was only what like seven tracks.
Speaker 1:Was it even seven?
Speaker 3:It was six or seven, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I feel like it was six.
Speaker 3:Okay, and then I was getting ready to ask are we keeping that same energy? Because I still had I Am God's Blood Stained Suede in my top five, I mean in my top ten. His joint was a nine, it was eight or nine.
Speaker 1:I mean I had more suede at four. More suede was my four, it was in your top five. Yeah, okay, but I felt like it was a full album, though, like it was in your top five. Yeah, okay, but I feel like it was um a full album, though like it was not correct.
Speaker 3:I'm just asking about the tracks or whatever, because we got to be fair, because if we do that, the chain and you know, shout out to I am god.
Speaker 1:But if it was the same I feel like your play time needs to be over like 25 minutes, like it's kind of like. You know I'm saying anything under 25 minutes. I feel like it's ep and I feel like that chair is under 25 minutes. Somebody check.
Speaker 3:And see, yeah, it was under 25, I remember oh yeah, that's the ep. That's the ep under 25 minutes now, what about any of the benny projects?
Speaker 1:I see my thing with the many projects. Is that all the many projects for me? Like I feel like he has three projects that could possibly be between 10 and 20, but none of them are in the top 10.
Speaker 3:I think the one with 38 could be top 10 worthy.
Speaker 2:Was that the best one?
Speaker 1:out of the three, I think Summertime Butch is the one that's closer to being top 10 worthy.
Speaker 3:Really Well. Everybody Can't Go was the marquee one, but that was my least favorite out of the three.
Speaker 1:I have all three of those albums between my 11 to 20, though.
Speaker 3:That says that he was at least consistent.
Speaker 1:Even if it wasn't great, he was consistent after your heavy, heavy hitters, like after your future, and kendrick and cole and drake, like he's in that. He's in that conversation this year just because of quality of production of product, because summertime butch is a banger, so is stabbing shot too, and so is everybody can't go, but no top 10 for him, unfortunately no did y'all you?
Speaker 3:you brought a future. Where does the first joint? We don't trust you. How high does that go? Can't trust? Or do you think His mixtape was better than that? Because to me I think, hold on the we don't trust you is better.
Speaker 1:Where are we at on our number seven? Do we have our number seven?
Speaker 3:We haven't decided on number seven. I'm just spitballing right now. We need to decide on our number seven. Do we have our number seven? We haven't decided on number seven.
Speaker 1:I'm just spitballing right now. We need to decide on our number seven, because I do have. I Am God's more swayed at number four. Where do you have it, ag?
Speaker 3:I had it at within the possibles for number ten or number nine is where I had it.
Speaker 1:You got. I Am God in here anyway, I had it around my 12 mark. Okay.
Speaker 2:I got him at 4.
Speaker 1:You got him at 12. You got him at 10. That would put him in some sort of consideration. Y'all gonna have to give me somebody over. I Am God, so I have. I'll tell you the rest of my 10. I had Blue Lips at 8. I'll tell you my top 10, my 10. I had blue lips at eight. I'll tell you my top 10. I had you Only Die Once by Freddie. Please Don't Cry Rhapsody. Paisley Dreams, more Suede the Force, gnx, alligator Bites, never Heal Blue Lips, one of One. We Don't Trust you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm thinking we either go like, from from here on down, the only ones that I have left in the top 10 that haven't been named yet are, you know, common pete sky, zoo's joint, uh, future metro. We don't trust you blacks. And with Big Hit, hit Boy and Alchemist, I got, I Am God, blood Stain, suede, the More Suede. And then I got Blue Lips.
Speaker 1:Blacks and Whites is my 11th.
Speaker 3:Didn't make your top 10?.
Speaker 1:It's 11th. I had to pick between Blacks and Whites and we Don't Trust you and I chose. We Don't Trust you about the bigger moments, but the production is comparable. But Future does sound fresh and reinvigorated on that album. It is the start of a run of a great year for him, where he should be in contention for Artist of the Year.
Speaker 3:Did you have his mixtape in the top ten?
Speaker 1:I did not.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I say we either go with Blue Lips or I Am God at number seven.
Speaker 1:Sean, where'd you have Blue Lips? I have.
Speaker 2:Blue Lips on or Future Metro. I have Future Metro in my top ten. I kept moving it up and down based on what was coming out. Same thing with Blue Lips. I had Blue Lips at number eight at one point.
Speaker 3:Future Metro. At our midway through the year list was at number six, that sounds about right. Let me see where Blue Lips was.
Speaker 1:Blue Lips was higher.
Speaker 3:Blue Lips was number four at our midway point. I say, maybe go Blue Lips was number four at our midway point. So I say, maybe go Blue Lips and Future Metro. And then I am God.
Speaker 2:I can live with that for right now. Yeah, once we take a look at it, we have to.
Speaker 1:So we're putting Metro and the Future over the school boy? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3:No, I said school boy at number seven.
Speaker 1:School boy at seven? Yeah, and then Metro in the future.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:And then I Am God, will be nine Yep.
Speaker 3:And then we can squabble up over ten.
Speaker 1:Squabble up.
Speaker 2:Where did I have mock?
Speaker 1:homie. We had that. I was on the mock. I didn't know how y'all felt about the mock.
Speaker 3:You took me on the mock it would make my top 10, but at our mid year review it was number 8 it was pretty tough, man, it was tough this is I wouldn't put it over the comment Pete, though, or the Sky.
Speaker 1:Zoo, let me throw something at y'all. The Dog Pound album we all we got was really really dope y'all we had that at number 9 at our mid year review.
Speaker 3:And then you said one of one Coop. We had that in our top 5 early on at our mid year review. We had that at the number five spot.
Speaker 1:I don't love how it held up, but I do like the highs of the highs of that album. I do think the future album proved to be the better album over the course of time in terms of reprint.
Speaker 3:I didn't go back to it a whole lot.
Speaker 1:Goodbye for the moment. Goodbye for the moment.
Speaker 3:So my buy-ins for that Tim spot is either going to be Common Pete Sky Zoo or Blacks and Whites with Big Hit and Hit Boy and Alchemist. Those are my three.
Speaker 1:I got Blacks. Okay, so I'll tell you what. Here's my 11 through 15. I got Blacks and Whites at 11. I got Summertime Butch at 12. I got the Auditorium at 13. I got we All. We Got by the Dog Pound at 14. I got Rich Ass Haitian by Ma Kami at 15. That's my 11 through 15.
Speaker 3:No, no, might delete later love, that's number 16. This is man Might delete later.
Speaker 2:love, that's number 16. This is man. What do you what?
Speaker 3:do you what? Do you excuse me? So we we talked about. We talked about, uh, the anniversary joint being taken off of you only die once, but you still include it as part of the album, so might delete later as a project. The diss song 7 Minute Drill has been taken off, has been deleted, but I actually think the project is better without that on there. But we have that. You know the Dreamville, you know concert associated with it.
Speaker 1:So I don't think it helps or hurts the project. It's still. It's still too damn low If it's the only project that he's releasing this year, cause I have some questions. Well, I mean, think about it like this, Think about this Even for people that this is why I'd be like, oh, I'm hating on Kendrick.
Speaker 3:It's like on my list I have GNX tied at five but I have myX tied at 5, but I have my delete later at 16. Does it sound like I'm hating? I mean, you hate no matter what Coop.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know what to tell you. First of all, why don't you black him out when he says shit like this?
Speaker 3:No, because he wants it to be put on full display. He wants it to be put on full display. That's what Sean wants Exactly who's our number 10?
Speaker 1:Give me y'all's 11 through 15.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just named about four or five modules that I want for 10. Sean what you got.
Speaker 1:I'm with you on Blacks and Whites. I'm not with you on the Auditorium. I'm not putting that album in the top 10.
Speaker 3:How did you feel about the Sky Zoo? Though, no didn, I'm not putting that album in the top 10.
Speaker 1:How did you feel about the Sky Zoo, though?
Speaker 2:No, didn't make my top 20. It was in my top 20.
Speaker 1:How about this? I had to pick between Master Aces, richmond Hill and Sky Zoos, and I picked Master Aces. Okay.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing I don't know, fellas, we may have to reevaluate this, because it's too much, it's a, it's a log jam.
Speaker 3:We got too much of a log jam and this is exactly what I mean about how 11 through 20 was going to be right and I think it's a bunch of shit together.
Speaker 2:I think we're starting to see 1 through 10 play out the same way because I think blacks and whites is the one.
Speaker 1:Hold on, where do you have blacks and whites AG?
Speaker 3:let's see, I had it at uh 11 yeah.
Speaker 1:I have it at 11 too, sean. Where do you have it?
Speaker 2:see, I had it at 12 but I had a higher in the very beginning.
Speaker 3:I had it back some white but that's not at like eight, I think, in the beginning but that's not, like you know, I'm saying a far fetched if we had it around 11, 12 spot, to put it in 10, because only reason why I got it at 11 is because I had tom and pete rod and then sky zoo ahead of it and y'all had those albums both real low. So outside of outside of um those two albums, I don't have any other albums above Black and Whites on my list.
Speaker 1:Me neither. So it sounds like Black and Whites is the one that. Because I have one of one, because, hold on, how about this? Here are my albums. All my albums are in the top 10, except for one of one. Forgot about one of one. I take Blacks and.
Speaker 3:Whites over one of one. Hmm, forgot about 101, so I take blacks and whites over 101.
Speaker 1:I might take blacks and whites over at the time, no, but but replay value. Now I might take blacks and whites over 101 too that's the only one that I have that's not in my top 10. That didn't make it.
Speaker 3:Well, it's funny you say that because at our our mid uh, mid mid-year report, we had had one of one at number five and blacks and whites at number six.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're being consistent.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So has it flipped, or is it still one of one?
Speaker 3:My vote is for blacks and whites. Sean, what's your vote? I'll go with whatever y'all say it should have stopped.
Speaker 2:My vote is for blacks and whites.
Speaker 3:Sean what's your vote.
Speaker 1:My vote is I can't talk.
Speaker 2:I'll go with whatever y'all say. It's just a time period, man. That's that diplomacy I be talking about. Because here's the thing, fellas, everyone does a top 10, top 20 list right. We may need to change the course of things and do it a different way, because there's too many logjams how you got like four or five albums that can really fight each other for number one through number five easily. We may need to do a tearing system that changes the whole dynamic of what we're talking about. It's too much of a log jam because what, what?
Speaker 1:what? What john? When I was doing my list and I was doing my top 20, I actually did something, I don't know why. I was thinking about college basketball season and I was like, well, I want to see how many teams and that's how I looked at it. I looked at these albums like teams. I was like I want to know how many teams from each region made the tournament this year, and so I kind of set it up like a bracket. So in my top 20 list five and a half of the albums came from the East Coast. The half is the Pete Rock. For the Pete Rock and Common, I gave it a half East Coast, half Midwest, because Common's from Chi-Town, pete Rock's from Mount Vernon. I like that. Okay. The West Coast got six albums. The South got five albums. Now the Midwest got three and a half albums. But the Midwest was the only region that had two of my top five albums, because I had Freddie and I Am God in my top five. They were my one and my number four.
Speaker 3:But I like that you did that Coop because that just shows that, even though everything is kind of clumped together, it was a very balanced year.
Speaker 1:And that's what I was actually thinking, is that that you did that Coop, because that just shows that, even though everything is kind of clumped together, it was a very balanced year, and that's what I was actually thinking is that when you said that, sean, it made me think we might need to just start bracketing it off by region and letting people vote and decide, because it is so tight these days, like a year like this makes me think, like and I've run it down the albums between 15 to 40 we could argue about for the next 30 days 15 to 40 we could argue about.
Speaker 1:We could argue about 15 to 40 for the next 30, 40 days. We really really could. And so and so when I did it and I and I kind of bracketed mine off by region, like that, like you would like a tournament bracket, like you know what I mean, like Duke and North Carolina usually get a number one seed in the south or the east, depending on how well Kentucky or Villanova does for the year and stuff. So what do you think about bracketing it off by seed? Because if we were to bracket it off by seed, it's like, well, the Midwest would have the number one overall seed with Freddie Gibbs, which you only only die once. You know what I'm saying. So Freddie would have the you know the lowest competitor from. You know what I'm saying. And we just start, you know, breaking it down and we and we pick the albums. Like that way, what do you think about? Like a little bracketology?
Speaker 2:I like that. I like that better than this. This traditional way like that, better than this traditional way of doing it, this traditional way of doing it. We're not going to get nowhere, honestly, because we're going in circles. Our list will change by tomorrow. If we do a top 10 tonight, it'll change by tomorrow by looking at it.
Speaker 1:All right, well, let's, how about this? Let's come up with like our own little tournament bracket.
Speaker 3:It's probably 15 will be the way to go.
Speaker 1:Huh, 16 will probably be the way to go. I was actually thinking, aj, I could, I could do 48 albums this year. That's what I mean about actually doing like actual bracket, like I thought you were talking about.
Speaker 3:if you're doing the best of the regions or whatever, like four from each region, I'm sorry, like if you do, you do like a sweet 16, you know what I'm saying. Four from each region and then bracket that out. We'll see what meets in the middle for the best album. You know what I'm saying? Rank them joints by seating.
Speaker 1:We can see it was a pretty deep year. I can give you about 32 to 48 projects.
Speaker 3:Yeah, four, four East, a pretty deep year I can give you about 32 to 48 projects Four East Coast, four West Coast, four Midwest and four down South. That way you don't got to get too deep, Just pick the best of the best Top four scenes.
Speaker 1:That's cool. We can do some refining and talking about it behind the scenes a little bit. That sounds like a plan. Are we cool with this list? Is Blacks and Whites going to be our 10 for now?
Speaker 3:It's a working list, but yeah, that's looking like what we're going with for number 10 for now.
Speaker 1:I like that. Let me go through some super chats right quick. Get caught up. My mere thoughts with the 199. Y'all forced me to delete Cordae from my playlist. No, corday is cool. We like corday. We just don't love corday. Let's give an explanation why it's a like and not a love. That's the thumb up instead of a heart. You know what I mean, jermaine johnson. What up 999 super chat. Appreciate you, brother. Common and pete, rock ll and q-tip snoop and dray killer mike. Let's take a moment to appreciate the quality projects that our legends are giving us and the new normal of 50 year old mc still rapping at a high level. You know what we're gonna. We're gonna keep the glass half full and respect that.
Speaker 1:Jermaine johnson, you're right, the legends are still putting in quality work at an advanced age and stage when we used to think rappers careers were done at 25, when we were kids. Jermaine johnson one more time with the 199 super chat. Naz kind of started this wave with his hit boy run. We're aware, sir. Thank you for reminding we got any more. We got a few more Super Chats. Ill Magic with the $9.99 Super Chat. I mixed up my list including late release albums from late last year with this year, making the list more surprising and interesting. Fascinating. Mad Max max no list valid if you don't got out a golem one. I don't know about that. Mad max, mad max, one of one is better than blacks and whites. Stop it. I mean, see, I might be southern bias, so I might prefer to hear one on one, like me personally it's close, it's like, either way you go.
Speaker 1:That's one of those things that's either or it's like. I don't really like care either way at the end of the day, because both projects are like super high quality. All right, that's it for the Super Chats. We're all caught up. So, ag, so you're thinking, do a 4-4. What do you think about an 8-8-8? That's what I mean about doing the 32.
Speaker 3:I think it would be easier to do four from each region, because if you do eight, you know for each region you got to really like get in your bag as far as like filling out the eight, like, say, if you it might be a struggle to pull eight Midwest joints. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:See, that's what I mean. A year like this, I don't think it's as big of a struggle as you think, because you got somebody like Event Staples hanging out there, whose dark times we didn't discuss much. We have a Larry June album. We didn't talk about much, you know what I mean. You got that Dog Pound album, you got the Q, you got the Kendrick. Yeah there's joints out there.
Speaker 3:And Lupe would be another Midwest joint Lupe yeah that's what I'm saying, and Bodhi. Bodhi would be one.
Speaker 1:Bodhi got two. The Bricktionary just came out. Bricktionary was up there, yeah, so there's stuff to choose from. The I Am God joint I Am God's first joint came out earlier.
Speaker 3:I mean you might have to grab the Big Sean album to make eight for the Midwest.
Speaker 1:No, I can grab both Boldy projects, both I Am God projects.
Speaker 3:Eminem's still in my top 20.
Speaker 1:The Eminem project.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's plenty Midwest to do eight this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we Midwest to do eight. This year we could do eight.
Speaker 1:It'll be fun.
Speaker 3:The seedings will be the hardest part, though.
Speaker 1:Let's do a little bracketology. I'll try to come up with a tentative seed and then I'll slide it across your desk, ag, and you can tell me what you think.
Speaker 3:No doubt, no doubt, we'll do that. Y'all seeing us cook in real time.
Speaker 1:I like that a lot. I like that a lot. I like that a lot. So, fellas, where we want to go next. We want to cover these DMX anniversaries now. We kind of cool with our top 10 tentatively for now. Yep Anniversaries, a little press play. We didn't have any Discord dialogues this week, did we no?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Good. Last one was DJ Clue. I was like oh, we slacking we're following up.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Clue man. Okay, I want to show love to the DJs man.
Speaker 1:You know what One of my, my brother, used to rap too? My favorite bar of his, where he was like I'm gonna start pimping hoes, put them on ebay, fuck everybody, but the dj.
Speaker 2:That was my favorite shit my brother ever said that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Dj show, dj love man, fuck everybody but the dj. He did show the dj love. I was like that is great, dj love. I said the dj is one because it was my record that he said it when I was like the DJ's going to want to spill it when he hears this shit. I'm definitely not talking that way about the DJ Doing that shit.
Speaker 3:Some of my favorite rap moments ever came from Clue, and you know what I'm saying and that sparked something. We was talking about Discord, dialogues behind the scenes, me and Sean, and going into the new year, even though we didn't do one for this week, we might revamp it to have a little bit more flavor and a little bit more variety. Instead of artists or producers or what have you, we might do Give it out. Oh, okay, I thought we was announcing it. Okay, we'll save it, then We'll save it.
Speaker 2:Watch out, don't be surprised. Somebody put the bracket joint on Twitter by tomorrow. Watch out, don't be surprised. Somebody put the bracket joint on Twitter by tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true too People be stealing shit.
Speaker 2:Stealing shit man.
Speaker 1:I'm so used to people biting my style I do not know what to do anymore. I know that this 10-year Cabernet is not leathery anymore. It is open, it's full body, it's robust, now Very lush.
Speaker 2:Limousine liquor man. What are you talking about, man?
Speaker 1:Look here, this little 10-year-old Cabernet, this little 2014 Cabernet from North Napa Valley I know some people run a little B&B up there. Small allocation, small allocation, a little something personal for Coops in Merry Christmas. Appreciate y'all, love y'all. This is Cabernet, sir, although I do have Something personal for Coop's in Merry.
Speaker 2:Christmas, appreciate y'all, love y'all Coop Jake is Zippendale.
Speaker 1:This is Cabernet, sir, although I do have a nice Martinelli Zippendale. In the cooler, though there is a nice Martinelli Zippendale. Yes, there is Not my style. Zippendale is for company. You know what I'm saying. It's not for me. The company is nasty, that's nasty. Watch your tone. Not all company is like your company. We know what type of company you like to keep. All right, honey pat.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm just sitting here laughing, man. What did I do? Let's say nothing, All right. Moving on Anniversaries man Music anniversary.
Speaker 1:Lake County, lake County to be exact. Look it up, all right, anyway. So on December 21st 1999, we have Flesh of my Flesh, blood of my Blood by DMX, I'm sorry, 1998's Flesh of my Flesh, blood of my Blood, yeah. And December 22nd 1999, we have. And then there was X. So you know, starting to notice this trend where our biggest artists tend to be dropping in December, you start seeing how important DMX was to Def Jam with these albums. It's like no, you were going to drop right before Christmas and take everybody's last dollar. Everybody's last dollar belongs to Def Jam, courtesy of DMX. What are your thoughts about Flushing my Flesh?
Speaker 3:Did they put an extra clause or some bonus in his contract if he could release again before the year was out?
Speaker 1:I believe they did give him an extra million dollars or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they said if you can do it, and he was like, yeah, I could do it, do it. And he locked in with swiss and got it done. Um, I think the conversation is because everybody knows as dark as hell, as hot as his, you know magnum opus, um, and then there was x, is his biggest selling album, did five times platinum, if I'm not mistaken. But um, I think the conversation is for what is his second best album. And then there was X, or flesh of my flesh. I think that's where the conversation lies.
Speaker 1:See, for me it's not a conversation Flesh of my flesh is clearly a second best album, like I don't think. And then there was X. For me, I think, because it's his biggest selling record, because it has some of his bigger crossover hits, like Party Up what these Bitches Want is on there. Those records are pretty big. I love what's my Name. What's my Name is one of my top five DMX records for me personally. And Then there Was X is pretty epic.
Speaker 3:Party.
Speaker 1:Up is on Then.
Speaker 3:There is on on. Then there was x that's what I said oh okay, I thought you said it was on flesh, my flesh, my fault, no no, for me, flesh and my flesh is still like, how about this?
Speaker 1:you can tell that he's got money, but it's not enough to take the hood out of him yet, like, and then there was x as a more polished version of dmx. It is, it is no the, the guy that's still hungry, like some of the. The hunger is still evident, like on flesh and my flesh. In terms of like, there's something about his voice on those first two albums that is so. It's so brutal and so honest and so vicious in a good way for an artist and he was never able to recapture that because it's one of those things that's so hard to recapture. But he's still that on flesh of my flesh and that's his, that's his pulling point, because he can say things that another rapper can say and it doesn't sound as impactful as in when he says it.
Speaker 3:You know, for me, I think that overall and then there was X is a better album than Flesh of my Flesh, because going back and listen to it, that Casio keyboard sounding production doesn't hold, you know, doesn't have the same power with me in 2024. But if I'm listening to that album, my favorite three songs off both albums are on Flesh of my Flesh, which would be Blackout. We Don't Give a F and then Slippin'. But outside of that I think it goes to Flesh of my Flesh. I mean, I'm sorry, I think it goes to. Then there Was X.
Speaker 1:See, that's the thing. How about this? And Then there Was X. Might be a better production job, but Flesh of my Flesh has Slippin' the Omen Blackout. Ain't no Way when I'm From. Keep your Shit Hardest, I don't know. Those six records alone are better than everything on. And Then there Was X to me, the Omen Going Into Slippin', Going Into Ain't Got no Love, which I think goes in the blackout.
Speaker 1:I mean it yeah yeah, it's a tough run that's just like that run is is is just as good as any run on this. Dark and hell is hot, damn near like it's. It's pretty tough the the the tough part about it is Swiss's production, but there is some dope Swiss stuff on there Like I don't, like I like ain't no way that boom boom, boom, boom, boom boom. Like it sounds dope Like X has found a way to freak it Like where, where it sounds nice, and he's, he's still in in the in that, uh, it's dark and hell is hot zone for the most part, I and he's still in that it's Dark and Hell is Hot zone for the most part, I think it's his second best album.
Speaker 2:I think the tone on Flesh in my Flesh felt so different than the first album, because these albums are only a few months apart but they feel like they're worlds apart. They feel like they are a couple of years apart, which is really interesting, because he still had that bite in him, no pun intended, he was still doing what X do, but it was just different. It just felt different. I don't know why. To me it felt different when I went to boot camp in 98, I just heard it's dark and hell is hot. When I was in boot camp.
Speaker 2:This is when Flesh on Flesh came out. So I didn't hear it until January. And when I heard it in January it was like my goodness, you did it again, but at a different clip. And I'm not saying that because it's better than the first album. But I felt like man, it sounds so different, sounds fresher than the first album. The first album probably was conceptualized in 97, maybe it came out in 98. This one sounds like it was made in the back half of 98 with Swizz, and I think this is where Swizz probably hit his zenith as a producer, because I don't think Swizz produced anything as great as this album in totality after that.
Speaker 3:No, I agree. I like his work on we Are the Streets, but it wasn't as good as on this.
Speaker 1:It wasn't as good as on this one. No, it's not as good as this. His EP, the Joint that has Echo and Pistol On my Side. That's his second best production job to me Absolutely.
Speaker 3:He didn't even do Echo. Dj Crash did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he tried to front like he did, yeah, nah, and then it was X to me, was I just? I think that's when X really started getting commercialized.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Polished, that's why.
Speaker 1:I was trying to say it in a nice way, but that's the polished version of X. It's like well, I like that guy. I don't love that guy. The guy on the first film is like no, no, no, I love that guy. It's like that's the guy that I'm riding with.
Speaker 2:I was never a fan of Party Up. I'm be honest with you.
Speaker 3:I don't like Party Up.
Speaker 2:I didn't like it.
Speaker 3:I love what y'all want. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying that's just okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So that's what I mean about the polished version of him.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, no, no, the joint one, and then it was at Steve.
Speaker 1:Oh, thanks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that joint was grimy, I like that.
Speaker 2:We were fighting so much in the closing that someone came out. That was my shit.
Speaker 1:That's one of the best records to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:What's my Name is the name of that joint. I could think of a cool one yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the black, white people, I'll be the best. You see the rest. They looking like they need to rest. One more time I'm going to get you some shit that's going to be splitting Be. Stop talking shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, jay even popped up in the video. That's why Jay had to make a cameo in the video.
Speaker 2:He popped in for that one Ghost and Kappa was in the video. Yep, sure was Ghost had a goal ball.
Speaker 1:Okay, you got one more time with this Kappa shit. What he was in the video. He was in the video, I know, I know.
Speaker 3:You too, somebody can't even be in, I know, I know, somebody can't even be in the video.
Speaker 1:You're just trying to sneak the pillage in whenever you want you be pillaging, the pillage in the show.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:You pillaging the pillage into the show.
Speaker 2:You got to get the hot artists in your video.
Speaker 1:That was the first I got you, man.
Speaker 2:I got you in that other stuff, your video. That was the first. That was the least single man. Just send me my Wu-Tang mug. I got you, man. I got you and that other stuff.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying and shout out to my fiance man this is the dope Christmas joint. You know what I'm saying? She got my prayer on lock. Yes, sir, you got my joint right here, you know, but I'm joking, mine is signed by Killasen.
Speaker 1:Those things are not worth any money. Why would you devalue those like that? They were collector's items, so you did that. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:But no man. That was the first single I think off of, and Then there Was X right, yes, and it was a huge first single, it I think off of. And Then there Was X right, yes, and it was a huge first single.
Speaker 1:It was a huge first single, and that was a really B-style single at that. Well, here's the thing about it. It is super rare that somebody comes out and does four million records sold first of all yeah In the 90s and then the same year.
Speaker 2:With that music, with that kind of music.
Speaker 1:Goes and sells another three, pretty much damn near four. So he pretty much just goes four, four and then five.
Speaker 3:Crazy. I don't think anybody's had a three album run like that out the gate.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:No one Maybe Eminem.
Speaker 1:M is different though M is different. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3:X and 50.
Speaker 1:Yeah 50,.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's X and 50. Yeah, and then M and M, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because 50 shit goes. 50 went diamond, I believe, with Get Rich right, or did it get close to diamond? It was like eight or nine, it went over crazy yeah.
Speaker 3:You there, cool, we're having technical difficulty.
Speaker 2:You're on mute we can't hear you all right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have to tap out and come back in, but yeah x had a hell of a run coming out the gate.
Speaker 2:But he did. He did because I think they carry your, I think, the only difference between Flesh of my Flesh and then it was X. I just didn't like Party Up, I just didn't like it. I thought it was just I couldn't get into it. It served its purpose, though it did.
Speaker 3:Party Up is why, specifically, this is how I sell an album.
Speaker 2:I don't know AG, because I think having Cisco on what these ones, what these?
Speaker 1:I think that was I come back in and you're talking about Cisco.
Speaker 2:You kind of got to, don't forget.
Speaker 3:That single was heavy.
Speaker 2:Cisco was heavy that year too, Don't forget.
Speaker 3:You know Gloria Velez riding on the car. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You can't look, you can't.
Speaker 1:Now what I'd like to talk about Is Gloria Velez riding on the car. You can skip the Cisco talk, Skip to that part, not the Cisco Shout out to Gloria Velez.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the youngins in the chat Wasn't around during that era, but use your Google.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Melissa Ford too.
Speaker 3:She was in there too. I don't care what these fucking rappers say about you.
Speaker 1:but use your Googles, shout out to Melissa Ford too. She was in there too. I don't care what these fucking rappers say about you.
Speaker 2:And they were all on Cisco. Cisco was doing backflips and frontflips.
Speaker 1:I don't care if they was on Cisco, Mad Dog 2020, St Ives. I don't care what they was on.
Speaker 2:Cisco was on one of them, yo, so you can't mention that without the Cisco stimulus package too.
Speaker 3:That sounded wild, that sounded crazy. That single was huge. That's one of them ones.
Speaker 2:It was huge. We got you're going crazy Pause.
Speaker 1:We got super, we got. No, you're going crazy Pause. We got super chats. How y'all feel about Ab Soul album from Ill Magic $199. Super chat how you feel about Ab Soul it didn't make my top 20.
Speaker 2:Top 20, but it was a dope album. It wasn't going crazy over.
Speaker 3:I don't feel I remember I listened to that on the way to North Carolina when we was, like you know, pulling up to meet, and I was just iffy on it. It was OK, I like Herbert better.
Speaker 1:OK, that album ain't no good. Next, ok, all right, mad Max, with the $9.99 Super Chat. Ready to meet him? X, best song. And then there was X better song. Start to finish Well, ready to meet him is hard. Once again, I know that I'm right, because Mad Max is giving me evidence that he doesn't know shit. Once again, it's still flesh in my flesh. This is the proof, because Mad Max thinks it. And then there was X is better. Ready to meet him is dope.
Speaker 3:Super dope.
Speaker 1:I forgot slipping, laughed my ass off, damn. My parents played that joint to keep me calm whenever I was getting wild, so they played it every day, 24-7. Who said that, mad Max?
Speaker 2:Mad Max is on.
Speaker 1:Ritalin? Yeah, definitely. You can tell Mad Max bipolar A little touch of schizophrenia.
Speaker 3:Yo man, that's crazy. Back to what they want, Hold on.
Speaker 1:I'm not done with the super chat. He was tired of pulling the switch on me. Laugh emoji. Okay, Coop, you might have a point. First of all, I have points all the time. You've gotten better from the last four years from my points Talking about I might have a point.
Speaker 2:What is that, Max?
Speaker 1:Getting a beat while playing Slippin' is crazy, that's very dusty Getting a beat with a switch while Slippin' is playing.
Speaker 3:That ain't so crazy. I don't even want to say what was on the soundtrack to me getting my butt beat, man. It's all kind of stuff that was playing in the background.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure it was slipping, getting the beat, and slipping is crazy though, like getting the switch while slipping is playing in the background.
Speaker 1:Yo. Then there was the drama with my mama while you were getting your ass beat. Does it make you feel some type of way, while you were getting your ass beat and the drama with your mama bar comes on? Does it make you feel some type of way while you were getting your ass beat and the drama with your mama bar comes on? Does it make you feel some type of way? Do? You need to talk to a therapist Hip-hop talks cares no, not for that Get the.
Speaker 1:I like how Sean is consistently an asshole. I offered Matt Max a beer. Sean, stop that shit. It was like no, not here, not at Hip Hop Talks. Don't do that here at Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 2:Yo, that's Matt Max man. That's wild Slippin' to beat him. I'm gonna put a slip in on real quick. It's gonna get that switch while we at it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so how about this? If we're rating Flesh to my Flesh and then there was X today, what are you rating them?
Speaker 3:Shit Four and a half at least on both.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man, I think it's a four and a half and then a four. So I feel like I feel like my problem with X if I'm going to have a problem is is that, although the first three albums are great, I would go five, four and a half probably four.
Speaker 3:Oh, that was my thought. While he's reading the super chats, the uh, what they want, like the Cisco joint. That was probably one of the most iconic moments in hip hop. When he's naming all the chicks, that was something that lived forever in time, Like you know what I'm saying. When he's naming all the chicks in the verse of the song, that was a big moment.
Speaker 1:I mean not me, I'm crazy. So I snatched a couple of girls up.
Speaker 2:It's like you've been fucking with X-Nic, that's your insecurities when you're getting the best of you.
Speaker 1:That and get the best of you. That was crazy. You know what I'm saying. That's Greensboro Coop. You know what I'm saying. I snatched him up, Fuck bitch. What have you?
Speaker 3:been doing bitch. They're going to have money.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, have money, there you go, have money, it's gone right there. Just like to let you know. Hold on, ask Andrew. If Andrew can you get to it before they get to it.
Speaker 2:Wow, that is crazy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, what was crazy was me in Greensboro, because I really did check a chick one night. I was like yo, I was like I know, you know this, nigga X.
Speaker 3:X did his thing. Man X got a rap.
Speaker 2:That's at Cisco, man.
Speaker 1:They ran wild in there, man Cisco shit.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Cisco man Yo, cisco was going crazy man. That album was phenomenal. That was not phenomenal what Cisco's first album?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Cisco's first album was dope Coop, Don't do that. And the Drew. Hill choice was dope.
Speaker 2:That Cisco album had no misses.
Speaker 1:No misses, he's alright, but Cool that.
Speaker 2:Cisco album had no misses. No misses, he's all right. Cool Now. Cisco Almond had no misses.
Speaker 3:I think it's just because of Cisco. Cisco had that joint where, like you know who he was, you didn't give his music the credit. I love Drew Hill.
Speaker 2:I love Drew Hill, but that's the group. How can you not?
Speaker 1:Honestly, how can you not Banger Enter the Drew? Oh, I'd like to thank Enter the Drew for my freshman year.
Speaker 3:Why can't you give Cisco credit? Sean is giving Cisco credit, and then Sean, you know, and Cisco.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry You're asking me no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. I just want to get this straight. You're asking me why Sean Honeypack, sean, is complimenting a man.
Speaker 2:A legendary Sean. That's a weird love, Honeypack.
Speaker 1:Honeypack, honeypack, honeypack is still early 2024. It's still 2024, nigga, you got six days.
Speaker 3:We're supposed to be talking about 1998-1999. I don't think those were the same so Cisco's most famous song?
Speaker 1:this is terrible. Cisco's most famous song is the thong song, and you're wondering why Honeypack Sean over there is cosigning what I didn't think that Sean's twitter handle should be hashtag nasty work. Co-signing what? That's my favorite song. I didn't think that song was going to be. Charles' Twitter handle should be hashtag nasty work, like, okay, like, of course, mike should go.
Speaker 2:AJ's just sitting here too, man, he's just sitting there.
Speaker 3:Yo man, can we go? Can we go to the next anniversary? We got volume three, man, let's keep it rolling. Aj, the next anniversary we got volume three.
Speaker 2:Man, let's keep it rolling. You just sit here. Last note on Anthony it was X. The last song was on why Do Good Girls Like Bad Guys or something like that? I hated that song. That song to me does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was his worst, One of his worst songs ever.
Speaker 2:Why do good girls like bad guys?
Speaker 1:Okay, december 31st 1999, jay-z released volume three, life and Times of Sean Carter. I personally remember this album because I was actually working at a record store and got an advance copy, and on that advance copy there was this song called well, there are actually two songs on there. There was one song called Anything that I thought might have been arguably the best record on there, and then there was another song called is that your bitch? They didn't have any memphis bleak on there, just had missy on the hook and three jay-z verses, and I actually thought for a brief period of time, until I got the copy that was released, that it was actually better than volume two. What are your thoughts about Volume 3, guys, because those are mine.
Speaker 3:They actually got that version of Is that your Chicken on streaming now, the original one that leaked out on the bootleg.
Speaker 1:They have it on streaming on his album. Now, for me that's the record that really started the beat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he tried to give Bleak the alley-oop on that one and give it to his album, but it still didn't work out on that one and give it to his album but it still didn't work out.
Speaker 1:Original but the original version leaking out, yeah, and I do feel like that some of the album leaking out, like the person who leaked it was doing it to be petty and be intentional, knowing that that record leaking out was going to, you know, stir some pots.
Speaker 3:That's a good point. Um, anything I wasn't a huge fan of because I could tell that was a blatant attempt to recapture Hard Knock Life with the Annie Volume 3, I mean, the stuff he's saying on the record is cool, but it was just a blatant attempt. How many Broadway plays you want to try to sample that's?
Speaker 1:wrong nigga, we're taking all the. Diana Rosses and Annie shit this year Nah.
Speaker 3:But nah, volume 3 is real polarizing for me because he does have a lot of great stuff on there, but I think it's one of his worst albums. If you're talking about from top to bottom, I think it's in his bottom five. I think it's in his bottom five but it is great stuff. So Ghetto, come Get Me, and YMP, bottom five. It's hot. It's joints on there. But I mean to me, if you want to talk about Braveheart Party, we're hitting the album down. Pop for Rock, the joint with Mariah, the things that you do Terrible. The S Carter withS Dot Carter with a meal Terrible. But, like I said, it does have shining moments. Do it again is one of my favorite J verses of all time.
Speaker 1:Pretty up there, but.
Speaker 3:I still think it's in his bottom five album.
Speaker 1:Bottom five. First of all, when you say bottom five, first of all when you say bottom five 444.
Speaker 3:I don't have 444 in this bottom five. I think 444 is better than this, no absolutely not so.
Speaker 1:First of all, whatever weed they have in West Virginia. Send it to me. I'm off probation. Send it to me now. Send it to me. I'm off probation. Send it to me now. Send it to me now Because you've been smoking some of the best shit. You've been smoking some of the best shit. I went to college in Greensboro with a white girl named Kim from West Virginia. She used to bring me the best weed. You've been smoking the best shit I might know, kim but I don't even smoke.
Speaker 1:You obviously were smoking before the show when you said that 444, Kingdom Come.
Speaker 3:I think Kingdom Come is comparable.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 3:I think Kingdom Come, Volume 3, and Blueprint 2 are in the same wheelhouse.
Speaker 1:AG. How can you say that when this album has Do it Again and so Ghetto at the top of it, I get it, but the lows are low low. Snoopy track the lows are super low. The highs are stupid high. The highs are stupid high.
Speaker 3:Hey, if you can hate on I Am, then I can sure as hell hate on Volume 3.
Speaker 1:Volume 3 and I Am are very comparable, but I don't hate on I Am. Then I can sure as hell hate on Volume 3. Volume 3 and I Am are very comparable, but I don't hate on. I Am. I hate on Nostradamus.
Speaker 3:Hell, no, and what planet is. Volume 3?.
Speaker 1:Nostradamus deserves to be hated on.
Speaker 3:I will smoke you in a person's way. I Am up against Volume 3, Coop. We can take that to station head.
Speaker 1:No, you won't.
Speaker 3:I will smoke you.
Speaker 1:You're only going to win three records.
Speaker 3:Shit Okay.
Speaker 1:How about this? The highs on Volume 3 are actually more consistent than the highs on I Am. The highs on I Am are higher, but they don't last as long, I don't know. After you win. New York State of Mind and Nas is like you're in a whole lot of trouble.
Speaker 3:Volume 3 ain't got an undying love, it ain't got a small world, it ain't got a favor for a favor I'm sorry, undying love ain't like that, nigga I play.
Speaker 1:Come and get me and undying love off the floor. I remove your roof, nigga. Let the sun slide in. No, undying love is not better than Snoopy track we have to take that to station.
Speaker 3:Here we got a pencil, that one in that is wild.
Speaker 1:I'm a Nas fan, but that is wild if you think you are not a Nas fan.
Speaker 3:You got your Nas fan carver vote. I don't know not on no planet. I'm a smoke you. I am versus volume 3, then I'm a Carla Blow, smoke him. Jadakiss versus DZ.
Speaker 1:See, you think you sound like a fan and you don't understand. You sound like a stan who does not know how to punish.
Speaker 3:I am is like that.
Speaker 1:I am is like that. I am is not like that. I am is like that I have never been like that Play that we Will Survive bullshit over I Am is more comparable to Volume 2 than it is to Volume 3.
Speaker 3:It'll smoke, volume 3. Volume 2 is a better matchup for I Am.
Speaker 1:I will beat you. I won't smoke you because I respect I Am, but I'll beat you with Volume 3 pretty handily.
Speaker 3:Let's set it up.
Speaker 1:I Am ain't like that you can hate me now, but I won't stop now. Uh-uh, that shit is not about to play.
Speaker 3:Let's set it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can set that up. I don't believe you got me doing this. Yeah, I'll take volume three over. I Am.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:You don't have enough records. You want to play Dr Knockboot up in this bitch Dr.
Speaker 3:Knockboot better than Pop for Rock.
Speaker 2:It's better than, but it's not better than Big Pimpin', but it's not better than Big Pimpin'.
Speaker 1:But, it's not better than Big Pimpin'.
Speaker 2:It's not better than Big Pimpin'.
Speaker 3:Big Pimpin' is the album saving grace. Big Pimpin' is the album saving grace because, with the low being as low as it is, big Pimpin' is the album saving grace.
Speaker 1:When you just talked about, do it Again is one of your favorite.
Speaker 3:It moved units behind Big Pimpin' because Do it Again wasn't a major single. Do it Again wasn't a hit single. It wasn't. It was one of my favorite Jay-Z verses, but it wasn't a hit like that. Big Pimpin' is what moved units on this album.
Speaker 1:What's the first week sales?
Speaker 3:if that's the case, If you want to do that game, I am sold more first week than volume three.
Speaker 1:You said it wasn't a hit like that. What did volume three do the first week since? Do it again? Wasn't a hit like that.
Speaker 3:It did numbers, but I am did more.
Speaker 1:Uh-uh, uh-uh, I ain't asking in relationship to I am. You said do it again. Wasn't a hit like that? It's not.
Speaker 3:It's a difference between a hit and a hit. Big Pippen is a number one type hit. I don't know if it did go number one, but it's number one type hit. Do it again is not like that.
Speaker 1:Didn't Jay move about 400,000 units the first week?
Speaker 3:Something like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, then do it again as a hit. Okay, I mean.
Speaker 3:I am just had Nas' life and that's not a big hit either, and it did more numbers than Nas' Life is not a hit.
Speaker 1:You and me look at hits differently. I think Nas' Life is a hit.
Speaker 3:That's one of his best songs, but it's not a hit.
Speaker 1:No, it's a pretty big hit.
Speaker 3:It was getting played on BBC. Maybe we're talking about the difference between hit and smash. Like Big Pippin is a smash.
Speaker 1:There we go. Big Pippen is a smash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's outside the region.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I'm saying For our culture. No, nas is like is it a hit? Do it again. Is it a hit? It's like no, that sounds like a hit to me.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying they came out the same year and Nas moved more units first week.
Speaker 2:Do it again. More units first week. Do it again. Do it again. It's a carry. Volume 2 carried over into Volume 3. That's why the numbers look the way it look, because Jay had the formula. He had songs from Volume 2 that were still playing as Volume 3 was rolling out. The carryover from Volume 2 to Volume 3 was a very short one. That's a lot of carryover. Volume 2 was massive, it was massive. Lot of carry over. Volume two was massive, it was massive. So the carry over into volume three made so much sense. Do it again. It was a great Lucy to start the rollout for volume three. It wasn't like a universal smash like that. It was a dope record. We love that record. It was a dope record. It wasn't universal smash.
Speaker 3:But you speak on formula, the formula that he used to Volume 2, he carried over on Volume 3. He used the sample for the Broadway show. The soundtracks records carry Volume 2 a lot the Rush Hour soundtrack joint with Can I Get a? And he had the joint with Jermaine Dupri. You know what I'm saying. The Money in a Thing. Those helped move units. Now you fast forward to Volume 3, he got the Blue Street joint, diamond's Girl Best Friend, that was on there. He also got the Jigga my Nigga joint that was on there which came out on the Rough Riders compilation in the summer, you know of that same year. So he put that on the album that came out six months later. But that joint was ringing off heavy everywhere. You know what I'm saying. So he used the formula to like I'm going to put these and there's nothing wrong with it, but they were already tried and true bangers and hits. You know what I'm saying to help push that out.
Speaker 1:Hold on. I'm going to argue for Jay and say that he put those records at the end of the outro to the album as a bonus track. You didn't know that you were getting those records. He did a fair three mil on that album and it was a fair three mil Like, how about this? I don't think the five mil. I look at the three mil on Volume 3 as a more fair three mil than the five mil on Volume 2, because that is something oh bro.
Speaker 1:You don't think a lot of that. Three mils off the back of big is big pimping. Well, can I finish, please? My thought, yeah, okay, yeah, okay well. So here's the thing he had a lot of guest appearances on volume two that helped propel those cells he had a lot of soundtrack stuff to help propel those cells.
Speaker 1:volume three does not have that type of help. Think about it when your lead single has Beanie Siegel on it, you're actually trying to help out an artist. You're not looking for the help, you have officially become the help. There is something about the sales on Volume 3 that is more organic to me, because he didn't get to Big Pimpin' until single number 3. People forget. He tried to release Dope man as a single and it just didn't take flight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't really remember that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he tried to drop Dope man I remember anything being a single, the first copy that came out had Dope man down next to Big Pimpin' and do it again on the original sticker. So he was trying to push dope man. That's why it's track four.
Speaker 3:That's usually your single track but it wasn't a video for dope man and it wasn't really. It might have been a b-side on the single, but when we was copying maxi singles it wasn't the shit out for dope man. He was trying to push it.
Speaker 1:It was on the. I remember getting a sticker. The only reason I remember is because I remember getting a copy of the album, like, like literally, my manager at the record store giving me a copy, and all I'm saying is that he, more organically, sold that album and I will give him that. And this was Jay.
Speaker 3:But damn, what did the stickers say though? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:We're talking about joints that actually came out, because they sometimes put B-sides on the stickers, though I mean Dope Bank came out it was on the fat tape for the source, so it was getting some sort of run that people was checking for, because I remember being at all it being on fat tape too. But what I am saying is is that he organically pushed this album on some rap shit because he had become the draw. And so what happens with him becoming the draw, instead of doing little guest appearances oh no, these guest appearances are different. It's like he's like he is not doing the high remix for juvenile. He had juvenile doing a hook. It's like, no, I'm not doing a verse for mariah carey, mariah carey singing this fucking hook for me. Now you know what I'm saying like like the shit had changed a little bit. He had went from trying to be the draw to actually being the draw, and there are some ups and downs that come with it, but it's, for the most part, a solid project well, for for your point being organic and selling.
Speaker 3:You know, this is the point where jay said I'm gonna touch all regions, like he was using the big formula. You know I'm saying he he tapped in with dre for watch me. You know I'm saying, like you alluded to, he had juvenile, he had the r&b crowd with mariah. You know what I'm saying. He was touching every base that he could touch and that happened more so on volume 3 than even his bigger record, volume 2. You know what I'm saying. He branched out even more on volume 3 and then the UGK on Big Pimpin. I still think a lot of those records are on the back of Big Pimpin because that was huge in the South this is what I mean about.
Speaker 1:there was something organic about what he was doing that was different. Almost every chick car that I got into in Greensboro was playing that Mariah Carey record, though I hated that fucking.
Speaker 3:No, it wasn't good. The song wasn't good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but every fucking chick in Greensboro when I hopped in her fucking whip they were playing that song Because Mariah was hot and they all loved Mariah and that's all theyiah, that's all they needed. That's all they needed. They just needed Mariah and Jay on a record and they was riding to it. It's the things that you do.
Speaker 2:I was in Japan. We weren't playing in Japan. You was probably drinking sake and polishing your shinobi blade that was the first time I started drinking Belvedere, because we started doing the Dame Dash dance like this with the Belvedere while you was riding the taxi, not the. Dame Dash, it's time to go when you was hopping in the backseat of Shorty's car listening to Mariah Carey first of all.
Speaker 1:first of all, passenger seat Passager seat.
Speaker 2:Look, look, look, look the work going in the backseat, the work going in the backseat.
Speaker 1:I go in the front seat.
Speaker 2:You was in the front seat of a Nissan Altima First of all I have.
Speaker 1:You know that Geo Prism, that Geo Prism took me everywhere I needed to go. Oh man, everywhere shout out to all my chicks shout out to my greensboro chicks in the geoprism uh nissan ultima uh maxima centra let me.
Speaker 3:let me ask you this cool, because I said I had it in my bottom 5j records. It's better than the records that I have with it, like it is better than Kingdom Come, it is better than Blueprint 2 or whatever. But I'm just saying like I do rank 444 higher than this. But if I'm taking Jay-Z's bottom five, it's the best out of the bottom five. But would you put it over Dynasty, because I personally love Dynasty. I think Dynasty is a great record.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's better than the Dynasty. See, I don't think that, yes, it is, because here's the reality of the matter. Gentlemen, the best five records on Volume 3 are better than the best five records on the Dynasty.
Speaker 3:They are.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you still got 11 more records to talk about, though them records ain't like that on the Dynasty fellas.
Speaker 3:We got 11 more records to talk about. Them records ain't like that on the Dynasty fellas.
Speaker 1:We're talking ratios. There's only five. Them records on the Dynasty are not like that.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I personally love the Dynasty, but I would put them right next to each other, but I give the advantage to Volume 3. Like, how about this? There's not a mic performance outside of 1-900-HUSTLE? Like, do it again on the Dynasty.
Speaker 3:Outline Shit the intro.
Speaker 1:What are you doing, Coop? No, do it again. Do it again is two people. It's JM being stunned. You just talking about one verse.
Speaker 3:That one of the verses is one of the greatest verses.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to tell you the truth I don't love that record, like everybody else.
Speaker 3:It's time to go.
Speaker 1:It's time to go. I don't love the Dynasty.
Speaker 3:I can't put volume 3 in my bottom 5, but he don't like the Dynasty intro. It is okay. No, we are not doing that in hip hop talk.
Speaker 1:I said I don't love it the way y'all love it. I didn't say I don't love it. I said I don't love it the way y'all love it.
Speaker 3:So you don't think it's one of the greatest intros of all time?
Speaker 1:I don't, I never did, I never will.
Speaker 3:I don't know what's happening. I don't know, what's happening?
Speaker 1:What's happening is. I just told you how I felt I don't know. I don't feel it when I hear it like that, when people be arguing the Dynasty intro, the Stillmatic intro. I'd be like we having this conversation. But I can see objectively.
Speaker 3:That's a conversation. I might pick Stillmatic, but it's a conversation. B is in the conversation, but it's still a conversation.
Speaker 1:How about this? For me, it's not a conversation.
Speaker 3:That's what I think for either of those.
Speaker 1:You put b over over dynasties as well to be intro that's more comparable to me okay but I still enjoy the b intro more too. But but but how about this? Objectively, I would put put the j intro ahead of it, but I enjoy the b intro more. I would would pick the B intro, but objectively the J intro is better.
Speaker 3:Will you put the Hova song intro over the Dynasty intro?
Speaker 1:I love the Hova song intro.
Speaker 3:So you say it's better.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's better, but I enjoy listening to it more.
Speaker 3:It's good. All the interludes throughout. They're all good. Yeah, I think the Dynastyludes throughout. They're all good, but yeah, I think the Dynasty is its best. It's its greatest intro.
Speaker 1:People say that all the time. I'm just not one of those people that prescribe to that, and every time I tell people that they're like you're fucking crazy. I'm like well, I mean.
Speaker 3:I agree with those people Before I said that Not finding out anything new.
Speaker 2:I still think volume three gets the love because of the carryover volume two. Volume two was so massive and you got some strong singles. You got do it again, which is a b-side single, and you got big pimping, which was the massive single. That's the one that you need. Jay was able to corner the market with all of that. He was able to corner the market see here's.
Speaker 1:Here's where I think puff changed things. I really didn't understand what a b-side single was until puff started, until they played the what at the end of the one more chance remix, and then I realized the what was a record that wasn't supposed to be a single. Like the younger version of me, like in my mind, I was like, oh, that's. When I realized records like the what are the street bangers you remember when they're playing the what, when the windows going up and up and they play the what, that's when I realized I was like, oh, that's the b side, this is the a side.
Speaker 1:Like I knew what it was because you'd heard a side and b side before, but I didn't understand it until that moment and so understand that it's like well, jay was the first dude that I that I think we really saw after that to actively try to make the a side, b side thing work. He really did try to take that formula because I'm gonna be honest with you, like death row was just like we gonna make gangsta shit and everybody gonna buy it. These niggas gonna buy it, these white people gonna buy it, we gonna make this gangsta death row. Formula wasn't like like. It wasn't like that, when you, when you look at it, they wasn't just making records to fit like an a-side or a b-side.
Speaker 1:They were just making the records they want to make like think about all eyes on me. Pock was able to release california love. How do you want it? Um, I ain't mad at you like these. These aren't necessarily your traditional quote-unquote a sides, but they're all. Yeah, you know, like they're not traditional a sides yes, it's hard.
Speaker 3:It's hard to pinpoint where that originated from, to like really market the b-side. Because the b-side was a joint that you know you got before the album and you was like yo, this joint hard, hard too, but it wasn't marketed like that but you talked to. The videos was the part where a lot of artists sometimes would try to get both off. Like you know, a lot of people will reference the message at the beginning of if I ruled the world. You know, when I snap his fingers then they go back. You know what I mean if I ruled the world. So the message is the b-side like. But I think videos is what really ushered in um market in the b-side as well, because it would be like a little snippet at the beginning, the middle and then it cut back or the end of the record where you hear like a little snippet of the b-side but it's hard to pinpoint who really started that I mean you can even say Ice Cube, because Ice Cube had the album Bootlegs and B-sides and Check.
Speaker 2:Yourself was one of the leading videos and that wasn't really supposed to be on a full-length album, but he named the album Bootlegs and B-sides, which I always felt was one of his top albums, the whole mission statement, top albums, the whole mission statement.
Speaker 1:you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. It was crazy. Good conversation, phil, I think again. Volume 3, dope album it actually came out on December 28th in 1999. Okay, it was in the 28th quantifiable fact, 28th of 1999.
Speaker 1:Okay when you say that that makes me want to go check yeah you can. I don't have to check.
Speaker 3:It was one of the very last days of the year. I remember that.
Speaker 2:It's here, you can check Some people use Google, some people use Wikipedia. I use here. I'm not going to stop you from doing that.
Speaker 3:That's when we know it's time to go.
Speaker 1:And I would just like to say and people call, me Aaron, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2:We got a couple of super chats and I got like two questions for you guys before we get out of here.
Speaker 1:A few super chats. Mad Max Snoopy track alone stops it from being bottom five, I would agree. Snoopy tracks my shit. Volume 3 with Smoke I Am and Nostradamus combined, Not combined, but it's better than both. Combined is wild. Mad Max LL originated A-side, B-side Respect, Hollis Queens Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, Shout out side B side.
Speaker 1:Respect Hollis Queens. Okay, okay, no, actually, that actually sounds about right. That might be the most right thing Mad Max has ever said. Mad Max never forget that in 2024,. I said that she was right one time and this is the first time. You've been right, nigga, and you may never be right again. Okay, next super chat Hollis. I got Hollis right, nigga, I know what you're talking about, ain't? No, hollis Queens. Hollis, I was born at night, not last night. I know where LL from Hollis Queens. This is cool, nigga, hollis.
Speaker 2:Do you know who?
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Hollis man. Shout out to Hollis.
Speaker 1:You know who I am? Don't you ever super chat me? Try to correct me about some origins.
Speaker 3:He means the hardcore. I will port his leathery. I will port his leathery. Yeah, all right, you shouldn't have nothing else bad to say about Mad Max. When he disclosed, he used to get beat to slipping, I feel bad for him. Man, I do too. Man, I really do.
Speaker 2:Getting switched to your.
Speaker 3:Like you got a tick with that song. Come on like a nervous switch.
Speaker 2:Imagine your parents telling you yo, I need you to go get that switch as I play Slippin', and you're going to get the switch. You get Slippin' coming on. You're about to get a beat in the Slippin'. How does that work?
Speaker 3:I need to know which version Did you get me to the unedited version? Hold on, hold on, Nah.
Speaker 1:I've heard the unedited version on two tapes. I've been dealing with Mad Max longer than y'all have. It's a 90% chance he deserved to have that ass whooped. Okay, well, I believe it.
Speaker 2:I believe it, but man to slip it. Oh yeah, I got two questions for you guys before we get out of here.
Speaker 1:Flippin' is traumatizing, but I cannot control his parents' nefarious behavior. That's not what we do at Hip Hop Talks. That is what I do, Not a fucking counseling service.
Speaker 3:Nigga Call D-Fax, nigga the part where you pointed out the trauma with my mama.
Speaker 2:I can't fathom. I was a grown man when Flippin' came out, so I can't fathom getting a beat in a Slippin'.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Please ask your questions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was 17 when that album dropped.
Speaker 1:Please ask your questions so we can go. Yeah, who is you guys' MVP?
Speaker 2:of 2024?.
Speaker 1:Who is your?
Speaker 2:MVP this year.
Speaker 3:No, my MVP, that's the easiest question of the night, can't?
Speaker 1:do no more Future.
Speaker 3:Future is not a bad pick. It's lap boxing.
Speaker 1:Future made the best he was three years old Damn. Future made the most viable. What three years old Future? He was born in 1998. Okay, first of all, never say that again. Future made the most viable product this year. Future made the most viable product this year. Future made the most viable products this year. He did.
Speaker 3:In quantity but not quality, because I don't think any of his three projects was better than GNX.
Speaker 1:Maybe not, but those three projects that he did is more work than the other guys done in the last 10 years.
Speaker 3:But on his own album, who had the biggest moment on his best effort.
Speaker 1:See, that's the thing about that, is that that verse isn't even good. What are you saying?
Speaker 3:It don't have to be a great verse, it's the biggest moment. On his own album he stole the show, which? That's the album that we just put in our top ten.
Speaker 1:So that's one of those things that's about a war of attrition. Is that really about? That's what I mean? Is the bar in the moment really like that? Because the reality of the matter is, is that song on that album that's not even one of the five best songs on that album, and if that guy actually does guest appearances more often, you're not sitting up there like oh, oh, my god, it's the guy. He doesn't do guest appearances like that. The guest appearance isn't that strong, and I said that I'm gonna be consistent to the end, because I said that at the beginning when I heard it. It's like, yeah, it's like it's cool, it's like the verse ain't like that, though, but both but no pun intended, but both things can be true.
Speaker 3:It'd still be the biggest moment of the album and the best moment of the album, but not the best verse on there per se.
Speaker 1:Not the best moment on the album, because the best moment would require it, musically, to be better than what it is.
Speaker 3:No no.
Speaker 1:It's the biggest moment on the album. Yes, there's a difference.
Speaker 3:Verbal Intercourse isn't the best moment on Cuban link and people think it's the greatest verse, feature verse of all time, but it's not a best moment on Cuban link.
Speaker 1:Actually, I do think that it might be the best moment on Cuban link. What's the better moment?
Speaker 3:Criminology. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with that at all. Yeah, a lot of phones.
Speaker 3:I put over verbal intercourse, but not me.
Speaker 1:Crimincourse. I don't have criminology ahead of verbal intercourse.
Speaker 2:I have ice cream ahead of it, just because of what it did, I mean.
Speaker 3:Glaciers of ice. You know what I'm saying. Incarcerated scar faces, I mean. How about this. This is what I mean, so hold on, so, hold on.
Speaker 1:So if verbal intercourse is the biggest moment on the purple tape, it's validated by what you hear, right?
Speaker 3:But a lot of people would disagree with what you're saying though.
Speaker 1:Okay, ag, at some point you got to. Let me finish some of these statements, though. What's going on is that it's not validated by your ears, it's just validated because you're not used to hearing that guy talk like that. That's what I'm saying. It's almost like a magic trick. It's like it's not real.
Speaker 3:I mean it's kind of deep with the hate, but like I'm not being honest.
Speaker 1:How about this? How about this? Spit the bars to me right now, since it's such a big moment no, I don't have to spit the bars.
Speaker 3:Name a verse on there. That's better than Kendrick's verse. No, no, no. Name a future verse.
Speaker 1:That's better than Kendrick's verse no, no, no, but I asked you something. If the moment is so big, I'm not talking about best. You said it was the biggest moment, so I'm not focused on the best part.
Speaker 3:That's a quantifiable fact. It is the biggest moment on there.
Speaker 1:No, okay. So since it's the biggest moment, go ahead and spit the bars to me.
Speaker 3:I'm not on trial, Coop. You said that it's verses better.
Speaker 1:I'm just asking you no, no, no. I'm asking you what he said because if it's the biggest moment, that makes it memorable, right?
Speaker 3:right, this is like the name five Shout out to Tribe. I don't have to spit the verse you tell me what verse is better?
Speaker 1:Is the biggest moment memorable? No, no, no. You keep on trying to go to best. I'm not talking about best, I'll give you best.
Speaker 3:Name a song more memorable. Name a song on the album more memorable than like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to try this again, and this time you're actually going to let me finish talking. I'm asking you.
Speaker 3:You're still not answering the question.
Speaker 1:Okay, so first of all, you weren't the one asking me a question. I was asking you a question, so I'm going to try to.
Speaker 3:You was asking me to spit a verse that I don't have to spit to prove a point.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. So I'm going to try again. This time you're going to actually like try to let me finish instead of just trying to keep on talking. So I'm not talking about the best moment, so stop talking about the best moment. I asked you because you said it's the biggest moment on the album. Yes, by biggest do you mean memorable? Yes, I don't think you can even remember the bars for you to say that, unless you can prove me otherwise wrong.
Speaker 3:Name a song more memorable than like that.
Speaker 1:I'm asking you, no, no, I'm asking the person who made the statement that it was the biggest moment on the album to recite the bars from it.
Speaker 3:I'm not doing this song today, and shit man, I'd rather go to bed.
Speaker 1:So, ad, if I could finish my point, my point is is that I don't even think that the biggest moment on that album is memorable enough for somebody like you, who's an avid hip hop head, to remember the bars, which means the moment wasn't that big.
Speaker 3:Is it I got? Freddie Gibbs is my, like, number one album of the year, and quoting the verse doesn't have to prove that that's my number one album of the year.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. You said that this was the biggest moment of the album, right? Name one better okay, and all I'm telling you in return is is that the moment's not that memorable, because nobody even really remembers the verse like that, and you're proving my point, and that's why I'm not giving it to him like that you're like who is? Nobody. I'm like no, no, you're saying name a better future verse. I'm like spit the verse that you're talking about.
Speaker 3:But if I don't spit the verse that quantifies it as not a memorable moment, there's a lot of people that can spit that verse, but annoying people singing it word for word.
Speaker 1:But do you know the verse, though?
Speaker 3:That's what I'm asking, if it come on, I can rap the verse word for word, but I'm not going to sit here and spit it off to prove a point that doesn't prove my point or negate my point.
Speaker 1:So do you know? The verse, though, that you're saying is the biggest moment.
Speaker 3:I do know the verse, but if you're saying it's something on the album that's better, then tell me what you think is better. I can't think you. I don't think you can name another song on the album that's better.
Speaker 1:Why do you keep saying?
Speaker 3:better when I keep saying biggest.
Speaker 1:When we started off this conversation. I started off and said I'm not talking about okay, name a bigger song on the album I did clarify myself. I didn't say best moment on the album I said you're talking in circles, bro.
Speaker 3:Name a bigger song then no, I said bigger moment.
Speaker 1:You said biggest moment on the album is that verse. And I'm saying, if it is that big, why are not everybody talking about that verse right now?
Speaker 3:Okay, what's the bigger moment then? Are we quantifying it by song, by song?
Speaker 1:No, and what I'm trying to tell you is that that moment is not that big. Nobody even remembers that verse like that. You do not remember that verse like that.
Speaker 3:How is it not that big if it sparked off the whole battle? Coop, You're not making any sense.
Speaker 1:Jay Cole taking shots on Mike Delete later is what started this battle.
Speaker 3:What prompted the seven-minute drill Coop?
Speaker 1:First of all, first-person shooter is actually what started this battle.
Speaker 3:Alright, I'm done. Peace y'all, I'm out.
Speaker 2:Good Yo, y'all are crazy man. Hey Yo Yo. You guys are crazy. Hey, man, it was a big moment, that's all I'm saying. You don't know the verse either, do you I? I don't know none of these verses thank you, that's my whole point.
Speaker 1:Ag sitting up here talking this shit and ag don't even know the fucking verses, and I know ag well enough to know that ag be knowing the verses when it matters so I don't even know why he was sitting up here playing and he's sitting up here caping for Kendrick like that.
Speaker 1:He don't know the verse because he knows the moment ain't like that either. He be up here caping for Kendrick. He don't know the verse. That's my whole point. He's sitting up here talking about this big moment and he's like that's the biggest moment on the album. That's the biggest moment. Spit the verse. Any other time his ass can spit a verse, but now, all of a sudden, he couldn't spit the verse. It's very, very fascinating how that happens. That's because that verse ain't like that.
Speaker 2:It's the phrase. It's not a big three it's just big me, that's the moment that kicked everything off, thank you.
Speaker 1:So when I'm saying that verse ain't like that, that verse ain't like that, it's just something that he said during the process of that verse. That verse ain't like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said it and it started a battle, the battle that became the biggest moment of hip-hop in 2024.
Speaker 3:That's what it did. That's what it did.
Speaker 2:It kicked off the biggest battle in 2024.
Speaker 1:Y'all been caping for Kenny all year.
Speaker 2:It's not caping. It's not caping. It kicked off the biggest battle of 2024.
Speaker 1:See, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So when you were saying that, Drake and Cole have been taking shots, but it's not until Kendrick said something that this battle is set off, because he's a pulverizing piece of the puzzle he just is. He's the pulverizing piece of the puzzle. He just is. He's the pulverizing piece to the puzzle. He's saying it's not the big three, it's just big me. And guess what happened? That's when everything started to roll. Everything started to roll.
Speaker 1:But that's because he responded from Drake poking at him. Drake had been poking at him.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But Drake pokes at everybody. He pokes at everybody. That's because he responded from Drake poking at him. Drake had been poking at him Absolutely.
Speaker 1:But Drake pokes at everybody, he pokes at everybody.
Speaker 2:That's a pause when you say that out loud. It is a pause, but he pokes at everybody. He does. But the person that people wanted to see go at it was him and him. Everyone kept calling this guy the boogeyman. They said this guy is the boogeyman and he finally came out as the boogeyman.
Speaker 1:That's all it is.
Speaker 2:It's a big moment. It's why we're here. Think about our numbers as a pod. Most of the podcast numbers every podcast not most, but every podcast saw an influx in their numbers because of the Kenny conversation. The Kenny stimulus package was a real thing.
Speaker 1:Okay so hold on. So run it in reverse. Let's say Drake and Kendrick were to actually do the record together and Cole were to respond Not the same traction. No, or Cole and Kendrick do the record together and Drake responds Not the same traction.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, because you know why, but you already know why, kookie, we had this conversation off air. We know why. You know why, but you already know why, coop, we had this conversation off air. We know why. You know why. Hendrick is a polarizing figure in all of this. He's the one that they wanted to get old boy up out of here.
Speaker 1:No, Drake's the one they want to get up out of here. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Drake, he's an old boy. They wanted to get old boy up out of here. Hendrick, he's a silver bullet, he's the one that could do that Straight up and down. The fact that he even responded by saying the big three is just big me. The fact that he responded, it created an entire timeline of events to follow. It created that. That's a big moment, man, I don't think no one else could have done that I don't think no one else could have done that straight up.
Speaker 2:We've seen it. We've seen people. Pusha T did the same thing to Drake. It didn't get that kind of traction, and for Red it's one of the best.
Speaker 2:It didn't get that kind of traction and for Red it's one of the best. It didn't get that kind of traction Straight up. You both can have a fair argument, you both can be right, but you're talking about something that we're talking about tonight, which is the biggest moment Straight up. We're talking about tonight, which is the biggest moment Straight up. I know you don't like Kenny, I get it.
Speaker 1:No, it's just like pick your biggest moment. What's the biggest moment? Is the biggest moment the setting off of the battle? Is it not like us? Is it meet the ground? You get what I'm saying? That's what I mean. It does come like a little bit like oh no, it's like what's the big moment then? Oh, oh, oh, it's, it's on the future record. It's the big moment. Oh, it's not like us. Oh, it's meet the grams. Oh no, it's gnx. Or is it everybody caping for this motherfucking? Because that's what it sounds like when you put all of that together, right, when you put all of that together, right, when you put all of that together, do you see how it sounds? Now, when you put all of it together, it's like oh no, no, no, that's the biggest moment. It's like hold on, oh, he has all of the biggest moments. Don't nobody have no big moments.
Speaker 2:No, he's in the middle of all of that as well, Because distal, they retracted that. Apologize, you got Drake who kind of waved the white flag. If you will, and like I'm done with it.
Speaker 1:I will give you this. You want to know what should actually be the biggest moment. The biggest moment should be the apology.
Speaker 2:The apology came and went. People kind of like it is what it is, we're cold. Some people feel like he still can come back from it. I mean he sold out the garden so, like, like.
Speaker 1:That's actually the most polarizing moment of all of this, because it was him doing that that enabled this battle to take shape in the fashion that it did. That's actually the biggest moment who for all cole?
Speaker 1:yeah, cole, cole stepping down and apologizing in front of everybody and stepping back is actually the biggest moment, because the battle actually took a real formation after that moment happened. The battle didn't have a shape or a form. It is like when a planet is getting created out of like a combustible star. It's like, well, it don't have no shape or no fucking form. So how big is the moment? It's still shaping and forming. It wasn't until Cole apologizes, this took shape and took form because that's when it was like, oh well, now we just have Drake and Kendrick lock in. Before that, it is all over the place. That's what I'm saying. All of it is big moments until that moment. That's the big moment, because that's the moment where the battle took shape. Moment, because that's the moment where the battle took shape.
Speaker 1:Now it's like, okay, he is removing himself for the fray. So this is not a two-on-one, this is not a tag team, this is not an east versus west versus south or whatever. Drake and Kendrick about the dance that moment actually happened.
Speaker 2:Or the future album.
Speaker 1:No, that happened when Cole apologized, because what we were all really waiting for was the Cole and Kendrick thing. Sean, sean, sean, sean. Let's keep it real. We all talked about this. You and AJ talked about this. We all said that the real battle was Cole and Kendrick. So we can't pull up in December and act like Drake was the headline, I'm not disagree and Kendrick, so we can't pull up in December and act like Drake was the headline we wanted.
Speaker 1:So if the headline that we really wanted was Kendrick and Cole Cole stepping out in the big thing.
Speaker 2:In the aftermath. Yes, I'm talking about. You guys' argument was the future album. What's the biggest moment on the future album? The biggest moment on the future album? No.
Speaker 1:I said it was the biggest moment on the album. What I'm trying to say is that that moment ain't that big because you can't even remember the verse. And we come from a hip-hop climate and I asked AG that question because we are all heads when there is a moment, we remember the moment and we recite the bars. Now, how are you going to know the bars from where y'all at? But you don't know the bars from this Kendrick thing. It's because the moment ain't moving the meter, like you really saying that it is, and that is the media fucking propagating some of this shit.
Speaker 2:That's my whole point. I don't know the verse but I say acknowledge what it done to him.
Speaker 1:I don't know the verse either. Everybody know about that verse. It's just big need. But everybody know about that. Apology, when it happened, where it happened and how it happened. Right?
Speaker 2:That's the moment it created where we are today. That's all.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm not reciting a verse just to justify why I feel like it's the biggest moment of hip hop. I'm not reciting a verse just to justify why I feel like it's the biggest moment of hip hop. I'm just saying that because what it did to hip hop, that's funny.
Speaker 1:That's used to what we used to have to do, though, yeah.
Speaker 2:This is a different era. This is a different wave of things. Think about how this battle played out. This battle didn't play out the way old battles played out, didn't play out like this, because I thought that Drake actually did a pretty solid job in the beginning of the battle, to the point where we thought that we had a conversation about it. We were like yo Drake might have a chance in this battle, but it didn't play out that way.
Speaker 2:You got social media involved. You got the sideline people now on in a game, on a game field, everyone has an opinion. Everyone, you know, is more is more loud. Now people are louder. Now we were coming up in battles.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like that. It wasn't that that that loud we had to go to. We had to hear from a mixtape. We had to hear people call into a radio station and state why they felt Takeover was losing the ether in real time. All those things were happening. We don't have that now. So people get on Twitter and they start typing Kendrick is the best, kendrick beat Drake. And they can't give you a reason why they just can't. Because they're picking a side of who they feel the most, regardless of what that person say or not. They're picking a side on who they feel the most, regardless of what that person said or not. So that means Kenny, who ended up dropping a album to close this thing out, and you got everybody around him and he got the Super Bowl in his back pocket. Now Everything stirred from that verse, that one quote that he said Damn everything else he said, but he said that one piece that cut out, like when Jay said X Nas, you don't want it with Hov. That was the fire starter to get us to this point.
Speaker 1:Sean.
Speaker 1:I get what you're saying and you and I know this, and this is where I have you and this is my whole point. Oh no, you remember the ass Nas, he don't want it with Hovpart Sean. You know every fucking bar before that and you know, you do, you know, you do. That's my whole point. When you were bringing up the moment oh no, the moment is when Jay said ass Nas, he don't want. Oh, that was the moment where everybody went crazy. But guess what? He was like that. The record was like that. The moment was like that. Oh no, you, every, you know every word before that.
Speaker 1:And the only thing that I was trying to illustrate is that this moment ain't like that, because when it's like that, word for word, you know, word for word, you know. No, you're not on my level. Get your brakes tweaked. I sold what your whole album sold in my first week. I can spit the bars to you from that verse in reverse, because it was like that. I get it. That's all I'm saying. That moment ain't like that. That moment ain't even like that for this generation. I'm around these kids. That moment ain't like that. They like to beat in the baseline more than they like to record. I'm around it.
Speaker 2:Still created a moment for them.
Speaker 1:Hey Wes.
Speaker 2:Yo, this is here Pop Talks. Kenny got to be the MVP of this year. A Coop is the hater of the year. Shout out, Shout out to AG.
Speaker 1:You and Mad Max are haters of the year.
Speaker 2:You're the hater of the year. Shout out to AG.
Speaker 1:Shout out to the team I ain't shouting out no goddamn body, mad Max can't stand, you Can't stand none of y'all, mad Max. Bottom Bug Horrible New Year. Great Santa asked me what I wanted for Christmas. I said ho, ho, ho's.
Speaker 2:No, that's a problem right there, definitely, definitely, just took what was left of our ad money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's the problem right there, definitely definitely just took what was left of our ad money yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yo.
Speaker 2:I think that's all we got man.
Speaker 1:I have nothing else to give you guys nothing else.
Speaker 2:We appreciate y'all LP. Y'all know what it is. Double Jack, CLF, Mad Max. Happy New Year, everybody LP Appreciate y'all LP. Y'all know what it is. Double Jack, CLF, Mad Max. Happy New Year, Everybody LP L-Bugs 2,000 subs before 2025.
Speaker 2:2,000 subs. We circling the block again. We will put that list out for the albums of the year based on the bracketing. That way you guys can kind of see how we're parsing through everything. So that'll be out there real soon and we'll see y'all in 2025, if not sooner. If something drops before then we might pop up again, but yeah we out?
Speaker 1:I don't want to pop out and show niggas, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2:I do, man. We got to get them 2,000 subs. Like, subscribe, like, subscribe, share, like, subscribe, share. Join the Discord, join our Facebook, hit us on Twitter and we'll be back. We'll be back.
Speaker 1:Yes, I promise in 2025 to show up in the Discord once a week.
Speaker 2:Come on, man, you got to show them more than that, man. They're talking about you right now in the Discord man.
Speaker 1:Don't nobody give a damn. It's a cool show on love man.
Speaker 2:That's what they said. People said cool show on love it's here. I'll be around the city. Yo man, it don't take much. You got a phone right?
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to pull up.
Speaker 2:You got to pull up.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm going to pull up 2025, I'm pulling up 2025.
Speaker 2:We got to do better for the people, man. Let's do it for the people.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 2:My mere thoughts. We appreciate you, jack. We appreciate you Double. We appreciate you All of y'all. We appreciate y'all. Y'all have a happy holidays, hope everybody's still eating off some good Christmas food and enjoying your presence and we'll see y'all in 2025, if not sooner. Peace.