HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
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Good evening. This is Hip Hop Talks. Unfortunately, we're starting off on a more somber tone. We want to send our thoughts, prayers and condolences for those already lost to the fires going on in LA and the surrounding areas right now. Sean and I were just talking behind the scenes about how we, both from his travels and from my time living out there have actually seen the fires like occur and how they occur. It's a very, very serious thing, a very serious matter. Make sure you're checking on your loved ones out there. Any thoughts?
Speaker 2:AG or Sean, you all want to share. Starting off, just prayers up. It's a scary and it's a dangerous situation. You know what I mean. It happens way too often. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So definitely sending prayers to everybody out there.
Speaker 1:Indeed, echo prayers to the families out there. What impacted? Yeah, um, make sure you click like, subscribe, share to our page. We're growing, as usual. We started off the new year strong with episode 50. Welcome to episode 51. Uh, let's go ahead and get into some things. Gentlemen, liangelo has LiAngelo Ball, that is. I do need to clarify that. It's not like he's as popular as his two other siblings. He's released a single on YouTube called Tweaker. I don't believe in New Year's resolutions, but I do try, you know, in the new year to reflect on any behavior that I may have had that I can maybe correct in the new year, and so I'm going to deflect to you, ag, about this, so that I'm just not like disrespectful right now. Go ahead, have a good time.
Speaker 2:I listened to it once oh.
Speaker 1:It better than having finished. It went viral.
Speaker 2:And that's about all positive, I would have to say about it. Hey man, real talk, though. Like I mean, his two brothers are in the NBA. You know his career didn't quite take the path that they thought it was going to take because of, you know, a certain incident and you know that kind of derailed his NBA hopes. And then, you know, he even got a second chance but you know it still didn't pan out. You know, getting cut from the NBA because I believe he was on the G League team for the Hornets at one point, right, right. So you know, sometimes you got to find another avenue of hustle. You know, and I'm just trying what are you doing, man?
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to be positive man.
Speaker 1:What are we doing?
Speaker 2:It's a new year. I told Sean I was going to be a better person and so you lied to Sean to start the new year. Right, he lied that was a lie.
Speaker 1:You lied to start the new year.
Speaker 3:That's about right Right Now. You're going to kick off the new year with a lie.
Speaker 2:Nah, man, it's pretty trash, if I'm being honest, but some people like it. It would be viral if some people didn't like it. More power to them. Nah, that was pretty trash. I wish I could have got those few minutes back, sean what you got.
Speaker 3:I tried, man. I wanted to be positive about it too. I didn't want to be indifferent, but it's trash. I'm not going to lie, it's not my thing. When I listened to the first verse, I immediately went and started listening to the opposite of H2O by Drag On. I don't know why. I don't even know why, yo, yo.
Speaker 1:You want to know what me and AG. We know what you're doing. We know, no, no, no, we know what you just did. This is how we starting off the year.
Speaker 2:Drag on to be offended.
Speaker 1:See, most people don't know. That's one of those if you know, you know moments Like if you know, you know what he's being over here. Yo, he was so shady.
Speaker 3:Drag to the dash is going crazy, man. Drag to the dash.
Speaker 1:You want to know what? We have super chats. I don't have time for this shit. We have super chats. 007, what up, 007? Queens, get the money. Happy New Year, gentlemen. Looking forward to a big year, I as well. 00. Sorry I haven't been able to hit you back. Had a lot of stuff going on. You and I will be talking very, very soon, possibly tomorrow, because it looks like they're going to shut Atlanta down, which means I'm not going to be able to get into it.
Speaker 2:Yo, atlanta getting shut down. Over three inches of snow is soft. I'm sitting down here in like almost two feet of snow since Monday. Like it's crazy here in West Virginia. A whole tree in my driveway, 13 degrees outside and they're about to shut your city down.
Speaker 1:It's wild 13 degrees outside and they about to shut your city down as well. I remember when I was in fourth grade and the snow started falling outside, they just put us on the bus and sent us home. Like we ain't calling parents, we ain't telling nobody, like, oh no, I'm off Go home.
Speaker 2:Nah, bro, it's treacherous conditions here, man. We done got about 20 inches of snow since Monday. It's treacherous conditions here, man. We done got about 20 inches of snow since Monday.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, I believe it, you live in the mountains for real. It's mountainous areas.
Speaker 2:I had to lift a big tree stump out of my yard. I was out there like Paul Bunyan putting the joint on my shoulder, trying to carry it.
Speaker 1:Yo man that joint was wild man, the podcast Paul Bunyan. There we go, that's right.
Speaker 3:That's right, jermaine.
Speaker 1:Johnson with the 199 Super Chat. If Juvenile get on that last verse of the remix fire.
Speaker 2:That was a hot song. That joint was dope yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, we got more. Yeah, we got more. Cj the Kid. What up CJ Appreciate you 50 bucks on it, cj. What up brother Appreciate?
Speaker 2:you CJ.
Speaker 1:You guys are blessed and doing well, fellas.
Speaker 3:Prayers to the families out west.
Speaker 1:Yes, prayers to the families out west. Indeed, cj, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 3:No, thank you, CJ.
Speaker 1:However, joey's been getting beat up from all corners. I updated Sean and the Discord is talking, the is talking. The female MC is going to jump in for the East, apparently. Let's talk. You want to talk about that right? Quick, gentlemen, we want to kind of like thump that to the back a little bit Wait.
Speaker 3:We got that on the dock. So, CJ, if you can hold tight, we'll get you on that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to get to you, cj. I would like to say about the LiAngelo song that don't quit your day job and if this is your day job, find another day job. You suck the end. Good night, all right. On to somebody doing some more productive things in the hip hop world, or at least in further in the hip hop world, is Lupe Fiasco guys in the hip hop world, or at least in further in the hip hop world, is Lupe Fiasco guys. Lupe is becoming the first person to actually be a university professor of hip hop at John Hopkins University, which is actually having a bachelor's degree in hip hop. Applications are January 24th is when they open up, gentlemen. So I actually think that Lupe is the perfect guy for this job. But I have a more important question to ask the both of you right now. Should I apply? No, can you imagine me? Can you imagine me? You don't think I should apply.
Speaker 1:I was thinking, ooh, I can be one of Lupe's students. I can't wait to go to class and learn from Lupe. It would be something.
Speaker 3:No, yes, I support it no.
Speaker 2:I got a careful sign out on that one.
Speaker 1:Can we put a poll up in the chat. Should Coop apply to be part of Lupe's class at Johns Hopkins? Applications open up January 24th. I looked it up. Applications open up January 24th. Can we put up a poll Be?
Speaker 2:worded to applications. What makes you think you're going to get accepted if you see your name on the list of applications?
Speaker 1:It's a coup. How can he tell me? No, I could file a discrimination case if that were the case. It's a coup. How can he tell me, no, I could file a discrimination case if that were the case. It's discrimination. Because I'm COW, you want to hate. No, no, no, no, no, you got to let me in.
Speaker 2:COW is nasty.
Speaker 1:What do you guys actually honestly think? I'm serious about that poll for this application, though, but what do you guys honestly think about Lupe in this? This is something progressive for hip-hop. What do you guys actually honestly think? I'm serious about that poll for this application, though, but what do you guys honestly think about Lupe in this? This is something progressive for hip-hop. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Prestigious, in a word, prestigious man. You know, kudos to Lupe. It's a big deal in a lot to our art form of hip hop the fact that it can be taught in the educational system. You know what I'm saying. So I feel like we've grown as a culture leaps and bounds to the point where you know like even Nas, nas is a Harvard fellow and you know things like that. So it's like I remember when I was a kid, people saying hip hop was a fad. You know what I mean. It wasn't going to be around or it wasn't real music, quote unquote. Now we're being taught in the highest esteemed universities and we got one of our own at the helm of that, and I think that is, you know, a big deal, and so salute to Lupe for that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, john deal. So salute to Lupe for that, john, I agree, I agree. This is a good thing for hip-hop. I know Jizzle was actually teaching a physics class or something like that as well, right.
Speaker 1:He taught some sort of physics and astro. It was some sort of combine class, but physics was at the base of it, I believe.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can totally see that. He's a mad scientist man. I hope this opens the door for others.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, anybody talking like that. I hope this opens the door for other things, though for other, you know, artists. That's qualified, of course, to do things like this at other colleges, institutions, so on and so forth, because I do think it's an opportunity relic, right. You want it to continue to be vibrant and continue to grow and continue to have a lot of meaning to it, because I think, as we got farther away from hip-hop as itself, we came up in the era of b-boy, you know, graffiti breakdancing, all of those things rhyming and just having lifeless we taught each other.
Speaker 1:Hold on, okay so, but see the perspective changes because even look at break boy, look at break dancing and graffiti and b-boying, that was our early, early childhood. That's our super young childhood, like our 4, 5, 6.
Speaker 3:Right, right, Exactly. And you see what they did to it. They took it and they had the Olympics. They had breakdancing in the Olympics.
Speaker 1:No, that was not breakdancing. That was not breakdancing Exactly.
Speaker 2:To your point, it became a relic.
Speaker 1:You may want to take a break from putting that in the Olympics. But that wasn't breakdancing.
Speaker 3:They commercialized it to the point where it takes away the rawness of it. And if you can have someone like Lupe you know other artists out there again who's qualified. Maybe they can, you know, continue to keep it vibrant as much as possible. So this is a big win for hip-hop.
Speaker 1:I think 007 has a couple of prevalent super chats that we need to go through right quickly that are prevalent to this conversation. So you get a degree in hip-hop, and then what? And then what six-figure job do you get with a hip-hop degree? Fellas, great questions, 007.
Speaker 3:Great question. It's funny because we have professors who talk at it.
Speaker 1:You get to host your own podcast. Guess what? You don't need a degree to do that you really don't, even though we all have degrees.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you really don't need it. That's a good question. That's a damn good question. That's an excellent question.
Speaker 1:Think about where the journalistic world, think about the conversation we just had about Elliot and the journalistic integrity of writing and the space that he has to exist in now and the media personality. So what you're gonna go? You're gonna go pay a quarter million dollars for education to get a job as a hip-hop writer, like right right in 2028 well what I would think you know to answer 007 question.
Speaker 2:I would hope it would produce more hip-hop educators. You know what I'm saying because lupe is already somebody who's stamped and sanctioned as being a hip-hop artist, right, but as far as going, you know, to school under that banner, I think you could eventually become an educator in hip-hop. I don't know mean you would have to get your teaching degree in in um, you know, in conjunction with that. But I mean I would hope that it would spawn more educators on the subject, because to me it seems like it's only kind of like going to be a niche thing as certain universities. But you know, for the ones that graduate from that program, hopefully it could branch out and spawn more educators in the hip-hop culture and then we start to see it in more universities. Now will that be a six-figure profession? I don't know, but hopefully it will spawn more jobs in that forum.
Speaker 1:See, what you don't want to do is go to college and get a job in hip-hop that still forces you to sell dope. All right, that's a fact. Look at it.
Speaker 3:It was the North Carolina A&T. We had them on station there last year. They were two hip-hop professors. Oh the Aggies, Yep.
Speaker 1:You know the dude I get my jewelry from that's the Aggie. He's an Aggie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's an Aggie they have Aggie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's Aggie, they have a hip-hop course over there.
Speaker 3:We had two professors that taught hip-hop and they came on to our station head show and smoked their boots. Actually it was embarrassing Classic moment. They probably lost accreditation after that. Nonetheless, they were professors. Real spit, that was real.
Speaker 1:You talked about professors. This world is about building relationships, sean. When you talk about inviting people on and then you talk about live, how you smoke their boots- it really happened, I witnessed it Lost their accreditation.
Speaker 2:Would I say, upset college professors more knowledge than Webster.
Speaker 3:It was bad.
Speaker 1:Lost their accreditation is just like outright disrespectful. It's possible.
Speaker 3:You're going to stand no chance.
Speaker 2:But real talk, though. Shout out to Lupe for finding you know cause we just talked about um rappers having second careers, you know finding what's next for them, um, in their life If they hang up the mic. Not saying, lupe is hanging up the microphone, but this is an avenue that you know. Nobody else does really travel, you know what I'm saying. So shout out to him for finding a second career in this because, like we talked about last episode, the move seems to be getting your own podcast or own media outlet or what have you, but Lupe's taking the alternative route.
Speaker 1:He's creating a lane? No, he is, and he deserves props for creating a lane, because it's a lane and people need to pay attention to this move, because this is the power move.
Speaker 2:It's a lane that when you say it for him, you're like no, that makes sense, makes perfect sense, it does and I'm not trying to be funny, but isn't it ironic like with with this moniker, the teacher and stuff like that, this, don't you think this is something that KRS-One probably should have did years ago?
Speaker 1:No, I think somebody like a KRS-One, a Black Thought, a Nas, a Tupac, people that have been spoken about in African-American diaspora classes already have led up to this moment. There have been building blocks to this moment. Lupe didn't just pop up with this. There has been moments. There has been the studying of Tupac's and Nas's. There's been Illmatic being put in the Harvard Institute. There's been Tupac's poetry and lyrics being studied. There's been Lupe at MIT KRS-One I think about well, who should be hip hop's first professor, like actual professor, to break down the things you see, because here's the thing about it Like KRS-One probably is not going to come Monday, wednesday and Friday From 10 to 10.50.
Speaker 1:11 to 11.50. 12 to 12.50. 11 to 11.50, 12 to 12.50, 1 to 1.50, then go do his office hours, then go gallivant about the camp. No, but Lupe, you can see that for him because he's disciplined and organized and structured like that with a lot of the same ethos that KRS-One has. Krs-one's like kind of path, and path and ethos is what opens the door for this as well. The things that he's been speaking about educationally in terms of reform, necessary and inclusion of us, necessary in order for there to be true progress, is part of it. This is the mark of that progress. It really is a great moment for hip-hop. Shout out to Lupe for that and I'll see you in class.
Speaker 2:That would be funny, though, I have one person that I would want to see in this arena, and that's RZA. I would love to see RZA teach at the university.
Speaker 1:No, no, we're cool on that, speaking of which, wow.
Speaker 2:That's disrespectful man.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. He puts plenty of his stuff out that he wants to be seen the way that he wants it to be seen. See Wu-Tang on Hulu. See Ray talking about it with Joe Rogan, which is actually the next subject that we're going to dump into, guys. Ray went on Joe Rogan. Last week to start off the new year, ray got a new album coming called the Emperor's New Clothes, which is based on the old I bless what is it? Folklore story? The Emperor Wears no Clothes, correct? Yeah, he's doing a twist on this, but what did you guys think of the interview overall? Sean, kick it off.
Speaker 3:I think it was a dope interview. Joel is a very unorthodox interviewer he's such a fan but it works and it works. He does a good job. Sometimes the interview turned into him just having a conversation with the artist. They're educating each other, on different timelines, different portions of Philpop, so I thought it was really dope to kick off the year with Ray. He got Ray in a comfortable position to talk about different things. It wasn't your average interview. I've seen many interviews with Ray. It turns out to be like an interrogation because you get like a thousand questions you want to ask about the clan and about him. But Joe had a real conversation with him. That was dope.
Speaker 1:AG, what you think I'm with Sean.
Speaker 2:Joe, he gets it right. You know what I mean. He's. You know he's not somebody who you would consider other culture and hip hop or whatever, but dude is a fan for real, like I've heard him wax poetic about, you know, wu Tang, nwa, nas, like you know what I'm saying. Dude is a fan for real. But when he has those guests on his show, he gets it. He does his homework, he does his research, even to the point where the guest is taken aback like oh, wow. Like you know what I mean. Like I didn't know you were going to ask me that or I didn't know you knew about that. So you know it was a very interesting interview. I think Joe Rogan did his thing and then Ray was candid. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Ray is somebody who, depending on the mood he's in, could be hit or miss with the interview, you know what I'm saying but but he was very, ray was very candid man and I think both of them knocked it out of the park and I'm looking forward to the new album when it drops.
Speaker 1:This is one of the better interviews that I can remember in quite some time, guys, I agree, when I thought about Joe Rogan, he got into such a comfortable conversational dialogue with Ray that I hadn't seen Ray open up like this in a long time in an interview.
Speaker 1:In a long time he wasn't even this open like on the drink champs interview no no, you know, and he felt more comfortable and willing to share his thoughts and his thoughts were like very well, like woven and calculated and thoughtful and articulate and intricate, very much like his rhymes, right, you know the way that he was breaking things down. It was one of the better interviews that I've seen in a while and I was actually thinking to myself, although not technically or or you know, I guess you know, in a lot of ways he is part of this culture, but he isn't with with joe rogan. But as far as interviews go the way he, like one-on-one, makes an artist feel truly comfortable and just like knows his shit, has a hip-hop head, but it's still able to like wax poetic without coming off as too much of a fan. You know, like he shows the artist that he's a fan of everything else too, not just the person that he's interviewing. He's like yeah, yeah, I get down with your stuff, but I get down with everybody else too, like when he's playing the cool G rap stuff and Ray's like yo, I never heard that.
Speaker 1:So that goes to the point, ag, where you're talking about, where the interviewer is schooling the interviewee on something, because Ray's like I ain't never heard this Ghetto Boy song. I ain't never heard this Cool G rap song, but that's what made me think. Something about Ray too. Sean, you'll understand this. As a Marine, ray is somebody who thinks he has a trench and a bunker mentality.
Speaker 1:So I can see hip-hop-wise even though, like you know what I'm saying, you gotta think he's playing Ray, a Cool G rap song from 1992. Now that's when the Klan is taking shape and form. They probably ain't listening to nobody else. Nobody else. They said that.
Speaker 3:They tuned everybody out. They kept it right in the regiment. They tuned everyone out.
Speaker 1:Literally the only dude that they knew around that time was Ray and ray and nas, somehow like it, met up. You know what I'm saying? That was the only dude really outside the clan that you ever really heard them even talk about so and ray probably like encompasses that mentality.
Speaker 1:The most of the crew, but even joe rogan knowing stuff like yo remember when y'all went to rikers when ODP was in Rikers I was like oh, I was like Rogan is a head, because I remember, I remember like the, I can remember like the little articles and stuff like about that, like like a month after it happened. But it was like a month after it happened and then it kind of faded away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to say, coop. I'm glad you brought that up Because we talked about journalistic writing. We, you know, anytime we talk about guest speaking or anytime we talk about interviewing someone, they say to give a hook. You know what I mean. Like you know, you want to grab the listener. You want to grab you know the person reading the article right out the gate. And I think that you know, when interviewing Ray, I think that was Rogan's hook when he came out and was like yo, I remember when y'all performed at Rikers, when ODB was like damn, ray was instantly sold, he was on board.
Speaker 2:The rest of the interview was super smooth after that because Rogan nailed the hook. He had Ray at that point. It wasn't no fake stuff either. He could recount the moment about what year it was, what happened. You know what, about what year it was, what happened. You know what I'm saying. And, like you know, ray was even to the point where I was like yo, that's, that's crazy. Like how'd you know about that? I almost forgot about that. Like you know what I mean, this and that. But you know I evidently impacted joe's life where it's something that you know he'll never forget, and it was a big moment for him. So to me that was joe's hook, and the interview was just smooth sailing after that point.
Speaker 1:So we're going to get the Jermaine Johnson super chat, because I was actually about to kind of say something to this effect, because I don't know if this is problematic, but I think it is something that needs to be briefly discussed and then we can move to the next topic. Jermaine Johnson, thank you for the $4.99 super chat. The Rogan interview made me say damn. Elliot Wilson was right. Most of these hip-hop platforms is trash.
Speaker 1:Gentlemen, I do feel like Joe Rogan just gave a better hip-hop interview of Ray than anybody has in at least the last 10, 15 years. Is that problematic for this culture? That the best interview that we are going to get from an icon and somebody that I have in my personal top 15 all time and I think that objectively he has top 15 on him Like somebody of his stature in this game that Joe Rogan is the one that gives him the best interview? Joe Rogan is the one that knows that Wu-Tang went to Rikers. Listen, it's not even that you know that he went to, that Wu-Tang went to Rikers because that was a known thing. They went while ODB was in there. He knew the details, guys. Is this an indictment on our hip-hop journalistic slash podcast, slash media outlet? Whatever it is.
Speaker 3:I think so because I think, okay, you listen to Cam and Mase and they tell you stories from first-hand to a secondhand experience, so those stories have a little bit more punch to it. They're not going, they're not using a journalistic route where they're digging up information, they're piecing things together like a collage.
Speaker 1:They're telling you what happened.
Speaker 3:They're telling you what really happened to me. Those are the best stories you hear. When Joe was talking about this, joe was in that. He was around that. He was around around that time. So he grew up seeing that in live time. Think about the stories that we all share, you know, on scene or behind the scenes we talk about the things that we experience in different moments, those stories.
Speaker 3:You can talk more passionate about those stories because you actually seen it, you lived it, you breathed it, you know I mean. So it hits a little bit different as opposed to someone like ell Elliott who was doing some research or some digging or whatever the case may be, and now he's telling a story from a journalistic perspective. No one want to hear that anymore. It's like reporting the news. We don't want you to report the news anymore. Let's have a conversation about what's really going on, because I want to know the intricate details. I want to know what's going on and ODB's locked up. I want to know that.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's going on. People don't want to know the news anymore, because the news is now delivered to them. You already have access to the news. You can't avoid the news. And if you don't have the news somebody around you has the news and is going to give you the news. Hey Co, hey, coop, you heard about such and such, nope, but I have. Now you want to know why. Because you knew, because it's accessible, because the information is literally, literally at our fingertips at all times, 24, 7.
Speaker 1:So there is. So there is no more writing about the news. People are trying to make themselves a part of the news, see, but here's where joe rogan is successful and here's why he's not. Joe Rogan's not doing that. Joe is like I'm a fan, but I'm going to show you that I'm a fan of you and a fan of this culture. That's what a dope-ass journalist is really supposed to do at the end of the day. Like show you that culturally, I'm involved and that I understand and that I get it, so that you give me the goods that I need to deliver to my base, so that I eat properly off of this. Like that's what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like he gets it on all levels and when he delivers an interview like this with one of our icons, it is like kind of an indictment, in my opinion, on on, on all of us. I was like I'll put myself in that. Like I tried to get a Ray interview once. I used to work with his sister. I couldn't get the Ray interview. You know what I'm saying. So when I'm seeing Joe execute the interview and some of the stuff he was doing and the way he had Ray comfortable. I was even questioning myself. I was like damn, could I do that?
Speaker 2:That was an excellent super chat question, but I'm going to go a different route, just kind of thinking about what you all were saying. I'm going to say the indictment you said all of us I'm going to put the indictment on us as the fans. The reason being is because you know we're waxing poetic about this Joe Rogan interview and it deserves that. But it's been a lot of times where our artists go don't go to hip-hop publications, go to a white publication or something that we not consider the other culture in hip-hop, and then we up in arms about it and we say yo, why they go over there instead of coming over here. But if you know if that publication or you know interviewer is putting out a better product, then why not? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:We got to be consistent like don't you want the final result to be the best that it can be, or your artists that you love and support get the most shine or whatever? Yeah, they should be helping out homegrown hip hop platforms. Yeah, but if they could put out a better product somewhere else, if the other platform is going to do more research and you know, put forth you know a better effort in the interview, then'll say why not? But we got to be consistent in that because a lot of times we play both sides of it.
Speaker 1:No, I hear what you're saying, ag. I don't mean it like we're not doing our job. I'm just saying like it very much came off like a hip-hop journalist having a conversation with one of our icons, and when our quote unquote hip hop writers slash media personalities do those types of interviews. Sometimes it comes off like they're just trying to ask the hot questions to go viral. Ask the hot questions to go viral, and this day and they, the person themselves are in positioning themselves to be the star just as much as the person that they are interviewing. And this interview gave off none of that shit and it felt refreshing and I think that thing that's where I'm saying it feels like an indictment a little bit, because it's like, oh well, it's like this feels like a little bit more of a refreshing interview in terms of the perspective being offered. And why aren't my other hip hop journalists that were there around the same time Joe Rogan was? Because they're around the same age that he is, no, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just saying let's, let's, let's judge the product off its own merit. You know what I mean? Because because if it works, then it's all good, like because joe rogan, he knocked it out of the park. But say, if somebody you know, I'm just throwing rolling stone out there, or whatever, somebody goes over the rolling stone and then they put out one of them type interviews, like you're talking about coop, and then we're like yo, why did they go over there? Anyway, they shouldn even be messing with it. They shouldn't be messing with a hip-hop publication. So I just think, instead of just saying that as a blanket statement, those other type of publications that may not be of the culture can put out a good product. But let's judge it on its own merit instead of grouping everybody together. Because before this happened, a lot of people wouldn't have thought that Joe Rogan could have produced, like you know, one of these type interviews for one of our greats. So that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying, see, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2:He's done some good stuff before I think this was no, we know that, people who are tapped in, but I'm just saying the average person probably would the average person from our culture probably isn't tapped in to see how many of our Exactly.
Speaker 1:Rog probably isn't tapped in to see how many of our exactly broken his interview copy understood. I did think that there were some interesting things I want to highlight before we slide. You. Cool with that, right quick, sure, I think. Uh, joe rogan with the whole brand new heavies thing and playing the cool g rap song, I think that and the rikers thing, ag were the two big buy-ins. I'm glad that you bought up the rikers thing, but I think the the brand new Heavies thing and Ray being put on to a Cool G rap song by Joe Rogan, I think that kind of made Ray sit back and go like, oh, okay, like okay.
Speaker 1:I see you out here. I think, ray, referencing the movie Once Upon a Time in America is important, because I feel like the purple tape is kind of built like that way.
Speaker 3:That's what they built it off of. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It feels like the purple tape. As soon as you said that, I said that's the purple tape. Yeah, so like for those that haven't watched Once Upon a Time in America. I mean, he made some Scarface references a couple of times, but I think his motif as a writer is based off when he even said I'm into telling stories around this time when he's talking about making cream. I think that's that once upon a time in America. It's that slow, woven, intricate story. That's what he specializes in. It's one of his specialties as a writer. When he's breaking down the Wu Tang and explaining how like the Wu Tang got kicked out of Shaolin, like they were wild, they were the rebels, and how RZA based the whole thing actually on the uh, the shaolin versus wu-tang movie, which actually ended up being the name of one of ray's albums. I thought they were very insightful. Ray likes billy joel most of our rap icons billy joel's great.
Speaker 1:By the way, shout out to andrew for putting me on the more billy joel stuff. Um, shout out to Andrew for putting me on the more Billy Joel stuff. Andrew, most of our icons in this sphere listen to stuff outside of this sphere and admire other people outside of this sphere. So I thought that was encouraging to hear from somebody like Ray, because I think that's the type of thing that makes the people who follow Ray maybe want to expand their musical ear. I thought that was dope. Last but not least, when he said the beat is everything. When he said the beat is everything, I'm thinking like this is one of our best, like lyricists and storytellers saying like oh no, no, no, it don't work. It's like the beat don't work with it. I think that's just something that, like, we need to keep in mind about how much the beat matters and also, too, it's a group effort.
Speaker 1:When he's bringing up the cream verse, he's talking about raid and meth, like the dude from their neighborhood, raid who ended up going to prison, I guess, right, and so he's talking about that moment and how Kareem came together. And he's talking about that Tom and Jerry moment. Like most of these moments, they just come from like, like. Here's why people understand this, not not calling it the hood. Here's why, like the black neighborhood and the diaspora of it, is so important the intangible and inherent ideas that come out of it when he's explaining it and telling you these stories about how it's happening. You know it's not on some like oh, we sat down and just thought of it. It's conversational, it's happening, live.
Speaker 1:He's like cream. Why are you calling it cream? You know Tom and Jerry, with the sandwich stacked up where he put the cream on it. I want all that Like he's saying like on it. I want all that he's saying I want that big fat sandwich. You know what I'm saying? I want to eat good, I want all the cream. That's a moment. That's happening, live. That's real life. That's where the inspiration for it comes from. If you're not living in those circumstances, that inspiration doesn't exist. He's explaining how the poetry really comes to life. It was a beautiful thing, gentlemen. It really. Really was the Q-tip and Leo DiCaprio thing, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I heard that story before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole GZA turning down the Juice crew. That was wild. Odb wanted to be Biz Marquis Ray essentially doing the video treatment. The triumph with RZA. There were jewels all over this one. There were jewels all over this one. There were jewels all over this one. Okay, had a great time with that one. Gentlemen, we're going to slide to the next topic. We got new music down here in the A Lil Baby Wham. Who Hard Is Me.
Speaker 3:Awesome, that's crazy. I was about to say big pause.
Speaker 1:And you said that so effortlessly. Let's not extrapolate upon it further. No, let's not do that. Let's not do that at all. Let's not do that.
Speaker 2:Don's not do that at all. Don't even use the word strap Like.
Speaker 3:I don't want to say anything.
Speaker 1:Extra Super chats, super chats. Before we go any further, we need a break.
Speaker 3:We need a real pause.
Speaker 1:No, we need a real pause. We need a real pause for the super chats. Raising head $4.99 super chat. Appreciate you, raising head. Could you all give your top three hip hop interviews? Doggy Diamonds, Petey Crack interview is high on my list. Rayvon Crash Out, Joey in Trouble. Lord Vakai with the $1.99 super chat on that, with the Joey and Ray talk. We're going to get to that. Patience is power. We're getting to that. Ag going to get to that. Patience is power, we're getting to that AG.
Speaker 2:what are your thoughts on Wham? Oh, and just on that super chat, that'll take some thinking. We'll have to get back to you on that. On the interviews, man, because man, I'd have to take it back to the Rap City basement or UMTV Rap Days for the interview I was thinking about that Ice Cube interview that he did when he had the Afro Not the Jerry Curl interview but the Afro interview. Yeah, I just seen him on Twitter the other day with a little Richard hairstyle.
Speaker 3:He almost fell to my top 10 for that man. We don't want to smoke the ice cube.
Speaker 2:I saw that. No, but Q is my guy man, I love Q. Yeah, 73 is crazy.
Speaker 1:But no.
Speaker 2:Wham. All right, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:Got some wham from Ms Parker at 73. I ain't talking about that Sorry, all right.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, I'm going to try to say this and not be disrespectful, but I think that Lil Baby's fall off needs to be studied. Man Fall off needs to be studied. Man Fall off needs to be studied yes. Because, dude, you got to chill with the ice coupe.
Speaker 1:I'm stirring, I'm stirring the old fashioned.
Speaker 2:Lil Baby was supposed to be the next up after. You know, drake hung it up and stuff and Dude was blazing everything he was on and me and my son was listening to this album together and we both was just like man, this is really not it. And my son alluded to something that I hadn't really thought about, but he was right. He said Little Baby's better as a feature artist. You know what I'm saying. You check for him. He blazes everything he gets on, but he was like really for his own projects they're really not it.
Speaker 2:Like I'd rather put on a Gunna album you know what I'm saying ten times over than to put on a Lil Baby project. And this project wasn't really no different. Like the highlight maybe was when 21 said his little bar to Kendrick or whatever, but it really was nothing that I took away from this album after a couple of listens that I really rocked with and I hate to say that because I really thought Lil Baby was next up a handful of years ago, but I don't think that's the case now. Man, he's not on that list of guys that's going to carry the torch further after this current big three decides to call it quits.
Speaker 1:Sean, I'm going to let you go. Ag, I have some notes that are comparable to yours that I'm going to piggyback off of momentarily, but I'm going to let Sean go, cause even though Sean tries to play me as the hater of the show- I thought about this as I was flying home.
Speaker 3:I wanted to be very respectful. No, you didn't.
Speaker 1:It was insane. He's a liar.
Speaker 3:I'm going to tell you like this. This is how I felt when I was listening to it. I'm like I'm trying to find a reason to give something lightening and I find myself like thinking to myself like man, r&b is dead. That was the most random thought I had. That's how much I felt about.
Speaker 1:What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 3:Exactly. It had nothing to do with Lil Baby album. That's how I felt when I was listening to it. It had nothing to do with Lil Baby album. That's how I felt when I was listening to it. It had nothing to do with the album because I was like yo, r&b is dead. So I started finding myself listening to some R&B music. As I was flying, I stumbled on remember that song with Zayn and Taylor Swift I Don't Want to Live Forever. Remember that song.
Speaker 3:You know that song. Yeah, zayn left earth on that song, but anyhow, that's where I went to. I went to I don't want to live forever because I don't want to live in any pain and I don't want to feel forever because I just want to keep calling your name until you come back home. That's where I went to after listening to Lorde Babies, honestly, and the only thing that stand out to me was Future, yeah, Futureverse.
Speaker 3:And I realized, like yo, I'm a Future fan. I started I'm a Future fan and I wanted to hear more Future after I listened to Zayn and Taylor Swift, because I'm like baby, little baby is done. I don't think he can regain the momentum. He has an album coming out. He announced I think he had two more albums coming out, that he announced he's going to do the joint with Future. We'll see how that goes. He has something else coming out, To AG's point. I'm going to say this and pass it to you he was projected to be the one. He's still going to do numbers. I think he's projected to do 130.
Speaker 1:He is doing numbers.
Speaker 3:He's going to do numbers, yeah he is, that fan base still support him. I don't know if it's the production, I don't know if it's missing something else, but it's just not it. Fellas, for me it's not it. So again, cool. I know this is the A, you may have a different opinion on it, but I don't know. I think, aj, you're right. You might have to study that fall off a little baby, if it wasn't even a fall off.
Speaker 2:But that was the most scenic route explanation to get to. This is not it.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to be better in 2025. Y'all say I hate y'all, I be talking crazy.
Speaker 2:So I'm trying to do my best. The R&B Zayn, Taylor Swift. That's crazy just to get to Say that.
Speaker 3:They went crazy. You want to know what.
Speaker 1:That soliloquy by Sean. We should just call that the long road to hate.
Speaker 2:The road not taken. This is the long road to hate. This is a labyrinth.
Speaker 1:Sean went to a labyrinth, just to hate the road not taken. This is the long road to hate. This is the sequel. Actually this is the prequel to the sequel. The sequel coming soon, because you're going to hate some more in 2025.
Speaker 2:Bro went through a whole labyrinth just to say this, ain't it?
Speaker 1:He's going to have a whole trilogy and a whole series. He's going to have a box set before.
Speaker 2:Oh man, Sam Bowie.
Speaker 3:I did it for Sam Bowie David Bowie, over here. I did it for Tripan CJ man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, shout out to CJ. Okay, we're going to get to CJ's $5 Super Chat and then I'm going to tell you my thoughts. I hope this dub East versus West part two topic is the main event topic and not seven minutes, as I'm waiting on that topic like the New Year's ball drop. We got you, cj. Please sit tight, hey, cj.
Speaker 2:Man CJ time in our segments.
Speaker 1:Right Breathing exercises, brother Breathing exercises, shit. Okay, here's what I think. First off, I want to piggyback some of your dope points, ag. One of my notes was these dudes ostracizing Gunna in Atlanta is hurting the Atlanta music scene. It isn't my overall take of Atlanta music since this whole Gunna came home. I don't care what anybody says. The music in the city has not been as good for these artists down here from this generation, and him not being around has a large part to do with it. Whether you like it, love it or hate it, If we're talking about the music for this generation, he's the best artist to come out this city. That includes 21 Savage. That includes Lil Baby. That includes a post-prime thug Okay, so him not being part of these projects that we've been hearing from 21 and now from Lil Baby, like no, they got something to do with it. Don't tell me I've got nothing to do with it, because it don't sound the same.
Speaker 2:That's what my son was saying basically.
Speaker 1:It doesn't sound the same and you want to know what really doesn't sound the same.
Speaker 1:Well, sean, thank you for asking. I was about to get to it. Anyway. It's the production. Gunn is the best beat picker too. He's the best hook writer and the best beat picker. You're losing the best beat picker and the best hook writer from not even having gun around. It's not even about if he's on the track sometime. It's about having a guy like that around sometimes, like when you're working on your project and he and you're running stuff back for him and he like no, no, no. He's like no, no, no. Spit those rhymes, but spit them over that beat.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you this, cooper Are you talking about, as a comparison you're talking about the Benny and the Conway projects, when Westside doesn't have his fingerprints on those?
Speaker 1:No, this is what I mean about the fingerprints of it. I mean it on both sides. I mean it on the artist side and on that side. Not having him around on both sides is problematic. Okay, I got you. Even when he is featuring on this the artist side and on that side, Not having him around on both sides is problematic. Even when he is featuring on these albums, some of the higher level songs that are trending, that are moving, that are bangers guess who's on them?
Speaker 2:Not accidental.
Speaker 1:He's usually doing the hooks on the records.
Speaker 3:Is that not a problem within himself? Is that not a problem within himself? Is that not a problem within itself? Because now you're leaning on one entity to curate a strong sound for the entire region. Is that not a?
Speaker 1:problem. Everybody has somebody that's a leader in their region. It's just like how about this? Because of Thug and Future's presence. Nobody ever really gave it to Gunna like that because of the presence of it. Because here's the thing, you have to understand something. When TI's run in the city was over, he gladly told people it's like no, no, no. Future's like the king. Now you know what I'm saying. Future gladly tell you no, no, no. Thug the man. Now, Because of how all this unfolded, nobody's being like Gunna's the man. Now you feel me? Yeah, that's really what it is.
Speaker 2:I'm rocking with what you're saying, Coop, because even with Method man and his imprint on a lot of the Woo stuff, there's not a Woo album out there that doesn't have Method man on there. That's a classic.
Speaker 1:All the high-level classic Woo albums have Method man on them have.
Speaker 2:Method man in common, right?
Speaker 1:So you're kind of saying the same with Gunn, and their highest level albums have him featuring very like his best stuff is on their best albums. That's not an accident.
Speaker 2:Nah, I'm rolling, I'm rolling with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gunn is very much the same way. And AG you actually took one of my notes he is very much like method man was because this collective down here, this new era, has been very Wu Tang ish in terms of how they have kind of rolled separately but together and in their little clicks and combos and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But he's been the guy that kind of makes it pop pop. You know what I'm saying? Very much like meth. So it's like how about this? Well, you don't have a purple tape without an ice cream hook and a meth verse and another meth hook. No, you don't. You don't have a liquid swords without shadow boxing no, you don't. And that back and forth on living in the world today, is it a classic? Probably. Is it like top five in the purple tapes case case and top 20 in Liquid? No, it's not. It's not those things without meth. That's what's happening to a lot of people.
Speaker 2:It makes a difference.
Speaker 1:It makes a difference. It's that icing on top, because I'll tell you what this album isn't bad. And this is the next point that I want to bring up AG. When you talked about him as a feature artist, you know Jeezy's one of my favorite guys.
Speaker 1:I've been listening to TM103 a lot lately and I love 103, but my problem with 103 when it came out and the reason why I don't hold it as high as the Recession and 101 and why I still say it's his third best album, is because he needed the features to make it pop. The songs that have the features are the best records on 103 and Jeezy used to have a balance where he used to be great with the features and great with the solo shots and both. And on 103 it was the first time I heard the slippage where I was like, oh, the songs where it's really just you, they're not as strong anymore, right, and even the songs where somebody's singing the hook, it's hit or miss, like Leave you Alone with Ne-Yo, hit Trapped with Jill Scott. Eh, you know what I'm saying, and so I feel like some of that happened with this album. The best moments are when he has help which is dumb, dumb and dumber with Future and Thug Redbone with Glow.
Speaker 1:What's the joint with Trav? Stuff with Trav like the joint with 21. I used to say the Lil Baby was better than 21. The biggest problem with this project too, outside of the production on the other side of it is the fact that Lil Baby hadn't gotten any better guys. When I heard him and 21 rapping right next to each other four years ago, lil Baby was a better rapper than 21. It's four years later and 21 is clearly a better rapper than Lil Baby.
Speaker 2:21 has progressed. 21 is clearly a better rapper than Lil Baby.
Speaker 1:21 has progressed 21 is a progress. Lil Baby's flow, delivery, cadence approach. None of it has improved. Am I wrong in saying that? No, I'm with you.
Speaker 3:Your girl Glorilla, mopped him up on that.
Speaker 1:Sean. You know I got notes over here how you feel about I literally said I put Sean in parentheses. I got notes over here how you feel about I literally said I put Sean in parentheses. I said glow strikes again, sean. I put glow strikes again, sean. Yeah, I did. It's note number three on here, sean. I said glow strikes again, sean.
Speaker 3:Yes she did, she did, she mopped them up on the feature.
Speaker 2:She really did. She really did. She know how to make a banger man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she mopped him up. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So Thug's stunning on you. Future's stunning on you. Future's stunning on you. Glow's stunning on you. 21's stunning on you Trav you want to know what Trav is. Here's where Trav is most like Kanye. You're going into Trav's world, even if it's your album. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You going with Trav you?
Speaker 1:going with Trav, like you going with me, like where we going? You going with me, nigga, it's like it's my album, nigga, didn't nobody ask you that?
Speaker 3:You going with?
Speaker 1:Trav.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So Trav's stunting.
Speaker 2:Trav's stunting on him just stylistically wise, because he like, yeah, we still going to do my shit. You know what I'm saying? We gonna do me on your album. Yeah, we going like that. But that's a bad place to be in when the best part of your album is like everybody else that's on it.
Speaker 1:You don't have any shining moments, so that's the problem that's the problem so I'll say this it's like it's not a bad project, but if he doesn't have these features, I would tell you it's a bad project and I find that part about it to be problematic. Yeah, but if he doesn't have these, features.
Speaker 3:I would tell you it's a bad project and I find that part about it to be problematic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, R&B is dead. I can't with this dude man. Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:That's why nobody likes you.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying it's dead man. R&b is dead. R&b is dead man.
Speaker 1:Let's go to the next topic. Unless y'all got something else, no, all right. So Young Noble from the Outlaws released Euthanasia, a scathing seven-minute and ten-second diss towards the guy that all three of us concur is the greatest MC of all time. Now I want to be very journalistic with how I approach it, so I'm going to ask a question before we go any further, if I may. Is that okay? Sure, is this all about a Hennessy line at the end of a rap song? Please tell me it's rap song. Please tell me that it's. Please tell me it's something deeper, please tell me. Please tell me Nas was like at a show in Cali or at one of his cribs in Cali, or like at a hotel in Beverly Hills and like they had a run in and it didn't go well and like tell me, tell me, like, tell me something really happened. Tell me it wasn't the Hennessy line.
Speaker 2:If you don't mind, sean, may I go Please? He's citing a few things. He's citing the inconsistencies with people's stories, with the incident at Bryant Park a few days before Pac's death, where Nas and Tupac met up as generals and, you know, squashed the beef and they was supposed to take. You know the disses uh, against nas off of macavel, yada, yada, yada. Um, it's a lot of different accounts. Um, snoop has an account which nas itself has said nah, he had it wrong. Um, we've heard outlaws account, we've had heard wiz, we've heard jungle, we've heard naz. It's, this story has a lot of lore behind this, one of hip-hop's more you know, uh, fabled stories. But at the end of the day, to have an opinion on that, and there's somebody behind the events of that, when you was just playing the back and was operating off somebody else's orders, you wasn't one of the generals up in the front. You know what I'm saying, calling the shots, you was just going to operate on somebody else's orders. I think it's just totally asinine, especially to do it 30 years later. And he's citing stuff that Nas said off of, you know, the cure on King's disease, one, you know I saw Pac's belly. You know I'm not going to say he bit off my chain I'm paraphrasing because I copied his stomach, you know. Um, so he's saying that not, uh, pock had his macaveli chain first, which is, if you look at history it's untrue. Um, I think this started on the art of dialogue where they were interviewing young noble and they came to the conclusion that nas didn't have his qb piece until 1999 when the QB's finest album dropped.
Speaker 2:But we go back to 96. It Was Written, was released when the beginning of July 2000, I'm sorry, the beginning of July 1996. There's a Rap City interview out with Big Les where Destiny is sitting on Nas' lap. During the interview they're at a restaurant. Nas clearly has the QB piece on and then it was written it's going to be released. They're talking about the release of the album. So that's, you know, a moment in time that actually exists, that shows that he had this in June or July of 96 and then Pac was killed in September of 96. So Noble is insisting that Nas saw Pac's piece and then, you know, copied him. But that's neither here nor there. But the funny thing is he lost me at the line. I see through you like pee, pee and doo doo that, that, that line right there. We got to use that for the bar seminar.
Speaker 3:What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:All jokes aside, for this to be seven minutes and you holding on to this BS for 30 years and you doing this for seven minutes, that's just insane and crazy to me. And I tried to wrap around my head, like wrap my head around Sorry, what would. Why would he do this?
Speaker 2:Because it's easy to say, okay, he's right, but that's the easy way out that's the easy way out, yep but I came into a legitimate answer that I think rings true, and we're going to get to this in a minute. We're seeing, we've seen a resurgence of the west coast after the Kendrick and Drake battle and then, you know, some things have awakened with East and West tension. We're going to talk about it, joey going at the West Coast, some West Coast responding. So why not jump on this wave and diss one of the East Coast most prominent artists, arguably the GOAT? I'm from the. You know what I'm saying. Well, noble isn't even from the West Coast, let's get that clear. First, he's from Jersey but he represents.
Speaker 1:Hold on AG. So are you saying that this is some art of war going on right now?
Speaker 2:That's the only thing I can come up with. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
Speaker 1:They're like hold on. They're like, since we winning, we going to burn the village. That's what we doing, that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2:But that's why. That's why it's nasty, because he's from Jersey. But ever since they used to ride with pot and I give outlaws more credit than most people do, most people didn't even want the Outlaws on them songs back then on Machiavelli and All Eyes on Me they would fast forward past the Outlaws parts.
Speaker 1:To be honest with you, it hurts the classic status of both of those projects, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Right, but they align themselves with the West Coast, even though they're Jersey cats. So I really think that they're trying to ride this west coast wave and dissing one of new york's most prominent artists. I think that's what's happening right now, because why else would you be bringing up something so petty after 30 years?
Speaker 1:can I ask you something? Do you think that there is actually a monetary gain to be had for?
Speaker 2:this. No, and dude, look, he disabled the comments on all his socials, on his YouTube video, on his IG, he disabled the comments. So it's just listen, think about it, it's almost damn near 30 years addressing an event that's 30 years old. And you tell the person you're addressing they got 24 hours to respond and you're 30 years too late. And tell the person you're addressing they got 24 hours to respond and you 30 years too late. And then you don't want to take the backlash of your diss record and you disable comments so the fans can't tell you how they really feel about it.
Speaker 1:come on dog. These niggas is super old, they 50 something like. My first thought was was like real talk, told to be doing this shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, and and drop the young off your name, bro. You are not young, noble anymore. I don't even know if you're noble, you're not. Neither You're not young and you're not noble. But this, 30 years after an event that took place, that's just wild to me, bro.
Speaker 1:How about this. If we want to talk about somebody actually making an impact for the West and trying to checkmate the gate some, then let's talk about our next topic, which is TDE's, Ray Vaughn's, LA Leaker's freestyle this ain't it. This ain't it.
Speaker 2:I really shouldn't have gave it that much Attention.
Speaker 1:But I don't want to give it any more.
Speaker 3:Way too much attention.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Trash.
Speaker 1:Okay, so LA Leakers Freestyle by TDE's Ray Vaughn. Um, gentlemen, you mind If I kick this off, actually go ahead um, I have some, some hip-hop thoughts.
Speaker 1:Before we get into the ray versus joey talk, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of like digress to you all for some of the ray and joey talk because I just want to kind of fundamentally go over some things. First of all, I did this. I did find this freestyle to be impressive. It is the West sticking the chest out. I feel like the West has a battery in his back right now. I think it is reflecting in how the MCs are showing up and showing out right now.
Speaker 1:I think that that's a real thing. It's momentum, just like when we talk about basketball and football and baseball teams and how momentum carries. This is a momentum moment that carries because it's like, oh no, like you can tell he's got the fervor in the fire right now and then you can tell that the city's on fire and that he's on fire about it, you know, and so I like that part about it. There is something about him as an MC that comes off something like Meek Mill to me which makes me worry. Like he knows how to ride the beat but he kind of like raps over the beat and I don't know if he knows how to rap through the beat yet, but we gonna find out soon. But he is talented.
Speaker 2:It was impressive do you think that was the selection? Because I mean it's over the heart, part six.
Speaker 1:So he chose. You get to choose that stuff, he choosing, he the one that's choosing to it. Yeah, and I wasn't even talking about the one where he's rapping over the hard part six. I was really more talking about his approach and that's where I heard the meek in it when he was rapping over the feeling in the air.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, no, I was talking about the joint where he's addressing Joey over the hard part six.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. I mean I mean we can get to that part. I kind of wanted to just to address like kind of something like the rap part of it, because I did hear, like you know, see, and the West is shining right now, it does need to be like acknowledged and recognized.
Speaker 2:But what did you think joey should respond? I like it, um, and you know, last episode we talked about weight class, right with with this records, and I saw a lot of people responding like, yo, we don't want to hear from you, like you know, you coming off the bench, we want to hear what kendrick gotta say about what joey said, but then we spent all last episode debating if joey was in kendrick's weight class, right, you know? So, um, as far as uh, we'll get to daylight in a minute, but as far as, like rayvon and daylight versus joey for, like you know, a low-key undercard battle, that's something I would like to see. You know what I mean, because, let's be honest, I don't think kendrick's going to respond.
Speaker 1:Hold, on undercard battle to what? What we just saw with drake's.
Speaker 2:Be honest, I don't think Kendrick's going to respond. Hold on underpowered battle to what? What we just saw with Drake and Kendrick, because I don't think Kendrick responds to this. You know to what Joey said. So I think this is. You know, the people that's coming out right now. I think that's what we got. You know to look forward to a little back and forth with Daylightvon joey if he responds back because drake's star shines so bright.
Speaker 1:the joey kendrick thing is still interesting to me only from the perspective that the information that kendrick probably has access to about drake he doesn't have that same access with joey fair, and so where is he going to draw the inspiration from? I told you, like I don't care what people say, this post to Pimple Butterfly has been Kendrick's biggest stroke of inspiration. It's just based on another person and not liking them and them not liking each other, for a while.
Speaker 2:quite frankly, yeah, if you got this day for somebody right.
Speaker 1:Where are you pulling your inspiration from? Quite frankly, I don't give two fucks about. You know what I'm saying? I really don't. I don't care because, like art is art at the end of the day, when you pull it from is where you pull it from, and if that's the place you got to pull it from, is where you pull it from, and if that's the place you gotta pull it from, like it is what it is.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying is that, well, there's not as much inspirational space and place to pull it from with Joey, because there's not as much access, there's not as much thread on the tires, there's not as much rumor mill, there's not as much date and kid and girl and age gossip and all that stuff. So what are you going to do if Joey really steps to you and makes like, let's say, joey was to drop something not stillmatic freestyle level, but comparable like something that made you go, ooh, be like, oh, that's that's like something. Remember when you heard the stillmatic freestyle? It's something that made you go like that's the Nas that I fuck with. What if Joey drops a diss record like that where it makes you go, oh no, that's the Joey that I, that's the dude I get down with Hold on, kendrick, hold on.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. I hear you, but that door swings both ways, because with the Stillmatic Freestyle it was true disdain for Jay there. We don't know if Joey got true disdain for Kendrick See don't.
Speaker 3:He never said that.
Speaker 1:See, that's why I don't like these new guys as much. Muster some shit up, okay.
Speaker 2:But you can, if it's not there.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:Jordan with the LeBron for Smith.
Speaker 1:Look here.
Speaker 3:You can't, because what you're fighting for, honestly what you're going after, because I'm going to read off what CJ the Kid just sent me. He said he can't send any more money this week.
Speaker 2:Yo, you said more than enough, bro, we appreciate. Appreciate it for real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we appreciate that, CJ.
Speaker 3:CJ thanks for the 50 piece man Daylight, ray Vaughn, jason Martin Wolf, stoic Lit Poppy, mexican Guy, with all responses. These are all the artists who has responded to Joey in some capacity. I don't know half of those guys, really more than 95% of them. I don't know who they are and nothing really hits hard. Nothing stands out because it doesn't have that oomph behind it. It doesn't have a real situation behind it.
Speaker 3:Think about it, guys, when we saw remember the street war battles on the mixtapes, the street tapes, mixed wars, all the mixed wars, and you have our four mixtapes that had nothing but diss records on people going back and forth at each other, there was some oomph behind it. There was some real stuff behind it because there was some disdain for each other. Either it was on a competitive level or it was on a personal level. Whatever the case may be, like you said, coop, earlier, you don't have a lot on Joey. I think one of them said like you got 24 hours to respond, or maybe he's not going to respond because he's shooting something for power. That's all you got. That's all you got on Joey.
Speaker 3:So it'd be behooved for Joey not to come back out and say, okay, if I threw the bait out there. If it was bait, I need to come out and take everybody out, but specific ones, not Stoic or Lil Lady Poppy or whoever no disrespect, but go after the names that people know across the board, because if you're not doing that, you're just throwing shots in the wind. It doesn't mean anything. Hip-hop is competitive, but it got to make sense. This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:That's why I found the control verse so fascinating, because, to your point, sean, it did seem like shots in the wind. Because Kendrick was coming with competitive fervor. He named names that everybody you know hold high. You know marquee names and none of those marquee names really responded. It was mostly the guys that nobody cared to hear from, that took offense and was responding to it. So is that what we're seeing all over again with this, you know, with the responses to Joey?
Speaker 3:I have various Everyone trying to get the jump off. Now this is my chance to show that I'm a lyricist, that I can rhyme, because now the spotlight is on me, Because without this I'm not getting this kind of attention. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing Joey is big enough that he's crafted a lane for himself long enough that this move does feel like a more competitive move, because he doesn't really need the cloud. He is good where he's at.
Speaker 3:Right, he's good, he's a talented guy, right.
Speaker 1:He's got motion, guys. He's got enough going on, right, right, he's got motion guys, he's got enough going on, right.
Speaker 3:Let me ask y'all this Do y'all know who Ray Vaughn was before he made this record? Do you know a couple of tracks from him? Do you know his catalog?
Speaker 1:No, not deep, but I know who he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know who he was. I wasn't into his catalog like that, but I've heard him once in a while.
Speaker 1:Hey Sean, he's one of those guys that if I feel like if I was out in Cali I would have probably known who he was, probably like two years ago probably.
Speaker 3:Right. This is the most anyone put a talk about him in any capacity. Well, mission accomplished.
Speaker 2:Mission accomplished, but, like you said, it's levels to it. Like you said, last show we was questioning if Joey was on Kendrick's level to be going to him. So now we, just a week later, questioning if Ray Vaughn is on Joey's level to be going to him.
Speaker 1:So I mean, we definitely can't put him on Joey's level just based on a freestyle.
Speaker 2:But Daylight on the other hand. Daylight I checked for.
Speaker 1:But I was about to say, but we didn't think Common was on Cube's level when he made the bitch in you. That's a very good point. That's a very good point. No, we did not.
Speaker 3:But we found out, we fucked around and we found out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did, we all did, collectively as a hip-hop community. We were like who we were, like the dude that made I Used to Love Her. It's like stop playing, yeah.
Speaker 2:That guy, that's right.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 1:You want to know what? Yeah, we're going to get to the super chats. You know, I kind of feel like this Remember that scene from the Godfather where Clemenza is like you know, like this war is healthy, like we need to do this like every seven to 10 years to get the bad blood out. It's like no, like in rap. It's like I kind of was feeling like the day. It's like yeah, it's like, but we kind of need to do this, though, like this is like people don't understand this is based on battling. I don't care, it's based on battling, I don't care, it's based on battling, it was who threw in the best block party.
Speaker 1:Who the best break dancer, who's the best b-boy, who's the best graffiti artist? Who's the best DJ? Who's the best MC? It's been competitive fervor from the jump. The whole competitive fervor was created to prevent violence from happening in our communities.
Speaker 2:That's why.
Speaker 1:I love hip-hop so much, like when I became Like I've always loved hip-hop, but when I was educated on the fact that hip-hop From people from New York like, who were there, like from the Bronx, from Brooklyn, from Queens, from Manhattan, from Long Island, from Staten Island it's from Brooklyn, from Queens, from Manhattan, from Long Island, from Staten Island told me no, coop, that's the shit that we did so that I didn't have to slice a motherfucking neck open with a knife, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's like no, put the knife down. We about to brick dance right now. I seen you up at such and such and such on fucking fourth and fucking. You know what I'm saying. You know how to dance. We dancing this shit out. Put the knife away. You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:So the competitive fervor is based on it being productive and healthy to get all that angst that exists in our community out in a healthy way. We just have to be so mindful of it because of the Biggie and Tupac thing, because outside of the Biggie and Tupac thing and of the Biggie and Tupac thing and briefly, with Game and 50, it's actually been healthy. Like there have been instances, like there's the 50 job, like there's instances. But that happens in every aspect of music. You know how many of these rock stars and motherfucking party did cocaine, fuck the same girls and fought each other about it? I went to a concert where I paid to see Maxwell and Erykah Badu and Jill Scott came out because Maxwell had a problem because he felt like Erykah was stealing the show. I said all of you niggas owe me money. Yeah, these are good seats. I know, because I'm sitting next to all the dope boys and I know, I know the seats good, I want my money.
Speaker 2:R&B died when Sean breakdanced battled Sisko in a club.
Speaker 3:Come on, man, really, are you going to do that?
Speaker 1:No, that sounds about right. Hey, hold on, All jokes aside, I don't know how we keep on getting to Sisko in the show. You know Sisko comes into one of my jobs. I getting to Cisco in this show. You know Cisco comes into one of my jobs. I've been taking care of Cisco for years.
Speaker 2:He's a really, really nice guy he is. That's why I keep telling you no, no, no.
Speaker 3:I'm not joking or exaggerating when I'm saying that Cisco is a really nice guy when you see him. Facetime me next time you see him.
Speaker 1:Knowing your nefarious behavior, that's what I won't be doing. But as far as platinum and multi-platinum selling artists go one of the nicest guys that you'll ever meet, like during Christmas there'll be years where he'll come through the job and the people who have like the hourly jobs that don't make as much as like my job. He'll hand all of them like $100 bills for like the holidays and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we humbled him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me go over Sean Tello himself, but to your point. To your point, though. That's why I like Daylight's response to Joey better, because that let's get to that briefly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that was centered more around like he led with love. You know what I'm saying. It's like okay, I see you, I hear you, but we got, we at the on the West Coast, we got the belt right now. You know, y'all had it for a time. So you just got to recognize when we have it or you know, we can square up and battle it out, you know. So Daylight's response was more. So Daylight's response was more on that tip Like yo just, you know, tip your cap to us because we got it right now. You know what I mean. Y'all had it and I showed the East Coast love. But you know what I'm saying, just recognize what we're doing. So that's why I like his response better.
Speaker 2:But you know, and I'm glad y'all alluded to the previous battles where it got out of hand and it becomes coastal, and I gotta take my hat off to Sean. Like in the earliest stages of the Drake and Kendrick battle he said, like you know this was after the TaylorMade freestyle. He's like I don't like where this is going, because this is going to become a West Coast versus you know whatever kind of thing, and once those lines are drawn it gets dicey. So Sean said that months ago, like leading into the summer, and we were here now Right and um. You look back at previous battles, like you know, big and pop, you know Nas and Jay didn't go outside of Queens and Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying, because that was a battle for New York supremacy and like you know their placement all the time. But when you get people from different regions, you get all these people throwing their two cents in that don't even really belong. You know what I'm saying. So that's kind of where it is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So that that's kind of where I feel. I feel like doz and jay's beef is transcendent, because it happened right at the moment in time where hip-hop had become a multi-million dollar entity for the mc has. Then you have a multitude of rappers going multi-platinum for the first time, not just a handful of guys. It's like, oh well, no, no, I've got multi-platinum for the first time, not just a handful of guys. It's like, oh well, no, nas got multi-platinum plaques, jay got them, ja Rule got them, nelly got them, ludacris got them, jeezy got them, ti got them, wayne got them, game sold 5 million records, 50 sold 10 million records. M selling all these wild records. It was a glorious time Puff and Bad Boy selling six, seven million records off no Way.
Speaker 2:Out.
Speaker 1:Even the Lox going platinum DMX selling three, four, five, you know, like that had never happened before In 1992, the only motherfuckers going multi-platinum Ice Cube Snoop and Dre. Next Ice Cube Snoop and Dre. Ice Cube Snoop and Dre. Next, ice Cube, snoop and Dre. Ice Cube, snoop and Dre, like that whole early mid-90s thing, that 92 to 94, it's like multi platinum guys.
Speaker 2:Another time the West had it.
Speaker 1:Not gold, not platinum Multi. I'm telling 2, 3, 4, 5.
Speaker 2:But are we really mad that the West got it right now? Because that's at a time where they had it? Then they had to sit through the East Coast and then the South having their reign. So if they got it now, it's been two decades plus since they had the belt.
Speaker 1:Okay, you want to know what's funny about this, and this is what I mean. It's funny that we did this Rey interview and now we're talking about this West thing. Let's keep it honest with the West thing. When we're talking about the West much like when we talk about the head, and the head is Kendrick Kendrick winning this battle is really the thing that's putting the West over the top with this.
Speaker 2:He galvanized them, he galvanized the West. But I told Sean, remember I called you the morning that the TaylorMade freestyle came out and I said, outside of the AI aspect of it, I said him bringing Pac and Snoop in it. You know, and all that, saying all that stuff about the West Coast, was the worst and most stupidest thing he could do.
Speaker 3:Remember, I said that Unified, yep, unified them. He helped whatever issues they had. They'd push it to the side and say it's time to click up, and you can't have that with a region that still has pride, because the East Coast you're only thinking about new york, where it's at the expense. Where's philly, philly? Jump in right, I mean part of the east coast. So I mean it. Just, you got a whole, a whole coast, a city at this point, right, even with drake. Drake is kind of all over the place.
Speaker 1:So you're not from new york right? He's all over the place. Drake's not from New York, he's all over the place.
Speaker 3:So it's not like he has a specific origin other than shout out to Canada or whatever Toronto. That's about it. You want to know what it is.
Speaker 1:And people don't really talk about this ever. And this is what I mean about how Drake has hip-hop tendencies. Well, he spent most of his career rapping over 40 beats. 40 beats are definitely very much RZA and Havoc inspired guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say more. Kanye 808s are inspired.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because Kanye did to control a lot of that.
Speaker 1:That still goes back to RZA.
Speaker 2:to me, though, yeah, Kanye off RZA tree.
Speaker 3:The style was so blended that it didn't have origin.
Speaker 1:The Chop Soulful sample. To me, you know what I'm saying. The choppiness of it is RZA. So when you're talking about the Chop Soul sample that Kanye does well, that's RZA. If you're just talking about a horn soul sample, that's Pete Rock. You know what I'm saying. But if you're talking about chopping it and freaking it and playing with it, that's RZA to me. But like we talk about, like chopping it and freaking it and like playing with it, that's RZA to me, you know. So even if it is Kanye, it's still like off that RZA tree.
Speaker 3:And so it's.
Speaker 2:East Coast sounding is what I'm saying. But Joey's stance on the West Coast, I think would be more appropriate if the victim, like you just said, coop Drake's not from New York, drake's from Canada. So, joey Stance, I think would be more appropriate if the victim was an East Coast rapper.
Speaker 3:But that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's what I mean about the competitive fervor. It's just like no, he's from New York and he just don't like that shit.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:I liked it, he don't like it. That's what I mean. Yeah, that's because hip hop is like. Based on that, it's like no, I don't, I don't like that. They think that they better than me. Like what up? Squabble up, squabble up.
Speaker 3:It's not like even in the West Coast. East Coast beat back in the 90s. Pop was the.
Speaker 1:You don't think squabble up is a low key Shit talking song to the East Coast. You don't think Squabble Up is a low-key shit-talking song to the East Coast. Though you don't think it's a low-key, a little bit of a battle cry, squabble Up.
Speaker 2:I've never looked at it like that.
Speaker 3:I don't see it like that. I don't think that's Kendrick's intention.
Speaker 1:See some of my people. They're talking away. It's like oh nigga, you got a problem, you want to squab. You know what I'm saying. So when you're saying something like that, when you're saying squabble up, it's like who they talking squabble up to. They ain't talking about other niggas on the West.
Speaker 2:But I think Kendrick got too much love for the East Coast to like you know what I'm saying be in that mode.
Speaker 3:He has a lot of chops in the East. He's not going to do that.
Speaker 1:He his most West album and never understate his West Coast tendencies. His West Coast tendency is his West birth. What is still his best album, in my opinion? In Good Kid Mad City. His West Coast tendencies are strong when he chooses them. It's what he does best, in my opinion, guys, when he's on his West Coast shit, that's when he's at his best to me.
Speaker 2:But to play devil's advocate I mean going back to the control verse he did spark a little controversy on the East Coast when he said I'm the king of New York. You know he was quoting the corrupt line. You know I have both coasts one in each hand. Juggle them both. You know what I'm saying. So he was paraphrasing corrupt. But a lot of people came at him over that. Who didn't? Did he go at him over that line about being the King of New York back then?
Speaker 3:So yeah, again, hip hop became too ubiquitous across the nation. Everything was blurred. Did you slide? Ubiquitous in.
Speaker 1:Did you slide it in? Did you slide it in?
Speaker 3:Ubiquitous.
Speaker 1:My vocabulary is ridiculous sometimes that was nice, that was very well woven, I was impressed.
Speaker 2:Slang is editorial. You know who that is Coop. Explicit material.
Speaker 1:See, we progress. Much like the song we fall down, we fall down, but we get up. We fall down, but we get up.
Speaker 3:But this is the first time we've seen lines drawn in hip-hop Because it needs to happen. It needs to happen. This town is so blended now. Everything is even. Like you said. This is the first time in a long time that Kendrick made a West Coast. Sign it out.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's 2012. He is the West Coast.
Speaker 3:yes, it's 2012 he is 13 years. We got a lot of super chats. We got a lot of super chats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're coming through it's not just Mad Max. There's people better than Mad Max. Mad Max with the 999 super chat. Rayvon, this was weak, he wasn't on beat. And Joey, this was weak because how you use Old Hoove and Nas bar to dis the coast but sneak this dot, laugh my ass off trash. Okay, See, wonder why I treat Mad Max the way I do. Stop that, Lord of a guy. For 99 juicy J project. Pat fit the mold. 38 special graph rock paper scissors new hot it's a lot.
Speaker 2:It's a lot to fit in there.
Speaker 1:We're gonna have to break that down. Hold on juicy j, project pat, fit the mode, 38 special graph rock paper scissors. Okay, that's two projects. Two projects sounds like two projects. Sounds like like Juicy J and Project Pat have a project called Fit the Mode and 38 Special and Graf have a project called Alright, good lord, we up here doing hieroglyphics up in this piece. Cj the Kid appreciate you, brother. $5. Super chat Company man said a remix to Ray's Crash Out song. Two NYC MCs and a female MC to step out for the East. Who do you guys think the female MC is? Last one Probably Che.
Speaker 3:You think it's Che I like Che she got the?
Speaker 1:chops. I like her competitive further because she's the one that really like. It's one thing to talk like you're better than a male-dominated specter. It's another thing to really feel that way. She is the female MC that I feel like feels that way the most when she raps. Do you know what I'm saying? Where she's like I don't care who, if it's Ransom or Kyle, I'm better than all these dudes. Anyway, she's the one that gives that vibe off the most for me. Scarlett.
Speaker 2:Can I ask y'all a question Are we doing super chats?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, we still have more Mad Max, mad Max you got to jump more Coop we're going to call it Max Canal. Where did I jump?
Speaker 3:EJ got one in Lord, I'll pull it up. Can you see this?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, ray Vaughn crashed out. Joey is in trouble. Lord Vakai, cj the Kid, I hope this dubbed East versus West. No, no, no, we read that. You got the one before that right, no, no, no, the five dollar one with CJ the kids. Yeah, I hope we read that one before we read that one yeah, the company man.
Speaker 1:I just read that one. That was the one where we just talked about the female MCs. So yeah, mad Max, $9.99 AG. No one in New York standing with Joey, bro, the west can cook him. We don't love Joey like that. Now, if Pop Smoke was alive and a better wordsmith, or Rocky was more lyrical, yeah, we stand by them, not Joey. Mad Max speaking for the East Coast, east Coast, stand up. Somebody other than Mad Max tell me this shit. Mad Max West don't have anything. You have to have the sound of hip hop to run it. The South has that still, so they still king. Nobody bumped the West Coast artists like that. Ooh, what do you think about?
Speaker 2:that.
Speaker 1:Nobody bumps the West Coast artists like that.
Speaker 2:I think that's changed. I think in 2024 that changed.
Speaker 1:But that's what I was going to ask you guys. I feel like the climate is different this year for it.
Speaker 2:That's what I was going to ask you guys. The last time the West was galvanized that I can remember was when Game dropped the documentary in 05. I know you talked a lot Coop about being in Cali when that dropped, but it's almost like they couldn't get behind it as much because one 50 Cent is backing that product, so it's still not fully West Coast. You got Dre at the helm, you got 50 cent at the helm and you got game rapping like naz jay-z and you know he's mimicking east coast artists. So do you think, like kendrick just got lightning in a bottle, galvanizing the west now behind this album, something that, like game, couldn't do as much because it's not, as true blue west coast?
Speaker 1:the documentary AG and I know I'm not trying to say this so that people are going to call me a hater and I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying this the documentary sounds and feels more west coast than anything Kendrick has ever made in his life, and that's just what it is, in the way it is, and even for what's going on. I will tell you, I was around, I did go to Cali when section 80 came out or around the time that it came out, and it was pretty heavy. And it was pretty heavy and it was pretty crazy. But I'm going to tell you what it was crazy about. It was more crazy about people talking about LA feeling like they had an MC that, lyrically, mc wise could take the crown. And if we're talking lyrically, mc wise, the only person from the West coast to ever have the crown lyrically as an MC, is ice cube.
Speaker 1:And so the talk about Kendrick that I was receiving when I was in LA around section 80 had more to do with the fact that they felt like they had a guy much like ice cube, that it's like well, bring me your best East Coast guy, because he's just as good as that guy right now, and they hadn't had that, like they had Snoop and they've had guys, but Snoop's not the guy for that. Kendrick is a guy for the West, very much like Andre 3000 is for the South, where it's like oh no, who's your best guy, because I got a guy that can fuck with him on the mic, so bring it on. That was the talk when the game shit was on fire. That was about those records being on fire.
Speaker 1:guys, those records were on fire like that and the west was loving and feeling those records. And even though 50 was involved, you can tell dr dre's hands were on that project. It was crazy start, start to finish. Even the way that some of the records sound programming-wise from the other artists.
Speaker 1:It's like no the other artists don't normally program their drums that way. No, that's Dre. I'm reprogramming those drums or letting the producer know that we're changing this, or I'm doing this with it. You know what I'm saying? The executive production on the documentary is is better than any Kendrick project and the beats are better than Angie Kendrick project and if we're talking about classic songs, it also beats Kendrick on classic songs. I prefer me. I will tell you good kid mad city might be a better project than the documentary. It's not by much. If it is in. The documentary has the better records I think where the difference is.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the product and the. You know the projects, right, I think with kendrick and you alluded to it, with the andre 3000 and the south comparison is more so. The person as a representative that like, okay, everybody can get behind this person versus game, is not that guy.
Speaker 1:Like how about this? The West getting behind game has like the guy to tote around would be us probably trying to tote around a, a, a cool breeze or a killer mic. Is our best guy. Like on the mic. Like on the mic. It's like oh no, I know he's, I'm not even talking about rapping.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about, like, what you represent, like who you. You know what I'm saying. It's like oh, no, no, no. If we talk about what?
Speaker 1:it represents the game's an appropriate representative. What I'm trying to tell you is that the West Coast niggas low-key, really do, and I know this from being out there. They like niggas who can rhyme. They like their gangsta shit, but they like dudes that can rhyme.
Speaker 2:But I mean image-wise. The antics is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. The documentary is game before the antics, though, so you really don't.
Speaker 3:They're going to clash at the same time because by the time that album dropped, remember him and 50 had a big falling out, like right at the beginning of the dropout. Because, Coop, I think you and I both were in Diego around that same time.
Speaker 2:I was in Diego when that album dropped and they had him on the Dayton show and all that stuff, like, yeah, that was all around that time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because it was so much storyline around the game. At it was saying the son of Eazy-E, then it was saying like the protege of Dr Dre, because they were on different billboards together in Cali when I was out there and there was a lot of energy around Game.
Speaker 3:There was a lot of energy, but I also think there was a lot of hesitation because if you think about that production of documentary, it doesn't sound like a traditional West Coast album, because you had beats from Just Blaze, you had Timbaland, so you had Kanye on there and those were the singles. Those were the lead singles.
Speaker 1:But this is what I'm saying Okay, okay, oh no. So, but this is what I'm saying Okay, so, this is okay, oh no, that's what. That's what they wasn't playing, that when we was out there, sean, they was playing where I'm from with Nate dog.
Speaker 3:You were on every where I'm from where.
Speaker 1:I'm from. Hold on, hold on, listen to what I'm saying. This is what I mean about how the West coast is different when I'm from. Hold on, listen to what I'm saying. This is what I mean about how the West Coast is different when I'm from, with Nate Dogg in 2005, when the documentary is dropping, is a dope record on a classic rap album. To the hip-hop populace as a whole, to the West Coast, it was the shit they was riding around to all day, to the point that they had to put it on the shit they was riding around to all day, to the point that they had to put it on the radio every other hour.
Speaker 1:I was hearing that song the documentary has a few joints like that, don't worry, with Mary J Blige on the radio in Cali all the time. So when you're talking about those other records it's like, oh no, those records exist. But I was out there in Cali, those records was playing, but they was playing the other records too. So Game had about 7-8 records playing on the radio in Cali, and I'm not exaggerating oh no, I believe you was out there, so you know listen Game in 2005.
Speaker 1:Had Dreams, hate it or Love it? Put you On the Game how we Do Hire. Don't Worry when I'm From. Those were all playing on the radio when Cali had the same goddamn time In rotation, in rotation.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So when people are talking about Kendrick it's like, oh no, kendrick got seven tracks on what album playing in Cali all the time at what? And I'm missing a couple records, guys I didn't bring up. Put you On the Game. That's eight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that joints a finger Running With Yayo.
Speaker 1:Running With Yayo was playing out there, that's not, but that's one.
Speaker 2:those are joints, all in rotation on the documentary. But here's what's funny though, because during that time my first introduction to the game and the most west coast sounding record that he was on was on the east coast artist record, which was jim jones certified gangsters. That was the most west coast.
Speaker 1:Didn't alchemist do that beat?
Speaker 2:I don't know who did the production, but that was the most west coast sounding thing. The game was on and it was the east coast artist. You know what I'm saying. But that was west west, right there, and that was my first introduction in the game.
Speaker 1:Uh, to game on certified gangsters I, I left atlanta at the height of gz's buzz and moved to cali at the height of games buzz and it was virtually no drop off, guys. It was like, like, like, like, like, culturally I had to understand how the buzzes works, but when I look back on and reflect on it, it was no drop off and jesus buzz is the biggest buzz atlanta has ever seen and that's saying a lot, guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he's the best that ever came out of here and I love me some jesus. But if we want to talk about buzz in this city, oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's Jeezy. Everybody else second place. Jeezy's buzz in the city was like nothing this city's ever seen. When I went to Cali and seen the same, shit was going on in Game.
Speaker 1:I was like damn, jeezy is out here. That's how I looked at him. I was like he's like California Jee. Another artist that I was getting down with, that I was trying to link with it, was from Compton. It kind of even sounded like game. He was influenced in the culture. Yeah, it was a real thing. So let's kind of flip to the other side. So we got Drake just fighting Irish freestyle that UMG and YouTube is taking down Sean now although I'm one hater of the year and you are definitely runner up no, no, no you're not.
Speaker 3:You're not.
Speaker 1:AG has the Lord in the mountains and the snow of West Virginia on his side, he's going to be all right.
Speaker 3:That's right thing, man. That's right Ice King, right Ice King.
Speaker 1:That's very disrespectful.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:But YouTube and UMG are they first and second for hater of the year for taking taking drink shots to LeBron, like just pretty much. They were like, oh you suing us. No, you trying to get money over here on YouTube. No, you trying to run up a check. You gonna get 30, 40, 50 million views.
Speaker 3:You not, you not you not gonna?
Speaker 1:you not gonna make 100 bands on YouTube, nigga? No, we're not giving you Louis Vuitton money, you're not going to drop this money on strippers in Columbia.
Speaker 3:Absolutely no, you're not.
Speaker 1:You're not going to do it. We're not giving you anything. What do you think about these hating ass fools, this type of hate? I was like this is super hate. This is corporate hate. I don't know how to corporate hate, I just know how to hate niggas in front of me.
Speaker 3:I hate you, nigga look, man, this is the price you pay sean, do you hate corporately?
Speaker 1:you're probably more, uh, familiar with this than I am like, is this corporate hate going on with umg and youtube? This feels like corporate hate. It's very problematic peterpleating the fifth If it feels Depleating the fifth is more problematic than UMG and YouTube. Hey gee.
Speaker 3:They're cannibalizing their own product. Right now that's what they're doing. They're cannibalizing their own product because they can still make money off of Drake, but right now everything is on halt. Any project that Drake had coming out that was projected to come out, everything is on hold. Any project that Drake had coming out that was projected to come out, everything is on pause. Until the situation blows over or until they come to an agreement, or whatever they come to an agreement on. Who would say that Braun Camp didn't reach out and say yo, I need to take that down, they need to go down. That's something hating-ass Braun would do. Take that down.
Speaker 1:Are we having a hate contest?
Speaker 3:I can't stand it.
Speaker 1:This is a real haters ball. We have Drake, lebron, umg and YouTube. We have some of the biggest haters. This is a cornucopia of haters.
Speaker 3:All working in concert. All working in concert. I think it was dope. I get where Drake is coming from. I don't think nothing Drake can say right now. He's not going to win. No matter what he does right now, he's not going to win. The Haters Ball is going to be stellar this year. It's going to be crazy. Nothing he can do that he can't.
Speaker 1:You and I might just get honorable mention if these niggas keep hating like this.
Speaker 3:You're going to fall to the bottom ten.
Speaker 1:You know how the Heisman show. It's like they have the top ten people to qualify, but only the top four get to go. We might not be in the top four this year. I don't think so. This is strong. This hate is strong.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. I mean, that's what you do when you go up against a giant.
Speaker 1:This hate is Toronto Raptors, Cleveland Cavaliers strong. You understand. This is hate, hate, hate.
Speaker 3:Between him and Braun. Yeah, and I can't stand Braun either. Braun is so petty.
Speaker 1:And think about it. Braun is one of the few dudes with more money and power than Drake to actually hate on Drake and Drake can't do anything about it. Drake has to do something about LeBron hating on him Like yo, you gotta stop his hate. You blocking what I'm trying to do. See, drake gets to keep it pushing in rap terms. That's why I keep trying to tell y'all. It's like I, that's what I keep trying to tell y'all. It's like lose a battle, you know, do 20 million streams like that don't mean shit to him. It's like when LeBron's hating on you, it's like no, he needs to stop some of the hate. Is Drake in the advantageous position? Because I don't think so. I don't think, so what?
Speaker 3:do you think AG?
Speaker 1:I don't want you fucking with LeBron AG. You fucking with LeBron. He owns teams. He got ownership in other teams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, with the UMG thing, like nothing's. Drake can't put out anything. You know that Party Next Door project is not coming out. You know what I'm saying. It's definitely not coming out to this good result. But as far as his freestyle, it's evidently old because he has braids. In the video from it he no longer has braids, but I think the video was put out just on the strength of LeBron flexing at his birthday rapping Kendrick Lamar, a man at the garden messing up the lyrics and stuff. So he was like let's put this out. Here's the thing with Drake. I'm with Sean. He can't say anything at this point, that he can do no right at this point.
Speaker 2:And this has been Drake's bag for years, like these, um, these type raps. We actually had a little bit of fun in the discord. We was uh, you know it actually takes talent to do this to keep the same rhyme scheme for a whole. You know verse, but we was like writing our own bars in the discord. It same rhyme scheme for a whole. You know verse, but we was like writing our own bars in the discord.
Speaker 1:It was hilarious, they're like you know, um, just a position, pediatrician, like you don't say like we was going crazy in the discord. It was hilarious, but you want to know what I want. Ag, ag, I don't want to sidebar you right quick. You want to know what the best bar seminar actually is on like doing that, keeping it for a whole song, what? Was that Busta Rhymes. I'm put your hands where my eyes can see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all the way through. Yeah, that's a very good point. No, it does, it does take, it does take talent to do that.
Speaker 2:So yeah but we have fun sounding into that. To that point, drake and people had the same energy for Port Antonio. I think people are just at a point where we're done with the woe is me bars. You know what I'm saying. Like Drake used to get these bars off years ago when people used to love him. But now the message is the same but the circumstances have changed. You know what I'm saying. So, like him talking about, like you know feeling a certain way like he's been stabbed in the back by his friends and all that stuff. Like somebody should tell Drake all these and you know he blurs the line between his day ones and his industry friends Like somebody needs to tell him, like you know, lebron and whoever else and Rick Ross and all these guys are just friends with him because he was in the industry. They're not day ones. So him releasing a sad song about like everybody stabbing him in the back, nobody wants to hear that right now. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But that used to be his forte. So what you're saying is that effect has worn off.
Speaker 2:Right, because the circumstances have changed and, like I said, people had the same energy for J Cole. They didn't want to hear you know what he had to say on Port Antonio. Like well, I wouldn't lose a you know a battle. I would have lost the you know what I'm saying, a friend, like the woe is me bars. Nobody wants to hear that right now.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 2:Nobody wants to hear it. And you know, this is the thing that I struggle with. Why I have a hard time considering this the greatest battle or beef of all time is because all the corny stuff that's aligned with it. You know what I'm saying. And now you got Drake making a whole song not a whole song, but a song pretty much aimed at LeBron. Like what are we doing? You know what I'm saying, I get it. You feel a way that was supposed to be your guy or whatever, but it's just so many corny things surrounding this battle, man, like you know, I'm saying we battling. You know I'm saying what would not say rappers battling non-rappers. You know what I'm saying. It's just, it's just corny man. So, like, for every, for every high moment in this battle has been an equally high corny moment in this battle you want to know what ag.
Speaker 1:That's a very astute observation. So, with that being said, let's go to our last topic, which is do we have an east versus west coast beef brewing? Actually?
Speaker 2:I think we alluded to that earlier. If it's just on on, some like you know what I'm saying Like you said, squabble up lyrically, like we'll showcase what we got over here versus what y'all got over there, I'm all for it, I'm down for it.
Speaker 1:I am too. All right, we're going to wait for Sean to jump back in so our taglines can actually match what we're talking about the show.
Speaker 2:Very underlined Always here, always here for support.
Speaker 3:Always here to funny my ass Adult beverage Adult beverage.
Speaker 1:I could have made you old-fashioned. I got my crystal glass and everything over here. All right, it's all gold, everything over here when it's Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:I thought that was the key to the city that the mayor gave you.
Speaker 1:Look here I have a video. There's a video around of the mayor at a wedding where he's doing the old school Atlanta like yeet dance. It's dope. It's a dope video.
Speaker 2:The mayor know how to yeet mayor you have to post that on uh socials I'm not gonna do that to them.
Speaker 1:You see, the mayor is my friend I'm not doing that to the mayor. The mayor is my friend. I think the mayor has a great chance to have a great political career that expands beyond this city, and about that we won't be showing him yeeking, we won't be showing him yeeting. We won't be doing that, these white people will go crazy.
Speaker 3:They don't know how to act. Your fault, EG. I don't know how to act either. That's my fault.
Speaker 1:That's more of those inside shots, like the drag-on comment we got to work on you. You're still doing the same shit you were doing last year. You're just being shady here about it. You don't listen to Drag On.
Speaker 3:Nobody listens, see that's what you're doing, see, you're going to make it about me. That's crazy, uh-uh. East versus West.
Speaker 1:Uh-uh. East versus West. East versus West. No Negative East versus West. Click. No negative East vs West. East vs West. Ag. Finish your points.
Speaker 2:That's all I had to say. I'm here for it. If it's on some lyrical sparring stuff. I put the best up on the West, and Sean brought up A good point. We get it twisted when we say East Coast. Everybody just says it's just pretty much New York.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But they never come to the carpet.
Speaker 1:Okay, hey, ag, let me ask you something, and I'm not joking when I say this. You are from West Virginia. Where does Southern hip-hop start for you, as somebody that's from West Virginia?
Speaker 2:North Carolina, no Virginia. North Carolina, virginia, virginia so.
Speaker 1:Clips Missy Timberland Skills all Southern to you. Yes, I feel like Virginia is where the line bleeds, although still Southern. There's an East Coast aesthetic. It is, and even some North Carolina artists. There's the East Coast aesthetic.
Speaker 2:It is, and even some North Carolina artists is somewhat of an East Coast aesthetic.
Speaker 1:North Carolina and Virginia are very East Coast-ish. Of all the Southern states, Virginia and North Carolina are the most East Coast-ish.
Speaker 2:But if you think about it, a lot of Black people from New York migrate to North Carolina. You know what I'm saying, so that's how you get. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I told you Nas had family in North Carolina when I was in high school. They worked with my cousin. They worked with Six Ain't, pete Rock and Little Brother and 9th related All that. There's a lot of North Carolina, mississippi, tennessee ties to New Yorkers like specifically.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I consider all that to be south.
Speaker 1:I personally, like I'm going to be honest with you. I usually eat my steak medium rare, like blackened on top, but I like my beef and wrap like well cooked. It's like if your heart ain't in and you're really not about the action, don't give me the action. That's really it for me at the end of the day, like if you want to entertain me, like entertain me. Like don't like Mayweather Pacquiao me, and it's like do it when you're both past your prime and it's not as entertaining as it should be. One of you got a broke shoulder, one of you not as fast as you used to be. I'm paying good money.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pay good money for a good fight, but I think the problem is it's a royal rumble. The problem is it's a royal rumble because everybody coming putting their two cents into it.
Speaker 1:That's a good point. This is what I mean. Part of Drake's failure, even in this battle, I told you, is like addressing everybody else. I told you. Jay was very, very clear. He's like Prodigy gonna catch this smoke, nas gonna catch this smoke, the rest of y'all get half a ball. Fuck y'all Like yeah, like no. But that's how great battles are built. Though Jay understood that, it's like no, we're in battle. I need to compartmentalize these things and focus my attention and take these. I mean like no, no, no. You dudes deserve a jab. This dude deserves an uppercut and a right hook combo Back to back, boom, boom.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. Boom, boom. Well, sean's queens get the money. So let me ask him, as the East Coast representative Are we comfortable I say we, but are you comfortable with Joey as the East Coast representative in this? Because he's the one that really stepped forward and was like okay, this is what we do.
Speaker 1:I'm uncomfortable for you niggas. All right, keep going. Yeah, I mean here's my thing.
Speaker 3:You see what the West is doing. They're unified. Right now you have the B-level and again I don't mean this in no disrespect, so maybe reframe that. Let me rephrase that you have the street-level fighters right now, right, netflix, the Marvel Netflix. They're still strong, they're still great in their own right, but you have those guys who join the fight, and Kendrick is the big dog, he's the super threat, right, he's a champ.
Speaker 3:You know he's a champ. We haven't heard from Game and I hope we don't. I hope we don't. I hope we don't hear from Game at all.
Speaker 1:Kendrick's the man right now. Kendrick's the man right now. I is the man.
Speaker 3:right now he's the champ. Kendrick is the one.
Speaker 1:He's the heavyweight champ.
Speaker 3:I just don't know, from not just the New York perspective, but from an East Coast perspective who's going to step up and step in that ring, because you've got some heavy hitters that just don't have the heavy hitter name. Right, because keep in mind that we talked about this before. Social media dictates the victor based on popular vote, right? Not everyone is going to gravitate to Joey because Joey doesn't have the popular name that they're looking for right now. No matter what he says, he's going to get a lesser vote because of who he is, because of his name. No?
Speaker 1:no, no. Let me submit something to you if I may Sean. Let me submit something to you if I may Sean.
Speaker 3:That's why, sometimes you just got to whoop a nigga ass.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Let me explain something to you in boxing terms. When Mike was locked up and Holyfield was champion, there was this guy by the name of Riddick Bowe. Holyfield was the man and people really just wanted Tyson to get out and fight Holyfield. Riddick Bowe came along and even though Riddick Bowe all time is not the heavyweight fighter that Holyfield is, oh, but he beat Holyfield ass that first time. Yeah, he did, he whooped his ass. Yeah, he did that first time. Yeah, he did, he whooped his ass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he did that first time. I'm telling you, Sean, I'm from the A, Sean, no, no, no, Sean, I'm from the A.
Speaker 1:When all you New York niggas talk that Tyson shit, I be like ain't nobody over here trying to hear that shit. Fam, my man whooped your man ass twice, no no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that to say so I can text you a lot so you understand how much I love Holyfield. Hold on, Riddick Bowe whooped Holyfield ass and we ain't see that coming Like nobody in Atlanta and nobody in boxing seen Riddick Bowe beating Holyfield but he whooped that ass. And that's why I'm saying is like, oh no, it's about the records. If Joey make the record like, tap that ass.
Speaker 3:We say boxing he was. He was getting good points. It's one on one.
Speaker 1:It's one on one competitive sport like boxing. That's why we make I always make the tennis and boxing analogies, because when it comes down to competitive fervor, oh no, no, it's one on one.
Speaker 3:Not. This Social media is very loud. They're determined to victor before one round comes out. It doesn't matter Right now. We know what Joey can do. Anybody who knows Joey's spit game, they know what he can do, but it doesn't matter if popular voters, I don't know about that, I don't know, about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Boston is way more objective than hip-hop. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Hold on. Can I tell you something? I don't think we've heard the best from Joey. Maybe that's why I'm saying what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:We haven't. But I'm saying, would they give him a chance? That's all I'm saying. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Is he going to be afforded the opportunity even if he's not?
Speaker 3:Cool, Even to your Boston analogy. If it's close and the person doesn't have the name recognition, they're going with the Boston who has the name recognition.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what I'm going to tell you what?
Speaker 1:Sean, I'm going to tell you what. You're absolutely right, because I love me some Tupac and I love me some Mobb Deep and I'll fight to the day that I die that Drop A Gym is 10 times a better diss record than Hit Em Up. But about Pac Thatcher versus Mobb Deep Thatcher? People talk about Hit Em Up in the manner that they really should be talking about. Drop A Gym on them. And you're absolutely right Drop A Gym on them, one of the 10 best diss records I ever heard, and I love.
Speaker 1:Pop. It's close to top five for me.
Speaker 2:But stature only doesn't matter in rare anomaly cases where the, where the tide is turned and there's nothing that stature can do about it. We saw it with Kendrick and Drake, we saw it with Jay and Nas, but outside of that, I mean, there's really nothing else you can think of.
Speaker 3:Think about this, fellas. Remember when Jay dig a hole On. Cam yeah, went nowhere, went nowhere, but we don't acknowledge it because of name recognition.
Speaker 2:Right, because Cam really won that battle. Nobody will ever tell you that Cam beat Jay in a battle. Nobody will ever fix their mouth to say that.
Speaker 1:I'm playing around the shots that Cam took at Nas too. Over the hate me now beat them was fire too.
Speaker 2:It was tough. Cam got down on Nas too, but Nas came back with fire versus that dig a hole, wasn't it for Jay that?
Speaker 3:dig a hole, wasn't it? And we don't talk about that. Nobody acknowledges that.
Speaker 2:No, and, insult to injury, he put out fighter, not a writer, right.
Speaker 3:We didn't think that Jay would put something out like that. So I say that to say we can move on. But I say that to say the way this whole thing is shaping up. The popular vote is going to sway to the West. They got the momentum. I don't know who is from New York at this point is going to step up. You know they're saying they're going to step up. I don't know who that's going to be.
Speaker 1:Real talk. Let's talk a numbers game, because that's really how this game really gets dictated. Now it's a lot of things when you look at the trajectory of the history of this game. I'm not joking when I say this. If you take the BC boys out of the equation for the East Coast, around that time the West Coast blew the East Coast dudes out of the water. Numbers-wise.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's happening again.
Speaker 1:And it's happening again because hip-hop works in cycles and this is just part of the cycle. So we're going to cycle to the next part of our cycle, which is Discord Dialogues, which is actually some more new versus old in a little bit, because the topic that got chosen this week was the older publications versus the common day, new world social media. So, ag, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked a lot at length about, you know, print media versus. You know, the current media that we have with social media last week. So I wanted to put a poll in the Discord Dialogues just to kind of figure out people who've been fans of hip-hop for a long time what were their favorite ways to receive hip-hop information. And we voted on print media, which we got the classic magazine publications, the Source, xxl, Vibe and so on and so forth. And then another choice was the blog era, which blew up. You had all hip hop, hip hop game, not right, and you know things of that. You know you got Worldstar, those sorts of things. You know, and you got Worldstar, those sorts of things. And then the last choice was current social media, where we have, you know, the fans have more of a voice. You know through social media apps, like you know, the Twitters, the Discords and things of that nature, and you know I'm an old head but you know, surprisingly, the social media era is what won, uh, that vote. And you know people like to receive their hip-hop information through that medium. And I think it's because of that reason is because you know the hip-hop fan has a voice that's louder than ever. You know what I'm saying. We say that everybody shouldn't have an opinion. Some people's opinions is just stupid. But now everybody's opinion can be heard on some level, which was to your point, sean, about. You know name recognition and you know the casual fans and their voices, you know being a loud majority. So I found that interesting.
Speaker 2:But in the grand scheme of things you talked about Relics earlier in the show, sean I wanted to shout out the old hip-hop publications and even though we cooked Elliot last week, he was the editor-in-chief of XXL, which is a classic publication. The Source was a classic publication and we had other ones out there, like Blaze Rap Pages and so on and so forth, and I can't forget about Bob. But I remember in those eras the magazine drops were almost damn near as important as the album drops. I mean, I can remember posting up at the you know whatever supermarket or whatever carried the magazines to get you know I'm saying the new source so I could go straight to the record report and see what got you know um, a good mic rating. So I can know, if I only had so much money, what record I needed to pick up based on their recommendation.
Speaker 2:So you know, we're a long way from that now, where you know we don't rely on somebody else to give us their opinion and their recommendations for us to act on it, somebody else to give us their opinion and their recommendations for us to act on it. We get it instantly, in real time. We can interact with one another and talk in real time Like yo track three, you on track three, what you feeling about this Blah, blah, blah Through these social media apps and, um, I just think it's uh, um interesting you know what I'm saying Uh dichotomy that we have with that.
Speaker 3:So no, absolutely. I mean, that was our source. That was our source material, no pun intended. We had to go through those publications to understand what was really going on in hip-hop Because the thing about it is we weren't getting the information in real time. You know, when we had disc records or any kind of issue that was going on, you had to go pick up the magazine, you had to read on it and we were actually literally reading. You know the manuscripts of what was happening out there.
Speaker 3:It wasn't a blog era at that time. It wasn't people responding in real time or reacting in real time, or you had to really sit with the music, right, and we talk about it all the time. We talk about when we review an album. We review the album in less than seven days or six days of the album. There's no way you can really give a true assessment of an album in six days. You got to sit with it. So when the source and double xl was given those ratings a way ahead of time, you know it was a situation where we had to read their review, understand the review and it kind of dictated whether we were going to get that album. Honestly, if we gave the album a bad rating, we'd probably stay away from that album nine times out of ten, unless we really really enjoyed that artist.
Speaker 1:And Sean, they would have that album for 30 days sometimes.
Speaker 2:It's not longer.
Speaker 1:They would have time to soak it, digest it and give us an appropriate review that we could base our opinions on. The problem became, I think I think what happened was was that they had everybody's respect, and I think the chronic getting four and a half mics raised everybody's ear at the source, but it was when Doggystyle got the four that everybody was kind of like hold on, wait, that's when it started happening. Illmatic was a good reset because people forget Illmatic and Doggystyle are less than six months apart from the release dates. You don't feel that way are less than six months apart from these states.
Speaker 3:It does not feel that way.
Speaker 2:But we just got through talking about.
Speaker 1:You think it's two different rap climates. It's the same rap climate.
Speaker 2:But Coop, we just got through talking about coastal biases and the source was a New York publication.
Speaker 1:No, and I get that. And so it feels like well, snoop's doing 5 million and Nas is doing 300,000. So we're giving Illmatic five mics and we're giving Doggystyle four mics to balance it out, and that's not right. Snoop deserves the five mics and the five mil, and I think that's the problem, like saying the five mil and that's. And I think that's the problem and that's why give me social media over the old school publications, because, for better or for worse, because you're probably going to get the information before you're supposed to get it, at least you're going to get the truth and that's fair and that's again.
Speaker 3:We're talking about an entire coast In relation to a city. We can't forget that, yes, Snoop did five mil. You're talking about an entire coast and everything else supporting that, versus a barrel or actual city.
Speaker 2:But let's be fair. Let's be fair, I think we're too hard, because that's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. Because when we say, like yo, this did five mil when the review was out, the record hadn't sold yet. You know what I'm saying. So it's like they're going to get some stuff wrong. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Hold, on what's my name is already number one on the chart.
Speaker 2:It's true, but it's some revisionist history there, though, too. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean Doing what? $450,000 in the first week being number one four weeks straight being platinum before he was platinum before the year was over. The album dropped the last week in November.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the review was probably already set to print before the album hit shelves. Though is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah you want to know what it was, but listen because they were East Coast biased.
Speaker 1:They didn't understand what they were hearing.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, now that I can get behind.
Speaker 1:I hear you, ag. No, I hear you. I said that based on what you just said. Yes, absolutely All right. Let's get to the last part of our night, gentlemen, which is the press play segment.
Speaker 3:We got a super chat too cool.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got some super chats.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't spend money with these things. Three more, I think 007?.
Speaker 1:Oh, 007 still up in the building live. Okay, 00 must be on vacation. He don't stay for the whole show. All right, 007 to Super Chat. It's like Nas said in that interview you got to be in a certain weight class to get in the ring. Kendrick is responding. There's no reason to, I agree, I agree. Give him a reason to respond. My mere thoughts. What up? My mere thoughts. $9.99 with the $10. Super Chat, simba versus Joey should be competitive. Eh, could be.
Speaker 3:Are you excited about it?
Speaker 1:though. See, it's not about it being competitive too. It's about it being exciting and competitive. All the beefs and battles are competitive. Is it exciting, like Jada kissed Beanie Siegel? Oh no, the beefs and battles are competitive it's exciting, like Jada kissed Beanie Siegel.
Speaker 2:Oh no, that's exciting. That's why I kept telling Sean I don't think that J Cole versus Kendrick would have been exciting, man, because they too much, too similar.
Speaker 1:Happy ass niggas. Cj, the Kid with the $5 super chat. Curtis King just dropped his diss to Joey. His diss lied to Joey. Where is that female MC at Emergency Super Chat? Stop it, cj.
Speaker 2:CJ, don't go. We appreciate the love, but don't go broke. It's been an emergency Super Chat bud.
Speaker 1:Nah, go for broke. Cj, Take a break.
Speaker 3:CJ harass us. Man, go for broke, cj Sean.
Speaker 1:Sean CJ, don't listen to Sean. No, we're going to progress the press play.
Speaker 3:CJ be harassing me who is. Curtis King, though who is Curtis King for real?
Speaker 1:I don't know who Curtis is Exactly. I'm for real. I'm Curtis. I know it's 50.
Speaker 3:Yeah, curtis.
Speaker 1:Curtis.
Speaker 3:Curtis.
Speaker 1:All right, press play, press play, gentlemen.
Speaker 3:Get out of here. I got to do that first.
Speaker 1:All right, we're going to be all right. Trina featuring Ludacris Be all right. Kanye West on the production Still one of my favorite Kanye beats. I like the motivational thesis behind this Next.
Speaker 3:Conway, you should love Trina.
Speaker 1:First of all, if somebody has seen Trina in person, live and met her before, it's hard not to love Trina. All right Conway Jesus Christ is. This is one of those verses that actually made me think of the term bar seminar guys.
Speaker 3:I'm like this is such a manifesto.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, literally me coming up with the phraseology bar seminar comes from the record, jesus Crisis specifically, but around that time. But that was the record where I was like man, this is a whole modern day seminar on rhyming and rhyme skills. So shout out to Conway the machine, for Jesus Christ Went back in the crate. Since we've been doing all our Kendrick and Drake talk, we got to talk about our bronze medalist, which would be Cole, who was the feature guest on Pray of Jesus' Peace by the Game. When I heard Cole on this record, I thought first of all, this is a verse of the year contender. But I heard somebody that for the first time and people have been saying it I was like, oh no, if he keeps rapping like this, he's going to be the best MC in the game. And so if you haven't heard Pray off Jesus Peace game featuring J Cole, and it's ironic.
Speaker 2:We had some game talk earlier, so you know it is ironic how that kind of just kind of happened like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that was part of my list. And, last but not least, nas track Lil Lost Tapes Love Papa was a player. I've been thinking about my pops. For those who don't know, my pops have been sick. He's been diagnosed with stage four liver cancer. Cancer is now spread. So now it's stage four small, intense, small intestine cancer. Um, oh, you know, I believe in the power of prayer, gentlemen, you know what I'm saying. Uh, but I was actually thinking, um, I had some family situations going on and I was like yo, I was like pops wouldn't even like that. Pops was a real player, Like he ain't even emotional like that about it, and it made me think about the Nas song when I was talking to my sister and talking about, well, pops was a player anyway, you know. So then the Nas Papa was a player came up. I'm saying some prayers for my family. You know it's in God's hands at this point, gentlemen, yeah, prayers up for your pops, coop.
Speaker 3:Word up, thank you.
Speaker 2:Hey, thank you. Hey, gg, what my man. Yeah, uh, the inspiration for my press play is like brick cold out here, man, it's like like nine degrees right now where I'm at. It's crazy, and um, you know, I got some songs that made me think about you know, I'm saying wintertime, cold weather, timberland weather, hoodie weather, and you know, um, oddly, all these tracks that I got are turning 30 years old this year.
Speaker 2:So first up, I got Survival of the Fittest by Mobb Deep. Like, when this track comes on, there's no way I don't think about winter, hoodies, timbs, you know all that stuff. You know what I'm saying. It's just dark, cold, gritty. You know, have it on the beat. Like you know, captured all that and it's one of my top five favorite Mobb Deep songs ever. You know what I'm saying. So I had to put that on there. Next up, you know what I'm saying, off the classic Cuban Link album, I got Ice Water with. You know, raekwon, listen, when I first RZA was a fool for this beat. Man, like this beat, just the way it starts off, side B, talking about the actual tape. Talking about the actual tape.
Speaker 3:Listen, man Look here AG.
Speaker 1:Might be my personal favorite Wu-Tang beat period Listen when this album came out.
Speaker 2:I think these were odd picks because when I had this album in real time, this and rainy days were my favorite records.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying, yeah, love them, love them. And this one, everybody goes off. I know Coop got the Capadonna hate, but everybody go off, I like. I think, it's between Ray and Kappa for the best verse. First of all, I think Ghost has the best verse. Hold on.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait. I'm about to light your life up with something I love Kappa on this Kappa.
Speaker 2:He did, but I thought Ghost was clearly third. I go back and forth between Ray and Kappa. No, Ghost is the one that set it off.
Speaker 1:The Black Jesus. I know a two-migga sniff coke it calls Caesar. It's tough.
Speaker 2:Peace to Half Moon, the way the beat drop out for Rado.
Speaker 1:Peace to Half Moon. Caesars, all the bitches in the bleachers.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:How about this? That's the ghost verse that made me a fan of ghosts. That's my ghost verse. That's where I become a fan of ghosts. That's where it's like I'm liking him on the purple tape. I'm feeling the vibe. That's where I was like yo, he need his own album.
Speaker 2:He goes off. But I think Kappa got it on style points, but Ray's verse the way the beat drop out and RZA does the scratches. Great Hold on, hold on Ray has the best flow on the record. He does.
Speaker 1:Because he catches the scratches and the breakdown at the same time, which is phenomenal.
Speaker 2:This is the perfect track. The beats are 10 out of 10.
Speaker 1:All three verses are 10. I love Ice Water.
Speaker 3:I hate you picking this. This is my first pick.
Speaker 2:Tommy Hill Ice Rocketing. Yo, that joint go crazy. I might play that after we get off the pod. Yeah, love it. And of course, like I talked about how cold it is, I got you know I love it when these two are on the track together. I got JZA featuring Inspector Deck on Cold World Classic track. I got you know I love it when these two are on the track together. I got GZA featuring Inspector Deck on Cold World Classic track. Two wordsmiths Just lyrical, like Coop said, bar seminar right here.
Speaker 1:Love this track. Hold on Duel of the Iron Mic or Cold World.
Speaker 2:For me, Duel of the Iron Mic.
Speaker 1:Me too. Duel of the Iron Mic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's just because of Dirty. Dirty brings an element that Cold World don't have. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I actually think it's Okay. So for me, duel of the Iron Mike is the most underrated Wu-Tang Posse cut of all time, because it's actually Jizzus, deck, Master, killer and Dirty's on the hook. That's a four-piece. It is, it is and.
Speaker 2:I would say I like the beat slightly better than Cold.
Speaker 1:World. Oh, the beat is clearly better. I think the bar work is better.
Speaker 3:He's going crazy on the beat.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, who can?
Speaker 1:withstand our stonishing, punishing stings to the sternum. Yeah, hey, you see what it is but Lock, stop seeking for a serum to cure him. Hey, master Killer, master Killer has the third best verse on that song.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you got to that. But yeah, liquid Sword is turning 30 this year as well and Cold World is a classic record. So for my last record to represent the cold, I got Glaciers of Ice, and I'm glad you brought up Master Killer Coop, because I would say it's either this or the Mystery of Chess Boxing, one of the two.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. For me it's the Glaciers verse, the Duel of the Iron Mike verse, and then the chest boxing verse.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got chest boxing third. I got this in third.
Speaker 1:You don't like the? Am I overrating the Duel of the Iron Mike verse?
Speaker 2:I got chest boxing first this second and then Duel of the Iron Mike third.
Speaker 1:No, Glaciers is first. I'm going to tell you what he sounds more polished on this he does, if not for Nas' verse on verbal intercourse. You can make an argument that this might be the best verse on the purple tape.
Speaker 2:I'm with you. Yeah, I'm with you on that well. I think we got I like this tangent because we got four contenders. We got Nas on verbal tangent because we got four contenders. We got Nas on verbal intercourse. We got Masked Killer on Glacier's Ice and we got GZA and Deck on guillotines. Those are all contenders for best verse on Purple Tape.
Speaker 1:We got Ray on Incarcerated Scarface.
Speaker 2:There you go. Which one? All of them, I think it's the second verse.
Speaker 1:I think it's the second, all of them. I think it's the second verse. I think it's the second verse for me. I think it's the second verse.
Speaker 2:I love all of them equally, to be honest.
Speaker 1:I feel that way. It's funny we're doing the kick in the door thing. That's how I feel about kicking the door. It's like pick a verse.
Speaker 2:That's my favorite big song. That was our bar seminar for this week.
Speaker 1:That's the best bar seminar on that album. Actually, we're talking just verse to verse, but Ray's verse.
Speaker 2:like I do this for barbershop niggas in the plaza, catch it up like that joint.
Speaker 1:That's the second verse.
Speaker 2:No, that's the third verse.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the third. Yeah, it's all up there. It's crazy. How about this Incarcerated Scarface is like no, it's up there with Dead Presidents. Quiet Storm. The World is Yours.
Speaker 2:And that's appropriate, because it's the only solo shot on there Knowledge, god. Oh shit, yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:I love Knowledge God. It wasn't Knowledge God, yeah.
Speaker 2:And Spot.
Speaker 1:Rushers Three solo joints Spot Rushers Knowledge, God.
Speaker 2:Spot Rushers. Yeah, you're right, all three classics.
Speaker 1:I love to beat Spot Rushers Knowledge.
Speaker 3:God Spot.
Speaker 1:Rushers yeah, you're right, you're right. I love the beat to Spot Rushers.
Speaker 2:It's one of the lesser heralded songs on the album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. That's why it's the top five rap album. One of your less heralded songs is Spot Rushers, or Knowledge. God, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Jamil Arif man when one of your less heralded songs is Spot Rushers or Knowledge.
Speaker 1:God, it's crazy, crazy. Shout out to Jamil Arif man.
Speaker 3:All right, Sean, what you got, player, We'll round it out for me as you took my concept.
Speaker 1:he had three of the songs, First of all. I find that very hard to believe. You're too slow, Sean.
Speaker 3:I find that very hard to believe I had to pay him a screenshot. I said, dude, you see what I had. Hey look here, hey Sean.
Speaker 1:Sean, I'm not trying to rush you. It's 24-24. It's four minutes and 38 seconds left. You have two minutes and 15 seconds. I'm taking my time. My first one Playing games.
Speaker 3:My first one.
Speaker 1:Playing games while the game is going.
Speaker 3:This one is featuring Kendrick the city. This one I felt that Kendrick was a problem because he came through on that last version. He killed that last version. So I love the city and I thought that game did a great job of bringing him along for the ride. But Kendrick killed the city on that joint Love, that joint.
Speaker 2:I like that. Getting more game love, though. That's what's up, man.
Speaker 3:That's dope. I like the game love man.
Speaker 3:I like the rest. My second one is Bleak. What the Mind Right Remix. Yes, the Mind Right Remix. And the only reason I picked this one is because I thought about the conversation we're going to have tonight about just getting into the war. And this was to me when Jay and all those guys Jay and Rockefeller drew the line where Jay was like yo, I'm ready for anything. Now. I'm on my grind right now. I'm the best in the game right now. Whoever wanted it can get it. He would diss a lot of people on this. He'd diss everybody on this joint. I was actually going at Harlem World on this. I think it's up to me for a minute. Beans, you got the Broad Street Bully. Shout out to Philly.
Speaker 3:Beans came through and killed this as well. And the Beans are hard Beans kills everything, beans kills everything. Everything.
Speaker 3:Everything, my third one I wanted to go right back to Kendrick. Ronald Reagan era featuring RZA. Got RZA on that hook. I love this joint. This actually made me a Kendrick fan. This song, ronald Reagan era, made me a Kendrick fan. This is the voice I want to hear Kendrick in. I don't want to hear Kendrick in that weird voice. I don't want to hear him in that different optic that he uses every now and then. This is the voice I want to hear Kendrick in the Ronald Reagan era.
Speaker 3:People don't talk about this track enough. It's a dark man. This is one of those ones for me.
Speaker 1:You want to know what AG. I actually agree with you. You're right. When people talk about his greatness and talk about his catalog, this song does get skipped over.
Speaker 3:It is one of his better songs.
Speaker 1:It is possibly one of his 20 best songs Actually it is one of his best songs.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. I don't know how it gets looked over and I don't know why this song popped up to me Spaceships. I was in Mississippi this week and we was riding. My driver had me going into some back roads and I just put on this song Good Music.
Speaker 1:Friday what's that Good?
Speaker 3:Music.
Speaker 1:Friday no that Good Music Friday.
Speaker 2:No this was on the first album.
Speaker 1:Call it Dropout. Oh, is that Spaceships? You know I can't read shit right, I'm just reading it.
Speaker 3:I remember Spaceships.
Speaker 1:I was in recruitment.
Speaker 3:When Spaceships came out, I was listening to this song every day because I was working my ass off in the Marine Corps recruiting duty and I was like yo, this shit is crazy, like these kids are getting on. I want to fight these kids. I'm fresh out of the war. Yo, if you want to join, hey, sean you want to know what's funny.
Speaker 1:Hey, sean, you want to know what's funny? I took my first corporate job around the time spaceships came out and I was training people like twice my age and I wasn't mentally like prepared for that and so spaceships was kind of like my song.
Speaker 2:Like. What do you think If my manager?
Speaker 1:insults me again, I will be assaulting you. After I fuck the manager up, I'm going to go shorten the register up. I was like yep, I was about to do all that.
Speaker 3:I had to play this whole album and I kept going back to this song. I was driving through, my driver was taking us through Bogalusa and Mississippi this week and I was just on the open road, man, and just zoning out, just thinking about stuff, and this song right here, I just said, man, let's play it one more time, play it one more time. And we just kept playing it over and over. Man, but this this is when Kanye was to me was like one of those ones. Like you knew the guy was talented and you knew that he had something special.
Speaker 2:And not for nothing, like I don't know what ever happened to GLC, but Kanye having them on a lot of his good music stuff in the early era like Consequence, and GLC got some dope rap voices Both of them.
Speaker 1:I like GLC's voice better than Consequence's.
Speaker 2:I think Con's voice cuts through the track very well too. I think, they both got dope rap voices and great pin games.
Speaker 1:Consequence's pin games is nasty.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shout out to Klaus, he's getting the money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it gentlemen, Double it Sean.
Speaker 1:Alright, make sure you like and subscribe and share to our channel. Follow us everywhere we are. We're on YouTube, we're on Spotify. We're on Apple Music. Sean, tell them everywhere we are. We're on YouTube, we're on Spotify, we're on Apple Music. Sean, tell them everywhere we are. Yes, sir. And I'm not talking about like Tinder or Bumble.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about like Tinder or Bumble. You know what I'm saying, not.
Speaker 1:Tinder Bumble.
Speaker 3:We on X. Remember AG is going black. We're actually on X.
Speaker 1:Since it's not called Twitter anymore, we're on X. You follow hip hop talks on X. Look here, first of all, more inside jokes. Look here, ag. You might have been on White Planet. I was on Purple Jesus, ag was on Snow. Bunny Planet. You know about that, okay. I'm going to get him on there. I'm going to get him off the air. It's time to get him off, See what people don't understand is that after two and a half hours on air, Sean turns into a gremlin.
Speaker 1:We have to get him off the air because we can't afford to repopulate 50 more of this shit.
Speaker 3:You really can't Shout out to Sean.
Speaker 1:don't give him water. Don't give him water afternoon Damn midnight.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? Let me get the people out. Shout out to Apple for the major support, for the words of encouragement, ways to model those great things. Thank you all who actually download the shows on Apple. Our Apple subscriptions are there. The numbers are really good on Apple. So we appreciate you guys actually listening to us, to our voices while you're on your Apple devices or what have you. Shout out to Spotify as well, because we're on Spotify, we're on Amazon, we're actually on iHeartRadio as well. So we appreciate all you guys the love and thank you for those outlets for having us as well as partners. Thank you to YouTube. We're all on YouTube. Make sure you like, subscribe and share. Follow us on Twitter HipHopTalks1 on Twitter. Shout out to our Discord. Come and join us on the Discord. Join us on the Facebook. We're everywhere. We got more to come and got more to share, so we appreciate y'all. Thank you all for the super chats. Shout out to every one of you and we out.
Speaker 1:Shout out to everybody except for Mad Max Peace Shout out to Mad Max.
Speaker 3:Queens, get the money. And again, prayers for all of those who are impacted, for the fires in California, yes, and prayers to anyone who's going through anything crazy.
Speaker 1:And remember, pray for Coop because they don't know how to drive down here when there's a quarter-inch of snow.
Speaker 2:Okay, About a quarter-inch and we got 18 inches.
Speaker 3:That's why we appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Sounds like you should be on a website with your, a different website with your, 18 inches piece Yo we out.
Speaker 3:Hey, yo Like.
Speaker 1:I took our YouTube money away. At the end, all the YouTube money gone.
Speaker 3:Just like that. You'll see Jeff send that back one more time, just in case.
Speaker 1:It only takes one moment. All that revenue gone, just in case. It's better than feeling it like some other people have done All right.
Speaker 3:We didn't do a whole segment on the Landry O'Ball thing either. Peace.