HipHop Talks Podcast
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Speaker 1:How come you got the knife Fellas? What's going on? How are you Cold? It was actually a nice day here and then it just like literally got cold like 30 minutes ago. I'm just like I'm over it.
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Speaker 1:Especially when you use enhancements we're gonna leave your honey packs in 2024. Okay, yeah, we did too. So, um, you want to know? I kind of wanted I kind of wanted the vibe to be like a little sports talk right quick, like what are you feeling about the playoffs so far, fellas, I actually had an idea about what they should do with some of the NFL playoff season, but I just wanted to get you fellas' thoughts right quick on how you feel about the playoffs. Who you're picking right now, who you think was the most impressive? Where you think we're headed, how are we looking?
Speaker 2:What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:Cowboys not in there Trash If you mean the Cowboys are trashed, then yes, yeah, they are Definitely trash, Definitely trash.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because, I mean, I think anyone can make it right now. To be quite honest, the Rams looked really good last week. They played a hell of a game. I'm not surprised by them beating Minnesota. You know, sam Donald, he messed himself up big time, probably lost a lot of millions and millions of dollars. Somebody's going to pay him, but I'm sure that that's going to be a fraction of what he could have gotten if he would have been successful in the playoffs. I do think that it's a shooter's chance for everybody this weekend. You got the Ravens, you got Buffalo, you got Philly. You got who they got Philly got the Rams. Second time they're playing this year. It's going to be an interesting finish this weekend. I think the Chiefs can be had. You can't sleep on the Titans. I think it can be had. You think the Chiefs can be had. You can't sleep on the Titans. I think it can be had.
Speaker 1:You think the Chiefs can be had?
Speaker 2:I think it can be. Had man In this round, yeah, in this round.
Speaker 1:AJ, I thought you nodded your head. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Have you seen Patrick Mahomes' record in touchdown and interception ratio on the divisional round of the playoffs?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he ain't been the Patty that we know this year.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, hold on. Are any of y'all picking Houston, you picking Houston, or are you just saying that they got a shot?
Speaker 2:I think they got a shot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they got a shot, they got a shot, yeah. It's not a smart bet, but they got a shot.
Speaker 2:They got a shot, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he got shot in the ass. That's what they're about to get. I mean, I love CJ Stroud, I love Houston. I do not think that, no, just, no, it just. I mean, how about this? If CJ Stroud goes into Houston and beats Patrick, I mean goes into Kansas city and beats Patrick Mahomes and company and Andy Reed, with two of his three best receivers being down in that in his second year in the league, I mean, that's, that's going to be one of the better and bigger playoff upsets and playoff history. If he can scale that mountain.
Speaker 1:I am I'm doing this for your number two in a row, guys, but I feel like the stars are lining up for Lamar Jackson. I think he's going to go to Buffalo and beat Josh Allen this weekend and I think he's going to go to Kansas City and beat Patrick Mahomes. I think, stylistically, Kansas City poses a bigger threat, but Baltimore about to run all over Buffalo like they did earlier this year. Nothing about Buffalo's front seven defense has improved at all. You're saying that their heaviest linebacker is 10 pounds lighter than Derrick Henry. He's literally about to run over them and through them. This is a game about physicality. And if Lamar and Derrick Henry run the football. This game is over and I don't think that it's much of a discussion. And it's not that Buffalo is a bad team, it's that styles do make fights and Baltimore is their like ultimate bad matchup. But I am picking Lamar to go on this run again.
Speaker 1:I think he said he made a quote earlier this week where they asked him if he had watched the Buffalo playoff game. He's like, yeah, he was like I just got done watching. They got through and then he had this look on his face. I was like, oh, I know that look because I come from a family of crazy people. I said that is that crazed look that I like to see in a winner. That's that look that Tom Brady has, that Patrick Mahomes has. And I saw Lamar with that look for the first time. I'm picking the Ravens to at least make it, because I don't know who they're going to face, because I think they can beat Detroit, but I think Philly poses a is a matchup problem for Baltimore.
Speaker 3:I disagree, coop. I think it'll be a close game, but I think Josh Allen is going to sling the football and end up edging Baltimore out. I would like to see Lamar win it, but I don't think it's going to happen. I'm picking the Bills in that one and at this point I'm still riding for Detroit as the winner. You know what I'm saying. I think they're going to go all the way and win the Super Bowl. I'm still sticking to that.
Speaker 1:You think Detroit's winning the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think if Detroit doesn't have to play Baltimore I do think that it's about matchups. I think if Detroit has to play anybody but Baltimore, I would pick them as the favorite. But there no guarantee that they beat Philly if Philly commits to the run, because Detroit is dilapidated on defense as well.
Speaker 2:I think they smoke on the Ravens' boots in the Super Bowl. I don't think the Ravens can keep up with that offense. I don't think they can go score for score. Ravens' defense is their crippler. That's their crippler, and Josh Allen's going to put up points against them. Lamar's going to have to get into a track race with them and I think the bills have a higher chance to give them something um more this year. To be quite honest, I don't think for a shot.
Speaker 1:Y'all do understand that. They handed the bills the first loss of their season and stomped the life out of them. They didn't just like win, like it wasn't like a field goal.
Speaker 3:They beat them by 25 and I'm sure buffalo remembers that. I think it's going to come down to game of possessions. I think if Josh has more possessions and longer than Lamar does, I think Josh is going to come out on top.
Speaker 1:No, I think Pittsburgh just found out the same thing Buffalo's about to find out, which is, when this team chooses to run the ball and you're kind of light with your linebackers, they're going to stomp you out. Pittsburgh just got their ass whooped too, and then that's what just happened. They just turned around and they kind of whooped that ass again, and they about to probably whoop Pittsburgh got to do something about Tomlin.
Speaker 3:I think that was part of the problem.
Speaker 2:You think Tomlin's part of the problem. Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1:How about this? What just happened to Pittsburgh? They could have just played Justin Fields this whole season and he'd be a better quarterback going into the next season. I feel like that is a mistake.
Speaker 3:They should have stuck with him.
Speaker 1:All those games that Russell Wilson won were winnable games by Justin Fields, the games that Russell Wilson needed to win. He just lost all of those games.
Speaker 3:Russ is washed. They tried to have faith in him, but they should have stuck with Justin.
Speaker 2:He had a moment. He had a Russ moment for a game or two quarter or two.
Speaker 1:He just looks like somebody that's never worked out in the offseason as a quarterback. He just does, and you can tell the way it's starting to show.
Speaker 2:Fame went to his head Too many trips with CeCe to Cancun.
Speaker 3:But in that regard, with the both of them, you got a side with youth in that case, because they were comparable, their performance was comparable, but you got to side with youth in that case.
Speaker 2:You got to Let them learn, let them learn. So.
Speaker 1:All right. What do you think about? You know the Rams playoff game was actually held in Glendale, Arizona, and Minnesota had the better record. What do you think about if a team has a better record than the division winner, moving it to another site but making it closer to the home team stadium? Like a lot of people understand, getting from like LA to like that part of Arizona is probably like a four-hour trip. It would be the equivalent of like going from like Atlanta to Charlotte. It's not like a super, super far, like drive or commute for people. What do you think about how that played out? I still think it played out to the Rams' advantage, but they didn't have a home field advantage, but they didn't have the better record, so I don't think they necessarily deserved the home field advantage. They didn't have the better regular season, although they won a weaker division. I can get behind that yeah.
Speaker 2:I've always struggled with that. I've always struggled with that because you've got to win your division. You've got to master your division to be able to get that. That's the whole reason to play hard in your division. You've got those shots twice a year, every year. So you've got to go harder in your division, Paul. But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing, here's the way that I feel about that. Is that, well, let's look at the AFC North, for instance, where, legitimately I mean, Cincinnati was a Kansas City Andy Reid not being an asshole move away from being in the playoffs, which means the AFC North would have had three teams. You know what I'm saying. It's like, well, when you have that type of division and you don't win that division, I do understand what you're saying. But like, look at Cincinnati. Like how about this? If Cincinnati was in Houston's position, oh, I would pick Cincinnati to beat Kansas City and Kansas City, Because that guy's done it and that guy has a receiver that can't nobody guard. It don't matter, Because two passes to him change the game anywhere.
Speaker 2:But that's the beauty of the NFL. It's so much parody because you can have a team that is low on the pole to get into the playoffs and catch fire. We've seen the Giants do it that year. Yeah, they were like struggling and they barely got into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at it like this Baltimore lost to Kansas City on opening night by a point, by literally a player's toenail. Baltimore only beat Cincinnati by a combined five points in two games. The error of margin is that your division winner and a team that didn't make the playoffs. Oh no, they played them as good as any team not named. The defending champs played them this year, and Baltimore actually did have the highest highest ranked offense in the league over detroit, so like since. So you were right about the parody, sean. The parody is like astounding at this point like joe burrows at home.
Speaker 1:Think about that. Joe burrows at home right now yeah that's why the mvp caliber season, like I said at the beginning of the season I mean, I actually think he should still finish in the top five for MVP, even though his team didn't make the playoffs. I would put him right after Lamar, Josh and Saquon. I would put him fourth, Even with his team sitting at home. He had that kind of year. He outplayed Lamar in one of those two games he did.
Speaker 2:He did.
Speaker 1:All right, let's get to some of the new news and the new music of the day. Let's start with new music fellas, my guy Beans, beanie Segal. Fellas, broad Street Bully. Yeah, we got the AI. What's this? This is the Freeway track.
Speaker 3:Right, this is the Freeway track that dropped this past summer with Jada Kiss right. He submitted.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. What do we need to do? We need to do the super chats yeah, we got we got four of them let's go ahead and do that right quick before we get the beans. 007, what up queens? Get the money. Well, method man out here beating up kids, um, I don't. I don't know how old is method man daughter again, because the dude was 28 years old. That might be why he got his ass. So if I thought method man 19 like 19.
Speaker 2:I think she's close to 30, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:That qualifies, that checks out.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say well, you know. Shouldn't play with Method man.
Speaker 3:I'm age for an ass whoop.
Speaker 1:Get your ass whooped. Really don't know what to say to that. Happy trails. Hope you got Medicare, medicaid, health insurance, some shit, something stitch up your wounds. Cj, the kid with the $10 super chat. Hey guys, hope you guys are doing well and are healthy. Update Che Noir is not, I repeat, is not the female MC stepping out. She confirmed it on dead end hip hop live last night and I look nuts.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, LOL, you could be dead last week. Cj, I told you that CJ, CJ I don't know what to say, young man.
Speaker 1:Okay, 007 again. Let's skip to the Super Bowl Kansas City versus Detroit. I don't think Kansas City is going to make it. I do think how about this If, by some chance, buffalo does beat them? I think Buffalo is going. Cj the Kid again. Also, two days ago, I interviewed the rap collective Brokeland about their new album Volume 2, for about an hour. They said I gave them their best interview ever and they've been around since 2018, so I'm proud. Cj, you're not about to take my job in these streets. Player, you stick to the postman, don't work, cj. No, you're not about to take my job. I'm like a starting NFL quarterback. I'm not giving you no snaps. You sit on the sideline next to the offensive coordinator. Watch these plays get called out while I run these plays. Audible Next super chat. Cool piggy. Willie Beeman.
Speaker 3:Willie Beeman.
Speaker 2:Get the ladies, that's the bars.
Speaker 1:That's the bars on there. Speaking of bars, did y'all hear the beans preview? What do y'all think about the AI generation? I haven't been a big fan of the AI, but for somebody like a beans or for a DOC, who have had life issues that have altered their voices, both of which are great rap voices in the DOC case, I think, damn near an all time great rap voices In the DOC's case?
Speaker 1:I think damn near an all-time great rap voice. Absolutely Correct, doc all-time great rap voice before the accident, right, mm-hmm. So I actually think this is where AI actually benefits the hip-hop community, and I can't front to hear Beans with his voice, quote-unquote. Oh, that shit excited me. When I heard it I was like oh, that's the Broad Street Bully. I've been hearing him rap for the last 10 years, but it hasn't sounded the same because vocally he hadn't been the same, he hadn't been able to penetrate and pierce that beat. So these are beans bars with the AI technology. I was impressed. I can't lie, I enjoyed it, but I'm also partial to beans, so what? So? What do we? What do we do about these conundrums now that AI can benefit of beans?
Speaker 2:AG.
Speaker 3:Coop. I think you said it perfectly, man. It creates a conundrum, because Sean knows how anti AI I am. You know what I'm saying. That's one of the things that frustrated me the most with the TaylorMade freestyle, with the Drake and Kendrick beat right. But in this situation, you know, sometimes it could be some exceptions to the rule. This is not somebody using someone else's likeness, it's not somebody pretending to be someone else. You know what I mean. This is the genuine article. You know what I mean. This is the genuine article. You know what I'm saying. The person who owns the property. You know what I mean. So they're just kind of restoring, you know, going back to what they once were, and in that case I can get behind that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I echo that. It's Beans. You know, we know what happened with his situation, with his voice. And if the ayah allows him to do what he loves doing, which is rapping, which he does very well, the high clip, I'm all for it. I support it because, to your point, ag, it's one of those things where, if you're using ayah technology and you still got your vocals, you're still in good health and all those great things and you're just using it just to enhance whatever you want to enhance. That's different. But in this situation, he's doing it as an aid, because he needs it. It's not like he just he's leaning into it because he's trying to enhance or try to blend in with the culture at this point. Um, he's doing it because he actually need him. He want to get back to what he does and that's being beans.
Speaker 3:So I'm off, and it's still him. I liken this to something like you know a movie, like if you have a aged actor but the role that they're going to play requires them to be de-aged by you know CGI technology or something like that, but the you know role that they need to play requires for them to look younger, but it's still them. It's still their acting chops. You know what I'm saying. So it's still them behind the camera that they're just the age, um, somewhat.
Speaker 1:So I I liken that to this for me poets and romer said in the chat that the beans is actually dropping at midnight tonight. Expectations for the beans. Do we know who's handling production? Guest appearances, because I've heard absolutely nothing. I have like nothing about it.
Speaker 1:I have like I know, in 2023, siegel had started doing interviews and talk about how he was going to start using AI, and I don't feel like I really heard much from it in 2024. So I actually think he may have fit 2024 like putting this project together. I'm excited, like I always. I like beans more than all these dudes out here, like when I mean all of them. I'm talking drake, talking about kendrick, I'm talking about cole. I I'd rather hear him over here and all these dudes. He's one of my favorite, favorite emcees I mean it's beans.
Speaker 3:I mean beans is one of them.
Speaker 2:Once he is what I'm saying there's a lot of conversation on twitter today talking about beans and jay on uh on the same track and was being smoking jay on a lot of those tracks. I mean, people were actually. They're still talking about that. Um, shout out to lobe. I think he was saying that beans never got the best of jay on them tracks.
Speaker 3:I think, of course, of course, lobe gonna say that, but um shout out to lobe.
Speaker 1:That is incorrect. On the becoming on it's on beans got jay that's my favorite collab of theirs. It's their best collab because it's when. Dean's actually showed.
Speaker 3:He's like oh no like ain't no more stunting on me and Jay, and Jay had to take it to a place he usually doesn't take it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you the moment where it elevated when Jay cause at the end of one of the bars, jay actually switches his flow on the very last bar, which actually throws the timing off where he goes. This is Jay. Every day, no days off, you're a nigga. And when Beans comes in and goes, bc Craig Kruger niggas. When I heard him do that and catch it even though it was off, I was like goodnight, I was like goodnight.
Speaker 3:I was like he's like officially, like all the way upper echelon, goodnight but on that collab that let me know that Jay had to raise his level. He switched his tone during that era Jay was rapper in a higher octave tone. He went back to that volume 1 S tone to rhyme on that track with Beans, cause he had to go a little bit darker. You know what I'm saying? The rhyme alongside beans on that track.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he also going into that whisper flow too. He was going into that. You know um, he was adopting that Philly whisper flow you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He might beans. Might have them on streets. He's talkingans might have him on. Streets Is Talking, he might have him on. Where have you Been?
Speaker 3:That record's hard.
Speaker 1:I think he's got him on. Where have you Been? I think Streets Is Talking is a draw. Beans clicked on Jay's heels. A whole Do it Again. Beans is extremely close again. Jay really beat him on Do it Again with the flow.
Speaker 3:Beans flow is crazy Jay's crazy Jay is crazy on, do it again.
Speaker 1:It's not Jay level yet, because Jay level is like big and Pac level in terms of the flow, even back then. But he's been there and a lot of people need to understand. It's like, if you think Jay the GOAT, it's like understand. Beans is rhymed next to this guy seamlessly on multiple occasions. It's like you're not hearing some sort of succinct drop-off in the craft of emceeing.
Speaker 2:No doubt, no doubt. I think Beans is the reason why Bleak never got a chance to really reach the heights.
Speaker 1:How can you do that? That's like back to the football conversation. That's like having Alex Smith starting conversation. That's like having alex smith starting for you while you're watching patrick mahomes in practice and you're just like hold on. Are you sure we should like hold on? Like you sure we should like? No, I know this guy steady, but it's like you seeing what this dude doing in practice. You know what I'm saying. That's how they were talking about my homes. Andy reed didn't have a choice but to start him it. Andy was like give him time, give him time. The players were like no coach, we on game number 10. We think this dude ready, nothing against Alex, it's just he, alex Smith, don't have the natural gifts Mahomes got. You know what I'm saying. And it's kind of the same thing with Bleak and Beans. It's not anything personal.
Speaker 2:No, and Jay wanted Bleak to be the one. He was like the new, improved Jay-Z. But then Bleak and Beans came out of nowhere and was like nah, hold on.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know it's funny. I think Jay adversely affected Bleak and Beans, just in different ways. I actually think he held up Bleak too high and didn't hold Beans up high enough.
Speaker 2:I think because Beans didn't have that appeal, Like even Jay said it. Like you know, Beans, I'm trying to put you on some game. You know he was trying to get Beans to be more polished in that regard, because Beans was really street, he was so gutter.
Speaker 1:He is, and we're going to talk about this Because you know we're going to do our music anniversary on the locks his first album, and you know, when we have our music anniversaries, I try to go back and listen to the material that I don't just recall track for track off hand, because I never was a super big fan of the album. It has been a minute since I listened to it but I can't front. I find myself listening to the album and I've kind of feel the same way about beans that I feel about styles and and chic on this record, because kiss is more affable on the first record than they are. Why would you make these guys not do what they do well out the gate and then try to flip it a little bit?
Speaker 1:Reasonable doubt is jay doing what jay does, great out the gate, ready to die? Is big doing what big does well, out the gate, like you get die? Is big doing what big does well, out the gate, like you get what I'm saying? There is time. You know we've got certain formulas and we update our formulas with the times, and so it just feels like to me that trying to stick guys like that and that formula on first go-round instead of letting them ease into the transition Like think about this, think about this. People forget. Ready to Die. Outside of Big Papa and Juicy is a dark, dense, intense, gritty album. Don't ask me why I'm motherfucking stressed. My mama got cancer in her breast.
Speaker 2:Give me the baby rings and a number one mom pendant. Yes, dark and gritty. Even the Beats. The Beats was sinister Beats. It wasn't going to sell records if you did not have that crossover, if you didn't have the Overchance remix. You don't sell that.
Speaker 1:But Puff, still let Big be big is what I'm saying. The crack smoke made my brains feel so strange, like he still let Big talk his talk. He just gave him let Big talk his talk. He just gave him a couple of hit records. And so when I see A-Beans, when I see A-Styles, I'm like sure you don't just want to let them rap the way they want to rap and just sprinkle in a joint here or there A little, knock yourself out A little in the club.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying you, sure it was how I did it with Beats, because you have Bleak side by side at that time, because Bleak was getting those more flashy beats, those more club related beats. You know what I'm saying? Because, remember, bleak was actually on tracks with Ja Rule and Ja Rule was smoking his boots on those tracks. No disrespect intended, it's just that anybody that Jay put beside Bleak, that person ended up outshining Bleak and moving past Bleak and that's no hit to Bleak. I think Bleak was a dope MC. You know he came out. You know who's the earliest show he alive? I confess I'm like yo, this guy, he might be the next one. But then you got to compete with Ja, you got to compete with Beans and that's tough.
Speaker 1:That's tough. He's, he's a dope rapper and so and I and I've always said that about bleak bleak's made a lot of records that I like, like um, and he's done a lot of dope collaborations. He is one of and this is some purge a2. He is one of the first, like new york mcs, to really come down here and get down with the mcs down here on a regular basis. He is and I'm gonna give him credit for that. That's, that's good business and you know, I mean we appreciate the look from the mecca. You know what I'm saying. But really okay.
Speaker 1:So bleak and beans both have what you I wouldn't call it an issue. They're just not what I'd like to say star power, charisma, mcs. But and and here's where Bleak suffers in Bean Shine. But Beans is just the type of MC that even when you hear him, you're like oh my god, like this motherfucking rap is ass off. He is a rapper's rapping ass Rapper at the end of the day, even outside of all the street rhetoric.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Bullets hit your chest like a blunt rolled loose. I'm throwing niggas in they trunk like a roof. Like when he's talking like that, it's like no, I want you talking like that. I don't want to hear you like it's cool if you do that other stuff, but that ain't why we came to your party, fam. You know what I'm saying. And so I think it's always been that delicate balance and I think Jay has just done a poor job of to like an nba finals when he's like like him and bill russell, like those guys are like rare in terms of being able to actually like be the one of the greatest players of all time and then being able to leave team somewhere. No, that's extremely rare and so, you know, not perfect, but you know oh, naz alluded to that on the remix to let Nas down.
Speaker 3:That made Nas proud. He was talking about Cole signing to Jay and he said you already got Jay. He's one of the greats, but it's hard for somebody great to tell somebody else how to be great.
Speaker 1:So you know what I'm saying but because a great person looks at you. A great person looks at it and is like why can't you do that? You know I can do that right. I'll never forget. When Kane was talking, he's like I didn't understand how much people studied my style until people came to me and started talking to me about my style. He was like I was just doing it. I was like I'll be damned. I was like you was just doing that. Naturally, your flow is just like that. When you hit the mic, do do you know how hard it is to rap like that, it's pretty much saying it's like oh no, I was just you know. Here's why, coop. That's just how I feel.
Speaker 3:Here's why Coop, it's a difference between. It's a thin line between talented and gifted. That's the difference.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's great Kane is gifted.
Speaker 2:Fact. But, guys, even with Jay, jay was still building a plan about flying it, because you're talking about a time when Jay was still ascending. He wasn't at a space where he was in a place to say, okay, I can elevate Bleak to be on par with me, or Beans to be on par with me, beans to be on par with me. The field was totally different at the time because you had Locke breathing down your neck.
Speaker 2:Pauls, you had Nas still right there. You had X right there. You had all these other things around you where Jay had to get away from the fray. He didn't have time to bring those guys away from the fray along with them at the same time well, well, also also to that too.
Speaker 1:I think people forget this too is is that when jay is telling you in 98 as far as progress, you'd be hard-pressed to find another rapper hot as me. That was true, and so he was probably looking. Keep in mind, beans is coming on. I think first time I heard beans is crew love. What's that belly? That's 99 right 98, 98 that's late 98 right november, november 98 november 98, right, so think about november 98.
Speaker 1:It's not like jay had been around for a long time, guys, it's november 98 right and and that's a good point that six. It's been two and a half years, barely not even two and a half years, and so that's a good point that both of y'all made.
Speaker 3:That's a good point that both of y'all made, because Sean Jay was talking about retirement from Reasonable Doubt from day one. He still was talking about retirement on volume two. So he was trying to push Bleak to the forefront like yo, he's the new, improved Jay-Z. So he was, you know, setting it up to get out of the way to let guys like Bleak and Beans have next. But I think he realized along the way at some point, like they'll never achieve that. So I got to keep ascending to your point, sean. I got to keep ascending and really take it to where it needs to go. Because you know, like basically, when a guy says we're not going to win this game unless I drop 40 or 50. So everybody get on my back and I'm going to, you know, carry you to this championship, like. I think Jay realized that at that point. You know, but it's not for a lack of trying in the beginning, because he wanted to step away.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't, it wasn't. He couldn't leave it to Bleak.
Speaker 3:He just couldn't, but Jay's too competitive and he couldn't leave it to Bleak. He just couldn't, but Jay's too competitive and, like I said, we've all witnessed Kobe in his prime. Like you know, kobe played the first quarter, tried to get everybody involved or whatever, but shit, if you don't get your points within that first quarter and a half, you know he going.
Speaker 1:You know it's funny. When you brought up the talented versus gifted comment, kobe's actually the first person that I thought of, because I think Kobe is that person that's actually right in the middle of that where he's not as gifted as some of the other guys the work ethic, but the but but right Like he's on that talented, the gifted line, but that work ethic put him over there, gifted Like and Jay is very much like that as well, because Jay is on that line of actually being talented as gifted.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you, I've always said this we're just talking about pure MCing. Kane is a more natural MC than all those dudes, and that includes Big and Jay. Big sounds like Kane on Life After Death in terms of the ease at which he is delivering on the mic. Kane was like that from Jump Big developed into that. Jay developed into that Kane. Kane was like that from jump Big developed into that, jay developed into that. Kane woke up like that.
Speaker 3:And I'm glad we oh I'm sorry go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, no, that was it. I was just saying. Kane came out the gate like that. That's gifted.
Speaker 3:He did. My favorite Kane moment and oddly enough we was talking about Beans is when he's freestyling over to rock the mic, beat in front of the crowd and he drops the mic. They think he dropped it for real. He dusts it off. He was like I drop shit and still make it look good. You know what I mean? That was the flyest Kane moment ever to be right there. Crowd went crazy, gifty. Kane is different man Different.
Speaker 1:Let's get to a couple of these super chats and we'll move to the next topic Mad Max. What up? Mad Max 999,? Lol. Well, they need Dot to use AI. They need Dot to use AI to help that trash family cause a voice that we hear on beats.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mad Max Boy, see y'all be taking up for Mad Max okay, I'm not a fan of Kendrick's voice, but Kendrick's natural rapping voice is dope. It's the other stuff he does with it that I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 1:I agree I find his regular rapping voice to be above average, but not great. Cj the Kid with the $5 Super Chat. By the way, coop RBX liked my preview of the Brokeback interview and hit me with a link to his new album. You better hope I don't get an RBX interview.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's doing an RBX interview. That's going to go crazy.
Speaker 1:CJ, don't have me pull up in your neighborhood, homie, yeah.
Speaker 2:Shout out to RBX. Rbx is going to break numbers. Shout out to RBX.
Speaker 1:What up CJ the Kid? Again $10. Sean, you never said Che Noir wasn't the MC and Coop. You're the one who mentioned that it was her probably. So, if anything, I went out on a search mission for you. Lol I'll roll the tape back in the Discord. I can neither confirm nor deny that that happened. Cj, all right, and Sean being Sean once again Right. Mad Max, once again bleak voice isn't standout-ish. And Beans, I mean, respectfully, you can't play that jailbird poetry with them Jailbird poetry Mad Max man.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:I can play kiss around the chick at least one or two joints with Tom Beans guys.
Speaker 2:Jailbird poetry is a wild phrase. Jailbird poetry is a wild phrase.
Speaker 1:Jailbird poetry is disrespectful towards being watched alone. That is disrespectful.
Speaker 3:But I like what he said about Bleak and his voice not being good enough. And you know Sean makes fun of me all the time. I call myself a bleak apologist because I was actually you know I'm saying a pretty good Bleak fan. I call myself a bleak apologist because I was actually you know what I'm saying a pretty good bleak fan. I thought bleak was dope, but bleak was just good enough at every category.
Speaker 1:Right, he's good, he's a good MC.
Speaker 3:But he's like straight Bs or B minus, like he's never in no category, is bleak an A. You know what I'm saying, so I think that's kind of what hurt him. Overall, he doesn't have any A part of his game but he has had some A moments though, true, but usually he has another MC better than him attached to it.
Speaker 1:I mean, got my mind right to moment.
Speaker 3:It is, it is. Who want what with Beans is a moment he's tough on there, but sometimes he raises his level depending on the person he ruminates to.
Speaker 1:A lot of the Beans and Jay moments hypnotic. A lot of people don't remember the track Hypnotic with him and Beans oh, that's a standout, but my favorite bleep moment is the intro to Volume 2. He went off on that I don't like that.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:I've never loved that beat and I always thought it was the most like. How can you start off your album with another dude rapping over a preem beat and then you don't rap over a preem beat again? I'm not handing out hall passes, no.
Speaker 3:No, so you don't like the preem beat, or you just don't like Bleak rhyming over the preem beat. Would you have rather it been Jay? Would you have rather it been Jay? Would you have liked it if it was?
Speaker 1:Jay. I'd probably love that beat much more if it was Jay, but it's not. And why? Screw good, not pitching to PJ like come on bro starting off a Jay Z album over a DJ premier beat pump somebody he gave you the disclaimer, he said, nah, he let you know in the first bar, as it wasn't Jay you know, man, just cause you let you know, in the first bar it wasn't Jake man.
Speaker 1:Just because you let me know this about the rain outside doesn't mean my black ass is not going to get wet when I step outside. I don't give a goddamn. Alright, we're going to move to the next topic. Clips previewed this song last year at Fashion Week fellas, the Whips and Chains, but apparently there's a remix that is about to drop, with one Kendrick Lamar on there, and there are even some rumors that there might be some more Drake jabs involved on the remix by Pusha and Kendrick. Sean, you're the petty one.
Speaker 2:Why not? It's funny because UMG copyright actually stated that Kendrick is on this actual song that's coming out on the Clips album, so they were the ones who Are they the ones?
Speaker 1:Is UMG dry snitching?
Speaker 2:Purposely, they're really trying to get them divorced.
Speaker 1:So they're like that's why these niggas got a track about you and we about to let everybody know Yeah're mad.
Speaker 2:We're gonna go and let you know that.
Speaker 1:Hey, by the way, kendrick is on this song look, your rivals are teaming together to take you down and we're literally co-signing it in the document. You want to play a game crazy?
Speaker 2:bad, bad. Don't be mad, don't be. I'm hoping that kendrick is actually on this and I do hope that they um are riding on drake. Be quite honest, I wonder if jimmy is going to say because I think this is the actual joint that jimmy um did a freestyle to um going at pusher. Uh, remember, with jimmy, I know it came and went real fast. Right, let me actually this, let me ask you this Pusher, right after this joint came out and he was actually, you know, saying why Pusher, on stage, gallivanting or whatever, and posing, gallivanting.
Speaker 3:He was talking about Pusher. I mean, pusher was talking about Jim's house getting repossessed right in those bars. I think so. I think so, you know.
Speaker 2:Jim went straight to the streets. Man Gooney, goon goons Just went crazy on Push but Push never responded or did anything with it. I hope that Drake and Jim get a response on his actual joint.
Speaker 1:Jim got some bigger problems going on at home that he needs to tend to than Pusha T. I think he will Need to take care of Uptown first. I think he need to take care of Uptown first. He got a couple issues. It looks like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think with this track, since no Malice is a man of God, I think Pusha and Kendrick are going to finish Barry and Drake and then no.
Speaker 1:Malice might come through and do the eulogy you want to know.
Speaker 2:Crazy bro, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1:So, so, so, first of all, sean, to the original version of this actual record. You're right, the beat is actually crazy. And when I actually do it, I was like you know, pusha is probably underrated as a curator in terms of how he puts features together. Because when I listened to this beat, I'm like this is coming for me. I'm like this is perfect for Kendrick to slide on. This is a perfect beat for for Kendrick to ride on, like all his, all his little twists and turns and rhythmic cadences and style. I can see him bouncing on this beat and in a way that we would enjoy cadences and style. I can see him bouncing on this beat and in a way that we would enjoy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And so when I think about this and then I think about this whole lawsuit that's going on, it's like, oh no, do not. I mean these two guys, especially pusher. Oh, they're sinister when they dig in. See, we're just finding out that kendrick can dig in. We know pusher can dig in and they're about and it's not like they haven't slid on a record very well together before. See Nostalgia, which is one of, I think, one of the best duo pairings of the past 15 years in terms of a song. It's better than Drug Dealers Anonymous.
Speaker 3:Oh, for sure, when they're walking down the dark alley. They said Drake be seeing that in his dreams, right?
Speaker 1:It's better than what would Meek do, like it's better than a lot of these collabs Like so when they get together it hasn't happened like so often, but it's been special when it does happen, and I imagine this to be that, and the original version of the song is just so beautiful. Like you know, like malice no malice and pusher can still exist on the record together, despite obviously you know, and it almost makes you feel like you know it very much.
Speaker 1:You very much feel like. The first time I heard the record I was like this is like the god and the devil having a conversation. That was my thought it's like. It's like you get the sinister and then you get the sacrament.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying right yeah, you know, but but, like you, think it's the perfect pocket, though it reminds me of numbers on the boards for push like that, that pocket that is in yes, very much so.
Speaker 1:And beat wise, I find to be comparable and on that level too, I think the beats getting understated. I think when the actual beat gets released, like not over stadium speakers, with some slight distortion, as we've been having to listen to it, I think when people actually hear the beat, they're gonna be like whoa, I'm excited about the record. Drake, you can keep your OVO jacket. You had your chance. Back to home team. Shout out to Pusha T and Eclipse. Can't wait for the album. I was really hoping their album would drop last year. All right On to anniversaries.
Speaker 3:Can I ask y'all something real quick?
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Real quick. Who do you think is going to have the best feature between if they already confirmed Nas, stove, god, and it looks like we're getting Kendrick who do you think is going to have the best feature Stove, stove For the type of talk that's going to be done on the album. I'm with Stove too.
Speaker 1:I'm picking Stove just because of rhetoric and, quite frankly, I'm saying this in jest and I'm saying this seriously. Well, of all these modern day dope boys, mcs, well, they've all thought Pusher out and we all have records with all of them, except for Stove. Think about it. No, we got Benny records and Gibbs records and currency and like no Pusher's giving all of these guys like some heat.
Speaker 1:But like him and Stove, I find that to be a fascinating pairing you know, like I feel like Nas and Kendrick are going to do what we expect Nas and Kendrick to do, like they're exceedingly great they're supposed to be exceedingly great in moments like these. They're gonna deliver something that's exceedingly great. Like I expect kendrick's verse on here to be 10 times better than that. Like that verse that people overrate. Yeah, yeah. Like because he's rapping, push a t and no malice, not with future. Like you're not about to. Yeah, your bar work.
Speaker 1:Look your bar work better be like it's like on future, like you're not about to yeah, look your bar work. Better be like it's like on nostalgia, because if you got push, you got them by hair and it took everything you had that's his best feature by far, it's not even.
Speaker 2:I wrote that in the city, the city, the game. He went crazy he did.
Speaker 1:But it's not nostalgia though.
Speaker 2:Nostalgia. He was confident in who he was. By that time he was like I got to get my name on the map.
Speaker 1:Lyrically speaking, nostalgia might be the best pairing by two MCs of the last 15 years. If we're just talking, bar for bar nostalgia.
Speaker 2:They were damn near dead even.
Speaker 1:Like that is a bar seminar.
Speaker 2:Like their verses are bar seminars.
Speaker 1:Both of the verses are bar seminars. That's next week, yeah, I mean, like, think about it, Like when's the last time we got a record with two guys where both of the verses are verse of the year contenders?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I'll give kendrick the edge because of the intricacy of the verse.
Speaker 1:Okay so okay so here's the thing I always gave I always gave pusha credit for setting kendrick up for success because he did the west coast layout for kendrick when he sent him a track like dough boy to trey if he cries. Throwing punches in his room. We don't drink away Like. This is Simon, says Simon, red as in sugar. You get what I'm saying. He did set Kendrick up to kind of like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely as a collab should be. As a collab should be.
Speaker 1:That's what I mean about Pusha being underrated as a curator. Yeah because he set Kendrick up for success. Think about it how many people are confident enough to set Kendrick up for success on a record? Who else is doing that other than push? You think these other dudes going to set Kendrick up for success?
Speaker 2:No, not right.
Speaker 1:That's why nostalgia is his best feature, because he really actually thought about the person. Push a thought about the guy he was making the record with instead of just being like. And push a thought about the guy he was making the record with instead of just being like here.
Speaker 2:rap over this, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, special moment. All right, we're going to go to anniversaries now. Money Power, respect by the Lox, dropped on January 13, 1998. I'm going to let you guys kind of take it. I have a lot of thoughts and reflections about this album. I was not a big fan of this album when it came out. I will tell you and we'll just take it from here and I'm going to let you guys take off with this AG. You can kick us off. My biggest problem with this album is that the song that actually bears the album's title is bigger than the album in hip-hop lore Go AG.
Speaker 3:I can agree with that statement. The album is not a classic by any means, but it was very refreshing because it came at the right time, because the the shiny suit era was only like a couple of years, if we really think about it you know what I'm saying Like 97, 98, going into most of 98 at the at the max, and this was a. This was a nice change of pace because I think after big pass and then you get no way out with puff and then you get harlem world with mace, I think this locks album is kind of hitting the reset button a little bit. You know what I mean. Even though it's not a classic, it's taking it kind of back to you know, like what we needed to hear at the time.
Speaker 3:It didn't have as much gloss on it as the harlem world and then the no way out you know what I'm saying to like real rapping, because I mean that transition period. Yeah, you know big had money, more, more money, more problems on life after death. But the whole album wasn't glossy like that. You know what I'm saying. It was a lot of street stuff on life After Death and I think the Lox album was kind of hitting the reset button, taking it back to that vibe a little bit as far as the bad boy run is concerned, but overall it's a solid album. I think shit Bitches From Eastwick is one of the most underrated storytelling tracks in hip hop ever. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on, AJ, not to cut you off. I feel that way about the Heist Part One. The Heist Part.
Speaker 3:One is fire too, but you know, I just love it because you need all three of their verses to complete the picture and tell the full story. You know what I'm saying and I just think that it's an underrated album. It's not a classic but I think it doesn't give get the praise that it deserves. A lot of times it's a lot of gems on the album, but you are right, Coop, the song itself is the single is larger than the whole album and, for the record, Chic was my favorite during this era until Jada just had the run of the Rough Riders compilation, we Are the Streets and his solo album. But prior to the Rough Riders era stuff, Sheik was my favorite in the group.
Speaker 1:I think he had the most style to me, true, to this day. I think jim just got more comfortable over time. You know she, she is a natural star. He just don't like the industry like that. You know what I'm saying. But as far as my take on this album, I think this album, quite frankly, is actually the mark of the beginning, the beginning of the end of the bad boy era.
Speaker 1:Actually, and this is actually Puff's worst debut album job as an executive producer, the production on this album, fellas, the production on this album to me sounds like the leftovers from Life After Death, harlem World and no Way Out, like whatever was left after those three albums were made were what the locks were left with production-wise. And it's not up to par. And it's not till you get to track 11. The heist part one which, by the way, is where the jada kissing styles back and forth first starts, for the first time that we hear on a record is not a mixtape. That's the birth of the back and forth between the two of them is the heist part one. Well, until the heist part one comes on, you don't really know who these guys are. They're just guys like carrying the bad boy flag around. There's no personality, there's no vibe to it, there's no feel to it. Outside of money power, respect that first set of 10 tracks. Outside of money power, respect. There's not a great song, there's not a standout record. Production is subpar.
Speaker 1:When they started reaching outside of the bad boy box on the latter half of the album is when the album takes off. The heist part one. What's the other one? Not to be fucked with Bitches from Eastwick, all for the love. That stretch of songs makes this album worthwhile. Prior to that, outside of the title track, it's not a worthwhile experience. And I'm going to tell you why. There's the production. Jadakiss hasn't found himself as an emcee on this album until the second half of the album and he is their front man and really has always been, and this team has always gone the way that he has gone and he is still figuring it out on this album. And that's exactly what this album sounds like. It sounds like they're still figuring it out, but when they figured it out, we got. We Are the Streets.
Speaker 3:True, there's no clear star on this album. You do got a good point with that. There's no clear front man.
Speaker 1:Kiss doesn't take over this album, mc-wise, until the second half of the album. That's when he really starts rapping, and even the rapping that you're hearing I've always said this it's like that guy didn't pop out until blackout. You know what I'm saying? That's november of this year, not january of this year, so the kiss that you're hearing on this album isn't the kiss that you hear later this year. If that guy is on this album, we having a different conversation, but he's not, so we are that's true.
Speaker 3:Everybody's on the same level, even on tracks. It's not on, you know the mixtape joints. It's not on the album. You'll see the joint with big joints like that. When they're all rhyming, everybody is like I mean, it's no, nobody's.
Speaker 1:If you told me Styles was the best rapper on this album, I'd be like okay. If you told me Sheikah was the best rapper on this album, I'd be like okay. If you told me Kiss was the best rapper on this album, I'd be like okay. The best locks bar on this album is on Money Power Reset. I sneeze on tracks and bless you.
Speaker 2:It's the best hotline on the album. Album that's not good enough for what they are capable of. I think this album struggle hit us during that time because of what it came off the heels of. Like you said, cool you're talking about you know no way out. You're talking about the success of um life after death. You know all of that happened in 97 and that carryover from 97. You told me this album came out what January to you know, this week of 98. The carry over clouded a lot of this because you got to think about the inception of this album. This album probably was made in 97, during all that time where the focus Puffy wasn't focusing on this album, he was focusing on no Way Out Maze. Harlem World was going crazy at the time. You got Harlem World, you got no Way Out and you got Life After Death, all in 97. And now you're going to drop this at the top of 98. Everything else didn't get a chance to breathe. Not to mention you're in the inception of making Black Rock's first debut album, because remember.
Speaker 2:Life Story. Life Story was actually made really in the beginning of back in early 98 because we had a review on Life Story. It was a five mic album, in the source Four and a half.
Speaker 1:It was four and a half, the original life story without Walt on.
Speaker 2:It got four and a half mics, four and a half and they had to go back and revisit it because it was prematurely leaked as a review. It didn't come out until 99. So you're talking about a lot happening in that short span of time. Not to mention, bad Boy was also dealing with 112, who was dropping a classic at this time.
Speaker 1:So, sean, may I interject from having personal knowledge of this, from knowing Rob, knowing Rob's people like. Rest in peace to Rob, yeah rest in peace to Rob yeah.
Speaker 1:The project was done and when Puff listened to it he looked at Rob and was like I'm not releasing this until you make me a banger. And so the only records that ended up on there that weren't already made in 97 and 98 were Espacio with Kim and Whoa. Everything else was already there. I Dare you, Jasmine, Can I Live Down the Line? Joint Life Story Looking at Us with T-Lo. These records were done and these records were phenomenal.
Speaker 3:Life Story is 10 times better than I'm glad you brought that up, zarn, because when it came back to me I was going to bring that up because that to me that's a bigger indictment on the Lox album. How good Black Rob's album was versus the Hong World and no Way Out and stuff, because they're commercially successful, big albums. But as far as the Lox and their rapping ability and then the product that they put together, I think Black Rob's album, superseding that by a lot, is more of an indictment on the Lox album for me.
Speaker 1:How about this? I'm about to fuck your head up with what I'm about to tell you. Well, during that time, Rob's the second best rapper on Bad Boy, actually, after Big. It's not Kiss or Styles or Chic. Rob's a better rapper than them at that time. Rob's more crazy. Rob's a better rapper than them at that time. Rob's more crazy. Rob's a better rapper than they are at that time. People forget that. That's why I'm talking about that jump that Kiss took. That happened at the end of 98. The Styles jump happened in 99.
Speaker 3:But 98 Mase was nice though.
Speaker 1:Harlem World is dope. Harlem World is dope. Harlem World is not life story. In the end song, the song it's got the backers. It's not in life story. It's better with the commercial songs Money Power, respect is not touching life story. And you want to know what's crazy Can I Live? Featuring the locks on life story is better than everything on Money, power and Respect, except the record Money Power and Respect. I agree with that Everything on that album.
Speaker 2:You got DMX outshining them, though. You got DMX outshining them on that. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:Money Power Respect.
Speaker 1:X is stunting on everybody not named J and Nas in 98.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry but Money Power Respect. I think Kim with the hook takes it even over X's verse.
Speaker 2:He did, kim being the veteran and being the draw to it.
Speaker 2:It brings a different you know umph to it, right, but again, you've got so many things and Supa had just put something in the chat. I was going to that where the beats selection for Money Power Respect is the biggest problem because the production wise it wasn't living up to what Puffy was already doing and I don't think they knew what to do with the rocks, because you got again. They were the warlocks. Right, you're talking about three super MCs from the hood hood and they might be the most disrespectful and the most flagrant and the most aggressive one on that roster at that time, because Rob knew how to blend it. Rest in peace, rob. Rob knew how to blend it. Rob had a little bit of that Harlem swagger, so he knew how to really swag that thing out. Right, pauls, but with the locks because they were so rough and rugged. It made sense for them to fit under that Rough Riders banner as opposed to that Boy's banner, because it just didn't fit. You can tell they were trying to figure their way out. It just didn't fit.
Speaker 3:They're not on Bad Boy if Big doesn't stamp him during that era before he passed.
Speaker 2:No, no, not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3:Because I feel like you know and I think I've heard them say it as much in interviews that you know a and I think I've heard them say it as much in interviews that you know a lot, a lot of that. You know to your, to your point, sean, that Puff didn't know what to really how to market them, but you know, big kept stamping them as emcees. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So this is where I'm not going to give Puff a pass.
Speaker 3:We shouldn't give him a lot of passes for the record. You don't need no passes at all anywhere.
Speaker 1:I'm not joking. If you can take Christopher Wallace from Bed-Stuy Brooklyn and make him into a sex symbol, don't tell me that you don't know what to do with the locks. Respectfully.
Speaker 1:Big is different Coop If you can take—no no no, Listen to what I'm about to say about Puff. If you can take full country-ass niggas from Charlotte, North Carolina, and make them into the biggest R&B group of the decade, if you can take a chick from Yonkers, a hood chick from Yonkers who really can't sing like that yet, and make her into an icon, and you're telling me this guy don't know what to do with the Locks album.
Speaker 3:I'm not. No Well me, this guy don't know what to do with the locks album. I'm going to harken back to what I said earlier. All those people, there's a difference between talented and gifted.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, kc, gifted Mary's, gifted Mary's totally gifted.
Speaker 3:Big is gifted, the locks are talented.
Speaker 1:Say less. I like that. We can leave it right there, unless y'all got something y'all want to add.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:No, alright, cool, we can leave it right there, unless y'all got something y'all want to add. All right, cool. On to the news all being shout out to def jam your whack ass ball signs the def jam for eight million dollars, guys. Um, so when we get in the studio to get a track to submit to Def Jam so we can get millions of dollars we don't deserve.
Speaker 2:Go Sean. This shows you how the currency of Def Jam has gotten so low. We used to talk about Def Jam, loud Records, death Row, these historical record labels, and how great they were for hip-hop and how they were the foundation for hip-hop, and Def Jam was one of those actually one of the front runners, if you will, when it comes to the excellence of hip-hop at its core. And now you start to see how the currency of Def Jam is no more Again. I'm not going to sit here and cap and be like yo, tweaker is a vibe To me. It's not.
Speaker 2:Def Jam is tweaking for signing L'Angelo Ball for Tweaker, because he could make probably more money streaming this song that he has on streaming services and let the people vibe out to it or have fun to it or whatever they want to do to it. But the fact that Def Jam, when it got this based off of that song, ain't going to sign him to, I think about $8 million or something like that, that he have to hit some points and all of that stuff just to be able to continue to move forward. We're not going to be talking about this next year.
Speaker 1:By the end of this year, almost by the summertime.
Speaker 2:We're not going to be talking about LiAngelo Ball. I'm being honest with you and Dev Jam. Shame on you, because you were the actual standard, the gold standard when it comes to hip-hop, and now your currency is as low as Japanese yen in 2026. So hopefully, you know the people will love it. I guess I don't like it. I'm not going to say I like it, I do. It's trash and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.
Speaker 1:So yeah, whatever Well.
Speaker 3:I'm going to disagree, sean. I'm going to push back a little bit. I get it, hold on AG.
Speaker 1:do you like Tweaker?
Speaker 3:He loves it. No, I'm going to allude to something. I think when they interview LL again and they ask him who's on the Mount Rushmore of Def Jam, now we got a legitimate case for LiAngelo. I think he makes it on the Mount Rushmore of Def Jam, right there beside LL, the Beasties, whoever.
Speaker 1:Public Enemy J Redman, dmx Method man.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So when they ask him again next year, ll, who's on the Def Jam Mount Rushmore? I think you got to name LeAngelo. I think it's only right.
Speaker 1:Are you done?
Speaker 2:He really liked Quaker. He texted me, he was like yo man, this is one, he got one.
Speaker 1:The only thing that I really have to say, gentlemen, is that one time Cool G Rap took Nas to Def Jam and they felt like Nas wasn't Def Jam worthy. And here we are in this world that we live in now, where Nas wasn't worthy in the world that we grew up in, for Def Jam in the beginning. But a novice Nas who, by the way, was more advanced than half the rappers who had ever lived when he was only a novice, couldn't get a deal out of Russell. These whack-ass motherfuckers signed Lee Angelo Ball. The same deaf jingles. It's the same company imprint.
Speaker 3:There's two stories beside that. Russ said he sounded too much like G-Rap.
Speaker 1:I remember the comment. And G-Rap don't sell no records.
Speaker 3:That's what Russell said yeah, and rest in peace, to Clark Kent. Clark Kent said that he would have signed Nas, but Nas didn't have a demo and the rules of the engagement was back then that you had to have a demo to get signed.
Speaker 1:That's not true, because that's not how Kane got signed.
Speaker 3:I'm just telling you what Clark said.
Speaker 1:Rest got signed. I'm just telling you what Clark said Rest in peace, clark. That's not how Rocky Kim got signed. But okay, clark, rest in peace. But that's not accurate or true. That's some bullshit, is what that is.
Speaker 3:He found his way there eventually anyway.
Speaker 1:AZ got signed off a verse off Illmatic talking about you need an MO back, then Right yeah.
Speaker 3:Maybe that was just a Def Jam rule, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, nobody cares about your rules. You guys suck. I'm going to let you know that you suck, Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3:LeAngelo.
Speaker 1:We're going to have to. Unfortunately, we're going to have to do the rest of it.
Speaker 3:Quick question Before we get off topic who do you think has a better chance? Liangelo to get on the Def Jam, mount Rushmore. Or LaMelo or Lonzo to get on the NBA all-time round, mount Rushmore. Who has the better chance?
Speaker 1:LaMelo and Lonzo. They actually have talent at what they do. They have a skill set.
Speaker 2:We're not going to be talking about LiAngelo Bob.
Speaker 1:LaMelo is going to be the starting point guard for the East at some point, like soon, like probably next year, Very soon. Lonzo if his knee actually does recover was a upper half point guard. Has been a top 15 point guard in this league when he was playing um their. Their brother sucks at rap and I usually don't encourage this type of behavior, because the thing that I've always loved about hip-hop is that you can always like take a lifestyle that might be a little bit more nefarious and transfer and translate into a more legitimate type of field. But I really think he should try selling drugs instead, Cause he sucks.
Speaker 3:That's well, you already did try something.
Speaker 2:The fair is that that didn't work out well Overseas, wasn't it Some shades.
Speaker 1:I don't know Um. You know, I'll just, I'll just. You know, he should probably push some weight Cause wrapping, wrapping it. This is crazy, don't be mad. Jps is hiring.
Speaker 3:Def Jam, mount Rushmore. This is crazy, you heard it here first.
Speaker 2:Tweaker is from West Virginia, though that's where most of the streams are coming from.
Speaker 3:We do got a lot of tweakers, though. While you play, let's talk about tweaking.
Speaker 1:What is tweaker? What is a tweaker? I mean when somebody, I mean down here, when somebody tweaking down here. We talking about somebody, just cracked out, that's that's what I thought.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Like I thought that's what he's tweaking down here.
Speaker 1:Like how about this?
Speaker 3:like like, it's like this, like if you geeked up, it's like we there's a lot of meth down here, and I'm not talking about MBTHOD man, I ain't talking about it.
Speaker 2:It really is.
Speaker 1:Like there's geeked up and there's geeked up, talk about Walter Wright and Jesse Breaking bad, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:Look, here we're going to actually go to something that I actually.
Speaker 1:No, no, we changing the subject. We not about to stay here, we not going to stay in the sunken place. All right, we're not. All right, we're going to move to Cam and Jim Jones, and Cam was right, and I'm going to just go ahead and start this off by saying this Thank you, cam, for saying that you're not going to do this anymore, because, on behalf of hip hop, we're tired of hearing you niggas do it Like we're tired of it. We're over it. I don't know where this started.
Speaker 1:You know one thing that I love about Cam Cam is super informational. Guys Like when Cam start running it down to you, cam really run it down to you because he was really there, because Cam was really outside. So when Cam starts freestyling in podcast mode, he's like no fam. He's like I'm not being funny, you're not from here, I'm from 140th. And Lenox these dudes is right here. They two blocks up.
Speaker 1:He start running it down and he started talking fast and you like, and you like oh shit. Like that's when reality sets in in the situation and people can't lie anymore. It's like when your reflex memory kicks in. He like, he's like I'm not being funny, you're not from the neighborhood boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And he starts breaking it down. The truth hit different when somebody's tone is different. Cam, don't talk like that anymore, right? You know what I'm saying. Cam, don't run it down like he was talking fast, like he was back in the streets again. You know I'm saying like that's how you talk when you're in the streets, because everything is happening fast, you're moving fast, you're thinking fast, the reactionary time is fast.
Speaker 1:He was talking to me. He's like no, he's like he's from the bronx. He's like no, rest in peace to his grandmother, but he's really from the Bronx. He just got gifted his house because his grandmother's from Harlem. I'm like ooh, these are. You know it ain't sounding like lies man. He's running down the tape of like Mace taught me how to rap, mace taught me how to rap Mace, killa, cam and mcgruff. It's like no, I never heard of jim, you know.
Speaker 1:So when cam starts speaking and if you know your hip-hop history, it's like then you start asking yourself damn, when did jim pop up? And then he's calling him joe. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, he done known this thing for a long time and he's super comfortable with it and so he just handled it in a manner that I was like and even and I don't want to get into some of the business that like he discussed in terms of how he ran it down, because that's between them, but the way that he talked about the business made me go like cam ain't the type of dude, because cam is the type of dude that even if he don't like you, he give you props, like he. You know, like him and jay haven't always had the best relationship, but he'll always.
Speaker 1:He was speaking highly of jay in this. He's like no, when I met jay when I was a teenager, he's like no, jay had money, jay had piranhas and fish tanks and on the wall in his crib and was pushing like two, three. Like you know he'll give you your due because he was really outside. He even talked about how dame and uh and one of dave's right hand man kind of put some pushed him out of the hustle game that he was in with them. A little bit Like cam's honest. He's like yeah, they kind of big dog me and like push me to the side. He letting you know no, that shit happened when you coming up in the dope game, your OG would be like nah, nigga, this playing for you get you on work, yeah, yeah. So cam is honest and so when cam be talking, it's like oh, I don't be siding with the other side yeah, yeah I don't, can't be talking, can't be, can't be saying some real shit he breaks it down yeah, he don't hesitate.
Speaker 1:There was a reason. Mace was sitting there with the popcorn. He's like oh I know this, dude, since we were 10, I already know where this going yeah that's why mace was sitting there like that. He's like. I know this dude since we was 10. I already know where this is going. That's why Mace was sitting there like that. He's like. I know this dude since we was kids. We from the neighborhood. We from the same block. Oh, I already know what he about to do. He been doing this since we was kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I realized something too New York is much more territorial because of the condensed space. When he said 140th and Lenox and then started shouting up the blocks, I realized, oh, he wasn't talking. Two, three exits 15 minutes up the road, like when you in Atlanta. Like when you in Atlanta, oh no, you can be on Campbellton and get to Camp Creek easy, but it ain't two blocks up the road where you can walk. You feel what I'm saying? Oh no, you're going to have to ride up Campbellton towards Bend Hill and then make that left down the back road and then ride that up four miles and then bust that right. Then you're on Camp Creek. You're still on the south side, but you ain't two blocks away. Cam, talking like these niggas was right here. These niggas was right here, me and mace and l was right here. You wasn't right here.
Speaker 1:And then I realized when he was saying that, oh no, he really meant right there. Like see down, here it's different. It's like I grew up on the east side, but you know the east side stretch from moreland avenue all the way up the latonia stone mountain. There's different parts of the east side. So it's like somebody can tell you that they're from the east side and you'll be like what part? When you in New York, it's like oh no, I'm from 140th and Lenox. What block you from? Because you can probably walk to where the nigga is from. Uh-uh, that's different. That's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's an interesting dichotomy between those two, because the things that Cam was saying and he was very methodical in his approach yeah, he really broke it down Very practical, very practical, very. He was speaking on blocks and time periods, showing the history of when Jim came through. He said it without saying it. Jim, you jumped on the bandwagon when you saw that we were going somewhere with this.
Speaker 3:No, he straight up called him a fan. He called him that.
Speaker 2:He called him a fashionable guardian angel. He called him a fashionable guardian angel when he said that. I'm like yo. That was crazy. But I heard something that Mace said and you know what? I applaud Mace for not saying anything at all but popcorn, because Mace actually said on an interview this week, apart from that, when he said that he tried to get them both on the phone to talk this thing out now. Granted, jim had been going at mace for years, very disrespectful, and mace said the reason why he didn't say anything because he tried to get cam to not go down that road anymore.
Speaker 2:And he said he was trying to get Cam and Jim on the phone together. And when he realized that wasn't going to happen he had nothing to say, because I'm sure Mase could have said a lot and continue to fuel that fan, that flame that Cam had. But he allowed Cam to shoot the clip out. He didn't give him any more ammo, he just sat back and ate the popcorn. I respect that to the fullest because he could have really jumped down that road as well, because jim was more disrespectful to mace than he has been to cam oh, yeah, crazy talking wild about crazy.
Speaker 2:But I do have a question for both of you, because at one point, you know, jim was kind of carrying that Dipset flag you can call him whack, but at one point he was really carrying that flag when Cam was going through those things and he was the one that was out there stomping it out for Dipset during that era, you know.
Speaker 1:Now okay, so let me tell you how I feel about that and I'm glad that you're bringing that up. One, let's give Jim his props. He made the biggest hit single that ever came out of the camp, so we're going to give him his props. He's not a rapper by trade the way a Mase, a Cam, definitely not Big L on the mic, but he made the biggest hit, arguably to ever come out of the Harlem since, since Rob base made it, takes two quite frankly seriously in terms of like iconic.
Speaker 3:No, I wouldn't say no, no, Cause you got puffing. You know what I'm saying? The Macy's bad.
Speaker 1:And what made singles bigger than balling in your opinion?
Speaker 3:It feels so good. It was pretty. No no no, not culturally.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't being involved that's why I'm saying balling is culturally like, still in our framework, like if you put them balling, but I don't think you can just like push Puff over to the side like that, though.
Speaker 3:I mean, benjamins is the thing.
Speaker 1:I'm not pushing Puff over to the side. How about this as far as the MC craft is concerned, even though Jim isn't a traditional MC? Because even when you're talking Benjamins, no, that's a posse cut Like. That's why I'm saying Rob Bass like a rapper making a song like by himself, essentially.
Speaker 2:I think oh Boy was one of those too. Oh Boy was something.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I give you oh Boy. I think Ballin' was bigger than oh Boy and oh Boy has Jewels on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's close. Oh boy and oh boy has Jewels on it. Yeah, it's close. I would say ball and edges it, because ball and was like you know, I think that was before viral, like was really a thing. But if, if ball and came out present day with it, that would be a viral song, like you know, and a tick tock type you know thing Right as it was then, yeah yeah, I'll see. I'll see where you're going with it, coop, but that still don't give him.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying how about this? I'm not saying that there are bigger records that aren't bigger records that have come out of harlem, because puff has a lot of stuff, but I'm thinking, think about a solo shop that's iconic in hip-hop lexicon. It's like no ballin's there and you really do gotta maybe go back to it. Takes Two to think about a song coming out of Harlem from one artist rapping over the entirety of the song by themselves to find an iconic record like that, because even the Mase Records got some help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Ballin had massive help too. Though that's Max B's pen, you know Max B's. Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I don't care. Like, forget all that. I don't care if it is the biggest hit to come out of Harlem, like that doesn't give you the passport to talk reckless about the person who, one, taught you how to rap in the first place, or, two, the person who put you in position to even be successful. You know what I'm saying. Make it to those heights.
Speaker 1:Well, what? But what I was about to actually speak to AG is that, well, did he take over by default, because the way it's been broken down to me, well, cam's mom got sick and about her health he moved down to Florida to be able to care for her.
Speaker 1:And so, well, you're a stand-up guy, or you're not, because if you know that your man's mom is sick and that he's got to leave town and take care of her, you're supposed to carry the torch. And so when people talk about holding him, holding dips head down, it's like, well, you did what a stand up guy is supposed to do, like kudos to you, but like let's, not let's not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like maybe you want a cookie. Like you know, I'm saying to start player go out the game with a sprained knee or whatever.
Speaker 1:And you like second best player on the squad, you're supposed to step up and get buckets like 20 points need to turn into 25, 30, right, exactly. So it's like come on, man, but. But here's what. But here's what I say, because when cam was talking, I'll always go back to the first time that I ever heard them really talk about the breakup and I'll never forget what cam said the first time that he really talked about the breakup at least that I can recall and he was like I made a joke about chrissy.
Speaker 1:And I was like I was like he made a joke about chrissy. And keep in mind, this is when they for him, jim and chrissy at first started dating. Cam said he made a joke. It was like I think he's like oh, you in love with the whatever, are you in love with this b or whatever? And they had only been dating for like two weeks and Jim felt some type of way that Cam said that and I'm thinking to myself I thought y'all were boys that came up together and it wasn't until Cam broke it down today.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, y'all were the boys that came up together and that's why Jim took it like that, because Jim noted he not folks too, that's why he took that shot that way. You feel me because it's like I always thought that was funny. It's like, oh no, I thought y'all all came up together like it's supposed to be. A little tighter than tougher than that, especially if you just started dating her, even if you think she's the one. It's like you shouldn't necessarily just x your man now. You just need to tell your man like, hey, I like this one, don't be speaking about it that way and keep the shit pushing. You feel what I'm saying? The fact that he took it so, personally I never understood until Cam broke down like oh no, fam from the Bronx, and grandma passed and started pulling up on us and all that. And I'm like, oh so he's hypersensitive to this because he got invited into the crew, because he kind of wanted to be down with the Kings.
Speaker 3:Well, the reason why this started again, I think, highlighted that they wasn't really like that as far as like you know family, because you know they were clowning and joking about 50, saying like, oh, I think I can get the gym strategically in the battle. And if Cam and Jim were really like that you know what I'm saying Like brothers you know what I'm saying For real, for real Would have been able to pull that move even if it was a look for Jim.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. That's what I mean about New York being small though AG like smaller than people think it's like.
Speaker 2:oh no, 50 probably knew that through the grapevine because 50 been around for a long time, guys, and we know that 50 probably knew, like that nigga Jim is really from 50, probably knew 50, knew that he took a shot in the dark because he was like well, balling right now was going crazy, so why not continue to gas this guy? You know if it was somebody else of it.
Speaker 1:If it was somebody other than 50 sean, I would agree, but he is one of those rare guys who street acumen and business acumen are both extreme. No, doubt, no doubt, so I don't believe that he didn't know some of these things. I don't. He might play coy like that, because that's also part of the game that he plays so well, but don't tell me he didn't know some of that stuff before he made that move. He's very calculated and I mean that in a good way that he's calculated.
Speaker 3:Can I go ahead, sean? I wanted to just tie something all together real quick. But you go ahead, sean.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you can tell like, ok, from a distance or even close by, you can see that Jim was riding his wave of balling Right. If I'm 50 and I'm being strategic, I'm going to tap him on the shoulder because right now you're off in space where you probably shouldn't have been there. Let's be honest, jim probably shouldn't have been in that space. He was the henchman, he was the muscle, whatever you want to call it. He caught lightning in your bottle. If I'm 50, I'm testing that I'm seeing, okay, you got a hot one and you just leapfrogged the main guy in your group when you probably never should have, and in your city, not just your group, your city, your city. I'm going to tap you on the shoulder to see where you stand, because if I can't get you and him to butt heads because right now you hot and he's not, that's just strategy.
Speaker 2:I don't think he really knew anything about internal beef or internal Because?
Speaker 1:he said it himself.
Speaker 2:He said I just threw it out there to see what he did. Let's see how he reacts. Let's see how he reacts. It's the very simple. That's what I mean about 50 Street Acumen.
Speaker 1:That's what I mean about 50 Street Acumen. Something about the situation made him go. Hmm, let me pick a guy. You want to know what I think? Jim the guy. I hear this all the time when I talk to all my New York people. They be like oh Coop, you know you be acting like you from Harlem when you do this, or you be acting like you from Brooklyn when you do this, but you got Queens tendencies when you like, do this, and so that's why I'm saying no, 50 is student of the streets of the game, so he probably seeing some of Jim's tendency.
Speaker 2:He, like you, know this nigga really don't do Harlem shit like that.
Speaker 1:really, you know what I'm saying. He might have been feeling that vibe from Jim. It's like oh, this don't feel totally like uptown to me, let me go him.
Speaker 3:Him. Yeah, I want to try to tie this all together real quick, right, so to 50's point, right? Okay, so we got the dip set and, like you said, Sean, he leapfrogged the main guy, the leader of his group, you know, by having the lightning in the bottle right. And Jim's main reasoning, his reasoning for saying he did what he did, was because Cam wasn't making no moves in the dip set clip and that provided him an opportunity and he took it or whatever. So, like I said, if they were boys it wouldn't matter what opportunity would have presented for Jim. He wouldn't have did that because he knows, like yo, this guy's beefing with my guy right now. But here's where the problem lies with groups, collectives or what have you that end up falling apart. This is just to me. Right, cam is the leader of dip set. I got on a woo hat right now. Right, riz is the leader of wu-tang clan.
Speaker 3:I think anytime you are in a group or a collective where there is a de facto leader, it sets the table for jealousy and envy and things like that to be breathed. Right, and Jim, he got that lightning in the bottle and it put him in position to leapfrog the person in that spot and he took the opportunity, even if it meant siding with 50 Cent, who was the ops at that point. But we just got through talking about the locks, the locks came in under Puff. They've been loyal with each other from day one to now. Any turmoil they had behind the scenes and they kept it internally. Because, you know what? There's no de facto leader Coop. You said Jadakiss was the front man. The front man is different from then a leader. Lutang's front man is Method man.
Speaker 1:But the leader was RZA, I didn't say leader.
Speaker 3:It's totally different. The locks don't have a leader. Every man is equal. It goes back to that J line on Reasonable Doubt where he said if your whole crew is rugged, if somebody falls, we could be each other's crutches. You know what I'm saying On reasonable doubt. So that's why the locks have been able to keep it together this whole time, versus these other groups that have a de facto leader in place, that have people eyeing that top spot like yo. I don't think he need to be in that spot. We've heard, Ray, you guys talking candidly about some of the moves that RZA has made. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I think that breeds jealousy, envy and all sorts of things, and I think it's a reason why we don't see hip-hop groups today. The last major hip-hop group that we've had that made noise was the Migos. I don't consider Griselda a group. That's more of a collective.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 3:And it's for these reasons that we're speaking about right now.
Speaker 2:Perfect segue.
Speaker 2:Perfect segue Because when you, when you throw that stuff out there to the public right, when you talk about your internal strife and it leaks out to the public and you're talking about it to the public, it's hard to recover from that Internal beef.
Speaker 2:You can have a conversation amongst men, women or whatever the case may be. You can hash it out because you don't have the public opinion weighing in on your issues. Because now, when you get everyone talking about it like we're talking about it right now, you got everybody putting their opinion out there and they are like really bloviating the situation, they're making it big and what it probably really is it's hard to get back to the core of why we got a problem and can we fix that problem. That's why social media has became like one of the biggest issues when it comes, like you said, ag, breaking up these groups. Because when they start talking to this source or talking to that source and words start getting out, everybody's talking about it now, everybody's weighing in on it and it's hard to backpedal. It's hard to backpedal when that shit gets to the airwaves and you could probably have fixed that within your circle by saying, yo, we need to talk about it. Let's hash this thing out. Once that thing is out there, it's a wrap.
Speaker 3:Because a lot of those opinions pumping up that ego that you got Bingo.
Speaker 1:Let's go to Mad Max before we transition. $9.99 for Mad Max. Ag Puff ain't from Harlem, his dirty freak self from Mount Vernon, like me. But he a Westside and I'm an Eastside and gotta make the distinction Okay side and I'm an east side and we gotta make the distinction Okay. So, mad Max, I'm gonna push back a little bit because Puff was born in Harlem. He only got moved to Mount Vernon after what happened to his pops happened to his pops.
Speaker 3:His daddy used to be.
Speaker 1:His dad used to run with Nicky Barnes in Harlem. He was one of Nicky Barnes' top guys, and a lot of people feel like some of Nicky's decisions led to what happened with Puff's dad, and that's definitely a whole other conversation that we're not about to dig. Yeah, we ain't going to touch that one. We're definitely not touching that shit, because some of they people are still walking around Real talk, but I will say, as somebody that was born in Charlotte but raised in Atlanta, well, I discovered hip hop in Charlotte, not in Atlanta, though I started rapping in Charlotte, and so, although I was born in Charlotte like Puff was born in Harlem and Puff was raised somewhere else, I claim Charlotte, kind of like he still claim Harlem, because that's where I found hip-hop, which is where Puff found a lot of his hip-hop too, even though the heavy D Andre Harrell, mount Vernon connection helped, but the first thing the nigga did was really take it to Harlem, though, which is where he's originally from, which is kind of what, in our diaspora of living, we are taught to do, quite frankly, in all walks of life, not just rap we're taught to take it back to where we started, right, so we did that, so we can knock him for a lot of things.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna knock that. I'm gonna give him some Harlem Mount Vernon dual citizenship, because I like my Atlanta Charlotte dual citizenship. Quite frankly, a lot of shit to knock Puff about, but holding Harlem up high shouldn't be one of them, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:And with that being said, let's transfer to the downfall of hip-hop groups, guys, let me get this one real quick, I think Mad Max, let me call this one out.
Speaker 1:Oh, mad Max, yeah, oh, I missed this one. I'm seeing Cam over Jimmy. One cam's the reason I say comments like jailbird poetry. Well, you should stop that, cam. Shame on you. That was great max. Jimmy sold max being stacked bundle style rip. He did do that, I agree. Three jimmy knew better than to throw the franks at cam and 50. I don't think he did all right. Thank you, mad max, for your contribution. You're always entertaining even though you know very little.
Speaker 1:And with that being said, we're gonna go to the downfall of hip-hop groups, guys. I'm gonna tell you the first thing that I noticed when we were doing this. I tried to list all the um iconic hip-hop groups that had broken up, and it was way easier to list the ones that had broken up than the ones that had stayed together. When I got to the ones I was trying to keep together, I was like damn, who's together? Because OutKast ain't together. Tribe Called Quest broke up. Epmd, public Enemy even broke up.
Speaker 1:We all know what happened with NWA. Guys, why do iconic rap groups break up? If we could just keep it to the rap segment we know about Bobby Brown and Teddy Pendergrass and Lionel Richie, smokey Robinson, david Ruffin and the Temptations ass nigga. We know about all these dudes, but why do hip-hop groups suffer the same fate? Because, quite frankly, the money and the stardom isn't the same as it is for the R&B guys when they break off and go solo. What's with the hip-hop group? Disunity, too many egos? The same as it is for the R&B guys when they break off and go solo.
Speaker 3:What's with the hip-hop group? Diff Unity, too many egos. And you know I mentioned a lot earlier. But let me be clear, like I don't want to paint the picture like, oh, they're, you know the epitome of hip-hop groups and you know, yes, they keep their, you know their struggles internal and don't let it come out. But let's, let's be realistic about that situation. They got what? Four group albums and the locks? Yes, they got four albums as a group.
Speaker 3:So I think it's easier to stay connected with that model because they masquerade as solo artists and they reconvene as a group every now and then, versus relying on the group format and then saying, well, this person's going to drop a solo, this person's going to drop a solo. Same thing with Wu-Tang Clan. They only got together every handful of years. You know what I mean. It's a bunch of solo artists that come together like Voltron and form a group, but they really masquerade as solo artists for the most part. So it's easier to navigate that as a group. If you have your own autonomy, so to speak, you're smoking that bro.
Speaker 2:No doubt Appreciate it, because you need that space. When you got egos like that, it's hard to be under one roof and the reason why I've always admired the way RZA did Wu was because he understood that at the gate I got nine personalities including myself. I got to create room under this house of woo so they all can thrive, because I can't keep it every single. You cannot have consecutive albums without those guys going at each other. Next, pause from different. You know different areas of the hood, different, different ways of thinking, grown men, they have families to feed, they have their own silos and so on and so forth. And to your point, when you got like a group, you saw it and coop you. You started off by talking about the, the, the r&b groups that never got a chance to thrive. Think about the subsidiary groups under those guys. Like that, ghost had his team, everyone has a considerable group under them.
Speaker 2:So they're saying you should be the one, you should be the front door, you should be making X, y and Z. There should not be an equal split because your album sold more solo than this person's album. You got that stuff going in your head and now you're thinking like, wow, I am the one the streets are talking about the most. You know, I mean because think about if method man had that true ego when he first launched because he was the one he was supposed to boy for woo just imagine how that could have crippled everything that happened after that.
Speaker 1:you know, I mean, I think I think my perspective and I'm not saying your perspective is wrong. My perspective of it is a little bit different and so let me. Let me explain to you, maybe, where I'm coming from with it. One of the most unselfish moments in hip-hop history to me is the production job that Q-Tip did on the low-end theory, because when I listen to those beats I say those beats are made to make sure that Phife Dawg is more included in this project. This go-around Q-Tip is the obvious star as the emcee and the producer. Part of what makes the low-end theory beautiful is that, well, you know, q-tip sounds great on his stuff but you don't know what Fife does. But Q-Tip shows you on the low-end theory, and I think what happens is that in order for a group to really, really stay together, the star has to make star type of sacrifices that are comparable to being the best player on the team in order to secure the championship. And much like with sports, you know, there usually comes a point where the star maybe gets tired of making the sacrifice at the expense of another player getting the credit that maybe they don't fully deserve. See kevin durant and russell westbrook in oklahoma city. You feel what I'm saying and so let's go to wu-tang clan.
Speaker 1:I've always felt that the number one reason that wu-tang clan stayed together is actually because their front man went platinum out the gate and never left the fucking crew. The first thing that he did was bring his ass right back and give them more classic shit. It's the first thing that he did. He went back and gave dirty raw hod. He went back and give them more classic shit. It's the first thing that he did. He went back and gave Dirty Raw hot. He went back and gave Ray ice cream and Gambino's. He went back and gave GZA living in the world today and shadow boxing.
Speaker 1:Watching your star come back and shine his light on the rest of the crew, like meth did for the Wu projects, like Q-tip did for the low in theory for fife. Those are the things that it takes consistently to keep the group together. Look at what ghost did when the star power transferred to him. He did the same thing meth did held the woo up high, gave everybody their shots when ghost became the thing to do. That's how these groups stay together. Now let's come on down here to Atlanta, georgia. You know where we're going. You know where we're going. You know I was going to do it right. Let's go down here to Atlanta, georgia. We're the star of the group down here. Maybe never wanted to rap with the other guy like that after the second goddamn album and look what happened. Look at what happened, serious. Look at what happens when the star of your group likes to drift instead of putting the group first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's a shame. It's a shame, but real quick to your.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it in a personal manner, like it is what it is.
Speaker 3:No, you keep it. You keep it in the book. You keep it in the book. But real quick, if I can, um, you know, interject um.
Speaker 3:A lot, of, a lot of times we don't acknowledge with the whole woo um infrastructure. You know they got the features on every album but from a business model standpoint that was by design because a lot of people don't know. You know, yeah, it's a look to feature other members from the clan, but from a business standpoint you had to earn your keep because a lot of people don't know the intricacies of the deals because the way RZA had it structured, every clan member was eating off the solo releases as well and getting a percentage. So if you're a clan member and clan member over here, you know Raekwon or whoever drops a solo album and you getting a small check, a piece of that. You know what I mean. And you don't even come through to do a verse on the album but you're still eating off of it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So he did it in a very. You know it was a democracy, what I mean. And you don't even come through to do a verse on the album but you're still eating off of it. You know what I'm saying so. He did it in a very. You know it was a democracy to, even though RZA structured it himself. It was very. It was democracy like you know what I mean, and you had to come through and you had to earn your keep on those records.
Speaker 1:Thank you, that's the thing, ag. I think, the way that RZA structured it he's the first person to take a rapper's contract and incentivize it, maybe in the manner that a sports player's contract is incentivized. It's like well, you know, you know you get 10% of this check over here, but you know you got to come and do the work and, quite frankly, think about back then, especially spitting the pie nine ways. These guys are thinking, well, the better that I rap, the better the song might be, the better it might do, the more it might survive. And so now you're seeing the ferocious nature that they're rhyming with.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have all to do with the impoverished upbringing. It has to do with the unproven upbringing. It has to do with the impoverished upbringing combined with the check being dangled in front of you. Like, oh, you telling me that I might make 20, 25 G's off an album that's not even mine if I just come and lay two verses on Ray's album like, think about a master killer and a you god who were locked up. You know what I'm saying. So that knuckleheads verse is a big deal for a you God. That Glacier's Eyes verse is a big deal for a master killer. Oh no, they about to show up and stunt.
Speaker 3:But that's why every solo album had to be presented like an extension or it was almost like a 2.0 of a Woo album. You know what I'm saying, me and Sean, we're Marvel fans. We talk about civil war. It's a captain America movie, but that's essentially Avengers 2.5.
Speaker 1:It's an Avengers movie with captain America in quotations.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Civil war is the makeup for every woo woo solo album, ensemble, ensemble cast. It might have one person's name as the marquee, but we're going to like, market everybody to you and push it to the forefront to make sure that this is successful, because we all got to eat off this.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Their five best projects, their five best solo projects, are all heavy collaborative efforts. It's a Wu-Tang effort. Their five best projects are all heavy, Wu-Tang efforts Supreme, iron man, purple Tape, like yeah, they're all.
Speaker 2:All of them. It all worked because they trusted RZA out the gate. When they start trusting RZA and they want to go other routes and get other producers like Shaiheen got this song, other Producers when he's talking about that um, dope, dope, record actually, um, and when they started doing that, you start seeing the cracks in the wu-tang armor. Now, granted, they all still came back because the foundation was still there, the brotherhood was still there. And again, I tell you, guys, all the time it's going back to what does your foundation look like? You know what I mean as a collective.
Speaker 2:If your foundation is starting, if you start off being very cracky or creaky or whatever unstable, you can never go back to it. And when we always started talking in the beginning, I said, guys, let's keep everything above board. That's all I ask for. Let's keep everything above board. So in harsh times we can always fall back and say, okay, we kept everything above board, we're going through some differences or what have you, but nothing that we can't fix, because when that foundation is shaky, you can never go back to it because you're going to always fall through the cracks. He actually set that foundation out the gate. He said trust me. For these five years, everyone is going to eat, regardless of what you are going to eat. And then after that, once you are established, you have your own record deal, you have your own situation. I'm doing all for you guys. You have a chance to flourish. After that, I mean, I do For you guys, you have a chance to flourish after that.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, and we always end up back in this place. I think the crack and it's funny that we're saying this, because this is usually what Carl's is cracks, oh, the flood shortened the shelf life on RZA's beats in production.
Speaker 2:It did that needs to be a documentary on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that deserves a whole doc by itself.
Speaker 3:Nah, bro, I'm going to disagree.
Speaker 1:I think two things happen at once yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to hear your thoughts on that. So here's why I'm saying that the flood is problematic. I don't care what anybody says. Riz's Heights is the highest heights a producer has seen in this business in terms of quality of beats for the time that it happened. But the drop-off is pretty succinct and nobody knows. You like your brothers and don't tell me that those dudes that have been rhyming all those beats didn't see the drop.
Speaker 1:Ghost speaks to the drop on Iron man. Some Think about this. There's a reason. The Riz only actually produced three or four tracks beat-wise on Supreme Ghost is speaking to it. On Iron man, things had changed. He knew he couldn't put a beat project of RZA's out and make a classic anymore. It didn't used to be that way. His production drop off now, the flood being another reason. The fact that all of these early projects they're literally almost every track is RZA, except for a beat or two. There's a Brooklyn Zoo by True Master or a Heaters here or there, but for the most part it is RZA. So they did gonna give you the pause beforehand suck the well dry. They did, but the flood could have extended the shelf life of.
Speaker 1:That is what I'm saying okay, okay that's why I'm saying the flood is important is because that five-year run maybe turns into an eight or nine-year run. If he doesn't lose, what 100 200 beats? He said yeah, two over 200.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's it. So, so in, so so back then you used to make, let's say, 30, 40 tracks for an album. So he lost about four or five rule projects that were probably just as good as some of the stuff beat wise. I'm saying we don't know how they're rhyming on it, but beat wise. He probably lost some purple tape, liquid beats Like we can't discount that in the crack.
Speaker 3:I agree with you, coop, now that you you know that you finished your thought, because to that point, when you start to recognize the fall-off happening yourself, you could dip back into that old stash Like you can be in 2000 and get a beat that you made in 98 and it's brand new to the public, you know. So like he could have dipped in those old reserves if that flood never happened. But what I was going to say was I think it was more so two things happening at once and kind of converging. Yes, the brothers in the clan recognized the fall off you know what I mean and they wanted to kind of explore outside of getting theZA production.
Speaker 3:But I think at the same time that was a relief to RZA because he was burnt out just from a management standpoint managing all the personalities, executive producing all these albums Nobody's ever had a five year run like that. And you know, even even like you said, on Supreme, he still needed RZA for executive producer duties to make that come together. But I think as far as the production aspect and managing everybody you can see it on the Wu-Tang show RZA was completely burnt out and drained and, like you said, coop, the well was run dry. But I think, I just don't think that it was a disservice, in my opinion, for them to not give them the vote of confidence. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:The vote of confidence he gave them to get them started. He deserved the vote of confidence back.
Speaker 3:Right, right. That's what doesn't sit well with me, because it's like okay, riz is washed, so I'm going to get beats from whoever else else. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like just, I don't like that, you know there's also, sean, not to cut you short, there's also pun intended. This is also a case of cream rising to the top. You know how Ghost became the best member in Wu-Tang Clan? It's actually he's the one who's done the best about not rapping over RZA's beats. All these other guys' best stuff is still over RZA's beats. Ghost is the only one who's like no, I got a whole classic catalog without RZA's beats on them. He's the only one with a classic catalog without RZA's beats.
Speaker 3:That's true, and he worked the hardest. I mean, it's just hard work at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's the only one with a classic rap catalog that doesn't have RZA's beats all over it. Ray's got a lot of stuff because of the purple tape too, but Ghost just got. Ghost literally has a classic catalog outside of RZA beats, and he's the only Wu-Tang member like that.
Speaker 1:And so that is speaking to his caliber of pin game and how it evolved. Yeah, and so some of that is just like well, you know, these other guys didn't adjust. I can't front like I love deck, but here's what I will give you guys. Oh no, the pillage is better than uncontrolled substance. Just off production.
Speaker 3:It is. But uncontrolled substance is good. I think it. I don't think it gets the credit it deserves. I would really like uncontrolled substance. It's because of what it could have been, because of the flood.
Speaker 1:RZA did more beats on Uncontrolled Substance than he did on the Pillage. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Deck did a lot of Uncontrolled Substance himself he did because I mean the way the show painted it. He got tired of waiting around on RZA, like he lost the Flood album. Rza had his hand in other projects and Deck's like fine, I'll teach myself how to produce. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I've said this many times Deck and Meth took the biggest hills. Yeah, deck and Meth took the biggest hills, from the Flood specifically.
Speaker 3:And here's the thing that people don't talk about. It was two Floods. That's what's funny. It was one in 95. It was one in 95.
Speaker 2:It was back-to-back years One in 94 and one in 95, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the 95 one was the big one. I think the 94 was like a small one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, RZA man, you got to stop keeping the floppy discs on the floor, bro.
Speaker 1:A lot of weed and hash, A lot of weed and hash yeah, a lot of weed and hash, a lot of weed and hash. Yeah, a lot of weed and hash and kung fu flicks late at night. Producer. I don't know how many times my cousin Six would be like laid out on the floor at like 4 o'clock in the morning. I'd be like nigga, why are you laid on the floor? He's like because I hate you rapping ass, niggas. I was like okay, this nigga fucking home, he don't smoke weed anymore. I can't give him a blunt. It's like I'm getting out of here. Step over his ass, step right over his ass while you're walking on the floor. All right, cuz I'll see you later. Nigga, right, that's how it be. That's how it be for the producers too. When you have a collective I was part of a collective my cousin made beats for about 15 different guys. So it's like oh no, I know firsthand, because he'd just be like man, fuck all y'all. I'm like oh OK.
Speaker 1:That's how the producers be sometimes, and so like, yeah, shit happens. Like you work so hard for your artists, you're dedicated to the craft. I understood why the flood happened. It's like, no, the nigga just probably fell asleep working hard for these guys trying to make something of themselves. That's how it happens, and speaking of people working hard.
Speaker 3:We'll go that out real quick. Sorry, coop, but we will never. I'm going to stamp this. We're never going to see hip-hop groups again. I'm going to say that Maybe a duo, maybe a duo or something, but we're never seeing hip-hop groups again. You want to know what by definition.
Speaker 1:I feel, like industry is killing it off too. Like y'all are familiar with Earth Gang down here, right, it's like I love Earth Gang. They're like the last real rap group to come out of this city and it's like I don't think people like even really know they exist.
Speaker 3:That's what makes me worried about the hip hop group. They got a good niche audience. But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:They do. But it's like how many people really outside of atlanta know they exist? Because I'd be talking about earth gang in atlanta. People be like who? I'd be like earth gang south, cascade camel no, you don't know these yeah okay, so the hip-hop group is dying in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're absolutely right, because why would you split the? But I don't knock it, ag, because why would you split the pie, like now, in these days and times, with everything being so viral and social media and all of this? Like you don't make money off of the music anymore, you make money off of you. Why would you split you with somebody? The music has to be fire to do that but, but yeah.
Speaker 3:But, like a lot of times, people don't realize that in the group setting the sum is greater than the individual parts. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:No, okay. So I am of this train of thought. I've always been critical of the fact that Andre 3000 has never made a solo album, and I think everybody solo rap album. Excuse me, because when I used to say so well, he made a flute album. Solo rap album. Excuse me, because when I used to say solo, he made a flute album. Shut the fuck up. You know I'm talking about a rap album. He's never made a solo rap album. But I'm also going to tell you guys something in full, full, full closure and concern Upon further inspection, he might be better off that way, because I'm not sure how good that solo album sounds without Big Boy. I keep trying to tell everybody the records that people know them, for most of that stuff is Big Boy's foundational groundwork Coop.
Speaker 3:He knows that. That's why we never got it, thank you. Just because you don't say something publicly don't mean you don't know it yourself. I don't think he has a desire for it.
Speaker 2:I, you don't say something publicly don't mean you don't know it yourself, right, and so I don't desire for it. I just don't think he has a desire to do it I really don't see.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing, I think because it's all the work on you I think he has the desire for it.
Speaker 1:Hey, look here, when you're as nice as he is on the mic, you can be humble as you want to be. When you're that kind of nice, you know that you're that kind of nice and you know the expectations that come with it. That's what this was about. But I've always been worried about the quality of the material, like I was so happy when Black Thought made Cheat Codes because I had been so concerned for so long about his ability to make a great solo album, but I don't give a damn man.
Speaker 3:At the end of the day it looks totally different just pulling up to the studio dropping a 16, maybe helping out on the hook, versus dropping two to three 16s and coming up with the hook yourself for 12 to 16 tracks. That's a totally different amount of work that has to be put into it and everybody's not cut out for that.
Speaker 1:So, ag, I'll tell you this and every artist who has ever rapped before knows this has been a solo artist and this is why I hold records like Dead President, so high by Jay oh, by the time you were a solo artist, by the time you were done with those first two verses and a hook. If artist, by the time you were done with those first two verses and a hook, if you have a third great verse in you, you are special. It is hard to write three great verses and a dope hook on one record. It is one of the hardest things in music to do. I've been saying it my whole life. It's hard to do so when you are hearing somebody like jay deliver a third verse like that on a dead president's two oh no, that is rarefied air. That's what I tell people.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, no, they don't make guys like that Some of your favorite reps. I'll give you an example and this is what I mean about rarefied air. Now I love Prodigy and I love Quiet Storm. Oh, that third verse ain't as good as them first two verses. That third verse ain't as good as them first two verses. That third verse ain't as good as them first two verses on Quiet Storm, it's not, that's true. It's hard to finish it. It's hard to finish it when you're going solo. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And a lot of times songs would ascend from first to third verse and shout out to the homie I ran, we got a lot of dope people in our Discord. I ran is the biggest person who tries to take us back to the era where we got three verses. He hates this two-verse era. But not to belabor the point though, but I just don't like it when people put Andre 3K in the top five and then don't want to put Biggie in the top five and say you know, he only had two albums. Biggie has been gone from us for 28 years now coming up, and he still has more verses in circulation than Andre 3000, who is alive and well in 2025.
Speaker 1:I love Andre and he, along with Nas and Tupac, were my biggest rap inspirations and I've always told people oh, biggie got more bar seminars on life after death than Andre has in his whole catalog. And I say that somebody that was directly inspired by his bars to emcee myself and I'll tell you objectively, biggie got more bar seminars.
Speaker 3:But even if we're not talking about quality, we're talking about quantity, and Big's been gone for 28 years.
Speaker 1:Quality, that's what I'm saying, andre, don't have a kick in the door. That's what I'm talking about. That three verse shit, it's like.
Speaker 3:No, that's hard, this goes in the third verse is the best use to use disrespectful views on the king.
Speaker 1:I think the first verse is the best verse, but pick a verse, though, because it's not like there, you can pick a verse. That, because it's not like there, you can pick a verse. That's what I'm talking about. It's like oh no, there's a separation and a rarefied air when a guy does that, and so it's not fair to put uh andre next to a big, because even if you're talking brevity and material, it's like I don't have no kick in the door where you were literally just watching this guy stunt on a record and the hook by himself, to the point that you were like, oh my god, this guy might be the best rapper I've ever heard tap dancing audrey doesn't have a rap song that makes you go.
Speaker 1:This might be the best rapper I ever heard. Biggie has a bunch of those songs, jay has a bunch of those songs, naz has a bunch of those songs, tupac has a bunch of those songs. That's why we reverence them the way they do. They have the songs that reflect the fact that they might be the best person we've ever heard.
Speaker 3:They have the actual songs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you. I think the Migos are the last big hip-hop group we're going to see. I think everything else is going to be localized until we get an Outkast or Wu-Tang EPMD Tribe Called Quest type of group, and I just don't think that's promised to us anymore. Nah.
Speaker 2:Nope, it's a wrap.
Speaker 1:Right, we like. Because here's the thing there aren't great front men anymore. The sacrifice for the Q. There aren't any Q tips running around anymore. There aren't any method man's running around anymore. Those guys are gone. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But I mean it was the poverty thing. Like you know, trying to get not only the hood, but you're a crew, anybody I know that got talent in the same situation with me. We're going to put our talents together and try to get out of this impoverished condition. That's how a lot of groups came from.
Speaker 2:Then I feel like that no more, because they know they can make more revenue in the streaming service On TikTok.
Speaker 1:Streaming service can get up on TikTok and make you 10 Gs in a month if you go viral.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Look at LiAngelo.
Speaker 1:Punk ass.
Speaker 3:Mount Rushmore Cut.
Speaker 2:AG's mic off, cut it off right now.
Speaker 1:We got to start having better checks and balances Final actual topic of the evening. We have some business we need to handle before we go. Gentlemen, you know very, very light we need to handle before we go. Gentlemen, you know very, very light skin. It's getting very, very light skin. So Drake has filed a defamation lawsuit against his own label, umg, claiming that, specifically, the pedophilic drip, the pedophilic dripping lyrics, pdf, pdf, pdf.
Speaker 3:PDF file.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the PDF file. I like that, thank you. Thank you Probably already lost all our money anyway. Pdf file From Not Like Us. Apparently Drake is stating has been used by UMG to devalue his worth in negotiations with said label. I found this to be very light-skinned of the Elda, barge and Prince variety guys. What do you say, ag? You appear to be pensive about this. Ag, I'm going to let you go first. Go ahead and get it off. Keep my OVO jacket. It might be a wire in the jacket.
Speaker 3:I'm going to try to keep it brief. Every diss track is defamation right. Every last one of them, every one of them. I don't understand the thought process behind this. Yes, it's likely lies and alright. So if you're suing UMG right, saying that they're behind this record, and Coop, I know you're one to say that Not Like Us is not like that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 3:I've always told you that it's a great record but you know, I think Drake is of the mindset that it wouldn't ring off like that if it wasn't defaming him. And UMG is being behind that, and hence we got this lawsuit. But if Drake is their cash cow for so many years, umg and he's in a battle with Kendrick Lamar, and Kendrick Lamar is the I ain't going to say the new kid on the block, but he's the best thing smoking right now, because he's smoking Drake's boots Right, and he comes out with a song that, soon as you hear it, registers like oh, this is a hit, this is a banger. You know what I mean. So what in the hell is a parent distribution company supposed to do? They're supposed to get behind the rep, the record, to push it to a mass revenue. Yes, you're a casualty of that, drake. You know what I mean. You just so happen to be getting this in the, in the record, but UMG is out to make money. They don't care about your feelings. They're saying damn your films, they're going to get behind the record and do whatever they need to do. Yes, they're going to get behind the record and do whatever they need to do. Yes, they're going to get to all the streamers. Yes, they're going to get it to the radios? Yes, they're going to push it to be performing at the Super Bowl. Because they're going to push all their chips in the center of the table on Kendrick Lamar, because they're riding the wave just like everybody else. Isn't that what they're supposed to do as a corporate business, yes or no? They did it for him Exactly so when it's not for him, all of a sudden, now it's a problem.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine Meek suing them for, like you know, the backing on back-to-back? You know what I'm saying? It's just kind of weird that he's doing this. It's like, bro, take your L and move on and sit down. He's down worse than Cole right now. I think that this move is career suicide and you get demoted under Cole at this point Because it's like you have a contingent of rap fans that didn't mess with Drake anyway because of you know what I'm saying corny stuff. He did his upbringing, him being light-skinned, what have you? You know what I mean. You think you're going to come back from a lawsuit win, lose or draw and those people want to be like down for what you're doing. No, they're not.
Speaker 1:AG, I'm going to push back, although I agree with you, but I'm going to push back for the sake of progressing the conversation because just in our time knowing each other and dealing with you, I had a feeling that you were going to say this, so I'm just going to offer you some respective pushback after I get to this super chat. Mad Max with $20. Oh Lord, this is about to be long. God help us, andre. And Most Def, the same person to me. I told you it is about to be long. God help us, andre. And Mos Def, the same person to me. I told you it was about to be long. Lord, mos, better, because black on both sides exists, but when I see guys who are brilliant go and do experimental albums right after, or none at all, tells me you can't handle the pressure or you snubbing hip hop. It's actually pretty tame by Mad Max's standard.
Speaker 1:We'd like to thank you for your actual, coherent contribution to the check back first of all, you're wearing a hat that says pause and I just noticed it, you're wild. Stop the show, cut the tape, cut the tape cut the tape off.
Speaker 3:You see it, wow somebody tell Jim to take the gloves off with the rings over that, bro. Like come on now, man. I don't know, I just had to throw that out there.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry and this is just me saying this, for devil's advocate, I'm not defending draking this, because I do feel like a lot of this is indefensible, because some of this shit is just a little bit close to being like police work for me.
Speaker 1:Quite frankly, if Prince were to do this, would I say that he was doing this for the industry, probably because he was the type of person that would do it for the industry, for the artist, and so I think the question that is on the table is this because your feelings hurt because you got your ass whooped nigga, or is this about the real artistic integrity of it?
Speaker 1:Because he's the only rapper with enough power and clout and money to buck the system like this? So if that's what you're doing, if you're using your money and your power and your clout to buck the system, because down the line, this is going to benefit artists in this position, that's the only way I can rock with you on this, because my favorite artist of all time, who I literally have almost all his albums hanging up on the wall behind me. That is the type of shit that guy would do, and I know that for a fact, and so if you're doing it under that premise I'm okay. Any other premise isn't okay and that's the only way that I see it. What do you say to my retort AG?
Speaker 3:it just doesn't work because the timing of it I mean he could have did this at any time, but he just so happened to be up for contract negotiations for himself.
Speaker 1:And then he's saying like, okay, y'all trying to not pay me what I'm worth, because hold on, but don't I don't mean to cut you short, but don't people in positions of power and money typically do this to the artist or to the talent. Remember what hey sean, you'll remember this. Remember when the dallas cowboys, wearing demarco murray, like almost 800 carries in two years on the last two years of his contract and then was like oh well, you know, you're 29 years old and you just ran 800 carries in two years, nigga, you ain't no good, no more, bye, nigga. You remember when they did that?
Speaker 3:but here's the shock of your life cool drake's value was down before the battle even happened. Oh, period, I told my homie who is a big-time Drake fan. When For All the Dogs came out, I was like it's over. Dude need to take a break, chill out, let people miss him a little bit. He need to fall back. Drake fatigue is real. If Drake was still at his peak and it was like that, he wouldn't have had to spin the block and make the scary hours version of for all the dogs to appease, like certain, certain part of the fandom.
Speaker 3:So I said that, so I agree yeah, his stock was already on the downhill slope. You know what I mean. And then the battle just helped put the nail in the coffin. So you're suing UMG for doing something that they're supposed to do as a parent record company. They're promoting somebody. You just happen to be a casualty award.
Speaker 3:Yes, you're the subject of the disc record. Yes, it's saying some heinous stuff about you, but doesn't. Every disc record? You know, every disc record is defamation and I really don't think that kendrick thinks that. Let's put it this way. I don't think kendrick thinks that drake is a real pdf file. Here's why. Because you're not going to create a song that you can dance to, like that, where a potential victim can hear that and get triggered, just like the target can get triggered. I think you know this. Records are used to get this. Records are used to get angles, and whatever is the best angle to play is usually the best angle that wins whoever does it the most creatively. And kendrick played the best angle and he won. And drake is crying sour grapes. He can't take it in respect. This is all from a person who's supposed to be quote-unquote, unbothered by the whole thing. And then what is the endgame of this? Even if he wins against UMG, what does this do for his career?
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying. He really doesn't stand anything to gain other than standing his ground on an artistic standpoint. That's why I referenced Prince, because I can't see the logic in it personally. First of all, how about this? For the entirety of their careers, this is the first time Kendrick is outpacing Drake numbers-wise. Is that about the quality of records? Is that about the Drake fatigue? I'm agreeing with you, ag. I actually think it's both. It's a combination.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely the fact that kendrick made a great record where he just ran all through your ass, paul but you know what drake would have something if kendrick wasn't a superstar or a megastar before this happened, because it would look kind of crazy. It would look kind of crazy. It would look kind of crazy, like you know, if this was out of nowhere. But damn, did better numbers than gnx back then. And here's the thing too. But here's the thing too people don't talk about if the fight was in, if the fight was fixed and umg was just looking to get drake out of here because they were negotiating numbers in a contract and they wanted to push Kendrick to the forefront, wouldn't they did it earlier? It took five records from Kendrick for them to get to that point. But it's an obvious banger. I would look at this a little bit funny if Euphoria was like everywhere going crazy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, what I would tell you. I'm about to use a league of their own reference. There's no crying in baseball. It's like this is rap, this is rap. That's the problem with it. That's what I'm saying. Like is he saying something that I find business practice wise, to be fundamentally correct? Oh yeah, I do believe that your label will use something like this to leverage the contract negotiations, Like how about this? Look what's about to happen to Sam Darnold. Oh, Sam Darnold not getting $50 million a year after how he played those last two games. So UMG is probably looking at Drake and like we're not handing you that after the boogeyman just boogied, the boogeyman just gangsta boogied on your ass and you want some more money from us? They're like nigga, no.
Speaker 3:This confirms to me that Drake has always been scared to go independent, no matter how big of an artist he is.
Speaker 1:No, this is no AG. He is the modern existence of the machine. If he were to go independent, the machine would fall apart, and so would he. The machine don't exist without him, and vice versa. To a degree, that's what I mean. If this is about you fighting the machine, from an artistic perspective I can rock with you, but it's really just coming off like you got your ass whooped. He ain't doing it for the culture, though, crew.
Speaker 1:He ain't doing it for the culture of the artist coming off like you just got your ass whooped and you don't have an appropriate response, because here's who I thought about today. Man Eazy-E got dissed like a motherfucker to an all-time level by Ice Cube and Dr Dre, and you never heard him cry or complain about it one time. He just made real motherfucking Gs and kept it pushing.
Speaker 3:He did too. But didn't Jerry Heller want to sue?
Speaker 1:Fellas, fellas, Hold on hold on. The businessman wanted to sue, not the street dude from Compton who was the businessman Bingo.
Speaker 3:So Drake moving like Jerry Heller.
Speaker 1:And that's what I mean about this being problematic if you're moving that way, because, well, you do understand that forever and ever and ever, oh, the cred don't matter and you, being as big as you are, don't get to take the cred away, so you better be doing this about the artists. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:What you got, Sean. You got something to say.
Speaker 2:I think we missed an amazing point here.
Speaker 2:Drake can fight two battles at the same time. He's trying to fight the battle of losing to Kendrick and he's trying to fight the battle of reopening. At the same time, he's trying to get UMG to shell out all of this money that he feel that he is owed for what he's done for UMG in any capacity based on what he has done in hip-hop, the uplifting that he felt that he's done in hip-hop. When you look at that point of it and you look at the fact that he's getting his boot smoked by Kendrick and everybody else who's talking about him, he's not that guy anymore at this point. He lost all of that at the same time while he's still trying to fight UMG. The thing about all of these fellas we've been saying this for a long time and hip hop turned into rapping bullshit. Just like RZA said back in 97, r&b, rap and bullshit, because that's all this was. We said that this was going to be the biggest and most delightful battle because you got the people's champ who is Kendrick. You've got the self-proclaimed king of hip-hop.
Speaker 1:You got the machine.
Speaker 2:It's the machine, it's the machine behind him who took care of him for all of these years. Umg took care of Drake for all. Keep in mind, drake was breaking records of Michael Jackson. Think about this fellas.
Speaker 1:He's still in. He's still in, it's still going on, yeah, bigger than hip hop, bigger than hip hop.
Speaker 2:Right, you're talking about crossover to the third power. You're talking about an entire country behind him. What he's done, what I feel, in my personal opinion, where Drake lost me, was the fact that he kicked off this battle, this beef, like he really had some smoke to give, and when things didn't go his way, he went the detour route. He started going the legal route, not so much as for the battle, but to try to get a bag in the process of still trying to rationalize the fact that he lost the battle to a higher caliber MC that he should have lost to regardless.
Speaker 3:But Sean, I really don't think he can fathom that. Not like us. Is that good Like he's like? This can't be right. It has to be a fixed fight.
Speaker 1:A lot of people can't. No, I'm about to say oh, I hate it when I have to be the voice or reason of this, and I've always said this. First of all, I mean and you all know this Well I'm really a Pusha T fan at my car. I'm from Charlotte, north Carolina. How Pusha T raps is how most people in North Carolina rap More of a traditional East Coast aesthetic for rap. I said this and people always thought it was like oh, team Drake. The only reason that I picked Drake in this battle is because I didn't have any quantifiable facts in my opinion. Trademark no, no, you haven't trademarked it yet. I actually filed paperwork for it last week. You're in a lot of trouble. You're in a lot of trouble. I'm definitely going to sue you, sean, if you say it.
Speaker 2:It's already done. You have three more weeks, sean.
Speaker 1:You have three more weeks. You have three more weeks before everything's finalized. About to hit Sean up for a couple bands for Christmas, but no, about to hit sean up for a couple bands for christmas, but no, no, all jokes aside, I picked drake in this battle because I really didn't have any quantifiable facts all jokes aside, that kendrick could prove that he could stunt like this, and I know drake was thinking the same thing. But you have to be rooted in the reality of the matter. He smoked your ass and these moves that you're making in hip hop terms.
Speaker 1:I get how large you are in the not just the hip hop space, but just the entertainment world space. You were one of music's big, biggest stars, like I can put you next to Taylor Swift and like all that shit, and it's like we know that you lost. Take your L the way that we take our L's in the space. Don't try like no, for real. Don't try to circumvent or redefine the space, because you're the biggest artist that's existed in the space. The space is still the space. You got your ass whooped. Take your lumps and come back better.
Speaker 3:Don't do all this shit he's in full Karen mode because you could be sneaky on some business stuff. Because when imagine Jay, yeah, but imagine Jay suing Sony after Ether, jay still got his business shit off, but he was sneaky about it Ron Browns couldn't get work. Ron Browns was bite-balled for producing either, but that's sneaky on the low stuff. Drake, wearing his lawsuit like a badge of honor, like yo, I'm taking you to court.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why I brought up Easy, because Easy was a real street dude Look at how. Easy handled it and, quite frankly, that's the way we used to our G's handling it. We used to handle it. By g's, I mean easy took two of the biggest shots ever and all he did was make one of the like. First of all, real motherfucking g's might be the best west coast beat ever man that beat is hard real quick.
Speaker 1:I'll put that beat up against any dr dre, beat like outside of two or three. And then he found bone thugs in harmony, right, all I'm saying. Isazy kept his motion in motion, bounced back like a real G does, and it's like we don't see him behave this way about it. And then I'm looking at the quality of records. It's like now, don't go out like no sucker in front of us because the numbers ain't going to matter at the end of the day. If you're going out like a sucker, like nobody cares about your numbers and in your space, if you're going to be on some sucker shit, and he's stifling his own material from coming out because the album with Party Next Door is supposedly done.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. So that's not going to see the light of day if he got this lawsuit. But let me ask y'all this, because this is the question I'm dying to know, because I'm like nauseated talking about this still in 2025, this battle you know what I'm saying Granted, we appreciate it, it's been a stimulus package for the pod, but with all the, with all the corny stuff, we all get to 2025 with all the corny stuff that's happened within this battle.
Speaker 3:You know we we've held this battle up pretty high, like the only battle I have over top of it is jay and naz, right, but I think this gets demoted each each corny thing that happens. Like you got the apology. You got hearing from Rick Ross and people you don't want to hear from. You got like Kanye coming out of nowhere and saying we're energized for taking down Drake and making remixes of songs nobody asked for off the Future album. And then you got like then you got Drake with the lawsuits and stuff like that. I mean, to me, everything that happened just kind of knocks us down a peg and has taken away from the great music that we got. How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1:I never had a highlight. I agree with you, ag, because it's kind of like first of all, you're the instigator in this, me Drake is. Drake is the instigator in this and you're the instigator, and this is why I always applauded Jay, even though he lost. Oh no, he was the instigator. He knew he was the instigator, so he stuck to the script. He didn't pivot, he kept coming.
Speaker 3:He stood on his square.
Speaker 1:He stood on his square and he did not pivot, no, he kept coming. Now, what he came with wasn't good enough, but he did stand on his square and keep coming, and that's the part of it that I don't like. It's like, man, I really wish. Can you give I'm not even saying it gotta be a diss record. Can I get some quality subs from you out of this situation?
Speaker 3:no, it's been some decent subs. It's been some decent subs quality. How about this?
Speaker 1:the most animated, sean. It's been some decent subs. It's been some decent subs. Yeah, I said quality, it's been decent. I'm talking about quality. I mean, how about this?
Speaker 3:That's the most animated Sean Vidal show. Right Hold on when I say quality.
Speaker 1:AG, I mean something worthy of stirring Kendrick's ire again.
Speaker 3:I haven't heard oh okay, no, not that. But I think no face was a solid effort. Effort, like I said, something that would make kendrick go, you trying to dance again. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, I got you. If you're not doing that, I got you. No, it hasn't. It hasn't been that right, but he's been. He's been focusing his gaze in other places, like but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:If we're not doing that, though, what are we doing? That's the draw. We're not going through the marquee to watch you do this. Other like we not. We just not.
Speaker 3:But it's like the boogeyman, you know what I'm saying Kendrick staring him in the face and Drake's like oh, I see you, lebron, I see you over there, demar, you know what I'm saying? Oh, umg, umg. And Kendrick's right there in his face, like you know what I'm saying Like that's where we are today.
Speaker 2:This is not nothing new. We've seen this before.
Speaker 3:It's a weak era. It's a weak era. Yes, you are correct.
Speaker 2:When pushing that Drake. What did Drake say? He said he went too far. Styles P had to come back and say nah, that's part of the battle. You've got to go far. You've got to take it to a place where that person feels uncomfortable. Drake, he took it to a place before with me that made it uncomfortable. He talked about me, his girlfriend at the time, nicki.
Speaker 3:It's okay when it's him, though.
Speaker 2:Hold on. When the rabbit got the gun. Now he's scaring away.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He didn't take it to that threshold. He said if you got all of this, drop it right now. He did. He dropped it over and over and over. And now you're sitting there, you get dizzy because you're like I didn't think this was going to happen. I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 3:None of us did no one saw this coming.
Speaker 1:So let's go through some revisionist history right quick. Well, now we can look at back to back and it's like, oh well shit, you were probably closer to Nicky than Meek was. That's why that record came off so well. You have more information and more ammo to go off of. You didn't have that with Kendrick. You don't have no inside information.
Speaker 2:But he just had to.
Speaker 1:No, he had to go off the bars this time, and it didn't go well.
Speaker 2:It didn't land. Those punches were landing. He was hitting them, but it wasn't landing. Family Matters was not a bad diss.
Speaker 1:I like the hard part six better. But yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2:That's the stamina that you got to have in a hip-hop battle. That's one of the things. Nas said that. Eric B told him that. The stamina that you got to have in a hip hop battle, that's one of the things. Now, I said that Eric B told him that Ross said you want to go into this, be prepared, you're going to have to. There is a stamina that comes with a hip hop battle Meaning, if I drop this and he dropped that, I got to, I got to have something else. I can't empty my clip and not have anything to say or respond back to. He misjudged this entire battle, right.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Well, the only battle that he's clearly won from this era was the Meek battle, and it's starting to look like maybe he won. I'll give him comment. Okay, so I don't think that's modern day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but here's the thing, here's the funny part. He told Kendrick to do exactly what Kendrick did, and then you want to get mad and sue people about it. He was like talk about? You know what I'm saying? You heard it on the Joe Button podcast. Talk about him with underage women. You know what I'm saying? I know you got a quadruple, quadruple, double entendre or whatever. Give me all that. He asked for this. Taylor Maid was him digging his own grave. I told Sean that from day one. Hey, taylor.
Speaker 1:Maid, and he has received it. But that's what I'm saying. It is like no, if you're going to lose, you need to lose. The way EZ lost, the way J lost, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I'm not cosigning the behavior, I'm saying oh no, that's not how you do this business he took the push of lost more graceful and I think that was kind of odd to me because push of, I know he didn't look at push of. He didn't have a choice, he got outed yeah, he did, but I know he didn't look at push of like on his level. But Kendrick is very much on Drake's level, but it was on the back of Pusha.
Speaker 1:No, no, no see what happened with the Pusha battle is that he didn't take Pusha seriously because Pusha's the better MC actually, but stature wise not fair.
Speaker 3:Well, kendrick is every bit the MC Pusha yeah, drake said well, this is going to fall on deaf ears like whatever you know.
Speaker 1:Kendrick is different, because Kendrick is lyrically inclined like Pusha, but he's star-inclined like Drake. So look here, the Spider-Man meme is really Kendrick looking at Kendrick. That's what the fuck really happened.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing Kendrick dropped a diss record moments after Drake dropped his. That turned everything upside down in real time, because he was like what just happened. How did that happen?
Speaker 1:It's one of the greatest moves in this rap history.
Speaker 3:It didn't even have to be better, it's just strategically how he did it.
Speaker 1:It's a move, that's what I'm saying. It's one of the best moves. I didn't say song baby Moves, it's one of the best moves.
Speaker 2:It's all about timing. And then you that up again and you're going to drop. Not like us, it just it makes it. Now I'm on your head, I'm on your neck right now. You can't respond because you're going into whirlwind. You don't know who's in Drake's ear at this time and this camp telling him don't do nothing yet, Just let him shoot the clip. And now that everybody's getting behind it, and now, when you get behind it, the momentum is starting to build up, Even with Jay and Nas.
Speaker 2:When Jay came back with Super Ugly, we were like yo, that was not the move. You know what I'm saying. And then what Jay did. Jay went to the radio station and he was crying and whining. He went too far with that. He did that right, but he waited for a little while. He came back on Blueprint 2. He had the proper response after Blueprint 2, which finally took him almost a year, or what have you to do that? So the stamina that Jay had was there, but the punches weren't landing, because by that time your punches are a little bit weaker.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. I don't think. I actually don't think Jay's punches were weaker. It's that Nas was hitting him with some heavy stuff, he was hitting him with ether, and you're the man and last real nigga alive.
Speaker 3:You want to be me is underrated. I love you. You want to?
Speaker 1:be me. That's what I'm saying, Like no, no, no. And here's what people forget about this. People think ether is the diss record. No, Nas made about six or seven diss records.
Speaker 3:He did. I, like you, want to be me better than Ether pretty much. I think it's more scathing, but let's bring it back to the law.
Speaker 1:You want to be more disrespectful, because it's more of a straight up and down disrespect Bingo.
Speaker 3:Let's bring it back to the lawsuit for a minute, because I want to ask both of y'all this I'm still stuck on the fact that UMG did what a label is supposed to do. I'm looking at this EP that Kendrick put out, or whatever, like you're releasing the album. We talked on a bunch of shows ago about Cole talking about when he was signed to Jay-Z. Jay-z kept saying like yo, you don't got a hit yet. You don't got a hit yet. I'm not putting the album out until you have a hit. Coop, you said the same thing about Black Rob's album until he got woke right. All right, we got Euphoria, we got 616. We got Meeting the Grams and then we finally got Not Like Us.
Speaker 3:Now, if it was a fixed fight to me, that would have happened earlier in these releases. But when everybody heard Not Like Us I can attest to this myself. I was with my girl and my girl's son. I was sitting there. I was like yo, this is going to be a hit. Like as soon as I first heard it, this is going to be out of here. And that's like when a record label hears a single and it's like that's the one, that's the one we're going to push. That's the one we're going to get behind. That's the one that's going to sell a bunch of records or whatever, right, so, yes, he just so happens to be called a PDF file on the record, but anybody with ears can hear that, not like us. Is the record that apparent label company should get behind to push everywhere they can. Am I wrong?
Speaker 1:No, you're not wrong, got to, you got. I mean, here's also the reality of the matter and this is what I mean about like, no, not even drake, who is fast, like the conversation between sales wise, biggest artists in this space, is a drake and eminem conversation at this point. Yeah, but you cannot circumvent a quality record backed with your star power. Your star power is still not enough in this space. The record gotta back it.
Speaker 1:And what this is really about, at the end of the day, kendrick has the star power and the past year, he made the one or two records, quite frankly, that were better than drake's best one or two records, quite frankly, that were better than Drake's best one or two records. And that's how this motion goes. Kendrick made the better records. Now, drake has been the bigger star up to this point, the entirety of the time. But when one person who is comparable to you, this is kind of like one of those things it's like well, people thought Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler were close. They played one-on-one in the finals bingo and we realized that, well, clyde is a hall of famer and he's an all-time great player.
Speaker 1:This other guy is going down with all the greats already. That was nice he's already going down and so what we're really finding out at the end of the day. Kendrick is all-time great and we still have some question marks about Drake because actually his battle record is very LeBron James-like in the NBA finals it ain't 500.
Speaker 3:Hey Coop. The difference between talented and gifted once again.
Speaker 1:See, I think Drake is gifted. I think they're both gifted.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's still levels though.
Speaker 1:No, I tell people this all the time. Oh no, if you're actually talking about overall talent, I do think drake is more talented, he's just not the more talented more versatile, more versatile talent because when you can sing and rap the way that you can sing, he can sing and rap. You are the more gifted person. You are not the more gifted writer. And when you were battling about the bars, it's a more versatile thing.
Speaker 3:But I want to make one more quick point. This is my last point, but I want to give credit to Sean. Sean called it early on in the battle. Don't give credit to Sean, but Sean said early on in the battle it was a mistake when territorial lines got drawn. Not Like Us is the first West Coast sounding record out of all the discs that Kendrick put out. So not only does it sound like a hit, it's anthemic that the West Coast can get behind it.
Speaker 3:And I was talking to my homie the other day and he was talking about know what gang culture in la and all that stuff. La, or people, they, they can unite behind a common cause because they got a whole lot of pride. And we're talking about new york, about the dip sets falling out with each other, whatever. New york will never have a movement like that, because they can't. You know it's too much infighting, you know what I mean. So not only do you have it right, so not only do you have it Right, so not only do you have a hit record, you have a record that everybody can have pride about and get behind. But Drake just happens to be the casualty of it. Sorry, buddy.
Speaker 1:So listen to what I'm about to say. Ag, who's been the main person in this pod space for you're saying well, kendrick, need to make some West coast shit for his folks. Do you see what happened? Yeah, you have. You, I was.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm telling people it's like no, don't look at me like I'm crazy I'm the one that's been calling like no, he needs to go back home and make some west coast stuff, because those people will support you like nobody's business if you get down what they get down with and and he delivered on GNX.
Speaker 3:Because he didn't change up the formula. He didn't say like well, let me go over here and make another conceptual album.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. But look, think about this. He ain't made no West Coast shit in a decade. But as soon as he did he went past Drake in numbers, stature, battle, all that. All he had to do was rep his city. That's it. That's all I've been saying. Rep your city. Stop making all this artsy and creative stuff. He's such a creative genius Like when you make some shit, the homies can ride to. I used to live out there. I know these niggas.
Speaker 3:Come back home, come back home.
Speaker 1:Come back home and come spend these blocks right quick and make some shit that these niggas like.
Speaker 3:And as soon as he did happen, what's smart is, this is his most dumbed down album, because you've inherited all those casual fans that used to be Drake fans. Now they riding your wave. I'm going to have to dumb it down to appease that ear that I know I just gained.
Speaker 1:The album sound Cali. That's all I got to say. There's only been one person in this space for the last four years. That's been like he need to make some West Coast shit. Nah, you've been saying that Soon, as he did. Look what happened. He done took Drake down a notch. He got this fool suing people.
Speaker 3:Who down worse, cole or Drake?
Speaker 1:Drake.
Speaker 3:I'm saying Drake at this point.
Speaker 1:I told you I told you, the Spider-Man theme is Kendrick looking at Kendrick, because both of you dudes is on the outs. I'm only going to say Drake because, quite frankly, my delete later is better than any product Drake put out last year and we further removed from Cole's fuckery than we are from Drake's. What?
Speaker 3:day are we, on Today's the 16th, cole's fuckery than we are from Drake's? Well, cole. And what day are we on Today's the 16th, cole's birthday, january 28th. I'm gonna put it out there. I think he's gonna try to drop on his birthday. I don't have no information, I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 1:But Can I tell you the truth it's taking too long. I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3:But I think if he comes out with a good product he'll be in a better space than what Drake is.
Speaker 1:Comes out with a good product. Yeah, a dope album. I don't want to talk about this. It needs to be more than dope.
Speaker 2:It needs to be monumental, it needs to be classic, it needs to shake the room.
Speaker 3:Well, I did say on here before he had to drop a classic. I said it wouldn't matter if he dropped a classic because he would always be in third. It don't matter. But drake doing such a good job but, like you know, shooting himself in the foot he's cheddar bobbing himself. So if cole puts out a classic album he might move into second place nah, here's how.
Speaker 2:Here's how wacky it all is. We'll be doing it.
Speaker 1:Drake is still going to do numbers oh yeah, yeah, we ain't talking about that, but but how? How much are we valuing the numbers in the wacky it all is?
Speaker 3:Drake is still going to do numbers? Oh yeah, but how much are we valuing the numbers in the grand scheme of things? We got to be consistent as fans. We can't say the numbers are important one minute and then, when our favorite artists don't sell, like yo, numbers is not important. We can't do that.
Speaker 1:Can I say something to both of you? The numbers shouldn't be as big. His quality hasn't been as good. That's what I mean about.
Speaker 3:That's what I said. Look at this one Certified lover boy. Honestly, never mind For all the dogs.
Speaker 1:All bad. Kendrick isn't just winning because he won the battle. He did make the more quality songs.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Songs are better.
Speaker 3:But Family Matters is fire. I'm not going to hold you. But yes, he made the best quality songs.
Speaker 1:Family Matters and the Heart, part 6. Both of those records combined might not be as good as Not Like Us, you're lost.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing. If Kendrick dropped another album this year, and if it's one of those, does that I mean? What does that do to all of this within itself? Because at this point I'm ready to move on from it. To be quite honest, how about this?
Speaker 1:What if? What if? What if? Cole drops something? That's better than anything the three of them have done since. Damn, that's the only thing that switches the narrative for me.
Speaker 2:It's possible, I don. I don't think it changes anything, fellas it's possible, I'm gonna ask you two questions, right, quick, sean.
Speaker 1:Well, one question and we'll see if it leads into the other questions. Do you think jay cole is capable of making something as good as or better than damn at this stage?
Speaker 2:yes, I, I think he, I think he has it in him. I really don't.
Speaker 1:So if you think that he has it in you I know you haven't been the biggest fan of his behavior If you think he has that quality of a record in him, you don't think he could experience the same spike Kendrick just experience, or something comparable to you. Think that's plausible If he does make a record of that quality, because that's the thing that keeps getting lost in what kendrick has done. And I said this I said not like us is the best record he's made since anything on damn gnx is the best thing that he's made since damn and not like us is still better than everything on on gnx.
Speaker 2:Like there is something to do with the quality of music that he just made versus what he had been putting out and the spike in it, because he's already a megastar in this space but I think the problem we're going to run into with cole is that his situation has become immutable and because it's immutable, at this point I don't think he's going to be able to connect to the audience like he probably would have a couple of years ago. That's a valid point. They're not going to change their opinion, no matter how dope this album is. That's the unfortunate part of hip hop that we're in right now. Hip hop has become immutable. Hip-hop has become immutable. If they feel like I feel this way about this artist, no matter what he or she does, I am not going to stand up and support it regardless.
Speaker 2:We've seen that over the years. When we were coming up, we paid attention to our own ear. We knew what we wanted to hear and we went and represented for it, no matter what. We bought Nostradamus because it was nice. I love Nostradamus because I have to say it. I'm going to figure right what you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:He owes me $14.99.
Speaker 2:We showed up, it went platinum because we already had a, we were already connected to that brand, regardless.
Speaker 1:Ooh, he did go platinum off brand recognition. He did Exactly, he did go platinum off brand recognition.
Speaker 2:When your brand has been attacked the way Cole's brand has been attacked last year, and you got the rise pause of Kendrick, even more so. And you got Drake's downfall. In the middle of all of that, his fan base who still want to rap. They're going to rap as much as they possibly can, but you've got those drifters, and there's a lot of drifters in hip-hop.
Speaker 1:There's a lot. Okay, sean. Okay, this is where it becomes so nuanced and so sketchy. Because it's's like, even when you're saying all that and I hear and respect what you're saying but it's like what world do we live in? Because it's like we're talking about Drake falling off and he's still outpacing everybody not named Kendrick and Eminem. Is that what falling off looks like? Because if that's falling off, everybody need to be falling. The fuck up falling off.
Speaker 3:I'm going to throw Drake a lifeline. I don't think he wins this lawsuit, but I think he'll get a small moral victory if this could just buy him time through the Super Bowl and not, like us, doesn't get to get played on the Super Bowl stage.
Speaker 1:Hey, how about this? Not like us? Getting played on the Super Bowl stage is about to help his lawsuit. What do you say about that? Absolutely.
Speaker 3:That's why they don't play it. That's what I'm saying. That would be a small win for him.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what if this is just strategic about making sure that Not Like Us doesn't go viral at the Super Bowl and after that?
Speaker 3:But I don't see why a band can't play the tune. I just don't think he can say the lyrics, but I wouldn't risk it with, with the, with the litigation, I wouldn't risk it?
Speaker 1:How about this? This is what I'm saying, so, so hold on. So that's what I mean about. Is this about the artistic value and merit of how contracts get handled by the label, or is this just about you not wanting to get chomped off at the Superbowl?
Speaker 3:I think that's part of it. But if I'm Kendrick, I'm saying whatever, forget, not Like Us. I don't need that song for my Super Bowl set. I'm standing on my square as my artist, as an artist with my catalog, and saying you know what, I don't care, I don't need that song.
Speaker 1:How about this? I'll tell you this when I listened to GNX I was like, oh, he knew he was getting the Super Bowl performance, because the Scissor Records playing at that Super Bowl.
Speaker 3:With Squabble Up and TV Off, if you ask me. They're all in the same wheelhouse. You don't need to perform, Not Like Us.
Speaker 1:I'll take Squabble Up over. Not Like Us, I love squabble up.
Speaker 2:TV off as well. I can sit in TV off as well. Man at the Garden Bray Nas out. I don't think I'm supposed to say that.
Speaker 3:That would be fire. Are you still in my idea, Sean? Because I said that first.
Speaker 2:I don't recall, you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song.
Speaker 1:I mean you know I line and made it a hot song. I mean you know I mean last time I checked they did share the same management so yeah they shared the same management.
Speaker 2:He did say Nas, the only one that congratulated him. Let's look at the tea leaves.
Speaker 1:Still wondering why he did that, but that's a whole other conversation for another day. Just want to be happy with everybody. These days, that's great, so happy, so happy.
Speaker 3:I'm going to sue you too, Sean. You got two lawsuits coming here.
Speaker 1:I mean Sean. I mean, let's be honest Between me and Sean Hip Hop Talks probably has about seven, eight lawsuits coming this year.
Speaker 2:We need to get ready for litigation. We need to get ready for litigation.
Speaker 1:Let's get to some super chats and then let's get the press play and get out of here. Fellas LP with the $4.99, bell money LP. I always need that. My brother was talking crazy to me today. He was. I told him I was like you come up here, you ain't coming back down. Don't do that dumb shit. Mad Max with the $1.99 super chat.
Speaker 1:'t do that dumb shit. Oh man, mad Max with the 199 Super Chat, laugh my ass off. Yo, melly Mel just blacks on his channel. Well, melly Mel does that. So next, yeah, I love him to death. He's our first all-time great rapper.
Speaker 3:Tell him to put his shirt on All right.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's worn a shirt since 1995. It's been all tank toppers, shirtless, since 1995.
Speaker 3:Bo just had on some suspenders. One day I was like that's wild.
Speaker 1:Shirtless with some suspenders, that's dictionary worthy Nasty work. And then just have Melly Mel suspenders, big ponytail looking all puffy and shit. Nasty work. It is Mad Max 199. Disagree, we changed our tune on Gunna. Fire is fire.
Speaker 2:The region did Not 200 million.
Speaker 1:So this is what I mean. Drake's biggest problem isn't Kendrick, it's the music. It's the music. Gunna album was fire y'all. Gunna sold out State Farm down here. I told you, these niggas' projects ain't sound the same without Gunna. Ain't nobody even talking about this Lil Baby project, no more.
Speaker 2:If Drake get the stimulus package from the Futures and these other guys that he used to collaborate with and they somehow go back to him on his side, that's his only way, in my opinion, that he can get in a decent position. They got to go back to him Like. Honestly, I really do.
Speaker 3:You just created an optical illusion on how things look and how perception is not always reality, sean, because you just said if they get the stimulus package from collaborating with him, that stimulates his album. Right, but everybody would have you think it's the reverse, that he did that for them. But Kendrick alluded to as much in the final verse of Not Like Us.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to tell you what I think the real power move left on the table for Drake is. You see, too many Kendrick fans have been acquired via Drake in the past year via this base, and it's time to separate. You know how you separate. You drop something right when the Super Bowl show is happening to take your fans away from his performance, right.
Speaker 3:That's a hell of a move, because all of your fans away from his performance.
Speaker 1:That's a hell of a move. All of your fans are about to be watching that performance too, to see if he's going to stun on you. You separate the fan bases by dropping cereal.
Speaker 3:I like that idea, I'll roll with that. That's petty.
Speaker 1:Who are you talking to? Who thought of it? Look at who you're talking to.
Speaker 3:It has to be an album. It can't be like a single or nothing like that. It has to be something I said project.
Speaker 1:I said project, it needs to be at least. How about this, them five heat-seeking mensels that he just dropped on you last summer? Well, you could use a little five-track EP, at bare minimum, you know a little five-track. How about this? And this would really really help galvanize. A little five-track EP, but the lead single is a Young Money single with Wayne and Nicky. A little get-together to galvanize the bass. You gotta think this Chess. It's not Checkers. He already beat you at Chess. You better learn how to play Chess with a Grandmaster.
Speaker 3:Nah, I'm with you Coop. I'm with you Coop. Yeah, I'm with your side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So all right on to our last topic press play songs of the week. All this, uh, all this Drake talk about lawsuits and defamation got me thinking about the police and feds taking pictures and all that. And so I did my dry snitch press playlist, just for Drake Gonna start off with one of my favorite songs by KRS-One Sound of the Police. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's right, it's my Drake dry snitching playlist KRS-One Sound of the Police. This is off. Return of the Boom Bap. A lot of people forget that this is actually KRS-One's first, I believe, song, first single from his actual, first real solo album. And you know, drake know all about this. Drake know all about these songs. We about to go now.
Speaker 1:Next personal favorite of mine for my Name Is my Name, the Pharrell-produced Snitch by Pusha T. I'm trying to come home. It has a lot of dry snitching going on in these streets. If you're not familiar with this record, this is actually one of the better acronym made records the last 15 years. You didn't know I was taking it here, did you? Hey, g Sean, cue me up again One more time. Let's go. We're in and out. Dj Drama, oh, feds taking pictures. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I don't need an OVO jacket. Drake, I can get the Feds and the local police to tap my phone without your help at all. They've done it before. Next question, before they stop watching again. Next song, next song, sean, let's go. We got to make it happen fast. Fans taking pictures Best anthem ever about the authorities Lil NWA Fuck the police. Yes, yes, still rings true to this day. Guys, I'm done with my dry snitching player for the week.
Speaker 3:Real quick. You know what's ironic Two out of your four picks have had problems with Drake. I know, no, no, no, that was intentional. Drama picks have had problems with.
Speaker 2:Drake, I know, no, no, no, that was intentional Drama and push. The two would have problems with him if they saw this in their head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, KRS-POP had a big issue with Drake in his day. He had an issue with Nelly.
Speaker 2:Him and his note.
Speaker 1:Drake is Nelly time six.
Speaker 3:You say I disrespect KRS. That's crazy, that's wild. Am I up next? Yes, sir. Okay, my inspiration was, um, I still mess with that hit boy track, uh letter to my mentors. But um, like I said, I'm just a big fan of homage tracks. But what I like is I'm great amish tracks with a little bit of shade thrown in there. You know I'm saying they say sometimes your idols become your rivals or never meet your heroes. You know what I'm saying. So that was my concept for my press play amish tracks with a little bit of shade in there.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna start off with um doctor's advocate, the title track off the doctor's advocate album where you know it's like game is penning a letter to dre, super dope track. He's, you know, rapping, like from a drunk perspective or whatever you know, talking to dre. And an underrated moment on this track, you know what I'm saying. He got uh, buster rhymes coming in for the last verse talking to to Dre vouching for game Like yo, I know this nigga's hard-headed or whatever, but you know what I'm saying, he a real one. So I thought that was a dope little twist on the album. On the track having Busta Rhymes' perspective, like you know, kind of vouching for game to Dre on the track. So you know that's my first joint.
Speaker 3:My second joint I got is Joe Budden's Slaughter Mouse, where he's, you know, penning a letter to Eminem, as well as his Slaughterhouse group mates, or collectives Because you know we've been talking about that in the show they're another collective of people who started out as individual emcees, who became a group and then they broke up over turmoil. So add them to the list. Um, but this, this track is dope. I think that's a five mic album. All love lost by uh, joe button. And this is one of the standout tracks, one of my favorite albums. Yeah, I give it a five mic for real. I mean, he was going crazy on there.
Speaker 1:The bars are a five.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The production maybe, if you want to take off a half of that, that's cool. But him talking to M1 there, super dope introspective track, you know, relating to M. And then, you know, talking to his Slaughterhouse group mates, which, oddly enough, they had a leaked track from, you know, an old&m album that was circulating this week with m&m and slaughterhouse. That, uh, you know, was on social media. So that's pretty dope, but I don't think they'll ever get back together. But we got that one.
Speaker 3:Moving on, I got let nas down by j cole. I talked about the remix a little bit ago where nas jumped on it and did the joint called Made Nas Proud. But J Cole was talking about Nas not being happy or approving of his choice to come out with the single workout. You know what I'm saying and you know there's a little bit of shade in there. There's a little bit of shade in there, but he's paying homage to Nas through the track and he's talking about you know, the pitfalls of coming up and having to make hit records and you know, still appease your fan base and stay true to who you are as a core artist. So you know that's a dope track and arguably my favorite song on Born Center, which is my favorite Cole album, and the last track I got is Big Brother. This is probably the favorite, my favorite one on my list because you know Kanye's paying homage to Jay and he's throwing shade at Jay.
Speaker 1:Only the way that. It's how passive, aggressive it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is. He's throwing shade at jay. Only the way that kanye can. The cold play line is my favorite. You know I told you I got a phone with cold play. Next thing you know he got a phone with cold play I was like yo.
Speaker 1:I was like is this a homage song or is this a disrepair, like I don't know what it is, it's easy.
Speaker 3:Yeah he, he was jumping on the bandwagon with everybody else calling jay a biter but still telling him like yo, you still my big brother. But you know that's my press play. I love Amish tracks, but I love those Amish tracks with a little bit of shade in them.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Go on, Brand. My inspiration this week was based on some of our hood classic movies that came out back in the day on some of our hood classic movies that came out back in the day. I was listening to a lot of hip-hop soundtracks and I forgot how much we got away from having some dope hip-hop soundtracks.
Speaker 1:Back in the day Dying art.
Speaker 2:It's a dying art man and I actually wanted just to pull some of the joints on just some relics from those soundtracks.
Speaker 1:And my first one. Like we're about to go raid the Lost Ark, like we're Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2:We're going into the jewels man. We're going into Temple of Doom. Ghost Dog Coogee rapping RZA. Rza went crazy on his feature man.
Speaker 3:RZA does not get enough credit as an emcee.
Speaker 1:I keep saying that Best emce MC producer ever but his actual last great production job was Ghost Dog this beat was crazy.
Speaker 2:The beats on. There are crazy it's his last great beat tape it was. It was. I love this joint. Coogee rap, corona Queen stand up, but love this joint that was a good rap.
Speaker 3:Sorry Sean, I'm just saying that was a good ramp. Sorry Sean, I'm just saying that was a good ramp for Supreme because it came out like a week apart. Ghost Dog was like the week before Two weeks.
Speaker 1:Two weeks apart.
Speaker 2:My next one was Mobb Deep Back At you on Sunset Park. I love the joint. I've always thought this joint should have been on one of their actual albums during that time, but this was one of those. Like the beat, have it, destroy this beat. I always felt like this was one of those. I love this track right here. Always love this track. I had to search for this track so hard because I didn't know Sunset Park even had a soundtrack back then.
Speaker 1:Motherless Child, oh my goodness. Motherless Child is on Sunset Park, and so is we Don't Want it by Junior Mafia. Top five rhythm beat Top five. I think it's top ten.
Speaker 3:Listen to it with a system and then come back to me.
Speaker 1:I went broke when I had Iron man. I haven't listened to that in a system.
Speaker 3:It's been a minute, that's fair. I was broke when I had Iron man. I haven't listened to that in a system. It's been a minute, that's fair. I have one big-ass 15 in my truck.
Speaker 1:You don't know, I got a big 12 JBL subwoofer right here. I just got to plug it. We Don't Want. It was my favorite song on Sunset Park Sean the Junior Mafia joint. That's one of my favorite, kim verses.
Speaker 2:Crazy, crazy soundtrack. Crazy, crazy, crazy soundtrack. Crazy soundtrack. My other one was Black and White. Remember Prodigy had a joint on there called Don't Be a Follower. Yes, and the Black and White soundtrack. Look at the heavy hitters on here.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, the Black and White soundtrack right, and I used to play this joint over and over and over because, again, this was when Prodigy was ramping up, this was when he was actually really stepping out there and we thought that Prodigy was going to be the next one heavy hitter up, because this way he was kind of moving away from a habit production and going into other different areas for production credits. Hey, you want one of those?
Speaker 1:You want to know what I didn't realize until we started talking about the breakups. Today, mobb Deep broke up right in front of us and we really just didn't recognize it because we refused to believe it. It's like they literally broke up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we didn't talk about it much.
Speaker 1:We didn't talk about it. It was traumatic for us, so we just kept it pushing. We were like, yeah, it was quiet.
Speaker 3:Bashawn, you did some digging for that one. The Black and White soundtrack Shout out to Power for that and the movie and all that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, respect, you did some digging for that one, I was in Japan when this came out.
Speaker 1:You could have went Soul in the Hole, but you went black and white. I like that. Yeah, you had to go black and white.
Speaker 2:So I think Soul in the Hole was a little bit too common.
Speaker 1:Diesel, the one thing for.
Speaker 3:Diesel. Rest in peace, ODB man.
Speaker 1:The government's out to get me. And he was right. No, he was right. Fed's taking pictures. There they are.
Speaker 2:And my last one, benzabima, off a New Jersey Drive soundtrack. Love this. Remember. New Jersey Drive paddled about, I think two volumes. This was volume one but they had two volumes. But they also had like a mixtape from new jersey drive and I remember this is one of my. This is the first time I felt like I said man, these guys are serious, because I try to understand why would an atlanta based group be on new Jersey Drive soundtrack? That's a good question and I couldn't understand it. It's like in what 95?
Speaker 1:95.
Speaker 2:And I'm like why? So I started doing my research on OutKast. Like you got to be that dope to be from Atlanta to be on a New Jersey Drive soundtrack. And man, this really got me over to cast, so can I speak to that right quick?
Speaker 1:because somebody here, when I talk about andre, when I talk about outcasts and the belief that they instilled no record instilled the belief like this record, because all of us down here were very clear that we had the best rap song on an east coast bass soundtrack. Yes, it's one of the things that made us believe down here. It's like, oh no, our best is just as good as their best, maybe even better at times. It is one of outcast's five best songs and it's not even a question.
Speaker 2:It might be the best song on that soundtrack.
Speaker 1:It is. It is the best song on that soundtrack, it is.
Speaker 2:I had to take a pause when I'm like who are these guys?
Speaker 1:No, even for us that love Southern Playalistic, because you have to understand they are better MCs on this record than they are on Southern Playalistic and they're doing a back and forth on here that they are not doing on Southern Playalistic. So even us down here we were like, oh, these dudes can rap, rap, rap, like Biggie Smalls, nas Redman, method man, wu-tang Clan Mob, deep Rap, tupac Rap, ice Cube Rap they can rap, rap. This was the record yo real talk.
Speaker 3:Yo thank y'all for that, man, because that record came out 30 years ago and me being where you know what I'm saying I came up at is more regionless as far as, like you know, the hip hop spheres and stuff. So, sean, you saying like up top, you know it made me go check for cast. You know I'm saying the coop saying like yo, it made us say like yo, we're down south and we got the best song on the east coast driven soundtrack where me, where I'm coming up from, I'm just taking, you know, the whole soundtrack in and I'm like it's just dope.
Speaker 1:I'm not looking at it from those lenses, but you know that's, that's dope perspective and this video is the video that popularized the bank head bounce, because that was the first time people saw the bank head bounce outside of Atlanta live on TV Cool, Just doing the with the fish and raw.
Speaker 2:That was the first time anybody.
Speaker 1:No, we had been doing that down here since I was like 10 years old that's like 1990, but that was the first time the world seen us live Do that's like 1990. But that was the first time the world seen us live do it Exactly. That's dope. No, that's super dope. Pick Sean Love it because it's because it's not only a dope soundtrack song. It's important to the history of hip hop. For the southern region specifically, it was.
Speaker 2:It was because you know you talk about two volumes on you know, and again it had mixtapes as well associated with New Jersey Drive. On you know, and again it had mixtapes as well associated with New Jersey Drive, and those mixtapes were actually better than the original soundtracks in my opinion, because they had so much going on with it, freestyles and all, but with Outkast being on the actual release version of the volumes. I just thought that just would stand out to me. I couldn't understand. I'm 15 at this time.
Speaker 2:I'm like how, why? On to me I couldn't understand. I'm 15 at this time. I'm like how, why? On an up north soundtrack, talking about what was going on in New Jersey Carjacking.
Speaker 1:And also low-key. I felt like Andre, on the first verse, took a little low-key shot at Tupac that people didn't catch at the end Because this is around the time that Tupac had got shot At the end of the first verse. As long as I got this legally, people see that we can be on top of things without causing another nigga sorrow. I know it ain't enough to go around, but keep on holding on like goody mo', because it's a better day tomorrow. That's all I can say. Can't tell the future. Tomorrow's another day, but today they just might shoot you for your ride. Fuck your pride, hi. Better be out your seat Quickie Snappy with the happy face before you bleed. Ask me if that material shit is worth your life. I don't know about yours, but if so you're smoking pipes, right? That's around the time Pac got shot. I was like. I always thought like it's like. Is that a shot at Pac? Not giving up the jewels up at Quad, because you know that's I.
Speaker 3:I never thought about it, I never made that connection.
Speaker 1:Always thought that was a Pac shot. That's after Pocket got shot Over not running the jewels, pocket thought to shoot me.
Speaker 2:That was the talk of the town. That was the talk of the town. This is 1995.
Speaker 1:I don't care what nobody says. 92, 93 and 94 is about Snoop, 95 and 96 is about Top, 95 and 96 is about Tupac.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Nothing more. Everything else kind of took the backseat Everybody else was in the backseat.
Speaker 1:There ain't nothing against Nas or Big Y'all in the backseat of a car that Snoop and Pac drove for about five years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they ain't put out and Big had a lot of carryover. But Nor Nas or Big put out records that year. I mean you can count conspiracy for Big, I guess.
Speaker 1:But Me against. The world did 4 million copies.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Pac was a megastar man.
Speaker 2:He was a megastar.
Speaker 1:The conspiracy is who shot Tupac? Yeah?
Speaker 3:Dope press plays tonight. Man, that was good.
Speaker 1:I think this is one of our best press plays. Everybody had different dope-ass perspectives. All right, y'all Run our likes, shares and subscribes up one more time before we get out of here. We're off to a great start to the year. Sean, you got any parting shots thoughts?
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Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:See y'all next Thursday.
Speaker 3:Peace, y'all Peace, peace.