HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
JIM JONES, Best in NYC? + 50 Cent, De La Soul, Big Hit, Busta + What's an MC?
Outro Music Yo peace. Welcome everyone to Hip Hop Talks. I'm one of your hosts. Ag Got the homie Sean with me in the building. What up man?
Speaker 2:Yo, yo, what's good, what's good, what's good.
Speaker 1:Chilling man. You know. Shout out to the team. Shout out to Coop. You know. Shout out to Andrew and the cut behind the scenes. Shout out to Taj. You can find us on YouTube, amazon Music, spotify and Apple. You know, definitely pull up. We just recently hit 2K subscribers. You know, might not be a whole lot, but it's a milestone for us and every one of you that subscribed and tapped in with us already. We want to thank y'all. We appreciate y'all being here with us and we hope that y'all continue to rock with us. You know, and if you know people that rock with our show that ain't subscribed yet, tell them to hit that subscribe button, and it won't hurt you to hit that like button either. Man, we appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2:No doubt, no doubt. We got a super chat real quick ADS, spence, peace. Appreciate you, bruh.
Speaker 1:Spence from Philly Represent.
Speaker 2:Represent, represent, appreciate you, jack. We got a lot of stuff to get into tonight. Again, shout out to the team. Shout out to the crew, shout out to all of you who actually tapped in, those of you who actually was able to get us to that 2K. Thank you all for that. The homie couldn't be here tonight, but he's definitely going to be popping up, hopefully soon. He had to actually work tonight, so nobody start talking crazy or nothing like that. Nahomi will be here at some point if he can make it tonight. Work calls. We got to do what we have to do, so, again, we appreciate y'all. Shout out to Andrew and the backdrop. Shout out to the team. Shout out to everybody out there who's listening, who's watching. Let's get into it, man. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1:You want to kick it off with the music anniversaries.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, yes, sir. So let's start with bdp bdp now march 3rd 1987. The kid was six years old, yeah man, you know how we don't stay on this for too long, because you know how I feel about BDP. You know how I feel about it, so you know. Especially you know KRS-One. You're not a big KRS-One fan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I recognize his legendary status. I don't have him in my top ten, but KRS-One came out the gate with classics, bro, you know what I'm saying. And he's one of the greatest mcs there is. I'm just not a fan of his persona off the mic. You know the when he's doing interviews. But gotta salute this album, man. It's a classic through and through. So many classic joints on here, you know I'm saying joints that you know resonate with you a little bit. You know, like south bronx, you know I'm saying the bridge is over.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, I mean you ain't got to say it out loud, but I mean, yeah, I don't know what you mean to say. South Bronx is a banger. Shout out to KRS-One, shout out to Shan. I don't know what else you want me to say. I have no opinion on South Bronx. Nah, it's pencil here.
Speaker 1:Nine 9mm gold bang was crazy. I do want to ask you this because I was 6 years old when this album came out and, you know granted, I shouldn't have been listening to it at the time so roughly around that time because, you know, my uncle used to, you know, play this album all the time. So that was my exposure to it. You know, this is not an album I owned myself, but you know, my mom's baby brother is only 10 years older than me, you know what time. So that was my exposure to it. You know, this is not an album I own myself, but, um, you know, my mom's baby brother's, only 10 years older than me, you know what I mean. So this was his, his era, you know what I'm saying the hip hop that he was listening to. So I was exposed to a lot of this stuff at a um, at an early age. So was you?
Speaker 2:was you tapped into BDP, you know, when you was like know six or seven when this was coming out. Absolutely, I was seven when it came out. Um, so yeah, I was definitely tapped into it. Um, my ogs, you know my uncles I had an uncle who was a break dancer. I had an uncle, um, who was a rapper god bless the dead, um. So yeah, I was, I was definitely tapped in.
Speaker 2:This guy was was teaching me you know exactly what hip hop was, you know, and not just as music but as a culture. You know exactly what hip hop was, you know, and not just as music but as a culture, you know. So, growing up around those uncles, like that, you know, they told me. My uncle told me he said straight up, he said yo, man, this kid KRS-One is for real, he's the real deal. And he was like yo, shan got to be careful dealing with this kid. I just I remember that conversation as a young boy and I wish Shan hadn't responded, to be honest, because I mean, shout out to sham and Queens get the money. You know it was like kill that noise as soon as he said that man, that's right.
Speaker 1:It was dope.
Speaker 2:It wasn't enough, not that time. And it wasn't enough Cause at that time you got to think about it. You're going up against a hungry KRS-One yeah, a hungry KRS-One and you got everything around him. You got the Bronx behind him and you know, hip hop started in the Bronx. You got all of that going on. You got so much happening at that time. It just is very difficult to be able to manage that. That's the thing. The momentum took off and it was very difficult. It was very difficult for Shan to keep pace.
Speaker 1:People forget. Man Shan was a star. You know what I mean. He was the more popular artist between the two of them at the time. I had a conversation with a homie of mine and we was talking about um. You know how important is, uh, the popularity card in a battle. You know what I'm saying. And and my whole point to him was that they don't. You know, as we seen with the drake and kendrick lamar thing, you could be the more popular artists and, you know, still lose. You know what I mean. Popularity really doesn't do you any favors at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying and I think this is one of those cases, because sham was, you know, clearly the more popular artists at the time, but he just couldn't handle. You know I'm saying what, uh, krs1 was coming with yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2:I mean doubt. I mean again. I think KRS-One said before he said it once before, like if Shan did not say anything at all, what would happen with him? Right, If Shan didn't respond. But like he said, you know it's hip-hop, so you kind of got to respond.
Speaker 2:You kind of got to say something and you can't just lay it down. You just can't lay it down. But again, shout out to Shan, shout out to the Jews crew, shout out to KRS-One, but you're down. Bdp it was. It was a great time, time I don't want to talk about, no more.
Speaker 1:All right, we can move on.
Speaker 2:What we got. Next, get the money.
Speaker 1:So the next one, de, yeah to, to speak to that man, um and me, and you talk a lot behind the scenes. So you know I feel like I'm in a safe space saying this because I know you're kind of in a similar boat. I wasn't really, um, I was on to daylight, like you know later, you know what I'm saying and um, the whole native tongues movement. You know I'm saying with, like you know, later you know what I'm saying and um, the whole native tongues movement. You know I'm saying with tribe. You know, daylight of jungle brothers, I wasn't really, I wasn't really a huge fan, like you know, tribe, more so out of everybody I rock with them, but I was more so listening to, you know, wu-tang or even before A and those type of groups or ghetto boys and that stuff. So but I respected their artistry. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But when, um, you know, daylight came with um, three Feet High and Rising, I respected it. I mean had joints on there. I mean myself and my buddy was getting a lot of play in circulation. They were feel good. You know I'm saying records that you know that was bops at the time and I was good. You know what I'm saying Records that you know there was bops at the time and I was a little kid, you know what I'm saying. I'm like eight years old or whatever. So I'm I'm rocking with those records but just overall I wasn't really. You know a lot of people have this album as a classic but I wasn't in love with this album like that. You know what I mean. Because I appreciated De La as I got older, you know, towards my later teenage years, more so than I did when I was like really young. But and as far as their own catalog, I kind of prefer De La Soul is Dead to 3P High and Rising personally, but yeah, I was kind of late to that party on De La.
Speaker 2:Me too. I ain't gonna front front. I'm gonna go sit here and be like I'm a hip-hop head. I know it. Nah, I, I was late to the daylight thing. I'm be honest. Um, this came out with 89. I'm not. I have eight years old. I didn't know. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2:Uh, potholes in my lawn was the one that stood out to me. Fun song it was. You know, I looked at daylight is. Is that that that group? But daylight's dead was the one that caught my attention more than anything else. Yeah, same for me. Yeah, it is. Daylight kind of predates me, if you will. When it came to just, although we talked about bdp just now my ogs have put me on bdp, but it was mainly because of what they were doing to Queens Right, so it was like it was a connective tissue there. But to say that I was, I was on top of things when Daylight was out. I wasn't, and three feet high. I respect it now today more than I respected it back then. You know, I mean like I appreciate it today more than I appreciated it back then. I'm eight years old. I couldn't adapt to that. I'm going to be honest with you. Word.
Speaker 1:You feel like Paws and News is underrated as an emcee? Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I do too.
Speaker 1:I don't think he's talked about enough.
Speaker 2:He's not talked about enough. I ran into him in the Nashville airport after the Woo concert because he was, you know, he actually performed at the woo and nas concert a couple years ago and, uh, I think that was their second stop, I believe. And I ran into him at the airport, we was about to to board and I just did one of these things to him and he just get ahead and I didn't even want to go and shake his hand or ask for an autograph because he was trying to be low key. I just did one of these things to him out of respect. But real humble guy, man, very, very underrated. We don't talk about his pin game enough.
Speaker 1:That's a fact and rest in peace to True Way to Dove, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely All right. So a little bit more current man, A little bit more current man, A little bit more current what your one of your favorite rappers of all time.
Speaker 1:Top five that are alive. Kiss. Talk to Ignatius Yo I, and you couldn't have said it better, man. You posted this on you know the account, the Hip Hop Talks account, twitter today and was talking about how well rounded this album was talks account twitter today and was talking about how well-rounded this album was.
Speaker 1:I think this was, uh, jada's uh most mature album and as far as, like, I feel like it's the album he really because, you know, for those who don't know um, uh, it's named after his uh deceased friend and he wanted to pay homage, um, you know, to his friend and work with you know producers that his you know friend wanted him to work with or whatnot, and um, and the subject matter and the way he approached this album, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:It's not my favorite jay to kiss album, but I think that it was arguably one of his best efforts because he wasn't real uh formulaic with this album as far as in terms of how he went in the studio, to how to create it, like that's my only knock against a lot of jada albums. You can tell he was like, well, I need a club joint, I need to join for the chicks, I need a street banger or you know I need the concept record. You know, um, I think he just really um spoke from his heart. You know I'm I'm saying on this on this record and you can tell it and it's pretty dope man. I give it a solid four and it's his last last solo effort and this was five years ago. So I hear he has a new album coming pretty soon. So I'm definitely anticipating that. But you know this is the last effort we have from him and I think it was a pretty solid one no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2:Um, like I said on the twitter man, this is his most I think, his most balanced album, because you're not getting super lyrical jada, punchline jada throughout the entire album, you're getting introspection jada on this album. I don't have it as his best, or I maybe have around as four, maybe number four out of the five I think I have around four.
Speaker 1:I got a four too. I got Kiss the Game, you agree? Then Kiss of Death second yeah, I agree. Then this or Last Kiss would either be third or fourth. Then Kiss of Death second yeah, I agree. Yeah, then this or Last Kiss would either be third or fourth.
Speaker 2:Last Kiss production is better than this.
Speaker 1:I agree with that. I do think top five Dead or Alive is the worst album by far.
Speaker 2:And it has some highs on it. It had a couple of highs on it. It had a couple of highs on it. This one is the most complete, from beginning to end. It's steady, very steady. Nothing wows you, in my opinion, Nothing really wows you on this album, but it keeps you in the pocket because Jada stayed in the pocket the entire time on this album because it was a homage. It was a homage album to Rest in Peace. I just picked J you could tell that he was wrestling with this one as well, you know for the namesake of the album itself. So I hold this one pretty near and dear because I think this is Jay, that kind of stepping outside that box that we kind of put him in as a pure lyricist of Punchline and I feel like this one he kind of just kind of took a gamble. To be quite honest with the pen, he took a gamble.
Speaker 1:Right, I feel like the album was my favorite. One of my favorite Jadakiss tracks is Feel Me and Still Feel Me the emotions he brings forth on those type records. I feel like he channeled that into this album instead of like. You know what I'm saying, because we just get those tracks from him every now and then. But the standout track for me was obviously Hunting Season, because everybody was clamoring for him to finally collab with Pusha T. So I'm asking you, who do you think got that collab on Hunting Season?
Speaker 2:That was tough. I think Pusha may have edged him just a little bit, though it's tough, it's tough, it's tough. Jada did come back, though.
Speaker 1:I got Jada, but I'm biased, though. I'm biased. Yeah, he's biased on that, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, but Pusha did his thing, he did his thing. That's what's up tough, as he always does, as he always does. We got one more, no, two more, two more Black Rob. This one is tomorrow. This is actually for tomorrow, but I wanted to go ahead and get in there and pause for tonight, so I don't have to wait a whole week. This one is special, very. Look, I think this Black Rob album is a classic.
Speaker 1:I'm not mad at that. I give it a four and a half mic rating. I think the source gave it a four and a half too, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:Remember I think they rated it twice prematurely. They rated prematurely before it came out.
Speaker 1:Right, because this album took years to make before it finally came out.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm not mad at you calling it a classic.
Speaker 1:Say that again. I'm not mad at you calling it a classic. I personally it's very, very close. So I'm not mad at you calling it a classic. I don't consider it a classic, but I'm not mad at you calling it a classic. I don't consider it a classic, but I'm not mad at you calling it that because it's right on the cusp for me.
Speaker 2:It is. I think it's a classic though I can understand you saying this on the cusp I think it's a classic. I'll be honest with you. This joint man, it comes to start off man Life Story. The intro sets the tone for the entire album and it doesn't. I mean you keep going. You got Whoa, you got Looking at Us. Can I Live Espacio with Lil' Kim? Espacio, crazy. I like Spanish.
Speaker 1:Fly.
Speaker 2:I like Spanish Fly. There's so much the production. I Dare you Remember.
Speaker 1:I Dare you was their lead single back in like 30, 98.
Speaker 2:Crazy. So it just for me. I think it's a classic. I think the only thing again, the production on this joint was like, probably some of the best production for the bad boy era. Joint was probably some of the best production for the Bad Boy era. Coincidentally, this is the last solo album for the Bad Boy era, isn't it? Nah, g-depth I don't know if I want to count G-Depth in that Bad Boy era, I'm talking about at their prime. You mean yeah, because G-Depth came in 2001. This was 2000. G-depth came in 2001, maybe.
Speaker 1:This was 2000. G-depth was probably 2001. I don't think it was late as 2002. Yeah, I think it was 2001.
Speaker 2:I think this actually came in 99. This was supposed to come in 98. Right, but it came in 99. I thought it was 2000. Come in 98, but it came in 99, I thought it was 2000.
Speaker 1:It was 2000, it was supposed to come in 98.
Speaker 1:Then it got pushed 99, but that's the thing it kept getting pushed back over a couple years because a lot of people was waiting on that, because we had first heard Black Rob on. He was mentioned by Big in 97. You know what I'm saying on Life After Death, black Rob on. You know what I'm saying? Well, he's mentioned by Big in 97, you know what I'm saying On Life After Death. Black Rob joined the mob but ain't no. Well, no, take that back. That's not on Big's album, that's on Puffy and the Family, that's on Warning.
Speaker 2:I mean not Warning, that was on Victory.
Speaker 1:Black Rob joined the mob. There ain't no replacing him. You know what I'm saying. That's why he's still there, yeah, so yeah, I mean we were waiting for this album and if I'm not mistaken, I think it was during the Money Power Respect anniversary, when we was talking about the Locks album. I want to say that Coop said that this was the you know, not counting Big, of course, that this was the best album that Bad Boy had put out. And then my, if I remember correctly, my only rebuttal was you know, of course, you know Puffy and the Family. So what say you to that? Do you agree with that? Because you know, I know you rank Harlem World really high, but I'm not mad at that. Take that Life Story might be the best album that they put out overall. You know what I'm saying, other than bigs out.
Speaker 2:I think and I can't forget Sean Sean album did come out in. Yes, I think his album came out, was it had to be 2000.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cause I remember that was like my freshman year in college. Yeah that was 2000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was 2000. Yeah, that was in Kosovo. Yeah, that was 2000. Yeah, I think the production on Life Story is better suited for the back half of that bad boy era, if that makes sense, Because you're talking about the Chinese suit era and then they got rock hard, you know, paused by Rough Riders era coming in there right In 98, right.
Speaker 2:So you're talking about this coming off of the heels of that and I think Black Rob production and Black Rob he was spitting and spitting on this album he was. It's better to me it's spitting on this album he was. To me it's better than Sean's album. Yes, I really do. I really do. Sean's album is an interesting thing. I don't want to get in a rabbit hole for us, but that album is an interesting thing because Black Rob should have sold way more than Sean, right?
Speaker 1:But Woe as a single. Interesting thing, because Black Rob should have sold way more than Sean, right, yeah, I mean, but whoa as a single had all this like traction before the album came out and it was kind of like on the die down by the time the album finally dropped. Yeah, can you imagine just working whoa as a single for like maybe a month tops and then the album drop, or like a few weeks tops and then the album drop, like that you know.
Speaker 2:But it was out for a while. Yeah, it ran its course because by the time the album dropped, Woe was kind of like dying down on some, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the radio was still playing it. But you know it's kind of like the. You know it's different from the streaming era because you know people latch on to one particular song on the album and keep running streams up, running streams up, like back in that era, once you purchased something, you had it, it was yours. So it's like what was so big once it was released on the cassette single, vinyl single, cd, single, like whatever you know, maxi single, joint, whatever you know, once you had it, if that's all you was checking for, you didn't have incentive to like cop the album. You know what I mean If you already had the single and was bumping that in rotation so it could, you know, hurt yourselves in the long run it was everywhere.
Speaker 1:Man, yeah, yeah, woe was like a crazy banger and it's an escape of my mind right now, but somebody else Major had that beat first before Black Rob got it and I can't think of it and it's bugging me. Do you remember who that was? Say that again. Somebody had that beat before Rob did the Bo beat. Yes, and I can't think of who it is. It's bugging me. I thought that you would know off the top of your head. I remember seeing it in an article that, yeah, he wasn't the first person that had that beat.
Speaker 2:I think I know who you're talking about. I think I've seen that somewhere in an article. I just don't know exactly who had it.
Speaker 1:Maybe it'll come to me later, but you know the Hitmen, you know their production they did on this album, like you said, and speaking of production, you know we'd be remiss. You know we kind of, you know, went through it kind of fast, but we'd be remiss if we didn't give love to Prince Paul and his production for the Daylight album. You know. So shout out to Prince Paul.
Speaker 2:Prince Paul. Definitely, definitely a legend, definitely a legend. Yep, no doubt. So the last one, 50. The Massacre Quins. Do you have this one as a semi-borderline or do you have this?
Speaker 1:one. No, it's not a classic. I don't think it's close to being a classic. It's a very successful commercial. Bro did over $1 million in a short week it was like four days because it was released in the middle of the release cycle. So he was setting records with this one. But me personally, I think it's a step down from Get Rich or Die Trying, but it's still a solid album, really good album, and I don't think Get Rich or Die Trying is so great.
Speaker 1:I think this album gets overlooked a lot. You know, but 50 did his thing on this album. But I think the thing that hurt this album was he really leaned into the type of songs that were hits from get rich. You know what I mean the like in the clubs and you know the the, you know the 21 questions type of songs. You know I'm saying those, those type of records because, like your lead single being candy shop, and candy shop was everywhere like don't get it twisted. If you was in the club scene at that time, that was, that was a big record. I don't know, man, I just think that this album is a solid joint but it's not nowhere near as classic as Get Rich is no, definitely not.
Speaker 2:I don't want to use the word hurt the album because I do think that it served his purpose for what he was going with and what the song was going with, because he dropped candy shop. I wasn't a fan of candy shop, but candy shop was going crazy everywhere else. I mean it did numbers. This album did major numbers off the strength of get rich or die trying and just the aura of 50 at this time as well.
Speaker 1:Little Bit did numbers as well. Like Little Bit was going crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I didn't even like that song. I didn't like that song at all. The ones that I felt that you know that like really resonated with me was like when he got to that 50 gritty bad. You know you're talking about, you know in my hood, right, you know what I'm saying. You're talking about guns. Come out.
Speaker 1:Guns come out. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:Yo, I had the Mercury Mountaineer with 20s on it and the speakers in the back playing Guns come out going through Walmart parking lot. That's nasty.
Speaker 1:That's nasty, that is nasty.
Speaker 2:Nasty In a uniform, that's even worse. I know I'm in a Marine Corps uniform driving to Walmart parking lot playing guns. Come out, that was nasty.
Speaker 1:That is wild. But you know you're right, because my favorite joints are Baltimore Love Thing for the storytelling on there. You know what I'm saying. Like when 50, 50 really. You know he, he bled the pit on that one. I was like, ok, 50, I see you, because to me he wasn't known for that. You know what I'm saying. His storytelling back, you know what I mean I mean, he could go there.
Speaker 1:But, like I was, I was really shocked by that record. And then I'm Supposed to Die Tonight. Love that record. To me this is going to sound crazy but I like, I'm Supposed to Die Tonight more than many men. That's how much I love that record Really. Yes, same vibe, you know what I mean. Like same tone, but I prefer I'm Supposed to to die tonight. And then this is 50 is a banger. That's another joint on there that goes crazy. Like the gritty tracks on here, like you said, they I mean they, they they hold the album standard pretty high, but you know it's the other tracks, the commercial driven tracks, that drop it down, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:That's you know what, man. It's funny you say that because, hold on, I just got a message on shout out to LB. Your boy, memphis Bleak, was supposed to get woke. I'm so glad.
Speaker 1:Oh it was Bleak. Thanks, lb, it was Bleak.
Speaker 2:Bleak, wouldn't have known what to do with that, bro? No, imagine, imagine Memphis Bleak wouldn't know what to do with that, bro. No, imagine Memphis Bleak getting Woke. Yo, that's nasty. That was a belly laugh. That's hilarious. Shout out to Memphis, Bleak man.
Speaker 1:Memphis.
Speaker 2:Bleak is.
Speaker 1:Yo shout out to LB. You know For the phone. A friend.
Speaker 2:Appreciate that. Nah, but for real, though, for real, I honestly thought that I haven't heard anybody say that I guess many men, many men plays different, he plays different, it plays different everywhere. It means so much more than anything else, Anything else. I never thought about that.
Speaker 1:I look at that song as a sequel to that, like a direct lineage to it. I've always looked at it that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I ain't thought about that. I might think about that some more, but now I can see that I can see I wouldn't have. I still have many men very, very high because of everything that it captures. Um, I'm supposed to die tonight to me still second fiddle to many men both of them dark, both of them great tracks.
Speaker 1:But if I'm gonna put one on, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put I'm supposed to die tonight first.
Speaker 2:No, I gots. No, I got that song in my head. Now the Guns Come Out. Dre lost his mind on that man, he went crazy.
Speaker 1:I was going to ask you this, though, because the album already did stupid numbers. I think it sold 11 million worldwide. I think six of those was US. Was Magic Stick? Was that supposed to be on this album when he gave it to Kim, or was that a leftover from the Get Rich sessions?
Speaker 2:If I remember somebody in the chat. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that it was a leftover from Get Rich.
Speaker 1:Okay, because what I was saying, because I thought I could have swore I read somewhere in an article that it was left leftover from Get Rich. Okay, because what I was saying, because I thought I could have swore I read somewhere in an article that it was left off the album because it was in the same vein as Candy Shop. So that's why he gave it to Kim. But I could be wrong, but at any rate, you know what I'm saying. Dude has so many hits. He was just giving away stuff, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he was on a roll man. When you're in a role like that, you got the hot hand. He had the hot hand.
Speaker 1:But much respect for 50, because at the end of the day nobody's put their crew on and like really had them eat off their personal success more than 50. What he did you know what I'm saying, with Beg for Mercy coming off of Get Rich or Die Trying and then set, you know, the GU members up for success. You know Banks, buck and Yeo in prison to come home to success before he put out his second solo album. You know that hasn't been duplicated before man. So his model that he had was in the 50s a super smart businessman. We know that. So you know I salute him on that.
Speaker 2:He really looked out cj said was supposed to be on get rich. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's what I thought. I know it was on get rich because I think it was like in the back half. Um, I think it was in the back half of the album that he was making it, because, you know, get rich is like a lot of songs on there like three or four years old, right right. But I think Majestic was one of those that came out in the back half of it. Yes, straight up. Reezy Lyric is right. Majestic would have fit Get Rich or Die, trying perfectly In that first half of the album.
Speaker 2:it would have been nicely planted there, but again he had the hot hand. It was giving everybody hits. Let's move on, man. Let's talk about that Meek single. What do you think about that Meek single?
Speaker 1:Yeah, friday with Meek. It's kind of funny because I'm not a big Meek fan. I mean I can rock with Meek, like I really love the Championships album and you know Dreams and Nightmares, you know I rock with Meek but I'm not a real big Meek fan and the yelling and emotional like his delivery and all that, I'm usually not with that. But it fit this track. The emotion of what he was saying in this track, I think it fit that and I think it was a, you know, pretty dope verse, man, I rock with it. Man, you know I'm saying and and it was dope more than anything to see, you know me put something else because, because he's been pretty quiet for a while now, you know what I mean. So for him to come out with this verse, I think you know it's pretty dope. Yo, for him to come out with this verse, I think it's pretty dope.
Speaker 2:Yo shout out to Philly man. Yo Spence, Yo, spence. Yo shout out to Spence in Philly the Philly Bull. Nah man, I like this meat, I like this version of meat right.
Speaker 2:Because this version of meat it be spittin'.
Speaker 2:This is the emotion part of meat. This is when he grabs you with the emotion. Right, you know, this is the version of me that I think that that serves best and you want to. You don't get it often. You don't get this version of me often because I don't think it's. I don't think you should get this version of me often. I don't think this version of me should be throughout the entire album.
Speaker 2:To be quite honest, right, this is when you drop it every now and then and you say, hey, here's, I'm that guy, I can still do that. Um, I enjoyed this song. You know, am I looking forward to a meat album? Not really. I'm being honest with you if I'm being completely honest. But if he's going to drop this, then maybe drop another one like this couple of months from now. I'm okay with that. Um, but again, this is the meat that you want to hear for me. For me, this is the meat that you want to hear For me. This is the meat I want to hear. I don't want to hear that other meat, that other stuff that meat be doing and that Twitter meat stuff.
Speaker 1:He need to log out of Twitter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no disrespect to Philly at all. Shout out to my Philly people Nah, I like this portion of meat, not the other pieces. Yeah, this was dope, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1:So we got. We got new full projects instead of just songs. Which one you want to go to first?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna do the big hit. Let's go, big hit.
Speaker 1:Man shout out the big hit, man free, free, big hit, you know, and um, that's the name of the album. But you know, for real, free, big. You know, and that's the name of the album. But you know, for real, free, big Hit, you know, locked down right now I'm going to keep it. Real man, I was disappointed in this one because we waxed poetic about, you know, a couple of big hit projects on our show.
Speaker 1:You know, last year all three of us me, you and Coop we were fans of Blacks and Whites. We were fans of, you know, the collab album with Game you know what I'm saying Paisley Dreams, and this one I don't think lived up to those like at all. I wasn't really a fan of the production. And then I went and looked to the credits because I was kind of thinking was like man, hip boy, it's not in pocket, you know, like he, like he usually is. You know what I mean, because I wasn't feeling the production. But then I looked at the production credits and although hip boy produced majority of the album, he didn't produce the whole album. So you know I'll shoot him some bail in that regard.
Speaker 1:But um, overall I just wasn't, wasn't feeling this. But I do respect the move. You know what Hip-Boy's doing for his dad trying to keep his name and his legacy out there while his pops is locked down. He recorded a gang of music like while he was out for those you know few years. You know Hip-Boy was keeping them in the studio. So you know these are a lot of those tracks I guess from those sessions and you know I appreciate his son, hip Boy, you know doing what he got to do to keep his pop's legacy alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt. Free Big Hit man. Free Big Hit. I love this. I like this joint man. I'm a Big Hit fan. I'm a Big Hit fan. He's straight to the point.
Speaker 1:He's blunt.
Speaker 2:There's no cookie cutting when it comes to Big Kid's style and his flow and I appreciate that. Kicking the song off the game just forced me. Got what you need awake, the one that he had a featuring hit boy. I love them joints, man, and again I just I hope the big homie gets back home straight up.
Speaker 2:That energy in hip hop is needed, especially with the west coast, you know, being on top of the game right now. Um, I just wish big kit was, you know, here to be a part of that man, he probably wouldn't take, you know, take part of the other pieces of that, but just having him as as a staple, um, in today's climate would have been a really good thing, man, I mean, he was on the pop-out stage, so I mean.
Speaker 2:He was, he was, but you know he's the OG man, he's the OG and I don't think that you want to. You know, get big hit on a record dissonant by him either man, he'll take it over the fence, man Right.
Speaker 1:No, I think he was just embracing the moment, Like you know, cause I mean think of all the time he did lock down and then he's out and seeing the West coast thriving, Like he, you know, he probably ain't witnessed that at all at any point. You know what I mean If he was locked down, you know during the, you know Snoop and Dre run days and all that stuff. So but, um, but yeah, the joint with a feature, hip Boy. That's probably my favorite joint on here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But but yeah, overall I wasn't feeling it. But you know, I'm saying I'm still glad they put this out.
Speaker 2:No, no doubt, no doubt. So God bless them. I don't know if we need to do this one. Look, I'm good, if you good, I don't want to do it. Man, shut up to try.
Speaker 1:I mean this this is this is gonna be what? The third time that we've had to do this like we had blockbuster, we've had um, you know, I'm saying what was the first joint called the Awakening, the Awakening, the Dragon, the Awakening, or whatever. And then now we got the Equinox joint, man, and I don't, I don't know man, like drag dragon season, I feel like it's dragon season Cause we dragging Buster, like all these album, man, like and and I really don't, I really don't want to do it, man, but it's like.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:I know at some point, at some point you just got to stop and you got to look yourself in the mirror and say, like what am I doing? And just just leave it alone. Like it has, it has seven songs. So I'm going to just keep my review short. It has seven songs and much like the Rock Him album. I counted out of the seven songs, it had 12 features. That's already the recipe for a disaster, right there.
Speaker 2:Disaster.
Speaker 1:Busta. Nah, man, and I love Busta, but no, that's all I can say is just no. And it's dragging the season, because we've had to do this three times.
Speaker 2:You've had to drag me into the conversation again. Man, Shout out to Trife man, because Trife might be the biggest Busta hater that.
Speaker 1:I've seen in my life.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny? Because I tried to defend Busta against you and Coop on one of the shows. Because you guys and I don't know why I felt like I tried to defend Busta against you and Coop on one of the shows because you guys, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2:I felt like I had to. I felt like I had to, but now it's like I don't have any more ammo. I have nothing to defend. This album wasn't good man. This album wasn't good at all and I'm just keeping it at that. I think we can move on. I hope Busta can move on respectfully. He it at that. I think we can move on. I hope Busta can move on respectfully. He had a phenomenal run.
Speaker 1:Let's not get it twisted. Busta had a phenomenal run. If I'm being honest and this is with no disrespect but this is a two-part project. He had Dragon Season Awakening and Dragon Season Equinox, so I think the first joint had maybe six songs. This joint has seven songs. Why not drop it as one project and only do this to us once, ego, so we don't have to live through this two separate times?
Speaker 2:It's ego, it's ego man, it's just like a bad double album.
Speaker 2:I guess you got to have ego and confidence to be a rapper, to be an MC, to be an artist, but at some point you got to be able rapper, to be an MC, to be an artist, but at some point you've got to be able to say you know what? I lost a step or two. I lost a step or two, and it's okay, because the ego will get you out there and look crazy. You know what I mean. And this is what's happening right now. He's walking around. Let me get out of here. Let's move on, man, let's move on, because I'm to say something real crazy.
Speaker 2:I said I was going to be loved all year, man, so I'm going to come into 2025 and show love, no matter who throws it back. Who doesn't throw love back at?
Speaker 1:me. We still love Busta. Busta's a whole legend out here, so don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2:That's why I want to be very mindful, because he is definitely a legend. I don't want to disrespect the legend at all, but I also want to be fair. I want to be fair, firm and consistent.
Speaker 1:This is an intervention it is this is Dragon Season, the intervention.
Speaker 2:We're telling you this might be time you need to drag yourself to the sideline, respectfully, respectfully, moving on man. Shout out to Bustin the Flipmo squad. No doubt, respectfully, respectfully, moving on, man. Shout out to Bustin the Flipmo squad.
Speaker 1:No doubt.
Speaker 2:All right, jomo. Jomo, you having a Harlem, yeah, cj. I hope you wasn't going to catch that CJ. Yo, y'all got to relax, man. I started a pandemic with the pause thing. Shout out to Joe Pause, pandemic is crazy. Pause pandemic is crazy, jomo.
Speaker 1:I like this album? Wow, I do. And here's the reason why. Jim has a lot of solid projects and most of it doesn't come off of him. You know most most of the projects of his that's enjoyable is not predicated on him. The rapper he has a great ear, you know, for production and how to put projects together and I respect that. It's an enjoyable listen. But am I listening to him for his rapping ability? No, not at all. But what I will say, he's improved, you know, exponentially since we first started hearing him rap in the early 2000s. I will give him that. But still, yeah, jim is not somebody like I'm hanging on the edge of my seat. You know listening to their bars, you know that's not happening. But he does have a dope ear for production and how to put together you know well-rounded um projects. That's audibly If you just put them on as background noise or ride music. They have some bangers and it's dope. You know what I'm saying. So I do respect that aspect of it and it's better than that Busta Rhymes.
Speaker 2:I mean bro I can go. I can go drop seven tracks right now, right now.
Speaker 2:Rapping about the spring coming in real soon. It would be better than the equinox. Let me chill, man. Let me chill, nah, man. Let's talk about it then, because I had Lana For those of you who are watching again. Thank you all. Please like. Share, subscribe. Please continue to subscribe. We're share subscribe. Please continue to subscribe. We're at 2K+. Let's continue to move that needle.
Speaker 2:So this is the part of the show that we want everybody to chime in on this topic because we want to have a healthy debate around the MC versus the rapper. As we talk about Jim's comments on the Breakfast Club. I want to preface all of that because Jim has some conversation on the Breakfast Club. Shout out to those guys over there Forget you Envy Queens, get the money. You don't represent Queens the right way. But we want your input on this topic because we want to know how you feel about the MC versus the rapper. And where do we hold a rapper, like you know, jim, in the category of hip hop itself and AG, I think. For me, my question to you is we already know, we can identify, we identify Jimmy as as a rap. We know that already. Right, he's not MC of MC. Like you said, you didn't get this album or you didn't listen to this album.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't cop it.
Speaker 2:Of course we don't go to Jimmy for Lyrical Miracle. We don't go to Jimmy for Quotables, right, we don't go in for that. Goody Goon Goons, we don't go for that, right. But I think that right. No, you're going for that. You know, goody goon goons, we don't go for that, right. But? But I think that, to your point, he has a good ear for production and his catalog is really good when it comes to production. But I can't quote anything from that catalog personally. Personally, you know. I mean vanguardian, hit it on the head. I see vanguardian tv says a whip friendly album. Yes, majority of majority of his albums are whip friendly. Yeah, straight up, you're putting the whip, you ride out. You're listening to the beat more than you're listening to what Jimmy's saying. I'm being honest.
Speaker 1:And it's what I like to call slick talk. It's a lot of slick talk rap.
Speaker 2:A lot of slick talk, a lot of hustle talk, a lot of Harlem talk. Honestly, a lot of uptime talk.
Speaker 1:And it's swag rap. You know what I'm saying. Somebody who would love a Jeezy would love this album, because we're not going to Jeezy for his lyrical. You know, like you know, we're not going to Jeezy for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So where do you think he? How do you hold him Like? What do you categorize him? I? Don't pause, he's talking about New York. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:Don't ever ask me that again, I'll hold you. I don't hold you, but for real, that's fair. I think it is something to what he said on the breakfast clubs or you know, we're kind of tying in the interview to this topic where he was talking about, like you know, all the young cats really listened to him the most. Well, I mean, like his music is tailor made for them. You know what I mean. Like this era is really not about listening to lyrics. It's not about, um, you know mature growth. You know what I mean. Or concepts or whatever. You just want something nice to ride to. They just want something.
Speaker 1:You know, like I said, some slick talk and you know these type of hustler raps. I mean that's like what's most prevalent in this era, so to speak. You know what I mean. So I think he is on to something when he says that more of the young crowd are tuned in with what he's doing Now. Granted, he's pushing 50. He's 48 doing this stuff. So I mean we're looking our age demographic is looking to him for more mature content and say where's the more mature content at Jimmy? You know what I'm saying, but we're not going to get that. He's appeasing to people, that's. You know. Probably, you know, 20 years younger than him.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm. You know what the crazy thing is? Man Jim exceeded no expectations that was given to him.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, he didn't come into the game with any expectations.
Speaker 2:We didn't have any expectations for Jim, so he exceeded an invisible expectation and the fact that we're even having a goal to have a conversation about where Jim ranks amongst and again, this is no disrespect to Jim at all the fact that we are having this conversation and the breakfast club had the audacity to mention Nas Styles P in the same breath as Jim. We got to stop that man Like. When I heard that I had to, went back and look at it again just to make sure I wasn't mishearing anything.
Speaker 2:Like yo Envy. Are you serious Like you should have put a plug right there and said no, we're not going to do that. We're not going to say that, we're not going to do all of that. Well, he posed the question, though who's that?
Speaker 1:Envy. No, jim, he was like name anybody who's as hot as me. So I'm not even putting that on the host, but what the host threw out, and I don't know if you noticed it, but he proceeded to move the goalposts multiple times because they started naming rappers and he was like no, no, no, I mean new york, I mean new york, so just new york rappers. And then later on they started naming new york rappers, like you know, the jay-z's and the nozzle. He's like well, of course not jay. Like whatever, like well, if you're the hottest, you're the hottest. Like you know what I'm saying. Like, let's be for real. You, you putting all these caveats on there. First you say in new york, and then we name it other new york mcs, and then you say well, I mean more. So you know my air, or this or that, or these people are excluded. Like you, it should be excluding nobody. Like Jay said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but who is? Who is his weight class? Who is Jim's weight class? Here's the funny part.
Speaker 1:No, this is what pissed me off To your point Envy. And what's the name? Jess Hilarious and Charlamagne Entertainment.
Speaker 2:The other shorty was on this one. Jess wasn't on this one, it was somebody else. I forgot her name.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, I don't know this young lady's name, but I had something to say about what she said anyway. But anyway, it pissed me off that they were actually entertaining it, saying certain people that were still above his weight class at the end of the day. And bro tried to. You know, jim tried to say it's like, well, he said styles p's catalog wasn't deep enough. What? Like you know what I'm saying. Like bro, styles p will fade you in the verses, like all all day long. Jim's catalog is not like that to pull from. Now, granted, he has the ability to pull from diplomat stuff, but Styles has the ability to pull from locks records.
Speaker 2:And so what happened last time?
Speaker 1:And even if he's restricting it to New York, I can name 10 people off the dome New York-related. That would fade Jimmy in the verses, so I don't know what his points were.
Speaker 2:Again, that's when you got her name's Larmond LaRosa. Thank y'all for that. She was the one who made that comment, because she was the one who said Nas wasn't outside, or something like that, or he wasn't, you know, know, active or what have you?
Speaker 1:which she didn't do her homework, evidently, because if you, at the beginning of the interview she said that she had never heard the Jim Jones album, she said she said that and she said she had to really like, dive in and listen to. You know Jim Jones to really understand. You know I'm saying what he was doing. So and then when she said Nas is not, you know, putting out a project like that, well, he did have the album, the album Broke, did six albums in three years, yeah, and then had the nerve to question was it really reaching? You know the youth like that and you know we talked about this behind the scenes. If you're linking up with a producer like Hit and you know we talked about this behind the scenes If you're linking up with a producer like hip boy, you're by design trying to tap into an audience that's younger than your core audience. That was already there and he tapped in with hip boy for six straight projects.
Speaker 1:And if you're not trying to reach out and get the younger guys and it be successful, you don't get a joint like spicy successful. You don't get a joint like spicy. You don't get a joint like motion. You don't get a joint like one mic, one gun, those or wave guys, those records. Well, wave guys maybe not, because that's more in the primo bag, but those records don't get made and shout out to our discord. Our discord is one of the like you know I'm saying, where we have the dopest hip-hop conversations. Somebody pointed out in there.
Speaker 1:Nas has, you know, almost 10 million listeners on Spotify, like 9 point something. Yeah, jim Jones has like almost 900,000, which is a tenth of what Nas has. So if we're doing the numbers game, you don't think a tenth of Nas' listeners more than Jim Jones has for his whole entire fan base are people of the young demographic, Because mostly people are aging up, ain't streaming like that. No, they got Nas' physicals and they rocking with that. They still playing CDs and they whips. You know what I'm saying. So it's like you mean to tell me, breakfast Club, that you don't think at least 900,000 people that's streaming Nas' music is not the younger crowd. Get out of here with that man, exactly.
Speaker 2:Because you know us old heads, we don't know how to stream like that. Still trying to figure it out. I mean I do, but yeah, you got an 18-year-old son walking you through Like hey you ain't lying Like.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Shout out to Jack. I saw George's school. Jack goes up earlier today at the Discord like yo, jack, you could do this. You know what I'm saying, but that's what he's going to school for. He's going to school for computer science and tech stuff, but that's what he's going to school for. He's going to school for computer science and tech stuff.
Speaker 2:So you know, shout out to my son. There you have it, you know what I mean. So again, who is Jim's weight class? Because here's how I look at it and I don't want to be disrespectful when I say this. So don't take it, jim. Whoever Any Jim fans Harlem don will take this the wrong way, jim, imagine if Split Star had a comparable catalog. You know what I mean. You said no disrespect, that's not disrespectful. Split Star he's, you know.
Speaker 1:I think Bleak would fade Jim in a versus Absolutely, absolutely If we Jim in a versus Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:If we talk of rate classes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Would you take drag on in a versus against Jim? I think that's where you would have to draw the line. I think Jim got that. I don't know, man yeah yeah, yeah, I think Sheik Looch, once you get past balling and all that, I think Sheik would fade Jim in a versus Sheik Looch, once you get past Ballin' and all that, I think Sheik would fade Jim in the verses.
Speaker 2:Sheik would fade Jim in the verses absolutely.
Speaker 1:Especially if you could pull Lockstuff and he pulled Dipsetstuff, sheik can fade that's what I'm saying the names that they was calling out. I'm like why?
Speaker 2:Sheik fade them easily. Busta we just got through talking about Busta.
Speaker 1:With this bad album, Busta could fade them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that ain't even the same category. No, no, busta got too much. I'm not going to do that to Busta. Okay, again, I'm not trying to be funny or nothing like that, but I'm trying to make a point here. Gym is what happens when someone had an opportunity. They took advantage of the opportunity. They never really got better, they got incrementally stronger just because of their voice and the sound.
Speaker 2:Imagine, horse, if horse would have followed up with something similar to that after Uchiwale that's kind of why when I look at jim now, I'm not saying jim and horse in the same category. They're not saying that. I'm not gonna be that disrespectful. What I'm saying is jim overachieved because no one had any expectations for jim to do anything at all. Because I remember we were listening to Jimmy in the very beginning. I know a lot of people listened to him and were laughing Like what is this? Like? Straight up.
Speaker 1:John Roland Wiz and all them was like way better than Jimmy back in the early 2000s Way better.
Speaker 2:And even if I look at it in retrospection, because you think about a Dipset album, right, the double CD that was the coming out party pause for um, you know I mean. Then you go to dip set immunity part two. Jim is barely on that album for a reason, because now they started talking. You know you had jr rata on there. You know I mean you had hell on there.
Speaker 2:So you had all of those other entities from Dipset. That was still by far better than him outpacing him lyrically. What Jim stumbled on was something that I don't think that we took into account, and that's Max B. He stumbled on Max B. Shout out to Max B man, free Max B, if everything checks out right. I don't want to say free somebody who's a criminal If it checks out right. You got to do a disclaimer out there. You can't be going around and saying free this person, free that person. They probably should be in there, right? You got to be careful about that. So let's keep it centered and above board. That's the most hip-hop thing to do is to say it when you know they do. Dude he, just what do you mean? What do you mean? Free him? No, you see what he just did. Oh my God, he didn't read the Rod report. You see what happened? Oh, man, but, but no, max B. Max B's pen and Max B's influence was the thing that gave Jimmy that booster shot, right.
Speaker 1:Stylistically yeah.
Speaker 2:Stylistically and my homeboy, who's actually from Harlem, Shout out to Carl. He was on that wave since its inception and he used to let me listen to old Max B joints and I'm like I never knew nothing about Max B at this time, but he was like he was that wave stuff man, and he was like yo, this is the one, this is who's next. And then unfortunate circumstances happened. Jimmy, you know, got in front of it and here we go.
Speaker 1:Yep, I mean he stole his whole swag. If we're being honest, Stole his whole swag.
Speaker 2:We got a super chat. My bad, I see you guys in the super chat. Double. You know, you bad, you look the double, you look the double.
Speaker 1:You know you bad when 10 albums in we talk about improving that is crazy, that is crazy shout out to Dub man yo CJ, peace bro. Can Jim beat Yayo in a versus yo? That's crazy, cj. I was just thinking that in my head and my answer is no cause. We just talked about G-Unit. Jimmy does not have a single album better than Thoughts Over Predicate, felt Period.
Speaker 2:He does not. He does not. And if I'm being honest, man yo, there we go. Now Please get the money. You're going to be hyped, man, yeah, yo, yeah, yo got some joints out there. Man, he does. I know you don't love me. That beat is insane. Yeah, you'll kick it off. And 50s hooks, man, 50s hooks. He went crazy on that joint. Yeah, you went crazy on. You know you don't love me, he went crazy on that. I see, christopher, you went crazy on. You Know you Don't Love Me. He went crazy on that. I see Christopher Hogan said we hate knowing Jim, he don't know what to do with holding Harlem down. No, no disrespect to Harlem at all, chris. No, straight up. I mean, we call it what it is. We just want to put things in perspective because, at the end of the day, I don't think he's really holding harlem down, because he's saying is he holding it down or is he dividing it?
Speaker 2:facts, facts. Just because he's saying harlem all over the album, that doesn't mean he's holding it down. Is he trying to sell himself on the idea that he's that he's harlem? You know I mean like. Again, no disrespect to jim at all. I got almost every album that Jim put out in his first run. In his first run I do. I own all of them joints. His best one is Capo.
Speaker 1:I think. I think Capo is a really great album and I don't use the term great loosely, I wouldn't say great.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't put great beside Jim's catalog by the album. I would say good, overachieved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah, and that's the thing, because we rate people on different scales, right? So when I'm first listening to the album, I'm not expecting to be blown away by it, right? You know what I'm saying. So I'm super pleasantly surprised, but that album stayed in my rotation for a very long time. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:These chats are crazy. Poets say Bow Wow was better than Jimmy, I'm going too hard, but then again I don't know.
Speaker 1:To be fair, bow Wow's Ohio, that's not New York.
Speaker 2:Bow Wow might go crazy on the Versus, though man yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:They mentioned Fab. Listen, jim is not beating Fab in the versus, and I was offended at the Styles P thing because he know better than to say Jadakiss' name. He know better than to say Jadakiss' name, so he said you know they mentioned Styles P. Once you get past balling, Styles P is getting them out of here, and I'm not even sure about balling. Between good Times and balling, what are you taking?
Speaker 2:I can appreciate the fan base taking balling because of what it is, but me personally, good Times for me, me too, good Times Because Styles P's first album to me is a 4.5. Easily, easily, straight up Easily and in real time.
Speaker 1:I didn't like balling in real time I was. It got played out for me. I loved it initially but didn't hurt it so much. It got played out, you know so yeah, it did um cj.
Speaker 2:The kid can jim beat jay hood in the verses yes, yes, cj, but thank you for that I don't know if you give me um look on an unbiased format on a on a court.
Speaker 1:Yo jay hood man all he got to pull from is the mixtapes.
Speaker 2:Bro, don't do that look, man, nigga, I'm a hood stash. Coke under the hood. Pop your girl in the face. Sucker under the hood. Yo jay, hood is crazy man. Coke under the hood. Pop your girl in the face like I'm under the hood.
Speaker 1:Yo, j-hood is crazy man. Yeah, j-hood For a moment. J-hood had the streets on lock, but still yet nah.
Speaker 2:I don't think Jim can beat Shaheen, the rugged child.
Speaker 1:Now see, people are going to call us Wu Bias again.
Speaker 2:I just did that to see what you're going to say. I kind of mean it, though.
Speaker 1:I just did that to see what you're going to say I kind of need it though. But for real though, I don't like the fact that he tried to stand on his catalog like he got one of the best catalogs out of New York, Like I don't. His catalog ain't deep like that.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's deep for his like us, for us like quantity, yeah, not quality, the quality is not there. Overall, you got some quality moments, I think each album. If I'm thinking right, I don't have it in front of me, but if I'm looking at his discography and I'm thinking about all of his albums, I can pull about two, maybe three true bangers off of those albums. Each album as far as a complete project where I can say you know what, as a complete project, this is top of the line. I would struggle with that. I would struggle believing in that, if I'm being completely honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he said New York. I'm going gonna just run down some names off the top of my head, because he said in his era you know I'm saying from new york, from new york, so we'll stay in new yidi, all right. So let's just take jay-z and naz off the table, right, let's take. You know I'm saying them off the table because that's obvious, all right. So he's talking about um. So what are we putting as a start year? Where are we going with it? Like, where are we going to say? We're going to say 99, 2000. Where are we going to go?
Speaker 2:I say start with 2002.
Speaker 1:2002.
Speaker 2:No, let's go 2003, because that's when the Dipset diplomatic community came out.
Speaker 1:Okay, All right, so all right. Well, that would take Styles P off the table, because Styles P around since 97.
Speaker 2:You can probably put Styles P still there, because his solo discography started in 2001.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, let's put him in there. All right, that's fair. So Styles P? No, not even close, jadakiss.
Speaker 2:Not All right, that's fair. So styles P no, not even close. Jada kiss Not even close. That's laughable. She no, it's close, but no, I give it the sheet. Fab no, not even close. Black rock Black rock might not have enough, but his highs are so high I would still give it a black rob.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:His highs are high man.
Speaker 1:Nature.
Speaker 2:Nature doesn't have enough.
Speaker 1:Right, I think Jim could win that.
Speaker 2:It's touchy, but nature just doesn't have enough, let's see, help me out.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think I'm limiting myself to that, eric, because I could take it back a year or two and grab one, but that predates Jim a little bit.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't put him in the same category at all, not even close. He can beat Juelz in his own camp.
Speaker 1:The obvious Juelz and Cam Cam predates him. He can't beat Juelz, let's go with, I said, dragón already.
Speaker 2:CJ asked about Saigon. Saigon don't have enough. I don't think he has enough. Don't have enough. Cj asked about Saigon. Saigon don't have enough. I don't think he has enough.
Speaker 1:Don't have enough, jim would beat Saigon. I said Dragón and he don't have enough, jim would beat Dragón.
Speaker 2:Action Bronson. Somebody say Action Bronson 50. Not even close. That's laughable.
Speaker 1:But they called out 50, and then he said, oh, I don't do nothing with 50. Not even close. But they called out 50 and then he said I don't do nothing with 50. So let's take 50 off the table. We already acknowledged that Yeo would probably beat them Banks.
Speaker 2:I don't think Yeo would have enough, though that's the only thing.
Speaker 1:Even if you don't say Yeo Banks is getting Jim out of here.
Speaker 2:Banks getting Jim out of here easy, yeah, banks, getting him up out of here.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, man. So we pretty much at about 10 rappers is getting them up out of here. You know, I'm saying just for ms air, and that's when new york was starting to get weak, if we being real yeah, that's when it was.
Speaker 2:It was kind of transitioning and again, that's a great. That's a great point because jim thrived when New York hip-hop was losing its grip because of the way the sound was changing and it wasn't as lyrically dense.
Speaker 1:It wasn't as lyrically dense, because somebody like. Jim doesn't even get through the door. It was more bounce.
Speaker 2:Alright, I'll ask you this, nori, because Nori is 98 on his, on his solo, not even close, not even close see, that's what I'm saying jim sorry, buddy yeah, I mean, here's the thing man like jim thri and Dipset as a whole, they thrived when hip hop was really shifting, because the representation that New York hip hop had when the South started taking over was that Dipset movement, to be completely honest, because at that time what was competing with what was going on in the South? Because the South music landscape was changing. So dip set sound production, wise it. You know heat makers and you know all those guys, man, they were living off that. They were living off of that man, and jim was a big part of that yeah, you must be part of that because that was an extension of like that whole rockefeller era.
Speaker 1:you know really ran rap just personically. What everybody wanted to do, like that soul sample sound, was just imitated so heavily during that time and they were lucky to have heat makers craft a lot of this stuff because, you know, jay was locking in with Kanye and Just and then Bing and he was going to get their A-folder stuff. He was going to get their best material more often than not, but the dips could still rely on the heat makers to give the I don't want to say a generic version of that, because heat makers got bangers but still keep that same sound in tow. Even though it's not coming from Kanye, just Blaze and Bing, they're still keeping that same sound. They lucked out with that.
Speaker 2:CJ, the Kid asking he beat Joe Budden, nah, he not beat.
Speaker 1:Joe man. Hey, cj, shout out to you because that's a good pull. I don't know what Joe was doing out there on the basketball court the other day.
Speaker 2:Looked crazy out there, looking nasty. That's nasty, joe, straight up. Somebody need to say it Nasty.
Speaker 1:I ain't going to talk because I ain't shot a ball in like two years.
Speaker 2:Shot a play last night. Matter of fact Full court.
Speaker 1:You got crossed over Kneecap touched the court.
Speaker 2:Not at all. Not at all. Tj said Jim or Sky Zoo Sky.
Speaker 1:Zoo Sky Zoo's songs ain't big enough. He's way more talented, but his songs ain't big enough. Yeah, taleb, no.
Speaker 2:You don't think Taleb got enough?
Speaker 1:No'm saying kenny, no, jim can't beat to live. No well, no, no, no question, cj, cj helping out. Cj got our tally to like about 15 because cj knows all of these cj.
Speaker 2:He knows he's hard to see depth like yeah, I I mean See if I play it for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. While we at it, while we in Brooklyn, most depth, no, that's a no, no.
Speaker 2:Poets ask for Pharaoh much than Jimmy. I will Queens get the money. I will personally take Pharaoh much. I would take Pharaoh much. I don't think he has enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah and is tricky. You know what I'm saying. I think Jim would be him in a versus, but we're not even going to entertain who's better. They will wipe the floor with Jim.
Speaker 2:He said can Jim beat Papoose? Papoose doesn't have enough.
Speaker 1:He doesn't have enough, he doesn't have anything that'll resonate with the populace Right.
Speaker 2:You gotta think about it.
Speaker 1:I mean Pap's biggest claim to fame is the alphabet slaughter, yeah. So I mean that's not enough.
Speaker 2:That's not enough. But, aj, the thing is man like, if again we're trying to figure out between the MC and the rapper portion of all of this and we already identified that Jim he will fall on that rapper side of things. He's a rapper, but as an MC. Everybody who's mentioning majority of them are MCs. Yes, majority of them, like 80%, 90% of them are MCs.
Speaker 1:Right, so if Jim is.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So if Jim is, if we're saying we're to classify him as as a rapper, cause, there's a difference between being a master of ceremony, mc, and a rapper Like where do, how do you even measure him? You can't measure him. Pause, it's really hard because and I think that's why the conversation even went that far when it came, you know, to the breakfast club interview. Conversation even went that far when it came, you know, to the breakfast club interview. Because you don't. Who do you? We're splicing right now, figuring out who you put in front of well, what?
Speaker 1:what is your definition of the difference? Because I think a lot of people are unclear on the difference between an emcee and a rapper. So you personally, what's the difference?
Speaker 2:give me one second. Uh, cj said not from New York, but Jim or Cassidy. Cassidy, shout out to Phillip, we'll take.
Speaker 1:Cassidy.
Speaker 2:Because Cassidy got some big records.
Speaker 1:So that's not getting twisted.
Speaker 2:He got some big, big records For me. The MC checks everything, the boxes. Master of ceremony that's what it stands for, right. The emcee is your storyteller. The emcee has the cadence. The emcee has mastered the ability to flow in a pocket, Round for round, line for line. The rapper there's a lot of rappers out there. There's a lot of rappers that are MCs out there, because we always talk about rappity rap. You know what I mean. Rappity rap Joe Budden always talk about. This album is just a rappity rap album because if you're getting into that arena, you can rap. You can rap, Shout out to our homie Chief. He played one of his joints that he was flowing over in the Discord and Chief got some flow. Chief got some flow actually.
Speaker 1:I got to check it out. I didn't hear that. Shout out to Chief man, that's our fellow sneakerhead.
Speaker 2:Chief got some. Chief is dope man, but if I had to categorize what I heard from him, I would put him as a rapper Because he's rapping, wrapping his ass off. You know what I mean. But when you think about that's not a slight to him, because I'm telling you that's what I heard from Chief it was dope. We think about I Am God. I Am God is an MC Based on the range, the range he has, so much range. We had AJ Snow. How do you categorize him? You think about the range that he brings. I heard that. Oh, go ahead bro. No, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was trying to think. I heard one of the old heads say it. I can't remember if it was KRS, maybe Chuck D, maybe even dating back to Kool Moe D, but I know for a fact. I've heard one of them talking about the difference and they said that an MC can be a rapper if he chooses to, but a rapper can never be an MC. Yes, and I think that's what resonated with me the most, because you can masquerade as a rapper if you're an MC, if you're that gifted, but a rapper can never emulate an MC.
Speaker 1:And the prime example of that to me is Jay. You know what I mean, because Jay is a supreme lyricist, mc to the core. I don't care what nobody says, he's the MC to the core. But when he said, you know, I dumbed, dumbed it down to double my dollars you know what I'm saying he dumbed his material down for a lot of tracks to come off as a rapper, which he pulls off very well. He can live in either, you know, in either place. You know what I mean. You could be a hybrid, if you will, as an MC, but a rapper can't do that. A rapper can't get next to an MC and look like a fellow MC.
Speaker 2:It's funny you say that, man. I've got another super chat Chief. What's up, homie? He said much appreciated. That was a shock. Nah, man, we appreciate you sharing that in the Discord. I got to check that out, man.
Speaker 1:For real. I think he's shocked that you gave him a compliment, because he knows how you are for real.
Speaker 2:No, I've changed. Changed. I was so mature but I've grown so much. No man, I wouldn't do that. Um, I remember this. So when I had my little rapper career trying to start, I was 15 just this guy, this A&R guy, told me he was like a rapper. He said a rapper speaks for the money and an MC speaks for the culture.
Speaker 2:He said, because a rapper is going to give you lyrics, lyrics on top of lyrics, but what's the meaning to it? Whereas an MC has a meaning and an end to it. Like there's. There's a body of it, like it's like you're writing something. You have a beginning, you have the body of the message and you have the closing of the message. He said most likely that's an MC because they're giving you the full body example of what a writer should be. That's a writer.
Speaker 2:You think about Nas, who we always say all the time Nas is your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. He's your MC's favorite MC, because he checks boxes on both sides of the grid. He checks the boxes on the rapper grid. Nas checks the boxes on the MC grid. So does Jay-Z. Jay does the same exact thing. He can check the boxes on the rapper grid. So does Jay-Z. Jay does the same exact thing. He can check the boxes on the rapper grid. Because you put him in a ring with a rapper, you're going to smoke your boots, right, you put him in a ring with an MC, he's going to smoke your boots, unless you're Nas. So, nah, that's facts, that's facts. So you've got it's parallel, until you get to certain pieces where the box or the MC start to go a little bit further down, where that rapper box may stay right up in here, if that makes sense you may have 20 checkboxes over here versus 15 checkboxes on the rapper side of it.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm with that, jim very much is just a rapper, which, if you're a rapper, is no problem with that. But, like you said, he's talking about going head to head with people who are MCs. Yes, you know, yes.
Speaker 2:Then I want to hold on because we got some more super chats. Jim is CJ the Kid asking Jim or Ransom.
Speaker 1:Ransom is a superior MC but, like Sean said about stuff resonating, I think Jim will win just off of you know, crowd resonating with the crowd, of crowd resonating with the crowd. And Ransom love Ransom dope MC but it's very monotone. And listening to 20 Ransom joints in a battle-style format, back-to-back-to-back, I don't think that'll fare well for him.
Speaker 2:Jim's energy will be there, yeah. And that changes things a little bit. Cj also asked canim beat remy?
Speaker 1:I like how cj went there because I was thinking that but didn't get to say it. Uh, remy, I don't know, but I was thinking more so like a eve or rod digger around that time, because we don't have to be sexist and like limited to the guys, like it's dope, you know, female mcs, I'm taking it back. Rod dig is uh not new york my fault, but, um, I was thinking about and eve's not either, she's, she's philly, but so I'll say what now?
Speaker 2:oh, it's all fair game yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was just thinking in my head that, um, you know, I'm saying that we could pull out some female mcs too. That will probably beat Jim in the versus. That's a good pull, but I don't know if Remy could beat Jim if I'm being honest, it's a long night for Jim. The reason why I stand on that is because Remy's best stuff is not her own. It's not her own, she's featured on it.
Speaker 2:She's a feature. Yeah, I got Chief and CJ was asking why Travis Scott smacked Cody Rose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, he said he got an injury from that. It was like his ear wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think his ear because CJ crazy Travis got carried away. Man, yeah, you carry.
Speaker 1:We got too excited um trap is good as me, as long as he keep putting out dope j's yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't stop um. But nah, man, I mean, I think I think we start to figure out now, like again shout out to the breakfast club, I guess. But it's just one of those things where at some point, if you want a platform that large and you have an obligation to the fans and not, you know, not play with the fans, um, in their face. And I think this interview, where every time they could have pushed back and challenged it a little bit differently they respect you and I get it. You got to respect that person on your platform, but you can respect them by not even asking those silly-ass questions. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:I think they'd rather play the fans' face than the artist that's on their platform looking at them with a dead ass, serious face. Like name, another rapper that's, you know better than me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they did the Birdman.
Speaker 1:Don't act like you're stumped.
Speaker 2:Right. You can't pick and choose who you want to do that to. They did the Birdman. They're playing Birdman face. You see how that turned out right. They had Charlamagne ducking and diving between cars trying to get a part of that. Again, I'm not saying you got to be disrespectful, and this is no disrespect to our gym. We're just trying to figure out in real time. How do you measure him up against? Who do you put him up against? What category would you put him in? We know he's a rapper, so it won't be fair to put him up against true MCs. But when you put him up against anybody, it's not.
Speaker 1:But if I put him up against another rapper, I think a realistic matchup like catalog quantity you know if they came out of the same camp it would be Bleak. You know they came out of the same camp would be bleak and I think it wouldn't be close. It won't be and you know me, I rock with bleak and that might be a little biased. But I don't even think it would be close and I don't even think you would have to pull songs that bleak was featured on, that were jays or whatever. I think bleak could take joints from his own catalog and still watch Jim.
Speaker 2:No, I agree. Yeah, Bleak would be a long night for Jim, straight up and down. If we're being completely honest, I'm joking around with you about Bleak, but yeah, Bleak could get Jim up out of here with no problemo, Straight up and down. I mean, we'll see. I know he's going to be on Joe Budden podcast, I think next.
Speaker 1:I hope Joe challenge him. He's not Well. Joe's Jersey, Joe's Jersey, to be fair.
Speaker 2:He'll probably like he's not, he's not. Joe probably want to tread lightly anyhow, because if he said the wrong thing, 50 could be right back on him and Campbell right back on him. So this whole interview could go left field real fast after it's done.
Speaker 1:That's a fact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that can happen real quick.
Speaker 1:But forget versus bro challenged Cam to a boxing match that was nasty, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:I'll box your head off. That is crazy. That was nasty man. That is crazy. But shout out to Jim man, shout out to Jim. Like I said, I enjoyed Jim's overall catalog. We just wanted to have a conversation about, you know, the comments that were made. You know I know we wanted to wait until we get a chance to kind of talk through it and put things in perspective. I think the album, at the End of the Day, I think the album is a solid album. I don't rank it high. I think it may be a 3.5. Maybe a 3.5. Maybe a 3.5. I don't have it nowhere close to top five album of the year so far, top 10. We'll see how that plays out, but it's a very solid effort. I don't think Jim has a true trash album. I think he just has a bunch of solid albums In my opinion. I don't know how you feel about that, but I don't think that he has and that's solely on the production side of things.
Speaker 1:I agree with that.
Speaker 2:Production evolves. Man Production evolves straight up and down. So let's get to the last part of the show. Let's talk about the press play and before we get into your press play list, tell us why you selected what you selected. Hold on, we got another CJ the Kid super chat.
Speaker 1:I want to mention Pastor, but he washes drip. I was going to mention Pastor, but he washes gym.
Speaker 2:I don't know man, no, we're not going to do that. I'm kind of deciding on that. No, we're not going to do that. I'm kind of undecided on that. Yeah, we're not going to do that. We can't do that. Jim got some bangers. He got some bangers out there, yeah, so yeah, let's get to your press play AG.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, we want to give rest and peace to Angie Stone and also also, more recently, uh, roy airs like that one hit me, man. Um, everybody loves the sunshine. It's one of my favorite songs of all time in any genre. I love that song, um, but anyway, man, I my press play was inspired by that, by loss, because every week we're coming in here reporting that somebody has passed away, either, you know, really tragically, or you know, by some other causes, losing some of our best artists that we have in our genre and hip hop and soul and R&B and funk, and, you know, representing Black artists, and it's really, you know, a tough pill to swallow, like every week, to turn around and be one of our giants that ends up having to go. So that's what inspired my press playlist. Was, um was, uh, basically tribute songs to some of those giants that we lost. So, um, I'll jump it off.
Speaker 1:Um, first track I got is, uh, we will survive, by Nas off of the I am album. Um, a lot of people, uh, you know it's kind of shocked me uh, don't like this track as much as I do. I thought that it was a track loved by all nas fans, but a lot of people don't really rock with it like that, and I've always loved this joint. It's actually the joint that, ironically enough, jumped off the uh, the battle between uh jay and nas. You know what I mean Talking about Jay claiming to be New York's king. But the reason why I love the track so much is it's a sequel, if you will, to One Love. It mirrors the tone of the track One Love and also the fact that in One Love he's penning letters to his homies locked up in jail and in this song he's pinning letters to both Big and Pac paying his respects, and the Kenny Loggins sample is just crazy. I just love this track, but just hearing Nas pay his respects to both Big and Pac through the same format that he did, you know One Love, I just thought it was very creative and I always loved that song. So that's my first joint. And speaking of, like, pinning letters, my second joint is Letter to Big by Jadakiss off the Last Kiss album, which we talked about earlier. It's just Jadakiss getting big up to speed with where everything is at in the current rap climate at that point in time and as well as what was going on with his career. You know what I mean and talking about his children and how they grew up and sort of things. So I like Jadakiss' approach on the track and I thought it was a nice touch to have you know Biggie's ex-wife, you know Faith, seeing the hook on there. So I thought that was a dope joint Keeping it in the Lox family. We always love Big Papa off the Money, power, respect album.
Speaker 1:I don't know about you, sean, but at the time when Big's death was still pretty fresh, I was playing this record more than Puff's Missing you. You know what I'm saying. Although it was a big hit and I'm not trying to trash that record or whatever Although it was a big hit. Sting sampled all that stuff. Once I found out that somebody else pinned that, I kind of looked at that record differently. You know what I'm saying. Sauce Money pinned that record and I just kind of looked at that kind of weird. You know what I mean. Because like, if my homie go goes that I'm right from the heart. I'm not going to get somebody that goes right my feelings for me to convey, but that's neither here nor there. But I was playing this record, you know more, so the more in the lost of a notorious big. This is a you know I'm saying a the Lost of Notorious BIG. This is a you know what I'm saying really dope record by the lots Paying homage to Big.
Speaker 1:Next, I've been playing this song a lot lately Got Life's Changes by the Wu-Tang Clan off of Eight Diagrams. I've been playing this album heavy over the past few weeks. Me and Sean talked about it behind the scenes. I think it's underrated a little bit for a Woo album. People don't mention this album when we're talking about the Woo, but I just think this is a beautiful song paying homage to Dirty and with all the members on there. I think it was a little bit of controversy around Ghost verse not being on the record, but you know at any rate, I mean they all pay homage to Dirty and I think it's a beautiful song, beautiful sample and it's one of my favorites from this album.
Speaker 1:And there's a continuation of that later years down the road on Cuban links to called Asan Jones, where where Ray Kwan pays his personal respects to dirty and I think he does a great job describing dirty who he was as a character and as a person. Like you know just everything about him. The descriptive verse on there it was just, it was really dope, you know what I'm saying Real heartfelt, and I love that track, you know what I mean. And I actually got a bonus joint it's my last one and that would be QB Politics off the sorry Queensbridge Politics, off the Lost Tapes 2 by Nas.
Speaker 1:With that one it's different, it's kind of an outlier from all the rest because Nas is paying tribute to Prodigy and on the record, but the tone of it is a little different because, not, it seems like Nas is struggling with the fact that P is gone and there was still unresolved issues and tensions in the air among, you know, prodigy and other Queensbridge brethren at the time of his passing and why his mural was getting defaced and those things.
Speaker 1:And although Nas himself found peace and closure with I mean sorry, although Nas found, you know, peace with Prodigy before he passed, it was still some closure that he needed and a lot of things that weren't, were left unsaid, that weren't resolved in full because of, you know, the book that Prodigy put out and things of that nature. So it's, it seems, like an emotional tug of war on that record. You know what I'm saying. It's a tribute song but at the same time it's like an emotional tug of war on that record. You know what I'm saying. It's a. It's a tribute song, but at the same time it's like grappling with some closure that you didn't get Um when one of your people's no longer here and they go on too soon. So that was the last one I had.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, A little somber, but I yeah a little heavy a little heavy.
Speaker 2:A little heavy, I get it, I get it. Um, my inspiration for this week's press play was more so around Havoc H-A-V-O-C. Um, I wanted to. I wanted to share at least five songs from Havoc that he didn't produce with themob deep. Um, I was listening to a lot of Havoc stuff as of late and, you know, preparing for his new album that's coming out real soon Method man and I wanted to dig into the crates a little bit and just play some joints this week for myself that he actually produced outside of Mob, and my first one that I had was the Last Date with Big. And again, you know, this is one of those beats that Havoc. You never thought that Havoc would even do a production for Biggie, especially with things going on back then, but he lays big with one of the dopest beats on that actual album. So I wanted to represent that one.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you something real quick? Yeah, was that the first time you heard the locks?
Speaker 2:No, no, I heard the locks right before that, because I heard them on a mixtape.
Speaker 1:Was it ULC? Because that's the first time I heard them ULC on a clue tape.
Speaker 2:I heard them on a Ron G tape.
Speaker 1:On a Ron G tape. Yeah them on a um, on a uh ron g tape on a ron g tape.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it was man that was like in 90, maybe 96, maybe late 96, when I heard 96 yeah, that's when I heard yeah, I heard on the clue tape late 96.
Speaker 2:It was, you'll see, with big yeah yeah, I heard him on a ron g tape mixtape which is the freestyle okay, um. My second one was the promise. Always loved this beat that he gave foxy. Always loved this beat. Um, love that song, actually one of the top songs on that album. I love that joint but definitely wanted to represent, uh, the promise. Then I want to go to Lil' Kim Hold it Now, because he actually produced Hold it Now on Lil' Kim's album. Love that joint.
Speaker 2:I thought this was one of those joints that if you didn't know Habit produced it you wouldn't have known, because it's not a Habit sound. He was showing some range on this one as well. This one, habit started tinkering with other beats and different formulas. I loved the way he flipped this one right here from Lil' Kim. So Hold it Now is one of those and one of my favorite ones Fully Loaded Clip. I love Fully Loaded Clip by 50. This is one of my favorites. I think it's the best song on the album. It's up there, the Fully Loaded Flip joint. And have it Kill that Beat Still listen to that joint to this day. Man, jay and Beyoncé were kissing I was putting grams in my kitchen. That was 50-50, man. But I love that joint. And my last one man is actually Chic, chic at that joint 45 Minutes to Broadway.
Speaker 1:And again slept on album. Slept on album man After taxes.
Speaker 2:Slept on album man. Yo Chic would get Jim up out of here. He really would, man. Thankfully Chic doesn't. People don't respect Sheik's name enough Enough. He showed you what he can do in that versus battle where he had his solo joint, where he had a chance to get in front of the crowd and rock the crowd. Sheik got a catalog for your ass as well.
Speaker 1:The ultimate glue guy, man Sheik, plays the back a lot. When they first came out he was my favorite one in the lots, for real.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. So shout out to Sheik as well, man. But yeah man, yeah, appreciate it, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:I just want to say something to that 50 Cent joint. Like around that era when that was out, like I was thinking in my head because you know, mob, you know later on signed the 50 Cent and all that, and I was thinking in my head because 50 was on the decline, you know, after he lost the sales battle, the Kanye and all that stuff. But man, like around the time that Mobb Deep signed with him for Blood Money, like around the time that Mobb Deep signed with him for Blood Money, I was really wanting a fully produced album by 50. I mean a full 50 cent album produced by Havoc. Around that era. I think that would have went crazy.
Speaker 2:It would have been crazy. It would have been crazy, man, Because again you're talking about 50 and a half. Anytime they linked up it was something special, Because that's what you want to hear 50 over, you know, 50 got to that point where making all the money, you know you got the hits. And now it's not so much he's chasing the hit, he's just in the pocket where the hits resided.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and not for nothing. Like Banks, I think Banks, you know what I'm saying would sound great a fully produced Havoc joint.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely Hard, hitting Hard hitting.
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