HipHop Talks Podcast
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HipHop Talks Podcast
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Welcome to Hip Hop Talks. Yo yo, How's everybody doing? Sean AG, what up People? What up, what up? What up, what up?
Speaker 2:to the chat.
Speaker 1:Shout out to the chat, to the Discord, to all the people Make sure you click, like and subscribe to our page. I know I missed our episode where we went over 2K last episode, but we are officially over 2K, so congrats to us, congrats to you guys, thank you to all the people who have followed us, supported us, stay down with us, continue to help us grow, click, like, subscribe, share, got another great show on the docket. Sorry I wasn't here last week. Life took over the end like Life be lifin', life be lifin'. So you know it's rare that I miss an episode, but had to take care of that. How y'all doing, how's your weeks been Grindin'?
Speaker 2:Grindin' man, grindin' Grindin'. It's good though.
Speaker 1:Okay, how we want to get started off. Y'all want to go ahead and jump right on in with some music anniversaries.
Speaker 2:Let's do these anniversaries. Let's do the anniversaries. Shout out to the chat. I'm tagging y'all back right now. Pause. Shout out to the chat. It started early Wow.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm pretty certain, it's only what. 45, 60 seconds into the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so go get us flagged early.
Speaker 2:I was going to say, take it back.
Speaker 1:There'll be no Skrilla for us this year, fellas. There'll be no Skrilla for us. Speaking of Skrilla, you know what rhymes with Skrilla the name of Rick Ross's album. Trilla Celebrated the anniversary March 11, 2008. What are y'allall thoughts on this early album for Rick Ross? I feel like this is like an album time and a point in Ross's career where Rick Ross wasn't the Rick Ross that he's recognized as now, but this album has something to do with his now legendary status. What are your thoughts on Trilla, ag?
Speaker 3:Great album, definitely not a classic. Like you said, coop, this was early on in his career and I think each project was ascending till he eventually hit that almost classic status record and deeper than rap, you know, in my opinion, um, but uh, I love this. I love this album. Um first made back music is on here, classic record, one of my favorite jay features of all time. I don't think it's even brought up enough. To be honest, um, hold on deeper than what's that?
Speaker 1:you think deeper. You don't think deeper than rap is a classic I mean I do.
Speaker 3:I said this was the essential to it. I think it's debatable. I I consider it a classic, but some people may not. But I do this got luxury tax on it. It's a lot of heat rocks on this album and I'm a big fan of it. Sean, I don't think he is, because everything that Ross puts out Sean hates.
Speaker 2:Don't do that. No, don't do that. This is pre-hate for me. This is when I was actually rocking the bass. Oh, this is when, yeah, I started hating on Ross like two years ago, going into a year and a half, okay okay, so the hatred is a recent bias. It's not an old bias you didn't have a bias buy-in?
Speaker 1:No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2:Not at all. This is what I honestly felt. That Ross was one of those. I'm going to be honest with you. I used to play the boss all the time. That beat on the boss was crazy. The boss is crazy. The record is crazy.
Speaker 1:I had the Nissan Maxima on blast. I want to let everybody know these dudes have been in the background. We've been talking about Q45s and Chevy Cavaliers. What are we going to talk about next? The Corsica? What else? We got A little 1956.
Speaker 3:Corvette. Yo, we should do a whole segment on hood cars. You know what I'm saying? Volkswagen Jettas, that was a hood classic right there. You know what I'm saying gotta have the Pathfinder, yeah, nissan yo for sure, the 4Runner, the Toyota 4Runner.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, I still ride a 4Runner right now you know what I'm saying no doubt, no doubt real, real quick real quick before we slide to the next album. This was the point where I started to put Ross over Jeezy and Coop. You being the down south guy, you know. Did you feel the same way when Trilla came out? Because I think this is the point where he passed Jeezy in my book?
Speaker 1:I don't think he passed Jeezy in my opinion until God forgives him, I don't. But I was more of a Jeezy in my opinion until God forgives and I don't. But I was more of a Jeezy fan earlier than a Ross fan and became more of a Ross fan than a Jeezy fan later. I am a big fan of 103 by Jeezy. I think that is Jeezy's last great studio industry album and so when you look at it early on it's like, well, early on Jeezy's got 101, the Recession 103, and Trapper Die 1 or 2, in my opinion, and so I don't know, even if he took them over, maybe in terms of notoriety he took them over because this has here I Am and Maybach Music and Luxury Tax, and so it's just more of a coming out party for him.
Speaker 1:So he might have passed him in notoriety, but I don't think he really passed him. Until God forgives it, I don't. But I'm also biased and I love both artists but was partial to Jeezy first and Ross later. I didn't really probably become a fan of Ross until Deeper Than Rap Trilla was dope to me, but it wasn't the album that made me a fan. Deeper Than Rap is what made me a fan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm with that and I still think God Forgives and I Don't is his best project and I do think that that's a classic. I agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's slide to the next project. Guys, boogie Down Productions live hardcore, march 12th 1991. Sean, this was a nice pull by you. I'm glad that we're actually bringing this up. What are your thoughts about live?
Speaker 2:No, I'm just kidding. No, look, man, when you think about BDP, you think of KRS-One. Of course, inside the Bridge Is Over. All of that was on his live I think he played. If I remember correctly, he played that song several times during that live as well, not for the actual album itself, but just for the live itself. He was also playing, of course, everything from South Bronx, everything he was doing on there. He was on the run. This was when K at it, this is when he was the philosopher, the teacher, all of the above. He came off one of the biggest runs of a new artist coming out and stomping all over Shan, shout out to Shan, queens, get the money. But it is what it is. He ascended really fast just off of that alone. This, to me, was a cherry on top, if you will, when it came down to where he went from criminal-minded and then you transition into this later on. I think 91 when this came out. 91 was a lot of time.
Speaker 2:So now you're talking about 91, on the cusp of a new wave of hip-hop, and this was like the book end to that 88, 89, 90hop and this was like the bookend to that 88, 89, 90 era. And then you have this in 91, before you get to the new cuss of hip-hop, and he did his thing, man. So that's how I feel about it. Like again, you know how I feel about BDP, krs-one and everything they did to Queens at one point. Everything they did to Queens, you got to give respect to it, though. Got to give respect to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, AG. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:Hey, man, blastmaster KRS I mean this album and live performance shows why he's one of the best ever to do it. You know, even if you don't have KRS in your top ten, say what you will like, he's definitely one of the best performers we've ever seen on the mic. You know he's the definition of an emcee in that regard. As far as controlling, you know saying moving the crowd, and you know this is a testament to that. What I was kind of wondering, I don't know for a fact, but was this the first live album and rap that was put out, because I can't think of any before it I can't, I can't, I don't I want to say hammer, did one.
Speaker 2:I'll get out my head, sean.
Speaker 1:But was it around the same time though it feels like it might have been the same time, because it was I do remember the hammer album you're talking about.
Speaker 3:I think it was roughly the same time because this is 91, but maybe somebody in the chat can fact check uh. Somebody in the chat can uh fact check that for us. But you know, I was just wondering that when we was uh talking about this album, is it the first you know live album, um, by a rap artist that was put out, but you knowS-One is one of the best performers. Live there is Period.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what. It seems crazy to say this, but for where we are in 2025, krs-one is actually starting to be underrated, guys, he's actually starting to be criminally underrated. And here's why Because if you actually look at his catalog, like if you look at the Boogie Down Productions catalog, the Boogie Down Productions catalog is enough to get him in top ten consideration. Then you actually have his quote-unquote solo, solo work, and to me, the Boogie Down Productions work is pretty much solo work anyway. You know what I mean, yeah, and so you look at well, what do you want out of an mc? Do you want longevity? Because it's like, well, he's got that in spades. Literally, the only guy that rivals that still walking around is ll um. What do you want you? Because, well, his peer group are Big Daddy, kane, rock M and Slick Rick and Cool G Rap. It's like, how much more elite of a peer group do you want for Upper Echelon MC? What would you like? Would you like all-time great storytelling songs?
Speaker 3:Well, he has those he's got Love's Gonna Get you.
Speaker 1:You want all-time great albums? He's got Criminal Minded and by All Means Necessary. You want just dope-ass rap records? He's got Sound of the Police, black Cop, step Into a World. Aw yeah, mc's Act Like they Don't Know. Rappers Are in Danger. Jack of Spades. It's like he's actually becoming criminally underrated. It's criminal minded that he's criminally underrated.
Speaker 3:All-time classic rap songs and albums. Yeah, he's got the voice.
Speaker 1:He's got the live performance. Think about it he's got everything. So when you're saying AG, the fact that he's not considered by some to be top 10 is the part about it where it's like are we tripping? We might be tripping.
Speaker 3:Well, I'll go ahead and lump myself in that group because I'm in that crowd. Well, I'll go ahead and love myself in that group because I'm in that crowd. I don't have KRS in my top 10, but I think it would be a travesty if you put them anything lower than 20. You know, but for me is, at what point do we call longevity too much? Because we just got through talking about what Busta was doing last week, you know, and putting out projects, and at some point you got to hang it up.
Speaker 1:So KRS got like 25 or more albums, and kris's last project was dope. Though who want to be an mc that?
Speaker 3:was actually, but would you agree that his catalog is pretty top heavy?
Speaker 1:define top heavy. What do you? When you're saying top heavy, what do you mean?
Speaker 3:he has classics, no question about it, and those are all-time great rap albums, but the rest of it, a lot of the latter stuff, is forgettable, and I mean that respectfully.
Speaker 1:How about this? His top ten is as good as anybody's top ten this side of Nas or Scarface or Jay. It is Like his top ten, his best ten albums. You can sit them next to Common and Cube, I mean, because I think you could say that about a lot of other guys. He's just been doing it longer, so he has more product that you can say that about. But if you want to talk about the top-heavy stuff, it's like, well, go look at like the five or six Boogie Down production albums and his best four solo projects and it's like, oh no, that rivals anybody's 10 best.
Speaker 3:This side of the odds. You know, I'm glad you, I'm glad you brought that up because, like me and um, you know, one of my friends was talking about this before like when judging the goats, sometimes you have to go to their not so favorable work because everybody's peak stuff you can kind of like you know it's interchangeable, if you will. You know all these classics going around, so when I'm somebody, let's pull out their worst work, shout out to our discord man. Like our discord is always on fire, like today. We was having a conversation about Nas's catalog and where we ranked, like you know, magic two or streets, the cycle untitled, you know the lost tapes to something like that. And I said I had magic 2 like 13th in his catalog. You know what I'm saying. So who else you know what I mean has an album of that quality as their 13th best project? And not saying it's a bad one, but when we rate the bottom tier of your catalog, if you will, I think that's a separator when we're talking about the goats.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I understand what you're saying when you say that it's like well at their worst, what's their batting average when they're at their worst, and so I understand that when you're saying that. But then there's stuff like this let's take BDP's live hardcore and then let's move on. This is the worst Boogie Down production album. You get what I'm saying. It's like this is their week. This is their low moment as a group.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but you're right, koop, he is underrated overall, like in the grand scheme. How about this?
Speaker 1:You all remember Blaze Magazine. Oh yeah, blaze Magazine did a top 50 MCs in like what was that? 1999?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was 98 or 99.
Speaker 1:Okay, so think about it. That was 26, 27 years ago. He was number two on that list. When that list came out, as he should be, he was number two. It was rock him. Biggie was third, yeah, fourth. Ll was fifth, I think I forget. I forget who was six. I feel like ice cube might have been six. Jay was seven. Slick rick was eight. No, jay was ninth. They had nas at like 15. It was, but. But what I'm saying is is that, like, literally a quarter century ago, no, jay was ninth, they had Nas at like 15. But what I'm saying is that, literally a quarter century ago, he was in conversation like he's the greatest MC of all time. I don't think his catalog has been that subpar that he should slide to the back end of the back 20. How about this, ag? You have Kendrick and Jadakiss ahead of him, right? Yes, explain to me your actual. I know it's a personal thing, but do you have an objective argument? That's credible.
Speaker 3:Jadakiss would be harder to defend because, you know, by definition he doesn't have a classic album to the people. Like you know, I I consider kiss the game goodbye close to a classic. But um, for me, ranking him as high as I do, I think jada kiss has been maintained a level of excellence for longer than krs1 has. You know what I mean. Although krs is still good, jada kiss has never took a dip in 25 years. You know what I'm saying. So that would be my justification for kiss, which is harder to do, kendrick. I think he's just had too many big impact moments to not have him ahead of krs, because kendrick got classic albums too. We got to call it what it is but his impact in the game, I think at this juncture, has been bigger than KRS's. So I think that would be the buy-in for Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Okay, if I could give you a quick rebuttal before, before we slap my rebuttal to both of those would be is is that well, jadakiss doesn't know about KRS's highs because he hasn't made as many classic albums as KRS, because KRS has classic albums, not even close.
Speaker 1:So he doesn't operate actually Like. This is my thing with Kiss. It's like well, you don't operate, even though you operate on the mic on the level of KRS. Can't rate you ahead of KRS because KRS operates on the mic like you do, operates live better than you do, and that's saying a lot because this is dope live. But he also operates in album making mode better than you.
Speaker 1:And I would say he actually does all of those things better than Kendrick too, and that's why, and that's why I was asking you that, sean, you have anything to add? For we go to the next one. No, I'll smoke that I'm good. Gangstar's Hard to Earn, march 8, 1994. Sean Hard to Earn, tell me your thoughts. Gangstar's second best album. I think it is.
Speaker 2:I think it's either second or third. I'm leaning more so. Third Best album. Third, I don't know man Production. Okay, hold on. Hold on, explain yourself.
Speaker 1:Third, explain yourself to the people. It could be second. It could be second.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm thinking, what about? It makes it third to you, the production? No, no, I'll go back to second the production no-transcript that we are known Primo for at this point here, and I felt that Guru was so sharp on this one, this might see the totter in between. I wouldn't argue anybody to say this is number one. To be quite honest, Because now I'm thinking about it, Guru. So I'm back from three to one. I'm thinking I'll get some of the apples mixed up. Thinking in real time.
Speaker 1:First of all, let me know, let me tell you what you did. You went from one side of the bridge and then we pulled you off and then you proceeded to run to the other side of the bridge.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking in real time.
Speaker 1:He's covering all bases. Covering all bridges too. Something on the land.
Speaker 2:I don't know where it's going to land, but something on the land. If you cover all bases, something got to land. But no, I think I would give it number two, because that's more so because of the production. I do think that Guru was really sharp on here, but I think the production for me the production might be some of the collective of Primo's beats, like the best that I've heard in this one as a collection. I'm not talking about highs versus lows versus mids, I'm talking about just steady Eddie throughout the entire album.
Speaker 3:Go ahead Coop.
Speaker 1:I know you want to wax poetic about.
Speaker 3:Moment of. Truth Go ahead. No, I, I know you want to wax poetic about Moment of Truth.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, I'm not even about to do that. Here's what I would tell you Hard to Earn is their second best album, because these beats are great, but these are what I like to call cypher beats. These beats are great to cypher to. That was the error. Yes, okay, these beats are great to cypher to.
Speaker 3:That was the error Right.
Speaker 2:You got some feel on here. That's what I mean. It's the ultimate cypher beat, ultimate cypher beat.
Speaker 1:That's what I would say before I wax poetic. Go ahead, ag.
Speaker 3:I was just going to say I think it's close. I personally have moment of truth because, to what Sean was saying, from the moment you press play to the record ends, moment of Truth is his magnum opus as far as Primo's concerned, and I hope he tops that with his Nas album, but that remains to be seen. But this album it's a close second. But the Wicked and Mass Appeal is two of the greatest hip-hop songs of all time. So the highs are extremely high on here. But it's just like from. You know, like Coop says, the end-to-end player Moment of Truth edges it. But this right here, another classic in their catalog.
Speaker 1:Can I tell you all something, right quick. I'm not as big as Dwick on it. I'm not as big on Dwick as everybody else is. I don't think it's as all-time great as everybody else thinks it is. Mass Appeal is like that.
Speaker 3:Mass Appeal might be one of the greatest beats of all time. Oh yeah yeah, it's up there. It's up there. I mean, everybody loves Dwick. That's the first time I've heard anybody say that, even Primo ranked it in his own catalog.
Speaker 1:How about this? It's one of those records that I love it. I don't love it the way everybody else loves it, the way people respond when it comes on. I don't respond that way necessarily, you get what I'm saying you like.
Speaker 3:Speak your Cloud. That's my joint Speak your Cloud. Speak your Cloud. That's my joint Speak.
Speaker 1:Your Cloud's good.
Speaker 2:Hold on.
Speaker 1:Which one Hold on? No, no, no, just To Get A Rep's not on here. No, no, that's on.
Speaker 3:Which is one of Guru's best storytelling tracks ever. I love Just.
Speaker 1:To Get A Rep. That's a top 10-ish gangsta record to me. Yep, is this album a classic before we go to the next one? Is it a classic?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think it is. Let me ask you all this when do y'all hold Guru? Where do y'all rank Guru? It's in your top 20s, in your top-. I don't want to answer that question. I don't want to answer that.
Speaker 1:We don't talk about that. I don't hear Guru's name. Sean, you want to know what Guru might be the most difficult MC to rate of all time?
Speaker 3:That's why I don't want to talk about it, man.
Speaker 1:Rest in peace. To Guru man, it is so difficult to rate him appropriately because he has so many intangible qualities as an MC that represent hip-hop properly that he probably doesn't get his just due. But on the juxtaposition of that is the fact that there were so many guys that did kind of like, how about this? Guru? Very much content-wise, is very comparable in Oz, yeah, yeah, but he's not not on the mic, and I think that's the thing that he suffers from is that for what he provides content wise, yeah, there is a Tupac in a nose, you know, right in between that, and so I think Tupac and I actually have something to do with him, probably not being as notarized, because if those two guys don't exist, his commentary and his content probably shines a little more, because he's very much of that ilk in terms of his social commentary, political, socioeconomic analysis of black life, his hip hop roots, his educational and fundamental speaking in terms of you understand every word that is coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, you, you smoke that group. You hit the nail on the head and I didn't want to do this. But you're right, he is the hardest emcee to rank and if you listen to some features on Gangstar albums you can hear why and the difference. Like you said, he does everything, everything really good, but just not good enough. And I don't mean this disrespectfully, but it almost comes off as like when he's rhyming next to somebody of that elk that you know he's a good storyteller, but if you rhyme somebody against next to somebody else, that's a good storyteller.
Speaker 3:Guru almost comes off as basic and I don't mean that in a bad way and you know his voice with the monotone style which he leaned into that. But it's almost like you said, coop, he does everything well in hip hop, but it's almost like I don't know how many video gamers we got out there in the chat Shout out to my son or whatever, but you know you play a game and then you got you know all the exclusive like skins and stuff you have on the game. But it's almost like Guru is the default for a dope MC, if that makes sense with the analogy.
Speaker 1:You want to know what he is and, ag, you're right about the analysis, he's actually the definition of what a B-list MC is, respectfully and I mean that in a respectful way, Because here's the thing, AG, when you go to the storytelling, we'll go to him versus scarface on betrayal, and it's like you see the separation when he's next to a scarface. You see the separation, lyrically, when he's next to an inspector, deck right, uh, or even a crumb snatcher, or make him pay. Yes, you feel me. When he's next to those guys, you realize no, he's dope enough to be there, but he's not the guy. How about this? You want to know what would have even been doper, I think, if Guru, you know, if he would have been the second hand in a group and not the lead mc, like, imagine if he was with a q-tip or if he, or if he was with a posse news.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying yeah, like a complimentary piece yeah, imagine if he was the alternative and not the lead actor like like, rest in peace to him, who just died. In a lot of ways, you know who guru is, he's our gene hackman. In a lot of ways, like gene hackman was never really the guy, but he would always played an important part in a lot of important movies and a couple of times he had some moments, moment of truth being one of those moments, um, unforgiving being gene hackman's moment where you're like, oh man, this guy is phenomenal. But for the most part, but for most part, he was the supporting actor to the lead.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's great. I think the mid-90s evolution of the MC hurt him Because by standards in the early 90s Guru was top tier. That's fair.
Speaker 1:That mid-90s evolution hurt him. How about this? You say he was top tier. Do you think he was better than Q-Tip? Because I would tell you no.
Speaker 3:No, q-tip had better style stylistically, but I'm just talking about lyrically. Straight down the middle he was the prototypical lyrical MC or whatever. And then the evolution of that where Cats got more lyrical and more braggadocious and have more style, more flavor. I think, like I said, guru's the default.
Speaker 2:it's not that the default's bad, you know, I'm saying it's just that everybody else got exclusive yeah, I mean his style is the way he his delivery, because if you compare his delivery to those who have very similar, like GZA for example, very similar monotone, but GZA went so deep his depth was crazy. I mean, go to Liquid Swords. There's nothing that I don't think that Google could have done to be able to handle something for Liquid Swords.
Speaker 3:Be honest yeah, like when you're doing create a player or whatever, like we was talking about NBA 2K, like you can you know all the attributes, you can you know I'm saying make them better, whatever. But it's like guru, steady eddie man, like he was.
Speaker 2:He was just you know the basics, like really good at everything, but just not great and let me ask you this real someone, ask you this real quick Cooper and AG, because he was with Primo, one of the best producers of all time. Top five maybe right, arguably top five.
Speaker 1:No, he's top five. Primo's still top five, Even till this day. Primo's top five. Yeah, Primo's top five.
Speaker 2:If he had that in his arsenal, right, where would you rank him amongst the artists who rapped over Primo beats? I mean, he can't.
Speaker 3:He's not going to crack top five.
Speaker 1:On his best day. He's fourth because there's Big J and Nas, so that's already off the board.
Speaker 3:Primo did a lot of work with KRS. We just got through talking about KRS. He did.
Speaker 1:I'm a bluntunt Gettin' Smoked. That's actually one of the first Primo beats Outside of Gangsta. He did MC's Act Like they Don't Know and Rappers Are In Danger.
Speaker 3:So he's fifth I might give him fifth at best Showing him love. I was about to say.
Speaker 1:Big L on Platinum Plus.
Speaker 3:Now it's a lot of rappers that sound better because their voices cut through the track better than Guru, but they don't have enough work. With Primo, I would say that's Big L. I would say that's AZ. Az sounds flawless over Primo beats. Rakim sounds flawless on Primo beats.
Speaker 1:Hey, look here. The Come Up by AZ is one of my favorite A records.
Speaker 3:That shit is silky, I would love an AZ Premo album just as much as an Izan Premo album.
Speaker 1:That's like a top 10 AZ record for me.
Speaker 3:But good question, sean, that's a very good question it is an excellent question.
Speaker 1:All right To another legendary MC, more music anniversary Scarface with the Untouchable March 11th 1997.
Speaker 2:Ace Mob.
Speaker 1:Right, I love this project, guys. I think it really suffers from the fact that it came after his best project, ag Take it Away. That's it Like. That's the problem when I go back and listen to this album, because when this album came out I didn't love it, but I was still playing the Diary when the Untouchable came out too. That's how dope the Diary was.
Speaker 3:The Diary is unquestionably a classic. This one I struggle with because I think it has classic elements. But when we talk about face, I think he has two in a possible. I think the Diary and the Fix are the bonafide classics and I think this is the possible.
Speaker 1:But like I said, this is the possible, not Mr Scarface's back. You don't think Mr Scarface's back is a classic?
Speaker 3:when Mr Scarface's back was out I was a little kid and he was my favorite rapper him and Ice Cube. But I don't consider that a classic, being honest. But yeah, man, the highs on here is crazy, though, with Mary Jane you know one of his best songs, smile with Pac. The highs are crazy, but this album was in heavy rotation when it came out in 97. For me, I love this album. Personally, I would give it four and a half mics for me.
Speaker 2:Wow, I hope it's at my high as well. But I think about 97, and I think about the year of 97 was really the year of the golden. You know, the shiny suit era started out in 97. And I think this album and so many other albums that were really great, probably didn't fit the aesthetics of 97 musically and this album kind of stands out by itself. You got Smile as an outlier. Smile is a phenomenal record, one of the best records out there, but you're talking about a lot of glitz and glamour songs in 97. 97 was really loud, a lot of loud music in 97. And this just wasn't that loud. But to me I would give it a four and a half along. Won't give it a classic, but four, four and a half is reasonable for me.
Speaker 1:So I think for me, in reflection, when I look back on it, this is actually the start of one of the best rap careers in history and nobody really talks about it because really I personally am with you. A lot of people from the era prior to us think Mr Scarface is back as a classic. We were kids when it came out. Much like you, I love Scarface and Ice Cube, mostly because I was scared of them and that excited me. Right, the booming voices like man, this nigga, sound like he might kill my whole neighborhood. Cut that shit off. But if you actually look at Scarface's catalog, mr Scarface is back. Well, ag, I would tell you that's four and a half. I would tell you that the World Is Yours is probably his weakest album from that era in the 90s and that's probably a four. The Diaries of Five this is another four and a half. It's actually, if you look at it, it's the start to one of the better rap careers in history. And you didn't bring up the Ghetto Boys albums.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, no, no we're not even talking about that. We're talking about his work as a solo artist, like as a true solo artist. If I'm not mistaken, Dr Dre did a track on here has Look Into my Eyes on here. There's a lot of heat on here, guys, and you want to know what it really is. And, sean, you were right, it was because of the year that it came out. It's the most underrated rap album of 1997. That's what it is.
Speaker 3:Did Dr Dre do Faith? Who did Faith?
Speaker 1:I forget what record it is. It's one of the records in the back, but Dre did a record on here too, Like this album. It had some pieces on here Like it was really like his coming out party Cause it went platinum because of the pocket and the smile from a commercial standpoint.
Speaker 3:Yes, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean Like people got acquainted with it. But when you people go back to 1997, people always go back to Well, we go back to Wu-Tang Forever, go back to Life After Death, go back to, of course, puff Daddy and the Family. Nowhere I'll go to Wyclef James the Carnival, but if you actually look at Southern rap in 1997, you're actually not going to find a better product than Scarface's the Untouchables.
Speaker 2:You're not. You're not, it's just aesthetically just didn't fit 97. 97 was really taking a big turn.
Speaker 1:No, that's the thing about it. If you actually listen to it, this is Scarface making it fit for that era. This is as much compromising as he's doing.
Speaker 3:Other than the Fix, this is his most commercially viable album.
Speaker 1:This and the Fix are his commercially viable products. You kind?
Speaker 3:of have to buzz in with Scarface at this point.
Speaker 1:You know what the fix is. The fix is him just mastering what he had done on this album years prior. It has the same approach to the project. You know what I'm saying? Yeah and to. I think, well, ain't no thinking to the best classic album that we're covering, of all the classic albums that we're covering Tupac's Me Against the World, on my nephew's birthday, march 14th 1995. This is yours, coop. Shout out to my nephew Judah. I mean, you want to know what.
Speaker 1:I realized this today, and I know that the production on Machiavelli and on All Eyes on Me, book one and book two, is superior to me against the world. But when people are talking about Tupac and people are talking about the artist, the rapper, the actor, the man, the icon, guys, this is the album, this is the icon moment, this is the legendary moment, this is the moment in time. All Eyes on Me and Machiavelli are the moment after the big moment happened. This is the moment in his career. These are the songs, guys. This is the writer at his zenith. What you're listening to on All Eyes on Me is the MC at his zenith. What you're listening to on All Eyes on Me is the emcee at his zenith, the guy on All Eyes on Me and Machiavelli is the emcee at his zenith. The writer is at his zenith on this project His best records, his most heartfelt records, what he's known for, the things that put him in the conversation to be the greatest emcee of all time, the things that put him in the conversation to be the greatest MC of all time.
Speaker 1:The things that he does not have, that other artists have, that shit, that Big has, that shit that Jay and Nas have, that Rakim has, that KRS has, that he does not have, because he can write a record that makes you feel exactly what it is that he's trying to make you to feel. It's the hardest thing to do in hip-hop. Nobody did it better and nobody did it better on one album than he did it on this album. Two of his five best songs, in my opinion, are on this album. That's dear mama and so many tears that's not counting temptations, that's not counting temptations, death Around the Corner.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, the writing on here is stellar. When people talk about some Nobel Peace Prize-winning worthy writing, this is the album that should have got a Nobel Prize for its writing, a Pulitzer for its writing, a Nobel Prize for its writing, a Pulitzer for its writing. That's how heartfelt and touching and conflicted and young and ambiguous, like he's everything on this project. There's a writer the emcee's not there yet, the production's not there yet, but where he is, as a writer, a songmaker, literally makes up for all of that and transforms it into a classic. So for people that are saying it's not a classic because of their production, you're wrong. For people that are saying that it's not a classic because of the lyricism, or what they quote unquote is not classic bar seminar lyricism you're wrong.
Speaker 1:This is kind of like, actually, for the same year, this is very comparable. What he did on this album is very comparable to the uh, the team that akim carried to the championship that year. He's 95, elijah on this album. It's like, oh no, same year. The team, the team ain't great, but that motherfucker is one of the best motherfuckers that ever lived on this project you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Just like akim in that postseason. For that postseason, it's like, oh no, he, no, he. Just as good as kareem ever was for that postseason. For that postseason, it's like, oh no, he, no, he. Just as good as kareem ever was for that postseason. As good as russell ever was, as good as chamberlain shack. Oh for, right there, because he took a team that had no business even making it to the conference finals, to another championship. That's who pak is on this album. Does it have a business? It has real. It has no real business being a classic, outside of the fact that he is so fucking legendary on there, guys, flawless.
Speaker 1:He is so fucking legendary on there, guys, flawless, he is so legendary on there, it literally carries the album into classic territory the way that very few artists have and the way very few artists can Imagine. If he would have had the beats that DMX had to, it's Dark and Hell is Hot. For me, against the world, it'd be one of the five best rap albums of all time. It's crazy. Those are my thoughts. Your turn, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I could talk about this album all day. I could talk about this album all day. This is the album that I played on the city bus going from school on the west side of town back to where we had moved to the south side of town, and back and forth. I can remember this was the project. He was going triple platinum in jail. Yes, he was in prison. He was going triple platinum. Every neighborhood, every barbecue at night.
Speaker 2:This was it. This album was rocking its purest form. This album was rocking its purest form. This was before the lore, this was before the noise, everything that came along with him during the death row. Think about it, god, this came in 95, right? 96 was the explosion, because everything swirling around it, you had all the news around him. You had everything that was happening. This was the beginning of the legend of Tupac. You got a song like Old School, where he's playing old day having an old day. Tune to the old school of hip hop, new York hip hop at that. So you got Pac in his most vulnerable moment because you had the shooting. You got shot. You had the situation with the cops. You had all these things going on with him. Like you said, coop, the pen work in his album is phenomenal, because this is.
Speaker 2:I always thought this was Pac at his most honest moment. Honestly, I felt like this was Pac at his most honest moment, all Eyes On Me, maybe a little bit, you know, bloviated just a little bit because things swirling around and then you know the enigma of being with Death Row.
Speaker 3:You got Row.
Speaker 2:Machismo right, Because now you got.
Speaker 1:The rap bravado is all eyes on me, bingo.
Speaker 2:Because I have to lean into it now. I have to lean into it.
Speaker 1:I have to live it all the way out now.
Speaker 2:I have to take it all the way out. But with this album and I think the reason why this album is not as lauded as you eloquently put it, Coop, is because you have All Eyes On Me and everything around it, Because you have Machiavelli and everything around it, All of the noise and the storylines that goes along with those two albums it really doesn't capture anything on this album right here. And this album right here is the most purest form. It's like Nas lost tape. It's Nas' purest form.
Speaker 1:It's like Nas Lost.
Speaker 2:Tape is.
Speaker 1:Nas' purest form.
Speaker 2:His most vulnerable form he doesn't care about skills. He doesn't care about anything else. This is my pen and me. My pen, my paper and me, and this is what this album was His pen paper and himself.
Speaker 1:Think about this this album, actually, in terms of who he is, doesn't have any commercially viable singles. If you actually look at it. The record label didn't know, dear Mama was going to be that you want to know how you know, they didn't know Because they made Temptations the first single.
Speaker 1:They didn't know Dear Mama was going to move like you want to know how. You know, they didn't know Because they made Temptations the first single. They didn't know Dear Mama was going to move like that Angle and I love Temptations, but Temptations isn't even I Get Around or Keep your Hip, which was the previous album. So this album wasn't even built around. It's not like this album was built around bangers. That's All Eyes On Me, all Eyes On. Not like this album was built around bangers. Right, that's all eyes on me.
Speaker 3:All eyes on me got the bangers. Those are bangers, yeah, just for days. Banger after banger, after banger after banger. These are the songs, guys. These are the songs, man. Listen y'all. Y'all smoke that man. Y'all.
Speaker 3:Both said things that I think are like astute points, because, sean, you said this is pock in his purest form. Think the same thing. The perfect dichotomy of who pock was as a man is captured on this album. Astute points because, sean, you said this is Pac in his purest form. Think the same thing the perfect dichotomy of who Pac was as a man is captured on this album. It's real polarizing and we get that tug of war of who he is as a person you spoke to. Pac was the only person who could make you feel things on a certain level. I remember when this album came out I was 14 years old. It came out the day before my birthday. You know what I'm saying. I got this album and listen, man, like when I listened to Pac.
Speaker 3:I would listen to Pac differently than everybody else, because most of the time you put on music it'll be in the background. You're doing something playing video games, hooping, whatever outside with your people. I would listen to Pac. I would go in my room, cut everything off and just zone. You know what I'm saying when I listen to Pac. You know what I mean, because he would tap into a different part of my brain. You know what I'm saying. And it's just. And Coop, you spoke to the singles. Oh, real quick. Before that, sean, you spoke to this as him in his purest form, with the lost tapes. Just, you know, no frills this album was. He didn't even get to promote or put this album out. It was sequenced and put out when he was in prison. He didn't even get the final say on none of that right.
Speaker 1:I'm about to say, he didn't even sequence the album.
Speaker 3:Correct. And then, to your point, coop with the singles. This to your point, coop with the singles. This joint went double, triple platinum. While he was in jail On singles he was not in one single video Temptations not in the video, dear Mama not in the video. And then, um, so Many Tears, not in the video. And, coop, I thought you was in my brain, man, when you said two of the top five pop songs on this record. For me personally, I have two of my favorite five pop songs, two out of my five favorite pop songs on this record. So Many Tears is my favorite pop song of all time, but coming in my number fifth spot is If I Die Tonight, which I personally think is arguably.
Speaker 1:Oh my God.
Speaker 3:I think that's arguably. I know you say he's a better MC on.
Speaker 1:All Eyes on Me and Macklebelly.
Speaker 3:That's the best mic performance on me in the world To this day, other than Against All Odds. Against All Odds is maybe the one I will put up against it. But If I Die Tonight for me is Pac's best mic performance as an MC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel the way about my block on the show soundtrack that you feel about if I die tonight, because when I look at the mic performance you want to know what it is, I see what the guy can be, and so I think that if I die tonight it's the guy that's on Machiavelli as an MC and that's the first time that you hear it and I think that's why it stays with you so hard, because you really don't hear that guy as an MC again until Machiavelli.
Speaker 3:And people say Pac wasn't an MC, what he was doing with all the P words and if I don't like how you wove them together, how about this?
Speaker 1:He used alliterations, particularly with the letter P. A lot Picture perfect. I paint a perfect picture of Bar Mahochi's decision. He did that all the time he did.
Speaker 3:He did that all the time. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm talking about when I'm talking about well. Guru was like that, but he wasn't like his AG. It goes back to what you're saying about being talented and being gifted. Well, Pac was gifted as a writer, the way literally only a handful of people who have ever touched the microphone have been gifted as a writer. And when I mean the microphone, I don't mean the microphone in a hip hop context. Has a writer? He, he, he. He is as rare as it gets. As a writer, he is one of the best writers in the history of music. People have to understand this. It's like Dear Mama as a song. The only song that rivals its cultural importance is Fight the Power by Public Enemy. We can talk about where you want to rank this song.
Speaker 1:In terms of cultural relevance and importance, it's only rivaled by Fight the Power by Public Enemy, which is literally our black superhero theme music song Right. Literally that's the only song that competes with it on a content cultural relevance level. It's up there, man. While he was on the verge of going to prison.
Speaker 3:Super classic. Everything about this is super classic.
Speaker 1:It's not like his mother was in danger of dying. That's what I mean about it being heartfelt. It was actually his life in jeopardy, not hers.
Speaker 3:And it was transparent. The things that he was saying on record wasn't even flattering about his mama. He put out there that she was a crack fiend, but it was a real record. You know what I'm saying. The sacrifice and the struggle that she had to make as a mother, I mean, it's just heartfelt man. Even if that's not your story, it still hits you right here. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Not many artists can do it.
Speaker 1:No, no, scarface DMX. Outside of that, everybody else operates on it Nas with Dance.
Speaker 2:I can't listen to that song.
Speaker 1:Okay, ghosts is up there. Nas and Ghosts have moments where they shift into that pocket. Scarface and DMX live there a little bit.
Speaker 3:DMX Scarface Pot, and we'd be remiss if we didn't say Joe, joe Budman, Mood music, joe, yes, and we'd be remiss if we didn't say Joe Joe.
Speaker 1:Budman Mood music, Joe. Yes, not on the same level, though, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:But he's up there.
Speaker 1:For a moment in time. Yes, yeah, so let's get to these Super Chats and then we can slide to the new music. Let's start with Sean. You want to pull them up for me, because they're way past Queens, get the money. Let's start with Sean. You want to pull them up for me because they're way past Queens, get the money. We in the building 007. What up? 00? Sorry, I missed your call. Busy week, kenny. What up Kenny? Hey, coop, moment of flutes. First of all, go ahead and ban Kenny. Go ahead and ban Kenny from the thread. Go ahead and ban Kenny from the chat. Go ahead and ban Kenny from the chat. It's going to get you out of here. You're not going to do that today. Not going to do that today. His behavior is wild. We got any more super chats? I feel like we got a couple more.
Speaker 2:Did we miss some? No, that was it Hold up. Yeah, we got one more Double.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I thought. Welcome back Coop Wu-Tang forever. What up fellas? Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Double is a piece of shit, man. Double is a piece of shit. That is petty.
Speaker 1:You and Kenny.
Speaker 3:Double's ain't petty. You gotta double man. Double be always third.
Speaker 1:When you and Kenny come down here, I'm gonna put you both off in the car. I'm gonna let you off at 285 by Spaghetti Junction in Doraville and let you all cross the street. About 10 lanes of traffic in about four bridges. That's what I got.
Speaker 2:Yo shout out to Dub all the way from.
Speaker 3:Australia man Shout out to Dub man.
Speaker 1:Drop your ass off on Pleasant Hill, we'll see how you do then. Yo, we got new music in the building. We got a new Freddie Gibbs track. This sounds like a Lucy. Is this a Lucy?
Speaker 2:Freddie Gibbs is crazy. It's a Lucy.
Speaker 3:Real quick for all my Marvel fans. Sean, I saw a comment on the YouTube of this and said that's Luke Cage with Misty Knight and Jessica Jones getting coffee. But I said to watch it, to watch it a little more like Claire, but that is wild.
Speaker 2:That is wild, go ahead, go ahead, yo, yo. Y'all got me listening to Freddie Gills. I'm being honest with you. Both of you guys got me listening to Freddie Gills.
Speaker 1:Don't do this you don't like Freddie.
Speaker 2:I like Freddie, I like Freddie. We had that debate around Freddie so y'all got me listening to Freddie a little bit more. Freddie went crazy on this joint. Freddie on the R&B track on the old school R&B track is golden man, he doesn't miss Fire. R&b track is golden man, he doesn't miss. He doesn't miss with these. I mean he's talking about forget the big three. He really want that smoke and it made me realize the conversation we had a few months ago was ahead of time. Shout out to us for being ahead of time, because other people are taking fragments of what we talk about and make shows out of it. Shout out to them as well. Thank you for the alley-oops. People are taking fragments of what we talk about and make shows out of it. Shout out to them as well. Thank you for the alley-oops.
Speaker 1:I'm not shouting them out, fuck them.
Speaker 2:You got to give them love, man.
Speaker 1:You can show love on your side.
Speaker 2:It's confused. Admiration it's confused admiration, that's what. Don said it's confused admiration, but not confused yeah it's confused, conf, confused admiration, that's what Don said.
Speaker 2:It's confused admiration, but, um, but no, it's confused. Yeah, it's confused, confused admiration, um, but Freddie, freddie went crazy on this and it made me realize y'all, y'all are right. I have to. I concede to it. You guys are right. Freddie should have been in the conversation at some point. Freddie probably should be in the conversation, more so than Big Sean was when Big Sean was part of that. Maybe that outside fourth man, because when I went back to listen to Freddie's stuff a little bit more, freddie's catalog is right there.
Speaker 3:with the time coming around. That's what I'm talking about Victory.
Speaker 1:AG. We're getting time stamps for this show, the time stamps for this moment, the moment Sean admits Freddie belongs.
Speaker 3:He showed Rick Ross some love. He showed Freddie some love. Do we got a Jay-Z segment where he can say something good about Jay?
Speaker 2:That's probably not going to happen. I won't, but we can get into that later, but pause.
Speaker 1:There you go. There you go, asking for Christ to come back. All right, you don't settle for Peter and Paul, okay.
Speaker 2:You guys are dead spot on, Because when I listened to this song I had to go back and listen to some other songs and he's smallest on R&B tracks.
Speaker 3:I need a whole album of that, bro, so hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:So hold on. So can we just sidebar real quick and go into something about the record. So this is one of the beautiful things about hip-hop, sean, and I'm glad that you're highlighting. And I think all three of us heard the same thing. Freddie and I realize this. Freddie comes from same place that the Jacksons come from. He comes from an old school Midwest R&B, soul and blues town. Freddie's on to something with these R&B samples. He sounds excellent on them. He needs to explore this pocket. It is rare that an artist is as great as he already is, is that has the catalog that he already has, that you're at this point in his career and you hear something from artists where you're like hold on. It's like I didn't know that your style fit with that cadence and that rhythm and that tempo, but when those worlds seem to mesh together it makes for excellent rap music.
Speaker 3:For those who don't know, the sample sample of this one is SWB's Anything.
Speaker 1:The Use your Heart joint yes, he needs to explore this pocket was really my takeaway from this song. It's that literally the producers. He need about 20 of these and you take the best five.
Speaker 3:Wait, he rapped over to. I thought that was Kendrick. Kendrick did the Use your Heart joint. Freddie got a joint over there too.
Speaker 1:I feel like Freddie did another SWV joint. I felt like hold on what was he did the Cupid joint.
Speaker 3:That was right. And then the Tony, Tony, Tony anniversary on the joint.
Speaker 2:But the Cupid joint was crazy, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:But he snapped on these records, guys. I remember when.
Speaker 3:Sean texted me when that Cupid joint was out with you. Only Die once came out. And then Sean texted me. Like yo, I see what y'all been talking about. It's pretty man, listen man.
Speaker 1:And while we're here, sean, we'd like to thank you for coming around, because we have been. No, no, no, we are so AG knows this. We are so tired of these commercialized guys Right that are getting Freddy's due. They don't rap like Freddy, they don't make songs like Freddy, they don't make albums like Freddy and people will just be acting like Freddy just some underground king and it's like. It's like no fam he's. He's arguably the best album maker of this era.
Speaker 3:I think people just don't like him. I think he suffered for the same thing that um rappers like T I like if people really didn't you know um Bob with their personality, like they wish T I, which TI is beloved in a lot of ways, but I just think the game is another one who has a stellar catalog that doesn't get the credit that they deserve. I just think a lot of things he does outside of the booth hinder his overall placement.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, but when I mean I don't know how to say this, guys I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I'm going to run this off in order for you. Piñata, bandana, alfredo Soul, soul Slept Early, you Only Die Once. Almost classic. Fuck how you feel about him. Did you just hear the five albums that I just ran off that he has released in succession?
Speaker 3:yeah the only one you didn't get in there is freddy, which I think is his weakest one, but it's pretty good for pinata, right I think it was after.
Speaker 1:I thought I think freddy's after I got put on the freddy after pinata. I didn't know about freddy till after pinata that's didn't know about Freddie until after Pinata.
Speaker 3:That's why I said it. I might be wrong, but it's still a solid album. But it's not as good as the rest of it.
Speaker 1:So Freddie's the only album on there of those six albums. It's not like a 4.25, guys, it's after. It's after.
Speaker 2:Pinata.
Speaker 1:Pinata Freddie, mandana, alfredo.
Speaker 3:And then you go back even further. You only live twice. You only live twice. That's a fire joint. You know what I'm saying you?
Speaker 1:only live twice. Got some shit on there. Yeah. Yeah, that's seven albums. That are at least probably fours. Freddie might be a three and a half. The rest of those are at least fours.
Speaker 3:Of the modern era. He is at the top of the list bro With a couple of fives.
Speaker 1:He got a couple of fives and a couple of 4.5 in the last decade.
Speaker 3:It ain't too many people rapping better than freddie man. That's a con of what it is.
Speaker 2:I can't argue it. I can't argue it. I would have argued a couple of months ago, but I can't argue today.
Speaker 1:No, how about this? He's been he. He officially is at that level to me as an artist where you, if you're a hip-hop fan, should be genuinely excited when he's dropping a project because his resume says that he's going to deliver. How about this? And I've said this to me in a lot of ways he is the modern-day Scarface to me.
Speaker 1:He hasn't missed he doesn't miss album the content of the subject matter probably hurt some of his uh trajectory in terms of notoriety consistently great, um, underrated beat picker, underrated storyteller, like like all the things. Like like consistently makes great projects. In a lot of ways, he is the modern day scarface to me, and also modern day scarface from the sense that it's like oh, I don't care when he coming out or how he coming out.
Speaker 1:When he coming out, right there, right there, because he deserves that, he deserves people to be like front and center when he drops a project, because he puts together a full project like so so separately so so separately in any other, in probably any other year outside of the year that it came out, probably would have been album of the year 83 was too strong, but so, so separately the deluxe version was crazy.
Speaker 3:But and people gonna think this is, like you know, sacrilegious to even say this but the pocket that freddie gets in on these r&b I don't know if you call them like you know, I guess full r&b loops. You know I'm saying, but not, they're really, they're not doing too much with the R&B tracks. You know what I'm saying. They're not messing with them too much, he's just blowing over them and, like you said, that collision course of his style, coop, the pocket that he gets in on these R&B tracks is like Nas, and people are going to say it's sacrilegious to say this. But Nas, when he gets on a breakbeat, like I mean, it's like yeah, the perfect.
Speaker 1:It's like Jay-Z over a Diana Ross or fucking Angela Wimbush.
Speaker 3:Angela Wimbush. Yeah, there you go, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like certain people have pockets. When you hear them over that shit, it's like no, if you stay right there, you'll win. You know, that's what I'm saying. Here's the thing about it. You usually find these things out about your emcees early. It is so rare to hear somebody that we're acquainted with Freddie already, and so to hear this pocket from him at this stage in his career is almost like damn Scary. You really haven't been getting enough credit. What up, Jarv?
Speaker 3:It's scary. It's scary for real it's scary for real. We get an album with 10 to 12 of those.
Speaker 1:My god that's what I said. I don't even need 10 to 12 of those. Get 20 of those loops. Keep the 5 best records. The first at your you know, do it how you want what we got Steel Bangles. One day it'll make sense. First at your you know. You know, do it how you want it. We got Steel Bangles. One Day It'll Make Sense. Short EP affiliated with Mass Appeal. Got the Nas feature on there. Yeah, what do we think about the project guys? What were your thoughts about the project Sagey?
Speaker 3:I mean it's some smooth music. Not overall, not really my cup of tea. This is more of a compilation record. Steel Bangles is a producer and a DJ from London, signed to Massville, india, and he has a lot of artists on this EP, but I've only listened to the project once. But you know some smooth ride music. The one with Nas nas, though, I've had on repeat like this is the first nas verse we've gotten in 2025, you know, and it's typical nas. You know I'm saying over this bpm poignant verse, super dope. But to me the highlight of the track is the guy singing the hook. I don't want to mispronounce his name. It's um, uh, what's his name? It's called sid um sriram. Is that how you pronounce it? Sorry if I'm butchering his name? It's what's his name? It's called Sid Sriram. Is that how you pronounce it? Sorry if I'm butchering his name, but yo, he killed the hook on here. Man, like that's the Nas versus fire. But to me the hook was the highlight of the record. Man, it was dope.
Speaker 1:When I heard the project that I immediately thought to myself they didn't make this for old niggas like me. I'm sending this to my daughter. That's exactly what I did. As soon as I sent it to her, she said what is this? I said it's some new shit. I said you love this shit, don't you? She said it's banging. That's what I think. I think that the hip-hop world that we grew up in and the hip hop world that my daughter exists in, oh no, this fits into her pocket, more to our pocket. But I knew that when I heard it. Um, I actually enjoyed the project. Overall. I found the production to be top tier. It gave me some uh, dj Khaled UK vibes to it in terms of how he mixed, matched and pieced together Thought. The production was stellar, slightly repetitive the Nas versus Stellar. Saying the Nas versus Stellar is literally like asking questions that Ghostface asked on Force Chamber why is the sky blue?
Speaker 2:Why did Judas?
Speaker 1:grab the Romans while Jesus left.
Speaker 3:One of the best verses of all time.
Speaker 1:People are like man, it's a great verse from Noss. No shit, what exactly did you think was going to happen as opposed to what could have happened? Let's start weighing it on the scale. It's like well, there's probably like a 75% to 85% chance that the verse is going to be great.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I'm going to push back on that Coop, because a lot of times when rappers of Nas' caliber get on artists like this that's not as well-known in our sphere, they'll phone it in. Sometimes you know what I'm saying, but this is mass appeal with mass appeal, Nas is you?
Speaker 1:know what I'm saying ahead of mass appeal A couple things.
Speaker 3:Mass appeal Right so he's not going to phone it in. So yes, it is a Nas-Stella verse, which is like he don't put out no BS.
Speaker 1:Like he's been on fire for the last five years. Well, the last time that he phoned anything in is when Kanye's punk ass had him rapping in the backseat of a car that was nine years ago, right.
Speaker 3:We heard an echo right after that and we heard what it sounded like when he didn't phone it in.
Speaker 1:That's the last time something got phoned in it's been almost a decade since the first guy phoned in.
Speaker 3:Don't ever get caught phoning it in from the backseat of a car.
Speaker 1:That's wild it's wild that you would ask that man to do that. It's crazy. It's even crazier that he actually did it for you. That means he actually likes your ass. I would have been like.
Speaker 2:So this is where I say fuck you right, get me out of here, right aboard mission. This is me hitting the eject button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this motherfucker's crazy right. Go, go, go, gadget. The fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:Click now 2019.
Speaker 1:Kanye looks same yeah, wow anyway so in news, drake made a long-ass statement. Somebody read the long-ass statement. It's a long-ass statement.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, I got it right here, I'll read it. It sounds like an Aubrey breakup letter. It says you know, I grew up non-confrontational and always treated this game as a sport where my pen won gold, but my these days the podium has been hard for all of us to ignore. I understand that this next chapter may leave you feeling uneasy, but I hope you see my honesty as clarity, not charity. That answers some questions, especially about the unanswered texts you've been sending you read it like.
Speaker 2:You read it in that fashion, which is crazy no, no, no, what's crazy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Here's what's crazy. What you just read is crazy. What the fuck was that?
Speaker 3:what the fuck?
Speaker 1:I don't know what Burl's talking about, man, I don't know if I had, first of all, if you would have given me my jacket, my leather jacket. This would be the point in the movie that I get home and I burn the coat. That's right, frank Lucas, burn the coat. Those are my thoughts. It's like if I had an OVO coat, I would burn the coat. Right now I would burn the coat. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of red flags, though. What are you talking about? It's a lot of red flags though.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? No, no, no. This is giving Jay-Z after Ether. All right, that's what it's giving. It's giving Jay-Z after Ether. It'd be worse.
Speaker 3:I don't like him saying I mean granted by the.
Speaker 1:It sounds like the Frank Ocean coming out letter, Like what the fuck is this? Or like what are you doing? Yeah, but that's crazy, that was crazy.
Speaker 3:What is it what I will say? Drake, by like normal standards, might be non-confrontational because he's very collaborative, but he does like to provoke niggas. Let's be for real one, and I don't like it where he said I always treated this game as a sport, where my pen won gold. Bro, your pen has been in question for the last like what? Seven, eight years.
Speaker 1:I don't know. All I know is, if you keep this shit up, I'm going to start listing the records and start off by saying it you can't have ghostwriters and say your pin won gold on the podium.
Speaker 3:You can't do that, can you?
Speaker 2:You can't say that you can't say that right. He's spiraling to the point where it's already been corny and now you're doing this. You're overdoing it. At this point you got to sit down, you got to leave it alone. Like, just put out music. We don't want to see tweets, no more.
Speaker 1:I bet he said that. He said he was going to make you feel uneasy, yes. First of all, hold on real quick Mad.
Speaker 2:Max Max in the building.
Speaker 1:I'm not, no, no, no, listen. I'm not Mad Max. I'm not slandering Frank Ocean. You remember that punk-ass letter? You don't want to read that long-ass diatribe? Get your ass on YouTube and make a 30-second statement. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2:Cause I love that song man, that song he had, and when he wrote that letter I was like yo. I can't listen to this song no more because he's talking about Yo man All right. Don't get us. I should have known. I'm like yo, dude's like yo, you with a new feel. I'm like yo.
Speaker 3:Just say pause and move on. You'll get us demonetized. But anyway, yeah, this is kind of wild man and who's been sending them texts they even leaving on read. I don't know what the hell he's talking about.
Speaker 1:Is he talking?
Speaker 3:about a girl.
Speaker 1:Is he talking about a guy?
Speaker 2:Both. He's talking about both, so it is just like the Frank.
Speaker 1:Ocean letter for defense ref.
Speaker 2:This is Dre. He got to stop, is he?
Speaker 3:talking about somebody in the industry that he was cool with at once Joe Kanye, like whatever, Like I doubt Kendrick is texting him like that. Who is he talking?
Speaker 2:to Kendrick might be texting him. I've heard Kendrick is a texter is he talking to Kendrick?
Speaker 3:might be texting him. I've heard Kendrick is a texter. I've heard he's a texter. I've heard he's a texter. Oh man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Kendrick's sending boogeyman selfies. Definitely not making any money off this episode whatsoever after this. I'm pretty certain. All right, so any final thoughts off this episode whatsoever after this segment? I'm pretty certain. Just took all that off the board, Alright, so any final thoughts about this statement? Statement sucks. Yay or nay on the statement.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know if this is a rollout to his new album, but if so, bro, just stop talking and put out music.
Speaker 1:Isn't he re-rolling out the P&D album just like who knows what they're doing? This is just all very convoluted for me At this point. You want to know, I never thought I would say this. I'm too old for this shit, drake.
Speaker 2:Get off my lawn.
Speaker 1:Get off my lawn. Get off my lawn, get off my lawn and don't come back until you got some new shit.
Speaker 3:But it's the same thing you did early on before the.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying the beat off a year ago like he was making, um you know, ig posts like this man.
Speaker 2:Anna may fought back harder than this.
Speaker 1:No, no, she did actually moving, moving on don't know what else to tell you don't know what else to tell you, all right, so, um, it appears that you know, during the LA Lakers game last week, in between quarters, that LeBron James you know, the most famous basketball player on Earth, one of the most famous people on Earth approached ESPN frontman Stephen A Smith and had some less than stellar things to say to Stephen A Smith and had some less than stellar things to say to Stephen A about Stephen A's commentary about his son, and issued some communicable threats to Stephen A about what he should and should not do involving his son. What are you guys' thoughts about this, in terms of an athlete the stature of LeBron, who is essentially the figurehead in his sport, stepping to Stephen A, who is the figurehead in the media that is wild, in public front row at a Lakers game for public consumption, knowing that, quite frankly, to quote the late Greg Tupac, that all eyes were going to be on them?
Speaker 3:You should see him looking around at the cameras after this. The cameras.
Speaker 1:Who, which one? Both of them, probably both of them. Lebron, you can see him looking at them seeing if the cameras was catching it when he did it. Definitely a planned chin check. It was definitely a playing chin check. Definitely was an ambush, a blitzkrieg.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say this man, you want to go first. Sean, no boy, please, please. I see it from both sides. I'm a father of two children, you know, and it's easy to get defensive over your kids, but I don't like it. Like for one was. It was planned, as you can see. Once he saw him it was on site. I'm gonna go up and talk to him.
Speaker 3:I hope everybody gets this to know that I'm standing up for my son. What have you? Um, a lot of it. Lebron could be a diva. A lot of stuff he does can be for show, can be for the cameras.
Speaker 3:Um, but even in the fact that you say you're defending your child, right, if you have a kid, just for us, normal folk that have you know that are not, you know, megastars or whatever you have a kid that's in school or whatever they're getting bullied, are you going to like, go up to the school and go up to the bully at the lunch table in front of God and everybody else and say don't be bullying my baby and all this other stuff, this hell. No, if you're a good parent, you won't do that because that puts a big ass target on your kids back, right? So I don't agree with LeBron, because LeBron is kind of proven Stephen A's point in all this. In my opinion, by doing that, he could have hit him on the side like yo. I don't like what you said or whatever, but I think the point that a lot of people are missing in this whole coverage of this Stephen A didn't say anything bad about Bronny. He was talking about the position, the compromising positions that his father was putting him in. So he was saying like hey, if you want to do right by your son, stop doing what you're doing. He didn't say nothing bad about Bronny. For LeBron to get pissed off like yo that's my effing son. Like whatever, like you know, of course, nobody wants to be told how to parent. I get that, but I just don't like the fact that LeBron keeps putting Bronny in these situations and then ends up having to get him out of these situations that he put him in.
Speaker 3:Like LeBron is the one that said that Bronny was better than half of the NBA. He got him called up to the league, got him drafted, got him playing when he should be back in the g league like steven, they said. And now you got to defend this because you created this monster and then people are coming back saying like yo, but why is he getting so much criticism as a 55 overall pick? Well, he's getting the praise too, because the one bucket that he did score I saw that shit on sports center all day long the day he did score. I saw that shit on SportsCenter all day long the day he did score two points who else you know scored a two-point bucket? And they ran that on SportsCenter all day long. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:A lot of stuff, even the King. I love King Griffey Jr. Like now I'm finding out that LeBron flew King Griffey and his dad to be at the game where they had that moment and it wasn't a natural thing. Like a lot of this stuff is contrived, bro. Like you know what I'm saying, it's very contrived and it's nasty work. You know what I mean. So it is not to hate on LeBron, but as a parent dog, like he got to stop putting Bronny in these situations and just let Bronny live, because you got to let him be his own man. You can't come to his defense in every situation and now you're making it look like he's above reproach, above criticism or whatever, because LeBron himself he's the most criticized athlete ever and he doesn't deal with criticism Self-inflicted.
Speaker 3:Some of that is self-inflicted. Yeah, he's projecting, like this comment, that Drake did that. Lebron is known for doing that a lot.
Speaker 1:Frequently. Let's get to a few super chats. Right, quick, sean, and then you can jump in, if that's cool. Absolutely, kenny Castro flute sold separately. Okay, told you the band, that's a good one, that's a good one, you like that? Yeah, yeah, kenny, definitely blocking your ass when the show is over. Kenny Double barrel. Nah, you don't plead with me as a father F that. Okay, mad Max Pressing Stephen A Smith does. What, though? Tell Bron, I said it's a dookie bar, like son from the wire. If he stepped to me about it, he gonna end up in a vacant that look, corny and steven a smith, don't talk, don't talk tough after right.
Speaker 3:And that's corny too. Steven, a need to stop doing that too, because if you ain't said when he was right there in front of you didn't know it was going to pot and say it or it up big facts sean, what are your thoughts about the dichotomy of, like all the things that involve this, because I feel like there are a myriad of things going on here.
Speaker 2:Yes, I want you to be as brief as possible. As a father of a daughter, 13-year-old daughter, who's getting into basketball now, I can certainly understand the anxiety that comes with that. You know critique, you know wanting your daughter, your kid, to do well, you know me being a former basketball player certainly nowhere close to bronze status in no capacity at all, but just me having anxiety of seeing her play on the court and I'm like damn, I wish I was there to kind of like jump in her body, falls and just, you know, get her to do things that I would do in that in those moments. So, as a father, I can understand that connection because you don't want anyone to over critique your kid based on what you don't want anyone to over-critique your kid based on what you don't want your kid to be exposed to. But at the same time you got your kid in the NBA. He's not above criticism. And this all was fashioned in my opinion was fashioned for LeBron, because he wanted the additional accolades that came with playing with your son, having your son on, like you say, he flew out of King Griffey Jr and his father to come out there and watch them play. So it could be some connective tissue there and he's the only NBA player that played with his son and all of these things, and it became to.
Speaker 2:We got to a point where we know Bronny shouldn't be out there. We know that it's not, it's not, it's not a secret. We know that it's not, it's not, it's not a secret. But the dichotomy to that is the fact that you got Stephen A, who has been critical of that entire process, but not overcritical. He's been very measured, if you will, when it came to his critique on that situation itself. Not only that, the fact that Braun came in the middle of the game to try to check him while you know, while he noticed all this crowding around, and you know cameras are around.
Speaker 2:Are you doing that for Bronny or are you doing it for yourself? Because then you heard him say something to Richard Jefferson when he was talking about you know he shouldn't say that about me, so never. What is really about Bronny? He made it about you to put Stephen A on blast because you know this is going to get traction. Now the prop move to put Stephen A on blast because he wanted to get traction. Now the flip side to that is Stephen A taking this and running with it. Now he's dressing in all black. Death row, look, death row, look. He's going to all these places.
Speaker 1:Not death row.
Speaker 2:He's Queens, get the Money. Look at him, man, looking goofy. But he's out here now gallivanting and now he has a lot to say about it. But he didn't have anything to say in the moment. But I can understand he was shocked in the moment, probably because he was like, oh, this guy just pulled up on me and was like yo, keep my Yo 6'9" dude looking down on you like Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:And Stephen A, not a short dude, stephen A about 6'2. Yeah, yeah, he's not a small guy.
Speaker 2:I mean, he's not a short guy. Yeah, so I would have scooped a slammer. If that was me who would have killed my face, I would have scooped a slammer man. Go deal with the you know consequences later.
Speaker 1:I'm definitely gonna go Tonya Harden on him and hit him with a lead pipe in the knee and take him out you'd be in them stands.
Speaker 3:Stephen know all our injuries and ailments that LeBron got. I'm going straight for one of those, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, lebron is a retired man. He needs to be.
Speaker 1:I think there are a few things going on here. First of all, I'd like to say at the height of the beef, they started Death Row East. So I'm expecting some Death Row East t-shirts Come out very, very soon. Expecting some Death Row East t-shirts soon. Who banging on the Lakers from Queens? But let's unpack a couple of things seriously.
Speaker 1:First of all, I'm a parent and I'm the worst type of parent, Like my daughter hides things from me because she knows when it comes to her, it's just whoop, a nigga ass on sight. I don't really care If you're bullying my kid. No, I'm not going to come up to the school and bully your kid. I'm going to find a parent. I'm going to whoop their ass, probably in front of people. I'm that parent. I literally told my daughter one time when she was actually having a bullying issue. I said no, she's like are you going to come to the school? I said no, no, no. I said I'm about to ride around the neighborhood and find out where their parents live. I said I'm about to go fuck them up and I meant that shit and I went looking too. So I'm that kind of parent and so I get it. When you love your kid. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Here's something that LeBron needs to learn, that I had to learn. What's for you may not be for your kid, Stephen A Smith has actually been more than patient and kind to you, because here's the reality of the matter. Your kid was a high school freshman who had a heart condition and almost died on the court. Just him being here is a blessing. Now, when he comes back, he averages roughly four or five points a game. That is not enough to draw the ire of NBA scouts.
Speaker 1:Draymond Green was the 38th pick in the second round. He was the Big Ten player of the year. You feel what I'm saying? Your son has gotten a path that very few people have gotten, especially in the black community. Listen to this Stephen A actually been giving you a pass, because very few black people have had the clout, the cachet, to be able to walk their son into something as prestigious as the NBA the way LeBron just did, and that just what happened. But also, too, the job of a journalist is to provide fair and unbiased critique, and this is what I mean about Stephen A being nice AG. Sean, let's keep it real. He's not even ready for the G League yet.
Speaker 1:He's not, it's not even ready for the G League yet he's not. It's not like he was at USC. He wasn't in the SEC that we're seeing this year. He's not with a traditional ACC team power. He was in USC. Usc is known more for their history of women's basketball players, a la Cheryl Miller, than their men's team in Juju right now. So he wasn't at a prestigious men's institution. He wasn't even the best player on that team. No Right, most of the people coming out of the Pac-12 right now that are the best players on their team aren't getting drafted, right. Yeah, that's, a lot of people could have had that spot, and so he is extremely fortunate. He does not deserve to be in the NBA or in the G League. And here's where LeBron is really at fault.
Speaker 1:Listen to what I'm about to say. Nigga, you ain't nowhere near retiring the nerve of you rushing this process, knowing your old ass ain't going nowhere. You got a lot of nerve rushing this process and then screaming on this man in front of everybody when you're not going anywhere. Sean ag, have you been watching lebron play basketball? He's not going anywhere. He's like this should be brawny sophomore year of college right now. Yeah, he should be averaging about 10 to 15 points and showing pro scouts if he's ready and if not, waiting one more year and guess who's still gonna be playing in the nba next year? Yo daddy, who's been sitting up here turning up on everybody about you, when the reality of the matter is, is that we need to be turning up on him? You rushed this whole process instead of letting your son actually develop into an NBA product and talent. You got it.
Speaker 2:This is your fault.
Speaker 1:No, we get on the AAU teams and the schools and all the money and all the NIL and all this, that and the other. Here is a man that literally rushed his kid's process, just so he can say I played an NBA son with my game. You may have just ruined his whole shot at having a legitimate NBA career, just so you can say that you played a game with him and your black ass is not retiring.
Speaker 3:That's the bullseye, Coop. You said it right there, Just so he could say that I played with my son because let's keep it a thousand LeBron is doing all that and you brought up the heart condition with him when that shouldn't have rushed him to the NBA because he might have needed more recovery, or what have you. Here's the thing, Coop, and you said it. Lebron did this, so he could say that. Because, in the grand scheme of things, this does nothing for Bronny. If nothing, it adds to LeBron's legacy, because LeBron knows that when you look at my career, you can say well, he had the longevity, so you know he played at a high level for so long he was able to still play on a team with his teenage son when he got in the league. Because years from now, we're not going to remember Bronny's stats or what he did or what he didn't do. All we're going to know is that he played with his father. But that speaks more to LeBron's greatness than if whether if Bronny is ready or not. But how about this?
Speaker 1:What if he would have actually gotten two more years of professional college ball and help and maybe worked himself into a late first round, early second round draft pick and then, when his father is probably about to retire in a couple of years, actually then play with him draft pick and then, when his father is probably about to retire in a couple of years, actually then play with him.
Speaker 1:Then he ruined his son's career and now he's screaming on somebody. Man, you ain't about to, you ain't about to pull up on me and score courtside and scream on me. I don't give a fuck if you a la laker, la faker. Six, nine, five, nine. You about, you about to get. Let me introduce you to a couple things. It's called 3845FN57. Listen.
Speaker 3:I'll answer that question for you because you asking LeBron to be patient and wait for that to take place, he didn't want to risk that. This is the same person who left Cleveland to go to Miami to form a super team, when you could have said, okay, stick around and wait for Cleveland to be patient, to get better and get better, which you know what I'm saying. Whatever, he rushed the situation for what it could do for him to advance him further. Let's just call it what it is. I got one question before we move on.
Speaker 1:How does this look to the media? Mike's kids were better. Mike's kids were better, both of them.
Speaker 3:Both of Mike's kids were better.
Speaker 1:Watch Mike's kids play.
Speaker 3:But, marcus, putting the Lambo on the train tracks right now is keyed up.
Speaker 1:Now he was entitled to. They had the body cam footage.
Speaker 3:You said I'm Michael Jordan's son. They was like who.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty certain he put a kilo of cocaine on the train tracks and sniffed it, Bro said with a straight face.
Speaker 3:I'm in no way inebriated. I could drive. Your Lambo is on the tracks. My guy Like no, you cannot drive. But let me ask y'all this If LeVar Ball does that in defense of like LaMelo or anything like that, what is the media saying about him? Versus lebron gets a pass for how he rode up on steven a, because I know, first of all, we're killing lavar.
Speaker 1:you know I'm saying kids that can play. Lavar actually called this shot right when lonzo was coming out. Lonzo was like lavar was literally telling people his youngest brother gonna be better than him. And he was right. Levar actually had pro-talented kids, no like. Lonzo Ball like people forget Lonzo Ball. Before these injuries and stuff, oh no, he was moving into all-star point guard level play. Lamelo is an all-star Like LaVar, got sons that can play NBA basketball. Two of his sons Like those—Lonzo and LaMelo deserve to be in the NBA Right.
Speaker 3:And Jello deserves to be at Def Jam.
Speaker 1:When both of them—yes, he deserves to be at Def Jam, because Def Jam fucking sucks. That's why he deserves to be at Def Jam. You deserve what you put out of me. You fucking suck and your label fucking sucks. You all deserve each other, whoa.
Speaker 3:Sucks. But yeah, man, I just don't, I'm not sparing anybody in 2025. I don't have time for this shit, yeah people only get outraged what they you know what I'm saying. They pick and choose what they get outraged about how LeVar Ball was moving, how you know Sean, you know T Morant, you know what I'm saying. So it's like how they move gets hated on a lot and LeBron's getting a lot of passes in the media for how he handled this situation or whatever.
Speaker 2:This is more about LeBron's legacy than it is about LeBron's gameplay. This is another notch in his legacy to say that he was the first NBA player to have his son play basketball with him.
Speaker 3:That doesn't help your legacy, then that don't make you the GOAT.
Speaker 2:But it's all about right now how you did that invisible resume. This is part of that invisible resume.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know, he does a good job of not showing his ego. This is one of those times where it's like he couldn't hide his ego. Couldn't hide, it, couldn't hide it. He couldn't hide it, because now he's His want Like how about this Desperation? No, it's not. You know. Here's a part of LeBron we never talk about in relationship. Like people understand, mike was media savvy. Mike's a country boy from Wilmington, north Carolina. Mike don't like the attention, lebron likes the attention guys.
Speaker 3:He likes the attention. Right, that's exactly attention guys. He likes the attention.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I was thinking too, AG.
Speaker 2:I'm just not even going to say it like that, because it ain't like that but it's like oh no, you are the dude, you do be the dude, you are the dude.
Speaker 1:You are dancing in all the videos.
Speaker 3:You are dancing in all the videos. Watch the video again. He's looking around to see if the camera is catching it.
Speaker 1:That is you in the video saying take that, take that. That is you. You do love the attention, you know you do. And so that part of him that loves the attention it showed itself and it's funny, like you know. It's kind of, like you know, like most great men, his love for his children is his Achilles heel and it's showing his weakness in his love for his children, like his weaknesses are shown, he thinks that it's a strength and he actually thinks that he did something. By what he did to Stephen A Smith. It's like no, fam, you didn't do nothing. You're just showing that you're an egomaniac and your ego is a little bit more out of control than we realize, because your team and you have done such a good job of suppressing that diva that you really are to the public, but if you're Bronny, you're sick.
Speaker 3:You really think Bronny went up to him after that and said thanks, dad, yeah.
Speaker 2:He probably be like appreciate you, thank you dad?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. If I put myself in Bronny's shoes, I think I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2:No, because remember, he tweeted. He tweeted something about that situation, did he?
Speaker 3:Yeah, nah, lebron got into his account.
Speaker 2:Look here. Look here, If I'm Bronny.
Speaker 1:Bronny, take advantage of the amenities. Find you some IG models? Slide in a DM.
Speaker 3:Say you can fuck with a ball player. Tonight you can fuck.
Speaker 1:NBA ball player tonight. You can fuck a James tonight. Yeah, that's what Thomas really do. He do he's hoes.
Speaker 3:Let's keep it real. Speaking of which, he probably mad he on the same team with his pops, because pops probably blocking on the road. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Definitely play a Hayden. Definitely play a Hayden.
Speaker 3:Nah play a Hayden Nah Brody. Come on the show. You're in a safe space. Tell your truth. Yeah, we got.
Speaker 2:you Tell your truth.
Speaker 1:He probably like you need to work on your game. He probably like you need to stop texting women other than my mama. Nigga, stay out of my business. Sorry, that's more cool.
Speaker 2:That's more cool.
Speaker 1:That's all cool Ron. I don't give a fuck. Look here, I talked to Kobe once. I don't give a fuck, he ain't safe, ain't nobody safe? Kobe wasn't safe. I talked to Kobe in Orange County, california, when Kobe was Kobe. Nobody is safe, no one is above criticism.
Speaker 2:No one is above criticism no one is above criticism and I want to ask you guys this, because kind of transitioning over to just from the way we critique fans and those in the media, like we are, we critique artists. Are we over-critiquing them or are we giving our real assessment from our viewpoint, from our lens? Is there a place where you can over-critique someone in their body of work?
Speaker 1:Yes, I think you need to be careful about what you call yourself if you do that. That's why, even for the critique and the criticism that I've had for Kendrick, I try to circle back around with actual facts. That's why, even for the critique and the criticism that I've had for Kendrick, I try to circle back around with actual facts. That's why it's like I'd be like oh see, see, that album did suck. Because you like this album and this album is good, because I want you to understand that that wasn't me being personal. My actual critique was that it sucked and nobody wanted to admit that it sucked. But it can come off like it's personal, like I have a bias and I can understand that part of it, and really what happens is that our biases start to show. Here's where my bias starts to show when it comes to Kendrick.
Speaker 1:When it comes to Kendrick, oh no, I very much thought that he was on a trajectory To be a top five, all time great MC and then he stopped and then he dropped a whack ass album and I was very displeased with that Because I had, as a journalist, written an article in 2016. Saying this guy is damn near top ten right now and I have not liked the trajectory of it pretty much until this past year, and so my bias might be that, journalistically, I wrote something nine years ago. I did not feel like the artist was holding up their end of the bargain and so, if you want to call me biased based on something that I wrote, holding him so high and me feeling like that, I didn't like, don't sit up there and tell me that I'm taking the shit personally. It's like I'm actually only taking the shit personally in relationship to some shit that I wrote.
Speaker 3:I'm taking what I wrote personally about him like you was upset with yourself for being wrong in that moment correct.
Speaker 1:I'm more upset with myself than I am with him. I want to be. I want to be right, which means I wanted mr morale and the I want to be right, which means I wanted Mr Morale and the Big Steppers to be better than all of y'all did, because it would have submitted my article as a journalist, because I would have been able to pull up and say, oh no see, this motherfucker took five years off, but he's still that guy that I was talking about in this article five years ago, which is why I wrote the article, thinking that he was capable of something like that. That's where my bias lies. My bias don't lie in the fact that I got something personal against him, but we all have our biases.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you something that I saw when Griselda was really like peaking. Out here, a lot of people were doing pods and a lot of black men our age were taking issue with them, calling out young boys as shooters. You know what I'm saying and it's like oh no, that's your trauma from your hood experience. This is entertainment. These niggas are not actively hiring niggas to go shoot. You want to know why? Because I'm seeing them on stage with niggas every night, performing, making money on Instagram, like literally all the time.
Speaker 1:This is when they were grinding, grinding and doing shows like almost every night, and so I saw bias from people that were trying to make a name for themselves based on their trauma from what they had seen in our community and projecting that onto Griselda's music and spending. I literally watched the guy one time spend more time highlighting the fact that they were talking about the young boys and shooters than actually reviewing the project and talking about the music. That's a bias. Saying somebody's shit sucks is not a bias. Saying that your kid can't play basketball is not a bias. It might just be what it is. Mr Moran on the Big Steppers is not a good album. Bronny is not a NBA ready basketball player. These are not biases. These are critiques that journalists are supposed to give Unbiasedly. If your kid can't play, your kid can't play. If the album fucking sucks, the album fucking sucks.
Speaker 3:Stop making it personal because stop making it personal for the journalist because you didn't hold up your end of the bargain yeah, and that's the problem that's caused with all this coop because, like you said, now that he's approached stephen a smith, like if somebody has those same sentiments, then they're going to question themselves if they should. Even well, espn might have everybody bought anyway, where they can only say certain things but still yet they don't feel like they could tell you know what they see as the truth is factual, because there'll be repercussions behind that.
Speaker 1:How about this? Instead of stepping to Stephen A Smith, why don't you spend that time working on your son's first step? He's 6'2". People who are 6'2 in the NBA. They have to use their speed and their quickness. He doesn't seem to have an explosive first step. That's what great guards have. If you want to take their critique. It's like you shouldn't really be stepping to Stephen A Smith. You should be working with your son on his game. You are the second greatest basketball player that ever lived, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:But that ego.
Speaker 2:He thinks that's disrespect, saying he's the second best out of everybody who ever played because they're working so hard to be ahead of jordan that they're losing the sight of everything that's around them.
Speaker 1:That's just how it's always been, and that's why he's trying to win what? Here's what it is, michael Michael Jordan has won the electoral college vote and he keeps trying to win the popular vote. And it's like that's not enough to get you elected, nigga, ask Hillary and Kamala and whatever Democrat that keep getting their ass whooped. Yeah, that popular vote, shit ain't enough. You know what you need, nigga? You need rings. You're four-6.
Speaker 3:The rings and things you sing about. Bring them out.
Speaker 1:You're 4-6. You're 4-6. He's 6-0. Nobody gives a shit about your son making it to the league when you're 4-6 versus he's 6-0. You're trying to add stuff into the argument when the thing, man, you need to make the main thing, the main thing. You average less than a point in the fourth quarter against dallas for four straight games. That's what the thing is.
Speaker 3:Your son making it to the league was never the thing for us and somebody just need to tell his ass, you know, like nigga, that ain't it yeah, not to answer your question too, sean, about do we critique artists too hard, I think you know like I would say yes too, because for me, at the end of the day, I'm just a fan of this man, I think, once you you know we come in here every week and we talk about music. But I think that it's like it becomes too much when you go from a fan critiquing music to a critic, a self-proclaimed critic, critiquing music. You know I'm saying you're not a fan of it anymore. You're just listening to stuff to kind of like, you know, pick out certain things or whatever, give a critique, you stop, you're not a fan anymore, so nothing will ever grab you or make you gravitate to it because you're not going into it with that earnest approach that you did when you was a fan of the certain art. You know what I mean, and at some point or another all three of us have rapped, all three of us have performed or whatever.
Speaker 3:I think to properly critique something you have to at least have done it on some level and tried your hand at it to be able to critique somebody else at it. You know you don't have to be as good as that person per se, but I think you at least have to know what you're critiquing. You know what I mean. That's why I have a problem with you know analytics guys that never played hoop or something like that that want, like you know, talk about. You know how somebody's playing in um in the game of basketball.
Speaker 3:Steven a's played on some level. You know I'm saying so. He knows the game of basketball and he has a right to critique it. Is he lebron james? Hell, no, but he is very familiar and very knowledgeable about the game, so I think that he has a right to do so. But I think when that line gets blurred between you, when you're a fan of whatever art form to your self-proclaimed critic and that's what you like, hang your hat on I think that's where it gets dangerous. You know what I mean, because you'll never really give something that earnest approach you would as a fan of whatever art it is that you're giving your opinion on.
Speaker 2:No doubt we got a bunch of super chats. We appreciate the super chat. We appreciate the love in the chat. It's great that we don't have bots in the chat because we can communicate with you all and get real information in real time. Shout out to the real people in the chat and not the bots that we had.
Speaker 1:Where the super chat's at Pull them up.
Speaker 2:Let me see, here we go.
Speaker 1:Mad.
Speaker 2:Max.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Max is a bot. Stephen A Smith does what Tell him? I said no, no, no, we read that one. Sean Did that one.
Speaker 2:Here we go, more Mad Max. We read that one.
Speaker 1:Sean Did that one. Here we go. More Mad Max. Where was that? Hold on Mad Max. Stephen A Smith was on Guillory like Martin when he lost his. I'm not reading Mad Max. Shit, Mad Max is wild Mad Max is wild.
Speaker 3:Sean had the graphic of that Max. Yeah, Mad Max is wild. Sean had the graphic of Mad Max. Yeah, we know.
Speaker 1:He said Queen soft as charm and we might have to bring KRS back out. Okay, let's not take shots at Queens. All right, we're not starting no turf war up here on Hip Hop Talks, all right. Jj Designs, ji Designs what's up? Y'all Thoughts on Dolce's latest songs and comments. Actually, andrew and I actually did a full episode on Mirror Music that was released on Tuesday, where we actually gave a review of Alligator Bites, never Heal, which won Best Rap Album for Grammy, and reviewed the two songs that she's featuring right now Anxiety, and the other one is skipping me right now, but check it out on Mirror Music full content and breakdown. That's what we got all the things for. So shout out to Mirror Music, andrew. Like, share, subscribe. Ji Designs All right, andre Shashir what up?
Speaker 1:Dre? Dre is one of the OGs. Dre has literally been following me on podcasts for the entire five years that I've been on podcasts. Andre Shashir was following me when I was still doing Facebook and IG lives, before I was even on YouTube. This week makes my fifth year doing podcasts. Shout out to Andre. Used to be a huge Bron fan, but he's a diva now. Always been a diva, it's just harder to hide it. Always been a diva, it's just harder to hide it. See, this is why Big said keep your family and business completely separated. Money and blood don't mix like two dicks. Find yourself in serious because it brings out the emotional side of you, your vulnerabilities and weaknesses, showing.
Speaker 3:It's like an exposed nerve.
Speaker 1:He bought his son into his business world. It's an exposed nerve. It's like that scene in the Godfather where he's talking to the guy and Sonny is talking and he cuts him off. He's like, oh, you know my kids, they got this shit. They talk when they should listen. You know what I'm saying. I've spoiled these motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? That moment of vulnerability is what got his ass shot. You feel me? Yeah, that's how it is when you bring your kids into the fray. These things LeBron is going through are self-inflicted wounds. He don't need to be screaming at nobody. Yeah, he's just larger than life, so don't nobody want to check his ass. Facts, that's all it is. He's larger than life, so nobody wants to check him. The foundation of what he's built, everything's built off of him. He's made everybody multi millionaires around him. Who's going to tell this nigga? No Cool.
Speaker 3:Double barrel. Ag likes KRS-One more than he liked braun. That's not saying no, that's. That's not true. I ran, I rate braun either second or third, all time behind mike and kobe. You know I'm saying I might put braun third on one day, second on another day, but krsOne doesn't crack my top 10, so that would be false dub. I do not like KRS-One more than I like LeBron.
Speaker 1:Okay, lebron's been to 10 finals in 22 years, right, right. Yeah, magic went to 8 in his first 10, so even when people be putting him ahead of Magic, I'd be kind of looking Dingle 9 in 13 years, 9 finals in a 13, when people be putting him ahead of Magic.
Speaker 3:I'd be kind of looking Dingle Dingle, Nine in 13 years, Nine finals in a 13-year season, and his losses are only to Isaiah Jordan, Dr J and Bird. That is nothing to sneeze at. He is five and four in the finals and those are his four losses. Yeah, Magic is that guy. And y'all stop putting Steph over Magic for all-time point guards too. That's not a conversation. It's not a conversation.
Speaker 1:Magic is number two. Magic is the second greatest player that ever lived, in my opinion, personally, I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 3:I ain't mad at that, mad Max.
Speaker 1:Magic is my number five. Yeah, lebron liked the attention on some female-ish though Grown man acting like a diva, like his name's, sasha Fierce. See, this is why we got to watch Mad Max. Mad Max, mad Max, be crazy, it's going too far Beyond. Pj Wilson, don't spend this all in one place, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, appreciate you, bro, thank you Appreciate you.
Speaker 1:I'm going to catch the martyr to the art center and then try to figure out how I'm going to get back home. That's where the $10 is going to get me Make it to the art center, be able to buy a fan out the machine for $2. After that, I got to figure out how the fuck I'm getting home.
Speaker 3:That was real when your mom used to tell you that You'd come back. You know what I'm saying. For real broke and you did spend it all in one place. You'd have hell to pay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can remember getting on the martyr with my mom, when the martyr was only a quarter, though, so you know, yep, all right, so our headliner is Albums After Beef. Sean, we're going to let you kind of take the lead on this, seeing how Drake's been talking like a battered and abused ex-wife and Kendrick has been out here tap dancing on his ass, and they both are releasing posthumous diss beef time projects the re-release of GNX, the re-release of the Drake and Pratty next door. Sean, I'm just gonna be honest with you. I'm so sick of this shit. These niggas are doing too much. They're on my goddamn nerves. Have fun taking over this segment. I'm about to drink this petite Verdot and enjoy this cigar while you talk Real quick.
Speaker 3:We've got to mention in the new music section that Playboy Cardi got an album I Am Music to Drop tonight that got a Kendrick feature on there, so I'll be interested to see what Kendrick says on that feature AG.
Speaker 1:I did not mean to forget that, but subconsciously, probably because I am sick of this shit and I'm officially tired of it and over it, I conveniently skipped over that, thank you for highlighting Playboi Cardi and yet another Kendrick verse.
Speaker 1:That's probably going to be sending more subliminals about Drake to start up some more conversation, for some more bullshit that I don't want to talk about. So niggas can send some more emotional, ass, ambidextrous, ambiguous messages that I don't want to read. So niggas can keep rapping over repetitive ass beats that I don't want to read. So niggas can keep rapping over repetitive ass beats that I don't want to hear anymore. Just yes, all of it. All of it, sean. I'm sorry for interrupting. Go ahead, let's go have fun.
Speaker 2:So, fellas, I wanted to get y'all's thoughts on that, because we've been talking about, you know, the Kendrick and Drake beat stuff was going on for a while. We were actually about to come on the year mark when the actual song was released. That sparked everything, and we've had conversations behind the scenes, different conversations. One of our first conversations was about how, you know, these artists have to be careful about what they release after the beat, because if you release the wrong project, if you release the wrong song, it could derail your career or it can stifle your career.
Speaker 2:So I wanted to talk about that real quick on just not so much as the Kendrick and Drake thing, but just other battles that we've seen in the past where we had other rappers who actually released music or released an album on the brink or even the aftermath of the beef. And one of the things that came to mind when I was thinking about this was you guys always talk about Ice Cube and Death Certificate, and this came off the heels of him leaving NWA and having that beef with NWA. Although Death Certificate wasn't the first album that he released after the departure from NWA, although Death Certificate wasn't the first album that he released after the departure for NWA. It was more so his response to NWA when they started talking crazy about him.
Speaker 2:And in the aftermath of that beef, he dropped Death Certificate. And we know what Death Certificate was Classic, right, and if he would have missed out, nwa probably would have had more traction but got a little bit more um, more room to actually really shit on him. But because death certificate was such a great album and you got no vaseline on that same album, it all connected because he made the right step. So I wanted to use that as as a gauge for other albums that came for those who had missed up and those who actually had success. So, with that being said, I wanted to bring forth the first one let's talk about. One of the biggest beefs that actually came out was Ja Rule and 50. And Ja Dropping, bloody Ma'am. So, ag, biggest beef that actually came out was Ja Rule and 50. And Ja Dropp and Bloody my Eye. So, ag, tell me about what you think about Ja's move with Bloody my Eye.
Speaker 3:That's an underrated album. I'll be honest. That album was really good, but it's one of those things like if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound, you know.
Speaker 2:Woo.
Speaker 3:Fars, fars. I've never, up until that point, I've never seen somebody with so many fans, and so you know big of a following. Just pack up and leave them high and dry. Like you know what 50 did to Ja Rule. It has been studied. I ain't gonna say it needs to be studied. It has been studied. But all all of uh, ja Rule's fans became 50 cent fans overnight. That's the tidal wave that 50 cent was. And Ja's approach to get back to the grit the same grit that we heard on Vidi Vidi Vici like was the right move, it was the right response. But it just kind of it was like for nothing, almost you know what I mean Because the people wasn't receiving. It's like Jay said, we don't believe you need more people, kind of thing. Like he didn't have enough people in his corner still at that point to back that album or his response record, clap Back for it to gain any traction. But the album itself I enjoyed the album. I think the album is really good.
Speaker 2:Well, you said cool.
Speaker 1:That album is just okay, but AG makes some very, very good points. Here's what happened. You know, vinny, vinny Vici actually has some ready to die to it. The artist is still rough around the edges, but you can hear a hit maker in there, but you can hear somebody that's tied to the streets as well. Here's the thing Because Jay had the commercial success so heavy in front of him and because DMX had the street success so heavy in front of him, it really sent him over into left field with that R&B shit.
Speaker 1:And 50 is somebody See, 50 is smart, 50 is a thinker. And he realized it's like oh no, he's's like this guy went too far left. He ain't made enough shit for the streets. I can beat him by taking it back to the streets, so blow my eyes.
Speaker 1:A dope album, clap back, is a great, great, great, great record that nobody talks about. They don't talk about it because when he had already lost all his credibility because he tried to go too far left and he got no more for a nigga that was singing hooks and for his rap skills and his rap skills was above average he was a dope ass mc and people forgot that. But most of all, he forgot that and it was too little, too late, and so in in a lot of ways, blood in my Eyes actually sounds better than Vinny Vettivici in a lot of ways, but it's all lost on the ears because really, blood in my Eyes is something that he should have released after Vinny Vettivici, not after a battle to maintain that credibility, so somebody like a 50 would have never came for him to begin with.
Speaker 3:And nobody was saying it was a return to form or anything.
Speaker 2:Nobody cared, because by the time he got to return to form it was on this album right here. This was on the second album when he did the Rule album, but by that time it was like we're not checked out, now it's too late, so now you can't recover, so now he's in a bad spot and not to be funny.
Speaker 1:and he had a reason to be feeling himself. He was feeling himself a little bit too much. I remember them Ja Rule articles when he was going double, triple platinum. Oh no, he was talking about himself in the same vein as Jay and Tupac and Nas and BMX.
Speaker 3:No, he was talking about himself that way.
Speaker 1:You want Tupac, you got two pop. I seen that shit, so you know, 50 seen it, 50 seen it up close. I seen it from a distance, like, oh, that is not going to play well in the streets, and 50 already knew it. And 50 took advantage of the fact he just knew what other street niggas knew. It's like, oh no, that shit ain't going to play well in the streets. In the streets, nigga, you're up here singing songs with J-Lo talking about it must be that. That is not about the play in the streets.
Speaker 3:The greatest trick that 50 ever pulled is he did the same exact thing and got all Ja Rule's fans that was jiving with the singing.
Speaker 1:And I used to say that. But here's one thing that we missed. He took Ja's style, but 50 made sure he kept the street ethos to it and I'll give you an example of it. 21 Questions is from a jail cell. He kept the visual street because he knew what he was doing. Yeah, yeah, he did it and he did it better.
Speaker 3:It just is what it is. He made it fly.
Speaker 1:He made it flyer Like the video the stunt 101, that's the same video from. Fucking. What's that? Fucking Cadillac Tassone, the fucking two-way shit.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Stunt 101 is just that video on steroids. He just took it and he's like no, I'm going to do what you do.
Speaker 2:I. He's like no, I'm going to do what you do, I'll just do it better, yeah, yeah, so it was a misstep. It was a misstep by Ja. It was a misstep by Ja, but cool. I want to swing this one back to you though the chronic. The chronic came off the heels of Dre's departure from Eazy-E, if you will, and he had to land somewhere. And he had to land somewhere and he landed with the Chronic. Was that one of the biggest ways to actually resurge yourself after breaking up from a legendary group and having some beef and some malice with one of the most iconic figures? Rest in peace, eazy-e, in the West Coast.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the Chronic is an easy top 10 rap album. If you told me it was the greatest rap album of all time, I wouldn't argue with you. It's in that conversation. It's one of the best rap albums of all time. It's one of the most important rap albums of all time, Production-wise you name it. It has everything that the greatest rap album of all time should have. But this is why history is so important. People forget the moment in time. Dr Dre's not the greatest rap producer of all time. When the Chronic comes out, that would be Marley Ma. Okay, it's 93. No, no.
Speaker 3:This is 92. Late 92.
Speaker 1:Late 92. Yeah, Now people need to understand this and I'm pretty certain that it happened this way. I think Deep Cover comes out before. No, Vaseline.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that. I think no Vaseline came out first.
Speaker 2:No Vaseline came out first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's close. It's close.
Speaker 3:I would check the stats and see yeah, somebody in the chat check when the um the deep cover soundtrack came out, but I'm pretty sure that was after um death certificate I feel like it's deep cover and then no vaseline, because death certificates nine late night hold on death certificates 93 right no death certificates 91 no america 99.
Speaker 1:Ooh okay. So how about this when no Vaseline is probably making the rounds, deep Cover's coming down, but Dre don't have it like that. In 92, guys Like no Vaseline ended NWA Nobody. How about this? The Chronic is one of the most unexpected classic rap albums of all time. Nobody outside of California knew that the Chronic was coming out, nor did anybody care, because Ice Cube had ruined them. Niggas, yes, they were ruined. Yeah, and people forget this. The first single off the Chronic is Dre Day, there you go, that's it.
Speaker 3:It's not, let Me Ride.
Speaker 1:It's not, let Me Ride, it's not nothing but a shit thing.
Speaker 3:It's Dre.
Speaker 1:Day because he had to reestablish his credibility in the streets before he could go do all this other gangster shit that they talk about on the Chronic.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about this point.
Speaker 1:There is no talking this gangster shit without settling what Ice Cube did to you on no Vaseline. And he didn't go to and he did the smart thing. He didn't go for Ice Cube because that would have been career suicide for him. He ain't doing that, that's a good point, but he addressed the point that Ice Cube addressed on no Vaseline. Easy fuck you niggas out of your money. Easy fuck us out of your money. Right, eazy fucked us out of our money.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing, Coop. It's a video and I don't know that before that, if it ever was a video for this track and he had the homie rest in peace.
Speaker 1:that played Eazel making the caricature of Eazy E and I remember him being a young kid laughing like yo, I love Easy, but this is funny Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:He clowned Easy.
Speaker 1:But here's what I'm saying, though he had to clown Easy, because Cuba just got done clowning all of them. There is no, the chronic don't work if he don't set the record straight. Yep, so he has to. So actually people don't understand this. Dre Day is actually no Vaseline Part 2.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And let's not forget the strays that Luke caught too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Luke's been the nobless. Luke's kissed up. Buster, buster, buster.
Speaker 1:Thought I was sleazy. Thought I was a mark because I used to hang with easy Animosity. Made you speak, but you spoke hey yo Dre what up. Check this nigga off, Loke. If it ain't another ho, then I gots to fuck with gap teeth in your mouth.
Speaker 2:Oh, this shit was wild.
Speaker 3:At that time you couldn't have a gap tooth in school because we was like saying that to people at school.
Speaker 2:That predated pause got to for school because we was like saying that to me for school.
Speaker 1:I predated pause. No, I'm telling you like some of the coldest shit that I've heard as a kid was Snoop was talking about what he said and we're going to creep the South Central on a street knowledge mission. I was like when I heard that, I said that's gang shit. I was like I'm not from Cali, that's gang shit. They about to bang on these niggas. I said I'm excited.
Speaker 2:That shit is crazy. It's different. It was played on MTV all day long.
Speaker 3:That took this track to another level, because it was a single and it was a video and it was catchy Bow wow, wow, yippee, yo, yippee yay.
Speaker 1:Dog and the motherfucking bow wow, wow, yippee, yo, yippee, yay, dog, and the motherfucking, yeah, wow, wow, yes, I mean the level that not like us is now.
Speaker 3:For what? Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1:That was not like us in 92, if that makes sense see, this is what I'm saying, though, like dre day was playing. This is what I mean about. It's different, and you can't get these moments back when the streets talk. Oh no, I know, dre Day was playing every day in Compton because it was playing every day on Memorial Drive on the east side of Atlanta. We ain't even from Cali. We didn't get down the way Cali niggas get down.
Speaker 2:That's how hard that shit was. It was everywhere. It was all on the east coast, it was everywhere, everything's response was tough.
Speaker 3:It everything's response was tough. But if the album isn't comparable, you know what I'm saying if it's not comparable to the Chronic, I actually think Real Motherfucking Jesus is better than Dre Day, if we're just talking about a record in a vacuum the beat's better that's one of the best beats ever the beat's better, the beat's better. The full project wasn't better.
Speaker 1:I think that's what Sean's alluding to, the only thing you're beating the Chronic with is Doggy Style Paid in Full. It Takes a Nation Illmatic Purple Tape you ain't beating the Chronic.
Speaker 2:That goes back to this topic, because now you're talking about the Chronic and then he immediately released Doggy Style in the middle of all of that. So not only did Dre land it the right way once, he did it twice in the Miss. Z battle.
Speaker 1:But, sean, you do bring up a very valid point about the Chronic. The legend of the Chronic is built on the back of a diss record.
Speaker 3:That's where the momentum started.
Speaker 1:That's where the momentum started.
Speaker 3:But strategically it makes sense, because the last time we hear from Dre is with the group NWA. So what better way to reintroduce yourself to the world than to? You know what I'm saying. I got a problem with dudes.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? I'm not NWA, no more. See okay, ag. What I'm trying to say is that and this is where things are different oh no, there was no other way. The Chronic wasn't getting play if he didn't address that situation. You were from Compton, you were from the group called Niggas with Attitudes there will be no Ice Cube dropping no Vaseline and any of you niggas not addressing it. You gotta set the tone.
Speaker 2:And then you would think about it the niggas who?
Speaker 1:didn't address it, careers was over. The niggas who didn't address it, careers ended. Eazy and Dre and all the ones that addressed it. Their careers continued on Red and yellow never addressed it gone.
Speaker 2:Gone.
Speaker 3:I think that was that era. I'm glad we're speaking about that, because if you got demolished in the diss track in that era, it was no coming back for you. Your career was done.
Speaker 2:You was a pariah in the hip-hop community. But see that goes back to our topic, because it's saying what does that misstep look like for you? Because not only did Dre drop Dre Day, he dropped a video, the video actually was a lengthy video because remember the original, the premiere of the video, it was a lot of different stuff tied into it. It was a commentary, it was him pulling up to the office.
Speaker 3:And the Sleepy with the Jerry Heller and all that.
Speaker 1:Yes, which was great. But also, too, he also let you know what the album was going to sound like too. When I think about that video, you know what I think about. I think about the beginning of the video where Dre opens up that denim, jean jacket and he's wearing a Parliament Funkadelic shirt. He's letting you know what the album is going to sound like too, because he's wearing the parliament shirt.
Speaker 1:Most of the samples on there come from Bootsy Collins and George Clinton. It was all parliament Correct. So he set the stage not only with the diss record, down to the t-shirt that he wore to introduce and snoop like it was perfect it was a monster Very strategic, very strategic.
Speaker 3:This is what I mean.
Speaker 1:So how can you be so quick to be like? Not Like Us is a top five diss record. It's like nigga. I don't even know if Dre Day is a top five diss record. We just spent 15 minutes waxing poetic about the video, the song, the importance of it in in relationship to the chronic, and this is what I keep on trying to say Not Like Us doesn't have a chronic behind it.
Speaker 3:It doesn't have a no. D-nex is not the chronic by no means no, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's not the same and for those of us that have lived through some of these things, it's like no fam, it's like you had to have been there. We have been through this shit before yeah, we've been here before. We've been here before look here like the chronic is what made me realize hip hop was real, because I was very clear that I was listening to something every day in my neighborhood that sounded and acted like nothing like my neighborhood. Like that shit do not sound like Decatur. You know what I'm saying, but everybody in.
Speaker 2:Decatur was playing it, it was transcending, it was transcending, it was transcending. My mom still says to this day, my mom still says to this day was playing it, it was transcendent, it went everywhere, it was transcendent.
Speaker 1:My mom still says to this day. My mom still says to this day I don't like rap, but I like Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg. Yeah, she do. My mom still like Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3:She probably was a Pogman fan, right Bingo.
Speaker 1:My aunt Sonia. God rest her soul. Six's mom was the Parliament Bootsy Collins fan. Her big sister was the Parliament Bootsy Collins fan. She grew up listening to it. Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2:Think about how culture came from the Funkadelic era. That was the groove era for us. That's when we were dope. We felt we were the dopest human beings on the planet. In the Funkadelic era You're talking about old school soul train era.
Speaker 1:Bootsy Collins, I'm going to make you feel like that. You can have any woman that you want any girl look, man, you think that you can do a Kia cocaine, play the guitar and get any woman you want after you've heard Bootsy Collins. I didn't even know it was possible. Bootsy, I'd like to thank you for taking me to the mothership.
Speaker 2:Yes, Cool AG. My nickname when I was a little boy was Bootsy. They called me Bootsy. They used to have me dance.
Speaker 1:Bootsy, come here and do a little dance From your behavior behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:I used to come here and do a little dance for the people. I'd come in there and do some little weird shit.
Speaker 1:I can actually see that I can actually see that. I can see that. No, that makes sense to me what we got.
Speaker 2:What's next? So the next one I want to talk to y'all about, because I want to skip over a couple of them, because I really want to get to another one that I think the chat would love. I want to start with you, AG, because this one is like near and dear to all of us and this is really the Nas and JB and the aftermath after Ether, after Steelmatic, after Blueprint. You know J went with Blueprint 2. Nas went with God's Son and Lost Tapes, and Blueprint 2 was the first time that Jay actually got critical feedback on an album during his run. You're talking about from what? 96 up until 2002, where Jay never received a lot of bad feedback. Although Volume 3 wasn't the best best, he still got like four and a half to four, I think, four to four and a half mics Volume 3 got four mics.
Speaker 3:I believe Four mics.
Speaker 2:So he still didn't get. No one really said the album was bad in the media, but Blueprint 2 was the first time that people were saying, yeah, he's slipping. So he misstepped with Blueprint 2. But Nas came through with Gossip, one of Coop's favorite songs, which you guys know what that is, we know what it is. One of the best songs that ever been made that ever came out. They're shooting Major. Look, you got lost taste when he's true to form. If Nas would have missed and I want to set this, I want to ask you guys both this question If Nas would have missed out think about Jay being Thanos with the gauntlet right and Nas was the final stone for him to get If he would have got the final stone where he beat Nas in a battle. Jay is the undisputed goat of all time. You can't dispute it. You can't dispute it, you can't argue it, you can't say anything about it. That's a fact. That's a big fact. He has all these stones in his gauntlet, Taking out Prodigy and Nas at the same time.
Speaker 2:He's unstoppable. He's unstoppable, but he didn't get it and he misstepped and lost the stone with blueprint 2 because he misstepped off that. So, fellas, what do y'all think about blueprint 2?
Speaker 1:godson and stillmatic in that relation, go ahead so this is why, okay, so everything that you're talking about about keeping him from the infinity stone that's why I tell everybody that I'm so high on KD. The difference between LeBron being mic level is actually KD. Kd going to Golden State is preventing LeBron from getting the Infinity Stone like you're talking about. That's the consolidation of LeBron's power being prevented. If KD doesn't go to Golden State, lebron is 6-4, not 4-6. Then he gets to say, yeah, that guy went to 6, but I went to 10, and we got the same number of rings and I played longer and I got the scoring record.
Speaker 1:These moments in history matter and that is why Nas' victory over Jay is the greatest victory ever in rap history. It prevented the consolidation of power because and I've always said this to people oh no, nas is the greatest MC of all time. But if we're talking peak, it's Rakim's peak and Jay's peaks. Those are the highest mountains to climb. In terms of a peak, a five-year window. Oh, and jay was at the peak of his window when he got tooken down. It was an afterthought that this was happening. When he dropped the takeover, people thought it was over for real. That's how serious you had to have been there. People talk about Jay now they talk about Jay the legend, the icon. That's cool. We were there in real time for the ascension. Y'all know what it was like for Jay in 2000 and 2001. He was the fucking man. It did not matter if 2001.
Speaker 3:He was the fucking man, it did not matter.
Speaker 1:It did not matter if you thought Nas was the better MC. It did not matter. If he was the better MC, it did not fucking matter. This is the most important moment in the trajectory of history because without this moment of history, jay is unquestionably the goat. It's not a question that he's the goat if he wins this battle. Correct. It's the consolidation of power and, unlike most people, I think people are a little too hard on Volume 3.
Speaker 1:Volume 3 is uneven, but there's some good stuff on there. Blueprint 2 is not good it is.
Speaker 3:There's some good stuff on Volume 3. I tell Sean this all the time. I know we're talking about after the beat, but I'm glad you brought up the power vacuum coop. Blueprint 2, the first Blueprint for me in my all-time list jumped Jay from number four to number two. Prior to Blueprint I had him behind Nas Pac and Big. Then that jumped him all the way up to number two for me. But you know.
Speaker 1:I personally still have him somewhere between four and seven, but objectively I've placed him at two pretty much since the Blackout.
Speaker 3:Oh gotcha. But how you deliver after a trying moment like that speaks volumes, because the diss track if you win a battle, it's almost like that's half the story. But you gotta seal the deal. You know what I mean and I I've said it on this show a lot of times, like when people were saying that this was um kendrick and drake was the greatest rap battle of all time. I'm'm like how can it be when Nas and Jay has Steelmatic and Blueprint as classic albums with their diss tracks? And then we saw what they were able to do after the fact. So let's see how this plays out even further. What Drake and Kendrick are able to do after the fact and Nas delivered God's Son is a hell of a victory lap. And you know, to keep his momentum going before he got to God's Son a year later.
Speaker 3:Matter of fact, nas wasn't one to put out albums back to back like that. Let's keep it real. The only reason why Nostradamus came out so quick is because those leftover tracks from the I Am Double album and he had to get them out. But Nas knew he had to deliver to the people quick because he had the hot hand with still matic. He threw out lost tapes out there, said yo, these tracks are already classic. I'm gonna put them out there to the people and then spin the block again with my victory lap with godson. Another arguable classic album, right that's his best free album run Right.
Speaker 3:And then Jay you know Jay under-delivered with the Blueprint 2 because he was trying too hard. We just got through talking about LeBron trying too hard to beat a goat right. That exposed Jay in a sense where he was like trying to over-rap the guy that would like swag his way through stuff and stuff he was trying too hard. Meet the Parents is him trying too hard.
Speaker 1:So, ag, I'm glad that you're bringing that up. What happened is that, and this is how you know, nas won the battle. If you go listen to the music, the roles got reversed. If you go listen to the Lost Tales and to God's Son in terms of Nas' mic performance.
Speaker 1:It's as easy and as comfortable as he sounds on the mic. Of all his early mic performances Bingo, where has Jay on the other side actually sounds his most pressed Like? Jay's thing was always that he was talking to the hustler. He made the shit sound cool. It didn't sound as cool anymore. He sounded pressed. Meanwhile the other guy is dropping a single and think about this. This is what I'm saying. Made you Look is probably his best single. He never sounded so comfortable and at ease on the mic Now let's get it all in perspective For all y'all.
Speaker 1:Enjoyment. A song y'all can step with. When the fuck did he ever start off a song like that? He's usually so intent and intense in starting off a song by making his mark. He never starts off a rap song easy.
Speaker 3:Let's get it all in perspective. Not even joints like Quick to Back Down with Lil Jon. People don't talk about that record for whatever, but listen to how he starts out. First off, I'm Nas. I'm a Braveheart veteran and y'all already know who I'm better than. He was just every chance he was kicking Jay's back in.
Speaker 1:I tell people this man you're a slave to. A page in my rhyme book is the slickest one-liner in the history of rap.
Speaker 3:The fact that it made you look as a diss song that nobody acknowledges is really a diss song is crazy.
Speaker 1:I've always told people you're a slave to a page in my rhyme book. He's going all the way back to the Dead President. Sample your best song. Got my DNA on it. That's what he's saying. When he's saying that you're a slave to a page in my rhyme book, as in your best shit, like your manifesto song, it's built on some shit that I wrote first.
Speaker 3:Right the delivery you know. And God's Son is a classic album and he dropped one of his best songs ever, made you look as a top five non-song. I don't care, you know, argue with the wall, like so. That's how you follow up. Winning a battle you have to seal the deal Right. And one thing about it I mean I know, Sean, you prepped a lot of people, a lot of different battles for this topic, but one thing you'll notice the people who win the battle always usually seal the deal based off that momentum. And the person who loses the battle, it's a little bit hard for them to find their footing after that loss because they're putting out these duds or misstep albums like. None of these examples I can go through where the person who lost the battle followed that up with a classic. You don't have that.
Speaker 2:So, Coop, can you think of anybody because I'm thinking about the South as well Can you think of anybody who may have lost the battle and came back and really got it back on track? I don't want to think of Jay with Black Apple, and it was after that was removed, after that was removed.
Speaker 3:That was removed that was about 12 months removed from the moment he had to stumble around a little bit.
Speaker 1:I will say this Big took a lot of shots in between Ready to Die and Life After Death and still made Life After Death, and so Life After Death would be the album that I would go to, because a lot of people felt first of all ain't no feeling, ain't no feeling.
Speaker 1:And I don't, unless you're from New York Pac was the man in 95, 96, 97, if you're not from New York. And so for Big to take all the pock shots and hit them up and I fucked your bitch and all that stuff and still make life after death is the only thing that I can think of. But even then it felt like that battle was rooted in something that was so much more deeper than a rap battle. You really got the impression that things went battle. You really got the impression that things went wrong. You really got the impression that she might have did some shit that she shouldn't have did.
Speaker 1:To get back at Big it's too personal. You seen the nigga Suge posting pictures of Misa and Justin and shit like that. It's like, nah, this shit was personal. It was personal. Misa's chilling at Suge's house, faith is going to see Tupac they're running in the same circles, guys. There's something about that that feels personal. But Big is the only one that I could go to and be like. Well, big made life after death, even with Pac talking all the shit that he talked.
Speaker 3:I agree, Coop. But what makes me not count, that is because Big never officially engaged.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of engagement. There's some rules to engagement. Brooklyn's Finest is some engagement.
Speaker 2:Long Kiss.
Speaker 1:Goodnight is some engagement.
Speaker 2:It's slick talk.
Speaker 1:There's some engagement. I've got some problems with my wife.
Speaker 3:What Jay say on Dear Summer. If it ain't directly at me, I don't respect it. So I think it was a lot of subs and Big was very clever. Hold on.
Speaker 1:But Jay said that, but Jay also said to all y'all the cat's throwing shots at Jigga you only get half a bar Right.
Speaker 3:It'd be convenient to say it.
Speaker 1:It's convenient to say it when Pac's the man and you're coming up and then you become the man and it's like, oh, y'all can get half a bar. That's why Jay only got. Oh, the Hawaiian Sophie guy. It's like, yeah, you're not on Nas' big level yet. Go, step to the side and come back when you got it Right.
Speaker 3:I just think the big argument holds more weight if he would have went and directly responded. But he handled it in his own fashion. It's definitely rules of engagement there, but it wasn't enough. Put it this way what Ma Big did on Drop A Gym on him was more direct than anything Big ever did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how about this, though too Big, was more in Drake's position where it's like, well, he had the boot camp click situation, he had the Ray and Ghost situation. He had the Ray and Ghost situation he had Nas the Rooter Damager. The Nas, the J Roo shit. Like you know, kicking the door, kicking the door is actually one of the greatest diss records of all time, because what Drake was trying to do is actually what made people kick in the door. It's like oh no, it's like you want some?
Speaker 1:The kick in the door is who wants some?
Speaker 3:Come get some Nas you want some.
Speaker 1:Come, get some. J Rue D&D, your little boot camp.
Speaker 3:Masterful what Drake tried to do on Family Matters. Kicking the door is my favorite Biggs song and he's going crazy at Nas. Nas is my favorite MC.
Speaker 1:I mean if we're talking for three verses. If we're talking three verses, kicking the door might be Big's best mic performance. This goes out for those that choose to use this perspective.
Speaker 2:It might be.
Speaker 1:Fuck that. Why try Throw bleach in?
Speaker 3:your eye. Now you're brailing it.
Speaker 1:In 88, sold more powder than Johnson.
Speaker 2:Johnson Told to feel like Bronson Vigilante, you want to get all the time you need to have.
Speaker 1:Ain't no other king in this rap thing, feel like Bronson Vigilante. And Primo was funky on the beat man Ain't no other king in this rap thing. They sibling Nothing but my children. One shot, they disappearing. They still using that line to this day.
Speaker 3:They all crummy shit.
Speaker 1:Took home ready to die. Listen, study. Now they on some money shit Successful out the blue. They lightweight, fragile. My nine mils make white shake. That's why my money never funny.
Speaker 2:And you still recruiting Stupid Shit.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. How can you hear Big on kicking the door and tell me that hit him up is better as a disrespected? How can you hear Big on kicking the door and be like your rain on the top was short, like leprechaun?
Speaker 3:I think people respect more saying names, like if a name is not said, people don't respect it as much, I think that's the buy-in Names.
Speaker 2:add more punch, because that's what people want Sensationalism.
Speaker 3:If I catch a flight, it's going to be direct. I mean, that's what we're doing. You shouldn't have to decipher who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Exactly Yo, 17-year-old Sean, this bad boy. The first line 17-year-old Sean said was here we go here we go. Yo, I was like bad boy, bad boy, what you going to do when I put a lot of things? Yo, I ain't going to get into that, but that was the 90s. Shout out to 17-year-old Sean Bugging out, did you just?
Speaker 1:shout out the 17-year-old version of yourself on this podcast. He really did Coop.
Speaker 3:He really did.
Speaker 1:Did you catch that AG?
Speaker 3:I'm used to Sean doing stuff like that.
Speaker 2:If it's Sean talking to Sean.
Speaker 1:We're not talking about Sean Carter. We're talking about Sean doing the show, 17-year-old. Sean 40-something-year-old Sean is talking about 17-year-old Sean. That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:That was crazy. So, ti, I asked you about TI. We'll wrap this up so we can get to our press play and get up out of here. Shout out to the chat man Again. Sub, subscribe all of those things, share, like all of those things.
Speaker 1:Andrew is right. You have also shouted out the six-year-old version of yourself dancing to Bootsy on the show. I'm going to need you to let the formative year version of yourself You're old nigga. Let that shit go.
Speaker 2:You're old.
Speaker 3:Let that shit go. Sean is in his personal endgame. He's time traveling back. Look at that.
Speaker 1:Right Sean's. Like I'm in my third person bag on Hip Hop Talks tonight. Shout out to 17-year-old me, 6-year-old, me.
Speaker 2:Shout out to 50-year-old me in the military and back to the future, nigga.
Speaker 1:Shout out to these guys, man.
Speaker 2:Shout out to those guys Boy yo.
Speaker 2:I want to ask you this, because when Lil Flip, I'm going to laugh because Lil Flip was trash. But Lil Flip, when he was going at TI and there was a lot of noise around TI being the king of the South and I'll be honest with you, for me being on the outside, I did not look at TI as being the king of the South. I didn't even like him saying that, I didn't like that at all, but I didn tia as being the king of the side. I didn't even like him saying that, I didn't like that at all, but I didn't know who was the king of the side, just like him saying it and I don't know who it was. But when flip um threw him out there and then tip came back and released king, that's so much from that, from atlanta, someone who was in the mix of all of that where did that take you automatically? Did you feel like that's when he actually ascended to being the king of the South or being the person that he was projecting to be?
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm conflicted about this. First of all and I still maintain this TI is the best rapper to ever come out of the city. I don't care what anybody say, I don't want to hear that Andre 3000 stuff because Tip got King and Paper Trail and Trap Music no.
Speaker 3:Urban Legend stuff too.
Speaker 1:I love Urban Legend. Urban Legend is a personal favorite of mine. I probably listen to certain records on Urban Legend more than I listen to certain records on Trap Music, even though I think Trap Music is the better album. And so TI is the best rapper to ever come out of Atlanta. Atlanta is the mecca for Southern hip hop and so in terms of all time great Southern emcees, I have him extremely high. Has him, scarface Wayne tip. At this time I actually had him ahead of Wayne. Only due to his legal troubles do I feel like Wayne is ahead.
Speaker 1:My only problem with him calling himself King of the South is that he did it in a time where I feel like Scarface had reached a status of an icon and a legend in this business and in his region, that he was actually that guy when TI was saying he was that guy. And so when you're talking about the little flip thing, that really didn't resonate with us here in Atlanta, we expected Tip to do what he did to flip. Yeah, for us down here, his crowning achievement beef wise isn't what he did to flip. It's actually what happened to shawty low here in atlanta, because shawty low from the west side, just like tip from the west side and not to get too deep into it.
Speaker 1:As far as the streets is concerned, shawty Lowe was considered to be more well-connected than Tip.
Speaker 1:Some people say Shawty Lowe was the man on the West Side. And so when Shawty Lowe popped up questioning Tip's street credibility on his side of town and in the city and Tip responded with paper trail the way that he did, that's when he became king to us down here, because his integrity and his street credibility had been challenged from somebody in the city who we knew and respected in the streets, not on some rap shit. And the way that he responded in the streets and on the mic. Because I tell, tell people, oh, paper Trail might be his third or fourth best album, but if you actually want to talk about mic performance, the writing much like Tupac on Me Against the World, oh no, that's why I picked I'm Illy as my bar seminar. You actually, I mean, I didn't want to tell you this, Sean, you actually got a piece of it wrong, because he's actually this in shawty low at the end of um, I've been all around. He called him homie low, not shawty low, that's what they're saying he's calling him homie low.
Speaker 1:He's talking about shawty low. Yeah, you ain't even made it far as dc homie low. I'm getting treated like a guy. He pretty much saying like you talking this shit in the city, understand, I'm the man in the city and the man everywhere else, you still a local nigga. So when he addressed Shawty Lo, what up, what's happening? What up, what's happening is probably the most underrated diss record to ever come out of this region and what's happening is kind of like Snoop Dogg's Pimp Slack.
Speaker 1:It's an all-time great diss record that nobody talks about. But that's when he actually became king-king down here to us. It's like because his credibility was in question down here and he responded in kind, the way a fucking champion does. It is very like. It's like remember when MJ was down 0-2 to the Knicks and they're like how's Mike going to respond? It's like going to ball so hard at university for the next four games. Or when LeBron was down 3-1. That's what it was like when Shawty Lowe was coming for tip inside the city. Y'all outside the city ain't hearing that and feeling that. We inside the city like, oh my God, like this nigga, shawty Lowe was popping up and talking cash shit about tip and this is after all of. Y'all are looking at tip like the man. This is, after all of. Y'all are looking at Tip like the man. He's doing the Destiny's Child thing. He's doing Dale Earnhardt Jr with the Chevy stuff.
Speaker 2:Y'all are seeing all that we in the city.
Speaker 1:This nigga from his own neighborhood. Like neighborhoods and hoods that Tip was shouting out when neighborhoods of Shorty Low used to hustle through. You feel me, that shit was a real problem for Tip in this city when he handled. That is when he became king to us here.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, that makes sense then.
Speaker 1:So it was Lil Flip to us was like oh, like the nigga from Houston. It's like only nigga we respect from Houston is Scarface. Next, this Shardy Lowe shit's a problem, nigga, you got to handle this West Side shit. You got to handle this West Side shit. Ain't nobody from your neighborhood, nigga from the neighborhood talking about you. He's saying you ain't from the west side. He's saying that's your grandma, my house, and you got bust here. Streets would like to know.
Speaker 3:So y'all hold that more than y'all hold that higher than the Luda battle with TI as far as the streets go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, ask anybody asked anybody plugged into the street and hip hop side of Atlanta the shorty low thing. Anybody plugged into the street and hip-hop side of Atlanta. The Shawty Lowe thing was the thing, the Luda thing and the Flip thing was the thing to y'all. The Shawty Lowe thing was the city thing Because you can't be the man out here when you're not the man in your city, let alone the man on your side, and so he had to lay claim to his side.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's more street where the Luda battle was, more so on. Who's better at the time?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a who's better on the mic thing, that's rap stuff, right that's rap stuff. You're king of the south Shawty Low. You ain't even king of the neighborhood Right.
Speaker 3:Gotta take care of home first.
Speaker 1:That's why can't be no simping and you're pimping at home. Because here's the thing. Shawty Low, like a lot of people down here, criticize urban legend for sounding to East Coast, to New York. That's when the problem started.
Speaker 3:He was running into the Jay-Z of the South, thing at that time, and that's when the neighborhood started taking shots.
Speaker 1:That's why you got to be careful about that shit down here. That's interesting.
Speaker 2:I want to ask that from you because I was an outside looking in. I knew some guys from the Mac town, from Macon, georgia. They were like yo Shorty Lowe was more dangerous to pop me to TI than Luda or Lil Phillip or anybody else. Was because Shorty Lowe had the streets on his side.
Speaker 1:Right. So what is it? So think about this how are you going to open up and start a club crucial on the west side, when you got beef with another king on the west? You get what I'm saying. That shit was bad for his business too, for his expansion and stuff. A lot of the stuff that he's doing business wise with Killer Mike, a lot of him being able to plug into the mayor. It's like no, no, no, no. Charlie Lowe was shutting down his traction in the city in terms of what he was trying to build out. It was hurting his entrepreneurship, because the streets is like you're going to let this nigga talk to you this way, fam Right.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. That makes sense, AG. I didn't have anything from West Virginia so I'll. I couldn't put.
Speaker 1:That is wild.
Speaker 2:My bad, that was uncalled for.
Speaker 3:My diss track to you is coming soon, though, so we'll put that together. You've seen my bar work.
Speaker 2:A little bar coming off from AJ. Them bars are crazy. Yo, let's get into the press play. Fellas Cool, kick us off man, get your press play. Well, you know, first of all, you all did a tribute press play fellas Coop, kick us off man With your press play.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, first of all, you all did a tribute press play. My first thought was well, I'd like to do a tribute to Coop and Coop's rap career, but that's coming soon. Instead, I chose somebody a little greater than me and I chose to pick my five personal favorite Tupac songs. Because I listened to Me Against the World today and it just got me to thinking about Pac and how legendary and iconic that he really is, and so I just wanted to give Pac some love today. Anybody that knows me, I know all y'all joke like about the whole Tupac thing and all of that, but he is actually one of my greatest inspirations as an artist, as a black man, as a thinker. Think he should be hip-hop's logo, should we ever have one, and I wanted to pay homage to him by going through my five favorite tupac songs. I'm a content guy, so if you were expecting to see picture me rolling or ambitions as a rider, or, uh, all all about you and how do you want it like, I love all those records. That's not what I listen to poc for. With that being said, I'm going to my. I'm going to start in reverse, sean. I'm going to start with my number five, which is actually going to be my block off the show soundtrack.
Speaker 1:A lot of people have heard me talk about this record. I talk about this record all the time because of all of his brilliant and classic records. I think this is the record that's been the least heard because it's on the show soundtrack. This is the Tupac the Tupac that's on my block. That's the Tupac that Biggie and Nas looked up to. And when I think of Tupac, he has a rhyme on there where he says can't explain what attracts me to this dirty game. Rhyme on there where he says can't explain what attracts me to this dirty game. Gold chains, some extra change in the street fame. And I think that encompasses his perspective of what he was as an artist. He wasn't the businessman that Jay is. He wasn't the technician on the mic that Rakim was. He was somebody that really loved hip-hop guys. You know what I'm saying. It's like he really loved the culture, he really loved black people and I hear that guy that loves hip hop and loves his culture and loves his people on my block. It's my personal favorite Tupac song, but I got it at number five on this list.
Speaker 1:Number four is Keep your Head Up. I think Keep your Head Up is his coming out party. Quite frankly, as an artist, I think he's always talked with depth. I think this is where the content driven artist met the hit maker for the first time and created something like. All of his records after this, I feel like, are extensions of this. I ain't mad at you, you know, like, like those records in that vein. They come from this record. I think this is the record where he found himself as an artist as in like oh no, I can still have a message and make people sing along and make a hit and sell the records and sell out the show. So I think this is a very important record to his career.
Speaker 1:My number three is I ain't mad at you. I know there are a lot of records that are bigger and bolder on all eyes. On me, I still think this might be the best record on all eyes on me, because this is what I mean. This is Tupac, not death row Tupac, but Tupac, tupac on the Death Row album, and I think that if he would have been blessed with better production listen to what I'm about to say, ag, because you're going to love this. Imagine, because to me I ain't mad at you. Content wise belongs on me against the world. Imagine if he had production like the production that Daz gave him on I Ain't Mad At you for Me Against the World. That's why when I tell people it's like oh no, I Ain't Mad At you is a Me Against the World track. Imagine if he had that type of production on Me Against the World. That's a top five rap album. I Ain't Mad At you would be my example, given of that record, of what Me Against the World.
Speaker 3:I never thought of that, but it's very much in that vein.
Speaker 1:We was once. Two niggas of the same kind Quit the holla at a hoochie with the same line that's Me Against the World, Tupac.
Speaker 1:You was a little smaller but you still roll. Got stressed to YA and hit the hood swole. Remember when you had a Jerry Curl? Didn't quite learn Off the block with your Glock tripping off, collect calls to the tip saying how you changed. Oh you a Muslim now. No more dope games. Be coming home, just got bail. Want to go to the mosque? I want to chase tail. Seems I lost a little homie. He's a changed man. Hit the pen and now no sin. And it's the game plan. That's not death row Tupac, that's a Tupac.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That guy with great production. He's the best MC. Yeah, he is. That guy behind great production is the best MC, and I ain't mad at you.
Speaker 3:Let's give some respect to Johnny J, though man Johnny J was doing his thing, johnny.
Speaker 2:J.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing. This is no disrespect.
Speaker 1:Johnny J was doing his thing, man, johnny J, okay. So here's the thing. This is no disrespect to Johnny J. Johnny J is great. Tupac is one in a million guys, and so he deserves one in a million.
Speaker 3:You gotta match levels.
Speaker 1:He deserves one in a million productions.
Speaker 1:So no, it's like if we're talking producers, it's like no, he deserves Dre, he deserves Crane, he deserves Q-Tip and Pete Rock and DJ Quick and Large. He deserved those guys all the time, all the time. No disrespect to Johnny J. Yeah, number two, most people's number one, dear Mama Might be the best rap song of all time. I don't know what else to tell you we could. They should teach how about this? Lupe should be teaching classes about Dear Mama. Fuck all that scientific rhyming breakdown shit. Teach a class about Dear Mama. Yeah, fuck all that scientific rhyming. Teach a class about.
Speaker 2:Dear Mama.
Speaker 3:No, I'm serious.
Speaker 1:Fuck all that scientific rhyming. Teach a class about Dear Mama. Teach a class about dear mama. Teach a class about something about that that really matters but you can't.
Speaker 3:You can't teach emotion actually see?
Speaker 1:here's the thing you can't teach emotion, but you can get people to understand the depth of emotion, right? Yeah, it's true, it may not be something that people can replicate, but you can get people to understand it, which means it needs to be taught. Yeah, yeah, and number AG. You and I have the same favorite Tupac song that's so Many Tears. I'll never forget the first time I heard so Many Tears I was chilling.
Speaker 1:On the west side of Charlotte. I was at my mom's friend's Betty Jean house Another hood little neighborhood, little Chinese spot around the corner, little liquor store around the corner typical neighborhood shit. One of the niggas outside bought a boombox and he was grilling on a little cheap ass grill. The first thing that he cut on when he cut on the boombox was so many tears. I was sitting inside watching Rap City. So many tears was playing. But here's what bought me outside.
Speaker 1:The niggas outside was talking about Tupac and how much they love Pac. These was OGs. You know what I'm saying. These wasn't like young dudes, these was dudes like in their 40s and 50s, talking about how real Pac was and how much they loved Pac. And so Many Tears was the record that they was playing that night Because they was like Pac, speaking for the Gs.
Speaker 1:You know and these was old dudes in my neighborhood I'm like 13 years old at the time Brothers outside like 40, 50 years old. You know they sitting outside smoking weed drinking 40s smoking Newports, you know your normal hood shit in the early 90s. But Pac was that dude, even to the OGs, and that's what I remember about so Many Tears. He wasn't just the man to our generation, he was the man to the generation that was preceding us, like they played his shit, yeah. And so I always remember being like in the neighborhood and on the block and the OGs playing so many tears. It's like we was playing it, but the OGs had really lost a lot of dudes in the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying. They really felt that record and related to that record.
Speaker 1:And now I look back to the people that I lost now that I'm like like, because now I'm at the age, now that them dudes was when I went and chilled on the block with them that night, you feel what I'm saying. I think about all the people that I lost now and it's like, oh no, I see why they felt that record so much, it's very, very real, flawless record, dope top five too.
Speaker 2:Can't go wrong with Pop.
Speaker 1:Never go wrong with Pop man, if not for this Nas run still deserve some GOAT consideration. Seriously, that's what I mean about this Nas run still deserve some goat consideration Seriously. Yeah, that's what I mean about this Nas run and I don't want to hold it to wrong that's why this Nas run is so important. It's like, oh no, if you told me before this Nas run that Pac was still your goat. It's like oh, no, no, no, I can eat it. Not mad at that at all. You deserve that. I ain't mad at you.
Speaker 2:Pun intended, pun intended, ag what you got, man yo, for mine I wanted to.
Speaker 3:We lost one of our greats last week. Roy Ayers. Rest in peace. And I mentioned on the show last week that one of my favorite just songs of any genre of all time is Everybody Loves the Sunshine, and it's just one of those feel good records. I don't care if you're in a bad mood, you hear that joint. Come on, man. It's like it's one of those nights to just bring a smile to your face. And I wanted to honor roy airs by some of my favorite hip-hop songs that sampled or interpolated that particular song. Everybody loves the sunshine.
Speaker 3:So to kick it off, I got jay cole rags to riches off his debut mixtape, the come up you know what I'm saying when he took the sample of the beat and young Jay Cole was doing his thing. He's not the lyricist Jay Cole that we know now, but this is still a dope track. So that's my first joint. Second joint, coop, I believe you'll like this one is Lost Souls by Tupac and the Outlaws off the gang-related soundtrack by Tupac and the Outlaws off the gang-related soundtrack. Now, one thing about this I don't think this song gets talked about enough. But here's the kicker. Pac has so many gems on soundtracks. I'm just thinking in real time. I think he has the best soundtrack catalog there is. As far as you take it pulling their soundtrack records, I think Pac might be number one. Ag, you're right, he's got pain to pour Soundtrack records, I think it might be number one AG.
Speaker 1:You're right. Yeah, nobody. He's got pain to pour out a little liquor on one soundtrack, that's enough Right. That's enough.
Speaker 3:Yes, and that's what I was about to say. You talked about your two top five songs. Pain would be number two on my list and that's off a soundtrack. So there you have it. But the game and and part of that reason why he has so many dope soundtrack songs because you know, let's be honest, he was starring in a lot of these movies, he's on the soundtrack, very, very talented brother, you know. So that's another one that interpolates. Uh, everybody loves the sunshine with the hook on that one. Um, number three a couple weeks ago we waxed poetic about naughty by nature, so off poverty's paradise I got the song sunshine by naughty by nature. So I talked about on that show that naughty by nature doesn't get enough love, so I wanted to give them some love in my press play with that record. And to number four, thank you, and the number four, I got a song of the same name, ironically that we talked about the anniversary of it today, scarface Sunshine, which is one of my favorite records on the Untouchable.
Speaker 1:Hey, can I tell you something? When I saw that you were doing the Royal Airs tribute, that was actually the song that I thought of, because I was like oh no, sunshine's on the Untouchable too.
Speaker 3:I'm a Scarface guy. You probably would have been disappointed if I didn't pick this one. I'm a Scarface guy. You probably would have been disappointed if I didn't pick this one.
Speaker 1:Actually, when I saw that you were doing Roy Ayers and that we were covering the Untouchable, I'm like well, aj's picking Sunshine which you did 100%, 100%, had to do it.
Speaker 3:And last but not least, more recently, common and Pete rocked. This is one of the no pun intended, but shining moments off the Auditorium, volume 1. Sorry, no pun intended, but Shining Moments off the Auditorium, volume 1. Sorry, when the Sun Shines Again. That's one of the best songs off that album and, if I'm not mistaken, I think it got nominated for a Grammy. It didn't win, but I think it got nominated. But yeah, that's the last one I got in my press play. One of the Honor Roy airs with those hip hop songs that sampled Everybody Loves the Sunshine.
Speaker 2:That's dope bro, dope fellas. Mine was more. I wanted to slow it down a little bit this week because I wanted to pay homage to Dwayne Wiggins. Rest in peace to the legend man from Tony Tony Tony. God bless his family, those who are impacted and who are affected by his passing. That's Rafael Sadiq's older brother correct, that's his older brother, yep.
Speaker 1:That's his older brother, the original Tony.
Speaker 2:The original Tony the founder yeah, the founder of the group Correct, the founder of the group Open as five. Phenomenal musician. Had a chance to see them in concert about two years ago in Columbia, south Carolina man, at the Township Auditorium, very intimate setting. Had a chance to really vibe out with those guys Very, very good, great concert and just had a chance to just see him man in action before his health declined. So my old day to him is just some of the songs that he penned from Tony, tony, tony.
Speaker 1:Whatever you.
Speaker 2:Want Love Whatever you Want. I love that record. When you hear that song live and you hear the instrumentation, this guy was a true musician. He done a lot for Beyonce, for Destiny's Child. You read some of those stories. You're like damn, he never asked for anything in return. He just did some great things for people.
Speaker 1:Just real quick, sean. I think people forget this. He's the musician in the family. Rafael Sadiq has the voice and the writing ability. He has the voice and the writing and usually when you have the voice and you're the writer, you're going to be more notarized, but he is the musician. So all those funky ass grooves that you're hearing, all those guitar licks. And most of their hits Are famous for the guitar licks that's the guy playing the guitar.
Speaker 1:Those are his riffs and those are original riffs. Those aren't samples. That's him playing the guitar, Accomplished music.
Speaker 2:I seen it live Coop a couple years ago, accomplished, and his pin game is crazy, so the songs I selected are his pin game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was about to say, and he co-wrote most of these hits with his brother and wrote a lot of these.
Speaker 2:Whatever you want is one of those that he wrote, and my five are the ones he wrote, and whatever you want is one that he wrote. Yep, lay your head on my pillow, come on.
Speaker 1:This is their banger.
Speaker 2:Banger. He's the lead musician on this joint. Just me, and you Think about the sound that it came from.
Speaker 1:This might be my favorite, Tony.
Speaker 3:Tony, Tony record.
Speaker 1:I was about to say that's, yeah, that's on my favorite five Tony, Tony, Tony records.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me and you is my shit. This anniversary, banger after banger after banger.
Speaker 3:We just talked about this with Freddie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come on, you want to know look here.
Speaker 1:You want to know who they are. They're very much Freddie Gibbs of like R&B bands for their era, because it's like people be. How about this? Give me Jodeci, and I'm biased because we knew them in my family and they are from Charlotte, north Carolina but outside of. Jodeci. I'll take Tony outside of Jodeci. I'll take Tony Outside of Jodeci.
Speaker 2:Jodeci was everything.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying? Jodeci man, they do the spit, the game for you to the ladies back. Then you just play the record. You didn't have to say nothing. Say nothing.
Speaker 1:Tony, tony, tony did the same thing. They just did it the old school way. They actually are the extension, sean, of the Isley Brothers, of the old days, of that classic soul and actual making love songs. Like think about this. These songs that you're naming, these are love songs that don't get made anymore. It's our anniversary, made for me and you.
Speaker 3:They were dignified. Tony, tony, tony was on some courtship records. Jodeci told you what it really was, what kind of time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:This was an impeccable list Sean those five. There are not many groups that can go into the studio, lock them in and then come out. No help, no engineer, no producer, no outside interference.
Speaker 1:Okay, but here's where they had Jodeci beat. Oh no, they could do the slow, funky love song stuff, but they could kick the tempo up. Let's get down.
Speaker 2:Yes, if I had no loop, if I had no loop. If I had no loop.
Speaker 3:That used to ring off everywhere.
Speaker 1:If I had no loop was the damn. It never rings in Southern California. It's their first single. They got banged up y'all.
Speaker 2:I could have gone so many different ways with this, because the bass is out of this world. You're talking about true musicians, and to watch them play as musicians play in concert it takes it to a different level.
Speaker 1:I can remember when they dropped Sons of Soul, my Aunt, wanda, bought the album and I used to play and I asked her why she liked them and she said they play instruments the way the bands that I grew up on play instruments. I'll never forget when she told me that, because I was probably about 10 when that album came out and I asked her why she loved them so much. She's like they play instruments. She's like they play real live music. Now this is 10 year old me that doesn't understand the difference between somebody programming stuff on a beat machine and somebody playing live. But then I got a little bit older and I was like this is what my own Wanda was talking about. They were that. They were that deal, sean. You're right. They were probably better live because of that than they even were in studio, which is saying a lot, because you just named some very, very, very classic records.
Speaker 2:Facts. Absolutely. That's my press play. Rest in peace to duane wiggins, a freaking legend, you know. Yeah, rest in peace, duane wiggins two pops. Cool yeah, big's mom, violetta wallace, who was led to rest yesterday, um andy Stone last week.
Speaker 1:You know, faith did a real classy thing that nobody's talking about. So we can talk about it right quick and then leave it like this she was awarded Big's estate and she split it with Big's mother when she didn't have to, at her own volition, because she wanted his mother to take part and take place in his legacy. And so her name and us knowing her name and being familiar with her name all these years has a lot to do for with the fact that, well, all the projects that have involved big, well, they've had to run through her. That's because Faith made sure that it was that way and Faith didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1:So on a day like today when we're talking about disc records and talking about some of the nefarious things that have happened, understand there are two sides to every coin and we need to shout out Faith for including Mrs Wallace in her son's estate, so that we're all acquainted with the woman who birthed arguably the greatest mc of all time, because we're not as acquainted with her and familiar with her. Faith doesn't include her, and so we do need to shout out faith for that. We know who miss wallace is because of faith, not because of big. We didn't know who Miss Wallace is Because of Faith, not because of Big. We didn't know who she was when Big was alive. We know about her because Faith has included her in his estate. So shout out to Faith.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely, and we had another super chat came through.
Speaker 1:Okay for Mad Max, that's not a real super chat. Okay, it's not a real super chat. It's a terroristic threat.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Double man. Double, always showing love. He's dope. I'd say Blueprint 2 over Blueprint 3. Blueprint 3 has no B-sides. Blueprint 3 was.
Speaker 1:Okay, first of all, double. You're shady and apparently your ears are like Stevie Wonder's eyes. That's what I'm going to tell you your ears are like Stevie Wonder's eyes. That would make you Helen Keller. That would make you Helen Keller.
Speaker 2:Have a good week. Cut a double. We just got flagged.
Speaker 1:It's not just. Apple man Definitely just call one of our biggest contributors helen keller.
Speaker 2:definitely not making any money definitely not making any money for the 20 super chat and salute.
Speaker 1:We appreciate you bro, we're gonna need all the super chats we can get. We won't be making many money off the views from the show. Youtube's gonna be like this nigga said helen keller, kevin, because we are beyond media.
Speaker 2:Call a daredevil that's crazy. You know we appreciate all of you guys. Thank you all for pulling up tonight. You know we had triple digits all night, um, but you guys realized we were. We were popping on and we appreciate you all. Your beyond media just gave us a $20 super chat.
Speaker 1:We'll need all the money we can get.
Speaker 2:We got to be cool, we got to be cool.
Speaker 1:We're definitely going to be needing the money to pay some of these states off for slander and defamation.
Speaker 3:GM James probably going to get us taken off the YouTube airwaves.
Speaker 2:That's going to happen For real. First of all, hold on.
Speaker 1:Maya the prophetic asked a very poignant question that I do feel I need to answer. Stevie Wonder's lately, or Jodeci's lately, understand, I'm from Charlotte, but I'm not stupid. That's not a conversation.
Speaker 2:I don't do that to me because you're not.
Speaker 1:No, no no, I'm from Charlotte, but I'm not stupid If we're picking a song that Stevie Wonder did and whoever covered the song after Stevie. Understand the answer to the question is Stevie and that's no disrespect to any of those artists. None of those artists are artists, including Jodeci. All four members. Look here, I'm from Charlotte, north Carolina. I will take Stevie Wonder over all four members of Jodeci. It's like, if you tell me it's like Coop, you can't have Jodeci, but you can ask Stevie. It's like go ahead, tell the niggas I said goodbye. Tell the niggas I said goodbye, be like I see you at the chicken coop and that Mr C's on the south when it was there. Peace, nigga, I'm taking.
Speaker 2:KC Nah.
Speaker 1:Sean Nigga, you can take KC, kfc, I don't care. High C Nigga, cv, all right, I care what you say Far, but frequently oh come on man Bring them niggas.
Speaker 3:Yo, let's get out of here before he shout out 19-year-old Sean, or however old he was when he was listening to that Trading all them niggas for TV.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what my wife said. All right now, now, now, now.
Speaker 1:If you want to keep Bobby Womack punk trifling ass instead of KC. Bobby Womack ain't shit, ass instead of KC. Bobby Womack ain't shit but KC. I don't receive it.
Speaker 2:I'm taking KC Straight up and down K-C-I-Z-K-F-C. I saw when he actually got into the. He's in a hospital right now. You say he has a KC. Yeah, kc, praise't seen KC, yeah, kc, he's gonna take KC from God damn.
Speaker 1:KC.
Speaker 2:Of all time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know some things you don't know about KC, so you know.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I was in the KC concert too.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:He got on his bodyguard's shoulder, literally on his shoulder, walking through the crowd and I was like that's the best. So since I'm giving out Atlanta, Look, look, look, real quick.
Speaker 1:So since I gave you an Atlanta history lesson, Let me give you a Charlotte history lesson. Right, quick. The group is called Jodeci because it's JoJo Devontae and KC Dalvin wasn't in the group. You want to know why Dalvin wasn't in the group? Because KC was beefing with him about a girl and pulled out a gun on him. This is when they were in high school.
Speaker 1:This is before Jodeci existed, so Jodeci was actually three members and it wasn't until KC stopped the beef about the girl that it all stopped. But KC been a crazy nigga from day one, and this is from our cousins that went to high school with him. It's like well, he pulled a gun on Dalvin, so that was a little bit of a problem with Dalvin joining the group because KC didn't want Dalvin to be part of the group. Devontae had to convince KC I need Dalvin in order for this shit to work and it's only when Dalvin became a part of the group that they took off with KC's crazy gun-toting ass, long before y'all knew who Jodeci was Been a crazy nigga from day one.
Speaker 3:History, lesson over.
Speaker 1:Glad you learned some more about the west side of Atlanta and the east side of Charlotte.
Speaker 2:Hey, ask Mary, ask Mary and Kase. Kase and KC got into a fight. I mean, kc was wild man. Shout out to KC, kc, he's my number one R&B singer of all time. Personally, I'm a person Number one.
Speaker 1:Vocally, he's up there. Vocally, he's up there as a vocalist. He's up there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we appreciate y'all. Thank y'all so much. Thank you for the super chats, thank you all for hopping in the chat. We still got triple digits tonight. We got a guy out here, fellas, and in part of words, people should be showing some love right now. In part of words, anything Peace, and love to everybody, man.
Speaker 1:Anything. So much to me, Ooh yeah. Nothing more precious than to raise a family.
Speaker 2:You got Ill City.
Speaker 1:In your mind Ill City what up? Appreciate the support from the city of God. What?
Speaker 3:up Appreciate the support for the city of.
Speaker 1:God, what up? Ill City? Hold on real quick. Sean, I Am God texted me yesterday. The homie Rufus is about to drop his project. We need to get plugged into that and pull him up soon. We need to make plans to go to Chicago this summer. Shout out to Ill City. Shout out to I Am God. People under the stairs, all them, people, everybody out there. We need to pull up there. I told I Am God, we're coming this summer. We need to come.
Speaker 2:We do, we do, we got to go there. We got to go to Vegas because we still got a guy out there who wants to help him with the production of his album, the A&R of his album. So shout out to him as well. So we got some work to do.
Speaker 1:First, of all, if we go to Vegas, I'm going to tell you, like JaJar Gabor told all your folks no pictures please, no pictures please. If you go to Vegas, no pictures. You haven't seen me in Vegas, okay, okay.
Speaker 3:There's ATL Coop. There'all got me thinking man Love you For Life might be my favorite R&B song of all time.
Speaker 1:Love you, for Life is up there.
Speaker 3:No off, there it might be. It might be my favorite of all time All my life, all my life.
Speaker 2:What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:What about us? My heart belongs to you, my heart belongs to you might be the best start off to rmb I wanted to propose.
Speaker 2:At 17, all my life came out.
Speaker 1:I'm like I need to get married I need to get married. I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:All my life came out I'm like yo, I'm gonna marry you. I'm 17 years old. I need to figure this out because I just hurt his soul. I just hurt all my life. I have my best basketball game after listening to all my life.
Speaker 1:Sean's talking about basketball, All right it's time to go.
Speaker 3:It's the basketball game.
Speaker 1:Thank you, guys for coming out to Hip Hop Talk. Click like and subscribe to the page If you'd like to hear more stories from Sean about his basketball career. Don't subscribe to our page. Shut up, Run nigga. This is me blinking twice, Shout out to Dawn from Envogue.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Dawn from Envogue. Yeah she fell on hard times right Hard times man. I hope she can bounce back and get back in the track. Dawn from Envogue fell on hard times. Yeah, she was living out of her car for the past couple of years now.
Speaker 1:Okay, I got a friend with a pole in the basement. Oh, oh, yeah, all right.
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Speaker 1:Don Don Don. This basement is a thousand square feet.
Speaker 3:No, who can be wearing a robe in the basement, bro? It's cold down there.
Speaker 2:It is cold in here we can keep our ass cold. Don's locked up in the Brooklyn basement. Don Don, we're going to have a conversation.
Speaker 1:We're going to have a conversation about compensation're going to have a conversation about compensation, conversation about compensation, upon your arrival, that's insane, that's insane Peace y'all.
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Speaker 1:Love you Don.