HipHop Talks Podcast
Introducing "Hip-Hop Talks Podcast/Media'' - a captivating experience that immerses hip-hop enthusiasts in the boundless world of the genre and its cultural impact. Join hosts Shawn, Coop, and Adriel as they pay homage to the foundations of hip hop, from its origins to the present day with a diverse take on Hip Hop. Shawn, takes you through the boroughs of New York, while Coop provides a provocative, yet daring take on the South’s stake in the Hip Hop game. Adriel brings the unique perspective of Hip Hop through the lens of those that cling onto the lifeline and purity of Hip Hop. Combining their thoughts and views, is liken to your favorite superhero team assembling to lean into each other’s strengths. Through insightful conversations, passionate debates, and meticulous breakdowns, they explore the intricate fabrics of hip hop, including its powerful lyrics, infectious beats, mesmerizing breakdancing, vibrant graffiti art, skillful DJing, and electrifying MCing. "Hip-Hop Talks" is the ultimate destination for fans seeking to deepen their understanding and appreciation of this influential art form. Tune in and become part of the unified community that celebrates the timeless legacy of hip hop.
HipHop Talks Podcast
FIVE MIC ALBUM BRACKET + Top 25 2Pac Songs, Kendrick/TPAB, Rufus Sims, Gibbs, Playboi Carti
🎵outro music plays🎵. Welcome to Hip Hop Talks, where the moderator can't find his damn moderator notes right now. That's where we are Click like, subscribe and share. We about to have a show, Maybe.
Speaker 2:Hopefully we got one, we got one tonight Look at God.
Speaker 3:If you didn't have it, I had it, coop. You know what I'm saying? I got one tonight. Look at God, hey, if you didn't have it, I had it, coop. You know what I'm saying? I got the back.
Speaker 1:No, you know, normally I actually get prepared for the show today because I like preparing, like some people like to prepare days prior. I am a game time person, so I do like like prepare for the show in real time, and so yesterday I actually prepared for the show outside of listening to the music. It's the first time I had done it and it did just throw me off because I am used to having everything out in front of me already, because people understand, when I'm off on Thursday it's like, oh no, I come down here and I'm down here all day. So it's like my stuff is everywhere. So I just got to like put it back together like Voltron. So you know I'm saying it's like oh no, no, my notebook's over here, the iPad's over there, my cigars are right here, my, my beanie if you get cold, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:He's back Cadillacs, the robe just out of frame.
Speaker 1:The robe's actually over there on the couch. The robe's actually on the couch. That's daytime mirror music flow. It's the beanie and the Nike hoodie for the hip hop talks. You gotta coordinate, you gotta coordinate.
Speaker 4:Don't let the robe hear that man the robe gonna pull up on you for the hip-hop talks. You got to coordinate. Don't let the rope. Hear that man, the rope going to pull up on you and throw his axe.
Speaker 1:Look here, I done had some of these ropes on, they got legs. They probably walking around. It's like yo where my slap time at Coop?
Speaker 3:Dr Strange Cloak of Levitation.
Speaker 1:Hey, I did want to clear up one thing, Sean, before you jump into some of the things that you wanted to share. We had some commentary about, you know, LeBron James and once again people made it all about Bronny and what we said about Bronny and just totally skipped over the whole LeBron part. We know Bronny is doing well in the G League guys, we follow the tea leaves and the numbers, just like you. We were saying he's not NBA ready and if you want to know how we know he's not NBA ready, he's not playing in the NBA right now, he's playing in the G League. Stop talking crazy to us about crazy stuff. If he was NBA ready, he would be in the NBA. Hello.
Speaker 3:Hello, people, don't listen man.
Speaker 1:Hello. You understand the words that are coming out of the moderator who can't find his damn notes. Man, Are you listening to the words coming out? Yeah, Okay. Sean go ahead. Your turn, bro, that is crazy.
Speaker 4:Anything. Hg on your side. Do you want to rebuttal, because I think someone came to your head as well about the G League comment.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, we said what we said. It's just like we said he belongs in the G League. We know he's putting up stats in the G League. We're aware of that. He's just not aware. I mean, he's just not ready for the NBA. And that's what Stephen A was saying for LeBron Stop putting him in those positions that he's not ready for right now. I mean OK, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Him averaging 21 points in the G League. It's like OK, so you're telling me that you would be at USC right now averaging that, which would make you a potential lottery pick yes, an NBA player. And what we were saying was is that it might be best for you to go back to school for another year to actually be a professional basketball player.
Speaker 3:And let's keep it above him. Putting up those numbers in the G league gets more coverage than anybody else that put up numbers like that in the G league.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, cause? Cause the players that put up numbers like that the G League? Oh yeah, because the players that put up numbers like that, that make it up here, usually only come in here and average five or six or seven points anyway, but whatever.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, Sean. All right, Yo fellas, we got a couple of super chats real quick. Let's get them out the way before we get into the show.
Speaker 1:OK, it's Mad Max. That's not a real super chat to start the show, but we're going to deal with that. Mad Max, $10. Holla, coop buddy, we need to talk, we need to link. No, we don't. Paul, absolutely, absolutely. It's been kumbaya. That's great. I ain't even going to front on you, mad Max. Kumbaya is brilliant. To the shadow realm for good, or the phantom zone Tired of his laced ish. That's the first thing first. Okay, mad Max coming in. Mad. Max again.
Speaker 1:Mad Max got got a dub on it early, okay, mad Max. Second, if you hear another person say the pepper butterfly over Illmatic, I'm gonna slap them to the stone age so they can learn some history. Make sure Fontano got that message, okay.
Speaker 4:All right, mad Max, please. Shout out to Mad. Max.
Speaker 1:I never thought I would say this, but thoughts expressed by Mad Max are not reflective of hip-hop talks. You just have to say they're about.
Speaker 4:Coop. He's shooting a shot at Coop in the chat. He's shooting at me in the chat. I just read your super chats. What are you doing? We need a link.
Speaker 1:Don't tell a man, you need a link.
Speaker 4:You don't say it like that Wow.
Speaker 1:Saying we need a link is nasty work. Literally.
Speaker 4:Like no, oh crazy Shout out to that.
Speaker 4:Max. Shout out to I Am God in the chat. Shout out to Rufus Sims in the chat as well. Ill City in the chat. Chicago, chicago, chi-town stand up. We're definitely going to get to you guys tonight as well.
Speaker 4:Before we get into it, fellas, I have a question for both of you, but I want to kind of set the stage for my question. So we see the Kanye rant all over Twitter. Everything that he's saying crazy shit he's talking about on Twitter. We see the UMG stuff with Drake. All of this mess that Drake is doing Suing for a diss record, suing for defamation of character, all of these different things. Fellas, fellas. It's getting nasty out here. We got so many times. We see our artists.
Speaker 4:You know one thing about Kanye he was one of our favorite artists, right? He gave us some great music in the very beginning, first phase of Kanye's career one of the best phases of hip hop, would you all agree. He gave us a prime J blueprint. He gave us a lot of memorable moments. But now he's starting to separate himself from those memorable moments by doing this foolery that we're seeing on Twitter. It's not about the music anymore, it's about the antics. The antics are now starting to leapfrog all the music, even for Drake. Someone else who was very polarizing as an artist coming out the gate gave us some really good music, and now both of these guys are becoming characters to themselves, going to Twitter posting different things and memes and all of this other trash and I was getting away from the music. How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1:AG. You want to go how you feel, ag. Oh no.
Speaker 3:That's spot on, man, go ahead. I'm always somebody that tries to compartmentalize the artist. You know what I mean from the person. You know, because we make mistakes a lot of times of putting people on pedestals and, to your point, sean, they end up just letting us down. But, um, you know, like he's, he's making it very difficult for somebody to compartmentalize him and still rock with him on any type of level musically.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, me and my girl, we had this conversation this week. She was just talking about, like, if a old song that she used to love it has just randomly come across her playlist, she just hit skip and like, don't even want to listen to it anymore because it's hard to, like you know, listen to with the antics and the things that he's putting out there. You know what I'm saying. So, um, like sean's saying, it's really getting to that point where it's hard to even, you know I'm saying, tap back into the old version of him. You know I was talking to my son when Bully dropped the other day online. I was like you know, I texted him. I was like yo, it dropped but I'm not listening to it, I'm not supporting it, or whatever, and he was like, nah, me neither. You know what I mean and you know some months ago he was wanting to check it out, but it's getting hard to like. He's really dug himself in a hole that I don't think he'll be able to come up out of.
Speaker 1:Okay, so check it out. So we haven't Having a little Chi-Town episode. It seems like we're going to be reviewing Rufus' project in a minute. Shout out to I Am God, ill City Rufus. What a dope project we're about to talk about in a minute. Hopefully get you on here next week too. Plug Is this really a different version of Kanye, though, guys? I think this is just Kanye being Kanye, really, at the end of the day, guys.
Speaker 3:I said the same thing, Coop, to my girl.
Speaker 1:It's wrapped up, though I'm being very, very serious when I'm saying this Cocaine is a hell of a drug, though. Guys, have you ever done cocaine?
Speaker 3:no, okay let me say that again for the people in the back.
Speaker 1:Motherfucker, I have that. Shit is fun, okay, so will he be wild? So would he be wilding? And would he be?
Speaker 1:wilding and tripping out yeah, who contracts? I heard that so would he be doing the shit that he be doing? I'd be like, oh no, fam, just dusted. But I've been dusted before, so that's just kind of how I look at it. That's why I prefaced it by saying I'm not joking. If somebody that's abused the drug before, it's like, oh no, motherfucker, I don't know what the fuck that shit is. That's what happens. No, for real, that's what happens when you do that real shit. You know what I'm saying? Not that step-thorn, he's got a lot of money, he's taking expensive drugs.
Speaker 1:It makes me think of the Dave Chappelle, rick James, skit.
Speaker 3:Cocaine is a hell of a drug he's on drugs guys, but it's at a point now where you can't make excuses for him.
Speaker 1:I've been saying this shit for a long time. He's on drugs.
Speaker 3:Hard drugs. Even that's no excuse for him at this point, man.
Speaker 1:These are hard drugs. These are hard drugs and unchecked traumas. He's dealing with a lot of issues, and this is why people still do relate to him. He's dealing with a lot of issues that a lot of other black males are still dealing with Unchecked trauma and hardcore drugs. He is still not dealt appropriately with his mother's death either, guys and I just want to be very careful about saying that, but he just hasn't dealt with it yet, guys. He hasn't, and it's tearing him apart because he feels responsible, and the worst part about it is that he might actually bear some burden. If you've heard some of the stories about how things went as opposed to how they should have gone, and so because of that, you have some unchecked trauma. You have somebody with access to money and resources and fame and power, but this isn't too much different than him saying George Bush doesn't care about black people. No, that's the same nigga. Now, what the problem is is that the music sucks.
Speaker 1:The problem is the music sucks. The problem is not the commentary, the incendiary commentary. No, it's a lot of problems with the commentary. It's a lot of problems with the commentary. Coop. No, what I'm saying is that the incendiary commentary has always been there getting the hall pass when he was making classic shit Period, point blank.
Speaker 3:He been saying watch. I don't think it was as inflammatory though. It wasn't as inflammatory oh he's done, he's done.
Speaker 1:You know, he his inflammatory? Oh, he's done, he doesn't you know you know. No, this motherfucker been throwing up some gang signs on some certain communities. Those are gang signs.
Speaker 3:By the way, when you say those are gang signs, but, he's playing a dangerous game right now, you know and I'll leave it at that because I don't want to say too much or put stuff out in the universe, but he's, he's playing a very dangerous game right now and it's a scary thought. So yeah I mean he just this is.
Speaker 1:he did this a few years ago during like the whole wyoming thing. It's just it wasn't the exact same commentary, guys, but this is just kind of what he does and I do think that it. You know, you, when you deal with some drugs, like you will literally go on like binges and you'll go 17, 18, 19 hours straight and your thoughts become you know what I mean it's like oh no, mental health is real and so it's like drug abuse and like all that, and he needs some help and you know, quite frankly, to make some better music. But music, but you know, I don't really have anything else new to add about it. I've been saying this shit for years and I've been like well, the music's not good and he's like really fucking up and yeah, but let's not give him the drug.
Speaker 1:Let's not give him the drug out, though, you know, I mean because that's an easy plea to cop you know I'm only saying drugs this time is because, like I, from somebody who's abused drugs before, it's like I don't know it's crazy.
Speaker 4:I felt like drugs. I felt like drugs. I'm not laughing at you.
Speaker 1:It feels like drugs. It feels like drugs.
Speaker 4:It's a combination of everything y'all said. I really do think he's still grieving. I really do. I'm not trying to cop a plea for him. I do think that he's grieving very, very heavy, and this is how he's dealing with it, because I also feel that he felt like he's being betrayed by so many people that he poured a lot into, because he's naming these people by my names on a list, and these are folks that he probably felt like yo, I gave them ideas, everything, all of these things, and when I needed them they weren't there for me, and I think that's why he's lashing out the way he's lashing out.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm going to stop right there. He makes it hard for people to stand beside him Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I think that might be the most poignant point is that I don't think that's what I'm saying. I don't think that might be the most poignant point is that I don't think that's what I'm saying. I don't think that the commentary is the problem. I don't even think you know the drug addiction and the mental health issues, like, like all of that's not a problem. The problem is is because of his track record in history, there's nobody to really get behind him. Right, right, that would be the problematic part about it, especially from his side, right?
Speaker 4:You've got to love him from a distance and it's tough. You've probably got people in your life that you've had to leave behind or love them from a distance.
Speaker 1:Look here, my father just passed away and I cut people off like relatives. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. My father just passed away and I cut people off like relatives, yeah it's tough.
Speaker 4:You probably felt healthy after that, for whatever reason. You probably felt healthy after that.
Speaker 1:I feel great, and I don't apologize for feeling great, feeling better. No, I refuse to feel bad. I'm too old for that shit. Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't. You're not going to weigh me down no, but again.
Speaker 4:Let's get back to the music. Stop the antics. Yeah, I don't feel bad, I don't. You're not going to weigh me down. No, but again. Let's get back to the music. Stop the antics, all this other stuff, Talk behind the scenes or whoever. Let's get back to the music. That's for everybody, that's for Dre, that's for Ye, that's for content creators. Let's get back to hip hop.
Speaker 1:Let's not do the clickbait stuff. Let's not follow the algorithm, become the algorithm. You know, it's usually what you know for what kanye is going through. There's usually somebody that has come before you that usually is like a relatable figure or somebody you can point to and be like well, the cause of it really comes from here, but it's like no, he's actually the cause, even the tone that we are taking towards him. He created this tone. You know what I mean About really speaking the truth and saying what you feel. Very much like the gentleman who you have on your hoodie, ag. You know what I mean. He made this shit cool and now it's kind of like the shoe is on the other foot and everybody's open season on you now, the way you've been open season on everybody from day one, you know, because there is nobody that he is Not aired out, guys, there's nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4:Which is crazy, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:So, fellas, let's get to new music new music Freddie Gibbs Nobody another Lucy from Freddie guys. We got an album coming. Shout out to Andrew, who did a reaction to Nobody. You can catch that up on our Mirror Music page. Shout out to Andrew, our behind the scenes guru and my co-host of Mirror Music. Check out Andrew's response and reaction to Freddie Gibbs' Nobody but AG. What did you think of? Nobody.
Speaker 3:Well, first of all, you know it was. It was crazy because the song dropped that same night of the pod that we was waxing poetic about him over. You know the slow R&B loops. You know what I'm saying about him over. You know the slow R&B loops. You know what I'm saying. So when I heard the sample on the song what I thought to be a sample I was like yo, I've heard this before and it was driving me crazy where it came from and I was like yo, this is crazy.
Speaker 3:But turns out it's not a sample at all. It's from his original track. If you go back to his previous project, he Only Died Once track. If you go back to his previous project, he only died once. It's on the interlude with all the voicemails where you know the devil is trying to, you know call him and then the girls and stuff leaving voicemails and that was the beat in the backdrop, yeah, and then he turned that into a track. You know, I think it's called uh, nobody's, uh, nobody's home interlude or something like that. But um, he reused it, repurposed it and ended up spitting over it and made a dope song out of it. But yeah, I mean smooth track. Freddie got the hot hand right now.
Speaker 1:Sean what you think.
Speaker 4:Similar thoughts, I agree. I agree. I told you you guys sold me on Freddie and this is another joint that was dope. I'm hoping the album come real soon. I hope that is something that we can bop to. Let's get back to the music. I agree with everything Angie said.
Speaker 1:When I heard this record, I was thinking so, is the next album called Soul Samples sold separately? That's what I thought. Soul Samples sold separately, that's what I thought. Quadruple S Soul Samples sold separately. Part Two is also what I thought about, because it does.
Speaker 1:It does appear that he's chosen to get in a kind of soulful bag.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, I think this is an intentional movement to make music like.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm saying, and so I am fascinated about him maybe potentially revving back up, because actually, if, um, freddie's catalog and his progress Freddie actually just really took a year off for the first time in about eight or nine years, really, you know, and so maybe this is like the ramp back up you know what I'm saying With you only die once and, um, maybe something coming this year. So those were my thoughts, but it was a dope record. I don't think it was anything special, but I do think, like you said, sean, I think he has a hot hand right now, though, and usually when you have a hot hand, that's a good time to like make an album, and spring and summer is on the horizon, and it does appear that he is also one of those rappers that it seems crazy for his acquainted. We are with him. It seems like he's on the verge still and he's been on the verge for a minute and I feel like he might just have he's one record away.
Speaker 4:He is one record away in my opinion, from from being like a household name because he's got everything right. I'm not breaking away his whole career okay, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:So we're just gonna slide ill magic with the 999 super check, if you guys want to include late release albums from last year, starting with November 2024, on your list for this year. Would you rank Sky Zoo's album this year? Where would you rank Sky Zoo's album this year?
Speaker 4:Excuse me, I don't know, I don't know, I probably got it close to the middle, maybe to the back half, maybe the back half it was just outside of my top 10.
Speaker 3:I think I had it at like 13 for last year, so if you put that into this year it might crack the top 10 so far yeah I doubt it. I mean, I'm just gonna be honest with you it didn't have a lot of staying power with me, although I really liked the album.
Speaker 1:I liked the album too, but no, it's not going to. I mean, we're about to talk about one of the projects that I've actually enjoyed most this year. It's like no Shaitan's on fire. It's like I like the I Am God project better. I like Mike Rufus' project better. Absolutely it's more entertaining, and we're going to talk about this in a minute because I feel like we need to start talking about it, because we are going to talk about Rufus and Ill City's production job and I am God and just the Chicago culture of emceeing right now. This is what I'm about to say. It's not just that the guys can rap, it's that they're entertaining while they rap.
Speaker 1:I found myself entertained by this Rufus Sims album. Highly Like I hear the bars, but I found myself entertained. I catch the bars quick. You know what I'm saying. Like I know he can rap, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I love the theme of this album and how they literally interpreted and took pieces of old, dirty bastard interviews and interluded them throughout. Yes, yeah, footage that a lot of people maybe haven't heard. I like the project was very well put together. This is the type of project when I listened to it I thought to myself no, I sound like a major artist put it together, sound like a major producer put it together. If Death Jam were to wrap this product up, you wouldn't say anything about it. You'd be like man, these skits and these interludes are really thoughtful and really really woven together between some really great music and some really dope cypher type of beats for really great MCs to rhyme on. He has a cadence and a style to me that actually, even though he's from Chicago, it kind of comes off to me like a schoolboy cue and an MC hustle, and I mean that in a complimentary way. I started hearing some schoolboy Q type of cadence Like sometimes like Q's early shit, q would be off kilter but on beat. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying I hear that when I hear Rufus. But I mean that it's like that's one of those hard tricks to pull off in rap. And I can see why the old Dirty Bastard theme comes into play, because old Dirty Bastard is like the king of the off-kilter style, and so I can even see stylistically where he's coming from, because when I listen to his flow and his delivery, his approach, he's one of those guys, like some guys can rhyme to the hi-hat because their flow is off-kilter anyway. So they don't got to rap to the boom, boom, boom. They can rap to the shh. He can rap to that because he has an off-kilter style. And so I loved what he did, flow and delivery-wise, while maintaining a high level of lyricism.
Speaker 1:It is one of my favorite projects this year. I was super impressed by the beats from Ill City on this project. I thought the production on here was stellar. Shout out to Ill City for another dope production job. Shy's on fire right now, guys, and it's just, you know, it's time for us to fucking pull up. So those are my thoughts. We can give it an official number after y'all, talk, y'all shit. But those are just my early thoughts about listening to the project today and talk y'all shit. But those are just my early thoughts about listening to the project today. Here's my last thought. The project was long. It's hard to get for me to listen to a project that long and be entertained. That's what I mean. It's like. Oh no, these guys are pros now at this point, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:When I saw this album cover, I'm sold already, right.
Speaker 1:I'm sold. It's a Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4:Forever it's Wu-Tang forever, right, wu-tang, forever. You got my attention right like Captain Candy said, you got my attention right so I'm bought in. And then I started hearing, like you said, the themes from Dirty and I started hearing just the entertainment part of it. This album has a lot of character to it.
Speaker 4:It does when you think about albums and you think about, just you know, some album rappity, rap, flow, flow, all of this and that which is great, beats and everything which is great, but where's the character? And this album has great character, well, that's here.
Speaker 1:Well, that's where he reminded me of q a lot, because I'm like, oh no, he can rap, rap, like he's a rapper's type of rapper, but he's got a style and a content base where it's like oh no, there's more to it than just the entertaining part of his style. Facts.
Speaker 4:Facts, even when I hit a posse cut. And again it's kind of go back to you, sarah, you're cool by Chicago. Chicago has something to say again and this is a different type of Chicago bop. This is not, you know, jay, this is not drill. This is like taking you back to the essence of Chicago hip hop. When you think about when Common started like really landing those big punches, when you're talking about just the dexterity of his rhymes, these guys, yeah, these guys I Am God Rufus, like the collective of all these guys that we've been hearing the last couple of years.
Speaker 1:They are more twister and common in do or die than they are. Kanye and Chief Keith yeah, absolutely. And Dirk like, yeah, yeah, they definitely more of that Matter of fact. I Am God on his verse on here literally went from a common flow to a twister flow. I think it was like eight bars in, I think it was either on his sixth bar or on his eighth bar. He literally sped up and rapped twister style for about four bars on this record.
Speaker 3:I'm maintaining a high level of lyricism. That's I.
Speaker 4:Am showing off, that's I Am showing off.
Speaker 1:It was a show off. It was a definite show off.
Speaker 4:Relax, you get it you in the bag, you in the pocket right now no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:When he did it, when he did it, that's how I felt too I was like oh he's he like oh no, no, I hear to beat all types of ways yeah, yeah, yeah, he's showing off right now.
Speaker 4:But for me, when you talk about, when you talk about the album itself cool, I agree with you. I feel like this is one of those albums that the more you listen to it, the more you're entertained by it, because you start. I listened to it the first time I said okay, I got it. Second time I missed that. Well, I missed that, and that's what I'm looking for in an album. I'm looking at things that I can pick up along. On my second, on my third, go around with the album and that's what I found about I Am God last album. You go back and listen. I listened to that one, right, because I wanted to hear it next to each other.
Speaker 1:I wanted to hear it next to each other.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and shout out to Ill City because the beat's crazy again and it's like he's in the back Now he's showing off, now I am showing off. You got Rufus giving you the character. He's giving you a lot of the panache, if you will, in this album and it feels great. It feels great to hear an album that's so entertaining that you're not focused so much on everything else around it but you focus on the entertainment piece of it. It goes back to Return of the Thirties and Chambers. It's one of the most. It's one of those albums that you can just listen to and you don't have to bust your brain to listen to it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:It's just entertaining. It's fun to listen to it, if that makes sense. It's just entertaining.
Speaker 4:It's fun to listen to.
Speaker 1:It's entertaining, even the crazy stuff that gets crazy. For you you're like man that's crazy, but it's really fun. It gets crazy yeah.
Speaker 4:For sure shout out to those guys, man, what you got to eat.
Speaker 3:Dope reviews by the two of you. Unfortunately for me I didn't get a chance to listen to it. I was gonna listen to it this morning but I had some work across my desk that was unexpected so I had to tap into that. But from what I gather, from what you all say like the production is top notch from ill city you know what I mean coming off the I am god project. So I'm definitely looking forward to that.
Speaker 3:When I saw the album cover when I was getting ready to download it, like Sean, it got me right out the gate Okay, oh, this looks interesting. You know he's taking the concept from Old Dirty Bastards Return to the 36 Chambers, so that had me really intrigued. So I like what you said, coop, because it looked like that the album has a cohesive theme throughout. You know what I mean, because that's one thing that's missing from hip-hop nowadays is cohesive themes and people really curating projects and putting them together, because we're in a microwave streaming society and people don't put that much care in albums anymore. So I'm excited to hear that aspect of the album, to have a concept leaning into the old dirty um bastard thing and then, you know, really putting it together from a solid front to back project. So I'm really excited to tap into that um this weekend and for the hill city production. You know I'm saying so. Shout out to the camp, shout out to I am god and shout out to rufus sure so hill city on this project.
Speaker 1:To me, I think this is a better production job than city of gods, that's saying a lot that's saying a lot. I'm not saying that the beats are better, necessarily, and this is why I'm saying it's a better production job. Oh, he had to experiment more because of who the artist is as a producer, and so, from the perspective of if we're going to look at it on some Wu-Tang shit, it's like, well, I Am God would be closer to a GZA or a Ray. They're easier to construct a beat for because of fundamentally how they rhyme, how they.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's harder to make a beat for Old Dirty Bastard. It's harder to make a beat for Old Dirty Bastard. It's harder to make a beat for Rufus. You get what I'm saying. It's more challenging.
Speaker 1:Because they're unorthodox, it's a more challenging come-off for the producer, and so the fact that I think the production jobs are comparable about, stylistically, what you have to do to make the great things about this artist shine as a producer oh well, he did that exceptionally well on this project in my opinion, and stylistically, because he is more unorthodox than I am, god, I do think it makes it a better production job just to that. If we just going down to the nitty-gritty about like the beats and stuff, it's like it's very comparable, and so I'm going to give the edge because of the unorthodox style with rufus rhymes with, which is what stood out to me when I heard him on I am god's project, you know right I was like. I was like oh no, his style is unorthodox.
Speaker 1:But he's in pocket on the beat and he's still catching it. You know there's that that people have an unorthodox style oftenly, are more musically inclined sometimes than even that they realize, because they're actually catching the musical timing of it and not the traditional 16-bar format timing of it. They're actually catching it like a sheet of music, not like a program machine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and to your point, they're more entertaining too.
Speaker 1:It's always more entertaining because you want to figure out man how the fuck did he put those words together and then make it fit, and then make it fall, well, it keeps you off balance? Yeah, there's definitely all that. So I mean, Sean, we can kind of wait for AG to give it an official ranking. I am going to reach out to Rufus when all this is done, and maybe Ill City and I. Man, we just need to have everybody on.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think we need to bring rufus on and give him some shine for this project. Um, I don't want to date it too early, but, sean, I was thinking this is somewhere between a four and a 4.25. Honestly, I agree I agree.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean the production alone get you in the door for right he'll see, they're crazy in the production alone.
Speaker 1:He did beats on here. Crazy they are, yeah so, yeah. So I mean, ag, we'll kind of wait until we give, like the official, the official Hip Hop Talks final review, and I want to listen to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm tapping into that tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Well, I've listened to it two times. I do like to give something that third listen before I finalize it, but I did think that the project was good enough that we needed to discuss it today and not let any more time pass. Check out Rufus Sims. Ill Dirty Rufus tentatively somewhere between the 4 or 4.25 for Hip Hop Talks. We'll see what AG thinks. I'll come back with a time rating as well. No pressure, no pressure. It's a definite 4,. Ag, I think you're going to be hard-pressed to hear this project and say that it's not a 4, though At least that's what I'm saying Gathering, just from what y'all are saying, I'm expecting that for sure.
Speaker 3:When the album was ending, when I got that.
Speaker 1:Listening to the second time I was like, oh no, this is a 4.25. It's pretty damn good. Yeah, I was impressed. We know that they're independent artists, but you wouldn't know it anymore. I don't even know it. Like, how about this? The music that the dudes in the shop is making right now? It's like they may give me a question what an independent artist is in these days and times, because they sound more professional and polished than most of the guys that they actually are telling me are the professional and polished artists. They're professional and polished artists that are putting together projects like this with these skits woven together with features placed in the right places for the right people to rap over certain type of beats. It's not, you know what I'm saying. So it's like who the pros and who the indies really? You know what I'm saying? Who really outside?
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing it sounds like the approach is the difference maker that separates them from other indie artists, the care and the approach that they're putting into all their projects.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I was say this, I and and we can kind of leave it like here and slide, slide to somebody a little bit more notarized maybe but I started feeling today when I listened to this project. That's how that griselda shit started, that's how this project started to make me feel. It's like, oh no, like you know, because here's the thing, like, and you guys know this, oh no, west side had been putting it down for a minute by himself, I think. Conway stepped in and then benny stepped in, and when benny stepped in is when it became a thing. And so when I heard this rufus project, it's like, oh no, we've been talking, I am god, shit. And this rufus project is probably the first project that I've heard from other camps and I've heard some other stuff and it's been good, but this is the first one.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, I'm like oh shit, hold on that momentum, you know what I'm saying. When cats keep getting around each other and it happened, and it only take one dude like I am God to really kind of like ignite the flame and everybody else start believing, start working a little harder, getting more beats, spend a little bit more time together doing more shows, more people in the city start. You know what I'm saying. We start talking about it more. That's how shit really is supposed to groove. You know what I'm saying? And this album gave me that feel Dope. All right On to Playboi Carti's. I Am Music, you Are Not. Next topic. All right, glad we had this on Hip. Hop.
Speaker 3:Talks no, no, no. Did you listen to the?
Speaker 1:album.
Speaker 3:Yeah, can I Once?
Speaker 1:Man first of all. First of all, I want to say I got I Am God in the chat, Don't nobody care about. No, I Am music. Next.
Speaker 3:I got a quick funny story, since we talked about Dirty. I think I texted this to Sean. So this Friday evening me and my kids are riding around in the whip and my son's like yo dad put that Playboy Cardi on and I'm like man, I mean. I listen to the.
Speaker 3:I was like I heard the Kendrick track or whatever he was like, but put the whole album on. I was like man, cardi's unlistenable for me and I'm okay with that. I recognize that I'm old and Cardi's for you, young kids, I'm cool with that. It's a generational gap, you know. He's unlistenable for me. And my son was like, well, I feel you, but at least tap in for the features. He's like travis got a fire feature on there weekend, on there, kendrick, he's like at least tap in for the feature, so you know. So I was like all right.
Speaker 3:So I put the, put the record on listen and I was like man, I can't do this. So I was just like if I'm gonna listen to something that's kind of wild, unorthodox, outside of the box or whatever, I at least wanted to sound dope, you know what I mean. I said I'll put on some old, dirty bastard and god love her. My daughter in the back seat, 13 years old, chimed in and said yeah, put on Nutmeg by Ghostface, I'm sold, god love it. You know what I'm saying. So I was like that's my child from my own heart, right there. You know what I'm saying. If I would listen to her bounce out of the box on Unorthodox talk about wild stuff. She was like put on Nutmeg.
Speaker 4:Cool, I'll say this and then we can move on. I felt in the beginning I felt bad because I'm like man, I want to be able to give a solid critique, but I'm like, I want to be authentic to myself. I listened to the first three songs and then I turned it off and I listened to some Jay Holiday and it had me thinking that Jay Holiday, um, and it had me, holiday was actually he had he had a moment. Then I played four or five, six more songs. Then I went back and listened to a little bit of Bobby Valentino and I was like man, bobby Valentino had a moment as well when he you know, he had to jump and nod, slow down, remix and all of that. And I listened to Cardi again and I just turned it off and I couldn't do it no more Because I find myself going to other random music. Jay Holiday is random, bobby Valentino is random. I started listening to just random shit, just to try to get out of it.
Speaker 1:Bobby Valentino actually lives on my side of town. I know his hangout spot. We go to the same hangout spot. Sometimes he's got cool spotty games like that. He we go to the same hangout spot, sometimes he's got cool spotty games like that. He be there all the time. Tell him to give a shout. I won't be doing that. Bobby. Don't be acting right towards the staff sometimes, but cool.
Speaker 4:I find myself going to listen to some random stuff. I even listen to one of your favorite songs, Kiss Me Through the Phone by Kiss Me.
Speaker 1:Through the Phone. First of all, it's not Kiss Me through the wall First of all it's not kiss me through the phone that I'm a fan of. It's like you with Bow Wow and Sierra that I'm a fan of.
Speaker 4:That's the one.
Speaker 1:It's the cotton candy ass rap songs that I like together. That's the cotton candy rap song that I like, not the Soulja Boy song, the Bow Wow song, the CC Right.
Speaker 4:I had to listen to some random stuff. The more the story is. I had to listen to some random stuff just to get my mind off the Playboy or Cardi Apple. No disrespect intended, it's not for me and I'm okay with that. I'm not going to cap, I'm not going to go here and pander to it. I'm okay with it not being for me.
Speaker 1:With that being said, can we move on? No, Well, I actually didn't give my review. Go ahead, AG. No, go ahead Coop.
Speaker 3:We'll come back to the whole Kendrick of the whole thing, because I had a question for you all, but go ahead, coop.
Speaker 1:First of all, a couple of things, a couple of things that I care about. Rufus said in the chat there's about six or seven of them. It's very Wu-Tang-ish, that's dope. We need to be checking for that. Second of all, the bar that I see Bobby Valentino at is not a gay bar, you assholes. It's a whole restaurant. No, me and Bobby V don't have matching robes. No, I don't speak to Bobby V when we're at the same bar when. No, I don't speak the body language when we're at the same bar, when I'm at this bar.
Speaker 4:I'm mutual. This is wild, this is wild.
Speaker 1:This is why it's not safe to live in Atlanta.
Speaker 4:It's not, it's really not Not safe out there Having met rules and speaking of Atlanta, Playboy Cardi is from down here.
Speaker 1:What I will tell you is that what I really took away from this album is that man, young Thug, is really a legend because he has fathered a whole style down here that has enabled people or you could say it's future, if you want. He comes off as more of a thug type of protege, which is just offshoot of future in me anyway. But it's like no, they've literally created a whole genre of music and really I think Playboi Carti's problem is that, well, he's not future, he's not thug. So it's like it's not as good, because if you want to listen to what he does, go listen to the future, go listen to thug. And so I think for and listen to what I'm about to say for what box he actually fits in. He has some of the same problems that, like a big crit and a Wale have on a certain level, if that makes sense, like where it's like, oh no, like you're dope at what you do, it's just like you know the guys before you did it better, and so it don't hit as hard as it should.
Speaker 1:But I didn't enjoy the album at all, if you really must know. I didn't enjoy that, but I didn't enjoy the album at all. If you really must have I didn't. I didn't enjoy that and you can say that I'm old and that I'm out of touch and get off my lawn. I'll tell you that Georgia is a shoe that will stay. You should get off my lawn anyway.
Speaker 3:So you don't get shot, it's fine. I got a couple quick thoughts before we move on. Number one I know Cardi was, you know, out of it. I ain't going to say he was out of the game, but he did drop a project for over five years. But 30 tracks of Cardi is a lot. This is what I mean.
Speaker 1:You know he has such a big following that he went on tour last year. He went on tour last year with 7 Out Stadiums. He sold out 7 out last year.
Speaker 3:That's the next one. I was going to make the numbers for this album. Actually, the album did really well and I never thought I would see this. But Kendrick has now become the new stimulus package for you know what I'm saying feature artists. He's on three tracks on here. One is only worth talking about the good credit joint. But you know, drake was the stimulus package for artists before, but now it's kind of funny seeing Kendrick in that position.
Speaker 1:No, no, AG, we're not giving him that much credit. He'd been hearing me talking shit about that guest appearance catalog.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, he's more collaborative now.
Speaker 1:Well, that light pack he called a guest catalog.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what. That's what I was alluding to, cause I had a conversation with one of my homies and he was like you know what he was like, I don't even rock with Kendrick, like that. He said, but I would figure these Playboy Cardi features are beneath him, he's like to me, they like cheaping him. And I was like what do you mean? And he was like somebody of his ilk, somebody of like what he represents, getting on a record with Cardi, kind of cheapens who he is. And I didn't think he would make that move and I said, well, I disagree, because if you're going to be that guy to hold down that number one position, you got to make yourself more visible rounds correct you got, you got to make the features and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Because listening to the good credit song, I know people are over hyping it up, but he really phoned that record in y y'all. Let's be for real, let's be honest. And he did something familiar If you listen to the flow and the cadence on there. He's in his euphoria bag but he really phoned it in lyrically, you know what I'm saying. But he's in that euphoria bag. So when you hear it you're like okay, that's something familiar. So you kind of recycling and I'm not saying it's a bad thing, because rappers do it all the time like how you know, TV Off and Squabble Up is, in a way, recycled, not like us. You know what I mean and this is a Right, same BPM. Stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Once you get something out of the park and it's a hit. You know, you kind of stick to that formula, but I think he did that here. But I didn't agree with my homie with what he said because, yeah, it may you know, quote, unquote, mr Morale and all that stuff to get on a Cardi record. But if you're that number one guy you have to do that. You have to be more visible. You have to do these features. That's going to touch a different audience because a lot of people who are Playboy Cardi fans are not generally Kendrick fans.
Speaker 1:So he has to do those records. Let me give you some pushback. He don't have to do those records. See, he feels the pressure of all the things that he hasn't done that we've been talking about. He does Because here's the reality of the matter. Oh no, he's been big for a long time and he was the man before and still chose not to do this, like when he was at his actual what I feel artistic, lyrical and creative peak nary. A verse you could get out of him now.
Speaker 1:So it does seem like somebody is trying to correct past wrongs, but here's what it does and here's where your friend might be right about the cheapening. It's like fam, unless you've given us some album verse of the year, type of contender versus the way our all our other legendary mcs have guest appearances like that. Like, think about this some of our favorite verses from some of our favorite mcs ain't even on they damn albums. Some of our favorite verses from some of our favorite guys are not even on their album. Like some of my favorite scarface stuff is the stuff he did with Beans, mac and Brad. I love Mac and Brad, that's some of my favorite face and Beans stuff.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. He doesn't have enough of those moments. That's what I mean. It's like, oh no, where's the back and forth between Schoolboy Q and Kendrick?
Speaker 3:Right, those are the guest appearances.
Speaker 1:We wanted that.
Speaker 3:We didn't get right, right, and I think you said is to write previous wrongs, but I think it's more so of replacing the person who was in that spot before, like, okay, I took this person down, I got to replace what they did in that space, because even with 50, when he eliminated Ja Rule, he went to sing songy route to to inherit Ja's fan base, did he not? You kind of have?
Speaker 1:to do that AG you got actually were in my head because I thought about 50 when I thought about this. And here's the difference Now, 50 didn't just sing like Ja Rule, he did all the things that Ja Rule could do and then he did yeah, right. So there wasn't just the 21 questions, there was an in the club, there was a wankster, there was a back down, there was a mini-man. It's like, oh no, he hit you with everything that he had, not just the thing that his competitor had, he hit you with everything. And here's just the reality of the matter. No, drake has made a lot of these records hits, like a lot of those records that drake featured on are hits because drake featured on it with a kendrick feature. It's now officially become did he say anything about drake on the record? And I don't know if that necessarily translates to hit making ability, the way Drake's prime looks what up jar that's fair.
Speaker 3:And before anybody says that I'm hating on Kendrick, just know that I spent mad bread the other day because I'm taking my daughter to see SZA and Kendrick for the uh, the stadium tour. So before anybody says I'm hating on Kendrick, just gave Kendrick mad bread.
Speaker 1:So you want to know what I need to see when he's coming. I guess that would be a good graduation present for my daughter.
Speaker 3:We're pulling up to Charlotte. Man, come through, charlotte you coming to Charlotte May 3rd. My daughter's birthday is on the 24th, so that's a birthday present.
Speaker 1:Okay, graduation is May 22nd though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my son graduated.
Speaker 1:Graduation is like May 22nd, though May 31st, we locked up till graduation day really. I won't be there good to be watching kids succeed. We know you won't be there good to be watching our kids succeed.
Speaker 3:Sean will be at the Bobby Valentino and a Jay Holiday concert in state with five honey packs.
Speaker 1:With five honey packs oh, old school VHS looking like an old school essay.
Speaker 4:Oh man, shout out to Bobby Valentino. For real though.
Speaker 3:Valentino got some hits.
Speaker 1:Bobby Valentino getting this much airtime on Hip Hop Talks tonight.
Speaker 3:It is crazy.
Speaker 1:Cut that shit. Anniversaries AG speaking of Kendrick to Pimple Butterfly, March 15, 2015. Is to Pimple Butterfly? A classic? Is to Pimple Butterfly, Kendrick's best work? Overall thoughts and synopsis on to Pimple Butterfly, Mad Max, don't you say shit?
Speaker 3:My favorite thing about this album is it dropped on my birthday. My birthday is March 15th, so that's my favorite thing about that. But yes, if I'm being objective, it's a classic. Because the people say so, do I consider it a classic? I personally don't hold it like that. I would say it's his fourth best album to me because I even put gnx over to pimp to pimp a butterfly. I don't I don't hold it like that, as most people do.
Speaker 3:Um, but my favorite kendrick record of all time is on here. How much a dollar costs. Love that record. It goes back and forth between either that or Duckworth for my favorite song of his all time. But King Kunta I I mean there's some records on here, but overall I wasn't a fan of the production.
Speaker 3:It's real jazzy, kind of like a modern, what you would think a modern tribe album would sound like.
Speaker 3:And I've always had one thought in particular about To Pimp a Butterfly and it might be an unpopular opinion, but my thought that was always that Nas is, and people are going to say I'm blazing Nas or whatever, but Nas' untitled album ran, so To Pimp a Butterfly could fly In my opinion, because the themes that's on that album of Untitled.
Speaker 3:I think in 2008, when Nas dropped the N-word album, the world wasn't ready for it, right? But when you get around to To Pimp a Butterfly coming out, a lot of the white media was able to grab a hold of it and do these think pieces on it, because Kendrick is a little bit more safe with the same messaging and he made it more palatable and digestible for that group to take. So am I saying Untitled is a better album than To Pimp a Butterfly? I'm not saying that I prefer it, but I'm not saying it's better. But what I'm saying is Untitled is a necessary thing to happen so we can eventually get to To Pimp a Butterfly and it be heralded the way that it is respectfully, I do not agree with any of that.
Speaker 1:no, and I'm going to tell you why I don't agree with that, and this is where I'm actually going to give Kendrick some credit, so people will stop calling me a hater. Hit your record buttons, screen record this y'all. The main thing that I actually remember and how To Pimp a Butterfly made me feel after listening to the first time was this was the concise and concerted and focused effort that Untitled was not. The song structure is better, the songs and this is probably the only time you're going to hear me say this about a Nas project that is pretty well written. It's like, oh no, kendrick, to Pimple Butterfly is more well written than Untitled. The songs are better. The songs have a fullness to them that are equimini. It takes a nation of millions levels like in terms of completing a song from beginning to end, giving it all the crannies and little things to make the song complete. Untitled is uneven.
Speaker 3:I agree with all that. But what I'm asking you're talking about the quality of the records and the album itself. I'm talking about thematically is what I'm bringing up.
Speaker 1:I just I get what you're saying. How about this? I feel like Untitled is a micro view of our black social conditions. It's Nas taking micro pieces of our black condition like fried chicken and exposing the dichotomy of those macro things. Pimple Butterfly is a macro effort. It's an overall synopsis of the Black culture.
Speaker 3:Which makes it more digestible and palatable for audiences. That's not from our culture, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Because it is delivered in a way that feels more fully conceptualized than untitled. But that's the macro effect, that's fair, the micro effect. So I would agree with you on that. Yes, is it a classic? I'm going to have to tell you that it is. It's one of the more well-written pieces of work in hip-hop history. It has just enough special records on there, in my opinion, to call it a classic. I'm with you, ag. I think how Much a Dollar Costs is his best song. I go between how Much a Dollar Costs and Real off Good Kid Mad City.
Speaker 3:Those are my two. We forgot Mortal man. Mortal man Like yeah, oh no, I was about to get to Mortal man.
Speaker 1:That's what I mean when I say there's just enough classic stuff on here. Because on here, because mortal man is a is what I like to call an instant classic record. How much a dollar cost is a instant classic record? I think these walls is. When I heard these walls I was like this is this record, could have went on a quimini and it wouldn't have lost a step on a quimini, and I do think a few albums that's gotten five mics that actually earned every mic that it got.
Speaker 1:We'll be talking about that a little bit later too, and so I do think that it's a classic, but I'm going to say the same thing that I already said about it it's hard to ride to that shit, especially after 15 minutes.
Speaker 3:Where do you rank it in the catalog?
Speaker 1:When I go back and listen to it now. Ok, so it all depends on how you really want to rank things. Do I enjoy listening to damn more than I do listening to Pimp a Butterfly? I sure do.
Speaker 1:I can't in clear conscience tell you that it's better, because when he hits onto Pimp a Butterfly he hits like, I'm sorry, like as much as I think Duckworth is brilliant, I think how Much a Dollar Costs is one of the more brilliant storytelling moments in the history of rap and I think it's one of the more thoughtful moments where we talk about God in a manner that is truly digestible. It might be the most digestible song where we actually where God is the focus in the history of rap. It's like that. It's that special. So when you're hitting your mark like that as a writer, when you're making cultural anthems, like all right, when you're making thematic things that hit like mortal man, mama said you know hood politics? Yeah, it's, there's some stuff on there's, there's some stuff on there. There's some stuff on there, I can't deny. So I'm still going to tentatively tell you that it's his second best album.
Speaker 3:Yeah, y'all in the chat. That was cool, being fully objective giving Kendrick praise man. Don't say this dude hating on Kendrick man, like how about this.
Speaker 1:He gave him his love man Because he won the Pulitzer for this right. No, that was for Damn See. I think that's backwards. That's what I would tell you If you told me that he won the Pulitzer it might have been a make-up situation.
Speaker 1:They might have thought well, he deserves a Pulitzer, a make-up situation, because this is what I mean about it. Oh no, this is one of the few rap albums that actually deserves a pulitzer. Like it takes a nation, uh, death certificate. You know, like it's one of those types of albums in terms of the social commentary being so long lasting, so important, but so concise and so woven. In a way, the problem is that you can't ride to it. I would tell you that the beats could have been better. Because of that, like I feel like the beats could have been better. Because of that, I feel like the producer could have made it more digestible, because Kendrick is so concise and so intense and so in-vents and so hell-bent on achieving his goal and his message on here. It's like no, I feel like the producer should have gave him more shit to ride to. So I'd say the biggest problem with this album isn't Kendrick, it is the production. It's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Now we'll go to an album that doesn't deserve a music anniversary, but we're talking about it anyway, and that's Prime 2 by Royce Da 5'9" a DJ premiere March 16th 2018. Somebody tell me why the hell we're talking about this album.
Speaker 3:Yo, that's crazy, it's.
Speaker 1:AG moving out Am I wild you talking about Prime?
Speaker 3:2. I think the first one's a classic. But as far as this one, the first one's a classic. This one I don't like as much. Yeah, it's a personal classic, it's not a renowned classic but for me it's a personal classic.
Speaker 1:I really enjoy Prime 1 classic.
Speaker 3:It's hard what this duo brings. When we talk about who had you brought this up last show, who has the most chemistry with Primo, I think, outside of Guru, and then the obvious answers would be Nas. We talked about Big Jay Jay Rue. I brought up AZ. Remember we was talking about the format and surprisingly, nobody brought up Royce.
Speaker 3:This combination, like Boom, is one of Premier's best works. You know what I mean. And I think Royce over Primo production is a dope marriage. I think the thing that it's a dope concept. But I think why this one suffers is the box that they put themselves in when they came up with the concept of what each Prime album would be.
Speaker 3:They take, if you don't know, they take the production and sample from one producer, one producer's catalog, and Primo chops up all the beats from that. The first one was based off producer adrian young and then the second one, prime two, was based off the production of ant-man wonder. And that's challenging to limit yourself to one person's catalog to sample from. You know what I mean. Like somebody like risen could do that masterfully. I feel like you know what I'm saying because, would you say, sean 36 chambers only had like a handful of samples on their period. You know, yeah, the way he was just chopping stuff was crazy. But I think the second one suffered from the box that they put themselves in to just take from one person's catalog on the samples and stuff. But I still think it's a solid effort and I'm looking forward to prime three they're doing another one, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean it's gonna be on hold to this Nas joint drop, I assume. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I don't wanna hear you thought it was gonna come first better stop fucking playing.
Speaker 1:Alright, better stop playing. First of all, nobody told them, nobody told these niggas to be taking just samples from one producer and making an album out of it. Nobody asked you to do that. Nobody told you to do that, and so I'm going to be honest with you. I really enjoy Prime. I thought Prime was a sleeper album of the sleeper album of the year the year that it came out. It might have been one of my five favorite projects that year. I did not enjoy Prime 2. I did not. I did not find it to be productive. There's not a standout mic performance on there, in my opinion. There's not a standout beat on there, in my opinion, and I wish that these niggas would drop a prime three when you've been promising me a nas and dj premiere album. That, by the way, I told all of y'all. See when I be right, don't nobody say nothing.
Speaker 3:They'd be like no, you said it wasn't dropping. You said it wasn't dropping. Last year I told you.
Speaker 1:I told you this time last year. I was like, yeah, I said so, ilmatic's 30 years old. You think you getting a dj premiere nas album the year? Ilmatic is turning 30 and I'm the one that's done hard drugs like Kanye.
Speaker 3:But for the record, though, I think this one's a 3.5. The first prime I give a 4.5, so their overall discography is a 4 In my book.
Speaker 4:Respectable. Let's keep it moving, fellas. Let's get into some news.
Speaker 1:Yeah, erykah Badu and alchemists are working on a project. Guys, it's like we'll miss you out we'll miss you first of all, first thing I was thinking is well, no, no, I was thinking well, don't both of them have like green eyes? So maybe if they stare with each other, the reflection will keep him from being hypnotized like everybody else has been, because everybody else has been hypnotized, they're in trouble.
Speaker 1:Like you know, if you stay in the studio with her too long, she can be like the Virgin Mary she can just conceive right there. It's like immaculate conception shit going on with Badu. It's a very dangerous situation. I am looking forward to the fact that Erykah Badu can rap y'all. And what if this is an Erykah Badu rap album is actually what I thought about when I heard this, because she's very stylistically, she's very Bahamadi or Lauryn Hill-ish on the mic, like when she actually rap raps. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's an interesting concept, but I didn't think about that until you just said it. But we could be getting something like that.
Speaker 1:I only say that because when I heard this, you know what I thought about. Some of the first freestyles I ever kicked were over the beats to Baduism. Because that was the thing about Baduism that kind of made it so funky and different for the time. See, mary was rapping over East Coast hip-hop beats. Badu was swaying on shit that you could cipher to, no matter where you were from. You know what I'm saying, yep, and so when I heard that she was pairing with Alchemist, I'm like, is Badu going to give us some 16s? And here's the next thing that I thought Sean and you listen to this wherever you are. You listen to this too in the background somewhere. Oh, she better not give me a rap album before Lauryn Hill give me a rap album. Let this be a rap album. And Lauryn Hill ain't gave me no rap album. Erykah Badu, give me a Lauryn Sean you know I'm going ooh, that's possible.
Speaker 4:That is possible. I'm telling you that.
Speaker 1:I will be on here and be like and today is day number 4,976 that Lauryn Hill has not made a full wrap. I will come on here. It better not happen. She better be singing and scatting like Ella Fitzgerald on these Alchemist beats. For the sake of Lauryn Hill, I will come on here and I will show my ass, and that's all I got.
Speaker 4:It may happen. I'm looking forward to it. We'll see what comes from it. I'm scared of Erykah Badu so I'm not going to say, but so much Damn, coop and AG went out. It's the Erykah Badu stuff. See, that's what happens when you talk about Erykah Badu Everything goes black. Okay, cooper's back. See, let's get up to the Erykah Badu conversation, because both you and AG going black and just like that, I'm by myself. So, yeah, you're tuning in to the best right now.
Speaker 4:Erykah Badu, I'm out of here. I'm not going to say anything about her at all, because everybody else go black when Erykahcdew conversation comes up. So, um, I want to move on to something different. As soon as coop and ag comes back. Yeah, this don't feel good right now. Um, can somebody tell me a joke or something, because I don't know what's going on with these guys. This is crazy. Yo, ag, come back. Coop, come back. Yo, this is crazy. I'm the only one that got the internet working in my house. Ag and Coop, west Virginia. You know what it looked like over there. All right, my bad, that was just calling my bad. That nigga's bouncing off. That was everybody getting their body off of here.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no. My sister was just calling me. It kicked me out because my sister was calling me. All right.
Speaker 4:Yo, let's move on, because that got crazy. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:There's no telling what you were saying about Erykah Badu. I didn't say anything. I was still here.
Speaker 4:I was still here because I didn't say anything about Erykah Badu. I'm afraid of her.
Speaker 3:Always will be. I got nothing to say bad about it.
Speaker 1:Cam said she came at the same spot. He said he left. I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not playing. So I met Erykah Badu once I actually helped take care of. You'd love to tell about it. No, so Seven's fifth birthday party actually got held at my job. So I got to meet Erykah Badu and Andre Benjamin for the first time on the same day because they were celebrating their son's birthday. But the first thing I noticed I was like man, I was like Badu got a small frame and a saddle.
Speaker 1:That was in real time, you know this is before everybody had really seen it. This is before the Internet and like all that other shit. This is back in the day. This is like early 2000s. It's like, oh no, this is like, this is 2003,. I think, yeah, about 2002, 2003. Oh no, I seen her in real time. I was like, oh, I see why Andre stuck.
Speaker 4:I saw her in. Japan. I saw her in 2000 in Japan. She came over to Japan to do a concert and that night I had like a crazy dream. I was being chased by a bunch of bulls and she was weird. What the fuck I know? I say the same thing. That night I had a dream my dude had Sean in Spain. Now that is true. This is real talk. I can a dream, Badu and Sean in Spain.
Speaker 1:Now, that is true.
Speaker 4:This is real talk. I can't make this up. I had a dream that I was being chased by a bunch of bulls. I mean, I don't even know why I mean Sean.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you, you know, because I live in Atlanta. Most of these women down here are terrorists and Coochie is probably a weapon of mass destruction, but I mean Badu, the leader of the Taliban. I don't know, Look it's bombs over Baghdad for real when she show up.
Speaker 4:Okay, that state is like frankincense and myrrh and I was like man, it's a strong musk in the air. I didn't know when she came on the state it, it's a strong musk in the air. I didn't know when she came on stage what I could. Storm the musk in the air. It's kind of a musky idea, but it's not like a bad musk, it's like a weird strong musk. I'm like man. Something is happening. I'm like man.
Speaker 1:And look here Badu's legend is so real. Look here Badu's legend is so real. Look here One of my young G's, our mentor. He pulled up on me one day. He was like yo Coop, he's like when you post, he's like chicks that listen to Badu. They got locks and burn insets. Snap their fingers to your shit, nigga. She was like he's like, your shit is dangerous. Like Badu is dangerous. This nigga like 27 years old, he calling Erica Badu dangerous, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Al. It was a nice run, al. It was a nice run, uncle Al.
Speaker 4:When that musk hit the air. I was like man, this kind of little musky in here, but it's not bad. It's no real earthy like Mother Earth.
Speaker 1:We just need to go. We let Sean go too far. Let's go. Let's go to the end. Time to come back. Time to come back. We're going to have our real convo today. We had a convo last week when we were doing anniversaries about Tupac's Me Against the World, and our dialogue, you know, inspired me to do what I feel are Tupac's best 25 songs.
Speaker 1:Now a lot of people like the list and enjoy the list. Some people have had some critiques about some of the stuff on the list, and so I kind of want to remind some people about this list. Pac is an icon and a legend and one of the first real superstars that we had that everybody knew outside of the walls of hip hop. So when I'm making my list, I'm making my list with the entirety of his fan base in mind, not just us, right? Too often when we make these lists we think about just us. To quote Kendrick, there are people who are not like us. Yeah, like that little Kendrick love the day. Yeah, there are people who not like us that love Tupac and that listen to him for different reasons. Yeah, there are people who not like us that love Tupac and that listen to him for different reasons, and so I tried to encompass all of those experiences into making the list. So a lot of people have been giving me flack about how do you want it making the top 25.
Speaker 3:Man, I thought this was pretty flawless.
Speaker 1:Let me explain something to people. How Do you Want it Is one of Pac's biggest crossover records. Easily, easily. There are people who do not know. I Get Around, keep your Head Up, tupac that know how Do you Want it?
Speaker 1:Tupac, because of how Do you Want it? The first time that I heard how do you want it, my mom had one white friend growing up I was growing up. It was a woman named Kathy. The first time I ever heard how do you want it was in Kathy's Lexus, because Tupac was bald and was sexy and they made a song she could sing along to. He had crossed over into a different world. I had realized even when I was younger, because my mom's only white friend was bumping this shit too. You feel what I'm saying? Pac had that type of effect. And also to understand something Pac is the first rapper to really make a hit record and talk greasy while he's making the hit record. Are you listening to the stuff that he's saying on? How do you want to see Dolores Tucker?
Speaker 1:You a motherfucker. Instead of trying to help a nigga, you destroy your brother Worse than the others. Bill Clinton, mr Bob Dole, you too old to understand the way the game's told you lame, so I got to hit you with the hot facts. I'm out of jail making millions Niggas top that Niggas want to sense to me. They'd rather see me in my cell living in hell. Only a few of us will live to tell. Now everybody want to talk about us. I'll be the first one to bomb and cuss nigga, tell me how you want it and you don't think that shit's top 25, what's?
Speaker 1:the party record, who on a party record. So when people are given and this is what I'm about to say when people give big all this credit for doing all of those things on all his hit records, it's like, well, where do you think he got it from exactly?
Speaker 3:Sidebar question. Have y'all ever seen the uncut version of the how Do you Want it video?
Speaker 1:Have you ever heard the uncut version of how Do you Want it? Because Tupac actually wrote that hook and sung it and Suge got KC and JoJo because he's like nah, he's like you can't sing good enough and this is going to be a big record, let's call the homies. That's why, if you listen to the end of how Do you Want it, if you really listen to it, pac is laying the skeleton track, because it's him singing the thing but the uncut video, though.
Speaker 3:They used to play that joint like let's see to make another video on HBO, and they had the uncut video. This is before BET uncut, and let me tell you the joint was wild.
Speaker 1:Wow, I think I picked some obvious choices Pain Pour out on a little. So many tears, dear Mama, california Love, that's what I mean. He's actually one of the few artists that we have. This was a super easy list to make. Guys like he was big and bold and bad, but his best stuff was right in front of you. There was some stuff that I kind of like went back and forth about. Like crazy off of macaveli didn't make my list. I thought about that for a minute um I only had one great.
Speaker 3:The only grab I had was but I don't know what I would replace the only grab I had was changes, not making it I thought about changes.
Speaker 1:So how about this? I always thought I wonder if heaven got a ghetto and changes were the same record and I thought, if I wonder if heaven got a ghetto was always a better record. So that response.
Speaker 3:That's a fair justification in my book.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you got Crazy on there too, right.
Speaker 1:No. I don't have Crazy on there.
Speaker 3:Do you got the list in front of you for the people that didn't see it?
Speaker 4:I got it right here. No, I'm about to say I figured Sean probably had it there.
Speaker 1:I got it in front of God. Troublesome 96 was one of the ones that I thought about. That's what I mean. It's like, oh no, I could have easily did 50.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean. And Coop said in no particular order, so anybody throwing flack his way by the order. He said in no particular order.
Speaker 1:There are personal songs that I love more. Some of these records that didn't make my list, like God Bless the Dead, that's one of my favorite pop records. I love God Bless the Dead. You know what I'm saying. That's one of my shits. You know what I mean. Last Words with Ice-T and Ice Cube I love Last Words. That's one of my favorite pop records. It's like so I didn't do it, like bury me a.
Speaker 1:G yeah no there was plenty 50, but what I really tried to do is I tried to take the records that I felt like were his biggest, most important and also his best songs that maybe people weren't as acquainted with.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you covered all bases. For the ones that don't know, let's run through it real quick and this is no particular order, but this is Coop's list.
Speaker 1:This is a dope list.
Speaker 3:I get around. Keep your head up. Pain, pour out a little liquor. My block, dear mama. So many tears. Hail Mary, against all odds To live and die in LA, california. Love Brenda's got a baby. Ambitions as a rider, I ain't mad at you. No more pain. How do you want it? Picture me rolling, two of America's most wanted, if I die tonight, one of my favorites Hearts of men. All about you, me and my girlfriend. I wonder if heaven got a ghetto temptations and all eyes on me. Ok, so so. So how about this?
Speaker 1:So how about this? I was thinking like, ok, it's like I I picked. If I die tonight, do I pick a death around the corner or do I pick hearts of men? It's like, do I feel death around the corner more I do? What's the better beat? Hearts of men. What's the better delivery? Hearts of men. What's the better written song? Hearts of men.
Speaker 1:It's like the only thing that death around the corner really got over hearts of men is that the content hits you on a more personal level better when you are a young kid growing up in the projects and you're having suicidal thoughts. Not that kid anymore. Hearts of Men is a better record objectively. You get what I'm saying. So when people are talking about some of these POC records, it's like you might be talking about where you was in life because I had to separate myself. Because you connect the POC like that. I had to separate myself from my connection to the records to do the list. You know what I'm saying. Because if that's the case, it's like death around the corner is going in there personally over hearts of men.
Speaker 3:But when I listen to hearts of men and that fucking beat drop, I'm like, oh no, that's shit, crazy, it's crazy but you know what your list, list um, made me realize, though I think it would be hard press forressed for anybody and I mean anybody, excluding no one to beat Pocket of Verses there's only one small loophole. One small loophole, and that's if you get him on the production. That's the only loophole.
Speaker 1:And this is why I would tell you that the only person that could beat him is Snoop, and Snoop would have to play every last record from the Chronic and Doggy style to do it. He could play nothing else because he would lose Production-wise. The production on the Chronic and Doggy style is enough to beat Pac, but even I'm not sure if that's enough because, like well, pac has too much range. Well, how about this?
Speaker 3:Not a lot of people got a lot of records to beat Lil' Ghetto Boy off.
Speaker 1:The chronic Like Pac got a lot of records to beat Lil' Ghetto Boy Like how many niggas walking around like that. It's like oh, no, no, no, I can take that record off the board and I got plenty more to spend. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he actually has, like when nothing but a G thing drop, it's pretty much over.
Speaker 4:In theory, it sounds like when you start playing side by side, you'll realize I don't think anything's touching it.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, here's where he really wins. When the songs are comparable, then they come about. What you feel more, that's when you lose it to him.
Speaker 3:That's why I said production might be the only loophole. Pot was never known for great him. That's why I said production might be the only loophole, like, if you got cause, pot was never known for great production. You know what I'm saying, but that's the only loophole. I could see somebody getting them.
Speaker 1:So this is why all eyes on me is just so important. It's because it's like, well, all eyes on me is the records that compete with that doggy style chronic get richer or die trying, like you know, I mean those big, you know gotta go big, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So he's got that. So think about that. He's like well, he got you on the big records, he's got you on the personal records, he's got you on the content, like by a lot, unless you were not, or Chuck B or KRS-One, so you ain't winning. Like I said, snoop, if he played all the Chronic and Doggy style stuff, it's the best battle Everybody else is.
Speaker 4:And Coop is the connection he got you on, a connection he connects to the people way more than any other artist.
Speaker 1:Yep. This is what I'm saying, this is like oh well, you might think that somebody like, how about this? Oh, dmx is a better bar spitter than Pac. But even if he had to go against Pac there's. I remember Marvin Gaye used to saying to me he had me feeling like black was the thing to be. That resonates with our culture differently when he talks like that it's a game changer.
Speaker 1:It's a game changer when he talks like that. He's the only dude that ever really talked like that. Guys, he's a legend, right? He made our blackness so beautiful, even through the problematic parts of it. Talib had an album called the Beautiful Struggle. That would describe Tupac's style to a T. Tupac's style to a t. Like tupac's style is the beautiful struggle about like our culture and like as an artist. His style was a beautiful struggle too, you know so don't list though coupe.
Speaker 3:There's not really anything to nitpick about.
Speaker 1:Like I said, like like no, I see people dropping stuff in there like bomb first. It's like that's why I was telling people it. Oh no, I could have done an easy 50. Like when I got done with the 25, it's like I had another 20 records in my head, like I did that list. I did that list without needing to go through album credits or just you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's no, it's no. Hit them up on here is you don't have outlaws on here. You know what I'm saying? This is pot. You're getting full pot on this list.
Speaker 1:I did feel like how about this? I feel like the only time and this is why Bomb first isn't on there A lot of the time because he was so great them coming on did kill the momentum of some of the songs, some of them, and so I only picked, I think, two records that they were on and those songs were just so epic that you just couldn't ignore, and that's Hail Mary and All About you. Mm-hmm, yeah, like, even though they closed those records out, those records are just. He's too phenomenal on there to leave the records off. You know what I'm saying? He just is.
Speaker 1:Hail Mary is a bar seminar to me. Like when I first heard that, I was like yeah, I was like that's that's, that's arguable rhyme of the year. Think about that. That's one of the best lead-offs to a song that nobody ever talks about because of the content. I ain't a killer, but don't push me. Revenge is like the sweetest joy, mixed again pussy picture paragraphs unloaded, wise words being quoted. I peep the weakness in the rap game and sold it Prophecy Because he's the first guy to flip the game. He's the first one to make the song for the streets and for the girls. I peeped the weakness in the rap game and sold it. I'm that guy. He was talking his shit a little bit too yeah.
Speaker 1:People be like, oh, he wasn't this bar guy. It's like, oh shit, go listen to Hail Mary. It's like that sounds like bars to me. Yeah, five Deadly Venoms. No, no, no. I remember Five Deadly Venoms with Trench. That's what I'm saying. We could do this all day. Guys Do this all day, but yeah. But that's one of the best lead-offs to a song somebody talks about I ain't a killer, but don't push me Easily. Think about what he's saying when he's saying that I am a killer, but don't push me. Think about how many black men that actually feel that way every day when they wake up. That's that relatability that he provides that almost nobody else provides.
Speaker 1:He knows how to sum up pieces of our struggle in a bar in a way that nobody before I am a killer, but don't push me. That is like the sweetest joy next to getting pussy. Yo, that's. That's just as good as anything shakespeare ever wrote.
Speaker 4:Guys, no doubt, no doubt very matter of fact, it's very matter of fact and it gets straight to the point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, matt max. He is the first guy to really make hit records for ladies and make hit records for the streets. He is I'm sorry, none of the guys before did that. Rock him didn't do that. Slick rick didn't do that. Kane tried to do it. It did not happen successfully. People forget after Kane made Half Steppin' and Raw it was all songs for the ladies. That was part of the downfall. No, he did not do that.
Speaker 4:He did it in the same song at that. You got to toss it up where he's actually dissing someone and he's talking about the ladies in the same song.
Speaker 1:What is it? Papa Song off Strictly for my Name. That's one of my favorite joints he's got so many records, too, that I could go through. The only album that I'm not a big fan of while he was here was the first one. The rest of them I'm all big fans of, including Strictly. I love Strictly, probably more than the average person does, but that was one of my first hip-hop buy-ins, though no doubt Good list. And now to the main event.
Speaker 4:Yes, sir. So we need everyone's participation on this. I'm going to put a lot of polls for us inside the chats, so we need y'all to help us get through this. I said polls we should have talked about, said polls inside the chat.
Speaker 1:See, I'd like to apologize to the fans. When we started the show, I did not have my moderation list. Had I known that Sean was going to be putting polls inside the chat, we definitely would have X'd that part of the segment out.
Speaker 4:Now I'm hearing it. Yeah, you're right, angie's like I can't do this yo, let's get to it AG alright.
Speaker 3:So yeah, we about to. It's March Madness time. We about to get into the hip hop talks bracket. So yeah, sean had been talking. Yeah, nah, north Carolina all day and Michigan.
Speaker 1:Sean had been talking for a while. North Carolina shouldn't even be in the tournament, but that's another conversation for another day.
Speaker 4:I didn't dispute that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, West Virginia should be there, but that's a sore spot because I'm a North Carolina fan too, so we won't talk about that.
Speaker 1:West Virginia. Actually, North Carolina just took West Virginia's slot. That was the team that was supposed to be.
Speaker 3:I know it's bittersweet, because I'm a Carolina fan too, so I can't really say nothing, but I digress are you wearing Carolina blue Sean?
Speaker 1:what the fuck is going? Is that Carolina blue Nike? Yeah? Sorry you wow, yeah, just in case next week, when my team's still playing, I'm going to wear my Duke gear next week. I don't believe this is going to happen. You're from West Virginia. You're a North Carolina fan. You're from Queens. You're wearing a fucking target.
Speaker 3:Hey, north Carolina and Michigan, since I could read and write.
Speaker 1:The two teams Duke hate the most, that's right. North Carolina and Michigan Can't stand them both. All right, fair enough. All the bad things happen to all your teams this tournament.
Speaker 4:Right man. Your best player's brain is his ankle. Yo, like share subscribe. We have a lot of people in the views right now Like share subscribe. Let's keep it going. Okay, just scribe, let's keep it going.
Speaker 1:Okay, back to this. No, no, no. Kentucky doesn't count. Is Kentucky a team? Still, oh, damn Maybe next year guys, maybe next year guys, team sucks. All right, keep going. Ag Mars Madness.
Speaker 3:But yeah, like Sean had been talking for a while, to do a segment or a topic based around the content of the history of the albums that got five mics in the source. So what we want to present to y'all today is a bracket based on those albums that received five mics in the source. Because, let's be real, print media is no longer a thing. So I'll tweet today by I think it was a cat shout out to Old Ed Energy. He said he missed the Source Magazine era because you know this blog, the blogger is not it. You know what I'm saying. So we want to pay homage to the print media and source magazine era. But it's three different subsets of albums that got five mics in the source, the coveted five mics. For those of you who don't know, we got the albums that were actually awarded five mics. And then we got another set of albums that were retroactively awarded five mics because they were never rated.
Speaker 3:Most of those were out before the publication started rating albums because the source started in late 88. And a lot of those earlier albums 88, early 89 didn't get rated on the mic system. So they went back retroactively and gave a lot of these albums five mics that they feel deserved it. And then the final subset is albums that they got wrong, which, in their publication, they either gave a four and a half or, in some cases, a four mic rating. And they say you know what Our bad? We was wrong. We're going to go back and change this and give it five mics.
Speaker 3:And the issue that they did that in is issue 150, which was in 2002, for anybody who wants to Google it and look it up. So we have all those albums comprised here to do a break. Well, actually two brackets. The first bracket is going to be a playing bracket, sort of like the first four tournament to get into the big dance, and the 16 albums that make up the first bracket that we're going to go to are the albums that were never rated but they retroactively gave five mics. So only two out of those 16 will make it to the big dance list. So we're gonna go through that one first now, before people in the chat get to acting crazy and start talking about what was my favorite album got a uh so too late for that.
Speaker 1:It's two hours too late for that. It's 90 minutes too late for that.
Speaker 3:They already started so here's the thing there's no bias involved in the rubric that created the seedings on the bracket. The higher seedings went to the albums that were first awarded five mics the coveted five mics. The lower seedings went to the albums that were originally awarded a four or four and a half. They didn't get five out the gate, so by default they get the lower seedings, and then so on and so forth. So, starting from the top, if people's instinctives is one of the first albums to get it, let the rhythm hit them edutainment. So they get the number one and number two, top tier rankings, and so on and so forth, going through the history of the five mics, and then, like I said, the four and a half's and the four's, they get the bottom rankings and we meet in the middle. So that's how we did that, you know, shout out to my girlfriend like you know what I'm saying doing the visuals for the bracket.
Speaker 1:So hey, ag, what up? Do you mind if I submit something to you before you go any further your thoughts and Sean's thoughts on this. First of all, I think this is an excellent idea for you, by the way, so shout out to you this is an excellent idea. I didn't get to tell you in the chat earlier this week because I was busy when you put up and schemed everything, but I thought this was an excellent idea. I will tell you.
Speaker 1:It really did make me question, though why are we paying homage to the source? Because I'll tell you what. How right were they really, ag? Because when I'm looking back on it, I feel more led astray by them than I do really feel like they were ever really hip hop's Bible. They got way more wrong than they got right, and when I saw your bracket for the first time, I looked at the albums on the bracket that weren't originally handed five mics. There you go, yep, and I said to myself they're better, the albums that weren't originally handed five mics, or about the whoop, the album's asses who have five mics, was my thought. When I read your bracket, ag, I said these are the albums that didn't get five mics, going against the albums that did make five mics. I said the only album that got five mics, that's making it out of here alive, is Illmatic and there's not a fucking guarantee.
Speaker 3:When you see them beat together, it's kind of jarring.
Speaker 1:Let the rhythm hit them somewhere close to Doggy Style or the Chronic Gone Kaboom. And so it really made me think to myself what did you really get right outside of Illmatic and Equimini and I'm not fucking joking when I'm saying that Outside of Illmatic and Equimini, what five-mic album did they really get right in real time, like in our time, Because we weren't there for the first?
Speaker 4:four.
Speaker 1:The first four. Oh no, the first four were People. Instinctives. Let the Rhythm Hit. Edutainment, Edutainment and All for One by Brand Newbie right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was America's Most Wanted, was in there too.
Speaker 1:They were actually all in the same issue, like all the ones you just rattled off, right. So, okay, america's Most Might make it somewhere. And as much as I love Let the Rhythm Hit Em and I've waxed poetic about Let the Rhythm Hit Em more than anybody in this pod space- yes, that is a fact.
Speaker 3:That is a fact.
Speaker 1:Let the Rhythm Hit them. Ain't making it past no damn Cuban length well, we're about to see or a reasonable doubt we're about to see look here man that was the baseline for all of this yes, baseline. Ray Charles and Helen Keller can have a kid and they can see this shit that's about to happen. This shit is wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4:It goes against the conventional, it's unconventional.
Speaker 1:But I say this to say because think about it. Ag, correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't looked at the list in a couple of days. Is Supreme Clientele on here Because they gave that four and a? Half. Crazy Right, think clientele on here Because they gave that four and a half. Crazy Right. Think about Liquid Swords got a four. Doggy Style got a four. It's like hip-hop buy-in.
Speaker 3:What hip-hop buy-in. They didn't go back and give Liquid Swords five.
Speaker 1:They didn't go back and give Liquid Swords five. They don't.
Speaker 4:Everything you said. We'll do a part two to this, because everything you're talking about is what we actually kind of constructed the entire show on before doing it into a bracket.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying is is you're telling me it was hip hop's Bible. It's looking like Leviathan to me, though.
Speaker 3:Well, it is jarring when you see the groupings together, because the four and a half and the fives grouped together are better, in my opinion, than the actual fives. And then you got the ones that were never rated. But that's like the earlier legends and stuff. So this will get interesting. So we'll go ahead and do the play-in tournament first, and two will come out of that and they'll get the 16 seeds for the main bracket.
Speaker 1:I don't even. I don't you know what I was just thinking about. This, yo, and this is how I much enjoyed the Rufus project. I don't even mean to sidebar out of this. I was just thinking about some shit that Rufus said. Rufus was talking some gangster shit on there and it's like you gotta know the G's to even check some of the shit that he was saying on this project. I'm just thinking Like he was giving you some rules and shit on the project too. People need to peep that project Because he was saying some of the rules out too. Yeah, he was doing some teaching on there, right? So, yeah, so, ag, back to this whole you know source fucking up and you having to fix it with a bracket. I don't know about all that. That's what it sounded like when you said it. That's what we're going with.
Speaker 4:We created the algorithm.
Speaker 3:This is all original content right here. Let's get it All right. So this is the play-in tournament, people. So only two of this will come out alive and be the 16 seeds for the main tournament. So we got 16 albums for this play-in. On one side of the bracket, we got the number one ranked Run DMC self-titled album against the number eight seed. All Eyes On Me. Gentlemen, see what I'm talking about, you understand the word, because all I mean was never rated in real time they couldn't afford to not give him five.
Speaker 1:They never even gave him four and a half.
Speaker 3:For me against the world it was never rated in real time, and the reason why it's ranked that as an 8 seed because it was the last on the list based on. For those of you who are not following, it was the last on the list based on. For those of you who are not following, it was the last on the list in chronological order, you know, starting from all these that were retroactively given a 5. So that's why it's the 8 seed.
Speaker 1:So all eyes on me. Next Sean you in agreement. I agree Okay.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 1:People in the chat saying I'm up here playing like I can read this shit.
Speaker 3:I can't see shit alright, now we got the four seed by all means necessary up against, that's by BDP, by the way, against a five seed. Critical breakdown by ultramagnetic MCs.
Speaker 1:All means necessary. It's not even a conversation for me. No disrespect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Alright. Still on the same side of the bracket we got number three seed Criminal Minded by BDP, Up against number three seed Criminal Minded by BDP, Once again Up against number six seed Strictly Business by EPMD.
Speaker 1:I'm looking down productions all day again.
Speaker 3:I'm always more BDP than EPMD.
Speaker 1:So I'm not, it's not even that one's less conversational for me because Criminal Minded is superior by all means in my opinion, and yeah, I'm going to have to go Criminal Minded as well. I do too, man, conversational for me because criminal minded is superior by all means in my opinion, and yeah I'm gonna have to go criminal minded as well.
Speaker 3:I do too, man. Yeah, all right, we're still on the same side of the bracket. We got a two seed license to ill by the beasties. I love, like I do too, but it's going up against the seventh seed straight out of Compton just like that.
Speaker 1:See how it happen. It happen fast, like watch that plane get shot down in the sky. It's like that's my plane. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 3:That ain't your plane yo put y'all's votes in the chat. You know what I'm saying. We going through these alright. So we're on the other side of the bracket now. We got a number one seed, ll Cool J, with radio, versus the number eight seed, doc. No one can do it better Radio. I'm going DOC. I got to go radio. I'm going DOC Coop. I'm going DLC Coop. You might be the tiebreaker vote, bro, what you got.
Speaker 4:Matt, take it to the chat.
Speaker 1:When you got Coop radio is more important, but no one can do it.
Speaker 3:Better is better what are you advancing?
Speaker 1:no one can do it better, cause it's better it is, it's better it is. I'm sorry it is I love no One Can. How about this? No One Can Do it Better is one of those rap albums that I love more than the average person loves. It's one of those old rap albums that I go listen to still.
Speaker 3:One of the biggest what-ifs to hip-hop history.
Speaker 1:The, no, the the. How about this? The way I talk about Beans? No, I feel the same way about DLC. Yeah, I feel the same way about DLC.
Speaker 3:I do. It's okay to be wrong Sean.
Speaker 1:I got to get Steve. No one can do a better special dude. No one can do a better special. How about this If the DLC has the career that he's supposed to have? I can't even tell you that Scarface is the best rapper coming out of Texas, let alone the South. That's how serious DOC is. Yeah. If everybody knows how I feel about face. No DOC like that.
Speaker 4:Yep Go, listen to the product.
Speaker 3:For those of you who follow along, we're going to put both of the brackets up on socials. We're going to try to have that up tomorrow, over the weekend. You know what I'm saying, how this pans out. Same side of the bracket, we got a number four seed. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back by public enemy.
Speaker 1:How is that a four?
Speaker 3:Because there's no bias, it's chronological order.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, how you know they were released so when you say it takes a nation to millions in four, I go flag on the plate Off-size. Yeah, that's why I had to keep explaining it.
Speaker 3:So that was the only way to do the rubric, with no bias on where it landed, you know.
Speaker 1:What you mean Fourth greatest rap album ever.
Speaker 3:All right, mean four. What you mean? Fourth greatest rap album ever. Alright, so the number five seed is Long Live the King by Big Daddy King. Not enough, I'm gonna go with it. Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1:Everybody in agreement? I don't know. I love Long Live the King. How about this? Long Live the King is a hip-hop classic. It Takes a Nation to Millions is one of the best rap albums ever made, ever Absolutely and in some people's opinion, the best rap album ever made. How about this? Dj Premier's number one rap album of all time is it Takes a Nation to Millions. It's all this back and he helped put together Illmatic.
Speaker 3:Fair enough. Yeah, Next up, we got on the same side of the bracket. We got on the same side of the bracket. We got the three seed paid in full by Eric B and Rock M, Versus a six seed straight out the jungle by the Jungle Brothers.
Speaker 1:I think this is a pretty easy one.
Speaker 3:It's painful, yeah, payton full and it takes the nation are the two albums from the 80s that are probably going to go the furthest. Yeah. Now, on the same side of the bracket, the last matchup we got is the number two seed, raising Hell by Run DMC, versus the number seven seed, great Adventure with Slick Rick. Oh, my goodness, I knew it was about to lose again.
Speaker 1:Give me Slick, rick, it's Slick.
Speaker 4:You got it. I think it's about to lose again Give me. Slick.
Speaker 3:Rick, it's Slick. I think it's because of the time.
Speaker 4:I think it's just the time.
Speaker 1:When I was saying that no One Can Do it Better is one of the few old school albums I go back and listen to and listen to. Oh, the Greatest Adventures of Slick Rick is the album from that time that I go back and listen to the most. It's a pillow, it's a pillow. It's a cornerstone album.
Speaker 3:But now this is where it gets interesting, fellas, because we're down to our Elite Eight and remember what we're playing for. You're just playing for two finalist spots to get into the other bracket. We'll see what happens. We got All Eyes On Me versus by All Means Necessary. We'll see what happens. All right, we got all eyes on me versus by all means necessary.
Speaker 1:Taking all eyes on me. All eyes on me. I have to agree, I have to agree. Yeah, anthony, we're not putting polls up because the polls are going to take too long to collect the data, so we just literally need y'all to put them in the chat. But we are reading and looking in the chat. We do need y'all's participation in case we're in a deadlock.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if we're in a deadlock and can't decide, we'll take it to a poll in the chat Pause. Wow, that's crazy. Alright. So the next one we got Criminal Minded versus Straight Outta Compton.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Straight Outta Compton is inspired by Criminal Minded. It's literally the album Straight Outta Compton is inspired by.
Speaker 3:I'm still taking Straight Outta Compton for myself.
Speaker 4:That's tough bro. Yeah, this is where it gets tricky. I'm going to need to chat.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I can do that. I don't know if I can do that. I think super highly of both of those albums, but I couldn't tell you which one is really more important. Because Criminal Minded is just as landmark for East Coast hip hop groups as Straight Outta Compton landmark for East Coast hip-hop groups as Straight Outta Compton is for West Coast hip-hop groups.
Speaker 3:People have to understand.
Speaker 1:Criminal Minded. Okay, because people look at KRS-One and need to understand this. It's like oh no, the KRS-One that you know is not the KRS-One that's on Criminal Minded. The KRS-One that's on Criminal Minded is more like Ice Cube on Straight Outta Compton and Ice Cube will tell you who was your motivation on Straight Outta Compton, krs-one on Criminal.
Speaker 3:Minded Big facts, him and Chuck D for sure.
Speaker 1:Chuck D on the social comments here. If you ask Ice Cube where that gangster shit is, no, that's KRS-One from Criminal Minded KRS of the gangsta first before he became a general.
Speaker 3:What do y'all want to say? First one to 30 votes 30 a good number.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't do that Right now we are at 50%.
Speaker 4:Is there a lot? 51% right now? Criminal minded. What's the vote count? Let me see if I can see the vote count. I have to end the what's the vote count. Let me see if I can see the vote count. I have to end the poll to see the vote count. Can't do that.
Speaker 1:No, I can't do that to criminal minded, not in clear conscience. It's too big, because it's got my 9mm Because straight out of Compton's got to express yourself. Fuck the police and straight out of Compton. But criminal minded's got my 9mm goes bang. South Bronx bridge is over.
Speaker 4:Yo, it is dead. It's still 50-50? It's 53. I can stop it right now. That's tough.
Speaker 1:That's the toughest question we've had, maybe on this show since we've done this show.
Speaker 3:Is 53 for BDP.
Speaker 4:Let me check. I had to end the poll. If I end the poll right now, which I just did, it would Strata Compton 52. That's 38 votes, 52%. Strata Compton 47% criminal-minded.
Speaker 3:All right, it moves on Fair and square way, either way.
Speaker 4:That's a tough one.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 4:You probably can't go wrong with album one. Yep. Either way.
Speaker 3:Either way, we're on the other side of the bracket. We're trying to complete our final four on this side. So we got DOC. No One Can Do it Better. Up against it Takes a Nation.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 3:DOC.
Speaker 1:Yep, good night. Good night, yep.
Speaker 4:You agree, Sean? No, I agree. It's not even a question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but wait till y'all hear the next one, paid in full, versus the Great Adventures of Slick Rick. Good grief, I'm sorry, rick, but I'm going paid in full. That's hard to do but I got to go paid in full. Y'all, man up and make a decision. Man, put y'all big boy pants on, y'all killing me. Man, y'all trying to be all diplomatic and shit.
Speaker 4:You know how I feel about Slick Rick man. Okay, so how?
Speaker 1:about this. There's only two rap albums, in my opinion, that actually have four of the 100 greatest hip-hop songs. Two rap albums, in my opinion, that actually have four of the 100 greatest hip-hop songs of all time on one album, and these are actually the only two albums that have them in my opinion, because Peyton Fool has my Melody. Eric B is President. Peyton Fool, I Know you Got Soul and Slick and the Greatest Adventures has Mona Lisa Children's.
Speaker 4:Story.
Speaker 1:Teenage World and hey Young Love. I think those eight songs are all top 100 songs and I love Slick Rick, but Payton Full's a top five rap album to me still to this day, and I'm picking Payton Full as much as it pains me.
Speaker 3:That's two out of three. So even if Sean picked Slick, Rick Peyton Full moved on.
Speaker 4:Even when I end the poll, Paul's on. I think the poll had it. Let me see where we got it. The poll got Peyton Full winning. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Don't ever ask me to do this again on live television.
Speaker 3:This is the play-in tournament. This is the qualifier.
Speaker 1:This is ridiculous. I'm getting stressed out. I need to smoke in the show, all right.
Speaker 3:So we got our final four, all right.
Speaker 1:Okay, not okay.
Speaker 3:Our final four, for just the play-in, so it's going to come down to two. All right. So on one side, this is for you get qualified to move on to the other bracket. We got all eyes on me versus straight out of Compton. I'm taking all eyes on me. We're moving to the other bracket.
Speaker 1:I'm taking all eyes on me. I am, I'm with you All eyes on me.
Speaker 4:I am, I'm with you. All eyes on me.
Speaker 1:I'm taking Tupac with me everywhere.
Speaker 3:I go Every other video. I'm with you, Coop. What say you, Sean? All eyes on me. It's a tough one, but all eyes on me. I'm with you On the other side. For the other qualifier we got, it Takes a Nation versus. Paid in Full.
Speaker 1:I won't, I won't do that.
Speaker 4:Let's chat that one. I won't do that.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say Paid in Full for me. Because I can stand on my opinion, I'm going to say Paid in Full for me.
Speaker 4:You saying Paid in Full.
Speaker 3:For me. We'll see what the chat says says we'll roll with whatever the chat says.
Speaker 1:Do you want to know the truth? Ag, at my core, I can't agree with that because it takes a nation of millions. It's too important, I get it. It's no, it's this is. This is the one knock I'm going to give on the short classic. And when I mean the short classic, the paid in full, the Illmatic, oh no, when somebody makes a purple tape or it takes a nation to millions, there's some trump card in the amount of classic records that are made, and what I will tell you is that Rakim's songs are more memorable on Paid in Full, but he doesn't have as many. What up? How are you Food upstairs? Daughter, just got home. You know teenagers, cars, no doubt I get it.
Speaker 3:I had that same conversation with somebody else, I can't remember who it was one time Coop. We were talking about Cuban Link versus Illmatic, and Cuban Link would have a very good argument against Illmatic because, like you said, to maintain that greatness over a larger amount of tracks is harder to do. But in that particular comparison, though, it's a cheat code because Raekwon had a ROM partner in Ghostface, so it's technically like a dual.
Speaker 1:The thing that makes Illmatic better than the purple tape is the timeless theme Song for song. Purple tape is beating Illmatic too. That's why I have it at number two, because if we're actually talking objectively, if you're doing what Jay-Z says at the end of volume three, which is to pull your CDs out and go song for song, well nobody's beating the purple tape or it takes a nation If you're just going song for song.
Speaker 3:We might come across that match up here shortly. We're going to see All right. So y'all ready for it.
Speaker 4:What the chat got us yeah.
Speaker 1:So this is what I mean Illmatic and Paid in Full. Have the impact Purple and paid in full, have the impact Purple Tape. And it Takes a Nation of Millions actually have the classic songs. Like 12 of them, like 12.
Speaker 1:There are 12 classic records on it Takes a Nation of Millions. No, no, no. There's only one or two or three rap albums that have 12 classic songs on them. Guys, it Takes a Nation of Millions is one of them. The Purple Tape would be the other one. The rest of the shit we can argue about.
Speaker 3:Those are the only two albums I know for certain that have 12 classic songs on them, but did it make it out alive though Did it make it out alive in the chat what we got?
Speaker 4:It takes a million, got 62%, paid in full 37%. Okay, so when I'm doing my list, I Okay.
Speaker 1:So when I'm doing my list I usually have these albums right next to each other, but I usually have it. Takes a Nation One Step, all right.
Speaker 3:So we got our two qualifiers, so All Eyes on Me gets in. That's great.
Speaker 4:All. Eyes on Me gets in the tournament Great qualifiers.
Speaker 3:All right, sean, you want to put up the graphic of the main tournament.
Speaker 4:While I write these in real quick. Is it sitting right here?
Speaker 3:AJ, yep, alright. So I think we're ready for the real deal, the main event. Let's go. Alright. So we got. This is around the 32, so we got a lot more to go through Mad Max if you don't think it takes.
Speaker 1:a nation of millions has 12 classic rap songs on it.
Speaker 3:you don't know shit All right, we're going to start on one side of the bracket. We got, like I said, to refresh y'all's memory, if it's got a high seed it's because there was one of the earliest albums to get awarded five mics from the source one of the earliest and depending on when the album dropped and when it was awarded five mics, you know we went in chronological order so it was no bias. The lower seeds, like the 14s and 15s of the world, those are the albums that either got a four and a half or four. If you got a four, you got a lower seed than the four and a half, but they were they were retroactively a great uh graded on five mics. So if you have any questions on the seating, so let's get into it. So my album's about to get slaughtered? Yeah, all right. So on one side of the bracket we got a number one seed People's Instinctives by Tribe versus All Eyes on Me by Pop.
Speaker 1:Good night. Good night, thank you for coming out. This has been Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 4:Bible, my ass. This is what I'm talking. Hop talk Bible, my ass. This is what I'm talking about Bible, my ass.
Speaker 1:You didn't rate all eyes on me, but you gave people the instinctive five mics. You know what's controversial.
Speaker 3:I don't think that people's instinctives is their second five mic album other than low end theory. I think it's Midnight Marauders, and Midnight Marauders don't have five correct.
Speaker 1:You know what they gave Midnight Marauders, right no, it's not on here.
Speaker 3:They got people's instinctives.
Speaker 1:They're low in theory. That's what I'm saying, but they gave Midnight Marauders four.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they didn't correct that either. They didn't go back and give it five.
Speaker 1:They didn't go back and change it. Okay, that is like giving Judas the land instead of Abraham. No Bible Land belong to Abraham, all right.
Speaker 3:So next will be an easy round, but a controversial round. This is on the same side of the bracket. We got a number eight seed Trill OG by Bun B, which a lot of people don't feel like. That should have been awarded five mics but it actually got five. Not a five Versus a nine seed death certificate by Ice Cube.
Speaker 4:Death certificate, next one Moving on Next.
Speaker 1:Next.
Speaker 4:Trill.
Speaker 1:Burger and Bun B. That was a Bun B, alright.
Speaker 3:That was easy, but this next round ain't so easy. We got a number 5 seed Life After Death, versus a number 12 seed Chronic 2001. I'm going Life After Death.
Speaker 4:I gotta go. Life After Death man.
Speaker 3:I hate to see Chronic 2001 go so early, though I'm not as big on 2001, as everybody else is.
Speaker 1:It is a masterful production job. The songs that are great are all-time great. It's not the end-to-end player that Life After Death is the highs are high.
Speaker 4:The highs are really really high.
Speaker 1:The highs are as high as you can go as you can go the highs as high as you can go right.
Speaker 3:What's people saying in the chat? What's the chat looking like?
Speaker 1:everybody's saying life after death life after death that's what's up, yeah, we only got one chronic 2001 yeah, that's the most loving ass.
Speaker 3:Niggas too let's keep it moving. On the same side of the bracket we got a number four seed the low-end theory by Tribe Called Quest again versus a number 13 seed, doggy Style, which originally was awarded four mics. That's why it's so low-seeded.
Speaker 1:Doggy Style's up against the low-end theory.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going doggy style.
Speaker 1:I'm going to move my mic right quick because I'm about to say some things at a very young age yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see what he's saying.
Speaker 4:Coop's saying he like it doggy style in the low end. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. Yo Coop is saying some nasty. What was going on?
Speaker 3:Andrew texted me About this. He was like yo man, that's a crazy matchup.
Speaker 1:Yeah so. So In my opinion, these are two of the ten best rap albums ever made.
Speaker 3:Yeah, one's in the top five, and that would be Doggystyle. In my opinion, these are two of the 10 best rap albums ever made, yeah.
Speaker 1:One's in the top five, and that would be Doggystyle, because if I'm making a top 10 list, usually when I make my top 10 list, I do find the low-end theory falling around 8, 9, or 10. Usually 9 or 10. And Doggystyle usually falls.
Speaker 4:That's tough.
Speaker 1:Like after the purple tape in Illmatic, like three, four, five.
Speaker 3:You didn't say your vote yet, sean, but me and Coop both agree doggy style. So what you got? I mean majority rules, but I got doggy style.
Speaker 1:The people are saying low end. The people are saying low end in the chat. But that's the East Coast bias, y'all tripping.
Speaker 3:You're not tripping.
Speaker 1:Our panel of three all said doggy style, so you're not tripping if you think the low end theory is better than doggy style. You're just not right. Like how about this? The low end theory is one of the best production jobs in rap history. Doggy style might be the best production job in rap history, guys it's in contention.
Speaker 1:It's in contention for the best production job in rap history. Like history, song wise, as much as I love the records on low end theory, this is where this is where and I hate to say it like this no, this is where the hit records do matter. Say it like this no, this is where the hit records do matter. It do because if the songs are comparable, the albums are comparable. It's like, oh no, you're not about to sit up there and look, here we got the jazz. Ain't beating fucking gin and juice nigga. I'm like no.
Speaker 4:That is not how this program works. It's not.
Speaker 1:It's not how this program works. It's not.
Speaker 4:It's not how this program works. It's not.
Speaker 3:We all three were in agreement. Nobody even pushed back on that. I know the chat said low end, but we all three were in agreement on that one.
Speaker 1:I'm still playing doggy style like I'm in eighth grade. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4:As you should. This next round is tough, should this next round is tough.
Speaker 3:This next round is tough. I know my answer, but it's still tough nonetheless. We're still on the left side of the bracket. We got a number 6 seed in the blueprint versus a number 11 seed in the infamous which originally why is y'all laughing, man? You know my ass. For those who don't know, the Infamous originally got four and a half mics, but it's an 11 seed against the Blueprint.
Speaker 1:We're aware. We're aware of the four and a half mics.
Speaker 3:So I got the Infamous. Sorry, the Blueprint has to go like this Early.
Speaker 1:First're aware.
Speaker 3:We're aware of the four and a half mics, so I got the infamous.
Speaker 1:Sorry, the blueprint has to go like this Early First round upset. Early Good night. Because this is what I mean. So how about this? This is what I mean when I'm talking about how this shit goes. Oh no, the infamous is a borderline top ten rap album all time to me. Yeah, yeah For the Jehovah Witness people that come after me.
Speaker 3:This is just how the joint failed. This is just how the matchup ended up. Man, glad they're going to be looking for your ass.
Speaker 4:I just put the poll up because I don't want no one to say Sean is hitting on Jay. I don't want any of that.
Speaker 1:So I just put the poll up, just in case man like real talk there ain't a New Yorker walking around that really thinks that the blueprint better than the infamous? Don't nobody think? That.
Speaker 3:Don't nobody think that it's a lot of people that yeah, Nah, Coop, Nah.
Speaker 1:Coop. Okay, how about this? Those people, those people don't know shit. That's what I mean. Sometimes you got to let people know who they are. They be like, oh, you feel that way. It's like it's okay, you don't know shit, it's okay, we post this on social media.
Speaker 4:We're going to have somebody that's going to do mad shows on it.
Speaker 1:They're not doing shows and getting 12 views right now.
Speaker 4:They're going to do Twitter fingers on it. They're going to be like yo. This is.
Speaker 1:They're going to take the fake following from Facebook and multiply it by the fake following on Instagram and then divide it by the fake following on Twitter and try to get 55 views.
Speaker 3:They're going to jump out the window without even knowing the rubric. They're going to look at the seedings like well, how do you get these seedings?
Speaker 4:They're going to look at the seedings like, well, how do you get these seedings? They're going to say to me blueprint is better than infamous.
Speaker 3:My bad EG. Yeah, blueprint. Nah, it's the infamous. Did you even put a poll up?
Speaker 4:I did. I'm sure it's what it was.
Speaker 1:Somebody deserves to get hit with a poll if they think that the blueprint and the infamous are comparable. The infamous. Has I Somebody's already hit with a? Poll if they think that the blueprint and SMS are comparable.
Speaker 4:I mean, think about this it's 84%. Infamous, okay, we can move on. We can move on, yeah.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 4:That's three volts. Give up the goods.
Speaker 1:Shook ones Q you hectic the fittest Like drink away the pain Up north. Trip Temperatures rising Starting.
Speaker 4:I like to thank the Blueprint for coming out.
Speaker 3:Good night. This next one's pretty easy too. So we got A number three seed. Brand newbie and one for all. One of the first albums Awarded five mics. It's not going anywhere. What'd you say? Brand newbie and one for all One of the first albums, awarded five mics.
Speaker 1:It's not going anywhere. What'd you say? It's going down. You don't even got to read me another album. It's going down, go ahead.
Speaker 3:It's number 14 to Me Against the World by Pop Going down, you're moving Down, good night.
Speaker 4:AG and everybody get mad tweets. What's that? Everybody get mad tweets. What's that? G-buddy get mad tweets tomorrow you ain't no doubt, right.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on, hold on. At least maybe they'll tweet at me instead of just stealing my shit, your shit, ag's shit. Maybe tweet at me and have a conversation with me before you steal my shit. Be like hey, I sold it to Coop after we argued about it. It's like okay, this like hey, I stole this from Coop after we argued about it.
Speaker 3:It's like okay For those who don't know Me Against the World got a four and its original rating got a four, mike. So we're still on the left side of the bracket. We got a number seven seed the Fix, versus a number 10 seed 36 Chambers. I hate to do it to face, but it's not a conversation.
Speaker 1:It's not a conversation you know I feel about face. It's not even a conversation.
Speaker 3:No Moving on this last round. On the left side of the bracket I feel like it's just for Coop.
Speaker 1:It's all bad. I already know what you're talking about, because that's the part of the bracket that I looked at. I was like, yeah, I'm out on this bullshit.
Speaker 3:We got a number two seed in Let the Rhythm Hit them versus a number 15 seed in Reasonable Doubt. Give me Reasonable Doubt, man. Y'all think we hate OJ until we don't.
Speaker 1:It's Reasonable, doubt, it's Reasonable.
Speaker 4:Doubt, but that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. You know what I mean. If you just would have gave Jay the five that he actually earned earned we would be having these problems today what you got, sean. Bible. Sure, this ain't the tour like the first five.
Speaker 3:I'm going to make you say it.
Speaker 4:Reason without doubt. Alright, he said it. I'm going to make you say it. Risen without a doubt, risen without a doubt?
Speaker 3:All right, he said it like mad low. It was barely audible.
Speaker 1:No, I love Let the Rhythm Hit Him. It's just, it's More than anybody More than anybody I love. Let the Rhythm Hit Him.
Speaker 3:It's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1:It's one of my personal favorite rap albums. Nah, Rockhead was rapping his ass off on that album for wrapping his ass off. It might be his best lyrical album. While you know, it is like I tell people lyrically for me, like, let the rhythm hit them is only superseded by it was written and not by a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, those two we on the right side of the bracket now. So we got a number one seed in edutainment by Boogie Down Productions and a 16 seed that just got in. Takes a nation by PE. Told you it's not going far, told you.
Speaker 1:It's not going far, yep, it's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3:So we got to take an agreement takes a nation, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's their fourth best album versus Public Enemy's first. Yeah.
Speaker 3:All right, moving on, we got an eighth seed. We talked about this guy earlier Kanye West, my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Fun fact, this was the last album to get ranked five mics by the source when it was in publication. The very last one.
Speaker 1:They got this right. It's a five mic. They got it right.
Speaker 3:Yes Versus the number nine. Seed Breaking Atoms by Main Source, where Nasty Nas made his first guest appearance.
Speaker 1:Give me my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy. I agree, what you got, sean Queens, get the money. Of course you do. Of course you do. Are you for real? Yeah, I'm sorry, are you for real? I will tell you this. I will tell you this about Breaking Adams, though it's the most underrated rap classic prior to 1992. Prior to Of all rap albums made before 1992, it's the most underrated of all the classic rap albums made before 1992.
Speaker 1:It's the most underrated of all the classic rap albums before them, in my opinion it doesn't get it's due but my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy special it's not moving on, sean, sorry.
Speaker 4:I get it.
Speaker 3:I feel like this next round is just for Coop. We got a number 5 seed.
Speaker 1:Equimini.
Speaker 3:Okay, no, we're not there yet, equimini 5 seed by OutKast versus Purple Tape by Raycon yeah, this was the one that I read.
Speaker 1:Now, what Outkast versus Purple Tape by Rick Dorn and 12th Street. This was the one that I read. That's the one.
Speaker 4:Now what yeah?
Speaker 3:Equimini is a masterful album Masterful.
Speaker 4:So here's, what.
Speaker 1:I tell you, equimini is one of the few rap albums that competes with the Purple Tape, song for song. And I'll tell you that when I had Equimini ranked higher than the Purple Tape at some point, it was because of a couple of records that I felt like gave Equimini a more full feel than the purple tape, and that's Spody, odie and Liberation. Now, song for song, I'll tell you there's not really a rap album that's better than the purple tape, but the content on Equimini is actually better than the content on the purple tape. It may not be executed better, but the content's better. The production's not better. You say all that to say it's not better. It's the purple tape. Just take the purple tape, leave me alone, don't want to talk, I don't want to talk by far.
Speaker 3:That was the toughest round in this first round. For sure Not for me. It's not for me. I'm sorry, coop, I know you wanted to see your boys make it further Hold on.
Speaker 1:Did they ever go back Hold on, hold on. Is Southern Playalistic on here? Did they go back and give Southern Playalistic five mics? No, sir, okay, there'll be no Bible over here, okay. You know what? There's going to be weeping and gnashing of teeth over here. There'll be no hip hop bible. Weeping and gnashing of teeth lakes of hellfire. He got a point lakes of hellfire for the Leviathan.
Speaker 3:I feel like this next round is a buy in. I mean, I feel like this next round is a buy round. But you know I ain't going to be too disrespectful, but we got a number 4 seed in Illmatic versus a 13 seed gripping on that other level by the Ghetto Boys. No, don't do that. Don't do that. You are wild disrespectful, bro. You are wild disrespectful. What is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 4:My bad man, my bad, we're just going to take Illmatic and keep it moving.
Speaker 1:I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful. What is wrong with this guy? My bad man, my bad. All right, we're just going to take Illmatic and keep it moving.
Speaker 3:I just said I wouldn't try to be disrespectful when he bust out laughing.
Speaker 1:You have to stop laughing at him. Just go to the next.
Speaker 3:Jesus man, you can't take him nowhere. All right, All right. Now hear me out. Hear me out. Number six Stillmatic versus the number 11 seed that originally got four and a half mics Ready to die.
Speaker 1:Ready to die.
Speaker 4:Yo man.
Speaker 1:I have to agree.
Speaker 4:Because the streets is a short stop.
Speaker 1:Either you sling and crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot, shot.
Speaker 3:I have to agree, reddy does better than Stillmatic, but not it was Rick. It ain't better than stop that, sean. It's not a conversation it's closer than a lot of people want to admit, like to think the first 10 tracks of Stillmatic is like a highlight reel that nobody. If he cut Stillmatic down to less tracks, it would slapbox with Illmatic in a lot of levels. Can we go to the polls? But he didn't do that. It won't win. You can put it on the polls, but damn Pause. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Do a hip-hop poll. I put a lot of girls on polls in my day, AG, Don't feel bad you but Ready to.
Speaker 3:Die should win and it will win.
Speaker 4:Ready to Die should win this I don't know, man, we have a Nas base man.
Speaker 3:I'm not doing this. We're going to have to recount the votes like Florida. Hold on me and.
Speaker 1:AG already. We're not doing this, we're going to have to recount the votes like Florida Hold on Me and AG already picked, ready to Die anyway, machine Gun Funk Ready to.
Speaker 3:Die it's majority rules. I have to be objective. Nod my gob, I got to be objective no we're not having this conversation.
Speaker 1:Juicy's on Ready to Die.
Speaker 4:Even my skin, my goodness.
Speaker 3:It's Ready to Die.
Speaker 4:We're going to be ready to die. Yeah, all right, yo Nas, I tried.
Speaker 3:We let Nas try.
Speaker 1:You got Illmatic. Illmatic is still bugging around.
Speaker 4:Let me see what it said. Real quick, the chat has it just that quick. Y'all bugging too. They got damn. They got still mad at 61%, ready to die 38%. I swear to you, I'm looking at it right now I swear to you. Now how are?
Speaker 1:y'all going to talk about Kanye when y'all going to sit up here and do some Kanye shit?
Speaker 3:It's ready to die dog. We can't do that.
Speaker 2:We can't be that biased. It's ready to die. Dog, we can't do that. We can't be that biased it's ready to die.
Speaker 1:I'm not Chatting around with you. It's ready to die. I'm not arguing with you about this shit.
Speaker 4:Go on socials and blast AGM. Kufa Pitkin Ready to Die with Stigmatic Believe me.
Speaker 3:I tried to stir it. I'm already going to get blasted. I came up with the Rubik for the bracket.
Speaker 4:They ain't going to hate on me anyway All right.
Speaker 3:This next one is kind of interesting. I know my answer, I know Coop's answer, but it's kind of interesting. Round we got a number three seed De La Sola's dead versus a 14 seed Scarface the Diary which originally got four mics. I'm going to Diary.
Speaker 1:I'm going to Diary, I'm going to Diary Love, the Diary Personal favorites when you roll into your motherfucking hood. Tell me what you see.
Speaker 3:This is another buy round. I feel we got a number seven seed, a controversial album that was awarded five mics in real time. The naked truth, by little kim versus a number 10 way bigger, versus a number 10 seed that originally got four and a half mics, is the chronic. So okay.
Speaker 1:First of all, the chronic is blowing this album out of the water, yes, but I didn't necessarily agree with the naked truth by Kim getting five mics. But it is a great album. Here's my complaint. Here's my complaint.
Speaker 3:It's not great. The album is great. It is a great album. But here's my complaint.
Speaker 1:I think LaBellaia is a far superior album to the Naked Truth. I think they're comparable. I think La Bella Mafia is slightly better, but this is why I tell people Kim is number one on my list. It's like oh no, kim got Hardcore. The Naked Truth, la Bella Mafia, the Notorious KIM.
Speaker 3:Calla Long Dog. The Junior Mafia album is really like you know because she's like, you know, that is a highlight reel.
Speaker 1:Lil' Kim on the Junior Mafia album is a highlight reel, SportsCenter Top 10.
Speaker 3:Not to mention her feature run Highlight reel. I like this next round. It's a weird matchup but I like it. We got and this is the last one on this side of the bracket we got a number two seed in America's Most Wanted by Ice Cube, versus a number 15 seed that originally got four mics. Oh Lord.
Speaker 1:The score by the Fugees. Oh no, Give me America's Most. I'm taking Cube as well. Give me America's Most, what you got.
Speaker 3:Sean America's Most.
Speaker 4:Gang, gang, fool, fool Score. Got hot hot.
Speaker 3:The fillers are not Yo, this is mad fun. This is where it's going to get a little interesting. It's going to get a little crazy. So we at our sweet 16 Now. So we at our sweet 16. Alright, to the left side of the bracket. We got all eyes on me. Versus death certificate.
Speaker 4:Damn, Damn. Let me go to the. I go to the poll automatic.
Speaker 3:Nah, because y'all, y'all, some cowards, man. Y'all ain't saying the truth.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm going to tell you the truth.
Speaker 4:He said death certificate right. For me, it's death certificate.
Speaker 1:How about this? I think Tupac is greater all time than Ice Cube what? But there have been very few rappers that have been as great for one album that Ice Cube is on Death Certificate and as much as I love pop, as much as I love Pop, pies on me and I even think the production genre is better, I even think the songs are bigger. Death Certificate is a moment for a rapper that very few rappers has had and I'm taking Death Certificate. I'm taking the moment because I think Ice Cube's Top 10 MC moment is Death Certificate.
Speaker 3:Death Certificate don't get enough love. In my opinion it doesn't. It's one of the best albums ever made.
Speaker 1:Right, how about this? Death Certificate is better than Good Kid Mad City? Yeah, in my opinion, yeah, death certificate is only a half a step down from doggy style and the chronic, in my opinion, guys. And so, although I think all eyes on me is comparable and deserve and you can go either way when he doing shit like a bird in hand, just the way that he just broke it down so quick and it was just in and out, it's like oh no you listening to a guy that, at the time that he was rapping, listen to what I'm about to say, and this is something that Tupac never really got.
Speaker 1:Whether it's fair or not, oh no, when Ice Cream is rapping on Death Certificate, you feel like you were listening to the greatest MC of all time. At that moment in time, it was arguable that he was.
Speaker 3:He definitely was Give me that he could slapbox with Rakim if it came down to it.
Speaker 1:Because in 1993, if you told me Ice Cube was the greatest emcee that ever lived you wasn't saying some crazy shit.
Speaker 3:No, he was. To me he was because I didn't know who Nas was in 93. To me Ice Cube was the best rapper walking planet Earth in 92.
Speaker 1:And I do believe he had a three-year stretch where he was the best rapper alive, and not too many rappers have had a three-year run in a row where it's like this nigga is the best rapper alive and he did have a three-year stretch like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you with Death Certificate too, sean.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna look at the poll real quick.
Speaker 1:The poll's probably going to pick all eyes on me slightly, but that's more about Pac yeah the poll is not too far.
Speaker 4:The poll's got 54%, all eyes on me 45% death certificate.
Speaker 1:Cube is different on death certificate and this is what I mean. He's every bit the gangster that he is on straight out of compton in america's most, but he's focused and concise the way kendrick is on to pimp a butterfly. But it's gangster and you can ride to it. As a matter of fact, when I think about it, to pimp a butterfly is actually the modern day death certificate in a lot of ways. You just can't ride to it. That's the problem.
Speaker 3:I've heard people say it's the modern day. It takes a nation, but I see where you're going.
Speaker 1:I'm speaking because he's a Cali nigga. Because that's the thing with death certificates I got you you can still ride to Death Certificate, while Ice Cube is giving you all of these socioeconomic commentary and macro themes, like the Korean grocery store in the neighborhood, the bird in hand, the nigga working for McDonald's and end up pushing weight. Oh no, he's giving you the Topempo Butterfly untitled commentary. It's way more fun than both of those albums could ever pray to be. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But we gotta be fair. Like, what are we doing? Are we moving Death Certificate on? Or? It depends on your vote, Sean, because the chat said All Eyes on Me. Me and Coop said Death Certificate. If you go All Eyes on Me, we might have to like put it in the chat again.
Speaker 4:No, I said Death Certificate, you did you said Death Certificate Okay. The album is too important man. The album is too important, no matter what song you were on, you were an Ice Cube fan in 1993. If you were a hip-hop fan, you were an Ice Cube fan in 1993.
Speaker 3:That was a tough round, though that was a tough round.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hate it. It's tough. He's so special on Death Certificate.
Speaker 3:We got another great double album up. We got Life After Death versus Doggy Style.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's Doggy Style. Here's what it is. You want to know what it is? Death Certificate is a top 10 mic performance. All time guys, that's what I was trying to say, Death Certificate is a top 10 mic performance all time guys. That's what I was trying to say. That's the top 10 mic performance it checks every box.
Speaker 3:I don't like how disrespectful you said that's doggy style, but by the way it's doggy style. I don't even know why we're talking about this.
Speaker 1:Life after death starts off with being wanting to sell records like two.
Speaker 3:We're not having this conversation. Nah, it's doggy style that starts off with Big wanting to sell records like Snoop.
Speaker 1:We're not having this conversation. How about Snoop? Yeah, nah.
Speaker 3:Nah, it's doggy style, Kool. I mean Sean, you object, I got doggy style yeah you don't sound too sure I mean it's hard to beat Doggystyle it's hard, that's a tough one.
Speaker 2:That's a tough one being said himself records like Snoop oops like.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a tough one. Yeah, I'll be interested to see what the chat's saying, but all I'm saying look here, I should have said this before we started barring some sort of miss that Dog.
Speaker 1:I'd be interested to see what the chat's saying. All I'm saying look here. I should have said this before we started Barnes, some sort of mishap Doggy style, probably going to the final. Barnes, some sort of mishap guys Fuck people talking about yeah, dog style is like it's like that. We about to have some real tough conversations when we get to this last eight.
Speaker 4:And they have to be honest conversations. A lot of people we're not chasing, we're not clickbaiting or anything like that. You got to be honest.
Speaker 1:I mean not to be funny. It's like life after death is full of big moments. Those moments aren't as big as the moments on Doggystyle. They're not. I'm sorry, they're not, they're not Hypnotize, hypnotize and fucking you tonight. More money, more problems. That is not doggy dog word and what's my name?
Speaker 3:it's not to your point, coop. You alluded to this on the Tupac all eyes on me versus death certificate or ice cube. A lot of times when doing these rankings, people will put the weight on who the MC is versus the one particular body of work. You know what I'm saying. Instead of talking about life after death versus doggy style, they say well, big is better emcee than you know, snoopy is all the time.
Speaker 1:So he is, and I think life after death is the third best mic performance lyrically ever on record, after but you gotta be able to compartmentalize. And you have to be objective about what the content is doing. So let's go back to Death Certificate right, quick. Oh no.
Speaker 1:Ice Cube is gangsta and conscious on here. There are themes on here. So as much as I love Big's struggle and we're starting to notice this there's some breaking points with some things. Subject matter what's the subject matter on Life After Death? Like Now go listen's the subject matter on Life After Death? Like Now go listen to the subject matter on Death Certificate and understand that Cube is doing all the gangsta shit Big's doing on Life After Death and Big is doing none of the social commentary that Cube is doing on Death Certificate. And those things are separating things, especially when you're going against an album like Doggystyle, which Life After Death is essentially made in the vein of. Except for Doggy Style's done better and bigger, the production is better. It's crazy to see the production better.
Speaker 3:The songs are better.
Speaker 4:And they smoked it 75% to 25%.
Speaker 1:So the mic performance, you know what I mean. The mic performance is one thing. That's what I mean about, oh no, ice Cube's special on Death Certificate, the way very few MCs have been on record because he, to quote Common, is slinging St Ives and bean pies in the same sentence. Successfully, successfully on Death Certificate, successfully slinging St Ives and bean pies Successfully.
Speaker 3:Alright, we still on the left side of the bracket. We got the Battle of 1995. We got the Infamous. Infamous versus Me. Got the infamous Don't do this. Infamous versus me against the world.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:I'm going infamous man. I love Pac, but I'm going infamous.
Speaker 4:You know I'm going infamous.
Speaker 1:I am too, and this is where Pac's catalog does get hurt, because his most classic stuff isn't as classic as other people's most classic stuff. The songs are the album sometimes.
Speaker 3:Remember what I told you the loophole and the verses would be the production, and this is the difference maker here.
Speaker 1:Yes, because of the production on Me Against the World. How about this? Me Against the World is probably the third best rap album in 1995. Third, though, because Purple Tape would be number one and the Infamous would be number two.
Speaker 3:You're forgetting about Lakeland Sores, though.
Speaker 1:I can't. I've always argued about that. That's personal preference over objectivity, I think, because that goes back to oh no, is the Genius the better rapper than Tupac, like on some bar shit. Oh well, we already know, that. But it's like, oh no, JZA can't do so many tears and Dear Mama, and If I Die Tonight and Death Around the Corner.
Speaker 3:To your point, me Against the World makes Liquid Sword sound niche. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:It makes it sound like he has a specialty.
Speaker 4:It does.
Speaker 1:It does. I would argue with you until I tell you that 95 is a special year.
Speaker 4:It's a sleeper year. We don't talk about it.
Speaker 1:I tell people, for me personally, I think 95 is the third best rap year. Enough, I tell people I mean for me personally, I think 95 is the third best rap year ever. I think it goes 96, 88, 95 in my opinion 95 sets up a lot of stuff for 96. In 96, yes 95 sets 96 up for the success that it has Sets it up.
Speaker 4:Nice. You got to set the game up in 96 because of 95. Right, yeah, oh no.
Speaker 3:There'll be no more of that bullshit. This next round is for you, sean. Oh boy. You got 36 chambers versus reasonable doubt.
Speaker 4:You know I'm going with that man. Come on, don't do this, that's not for me, it's a conversation, though it's a conversation to be had.
Speaker 3:It's 36, but it's a conversation.
Speaker 1:Actually, honestly, ag, I don't think it's a conversation, because I think Into the Wu-Tang is a top 10 rap album and I think Reasonable Doubt at its best is top 20. I think there the Wu-Tang is a top 10 rap album and I think Reasonable Doubt at its best is top 20. I think there is a separation, that's fair.
Speaker 4:That's fair. That's the group. I know that's the group. I know that's how you shoot From now on. That's how you shoot. That's how you drive. That's how you drive.
Speaker 1:From now on. That's how you drive, because think about it, it's. Think about it, like, like and I'm not trying to disrespect reasonable doubt at all. Think about the records on into the 36 chambers, like. Think about this, it's like. First of all, if anybody thinks that it's close and let's say that it is close well, cream would be your tiebreaker separated.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's too groundbreaking of an album protect your neck that's what I'm saying protect your neck and Cream are on into the Wu-Tang. As far as singles go, you'd have to go to probably the greatest adventures of Slick Rick or Paid in Full to find a project with two more groundbreaking records on one album. It it's got cream and Protect your Neck on there, guys. Can it all be so simple? Wu-tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with. Method man Chess Boxing. Shame on a Nigga. It's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 1:Shame on a nigga that thought Reasonable Doubt was better. Shame on a nigga that tried to run game on a nigga.
Speaker 3:It's about to still get interesting. This round's not pretty easy, though we're on the other side of the bracket. We got takes the Nation of Millions by PE versus Kanye, my Beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy. We know what it is.
Speaker 1:Hold on real quick. Clan in the front. Let your feet stomp, Niggas on the left. Ragshets to death. Hood for the night, wild for the night. Thugs in the back, come on and attack. The woo is coming through. The outcome is critical. Fucking with my style is sort of like a no, no, no, no, you ain't fucking with that. That might be the six or seven best record on there. He's going bananas on there.
Speaker 4:He's going berserk.
Speaker 1:He's going berserk on that Clan in the Front. Think about it Clan in the Front is on the back end of the classic songs on the album.
Speaker 3:Nah, you're right, clan in the Front. So we in agreement. Takes the nation over Dark Twisted Fantasy. Yes.
Speaker 1:As much as here's what I'm saying again why? Don't you take a deep breath, bro?
Speaker 3:It might be the best rap album, just because it's the best rap album arguably in the last 15 years.
Speaker 1:This is what I mean. It takes a nation a million is a top 5 rap album all time, to this day to this day. It's a top 5 rap album alright get ready to lose y'all shit.
Speaker 3:Cuban links vs Illmatic react. It's a top rap album. It's a trailblazer. Get ready to lose your shit. Cuban Lynx versus Illmatic React.
Speaker 1:I know what was happening.
Speaker 4:No, we don't do that.
Speaker 3:I know what was happening, we got to go there I know what was happening. We got to go there. To me, this is the number one and number two hip-hop albums of all time. For me personally, I got Illmatic at one and Cuban Link's at two, so I have to give the edge to Illmatic, but barely yeah.
Speaker 4:I got to go with Illmatic man.
Speaker 3:I hate to do it to Cuban Link. Cuban Link, I love Cuban Link from my own heart, but Illmatic is just so perfect. And see, and that's what we do, because that could go either way, because that 10 tracks is so perfect. But then, coop, you use that to form an argument against it. Because you know I'm saying Cuban Link is greater over a longer period but sometimes less is more. Like Illmatic is uncut, raw dope, not stepped on at all raw dope, so let's not step on at all.
Speaker 1:So let's look at it like this Okay, so a lot of people let's say Illmatic has eight flawless records. I think a lot of people talk about one time. For your mind, it's like there's a weak point of the album. That's the weak point. So let's say you have eight flawless records, right? Well, the problem for Illmatic against the purple tape is is that, well, I can give you eight flawless records on there Yep, and I give you four more, yep. That would be the problem. Yes and so and so. This is what I always said. I always told people it's like oh no, illmatic is better about the timeless themes and about the time capsule of a record. It is because what Illmatic really is is a micro cosm, I'm sorry, a macro cosm of hip-hop from 86 to 93. It's a time capsule piece. It's a time capsule piece. It's a timeless entry piece, song for song. It's not better than the purple tape because it doesn't have enough songs to compete.
Speaker 3:But in a vacuum. Let me push back on that sentiment, because do you think any song on purple tape is better than New York State of Mind? Just one song. Any one song better than New York state of mind, Just one song any one song.
Speaker 1:Okay, so no, but have. How about this? There are more songs that are New York state of mind level on the purple tape.
Speaker 3:Then there are New York state of mind level songs on Illmatic would be, I mean we're talking about quantity, but if we're really busting it down like is there a song better than the World Is Yours, on Tupeling.
Speaker 1:Yes, what song would you say? I mean I hate? Okay, so, as much as I love Pete Rock, the beat to Incarcerated Scarface is better than the beat to the world is yours to me.
Speaker 3:Do you think it ranks all time higher? And the pantheon of hip hop songs? I think they're very. I think.
Speaker 1:I think they're very comparable with where they rank. And so I tell you, incarcerated scar faces gives the world is yours. Run for money. And and I would tell you and this is what I mean about the purple tape being so special, it's like well, here's my question to you what does Illmatic have? That's fucking with a Glaciers of Ice or a Guillotine or Gambino's.
Speaker 3:That's the problem. I'm glad you said that. When they do that, wu-tang shit how about this?
Speaker 1:when Wu-Tang does Wu-Tang shit. That is the ultimate cheat code in the history of hip hop.
Speaker 2:Because of the posse cuts. Yeah, so Nas and Illmatic ain't the cheat code in the history of hip-hop. Because the posse cuts. Yeah, the posse cuts on the record.
Speaker 1:Nas and Illmatic ain't the cheat code Wu-Tang, when Wu-Tang do Wu-Tang, shit is the cheat code and never have they done Wu-Tang shit like they did it on the purple tape.
Speaker 3:But let me ask you this it very much is a conversation and the combination of Ray and Ghost, as dope as it is, would you put any song?
Speaker 1:with Just them 2 over Life's a Bitch With Just them 2? Yeah, rainy Days would be the Life's a Bitch on the album, and I don't think it's better than Life's a Bitch, so I'll tell you that?
Speaker 4:That's a great comparison.
Speaker 1:Rainy Days is the Life's a Bitch on the Purple Tape. But also, too, I'll tell you this Rainy Days was my when I first heard the Purple Tape. It was my favorite record Right, because it was that life's a bitch like Nas and AZ type of moment on there. It's just not as good. So I give you that.
Speaker 3:And this doesn't have nothing to do with Illmatic, so to speak, but if I'm just being petty, as great as Cuba Links is who has the best verse on all of Cuba Links' albums?
Speaker 1:Oh no, I'm not taking that away. I always tell people part of why you could really argue about the purple tape being better than Illmatic is that you could argue that the best verse between the two albums belongs to Nas. But on. Ray's album. Right. You could say that Right, you can legitimately say well, the best verse was on the purple tape.
Speaker 3:The best verse is on the purple tape. I think it's two verses that slap boxing with the verbal intercourse verse by memory lane, Second verse of memory lane and first verse of New York State of Mind. And not for nothing AZ's verse on Life's a Bitch 2 mind.
Speaker 1:and not for nothing az's verse on life's a bitch too I will tell you, though I will tell you both the verses on life's a bitch are in that category too.
Speaker 3:I think those are the one and two best features of all time, I think verbal intercourse. Number one life's a bitch. Number two for me?
Speaker 1:no, okay, but this is what I mean. How about this, you, okay? So I think spot rushers is better than Represent. That's why this is a conversation for me. I think, how about this? As much as I love, as much as I love One Love, oh no, glaciers of Ice is better than One Love.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is which album do you think has the better writing? Illmatic.
Speaker 1:Illmatic has, the better. We're talking about writing pros, like as a writer.
Speaker 4:Illmatic is in that death certificate criminal production production I'm giving to the purple tape yes, and that's why we hold it high, because of the production.
Speaker 1:I mean to be honest with you. I mean for me personally. I think the purple tape is the best produced product in rap history.
Speaker 3:It's one producer versus a team of supertapes.
Speaker 1:If I was picking best production jobs in rap history in order, I would go purple tape, doggy style in that order as far as production jobs.
Speaker 3:So what are we doing here? Which one are we advancing?
Speaker 4:You got to go Illmatic, because I still think that you're talking about one against.
Speaker 1:You want to know what I'm going to tell you what I always forgot, what my tiebreaker is, and this is my tiebreaker. The degree of difficulty was harder for Nas because it was just yeah, that's what I said earlier, because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 3:Ray had ghosts. No, it was just that's what I'm saying, that's what I said earlier. Because Ray had ghosts.
Speaker 4:Ray had ghosts no this is what I mean. Ray had the Wu-Tang in prime form doing Wu-Tang shit he had RZA doing RZA shit.
Speaker 1:He had JZA doing JZA shit he had. Inspector Deck doing Inspector Deck shit. Method man is doing Method man shit. You get what I'm saying? No, they are doing Wu-Tang shit on the Purple Tent. It is literally a handbook in Wu-Tang rhyming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, here's the caveat. Ray already has reps in because he did the 36th album. This is Nas' debut.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Ray, actually, to be honest with you, this is what I keep telling people about Ray. It's like no, ray's the only guy on. Enter the Wu-Tang, it's a cow. And Return to the 36 Chambers. Hello, Hello.
Speaker 3:And I was younger too. That's another caveat.
Speaker 1:Ray's on the first three albums.
Speaker 3:He's the only person that you hear on all first three Wu projects. That was a tough round To me. That's my personal finals. That right, there is my personal final. That's a tough one. Next round this is a tough one too. But you know, ready to die versus the diary, gotta go ready to die, ready to die, you taking the diary.
Speaker 4:I am.
Speaker 3:Wow, I know it's close, but I'm kind of shocked. What'd you say, sean? I got ready to die. Y'all want to pull that one or move on? I did.
Speaker 1:Because to me the diary is ready to die south.
Speaker 3:I definitely see that, I definitely see that.
Speaker 1:Think about it. It's like no, no, no Things done changed and Jesus is the same record. Never seen a man die in everyday stroke. You know what I'm saying? Like oh, no, no, the records be lining up. It's some of my favorite shit.
Speaker 3:I gotta take that to your ass.
Speaker 1:Hit the motherfucking floor. I think objectively ready to die rings higher all the time I told you man Scarface used to scare me when I was a kid, like when the white sheet come on and it go and it go. He the little interlude and it goes, boo, boo, boo. He'd tell myself, is this nigga dead? Yet he's like no, no, no, I don't think he's dead. I'm trying to go bust this bitch again. I was like oh shit. I was like what the fuck going on? It's a rap album.
Speaker 4:I was like you can't swinging a lot man.
Speaker 1:The Diary's up there, dude the Diary. How about this? I didn't realize as a southerner that swore by the Diary my whole life, how much it wasn't a classic in other areas until I moved to Cali. When I moved to Cali, niggas hadn't heard the Diary by Scarface. I was looking at the gangsters like they was crazy. By the way, looking at gangsters crazy in Cali gets you shot. Don't do what Coop does, by the way, that gets you shot. But I was looking at niggas like they was crazy. Niggas stole my diary CD, by the way. Never look at niggas crazy and Cali about shit.
Speaker 1:Like that but niggas and Cali wasn't even up on the diary like that.
Speaker 4:I'm like riding to this you know I mean, but no, not a lot of people knew about this diary like that.
Speaker 3:So you know, if I end it right here, the diary 54, ready to die, 46 diaries like that man yo, we gonna have to come up with a tiebreaker then, because me and sean said ready to die and then coop in the chat say the diary.
Speaker 4:I think the chat what should be? The tiebreaker, because I'll tell you, let's run it again.
Speaker 1:Because if tiebreaker is best song, I got Never Seen a man Die.
Speaker 4:Shit. Now it's at Hold up. We got 41 votes.
Speaker 1:Give me that diary. Give me that diary over Ready to Die. I knew there'd be an upset in the bracket. Give it here.
Speaker 4:Give up the goods Ready to Die.
Speaker 1:Just hit the lead Give up the goods and get free.
Speaker 4:Oh, you hadn't stopped it yet. I haven't stopped it yet. It's at 41 votes right now. 51% Ready to Die. 49% the Diary. I got lots of.
Speaker 3:Let's give it another minute and see where it goes.
Speaker 4:Wherever it lands that's what we're carrying on, that's what we carried on. This might be the most controversial round. I think this one is because it just flipped over to ready to die again, and that's 44 votes.
Speaker 3:Alright. When our clock gets to, you know, 2 hours 39 minutes, that's when we call it Alright. This is interesting, I didn't see this going this way.
Speaker 1:Diary special think about this ice cubes on the diary hand of the dead body. The only guest appearance is ice cube yeah, and.
Speaker 3:I've been somebody who doesn't hold ready to die as high as most, but I still pick ready to die and I love face man you want me to call it no, no, no we got 20 seconds.
Speaker 1:We got 20 seconds. All right, taking all these votes, I want the diary to win.
Speaker 4:Face mobbed.
Speaker 3:We have 47 votes right now 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Speaker 4:Call it All right, it's 54 to 46. Ready to die?
Speaker 3:All right, ready to die? Moves on, that was nerve-wracking.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's 50 votes and they still voting 53 to 47 right now. So if I end it right here, it's ready to die 53 to 47. All right, we got to move it on.
Speaker 3:Sorry, coop, you fought. I end it right here. It's ready to die 53 to 47. We got to move it on. Sorry, coop, you fought hard for it, though I respect it. I did what I could. I respect it.
Speaker 1:White Sheep is one of the most underrated rap songs to start off a rap album in rap history.
Speaker 3:Tough. Next we got this, the last one on this side of the bracket. We got the Chronic versus America's Most Wanted. It's the Chronic for me.
Speaker 4:It's the Chronic.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Chronic.
Speaker 3:All right, so we are down to our Elite Eight. That's where it gets interesting. All right Back to the left side of the bracket. We got Death Certificate versus Doggy Style and, I'm sorry, ice Cube.
Speaker 1:I'd like to apologize. Ice Cube no.
Speaker 4:Doggy Style's hard to get you here.
Speaker 1:Look, we fought so hard to get you here, player. Yeah, I'm sorry, cube, here's the final four, see, but Death Certificate, here's what I like. I like the way that you did this bracket AG because it gives us even though some albums, like the Purple Tape, are losing out. We have waxed poetic about the Purple Tape countless times. We have not waxed poetic about Death Certificate countless times. So even getting to get see. Part of why I like this is we're getting a chance to like, give a breakdown and talk about maybe some albums that are classic, that aren't getting the respect on their name that they deserve. Death Certificate would be one of those. Their name that they deserve death certificate would be one of those. Yeah, like, death certificate deserves to be next to reasonable doubt and doggy style, chronic and illmatic and yeah so let's go.
Speaker 3:Let's go back to the original point. Death certificate was a low seed and it started out as a non-seed and it was rated four and a half in the source. It's not even an original rated five mic album. So that goes to your point. Coop the fours and fours and a half in the source. It's not even an original rated five mic album. So that goes to your point. Coop, the fours and fours and a half are, you know what I'm saying, the cream of the crop on this list. You know what I'm saying? It's just like the real NCAA tournament. Upsets can happen, but unfortunately it met its end to Doggy Style All right this next one of fact.
Speaker 1:Here's really what we're finding out too, and I'm glad that it's happening that way. If you told me that Death Certificate was the third best West Coast rap album of all time, I wouldn't argue with you, right? I think it is. It probably is right, unless you count.
Speaker 3:Straight Outta Compton like.
Speaker 1:For me it's between Straight Outta Compton and Death Certificate, and America's Most Wanted by Ice Cube. He is actually the holder of two of the five best West Coast rap albums of all time.
Speaker 3:That's insane. And that ain't even Count and Kill at will. That's insane, bro, and hold on, hold, on, hold on.
Speaker 1:And he's the main author of another top five West Coast albums Straight Outta Compton. Three of your five best West Coast albums have Ice Cube's pin all over them.
Speaker 3:That's insane. This next round is tough, but I know my answer. We got the Infamous versus 36 Chambers.
Speaker 4:I might have put in the poll.
Speaker 3:You know I'm going to go with it, paul, because you queens, get the money, sean, but the answer is 36, bro.
Speaker 4:It is 36. I mean at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:It's not as easy as you think, because what I will tell you is that when I say that Enter the Wu-Tang is a top 10 rap album all time, well, that's like seven or eight. Infamous is like 11 or 12, in terms of all-time placement. So it's like, oh no, there's only. You know, the albums that are separating these albums, in my opinion, are like the low end theory, you know you know what's funny for me about this round?
Speaker 3:these are the quintessential classics by both of these groups. But I love Hell on Earth and Forevermore that's wild Answers into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 1:He just said that's wild. That's wild Answers into the Wu-Tang. You want to know what? I had a friend, His name was Mark Millian, and Mark told me once something and I've said it on this show to stay with me, and that's that Enter. The Wu-Tang is the most innovative rap album of all time. It is and it is, and so when you actually look at the fact that it's the most innovative rap album of all time, it is one of the few rap albums that does have classic songs like in so many multiples that it's ridiculous has in more than five. Well, it's the most innovative rap album of all time. It's got five instant classic rap songs on there. It changed the game. It changed the way that we looked at things. It changed the way the craft of emceeing was done. The lead emcee and the crew at the time got Rhyme of the Year in the quote-unquote Bible of the Source for his verse on.
Speaker 1:Protect your Neck. It doesn't get much more special than Enter the Wu-Tang. I would not be surprised if they won this entire bracket with this album Possibility.
Speaker 3:What's the chat saying, Sean Let?
Speaker 4:me see Yo real quick. Everybody please like share, subscribe. I see some new faces in the audience. Give me your original content. Original content.
Speaker 3:A lot of thought and effort was put in this bracket for real, Absolutely 36, 59%, the infamous 40%. Let's move on. Got 36. Final four appearance.
Speaker 1:Shame on the nigga who tried to run game on the nigga.
Speaker 3:Okay, we got on the other side of the bracket. We got. It Takes a Nation of Millions versus Illmatic.
Speaker 4:Queens get the money, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:It ain't that easy though, sean. I'm with Illmatic, but it's not that easy, so hold on.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me that Illmatic is taking down.
Speaker 4:It Takes a Nation and the Purple Tape and that the Purple Tape and it Takes a Nation are not going to be in the finals.
Speaker 3:Not in the final four. If Illmatic wins, I'll put it in the poll. Put it in the poll. I don't like it. You're not going to give a vote, coop. That's not. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1:Okay. So here's how I look at it. Let's say that we're doing this in bracket. Now let's get realistic. So let's say that, much like this current NCAA tournament, auburn's the number one overall seed, but everybody's picking Florida, so Illmatic is the number one overall seed in this tournament, obviously no, it was the number four seed. I mean in terms of how, when we're talking about it, live.
Speaker 3:Like it's the hip hop bible, so to speak. That's what you said, right, correct?
Speaker 1:But what I would submit to you that if we're doing this in bracket form, Well, If you got to play the purple tape One day, well, if you got to play the purple tape one day and play it takes a nation of millions. Two days later you were not running both of those games. Nigga, not both of those games. You're not winning both of those games.
Speaker 3:You understand what I'm saying. Fortunately for albums, they don't have fatigue.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying I'm just like, like hold on.
Speaker 3:Hold on.
Speaker 2:It's like you know what I'm saying, I'm just like like hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:It's like you just got, like you just beat the purple tape and now you're going to be. It takes a nation a million. Two days later it's like no, you are not nigga, you are not super nigga. I could argue that it takes. A nation is lucky to be in here. I ain't even doing this.
Speaker 4:This is real ass shit I ain't even doing this if it ain't on here.
Speaker 1:It's like you want me to do a bracket.
Speaker 4:Best rap albums of all.
Speaker 1:Time is like yeah, yeah, takes a Nation ain't on there, so I'm out.
Speaker 4:Set out to say it it's not an easy lift. It's not an easy lift at all.
Speaker 1:I mean we can advance Illmatic. I'm just submitting some devil's advocate type of material.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm with you. When Sean left, that's why I was like it's not that easy man, it takes a nation.
Speaker 1:I mean, okay, so let's look at it like this. It's like, okay, so let's say, illmatic is, like, you know, the 96 Bulls. It's like, oh no, the 96 Bulls might be the best team ever, I don't think they've beaten the 88 Lakers and the 86 Celtics back-to-back. That's not happening. I get your logic, but that's not. You know, we can't apply that here.
Speaker 3:I'm just, like I said, devil's advocate, just admit something to the team, but just sizing it up right, like MC and lyrics, it goes to Nas right. What Nas is doing on Illmatic is superior to it Takes a Nation correct. It's tough, yes, but no, I mean I just Quick yes or no so we can move on.
Speaker 1:Alright production. Okay, so here's what I'm saying Okay, so how about? This when do you have Illmatic rank as a mic performance all time?
Speaker 3:I would say around third Like. Because I got it was. I would probably say around third like. To me it was written as the best mic performance by MC on a record. I got that one. Biggie on Life After Death is two. His versatility is unmatched. Illmatic will probably come in at three. I think Purple Tape is a cheat code because you got Ray Angles. I can't compartmentalize and say it's just Ray, you know. So Illmatic to me is the third best mic performance on an album.
Speaker 1:Okay, so for me I would tell you that it was written at one.
Speaker 3:It's the same guy. What are you talking about? I?
Speaker 4:don't care. What do you talking about? I don't care, I'm a one and a two.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Wow? That's why I put them a one and two. I would put it Was Written at one. I would put Let the Rhythm Hit Him at two. I would put Life After Death at three. I would put Illmatic at four. But what I would put, Illmatic at four, but what I would tell you is that my four, five, six would probably be Nas on Illmatic, Chuck D on A Text to Nation of the Men and Ice Cube on Death Certificate. So it's not like it's far away.
Speaker 3:I'm putting Jay on Reasonable Doubt up there too.
Speaker 1:Jay's up there. Jay's mic performance on Reasonable Doubt is up there. It's up there, jay's mic performance on reasonable doubt is up there. It's up there that's more on the back end of my time this might be controversial.
Speaker 3:I'm taking jay's mic performance on reasonable doubt over biggs on ready to die.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry yes, if you're talking mic performance. Yes, I'm sorry so, but this is what I mean. Is it's like even for when?
Speaker 3:okay, so here's my problem with jay's, and I would have picked reason without over ready to die on this bracket if they would have met up.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry again, we're talking mic performance, volume one actually might be host. That's my performance, like, because here's what I'm saying, because when I give reasonable doubt, when I'm giving reasonable that, the doubt, the nod over volume one in terms of mic performance, it's mostly about the evils and it's more consistency, too.
Speaker 3:It's more consistency it's mostly about the evils and it's more consistency, too, yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's about the evils. It's like oh no, the evils are a reasonable doubt tiebreaker.
Speaker 3:But not too many people can do streets is watching though.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's why it's like, oh no, the evils is the tiebreaker as much as it's because it's brilliant as imaginary players and streets is watching is. I don't think there is a specialist to Eagles, even for a special. So so we can't talk about we can't talk about Jake too long Sean had will explode we have an agreement on Illmatic moving forward, taking down, takes the nation, Even in the arm of the polling.
Speaker 4:it has 86% Illmatic and 13%.
Speaker 3:it takes the nation All right, we're moving on, ready to Die versus the Chronic Chronic. For me, it's the Chronic, the Chronic, the Chronic.
Speaker 1:The Chronic playing at the beginning of Ready to Die too, we all said that pretty easily yeah, the Chronic All right.
Speaker 3:This damn Final Four is crazy. Y'all All right.
Speaker 1:We got the Chronic All right this damn, final Four is crazy y'all.
Speaker 3:All right, we got.
Speaker 1:The Chronic and Illmatic. Hold on. We do have the Chronic and Illmatic in there and that is a lot of people's one and two. That's correct, yeah.
Speaker 3:Correct this Final Four actually is indicative of four out of my five top five albums of all time, so I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1:Definitely cheating, definitely, cheating, definitely cheating. You just said it. Did you hear the?
Speaker 4:niggas say it out loud, it was cheating.
Speaker 1:Okay, keep going.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just put it that way.
Speaker 3:Alright, we got Doggystyle versus 36 Chambers and I like how this is balanced out east and west on both sides. I'm taking Doggystyle, sean I like doggy style, sean.
Speaker 1:I don't like this man Taking doggy style, because, remember when I said there aren't a lot of rap albums that have as many classic songs as there's the Wu-Tang. Well, I can think of actually one rap album that actually has more, and this would be the one. This is the one, this is the one, this is the one, this is the one, this is the one. This is the one, this is the one, this is the one. Doggy Style is the rap album that has more classic hip-hop songs than Into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 4:This is tough, this is tough.
Speaker 3:And so many things. These are like polar opposites. Like. Dre is one of the like. It is man, his production and he's one of the best engineers ever to do it. Everything on Doggystyle sounds crisp, but everything on 36 sounds grungy and gritty on purpose. Rza's production, like both production jobs are like top tier About to hit you with the tiebreaker this is tough man. But you got nine MCs, though, doing crazy stuff on 36, though.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a group effort on Doggystyle too. But what I will tell you this is no disrespect, oh, murder Was the Case is the tiebreaker between these two albums. There is no Murder Was the Case on Into the Wu-Tang and there's no Murder Was the Case on any Snoop Dogg album, since Doggystyle doesn't have a cream. Coop Gin and juice is just as big as cream. So yes, it does.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's fair. It's got gin and juice, so it does have a cream.
Speaker 1:And that's why I'm telling you Murder was the case as the separator, because that's the Snoop record, that's all-time great that we only getting on Doggy style and have not gotten since We've gotten more Wu-Tang shit comparable on Liquid Sword. Purple Tape, supreme Iron man. There is no more. Murder was the case after doggy style.
Speaker 3:My bias is telling me 36. Same here. Objectively, it might be doggy style. I'm doggy style. Objectively, it might be doggy style. Nope, I'm not doing it Too big, I'm going through.
Speaker 1:Just do the album rundown. It's too much To me.
Speaker 3:it's not fair, because how innovative you said it earlier how innovative 36 is is second to none To me. I know most of us hold doggy style real high, but I know some people who look at doggy style like the Chronic Light.
Speaker 1:Those people are stupid. Those people are stupid. We can't help those you can't fix stupid.
Speaker 4:AG.
Speaker 1:You can't fix stupid, Please don't AG. You can't fix stupid, please don't try here's what I will tell you For everything that this is just my personal Perspective of it and this is an opinion, so I'm not saying this like fact. It's definitely up for bait and up for discussion. The rat machine as we know it exists because doggy style exists. There was no machine before doggy style this is the machine.
Speaker 4:There was no machine.
Speaker 1:Before doggy style there was no. Put a rapper in the mix, add water and watch the shit blow up and become no. And so for everything that Enter the Wu-Tang is and innovation, doggy style is to the machine. So when you're bringing up the gritty versus clean context, it's like, yes, but never has the gritty been done so well, but never has the clean been done so well. That's what I'm telling you. Production-wise, you can go listen to some of the stuff engineering-wise on Doggystyle and you're like, oh shit, this shit sound clean today it should sound clean today.
Speaker 3:But that machine is the impact that Doggystyle have. But 36 may like restructure the game on how group individual solo members. I look at 36 chambers, like jordan signing with nike for the air jordan, because before you know, I'm saying when in 85, when he was with jordan, no player had signature shoes. It was players had team colors. They were signed with converse, whatever, jordan was the first signature shoot and the game changed, broke wide open after that for people to do that. I look at 36 Chambers, what the Wu-Tang did with that album RZA masterminded that to parlay individual deals for every solo member at different labels, to break the game wide open and to pioneer other groups doing the same thing. I I very much liken what 36 chamber is to michael jordan signing the nike, like it's that big for hip-hop it is okay.
Speaker 1:So how about this? Let me give you a final doggy star argument. Well, all everybody on the east coast was talking about in late 93 and early 94 was bringing the East Coast back. Why was that? Why did they have to bring the East Coast back?
Speaker 3:Doggy style, that's true, and this is the same year. I forgot about that. This is the same year.
Speaker 1:Thank you. And this would be the tiebreaker, because if we just if we talking about it in real time. As much as I love wu-tang clan, we were all there. We all know who the motherfucking man was and it was snoop. He had, he had the records, he had the album, he had the sales, he had the no, no, he had everything in spades. So as much as I love into the wu-tang, this is.
Speaker 4:How about this?
Speaker 1:Doggy Style is the reason that Into the Wu-Tang is not in my top five. You know what I'm saying, because I don't have the Chronic in my top five either.
Speaker 4:Doggy Style is the reason.
Speaker 1:The Chronic and Into the Wu-Tang, aren't in my top five, didn't they?
Speaker 4:release a couple weeks apart from one another.
Speaker 3:No, that was 36.
Speaker 1:36 and Tribe came out the same day I think that's my favorite one A month apart November, late November to late December, literally a month difference in time.
Speaker 3:Well, my top five is literally no particular order, like you know Illmatic 36, doggystyle Chronic and Cuban Link. That's my top five, no particular order.
Speaker 1:So mine is Illmatic. The Purple Tape Doggystyle Payton Full it Takes a Nation. Then, literally right after that, enter the Wu-Tang, the Chronic Low End Theory.
Speaker 3:We got to take this to the chat.
Speaker 4:I already did. Let me see what it said. Who went in the?
Speaker 3:chat. I want to say 36, but I can't move it on without.
Speaker 4:Doggy style, doggy style, winning 69% to 33%, we got to move doggy style.
Speaker 3:Then we got to be objective Doggy style, doggy style. I fall hard for 36.
Speaker 1:I love 36. I told y'all I wouldn't be surprised if both of these I told you doggy style. Doggy style man.
Speaker 4:But I'm with it, though. Appreciate you, esquire. They came out the same month. Okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 3:That's what's up. All right, so we got Illmatic versus the Chronic.
Speaker 4:Man, you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1:We're not doing the Chronic versus Doggy style. We are not.
Speaker 3:That's your rationale.
Speaker 1:I refuse that's right. I refuse to argue that I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3:I think, in a lot of ways, these albums are the inverse of one another. Nas is the superior MC with an all-star cast of producers, and Dre is the all-star producer with an all-star cast of rappers, first of all, and Dre is the all-star producer with an all-star cast of uh, you know rappers.
Speaker 1:So and first of all, even though we do not like how we got here when your last four albums are into the Wu Tang, the chronic dog, silent, illmatic. Oh no, we still did something right, guys. We still did something right. It's called hip hop. Hip hop did something right, yeah, yeah, hip-hop did something, no matter how you want to toss and turn it, it's like well, let's be clear about this. These are four of the best 10 rap albums of all time, are they not?
Speaker 3:Then they still work.
Speaker 1:Even though you and your girl tried to cheat, even though Sean tried to knock Jay out and even though Sean tried to knock J out and even though Sean tried to elevate what you had to be, we still sitting over here with the chronic and doggy style.
Speaker 3:I like what you said, coop, about the top 10 rap albums of our time. Listen to me run down our Elite Eight Death Certificate. Doggy Style, the Infamous 36 Chambers. It Takes a Nation Illmatic, ready to Die. And the Chronic.
Speaker 1:Those are all top 20 rap albums. Those are all top 20 rap albums. Ready to Die might be the weakest rap album out of all of those. Matter of fact, Ready to Die is the weakest rap album out of all those.
Speaker 3:Who said it? I didn't, but I think it a lot of times. Let's be honest. I'm trying to be fair and get feelings out here. All right Now the Chronic is fantastic, but to me it's not beating out Illmatic.
Speaker 1:So are we all in agreement on that. Yeah, and now we have see. This is my favorite matchup, this is a tough one.
Speaker 3:Look at the road that Illmatic had to travel, though to your point Coop Ridiculous. Cuban links, takes the Nation and the Chronic.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, so if this was war, illmatic wouldn't have any legs or arms right now. We'd just be throwing his body out, because he would have lost everything in the previous three rounds. We'd just be throwing the body of Illmatic out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Chronic took his arms, okay. Purple Pig took his legs. Leg leg, arm head, like RZA said, leg leg arm, head yeah. Protrons electrons always cause explosion. Word, word.
Speaker 4:What are we doing? What are we?
Speaker 3:doing here? Are we doing here? I know where my vote lies.
Speaker 1:My vote lies with ilmatic, but this is definitely a discussion it is actually ag now that you've done this and we've taken it this far. First of all, we put ilmatic up in this chat, so nas is going to win, but I think we should objectively take this poll to all of our social media accounts and collect data. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, and so what I'll tell you is is that we actually need to table this and let everybody really vote and tally up. You know, you know we can, we can literally. You know we did our bracket. It's down to illmatic and doggy style. Let's let the people decide, because I think those are two wonderful albums to pick from. And they are cool.
Speaker 1:And personally for me. Well, I got one album at number one and I got one album at number four and the last time I had a conversation about these two albums I literally said I said the separation between album one and album four is preference, because they're all comparable and that would be Doggy Style. It Takes a Nation Purple Tape and the Omatic to me.
Speaker 3:I like that Cool.
Speaker 1:We got to be a part of the people. Let's let the people decide, Because think about it, I'm with it. Think about it too, Although this the album West Coast niggas love the most. And this the album East Coast niggas love the most. And this the album.
Speaker 3:East Coast niggas love the most. Let them vote. I don't want to disrespect Chronic like that because you keep saying no, but I know so many people that put the Chronic over Doggy Style yeah them niggas, old though I mean, it's just one year how about this people?
Speaker 1:from our generation need to understand something about the Chronic that they don't really acknowledge. Our generation swears by the Chronic. Our generation swears by doggy style, and so does the generation after us, and that's the difference, guys. There's a generation after us that swears by doggy style too, that does not swear by the Chronic, and that's what all the old ass niggas that keep talking about the Chronic keep on.
Speaker 3:It is crazy what difference a year can make, though, but you know what's the most remarkable thing about this? Both of these are debut albums. That's insane.
Speaker 1:There's the two best debut albums of all time by rappers. Both are important to their solo, solo rap. Solo rappers yeah, best solo debuts ever. Yes, if you were naming best solo rap debuts of all time, where would you go? This would be the two albums you'd go to.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You'd be like where the hits, where the records? Where the sales Doggystyle? Where the songs? Where the culture? Where the hip-hop Illmatic?
Speaker 3:Let's do a comprehensive vote with the people, let's put it in our chat in here and then we'll take it in our chat to socials.
Speaker 4:I just did, I just put it in there. I got it 75-25.
Speaker 1:What's going on, Sean? 75-25.
Speaker 4:70-30, but it's still changing. That's 45 votes so far 70 in favor of what? We know where we at. We have a large base right. I think we're at. We have a large Nas base right. Right but.
Speaker 4:I think we're contextualizing all of this regardless, Because even with Coop, you asked Poetic really well about doggy style. But here's the thing about Illmatic. I think that, to me, is the tiebreaker. You're talking about closing the chapter of the Old Testament of hip-hop and going to a New Testament of hip-hop with Illmatic. Illmatic was that unique bridge because it had elements of the Old Testament of hip-hop. Yes, it opened up the door for the New Testament of hip-hop because it changed everything around. It made rappers even old and new, old, current and those who was coming after him. They had to figure out how to rap again Because there was no more. You couldn't do the Rat-a-tat rapping anymore, you couldn't do the pity-patting anymore.
Speaker 1:Kane couldn't do his shit. No more, either Kane and KRS couldn't do their shit.
Speaker 3:no more, either, nobody talks about this, but I know Eric B and Rakim broke up, but Rakim disappeared for a little while. He saw Nas's come up. Nas said he used Ra's studio time to record when Ra wouldn't show up at the studio. Nobody talks about Rakim didn't put out another album for years after Nas got on the scene. You know what?
Speaker 4:happened. Think about this All of those styles Kane, rob, even Chris Fushnikins all of those styles that were popular, hammer, all of them that was doing their thing when Illmatic came out. It changed things so much that those guys damn near please don't nobody come at me hardcore, but they damn near became extinct. Lesson got out of the way. That style could not transform into what he was doing.
Speaker 3:It's a flagpole moment in hip-hop.
Speaker 1:So here's what happened. Yes, rock M stepped away, but it also gave Rock M the confidence to step back in because, unlike everybody else, rock M's the only one that didn't have to change a thing because, quite frankly, what Nas was doing was his shit. Yes, no, you're right. So Rock M didn't have to change. Cool G-Rap.
Speaker 3:KRS change. Let's be clear about G-Rap. Neither did G-Rap G-R-A changed, let's be clear. Let's be clear about G-Rap. Neither did G-Rap. G-rap is the father to Nas Style in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:How about this? Okay, and I agree with that, and he did change and I think that hurt him when he came back.
Speaker 3:G-Rap, you think it did Mm-hmm. I don't know if his fan base was big enough to hurt him bad. In general, I think his fan base just was what it was. I look at G-Rap of the AZ of the era before him.
Speaker 1:I can see that I will say this, and this is something that I've noticed from our dialogue too. This, more than anything else, might be the thing that makes us feel so special about Illmatic. All of these albums that we've been talking about that are comparable to Illmatic guys. They're all heavy group MC efforts Doggy Sal, heavy group MC effort, Enter the Wu-Tang Purple Tape, and so that. So the records that stick out to me the most are the soloist mic performance, that would be Nas on Illmatic, Chuck B on it Takes a Nation of Millions Rock, Him on Paid in Full and Ice Cube on Death Certificate.
Speaker 3:That's what we picked out about them. The degree of difficulty.
Speaker 1:Right, and actually my main takeaway from all of this and I've always kind of felt this way and it keeps happening we've got to start having the conversation about Death. Cert, my main takeaway from all of this and I've always kind of felt this way and it keeps happening we got to start having a conversation about Death.
Speaker 4:Certificate as a top 10 rap album.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, we really need to start having that conversation, the main thing that I've noticed from this conversation the Death Certificate has all the things that a top 10 rap album has, and we don't talk about it enough like it does.
Speaker 3:And that's not enough credit.
Speaker 2:Not enough credit. Think about it Because think about the other albums that we're talking about.
Speaker 1:It's like no. And this is nothing against Rakim, it's nothing against Chup, this ain't nothing against Nas. Oh, ice Cube's solo mission on Death Certificate is the longest of all those great solo missions. Hasn't got the most bars Right.
Speaker 3:Right and real quick. Coop, I want to give you a lot of credit because you said this before we even started the bracket. You said that the only person I'm not the only person, but the only original awarded five mic album that's going to come out of this alive is Illmatic. Our final four was Illmatic, which was awarded five mics originally. Doggystyle, which was awarded five mics originally. Doggy style, which was awarded four mics originally. The chronic, which was awarded 4.5 originally, and 36 chambers, which was awarded four and a half originally. You caught it from the get go. You caught it from the jump.
Speaker 1:I already knew, because when I read your bracket for the first time it made me think are we sure it's the Bible, With all these four and a halfs and fours walking around?
Speaker 4:A lot of yeah what Rubik was used.
Speaker 1:A lot of missteps, man. Think about it, it's a lot of missteps. It's easy to be you know you can't be no Bible when you miss the death certificate. Listen, death certificate. Chronic doggy style in successive years.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, but I respect them for doubling back and saying we were wrong, though, you know, but that's after the people had spoken, you know yeah, I mean that's after you, I mean that'd be funny, it's like monday morning quarterback I mean?
Speaker 1:I mean, when you get an extortant and somebody got the gun to your head, you're gonna drop it in the bag. You really don't have a choice at that point.
Speaker 4:Put that shit in my bag. It is an East coast publication, so of course that was a big part of it.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm really trying to get at. But no, but this is what I mean. Are they our Bible Cause I'm bringing up the West coast albums. But AG just said Liquid Sports didn't even get a five-mic buyback in. Why doesn't Infamous and the Purple Tape have four-and-a-half mics? Why does Reasonable Doubt have four mics? Why does Ready to Die have four-and-a-half mics? The fuck is you niggas doing? You wish to eat those shit, but the fuck is you niggas doing?
Speaker 3:Just for context, real quick, before we get out of here, the ones that were retroactively awarded five mics the four and a half were breaking atoms by main source. Death certificate by ice cube. The chronic by dr dre 36 chambers by wu-tang ready to die by big and um the infamous by mob deep only built for cuban links by rayquan and um the chronic 2001 by dre.
Speaker 3:The ones that were awarded for the originally awarded four mics that got five were retroactively, were Grippin' on that Other Level by the Ghetto Boys, doggy Style by Snoop the Diary by Scarface Me Against the World by Pac, the Score by the Fugees and Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z.
Speaker 1:How can you have the Score by the Fugees in there and not have Liquid Swords in there?
Speaker 4:Exactly Because it's the hype, it was the hype, right.
Speaker 1:There are core Wu-Tang fans to this day, guys that still feel like Liquid Swords is better than the Purple Tape. That's how serious Liquid Swords is. There are people that swear that. I've had full-fledged arguments with hardcore hip-hop heads. They will literally break down song for song and track for track, while Liquid Swords is better than the Purple.
Speaker 3:Tape Cuban Leaks is just not fair, because you got a tandem and RZA was on something else. Man, I just you know he's on something else.
Speaker 1:Okay, and maybe it's a style thing, I enjoy the beats on Liquid Swords just as much as I enjoy the beats on the Purple Tape. I think it's just Ray and Ghost are more exciting MCs, and so Prince is getting more exciting beats, right.
Speaker 4:It was very colorful.
Speaker 3:He didn't know which chamber to tap into for his artists Look here.
Speaker 1:And this is what I mean about the production on Liquid Swords. It's like, oh no, when you listen to the beat of Fourth Chamber, you like kill a priest and ghost face in the jizz and Riz about to rap over this beat Like nah. And then it come in and you like To me that's rap metal.
Speaker 3:That's rap metal. I love that song. You're like this guy's a fucking genius.
Speaker 1:It sound like World War III.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's rap metal right there.
Speaker 4:Why is it all?
Speaker 1:wet. Why did you just grab the rope? That's my favorite ghost shit. That's when ghosts came out to me. When ghosts said that shit, I was like yo.
Speaker 3:Listen, that was my first concert I ever went to in 97, when they was on tour with Rage Against the Machine. When that joint rang off, them white boys in the mosh pit was going crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.
Speaker 1:Rap metal. You gotta look like two dogs stuck. Iron man be sipping rum out of Stanley Cup, Mighty mighty.
Speaker 3:Yo, this was mad fun guys. No, no, no, this was a great idea AG.
Speaker 1:This was one of the better. This is one of the more fun content pieces that I've had fun doing in all my years of podcasting.
Speaker 3:It was tough. It was tough.
Speaker 1:Great conversation.
Speaker 4:I want to give light to all of this because, for those of you who are watching and everything, y'all need to understand how we curate. We all have three different minds, three different spirits when it comes to hip-hop. When we first talked about this, the original piece of this was going to be a conversation around five mics. That was the original conversation. We had this in a chamber for probably over two months, two to three months. We thought about it and AG and I had a conversation. We said how can we get cool, to get tight on some polling shit? That's how we started this conversation. That's how we started the conversation. I said yo. Ag said well, let's try to do a bracket. I said let's take the five-mic conversation and put it in a bracket to see how that looks.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, guys, not being funny, trife hit us with the 50 bucks classic segment. Shout out, trife, Appreciate you bro. Hey, not being funny, guys, and this is what I mean. Is it really the Bible? Because listen to all the albums that you just named that got recertified, okay, what about Southern Playalistic Cadillac music and ATLians? What about Soul Food by Goody Mob? You feel what I'm saying, like, what about those three albums? Yeah, what about 8 Ball and MJG's Coming Out Hard?
Speaker 3:That's Deshaun's point. It's an.
Speaker 1:East.
Speaker 3:Coast publication. They're not going to extend their hand too far to the south or the west UGK's Riding Dirty you feel what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying See, cool, that's where you got Breaking Adams as my main source, but you don't have two lives through, as nasty as they want to be. That's our Breaking Adams down here.
Speaker 4:You feel me it is, see, cool, that's the thing. That's where we need to maybe a part two to have the conversation around this. We take it to the South, and take it to the Midwest, and take it to the West coast.
Speaker 1:Lil' Kim's hardcore better than the score, shit yeah.
Speaker 3:But yeah to Sean's point, it was a lot of curating that went into this and then I was like thinking hard as hell, trying to figure out a way to come up with the seedings. That wasn't a heavy lift.
Speaker 1:And, like I said, you know what I would actually like to do. When we get done with all this and all this comes out, maybe we just need to reset the barometer and just come up with the five Mike albums by year that actually were five Mike albums.
Speaker 3:That list would be a lot longer. I know that.
Speaker 1:That's cool, but it needs to be done, and done properly, because they didn't do it properly. They still didn't go back and fix it, then some of the stuff we need to have legitimate conversations about. Think about this Ghost is a top 10 MC. Ghost didn't have one entry in here.
Speaker 3:No, but he had Cuba Links in there. He contributed.
Speaker 4:Iron man is going to revisit it. Iron man is a great CD, if I tell you it should be revisited?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it should be. And not to mention the play-in. To even get here, like I mean, we're all of a certain age, we're in our early 40s, but those play-in albums were tough. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Those tough are some of the decisions we made in live time with some of the albums.
Speaker 3:Those albums from 88, 89? Look.
Speaker 4:It was written out and we left Hell on Earth out Both would have gave a lot of money, Money waters.
Speaker 3:Would have given more money. Like I said, it was hard to put this together and not be biased. In the easiest way I figured I could do that is like well, the five mics was coveted early on, so if you were able to achieve that early on, you get the higher ranking. I mean, I'm not, I'm not trying to be mean but some people need to be.
Speaker 1:This is why I'm saying we need to revisit it. It's like I don't know. Some people deserve five mics, some people need to be d mic. Some of these five mic albums are not five mic albums. I've been saying for a long time that, as much as I love tribe called quest, people's instinctive isn't a five, it's a four, four and a half. It's not a five, because the low end theory of midnight marauders is a five. How can you listen to those?
Speaker 1:two albums and take the pink people on the same level we need to swap some.
Speaker 3:So we of this shit, but let's shoot them some bail. People's Instinctive was the first to get that.
Speaker 1:We're kind of having revisionist history and saying Midnight Marauders is a low-end theory, but at that time they thought that was the pinnacle you see what I'm saying, but respectfully speaking, for when People's Instinctive came out, long Live the Cane had already came out, which is a better album. Payton Fully and Follow the Leader it came out. It Takes a Nation it came out. Grace and Venture's Slick Rick it came out. Oh no, they already knew what a classic looked like, so they had no business giving it a five any goddamn way. That's right For real.
Speaker 1:Like so they had no business giving it any goddamn way. That's real, because nobody in their right mind thinks that people's instinctive is on the same level as painful and criminal-minded. And it takes a nation and the greatest adventures of slick rick, and that's what I mean. Are we sure that they're the bible? Because really, what you're telling me is people's instinctive got the first five, you're telling me. You've been fucking it up from the jump is what you've been telling me.
Speaker 3:I texted Sean. I was like yo remember I texted you. I was like yo, these albums that got the fours and the four and a half might wax the ones that got the five.
Speaker 1:Back up. They didn't revisit Moment of Truth and give it five. No, I'm out. I'm out, show's over.
Speaker 3:No Gangstar album is on here.
Speaker 1:Not Moment of Truth, not Hard to Earn, nothing, unless you want to watch Coop Unwrapped. Before the show Coop Unwrapped comes out, we're going to end this show.
Speaker 4:We broke it down into pillars. We broke it down like the original five, the 4.5s, the 4s. It was going to be that intricate, just to show how much they were off the mark.
Speaker 1:And then the ones that weren't rated in the first place, and this is what I mean about the Southern thing. It's like oh no, they gave Project Pat, mr Don't Play, three mics. That'll get you murdered down here. I'm joking, memphis niggas will hurt you about that shit. You get Mr Don't Play Because people down here Mr Don't Play is our purple tape. That's just heavy on it.
Speaker 3:But what I love about how this bracket turned out was a lot of the ones that you know. Just like this NCAA tournament is going to turn out, it's never a case where all number one seeds make it to the final four. You know what I'm saying. The albums that were in the lower seedings that got four and four and a half ratings. They made up 75 percent of the final four. So you know, the bracket is really realistic in that way. And you know, shout out to my girl for my helping me put together. She put a lot of work in it. You know what I'm saying. So I'd be remiss if I didn't say that. You know what I'm saying. This is hard to do and hard to judge too. Even when I was like putting them together, I was like I wasn't trying to judge it because I wanted to save my real reaction for the show, but some of these joints was crazy.
Speaker 4:It was tough.
Speaker 1:LP saying Getty Green is better than Mr Don't Play. That's how I know. You're not from down here, All right.
Speaker 3:LP the Queens get the money too. Lp. Lp the Queens get the money too. Lp. Shout out LP. But yo, this is mad fun y'all for real Shout out to the chat.
Speaker 1:We appreciate y'all. We appreciate y'all staying so long and hard in the chat with us. We still got over 100 people rocking with us in the chat, so we appreciate y'all all loving support I mean take us home, please, sir.
Speaker 3:Yo real quick. It's been a lot of brackets out here because we in bracket season, but we did ours right.
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