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Episode 4.4 -I'm Gonna Love Her For Both of Us | Making Love out of Nothing at All

• Emma Crossland & Sam Wilkinson • Season 4 • Episode 4

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There's a spate of inadequate male lovers in this episode. Is Meat Loaf's friend a bad boyfriend? Are Air Supply just a bit too full of themselves? We stay firmly in the early 80s this time with a not-hit from Dead Ringer and an arrogant Best of from Air Supply. BUT:

- Is "white soul ballad" a compliment?
- What's Emma's bath technique?
- How sympathetic is Meat Loaf to his band's drug habits?

PLUS a bit of a chat about how male behaviour is coded in media, plus a lot of the usual nonsense. Except emails, we were a bit tired and forgot to do those this time.

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Music extracts on this episode:


I'm Gonna Love Her for Both of Us by Meat Loaf from the album Dead Ringer (1981)

Making Love out of Nothing at All by Air Supply from the album Greatest Hits (1983)

Making Love out of Nothing at All by Bonnie Tyler from the album Free Spirit (1995)

Letter to Pin by Cuban Link from the album Chain Reaction (2005)

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Emma:

What is this?

Sam:

This is Chat Out of Hell, the fortnightly podcast about how good Meat Loaf's music was and why Jim Steinman deserves all the credit. Who is Meat Loaf?

Emma:

Meat Loaf was a big bloke with long hair. He was really good at singing until he cut it all off in the nineties when suddenly he got less good at singing. A bit like Samson from the Bible. Who is Jim Steinman?

Sam:

Jim Steinman was a thinner bloke who ate like a big bloke. He had long hair too, and he never cut it off, even though his career peaked in the eighties. A bit like Jesus from the Bible. Who are we?

Emma:

We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson, two comedians who have a couple of shows coming up soon. We're gonna be at the Ram Festival in Derby this coming Saturday at 6:30 PM in the Tudor Bar at the Old Bell. We'll be performing our show Mean Business, which has been described as a capitalist fever dream. Our comedy show features silly videos, an excellent slideshow and some crimes against Photoshop. It's pay what you feel. It will be a lovely way for you to spend your Saturday evening. And why not check out some of the other shows at the festival too, but check our out first,

Sam:

how organically delivered. Welcome to Chat Out of Hell. So Emma, what's this podcast

Emma:

This podcast is me and you listening to some Meat Loaf and having a good old chat

Sam:

And then,

Emma:

and we commit it to tape. Tape.

Sam:

This is why Emma doesn't normally do this bit, and then we rate them on our patented Jim Steinman and or Meat Loaf song rating

Emma:

Oh yeah. That bit.

Sam:

Do you remember the thing that we do every

Emma:

episode that That thing

Sam:

an episode? Yeah. Yeah.

Emma:

Then we rate them. Yes. We rate them on our patented scales.

Sam:

So Emma, what song have you brought for our listeners?

Emma:

I've brought, I'm Gonna Love Her for Both of Us from Dead Ringer. What have you brought, Sam?

Sam:

I've brought Making Love Out of Nothing at All, which was performed by Air Supply in the early 1980s.

Emma:

Lovely.

Sam:

So we doing your song first today?

Emma:

Yes. Let's,

Sam:

let's,

Emma:

There is a video on, the YouTubes. It's nothing special, but it might be worth a watch. You don't have to, you could listen to the song somewhere else if you like. Maybe on an LP or an eight track, or maybe you could just slap out the rhythm on your thighs. Oh,

Sam:

that is good.

Emma:

Thank you.

Sam:

And I'll be slapping out the rhythm to this very short

Emma:

like something else. The album version, which I believe is the version we've just looked at is seven minutes and nine seconds long. the last two minutes of that is just repeating"I'm gonna love her for both of us" in classic Jim style.

Sam:

Oh, crikey.

Emma:

What do you think of this one then, Sam?

Sam:

it's all right. I quite like it. Yeah. The album version is a heck of a seven minute Yeah. Cut. As the cool kids say.

Emma:

a single edit which came in at a minuscule four minutes,

Sam:

25. I think that's probably the version that I've been listening to this week. I don't remember it dragging on quite that much. Comparing it to other Steinman mega epics. Like the radio edit of I'd do Anything for Love is about seven minutes. Yeah. That's got so much more crammed into it than this. Yeah. It's okay. It just lacks a certain amount of oomph.

Emma:

Yeah. It's not got different parts

Sam:

it. No, it doesn't have a multi act

Emma:

There There is a, bridge, but. That's it. There isn't the lovely multi act structure that we're used to from a big Jim production. Mm-hmm. Big Jim productions,

Sam:

Big Jim productions presents Crossland and Wilkinson.

Emma:

However, it does have a lot of drama

Sam:

it. It does have a lot of drama in it. You are so bad at sex. I have to take this over. What a great concept for a song.

Emma:

I think it's a little bit more than that. Yep. Nope, That's how you're reading.

Sam:

It I refuse to dig any deeper

Emma:

in deeper. You don't think that it's, a woman that's in a relationship with a horrible man who happens to be a friend of Mr. Loaf. I dunno why I'm being so formal.

Sam:

Loaf Do, you know, miss in a relationship with a horrible man?

Emma:

Meat Loaf, he's friends with this guy, but she's calling to him like a siren. And he wants to rescue her. He's playing the hero. Oh. And he is gonna love her for both of them. That's how much love he's got to

Sam:

because her boyfriend doesn't love her

Emma:

Yeah, Yeah. That's it. And also he's probably like bad at sex and Meat Loaf presumably he's good at

Sam:

Oh, he's dead good at it. Is he? He knows all the ways.

Emma:

What? Both of them.

Sam:

both of the ways.

Emma:

Wow.

Sam:

You'll be done before Coronation Street's that's a Meat Loaf guarantee.

Emma:

That's quite the mental image, isn't it? There are some deeply dramatic, religious lyrics in this. The example that I've got here is I'll let her shine like a jewel in the crown of the Holy Son. You turn her into a ghost, but she'll be burning when the night is done. Although that does imply some sort of STI,

Sam:

I was thinking Joan of Arc, but either way it's not ideal for the poor lady. No.

Emma:

Listening to this sort of thing as a teenager set me up for ridiculous ideas of what romance should

Sam:

be.

Emma:

And so I assumed that I

Sam:

are we about to break into a Meat Loaf memories

Emma:

Um, not really. Oh. But it was fun to

Sam:

No Meat Loaf memories today.

Emma:

No, Nothing specific. Just a, an overarching

Sam:

Okay. Okay. You went into life Ill prepared for what real romance

Emma:

was. I was expecting to be swept off my feet by a boy, Uhhuh. And none of them did. None of them, especially the one, the ones that I was really interested in. They didn't know that I was really interested in them, and God, I wasn't gonna tell them.

Sam:

Oh no, that's excruciating. Oh God. Oh.

Emma:

if you tell people what you want, then they might know what you want. We can't be having that, can we?

Sam:

That's simply not how this society functions, Emma. We're. Back to this again. Why do British teenagers, oh, why did British teenagers so enjoy the music of Meat Loaf? Because Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman in their world can do and say things that we could never do and say like, I think you are nice will you go out with me.

Emma:

oh Oh dear.

Sam:

God.

Emma:

So yeah, this was, another one for Awkward Teenage Emma

Sam:

Uhhuh.

Emma:

Bless her stupid face It's a lovely dramatic song. Romantic Jim in there, about a guy who's fed up watching a woman he cares about being mistreated by a partner who happens to be his best mate. He steps in and says, I'm gonna love her. I'm gonna do it. Right. I have got a small clipping from, a review of Dead Ringer, but it does mention the song, it's from Sounds Magazine in 1981 by Sandy Robertson."Booming piano chords lead into a thundering, sweating white soul ballad of I'm Gonna Love Her for both of us, which builds layer upon layer of baroque acoustic jangles and vocal harmonies until we're immersed in a hit single bubble bath full of frothy heartbeats and glittering prizes."

Sam:

Wow. White soul ballad cannot be a compliment, right.

Emma:

And yet to think it's supposed to be. I'm enjoying the, bubble bath full of frothy heartbeats.

Sam:

Oh.

Emma:

That's not what I've had in my bubble bath earlier today.

Sam:

you had a bubble bath today. came to my house at like three o'clock this afternoon to do work together. Did you have a bath this morning? You live the

Emma:

life. What's wrong with having, a lovely morning

Sam:

Oh, I think just think of baths as an evening treat.

Emma:

but can be a lovely way to start the

Sam:

I start the day asleep. Yeah. And then you want me to go into what is effectively being asleep, but also surrounded by warm water.

Emma:

It's just, just a nice way

Sam:

I have difficulty enough getting out of bed to, to say, oh, once you're finally out of bed, you can go to what is effectively bed lite. I'm just in awe, Emma. a bath to me is after a long, hard day's gardening,

Emma:

evidently you sleep better than

Sam:

Certainly in the morning I do. Yeah..

Emma:

Do you wanna hear what Meat Loaf had to say about the song in his biography?

Sam:

I do, but first I wanna say, listeners, when do you have your baths? Let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. Bubbles, candles. One of those little trays with a glass of wine on, like in a film. Let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com.

Emma:

Would you ever consider eating in the bath?

Sam:

Oh, that's filth. I sometimes have a cup of tea in the

Emma:

cup of tea.

Sam:

tea. Again, the most British, not that whole thing of bubbles and candles everywhere. And a, a glass of champagne. No, I, I sit there with a biscuit, a brew on the side. No,

Emma:

okay. Just curious.

Sam:

all. Yeah. Do you eat in the bath?

Emma:

Might do

Sam:

at breakfast time.

Emma:

No, No, not at breakfast

Sam:

full English.

Emma:

No, what I like to do is order something on Just Eat and have them bring it up to me

Sam:

and get banned from that restaurant.

Emma:

from that restaurant. Oh, so many bans, but you know, new restaurants keep popping up all the time down

Sam:

to ordering from Greg's. Now nowhere else'll

Emma:

take

Sam:

your orders. orders Emma, what did Meat Loaf say about this?

Emma:

I once again pulled my Kindle out and did a search'cause I'm not reading the whole thing. There's only one mention of the song in the entire book, Uhhuh, I will read you the excerpt. Now. the guitar player on the session was playing the lead solo to, I'm Gonna Love Her for both of us. And right there in mid riff, he ODs, as we are recording. He just keeled over, slumped down and all of a sudden you hear this near,'Hey, nice sound. What's he doing?' We knew about his problem. We told the roadie, whatever you do, do not give him drugs. Period. Roadie went right out and scored for him. We had to take him to the hospital. Lead guitar players, they're all out there on Planet Stratocaster. Trust me." And that's it. That's the only mention of the song.

Sam:

Holy fuck.

Emma:

was a single.

Sam:

We'll talk about this as a single in a minute. Can

Emma:

Can get

Sam:

onto Captain Empathy?

Emma:

So he's got a lead guitarist with

Sam:

Is the guitar player named? No.

Emma:

Nope.

Sam:

Good. He certainly seems quite grumpy at the prospect of taking a man to hospital. And let us not forget Meat Loaf is somebody who couldn't record the album he was supposed to, record'cause he was so fucked up.

Emma:

Yeah. But this is in writing in, I suppose, the nineties Uhhuh when he'd cleaned everything up. When man. drugs aren't cool, man.

Sam:

Doesn't paint a nice picture of himself there, does he?

Emma:

No, but also I wanted to know about the song. There's so little about the interesting stuff in this autobiography. It's so much admin and it, it is a bit like watching Dead Ringer.

Sam:

I was about to say the, the the the Dead ringer movie he's so annoyed at all the admin he has to do and he's still grumpy about it 15 years later when he sits down to write his autobiography. Do you think being a rockstar's cool do you, well, I had this form then this

Emma:

form, this agent did this and this manager did that.

Sam:

that, and spreadsheets were in their infancy.

Emma:

Just tell me about the songs and how much you enjoyed singing them or, or, you know, a funny anecdote about it.'cause this isn't a funny anecdote. No, this is horrible.

Sam:

This is not a fun anecdote.

Emma:

So this was a single, and it did hit the charts. It reached number 40 in New Zealand, number 62 in the UK, and number 84 in the US billboard Hot 100, which was Meat Loaf's only single to chart in the US in the eighties. Yeah. Apparently

Sam:

that what? Bloody

Emma:

Yeah.

Sam:

But there are better singles off this album.

Emma:

Yeah. It's not up there with the best, but it's, fun. Do you wanna know what the internet

Sam:

said. I'd love to hear what the internet people

Emma:

@Ctookwell, 6 5, 6 2 said"I'll let her shine like a jewel in the crown of the Holy Son. Damn it, Jim, do you realize these stupidly high expectations that women now expect men to aspire to because of these lyrics? Seriously, though, even when I was younger and first heard the Dead Ringer album, this lyric really stuck out for me. Still gives me chills.

Sam:

So this person is crediting Jim Steinman with the invention of feminism?

Emma:

Nope.

Sam:

If Jim hadn't written that, we could have still been sitting around in our underpants

Emma:

and the girls would be

Sam:

Yeah. Choosing a woman off the streets.

Emma:

Mr. Bush 1 6 9. 1 6 9, said, wake up honey. I've got some news. Um, so I'm breaking up with you, but don't worry. Meat Loaf is your boyfriend now. Yeah, the singer. We made a deal last night. Yeah. So I'll just leave and whoa, what's wrong? I mean, no, you don't have a say in it apparently, but, uh, look, Meat sung me a whole song. It was very persuasive. He can explain. Anyway. He'll pick you up at eight."

Sam:

He's got you there Meat Loaf

Emma:

When I first heard this, I had the thought, but what does she think about all of this? But then there is a lyric in there that she's singing like a siren to him. But, but

Sam:

I um, well there's two things to say on that. One is that sirens are mythological monsters.

Emma:

Luring people onto the rocks, their death. So is she luring Meat Loaf into a fight?

Sam:

Into a fight, A punch up, yeah.

Emma:

Over her. Because if, if, if say one of your best friends came out with all of this about your wife. I know. I know. You're very

Sam:

Yeah, I was gonna say, you've probably picked the wrong person to imply that that would cause a fight, but Sure. I get

Emma:

where you're going. Yeah.

Sam:

There would be no punch up. I would politely ask them to leave.

Emma:

So that's what the people of the internet thought of this song. It's probably time to find out what we think of it.

Sam:

it. Oh, hello? That's a good little link that, isn't it cute? Ah, check that

Emma:

Mm. It's time to get out our Jim Steinman scale At the very top of the scale, for the very best of the best, it's a Jim Steinman. For the middle ranking songs, it's a Jim Fineman, and for the dross it's a Jim Declineman. What do you think, Sam?

Sam:

It's a Jim Fineman. It, it's got the bones of a Jim Steinman and maybe, uh. it I think if Jim had been involved in production, if Todd Rundgren had had a hand in it Yeah.

Emma:

If the A team was involved.

Sam:

Exactly. This is a small letter, a team song given over to the B team.

Emma:

It's an understudy song, isn't it? It's, yeah. You've gone to the performance and you're a little bit disappointed. It's still good, but you're a bit disappointed that you're not gonna see the star.

Sam:

It's a Jim Fineman. fine.

Emma:

It's fine. It's

Sam:

right. fine. Fine.

Emma:

I wouldn't turn it away.

Sam:

Yeah, I wouldn't kick it outta bed.

Emma:

So what have you brought then, Sam?

Sam:

Great question. Emma. Thank you for asking me that completely unprompted.

Emma:

I,

Sam:

I've brought the song Making Love Out of Nothing at All, which Jim Steinman wrote for the band Air Supply in 1983. A lot of other people have covered it. You and I are gonna listen to quite a few of the covers. The listeners don't have to, um, but yeah, find Making love out of nothing at all. It does have a music video. We're probably gonna talk about it a little bit. Okay. But, you know, see how that goes.

Soundtrack:

and I try and I.

Sam:

So we've just listened to Making Love Outta Nothing at All by Air Supply. Emma, what do you think?

Emma:

It, it's not my

Sam:

Use your words, not your

Emma:

face. Yeah, it's not my favorite. Okay.

Sam:

Okay.

Emma:

Um. I'm looking forward to hearing some covers.

Sam:

we'll do some facts. Okay.. This is a recycle. Originally from the score to the film, A Small Circle of Friends, which Jim scored in 1980., It's another of the songs that Meat Loaf has claimed was written for him

Emma:

Right.

Sam:

not sure if I buy it.

Emma:

It doesn't feel very Meat Loaf, does it? No, it It's not dramatic

Sam:

loaf. The narrative of this one is a bit,. I am so good at everything and you are a bit rubbish, but you still love me. Or alternative. I can't believe how good you are at coping with all my colossal fuckups. It's not a love song, is

Emma:

It's not a love song.

Sam:

So much of the internet thinks it is. Oh, no.

Emma:

Oh, no.

Sam:

And coupled with that video Oh,

Emma:

Oh, that

Sam:

Yeah, the video. For those who've not seen it, it's mostly Air Supply singing down a camera, which which is not great. But it's intercut with filmic vignettes of a man who comes home from the Marines and he meets a lady on the street. And then over the following vignettes of their relationship, we learn what an unsuitable manchild of a partner he

Emma:

is. Yes. Yes. and then in the end, she seems to forgive him.

Sam:

No, I don't think so.

Emma:

so. Or it looks like that she's considering,

Sam:

so the last bit of vignette is. He's thrown some plates around and screamed in the kitchen, and he's trying to get her to forgive him. But then it cuts to a scene of the two, kind of in silhouette. Yes. And they're almost hugging, but then they walk past each you know, death of the author, et cetera. but either way, that is not a cool dude to be in a relationship with. The vignettes show him flirting with other women and completely ignoring their young baby that comes along. And it's, it's all, I don't know how to read this. I mean, I know how I read it now, but I don't know if the intent back then was like, oh, he's, he's messed up, but he is trying his best.

Emma:

It's, an uncomfortable watch. it? Yeah.

Sam:

That was the second video they made. Oh God. Well, I've not seen the first one, but it was apparently just about. A similar sort of idea, but the vignettes were just about how hard it is to be in a band on tour.

Emma:

Oh, aw. Poor, poor people who get to do what they want to do for a living. Oh, well,

Sam:

But at the same time, you know, better than this. Better than this other video about men coming home from war are grumpy bastards.

Emma:

You see these men coming home from war, there's obviously all sorts of complex issues, so get some fucking therapy

Sam:

Air Supply are an Anglo Australian soft rock duo consisting of Graham Russell on vocals and guitar, and Russell Hitchcock on vocals. Two Russells. A bit annoying, founded in 1975. Their biggest hit is probably All out of Love. I'm all out of love.

Emma:

I'm so lost without you.

Sam:

This is so long. That's us paying some rights there. Jim wrote for Air Supply, at about the same time that he was writing for quite a few other people. So this is after Dead Ringer. He's going out and looking for other people to work with. He writes this one song for Air Supply. It was released on their 1983 album, Greatest Hits.

Emma:

It

Sam:

It had not previously been released. This doesn't count as a greatest hit, and this behavior should be banned

Emma:

It's a cynical attempt to get people to buy it because then they get some extra songs that they've not heard before. So you get all the bangers plus a couple of unreleased songs, so it makes like the,

Sam:

that's fine, call your album Greatest Hits and Some Unreleased Songs.

Emma:

You're a very literal man, aren't

Sam:

Mostly the Greatest Hits, But Also We Did This With Jim the Other Week. Jim Steinman said, when Loaf heard about it, I was told, he said, producing Air Supply? That goes against everything he lives for," Graham Russell of the band thought very highly of Jim. And on Jim's death, he posted on social media. Today we lost one of the world's greatest songwriters. There aren't many left now, but Jim Steinman was one of those rare, unique composers that carved his own path and created his own style that others could only hope to follow. I feel so privileged to have known Jim and for Air Supply to have recorded one of his incredible songs."

Emma:

That's a really lovely thing to say.

Sam:

thing to say. Do you know what Jim said about Air Supply? I'm

Emma:

I'm guessing it's not as lovely.

Sam:

Two boring idiots from Australia. Working with them was almost accident. When I took that, I didn't have any other work at all and I needed the money."

Emma:

Amazing. Jim. Oh,

Sam:

The band on this song are mostly, Jim Steinman and the A team. So Rory Dodd, Eric Troyer and Holly Sherwood are on backing vocals. Roy Bittan and Max Weinberg are there. On lead guitar, it's Rick Derringer. Okay.

Emma:

Do Rings a

Sam:

He passed away this week. His obituary has been all over the place. He was a very big name in guitar. He was friends with Todd Rundgren and did a lot of work with Jim and Meat in the early eighties. Rick has appeared once on this podcast. Right. Because he wrote the awful Real American song for Hulk Hogan. Oh God. But let's look past that. He also wrote the song Masculine On Blind Before I Stop.

Emma:

So that's song we'll have

Sam:

I, yeah, I

Emma:

was gonna say,

Sam:

so I've got a lot of people to talk about on this one. So I thought next time I'm gonna bring Masculine and we can learn a bit about Rick. Air Supply were relegated to just singing on this. And may I say, so the video has them both standing, looking down the lens and singing

Emma:

Yeah.

Sam:

Singing has to be the hardest job in a band.'cause what do you do with your hands? when you're not singing, you just stand there looking

Emma:

This is why you need a tambourine.

Sam:

Yeah. Or one of the little eggs. A shaky egg, or a tambourine Are you a singer? Let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. What do you do with your hands when it's not your turn to be doing stuff? Oh, weird dancing. Yeah. Do you wanna listen to some other versions?

Emma:

Yes, please.

Sam:

Bonnie Tyler covered this in 1995.

Emma:

did.

Sam:

Course she did. Of she bloody did.

Soundtrack:

I can make, I can make.

Emma:

That's more like it. Yeah. That, that's much more like it way on board with that. That's fun.

Sam:

It is fun, isn't it? The video we've just seen is

Emma:

we've got Baz Luhrman Romeo and Juliet angels. Yeah.

Sam:

Black and white obviously.

Emma:

Yeah.. Trying to make Bonnie Tyler look a bit like Tori Amos. Yeah. Not doing terribly well at that, but Yeah.

Sam:

But all of that does divorce it from the context of spousal abuse. Yes. That You got in the, in the air

Emma:

also horny Bonnie's

Sam:

Horny Bonnie's back. Yeah. There are extra lyrics in this version. I can make you find your power. I can make you lose your fear. I can make your body do some very magical things and make your inhibitions disappear. Oh, Bonnie!

Emma:

Oh,

Sam:

crikey.

Emma:

a dirty girl.

Sam:

Jim produced that alongside Steven Rinkoff. You can tell Jim had a hand in that. Oh, yes. Yeah, It's very nineties in some negative ways. I suspect, a generic drum machine there instead of Max Weinberg. Yeah. Getting involved. I don't know who played piano on it. It doesn't sound like Jim's playing but it's. It's a better,

Emma:

I enjoyed that a lot more.

Sam:

Yeah. The operatic, he

Emma:

singing background.

Sam:

This is lovely. It's a recording of Bonnie's mum. Oh wow. Yeah, her mum, Elsie Hopkins singing a bit of Madame

Emma:

Oh, lovely. So her

Sam:

mum was a, a singer as well.

Emma:

That's really, that's quite cool. That's that's really nice.

Sam:

Emma, do you want another version

Emma:

another version How many versions are there, Sam? Who was that?

Sam:

You look rightly confused. I really doubt you've heard this person before. This was a demo produced by Jim. This was never released. It's a 2001 demo by Karine Hannah. No,

Emma:

Nope.

Sam:

Karine was an act that Jim worked with, as kind of his next big thing. Okay. He made a series of demos with her of, some stuff from some of his musicals and things like this. Sometime after these four demos leaked to the internet, Karine and her management decided to pursue other

Emma:

options.

Sam:

Jim wasn't trying his hardest

Emma:

on I know it's a

Sam:

it's a

Emma:

but that's

Sam:

Yeah. It's like the cheapest karaoke track. Jim's only surviving comment on this project is Karine has the best voice I've worked with since Celine Dion. He worked with Celine about two years before. Notice he didn't say Bonnie Tyler. Karine's gonna pop up a little bit on these demos, and actually she does sing a really good version of, Braver Than We Are. sort of, she was kind of a brand new act that trying to work didn't work

Emma:

for. Nurturing, Not grooming,

Sam:

But let's skip ahead now to 2010, where Bonnie Tyler teams up with a man called Matt Petrin.

Soundtrack:

Hey. Oh.

Emma:

I hate it so much already.

Soundtrack:

How to whisper and just how to cry.

Emma:

I hate that. That's like somebody, I dunno who the guy's singing. You mentioned his name, but it's immediately fallen outta head. Matt Petrin. Matt Petrin. And whoever's produced it, did they just fall onto all of the effect?

Sam:

Bonnie's own version was so 1990s. That was so late. Two thousands. That's it's awful, isn't it? Matt Petrin is a man of so little consequence that not only does he have no Wikipedia page, he also appears to have no biographical details or reviews anywhere on the internet. Wow.

Emma:

Wow. And from

Sam:

that recording, we can see why. Yes. I guess Bonnie was just walking past the studio at the time. I'll show you the cover art very quickly. It

Emma:

Quality cover art there.

Sam:

cover art. Yes. Her cold dead eyes staring out at the camera as if to say, I wish I'd invested my 1980s

Emma:

Make money.

Sam:

hit money better. It's awful. Uh, there is more.

Soundtrack:

up, twin? I'm just sitting back, man, thinking about all the good times. We had a lot of things been going on I just thought it was time for me to sit down and write you a letter. You know what I.

Sam:

Yeah, that was a little bit of Letter to Pun by the rapper Cuban Link in 2005. Probably neither of our wheelhouse

Emma:

this. Yeah. It's

Sam:

I think this is the first time we've ever had a Steinman tune sampled in a rap

Emma:

that that's

Sam:

know of.

Emma:

cross genre Experience. Yeah.

Sam:

And finally, Rory Dodd,

Emma:

of

Soundtrack:

I know how and I know how to cry. I know how. I know just how to, I know.

Emma:

Lovely

Sam:

Rory Dodd coming in to save us at

Emma:

the end

Sam:

Oh, thank you Rory. You good egg. Rory really knows how to make a Steinman song work. And no wonder Jim basically tested everything out on him to go work with

Emma:

and kept him prisoner. Well, yes. I kind of imagined that, Jim's got Rory like

Sam:

in a tower, Rapunzel style.

Emma:

Rapunzel style. Rory

Sam:

let down your mustache.

Emma:

and all Rory's

Sam:

I sing this demo for you, will you let me go? Jim, Would you like the quiz? Air Supply have had a lot of members over the years, but which of these wasn't a member of Air Supply at any point? Okay,

Emma:

Okay,

Sam:

A guitarist Antonio Monge. B Backing singer Raphael Perdigones, or C Drummer Nigel Macaray.

Emma:

I know what you're doing. Sam.

Sam:

Who was it then Emma?.

Emma:

I don't think it was Nigel Macaray.

Sam:

you think Nigel Mac was never a member of

Emma:

I think Nigel Macaray was never in Air Supply.

Sam:

Do you wanna know how delighted I am that was a real drummer in the band

Emma:

Fuck off.

Sam:

He left in 1978. I think it's probably pronounced Macra. But the Russells probably said macaray, nah. Antonio Monga and Raphael Perdigones were of course Los del Rio. Singers of the novelty hit Macarena.

Emma:

Of course Of course. I fell for

Sam:

so excited when I found

Emma:

that Oh, I can see. Yeah, you'll have scurried away.

Sam:

You danced. I'll get her with this.

Emma:

Well done. Yep. Lovely. Thanks. Lovely. bit of trivia.

Sam:

People of the internet?

Emma:

people of the internet, God bless'em

Sam:

at GN Berger. 14. Mm-hmm. My girlfriend, this song is old. me. your mum is old and you still listen to her

Emma:

Oh dear.

Sam:

At Steve Rothblatt 9 9 2 3, this will always be one of a handful of songs that always sends chills up and down your spine, no matter how many times it is played. One of the many epic songs written by the late great genius, Jim Steinman. Reply from DwayneGriffiths490 this and Surf's Up. And if you've not yet heard Surf's Up. That's very

Emma:

funny.

Sam:

I think it's time to write this song, Emma. I think so. We're once again dusting off the Jim Steinman song Rating Scale. So is this Jim Steinman for top tier? Is it Jim Fineman for most of the stuff, or is it Jim Declineman for No, no. This is horrible. Jim, stop. Why? For

Emma:

For me, it's another Jim

Sam:

Fineman. It is a Jim Feinman. I'd love it to have been a Jim Steinman. It's if I'd never heard the Air Supply version, maybe I would've pushed for a Jim Steinman on it. It's probably another one that if it had had the Bat out of Hell Two treatment, it would've been epic. it would've been epic. Yeah. But there we go. This is a, Jim

Emma:

So I

Sam:

It's Fineman. was chat out of hell. What did you think of our song selection this time? Did you enjoy them? Did you think we were wrong with our ratings? Drop us a line chatoutofhell@gmail.com or you can drop us a line with your opinions on our songs for next time. And what are they gonna be, Emma?

Emma:

Oh, well I'm gonna bring Surf Up from Jim's album Bad for Good.

Sam:

Ooh. Callback to today's episode. Indeed. And I'm gonna make a double callback'cause I, yeah, I'm gonna bring the song Masculine. Which is on the album Blind Before I Stop written by Rick Derringer. I've not listened to Masculine at all, so no apologies in advance if it's A horrible or B just quite bad. But it maybe you have opinions on those. So do let us know. chatoutofhell@gmail.com. Do you have general Meat Loaf thoughts and anecdotes? Send those in as well. you see Meat Loaf keeping wicket at Edgebaston? Let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. That's a cricket reference. Americans, any other business? Emma,

Emma:

I have nothing else to say.

Sam:

Wonderful. We are gonna stop podcasting now. Bye bye. Bow now. Now.