6.2 - You Never Can Be Too Sure About the Girl | Rock N Roll Hero

We give Jim Steinman a rest on the bench this week, and instead discuss Meat Loaf's Divorced Dad era as he warns us about how you can't trust women in You Never Can Be Too Sure About the Girl then just sort of gently shouts a bit in Rock N Roll Hero. And while we're here, he answers questions like:

- What paranormal creature is Midnight at the Lost and Found really about?

- What possessed the members of KISS to all release solo albums on the same day?

- Why can't mums ever say your name without listing all your siblings' names first?

PLUS a deep dive into the membership of Rednex, bit of a chat about Mili Vanilli and the usual sundry nonsense.

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Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy. Music extracts on this episode:

You Never Can Be Too Sure About the Girl by Meat Loaf from the album Midnight at the Lost and Found (1987)
Rock N Roll Hero by Meat Loaf from the album Blind Before I Stop (1987)

Transcript

Emma 0:00

What is this?

Sam 0:01

This is Chat Out Of Hell, a podcast about the music of Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman, presented by two people who regret scheduling a podcast recording on the night of the Traitors final.

Emma 0:11

Who's Meat Loaf?

Sam 0:13

Meat Loaf was an actor and singer who, if he were cast on the Traitors, would be voted out on day one for being too shouty and upsetting the old lady that everybody likes. Who's Jim Steinman?

Emma 0:23

Jim Steinman was a composer and musician who, if he were cast on the Traitors, would somehow make it to the final, despite being objectively a liability.

Sam 0:33

Who are we?

Emma 0:34

We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson. Fans of the good works of Meat Loaf, and Jim Steinman and mega fans of Heck's sausages. Hashtag the chicken ones are really nice.

Sam 0:47

Heck's sausages. Welcome. That was an "Ah, Bisto" worthy.

Emma 0:54

Thank

Sam 0:55

Welcome to Chat out of Hell! Bow. Now, now, now.

Emma 1:00

Ding. Hey Sam.

Sam 1:01

Hi Emma. So we are watching the Traitors.

Emma 1:04

Yes. Yes we are. Obviously not at the moment 'cause we're doing this.

Sam 1:08

And

Emma 1:09

we're fine with that.

Sam 1:10

Like millions of people in Britain with nothing better to do. We now have to schedule all of January for television.

Emma 1:17

been good though, hasn't

Sam 1:18

It has been good. I appreciate this is gonna be poor chat for A people who aren't Traitors fans and B people. 'Cause when this goes out, it will have already finished. That's where we are at.

Emma 1:28

just where we're at at the moment.

Sam 1:30

you like the Traitors too, let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. I guess. Which Meat Loaf song would've made the best traitor chat out of hell@gmail.com?

Emma 1:42

Do do you have an answer to that or is that something you just plucked out of the air right

Sam 1:47

What do you think? I think the most treasonous Meat Loaf song. Is

Emma 1:55

Original Sin

Sam 1:57

Hot damn. That's good. Yeah, that's, that's what I think too. I've thought that all along,

Emma 2:02

that's the one that should be on the soundtrack. Song in a wispy way by

Sam 2:06

a

Emma 2:11

Cut to the turret.

Sam 2:14

Oh, that is good though. Yeah. What Meat Loaf song should be put through the Traitors lo-fi

Emma 2:23

The Spooky Traitors o-meter

Sam 2:24

The big button that everyone has on their mixing

Emma 2:27

Ah, traitor. It's next to the John Lewis button.

Sam 2:30

Oh, there we go. We salvaged some all right chat out that, didn't we?

Emma 2:32

Anyone would think that we were comedians.

Sam 2:35

Not

Emma 2:36

No, not everyone.

Sam 2:37

So this is Chat Out of Hell, which is a podcast about Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman

Emma 2:42

a jukebox

Sam 2:43

It is a jukebox podcast.

Emma 2:45

Where we do reviews and that.

Sam 2:46

Every episode, Emma and I dive into Meat Loaf or Jim Steinman's back catalogue to find a song, what they have recorded or written. And then we bring it here to tell each other. It's like a book report in school.

Emma 3:01

a musical show and tell.

Sam 3:02

It's a musical show and tell. We are gonna stand up in front of the class, and it's gonna be incredibly apparent how little we've prepared for this.

Emma 3:10

Ah, you read my homework already

Sam 3:13

the teacher is gonna sigh and write down six out of ten. And smoke another cigarette

Emma 3:19

And we'll all be fine with that. Did any of your school teachers openly smoke? Because one of ours, her office stunk

Sam 3:26

The staff room stank of smoke Huge clouds of it wafting out whenever a door opened. Those ashtrays that were like the foil that you get on a mini apple pie.

Emma 3:37

Oh yes, I remember those

Sam 3:40

Well, that's taken us back to the 1980s, hasn't it, Emma?

Emma 3:42

It has.

Sam 3:43

And do you know what else is gonna take us back to the 1980s?

Emma 3:46

Our selections,

Sam 3:47

our selections of songs, this episode. So what have you brought for our listeners to paw over?

Emma 3:52

I brought You Never Can Be Too Sure About The Girl from Midnight at The Lost and Found. What did you bring, Sam?

Sam 3:58

Emma, I have brought Rock N Roll Hero from Blind Before I Stop.

Emma 4:05

I'll bet it's really good.

Sam 4:07

I bet yours is not at all misogynistic.

Emma 4:10

Well, should we go away and have a listen to mine? And then we can come back and discuss how not misogynistic it definitely is.

Sam 4:16

Okay, let's do that. So listeners, find your YouTubes or your Spotifys or just pick up a ukulele and strum.

Emma 4:24

You Never Can Be Too Sure About the Girl

Sam 4:27

to yourself. We are gonna listen to it now. Is there a video? Thankfully, listeners, you are spared music videos this episode. But do go listen to that song like we're about to.

Emma 4:42

So that was, You Never Can Be Too Sure About The Girl from Midnight at the Lost and Found. Sam.

Sam 4:49

Hello.

Emma 4:49

What do you think to

Sam 4:51

I think it's quite telling, Emma, that while we were listening to that we were both getting on with some emails, and then we had a lengthy chat about a book that your husband's reading.

Emma 5:03

It's not a banger, is it?

Sam 5:04

It's not a banger, mate.

Emma 5:05

This is from Midnight at The Lost and Found. Yeah. We've only touched on this once. Yeah. When we covered the title song

Sam 5:12

This is the first post Steinman

Emma 5:14

Yes. At this point, Meat and Jim are having an acrimonious divorce. 1983.

Sam 5:20

So at this moment in time, Jim is off with Bonnie Tyler having a great time.

Emma 5:24

Jim is having an affair with

Sam 5:26

Bangers.

Emma 5:27

Yep. And Meat Loaf is struggling to say the least. He was obliged by his record label Epic to come up with another album. Basically I think what happened was he panicked because he got no Jim songs at all. And Meat Loaf will admit himself. He's not a songwriter. He takes other people's songs and creates the characters, blah, blah, blah. All that boring about him and his but for this, he had to get somebody else to do the writing. Okay. Because he tried and he, he's credited as writing on several of the songs. Okay. Including this one. He co-wrote it with bassist Steve Buslowe. Okay. Who he co-wrote Midnight of the Lost and Found with as well. Yeah. Steve Buslowe, along with Rick Derringer, who also did a lot of work with Meat and Jim over years. Yeah, I feel like those two are the children of the divorce that are trying to please mum and dad by working with both of them on pretty much everything.

Sam 6:27

Of course. Yes. And your Rory Dodds, your Todds, your Eric Troyers, they've all just gone off with Jim to

Emma 6:33

Jim fun. Who's mum and who's dad?

Sam 6:36

Well, we've just established that Jim is going off having affairs with sexy, young things and having the time of his life, whereas Meat. No.

Emma 6:46

Ah,

Sam 6:47

Meat is sitting alone in a basement eating a cold can of beans.

Emma 6:51

Meat thought he was gonna get the sexy

Sam 6:54

Yes.

Emma 6:57

So Jim is mum. And she has rediscovered herself.

Sam 7:01

Meat is the one who asked to open up this relationship cause he thought he'd do really well out of it.

Emma 7:07

Yep. Yep. I'm with you. That is, yes. Yeah. They, they're like the children with the divorce getting passed between Yes, They're mum and dad to work on their various projects. Yeah. And so they're working on the really successful stuff, like with Bonnie Tyler, and then they're working on this dirge.

Sam 7:24

It is, it is a dirge.

Emma 7:26

It's dull.

Sam 7:27

that's it. We'll get onto the misogyny. Yeah, And some songs with a horrible spirit behind them are still good fun. In spite of the awful subject matter some songwriters can still get you going "oh, there's quite a bit of a bop". Yeah. This is a sad drag of us. It's only like four minutes and it felt like forever.

Emma 7:48

It did. We had a conversation. Yeah. We talked about a book. I sorted out an email.

Sam 7:53

Uhhuh. it really drags out what could be a fun song about a jealous guy. Yeah. That's why I was thinking of divorced dads. 'cause it, it feels like the caricature of the kids being at dad's for the weekend and all he does is rant about how women are bitches Yes. In the background while you're playing Nintendo.

Emma 8:10

Yeah. Yeah. He's taken the kids, he's taken Steve and Rick to McDonald's.

Sam 8:15

Yes..

Emma 8:15

They've got the Happy Meal toys that they're playing with.

Sam 8:17

Yeah.

Emma 8:18

While dad drinks another beer and bitches about women, you just can never be too sure about them.

Sam 8:26

trust them. Lad don't trust women.

Emma 8:29

So yeah, Steve Busload did a load of the writing on this. Steve was a big part of the Meat Loaf thing for years. He was part of the Neverland Express as their bassist until 1997.

Sam 8:44

okay. So he left just at the right time.

Emma 8:46

Yeah. Yeah, I think he really did. He was involved in loads of the Meat Loaf Steinman stuff. Pandora's Box. Nice. Streets of Fire, the soundtrack for that. he was on the two beautiful, beautiful songs. I think he did some stuff on Jim's album. He said himself in an interview my last tour was with Meat Loaf in 1997. After doing all the touring, I was considering doing some producing, I don't know, I think I'd had enough. So I came back to Connecticut and I've been teaching over the last 12 to 13 years. I primarily teach bass guitar, but I'm pretty good at rock piano and I give piano lessons to a lot of kids. I also give guitar lessons to people." So it's really nice.

Sam 9:32

Are we gonna file this alongside Rory as people who got out

Emma 9:35

at the right time?

Sam 9:36

Well, not even at the right time, but not bitter.

Emma 9:39

Yeah, seems to be.

Sam 9:41

Quite well adjusted.

Emma 9:42

Yeah. It was on an interview I found on a KISS website. 'cause he did a bit of work with KISS's Paul Stanley on his solo album.

Sam 9:51

Ah. That one that we all remember. Yeah.

Emma 9:52

They each released a solo album under their own name. So their own name was the title of the album on the same day?

Sam 9:58

Intentionally? yeah. Or incredibly passive aggressively.

Emma 10:02

I don't know. I didn't wanna fall down that rabbit hole.

Sam 10:05

If I've got some money to buy a record, you've made me choose KISS. Don't make me choose. If I'm a Kiss Mega fan. I'm buying the Gene Simmons one 'cause he's the one out of KISS what everyone knows. Nobody's buying the one of that guy with the cat face makeup, are they?

Emma 10:22

I mean, I might, yeah. I like a cat.

Sam 10:26

Can we just talk about one of the lyrics in the song that I like with a big question mark? We've described it as being a bit misog but the general gist of the song is The singer is warning you about this girl who, all these things that she does, might be signs that she's cheating.

Emma 10:43

Yes. or she's,, definitely not one to pin down She's a bit of a floozy.

Sam 10:49

She's a bit of a floozy. "Oh, you never can be too sure about the girl. "You leave her there when you get back. "She calls you Bill when your name is Jack." Yeah. Have you ever had that moment?

Emma 10:59

What, when i've accidentally called a boyfriend by a previous boyfriend's name

Sam 11:03

or, when you never quite caught their name in... this isn't so much of a problem in the modern day 'cause everyone meets online. Yeah. But when you meet somebody in a pub or whatever, and you get like three opportunities to learn someone's name and once they've passed, that's it.

Emma 11:18

This happens to me quite a lot because I'm just terrible at retaining things. Not in like partner situation. I've always managed to remember the names my partners.

Sam 11:29

Oh, well done you.

Emma 11:29

Thank you. I have tried to limit the number of names, so I have had a couple of people of the same name. Which makes it so much easier.

Sam 11:36

Ingenious

Emma 11:37

Ed's not the first Ed.

Sam 11:38

Like a cat,

Emma 11:40

2?

Sam 11:41

Yeah. when one dies, you just bury it and get another one and hope the kids don't notice

Emma 11:47

She calls you Bill

Sam 11:48

The reason you should be suspicious is 'cause she briefly forgot your name.

Emma 11:52

Well, if she does that just in, in passing, then maybe it's not so much of a worry. But is she doing this while they're shagging.

Sam 12:01

Oh, I maybe

Emma 12:03

because that's a bit of a faux pas.

Sam 12:04

Well, my other thought, actually was mums. I know you don't have siblings, but mums will call you by anyone's name except your own.

Emma 12:13

I'm aware of this from my grandma who used to call all of us grandchildren by each other's names and of course by our aunts and uncle's names. It's a familiar,

Sam 12:22

I'm gonna call her on it. My mum repeatedly calls me by my nephew's name.

Emma 12:28

See, this is one of the great things about being an only child. I only very occasionally get called by the dog's name, it does happen, doesn't it, Mum? Even for a misogynistic song, it feels like misogyny, light. because it's such a dirge.

Sam 12:46

It's possible to write a song about being paranoid that you are being cheated on that isn't misogynist.

Emma 12:53

I imagine so.

Sam 12:54

I've never heard one,

Emma 12:55

I don't think, I don't think I have heard one, but

Sam 12:58

The subject matter for that is, oh God, I'm really paranoid. Rather than, oh God, look at all those things that she does. Yeah. That's the take. And this is delivered without a hint of irony that you can never be too sure. Cause she calls you Bill when your name is Jack,

Emma 13:14

And she, calls you up in the middle of the night, she says she's lonesome and alone. You're all revved up finally, someplace to go. You knock on that door, nobody's home. I would be pissed off.

Sam 13:26

That is suspicious, but that makes me think, not that she's cheating on me, but that she is a ghost. Oh, I think we just blew this thing wide open, Emma.

Emma 13:41

Oh, those straws. They're so well clutched.

Sam 13:44

you Bill when your name is Jack, because Bill was her husband who died in the war. She's forgotten more than you'll ever know. She is a ghost. Oh, we had said that Midnight at the Lost and Found, we also thought was a bit

Emma 14:00

a, bit of a,

Sam 14:00

ghosts.

Emma 14:01

spooky bar. Yeah. Full of raving ghosts.

Sam 14:04

Meat Loaf. I must apologize. I've completely misread this album.

Emma 14:08

They're all ghosts. Yep. Fuck it. This album is about ghosts,

Sam 14:15

Midnight at The Lost and... midnight is ghost time, isn't it?

Emma 14:18

It is ghost time. Ghosts only come out at midnight. at and they're all lost and looking to be found. Do you wanna hear what the people of the today?

Sam 14:25

I think we should. 'cause I, I think we're getting a bit delirious.

Emma 14:28

Yes. I think we probably are. Well, the people of the internet had absolutely nothing to say. No comments.

Sam 14:36

Or did they, but it was in a Ouija board.

Emma 14:40

Well, I thought we could probably fashion a Ouija board with things I've got laying around the and we could try and contact Meat Loaf. Listeners, do you have any advice about Ouija boards?

Sam 14:50

Let us know. chatoutofhell@gmail.com

Emma 14:52

Meat Loaf did have a comment about Midnight of The Lost and Found as an album Uhhuh. He said, "I hated that album. Midnight at The Lost and Found was a joke album. We couldn't do a record properly. I knew it was the last album for Epic, and they were really trying to control my life. It's like the old saying, kick him while he is down. I was down and they were really trying to throw in as many kicks as they could."

Sam 15:18

It was a joke album. Is that That's what he said, isn't it? It was a joke album In, and

Emma 15:24

retrospect,

Sam 15:25

is all the songs are about

Emma 15:27

ghosts, as a concept album, that makes it fascinating.

Sam 15:32

It does. But I am so heartbroken that the one man we know who could write a great album about ghosts. He's off

Emma 15:41

dealing with

Sam 15:42

sexy songs for Bonnie Tyler.

Emma 15:45

But ghosts didn't feature in the Jim, Yeah. It was all it's vampires it's it's all a bit vampires and it's all very Peter Pan.

Sam 15:54

Do you think that's why they broke up?

Emma 15:56

Because Meat Loaf wanted

Sam 15:56

to

Emma 15:56

do ghosts.

Sam 15:58

This time.

Emma 15:59

Oh, Jim, can we play ghosts this I'm bored of playing vampires. Please, please, can we play ghosts?

Sam 16:05

Oh, but this is exactly the sort of thing that would make Jim storm off in a 10 year huff. Yeah. I'm not writing you a single song about ghosts. Now shut up and get in this wolfman

Emma 16:22

We should probably rate Yeah.

Sam 16:24

So, Emma, this song was performed by Meat Loaf, not written by Jim Steinman. So we move over to our Meat Loaf song rating scale, which runs from Michael Lee Aday for his finest work. Michael Lee Okay. For some all right stuff. And Michael Lee No Way. For the songs that we think are bad and horrible.

Emma 16:51

It's a No Way, isn't

Sam 16:52

It is a No Way.

Emma 16:53

no way. The misogyny and the dirginess.

Sam 16:56

There's no redeeming qualities to this song. Except that I am now mentally soundtracking a movie where this song plays while a man is walking through town, getting haunted in various ways.

Emma 17:11

I can't wait to see it in cinemas.

Sam 17:13

Well, this song, it's a Michael Lee. No way.

Emma 17:21

Sam, what have you brought

Sam 17:23

Emma, I have brought Rock and Roll Hero, which was the final track on the album Blind before I Stop, released in 1986. And there is once again no video for it. Listeners will be glad to know. We are gonna listen to it right now via the medium recordings.

Emma 17:42

Good.

Sam 17:43

Why don't you treat yourselves and listen Rock and Roll Hero 1986. Emma, what do you think of that?

Emma 17:59

Oh that's the first time I've ever heard that.

Sam 18:01

Yeah. I could tell that from your face.

Emma 18:05

Is very eighties,

Sam 18:06

so eighties, isn't

Emma 18:07

isn't it? In all the worst ways.

Sam 18:10

Oh, okay.

Emma 18:11

In some ways it's quite fun. It started out quite fun, but the lyrics are so bad. This song about being a rock and roll hero how great it is. And there's a lyric that I really like. Owe it all to rock and roll, and I wouldn't wanna change a thing" except maybe like the lawsuits and the bankruptcy and falling out with the only guy that could write songs for me.

Sam 18:36

Oh, oh, oh, you rotter.

Emma 18:39

Yeah. Yeah. If you're gonna sing a song about being a rock and roll hero, you better be a rock and roll hero then.

Sam 18:44

But

Emma 18:46

at this point,

Sam 18:47

Oh, Emma, that is savage

Emma 18:49

at you are not. That is savage, isn't it?

Sam 18:53

I, don't know what to say to that. You've artfully taken Meat Loaf down.

Emma 19:00

I feel really mean now because, I love,

Sam 19:03

of course. I know, you'd love good Meat Loaf.

Emma 19:07

But this is bad Meat Loaf.

Sam 19:09

It bad Meat Loaf? Okay. I

Emma 19:11

come Have you got an argument for it then?

Sam 19:13

Well, I didn't expect this angle to be honest with you. But I I quite like this, so

Emma 19:20

hate it or anything. Let's frame it. It's

Sam 19:23

Yeah. It's it. So it's very eighties and it's another of the albums that Meat Loaf isn't gonna be a big fan of later on. Yeah. But that said, this song does give its name to a best of that came out in 92. Yeah. And I think, this song stayed in the live set list for quite a while.

Emma 19:39

I don't think it was there when I saw

Sam 19:41

No. Well, by then Bat Two had come out, so it was fine. Literally. Yes. it's silly fun.

Emma 19:47

Yeah.

Sam 19:47

Isn't it?

Emma 19:48

It's throw away

Sam 19:49

I think we've talked about it before. I can't remember what other songs we've come up with, but it's another one you could hear in a Bill and Ted soundtrack. Yeah. Like at the end of Bill and Ted two where they're playing God Gave Rock and Roll to You

Emma 20:00

You Yeah.

Sam 20:01

could swap this in.

Emma 20:02

I think it would come after that on the credits.

Sam 20:05

after all like the funny jokes over the credits and then it just comes up with the serious catering, et cetera,. yeah, yeah,

Emma 20:10

yeah. yeah. Fair enough. It'll be like the second credit song. Not the one that people are gonna go out and buy the

Sam 20:16

the bit that says it's okay for you to leave now. Go now. Unless you know someone who worked on this film,

Emma 20:22

watch these

Sam 20:23

I wonder if any animals will harm in the making of this production.

Emma 20:29

That is exactly where it belongs.

Sam 20:32

And actually the song itself probably fades down before it's finished. 'cause they've run out of credits before they run out of song.

Emma 20:38

Yes. Good.

Sam 20:40

Um, so, what was my point? Yeah, it's fun. It's light silly fun. Let's frame this. It's, it is the last track on this album. Yep. And this is another of the wilderness years albums. Yes. I, I, can't remember at this point how many bankruptcies he's been through, but he's just, he's plugging away and he is still going and he is still touring. He's doing whatever it takes to put food on the table. isn't that what true rock and roll heroes do?

Emma 21:09

I thought true Rock and Roll Heroes did like lines of cocaine off of strippers

Sam 21:13

did that already. Oh, okay. And that's why he's got all these money problems.

Emma 21:19

think it's just a string of poor decisions.

Sam 21:24

What, the song?

Emma 21:25

The whole wilderness years. Like choosing bad writers Uhhuh.

Sam 21:32

uhhuh.

Emma 21:33

I dunno if that's even a fair thing to say. Choosing writers that were never gonna live up to

Sam 21:40

Well, yeah. But I understand also why. This album is alright at best. Also on this album is Rock and Roll Mercenaries, which we both agree is rubbish, but we love to sing along to. Once you've worked with Steinman and you and Steinman have both made each other. You are nothing without him. And really he's nothing without you.

Emma 22:04

but he does

Sam 22:05

he does do better. Which, which absolutely must rankle. But you can either keep trying to replicate Steinman or you can be somebody else

Emma 22:16

Yeah. And I guess he never found identity without Steinman.

Sam 22:19

Yeah. I don't think it's fair to criticize him for trying to be somebody else

Emma 22:23

Oh no, I'm, I'm not critical of it. I just think, this all feels quite generic.

Sam 22:27

Oh yeah. It's generic eighties

Emma 22:29

rock. Yeah. And it, it doesn't stand out

Sam 22:31

I guess you are right in that if you were a rock and roll hero, you don't have to tell people 25 times in a song.

Emma 22:38

No. You write about the crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy nights that you're having instead.

Sam 22:43

Exactly. Such crazy nights It's sub KISS, isn't it? Yeah. Or at least sub the KISS that we know. 'cause we know three KISS songs if we're lucky. So I think this is gonna end up filed under, bless him, he tried. Yeah. It is a bit of fun, but it's forgettable, frivolous fun. I quite like it as an album ender.

Emma 23:02

does have album ender vibes.

Sam 23:03

Two ways you can end an album. Slightly mournful oh, here's a little sad thinker. Or, we're gonna rock our way out of the room.

Emma 23:12

Yeah.

Sam 23:13

The song was credited to John Wilcox. Okay. Who I had to dig around a little bit to find, because most of the time he's known to the music biz as Willie Wilcox. Ah, nicknames again. Willie Wilcox most famous as a drummer. Okay. He drummed on three of the tracks on Bat out of Hell. Because he was good pals with Todd Rundgren. He was in Todd Rundgren's band Utopia for 25 years. Not credited as performing on anything Meat Loaf after Bat one, but he just pops up as having written this song.

Emma 23:42

So he is a drummer who wrote a song.

Sam 23:44

He's written quite a few songs. He performed and wrote with Hall Oates. He's done stuff with Mick Jagger, Ringo Starr, Luther Andros, the Pointer sisters, Natalie Cole, Kylie Minogue, Stacy Q, whoever that is. But here's some fun. I think I know why, he was an ideal pick to work on Bat out of Hell. His most memorable drum set was an electronic percussion configuration built on a motorcycle frame.

Emma 24:08

Of course.

Sam 24:09

it was known as the motorcycle and consisted of blah, blah, blah. Drum stuff for drum nerds. It also had headlights and was

Emma 24:19

Jim will have loved that.

Sam 24:20

And was mounted on a spinning base, of course, which we were all controlled by offstage technicians while he was doing a drum solo.. The album was produced by Frank Farian, I believe he's popped up last time we talked about this album. He's a German producer. Yes. He was also founder member of Boney M. Yeah. And he founded Milli Vanilli.

Emma 24:42

He's been busy.

Sam 24:44

He was a busy boy. Do you remember the Milli Vanilli controversy? During a live performance, there was a backing track error, which proved that they'd lip syncing all along. Ah. And Frank confirmed that basically they ever performed any of their own lines. And as a result, they were sued a lot under various kind of consumery laws in the US. Wow. And they lost their Grammy award.

Emma 25:11

gosh. Yeah.

Sam 25:13

It's exciting.

Emma 25:13

So entirely manufactured

Sam 25:15

like Yeah. Milli and Vanili

Emma 25:17

Yeah.

Sam 25:21

we're going with it. We're merely faces to a, pop music machine operating in the background.

Emma 25:27

Wow.

Sam 25:28

Do you want a quiz?

Emma 25:29

Yes.

Sam 25:31

So Blind Before I Stop was recorded in Germany with a, selection of German session artists and European session artists assembled by Frank Farian. I think we've covered this in the past. Meat wasn't particularly happy with the whole process. He didn't enjoy working with Frank and he didn't like the way that the mix came out. And his vocals are very far back in this mix, for example. Which is a bit weird for a ostensibly crowd pleasing big singalong anthem. So that said, which of these people was credited on Blind before I Stop? A Ace Ratclaw B, Boneduster Crock C John Golden.

Emma 26:15

Oh. So two of them were involved in Cotton Eye Joe. feel like Bone in Cotton Eye Joe. I'm gonna go with C

Sam 26:25

You think John Golden.

Emma 26:26

John Golden.

Sam 26:27

So far, this is episode two. I am one nil up on you, Uhhuh. You said Boneduster Crock wasn't. You're correct about that. Uhhuh, John Golden was credited on this album.

Emma 26:39

it sounded like the most likely

Sam 26:42

Yeah, but sometimes it's not the most likely. Is it Emma?

Emma 26:44

But I thought I'd go with it

Sam 26:45

time. Yeah, I I was hoping this was one that would make you spin out and question yourself over and over but you you wisely saw through that John Golden is a, a, a vaguely normal person name, the others were silly names that the members of Rednex gave themselves. Members of The Swedish band, who of course recorded Cotton Eye, Joe in 1993. Included Ace Ratclaw Spades, Purvis, the Palagator, Zoey Duskin Jiggle McClanahan, sorry. Jiggy McLagan Moe Lester the Limp, Cash, Boneduster Crock, Rufus Jones, Mup, Misty May Pickles, Whippy, Billy Ray, BB Stiff, and Bobby Sue. That's the current lineup. Past members also include Dakota, Mary Jo, Ken Tacky, Dagger, Scarlet, Jens Sylsjö... he didn't pick a silly cowboy name, he just chose his own name. Silly

Emma 27:46

Jens. Ken What? Sorry?

Sam 27:49

Ken Tacky. Ken Tacky.

Emma 27:50

I like

Sam 27:51

Yeah. Maverick. Jay Lee, Joe Cag. Abby Hick, Rattler. And The Original Boneduster Crock.

Emma 27:59

Wow.

Sam 27:59

Shout out to people of the internet.

Emma 28:03

Did they have things to say about

Sam 28:05

this? They only have one thing to say. Okay. And it's a Meat Loaf memory This is from Accurate Crab Legs. Yeah, me too. Good on you, Accurate Crab Legs. In 1989, I performed a lip sync routine to this song for my fourth grade talent show in Yorktown, Virginia, dressed as a heavy metal singer. Leather pants, spiky hair, sunglasses, et cetera. All the students loved it, but several of the teachers complained that the song was too heavy and too rowdy. After the show, one of them actually told me that I should be ashamed of myself."

Emma 28:42

No,

Sam 28:43

This is such a, a non-entity rowdy rock song, right? This This would work

Emma 28:51

the road there's nothing offensive or

Sam 28:56

or anything in there? No. It is like your mum's written it.

Emma 28:59

It's beige. Which makes it perfect for a school

Sam 29:03

Exactly, Poor, Accurate Crab Legs.

Emma 29:06

I hope things got better, Accurate Crab Legs.

Sam 29:08

Me too. Is it time to rate this? it might be time to rate this. So Emma, once again, we are using the Meat Loaf song rating scale. Is it Michael Lee Aday? Michael Lee Okay. Or Michael Lee.

Emma 29:24

It's a Michael Lee Okay

Sam 29:26

is a Michael Lee. Okay.

Emma 29:27

It's fine.

Sam 29:29

Yeah, with a punchier mix. It could be more fun. Yeah, it's just it's there, isn't it?

Emma 29:34

Yeah. all right.

Sam 29:40

Michael Lee.

Emma 29:44

Good.

Sam 29:45

So that was our songs this episode. It was.. But what did you think? Let us know. chatoutofhell@gmail.com. Did you like our ratings? Did you agree with them? Do you, do you agree? Right? Honestly, though, honestly though, isn't it? Isn't it about ghosts? It's about ghosts, right? We have blown this thing, wide open. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. Or you could let us know what you think about songs for next time. Emma, what are they gonna be?

Emma 30:10

Well, I'm going to bring Man of Steel from, Couldn't Have Said It Better,

Sam 30:14

Man of Steel.

Emma 30:15

What are you going to bring?

Sam 30:17

I'm gonna bring My Little Red Book from the Pandora's Box album, Original Sin. And if you're wondering if that's the Little Red book as in the Burt Bacharach song. Yes, yes it is. But imagine it performed by Jim Steinman and a bunch of cool lady women. Yeah. Phwoar. Emma said phwoar. So I'm allowed to, Or you could use that email address to let us know your general Meat Loaf thoughts and opinions. Go give us five stars on your podcast listening app of choice. You could recommend us to your friends and family. Valentine's Day coming up.

Emma 30:49

It's the perfect gift. The gift of Meat Loaf Commentary. Say, I love you, not with flowers, but with endless conversations about songs you don't like

Sam 31:01

Flowers rot in a week. Chat out of Hell will be here forever. Sorry. Did you see Meat Loaf on the ITV Game Show Scavengers? The one hosted by John Leslie in which players went on to a fake derelict spaceship in order to retrieve valuable loot and get back before it exploded. Let us know. chatoutofhell@gmail.com let us your opinions on Heck's sausages. Chat chatoutofhell@gmail.com you could just post about us and Heck's sausages on social media using the hashtag. The chicken ones are really nice. They're so

Emma 31:36

I might get some this

Sam 31:37

Oh, how do you eat your Heck's

Emma 31:41

I quite like a Heck's sausage sandwich.

Sam 31:44

A Heck's sausage sandwich. That's great. I like my Heck's sausages as part of a full English breakfast. we're not sponsored. I don't know what we're doing. But we could be sponsored if you're listening. Mr.

Emma 31:56

Ian Heck,

Sam 31:57

Ian Heck, any other business? let's pull this car over before it crashes into any more barriers. Let's park up our drum machine slash motorcycle

Emma 32:11

and have a picnic in this Levi.

Sam 32:15

We'll see you all again in two more weeks' time for another Chat out of Hell. Bye

Emma 32:19

Bye

Sam 32:21

Bow now. Now, now.