7.5 - Love You Out Loud | Peace on Earth

Chat out of Hell marches gleefully onward into a pair of quite forgettable mid-era Meat Loaf tracks. We chat Meat Loaf's love of adultery in Love You Out Loud, then take a quick trip into the realm of liner-note short stories in Peace on Earth.

PLUS we pitch a sitcom about C-3P0's son, solve the mystery of David Balamezi's identity and find a country musician who looks like a tech billionaire wearing his dad's suit. It's good stuff!

Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy. Music extracts on this episode:

Love You Out Loud by Meat Loaf from the album Couldn't Have Said it Better (2003)
Peace on Earth by Meat Loaf from the album Hang Cool Teddy Bear (2010)
Peace on Earth by Rick Brantley from the album Prize Fight Lover, Soul Auctioneer (2008)

Transcript

Sam 0:00

What is this?

Emma 0:01

This is Chat Out of Hell. The fortnightly podcast about the works of Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman that sometimes does a joke in this bit and sometimes doesn't.

Sam 0:11

Who is Meat Loaf?

Emma 0:12

Meat Loaf was a singer and actor from Dallas, Texas and there's nothing funny about that. Who's Jim Steinman?

Sam 0:19

Jim Steinman was a composer and musician from Long Island, New York, which is no joking matter.

Emma 0:25

who are we?

Sam 0:26

We are Sam Wilkinson and Emma Crossland. And we are standup comedians. Although you wouldn't know it from this intro.

Emma 0:33

Welcome. to Chat. Out of Hell. Should we do that again? I thought 'cause you'd done...

Sam 0:39

I know. I know. I'm so excited.

Emma 0:42

Welcome to Chat Out of Hell.

Sam 0:46

Now, now, ding. I didn't know if you wanted to reverse that bit as well.

Emma 0:51

no, no,

Sam 0:51

no. Oh, no. I don't wanna sing four notes in a row.

Emma 0:54

No, no, no., I'm very much the ding here.

Sam 0:57

Okay.

Emma 0:59

Hey, Sam,

Sam 1:00

I could say something cruel now, but I'm not. Hello, Emma. You alright?

Emma 1:04

I was

Sam 1:05

I didn't say the cruel thing

Emma 1:06

What cruel thing would

Sam 1:07

I could have said, oh, she's a right ding. Yeah, you absolute ding

Emma 1:12

You four-note wonder.

Sam 1:15

Lovely. This is Chat Out Of Hell, which is a Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman podcast.

Emma 1:22

It is.

Sam 1:22

analysis machine.

Emma 1:23

Ooh. an analysis

Sam 1:26

Yeah, it's a machine. What happens is we both plug in a song by Meat Loaf or Jim Steinman every episode into the machine and it goes beep boop beep boop boop. While it's doing that, we chat some shite, and then at the end it spits out a rating on our patented Meat Loaf and or Jim Steinman song rating scales.

Emma 1:45

A clever machine.

Sam 1:46

What a great machine it is that we have, that we invented.

Emma 1:51

It's fortunate that we've got the machine, 'cause that's exactly what we need it for. In any other situation, it would be a useless machine.

Sam 1:58

I thought we started the podcast because we had the machine. I really wanted a machine that determined whether you were shagged married or annoyed but...

Emma 2:08

somebody else

Sam 2:09

one. Somebody else got that one.

Emma 2:11

Bastards. Wanted the machine that helped you analyse the erotica that your father had written.

Sam 2:18

Yeah, that's

Emma 2:19

that would've been another very successful machine. But thi this is the machine was stuck

Sam 2:23

I'll be quite honest. I wanted quite an intellectual laboratory of the radio sort of machine.

Emma 2:29

Well, I'm sorry.

Sam 2:31

It's what we

Emma 2:32

It's what we got. So here we

Sam 2:34

here. We're edit that down. That sounds like an intro. So Emma, what song have you brought for our listeners?

Emma 2:43

I have brought Love You Out Loud, from 2003's Couldn't Have Said It Better. What have you brought, Sam?

Sam 2:49

I have brought Peace on Earth from 2010's Hang Cool, Teddy Bear.

Emma 2:54

Awesome stuff. Should we start with mine?

Sam 2:56

should start with yours. Where can our listeners find that?

Emma 2:59

they can find it on YouTube. They can find it on Spotify. They can find it on a dusty CD down the back of the sofa. They can find it in their soul.

Sam 3:12

Lovely. Okay, well we're gonna go and listen to that now and you are all gonna go away and listen to it at home and then come back to us, I imagine.

Emma 3:31

So that was, love You Out Loud. what a jaunty song about adultery. Isn't it? a really jaunty song about wanting to fuck

Sam 3:45

about ruining your own

Emma 3:51

that was from 2003's Couldn't Have Said It Better, an album which largely went ignored, I think. Which is a shame 'cause there are actually a couple of really fun tracks on there. The title track's excellent.

Sam 4:03

yes.

Emma 4:03

This one is, it's fun as long as you don't think about the subject matter.

Sam 4:11

Oh, come off it. If you're not thinking about the subject matter, then why are we here?

Emma 4:16

it's quite good fun. I don't mind it.

Sam 4:19

Okay.

Emma 4:19

I think initially it sort of misleads you into thinking it's sort of a, a sweet kind of forbidden love cause it doesn't kick in with the full adultery until the second verse.

Sam 4:30

Sure. Okay. You seem very hung up on this fictional adultery, Emma.

Emma 4:35

I dunno why.

Sam 4:37

we've listened to songs about all sorts of stuff, but this is where you

Emma 4:41

No, I'm not even drawing the line. I think it's, I think it's quite funny.

Sam 4:44

Fair enough. It is funny.

Emma 4:46

It was written by James Michael and Nikki Sixx

Sam 4:50

we go again.

Emma 4:51

a fair few on this album. As we know, Nikki Sixx was the bassist in Mötley Crüe, but also formed his own side project called Sixx AM with James Michael, and DJ Ashba. The story behind the name was that it was all three of their surnames, so Sixx, obviously Nikki Sixx and then A for Ashba and M for Michael. And that's how they formed. That is one of the most interesting things that I've managed to find. The photo of Sixx AM on their Apple music page is one of the most two thousands metal things that I've seen in a really long time. they all look slightly too old to be styling themselves like that. And it's all a bit embarrassing metal dad vibes.

Sam 5:38

Embarrassing metal dad is what C3PO's son calls him

Emma 5:44

Oh God, i'd be so here for Embarrassing Metal Dad.

Sam 5:47

Oh no, I forgot to pick him up from school again.

Emma 5:51

Oh. But it would be heartwarming in the end. Yes. And we'd all learn valuable lessons. James Michael would continue also writing for Meat Loaf beyond this album. Yeah. and as everybody may remember, he was responsible for one of my least favourite songs that we've covered. Los Angeles Loser. And perhaps that's what colours my opinion of everything that he does.

Sam 6:14

I quite enjoy this song. It's a college rock, kind of a bop. I hear the Barenaked Ladies singing it without any adjustments whatsoever.

Emma 6:23

That would be a fun cover, wouldn't it?

Sam 6:24

Yeah. It's a little bit overproduced for, I

Emma 6:28

love the bit, so there's two massively overproduced bits that I love. There's a bit, just a couple of lines in where his voice comes up in the mix.

Sam 6:37

yeah. On behalf of people with only one ear, stop putting things only in the left channel please.

Emma 6:42

The other thing that I love, I is the second verse where it's definitely made to sound like it's been sung through a megaphone.

Sam 6:49

Oh, I love that. I thought that was the radio. because I think the lyric is like, oh, I'm up really early in the morning and I'm thinking Meat Loaf is the radio DJ.

Emma 6:58

It sounds a bit mega phoney as well

Sam 6:59

Yeah. Well, it's one button on the desk that does both things.

Emma 7:02

Yeah. Yes. This whole album plays around with production like that. Yeah. There's some really daft bits in it and I'm kind of here for it. 'cause at least it's something a bit different.

Sam 7:13

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Emma 7:15

This album came out in 2003, which was a bit of a difficult time for Meat Loaf health wise, Uhhuh, during the tour supporting the album, he collapsed on stage, with what was later discovered to be a heart condition called Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome. and when that was discovered, apparently his doctor said to him, "this is a condition that is often associated with elite athletes. So you should be flattered to have it."

Sam 7:44

Love that little bit. That's why you should be very flattered to have athletes' foot.

Emma 7:51

it was corrected with surgery and Loaf said it wasn't gonna stop him. but he did know that he had to dial it back. and his insurers made it conditional that no show beyond that lasted longer than an hour and 45 minutes.

Sam 8:03

Please, could more rock stars get heart conditions?

Emma 8:07

I'll be honest with you, an hour is enough for me. I'm quite happy. I'm ready. For a sit down and a cold

Sam 8:14

after

Emma 8:16

So rock and roll.

Sam 8:17

Just, I like to get home before the shipping forecast.

Emma 8:22

I like to get home and cool off and have a chat about how much I've enjoyed the night.

Sam 8:26

Oh, that was lovely. Wasn't, wasn't that lovely? Yes, it was

Emma 8:28

Would you like a cup of tea? Oh, I'd

Sam 8:30

I've chamomile. Do you want Oh,

Emma 8:32

Oh, lovely. That, that'll sort me out just

Sam 8:34

I've got the Yorkshire Tea bedtime blend.

Emma 8:36

Have you got the biscuit one? That's

Sam 8:39

much caffeine.

Emma 8:42

A little insight into middle age. Who are we kidding, we were doing that long before then.

Sam 8:50

It is really good though, is the Yorkshire Tea bedtime... so nice.... Anyway what. We talk about the adultery?

Emma 8:56

Yeah,

Sam 8:57

Yeah. I'd love to. Absolutely. I know you, you slammed it for being such a lovely, jolly song about

Emma 9:03

adultery. only because it's quite

Sam 9:05

it's quite funny. But also it's sort of who's,

Emma 9:09

It's obviously from the point of view of being excited about this

Sam 9:12

Yeah, exactly. So many songs about adultery are like, oh I'm such a, I'm a baddie.

Emma 9:17

but this one is, I'm having a great time.

Sam 9:20

I love adultery.

Emma 9:22

absolutely would recommend.

Sam 9:24

I quite like the completely remorseless,

Emma 9:27

It is completely remorseless, isn't it? And that's quite brazen.

Sam 9:31

Well, you know, there are so many songs in which Meat Loaf doesn't seem to realise that women are people and one, Is his fictitious wife here, definitely isn't one. Look, as long as I don't smell like you we're fine. I'm pretty sure was one of the lyrics.

Emma 9:47

Yeah, it's pretty much it. The line "wish I could love you out loud, but I'll just keep it to myself." When you first hear it, you think, oh, that's quite evocative.

Sam 9:54

quite like that line though. Yeah. But of course, it's completely logical that the only reason I can't love you out loud is 'cause I'm an absolute scumbag. Now. Oh, though a lesser songwriter would've gone down the route of you are with somebody and he's a baddie. We didn't have that. That's quite common. Yeah. But this was I am the villain here.

Emma 10:15

I'm the bad guy, but I'm cool with it. I don't feel bad. I'm just horny.

Sam 10:22

Maybe remorse later. We'll see.

Emma 10:24

Oh yeah. this is in the early days

Sam 10:26

Sure.

Emma 10:27

the affair, when it's exciting. and nothing's blown up yet

Sam 10:32

Before he has two families on opposite sides of town.

Emma 10:37

You're spending a lot of time at work, darling

Sam 10:40

and your job is riding motorcycles.

Emma 10:45

Yeah. I've got a lot of late night motorcycling to do. Oh, do you wanna know what the people of the internet had to say?

Sam 10:50

Yeah. All right.

Emma 10:51

nothing of note. worth saying.

Sam 10:54

Okay.

Emma 10:55

Just the, the sort of usual, oh, we all miss Meat Loaf kind of stuff. But that sounded awful, didn't it?

Sam 11:01

We all miss Meat Loaf

Emma 11:02

that made me sound like a callous, cruel woman I've not really got anything much to say. Okay. There's not really anything out and you know my opinion now.

Sam 11:12

Good stuff. I'm just doing a very quick check on something. I'll be with you in two seconds. Just wanted to check when his first marriage broke down. That was all,

Emma 11:24

uh, 2001. Yes, it was. Yeah. I already checked that to see if this was related. Don't think it's, no, I did it have a look last night for that though.

Sam 11:32

What awful humans we are. yes.

Emma 11:34

yes. We're,

Sam 11:36

there's no way you could have imagined a story about cheating on your wife

Emma 11:40

but also as we know, Meat Loaf didn't really write his songs. He just sang them. he was in character. I don't know what James Michael and Nikki Sixx's relationships were like at the time. but

Sam 11:51

Adulterous AF I imagine.

Emma 11:54

But in a fun way, not in a heartbreaky way.

Sam 12:01

That's a deep cut.

Emma 12:05

isn't it?

Sam 12:06

Yeah, might leave that in one for the real fans.

Emma 12:09

yeah. You should,

Sam 12:13

Shall we rate this then, Emma? Oh

Emma 12:14

yeah. Let's rate this one.

Sam 12:15

Okay. So, we are using our Meat Loaf song rating scale this episode, which runs from Michael Lee Aday up at the top, down to Michael Lee Okay for his middling songs all the way down to Michael Lee No Way for the songs where he loves doing adultery or maybe not. Let's find out.

Emma 12:36

This is gonna be a really difficult one to, rate. Okay. Because it's a bop

Sam 12:41

stick that on the car playlist. I'm singing along.

Emma 12:43

yeah, exactly. it's

Sam 12:45

soundtrack to a teen movie of the early two thousands. it's like a knockoff American pie.

Emma 12:51

Maybe if it was sung by somebody younger and cooler, it might have

Sam 12:54

Oh no, but I'm picturing like this isn't American Pie. It's not even American Pie Three. It's those straight to DVDs, spinoffs. starring Jim's dad and that one kid that I can't remember, doesn't matter. Carry on.

Emma 13:07

they couldn't get the young cool

Sam 13:09

exactly

Emma 13:09

musicians. So they've got Meat Loaf so yeah, on the one hand it's a total bop. on the other hand, it feels like women aren't people again, or at least his wife isn't a people in this context. So it's tricky. It's tricky. it's, I it's not overtly, horribly

Sam 13:31

don't think

Emma 13:32

anything, so.

Sam 13:33

hey, maybe they're both unhappy in this marriage. We don't know. maybe Meat Loaf's biggest crime is just not being a grownup about it.

Emma 13:42

Maybe she's also tasting somebody else on her tongue. line from

Sam 13:49

Yeah. Yeah, Um, I.

Emma 13:52

don't

Sam 13:53

What if this was like the Pina Colada song and he's cheating on his wife, with his wife.

Emma 14:01

Oh, my God.

Sam 14:02

Yeah. It's all just like a little bit of role play. They go out, role play and pretend to be having an affair, and then go home and pretend not to know about the affair that they're both pretending to have.

Emma 14:13

humans are weird, aren't they?

Sam 14:15

Well, the ones I just made up were, yes.

Emma 14:18

where are we rating this?

Sam 14:19

Right. Good fun to sing along to absolute bop. This is a song about a horrible guy having a great time being horrible. Yeah.

Emma 14:26

I do enjoy a good villain.

Sam 14:27

a song about clearly an unpleasant, horrible man, just having a great time, being an unpleasant, horrible man is quite a fun, refreshing change. So it's good fun. Yeah. It's at least, Okay. Yeah, it might. It might be Aday. What do you think? It could be a day.

Emma 14:41

I don't know if it's quite an Aday.

Sam 14:43

Let's call this Michael Lee Okay.

Emma 14:44

Okay. Okay. So Sam, what did you bring?

Sam 14:51

I Peace on Earth, which is the opening track from 2010s Hang Cool Teddy Bear, and not a concept that we could all do with right now. Sorry. Disappointing. Yeah. Once again, no video for this, so stick it on and get on with something else. Do the washing up. Peace on Earth. Heaven be praised. How is that Emma?

Emma 15:32

It's a bit of an epic, isn't it?

Sam 15:34

I Epic often implies good.

Emma 15:37

Okay. Do I mean, it's quite long.

Sam 15:41

It's quite, there's a lot of it.

Emma 15:44

I don't hate it though,

Sam 15:46

Okay.

Emma 15:47

I mean it's not like an amazing Jim song. But it feels like it's trying quite hard to be one.

Sam 15:55

You Well, yeah. I was gonna,

Emma 15:56

there's a couple of endings. Whoever has written and arranged it, has thrown an entire orchestra at it There is a very daft opening bit with strings and drums and banging and stuff, that then just sort of turns into a big silly rock song.

Sam 16:12

There's a lot of individual components that are quite nice,

Emma 16:15

Yeah. They don't all go together particularly

Sam 16:17

No, I agree. I've filed this under an attempt to replicate the Jim sound. To frame this, this is track one of the album, which to catch people up who either haven't heard or don't care. This is a concept album inspired by a short story about a soldier dying in Afghanistan and seeing what the future could be like. So this is our sort of overture, this is our establishing piece that he's just some guy who wants to go home as he tells us several times. Yes. So in a Jim style overture, it wants to be big and sweeping and introduce you to the themes on the album, But it doesn't quite do that.

Emma 16:56

No. I had sort of forgotten that it was a concept so thank you for the reminder.

Sam 17:00

This song is inspired by a short story called Hang Cool Teddy Bear, which is printed on the liner notes of some issues of this album. Have you read the story? I have not. Okay. Well, it's available. You can find it in places. I gave it a read. Okay. It's by Killian Kerwin, who is a screenwriter.

Emma 17:18

I think I remember we, we've talked about

Sam 17:20

Killian So Meat Loaf's vision of this album is that it's this soldier who's wounded on the battlefield, and he has flash forwards to different ways that his life could go. And the short story is sort of that, but is he's flashing forward always to the same girl in different contexts. But there's all the interesting bits of the story, wouldn't you know, are missing from Meat Loaf's album?

Emma 17:45

What a surprise,

Sam 17:46

there's one point where he has these different visions and one of them is this July 4th celebration on like a boardwalk, except that there's no band. And he finds that really weird 'cause there should be a band playing and he orders a snow cone from a guy and the guy just starts pouring syrup into it and never stops. And the syrup's pouring up and over this. Yeah. It's proper creepy whoa. Hello. None of that in this album. I'm

Emma 18:08

have to give it a read.

Sam 18:09

I wouldn't say it's good, but it is. It's all right. It's fine. But yeah, so this is your opening song on the album to say hello, I'm a soldier who's just out here doing my job and I just wanna go home.

Emma 18:20

Yeah.

Sam 18:21

Meat Loaf recorded a few songs and started mucking about on the album and then realised he wanted to start again and do stuff inspired by the short story. And he got a load of his pals from all over the place to contribute songs. But he said, "I didn't tell them what the story was and I'm kind of glad I didn't. 'Cause it comes too when you do that." It does also become comprehensible.

Emma 18:43

Yes.

Sam 18:43

the problem,

Emma 18:44

Ah, good old comprehensible,

Sam 18:47

Heaven forbid that somebody be able to interpret what I'm doing. This song was written by T Driggers, who is, who is, credited on three or four songs on the album, plus a couple of B sides. Emma, who is T Driggers? TI didn't know either, but it's time for a quiz. Ooh ba. This is This is T Driggers's life. Which of these people is T Driggers? Is it A? Rick Brantley. Hailing from the musical grounds of Macon, Georgia, Rick Brantley was raised on a steady diet of southern gospel, gritty blues and classic rock and roll. Rick has firmly carved out his place in the music scene, earning a reputation as a magnetic performer with a storyteller's soul. Is it B? David Balamezi. Musical ambassador, connecting cultures and generations spreading optimism and good humour. That's what he gives his fans with his natural and cheerful manner, fun, joie de vivre and passion. Or is it C, David Campbell. Recognised for pioneering work that deepened the emotional residence of modern songwriting and bridged the divide between classical and commercial artistry. Which of those wanky music bios belongs to the real T Driggers?

Emma 20:06

It's definitely not B.

Sam 20:09

What are you talking about?

Emma 20:10

I have a feeling that it's definitely not B, Yeah, but I'm gonna go with that. I have a feeling that it's definitely not B. gonna go with. it's just I will go with a,

Sam 20:29

Rick Brantley hailing from the storied musical grounds of Macon, Georgia. Yeah, that's T Driggers. Well done. it?

Emma 20:36

was B Lou Bega,

Sam 20:38

David Balamezi? Yeah. Well it's interesting 'cause he has a middle name that came from his Ugandan side. His middle name is Lubega.

Emma 20:46

Is it? Yeah. I could just tell Sam,

Sam 20:49

You could just tell the very same Lou Bega who, et cetera, et

Emma 20:53

cetera,

Sam 20:54

five,

Emma 20:54

You can't even be bothered now, can you?

Sam 20:58

Rod for my own back So C was David Campbell. He was also involved in this song. He did the arrangement on this track. He is a very busy man, his first big work was on Carol King's album Tapestry, which is early seventies. Off the top of my head. He has worked on over 450 golden platinum albums by artists of a wide range of genres, including genres, including the Rolling Stones, Neil Diamond, Metallica, Radiohead, Evanescence, rush, Beyonce Muse, Michael Jackson, Alia, Ariana Grande, Harry Styles, Aerosmith, Juanes, Garth Brooks, green Day, and various albums by his son Beck.

Emma 21:40

Really?

Sam 21:41

He's Beck's dad.

Emma 21:42

Oh my God.

Sam 21:43

Oh my God. Yeah. There you go. Cool. He did the arrangements on this. Rick Brantley wrote this song and he had released it previously on his 2008 EP Prize Fight Lover, Soul Auctioneer. Yeah. I don't know either. It does also go on a bit.

Emma 22:06

Yeah. That was really long. Was that longer or shorter than? Really? I didn't feel it.

Sam 22:13

Did you enjoy it less? Yeah. Oh, okay. I, I preferred it with the rawer country sound and feel to it.

Emma 22:19

I think to start with, I thought it was quite good, but it felt really

Sam 22:23

It was very long. But it does have something that the Meat Loaf version is missing. Which is the line. I just want my friends to go home. Meat Loaf is all about

Emma 22:34

about, himself.

Sam 22:35

just wants to go home. to go home. I'm gonna show you a picture of Rick Brantley because he looks like a big tech executive wearing his dad's oversized suit. That's not a country singer.

Emma 22:46

No, it's not.

Sam 22:48

That at best a closeup magician. Anything to say generally on the song? Emma Crossland.

Emma 22:57

not really. I think I've said all I have to say,

Sam 23:01

there's not a lot to say about such a long song.

Emma 23:04

which is damning in itself, isn't

Sam 23:06

Yeah. There was a point about three minutes in when you think Yeah. I get the gist here. Yeah. idea

Emma 23:11

now. Yeah.

Sam 23:12

Thanks.

Emma 23:13

For the Meat Loaf version, his voice is just about holding on.

Sam 23:16

Yeah.

Emma 23:17

put down in my notes, wouldn't it sing along to it in the car? Mostly because it's a set of really weird rhythms.

Sam 23:24

It is that in a way of some Broadway musicals, I guess. But also we just talked about having a fun adultery song. This is a not fun war is horrible song. Yeah. Meat Loaf found perfect for introducing his concept album about what if there was a sexy lady in the future dressed as a cop

Emma 23:44

It's deep stuff

Sam 23:45

it's deep stuff. Yeah. you wanna know what the people on the internet had to say? Yeah. Go on. At TorakFett 3, 3 5, 1 Torak Fett "the only album he said he wouldn't change anything from" to which Gary 5 6 4 2 replied. "Question mark. Question mark. How so? He believed this was his perfect album and wouldn't change a thing about it?" Shall

Emma 24:12

we should

Sam 24:13

we rate this song, Emma? Where we are once again, going to use our Meat Loaf song rating scale, running Michael Lee Aday all the way through Michael Lee Okay, down to Michael Lee No Way. But what's this? Is it okay?

Emma 24:38

Do you think it's a No Way?

Sam 24:41

It's a bit crap, isn't it?

Emma 24:45

is

Sam 24:45

I hate to say that about a song where he's trying to engage with one of the important social issues that was defining America at the time. But

Emma 24:53

was he though?

Sam 24:54

Normally I am in Meat Loaf's corner when he tries to do interesting or stuff, but it's just sort of quite hamfisted and is used as an excuse to then lever in his songs about women with big boobs and why my dick's massive.

Emma 25:11

It's in no way, isn't it, it's

Sam 25:13

think it is in that

Emma 25:13

though

Sam 25:14

it's quite an

Emma 25:15

song about

Sam 25:16

use,

Emma 25:17

is a banger.

Sam 25:18

Yeah. There are some bangers on this album. Not lots, but there are some,

Emma 25:22

one. So

Sam 25:23

the premise of singing about the experience of somebody in Afghanistan, I'm gonna take that song and then use that as my way into the big dick song.

Emma 25:35

Yep. Yep. So no way,

Sam 25:36

It's Michael Lee No Way.

Emma 25:38

You wouldn't be round on that one.

Sam 25:40

No way. So that was our songs this episode. What did you think of them? You can let us know. Chat out of hell@gmail.com or you can email us about, just about whatever's on your mind, as long as it's vaguely Meat Loafy, we'll listen to it. as these people have, let me go over to the email mailbag. Chris Matts emailed. Mm-hmm. He said "new episode was great," and that was about a month and a half ago. So thanks Chris, for whatever that was. Thoroughly enjoying the new episodes and the deep dive into some seriously mad times for Meat and Jim. Just a quick note on the latest episodes when you guys shared the It Hurts Only When I Feel Clip. I'd never heard that before, but I'm fairly sure that segment appears on the bat out of Hell musical in the opening. I've attached a Spotify link and it's about the 4 minutes 50 mark. I know Jim loves to recycle, but the Bat Musical really is a graveyard of any old shite he's accumulated over years. Keep up the good work and thanks for brightening up my Monday morning admin." Oh, thank you, Chris. You're welcome. I haven't yet listened to that bit on the Bat musical, but I'm gonna go back to And then Tom Woffenden. "Hi Emma and Sam. I was recently reading the autobiography titled The Sanest Guy in the Room by lyricist Don Black, writer with legendary composer John Barry of various James Bond songs, eg, Diamonds Are Forever, Thunderball and more plus Andrew Lloyd Webber Musical Sunset Boulevard. He also wrote the Oscar winning song, Born Free." He's a big player, is what we're saying, Emma.

Emma 27:10

Yes.

Sam 27:11

there are lots of one to two page chapters in his book, and a whole half of a page is about Jim Steinman. I've attached the extract here for your perusal. Let's have a While John Barry ate very little, another collaborator of mine ate everything. Jim Steinman is the genius producer and of Bat Out of Hell. He was over here writing a musical version of Whistle Down the Wind with Andrew. He stayed at the Dorchester and had this expensive habit of ordering many dishes for his main meal. Waiters would bring up trolleys with pasta, chicken leaf, leaf, lamb, beef, and fish. I wrote a couple of songs with him and he was delight to work with. One song of ours was, Is Nothing Sacred, which was recorded by Celine Dion and Meat Loaf." I don't think we've got to that yet. No. Jim's a fabulous character and a total original. And this quote by the legendary beat poet, Jack Kerouac sort of sums him up: "'the people that interest me are the gloriously mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to sing. The ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing. The ones who burn, like famous Roman candles exploding spiders across the stars. that Jim?

Emma 28:14

Guess it depends on when you hung out with him.

Sam 28:18

Savage. Back to Tom's email. I recall Mick Wall kicking off his book with him, discovering Jim Steinman's eating habits in some LA restaurant where the waiter said, 'what would you like?' And Jim replied, 'one of everything', I'm glad Steinman existed, and I'm glad your podcast exists too. The beat is yours forever, Tom." Thank you Tom. I love and an hate Jim Steinman in lots of ways. Yes. But I have nothing but respect for his approach to restaurants. If you

Emma 28:44

to do that

Sam 28:45

some, if I had the money, of course I would. Wouldn't you? I'll everything, I'll have one of everything and probably just nibble it a few little bits. Yeah. Which is incredibly wasteful, but I'd be doing it in LA where everybody's wasteful anyway, so it's fine. Chris Matts got back in touch with us to send us a video of Meat Loaf playing Buckaroo with, um,

Emma 29:06

Rick Astley.

Sam 29:07

Rick Hasley? Yes. That's amazing. That is incredible. I'll stick that in the show notes.

Emma 29:13

I've never played Buckaroo.

Sam 29:14

You've never played Buckaroo? No, Have you never played Buckaroo? Let us know, chat out of hell@gmail.com. We didn't have buckaroo when we were kids. No, No.

Emma 29:25

that we

Sam 29:25

What about Pop Up Pirate?

Emma 29:27

Well, played popup. Well, I had popup pirate.

Sam 29:28

Oh, okay. Oh. You're doing all right then.

Emma 29:31

yeah. I didn't live some sort of terrible childhood. no.

Sam 29:36

no well, there you go. If you would like your opinions to join that hallowed crew, you could email us at chatoutofhell@gmail.com. You could even use that email to tell us your opinions on our songs for next time. And next time. It's the last episode of the series, Emma. Oh, oh I know. Oh slash phew. Um, But as is now traditional at the end of the series, we are gonna pick some recommended songs that have come in from our recommending listeners. We're gonna pick some songs that our listeners have recommended for us to cover. So what are you gonna take?

Emma 30:14

I'm gonna take Tonight is Right for Love from South Park, which is by Meat Loaf and Chef, as suggested by Max. What are you bringing, Sam?

Sam 30:23

I am gonna bring a suggestion from Ashton, which is What Part of My Body Hurts the Most, a question everybody over 40 asks themselves every morning.

Emma 30:33

my lower back,

Sam 30:34

well it was nice. It was my wrist today. Lovely. But that was originally in the Bat out of Hell musical before it got cut at some point. So I'm gonna learn more about the stage, so you could let us know what you think about those songs. Chat out of hell@gmail.com. While you're doing that, suggest us some other songs for next time. You could give us five stars your podcast listening app of choice, maybe recommended to anyone you see while you're out picking blackberries and stocking up the freezer with lovely summer

Emma 31:03

Is that what you are up to

Sam 31:05

Yes, it is. You could keep your on Meat Loaf thoughts and anecdotes flying in. Perhaps you saw Meat Loaf playing Buckaroo. let us know, chatoutofhell@gmail.com. Is there a third thing in this list? I don't. Is there? No, I think that's it. Good. Any other business? Emma?

Emma 31:20

No other business

Sam 31:22

We'll see you all in two more weeks time for another Chat ouf of Hell. Bye Bow Now. Now, Now.