The Fantasy Football Archivers
The Fantasy Football Archivers will be taking a deep dive looking at the past Fantasy Football season to compare the ADP VS top 10 finishes for Quarterbacks, Running backs, Wide receivers, Tight Ends. Where Zach Waldron and Jon Miller aka J-MiL will be helping you compare the previous season to make you better at drafting for the years to come. Each season will consist of 4 episodes and the episodes will be released every 2 weeks.
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The Crazy 2024 Fantasy Football Quarterback Surprises: ADP Insights and Top 10 Outcomes
The unpredictable nature of fantasy football quarterback performance was on full display throughout the 2024 season. What began with sky-high expectations for young stars like CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson quickly evolved into a showcase for veterans and rookies alike who weren't commanding premium draft capital.
Lamar Jackson reclaimed his fantasy throne with another MVP-caliber campaign, combining elite passing efficiency (41 TDs, 4 INTs) with his trademark rushing production. Josh Allen proved yet again why he's fantasy royalty, transforming a mediocre supporting cast into a top-tier fantasy season through sheer will and touchdown production. Meanwhile, Joe Burrow's triumphant return to form placed him firmly in the QB3 spot, validating those who gambled on his comeback.
Perhaps most fascinating were the quarterbacks who outperformed their draft positions by astronomical margins. Baker Mayfield silenced critics with 41 touchdown passes and a QB4 finish despite being an afterthought in most drafts. Rookies made their mark too, with Jayden Daniels (QB5) and Bo Nix (QB7) proving immediate fantasy contributors. The ever-disrespected Jared Goff continued his pattern of fantasy relevance with Detroit's potent offense, finishing as QB6 despite being drafted outside the top 10.
The lesson? Quarterback rushing production remains the golden ticket to fantasy success, but the position increasingly rewards smart drafters who target value over name recognition. Looking ahead to 2025, fantasy managers would be wise to remember that consistent producers in good systems (like Goff) paired with high-upside options can create the perfect quarterback strategy, while avoiding the trap of overpaying for previous year's breakouts who haven't demonstrated sustained excellence.
How will you adjust your quarterback draft strategy for 2025 based on these revelations? The fantasy managers who accurately answer this question might just be hoisting trophies next December.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Football Archivers podcast with your host, zach Waldron, and John Miller, aka J Mill.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to season three, episode 1 of the Fantasy Football Archivers. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host, john Miller, aka J Mill. Hey, hey, and on today's season and episode, we are going to be taking a look into the 2024 season for quarterback ADP versus top 10 finishes.
Speaker 3:Oh, so we're no longer going like back in time. We're now going back to the present day. We're finally hitting the present day.
Speaker 2:We're finally hitting present season. That just happened.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we're living in the moment, no longer time travelers Got it no more having to think in time.
Speaker 2:We're knowing what was going on.
Speaker 3:This episode should be a little easier with some better guesses than I'm guessing.
Speaker 2:Yes. So to jump everything off, we're going to jump right into how the quarterbacks finished for the 2024 season. For the quarterback ADP For a single quarterback, starting everything off, was Josh Allen at 22.2,. Patrick Mahomes was at 30.7,. Lamar Jackson was at 34.4,. Jalen Hurts was at 34.7. Cj Stroud was at 41.4. Anthony Richardson was at 56. Joe Burrow was at 61.2. Dak Prescott was at 71.2. Kyler Murray was at 78.1. And Jordan Love was at 80.4. To now jump over to Superflex, josh Allen was at 1.5. Patrick Mahomes at 3.3., lamar Jackson at 7.8. Jalen Hurts at 4.4., cj Stroud at 8. Anthony Richardson at 14.6. Joe Burrow at 15.6. Dak Prescott at 19.1. Kyler Murray at 21.4. Jordan Love at 25.4. J-mill, I'm looking at the adp for single quarterback and super flex. Do you see a difference on how they were drafted?
Speaker 3:there was just a quick switch around of jalen hertz and lamar jackson. Right, yes, there was that. Okay, and then, besides that, I could definitely see some very wrong adps.
Speaker 3:But like yes, there's a big 2024 season, but yeah, with the lamar jackson, jalen hurt switch between single quarterback and super flex, that did catch my eye a little bit yeah, I don't get it like there's no format in which I'm taking lamar jackson before jalen hurts, or vice versa, where I'm not taking them before the other and in the same, in a different format. So I can't explain that and what. It was actually a pretty significant swing in one of the spots, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so single quarterback. Lamar Jackson was 34.4. Jalen Hurts was 34.7. That's literally only a couple picks from each other. Yeah, but then super flex.
Speaker 3:Jalen Hurts was 4.4, lamar jackson was 7.8 yeah, that makes no sense whatsoever in my mind, like I'm not um, yeah, I, I can't I'm not comprehending that.
Speaker 2:That's a big a decent jump between each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah, who was being taken in between those three picks? Like I'm trying to think how that was I? I, I don't know, I don't know why people are weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're either on jalen hurts and oftmar jackson or vice versa we'll definitely come back and look at this um when we hit the other episodes for running back wide receiver and tight end, to see exactly who was going in between them. But let's just talk about now. We're going to jump to the top 10 finishes for the 2024 season for quarterbacks. Okay, all right, we got some guesses in here.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, he didn't win MVP, but he definitely had the better fantasy season. So that's Lamar Jackson at one. I almost definitely remember that, honestly, and I'm not trying to spark a debate about this MVP either, so because obviously you might be listening to this in the year 2027 or 2029. But yeah, so when I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking I don't know who was number two. Was Josh Allen or Joe Burrow? I'm guessing it's Josh Allen, and that would put Joe Burrow at number three. Burrow, I'm guessing it's Josh Allen, and that would put Joe Burrow at number three. I'm almost confident that Jaden Daniels is number four at this current point in time. So I'm going to go there, let's see After that. I feel like there's probably a step back, and in that step back, I'm going to guess that we have Jared Goff in there. I'm going to guess we have Baker Mayfield in there. I'm going to guess that we have hmm, I don't think Jalen Hurts made it in. I know CJ Stroud didn't make it in. Anthony Richardson it's. Oh man, see, I had a. I had a lot of shares of Jared Goff, jaden Daniels, anthony Richardson and Matthew Stafford this year, and so I know which two didn't make it and which two did make it.
Speaker 3:This is actually harder than I thought. Sam Darnold Sam Darnold yeah, why not? Two of them missed some games. Mahomes is not in there. I'm just trying to go through everything. Justin Herbert Justin Herbert passed more this year. So what am I up to? So I have my big four at the top, and then I have Mayfield Goff Darnold Herbert. On that seven, I need three more. Let's glance at this.
Speaker 2:I don't think so far you guessed Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels, In that order, Jared Goff and then Baker.
Speaker 3:Mayfield, I'm putting Sam Darnold and Justin Herbert on the list too.
Speaker 2:Sam Darnold and Justin Herbert. So you're missing two spots. Did Bo Nix sneak in? Okay, so you're going to throw Bo Nix, so you're missing one more.
Speaker 3:I don't remember Hurts having a good season. I know Stroud's not here. I feel pretty confident that Murray's not here. Uh, I don't think. No dac missed time to a missed time. Definitely not purdy. I guess I'm gonna say hertz squeezed into that final spot. Okay, because I really can't think of, because I don't want to say someone like aaron rogers and be wrong saying aaron rogers, I'd rather be wrong saying Jalen Hurts. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, that completely makes sense. So the top 10 finishes for the 2024 season for quarterbacks is like. You got correct for the top for one through three Lamar Jackson at one. Josh Allen at two, joe Burrow at three. Wait, who beat Jaden Daniels for four.
Speaker 3:Baker Mayfield finished at four oh man, like I'm saying this as a jets fan and I I get it. We're a poverty franchise too, but the browns are such a poverty franchise.
Speaker 2:Baker mayfield's now a top five quarterback with another organization and if you look at it, if you look back at the 2023 season that we did, he finished in the top 10 too. Yeah, but I wasn't expecting top five.
Speaker 3:Like jayden daniels had a season. Like I didn't think that baker mayfield was on that level this year.
Speaker 2:So then, at number five was jayden daniels.
Speaker 3:Okay I would have been shocked if it was anyone else at this point number six was Jared golf, not surprised.
Speaker 2:Number seven was Bo Nix. Really that high.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm glad I guessed him in Number eight was Jalen hurts. Oh, really Okay, so a season wasn't as bad as I thought it was.
Speaker 2:No, number nine was Sam Darnold Okay. And then number 10 was Kyler Murray. Really, yes, kyler Murray.
Speaker 3:Yes, number 10 was Kyler Murray. Really, yes, kyler Murray. Yes, not Justin Herbert. Where did Herbert finish on this list? So?
Speaker 2:you know that. So, Justin Herbert, he finished at 11. Oh.
Speaker 3:OK, all right, so I guess I wasn't. I mean, I know I was really off on that one because I didn't have I'm not sure I had Kyler Murray sniffing the top 20, to be completely honest, oh wow, the top 20 to be completely honest, oh wow, you had on that low it was a very quiet year for him. I didn't see any highlights. I don't feel like, uh, they were just kind of getting dominated in every other game that I watched them in this year.
Speaker 2:So I didn't think the Cardinals did anything, to be completely honest so to go over the top 10 finishes for this past 2024 season Number one you could almost say what Number one. And two, yeah, it's one and one A, but if you look at it though, it's Not really. I'm looking at points for how the season finished. Okay, lamar Jackson was a decent amount ahead of Josh Allen, really.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I mean, I guess I'm not shocked, because I had Joe Burrow being more in contention with Josh Allen and I didn't think much about Josh Allen versus Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2:So then to reword that then. So it's Lamar Jackson at one. Josh Allen, joe Burrow is basically 2a, 2b, okay, yeah, but lamar jackson had, you could basically say another mvp season. But yeah, lamar jackson, he had, he had a great year and with the stats I'm seeing seeing he finished the season with 41 touchdowns, four interceptions, yeah, and almost a thousand rushing yards again. Yep, he's being that consistent fantasy court fantasy football quarterback that you can rely on, even though he's going in your top four for adp, not in the one or two spot.
Speaker 3:Well, we're only two years healthy on lamar jackson at this current point in time, so that's that's probably the hesitation for some people still drafting him, because he only had one healthy season under his, one completely healthy season under his belt before he went into this year, and now it's two.
Speaker 3:So I think we're going to see the draft tendencies change in the 2025 season and I already know who is probably not going to be in that top 10 for adp yeah, sam tarnold um patrick mahomes possibly oh no, yeah, patrick mahomes is like okay, I'm just gonna say this real quick and I know this is a tad bit of a tangent, but patrick mahomes is, uh, still going to get, uh is still going to get people picking him in the first round, because there's plenty of people that draft that are more enamored by the star quality, like the headlines and and everything like there's going to be people who are low mid fantasy football drafters that are still going to be taking patrick mahomes much earlier than what he should be anymore oh 100 intelligent drafter is going to be fading him completely and not wanting him.
Speaker 3:But at the same time there's and even in really good leagues there's always that one guy or that one girl that is just going to take Mahomes in the second round anyway yeah, they're going to try to believe Patrick Mahomes, but if you are serious and keep up with the fantasy football, you're not.
Speaker 2:You're going to know, not touch Patrick Mahomes. Yep, number two and we'll talk with that. Number three also, josh allen and joe burrow. Josh allen, basically he took over the team for buffalo. Yeah, he was buffalo with with james cook and sprinkled in no arguments here. He was throwing to all, like what you could say, number two and number three receivers or number three and four receivers yeah, I was about to say two and three might be generous.
Speaker 3:Who's the real number two on that team? Like I mean, they made a trade for what, amari cooper at some point in time, but amari cooper is washed. Are you really telling me that you view khalil regardless of what numbers he had this year? You really telling me you view khalil shakir as a number two, not a team that actually has good wide receivers?
Speaker 2:no, I don't clear, shaquille is a number three. Yeah, he's your speedster who will work out of the slot yep, and this doesn't.
Speaker 3:You know, we're not factoring in the numbers that they had, because their number is going to be better because of alan, but on a team that actually has good receivers, none of these guys are sniffing uh the sniffing higher than number three yeah, 100 and 100%, and Joe Burrow bounce back here. I mean honestly, Joe Burrow makes the playoffs. Joe Burrow's in MVP contention.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure if Bengals make the playoffs, Joe Burrow wins the MVP.
Speaker 3:Yeah right. And the only reason why he's not going to be there fantasy wise is because he doesn't have the rushing upside that Joshosh allen and lamar jackson have well, I mean, if you look at the top three, for just for the rushing aspect, lamar jackson has the yards, not the touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Josh allen has the touchdowns, so right there, they're already getting projected higher than any other quarterback because of that rushing aspect yeah, they're going to be one and two in the uh 2025 ADP for sure 100 then, but also Joe Burrow, he Jamar Chase went off this year.
Speaker 3:He had his receiver and T Higgins didn't do bad either no, and there was a little bit of resurgence at the tight end position. What if someone who was previously watched I I'm forgetting the name right, mike Gisecki. Mike Gisecki.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, joe Burrow, turned him into you don't say a reliable fantasy football tight end, but he turned him into a tight end that you could plug and play here and there.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I could be completely wrong when we come to our tight end episode, but I'm probably going to put Mike Gisecki in the top 10. I'm probably going to put.
Speaker 2:Mike Gusecki in the top 10. Okay, but yeah, joe Burrow, he just went off. Yeah, he had that comeback season after being last year. He dealt with what was the calf Yep. Too bad, that defense was dreadful. Oh, 100%. If that defense was better, they'd be in the playoffs, and I don't think Pittsburgh would. Who knows who would have been in? Yeah, who knows. Then, at number four, the guy you made fun of with Cleveland, baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3:I made fun of Cleveland. I didn't make fun of Baker Mayfield. I put Baker Mayfield in my top ten. I just didn't think that he had what it took to compete with the running quarterbacks and the season that Joe Burrow had.
Speaker 2:Apparently, Baker Mayfield had a very Joe Burrow-esque season without me realizing it the crazy thing, if you look, if I'm looking at stats right here if Baker Mayfield didn't have as many interceptions, well, interceptions are part of the Baker Mayfield package, though, aren't? They? Well, I mean yes, but if you didn't look, if you look at the interceptions between Baker and Joe Burrow, baker Mayfield might be given a little fight for the number three spot.
Speaker 3:That's insane. He must have like that Tampa system. It just really is good for quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, if you look at it, baker, last year, the offense coordinator is now a head coach Yep, and the offense coordinator for the year before is a head coach for Carolina. Yeah, so they're doing something right with their coordinators, turning Baker Mayfield's career around.
Speaker 3:I just didn't think it was better than what Jaden Daniels did this year, so, but apparently I'm wrong.
Speaker 2:So what? What Baker Mayfield did is we'll bring in Jaden Daniels to this how you think Jaden Daniels still did better.
Speaker 3:Baker Mayfield had 41 touchdown passes and that's the difference there, because I didn't realize he had 41 touchdown passes.
Speaker 2:He had 41.
Speaker 3:And it's funny too, because, like Sarah, actually my wife Sarah is an avid fantasy football player too. She had a lot of shares of Baker Mayfield this year, so you think I would have noticed that Baker Mayfield was doing well.
Speaker 2:But, like Baker Mayfield finished with 41 touchdown passes, jaden Daniels only had 25 touchdown passes and six rushing yards Six rushing touchdowns yeah six rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 3:I was about to say he had more than six rushing yards on his second play of the season, didn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had almost you could basically say a couple yards less than Lamar Okay not shocked. That passing touchdown between Baker and Jayden. There's the big difference right there. And if you look also for between baker and jayden for total fantasy points, for normal ppr or single super flex or single quarterback, it was no bonuses. Jayden daniels was only 10 points less than baker. Baker was only eight points less than jo. Baker was only 8 points less than Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3:Wow, so this was a lot tighter than I thought it was.
Speaker 2:And then Joe Burrow is six points behind Josh Allen wow.
Speaker 3:So yeah, no, two through five was actually a lot tighter than I thought it was yeah, it was decently close between those three, or no, those four and then. But Jake Jayden Daniels rookie year takes Washington to the playoffs yeah, we're gonna be talking about him the same way we're talking about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson right now, in a few years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty sure we will be All that hype that Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3:I didn't even go near. You heard me willing to guess.
Speaker 2:Aaron Rodgers before Caleb Williams for this list. Yes, I know, but Jaden Daniels, he had an offense coordinator. You had someone that was going to. Oh yeah, kingsbury is excellent. Oh, and look what Kingsbury did with Kyler Murray. His first year, his rookie year. Kyler Murray was great. Yeah, no, no arguments here. And then, at number six, jared Goff of the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he had a really good kneecap biting season. Like, honestly, everyone on that team is a kneecap biter. The coach has trained them well yeah, well, I mean no.
Speaker 2:So only two players were kind of not kneecap biters, because you know they're going to produce and they're going to be great oh yeah, I'm on raw and jameson williams, but you know, no, no, jameer gibbs.
Speaker 3:Oh my bad, so that, so that's really three. I'm a kind of a kneecap fighter. It's Jamison Williams and Jameer Gibbs.
Speaker 2:That aren't Okay. But Jared Goff, he had another solid, great year for Detroit.
Speaker 3:He finished, yeah, I mean he's a good quarterback with a great coach, in a great system with great weapons. He's going to be flirting with top five every single year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weapons he's going to be flirting with top five every single year. Yeah, the one thing that will be interesting for the 2025 season is jared.
Speaker 3:With jared, golf is a new offense coordinator yeah, but it's still the, the mindset of the team and the weapons are still there and I'm not. I'm not concerned about jared golf this year, okay, and plus where, wherever you have to draft him. Like he's just, he's always cheap, like he wasn't even on this ADP list.
Speaker 1:No, he's not even in the top 10.
Speaker 3:And more than likely he's not going to get respected again next year, because people are going to look at the flashy ones before they look at Goff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everyone's going to look at the running quarterbacks Yep. And then the regular pocket passers. They're going to be like oh he did great last year, let's throw him in yep, and. But the thing is, you're gonna still have those. Have those people who are gonna draft the running quarterbacks, who didn't do good last year in the top 10, because they think they're gonna bounce back?
Speaker 3:yeah, well, honestly, that's kind of what I did in every league where I had jared goff. It was because I took anthony richardson early and I wanted an insurance policy. In the mid rounds I took Anthony Richardson early and I wanted an insurance policy in the mid rounds.
Speaker 3:Anthony Richardson. Yeah, that's, it's not a good look. No, not at all. And when I couldn't get Anthony Richardson, what I would do I would. I would try to stack Goff and Jaden Daniels later on, or Jaden Daniels and Matthew Stafford later on. Yes, that was like one of those things where it worked out for me one way or another, by by choosing the consistent and the upside.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I mean it's time to start viewing jared goff as an upside, to be completely honest literally people like every fantasy footballers out there have to like draft them in the top, the top 580, top 6 adp or at least in the top 10 adp. Yeah, he's produced, he's going to produce.
Speaker 3:Detroit's offense is loaded and also they've been instilled with that mentality of toughness. So we're to where, even if he were to get injured in the earlier half of the season, you would almost be assured that he'd be back for the playoffs oh, 100, playoffs, 100.
Speaker 2:So to get to now number seven, guy that I was not expecting to be in the top 10, you did not, I wasn't expecting him either, just mainly because, like I know, I said the name.
Speaker 3:But it was one of those things where it was kind of like it was because I was running out of other quarterbacks and I remembered enough of the season to where it's kind of like well, he had rushing yards, so why not throw him in?
Speaker 2:yeah, and that quarterback is bo nicks, bo nicks he. You could basically say he's the quarterback that Sean Payton wants. Do you remember who the quarterback Sean Payton had in New Orleans?
Speaker 3:Yeah, drew Brees, drew Brees. How could you not remember Drew Brees?
Speaker 2:I'm just asking. But Bo Nix is going to operate that offense how Sean Payton wants it and just like how Drew Brees did. He that offense how Sean Payton wants it and just like how Drew Brees did. He's going to have a little bit of upside with the rushing, but he's going to.
Speaker 3:He's going to run it how Sean Payton wants it, yep he's going to have a little more rushing, a little less of the intermediate passes and and the same amount of the downfield chucks yeah, it's going to be the Sean Payton offense that's going to be in Orleans Bo. Nix to Marvin Mims was fun to watch in the second half of the season and then Cortland Sutton. He became Bo Nix's best friend and we were still picking him up off of waiver. Why are weeks two and three of the regular season?
Speaker 2:yes, because nobody believed that Cortland Sutton was going to be good or Bo Nix was going to be a top 10 fantasy quarterback. Yeah, number eight.
Speaker 3:Jalen Hurts, who you did. Numbers were very down across the board though.
Speaker 2:His passing was down, so his stats were 2903 for passing yards, 18 passing touchdowns, five interceptions, but he still had 14 rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 3:And that's what keeps him on the list here Always Because the tush push wasn't reliant on Jason Kelsey, or maybe it was. It's just Saquon Barkley is a stronger running back and behind him now, so you don't need as good of a center because you have a stronger running back pushing you.
Speaker 2:But it's not even that. Their new center, Cam Juergens. He was a pro bowler this year.
Speaker 3:And also, to be fair, like he, jalen Hurts ripped some long runs for touchdowns too, this year too, yes, he did. The threat of having saquon barkley in the backfield made it easier for jared uh, for jalen hurts to perform as a runner also having that offensive line is going to allow you to do anything in the run game.
Speaker 3:We could be behind that line and do something I'm uh, I am a little concerned about the, the passing regression this year, though, so I know I I'm probably not going to beat as much on him drafting in 2025 but the thing was it.
Speaker 2:The thing is, was it really? Yes, there was a passing regression, but was it because jalen hurts wasn't good at passing? Or was it because why get away from running the ball? Just run the ball behind that o-line and with saquon?
Speaker 3:well, that's a good. That's a very irrelevant question for fantasy, though. Yeah, that's true, because unless you're telling me that saquon's, you know something's bad's happening the first week of the season or in the preseason. It's going to be the same scenario next year. We're not fading patrick mahomes because he got bad at passing. We're fading him because he learned how, uh how, to win without putting up numbers yeah he.
Speaker 2:We, patrick mahomes, learned how to win with a. You could be. They're not mediocre. They're still a great team, but a mediocre receiving core yeah so john hertz could be headed.
Speaker 3:That direction is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's possible with a superstar receiving core, yeah, and then at number nine, sam Darnold.
Speaker 3:Okay, number 10. I mean, we might as well just put, we might as well just put like so. So here's what it is. You know how? Jared Goff is a good quarterback in a great system, with a great coach, with great weapons. Yes, sam Darnold has the great system, the great coach and the great weapons, and the jury's still out if he's a good quarterback.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, I'm just saying I can see if Minnesota does not bring him back for the 2025 season and he goes somewhere else, he's going to get paid, but he's going to be a flop.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, I'm not going to go that far, but I'm just going to say that I'm not convinced that he's a good quarterback after one good season.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one good season with Minnesota, with Kevin Stefanski, the quarterback guru.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he was in. Throw in the Justin Jefferson, jordan Addison, tj Hawkinson and a lot more players that were very productive. Aaron Jones, you'd be surprised how good the If you didn't see a Vikings game this year. Go back and watch a couple of Vikings games, you'll see why Sam Darnold looked good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's they. Like you said, justin Jefferson. They threw the ball to Justin Jefferson all the time.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, he liked Jordan Addison a lot in the second half of the year, but Addison's still a great receiver too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Jordan Addison got a lot of those deep balls. Yeah, then number 10, who both of us did not expect here, kyler.
Speaker 3:Murray. This was a very vanilla season from the Cardinals. Like honestly, they were a very forgettable team this year and knowing that the Trey McBride's still had an amazing year, I can't really think if anyone else on that team did well. So I think that Kyler Murray being number 10 is more of an indictment on the quarterback position this year and shows more of how run friendly the NFL was this year than it shows how good of a season Kyler Murray had. Am I wrong? You have the stats in front of you yeah, it's, that's true.
Speaker 2:Kyler murray's rushing yards were down, which is he's usually almost in what? Almost in the almost a thousand yards. Usually I mean he's higher up, not this year. He finished with um just below 600 yards. Wow, he's below jalen hurts. Yeah, he's lily, he's just above. He. He's like 100 yards above Bo Nix. He's it's like that's not Kyler Murray. Rushing is a part of his game. Yeah, and that's what you depend on for Kyler Murray as a fantasy football quarterback His rushing upside. You don't always depend on his passing, but his rushing was nothing this year for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it's again. It was like it was a very vanilla season for the cardinals. Yeah, it was and I know that. I know they were winning games too at some point in time, like they were in some sort of playoff contention in in the later weeks of the season. But it's like it's only because the division was bad or worse than normal not bad per se, but but it's also, they still have james connor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, james connor still was a decent running back.
Speaker 3:Well, I didn't. I didn't say they were a bad team, I said they were a vanilla team.
Speaker 2:There's a difference yes, I completely understand, but for Kyler Murray as a word, if people want Kyler Murray to return to his rookie and sophomore season, I mean it's uh, yeah, I'm I'm not going too much in on Kyler Murray, it's.
Speaker 3:We've seen quarterbacks like kyler murray come and go before yeah, that is 100, true.
Speaker 2:So if we were to compare the top 10 with the adp, we already know who gets a pass and who does not.
Speaker 3:And that's the one is dac prescott, because he just was hurt yeah, I mean unless you were hurt you don't get a pass because because the yeah the bottom spots are a little more lackluster than they have been in previous years, so I'm not giving anyone a pass unless they were hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one player going to the players. Now we're not going to go, we're going to still stay in the top five of ADP, and that guy is CJ Stroud.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no hard, no, like I like. The only one who gets a bigger no is Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and like CJ Stroup, he was getting drafted as the fifth quarterback for ADP.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that was a disaster Like the only bigger disaster was Anthony Richardson getting drafted at number. What six for?
Speaker 2:ADP.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's like I'm not saying. Well, first things first.
Speaker 2:I got to kind of be out on taking richardson high anymore, and if I'm gonna go back to either one of these guys next year, I'm probably going to see if I can get stroud in the later rounds yeah, so with like stroud he finished at quarterback 18 with unbelievable weapons, with a coach that we believe in, with a defense that was good like but but nico collins was hurt, tank dale then got another season in ending injury, but you still had joe mixon, you still had dalton schultz and you still had stefan diggs, and there was not.
Speaker 2:There's really no excuse no stefan diggs stores take tories acl. Oh, when was wow? How did I forget that? That's like cj stroud's like. Well, it's like cj stroud, yeah, he was, he played the entire season. It's like CJ Stroud, yeah, he was, he played the entire season. It's you could basically say, his entire receiving core just fell to pieces.
Speaker 3:I mean, we've seen quarterbacks have the receiving course fall to pieces. The great ones, it's next man up for. Cj Stroud still had better weapons than Josh Allen.
Speaker 2:I was about to say look at number two. Who finished at number two? Josh Allen.
Speaker 3:Who did he have no one, and Lamar Jackson did it multiple times with just Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you look at Lamar Jackson, he has Zay Flowers, kind of Rashad Bateman, and then Mark Andrews and Isaiah Lakely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm not, because if we're going to say that a depleted receiving core means that the good quarterback doesn't do well, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to say is it's more indicative of what level of quarterback CJ Stroud is.
Speaker 2:We all thought that he could be one of the greatest in the league and he's just a good quarterback with weapons. But if you look at his rookie year the 2023 season he went off. He was a top 10 fantasy football quarterback. The 2023 season he went off. He was a top 10 fantasy football quarterback. He's in his sophomore year 20 for the 2024 season and he just did not do good.
Speaker 3:So I'm just I'm just simply saying that it's probably more fair to compare him to being jared goff than it is to compare him to being lamar jackson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's cj stroud 2025 season. We'll have to do it all over again and depend on where he is.
Speaker 3:Yep, and don't get me wrong, I think he could get back up to a level where he's a top 10, but I'm not expecting him to be the number one quarterback anymore.
Speaker 2:No, I don't expect him to be it either. And then next guy at number six overall for ADP, Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, we already talked about that, though a little didn't we Like that, though a little didn't we like. He's just the benching for joe flacco. And don't get me wrong, joe flacco still has it, but it's, it was bad. He gets hurt, he can't stay healthy. Yeah, but it's not just that, it's you can't throw yeah it's anthony.
Speaker 3:Richardson is a completely different animal. As somebody who has a lot of shares of richardson and dynasty, who unfortunately still has a lot of shares of richardson, I I don't know what to do because at this point in time I'd I'd just rather I'd rather cut him and be wrong years from now than then trade him away and be wrong. That way.
Speaker 2:So you mean be the colts who are stuck with him right now and don't know what to do? Yep, and then the next person, like dak prescott, gets a pass because he he got injured yeah, but I mean to be fair.
Speaker 3:He was probably borderline top 10 even if he played all 17 games. I don't feel like his fantasy points per game were that high Dak.
Speaker 2:Prescott finished as quarterback 32.
Speaker 3:He played only eight games okay, so he was gone for too long, but man, I thought he still played at least 10. No, cooper rush played 12. Okay, I mean, I'm still not convinced that what he did in eight games would have had him in the top 10 and then the last person that who was getting 10th overall on adp was jordan love he had a little surprising. I'm actually not fully sure what happened there.
Speaker 2:I almost you could say, like jordan loves finished at quarterback 17 for fantasy football, right, right, right in front of cj stroud. Yeah, both, you could basically say, had their rookie years, even though it wasn't jordan love's rookie year, but they both it almost seems like they both went through a sophomore slump, which is not what you're used to seeing with uh green bay packer quarterbacks no, you're not, but I wish I had more comments to make about jordan love.
Speaker 3:I I really don't like and I get, with how hard I was on cj stroud that I should have more to say about jordan love. But I guess it's more because I bought into cj stroud really hard, really bad, and I never completely bought into jordan love everyone bought into cj stroud after his rookie year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everybody did and I don't know why. I didn't buy into love to the same level. I bought into stroud. I just but yeah, don't get me. I didn't buy into Love to the same level, I bought into Stroud. I just don't get me wrong. Stroud was definitely a target of mine, it's just he was going sooner than I was willing to take a quarterback 100% and it's like if Jordan Love, he had a great year in the 2023 season and then this year it's.
Speaker 2:I don't know where he went.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wish I knew. Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of fantasy football wanted to know what happened exactly with Jordan Love.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm not going to say too much about Jordan Love because, to be completely honest, I'm more confused than I am upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's really for the. If you were to compare the top 10 to ADP, it's literally it's just CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson and Jordan Love who really are the three that you can basically say are they worth a top 10 adp for the 2025 season?
Speaker 3:where dac prescott you don't exactly know because he was injured- yeah, I mean, like the truth of the matter is there's going to be players that are worth a top 10 adp, that are should be getting it over those three and, like to be completely honest, like anthony, I don't know how anyone could still buy into anthony richardson being their top quarterback going into the season at this current point in time.
Speaker 2:No, not at all.
Speaker 3:So you have to be drafting Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield before Anthony Richardson at this point in time. You have to, you have to, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, to finish up the episode, we're going to look back at the top 10 ADP versus top 10 finishes. We're going to look back at the top 10 ADP versus top 10 finishes. So for the ADP for single quarterback Josh Allen at 22.2, patrick Mahomes at 30.7, lamar Jackson at 34.4, jalen Hurts at 34.7, cj Stroud at 41.4, anthony Richardson at 56, joe Burrow at 61.2, dak Prescott at 71.2, kyler Murray at 78.1, jordan Love at 80.4. And then for Superflex, josh Allen at 1.5, patrick Mahomes at 3.3, lamar Jackson at 7.8, jalen Hurts at 4.4, cj Stroud at 8, anthony Richardson at 14.6, joe Burrow at 15.6, dak Prescott at 19.1, kyler Murray at 21.4, jordan Love at 25.4. And then the top 10 finishes for the 2024 fantasy football season Lamar Jackson at 1, josh Allen at 2, joe Burrow at 3, baker Mayfield at 4, jaden Daniels at 5, jared Goff at 6, bo Nix at 7, jalen Hertz at 8, sam Dardle at 9, kyler Murray at six, bo Nix at seven, jalen Hurts at eight, sam Dardle at nine, kyler Murray at ten.
Speaker 2:Thanks again for listening to the Fantasy Football Archivers, season 3, episode 1. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host J Mil. Hey, hey, and thanks again.
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