The Fantasy Football Archivers
The Fantasy Football Archivers will be taking a deep dive looking at the past Fantasy Football season to compare the ADP VS top 10 finishes for Quarterbacks, Running backs, Wide receivers, Tight Ends. Where Zach Waldron and Jon Miller aka J-MiL will be helping you compare the previous season to make you better at drafting for the years to come. Each season will consist of 4 episodes and the episodes will be released every 2 weeks.
ADP stands for Average Draft Position
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The Crazy 2024 Fantasy Football Wide Receiver Shockers: ADP Insights and Top 10 Outcomes
The fantasy football landscape shifted dramatically in 2024, with established wide receiver hierarchies upended and several shocking breakouts redefining the position. This episode delivers a comprehensive analysis of how preseason ADP expectations measured against actual top-10 finishers, revealing crucial insights for fantasy managers.
Jamar Chase's dominant triple crown season (127 catches, 1,708 yards, 17 TDs) established him as the clear elite at the position, creating significant separation between him and even the excellent seasons of Justin Jefferson and Amon-Ra St. Brown. Chase's performance alone could justify first overall consideration in future drafts, far exceeding his mid-first round ADP.
Perhaps the most compelling storyline emerged from the rookie class, where Brian Thomas Jr. (WR4) and Malik Nabers (WR6) shattered expectations. Neighbors' production with quarterback play that cycled through Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, and Tommy DeVito challenges conventional wisdom about receiver dependency on quarterback quality. His 109 catches on 170 targets demonstrated that elite talent can transcend poor quarterback situations, a revelation that should inform future draft strategies.
Drake London's emergence at WR5 coincided perfectly with Arthur Smith's departure from Atlanta, validating years of criticism that Smith's schemes limited offensive talent. With 100 catches, 1,271 yards, and 9 touchdowns, London finally delivered on his promise, similar to how Bijan Robinson broke out at running back once freed from Smith's system.
We also witness the resurrection of Terry McLaurin, who finally secured competent quarterback play with Jayden Daniels and delivered a WR7 season that justified years of "quarterback away" projections. Meanwhile, disappointments included Tyreek Hill's absence from the top 10, AJ Brown's fall from grace in a more run-heavy Eagles offense, and Marvin Harrison Jr.'s failure to live up to immediate rookie hype.
By comparing the stories of success and disappointment, we extract valuable lessons about evaluating wide receiver potential, quarterback dependency, coaching impact, and the unpredictable timelines of rookie development. Whether you're already planning your 2025 draft strategy or simply seeking to understand what happened in 2024, this episode provides the comprehensive analysis fantasy managers need to stay ahead of the competition.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Football Archivers podcast with your host, zach Waldron, and John Miller, aka J Mill.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the Fantasy Football Archivers. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host, john Miller, aka J Mill.
Speaker 3:Hey, hey.
Speaker 2:And on today's episode we are going to be looking at the 2024 season wide receiver ADP versus top 10 finishes. To kick everything off, we're going to jump right into the wide receiver ADP At number one Tyreek Hill at 2.7. Ceedee Lamb at 3.1. Justin Jefferson at 4.9, jamar Chase at 5.9, aminra St Brown at 6.8, aj Brown at 9.1, garrett Wilson at 11.7, marvin Harrison at 15.4, puka Nakua at 17.3, and then at 10 we have 10A is Devontae Adams at 17.6, 10b. Drake London at 19.3, and then at 10 we have 10a is davante adams at 17.6, 10b. Drake london at 19.7, and then chris alave at 23.4 for 10c. And this is for a single quarterback 10a, b and c. Wow, when we get over to superflex, when I say the adp for the superflex, you're gonna see it's like they all change okay then for super flex, tyreek hill is 5.1 cd.
Speaker 2:Lamb 6.1. Justin jefferson 9.7. Jamar chase 10.5. Amin rah st brown 11.1. Aj. 23.1. Puka Nakua 17.7. Devante Adams 33.5. Drake London 31.6. Chris Alave 31.8.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean the first six stayed the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first six, and then you have Puka jumping Garrett all the way up to seven for Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison, and then Drake London takes 10, the seven for Garrett Wilson and Marvin Harrison, and then Drake London takes 10A.
Speaker 3:Chris Alave, 10b, and then Devante Adams at 10C. I don't have a guess as to why that changed. To be completely honest, I'm really not sure on this one, because I would think that any logic that would push Devante Adams back further would have also pushed Tyreek Hill back further in the top of the list. So I have really nothing to say, other than, once again, it's different people that are drafting super flex versus different people who are drafting, you know, regular redraft.
Speaker 2:And the one thing that did is Puka Nukua jumping all the way up to seven in super flex, to nine in single quarterback.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess the super flex people just like Puka better, like I kind of agree and I'm a little more of a super flex person than I am a one quarterback person.
Speaker 2:So All right, let's jump over to the top 10 finishes for the 2024 season.
Speaker 3:All right, I make my guesses J Mill can you guess those top 10?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean first things. First, we know that Tyree Kill did not stay on this list because of all the two of stuff again, it's always all the two of stuff, it's never tyree kill, to be completely honest. Uh, so we know that he's not up there and as someone who had a few too many shares of marvin harrison jr, I know he did not stay in the in contention. Uh, davante adams was somewhere in the range but I don't think he was quite there because I feel like he really didn't come on until the second half of the season. I don't think Chris Olave was still there.
Speaker 3:What I do know is obviously, you know, jamar Chase won the Triple Crown this year. So it was Jamar Chase won, and I'm pretty sure it was Justin Jefferson too, and I feel like AJ Brown and Amon Ross Brown both stayed on this list and I think we had three rookies join the list in malik neighbors brian thomas jr and lad mcconkey. So I know cd lamb stayed on. I'm just kind of how many do I have right now? I have jamar chase one, justin jefferson two I'm on roth three.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't really know what order the three rookies are in okay, so so you have have the three, and then you have Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's Brian Thomas, ladd McConkie and Malik Neighbors. I feel like Neighbors was probably the highest of all of them, but Brian Thomas doesn't stay on my radar well enough, so I feel like he's potentially did better than I realized that he did.
Speaker 2:You also have AJ Brown on the list.
Speaker 3:Six so seven the list. Six so seven with AJ Brown, eight with CD lamb, nine with Garrett Wilson and man, scary Terry and JSN both had breakout seasons last year. To the point where I feel like I potentially got someone wrong, I'm just going to say that scary Terry is on the list and jsn probably finished justin. Now I feel like jsn's top 10, and you know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2:Jsn finished just out top, outside the top 10 okay, so put them in, put those 10 in order okay, I'll go with um chase one.
Speaker 3:Jefferson two I'm on raw three. I'm pretty confident on that. I I'm going to go with Malik Neighbors 4, ryan Thomas 5, ceedee Lamb 6?. No, scary Terry 6, ceedee Lamb 7. Who do I still have?
Speaker 2:AJ Brown you have AJ Brown, Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3:No, I'll go. Garrett Wilson 8, AJ Brown 9, and.
Speaker 2:Ladd McConkie at 10?.
Speaker 3:Ladd McConkie at 10. Okay, kind of feeling that there's a chance that it's JSN McConkey at 11, but we'll find out.
Speaker 2:OK, so you got. You got Jamar Chase correct, justin Jefferson correct and I'm going around St Brown correct. In those order Cool. So for your top 10 for the 2024 season for wide receivers, number one was Jamar Chase, number two was Justin Jefferson, number three was Amin Rahm St Brown.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I don't think that that's a surprise at all with how you know. I guess we'll just collectively get them like we. Obviously Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown this year the receptions, the yards and the touchdowns. There's no way he couldn't have been first unless one of these guys had like 500 rushing yards on the ground also, which none of them are going to be handling the ball, 500 yards worth. And jefferson was just went back to being dominant. It's just, you know, in a year when somebody has what you know career year, that chase had it's. You know jefferson's not going to take first. And then the lions offense was just all over the place last year. It would be hard to imagine that aman did not finish in that spot, which obviously he did okay, and then four through ten.
Speaker 2:You kind of have correct, but you also have them out of order okay, I mean that's not surprising I was. I didn't feel all that comfortable about any of those and three of the names that you said weren't on the list okay, so I'm gonna guess that mcconkie's not on the list.
Speaker 3:Okay, I know brian thomas malik neighbors and garet wilson were on the list yeah, I'm gonna say going to say it's McConkie, Scary, Terry and AJ Brown.
Speaker 2:Okay. So number four was Brian Thomas Okay. Number five was Drake London. Oh, my goodness, I did not see that coming at all. Number six was Malik Neighbors Okay. Number seven was Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Number eight was cd lamb okay number nine was jackson smith and jigma.
Speaker 3:Then number 10 was garrett wilson okay, so I missed on mcconkey and aj brown, aj brown okay, which is not a bad guess, ed where did they finish? Did brown have an injury that I didn't realize?
Speaker 2:let's see aj brown played 13 games, but also remember saquon barkley joined philly this year and it was a saquon barkley show yeah, and they just became into a running offense, not passing the ball. Yeah, so let's go over this top 10 for the 2024 season. Jamar chase like you said, he won the triple crown. He went off. Nobody was touching him. Enough, said right, literally it's he out. He was 20 over jefferson and catches he was over, basically, say, 200 and so over in yards and seven over in touchdowns yeah, no, it's pure domination.
Speaker 3:It's and honestly I thought he was gonna have a big year. It's just I didn't have an early enough a pick, an early enough pick in any draft to actually get any shares of jamar chase in 2024 the crazy thing is my, my friend, who's in my league, traded for Jamar Chase. People weren't trading him in leagues. I was in.
Speaker 2:He traded Jaden Daniels, and I think it was someone else or some other, another person for Jamar Chase. Well, depending on who the other person is.
Speaker 3:I might actually want the Jaden Daniels and other person side.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, the other person needs a quarterback and you're giving away jayden daniels, who had a great rookie year. Yeah, but I still don't think I would have traded jamar chase away I don't know, depends what the third piece was and then number two, justin jefferson.
Speaker 3:He came back to his normal self I feel like I feel like we had a conversation when we were uh, when we were doing uh classes together for um, for podcasting. I feel like we had this conversation on an unrecorded episode, like well, it was recorded but it was for class and it was never released on this show or anything. But we but more or less agreed that justin jefferson was quarterback proof, right yeah, I mean, look at him he had.
Speaker 2:He went from kurt cousins to, surprisingly, sam darnold. That's all he needed. He needed a quarterback.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he only needs Sam Darnold or better, in order to be a top three wide receiver.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, he does, but yeah. So Jefferson was 103 catches, 1,533 yards, 10 touchdowns. That's a great season. Yeah, could have been wide receiver one a lot of other years. But you have Jamar Chase 127, 1708, and 17. So to get back to that Jamar Chase trade I was telling you about, so my friend got Jamar Chase. He traded away Travis Kelsey, Devontae Adams and Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3:I mean, when did the trade happen? Is this Dynasty or is this Redraft? This is Superflex Keeper League. Happy like honestly, is this dynasty or is this, uh, redraft? This is read this is a super flex keeper league. I, I still like the, I still like the jayden adams and uh, jayden adams and kelsey trade, more side more yeah, and this was the end of september.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in a box. I still like that trade, I still like that side more, but, like you know, if, uh, there are definitely scenarios in which I would want the jamar chase side more, but it's, you can't call it an unfair trade no, and jamar chase won in the league. I I'm curious, though, if he had the points from adams and daniels, if he would have still won the league anyway we would never know I mean, we could know we could do the math yeah, you could do the math.
Speaker 2:All I know is the day he the after traded Jamar Chase. He played me that week, the next week and destroyed me because Chase put that. What 60-point game.
Speaker 3:Okay, so there is a little personal bias in your assessment of this trade.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, you could say that. And then at number three, amin Ra, saint-brown, sun God, sun God. He's Detroit's weapon. He's's proven that he's going to be higher than number five in redraft, I mean in adp, but he's going to be there because everyone's still going to take cd lamb overall I was targeting aman rah and all my drafts last year in the first round, so he was my plan a and garrett wilson was my plan b okay. So if you were in the range for Amon Ra, you were taking him over everybody else.
Speaker 3:Yes, actually I think somewhere I'm recorded saying that Amon Ra was my offensive player of the year, going into 2024.
Speaker 2:Okay and but yeah, he did his normal numbers for catches. He had the 1200 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns. He had the year he always has.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's disappointing to what I was thinking he was going to be, but at the same time it's not disappointing for Amon Ra, and you know he's just going to be a top five wide receiver every year, it seems.
Speaker 2:Yes he is. And then number four, the rookie, with Brian Thomas Jr. Everybody you could say basically called him. He was not going to be that great wide receiver coming out of the draft. He's only a contested catch receiver because he was behind Malik neighbors at LSU.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but most people do. Like I mean, I wasn't saying he was going to be nothing, I know that much. It was one of those things because, like Once, LSU receivers seem to hit the NFL in pairs, like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase, like Odell Beckham Jr and Jarvis Landry, like it's. I think it was stupid that people weren't believing in Brian Thomas, though Admittedly, like you know, jacksonville seemed like a rough spot. Obviously, I always overlook every player in Jacksonville, like I'm, who knows if I even watch the Jaguars play at all. Like, honestly, I can't remember the last time I've seen a Jaguars game and I go out of my way to see every NFL team at least three times during the course of the season. So, like I'm, I apologize Jaguar fans, I mean probably not, your team is boring and not good, um but and it doesn't really even get any good controversy since Urbanyer, but like so literally all three seasons that we've done.
Speaker 2:You have bashed the jaguars yeah, and unintentionally too.
Speaker 3:It's just I leave their guys off the list now for what it's worth. I did put jabart. I did put brian thomas in the force in the five spot when I was making this list, so he was on my radar.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he had great numbers as a rookie and then at number five, Drake London.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess it's Kirk Cousins. I guess that was the one, but Kirk Cousins didn't play the full season. I guess he finally. I guess he'd get rid of Arthur Smith and some of the offensive weapons start performing. Right, that's what it is right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's arthur smith. Like we did with the last episode, with running backs for 2024 season, bijan robinson goes off by receivers drake london. He's a top five receiver.
Speaker 2:So any criticism I gave about arthur smith in the past was completely fair and I don't have to uh, eat any crow or whatnot, it's always nice the one thing, though, is, if michael pennix j was the quarterback for a full year, drake London probably would have done better, because Kirk Cousins just was not Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I mean potentially, but yeah, drake London, he had a great year. I mean, he had 100 catches, he had 1,200 receiving yards and he had nine touchdown catches, which is not bad at all. He didn't have any fumbles.
Speaker 3:Yeah, honestly, if I would have given it some deeper thought and if I would have actually thought to ask if aj brown actually played a full season or not, drake london, it might have been a guy that I would have started moving up the list. But I know because I had 11 on the on the list so I just would have solidified both lad mcconkey and jsn on okay, and then malik neighbors I had a ton of shares malik neighbors.
Speaker 3:He was in every league he was. He was there at the, at the spot in the draft that I wanted him, and you know some people say that, uh, getting injured twice in the same season really has them concerned. It's like, well, not, not for redraft like he, he, he balled whenever he was playing, like it's. Whatever quarterback was was on the field for the Giants. They just kept on throwing him targets. Whether they were good targets or not, it didn't matter. They just kept on giving Malik Nabors the ball.
Speaker 2:Malik Nabors. He didn't have quarterback. Daniel Jones gets benched, Then he goes to nobody quarterbacks yeah.
Speaker 3:He literally four targets Drew Locke and Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 2:Yeah, four targets. He was five less than Jamar Chase. Yeah, Like that's insane Five less than Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3:And he catches 109 of them and he was about 150 on target targets, less than Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can get to the catch record when we get to the tight end episode because of the rookie numbers that was set okay, but but that's just crazy from elite neighbors. Lily had 170 targets for 109, like I don't. You don't see that as a rookie especially, but you also, it's the giants I mean it's literally, literally.
Speaker 3:There was no other viable offensive weapon like and to be fair, like you know, rookie wide receivers take the lead guy storm all the time, it's just some of them take time to develop yeah, you always have the rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 2:At times they take time to develop to into the nfl. There's times where they just hit the scene and go off.
Speaker 3:Yeah and then and typically it's the lsu uh wide receivers that hit the scene and they go off yeah, that's true, yeah, I mean. Yeah, brian thomas and league neighbors, both on this list they should mark chase and justin jefferson, uh, when their rookie seasons too like and then number seven, terry mcclure and scary terry yeah, finally has a quarterback, so finally is living up to the top 10 potential yeah, finally has a quarterback in jayden daniels finally produced for once.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it's, it's never been his fault, it's just been. You know, he hasn't had a quarterback. This is, this is who we like. We said this about dj moore and, uh, terry mclaurin for years if they had a quarterback, they would be monsters. They would be top 10 staples, top five, uh, probables that is very true.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, scary mclaren he's. The one thing I don't like with scary, with terry mclaren, is he turned kind of into a deep threat more than a possession receiver. It's the style of play. But he had great numbers for finally being in the top 10. He was just over a thousand receiving yards and he probably will be consistent, hopefully now that he has jayden daniels.
Speaker 2:Yeah I mean he should be the number eight, cd lamb, who kind of had a down year, but he also did not have, dak prescott, basically for the full season yeah, I mean which.
Speaker 3:I don't know what the numbers were with dak and without dak, but at the same time it's cd, like we can say that 2024 was a down year but like maybe 2023 was the anomaly they don't have a bad.
Speaker 2:They didn't have a good backup quarterback and cd lamb you can see he's not the same player without dac. Yeah, but he still had still had good numbers.
Speaker 3:He was 100 catches, 1100 receiving yards and six touchdowns you know, I mean obviously still very good numbers, but uh, you know, once again it's we. We can talk about the quarterback situation all we want, but malik neighbors did it with probably worse quarterback play than cd lamb did. And malik neighbors did it in his rookie season and justin like, let's pretend for a minute just that. Um, we know that sam darnold had a career year, but did sam darnold have a career year because he finally broke out or was it because of the weapons and the coach that he had?
Speaker 2:You heard my opinion on it in episode one when we did the quarterbacks for 2024. I think it was the weapons and the coaching staff.
Speaker 3:So you know you can't. If a wide receiver is truly, if a wide receiver is truly as elite as they are, then they're going to put up the top 10 season without and they'll put up the top five season without. Ceedee Lamb showed this year that he's a definite top 10 wide receiver and we can now question a little whether his year as number one was just a career year yeah, and then number nine jackson, smith and jigma yeah, he broke out this year after no seeing, almost no use in, uh, his rookie campaign.
Speaker 3:See, this is sometimes these rookies take a, these work, while receivers sometimes take a little bit to develop, uh. But tyler lockett kind of fell off in 2024 and that gave you know, that gave Jackson and Jigma a chance to uh really shine and, if I'm correct, the Seahawks were trailing a lot in 2020, a lot more than normal in 2024 too, which I think helped them out yes, but yeah, jackson Smith and Jigma.
Speaker 2:He took over that slot position from Tyler Lockett. Dk Metcalf wasn't his original self going off with these big games and Njigma just took over. Yeah, and even though he had Geno Smith, he still produced and showed you that he can be a. After one good year, he could possibly be still a good wide receiver.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no issues with JSN going forward.
Speaker 2:No, I think he will be a good pickup in drafts going forward in the future. Yep, and then number 10, garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3:I feel like it should have been higher. Honestly, it would have been higher if they didn't trade for Devante Adams midseason or early midseason.
Speaker 3:And also him and Rodgers had a little problem connecting in the first three, five games or whatnot. It was frustrating to watch because it just seemed like Rodgers wanted to throw more to Lazard. But in the end it was kind of like Garrett Wilson's talent. He eventually got the chemistry of Rodgers, the talent shown through and even with Devontae Adams there who I'm sure put up a top 15 wide receiver season. It's just, you know, sometimes an offense like the Jets offense isn't good enough to support two top 10 wide receivers.
Speaker 2:And I know I'm going to hear for this, but Rodgers is not a top 10 quarterback, even a top five quarterback.
Speaker 3:I don't think anymore. Yeah, well, I mean, it's pretty clear he wasn't on the list.
Speaker 2:No, and yeah, you have Rodgers. It's his name, but Garrett Wilson, I think, is going to whoever his quarterback is going to produce.
Speaker 3:If Rodgers were still in the years of being a top 10 quarterback, then Garrett Wilson would have been a top five wide receiver and Devontae Adams would have been a top 10 wide receiver.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%. They would both be in the top 10.
Speaker 3:And the Jets would not be drafting in the first 10 picks.
Speaker 2:No, they wouldn't. But Devontae Adams finished at 11.
Speaker 3:Oh wow. So the Jets pretty much had two top 10 wide receivers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can say that. But now Devontae Adams, we'll have to find out where he goes. But you had Rodgers. Yeah, he's still. Nobody likes him really anymore. I don't anymore, I don't know about you because you're a Jets fan. I, I don't anymore.
Speaker 3:I don't know about you because you're a Jets fan. I mean it's. You know, rogers was a failed experiment.
Speaker 2:I mean the last two years. A failed experiment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, rogers, for the Jets was a failed experiment.
Speaker 2:Yes, garrett Wilson, let's. Hopefully the Jets can get him a quarterback and see if he can be a true number one receiver that they've been wanting to be.
Speaker 3:I mean to be fair. He was kind of a true one, like number one receiver that they've been wanting to be. I mean to be fair. He was kind of a true one, like, if you look at the names of the people who finished ahead of him, like he's, he is a true number one wide receiver, even with mediocre quarterback play. Like he's, he's put up the like, didn't? He had a top 10 season with Zach Wilson as his quarterback before. So like, I'm not gonna. Like he's a true number one, regardless of who the quarterback is.
Speaker 2:It's just he's not uh, he's not justin jefferson or jamar chase no, or I'm gonna say brown, but yeah, it's hard to compare a lot of people to I'm around st brown because he is that slot receiver. Yep some slotty goodness to now go back and compare adP with the top 10 finishes. Who on the list do you give a break to and who on the list you do not?
Speaker 3:Honestly, I know he still finished top 10, but I don't give CeeDee Lamb a break at all. Ceedee Lamb proved that he's not in the category with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. I'm just flat out saying it. Who I do give a break to? I give a break to Tyree kill because Tyree kill is up there in age and Tyree kill is absolutely like uh, and there were there were issues with Tua, like honestly, the two of stuff was something we knew was problematic. Going into the season, we knew that Tyreek and waddle did not perform to the same levels without to it as the quarterback. So that's on the miami dolphins for not having a better backup quarterback. Okay, uh, besides that, like those are, those are my only two strong opinions okay, I mean aj brown the eagles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did miss some game. He missed games, but eagles went to a straight running offense.
Speaker 3:Yeah so aj Brown gets a break.
Speaker 2:And then Marvin Harrison Jr. I don't. Yeah, he was drafted in the top 10, but he's a rookie. Yeah, everybody was getting him all this hype that he was going to just explode in the NFL. But you saw, he's a rookie and he has to make adjustments.
Speaker 3:I can't judge Marvin Harrison Jr one way or another until year two. Yeah, um, obviously, if he would have been, if he would have put up the Brian, thomas and Malik neighbors numbers, then I would be praising him. But sometimes wide receivers take a second year to develop, sometimes they take a third year to develop.
Speaker 2:So and then Pukunuku, he gets the pass because he was hurt yeah, you get injured, you get the pass yeah unless you get injured doing something stupid like riding dirt bikes in the offseason yeah, and then davante adams, like we already talked about he, he doesn't really get the pass, but he it's kind of a moot point, because he didn't realize he'd be splitting target share with garrett wilson.
Speaker 3:So he gets a little bit of a pass but he still finished at 11 yeah, and he was more or less a top 10 guy anyway. So and he started the year with the raiders yep, because you know you pointed out before that davante adams wasn't a, uh, a 10 by himself. He was like a 10 c and a 10 a, so theoretically he finished off 10 b by using that standard. So he finished right in the range he was supposed to yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like davante adams, like for single quarterback, he was getting drafted at 10 super flex. He was getting drafted out of the top 10, yeah, but he still kind of showed you that he can be a on the fringe top 10, but he's just probably going to be out of the top 10 moving forward possibly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean once again he was on fringe top 10 adp when it was either gardner minshu or aiden o'connell listed as his quarterback. If he has a better quarterback in in future seasons he might he might have one or two more years where he's listed as like seven or six okay, and then drake london. He just outperformed his adp yep and kudos to him, kudos to chase, no kudos to uh jefferson or amon rock, as they did what they were supposed to do yeah but, and you know, dominate the upper part of the position and then chris alave he no pass.
Speaker 3:No, to be fair, that team is just a complete shambles. So maybe we should give him a pass. I, I don't know like. No because, like, because malik neighbors what he had thrown to him. So yeah, lave doesn't get a pass.
Speaker 2:He's not this level of wide receiver but chris alavi only played eight games too oh well, okay, I guess he does get a pass on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or I can't that?
Speaker 2:we'll work on that. But also, yeah, he only played eight games but he still did nothing. Yeah, in those eight games, chris Alave, if he can stay healthy and has a quarterback for once, he could possibly come back to being a top 15 wide receiver.
Speaker 3:Those are big ifs, but sure.
Speaker 2:Those are big ifs. To go back over the wide receiver ADP versus top 10. For ADP you had Tyreek Hill for single quarterback at 2.7, ceedee Lamb at 3.1,. Justice Jefferson at 4.9, jamar Chase at 5.6, amon Ross St Brown at 6.8, aj Brown at 9.1, garrett Wilson at 11.7, marvin Harrison Jr at 15.4, pukun Nkulu at 17.3, then your 10A, b and C 17.3. Then your 10 A, b and C Devontae Adams at 17.6. Drake London at 19.7. Chris Alavi at 23.4.
Speaker 2:Then for Superflex, tyree Kill at 5.1. Ceedee Lamb at 6.1. Justin Jefferson at 9.7. Jamar Chase at 10.5. Amon Rao St Brown at 11.1. Aj Brown at 15.2. Garrett Wilson at 20.5, marvin Harrison Jr at 23.1, puka Nakul at 17.7, devante Adams at 33.5, drake London at 31.6, chris Alave at 31.8. Then your top 10 Jamar Chase at1, justin Jefferson at 2, aminuron St Brown at 3, brian Brian Thomas Jr at four, drake London at five, malik Neighbors at six, terry McLaurin at seven, ceedee Lamb at eight, jackson Smith and Jigma at nine and Garrett Wilson to round it out, at 10. Thanks again for listening to the Fantasy Football Archivers, season three, episode three. My name is Zach Waldron, with your co-host Jay Mill.
Speaker 2:Hey hey, and thanks again.
Speaker 1:Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Football Archivers. You can listen to us on Spotify and Apple and follow us on X at the FF Archivers, and all of our information will be in the show notes.
