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The 3W Podcast: Rachel Bray
Dive into the fascinating world of professional hair care with veteran stylist Rachel Bray as she reveals the chemistry, artistry, and evolution of modern hair techniques. After 16 years behind the chair, Rachel breaks down what's really happening in those mysterious color bowls — explaining how toners (or "glosses" as she prefers to call them) aren't something to fear but rather the secret to achieving perfect color while adding shine and moisture to your hair.
The conversation takes fascinating turns through the evolution of extensions (now nearly undetectable when properly installed), the science of color protection (why purple shampoo works but shouldn't be overused), and the growing specialization within the industry. Rachel shares practical wisdom on everything from proper hot tool usage to post-swim hair protection. Whether you're considering extensions, contemplating a color change, or just curious about what's happening behind the scenes at your salon, this episode delivers insider knowledge that will transform how you think about your hair journey. Follow Rachel on Instagram @hairbyrachelbray for more inspiration and to book your next transformation.
Hey everyone, welcome to the 3W podcast. So glad you all are here. Today is kind of a unique fun one, uniquely fun one. I'm not sure. I probably just butchered that all the way around. It's totally fine. Anyways, we're not going to do anything professional today Like any non-profit stuff. We might touch on that a little bit, but no legit business stuff. We are going to talk all things hair and that is so fun for me. So help me welcome my dear friend Rachel Bray Hi.
Speaker 2:How are you today? I know we got a whole bunch of cameras, don't?
Speaker 1:we.
Speaker 3:You're like just cover them all. Right, I got this. There, you guys go.
Speaker 1:This is my good friend Rachel. She does my hair. She's done my hair for like a handful of years now.
Speaker 3:I feel like it's almost been like four or so years, I think we're like post-COVID I know.
Speaker 1:Which is good right, I know I live my life by COVID.
Speaker 3:Isn't that crazy how it's turned into that.
Speaker 1:Yeah so yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so welcome to Rachel. Rachel, thank you for joining me. I really appreciate it. This is going to be a fun one. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2:Like I was telling you off camera like I didn't bring notes.
Speaker 1:I've never not walked in with notes and I literally always have my glasses, but I don't have to have notes with you because it's just fun hair stuff.
Speaker 3:No, and I love that, that we can talk freely and have a good like girl session and everybody on like all the do's and don'ts of hair and all the fun things.
Speaker 1:So let's dive in. Tell us about you, tell us about your hair background.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I have been doing hair for about 16 years now, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:I've almost had the well, there were two of us, Now there's just one. But so I'll still say we we have had the magazine almost that or a little bit longer, not much.
Speaker 3:So we're kind of the same Right, and it's just crazy how time flies by, cause you remember when you're like babies doing it, and and then now we're pros at it, it's weird, it's. Yes, it is it is so weird, um, and so it is so weird, and so I actually went to hair school in Colorado, in Denver, at the Veda Institute in Denver, which I absolutely loved.
Speaker 1:You love the mountains. I do. I do know that You're a travel person, but I do know you love the mountains.
Speaker 3:It's just great. It's breathtaking like looking at all the mountains and the sunsets and just all the different seasons. You get there too as well, and then I grew up here.
Speaker 1:And so after I— yes.
Speaker 3:A Rogers local. I am a Rogers, graduated in 2004 from the Mounties, when there was just one school back then.
Speaker 1:Okay, so go Mounties. I'm like you were downtown, so I wasn't sure if I should say Heritage or Mounties.
Speaker 3:I know You're blue, you're a Mountie Got it heritage or Mounties. I know, blue, your bounty got it. Okay. We were only one back, okay, and then moved back here after working in Boulder for about a year doing an apprenticeship out there for hair, and I've been back here doing here ever since. I absolutely love it. Do you miss?
Speaker 1:Colorado. Ever I do, I get out there quite a bit like.
Speaker 3:I guess, but this is so. I feel like this is nice and stuff and it gives me a reason to go back to visit. Absolutely yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so 16 years in the hair business? Yes, what is the wildest thing you saw 16 years ago?
Speaker 3:What was the most?
Speaker 1:requested. Weird off the. I mean, you're not a child of the 80s, which I just saw, pretty in Pink a couple weeks ago and I was like, oh, it's such a good movie. The hair in that movie is so amazing.
Speaker 3:I love Molly Ringwald too. She was just the best, yes.
Speaker 1:So I'm like what's the most bizarre thing? You were asked year one, do you think?
Speaker 3:You know, it's just crazy to me because I feel like every year or since then, everything's changed so much with doing hair, because usually it was the big chunky oh the chunky, yes, yes, that was super in. We're almost like there was just a big space and you wanted the blonde, and also back then, toning hair was not as huge.
Speaker 1:See, and you tone hair, you say I'm going to put a toner on all the time and I have no idea what that means still.
Speaker 3:Yes, and I like to call it a gloss, because I think toning can really kind of make some people nervous sometimes just because people have had bad experiences.
Speaker 1:But honestly, embrace the tone guys, I'm like it's a good thing, yes, it's a good thing it is.
Speaker 3:It's a good thing because it helps the stylist get the exact shade of blonde, brunettes, caramels that you guys all desire. It adds shine to the hair and moisturizes the hair. Toning and gloss are absolutely a good thing, and we can change it too. There's like hundreds of different colors. Well, you all are like also a chemist.
Speaker 1:I feel like yes. So I feel like your education doesn't do it justice. You should be like I'm actually a hair chemist.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know that's what your title should be. I know there's just so much that you guys do not see that's behind the scenes that we see.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I prefer it that way because I'm like I think it's scary what you're squeezing into those bowls.
Speaker 2:I it's scary what you're squeezing into those bowls.
Speaker 1:I'm like that's blue, oh, that's purple, oh, oh, and then it's like magic.
Speaker 3:I know, and sometimes those colors, depending on what line you have, can make it look like something super scary to the client. You're like why is?
Speaker 2:she putting green on my hair. It's so scary.
Speaker 3:Yes, and you're like I'm not putting green Even if it has those tones.
Speaker 1:if you think about the color wheel green cancels out red. Okay, so you're neutralizing colors. Okay, gotcha, so that's no, I don't think that way at all well, no, of course I mean, like you would not.
Speaker 3:I'm not a good chemist, I know, and then it takes, you know, like when you're a baby stylist, like it's one of those things too you have to trust the process and so, after seeing it throughout the years, like the process works, and so that's why toning is in, glossing is amazing what did you think of the very first non related, non friend?
Speaker 3:never known the person sitting in your chair you know, it's one of those things where you're super excited but nervous at the same time and you don't want to mess up like it's like one of those things. So you take your time. So I remember my first year We'll shoot in your chair forever, forever On accident.
Speaker 3:And then the best thing is, thank goodness it's at school, because that's when, oh right, like the patience, and then I can go pull a teacher to help me, and it's like like, but I feel like the first haircut was like three hours long. Now it's like 45 minutes to an hour, with like start to finish. So I mean, they were patient so and they were good sports about it, so that's all that matters.
Speaker 1:They knew what they were walking into, but still were you like, oh, oh yeah, because you had to like sit there and like, okay, I got this.
Speaker 1:Now you bring the hair down and then you're like you're robbing the teacher just to make sure, because you just want to do everything perfect because, you know, like what you do is serious and so I've already told you like it's mad respect for the chemistry in the bowl, but also just for the scissors or the buzzer, or that's not what they're called, but that's what I call them because I borrowed some buzzers during during COVID to attempt to pretend to cut my son's hair.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was real special. I quit real fast. I think he ended up with a bowl cut until things opened up. I was like I'm really sorry. I was like it's totally fine. I was like I meant to do that.
Speaker 3:Well, you know what, though? I think people got really creative during that time and think that watching videos and you seeing it, it does look, it makes it look easy, then absolutely, but every second you push power and you're like, you're like, oh, that went so much quicker than I anticipated. Oh, I know, so that's it's always. I tell people I'm like, you know, like sometimes it's nice to leave some things to the professionals 100%.
Speaker 3:You all are owed everything that you get, but we've all tried it at some point. We've all tried the box color, which I please do not, I never have.
Speaker 1:I never have. I will say that I'm proud of you.
Speaker 3:I'm proud of you. I mean, I remember whenever I was in college like throwing box color on my hair because my friends were like this is what we need this do. This is what we do yes, and going to the hairstylist and getting it corrected, because then it always comes out too dark. It comes out, you know, like just all different, not the shade that you want it to be, and having my stylist fix it. Now, being a stylist, I was like I can't believe I did that to my stylist.
Speaker 1:You know, like it's just, but the commercials make it look so easy and amazing, of course, so I was all in. But even though I could never commit, I was all in on the commercial. Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then you have, like the beautiful actress. Oh yeah, those locks are so shiny, I know, and they're like we use this all the time and I'm like I was like, yeah, they might say that, but I really feel like they have a whole team behind there. But you know, but I understand people. Sometimes you have to try it, sometimes once, just to how many times?
Speaker 3:did you do it? I think I only did it like once or twice and I remember I went from like a blonde to like a wanted to be brown oh, and it was just too dark. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And I remember like no, but like I liked it, because I think I didn't want to admit that I messed up for sure like I love my morticia, hair, yeah, but when my mom was like, hey, I'll pay for you to get your hair done.
Speaker 3:When I came back to visit, I was like, okay, I did not deny it, so okay, a change might be good.
Speaker 1:Back, it's fine. Yes, yes, that's hilarious. Okay, so what have we seen in the what 16, 17? What'd you say? 16 years? Yes, Okay. What's the biggest change you've seen in 16 years?
Speaker 3:And you know what, though? I think that color and everything has advanced.
Speaker 1:And even from like color to hair extensions and every like way that we cut hair has changed dramatically.
Speaker 3:It's changed from the day you got your education to what you do today? Yes, and that's why, like I, am a big, big believer in doing continuous education, because you're always traveling to a fun place. Oh, I love to learn more yes, and because, like, there's so many things that we can always keep learning, and one thing that somebody always told me is once you think you know everything in our career, it's time to get out, because that's not true Okay that makes sense.
Speaker 3:And to me I might know 98% of the stuff that I go to the class, but then I'll come back with that 2% extra knowledge and then I apply it to my clients and it's just crazy how more seamless the color and the haircuts okay become. So that's awesome. No, and it's great too, because then you can also network and be other stylists like all over when you go to these classes around the country, do you see people you know? You know honestly, like, unless, like we plan it in advance.
Speaker 3:I do not. Usually there's like I've gone to classes from New York to Nashville to Austin, just like all over, and I meet all different types of people and how I usually find the style or the class I'm going to is I follow a bunch, is I follow a bunch of influencers like on, like social media, and they're usually the ones that you guys also see, like on Pinterest, the hair that you guys are oh, I'm always walking in. I'm like.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is what we're going for. Something like this yes.
Speaker 3:And that is great, because that's what I feel like every client should bring to their hairstylist is kind of like a photo to show them an inspiration of what they're wanting to achieve for their hair, because, yes, you might not get that exact look that day, but then we can go over the process of how to get you there Absolutely. And also it kind of just gives us a goal for everybody to be on the same page, because when you come in you might say like I want golden tones.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I'm talking about. You know what we don't know?
Speaker 3:The goal to me could be something different than to you, absolutely. And so I sit there and do it and you might come out and you're like oh my gosh, rachel, now I have red hair. So photos are a huge to me like deal-breaker, just so that we're all on the same page and there's less error.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so let's go over that. What are your tips for the people like me walking into you?
Speaker 3:So what I would do to prepare for your hair appointment is, again, go on Pinterest, kind of have an idea like what you're wanting to do. I always say not to bring just one photo, to bring a few, just kind of like in that same collection of what you're wanting. So that way I can, we can, the stylist that you're seeing can look at them and be like you know what I love these, but this is more achievable today. But let's, this is going to take you three sessions to get here. So that way too, and also be kind of remember patience too, because sometimes we all want it to happen that day, oh for sure.
Speaker 1:And we're the most impatient people and the phones I have pretend self-diagnosed ADHD and if a reel or something is longer than a few seconds, I'm like ugh, just throw the ingredients in.
Speaker 2:Like you lost me.
Speaker 1:So patience is still a virtue.
Speaker 3:It is, and you have to be patient. You have to sit there and know that every single time that you go in, especially with a different like goal of a like a hair color, that it it's a process sometimes that you might be having to come in at like every six weeks, and I like to do it like between six to seven weeks if you're going lighter, just so that way too it gives your hair a break to keep going lighter, because we don't know, especially if it's the first time sitting in somebody's chair and you're going to a different color, I don't know how your hair's gonna lift and everybody's different.
Speaker 1:Oh right, you've talked about this lifting before. Yes, because I'm so dark, so I have no idea mostly what you're talking about. When it comes to lifting and highlighting and and blondes and bleaching, because I'm like, oh, and I've been way too blonde before I will. I saw some pictures from I don't know four or five years ago and I was like, oh, my goodness, what was I thinking?
Speaker 3:I was so blonde. Gosh, I have to see you to show me those pictures. Oh, you would die and we did it together.
Speaker 1:And I remember sitting in the chair and I'm like I think I want to go blonder and you were like, uh-huh, right. I remember the conversation and praise Jesus that you steered me in the nice way and the like okay, well, that's going to take time, let's do this in the nice way. And they're like okay, well, that's going to take time, let's do this, because eventually we definitely got off of that track, right.
Speaker 3:I don't know what I was thinking. Well, I think too it's kind of like your hairstyle. Like you know, of course, we always want to do what you want in the very end. So if you're like I, like I really want to go blonde, I might sit there and be like, okay, but let's try this first to see how you like it, because, because blondes are really upkeep, like you're going in a lot sooner in between, and also between complexions and different, just all different things. Yeah, I don't think I have that.
Speaker 1:I think it's great. I love those people that can just bounce from dark to light. I'm like wow, that's amazing. That's never been my jam, I know.
Speaker 3:I know, and that's the thing too, like again now my jam. I know, I know, and that's the thing too, like again when the now. I think that you see people when they go from blondes to brunettes again and doing the darker again, like with the glossing and then all that stuff, I'm like thank goodness, because it makes it so much easier to transition back and forth and back and forth, but again as going in with the newbie coming into, new hairstylist, we don't know what's on your hair, so no, so if you're going and doing that in other salons and jumping around, the process might take longer too to get to places.
Speaker 1:So have you ever done something? And you're like, oh god, like have you ever just like had that uh-oh moment?
Speaker 3:I think mainly when that happens, it's usually when the hair is unpredictable. So, like I could do this and I wouldn't say the same, but I could you know, between all the knowledge and the hair education that I've gone to, I'm gonna be like okay, well, this is the process that we should go and this is the direction. And there's either their hair is has like because even like with product that you use daily, and sometimes like that's like why it's great to use the prescription that this hairstyle is going to show you for the salon because, if you're using walmart product, which is great yeah, we love walmart.
Speaker 3:Yes, so when I say that walmart or drugstore or any of that type of product non-professional salon salon stuff which I don't know what's on it. So certain products right might build up on your hair and making it harder for me to saturate Right.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm thinking about when I ask that question is and again I'm making myself sound like all I do is watch TV. I love TV and really don't ever get to watch it, but I've walked through the room in the past couple of months and the TV's been on. Like I said, it was on Pretty in Pink, which I don't know why it would be on Pretty in Pink, because I have three boys, but maybe I did it. But Bride Wars do you remember that movie with Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway? And they get into an argument and Anne Hathaway puts something in the bowl of Kate Hudson's hair appointment without the stylist knowing, and they take the towel off and she has blue hair and I'm like that's, that's. Has anything drastic on accident happened like that? No, that's good See, come see Rachel.
Speaker 3:I mean like sometimes the toners, like if you've ever been to somebody and you go that blonde and it gets like that little like perfility oh yeah to it.
Speaker 3:I feel like that was a trend for a while too yeah, and that's like the thing is like, but now, like it's so much easier for us to like predict that that might happen again. Colors just came so much further than it did even like five, ten years ago, yes, and so like there's ways for me to like. Okay, like she's blonde, she must be more like that light, pretty, like ashy blonde, but not like the hues of, like like silver or anything okay, yeah, that's probably a super fine line, oh yeah, so like, so they have clear that you can add to these products.
Speaker 3:That kind of helps where we can watch it better. That's why, like whenever I'm doing blondes, like I'm sitting there at the shampoo bowl like watching every second. And I'm like, okay, this is the moment that it has to like be rinsed out. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's a whole lot more high-maintenance than my sessions with you.
Speaker 3:Oh. Because, ours are super chill, oh yes, Well, because the With yours, I know I need to keep it on longer so I can walk away and let you relax at the shampoo bowl and stuff for a moment.
Speaker 2:And let's be clear, we're not doing anything crazy.
Speaker 1:We're really just removing my tinsel for the most part and just adding a nice gloss on there to help keep the shine and everything, but nothing too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just taking out my tinsel and little sparkles. Yes, just a very low maintenance.
Speaker 1:But it's always beautiful. When you like, walk out and it's a fresh year. All due to you, not due to me. Um, so perms are a big deal with little boys right now. Yes, when's the last time you did?
Speaker 3:a perm. Okay, so I'm not. I'm going to be quite transparent. I'm not the big perm person.
Speaker 1:Right, I feel like stylists either are they're like I will do them, or they don't.
Speaker 3:There's no fine line, and I'm that person too that I will tell like, if I'm not comfortable doing something, I am very straight with my clients. I'm like you know what, like that's not what I specialize in. And then I will recommend you to somebody. Because the worst. Do you have a perm person? No, I need to look more into my perm people.
Speaker 1:Has anyone asked you for a perm in the last five years?
Speaker 3:It's been a while. It was whenever the whole trend started, with the boys coming in and wanting to get the perm, because I just went down this road. Yes, my youngest.
Speaker 1:I saw you because where I go, or we haven't even talked about where you're located?
Speaker 3:Yes, but we will, but where you're located?
Speaker 1:there's quite a few stylists that do all kinds of things. Yes, and I ran into you because my youngest this is what I've been saying that you're having a boy.
Speaker 1:Bingo card Perm was never on that bingo card, so I guess you're pregnant and having a boy around Christmas or between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Maybe you should add that to yours right? Because I haven't been around a perm and over? I'm old, but over 35 years, and so when this conversation came up in May of like I want the fluffy hair, which God love him. He is so cute, but he has the most thick, straight hair and it just does absolutely nothing, regardless of how she cuts it and she tries so hard and he's like I want the fluffy hair. Okay, fine, we grow it out all summer. We make a commitment he has to pay for half of this perm and we get the perm and it falls out within a week because his hair is so straight and virgin hair. It's kind of what you were saying of like we don't know what's on it and we went back and she fixed it and he's cute and curly and it's fine. But I'm like this is just the weirdest world right now that we're perming boys' hair.
Speaker 3:It always reminds me of Lili Blonde, where she knows that the person didn't do it because she went to get a perm the day before.
Speaker 1:The trial. Yes, that's what that reminds me of.
Speaker 3:Because perms are just like there's so many layers. I mean, there's people that are just so good at it and they can do them super fast and they sit there and they're great and I'm like I feel like if I did them a lot, I would like them. But since I just only do I get asked for perms every once in a blue moon, I'm like I'd rather just send it to somebody that's like I will share the perm person with you.
Speaker 1:She's two doors down from you and she is so fast and I feel like if you can perm boys hair that's like an inch long you can do anyone's hair, and that's the thing is.
Speaker 3:She has to be patient, she has to know exactly how to do so more props to her, for doing that.
Speaker 1:It's kind of amazing, I know.
Speaker 3:I agree. I feel like everybody is tedious and has their certain ways of doing things, and so more power to her. And I would love to get her name, because I love referring people that like to do stuff to my client or to other clients with their kids or somebody so that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1:I never thought I'd have a perm person for my kids, because I only have boys. And now I have a perm person and I've shared her name multiple times. And I'm like oh, what is this 2025?
Speaker 3:we're living in and you know what, and I think I actually have a few clients that takes their children to the same program.
Speaker 1:A lot of people take their kids to those people, yes, and I have mentioned that to other clients that have kids.
Speaker 3:I'm like, okay, well, there's somebody down the hallway, I guess. It's weird.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's talk hair color. Let's let's talk fall. Yes, okay, and I play with mine a lot. Um, let's not my hair color, I play with the extensions that you put in. What is the biggest trend? We'll do colors and then cuts. What's the biggest trend for colors? For fall.
Speaker 3:So I'll do break it up into three different colors, because everybody right, everyone's different, so I'll do break it up into three different colors, because everybody has Right, everyone's different.
Speaker 1:So I feel like blondes.
Speaker 3:Blondes are always year-round things, so never think that just because it's fall that you have to all of a sudden be brunette, but then you can also change the shade of your blonde. So like a really pretty, like champagne blonde which is like a beige-y blonde, Okay, you know not as maybe as bright but you're still bright, but you're changing that.
Speaker 3:Would Barbie be bright? Barbie is definitely bright. She's got beautiful platinum, got it Okay. But like, think about, like Margot Robbie or something like that. Okay, that really just champagne. Like has a little bit more of a dimensional blonde too in there as well. For brunettes, I feel like sometimes like there's two different ways. Like you'll see more of like a like what they call like a mushroom brown, which is more of like a smoky brunette. Okay, I don't feel like we've gone that direction.
Speaker 3:For me, no right well, not really no okay and that's gonna be more like a matte brunette. So you're gonna have more of like that smokier undertones, and then you can still add like a caramelly color to it as well to kind of give it dimension.
Speaker 1:I feel like we've done that word before.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, and then it's also like too, with brunettes. I feel like more like the lived-in colors are really really nice for you guys, just because you do the color melting and when it grows out it's seamless and you're not feeling there's like these, like stripes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love the melting, yes, the stripes. Remember when the what do we call that Ombre? Yes, years ago, several, not years ago, but less than five, I feel like it was that it was like real dark and then it would lighten up a lot at the ends and I'm like I'm sure I had that, but it was real drastic. I remember that.
Speaker 3:Now it's more of like a softer like and we can bring the highlights and the baby lights more to the actual hairline and then like sometimes I'll do like even two to three different colors, where I'll start off with a deeper color, go a little bit lighter on each little section of the hair and it just helps give you that dimension so it doesn't feel as flat. I also you're gonna see reds right now so you can do more like that. Apricots. I see a lot of my blondes. I've had a few that have gone more to that really pretty apricot.
Speaker 3:And then you can do a little bit deeper and do more like that penny copper.
Speaker 2:I love those colors.
Speaker 3:Yes yes, like a penny copper red too so those are kind of the three different trends that you'll be seeing, depending on what you're wanting like, if you're a brunette, a blonde, or if you kind of want to just like branch out, do something different. Do you like to go all in with the reds? And the reds are really beautiful, but they're a little bit more upkeep too. Reds are really beautiful, but they're a little bit more upkeep too. Reds are, yes, because red color fades the fastest. Okay, it's just the molecules of reds are bigger than others. Okay, so sometimes it's more like you're going to need a little bit more maintenance, like at home, like get like a conditioner that might have like a little bit of a coppery hue in it, so it's just kind of like that, maintaining it too, so your conditioner can actually help keep like it's colored in the bottle too. Yes, so they'll have like different colors. So if you think like blonde, sometimes with brassiness- we'll recommend a purple, purple yes, I've seen this.
Speaker 3:And then, like I always tell people, purple shampoos are great to use every two to three washes because you don't want to overuse it, because then it's like you're taking that purple and it's over purple, like toning the hair, and then it can make the hair too dark. It has the reverse effect. So you just kind of, but you want to start it right away so you're on top of everything, sue. So every third wash I usually tell people to kind of keep it in that rotation.
Speaker 1:I did have a conditioner, same line that you used, but from my previous hair person that had a toner in it and it was purple, so that's all I remember. That's my only experience with anything purple.
Speaker 3:Right, and that's one of those things and it just helps take the brassiness. So with all the yellows and oranges that might be underneath mainly yellows with the purple and then blue, would more like the oranges that will kind of like try to steer you to if you feel like that's how your hair interesting kind of fades too, because fake color does fade it just always what it is it will always fade.
Speaker 3:It's just with water using at home um sunlight, just like everyday use, and everybody has red undertones under the hair. Ashy undertones are never really under the pigments. So, that's why everything ends up being more on the warmer tones Interesting After a while.
Speaker 1:Okay, my youngest son plays tennis and I ran into his tennis coach like a month ago, okay, and his hair was light. Really, and I was like what, what happened to your hair? And he was like sun in really literally took. I didn't even know sun was still made, yes, and he went and bought a bottle before he went on a beach vacation. I'm like this is hilarious, because I had no idea that still existed.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, we live in sun, and didn't it? Oh, I loved sun and baby oil. It's really unfortunate.
Speaker 1:The night is like please don't say that, but I did and she knows it and we're dealing with it now.
Speaker 2:We have really advanced throughout the years. We're much healthier people.
Speaker 1:You're raising a little girl Kennedy, Hold on, don't tell me 11, 12. 12.
Speaker 2:Yes, she's 12.
Speaker 1:And that's what they're into, because that's what the influencers are doing are the regimens and the Sephora's and it's all they are it's probably a deterrent somewhat, because they have such great skin at this age, you're like don't mess with it just yet. No, but it's setting the the path for great things ahead. I feel like there's I much less than my makeup along a lot and, oh my gosh, noxema and some kind of crazy pad that, I'm sure, stripped everything good oh yeah, we're just.
Speaker 3:I feel like seeing how we lived nap then we were just so we didn't know no, we did not know and we would just go grab again like the Sun and if we wanted to go on the sun and the box, like what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:And I remember like the sun went to her hair yellow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I thought it was great.
Speaker 3:Because I think it has like peroxide or something that's in there. That's like helping lift it in the sun, you know so. But and now they like, they have these tutorials like that they follow.
Speaker 2:So great, yes, Like on, like, so, like all these, yeah, all the steps.
Speaker 1:I don't even have those steps I was like at 12,.
Speaker 3:she could probably do my makeup, oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:Better than I could do it. Absolutely Ever. Yes, I don't love that skill either. I am no, I don't comprehend all the steps, that's just. I only have two brushes, even in my makeup, because I'm like I can't, I can't, I can't work this. I'm not trained, I don't have that skill. I need that too. You're professional, so it's fine. Okay, cuts, all right. Okay cuts, yes, are cuts even a trend?
Speaker 3:They are and like right now, I feel like so.
Speaker 1:I actually. You always want what you don't have.
Speaker 3:Right, right and that is so true Like I mean I'll have people come in that the curly-haired girls like want straight hair.
Speaker 1:Do we still straighten people's hair? I remember what early 2000s it was, the. Am I butchering it Like a Brazilian blowout or something like that? That would like chemically straighten it?
Speaker 3:So some I don't do those as often anymore, but the great thing about those are is they're not as intense as an actual like straightener, so they can still do it and then still get their. Like a straightener Like a hair straightener Like a relaxer, I guess.
Speaker 1:Oh, like a chemical. I'm sorry, I thought you meant like a plug-in straightener.
Speaker 3:That's true too, but also with the keratin treatments and the Brazilian blowouts, what it's going to do is still allow them to get their curly hair. But it's going to do is still allow them to get their curly hair, but it's going to make it easier for them to blow, dry it straight and reduce the frizz to the hair as well.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah. So you'll see those kind of like go in waves and usually during the summertime, when the humidity comes out, you'll see people get more of that because it does reduce the frizz with the hair.
Speaker 1:Okay, when's the last time you did one? It's probably been about like six months or so. Oh, wow, within a year, yeah, so I don't do them as often. Interesting.
Speaker 3:But it's great and there's express ones that were they, because they do wash out of the hair, so they're not going to be a permanent thing. So when your hair grows out you're not going to have like, oh my gosh, like I have, this is super curly.
Speaker 1:And then this is like all straight.
Speaker 3:So, so, which is nice as well oh, that would be hilarious. I know I'm like, and that's what sometimes relaxers can do. So that's why you see people that get the relaxers on a normal basis like have to come in and get touch-ups or, if they choose to take a break from them, it's going to be again like a commitment. Kind of like when people go from wanting to be doing coloring their hair and turning to embracing the silver and the gray blending too, we should touch on that at some point.
Speaker 1:Yes, but yeah, I was looking at Instagram and I saw a picture of that. Julianne Hough yes, and I'm like her hair is like super short. It's so cute on her.
Speaker 3:She's nice.
Speaker 1:Or like somebody, Leslie Bibbers I'm probably butchering her name. She was in I don't know that show that took place on some island on HBO that everybody was obsessed with. It stays at a hotel or something and I know exactly what you're talking about and people maybe die.
Speaker 1:And I think she has like a bob and I guess bobs were all the rage maybe in the spring, summer, and I'm like do people still come in and be like I want? So I guess you've got to have long hair, but I want a bob, I want to.
Speaker 3:I don't even know what cuts are, I do I have a lot of people that will want, um, because it gives it more like that bluntness and we do like some texture and it just helps give the hair a little bit more like that easy style for them to go out Usually like. Right now I feel like I've had a few clients that have been asking for that because in the summertime they like to keep their hair a little bit longer because then they can throw it up A ponytail.
Speaker 2:okay, and it's, you know so it's so humid, gotcha.
Speaker 3:Then once the fall hits, it's a little bit. They're like okay, like I don't mind keeping it down more, okay, so I do have that. I feel like you'll see, like bangs, kind of like how I have right here oh my bangs.
Speaker 1:Bangs are kind of and you go back and forth on bangs. Your hair grows so fast. You're like I just chopped bangs today, right. And then like I feel like another couple appointments and you're like I don't have bangs anymore and I'm like right, it's like I'm a kid of the 80s with the like oh my god, those bangs were so tragic. It's like real high right here, and then we fluff it over and tease it and you it was just.
Speaker 3:I feel like it's like the 60s and 70s bangs more like the nice like oh, the nice feathery like fair faucet. Yeah, and I like it too, because when you throw your hair up kind of like how I have it today, yes, you have stuff around the face, yes, and it also makes it look more put together, like whenever I kind of do something. That's, I totally agree, because when I wear a hat, I pull.
Speaker 1:I don't have bangs but I pull my hair out, so it's not like straight back, right, but but I'm like, I don't think.
Speaker 3:I think my youth of the 80s traumatized me from ever cutting bangs again I know and I feel like what was it? Was it the Aqua?
Speaker 1:Aqua Net. Yes, yeah, all of that, this hot pink bottle. Just spray that in there and push it up.
Speaker 3:I know it's just it's crazy how everything has again just evolved. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think everything, everything like, is now more like softer. Totally agree. Looks, yes. What do you think on parts?
Speaker 3:because bangs have a big deal to do with parts. So I feel like to me, like I go from middle to side, like I'm always changing up because it was like, oh, if you had a side part and then you're like 9 000 years old.
Speaker 3:I know we were like we are like the old moms, that and I was like, but I'm like I old moms, yes, and I was like, but I'm like. I like my side part sometimes because I feel like it gives it a little bit more volume, depending on what you're looking for. But I also love the middle part because it kind of just gives it that nice, like soft, like I'm flowing back type of hairstyle as well. So I feel like you, it really just depends on the person and the preference and everybody's head shape is different and everybody's head shape is different everybody. So each part is going to come into play with the style of the hair and what is best suited for your face shape as well too.
Speaker 1:Okay so extensions? Yes, massively hot they are, but they've been hot for years. But I feel like it's kind of next level and I, you gosh, I don't even remember these interns. They're probably in um gosh, I don't even remember these interns. They're probably in their thirties now or I don't even know, but we're low thirties or maybe high twenties and they're like, oh, my God, my hair's not real. I'm like these kids would come in and work for us. They just have the most amazing locks. And I'm like, oh, and then they finally confessed and I was like, wow, I was shocked Right?
Speaker 3:Yes, they had. Like I remember when I first started 16 years ago getting extensions in my hair and I was like this is the worst thing ever.
Speaker 1:There were so many techniques like tape in and glue in and I don't even know, or like massive beads, like a reggae bead or something hanging out, and I'm like what's going on it?
Speaker 3:was just like. I feel like it was just a little more high maintenance there. You saw more back then like breakage again. Extensions like I have. I've come such a long way where they're flawless in the hair like you can't even tell that somebody has them in the hair majority of the time, and so did you learn them in school, um or did you have to go to all the continuing ed classes?
Speaker 3:education classes. So I've been to a few for extensions and I have learned different techniques for different types of extensions for different hairs, um, and each person depending on their lifestyle. So the wefts might not be the best like might be the best for somebody. So the wefts might not be the best like might be, the best for somebody.
Speaker 3:So the wefts is like when it is all like a long okay hair and we usually layer those hair and then we'll put them around the crown like this, and then we'll usually beat them in and then sew them in, okay, and then it just kind of and I like it, cuz it's kind of like evenly distributed on your head- so whenever it grows out, you're not really going to see any.
Speaker 1:You don't see breakage like you used to right with I did come across a tragic looking photo on social I don't even know how or why I'm sure a ton are going to pop up now, because my phone will hear us and it was like the hair and then the grow out and it was just it's just a rat's hair. And then the grow out and it was just it was just a rat's nest. And then the extension was smooth Right, and I was like, oh, my heavens, what is happening to this person's hair? And that's the thing is.
Speaker 3:it's like whenever you come in to get your consultation and then also whenever we're talking about extensions and we're putting them in your hair, we'll go over the maintenance of it. And so it's really like, as long as the client listens and we, those like little steps, will help prevent those, because basically what's going on there is, they're not there's, they're not brushing out properly in between those extensions.
Speaker 1:It's so scary because I felt like once those extensions came out, their little hairs were going to be this long and just broken off and that's the reason why it's really nice to either use a boar bristle brush to kind of help come out those extensions in between and a wet brush also helps.
Speaker 3:And sometimes everybody's hair is different. So sometimes one person might only have to brush it once a day and somebody might be like my hair just is like that fine hair that if I just kind of like move my head oh yeah, I have super thin, fine hair yes, that it just gets tingly. So you might have to brush it like twice a day just with the extensions to keep your natural hair healthy as well and stuff.
Speaker 1:So there's a million brands and a million techniques. Yes, so what's your? So you like a weft, are they called weft, left, weft, so wefts. I like the wefts Across the board, but that's not a brand, that's just a, that's the technique.
Speaker 3:A technique, well, I guess it's the kind of hair or the way it's on the, but it's um hand tight extensions is what I would call them, and so, and you'll see that that's really popular right now are the hand tight extensions, because they're really also nice to like, help blend and custom color and match to each client's hair and so is there a brand you love the most, or does it matter?
Speaker 3:I like different ones, like harper ellis, like that's one of the first ones that I actually dove into and they're actually out of Fort Smith, so they're more local.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's close and easy, yes, but they've also.
Speaker 3:They've come all over the country. People will use that method as.
Speaker 1:And they're based out of Fort Smith. Yes, that's where it started. Yes, oh, that's wild, isn't?
Speaker 2:that crazy? No, I had no idea.
Speaker 3:I know, oh, my Good for them. I know, isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like people travel around the country to go to their continuing ed things and I just assumed it was around the country, not just down the road. Oh yes, and there's like different types of ones, but that's like a big Absolutely, so can you color them?
Speaker 3:You can. Okay, but but there's a caveat to that. So you can't go lighter with them Okay. You can always go dark with them or refresh the color Okay, and the usually the extensions that I use. I feel like the hair quality is one of the big things that you have to look for.
Speaker 1:Is it?
Speaker 3:real real hair, 100 real hair. The extensions that I invest in for my clients are going to last at least a year with the client, as long as they're maintaining it and kind of, like, you know, doing the conditioning at home and kind of helping with the steep um, the heat products and, and which is great, because then once a year you're just gonna have to replace that hair what is it?
Speaker 1:what do they look like at the end of that one, your mark? I don't know why I sound like I smoke a hundred packs of cigarettes but we've been talking a lot sorry sorry to everybody. Um yeah, what is that one year mark look like like what's. Can you tell? Or I know you can tell. Let me rephrase that Can the person wearing them tell to the naked eye?
Speaker 3:I think what you know, just like any hair, like when you have long hair, after a while the ends are not I mean like we're going to keep, you're going to have breakage, just like normal, because it's real hair Like a split end type thing, yeah, like so when I say that, like you're, it's not going to be as full the color is going to. You know, even though we refresh it, if you look at like when you first got it, just because of everyday wear, the color is not going to be exactly the same.
Speaker 1:No, not one part of me would think that way.
Speaker 3:And then, if we got like 20 inches and it's like I mean, this is just me eyeballing and it's like this much like, then at the end of the year it might be this much. So when you get a whole new hair set in like, you're going to feel like, oh my gosh, this is longer, even though it's the same, just because gradually, over time, it's going to move up.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never thought about it like that. Yeah, okay, so you can go darker, not lighter.
Speaker 3:I knew, there was something. Yes, because it's just trickier, like again, and you also don't want. You want to keep that you invested in that hair so you want to keep it nice and like healthy and get the longevity you like it, get your wear out of it. Yes, so again, like going lighter, just like how if I want my hair, that hair might get more damaged easier right so you're not gonna get the whole year out of it, okay so do you have yours in right now you what not today?
Speaker 1:I don't okay, I usually do have some in. Yeah, you kind of, you can go back and forth.
Speaker 3:I know I just awesome, I do and that's what I like about it is that you can keep them in for like long periods of time and then, like we can also take them out. You know we can save them. Then you can pull them back in. So that's the great thing. It's like. It's an easy, like six month commitment. I'm to take a month off and then bring them back in, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I've enjoyed them. I think they're so fun. But I mean I will say I treat them like gold.
Speaker 1:Yes, and inevitably I'm in there seeing you. But I'm like, at least you're so nice about it, you are so nice and welcoming about it, because I'm like, inevitably they take some getting used to they. Because I'm like, inevitably they take some getting used to they do and you wear well, I wear glasses and sunglasses, and so I do this and I'm like, oh, you can't do that. You can't do that, it's going to flip out on you.
Speaker 3:You just have to get used to it. So you just kind of have to realize like sometimes, or like adjust to, okay, put them on my head, like my sunglasses, so maybe I just need to bring them up a little bit and then put them on.
Speaker 1:So what's the most levels of wefts you've put in somebody? Has anyone come in with an absurd request?
Speaker 3:I usually do two rows at the most and each row I can do up to usually around six wefts. So that's the thickness. So the wefts are the thickness of it. Oh, rows are the actual how many I?
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I'm thinking one, two, three, no, okay, so it'll be two rows.
Speaker 3:So just like, and usually I'll do something like around here and around here, okay, and then like I'll make sure you know like, let's say, like somebody doesn't have as much hair right here I'm gonna bring them back a little bit further, so that way they're a little bit more hidden, okay, so as well. So yeah, because I was again.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna just lazy myself Again. I was watching TV and the America Sweethearts on the DCC cheerleaders. It was like makeover day and it. They add extensions to all of them and change all their hair colors and whatnot. And this one girl hair color similar to mine got them like right up here and down and down and I'm like, whew, her head must be so heavy, is what I was thinking. I was like, wow, that's, I can't imagine having a row way up here, not in a negative or bad way, I just I don't usually go that far and that's the thing is like.
Speaker 3:Every technique is different. And talk to your hairstylist if they're, if they're putting it in a position to you. Yes, to me, if they're paying it in the area that is, like this is doesn't feel right, like it's pulling, like it can always be resituated, it doesn't. That's not permanently there. And I'm that person that says like, like. I feel like when you invest in extensions, like I'm there for you just as much because, again, like they, you are they're a little percent yes, because I mean like they are, they're low maintenance and hype like they're in their maintenance at the same time.
Speaker 3:so I like to be real with my clients, like I wanna say that I might never see you in between, but you might have an issue and you might wanna come and talk to me about it. It's a 10 minute fix. Yeah, it's like a 10 minutes, like we're in there, we talk about it and we're like, okay, this is what needs to be done.
Speaker 1:Right. Because it's not permanently attached to your hair Right and you gave grace. You gave so much grace this summer because you feel like people are sweatier in the summer.
Speaker 3:They're sweatier.
Speaker 1:I mean, I go to work out four days a week in the morning, good for you, and so well, no, I really don't say that, but I am really proud of myself because I'm not one that way in the slightest. But I'm paying for it. I got bullied into it and I don't want to quit it, because then if I quit it and I go back, then the price like double.
Speaker 1:So I'm like no, I'm walked in at my grandfathered rate, so I can't just quit quit. Good for you, but um, I'm proud but I'm like it's pulled back every morning at 5 am and I know it's a little slick and I'm here like it's okay, oh, I feel'm like. Oh, I feel so bad because I'm like you don't want to pull my hair back Right, and I don't want to be slick and coming in to see you. But you give a lot of grace for that and I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause I just I feel like I would want to be treated the same way, and so I look at that to me, because you know it's all about customers.
Speaker 1:It is, it really is, it really is.
Speaker 3:And the thing is, it's like I've been there before too.
Speaker 1:So I know how it is, yes, so.
Speaker 3:I mean because I mean it's happened to me with my own extensions, right, so Okay.
Speaker 1:So I had a girlfriend because my hair doesn't grow right now. I back a lot because I don't personally think I look good with short hair. It just does not, and I don't have the cute thick short hair. So that's why I'm real happy with these. But my girlfriend was like you gotta quit pulling it back in a ponytail, that's why it won't grow.
Speaker 3:I think that.
Speaker 3:no, and yeah, I mean like I think that sometimes if people and pre-extension me Right, obviously yeah yeah, if you're putting it on too tight and you're ripping out that ponytail holder, you might have breakage again. It's all about to like, I feel like if you're using more like the softer, like ponytail holders, yes, too, that's going to help. Yeah, it's right here. Yes, like those, that's perfect. So I don't. I think some of it has a little bit of truth. So it really just depends on how you're pulling it back, gotcha, but I think that mainly like as long as you're pulling it back and you're not like ratting up your hair, and then it's like this huge, like you know, and you're ripping out your hair while you're taking it out, but I think that's more like you see that more with like younger right, you know girls that are that are still figuring out any guidance on how to upkeep with their hair yes, so.
Speaker 1:So let's talk styling tools. Yes, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3:I love a curling iron like and. I like. I think it's like one and three quarters is usually kind of like what I go for, okay.
Speaker 1:Are you into all these wrappy things with this air, all this like oh look, my curling iron turns into a hair dryer and a lightsaber, and it's so next level.
Speaker 3:So I do. The only one that I actually really, really like, too, is, like the round brush blow dryer oh.
Speaker 1:I don't own that, but I've thought about purchasing that I like that.
Speaker 3:But the key to that is, again, like, your hair needs to be about 80% dry before it touches oh no, kidding your hair, because first of all, you're at like, so just like power, dry it and that's more to kind of give it like the finishing look. You're going to make way more work for yourself whenever you're doing this and then, plus, you're putting that direct heat right there on your hair okay about it because it's like like your hair is laying on right that heat yes so when you're doing that the whole time, it can cause damage, damage to your hair.
Speaker 3:Okay, and then also make sure to use like a nice, like heat protectant, like I really like, the Unite U Oil and they also have, I mean, I like, I really like too it's their 7 Seconds, which is like a leave-in conditioner that adds protein to the hair moisturizer and it has a little bit of heat protectant, and it protects the hair from UV sunlight too as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, because you have to protect well A your hair. But then I saw somebody do a video of protecting their extensions from the UVs.
Speaker 3:And I was like oh, I never would have thought about that, but I did have it just I went to the beach at the beginning of July or August and I just would turn it up in a bun and I'm like I don't Bun hats are great too in the summertime, with extensions and just hair color in general, Just because if you're out on the boat a lot swimming, if you have kids that are in sports, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I was in a hat all weekend, yeah hats to me helps preserve the hair color Okay and keep it long and not have it fade more to reds, because I do feel like in the summertime I'll see more clients like my hair turned a lot redder faster.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I have red.
Speaker 3:Yes, and it's just because you're in that direct sunlight a lot more, and then fall and winter, like, if you think about it like you're not, you're inside, you're in this, so the color's going to last a lot longer too.
Speaker 1:I never thought about it like that, but I'm like, yes, I look like mortician. I'm like dang it, but I love a good suntan. So, yeah, I'm totally down with that. Okay, updos, do people call you for updos?
Speaker 3:You know I don't get them as much as I used to Like. I used to be really into doing like prom and wedding hair. That's a special skill set, by the way it is, and I ended up taking a step back from that and just more specializing on hair color, hair extensions, like women's haircuts. So that's mainly like what I focus on and again, so usually with updos, I'll do it for my clients.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:But or if, like one of my clients is like, hey, my really good friend's daughter, yes, and I happen to have a spot, like I will, I'll work them in. But usually Is it stressful, it's, you know, I feel like in the big yes and no, I feel like it's one of those things where, again, photos go a long way and then just kind of like it's like a puzzle piece to me. Like you know, kind of like it's like a puzzle piece to me, oh yeah, kind of like a fit, like okay, were you taught that in school A little bit Really.
Speaker 3:It was more like once I got out of hair school, like back whenever I first got out of hair school. We weren't allowed to specialize, like you know, in places.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we had to say you had to know it all, we had to know it all.
Speaker 3:We had to know it all. We had to say yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Like now, like girls coming out of hair school and guys coming out of hair school, they can be like you know what I want to specialize in blondes. Yes, you're going to take other things, but you can pick a track in hair school. Now, kind of I feel like they can kind of start going that direction. Okay, um with it, like, yes, they're gonna have to do all of it and learn every method, like all the different techniques in hair school, but like coming out of it, I think the salons are a little bit more open-minded to being like okay, like they do not like doing this hair cut and every now and then, yes, you're gonna have to do one, but you know, now there's barbers also a special skill or kids are a special skill like yes, there's so many facets to going to hair school.
Speaker 3:There are coming out of hair school and barber school is also becoming a big deal that's separate. Oh yes, I mean, you learn men's haircuts, but there's an actual like school where it just focuses on men and like like. I think you'll see like the cave in different places like that.
Speaker 1:Yes, just play. Yes, yes, I was like that.
Speaker 2:I'll tell my clients who like, want these, like really sharp haircuts that are mints, because I don't do them every day like I do.
Speaker 3:I'm like go to them, go to them and then, they cater Like they do, like all the special little things and that's to me like, and I'm like, I like having what I specialize in my chair, because I'm going to cater to their needs more Wow.
Speaker 1:Okay, I never thought about the barbers having their own. I just never thought about it like that, right, and.
Speaker 3:I mean because I know, yeah, a handful of my close friends that went to hair school, some of them went to hair school and then they're like you know what? I'm going to have it back to barber school because I want to focus, yeah.
Speaker 1:I never, thought the straight blade so you don't cut their head off or their ears. Yeah, also important.
Speaker 3:So stuff like that they have to specialize in and get an actual license for that. Okay, interesting.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's talk about where you're at. Yes, so I met you in a salon in Rogers. Yes, but you have since branched out on your own.
Speaker 3:I have and I absolutely. Two years, yeah, two.
Speaker 2:Is it two?
Speaker 1:Yes, a little over two, I guess Like two and a half now, okay, which is crazy. Yeah, I feel like time just flies by. That's insane.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:So I'm actually located at a suite, which I love it. I mean, I love salons too, but I like it because I can just like control everything from aesthetics to more of like a one-on-one environment for my clients as well. Um, and I'm looking at my salon suite, which was, which is in Bentonville, just off Rainbow Curve, right off of Rainbow Curve, um, and I, I like it, and I like it because we each have our own little room, yes, which is great it is so great and that way too, like when somebody comes in and they want to like talk, like, let's say, they're having a rough day and they want to talk to me about it, I feel like it gives us more of that privacy.
Speaker 3:It does, uh, being able to talk freely and not think like, hey, like once, everyone can hear. Everybody can hear because you, just you never, know, you never know,
Speaker 1:and I've learned it's a really small community. You never know who you're sitting next to.
Speaker 3:You, don't and you never know who's listening, who isn't listening and I'm not, and so I like that in the sense, and then I also have like these cute boho curtains that if we want to, you want even more privacy so like, let's say you're an extension girl and you don't want anybody to know that you have extensions, we can pull those. I know I curls, I know I'm just out of myself today.
Speaker 1:I'm sure everyone already knew and I would tell anybody. I don't think anybody knew until now because they look flawless?
Speaker 3:Obviously yes.
Speaker 1:And I did curl them today. Oh, let's go back to that I was going to ask you what's your take on hot rollers. I like hot rollers. I mean because I'm old.
Speaker 3:I like them I think they're great.
Speaker 1:It's a different curl, so I do it a lot, but I did do this because it's real dirty and I feel like when it's real dirty it has to have this and not this.
Speaker 3:I like them. I think they're also great for people on the go. So like, let's say, like you wake up, you're getting your kids ready for school. Oh, you're mobile, right, like you can throw them in as long as you don't mind. Like driving like your kids to school yes, with some hot rollers in.
Speaker 3:Yes, and then you can just like take them out, like once they cool. Yes, you know, in the car you might just have like a hairbrush in your car like some hairspray, and then you just take them out and then it's like roller. Those do take time. So I think the whole thing like I do velcro rollers on my hair okay. So it's all about doing the round brush, first taking it and then like putting it in, and then you need like something to latch it a little bit oh yeah, and it doesn't come with those.
Speaker 3:Yes, the packs don't come with those. So sometimes, yes, and I feel like I got some off of Amazon. So search on Amazon and sometimes they'll have those little clips.
Speaker 1:I've got some but I'm like huh, but then I feel like my arm gets tired because I'm blow drying. Aren't you supposed to blow dry?
Speaker 3:them. So yeah, so you can heat them up. So I'll round, brush it, have it heat, kind of do the, you know like, bring it up, do the circle, and you can, and then latch it on and then I'll hit them. After I've got them on, I'll hit them with the heat of the blow dryer.
Speaker 1:and then I let them cool, I'll go get my coffee.
Speaker 3:do whatever I want to do, Kind of just like with hot rollers you can bring them back.
Speaker 1:You can just play around with them. Yeah, I'm not good at them, but I can master a hot roller. I will.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no hot rollers are great too, because they're already hot.
Speaker 2:They're already hot, so you just blow dry your hair and have it go.
Speaker 3:It's great.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know I've jumped around 100 times and we need to wrap itve.
Speaker 1:And I think another bonus to your place is if someone's in there and you wait out in the waiting room, or if one's early and one's not, you see this like screen of what all the services are in that little building Right in that little building Right, like I have found that a dear friend of mine does she's actually right next to you, does I don't know what you call it, but like facials and massages and waxes and that stuff. Oh, yes, yes, you know and then, like I said, the boys hair now people.
Speaker 1:It was just one girl, but now, because we are a perm family, we have two Right, there are like just one girl. But now, because we are a perm family, we have two right, there's like two, three doors down around for me. And then I've run into another girlfriend. She's like, oh, I'm going to get my, my face wax by a different friend and I'm like this is um. It's like a community yes, different, it's so great so you might find what you need.
Speaker 3:Yes, some beauty services that you can get um anything from. There's a nail technician, that's in there. There are um estheticians there's a petition.
Speaker 1:That's the word I was looking for. I'm sorry and massage.
Speaker 3:There's a massage therapist that's like right next door to me. So it's nice because it literally like gives people the freedom to set up and they're a little room and it's also like, if you guys want to plan, it's like a one-stop shop like you can just like jump from little it is and every suite is different.
Speaker 3:There's not any two exactly the same, so you can like walk in mine, have one environment, and walk into another one, and it's like very zenful and relaxing, which I mean mine's relaxing too but just a different, like you're getting your massage.
Speaker 1:It's funny because I mean, I texted you a couple weeks ago because I obviously was not managing my hair very well and needed a little tie up. But I'm like I had been over there at that building three times that week between my kids well, actually my kids and then me and I'm like I feel like I need a suite over there. I should?
Speaker 2:I should move the 3W suite over there, right, yeah, I should.
Speaker 3:I should move the 3w office over there, I know, then I can come over and say hi anytime and you're like hey. Rachel, can you show me the new technique with hair? It'd be great, it'd be awesome oh my gosh, I've loved this.
Speaker 1:This was so fun and it went so much easier. Like I knew it would be so easy with us, but it went so much easier and I bounced around a hundred times. I'm so sorry, oh no.
Speaker 3:No worries. Well, that's how I am too. I'm like I'm all. I can just switch from conversation to I know we can, so it makes it nice and easy.
Speaker 3:And again, thank you so much. I was going to let them know too. They want to find me on Instagram. Hair by Rachel Bray. That's how you guys can find me on Instagram, and I always tell people to DM me a message and I'm always checking those. So it might take me a day to get back, but you're still so fast. Yes, but I'll get back with you guys as well too.
Speaker 1:So any questions, You've always gotten back with me, and if you can't find her for some weird reason, just text me it's not a big deal, or just call Ashley Ashley a big deal, or just call Ashley Ashley can always find her too. So thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much for having me. It was really good talking to everybody.
Speaker 1:I know, I think you should come back in the spring and we talk about what's hot for summer. Oh, I would love that Because you're going to have baby brain, so you're going to need a relaxation for some like hair brain.
Speaker 3:I know it's so crazy Baby time. You're going to be here soon, oh my.
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