Kentucky Sports: Portal/Recruiting updates, Pope vs BBN | Final Four | SN 140

ROUND of SHOTS #132 - show date 4.5.2026

Roundtable featuring Dave Slone, Terry Brown, Nolan Fleming, and Drew Byous - hosted by Kevin Hale


Topics:

• NCAA Final Four recap
• Portal/Recruiting Updates
• Pope/Calipari vent about BBN's negative tone
• SN 140: Ranking the greatest college basketball teams
• Duke's Zero Titles Despite all that talent
• MLB's ABS Challenge System
• Final Shots

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SPEAKER_04 0:55

And then there was one. Terry, you're sporting the jersey. UCLA knocked off very impressively South Carolina day. There was, I know the margin was in the 30s. 7951 is the final score. This is a unique thing for Don Staley, South Carolina TV. This is back-to-back years. This is the first time in both men's and women's where a team has lost the title game by 20 or more points. Yeah. Which is South Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Go ahead. Your take on the ladies. UCLA has been tough. I've watched them. I watch a lot of women's basketball, particularly here in Iowa. And I've watched UCLA a couple of times, and they've just been a machine. Like just with Lauren Betts uh in the middle, uh Kiki Rice outside, uh, and and Yaquez that had like a 20.10 rebound performance tonight. UCLA has been tough all year long. So I've I'm not surprised that they won. I am surprised by the margin of victory. And shout out to Kiki Rice, who is the girlfriend of former Wildcat Kasen Wallace. So there's the Kentucky uh connection to that. He had a shirt on with her number uh and uh and a Bruin on it. So uh shout out to UCLA, uh first West Coast women's champion since uh USC in 1984. Or you no, that's not the West Coast, it's it's California because uh Stanford's won. But uh shout out to the Bruins and Coach uh Close. They were uh they were fantastic all the way through.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Uh Daibo, anything to add? Um, you know, I'm never not gonna I'm I'm never gonna be upset seeing you know South Carolina get demolished like that. Sometimes I feel like she needs a little more humbling, and she definitely got that. Um definitely didn't ex I I thought it was gonna be Texas. I thought Texas was a juggernaut, and and obviously that didn't work out. And UCLA kind of took care of them, and then it took care of the other team from the SEC. So I'm just honestly happy to see any other team besides the Yukons and the South Carolinas of the world to take on a title. So congratulations. It doesn't affect me either way. So congratulations.

SPEAKER_04 2:53

Yeah, Nolan, your take.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

I'm really happy for Corey Close. I think she's done an incredible job with that program. That's just an incredible rebuild uh or a building job that she's done over 15 years. And she seems like just like a great person. Like that that's a person that really cares. If you saw her reaction after that Texas game, like literally as she's walking to shake hands, um, it's very cool. So it clearly meant a lot to that program. Admittedly, I didn't watch much of the game today because of Easter stuff, and but I did watch the second half, and by that time the game was it was it was done at that. Way done. I'm I'm like Dave O. Glad to see you, South Carolina and UConn not get it. True.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, yeah, I didn't get I didn't get a chance to watch the game, but um obviously I kind of was following along on my phone and seeing stuff on Twitter and those things. Obviously, it was a blowout, but kind of crazy, you know, Don Staley did her thing after the game the other night to to Gino and then turn around the national championship and get smoked. So I guess I don't know. I don't know who really was in the wrong in that situation, but yeah. Well talk to me about it. So what was this?

SPEAKER_04 3:52

What is this backstory? I mean, clearly there's no love loss between Gino and Don.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Yeah, I think I think Gino had just had a problem, but like she didn't go out to shake his hand before the game or something, and I guess he was lost.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Yeah, personal opinion, personal opinion. Gino got upset because he lost and he didn't know how to handle it. I think that's pretty much exclusively what it was. I I I'm not a Don Staley, I'm not a Don Staley fan. I'm typically a hater, but at the same time, I really don't see what the problem was with anything during the game. She was just being normal Don Staley. Gino got pissed, probably just because he was getting whooped, and then there you go.

SPEAKER_04 4:29

And there you go. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

So so uh uh Gino Ariama has had feuds with several coaches over the years. Uh Muffet McGraw, coach at Notre Dame forever. Uh the great Pat Summit coach at Tennessee, and Don Staley, the coach, the current coach at South Carolina. Conveniently, uh, coaches that have beat him the most in the tournament, Muffet McGraw, Pat Summit, and Don Staley. Coaches who have had clearly have had success against UConn and so it I don't think it's a weird thing that the coaches he's feuded with are the ones that have actually kicked his ass in the tournament.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

So and too, he was like mad over stuff that just didn't happen and like stuff he clearly made up, like the ripped jersey thing. Like, dude, there was no one, no one even there's no way he could have even like been a distorted view or anything. There were no feet there was no ripping feet away from her when that happened, like and she admitted it while he's on the dais talking about they're ripping her shirt, she's like, Yeah, I ripped it.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Like, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 5:30

There was not a lot of missed calls in that game either, I didn't think. That's just but but I hate it.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

This is what Gino does.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Go ahead, David. What does Gino do?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Yeah, he just he when he loses, he's he's petty about it. Like Pat Summit, you know, was was very adamant how much she disliked him uh and and stopped playing, you know, the Tennessee Yukon series. So this isn't new, right? Like uh like Nolan said, I'm not the biggest Don Staley South Carolina fan, but this is Gino's MO. His team was outplayed, his star players didn't shoot well, he lost, and he pouted and he walked off the floor without shaking the opposing players' hands. That's what I've seen after every single game. I saw it today after the championship game. We have seen coaches have tough losses. You still go and shake the other coach's hand, you shake the other players' hands, right? We saw that. I know that Coach Cow was defeated in 2015, but he shook uh all those Wisconsin players' hands and they went off the court. Like that's what the job is. So uh I'm not a big fan of G.

SPEAKER_04 6:25

He even shook everyone's hand after those first second round losses, too.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

True.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

The game that got him pretty much fired, he shook the hand of J always always showed respect at the podium and uh even in the press conferences.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

Even Dan Hurley, even Dan Hurley last year, after I know he blew up afterwards after the loss against Florida, but he still shook Todd Golden's hand. And he waited until he was in a locker room before he said something stupid, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah, so I'm not a Geno fan, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Yeah. All right, so uh UCLA um takes the title on the women's side. The men's uh final game Monday tomorrow night, Monday nights, uh, it will be UConn and Michigan. Uh Yukon beat Illinois yesterday, um, 7162. And Michigan dominated Arizona um 9173. Michigan's run, guys, is um in a this five-game stretch. Let me see where my little notes are here. They um damn it. I can't find my notes. Anyways, they're they're this this five-game stretch, they've scored at least 90 points all five games and have won by double digits. I mean, it's definitely an impressive uh run for them. Um and then you got UConn and Dan Hurley, who is you know, just basically uh you know getting back to the to this uh final Monday of the season once again. Um TB, I'll start with you. Um looking ahead, UConn and Michigan, what you got, who you got, why you got.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

As you can see, it doesn't matter who wins, TB's always prepared. But uh, you know, Michigan's looking tough, uh, but I'm not gonna count out Connecticut. Uh they are knocking of the door of joining uh the big boys, and so uh I'm I'm gonna lean toward uh Hurley and Yukon somehow getting it done again, as crazy as that sounds.

SPEAKER_04 8:24

Stay tuned, uh Michelle. We will be pivoting over to Kentucky um news basketball and football. Um Dave, I'll stay with you. Uh Michigan, UConn, what are you thinking? What are you feeling?

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Well, a couple things. I I will stand on business. You know, nine o'clock Monday night. National championship games are stupid. Um, so that needs to change. Um, yeah, so I'll I'll I've been oh for two on my uh national champions for uh Division I basketball. I picked Texas and they got eliminated. Picked Arizona, they got absolute boat race. Um I mean I think Yukon's probably gonna win it um selfishly just for the biggest.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

Which they have opened as uh as of right now seven and a half.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

That's a I kind of I kind of hope not, so they can just kind of stay away and stop creeping up on us ever so uh slightly. Um I I know uh rattled some feathers and everybody said Yukon is now officially a blue blood. Um I know a lot of the old heads especially don't like that. Um, but it just kind of is what it is. You know, he's been to what this is his third championship game in what four years. Four years. Yeah, so I mean, there is no denying, you know, what he's doing uh with that with that program.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

And here's another here's another thing we can't deny about Dan Hurley. I mean I'm showing this. Um coaches, guys, minimum of 20 games. Dan Hurley has the second best winning percentage. I mean, you know, uh you know, Coach K, Ro Williams, and potentially yeah, who's that guy on the far right? Yeah, might be one of them might be introduced as the North Carolina coach later this month. We'll see. You don't think we'll we'll talk about it. All right, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

And you know, we were talking about Dan Hurley and NBA jobs open, and and what it was it the Knicks or the Nets came open?

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Lakers. Lakers, he turned yeah, he turned the down, he turned the Lakers down.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

Yeah, so I mean, you know, they're coming after him. He's saying no. So I mean we'll we'll see whenever one really close teams opens up, but he's got a made right now at UConn, so I wouldn't leave.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Uh Nolan, your take tomorrow night?

SPEAKER_02 10:26

I think Yukon's gonna win. Uh Yukon is a favorite, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Yeah, again.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Michigan, I think, is the favorite. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Michigan is a favorite. I'm sorry, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Yeah, I mean six and a half as of right now. Yeah. Linda Board being lim being as limited as he's he's going to be. I mean, it's gonna be tough for Michigan really getting a rhythm. I feel like uh hopefully I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong. I'm definitely pulling for Michigan, but UConn's such a machine once they get past the first weekend. Usually just especially when they get in the final four, just semifinal on, they're just a machine. They're unbeatable. Drew.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Uh you're yeah, I I got Michigan. I I think I think they're just a wagon. I think you saw it last night. Leninborg gets two fouls in the first minute and a half of the game, and it did they didn't even take a break. Roddy Gale came in. He was awesome in the game. I just think they're too good. Obviously, the Yaxel injury might cause some issues, especially on the defensive end, because Yukon runs a lot of actions, and that could get really tricky depending on their defensive game plan of him chasing around some of the Yukon wings and guards and stuff. But I I think this Michigan team is I think they're incredible. I think they've been that way all year. And I think they're gonna win tomorrow. And I think they're they're gonna be in that conversation as one of the the better college basketball teams we've seen in the history, just of the pure dominance that they've had. They're up there with some of the best that we've seen in college basketball. So I think they get the job done.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

Okay, sorry, mute. Um, let me share this other little nuggets. Uh since 2000, guys, UConn seven final four appearances. Um, you see the rest, uh, they're tied with North Carolina and Michigan State TB. You you've taken a few dings because you have labeled um UConn as a blue blood. Talk to us about that. Hello.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

I mean, you you know, they're going for seven championships since I graduated high school. That's that's pretty remarkable. If they if they win, they'll be number three all time, and that's only UCLA and Kentucky. Like, how are they not a blue blood at this point? You can't call them a flash in the pan, right? You know, they they they won back in in '99. Uh they won. Who was that here? What was it? Who was the start of the city? UConn has figured it out on the men's and women's side. The culture uh that was Rip Hamilton. Yeah, Rip. That's it. Hamilton team. Uh and Khalid Elamine. And then 04 was Okafour.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Um when it comes to Yukon too. Um, there's also this, let me see. UConn is the only FBS public school that spends more money on basketball than football. Um could believe it. And and the the you look at what the obviously the what the women have done under Gino, but yeah, look at Dan, what he's done. I mean, it it's this run of his um since 2023, two titles, three Final Fours, 17 and one record, um, March Madness record.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

I mean, it's it's and don't get it twisted. Like, you know, Carolina, Kentucky fans, we like to remind people you got to have multiple coaches that have won. They've had three that have won championships. Like no one really remembers Kevin Ollie. I do because I'm a Kentucky fan, but it's Jim Calhoun, it's Kevin Ollie, who you know, most people don't couldn't pick out of a lineup, and then it's Dan Hurley. Like it's it's three different guys that have won championship. Like, and and and our cats have been a victim to two of those directly, right? So uh at this point, if you're saying they're not a blue blood, they're not at the big boys' table, they're more of a blue blood than uh Arizona because people keep trying to slide Arizona in, and basically Arizona's history is what Cal did his first six years at Kentucky. Who keep trying to Arizona's not a good one? Yeah, they don't they didn't even won't they hadn't been in a Final Four in 25 years until but I've I I I I know everybody swears I make stuff up, but I've seen repeat people repeatedly. Uh there was an ESPN guy quote tweeted, like y'all keep sneaking Arizona in, like we don't know what their resume is. Like Sean Miller five final four years there, but he never even made one in one title. Like that that's not blue blood, but UConn, yeah, because they're kicking everybody's ass over the last 30 years.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

Yep, agreed. Um, okay, so uh real quick, TB, you got who tomorrow night? Yeah, Michigan.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Who'd you say you got it really doesn't matter because I'm prepared either way, but I'm gonna go with Connecticut.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

All right. Because that's is that the because that's that's the cleanest jersey.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

This is Ray Allen. This is this is Jesus on this Easter Sunday, and this is this is my tractor trailer jersey for you for you old heads. So Robert doesn't really matter. I'll be I'll you you will see a picture of me in the whoever wins.

SPEAKER_04 15:13

So it'll it'll look like you were a fan of whoever, right? Because you'll support the jersey.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

I'll think you're just because Michigan's a little a little banged up, and I think Hurley's just kind of all over rampage right now. So all right.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Yeah, Nolan, you got you said I got Yukon, same reason banged up, like us in 2014, right? Yeah, and Drew Money Momoa, Michigan. Yeah, I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong. I hope everyone knows that I'm not like happy to pick UConn.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I hope Michigan wins by I think Matt, I think Matt in the chat's on my side, though. He said he said great take, so shout out him. Yeah, you still have numbers, good.

SPEAKER_04 15:54

All right, you you got one fan there. All right, that's the Final Four, man. Uh, I can't lie. I I think I speak uh I'll speak for me, but I think I echo a lot of Kentucky fans that it is it's always disappointing uh for you know this weekend to come and go, and our beloved cats are nowhere near the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Um real quick for all of you, I was 10 years old last time Kentucky played in the Final Four. I have a I'm a taxpayer and I can buy a beer and all that now. So there you go. I think I was uh 11. So there you go. We were both in elementary school, maybe 12, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Well, fuck you guys. I was 26.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

My bad, Navo. Hey, it's a good, it's a good way to put it, though. At least you get some good experiences though when you were a kid. Like I was nine years old when when they won the national championship. I can barely even remember that. Oh, oh that was like my second year.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

It was my first year of actually following the whole thing, and my second year of paying attention. Okay, which probably ruined my life to look at it the first year was a national title, but whatever. All right, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

Some of us are old, some of us are not. All right, Kentucky men's basketball. What's you know, the portal? Uh Drew, correct me if I'm wrong, officially begins um tomorrow after the game. Tuesday. Or it actually begins technically Tuesday or right after the game. Oh, it might be after the game, like midnight or well, then it would be Tuesday. Yeah, and and it's pretty likely a 918 tip off. It will we'll be pushing.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

You gotta change it in bullshit. I'm telling you, you gotta change that.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Yeah, all right, Drew. This is uh step up, give us the latest and greatest with uh the men's basketball portal recruiting.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, so obviously uh over the last week you started to see some guys departure and and head out. Jasper Johnson entering the portal, Brandon Garrison entering the portal, Jalen Lowe entering the portal. Uh, I believe that's it right now, just three of them. Um, I would probably say, I don't know, just just guessing, nothing confirmed, but I would say maybe a couple more, one or two, maybe three more could enter, just depending on some some late, I guess, negotiations or conversations and stuff. So keep an out for that.

SPEAKER_04 18:18

Um, I guess with recruiting negotiations, that is where we're at now.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Yeah. Um, and then obviously there's a lot of talks about a lot of guys out there with the portal of of who Kentucky could reach out to. I don't, you know, I could name you a hundred guys, but I I really don't want to do that right now just because things change so fast. So when plus we have to be done by 10 because of yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so you're gonna see it on Tuesday. There's going to be a lot of you know reports coming out, guys visiting, um, guys having phone call conversations with Kentucky, and then you'll see it going pretty fast. But um keep in keep in mind too, just because guys are not from our current team in the portal on Tuesday does not mean they can't enter. Um, the portal window is from April 7th to April 21st. So um guys can can only enter in that window. Um, they can't enter when the window closes, but guys can still commit when the window closes. So pay attention to that. And then I saw a comment about Stokes the KU. I think there was some confidence in Kentucky's side about a week or so ago that they could could kind of make a late push. Um it's not guaranteed, you know, things can change fast in recruiting, especially one that has dragged out this long. But from what I've heard over the last probably 48 hours, is it's it seems like it's headed that Tyron Stokes will be going to Kansas. So we'll see. Maybe Kentucky can can throw a Hail Mary late. Um it. But we'll see. We'll we'll we'll see about that.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Uh Nolan, anything you want to add when it comes to the portal recruiting?

SPEAKER_02 19:58

I'm not I'm not an insider. I'm not locked in. I don't know anything. But I will say about the Stokes thing. Um Pope needed that, needs whatever. He needs a win bad with this portal class. That's just so evident. I think they know that. He's gonna have to, even if he doesn't get Stokes, he's gonna have to go get the top, the high-end talent in the portal, or else this is gonna this is gonna be rough next year, regardless. I mean, but I've said that like 150,000 times. Stokes also had an interesting exchange with a fan today. Uh you it looked like on Instagram. That's not a good sign to me at all.

SPEAKER_04 20:29

Wasn't that is that the one where the a UK fan said he was uh had committed or what the that's that's the one.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

That's the one. Yeah, I can read it here. He says, Y'all actually make me laugh. Y'all realize I'm an 18-year-old trying to make the best, the biggest decision of my life while the whole world is basically rushing me. Decisions like this take time and there's lots of things to factor in other than money, and then he had like the face palm emoji, and whatever the heck. So, yeah, not a good look, especially after the potential thing that came out uh about Pope and Cow. And yeah, I think he needs Stokes bad, but it just doesn't look good. It doesn't good if you got people like Drew saying that it looks like it's people like Drew.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

Well, people like Drew. We trust what's uh we know the three, uh Lowe, Johnson, and Garrison uh entering the portal. Uh do we anticipate any of the others?

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Yelovich, I would be shocked if he came back. Uh better yet, who who who does who do you think comes back to?

SPEAKER_00 21:28

I I I I feel good about Colin Chandler and Malachi Marino coming back. Um so there's no uh no real truth or story there with Chandler potentially going back to DYU or I think there I think there was, and maybe there still is, but um I I just I don't I don't I would be shocked if he really entered the portal and left. Just I just don't really see it, but obviously, you know, um things can change fast. You never know. I mean, so we'll see. I feel good about Malachi coming back.

SPEAKER_04 21:59

Um which one of the guys have I know a few have definitely committed to next season? Who who has uh nobody right now has has as 100% no?

SPEAKER_00 22:09

I thought didn't Hawthorne come out? He did, but that was uh I'm sorry. That was a article written by the Lexington Herald Leader, and maybe they're right, but for me personally, I don't buy into that until Braden Hawthorne says it himself of like I'm 100%, you know, where there's like something something set in stone. Um don't forget Cutter Bully was coming back, according to Mark Soups. Yeah, that's a big thing. Um these things change fast. I until a player really makes it a official with a a video or a picture or just a tweet or something of like I'm coming back. I I don't I don't buy it. And and who knows? These guys might be still hanging around for the next week or so. And then a week, you know, Kentucky could get a commit from somebody and then one of them, you know, decides, oh well, we Kentucky got this commit. I'm gonna enter the portal now because that that's just changed my role or those things. So I'm surprised honestly some of the guys I kind of expect to enter the portal potentially. Or I would say it's likely for them to I'm surprised we haven't seen seen those guys do it. But these things are weird. Some guys some sometimes it's um you know agents wanting them to hang around at Kentucky just to be safe because for a lot of schools once a guy enters the portal Coach Cow talks about this. If you enter the portal and you leave he's not letting you come back. Like you know I don't know how that how coach Pope would feel about that. Like let's say I don't know just hypothetically Jasper's in the portal he doesn't kind of get offers that he thought he would or playing time or you know calls Coach Pope and like hey you know I want to come back and and play Kentucky like is there a spot for me? That's something that we we don't know. So um we'll we'll see I I would say there the over the next week we're gonna get you're gonna start to see just dominoes start falling like crazy with potentially guys committing here visits being scheduled phone calls um guys entering the portal if they feel like they need to do that. So over the next week things are gonna start going down.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Yeah the comment here in the chat um Kentucky has had many role players no studs. I mean oh wait you could argue it might have been you know stud. I mean but I I we I get your point.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I mean it's um talent wise and you know this was maybe let me shift gears because one um you know the other talking point um there was this uh CBS document or you know thing where they were talking to coach Pope and and Cal has made made the same uh kind of comments as well where both coaches uh have privately vented that um BBN uh the the fan base is negatively affected recruiting since 2020 that's that's the hearsay um where you know the other fan bases other programs uh are using that negativity against Kentucky and it's it's supposedly cost us um multiple elite recruits tb I'll start with you uh fair foul is that uh you think that's um accurate it's a new one it's a nuanced conversation right yeah so we as the big blue nation we say that we are the best fans anywhere ever right that's what we say and we say that because we show up we have all this good support when people recruit we're out there we tweet at them we let them know uh that we love them we're we're posting we're doing all this kind of stuff so for me it it it's intuitive that the negative is also there it's a double edged sword so where we're good we can also be bad right and so to to me it's like one the coaches need to recruit over that but two I do think it's a factor right I see a lot of people uh because the kid from Duke was talking about how he's been treated all these different kids and I see a lot of people saying oh I thought it was just Kentucky nobody's saying that right we're saying we don't need a grown man making a uh a video about Malachi Marino suck it right we don't need that and so there's a lot of things we don't need what hurts me is when a a Kentucky fan gets way out of line and people say hey man that was out of line and then people like well that happens everywhere and I my thing is I thought we were supposed to be better. I thought Kentucky was supposed to be better than this. Now then a lot of people say because it makes them feel good that's just a small percentage you can't look at the state of the world today and I'm not getting political you can't look around tell me that evil people, bad people is a small percentage.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

It just isn't right like no there they've always been out there and without getting political the landscape with the right the world today all made I'm gonna do this.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

So if you're a top recruit right let's pretend and look I'm gonna bring this in my oldest daughter has been recruited not at the D1 level been re-recruited. I'm looking at the total environment that she's gonna spend for four years as a parent. So if I'm looking at three or four places, okay for example a top D1 kid you're looking at Duke, Kentucky Kansas everything's the same NIL is equivalent. I want them to go where they're gonna have the best experience. And I don't want you fucking crazy people in their social media mentions coming up to them at events. So to think that we have no effect on these kids is stupid. It just is stupid like we can't just be here for the good we also have to be responsible for the bad that's my two cents.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

I was uh it might have been more closer to three cents.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Dave oh uh jump in your your take on this tone um there may be some truth to it I mean let's just call it is what it is you know uh Tego did say that they do scroll their Twitters and and read a lot of that shit. They're kids man yeah well they're adults but well young adults young young young men um so it's it's very fair um especially nowadays I know we always talk about the way they get paid and stuff and else but it's so for one you should never be an asshole or threaten anybody on social media in general just whoever you are to anybody in general. But it is it is fair to be critical um of their play right I mean especially I know TV nowadays especially when they are getting paid now like like professionals it is okay to be critical and it and and it's also good to praise them as well whenever they do good things like hit a 50 foot you know shot to you know stay to stay in a tournament against same player right um so and that and that's awesome but at the same time if you there's there's no there's there's no room in this world to be a dickhead and and and tag these players and and and threaten them and call them all kinds of vulgar names and race I'm sure all kinds of racist remarks and stuff like that shit ain't cool. If I was a top talent which I'm not and you know you know I was I was lucky enough to play a little bit of varsity basketball but that that's as far as I got but if I was you know I wouldn't want to put up with that shit. But I mean there there's gonna be fans like that all over the place. It just kind of is what it is and it's it's it's it's not it's not stop earth to the players and um yeah basically what I'm saying is quit doing that bullshit right praise them get mad at them but stop tagging them and stop threatening them.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

Okay it's it's stupid. Knowing you know five ten years ago we would say BBN leave the student athletes alone they're not student athletes anymore. I mean they're they're they're in a sense getting paid to do a job I mean does it yeah I I I I I see no in no time in no way ever is it okay for I think any fan to just go at someone and talk about their fan all this shit. Um but at the same time too if you're a loyal you know fan who puts their time and money into the program I mean you know where I'm going with that but it gives you the right to criticize it doesn't give you the right to send the text message death threat to a player and call her a racial slur and whatever else.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yeah look it's it's a really touchy subject I know to a lot of people right now but I don't know I'll say what I want um I don't think it hurts as much as people think it does or are acting like it does. There's no way that Tyron Stokes or you know whoever else has looked at the fan base in Kentucky and goes well I love Kentucky but they have terrible they have a crazy fan base and this one guy said this one thing there's just I'm just never going to go to Kentucky that definitely is not the main well the thing is is that Stokes might not say it but you know about but someone might say but that's not that's not that's not that's not what's what's causing what's happening in recruiting what's causing what's happening in recruiting is pretty much just that we have a head coach that has no idea how to connect to these top end talents and you know he comes he comes off strong and I think he just doesn't have the same values as a lot of these guys do. And blaming the fans is a cop out. It's a cop out answer. But at the same time I'm sure it has had an impact. That being said though I mean a lot I agree with this comment that says we need to ban the people that are texting messaging these kids directly calling them out and telling them they suck. That's probably true. Messaging them directly is my big criticizing their play like I had a tweet where I said like oh you know I've made the same amount of layups as Brandon Garrison has at the University of Kentucky I'm not trying to defend myself on that but that's not me saying like something really personal about Brandon Garrison.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

I didn't go at him or you know come after him personally it's just but was that factually correct Nolan no it wasn't factually correct it wasn't supposed to be Kevin but well no my point is that if it's true so what about if it hurts your feelings facts don't give a shit about feelings.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

So so I think what we're doing is conflating criticism with the hate stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Yeah so so what we're what we're doing as fans is like well you're a professional now so why like these guys that get the the players that get on TV that talk about the abuse they're suffering like we've got it we've got all these players talk about the racial slurs and the death threats that's what they're talking about specifically. The fans are like I can't talk about a guy going for two for 10. That's not what they're saying. Like Otega always not saying when he had that eight point game against whoever it was South Carolina yeah they're not saying don't tell me I went I only had eight points. What these players are saying is please stop calling me a nigger. Please stop telling me you're gonna kill my family those are two separate things and we're conflating them because it makes us feel good because these guys earn money now and so well you went two for 10 so I'm gonna kill your family. They're two separate things and we need to stop conflating yes we can criticize that's not what they're complaining about.

SPEAKER_04 32:44

They're not complaining about it that's not criticism that's a freaking crime.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Right that's what they're saying is please if I miss a jump shot please stop calling me a porch monkey that's what these players are saying and we collectively are like you went two for 10 so you're getting paid now it's not all of us it's two separate things that we're putting together.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

I agree with this comment is says Bruce Richardson that every fan base does have a percentage of bad fans. Every fan base has it but it's the problem is the problem is we're such a huge fan base is probably more people than a lot of others yes exactly and the same goes for and the same goes for Duke. They're a large fan base too that's just going to be that way with them so the Caden boozers and that's not to like you know within the case likely going to be transferring out of Duke as well.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

I wouldn't be shocked but yeah he better after that pass yeah was a pretty terrible play uh that was bad that was bad let me let me go with a couple comments um uh Mike says well I hear how the fans hurt recruiting I'm 50 fans have always been idiots is it just now hurting recruiting they put for sale I forgot about that put a for sale sign in touch cow's house too same thing to Kyle I mean recruiting isn't recruiting like it was I don't know even 10 years ago right I mean there's there's still so much more into it in picking the school now right I mean it's the financials it's it's still the coach it's it's still the program but I mean there's so there's so much more now that goes into it so it's hard it's it's hard to compare what it was I don't know even 10 15 years ago till now so it's hard to answer that.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

Sean says just when and fans won't ever say anything but say anything but when you spend 22 million on a team we are going to bitch uh also coach cal had this place rocking 20 to 10 to 2018.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yeah we've never uh discounted Cal's first 10 years are some of the is arguably the best 10 year window okay of our program I'm gonna say when we're saying then I'm gonna shut up I'm I'm sorry no one no you're you're gonna say lost so once again I I just talked about how recruiting was 10 eight 18 years ago and that's whenever Cal had it rocking right and then we had I think last show I said so what has Califari done since he's been in Arkansas right shit compared to what he to what he did in UK the first 10 years right so I mean quit talking about that basically what I'm saying like shut up about what Cal did like we appreciate that but shut up we really got to move on from Cal just as a well I mean so cow cow tired of the Cal worshiping I don't know we won't hear what we're worshiping I don't know we weren't worshiping me.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

I mean but the truth is you can't discount what Cal did uh during his 10 years the last few years five years or whatever you think of that over and over and over again like thank you but it's yeah okay we won't say I'm not going at you or anything but at the same time you got to move on from Cal we got to talk about what we have right now because Cal's gone isn't that a the worst isn't that a thing that you lay in the tub and put on Cal going it's an 80s commercial Kevin they may not get it's an 80s commercial I was gonna say they don't they don't yeah I wasn't around back then we get it we get we we we got the you were only 11 or whatever it was and 10 I mean older I mean there's a reason why Cal ain't here no more Jeff I mean come on yeah there's a reason either way though I I think the fans the fans thing has had an impact for sure on on some individuals but as a whole I just cannot see where that's been the sole reason why people are not coming to Tuck it's a cop out and it's a defense mechanic we've said it his last five years I mean we've ad nauseum talked about that no one's defending his last five years no at all no no I'm showing at all today is anything about him all I'm saying is you can't take you can't take down those four banners like those are up there as well tell all I ever said is tell the whole story right you focus on the last five I'm looking at the last 10 but look at the whole 15 like that that that that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 36:42

Yeah but I get it a lot of it uh is always what have you done for me lately what he did lately not so good and he's no longer the coach and he's no longer the coach that that's the thing is like what did he cow do?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Like that's why he's not here he's no longer sitting at one of the best jobs in America like he's paying his pennants because he's in fucking Fayetteville Arkansas what more do you do we put him at the middle of of of fucking Broadway and let's he gets to do that Zoe thing. Yeah get to do that you don't you don't mean to tell me like he doesn't understand that he's no longer at well blue blood he's paying his pennant yeah and that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

All right let's switch gears keep this rolling talk to us Drew what's the latest and greatest with Kentucky football recruiting it's definitely getting kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

This is kind of the the time of the year where really coaches are recruiting super super hard because it's kind of the only thing that they can do outside of like spring practice spring camp those things so um I know there's a couple options out there I think Kentucky's in a good spot for some other than than some other ones but I think they're trying to trying to lock down some big time um at least one big time quarterback recruiter you know highly viewed upon quarterback recruit which is important for for Will Stein and then working everything else they've had a ton of big time um recruits on campus over the last really since Will Stein got here. Very impressive yeah the things that we haven't seen in a long time from Kentucky football. You know obviously just because they come to campus doesn't mean we get them. You know Will Stein's got to do his job to lock them down or you know secure their commitments and those things he's he's lost two in specific that I could think of that would have been really nice to get never know though football recruiting's different you know you could come in at the last second and flip a guy on national signing day or something. So we'll see if he could do that. I don't think it's probably likely but for those two specific guys but I think they're in a good spot with a lot of really talented players and hopefully you know over the next month month and a half they can maybe get some commitments or start pushing their way into some of some of these big time kids and put themselves in a good spot before the season starts because you know when the season starts you can't recruit as hard as you do in the offseason but you kind of get the games to get guys on visits and stuff. So um I like where they are um and we'll see kind of what happens over the next few months or so but I expect Willstein to bring in a pretty pretty solid recruiting class I'll say that.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

Dave O from what you've seen just from the social media landscape and from all of our friends and partners who are posting about football what are you thinking feeling yeah kudos to the UK media just in the you know just in general UK football media I mean they've been sending out some killer videos of spring practice.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

I'm just seeing all those deep balls from Minchie you know on target and not a lot of drops which is pretty sexy to Kentucky fans over the last few years seeing all the drop passes um and just excuse me I'll just one second so yeah and and just seeing the mention of the tight end you know about how Willy Rodriguez is you know a stud and like not getting him the ball would be like a bad a bad idea. So um it's awesome um Stein has come in and obviously gave us a shot of positivity that we've needed um over the last few years dealing with some very mediocre football.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

He's obviously bringing in some awesome recruits uh he kind of got hired at a weird time you know like his first job was national signing day um and he kind of was he was kind of behind on the 27th class too so um he's hit the ground running uh the guy don't sleep it seems like um so yeah it's gonna be awesome super encouraging tb same to you i'm excited go cats go cats no one anything dad yeah i think he takes it incredibly seriously maybe a little more seriously than the previous coach had at in the tail end of his tenure for sure in the recruiting end like with snick a driver whenever they lost him I think he took that really personally not on the player but I think he definitely took like on himself I think he thinks he needs to get every player in the state and uh that's not over yet though I don't think never know you can slide in slide in through the back door on signing day and that's the thing with football too that people forget a commitment is not final in football it never has been and never will be more than likely not now not with this no no the money the money's made it worse to be honest with you and even if he does go there I mean who's to say you know what I mean yeah he can go sit the bench for a year and he's at in the portal and you know I football is weird like that because there's you know you got to be there for three years you know there's so many roster spots I think there you get like a hundred 110 roster spots now so there's so many guys that we'll we'll see but go back I was a lot of like national guys are picking us too to be like oh they think who's if it was gonna be the next Indiana it's Kentucky they're big on lost time please I'm not gonna go that far but I already but why not though why not in Indiana just freaking uh the this their season it's a freaking game changer right now.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

I'm gonna stand my ground from what I've said for the last a year and a half maybe we don't have to expect national championship but we can expect to at least uh compete for a playoff in a 12 team era every now and then yeah just compete I don't know that's gonna happen this year. This schedule's gonna be a nightmare for year one but we got a good I mean they're all novels of this you know this well yeah but you know we're in the SEC that's how it goes.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

And then the movie game on top of it like you you got 10 big time football games. Yeah that's true.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Uh I you know I was waiting for this someone to make talk about football we were knocked out two weeks ago what do you want me to talk about?

SPEAKER_04 42:22

What do you what do you want to talk about I mean I mean I like to still do that's I'd still like to hang with you guys out there on a Sunday night. Portal's not rep your program who's your who's your program rep your program yeah uh yeah so we do have a show we gotta talk Kentucky sports yeah nobody's gonna try to talk more than just basketball tonight I mean that another guy at Tennessee did because we're a Yukon show you're right buddy we're a Yukon show no that's his team you guys might have to change your picks now and start rooting for Michigan but get it I'm still picking I'm gonna still pick UConn I got I got go blue I'm I'm good either way so there you go but then you got you gotta you know you got still have some of the Kentucky fans you know they're not gonna let Cal go they're not they're not and no offense guys it makes for good conversation maybe but dude uh we gotta move forward we just have to we just have to yeah and and I will say this about the football program just the way that Stein's running it in general like the guy is literally running it like an NFL program.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Like he's got assistant coaches to the assistant coach to the assistant coach. You know he's got all these different people working all these different analytic departments all these different video coordinators and strength coaches and GMs and assistant GMs like the guy is spending some serious money and and so he don't have to do a lot like he is delegating a lot to some really smart people.

SPEAKER_04 43:48

What's the what's the talked about budget football budget true I don't know ballpark?

SPEAKER_03 43:54

They got what 70% didn't they something like that 70% of the ref or ref share or something like that of the between all the programs I think it's probably I mean that sounds right probably so and so that's why a lot of you talk about you know the the the money that's given to the basketball programs and the football programs like the football team has a lot more mouths to feed so of course they're gonna get way more money right so that's not even fair.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Yeah that's true but you're also in football gonna get individually probably less battery mark on your deal. Yeah that's fair too much you're like a superstar.

SPEAKER_04 44:24

Yeah uh speaking of superstar stars uh sporting news is celebrating their uh 140th birthday which you know that means they're old um for 140 greatest moments in sport So this is their top college basketball teams of all time. Again, I'm just a messenger here, but we'll all get everyone's take. TB, there's your Bruins, 1968. That's hard to argue. That team was you know. Um, but number two, Kentucky's 1996 team, guys. For the kids on this show, that was Patino. Uh, that team could really I thought it was Joby Hall. There you go. Yeah. Uh this look, look at this. This right here alone. Jesus Christ. TB, I'll I'll start with you. I mean, uh, that 96 team, uh, fair number two, definitely one of the top the greatest team I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yeah. The greatest team I've ever seen. April 1st, 1996 was still one of the top five nights of my life, days of my life. Uh, that's after the birth of my children and Mary, my wonderful wife. Uh, the celebration that night was fantastic. Watching that team compete as a freshman at UK. It was fantastic. I will fight anybody and say that the 1996 team could beat any team from the 1939 Oregon Ducks to whoever wins this year. I will fight anybody. That team is the greatest team I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

And four and five. Yeah, uh, crazy. Uh ahead of the last I know these no, go ahead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Uh no, I just say, you know, these I got these young kids that were that were kids when the Caliperi days, and then this tweet went out. I think it was Corey Price, like the last team to get to three championship games over a four-year period. 96, 97, 98, Kentucky. My freshman, sophomore, junior year UK. I was spoiled as a Kentucky student, period. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Well, they made sure I wasn't because I had one of the worst runs in history of the school for my time at college at UK. So thanks for that, Terry.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

Davo, uh you you know this team. At least, yeah, you were around. Ahead of the last undefeated team, um, which was IU's 76. Yes, socket Hoosers, uh, Dukes 92, Jordan Worthy, and Perkins. That was a badass team. Uh 82. And uh down the list, the number 15 team was the 2020 twelve, uh, 2012, 2020. 2012 team, national championship team, Davis, Skill Chris, Kid Girl Chris. Uh, it was a loaded team too. Where's the 15? What's that? 2015. 2015. Uh, they it only went up to 15, so I would say they made that list because they didn't make they didn't win it.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Oh, uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:17

So yeah, but they didn't win, so but they won't. Um, no, yeah, that's a good point. Um, you kids, I don't know how much you can really contribute to this, but you know, this is good history stuff. Go take it, read it, you know. History 101.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

I think 2012 should be higher. I will say that. I think the 2012 should be higher. That team is an incredible team.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

I think that Indiana loss and uh Vanderbilt SEC tournament.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Even they were good, but yeah, I agreed. The two losses really they should have been that should have been a 40 and oh season, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

I mean, in looking at their list, only uh one team from the two the 2000 era. So 20, what was that again? 20.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

I will say having the UNLV team from 91 in the top 15, but not 2015 Kentucky is pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Well, they this team won the championship is that no, this is no they did not the 90 years right, you're right. You're right. My bad.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

That's the team that got beat by Duke and the semis.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

Yeah, that was crazy. And that was that they beat with they beat Duke the previous. They lost to the ship like third. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

They beat the shit out of Duke in 1990.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

But like 30, I've rewatched that game. I don't know why I rewatched that game, but it did.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

You know, you know what? Can we can we bring up this last comment about Billy D real quick? Billy Donovan? All right, cool. Oh, yeah. I would I would love to see him get the job in North Carolina and just come in as old as he is and try to get back in college basketball and just fall flat in his face. I would love to see it. I hope they do hire you, to be honest with you. I don't think they're going to.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

I I also don't think that's what's gonna happen. I really look, I really think that they're headed towards a Mark Pope-like situation over there where they're gonna have to hire a hot up-and-coming name because we do forget Pope was they should just call Hubert Davis back, tell him they messed up or something.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

No, maybe not that. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 49:09

That's a good idea. That would be a that would be a disaster. No, it's a great idea. I think it's an awesome idea. You should go get North Carolina.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

It would be like hiring our Mark Pope, but a hundred times worse.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Yeah, that'd be way worse than Mark Pope. Mark Pope had had success at BYU at least a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Well, I just mean like as far as like players and beloved.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Yeah. No, I'm not saying that.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Well, to be honest, that's what Hubert Davis was, and he got fired after four years. So I'm not, I mean, I'm not calling for anybody's job, but we'll we'll see if Mark Pope is in that spot a year or two from now.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

My prediction for North Carolina, honestly, I'm gonna say that they end up with Mark Byington.

SPEAKER_00 49:46

I I think that would be a great hire for them, but they're gonna they're gonna have to pay like$10 million to get out of his contract from Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

I mean, I don't see McCasslin leaving Texas Tech. I also don't see uh I also just don't see uh uh Donovan or waiting on Donovan.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

Yeah, it would be it's it would they wouldn't be able to really hire him till like two weeks from now when the portal's about to open two days yeah, that'd be that would be a nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

And then also we've got to think of retention on their end. I mean, yeah, I just don't see why Donovan's really a good idea for them.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Yeah, I don't see it. Okay, all right. Uh Tubby Smith won a national championship. He did. Like I just want to reiterate the when he says that Toby Tubby won a title.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Yeah, time out.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Tubby Smith won a national championship, and we see that is fucking hard to do, right? We have seen really good teams fall short of that. Tubby Smith won a national championship full stop. I'm full stop.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

I'm not I'm not gonna agree with them entirely. I'm not gonna agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

This is their Tubby Smith. Tubby Smith won a national championship.

SPEAKER_04 50:53

Well, you know what that the the asterisk, you know, in BBN's mind, there's an asterisk next to that, TB. I'm saying the asterisk is he's the black guy. Well, oh, I said that out loud.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 51:06

You did.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

But my point is Tubby Smith won a national championship full stop because I see people like, well, Mark Pope is like a Tubby Smith. Tubby Smith won a national championship, like full stop. And a lot of great coaches don't win.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

And his play, his former players, Cameron Mills, I've heard Shepard, yes, uh, several, you know, yes, they were part of Rick's team, uh, you know, part of Rick's roster previously, but it was a whole different style. It was just a whole different approach. And so, yeah, Tubby is oh, whatever, forever will be, you know, later.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

He's getting his flowers now, though. I appreciate that he's getting his flowers now. That is a good deal. Like the big blue man, because he he did he he didn't when he was here.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

You you young cur kids don't remember. It was brutal. I've talked to a lot of kids, a lot of guys, there's a lot of men that played during that era. Tubby Smith is solid.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

Well, it may just be me, but my I always heard like great things about Tubby, like specifically for my dad. My dad, I think, was a big Tubby homer. Uh, maybe not there at the end, kind of like everybody else, where it's like, all right, it's probably time to move on. But you know, I'd always heard great things about Tubby. So it's kind of it's been surprising to me as I got older to find out that there were some that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

And and and keep keep keep in mind that we talk about Tubby at the end and his record is the last two years of Mark Pope. Yep. We talk about how bad it was, and if it's it's Mark Pope.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Let's talk about this. Uh, you know, something I hate to bring Cal back up, but I have to for this um this quick segment. There's always there's a a huge part of our fan base, and just actually this the sports world who gives Cal Aperry grief for having all this talent and only one national championship. People for some reason think winning a title is like the easiest thing. Uh, I mean, I'm not, I mean, this is let's keep it real. This is thank you, thank you uh for a North Carolina to uh person, whatever this is, to post this. But look at if you can just oh I'm not gonna say it, all this these guys, NBA guys that Duke has had since 2015, you know, they haven't had any title or uh uh titles or title game appearances. It's not easy. And I hate that when Calipari or anybody gets labeled, uh, you know, when well we'll stay with Calipari in Kentucky, is you know, yes, he's put so many guys in the league and they're all stars. And people are like, How is why was you know, why don't we have more titles? Well, first of all, Calipari relied on a bunch of 18-year-olds, they were yeah, they were badass stud 18-year-olds, but they were still kids that were still developing, they weren't NBA all-stars in their first in one and only season at Kentucky.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

T T B, can can I say before you do? Go ahead. Yeah, go you know how hard it is to win a national title. There's there's one particular program in the country who's been around for 118 years and I ain't even seen the final four.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

99 teams, but the uh but the Vols ain't won. Let me just say, let me just say the the mental gymnastics on Caliperi have been ridiculous. When he arrived in 2009 from Memphis to Kentucky, the conventional wisdom was you can't win with freshmen, right? We all heard that. You can't win with freshmen, and then it became he didn't win enough with freshmen, right? Do you see how those two things don't match? Maybe it's just me, but you can't be like, you can't win with them, but you didn't win enough with them. And that's you know, we hate that guy, but whatever. Keep it moving.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Keep it moving. All right, Dave. Oh, I've let you down a little bit, but I promise it will not go to 90. Uh, we're wrapping it up. Um I'm having fun. Okay. Okay, it's all about you. I uh I'm not I I used to not too long ago be so into uh MLB baseball, major league baseball, that I literally could tell you probably comfortably almost the starters of every team. That's how I was really into it. That's for some some way I lost my um love for the game and it just became kind of boring. Mainly because I I felt that it just baseball took so long to evolve. I mean, my my my gripe with major league baseball is that you got these old school people who get mad because of a bat flip and you know, players showing some excitement. And the other thing, too, is that I felt like the umpiring, you know, was not good. What's been your take? Dave, I know you're a Reds fan, it's Reds, it's uh you know, it's our local pro team. What's been your take with this ABS uh challenge where you've got some umpires who have just gotten posed badly, badly, and I love I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 55:45

So those calls are can you know change the course of a game, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Yeah, so like yeah, I mean there's been no secret that you know the MLB and just baseball in general has been a very extremely boring game. Um, and they have done a great job with it, speeding it up with the pitch clock for one, um, having the challenges, holding the umpires, you know, accountable on calls on the bases and stuff. That takes a little bit too long, but I I definitely understand why they do that. Um, but the ABS is awesome. It only takes what five to eight seconds to get the call right, you know, and it's it's doing exactly what it should do. It's holding the umpires accountable. Um it's it's really cool to hear like the crowd, like sometimes some sometimes the crowd gets even louder, you know, for for an overturn, you know, our our bar or strike call. And you know, and uh Gino, uh, you know, the Reds against I believe the uh whoever was the the pirates, I think. He did it twice, and both times, you know, he got the call right and the crowd freaking erupted. Um, so it's awesome. I like it. Um, it's speeding up the game, it's making it funner.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

And uh yeah, go Reds. Yeah, TB like recently I'm looking at this Red Sox Reds game. Uh, this umpire um had six calls overturned.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Jeez, uh uh uh yeah, like that that's the thing as fans we've been asking for is some kind of accountability for the official, right? Like the the people like, oh, you go out there and officiate. That's not what I'm asking for. There just needs to be some kind of accountability for your officials, your umpires. And so I'm all for that, right? Like, uh longtime baseball people, we've always heard, oh, this is so-and-so strike zone. No, it's the baseball strike zone, right? Like, you you don't get your own individual interpretation of a strike zone, right? Like, I'm tired of I'm old enough to hear like uh in the NBA, Joey Crawford's travel is different from somebody. No, just do the rule as it should be, right? Like we all know.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

What is the travel rule? Is it four or five steps now before a travel is called in the NBA? It's it's it's it's a it's it's a lie.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

I look, I love the NBA and I'm not gonna shit on it, but uh I just think we've been looking for accountability for officials, so I'm I'm all for that because everybody else is accountable. The players have to answer for why did you do that? The coaches have to answer for why did you do that? And so the officials get to make these calls that determine wins and losses in championships, and then they just get to disappear into the ether. So I'm all about accountability.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

Uh Nolan, anything to add about ML?

SPEAKER_02 58:09

Yeah, Angel Hernandez, Angel Hernandez could have really used this back in his time. It would have been great if we could have had this in when he was still. Maybe not, but he sucks, so who cares what he thinks, right? Um, no, it's a good thing. I think we need to find other things like this for basketball, football, football. They supposedly put the chip in the ball, but I don't think I ever saw them use it one time. I think I saw them keep bringing the chains out and see where that's necessary, but still.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

We're getting replacement refs too, so watch out for that.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Heck yeah, let's do it. 2012, just like it's 2012, baby. 2012 was a great year. We should definitely repeat that all the time in the NFL. Um, but no, I I think we should definitely look at other things like this and other sports.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Drew, anything to add?

SPEAKER_00 58:53

No, I I don't watch the MLB much anymore. I grew up, I'm a I was a huge St. Louis Cardinals fan. Um, and uh, but as I got older, the MLB and baseball just in general, I lost lost my passion for it. But uh anything they do to improve the game, like there's multiple things in college basketball I wish that were changed. Like the quarter system, I think would help speed the game up because you saw last night Illinois and I think it was in the Illinois Yukon game. Uh Illinois was in the double bonus. I think there was still more than 10 minutes left in the half. I agree with that. No, those things just kill the timing of basketball games because you're shooting free throws all the time. And so um jump ball too.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

I need to change that. What'd you say? Jump ball arrow, possession arrow. I get that too.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Anything to speed the games up and and improve the the quality of the game, I think is beneficial. So get good on the MLB, uh, make it some changes and hopefully I I like the new college basketball rule with the challenges and stuff. I think that was pretty good this year, but then you have some calls that are refs are over there at the monitor for five minutes, and you know it's like, come on, let's let's get this thing back on the road.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

I think they need to um mirror the NBA a little more than they do with that rule. Yeah, I don't think they I think exactly the way the NBA does it is proper to me. Um that I think we need to look into that instead of the whole well, it's a challenge this time, but last time it was an appeal. That's why Yeah, I don't I don't understand the rule what the difference is and makes the one does. I I think only I don't think anybody does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

And the appeal, you'd I don't think you'd lose a timeout, or but the challenge you do, but it's like the same thing. It makes I don't know. Some people think that you're in charge. I don't know what I don't think they know what they're doing, but only form of basketball that plays two halves and not four quarters.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

Yeah, probably should look into that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

Probably all right. Let's uh let's conclude this. Uh final shot time, Dave Bo. I've done my best. Uh Drew, I'll start with you. Final shot of the night, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

Final shot. Uh kind of kind of sad every year, the night of the national championship game. Um, when college basketball season's over, it's what I look forward to. It's it's what I do in my free time. So I always get kind of sad. Um, you know, especially like when the one shining moment comes on. And the last few years though, we've got screwed in watching that, seeing Jack Golke highlights. And so this year, I'm I'm guessing Otega's shot will be in there, which will be cool. Um, and then uh on to I guess I'll I'll get into to deep into the NBA and and getting ready for the playoffs there, but um, and then following the transfer portal. So, you know, the season ends, but then the crazy season starts the next day. So um, yeah, that's my final shot.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

The the whole portal conversation should pick up on next week's show. So let's yeah, I would I would say by by next week's show, there's gonna be a lot of news problems. A lot of news. This will be like Drew, will you please stop talking? Nolan, final shot, bud.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:55

Yeah, first of all, happy Easter. Uh I enjoy getting to go home. I enjoy getting to go to church with my family. Um, that's a special thing. I don't get too religious, but it's a lot more fun to me to praise God with my loved ones. Uh so uh happy Easter to everybody. And also, I hope with basketball that we can have good years in my adult life instead of me referring to me being 10 years old last time we were in a Final Four and nine when we were in a title game.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

So I know I'm sick of it. Let's lock it. Please, please let's have some success. So these kids on here don't don't rem keep reminding me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

Well, we're entering and we're gonna enter at some point within the next five years if nothing changed, where people younger than us are gonna start changing the expectation of what great is at Kentucky basketball. So you got five years, whoever the new AD is. Please don't screw it up. And yeah, that's about it. I like talking baseball. I'm not very shy about who I'm repping, go orange and black. Uh probably back to another mediocre season. Thank you, Harry.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

Always, brother. TB, final shot, done.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:49

Final shot. Uh this past Friday, I had my uh first colonoscopy, and I say that to uh share with uh men and folks in general. Take care of your health, be preventative with your mental and physical health, and the colonoscopy wasn't all that bad. So take care of yourself, folks.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

Wasn't all that bad, huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

No, man. No, man.

unknown 1:03:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

I mean, it wasn't Dave. It wasn't a I'm not gonna do it again, right? Like, I'm not gonna go tomorrow, but uh next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

Take your legal pad with a bunch of fun facts about colonoscopies, I think that'll like it was it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Hey, hey, just for you know, and I'm gonna hold on to my notepad with all these notes in case I need to pull them out.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:25

I want to make a bet with you right now. If Kentucky makes the final four next year, will you eat three pieces of paper off of that note?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Man, look, if Kentucky look, put if Kentucky e uh makes a final four next year, I will absolutely get a notepad. Like, I'll eat more, I'll eat a whole pad of paper.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:41

How about just how about just a single post-it? That's that would that would be no no if they make the final four gotta go all out.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

You'll go I will put barbecue sauce on it. I'll do all kinds of stuff. If they make a final four, I think we should have a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

You're keeping the stereotype alive, TB.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

Maybe we eat the post-it note to try to bring good luck. That way we go to the final four, and then we'll hold no padded or uh what happens. I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:07

All right, I'll shut up. Daveo, I'm trying to shut this down, and they're talking about eating paper. Dave a final shot.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Um, yeah, stop being a psycho fan. Uh cheer for your team, but stop being psycho um for sure. Um, Dan, what else was I gonna say? I got I got lost in the paper talk. Um, yeah, stop doing that. Um, Kentucky baseball, uh, get it together. It's getting pretty annoying. You just lost a series to the worst team in SEC. Um, not good. Uh not good at all. Um, other than that, uh go big blue. And oh yeah, the portal is opening really soon. Um, it's kind of a long process. Um, chill out. Um, don't don't don't sweat, you know, whenever we quote unquote whiff. Um please try your best to have open pope. Uh because he's got year three, and uh we've talked about that many times. He's got at least year three. Yeah, so just hang in there, let's and let's just see what happens, okay? Enjoy the process, but yeah, stop being a dickhead.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

My year three spiel. She she knows it forward and backwards. Yeah, year three.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:07

I'm gonna tag you every time somebody asks about that, so just be ready so you can explain.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

But people people get people stats are mad at me. People are mad at me. People are mad, like it's different, and it's not the same. And it's not I'm like, yeah, I covered 80 years of Kentucky basketball. It's it's changed, but Kentucky wins no matter what until now. But I need to be better. Love y'all.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:28

Good stuff as always. Uh no one, you got your podcast. You got anything coming up?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

Uh, yeah, just breaking blue. We're just gonna be talking about portal. Me and Wyatt Huff, uh Tucky Wildcats on SI. We'll just talk about the portal, talk about uh, you know, whatever's going around at that time. Who knows? Who knows who we're gonna be talking about within 12 hours from now, even so I'm Drew to be fluid.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:52

Drew's a busy boy. I do look forward next week.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

Next week's show should uh should give us some good insight on where we're hopefully we got some commitments and stuff to look start looking forward to, not not this depressing time in Kentucky basketball. We need some we need some positivity, all right, guys. Although we believed in it, we believed in it last year, and then we fell flat on our faces. So also uh just because we get one commit doesn't mean that we're guaranteed to win number nine next year either.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

So yeah, relaxed.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:22

It's yeah, all right, guys. Uh for this edition of Round of Shots on Easter Sunday, uh TB, Dave O, Nolan, and Drew wishing everyone a good night, a good week. We'll be back next Sunday. Until then, go cats, peace out later.