RED Episode 309 Ergotrail Founder Daisy Myburgh

RED Episode 308 Ergotrail Founder Daisy Myburgh

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Ergotrail Founder Daisy Myburgh

This week, we talk with Daisy Myburgh, founder and creator of Ergotrail Soft Flask.  This product is great for those on the road or on the trail.  Dana went camping recently and this flask, that can be purchased with a filter, can be a great tool to have with you on a trail run or camping, so you can have clean water wherever you are.  

Daisy was so kind to talk with us and so generous with her time.  The links below will bring you to the products on Amazon and Daisy is including a 30% discount for the first 24 hours of our interview being live on our podcast feed.  So, if you ever wanted to try it, now is the time!  

Thanks, Daisy!

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Bottle with Filter

3 Pack of Bottles without Filter

Connect with Daisy and Ergotrail

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Website

ergotrail.com

Transcript

Introduction to Daisy and Ergotrail

Speaker 1 1:07

Hi everyone. It's Mefka Flezgahi, the Boston Marathon, new York City Marathon champion and Olympic silver medalist. You are listening to the Run Eat Drink podcast.

Speaker 2 1:22

Welcome to the Run Eat Drink podcast. We feature destination races from across the country and after the race, we take you on a tour of the best local food and beverage to celebrate. So, whether you are an elite runner or a back of the packer like us, you'll know the best places to accomplish, explore and indulge on your next runcation. Dana, we have a very special guest on our show today, who founded a product that we need to carry to every race where we go. We have a founder who sent us a product and she's here today Daisy Myberg. Welcome to the Runny Drink Podcast and thanks for coming on to chat about this really useful tool in running.

Speaker 3 2:11

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to chat about it.

Speaker 1 2:14

Yeah, happy to have you the product we're talking about is the Ergotrail Soft Flask. We have two separate products that have components of what you have created. Yours is the first that I've ever seen combine both aspects into one thing, so could you talk a little bit about it?

Speaker 3 2:32

I'll tell you about how it came about. Great, I'm a trail runner. When you start running, you start with small distances and keep moving up. You have to carry more water with you as you go, so I one day was running with about three liters of water on me. I was like no, this is too heavy. I live on a tiny island of Africa called Mauritius. It's a tropical island, so it's incredibly hot here. The amount of liquid you have to carry with you and I'm sure you guys relate, being from Florida, it's incredibly hot there as well and humid.

The Birth of Ergotrail Filter Flask

Speaker 3 3:01

I was going through about a liter of water an hour and where I run in the mountains there's a lot of natural sources of water, but it's not remote enough to want to just fill up your flask. It might not be the safest idea. So I looked into getting a filter for my bottle and came across one or two on the market, but they were really expensive and didn't strike me as being very safe because they were open around the edges. I figured the water is bypassing the filter a little bit. So I thought maybe this is an opportunity to create something. So I just started Ergotrail. I designed the filter and the flask and put the two items together. As you mentioned, you use a life straw and then a soft flask, which is also a brilliant combination. But yeah, we made the flask the filter and now I can run with one bottle and just fill up at every stream that I go to and have enough hydration for the whole time and not have to carry pounds of weight on my back.

Speaker 2 3:58

That's true. It's like kids in school with backpacks full of books. I feel like if you train with it, you can do it, but if you can have something small and simple and compact that you can just apps and put in the pocket of your running, pants, exactly, you can just put in your pocket not only does it work in that kind of setting, but at races you don't necessarily have to stop drink out of a cup and then look for a trash can or a mess for somebody else.

Speaker 2 4:27

So I feel like it's a great. It's comfortable and it's got a bite valve on the top.

Speaker 1 4:33

I have one right here that was sent to us, so we can try it out.

Speaker 2 4:36

We came prepared.

Speaker 1 4:39

And while I'm unboxing. I know that I skipped the first intro question. I'm excited about this.

Speaker 2 4:43

Daisy, while he's unboxing your magical product that we are in love with right now, tell us a little bit about your background. You said you're into trail running. You live on an island, but how did you get into running?

Speaker 3 4:56

Yes, it does sound absolutely bizarre. I live on an island, so I'm from South Africa. It's a small country at the tip of the African continent. I'm from Cape Town, which is quite a well-known city. It's got beautiful mountains and a lot of trail to run there, yeah. So I started as a bit of a roadrunner doing the local 5k here and there, and then slowly realized that it was more scenic in the mountains, quieter and a little bit more peaceful. We go camping a lot, as I mentioned, so it's always nice to get out into nature.

Speaker 3 5:27

My husband and I moved to Mauritius, this tiny island, three years ago for work. We are entrepreneurs, so he works for himself, I work for myself. He does a few other Amazon businesses, which is how I was able to get into doing a trail brand on Amazon, which we'll get into a little bit later. But we just came for a bit of an adventure. It's been wonderful, and we are about to move back to south africa, which I'm very happy about. There's some really cool trail races that I want to get involved with there. I've done quite a lot of racing in mauritius as well. It's a good scene here. So that's the story yes that's a good story.

Speaker 2 6:07

We're having coffee because you're coming to us in the morning a Sunday morning for us. However, you're coming to us by way of the future. This is exciting. Can you get us the winning lottery tickets for the next?

Speaker 1 6:22

No.

Speaker 3 6:22

I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 6:23

That's a good idea. Can we split? Yeah, let's do it. So it's actually 6pm where you are.

Speaker 3 6:31

Yes, it's do it, so it's actually 6 pm where you are. Yes, it's 6 pm and it is flipping hot. I've got the air con on.

Speaker 1 6:35

Oh, we do most of the year here. Even our winter is very mild and we're currently into the 80s, pushing the 90s right now.

Speaker 2 6:45

How's the humidity where you are?

Speaker 3 6:48

Oh, it's usually like 80% plus.

Speaker 2 6:51

It's like our summers. That's us. Yes, that's like our summers.

Speaker 3 6:55

I'm so glad you guys can relate. No one else can relate to this.

Speaker 1 6:59

We can, and the fact that your product addresses a problem that we've had is really nice. There's a point of diminishing returns, and I think you hit the mark with three liters. There's a point of diminishing returns and I think you hit the mark with three liters.

Running in Mauritius and South Africa

Speaker 1 7:11

That's over a gallon in excess of eight pounds that you'd be carrying on your back, if you don't train your entire training season with that kind of weight, you're going to have problems with whether it's your hydration pack. It's shifting and it's chafing your muscle aches caused from carrying that extra weight. Whatever the case may be Cramping in your back and it's just more stuff that you have to deal with.

Speaker 3 7:36

Nothing freeing about running on the trail with a very heavy weighted pack. It doesn't feel nice.

Speaker 1 7:43

This is it. I'm showing this to everybody on the camera here. This is the Ergotrail flask, and this thing is tiny. I can almost conceal it completely in one hand. This would go easily in your side pocket. To me, it's ingenious to incorporate the filtration. I don't know. I would like to say no one's crazy enough to just drink from a stream and not have a filter. But there are people who would totally do that.

Speaker 1 8:12

I promise you there are people who would do that and that's a great way to get nasty gut bugs hospitalized or worse. So this filter that you've included I saw on your website this gets out the microbes, the protozoa, the amoebas, the little creepy crawlies that can get you and I went, the factory offered me what kind of filtration do you want?

Speaker 3 8:35

And I was like, listen, I am potentially filling this up with very dirty water and I want to make sure that I will be safe and I can't sell something that could potentially make other people sick. So I said do it to the max and you will see that when you use it. It does come with a little drawback in that the flow is not as fast as it would be without a filter, but that's how you know that the filter is doing its job, because if you open it up, you can actually have a look inside and see what the filter looks like it comes off, so you can use the flask with or without the filter.

Speaker 2 9:08

I used it without the filter because I knew that we would have nice, safe, clean drinking water at the water stop.

Speaker 3 9:14

If you open it up you can even take that little rubber thing off the top. You can have a look inside to see what the filter looks like. It's called a hollow tube. Anything that is bigger than that filters through those tiny little tubes filters through those tiny little tubes At other trail filters. The water goes in almost near the top, which doesn't make any sense because it's supposed to go through the tubes to be filtered. It comes with the drawback that the flow isn't so fast. But I would rather not get sick than get a fast flow.

Speaker 1 9:41

It's funny that you said that the idea that a little bit of water getting around the filter, that's all it is. And the microbes there are lots of them in a little bit of water.

Speaker 3 9:51

So it filters out all the protesura and any contamination in the water and it also has activated carbon in it which takes any sort of nasty taste out. I store it in my fridge and the water gets that freezer-y taste.

Speaker 2 10:03

It even filters that taste out completely, which I find a nice added benefit or it can take on that kind of plastic If it sits in plastic long enough.

Speaker 1 10:13

I've made that mistake. I filled up hydration bladders before, like in my backpack for camping. Filled it up just so that I wouldn't have to worry about a day of leaving and then the water tastes of the bladder.

Speaker 2 10:23

So you've talked about coming up with it and the process of getting the filter right, but how did you create it? How did you collaborate with others to perfect it?

Speaker 3 10:33

So I first went to my husband and I said, listen, I have this idea, what do you think? And he said, no, it sounds like a good idea. I found different suppliers that had ready-made things, different options, and a supplier that specialized in filtration, as opposed to athletic bottles, because I wanted the emphasis to be on the filtration. There were a few design points I mentioned to them. I really wanted it to have a nice big opening, because I like to scoop ice into my bottles before I run and I like to scoop drink mix, carb mix, electrolyte powder, whatever you want to put in. The other bottles always have tiny openings and if the powder gets everywhere, it needs to be comfy and soft big opening. And then the filter was obviously the focus.

Speaker 3 11:21

They gave me options on different filtration and we went with the maximal filtration. It's a bit of a liability issue too, and an ethical issue. I would never want to sell something that would put anyone at risk. So we made it the safest that we possibly could and it took quite a long time. It took about six months because, as everything is manufactured in China, we had samples backwards and forwards sent to us Different generations of testing.

Speaker 3 11:52

Exactly so. They would send me some and then I would fill them up, go for a run, use it and then come back to them and be like no, I need to change that. As a small business owner, I obviously couldn't use a big agent. I had to do everything myself and communicate with the manufacturers. If you come up with something, you can actually do it alone.

Speaker 1 12:16

You don't need to go through big companies and agents. I tell you, it sounds like you went through and made the water bottle you would want to use which I think is exactly what you'd want to do.

Filter Technology and Design Features

Speaker 1 12:23

Something that I noticed that I really like about this you've got that big, wide opening, like you talked about, but you've also got this harder. I don't know if it's a plastic or a silicone shoulder. I can hold on to that without squishing the bottle, so I can scoop ice in or I can get the fluid in. That's just a nice little design touch that a lot of companies might otherwise overlook.

Speaker 1 12:46

I've seen some products where they try to make something like this and it's a collapsible bottle and it goes to a flip top mouth, opening pain in the butt to fill. So this this is much more user-friendly and you are correct that.

Speaker 3 13:01

I said I made exactly what I wanted and I asked my other trail running friends what they would want in a bottle. I did quite a lot of questioning of people. They sent me a few samples where the bottom was harder like the top. I said absolutely no way, because if it's in a pocket or in a pack and then it's tight, it's going to rub on you and make you chafe, so it had to be perfect.

Speaker 2 13:23

You said you tested it. Did you also have your running trail friends? Test it as well?

Speaker 3 13:30

I asked them to help me with some of the marketing. I did photo shoots with them and in exchange I would give them bottles to taste and things like that oh that's cool, wonderful.

Speaker 1 13:41

And I love the material you went with. It's heavy duty, ripping, ripping yeah, I don't know what you would call this if it's silicone or what.

Speaker 3 13:49

It's a type of plastic, but it is recyclable. You can recycle it Okay.

Speaker 2 13:55

Well, it's.

Speaker 3 13:56

It's food grade and it's BPA free. That was really important to me because I know a lot of outdoorsy people really care about these things. I certainly do. Being a plastic product, there's only so much you can do, but I wanted to do the maximum that we could.

Speaker 1 14:10

Plastics aren't all bad. They only account for about 3% of landfill space. If you reuse and recycle, it's very responsible. And heaven knows, we've seen thousands of environmentally friendly paper cups crushed up and tossed on the side of race courses.

Speaker 2 14:28

Yes, and we appreciate volunteers who pick them up? How long does the filter last before you need to replace it?

Speaker 3 14:36

Yeah, that's a good question. They couldn't really tell me an exact point. They said a couple of years and you will know If the taste hollow fibers crack and break physically they're not filtering, but until they get blocked they could get blocked and the water flow will stop and you'll know that it's time to replace. But there's no danger in it. If it's working, it should be good.

Speaker 1 15:14

Yeah, and see, that's great, those cartridges. In fact, let me check real quick You've got the ability to get additional cartridges on your website, correct?

Speaker 3 15:25

We don't, but we're working on that. I wanted to be like the one-stop bottle shop and be able to sell all the filters separately, the little bite valves I want to add straws if you need them, I want to sell replacement lids if you need another one, and I wanted to do it all separate. But with Amazon it's a little bit complicated and, yeah, it's a little bit complex, but we're getting there. We're still a baby company.

Speaker 1 15:46

Coming soon.

Speaker 2 15:47

You said it took six months to create it and when you got it, how long before it was on Amazon and what kind of process was that?

Speaker 3 15:54

So while I was doing the design, my husband, the expert, was doing the listing and the images. By the time the soft glass was ready within those six months, it took us a couple of weeks from there to make it live on Amazon. Wow.

Speaker 1 16:09

You moved quick at that point.

Speaker 2 16:11

Yeah, that is pretty efficient, offered in different combinations on Amazon.

Speaker 3 16:17

So you can buy a three-pack, which is just the bottle without the filters. That's three soft flasks with big openings. Then you can buy a soft flask with the filter, and that's a separate listing.

Speaker 2 16:30

If you were roadrunners doing organized races, you might want the ones without the filters. However, if you will use it for both purposes, then you have the complete package there as well.

Speaker 3 16:43

Exactly. And once you have the soft glass, they still have that little notch where you can attach the filter. So if you buy a three pack the plain ones and you have one with a filter, you can use that filter with all of the bottles.

Speaker 2 16:56

When you said years for the filter, I was thinking it would be like a printer cartridge situation where you would have to replace it also depends how much you use it in those years.

Creating and Testing the Product

Speaker 3 17:06

If you're going to be filtering three times a day, every day, then I would probably say it might break down within a year. But if you're going to use it once a week, it's going to be very different. That's why it's so difficult to tell, because you can't really say what it's going to break down and because it's a physical thing, you'll know if it can't filter anymore, then it's broken and that needs to be replaced so then it also came with instructions and first use direction.

Speaker 2 17:34

And yes, this situation right here packs they looked like breath mints. First to me, package like breath mints.

Speaker 1 17:44

You'll only make that mistake once.

Speaker 2 17:45

Can you tell the Runcation Nation what these are?

Speaker 3 17:49

Yes, of course this comes from my personal experience and I'm assuming other people have had the same. When you buy a plastic soft flask and fill it up for the first time, you're very excited and take it on your run. You take a sip, it out immediately and go why does it taste like plastic? So I was like okay, I know how I solve this problem. I do it with all my soft glass. I always soak them overnight with a spoonful of, then in the morning I just rinse it out and you never have that taste ever again. And if you ever need to refresh it, you just do that again again. So I thought how can I incorporate that I'm not going to send a little bag of white powder along with the bottle? Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 18:27

American law enforcement.

Speaker 3 18:28

would love that Can you imagine Exactly Some foreigner trying to sell stuff on Amazon. So anyway, I found these tablets. They're just pure baking soda tablets. Oh look, what is this kitty's name? It's Garfield.

Speaker 2 18:43

Garfield, that's perfect.

Speaker 3 18:45

He's enormous, he's been booted. He's so loud he doesn't stop meowing.

Speaker 2 18:52

His name is Bruce and you can hear him no matter where he is in the house.

Speaker 3 18:55

Bruce is such a good name for a cat.

Speaker 2 18:57

He's brilliant. Yeah, he's so cute.

Speaker 3 19:02

Animals with human names. Such a good name for a cat, yeah, brilliant, yeah, he's so cute. So I found these baking soda tablets and I thought I'm just going to throw two of those in the box. You got two, right, yes, okay. And then I wrote a whole instruction sheet on what to do with them. The instructions say you should just put them in the bottle overnight with some water, when you first get it, and then the next day give it a good wash.

Speaker 2 19:18

Should you repeat that process during the use of it?

Speaker 3 19:23

So if it ever gets any sort of smell, if you've used a drink mix in it or without the filter and you left it in your pack overnight by mistake or something like that, and it starts smelling funky, you just need to soak it with some baking soda and the next day wash it out and it'll be all good. It's actually a really great tip for any bladder, soft glass, anything like that. You can always use baking soda to refresh them. And then the other thing I do is I always keep them in the freezer when I'm done with them. I get home, give it a rinse, chuck it in the freezer and sort it, because you'll never get mold that way if you store them in a humid climate.

Speaker 1 20:02

Absolutely. What might be worse than the flavor of the plastic from the bladder or from the soft pack is the flavor of penicillin when you take a sip out of it. I need to cleanse this. We need to purge it, so that's a great tip, not only for these, but for any big bladder.

Speaker 1 20:19

I'm excited for what's to come when you mention straws being able to put something like this on your shoulder and then have a straw with a bite valve or, you know, on the side of your backpack or it would fit in a vest this is also going to appeal to that ultralight crew, that subculture of campers and runners creating arguments online about going down to the gram in terms of total weight you're carrying, if you're not familiar with the equipment they use for camping the tents, the backpacks, they're all made of materials that are just super space age, very light. They can still sometimes carry 35, 40 pounds total on a camping trip and that's it they've got everything that they need, and that that includes food and everything.

Speaker 1 21:08

But to have something like this, where you can that weighs next to nothing, yeah and you're as long as you've got a water source nearby exactly like you said we are big fans of element oh yeah you love element.

Speaker 3 21:21

It's so good for electrolytes.

Speaker 2 21:23

We need it because of the humidity and heat so you can use it in here. You just put it in the bottom before you travel or put the water in there and then I'm guessing, for those uses you don't want the filter in exactly.

Speaker 3 21:37

you just stick it in your pocket or in one of the pockets on your vest, on your pack, and then, when it's empty and you want to refill, you just attach it. That's why it was important for me that you could remove it and put it back.

Speaker 2 21:48

The filter.

Speaker 3 21:49

Because there's various different liquids that you're going to be using in it, by the way, you don't want that, because you need that.

Speaker 1 21:55

Put it in, then you filter it.

Race Distances and Trail Events

Speaker 2 21:56

Oh, that's because yesterday I brought it to a race that was entirely on a beach, daisy, and I didn't use the filter because they had water stops where I could fill up the bottle and it was fine. But if you have salt water and it's not like an electrolyte drink, will the filter that out, so that it. I don't know, I'm bad at science.

Speaker 1 22:19

We haven't. Will this do salt water? I don't know'm bad at science. We have it. Will this do salt water? I don't know, but I doubt it.

Speaker 2 22:30

Salination is quite a specific process which I'm not familiar with. You probably clog up your filter super quick. It's a lot of salt. Yeah, it's a lot of salt, no, okay and most trail runs aren't going on.

Speaker 3 22:36

That is so. I did it right. Watch us run down to the beach to taste this tomorrow, if you do let us know how it goes.

Speaker 2 22:43

Report back. What kind of feedback did you get from people when you started to put it out there in terms of testimonials and use?

Speaker 3 22:55

yeah, we've had really good feedback for the guys that I gave the filters in exchange for their time to do photo shoots with me. They're all pretty serious ultra runners, training for five plus hours a day on weekends. They needed something like this. They were drinking the river water, not filtered, also getting a lot of GI stuff where I'd be like maybe it's from that river water. They were really happy. They've been training with them ever since. They haven't stopped using them.

Speaker 3 23:25

As I said, nothing's perfect, but the one complaint we've had is with the faster guys. The flow isn't fast enough for them because you can't really gulp because it's going through the filter, it's going to be slower. But there's a little work around. That I do when I'm trying to run faster is that I will stop at a river, I'll refill the bottle and then I just take off the little bite valve and refill my other bottle with the filtered water. I actually turn it upside down and I'll pour it into another bottle and then, once that bottle's filtered, I'll close it up and drink that bottle with a faster flow'll close it up and drink that bottle with a faster flow while I'm running, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 24:04

It makes total sense.

Speaker 3 24:05

I just use it as like a filter, not like a bottle.

Speaker 1 24:08

I just use it as like a jug filter on the go and they're light anyway, I've seen that type of setup for camping have a bladder, a filter, in the connector that goes to another bag. That is super smart to be able to do that on the go. Okay, those setups are like two or three liter bags hanging on a tree.

Speaker 3 24:26

I've seen these ever do this, where they hang them up and let it drip through. It's exactly like that, except I squeeze it. Hurry up.

Speaker 1 24:33

That's perfect, and to be able to do it on the go is fantastic.

Speaker 2 24:37

Yeah, so it seems like it's good for short fantastic.

Speaker 3 24:42

Yeah, so it seems like it's good. For short, I know that I tested it in the 5k Back from injury.

Speaker 2 24:45

How far have you taken it and what running distances?

Speaker 3 24:49

So I'm not one of those hundred mile runners yet. Don't know if it will happen in my future, but we have a couple of those in our runcation nation too.

Speaker 2 25:00

Yes, we have Coach Twigs and Dean Gerber out there. So, as you're listening to this episode, that's you guys. That's epic.

Speaker 3 25:06

Much respect to all the miler runners out there. My favorite racing distance at the moment is 30 to 58 kilometers. I don't know what that would be in miles, do you guys know?

Speaker 1 25:17

She's going to find out Kilometers, 32 kilometers and 58 kilometers.

Speaker 3 25:22

I race anything from 20 to 58 at the moment, but I am thinking about signing up for my first 100K this year.

Speaker 2 25:29

Okay, it says 58 is 36 point.

Speaker 3 25:34

That's the longest race I've ever done.

Speaker 2 25:36

And then 100 would be 62.1.

Speaker 1 25:41

That's a.

Speaker 3 25:42

I did my longest race this last year and I qualified to go to OCC at UTMB the World Series Finals in August this year. Congratulations, that's the aim. It's in France. So yeah, I'm going to try and get there, but if I don't, I'll make a plan at some point.

Speaker 2 26:03

So what is this event that you've qualified for in August?

Speaker 3 26:07

It's called UTMB Ultra Trail Mont Blanc and it's the World Series final. They hold races across the world and you eventually qualify to go and do one of the races in Chamonix in August.

Speaker 2 26:18

Is that the most recent thing on your race calendar?

Speaker 3 26:22

Yeah, I have a few races coming up In another couple of weeks. I'm about to do a 30K on the island. It will be pretty fast and a little bit technical with about 2000 meters of climbing. And then I'm doing a mountain marathon in South Africa in May, which is 42.2. I'm just trying not to get injured at the moment eating enough, drinking enough and trying to stay on top of any niggles.

Speaker 1 26:51

Absolutely. You don't want to run past the threshold of irritation.

Speaker 2 26:55

Yes, because you want to show up at the start line, exactly.

Speaker 1 26:58

Do you have a race in mind that you've done in the past that you would consider to be a must-do for runners?

Speaker 3 27:06

Oh, it's so difficult if I'm speaking to an American audience because I can't tell you to come to Mauritius. It's this tiny little island off the coast.

Speaker 1 27:14

We are technically international.

Speaker 2 27:16

We are international. We have people in Canada.

Nutrition, Hydration and Post-Race Celebrations

Speaker 3 27:18

Germany. I just feel like America has so much to offer. It's a huge continent that if you want to travel you can come to Mauritius or South Africa. The one I would say that anyone should try is Ultra Trail Cape Town. It's in Cape Town every November, the end of November, and it attracts a lot of international runners. You guys have had a lot of athletes come and perform really well. Jim came and did it and Wormsley Jim Wormsley Okay, yeah, he came and did it and won it. Courtney DeWalter was there a few years ago and she came and won it. Every year there's a whole US team and it's a beautiful race. It showcases the best that Cape Town has to offer, because you can do the 100 mile and see the entire coast. You see the Indian Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, you have views from Table Mountain. So, yeah, it's got everything that a good trail race should have and it's got the vibe and the community too. We always look forward to sharing that with our international runners.

Speaker 2 28:19

It's always good to be able to because, like we always say, the nicest people you'll ever meet are runners.

Speaker 1 28:26

Absolutely.

Speaker 3 28:27

It's so true. It's so true. I don't know if it makes us nicer or if nice people are attracted to running, but you're so right. It's such a supportive, warm community. You can go anywhere in the world and as long as you find a couple of runners, you're good. You'll have a great time.

Speaker 2 28:42

And people motivate you.

Speaker 1 28:43

It's the trauma bond of everyone having been out there for the miles and in the heat, and you understand that a mile is a mile or a kilometer is a kilometer, regardless of your speed. I think there's that bond there for sure.

Speaker 3 29:00

When you carry hydration in a race, what do you put in your hydro flask? I usually do one flask of tailwind. I love tailwind. I've always used it.

Speaker 1 29:06

Fans.

Speaker 3 29:07

Always with caffeine. The caffeine is a non-negotiable for me. The Tailwind flavors that are caffeine, I think, are the raspberry, the raspberry and a few of the others do have it. So yeah, tailwind with caffeine in one flask, and then in the other flask I do an electrolyte. If I'm in a very hot situation, I'll have one of plain water. Always, plain water is a must.

Speaker 2 29:29

Yeah, do you carry any nutrition?

Speaker 3 29:34

Yes, so I tend to use gels or energy drink at the distances that I'm racing, like the 20s, 30s, 40s. It's all a little bit fast too. I tried half a sandwich in my 50k last year and I actually I just couldn't.

Speaker 3 29:50

I'm quite jealous of the people that can eat real food during a race. For me, I'm all about the gels. I use a lot of SIS, science and Sport, those isotonic gels. Those are really good. So between tailwind and gels, that's usually my feeling, and I try to get between 60 to 100 grams of carb per hour. In a race. You do music or run. I listen to podcasts a lot when I run.

Speaker 1 30:19

Me too.

Speaker 3 30:19

Yes, we love it, we love it. And then music and races. When I'm struggling with motivation, you need a little bit of a kick in the butt. Then you put your music on.

Speaker 2 30:31

Okay, We've talked about nutrition during a race. We've talked about hydration during a race. Let's talk about crossing the finish line and then celebrating. With what food and what beverage? Where have you found the best celebratory meals and beverages?

Speaker 3 30:47

That is such a good question. Certainly not. Russia, it's the future is subpar. South africa, it's an island. Everything is imported. It's very sad, yeah, but yeah, in south africa definitely, my go-to post-race meal is always a burger. I just need that protein. It's just the perfect combination of protein and carb and everything. And then post race generally, like at ultras and at trail races in South Africa, you get handed a beer or like some sort of ale at the end, which works really well for recovery. Yeah, nothing like an ice cold beer as you cross that line, right.

Speaker 2 31:25

Yes, Like a lighter one I'm not going for.

Speaker 1 31:28

I know we like stouts and no, not for post race.

Speaker 2 31:31

Yeah, this is not the time for that. Something light, and easy, like a lager or yes, very good.

Speaker 1 31:39

So, daisy, where can the Runcation Nation connect with you online social media and where can they get their very own Ergotrail flask?

Speaker 3 31:50

You can check out the Ergotrail product on Amazon. You can search for them or I will send you a link. I wanted to offer you a discount code for your audience, so it will be a decent one. I just have to speak to the Amazon expert. In terms of finding us on social media, we are on Instagram. Ergo underscore trail and daisy underscore myberg is my running and trail running instagram thank you for the discount code.

Speaker 1 32:18

We're going to have links to everything in the show notes, your social media, where to get the ergo trail flask and website information on the discount code, and then the website with all the testimonials.

Speaker 2 32:29

Our website.

Speaker 3 32:29

Our website is sorry. You're right, we do have a website. We're not only on Instagram.

Speaker 2 32:34

We just want to tell everybody everywhere you know yes, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 32:38

That's amazing. I love how you support small businesses and entrepreneurs. Our website is ergotrailcom and you can find it.

Speaker 1 32:46

And I'm on the website right now. It's a great site, it's a fantastic product and we are just excited to tell the Runcation Nation about it. We're grateful for having you on the show today.

Speaker 3 32:57

Thank you for the discount. I'm definitely going to be listening to more of your podcasts on my runs. Thank you so much for discussing the bottle with me.

Speaker 2 33:06

Oh yeah, we can't wait to follow it and keep up with all the latest innovations as you add to it, because it sounds like you're very passionate about it.

Speaker 1 33:15

You can come back on the show anytime and tell us about what's next and new for the Ergo Trail line.

Speaker 3 33:21

I appreciate it and I hope you guys will come and visit me in South Africa. I will show you all the wine farms and food. The food there is next level Wine.

Speaker 2 33:30

That sounds amazing. It's not breweries, it's wine farms.

Speaker 3 33:34

There are breweries, we can do as well.

Speaker 2 33:37

But you're a fan of the wine farms.

Speaker 3 33:39

The wine farms in South Africa offer a holistic experience of food and wine views, places for kids to run and play, pools to swim in and vegetable gardens to look at. It's just unreal.

Speaker 1 33:52

Thank you very much again for coming on the show today Daisy. We are looking forward to exploring and indulging with you at some point in the not-too-distant future.