Cold Open Verdict Clips

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19-year-old Carmelo Anthony has been found guilty of murder in the death of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf. Metcalf was fatally stabbed at a high school track meet, as you may recall, last year.

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He should have killed both of them. He should have killed both them Pepper Wolves. With a n that's minding his mother business that don't bring harm to nobody. This kid ain't a bad kid. These bully white boys just f with the black baby.

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The jury unanimously find the defendant, Chi K Rick Chow, as to the charge of murder. Not guilty. Find number 302, four person, June the first, two thousand twenty-six. Madam Forley was used her verdict and the verdict of the entire jury. Yes, madam was. Thank you.

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Johnny Dang and now another Chinese motherfucker ain't never done nothing for us, huh? They didn't cry when two mirror rights die. They didn't stand up with mics, bro. Even in our stores, nigga. Our kids can't go in their stores and just shop free. The million backpack at the door. You know, come in here. Nigga, they do my kids bad. And they sell stale candy, outdated food to our people, and they would kill our children behind that stale candy. Nigga, they spot shit. They shot Natasha Harlan in the head. Nigga, we still ain't done nothing about that. How the fuck they get a pass, nigga, and somebody do something to them bitches, and within one year of a president, these bitches got all kind of laws enacted. 1-800 nigga bad as niggas been done in this country, homie. And they ain't never spoke one time for us.

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See, but what Martin Luther King was doing, he was taking young men and women and marching into places where he wanted us to be able to sit down. Elijah Muhammad said, don't go where you're not one.

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I thought this was America, people. Yeah. Guilty until proven innocent, huh? That's how we working, huh? Okay. Before me there was many. After me there would be none. I'm but one.

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Uh-huh.

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Okay, I see how we playin'. Yeah.

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I must my life I have to fight, nigga. I'm fucked up, homie, you fucked up, but I gotta get weakon be em all right.

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Nigga be gonna be em all right. Nigga be gonna be em alright. Nigga, we'll beat them all right. Nigga be gonna be em alright.

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Nigga, hit me, nigga, be me, big beat them on right. Uh-huh. And when I wake up, I recognize you lookin' at me for the penny cut. But I'ma stop me looking at you from the face down. I'm making love and boom with the face down. Skimmin, and let me tell you about my life. Penny killers come and put me in the twilight. With pretty pussy and pigeon, it's the highlight. I tell my mama I love her with this one. I like love number 20 moment, my shirt. Tell her mama, come and get me reapin' everything I slowed so my comma comma heaven. No but I'm never hearing us on my record. I'ma motherfuckin' case spinna silence for the record. Uh mum, go to mama, baby. But you please bring me when I say when you know, we bing upin' the number four. Nigga, when I print up was glum. Looking at the world like where do we go? Nigga, and we hit pump pom. When the killers dead in the street, push up. Nigga, I'm at the preachers dumb. My knees getting weak and my gum might blow, but we gon' beat him.

Why Race Shapes Both Trials

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Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Powerful intro.

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You know, just some Kendrick. Like the words of Faircon, Hove, Kendrick. And when a nigga write, a nigga right. Charleston White was talking that shit. Okay, people, we usually intro the show if you tapped in weekly. Today we getting straight to it. This is called Cases on Cases. That's what this episode is called, Cases on Cases. We will be talking about Carmelo Anthony's trial, and we will be talking about Ricky Chow's trial. Now, before I get into this, I want to make it clear. I don't give a fuck who is right or wrong right now when I say this, but just understand, race played a part in both scenarios. And if you can't see that like it's at this point, it's not even the whole like what are you looking at? The whole world, I I don't want to never hear nobody talk about they don't see the world in color. That's just not true. Now, the first even the blind person sees the world in color once they know what your race is. Stevie. Right one I mean not right one, Stevie. But the first case I want to talk about is the Carmelo Anthony case. Now, we're going to get into the facts. I got a video, uh, a good video we can react to, um, just with some of the court proceedings. There's a black dude who was just he's just like a journalist. He was in the court. Yeah, and he was a guest on this YouTuber show just telling us how the trial went. Fuck opinions, fuck that, just how the trial went, what was kind of said on the stand, and this is before the guilty verdict came out. Okay. Now, before we get into the facts, how do you feel about all of this? Not all of it, just the Carmelo Anthony verdict. Before we get into the facts. The verdict itself. I mean whatever, however you feel about it, what transpired, anything. The um Okay, so the the events themselves took took place so long ago that I I felt I I feel the same way I felt about that.

SPEAKER_08 6:26

Um nobody He was entering the fucking tent at a track meet. Like I don't see where this escalated in this into somebody losing their life. Like, this was insane.

SPEAKER_07 6:36

That's the part that confuses me as well. This is insane. I don't I don't see what's going on here. You're at a high school track meet, it starts to rain, so you enter the closest tent so you don't get rained on. That doesn't seem like those uh those events in that order don't seem like they should end up with with life lost. Still still to this day. Okay now what I will say to my black people, because you know, you gotta talk to black people and you gotta talk to white people. Well fuck that. I'm gonna talk to both because maybe one side, well, maybe one side the white might understand what I'm saying, but I know black people's gonna understand what I'm saying. Now white people black people are tired of you just telling them where they can go in general. All of this, while we're upset, even though some of us may feel like Carmelo Anthony is wrong and it shouldn't make maybe have escalated to him stabbing him, all of this is from that energy of you know being in a neighborhood, and maybe you want to drive through this luxurious neighborhood because you want to be inspired and you want to just what uh what's it called when you see things and then you want to bring it into f fruition?

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Like you want to um, like you say, you're inspired by some shit, but you want to um yeah, like you say, seeing into fruition. You wanna uh I can't.

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Well, well, well, I I'll I'll I'll get it. But um, and then let's say you're riding around that neighborhood trying to trying to get inspired. Speak it into existence. Yeah, speaking things into existence, seeing things into existence. Next thing you know, you got white people asking you what you doing here. And then when you can't properly display to them why you're there or why they feel like you should be there, you get cops called on you. Now you're a threat. This is from that same energy of you can't even drive through the areas and do Amazon. You can't even be an Amazon driver and come down the wrong neighborhood without being harassed, cops called on you. And you will be corrupt in handcuffs. In a whole uniform, and people still gonna ask you, what are you doing here? We always need a reason to be anywhere. While white people get to roam the world freely, at least the best parts of the world. So I do think Carmelo, this is what I'm gonna say before the facts. I do think Carmelo Anthony is wrong, but I'm telling y'all, white people, my people is fighting ignorance with ignorance. And we can't always respond to a situation, black people. I'm talking we can't always respond to a situation on an individual level when our consequences are macro. Where it's like no matter what you do as an individual person, you gotta insert these same standards no matter what which way this the situation transpires. Now, not to call any of y'all slow, but what I mean by macro, long story short, systematically. So, you know, I I do believe in a higher power, so I can't really always justify life loss. So I do want to say R.I.P. to Austin Metcalf. I don't feel like anybody deserves to die, so I do want to say R.I.P. to him. But y'all gotta stop telling black people, especially in this time and age, where to go. Where y'all go wrong as white people is y'all aren't the cops. Y'all aren't the authoritors or of who can go somewhere. Y'all should do more telling. If you don't like where we at, just keep calling the cops. But it ain't for y'all to keep coming up to us and asking us questions and then being mad when we're offended. We're offended because we got the freedom of travel, the freedom of every every freedom and privilege you got, whether y'all see it that way or not, we know we got it. If I didn't belong here, I'm probably the fact that if I didn't belong somewhere, it wouldn't even take you coming up to me to have to ask me what I'm doing here if I didn't belong here. I'd have been got the fuck up out of here. Soon as you would have seen me, I would have skedaddled if I didn't belong here. But the fact that you could fucking walk up to me and feel like you can ask me questions, let's you know you should already think you're in the wrong. If I ain't fucking trying to get up out of here, once you see me, I belong here. End of discussion. I don't care how you feel about if if I belong here or not, but I do. And the fact that it's again, I don't know how y'all keep saying the world don't fit, y'all don't feel this way in color, because we see it all the time. If he was a white boy, man, he would have been in that tent, no problem. On the opposite team or anything. Because that that was the only difference between him and them him and them uh uh them young boys. It was all track, he just went to a different team. He was from a different school and he was black. And I'm saying if he was white from a different school, he would have been okay. Can't see it playing out like that. I also don't think the white boy would have stabbed the other white boy either, but at the same time, I don't think he would have got bothered because y'all don't bother them. Y'all bother us. Oh, y'all bother us. Go stand in the very end of the corner of the tent. Nigga, we doing team shit over here. You go to go isolate yourself somewhere over there. White people bother people in general. The reason why skateboarding couldn't even be skateboarding is because white people like, oh, stop grinding on my little piece of cement. They don't belong here at the mall. Yeah, like what's up? They love telling people places. But we know where all this comes from. Yeah, there was a time and day where y'all could roam the world telling people where they belong and how far they can travel and what square area they can occupy, and they had to do that for their whole lives.

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And they still try to do it to this day with redlining and shit like that.

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But what I would do want to tell y'all before we get into this fact of this Carmelo case, there's always been free niggas. Don't let them lie to you. All ways.

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Have your intelligence, get your money up.

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Some things they just can't keep you keep away from goddamn things, man. Gotta free your mind first, though.

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That's why it starts with your intelligence. Educate yourself.

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So right now we're going to react to this uh

Courtroom Reporting Without Cameras

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correspondent. I don't know his name, but he was up in there. Now, this is significant because there's no cameras in there. You know what I mean? It's a what's that called? A closed trial or whatever the case may be. So this is somebody who's reporting directly from the trial who was in there. Whether he's super credible or not, I can't say, but he is on a credible YouTube channel, and it's better than guessing what CNN or MSB, whatever Fox is going to throw at you based on their own narrative, versus somebody just telling you, hey, this is what happened in court, not who they think is right or wrong, based on the laws, how shit is gonna go. And that's what we're gonna get into. Well, you want me to pause this shit, just say anytime, anytime, right? Right. I like the people that who do this type of work though. People who go and sit in these trials and come back, like you said, with those with the facts. Fuck. No bias, no nothing. I'm here to inform the public. This is how it went down. And these are the stone calls. I like people who do this. These trial correspondence, people, I feel like they're doing good work.

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So shout out to whoever this is and the person, whoever's platform this is that hosted him to um to deliver this. Shout out to both of them because I fuck with this.

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Got you. So here we go.

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And joining us now from the courthouse, Cody Thomas. Cody, great to see you. Um, wow, what a case. So you are our eyes and ears inside the courtroom. Obviously, cameras have been uh prohibited, microphones prohibited. Um, give us an idea of where the def we're in the defense case, right? Where the defense is going.

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Yeah. Yeah, so this is uh day two of the defenses case, Vinny. We know we had a Saturday session a few days ago. I was in there. Uh the defense got in three witnesses after the state rested. The state rested after only 21 witnesses being called. And today, so far, we're out of the lunch break now, but there were three witnesses called this morning. One student, an officer who was at the scene, and then another student. And the first student who was on the stand was, you know, giving his account of what went down, saying that the rain was coming down. They went into a dugout. Him, Carmelo, and about two or three other people went into a baseball dugout behind the stadium, to which a coach told them they couldn't be there, so they came back out. That's one student who was testifying, a minor, so I can't name him, but he testified about warming up on the field uh along with his four by 100 meter team, and then Carmelo going back in the bleachers. Uh, he didn't see Carmelo again for a few minutes until he looked up in the stands and saw uh what he described as, you know, a crowd under the mo under the memorial tent with Carmelo there. He noticed his teammates. He says he recounts people standing up. He says that he was walking towards the bleachers because he heard a commotion. He looked away for a second, and then he saw, you know, a bunch of kids sporadically, you know, running from under the tent, and then he saw Carmelo running off, and of course, he's describing the moments um that the stabbing happened. But under cross-examination, Venny, when the prosecutor came up, the prosecutor brought the video back up, the video of the surveillance video of the situation, and he brought up where the kid would be warming up on the field. So you see him, and then you see where the stabbing was going down. And the prosecution challenged it because the kid's account says that he was walking towards the bleachers uh because he heard some things happening. He paused it, he's like, Boom. The prosecutor literally says, Boom, in the middle of the courtroom, he's like, This is where the stabbing happened, and you're still standing right here. Okay, so then that happens, and the kids, you know, just going through the motions again, and then the prosecutor was like, We've spoken before. And the kid's like, Yes, sir. He's like, When I showed you this video when we spoke, you admitted to me that you were wrong about some of your accounts. And the kid agreed that he was wrong, and his eyes were open after the meeting that he had with the prosecutors before this trial. So it was a very challenging moment. I don't like

Witness Credibility And Possible Coaching

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that.

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Right, pause it. I don't like that at all. What you mean your eyes was open after you had a meeting with the prosecutors? Where was your parents? Where was your lawyer? Why was you just like even the prosecution being able to say that so freely in court? Like, bro, as my lawyer, I hope you would have stood up right there. Yeah, ooh, ooh, ooh, we got a problem with that. What you talking about? When you talk to my client, I wasn't there, I wasn't notified, and he's a Was his parents there? They probably was there. But that's what I'm seeing y'all niggas But the parents and whoever else, I'm basically saying no matter who coached them, it just sounds like there was some. It just sounded like some coaching. Yeah. That's what it sounds like to me. Now, what I do have from the story that I did not know was that they were told to get out of somewhere else too. Right. Everybody. Yeah, so that makes you know what I mean? Like, if that's my kid outside looking in, if you're not around me, motherfuckers shouldn't be telling you to get out of two and three places in one day. Now it sounds like you just in some bullshit. To me, not just some bullshit, but it's like when they start warming up, where'd you disappear to? You weren't under the tent. Why do some kids feel like was it still raining? Why are some kids warming up on the field if it's raining and you under this tent? Because I was under the impression it was raining the whole time. And I thought they got told they couldn't be in one area while it was raining, so they went to the area they were supposed to be. Yeah, no, that's not what is that what that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. But let's continue. Sound like some coercion, but let's just let's keep going. Now we can't really take these testimonies all the way because like we said, it already sounds like there's some people's being coerced.

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There with that first witness minute.

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All right, man.

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We gotta get these ads past these ads, man. All right, bad, we done. Yeah, I ain't paying for YouTube premium. Pay for enough subscription. Shit, I'm about to.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

Let me ask you, Cody, a big picture question here. And obviously, this is difficult for children testifying in a murder trial, right? That's tough. We know eyewitness accounts. You have seven people, you get seven to different versions. We get it. Um, but here you have different high schools. Is the testimony breaking down in any way where, you know, the kids from Memorial are seeing one thing and kids from Centennial are seeing something different. You know, Centennial Carmelo School versus Austin School. Is that playing out inside the courtroom that we're getting two different versions of what's happening here?

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It actually is not, Vinny. And the way I've described it is that the story is like a tree. It's the same trunk, but different branches. The foundations of the story are the same, but there's some minor details that may have shifted. As, for example, some of the kids say that the push was one arm, some say it was two arms, some say it looked like maybe a slight punch, some say the push wasn't aggressive, some say both of the kids were getting aggressive, but the situation, there's there's commonalities between them all. And the main one being that Carmelo eventually put his hand in that book bag saying, Touch me and see what happens. 100% of the students, not only the prosecution's witnesses, the defense's witnesses as well, the student witnesses have said this same thing. Which leaves me, you know, the defense, I would imagine they they would have called student witnesses that were testifying in favor of Carmelo, but it seems that, you know, the facts are the facts here. And they're walking down this story and not the big pictures of the story haven't changed, only minor details in it. Again, like the pushing, whether it was one hand, two hands, or whatever.

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Damn, so how does he win? Exactly. How does he win when your witnesses like even even if the prosecution did do a little coercion, it sounds like no, no matter what the defense did, they they couldn't. The story was the fucking story. It sounded like everybody like, yo, he was bugging a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. You can't go from pushing somebody or even being pushed to saying to reaching in the back saying, yo, touch me again and see what happens. Now, like I said, y'all, I was talking to black people in the beginning, slash white, but to my people now. I mean, wait, I was talking to black people in the beginning a little bit, but I was talking mostly to white people. Now I'm talking to my people now.

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Yeah.

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I don't like how this sounds. I don't. And I I hate, I hate when it has to when when when we even had to say this to each other because again, we know there might have been some something, some type of underlying tone, and however they was trying to tell Carmelo to do whatever, whatever the case may be. But damn my nigga. Damn. Everybody. That that left not one person. That's everybody, like, yo. Uh and that's what I and that's why that was a good a great question by the person. Talk about, yo, well, is there different versions coming from different schools? Because you you figure in in the in the white kids' school, yo, nah. Yeah, you think and and then and then in Carmelo's school, like, nah, Carmelo was but it's the same, it's the same all way around. Right. The story is the fucking story. Now, now people, I'm not saying that he should do any type of time. I'm just basically saying how does he win right with facts like that on the table. When your team can't do nothing for you. You know some of us, I ain't gonna lie to y'all, some of us would have got up there and lied. Thousand percent. Just so a nigga can win. Just to put some doubt, because this is a murder trial. All you need is a slight, it's gotta be beyond a reasonable doubt. So if I could get up there and say some shit that's gonna throw some doubt in somebody's mind, then I'ma do that for my man. But bruh, if if the if if I get up there and say that and then it come back, and then that perjury charge falls back on me because they put a hundred niggas up here and I'm the only nigga who swore the story went different, I look crazy. I'm gonna start pleading the fifth. Nah, now that you think about it, I'm gonna say what the other dude said. Yeah, I saw it clearer. So wait, wait, boom, we got him. Oh, damn. Wait, huh? Ah Yeah. Ah, my my memory's off. I don't recollect. But let's go.

SPEAKER_06 22:51

Have you whether they were sitting or standing, but the big picture parts about the hand in the book bag, the touch me and see what happens, the phrasing, they all said they weren't really scared about something happening because they thought it was just two boys at a competition mouthing off at each other, you know, being from different schools. They all said that not only did Austin ask him to leave, that multiple people under, you know, the Memorial tent asked him to leave because the way they describe this tent culture, they've had coaches on the stand from all these different schools talking about how each tent is, you know, like the locker room, and you wouldn't hang out in an opposing team's locker room. So again, same trunk of the tree, just some slightly different branches coming off. See, Paul's doesn't sound good.

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And this will, and that's why I'm saying the facts that I was under the fact that it's a torrential downpour.

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That's the only way I could see you in another team's tent. You are literally like, because that you know, I at track meets once there's lightning, they clear the field.

SPEAKER_08 23:43

Right. Everything's done. So I'm thinking we under them circumstances, but if there's still some niggas out on the field warming up, why is you in here, bro? Travel to your tent.

SPEAKER_07 23:54

But I'm under the impression that it's pouring down, raining. This is the closest tent you just ran to, you could get to, whatever the case may be.

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But that's not seeming to be the case here.

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That's not what it sounds like at all. Now, people, let's not ignore the facts of what the witness said in court. I know we fill away, and but this is this is some good journalism, y'all. This is one of the few people in the world who was in the room. Right. There's what, eight, nine billion? This was like maybe one of, let's say a hundred. Maybe less than that. You know what I mean? I was about to say sixty max. Of even people who can talk. Jury can. Right. You know what I mean? A lot of people can't.

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Exactly. I'm gonna account for everybody in the room.

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But yeah, people that that that I'm just keeping on. Doesn't sound good. And the branches aren't breaking down by school to school. And when we're talking about this, don't look at this as some morality thing, because the truth is you should keep your hands to yourself. But we're talking about the court proceedings. That's what we're speaking on.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

Yeah. Just witness to witness, like in any other case that we would have, where, you know, five people see a car accident, and you know, there's gonna be slightly different versions, maybe different colors of the car. Uh it I've seen that happen uh inside a courtroom. Okay, so the tent seems to be a big issue here. We

The Tent Question And Motives

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keep talking about what's happening under the tent, and that brings us to another big question. Why is he there to begin with? Does the defense have a different explanation? Or what is the defense explanation as to why Carmelo Anthony would be under the tent of a different high school? Like you said, like being in another high school's locker room. You wouldn't do that in a gym. Um, I never did track. I I think you're a track guy. I think you had to have some track issue. I did. I did in high school, yeah. Yeah, so explain what the defense andor the witnesses are saying about that um as an explanation. Because to me, it doesn't make sense, but I'm trying to figure out why he would be there to begin with.

SPEAKER_06 26:09

Right. So there's two narratives that the defense is putting on as far as why he was under the tent. One, they're talking about, you know, this big rain. And a lot of the students have talked about this rain coming down. They said, you know, it's Texas weather out here. It'll come down heavy, then it'll stop and get just a little nasty and yucky and be a little misty, and then it could come right back. Similar to Florida. I know you're very familiar with Florida rain down there too. But um, they talked about, you know, this he wouldn't want to be standing out there soaked. And uh oddly enough, Centennial was the only team out there with no tent that day. That's a big thing they're harping on. And so when this rain started coming down, they're saying Carmelo was in the bleachers just looking for somewhere to get out of the rain. And then see?

SPEAKER_07 26:46

Now we the only high school out here with nowhere to be when it rained. There we go. Yeah. And they already kicked me out of the dugout, which we thought could have been just a public space, because that's nobody's tent. That's just the where the baseball team play. Right. Telling you go somewhere else and I ain't nowhere to go. I ain't got nowhere to go. My high school don't got a tent. Leave me the fuck alone. What you want me to do? It's porn. Alright, so I grab my shit. Now I got a reason. Now you see what I'm saying? I got a reason to be there, but we're justifying a reason. We're looking for reasons to defend yourself because he's claiming self-defense. So in order to claim self-defense, you gotta kind of prove that your life was in danger. Yeah.

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Pounding upon that, we heard about this uh kid named Eddie. Eddie is uh an adult now, so we can identify him. They talked about this kid named Eddie who was childhood friends with one of Car with Carmelo's ex-girlfriend at the time. And there Eddie was under the memorial tent. He went to memorial high school, and over the weekend on Saturday, he actually testified. Now we've heard this Eddie character in opening statements. We've heard that uh from several other student witnesses that Carmelo came up, began to give Eddie.

SPEAKER_07 27:59

All right, now, people, remember when you were seeing things like, oh, he was there talking to his friend. This is the friend they're talking about. So a nigga who went to this high school. Didn't go to his high school, he went to another high school.

SPEAKER_08 28:09

No, no, no. The high school whose tentises. He went to the same high school as the white boys. Used to go to high school with uh with Carmelo.

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Keep listening. I just want people to understand. No, he was cool with Carmelo's ex. Right. And that's how he knew Carmelo. Got you. Okay. So they never went to high school together. Never went to high school together. Okay. Now that's the person they're talking about, people. Eddie. I know y'all heard of this person who was his friend. You have Chris, right? Right. Okay. Let's just get that together. I'm not saying what I think. I'm just saying that's the person. When it when I first heard of, when I first heard of his man's, I thought him and his man went to the same school. They was just together under this tent.

SPEAKER_06 28:47

So his man. Now we've heard this Eddie character in opening statements. We've heard that uh from several of the student witnesses that Carmelo came up, kind of gave Eddie a handshake, you know, as if they were, you know, really close friends. But then Eddie got up on the stand on Saturday and all but said, like, yeah, we were cool. I knew him. I he, you know, knew the girl or was dating the girl I grew up with, but I wouldn't say we were really good friends, which was shocking to me because we've heard that name so many times. And then for him to say that, but then the defense challenged back because Eddie was like, Yeah, I know him, but we we don't know each other that well. But then the defense came back with several pictures, picture after picture, seven or eight or nine pictures of Carmelo and uh Eddie.

SPEAKER_07 29:27

Don't work like that in high school, Chris. What? All right, maybe not today. Okay. Like I can't say because somebody got four or three pictures with somebody.

SPEAKER_08 29:37

My man beat a fed case like this, man. Fucking rat try to get up there, talk about he ain't know the he nigga. We got pictures of y'all niggas growing up together, bro. Cut it out.

SPEAKER_07 29:44

Yes, but growing up's different than in the last two or three years at a party. This is the same thing you were saying with the uh McKenzie and the Yeah, people be it's high school, two weeks could seem like forever. We did so much. And maybe, and maybe Carmelo thought he was his friend, but now he knows. Nigga, you just knew. You just nigga, I might have been hit. Come on, come on, man. Come on. Yeah, we don't want to do this. He's gonna do enough.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

In the same photos at Eddie's house for no birthday parties and oh shit, now I for yo time out, time out, time out. At the crib, birthday parties.

SPEAKER_07 30:21

Birthday parties is crazy. But again, you might have just been there with my old work. No, might have just been there with my old work. I wanted my old work to come through, and she had to bring her new nigga because it would look like girls do do that. Come on. Oh, my friend. My friend, can my friend come to your party? Yeah, I don't care. Nigga probably, yeah, clap, clap, clap. Wow. Now, the only reason why me and Chris pondered on that in that way is because that doesn't mean to us that they were friends. Yeah. It doesn't. Well, you when you know friendship and you know how fickle it is when you kids and all of that, because let's, let's, me and Chris have to be right. Because he got on the stand and said, That ain't my nigga like that. He said that that that'll be forever documented in a case. Could never be friends again. Even if we was friends, we could never, even no matter how cool I thought we was, it'll never be nothing like that ever again.

SPEAKER_08 31:19

I want you guys on the stand and said some shit like that.

SPEAKER_07 31:21

Now, we do know he got convicted 35 years, but God, like if he gets appealed, you're not coming to my next birthday party. Nah, don't laugh, Chris, because we're not laughing this episode. Yeah. Fuck as you talk about. Well, yeah, all right. Because the birthday party, right when I heard it, it got me. A high school birthday party at your crib. We close enough for you to shut the fuck up right now. But it or at least not say, yeah, exactly. At least not say nothing. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I fuck with him. Yeah, I fuck with him. We had a friend in common. He was cool. He was good to my he was, yeah. Come on, man. But then you gotta take for account he probably fucked with the white boy Austin. There's no telling if he did or not. Everybody probably fucked with him. Because even in the high school dynamics, just because you a bully, you still be cool within that. Especially with the niggas on your team. I'm sure you're not bullying the yeah, and I don't know uh if this kid is black or whatever, but I'm sure you're not bullying him like that. I think Eddie was black.

SPEAKER_08 32:23

Sure you're not bullying Eddie like that. And Eddie in Texas, he's either black or Mexican. I was just about to say that.

SPEAKER_07 32:29

Eddie's Mexican now. Definitely not bullying Eddie. All right, y'all, that's not the facts, but all right.

SPEAKER_06 32:35

There's group photos and there's photos of just them. So I thought that was kind of a win for the defense, showing, all right, saying you didn't know him, but here you are with eight or nine pictures together. So the narrative is that he was trying to get out of the rain. He knew Eddie. Eddie says they didn't really know each other, but the defense came and proved a little otherwise under their cross-examination on Saturday.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

And this is an important fact in all of this, and trying to sort through the facts of what happened under the tent. It all begins with, well, why was he there to begin with? So you've got rain. Some of but it seems other teammates were warming up. He's not warming up, he's not competing in the in the track meet, is my understanding, right? He's there sort of helping, but he was hurt.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

Come on, man. So his coach testified also on Saturday. That was the first uh defense's witness. We've heard the narrative that he wasn't competing. We've heard things about he was suspended from school. Nothing about the suspension has come up in this trial so far. And but today we found out through testimony that Carmelo was actually an alternate for the four by 100 meter race. And this kid that just testified said that he was actually on schedule to do one of the jumps, whether it was triple jump or long jump, he couldn't remember. But he actually was competing that day, which was, you know, another crucial fact because we've heard a lot of things about he wasn't supposed to be there. Well, yeah, he was on the team. He was supposed to be there. This it's just unfortunate that this sad, you know, act had to happen here, but he was supposed to be there that day.

SPEAKER_05 34:08

Okay. Well, that that I mean, there's been a lot of rumors, information, misinformation, disinformation, and that's why we have trials to get the facts out inside the courtroom. And and Cody Thomas is bringing it to us because again, no cameras, but we've got Cody Thomas. So let's talk about underneath there, underneath the tent now. So he's there either to dodge the rain, to see his friend Eddie, or perhaps to start some trouble, right? Because there's that narrative from the other side.

SPEAKER_07 34:42

Um so what I think to answer your question, I think it comes from the side of kids that couldn't just be mischievous.

SPEAKER_08 34:52

Right.

SPEAKER_07 34:52

I guess I I guess the grand in the grand scheme of things, you would have to say he had to be there for some shit, especially with the statement touch me again and having a knife to be there. He could, he couldn't having a knife to be there. Yeah, that's that's their point. He could. It's not like he can. Right, exactly. It's not like there's a kid in the world that wouldn't do exactly that. They would. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

I heard you you said we we've heard these different branches. What is the tone of what is happening under that tent? And what is the the moment when things escalate, right? When does it go from nothing to something? And and are there different versions of that?

SPEAKER_06 35:35

Well, the

How The Confrontation Escalates

SPEAKER_06 35:36

common denominator, just to make it as simple as possible for people to understand, from 100% of these witnesses, defense witnesses and prosecution uh student witnesses, I mean, uh, down the board. They say he came under the tent, wasn't malicious. They say he came under kind of calm, didn't really say much. Uh, some say that he he saw Eddie, gave him a handshake, uh, didn't say much, but he was sitting there under the tent. So now they're asking, does anyone know this kid? And who is this kid? You know, this and that. He's just here. They start asking him who he is. Eventually, you know, some sort of verbal altercation start happening where they start asking him to leave. And it's it's not just Austin, it's not just Austin and his brother Hunter. Uh, there's kids that have been up there mixed of all races, because we know the racial, the racial aspect uh is is a big component here. But we have black kids testifying, white kids, Hispanic kids. So kids mixed of all over 10 of them are testifying about how they even chimed in, like, hey man, come on, get out of here. You know, it's you shouldn't be under this tent, just go back to wherever your tent is. And they said it all started kind of calmly, and then they said Carmelo was being stubborn and didn't want to leave, like, you're gonna have to make me leave. You know, just they said they described it as him trying to be like a tough guy, you know, and then eventually they have uh, you know, some coaches say that Austin, Austin was a thrower. He was one of the discus shot putt throwers. They've all kind of echoed the sentiment that the throwers were kind of the leaders, and they were, you know, he's a senior, so you know the upperclassmen uh are trying to justify why y'all can tell motherfuckers where to go.

SPEAKER_07 36:56

I see that too. I don't give a fuck about no shot goes or senior. That's a personality type. Anybody who feels like they can tell motherfuckers where to be, that don't got nothing to do with your position in life. That's a personality type. But once I hear that tough guy shit, it's like fuck.

SPEAKER_08 37:15

I know what that is. It's just like, yo, tell them you don't got a tent.

SPEAKER_07 37:18

Like, yo, and I tell him shit. Yo, I'll holler. I'll holler at y'all, yeah. I'm sure it wasn't pouring when they asked him to go. Doesn't sound like that.

SPEAKER_08 37:28

At this point, yeah, I can't, I can't believe and that's the only yeah, I'm telling you that for a long time, that was like his saving grace with me in this whole situation. It's like, where the fuck do you want me to go in this torrential downpour? Like, you see how it's pouring outside right now? If you try to tell me to leave right now, nigga, I'm not leaving.

SPEAKER_07 37:43

Right.

SPEAKER_08 37:44

Fuck is you talking about?

SPEAKER_07 37:46

Niggas might get stabbed off of that.

SPEAKER_08 37:48

Nigga, I ain't want to say it.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

Fuck.

SPEAKER_07 37:52

I was trying to be serious. All right, let's get back.

SPEAKER_06 37:55

Pick to kind of take charge when the coach isn't uh directly around. So eventually Austin kind of takes this lead to try to be like, all right, man, like it's it's enough of this. Um, it's time for you to go. Things start getting heated. They do admit that Austin was getting, you know, heated as well, getting frustrated, and they were going back and forth as, you know, two testosterone-fueled young teenagers. We know how that goes with boys in competitive sports. And then uh, you know, eventually they talk about the frustrations escalating on both sides, and then uh Austin saying, like, you know, I'm not gonna fight you with a track meet. They're getting aggressive with each other, and then eventually, you know, the the statement that we've heard many a time the in the Carmelo has his hand in the bag, touch me and see what happens. Austin goes up to touch him, to push him. We again different accounts of that, whether it was a touch, whether it was a push, and that's when the whole uh unfortunate circumstance occurred here.

SPEAKER_05 38:42

So it's it's as simple as you're under this tent, you shouldn't be here, leave. I'm not going to leave, make me leave, and then it escalates to touch me and see what happens. So the the the verbal confrontation being described by the witnesses seems to be initiated by Carmelo Anthony. Is there anyone that said, well, no, no, they can't say that not initiated, but I could say escalated.

SPEAKER_07 39:16

I can't say that. That's the one thing we don't know. But all the witnesses said by all witnesses' accounts, he escalated this. But maybe they feel like that because the other person died. But even still, even if we like from again, from all accounts, if we all go from yo, you can't be here, you gotta leave, to you just nah nigga, I ain't leaving. Make me leave. I'm on that. Alright, bro, nah. And now somebody, yeah, yo, you gotta go. Leave. Yo, touch me and see what happens. You're escalating. You don't think that's to see what happens. No, no, no. You don't think the knife and you dying is the see what happens part of it? Exactly. Well, with the hand in the bag, I would in Texas, I would be even thinking worse. But Okay. Yeah. Hand in the bag in Texas, I would even be thinking worse than a knife. But again, still, that I'm not even not that has nothing to do with you, you're escalating the situation. You you initiate it. You being there is not the initiation. Them asking you to leave is what initiated all of this. You know what I'm saying? That is true. They could have minded their fucking business too. So them just, yo, you can't be here. And again, it all started with everybody calmly saying, yo, you can't be here. You gotta go. Even like whose man's is this? And your man not even trying to stand up, yo. This is my man's. He here. Again, like you said, at that point, all right, nigga, I'm out of here. I'll holler at y'all. I see, I see what it is. But I'm being tough, I'm being tough guy, so nah, I ain't leaving. I'm on that. What's up? I'm on that, yeah. Make me leave. Oh, what? You trying to be the tough guy to try and make me leave? Yo, I dare you. Touch me and see what happens. Because there was no account to like, dang, I please just sit here for a little bit until the rain calmed down. Somebody would have heard him say that.

SPEAKER_08 41:02

And that again, his defense, anybody, anybody would have at least said something of that.

SPEAKER_07 41:07

They'd be like, nah, he he asked him, can he please stay there? He was being nice about it, but they got aggressive.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

But that was never the case, it sounds like they were getting loud and and telling him to get out before the refusal.

SPEAKER_06 41:23

No, there's been no testimony as far as that. Down the board, all the prosecution's witnesses, all of those uh those students have been saying they're they're calling Carmelo the instigator, they're calling him the aggressor. They do admit that Austin was uh, you know, fueled up too, and being, you know, being too proud.

SPEAKER_07 41:40

And that's and one more thing. Y'all gotta stop saying the white boy was so much bigger than him. The boy is 6'1. Yes. Look at this. You see it. You see it. He's literally sit standing next.

SPEAKER_08 41:58

I don't care how big this white boy was.

SPEAKER_07 42:04

If you really own that, that shouldn't matter. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm 6'2, and I don't care how two, three, I'm only 160. But if you any white boy that's 6'2, and whatever he is, we could get it shaking. Like, so especially if I got it, like, what? What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_06 42:19

Yeah, they even talked about how when, you know, the statement with Carmelo with his hand, you do admit that Austin. What you say?

SPEAKER_08 42:25

And I know I'm gonna stab you. This wasn't no fight or nothing.

SPEAKER_07 42:28

This was literally touch me and see what happened, and you got pushed and stabbed. Like, you ain't even try to rumble, nothing.

SPEAKER_06 42:35

You do admit that Austin was uh, you know, fueled up too, and being, you know, being too prideful, you know, boys as they get. They even talked about how when, you know, the statement with Carmelo with his hand in the book bag, they said Austin said back to him, like, oh, you're not gonna do anything, calling his bluff. It's like, oh, you're you're from Frisco. We don't do that around here, and they're all sitting there not thinking that there would be an actual knife in the bag. So, you know, all of them have said that Austin was kind of being a tough guy too, and then it just he went over to him, went goes to push them, goes to shove them. But again, verbal altercation that led to this unfortunate event, you know, something that uh, you know, I don't, it shouldn't have been a stabbing here. We got two young kids who had their whole lives ahead of them, two 17-year-old men, and just this this heightened mistake here that has to happens to be the most pinnacle of mistakes uh that has affected both of their lives just emotionally and obviously has changed their lives forever.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

Absolutely. Absolute tragedy what happened under that tent. Um, but it's up to this jury to figure out exactly what it was.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

So that that pretty much laid it out of what could have happened, because we know we know what the conviction is. Yeah. But that lets you know kinda like that sums it up for me.

SPEAKER_08 43:52

And once once the facts are laid out like that, bro, I I wanna be on your side, my man, but damn.

SPEAKER_07 44:00

And you know, it's different ways you could think about it. As a black person, it's like, yeah, white people leave me alone. I'm sure Chris has a kid. He would hate for his kid to be at a park and somebody pushes because he cause his kid pushes somebody, they stab him. At a track meet. Fuck a park. A park's more understandable. Right. This is a high school track meet. Like I dropped my kid off here. This is the last thing I thought was gonna happen, even if my kid does do something wrong. Right. That's insane. Like I said to begin with, yo, I do not, and no sir, these are the I don't even understand how these circumstances led to this, but I don't see where we go in a fucking tent at a high school track meet and somebody dies, somebody doesn't like what? I don't I don't see I don't I don't see it.

SPEAKER_08 44:51

So and one one more quick question.

SPEAKER_07 44:56

I thought niggas try to say there was a uh uh a pre-bullying aspect to this whole thing. That's where I'm trying to, that's what I'm trying to say. It's so much misfucking information out there. These kids didn't know each other.

SPEAKER_08 45:09

Yeah, exactly. I just got that from the testimony.

SPEAKER_07 45:12

They like, yo, we never seen uh if we was bullying him online, we know exactly who he was. Somebody or maybe Austin knew him from Instagram or whatever, you never know. Might have just said seen him in Eddie Pictures. Or Carmelo knowing him because he's a nice football player. He does track. You don't know. I compete with it. I mean, you never know, bro. It's just so it was like that. Just let me know there was so much misinformation, people wanting to believe stuff because it benefits maybe their race or what they think or how they feel. And we gotta get off of that. We gotta get off of that. We can't be acting like them white folks, bro. We can't be doing what they do and think we're gonna get a one-up. They doing what they do because the system benefits them. But if we play it the way they play it, we're gonna lose. And that's what y'all been trying to do. Y'all been looking silly outside that court crying and signifying. As soon as that system gets this system and it's over for us. No matter, like you said, no matter which way this this incident ended for Carmelo, I don't see it going another way. That guilty verdict was coming down either way. Especially with all of that against him. Sound like not one person was on his side. Even the people who wanted to be on his side. Like, ah, like again, do I get up here and lie and put my freedom on the line? Why would I? Somebody I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 46:36

No, no, even if I knowing what I know is not what up, whatever I could say up here is not gonna be the truth, and knowing I know the truth and knowing like it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_07 46:47

There's no version of those type of story that I could tell that makes any sense to for you right here, bro. I get up here and do my best and say you was a good person and speak on your character, but in this situation, my nigga, you was wildin'. That's what it sounds like. You was wildin'. You wanted to be the tough guy, like you was bugging, bro. You wasn't, it doesn't sound like you were defending your life. At all. Maybe defending something else, pride, ego, something else, but not your life. Pride. Pride. Pride. And you know, like, like I said, I don't have any kids, but I can tell y'all, bro, I'm real enough to know, like, if that was my kid, what my kid would be on, and if my kid was on that aggressive shit, and I knew I didn't raise him like that, I would be a little embarrassed. Because what happened? Where did we fail somewhere? Even if it was just letting them listen to Lil Dirk all day. Somewhere I failed. It was a disconnect. Yeah. Somewhere. For you to even think that was worth that. That part, having a knife to begin with at school, all of this shit is weird. I don't know where you come. I don't know where y'all from, but you know, I just want to say, Carmelo didn't grow up like us. And when I say us, I mean us here talking. He didn't grow up that way, bro. He didn't grow up ghetto. He didn't grow, he didn't. I ain't even gonna lie, bro. We've been down, and not to say there ain't no ghettos out there, but Frisco. Frisco, Texas, where them kids go to high school, all the money that be poured in over there. Didn't Jerry McCain go to Centennial? I can't see it. I think that's where he was hoping at. Yeah, I can't see it. But yeah, man, uh let's get to somebody who actually not saying this person wasn't, but let's get to some clear injustice.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

Woo!

The Cyrus Belton Shooting Case

SPEAKER_07 48:38

No debate. Injustice. 100% injustice. I'm gonna tone about to switch on this one. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. Man, we definitely gotta pray for the kids. I'm gonna hit this button because Carmelo is not a kid anymore. Sorry, doing grown man shit. Um, acting like a grown man. Gotta face some consequences, my boy. We gotta put we gotta put pray on this kid because he's up there.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

Sing with me.

SPEAKER_07 49:12

Okay, real quick, man, because we gotta get straight to you. I don't know funnies, right? Go ahead, bro. If you got something, hurry up before I get serious. Go ahead, bro. Like I said, Carbello got face that tie. He gotta do 35. At least he knows he's nice with his knife, game, but he's upstate, though. Yo, real rap. Real rap. You're gonna need that knife work. They gonna put that bitch to the test. You seem like a uh seg nigga. What's that? Segregation. He's gonna be segregated from the general population. Oh, you think he's taking PC? Mm-hmm. Damn. So look. Scary ass young boy, definitely literally in his bed. R.I.P. 14-year-old Cyrus Carmack Belton. I think he died a few years ago, but um the trial just concluded on the beginning of the expert, that chow guy that I played where it said he was not guilty. Yeah, so what happened was this case involves a fatal shooting of a 14-year-old Cyrus Carmack Belton outside of convenience store in Columbia, South Carolina. The main people involved was Rick Chow, the convenience store owner who fired the shot that killed Cyrus. He was charged with murder and found not guilty this month. Then you have Cyrus, the 14-year-old victim. Prosecutors argued that he had been wrongly accused of stealing water and was running away when he was shot. Andy Chow, Rick Chow's son. The defense argued that Cyrus pointed a gun at Andy during the confrontation and that Rick Chow fired to protect his son and testified at trial. Now, people, before I get to these people, pay attention to the words. Prosecutors argued. Defense argued. Okay? That doesn't mean these things happened. Gypsy, I mean Byron E. Gypsy, the lead prosecutor who argued that Chow chased Cyrus and shot him in the back after a mistaken belief that water had been stolen. Sounds about fucking right to me. Everything I've seen, people, points to that and that only. Then we have Jack Swirling and Sean Kent, the defense lawyers who argued that Chow acted in defense of his son. I hate that he got off. Already. Already I hate it. A major point of dispute at trial was whether Cyrus even pointed a handgun at Andy Chow. The defense said he did. Prosecutors argued the gun had fallen out during the chase, and that witnesses other than the Chow family did not see Cyrus pointed at anyone. Now, what surveillance video reportedly showed. So the reason why this case became controversial is that there's two completely ver different versions of what happened. And the jury believed that there was not enough doubt to acquit Rick Child. That's insane. So one, it showed Cyrus Carmack Belton entering the store. Two, he picked up several bottles of water, but ultimately put them back. Prosecutors argued the video showed no theft occurred. That exactly what the video showed. I seen it. Did you see it, Chris? I seen it. Okay. You seen it. I don't need to prosecutors didn't argue that. That's not there. Oh, you seen it too, Chris. Yeah, yeah. There is no argument that nothing was stolen from that store. That's not up to be argued, debated, or nothing like that. After Cyrus left the store, a confrontation began outside. That's not true either. At all. That boy booked it right from the door. From the door. Because the confrontation started in the store. Alright, let's fucking talk about it. Fuck all this shit. Just some bullshit. Fuck the child's. I'm not fucking with these people at all. At all, bro. This was you liter in this video, you literally watch fucking racism passed from family member to family member to family member. Yo, you two YouTube races to be born in 2003. So this is how you know this shit is passed down generationally. Let's put, let's run it.

SPEAKER_08 53:24

Young

Surveillance Video And The Chase

SPEAKER_08 53:25

bull walk in the store. He already walk now. You cannot tell from the video unless you a nigga who keep it on you. But you could tell he got it on him in his hoodie.

SPEAKER_07 53:35

That's what I was saying. The hoodie's already sagging. Droopy already. But y'all don't care. Cause niggas, shut the fuck up. I'm not gonna say hi when you walk in my establishments to spend money. Put your fucking bag down. That's it. Just like fucking yo. Leave your fucking bag at the door. I'm bull like, leave my bag. Alright. Cool. Put the bag down. It ain't no kind. The only people who's getting confrontational here is y'all. Is the store owners. You talking to him all types of ways. Like he y'all kid. Put the fucking bag down at the door, whatever. And now the mom starts with the mom. She went from the front to the back. She walked this boy hand to foot around this store. Like, like he that was her young bull. Like she told him, yo, go get what you want. I'm gonna walk right behind you. But no, that's not what the case was.

SPEAKER_08 54:26

She was watching him, stalking this little nigga.

SPEAKER_07 54:29

Hurry up and buy. Hurry up and buy up and buy.

SPEAKER_08 54:32

Hurry up and buy vibes all the way.

SPEAKER_07 54:34

He grabbed a few waters, put a few waters back.

SPEAKER_08 54:37

I'm telling you, bro, as a nigga who I know what's happening here.

SPEAKER_07 54:41

Bro, he goes to grab some water.

SPEAKER_08 54:43

He goes to grab the water.

SPEAKER_07 54:45

He might have, the way he might have picked the water up, he already knows she on his back. Something happened with the join in his pocket, bro. Joan was about to start showing in his pocket. He ain't want that problem. So he goes to put the water back to adjust itself. But now he's starting to look crazy. Cause she on his back. Chris, let's say you 100% right. I'm basically saying, let's say that scenario's right. I've been in stores. Fuck having it on you. Where I walk to the back, grabbed a couple waters, seen the price of each individual water, and put them all back. Put them all back. Facts. You can't even think of that. Fuckers, there gotta be a gun to be involved for me to grab some shit and put it back. That's all I'm saying, bro. I did that before. Where I went to the store one day, came back the next week. Why is this a dollar more? I don't want this. Got it.

SPEAKER_08 55:37

I ain't even think of that, bro. I ain't even fucking think of that.

SPEAKER_07 55:40

And I'm saying he don't even get the luxury of that. Picking the joint up. When I go in Turkey, I do that. I might see the sodas and be like all the drinks. I want one. Boom. Every drink I took. Yeah, I want to put this one back up to the back. Two for $575. Nah, and I'm getting them expensive. No, I'm not doing. Yeah. And at the end of the day, he's 14. He probably been buying sodas since he was four. So I don't know if he don't know inflation. I don't know if he don't know, bro. This wasn't the price when I was a kid. Shit, especially if he was what, six years ago, he was eight. He felt that inflation. He knew what it you know what a dollar can get you and what it can't no more. And I'm saying our people don't even get the luxury to do that.

SPEAKER_08 56:28

So I'm gonna say, especially now he's 14, probably just start getting his own money.

SPEAKER_07 56:31

And I know some niggas where your price is as high and you watching them, I'm getting the fuck out of here. This ain't even worth my time. I'm getting out of here. Y'all niggas don't get my money. Y'all niggas don't deserve my money. And then you like, you still in out, I'm booking it as a kid, bro, because I got a gun on me. Right. I don't want y'all to hold me uh when the cops come.

SPEAKER_08 56:47

And that was my train thought where I'm thinking, like, yo, he probably picked them waters up and this lady on his back, she looking to see what's on what he got on. And he got so yo, if they see this gun on, they're gonna call the cops, they gonna think I mean. Do too much, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:02

Let me put these waters back and get the fuck out of here. You don't know why I need it. I live in Columbia, South Carolina. You don't know why I need to keep it on me. Obviously, I got it on me for a reason. So and not to bring Carmelo up, but that's the difference between a gun and a knife. You really want to protect yourself. You know what you're gonna bring if you really about that life. If you really about it. If you really about that life, you know how to take somebody off this earth one shot.

SPEAKER_08 57:25

And again, because Youngbo was moving with he he obviously has some fucking street smarts. Some streets with some heads, some head smarts. Like, yo, something not right about this situation. Let me get the fuck up out of here. And let's call a spade this. This is the yo, fuck the child's. This is their third shooting.

SPEAKER_07 57:44

It's more than three. We don't know what they was doing. There's no way that's their third time doing that. And then they and then they rush out to run after a nigga who they believe got a three-dollar store. I mean a three dollar water, three to four dollar water to leave thousands of dollars unattended. Everybody left the store. Y'all don't care about y'all product that much. There was a nigga in the store. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:10

Somebody else definitely walked in the store while this happened.

SPEAKER_07 58:13

Well, he was gonna steal just for y'all being hateful, that'd have been way more than that water. What he could have stole since niggas just steal. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08 58:20

Since all niggas is just like, nah, y'all wanted to catch a free hat.

SPEAKER_07 58:23

Y'all thought y'all could catch a free hat. You acted like your son was in trouble. Now y'all justifying it because y'all don't want to do time because you know there was no cameras or what happened. Y'all shot him in the back.

SPEAKER_08 58:35

Yeah, y'all shot him in the back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 58:36

And to justify, y'all saying he pulled out the gun that he had. And he did have it on him, but so what? So what?

SPEAKER_08 58:44

How the fuck I point a gun at you running away from y'all niggas. I'm the little I'm the one in fear in my life. Y'all chasing me. I've been running a block and a half already. Why are you still chasing me over from fucking water?

SPEAKER_07 58:56

Right. And let's also talk over some water. 100 yards. Niggas ran the whole football field.

SPEAKER_08 59:02

That's insane. Your old ass dad, the young boy thing, the mom, everybody ran a hundred yards over $3 worth of water. And y'all had it on y'all too. Come on. This ain't about no water at that point. You chasing me down with a gun over some wood. This ain't about no water.

SPEAKER_07 59:21

Now, if he turn around and blam y'all, then you know he's going to jail. But the like, so so that's so that's y'all defense.

SPEAKER_08 59:29

Oh, I was how? He is running away from y'all. This there is no that's not a threat. Even the police can't shoot him in the back at that point.

SPEAKER_07 59:37

But they were saying legally they can't charge him for murder. Because they can't prove that he had intent to do it outside of that moment because he was protecting his son. But if they would have got him for first degree manslaughter, they could have, he could have got some time. Like if they would have charged him for that, he'd have for sure got some time.

SPEAKER_08 59:55

I I think that's some bullshit. Like, I I can understand the law of uh the intent, but I that's some bullshit.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:02

Like it be bullshit, bro, but you yeah, we know why it's bullshit, but that's why I don't play these court games and these politics.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:09

What did I fucking intend to do chasing this kid a hundred yards with a gun?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:13

I ain't intend to do nothing else. And fuck what I do. What did my son intend to do? Why was he chasing him? My whole family intended for this to go down this way. And my wife started it, because niggas don't want to check their bitch ever. Ever, bro. I'm like, fucking me Lang, leave him alone.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:31

Water? You fucking serious? Niggas come in here trying to steal big every and you worried about some fucking water, bitch. You think that's you think that's what I'm worried about niggas stealing in?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:41

Oh, what about wrong shit, man? Yo, we worry about wrong shit, man. For real, man. Nah, real shit, bro. I don't like it. I hate it. I hate everything that's going on right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:02

I hate everything about it right now, yeah. This shit is fucking whack.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:05

And then the kids like that, they be killing them younger and younger. It's like, now that I'm grown, bro, Tamir Rice was young.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:13

Like 12, right? Maybe 11.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:17

Oh. They was that scared? Ew. Didn't they shoot him mad times? Mad times. I want to say like 50, 50, man. That's why I put on the gram,

Living Under Suspicion Beyond Court

SPEAKER_07 1:01:30

bro. I said, bro, wait till y'all start traveling and realize they don't like us nowhere. I went to Mexico. I went to Mazat Mazatlan. So me and my girl at the time, she was my ex, she was African. You know, we we out there, our skin glowing. I ain't gonna lie. We was on our motherland shit. When I tell you, bro, you can't do nothing because everybody's watching you. Cause it's just black people don't travel the world as much as you think. Right. Like the world, like out and about, walking, doing shit white people do, not as much as you think. We're heavy section, resort. I was about to say, we got our spots. Jamaica. So I don't know. I do see a change coming. Uh I see it coming a little bit. I see that not a change in the world, but a change in black people's attitude. Because the people who we I I love the bottom, but we can't bring this low vibrational thought pattern with us. Because if you knew how smart the smartest people on earth was and the problems they were solving, they're not really worried about this is like low vibrational to them. All of this type of shit. Shit is what niggas know what to do when they mad, know everything that's going on.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:50

Smart nigga, yo. One of them people you talk about up there, a burger nigga from the bottom down in two minutes and and literally could change your life in 20 minutes, bro, by telling you the better decisions to make and everything, you still won't do it, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:03

So it don't even matter. And we do gotta come to terms with I I think a lot of people we're so prideful that we don't want to admit that damn, maybe this habit or this thing that I've learned that I thought was right my whole life is really the wrong way to go about life. And I think after a while, people just be like, oh, this is me. Right. Instead of just being like, damn, this ain't never got me nowhere.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:30

That's what a lot of shit. Niggas will blame that shit on they fucking sign on.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:34

Everything, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:36

Oh, well, my family done it for so what? Your family was doing it wrong, and now you know you're doing it wrong, but you still trying to justify it off of what?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:43

And those people can tell you more about why they fucked up than how to get better. They can go on and on and on about why they fucked up my mom. Not even I've been through this, da da da. But then when you start talking about solutions, oh they it's like they hate you. Yeah, that's they hate you.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:57

They want to end the comment. Exactly. Because it ain't even like yo, you don't even gotta have the right solution, but you won't even sit down and problem solve, you won't think it out, you don't want to take like you said, I'm gonna spend you'll spend hours upon hours of talking about all the bad shit. But literally, when a nigga try to give you five minutes of some good advice, five minutes of some positive shit, you wanna break. Oh, I don't want to hear that shit. You don't know nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:19

And uh not only do you not listen, you're offended. Exactly. That's the craziest part. It's one thing to tune a nigga out and just say, yo, I live my life, you live your life one way, but to be offended.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:30

Who the fuck is you to tell me this? Oh man. I mean, yo, I don't want to say it, but uh somebody is doing a little bit better than you.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:37

Yeah. And you can ask Chris, what not not as of lately when I became older. But if you came to me when I was younger and said came to me and said, yo, Quill, how you moving right there, that ain't gonna work out for you. Of course, you're gonna have to explain to me. I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions, but once you got me, you got me. I'm gonna really be like, nah, so so that ain't why I did da da da da. You remember when niggas the nigga the talk in Vegas? I would really sit there and be like, All right, you can't do it. All right, yeah, I'm gonna try this. You got a different perspective, break it down to me, make it make sense to me. And and if what you change I'm going with it tomorrow. We don't know. I'm not waiting two seconds and everything. And especially since that talk with Vegas, bro, that worked. I never went back to telling that much truth. If y'all think I tell a lot of the truth now, I'm telling y'all, bro. I don't. I really learned to just not say much. But I used to wow with the truth. He understands the truth is a real weapon.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:35

He thought the truth was just the truth.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:36

I thought that's how it was supposed to be. Like weapon. I knew how many niggas died from it, but I just assumed I'm like, cool, you ain't on that level. You just on Twitter. But yeah, bro, back back to the main point. We just gotta figure out better ways of doing things. That's it. That whole that whole keep your hands to yourself or watch what happens, and that's not gonna work. Nah, that ain't it, everybody. That ain't it, bro. Especially when we start talking about 35 to 5 to 99 years, the life. Once we start talking about those numbers, you'll never leave it. You'll never make sense of it. That's back in the day. I don't know if you listening. Anybody, I don't know y'all's age. Even anybody who's done that time already. You could ask a nigga who did who sat the whole 35.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:19

He'll tell you, man, that was the dumbest decision I ever made.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:21

I've never heard nobody stand on 35 years. No matter what they want in there for. I've never heard it, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:27

No matter what they want in there for. They'll tell you, yo, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:30

I was young. I was dumb. I ain't know no better. I ain't had no guidance. Da da da da da da da.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:33

That two minutes of my life, I ought to gave that shit back in all them 35 years. Over over a million times.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:39

They start telling you how many birthdays they missed to their kids, how they never. You start hearing shit like that, and you actually gotta know and talk to people who actually sat down and got better from it. You just be thinking like jail is crazy. Like I tell. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I was gonna say, like I always tell Chris, bro, I can't even fuck with the temperature of the water. What I've heard the temp of the water is I can't make my water hot and cold at the snap of a finger when I want. Nice. Nice.

The Real Cost Of Prison Time

SPEAKER_07 1:07:10

I can't go on the gram and or go on a text and hit up my little shorty and come right over. I don't know. Nigga shit where I sleep, literally.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:19

Bro, I meant to say this on the other pod we did. I called Kel when we was in when I was in Jamaica, just to say I mean, bring that nigga with me from where he at. Bro, just looking around. I'm like, damn, I couldn't imagine being there over here. Nothing in the world will make me want to be where he's at to where I'm at right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:38

You'll switch for you at the drop of a dime. What? You would switch for him for a day if you could just snap right and come back. If I could come back. Right. So it's just like, man, that freedom.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:48

Yeah, that's why even making the call was like was was so important to me. I was like, yo, as soon as I see this nigga active on this phone, I'm gonna try to call this nigga, he was on there. And I was like, I gotta bring this nigga with me because I know where he at ain't this and it's fucking.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:00

Because I don't think he ever been out the country, right? And I wouldn't want to be there, yeah. Nah. No way. No way.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:05

Out the country, nah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:07

But yeah, man. Cases on cases, it's some bullshit. I'm staying out the way. I'm not fucking with them white folks, bro. Not like that, but not like that. I don't know how to explain it. You tell me to leave, I'm gone.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:21

I'm out.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:22

I holler at y'all, bro. Unless I paid to be there, which I'm not leaving, if I paid to be there. That's a fact. I'm dying over me paying to be somewhere. If I can't pay to be somewhere, I don't want to live nowhere. For real, for real. I ain't saying take my life, but I'm saying, bro, I need some type, me personally, I'm not telling everybody to live like that. I need some type of agency of where I'm going in this world. That has nothing to do with me being black.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:47

Yo, man, Farrakhan and then was right, man. I ain't going nowhere where I ain't accepted, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:52

Once you let me pay, I know what that means. That's what I'm saying. Don't let me pay. If I'm not accepted, don't take my money. Exactly. That part too, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:59

No, that part too, though. Because that, that, yeah, that ain't nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:04

So you're only paying to let me in the door to give me, still give me shitties, shittier service. Now it depends. Track meet versus Madison Square Garden finals. You're not kicking me out of there if I ain't do nothing. I'm willing to raise hell.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:16

They're gonna carry you out the same way they did Charles Oakley.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:19

That's true. But Charles Oakley was wilding. To who? Before who's to say before they came to kick him out? You just know how he talks in general. Right, but if I ain't while He's a drawbox. But this this could be a Carmelo Anthony situation. What you doing here?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:36

Nigga, I'm fucking Charles Oakley. I could be here.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:40

I'm sure he did pay though. You think Charles Oakley paid to go into a Knicks game? Yeah. Because he already don't fuck with James Dolan.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:49

James before that, James Dolan wasn't giving him tickets. He was in that joint all the time. I'm sure he wasn't seasoned. Free tickets? How James Dolan gave it up in the garden?

SPEAKER_07 1:10:04

Yes. Can he go through Michael Jordan?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:06

No. What did Michael Jordan got to do with the garden? St. Chicago.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:10

That's true. That's true. Alright, you got it. But long story short, yeah. That's just me. I'm just speaking on me. Um I do want to say R.I.P. to Carmelo, because his life is over. Damn. Nah, nah, nah. I'm telling you, that's the truth.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:25

He's young, bro. He could do his time, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:28

35 plus 19. He never did a day in jail yet. He's been home. Okay. 35 plus 19. What's that? So you're looking at at least 55. You give him 20 right now? Bro, that's 20 more years of our life, bro. After 20 years of our life, like at 55, yes, there's more life to live, but God dang.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:48

I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. I definitely understand what you're saying. Because there ain't no, I don't give a fuck. You're gonna have to live it up like Drake pop. Right. Cause there ain't there ain't no, there's not a day, uh, not a day in jail over that 35 years that that is that you could call living life.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:05

Shit is not living life. Then you gotta make money to live life once you get out. That part. Like you said, you know what I mean. So I don't want to say his life's over in that way, but what the fuck? All the best parts that you want your kid to enjoy in life is over.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:19

Gone. And shit, he might get out and might not even be able to have kids and do shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:24

See what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:25

Yeah, shit, fuck.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:27

We got, but we're free niggas. We're free.

unknown 1:11:34

I know.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:36

Nothing like it. But back then I said, man, watch out for our kids, man. R.I.P. to Cyrus, man. Certain areas, our kids is gonna have it on them. If they're not stealing out of your establishment, even if they are, leave them the fuck alone. That's why there's cops. That's why there's laws. Catch up next time, nigga. Sorry. Gotcha. Gotcha. What the fuck? Gotcha.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:56

Shit wasn't hurting nothing, bro. Whatever that nigga wanted. Man, fuck. Fuck them child, man. That's like I've been on like ever since I heard about this shit. Like, just like I said, just to watch all of that racism be passed down from every member of the fucking family, mom, dad, the son, that shit was disgusting, bro. I might not fuck with Chinese food. That shit was disgusting. Yeah. That was terrible. And the thing does, and like nigga, I mean.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:22

Why do we gotta fuck the racist out of you? Like, why do we gotta fuck y'all women for the like you know what I'm saying? Like, why?

Everyday Bias And Choosing Perspective

SPEAKER_08 1:12:30

That ain't helping either, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:31

That's the only but that's the only way to get anybody on your side if you black. Right. Like, even to get them to act like they like black people. You gotta fuck them. The women. I just want to make that clear, y'all, because we had a whole pause of the last. I just want to make that clear. But I don't know why. That's the only way you're even gonna get to speak to a white man or a grandfather or you know, I was a bartender. You know what I'm saying? On a on a personal level to see how they live. Right. Yo, Tom, and then you probably gonna, yo, Tom. What's this shit about? And they'll tell you. How was your life when you was young?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:07

Not for no, especially at at a certain age where that shit's been ingrained in them. They'll tell you, they'll straight out tell you, yo, look, I ain't fuck with, I ain't fuck with black people. And you gotta think about it. Don't fuck with niggas like you before you. You the only black person to ever and straight up give up, give, give all that game, right? Well, that ain't game, but give that shit right up.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:24

How many white people have you had interpersonal talks with in the last 10 years?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:30

Interpersonal?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:31

Like where you could say, yo, let's go out for lunch. Yeah, no, not a lot. Where you actually have done it. No, yeah. Actually do. Come on. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:41

Come on.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:44

And I love white folks, but when they start saying weird shit, like, I don't know why we just can't all get along. Like you, you will find them saying shit like that sometimes. You'll be thinking in your head, like, oh, you don't know why? Or one of my, I had it was it was one of my boys, he was like, he was cool with me, but then he became a manager. And then once he became manager, he was like, Oh yeah, make sure you're not doing this. And I was like, bro, and if I was, like, I wasn't trying to be like that with him, but I'm like, you asking too much of my business because niggas start asking about weed type shit. Like, oh, are you doing that? Bro, don't. You didn't worry about that shit before. Before you was. Don't worry about that shit now. You was not your business. Then you was on the same shit, nigga. No, he wasn't. Never was. I ain't gonna say he was. All right, well. But if it wasn't your business then, it ain't your business now. I ain't answer those questions then. I ain't answering them now. It sounded it felt like it was it was like racism. Yeah, it was like a racism thing. Like, let me make sure it's my job to make sure niggas is in line. That's how it felt. I could be wrong, but I really felt like that. Let me make sure that niggas ain't getting too out of control. I've worked with white people, I'm telling you, like, it is like that. You can't even be, oh, don't be handsome and all the girls like you. Please don't. I remember my manager, we was cool. One time a girl came up to me like, dang man, he said he wish you shut up. In the office while the girls was in there. I'm like, what to be going, what be going on with niggas, bro? Is you mad because you 40, fucking 19 year olds? And can't command the room. Bitches love me. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:30

Yeah, I seen I seen I seen a lot of hate like that, especially when I was working in NAFO. Oh my God. Soon as the drunk pull up to the job, yo, don't talk to him.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:39

He do act, whoa, whoa, what are we doing here, yo? Oh, Diddy, you fighting both sexes. The niggas hate you, the girls hate you because they love you, the niggas hate you because the girls love you, the girls hate you because they love you.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:51

I always tell niggas, bro, niggas will hate you off the fact that some uh off a house other people love you.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:58

That be the biggest motivation to somebody's hate off the love you get from somebody else or something else.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:04

One of my homegirls told me this girl who I thought we was semi-cool, she's been in my DMs, we be having general conversations. She told her, like, dang, I don't know how you could be cool with her. I said, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:16

Who'd she tell this to?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:18

One of my female friends. Uh huh. Like, I don't know how you could be cool with him. This is before she got to know me. And I'm just like, like, you had no idea who I was, and you felt the need. I never said that about nobody to nobody else, bruh. I never pondered why y'all was cool. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:36

Even if fuck if even if I know you to be a bad person. Again, I know you to be a bad person. I don't know how this person feels about you, so I can't tell that person how to feel about you. If that person won't like you for whoever they think you you are, more power to them.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:51

Like, even I ain't gonna say her name, but even the joan around here, we ain't gonna say the scenario either. But the joan who everybody don't like because a blah blah blah will happen. And uh, you know, there's people who fuck with her. I never even question, like, but there's people like, I don't know why people be cool with her. I don't think like that because people do change one, people do learn two, and you know, just because you perceive somebody to be fucked up, that don't mean they a bad friend to everybody in the world. That's my point. Not everybody in the world is has that perception of this person. Somebody loves them, bro. Somebody loved somebody loved and that person too.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:32

Somebody loved you, somebody fucking love you. Don't act like you the fucking greatest thing since sliced bread, walking this earth, the most peaceful. You know, you got some fucking toxic shit about you where a lot of people got some reasons and ways they feel about you, and it's all fucking justified, but there's somebody else there who fucking loves you for that person you are. So don't hold that shit against because like you said, people change.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:57

And there was another situation where there's this girl, every time she comes up, everybody be like, yo, she a straight whore. Now, I told one person that I'm cool with, like, I'm like, everybody do say that, but they gotta mention the fact that she's an amazing mom. They don't mention that part. So I just hate you know what I mean? You what you do with your body literally is your choice, but being good to your kid is not a choice, it's a choice you make, but having to be good to your kid is mandatory. We see the other side of that other. So, yes, you catching bodies and you people calling you a whore, but how I looked at it, honestly, looking back, she's doing what she gotta do to make sure her son is kids. Kids, kids, but I'm gonna name son because he got a future. But she's doing what she gotta do to make sure her son could be here, there, and there, doing X, Y, and Z and dah dah da da da. And he's not doing chump shit. Exactly. So it's like if you want to talk shit on people like her and people like Drea, go do that. But make something of your life first before you speak on people like that. Cause they doing it. Cause they doing it, bro. Who or nor like who or not, whatever you want to call her. Whatever, bro. So I just want to just, you know, sometimes just that too.

Protect Kids And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_07 1:19:20

You got anything else, man?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:23

Nah, man. Protect these kids out here, man. Let's wrap this up because where we started.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:29

This has been a long time. I mean.

unknown 1:19:32

Woo!

SPEAKER_07 1:19:33

I'm done for the week, man. I've been waiting for this. You done?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:36

Cool. I think I got a lot, everything.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:38

We'll see what else the world got to offer. Holly. Like it's nothing, cause it's nothing, bitch.