When Science Proves the Bible: 14,000 Days of Divine Control with John Zachary

What if you could use NASA eclipse data and ancient Babylonian star charts to verify that God has been orchestrating human history for thousands of years? That’s exactly what this week’s guest, John Zachary, has spent half a century doing.

A former aerospace engineer who worked on fighter pilot ejection systems, John discovered that the Bible contains mathematically precise, repeating 14,000-day prophetic cycles—from the Ark of the Covenant’s movement under Moses, to the destruction of three temples, to the very day of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. The confidence level of his scientific dating? One chance in 10 to the 66th power of being wrong.

 Jan and John explore how “database theology” validates Scripture, why the destruction of Herod’s Temple was the ultimate proof that Jesus’ sacrifice replaced the Old Testament sacrificial system, and how two Roman soldiers unknowingly fulfilled a 14,000-day divine countdown when they set the temple on fire.

•       Daniel 9:24-27 — The 70 Weeks prophecy; the Messiah will be cut off; foretells the destruction of the temple and the sacrificial system

•       Numbers 10:11 — The exact date the Ark of the Covenant began moving in the desert; the starting point of John’s 14,000-day calculation

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•       00:00 — Introduction & Welcome

•       01:15 — John’s background: aerospace reliability engineering & fighter pilot ejection systems

•       08:30 — Writing the book: Holy Spirit confirmation in 1987 and early faith responses

•       12:00 — What is “database theology” and why does science validate Scripture?

•       15:45 — How John uses NASA data and Babylonian astronomical tablets to date biblical events

•       20:00 — Daniel 9 and the 70 Weeks prophecy explained

•       24:30 — The 14,000-day cycle: from Moses & the Ark of the Covenant to the crossing of the Jordan

•       29:00 — Three temples, same day: Solomon’s, Ezekiel’s, and Herod’s—all at 14,000 days

•       34:00 — Jesus’ death & resurrection as the end of the Old Testament sacrificial system

•       38:30 — The two Roman soldiers who set Herod’s Temple on fire—Josephus as eyewitness

•       43:00 — The 360-day biblical calendar in Revelation, Genesis, and Numbers

•       47:30 — The confidence level: 1 in 10 to the 66th power of being wrong

•       51:00 — The Jewish skeptic who became a believer after reading 50 pages

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[00:00] John: God is intervening in human events to reveal what is true of the spiritual realm. And it validates. Jesus is the real deal.

[00:14] Jan: Welcome everybody to this episode of Just Talking About Jesus. I am so glad that you are joining us today.

[00:22] I can just picture your little faces with your headphones on or doing your laundry or taking a walk or driving in the car someplace,

[00:35] listening to this great episode that I have.

[00:38] So glad you're here.

[00:40] What if God of the Bible left a mathematical signature in history,

[00:45] one so precise that NASA data can verify it?

[00:50] This is an interview that is definitely different than any that I've had before.

[00:56] It's pretty fascinating delving into a little bit of science and somebody that's a better mathematician than I am,

[01:05] which isn't saying much. It wouldn't take much for that.

[01:10] Well, all of that's not theory. It's the life work of John Zachary, a former aerospace reliability engineer who spent 50 years building what he calls database theology.

[01:23] Using ancient Babylonian astronomical tablets, lunar eclipse data cross referenced with NASA,

[01:31] and the prophetic text of Daniel numbers and revelation,

[01:34] John discovered something stunning.

[01:37] God has been orchestrating human events around a repeating 14,000 day cycle from Moses wandering the desert with the Ark of the Covenant all the way to the day two Roman soldiers accidentally burned down Herod's temple in 70 A.D.

[01:52] not approximately,

[01:54] exactly.

[01:55] In this week's episode,

[01:57] John walks us through how he dates biblical events with a confidence level in a number so impossibly small that as John puts it, if you had to say one in ten thousand billion seven times in a row,

[02:13] you'd be a little close.

[02:16] I can't even imagine that number.

[02:18] We talked about the destruction of three temples, the death and resurrection of Jesus as the replacement of the Old Testament sacrificial system,

[02:26] and why this research has turned skeptics, including a Jewish man who once said Jesus is just a bunch of baloney into believers.

[02:40] My guest today is John Zachary.

[02:43] Welcome, John.

[02:44] John: Well, thank you for having me on. Great to be here.

[02:48] Jan: You bet.

[02:49] John: So we already started with an interesting conversation.

[02:54] Jan: We did. You know, that's the privilege of guests and hosts who talk a little bit ahead of time and figure out some things so we can mention those later on.

[03:04] So you were a former engineer, a data analyst in your former life.

[03:12] Tell us a little bit about what you do in your faith life to begin with.

[03:18] John: Well, pretty much. I've always been interested in science and math, things like that. I was kind of a natural at it. I didn't really study it that much,

[03:31] but I would always get the right Answer.

[03:34] Anyway, so I was a reliability engineer in aerospace and we worked on things like fighter pilot escape systems.

[03:42] Recently, like in the Iran war, they shot down four F15s.

[03:46] I worked on that ejection system. So when all eight of them got out, that made me feel pretty good.

[03:52] And because it had a problem before,

[03:55] so I learned to fix things really well.

[03:58] And I could fix them to where it was mind blowing. It was even awe inspiring. One, one thing we fixed took everybody by surprise because we, we only had 50,000 to build.

[04:10] Three parts. That was it.

[04:12] And they asked me before and I was leading the team. How will we know we only got three parts if you got it? And I said, well, it's kind of like shooting a bullet in a bullseye.

[04:22] If all three go through that bullseye, we got it. But if it's scattered all over, we didn't get it. And then when we did the test,

[04:30] it was like so huge improvement. It was like bullet going right through bullet after bullet after bullet.

[04:38] And everybody was amazed. That was for a launch vehicle.

[04:43] You see them launch with these solid rocket boosters. This was just kicking them off. So anyway, I learned to use math really well and I apply it to the Bible and we basically scientifically date.

[04:56] And it's kind of based on curiosity because I was born again when I was 10 or 12 years old.

[05:03] By the age of 14, I felt called the preacher.

[05:06] And so I went to college to do that.

[05:10] And while I was there,

[05:12] I'm not really a pastor type, so I never be.

[05:17] I went into like, you know, engineering work instead of being a pastor.

[05:21] Jan: But, but then, you know, look what, what God did with Moses or some of the people in the Bible, they're kind of like, ah, I don't really talk really well or I don't really have any skills.

[05:31] And he still uses people, right?

[05:33] John: Yeah,

[05:34] yeah. So I was studying to be a pastor and one night before this was like a long time ago,

[05:42] like 1973.

[05:44] And before I got up to preach a sermon on the second coming of Christ. And we were in a revival type service and the ladies got up and sang a special song.

[05:54] They sang one line into this song and I heard rustling above my head and I'm thinking,

[06:00] what's going on up there?

[06:02] And then I heard the word anoint,

[06:04] kind of like that. But you wouldn't have heard it. It was a spiritual experience.

[06:08] And as soon as it said anoint, a ball of power 8 to 10 inches in diameter came down on my head and I went like,

[06:18] like that with my right Hand, it was that obvious.

[06:21] And it drifted like three inches or so per second,

[06:26] came into my chest and spread throughout my body.

[06:29] So I was taken by surprise. I preached the sermon and the response was great. So I ended up studying that sermon for 14 years and developed this database theology, as I call it.

[06:43] I didn't really call it that back then.

[06:45] Jan: You didn't have a name for it yet?

[06:46] John: No, that's actually just recent, like in the last few months. Because actually the last year or two, because when you do the analysis, you. It just pops out and supports, you know, Jesus, death and resurrection in a big way.

[07:01] And actually if people buy the book and read it,

[07:04] if you go to Amazon and read the reviews, a third of them are talking about how science is validating the resurrection.

[07:10] It's so database theology. So that caught my attention.

[07:14] And then 14 years later, I decided, I'm not going to tell anybody this because.

[07:22] Because I was just chicken, you know,

[07:28] I don't know why I just decided I'm not going to tell anybody. I told a few people and they all responded positively.

[07:35] And I was at my home church though, in the first January evening,

[07:40] 1987,

[07:42] and the pastor asked me to stand up and testify.

[07:46] It's kind of like I was at my home church. I'm never there, you know. So I said, well, it's nice to be here. And then I said, oh, by the way,

[07:54] pray for me for guidance because I'm thinking about writing a book.

[07:59] And I sat down and I said to myself,

[08:02] you stupid idiot, would you say that for.

[08:05] And then he's. He has everybody stand up and they, they do the prayer. I'm just in the back twiddling my thumbs and he started praying for me guidance to write a book.

[08:15] And the Holy Spirit came down with a fire strip across my chest.

[08:20] So I'm back there for a whole minute. He prays for me and this remains,

[08:24] pleading the blood of Jesus. And then as soon as he stopped, it went away.

[08:29] So I said, well, I better write what, my research anyway.

[08:35] Jan: There's something like, like God dropping a little holy boldness on you, right?

[08:40] John: Yeah, that's it. Wake up,

[08:42] wake up.

[08:43] So I decided to write. I did ride it. And we got good response. Actually. One of the first converts, I do mission work,

[08:52] but the first convert I ever had was a Jewish guy. And he would say things like,

[08:57] Jesus is just a bunch of baloney.

[09:01] So I made befriended him and he was going to this church, messianic church, and he came there to see his grandson because his son was the Pastor, he didn't care.

[09:13] Okay? That's why I came there. I befriended him. I said, here, just read 50 pages.

[09:18] I knew if he reads 50 pages, it's going to whack him in the face.

[09:22] And he, he did. And, and then I said, tell me what you think next time I see you.

[09:27] And I saw him two weeks later and I asked him, he says, well, I bought three versions of the New Testament, I'm studying it.

[09:34] Oh,

[09:36] there was the Holy Spirit and he was baptized like three months later.

[09:42] So praise God.

[09:45] Yeah,

[09:46] that's not me, that's the Holy Spirit.

[09:48] So I ended up writing the book.

[09:52] I made a lot of people mad, but I said,

[09:55] it's not setting a date, it's a theory.

[09:59] Okay. So, but what I discovered at that point, there were two of these cycles I found this is like 1989, 1991. In there, there was just two.

[10:10] Now I know of thousands of them and they validate one another. And all it is,

[10:16] God is intervening in human events to reveal what is true of the spiritual realm. And it validates.

[10:25] Jesus is the real deal.

[10:29] Jan: Yeah, yeah. And so how foundational is that?

[10:34] John: It's very foundational. And when you read it, and like I say, we actually use NASA. Okay, what I'm doing is I'm scientifically dating the foretold events in Daniel's time oriented predictive text.

[10:52] It's a prophecy of the future related to time.

[10:56] This event will happen at this date in the future,

[11:00] centuries ahead of time.

[11:02] Nobody can do that.

[11:04] So it would be like me asking you or anybody that's listening,

[11:08] can you tell me what's going to happen on July 11th in the year 2692?

[11:15] Nobody can do it,

[11:19] but the Bible doesn't. And so you do that. You scientifically date. So how you do that?

[11:24] I have a 400 page thick book of Kuniya form texts deciphered from ancient Babylonian astronomers.

[11:33] They were learning to predict lunar eclipses. They could do it by the 8th century BC,

[11:40] maybe even earlier. And they got better as time moved forward.

[11:44] Okay. But they couldn't tell you the exact minute of an eclipse.

[11:48] Okay, so what you do, you find this is what the Babylonians saw. They would say it was in the year of this king. You've heard of Nebuchadnezzar? I'm sure there's a big list of them for the reign of Nebuchadnezzar.

[12:02] And so they would say eclipse on this,

[12:06] the year of this king Nebuchadnezzar,

[12:08] year 17 month X, whatever it is on this Date.

[12:13] Okay. Then you go to NASA and you correlate it and it gives you the exact minute.

[12:20] Okay. Well, that's accurate to within one hour, even though it was millennia ago.

[12:24] That's like you're going back there,

[12:28] standing by these people watching the lunar eclipse. So you've got accurate data to analyze the Bible with?

[12:36] Well, it was based on curiosity because I said to myself, you know, if I can scientifically date these two predicted events and get the exact date using science,

[12:48] talking about astronomy,

[12:50] simple math and logic,

[12:52] what will we learn?

[12:54] Well,

[12:55] you learn a lot.

[12:57] It's kind of amazing.

[13:00] Really.

[13:00] Jan: Yeah.

[13:01] John: And that's why people say even science now supports or even validates a resurrection of Jesus. Well, that's a supernatural event.

[13:11] Okay. So Jesus rising from the dead is a supernatural event.

[13:16] Also, though, if you can foretell the future centuries in advance to the very day,

[13:23] and that event has purpose,

[13:27] that's also a supernatural event. Nobody can do it.

[13:30] Okay. But we're using science to prove that it did happen. So now we are correlating science to the supernatural because nobody can do it.

[13:40] Jan: So. But basically what you're doing is you're studying the things that have already happened.

[13:47] John: Correct. We don't try to do the future because if I tell you what I think is going to happen,

[13:54] you have to have blind faith in what I'm saying about the future. And. And that's a problem that a lot of people, they're out there, prophecy ministries, and they're saying this is going to happen.

[14:06] Well, it probably ain't because.

[14:08] Or won't whatever. Forgive my English.

[14:12] Not an English major.

[14:15] I have a degree in math and history education.

[14:19] Yeah, History education and math. That's kind of like the book.

[14:25] Jan: Yeah.

[14:25] John: Okay. That wasn't my plan. I originally studied theology, then I went to history education and then math and I went into engineering,

[14:34] but. And then I got the job in aerospace industry.

[14:38] Jan: Yeah. Yeah. Because you had to have some way to make a living to support your other things that you wanted to do.

[14:45] John: Yeah.

[14:46] So. But it's kind of like it goes along with the path of what I'm walking and doing.

[14:52] And so my last advance in this. I've been doing this for 50 years, by the way.

[15:00] Okay. I've got tons of research and the book's not hard to read. Actually,

[15:06] you might think that because the title of the book is the Science behind the Story of Jesus.

[15:12] Because it is a story. And here's science that's validating it.

[15:16] That's all it means.

[15:17] Jan: Yeah.

[15:18] John: But anyway, you scientifically date Those two dates.

[15:22] And out pops control of human events. And eventually when you work through the whole thing, you find out hidden in the earliest books of the Bible, at the time of Moses is 14,000 days.

[15:35] And it's connected to the Ark of the Covenant moving.

[15:41] Okay. It doesn't say from the time they leave Egypt. It's from the day, the very day they start moving in the desert with the Ark of the Covenant. And that's in Numbers, chapter 10, verse 11.

[15:53] It gives you the exact date.

[15:56] Most people think,

[15:58] what's this doing in the Bible? Doesn't mean anything, right?

[16:02] Jan: Yeah, yeah, there's a whole bunch of things like that.

[16:06] John: Yeah. All right, well, they.

[16:08] That's the kind of things I use and get this control of human events. So the. The Ark of the Covenant starts moving and. And it goes through, okay, 38 years, four months later,

[16:22] to the day they cross the Jordan river into the promised land with Joshua.

[16:28] That's a very special day.

[16:30] And there's a count from the very day the beginning of the Ark of the Covenant. Moving and guiding people to the crossing of the Jordan is exactly 14,000 days.

[16:43] Now, that's a weird number. Yeah,

[16:45] okay. But we didn't discover it by studying those earlier books that came from scientific dating.

[16:52] What the scientific dating does is it gives you the beginning and the end,

[16:58] a fulfillment in ancient history.

[17:01] Everything in between there has to start after the beginning date and before the end date. The end date is the destruction of Herod's temple.

[17:11] And you learn a lot, actually. You see, the prophecy is actually about the Messiah will be crucified. Didn't actually say he will die as a sacrificial offering.

[17:22] In verse 24, is using old Testament words, Hebrew,

[17:27] that are used to describe sacrificing a lamb in a temple.

[17:33] Well, the Messiah is sacrificed. And that doesn't actually say he will rise from the dead.

[17:39] But here's the question.

[17:41] If the Messiah has to die to prove he's the Messiah, how's he going to remain successful?

[17:48] Okay. If he's dead, he's not going to be successful.

[17:52] That's the dividing line between a true Messiah and all the false ones.

[17:58] All the false ones don't come back.

[18:00] Jan: Well, and here's the thing is Jesus and God are one. If Jesus dies, that's the end. That's the end. Right?

[18:13] John: You would think that. Yeah. There's more to the world than we see with our eyes.

[18:17] Jan: Right.

[18:18] John: There's a spiritual realm.

[18:20] And so what happens the 14,000 days is the 14,000th day, is the day that Roman armies set Herod's temple on fire.

[18:32] Now, here's the key.

[18:34] Jesus died as a sacrificial offering and rises from the dead.

[18:39] His sacrificial death and resurrection replaced the Old Testament sacrificial system.

[18:48] That's what it did. And to prove it, he did it on that very day.

[18:55] I mean, you talk about divine control.

[18:57] Exactly.

[18:59] 14, 000 days. Okay, it begins with Moses,

[19:03] and it starts again with the destruction of Solomon's temple. There's 14,000 there. In fact, there are three temples in the Old Testament. You have the temple of Ezekiel,

[19:15] Solomon and Herod.

[19:17] Every one of them, the 14,000th day is on the same day of the year,

[19:24] all three of them.

[19:25] Okay, so Herod's temple is destroyed on the 14,000th day. So is Solomon's.

[19:32] Although you can't calculate it precisely, but it's the same principle.

[19:37] And then the vision given To Ezekiel,

[19:41] the 14,000th day is that same date that the other temples are destroyed on.

[19:47] So those are control features.

[19:49] Now if these are all 14,000 days precisely,

[19:54] and it comes from the 70 weeks, what do you think?

[19:57] 7 times 70,

[20:00] hidden 14,000 in there?

[20:03] What does that tell you?

[20:05] Jan: Well, it tells me there's nothing random with the way God does things.

[20:09] John: That's right.

[20:10] Is control. It's a control feature. Okay, let's say we did this, but we didn't get exactly 14,000 days every time. What would it mean?

[20:21] It would be meaningless. Let's say we got 10,199. Then you had 11,002, 20.

[20:28] Then you had 13, 8, 22,

[20:32] and 15,900.

[20:35] Would that mean anything?

[20:37] It's just randomness.

[20:39] But here, every time.

[20:41] Exactly.

[20:42] It's a control system.

[20:44] 14,000.

[20:48] So how can you get around it? Well, you can study the literature,

[20:54] read it,

[20:55] and you can see what other people are saying.

[20:57] And everybody's just fascinated.

[21:00] Yeah,

[21:01] because it actually is fascinating.

[21:05] And so I call it the fact that Herod's temple is destroyed by the resurrection, death and resurrection of Jesus.

[21:14] And it's foretelling that if you read and study verse 24 and Daniel chapter 9, you'll see how it correlates to all this information.

[21:24] And the destruction of Herod's temple is the end of the Old Testament sacrificial system.

[21:31] It it. And if you read Hebrews chapter 10,

[21:35] it's validating what I just said because it'll say,

[21:40] those animal sacrifices never saved a single soul.

[21:45] They were worthless. It was symbolism.

[21:49] Yeah,

[21:50] okay, but Jesus, resurrection and sacrifice and resurrection does save your soul.

[21:58] So you can live forever and give me a hug in heaven when we get there.

[22:03] Jan: Amen, brother. Amen. So you could pro, essentially take pretty much any major thing that happened throughout the Bible and try and pinpoint it scientifically.

[22:20] John: Well, you could. I haven't done all that. I've just worked.

[22:24] Jan: It would take more than a lifetime.

[22:27] John: Yeah, well, like, okay,

[22:29] I had difficulty in getting the precise scientific date for the decree to rebuild Jerusalem that's required in Daniel chapter nine because it's from that very day you count forward and, and you go.

[22:47] The destruction of Herod's temple is part of that, as it turns out.

[22:53] But to actually, this is another thing about it and it's actually telling you about Revelation is progressive.

[23:03] The more you get the Bible,

[23:05] the more accurate gets because you have to use,

[23:08] I call it a biblical constant.

[23:11] Out of the Book of Revelation,

[23:13] chapter 11, verses 2 and 3,

[23:15] you find 360 days per year.

[23:19] Well, the only calendar we know that used that was the Egyptians.

[23:23] Okay. At one point they used 12 months of 30 days, 360.

[23:28] You also find it in the book of Genesis at the time of Noah because they'll say it was five months,

[23:36] 150 days.

[23:38] Five months, that's 30 days. So it's 12 times 30 is 360.

[23:43] And in fact,

[23:44] maybe the Old Testament,

[23:47] the books of Genesis through maybe Joshua were using, or just before Joshua,

[23:54] we're using 360 days. We don't know. But it could be because in those,

[24:00] those books,

[24:01] no day has 29.

[24:06] This is the Jewish calendar. They'll have 29, 30, 29, 30.

[24:11] That's how it does.

[24:12] But there's a lot of variation in that. And you pick that up by studying the Babylonian astronomical data because the Jewish calendar came from the Babylonians and the Persians.

[24:25] It's the same pretty much. And so you learn about all the variation possible and all that. But it is possible again that they were using 360 days a year while they're wandering around in the desert.

[24:39] Okay. And, and that's based on the idea. So they will say when you enter the land, you're going to do this.

[24:46] Well, they weren't in the land,

[24:50] they're just wandering around in the desert.

[24:52] Jan: Yeah.

[24:54] John: You've heard people say that there's no evidence of God intervening in human events as the Bible proclaims.

[25:05] However,

[25:06] when you read the book, you discover there are repeating 14,000 day intervals and they're always consistent that way because they're controlled periods. It's evidence of God intervening in human events.

[25:21] So like at the time of Moses going through the desert all those people would have been controlled.

[25:28] Precisely.

[25:29] Another example would be the day that Roman soldiers set Herod's temple on fire.

[25:37] You can read it in Josephus there were two Roman soldiers and they like went awol.

[25:45] They're gonna do this. One of them goes and picks up a firebrand the other one picks him up and he throws it through a window into the temple of Herod and it catches on fire and burns down what was done on the 14,000th day in this time based matrix.

[26:05] So it's like you know if you think of a puppet on a string they were at the right place at the right time to do the will of God.

[26:16] Now to do that you had to get the whole Roman army in place four months earlier.

[26:22] All these events that go on and I count if you took and read Josephus there were at least 24 events by the Roman leaders and the Jewish leaders they made 24 decisions from the camping to the exact and to burn down that crazy and that actually back to Jesus.

[26:56] Find actually the consistent with Moses and the 21st century when the Israelis see of Jerusalem in the Six Day War to align puts which is telling you I'm going to come back.

[27:21] Jan: Well we may not be able to tell because Jesus says we can't tell the exact day of when he's coming back. But it's just fascinating to go back and see how science verifies so many things.

[27:34] It's the same with archaeology that verifies how many things in the Bible actually happen. So just just fascinating what you're doing

[27:43] John: Actually the and the Olivet discourse control periods according to Matthew and so Gospel of Matthew actually correlates with what hey if you think and you start beating your slaves and answer with the time from the station it's hidden crazy in our thumb on that day and the between the two gospels.

[28:22] Jan: That's crazy.

[28:23] John: Yeah fascinating.

[28:25] The book is about God.

[28:30] Now if here's another design if you sign it when you scientifically date say the decree to rebuild Jerusalem with a scientific method it's in appendix C in the book appendix D is the destruction of Harris temple getting the exact date and people will say it's fascinating if either of those days were off by even one day you wouldn't find this repeating 14000 days.

[28:58] Well the scientific dating is highly accurate because we're using lunar and solar eclipses with NASA scientific data and like using the lunar data and a couple of solar eclipses for the year AD 70 the confidence level is of being misled by the data is 1 chance and 10 to the power of 66.

[29:22] That's a huge number.

[29:24] It means, like this,

[29:25] the probability of being wrong or misled is only one chance in a thousand. You have to say a billion seven times. So one in a thousand. Billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion.

[29:37] Okay. That's highly accurate.

[29:40] Normally it's just 95.

[29:42] Well, I'm 10 to the 66th power.

[29:45] Okay. Same concept with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. If either of those days were off by even one day,

[29:53] we wouldn't find 14,000 days.

[29:57] That's how accurate the scientific dating is.

[30:01] Now, some people, they don't want to believe this. I've had one guy read it. He says,

[30:06] is this real?

[30:11] I said, well, it's like, you know, we're talking about God. Yeah, of course it's perfect,

[30:17] you know.

[30:18] Jan: Right.

[30:18] John: This is just a glimpse of. Of, you know, maybe it's a glimpse of what heaven is like. Perfection.

[30:26] Jan: Exactly. Let me ask one question. So are there other people that you know of that are doing this kind of studies?

[30:32] John: No, I'm the only guy.

[30:35] Jan: One and done.

[30:36] John: People ask,

[30:38] why.

[30:39] Why are you the only guy that said, I was born to do this?

[30:44] Yeah,

[30:46] literally. And there's. I could give you some evidence to support that, but it's kind of weird.

[30:54] And so God is intervening and. Okay, like the decree. So to rebuild Jerusalem, it had to be the right people at the right time and place to make it happen.

[31:07] To align 14,000 days precisely from the Palm Sunday, the day Jesus entered Jerusalem as a sacrificial lamb,

[31:18] to the day they burned down Herod's temple.

[31:22] Everything is under divine control.

[31:26] And you learn that when you read this book. So if you learn that and you understand it,

[31:31] your faith will go through the roof when you read this book. Yeah,

[31:37] literally.

[31:38] Jan: Okay, well, I'm gonna have to go order my copy today.

[31:43] John: That would be great. All right. Thanks for having me on.

[31:47] Jan: Yeah, thank you so much. It's been fascinating.

[31:51] John: All right.

[31:55] Jan: I don't know about you, but I thought that was really interesting.

[31:59] It really is something to ponder about, isn't it? I just ordered his book, so I'm anxious to dig into that and see the rest of the story. As they say, when you start to realize that God didn't just inspire the words in the Bible,

[32:13] but he actually wrote his precision and sovereignty into the very calendar of history, it changes everything.

[32:20] Those two soldiers who set Herod's temple on fire, they didn't have any idea they were standing on the 14,000th day of a divine countdown that started with Moses in the desert.

[32:32] And yet there they were.

[32:33] Right place, right time,

[32:35] fulfilling prophecy.

[32:37] That's our God. And it makes me wonder what is God having me or you for that matter,

[32:43] do now that will define something in the future.

[32:47] I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one, right? Maybe when we get to heaven we find out.

[32:52] I'll put links to John's book, the Science behind the Story of Jesus in the show. Notes if you know someone who's wrestling with whether the Bible is true, this book and this episode is for them.

[33:04] Science doesn't disprove God and John showed us that today. It just keeps finding more and more evidence that he's been in control all along.

[33:13] So thanks so much for listening to Just Talking About Jesus. If this episode blessed you, please share it. Leave a Review subscribe so you never miss what God has next.

[33:23] And until then, keep talking about Jesus.