Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
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Navigating Life's Passes: Brett Favre on Football, Faith, and Political Beliefs :: Ep 40 Try That In a Small Town Podcast
Football fans and curious minds alike won't want to miss our latest episode featuring the legendary Brett Favre. The former NFL quarterback opens up about his storied career, including playing alongside greats like Deion Sanders, and his unexpected journey from the Green Bay Packers to the Minnesota Vikings. Brett shares how he has found tranquility post-retirement, embracing a life filled with hunting and exploring the great outdoors of Mississippi and Alabama. His captivating tales reveal a side of Brett that few have seen, as he trades in the limelight of the stadium for the serenity of nature.
However, it's not all touchdowns and triumphs. Brett speaks candidly about the hard-hitting realities of football, particularly the issue of head injuries and concussions. He bravely shares his personal battle with Parkinson's and discusses the potential link to his time on the field. Through heartfelt anecdotes and reflections, Brett highlights the misconceptions surrounding concussions and the limitations of protective gear. His insights offer an eye-opening perspective on the physical toll of the sport and the broader implications for future athletes.
Our conversation takes a poignant turn as we explore Brett's political journey, his outspoken support for Donald Trump, and the challenges of navigating a polarized climate. This episode also revisits crucial moments of Brett's NFL career, from the emotional farewell to Green Bay to proving himself with the Jets and Vikings. Brett's reflections on resilience, faith, and the transition from a potential baseball career offer listeners a deeper understanding of the man behind the quarterback legend. Enjoy a discussion rich with personal stories, humor, and Brett's unyielding passion for wildlife, promising an inspiring listen for all.
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One of the people that did embrace you was Deion Sanders, who was a superstar at that time.
Speaker 2:He may have been at the top of the superstar status because he was playing baseball. And I tell people this all the time, right at the end of practice, a helicopter would come land on the practice field. Deion would jump on the helicopter and by the time I got home, after I showered and watched film, I'd watch him steal second base. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:I mean some of these dips, some of the things that they believe I'm sorry, but some of the things that they believe is okay is is not okay I'm sorry and I mean and I think people like maybe there was there's probably a lot of people that said I'm not voting for Trump. When they went in there to vote they were like I'm voting for. Trump, absolutely, I think there was a lot of that. We're going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1:Did you go to Minnesota to stick it to him so you could play him twice a year? I got to know that and then also go to the end of the year where the bounty gate thing happens and could you feel during that game that it was something different, that they were coming after you in a different way?
Speaker 3:yeah, I'll start with the lab the try that in a small town podcast begins now all right, y'all welcome back.
Speaker 1:This is the Try that in a Small Town podcast we got TK K-Lo Thrash on the end. I'm Kurt. We're from the Patriot Mobile Studios man. We have got an awesome, awesome guest today. He is a three-time league MVP, hall of Fame Super Bowl winning quarterback, brett Favre, southern Miss. Thanks for being here, bro.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for having me, Thanks for that wonderful introduction.
Speaker 1:I know it should be nice to be brought on like that man. We appreciate you, dude, and we know it's in the middle of football season. We got playoffs going, there's a lot of fun happening, a lot of games happening. Uh, this will air in a couple days. So do you have any favorites in the nfl? Right now, any teams I know the packers are eliminated. But uh, who are you looking at?
Speaker 2:um well, the packers and the Vikings, for obvious reasons, play for both. We'll see what happens, but you know, honestly, I don't watch a lot of football, believe it or not? Really, I really don't. I used to watch more college if I did watch, but I watched a little bit of the playoffs, the college playoffs, but like regular season, you know, like anytime during the day I'm outside I'm doing something, so I never come in and like just get in a recliner and watch for three hours.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's kind of like us man we don't listen to music. I don't listen to a lot of music. That's an interesting parallel. Yeah, we never listen.
Speaker 1:Seriously, we don't listen to music. I don't listen to a lot of music. That's an interesting parallel. Yeah, we never listen. Seriously, we don't listen to music on our off time. It's like the last thing we want to do.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. And when I left football I actually coached high school for two years my first two years out and I had a blast. It was sort of a favor to the head coach here at the local high school. I really enjoyed it. But after the second year I was like I think I'm just going to enjoy my free time. That's what I've been doing. I will watch, as I said, the college playoffs, nfl playoffs. I'll watch a little bit. Very rarely do I ever catch a whole game and I never go like to a stadium to watch. That would be asking a little too much.
Speaker 7:Well, ann, you wouldn't be able to watch it anyway. You'd be in a box and everybody would be talking to you, correct? You wouldn't be able to watch it anyway. You'd be in a box and everybody be talking to you and, correct?
Speaker 5:you wouldn't get to see anything are you down in hattiesburg right now? I am, I am yeah I just climbed out of a tree and left that whole world down. There I was. I was hunting like in a tree across the river from natchez, mississippi I was.
Speaker 2:I were you at around, glasscock?
Speaker 5:No, have you ever heard of Rifle Point? It's right next to Giles Island.
Speaker 2:I know it very well.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's where I've been for the last week and I left here. Beautiful place. Yeah, it's going that whole world.
Speaker 2:And I know you guys will know the Buzzbus family Matt, brian. I was at their place Friday, saturday and yesterday morning and then drove home yesterday. So we probably crossed paths somewhere around Natchez.
Speaker 5:Probably did. I got home about an hour ago, yep.
Speaker 2:Well, the big question is what'd you get?
Speaker 5:I didn't. I passed a lot of four-year-olds the whole time I was down there.
Speaker 3:So it was one of those trips.
Speaker 5:I've killed a bunch of big stuff down there, lots of big stuff down there.
Speaker 2:That area's known for big deer Vicksburg. They got really good deer Anywhere on the river. It's good hunting.
Speaker 5:And if anybody's never been to that part of the world, like you know, you hunt the Midwest and you hunt. I'm from Alabama, but still southern Mississippi, and anything on the river is magical. Anything on the river, it's just beautiful.
Speaker 2:Well, I was in your state Tuesday and Wednesday I was hunting in Demopolis.
Speaker 5:Yeah, the rut's going hard. I left the rut to come talk to you tonight. Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2:the rut's going hard. I left the rut to come talk to you tonight. Do you believe in that?
Speaker 1:Well, you're absolutely out of your mind. Yeah, we all know that I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 6:Well for you guys. I would hey Brett, obviously so great having you on and, you know, huge football fan, huge fan of like yours, like watching you play the way you played the game, the toughness you brought, played every game, played her. I mean the quarterback position. You know it's changed so much since you've, you know, been out of the game and I wanted to get your thoughts. Is there a quarterback that you watch today that you're like? You know that reminds me of me. You know that's how I would play the game. Is it like a Josh Allen or is it, you know, like one of those guys that you're liking to watch?
Speaker 2:play. Yeah, I think Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have a little bit of me, or I have a little bit of them, however you want to say it. And then there's another guy that I think, in regards to leadership and kind of his spunk, I relate a lot to, and that's Baker Mayfield. Yeah, I watched a little bit last night. I was pulling for him. What a tough joker man.
Speaker 2:He played his ass off. He played his ass off. You know they had a little hiccup there towards the end and I think it cost them on a snap count. But those three probably are the most similar to my play.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and it's amazing, you know, when you played, I mean the hits that you took and the way the quarterbacks in that era the quarterback wasn't as protected, obviously. No. It's so different watching these guys play. Now. What's your thoughts on that? It seems like it's going in the right direction.
Speaker 2:but you guys, I mean you took some massive hits, late hits there was, I mean, I've seen hits you've taken way after the whistle and on the sidelines, and just you know I'll be honest with you, at the time I sort of relished, you know I can't say relished the hit itself, but just kind of the fact that I could get back up and talk a little trash and kind of burst their bubble a little bit. At 55, I think a little bit differently. Maybe playing the role of John Wayne was not very good for long-term physical, but you know it's a different game, there's no question about it. I can't say that I like it, but I think they're going in the right direction of protecting players With the quarterback. It's almost too protective. Sometimes they call a rough and passer passer and the guy just falls down and I don't like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 2:And I think you know the cheap hits, the late hits, need to be removed from the game. But the clean hits that you know. Quarterback, I get it. You know they want points scored, they want to see their guy out there on the field, so they're going to protect him. I wish they had thought about that a little bit back when I was playing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I want to protect myself you know, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:I didn't have the restraint to slide. I just felt like what a sellout if I did that.
Speaker 6:How many of those times I mean you know were you really hurt, maybe you had a concussion, maybe and how many times did you go back in when you thought you had a concussion? Who knows, I mean a lot of those players back then you'd go back in you know, the protocols were in place.
Speaker 2:Probably believe what my last two and I played 20 years my last two years is when they really took a closer look at concussions. Prior to that you got a concussion and say you went to the coach and said, look, I'm a little woozy, I think I'm going to sit out Now. I would never do that, but the coach would kick me right in the ass if I had done that. Right, you know how dare you come out because your bell got rung? Well, now we know that. You know getting your bell rung can be serious down the road. Yeah, I was diagnosed roughly a year ago with Parkinson's.
Speaker 2:And one of the first questions I asked the doctor was where do you think I got it? And he said well, if it's not hereditary, and he said that's the first place we look Dad, grandpa, uncle, someone in the family. I don't have any history, he said. The obvious answer would be football. Now it is what it is. There's no going back. You can't turn back the time. So it kind of puts things a little more in perspective as I look back at my career. Would I have done it differently? Hard to say. My personality was that tough man, get up no matter what, get back in the huddle, go on to the next play mentality. And I just find it hard to believe that if I were able to go back, that I would be able to change that.
Speaker 1:Wow, hey, and it's probably a good time to segue into that. So last year you were the executive producer on a movie Concussed, and it tells the story of Tyler Sash, which I didn't know that before I watched the movie. And it was interesting because I actually knew his story. I'm from Iowa. My parents grew up right next to where he's from, in Oskaloosa, iowa. He went to the University of Iowa, all of that. So I was somewhat familiar with this story not into the in-depth version that you guys told it, but you know, just talking about all the concussions and stuff, was that, you know? Did you feel compelled that you needed to tell a story and what drew you to Tyler's story in particular?
Speaker 2:Well, the other guy that was involved in producing David Cano really did all the leg work and brought that story to light and I just kind of followed in with him. I was not familiar with Tyler, even though I played against him one time, so I was not familiar with the story. But you know, when I started kind of diving into it, how sad you know what a sad story he was, mr Everything in Iowa as you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and our goal was not to pick on the NFL or Pee Wee football or junior high or high school. It was to just shed the light on how serious this issue is. I have three grandsons the oldest is 14, 11, and 8. The three of them, they all play soccer. None of them play football. If they would come to me and say, paul, paul, we want to play football, I would support them, but I am not going to go out of my way to encourage them to play unless they want to play, because of the fear, first of all, the expectations that they would be under to be like your grandpa and secondly, most importantly, I would cringe every time they got tackled, just knowing what I know now about the physicality of football.
Speaker 7:It would take the enjoyment out of watching them play.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I personally. We have two girls that are grown so I never had to worry about it. They played volleyball or basketball or soccer. But I would certainly be.
Speaker 2:Every time they got tackled or their head hit the turf I would be wondering did they have a concussion? Which is why I've been an advocate for youth flag football and I call a lot of grief for that because of the way I play. But there's no reason for junior, high and elementary kids to tackle. Their brains are not developed. They're not knocking coaches, but they're not teaching proper technique. The kids are leading with the head and most concussions. I think people are a little bit surprised by this, but most concussions occur not necessarily from head to head, although some do. It's head hitting the turf, the whiplash effect. All the concussions I had was when I hit the turf and my head slammed back against the. You know whether it be grass or astroturf or a frozen field, that's where the concussions occurred. So that's the thing that I've tried to tell people. The NFL's done a lot to protect players, but the whiplash effect, falling to the turf there's nothing you can do for that. The helmet does not protect them.
Speaker 7:Yeah, because your head stops, but your brain doesn't. Everything else in your body is still moving that direction.
Speaker 2:I've told that story. I don't know if you saw the movie Concussion with Will Smith many years ago. I'll be honest with you, as I watched it I didn't know a lot of the I knew, like Mike Webster they talked about. He was like the first one that Dr Amalu did an autopsy on and found CTE. He coined the phrase CTE.
Speaker 2:I was not familiar with that story, dave Doerson they talked about him, that great Chicago Bear defensive back who wrote a note, killed himself and wrote a note to be sure and test my brain for something. Wrote a note to be sure and test my brain for some something. He didn't know what you know cause. Cte was just just being discovered. So that that was really the first time I walked out of there and I was like damn, you know.
Speaker 2:And I was probably a year removed from playing and I have to be honest with you, the big part of me, probably, like all of us, thinks that we're going to be bulletproof forever.
Speaker 2:But there was a small part of me as I walked out of there going what does the future hold for me now? Little did I know I'd be diagnosed with Parkinson's and whether or not it's related to football more than likely it is, I got it and more than likely it's a result of, you know, playing 20 years in high school and college and so on and so forth. So, dr Amalu, I had a conversation with him, believe it or not, on a conference call, and he said that same exact thing that the head stops but the brain continues to go. And that's the problem. The helmet does not, does not stop the brain when the, when the head stops, the brain continues to move and that's where the concussion occurs. The bruising, basically bruising of the brain, is the definition of concussion, more or less. So you can have the best helmets in the world, but you're not going to stop that whiplash effect.
Speaker 5:Brett, what was your first sign that something was going on, like your first red flag?
Speaker 2:Yeah, good question, and that's probably the question I get the most about and that's probably the question I get the most about. Two and a half years ago Roughly, I was outside doing something you are, we need mowing grass, whatever and I happen to notice a walking through the house. My arm was at a 90 degree, that wasn't frozen, but I just was kind of walking like this, my left arm, I was swinging it just like normal and I was like what the hell? I put my arm down, went about my way, swung the arm and, lo and behold, a little while later it was right back there. So that was the first thing.
Speaker 2:Shortly after that and I tell people this story, sometimes we get a chuckle out of it I'm brushing my teeth and I'm looking in the mirror, just like we've all done for years, and I didn't realize you turned a toothbrush in your hand. So you know, do one of these. Well, when I would turn the toothbrush, I would use my left hand and I thought what in the hell? That's kind of weird. And I thought what in the hell? That's kind of weird. And then the third thing was if I wore a long-sleeve shirt or a jacket long-sleeve jacket, hunt jacket, blue jean jacket, whatever. I could not guide my arm through the sleeve. I could feel my arm. It wasn't like I didn't have any feeling. I could not guide it through that hole and that went on for probably a year, year and a half, before I finally reached out to one of my buddies here, one of the doctors, and said I think I need to be checked out, and he actually asked me, much like yourself, what's going on. I told him and he said I want to see you tomorrow morning, but it sounds like Parkinson's. And I was like you can tell from that.
Speaker 2:Well, one of the calling cards with Parkinson's is something to do with the gait, the walk, and usually it has something to do with the arm not swinging or at a fixed position. When I take the medicine that 99% of the people with Parkinson's takes, the generic name is Sinemet, but it's Carbidopa, Levodopa. When I take the medicine every four hours, my arm swing is fine. If I if I, you know forget to take the medicine for whatever reason and I'm an hour over, I notice my arm is right back to, stuck in a 90-degree position. I'm like, oh, it's time for my medicine, but I'm very early. The good news is, I'm very early in the disease, and I say good news because there's always and I'm sure Michael J Fox, who's made it famous, has said this for 30, some odd years there'll be a cure next year or five years, and then you hope that that's the case.
Speaker 2:And if that's the case, then, my progression will stop right where I am, and that's early in the disease. If you're late stage, there's all kinds of problems. I mean uncontrollable shaking and tremors, permanent rigidity and stiffness, but all that right now is at a milder level. But the medication that I take does nothing to slow the progression. It just treats the symptoms for those few hours.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it's amazing. My uncle was diagnosed with Parkinson's about 12 years ago now and he's 74 now and, like you, he stays active and diet, and it's amazing. And, like yourself, he's spent a lot of his life like staying in shape and you know it's, it's really helped him like the physical part of you know how, how in shape he was for most of his life. But the diet and the exercise and staying active has really uh, with that, with the medicine and all the current treatments, he's great, like he's in, like he's mid seventies now and he's had it, you know, going on 15 years, I think actually. So it's, you know, very encouraging. Like you said, they're always. The medicines are getting better and better and you know it's, it's, it's well you know.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely 100% correct. Every I've seen five different specials, some on recommendation, like you gotta go see this guy. So I've gone to see these people and they all say the same thing what you're doing is the best thing and hope for a cure in the coming years, but diet, exercise are like paramount it's everything.
Speaker 6:yeah, absolutely it's. It's actually the doctor said like I think his last uh visit was a month ago and he's like don't change a thing, you know, keep walking to do your push-ups, do do you know? He does a lot. He does a lot of voice lessons, keeping all the vocal cords strong, keeping just regiment. He treats it like that, like a job, and he's been great and anyway, all the best, I mean because it's come a long way.
Speaker 5:Can you still pull your bow back?
Speaker 2:Oh, I can, yeah, I can miss too.
Speaker 5:No, can't we all? All you got to do, brother, is keep walking the woods and keep walking that river. That's all you got to do.
Speaker 2:Well, I try to stay as active as I possibly can. My thing is biking. My wife got me a bike about five years before I retired and she was like doing tries and iron men and all that stuff. And she got me a bike and it sat in the garage for probably 10 years. I was like why in the hell would I ever get?
Speaker 7:my bike.
Speaker 2:And once she finally convinced me to start doing it and I kind of got over that ass pain which you got to kind of leather your ass a little bit before you you get comfortable.
Speaker 3:Nothing about the seat is comfortable.
Speaker 2:I don't care what you say, but I'm like anywhere from 120 to 150 miles a week outside or inside, depending on weather.
Speaker 7:Wow, I do the, the mountain biking also, like the going down. No, no, I don't need any help. That stuff freaks me out a little bit To feel it.
Speaker 2:You can crash on any bike.
Speaker 5:You're begging for another concussion, but a mountain bike is just asking for trouble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and do you wear the biking clothes to real tight, are you one?
Speaker 3:of those guys.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll tell you a funny story. So the first time my wife talked me into going for a ride again, the bike had sat there for 10 years, I mean. The tires were dry, rotted and didn't have a mile on them. So pumped the tires up and I said I'm not wearing the biking shorts. Forget it. She said I'm telling you, you're going to regret that I'm like I ain't wearing those down biking shorts.
Speaker 7:Looks like you're smuggling grapes. I'm Brett Favre. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 2:So I didn't do it. Five miles into the ride I was dying, just absolutely dying. I was so raw I said, okay, you win, I'll wear the biking shorts. And it made a world of difference.
Speaker 5:I don't care how I look, it's okay, jim, we gotta, we gotta find a picture there actually is a purpose, then to the bike shorts that's.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that yeah, well I learned the hard way.
Speaker 3:I can tell you that yeah.
Speaker 7:Well, I mean, uh, when talking about the adversity and the Parkinson's and stuff, uh I mean, I spent a lot of time since I knew that we're you're blessed enough to have you come on the show and everything and and spend a lot of time just just watching just some old games and um and and and just your the adversity you went through. On a personal level Also, you went through a lot even in college, like before your senior year you had the, you had the wreck and then you've had a lot of haters over the years. You broke every kind of record that there was. Your wife had cancer, I think, your brother-in-law had an ATV accident and having Parkinson's. My question to you is I know you'll get through anything, cause you always have, and I've been watching it for a week you know, uh, what do you? What do you lean? What do you lean on? How do you get through all that stuff? And it's always been the same thing.
Speaker 2:Well, we got good support, family, but our faith, you know, we uh. I can remember as if it were yesterday, when my wife she was 33. She was at the best shape of her life, she was doing tris Ironman and she said I'm going to the doctor. Tuesday was our off day and she went to her mother-in-law my mother-in-law was staying with us and those two went down to Milwaukee for what I thought was a routine doctor's appointment. And when she came back I said how'd it go? And I had no clue that she had a lump on her breast. And she said well, I got breast cancer. And I was like, oh, come on really.
Speaker 2:And that was on a Tuesday. I'd actually went in and worked out and watched some film and she got back late that afternoon. And I remember what day it was because Wednesday, the following day, her brother was killed on an ATV on our property and I'm like what a double whammy, you know. I mean how bad can it get? So and I'll never forget, we were playing Tennessee on Sunday night football that week and I couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast, but I remember that week very well.
Speaker 2:But we lean on our faith and you know I'm no different than anybody else. I slip and fall and get back on the horse again and hit the prayers and hit the good book. But there's been a lot of things that, as you said, you pointed them all out that could have easily made me throw in the towel All different times in my career. And you know and I said this in the Hall of Fame speech, you know, without Jesus Christ there's no question I would have never been in front of that crowd and speaking May not have been alive, to be quite honest with you. So I'm very blessed and thankful that he's taking care of it.
Speaker 7:Well yeah, we're thankful too. And one thing's for sure, you know, in talking about the concussions and stuff like that, you know we didn't used to wear seatbelts. I mean, you know, when people drive cars my dad would come out of cars. So so you live and learn and you improve. Like, yeah, we, we used to used to sleep in the in the back back of the amani car, up in the back window, but as kids. But because I trust my dad, he's not gonna wreck us, you know. But but you know you live and learn and and and all those things. But, uh, but you've kind of. You know one thing's for sure to me, and just just watching your game and these guys we all talked about it, I know you're such a, I don't know. You're a superhero to us and to the world and one of the best QBs ever to exist and you were meant to play football. There's no doubt. If you ever think back like, hey, should I have done this? I wish I wouldn't. I 100%.
Speaker 2:God wired you to play football. No question, I tell people my dad was really. His expertise was baseball and he played both. But I had two goals I had to play pro football or pro baseball and I didn't have. You know, it wasn't like I hope it's this one. Whichever one offered me the opportunity, I was going to take it and there was no plan C, so thank God I didn't have to. I went to school to be a teacher and a coach. Thank God for those students.
Speaker 6:I didn't have to be a teacher. Now your dad. I heard a great interview and you were talking about your dad and how he liked to give you tips after the game. You know, or like tell you what you didn't do, and you're like Dad, you never threw a football. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:I remember when I was coaching high school at Oak Grove High School they ran like everyone else, spread offense, quarterbacks and shotgun. That was sort of I did a little shotgun the latter part of my career, but not huddling up looking to the sidelines getting to play. I was really the one who had to kind of relearn the offense. But I remember talking to the guys one day out on the field, the offensive guys, and I said back when my dad was my coach and we ran the wishbone, and they kind of looked at me funny. I said how many of you know what the wishbone is? One guy raised his hand. His answer was like I think it's like you hand off all the time. I was like, yeah, all the time. Most of the throws that I threw were a busted run play and I had linemen 20 yards down the field. In fact I threw a two-point conversion with one of my linemen and no one ever caught it. I mean the referees had no clue.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, but I've heard that too. So when you were in high school football, I mean it was a wishbone offense, but apparently you could throw like in the 90s with the baseball. So how did that option happen, or you know that choice happen to say like, well, now it's going going to be football, even though you weren't throwing the ball a lot then?
Speaker 2:yeah so I got a scholarship to actually play both at southern miss baseball football. I'll be honest with you. A part of me wants to say that I knew I would start as a true freshman, but the reality is I I really thought that my my best chance to play early in college would have been baseball, which would come in the spring. So I go to training camp. I'm 17 years old, I'm last on the total poll of the quarterback position. I was actually seventh on the depth chart and a couple of guys got hurt. A couple of guys got in, didn't play very well and by the first game game we opened up with Alabama in Birmingham and I'm third. So I made a tryout on team and didn't play in that game. We played two lane the following week. The first two guys didn't play very well and the coach was like put him in and the rest was history.
Speaker 2:So at the end of that year me and my dad talked about it, about should I go out and play baseball, which, honestly, at that time my first love was baseball. It was a close race but I would say baseball was my favorite. But I knew that starting as a true freshman was something I couldn't. You know, most people don't get an opportunity to do that. So my dad was like my advice is just scrap baseball, put all your time in football. That way you don't miss spring practice and give someone else a chance to showcase what they can do. You're taking all the reps. And it was good advice. But once I got to the NFL I didn't miss baseball anymore, but college the further I got removed from it, the less I missed it.
Speaker 6:So Atlanta drafted you correct, Is that right? So I heard an interview saying that Glenville, that didn't go so well. Right, he was a little hard on you. I love that story.
Speaker 2:You probably heard the story. So I show up for the first mini camp the day after the draft. There's two flights out of Gulfport, mississippi, down on the Gulf Coast, to Atlanta. The first one was like 8 in the morning and that was the one I was scheduled to be on. It got delayed. So I get to Atlanta and it's about an hour drive up to Suwannee, georgia, and the guy that picked me up I'll never forget, danny Mock. He was like in the scouting department and it was just he and I driving up and I was like I'm going to be late for practice, which I was probably 45 minutes late, maybe an hour and he's like, oh, it happens all time, no big deal, coach. I mean this is a mini camp, it's not that important and I'm thinking maybe so, but this is not.
Speaker 2:It was something I couldn't control. So I get to the facility, they're out there on the practice field. I'm like this is the last thing I'm going to do is come out there late. You know, if there was 20 other guys with me it would be different. So I throw on my jersey and my helmet, I walk out of the facility and Danny's waiting on me and he says I'm going to bring you over to coach. So Jerry Glanville's got his back to me. Little short, scrawny guy. He's got one of those air horns in his back pocket, he's got a black windbreaker on with a cowboy hat and Danny says hey, coach, got your quarterback. So he turns around, he's got his dark shades on and he says Mississippi.
Speaker 3:I said yes sir coach.
Speaker 2:He said what school are you from? And I thought to myself hell, they just drafted me. Surely he knows that right. So I said Southern Miss coach. And he goes ah, damn, we drafted the wrong guy. We wanted a guy from Mississippi State and I was like, honestly, I was like should I laugh at?
Speaker 3:this. Is he joking or?
Speaker 7:did he really?
Speaker 2:draft the wrong guy and from there it went downhill. It only got worse. Later on. I found out when I was year 14 or 15 in Green Bay we hired a guy named Sean Herrock whose dad was a GM, ken Herrock at Atlanta who drafted, and we struck up a friendship. I said, sean, what's the deal, you know, was it Jerry that really wanted me out? He goes absolutely. He said during the draft he wanted that I was the 32nd or 33rd pick.
Speaker 2:Atlanta had two picks in the first round. They drafted a cornerback and a receiver, and then I was like the first pick in the second round and Jerry Glanville is a defensive guy, so he wanted to pick a defensive guy and Ken Herock had the final say and he said, no, we're getting this quarterback. So, sean, the way he put it, he said Jerry was going to make life miserable on my dad by just beating you up over and over again. So when they got an offer at the end of that year from Green Bay to give up a first-round pick for a guy that didn't even play as a rookie and was drafted in the second round, they said too much to pass up, which was a blessing for me.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%. That's an incredible story. I do want to ask you that year in Atlanta, so you barely played?
Speaker 2:Obviously, glanville is not your biggest fan, but I think I heard you say one of the people that did embrace you was deon sanders, who was a superstar at that time, and he may have been at the top of the superstar status because he was playing baseball and I tell people this all the time right at the end of practice a helicopter would come land over the practice field. Dion would jump on the helicopter and by the time I got home, after I showered and watched film, I'd watch him steal second base.
Speaker 2:No shit, no shit, I mean it was crazy, but yeah, he took me under his wing. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 1:We're still good friends today, talk all the time oh, that's great to know, because dion's still obviously in the headlines. He's doing a great job at colorado and correct. Who knows what he's going to do in the future. But that's awesome.
Speaker 2:That's amazing yeah yeah, it was pretty cool because they were in the world series that year and so I'd go home and my brother lived with me, my older brother. He was teaching. He was actually a teacher not a very good one, might I have, because, be honest with you we stayed out probably till daylight every night. Okay, you know my, my motto was I'll show jerry glanville, I'll party myself right out of the night. I absolutely did. I would not recommend. If there's any young people watching this, do not do that. But it worked for me.
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Speaker 1:Hey, I do want to ask you about this because I think it's important. So I follow I think we all follow you on social media. A little before the election you know it was a few months I noticed you started speaking out a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more, and that followed with, you even did a rally in wisconsin for trump. Uh, you know it's not an easy thing to do. I do want to ask you if you felt compelled to do something, to speak your voice, or was it a natural thing that, like hey, this is just how I feel, and I feel like it's an important time for the country great question and the answer to that is twofold.
Speaker 2:I felt like I needed to speak up. I felt like a lot of us needed to speak up. Some would, some wouldn't. I just felt a calling to. You know, no one's perfect, president Trump. I no one's perfect, no one's perfect, I'll be the first to admit that. But I really felt like we were in a much better position with Trump as our president, and I've had a chance to visit with him, much like Jason has over the years, and seen him in a different light, which was just very pleasant. But you know, this legal case I've been fighting the civil lawsuit in the state for the last five years is the biggest bunch of BS. But the attorneys that I've hired are all conservatives, and one is very close to Trump as well and actually represented him in the January 6th ordeal, and so they help kind of navigate. You know it's a slippery, slippery slope, but I had nothing to lose.
Speaker 2:You know my career was over you know when, when that civil lawsuit came about, every endorsement I had dropped me, and so I'm like what the hell? I might as well just fight the good fight. And that's kind of my motto just do what I can to help. And was invited to go to Green Bay, and I was well aware that Wisconsin was one of those states that would be hard to win, if even there was a chance to win, if even there was a chance, and a lot of people that I'm still friends with up there was like come do it, come do it. And I'll be honest with you, I didn't think I would sway one voter who knows if I did or I didn't Because I really felt like everyone had kind of drawn a hard line in the sand at that point everywhere, not just Wisconsin, and said I'm voting for whoever runs against Trump, I don't care what they stand for, I'm just voting for them, no matter what.
Speaker 2:Then there's those that were like all of us. We knew that Trump was the best thing for our country. Whether you like him or not, he was the best person for our country and we're going to vote that way. So I didn't think there was at that point. I was like there's not too many people, I would say it's on the fence. But I'll be honest with you, I was shocked that not only did he win Wisconsin overwhelmingly, but all the other ones as well. I think we all could have predicted the ones he wouldn't have won, and that was the case, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I just felt a calling. You know, when I got up to speak at that rally, I was probably more nervous than I've ever been in any football game and it was I don't know 5, 6, 7,000 people.
Speaker 2:Just because it was, I was way out of my element talking politics, but it just kind of flowed out and you know, I said a little prayer before I went out there. I said, lord, give me the words to say and it was really awesome to see, first of all, him win, but to see him win in Wisconsin and, quite frankly, some of those states that he didn't even come close the previous year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I promise you, brother, you did make a difference. Yeah, you did, I promise you that yeah absolutely.
Speaker 6:It was nice. We talked about it a lot Made me feel so rejuvenated in the country itself. I think everybody had just had enough. Yeah, Enough of. It came down to common sense, Absolutely. I think Kurt said it best. I think someone like yourself who gets out there and says what you're feeling it definitely had an effect. It has to.
Speaker 1:You're not out there talking politics or the tax reforms. You're speaking from the heart and what you feel like you want your kids to be able to grow up in in a good America.
Speaker 5:It's common sense. It was all common sense at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This election, to me, was the easiest election ever. I mean, you want one of two things you want this thing to fall apart, like it's continuing to do, or you want it to get back together. And I mean some of these dipshits, some of the things that they believe I'm sorry, but some of the things that they believe is okay is not okay.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:No, it's not I mean I think people like maybe there's probably a lot of people that said I'm not voting for Trump. When they went in there to vote they were like I'm voting for Trump.
Speaker 5:Absolutely. I think there was a wrong direction.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I watched the Biden presser today and I was sitting there watching and I thought, man, if everything he actually said happened, this country would be in great shape right now.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, he really believes in amazing guys. Maybe he thinks it did.
Speaker 2:Who knows it?
Speaker 6:amazes me.
Speaker 2:And he gets a standing ovation.
Speaker 7:I'm like it's just crazy to me.
Speaker 6:That was nice, though, for everybody to you know was a decision. Like you said it, brett, it's like let's watch it fall apart or we can heal it. You know, I think people made that choice and I, brett, you're right, I think they get in there and and and voted trump, obviously. Yeah, you know, yeah yeah well it was.
Speaker 2:It was an overwhelming, landslide victory. I figured when I woke up that morning that there was going to be unfinished counting of votes and it's going to take several days, but it was so clear-cut, big of a victory that they couldn't cheat. If they were going to try, I'm not saying they cheated. Yeah.
Speaker 7:As Trump would say, too big to try. I'm not saying they cheated, yeah, as Trump would say too big to rig.
Speaker 6:Yeah Well, no, the best thing that happened was everybody going to bed with you know, her conceding and it was over before you know the next day. It could have gotten messy, had it carried on and you know, weird, but for everybody, just to know. I think that's why you still feel that sense of calm I do, overall in the country it's like okay, well, that's a clear-cut victory, let's move on.
Speaker 5:I think there's going to be a lot of people like yourself, brett, and artists, singers, entertainers, actors or whatever. They're going to start being a little bit more vocal.
Speaker 2:I think we're seeing it a little bit. I think you're absolutely right that people are seeing that supporting some of the things that the left supports has not served them well, which is surprising to me after Bud Light that issue with Bud Light that you still see these big companies lean to the left a little bit and it costs them. You would think at some point they'd go. We don't want to go there and I think that trend is starting to lean our way, some definitely with the individuals.
Speaker 6:Well, you're seeing a sad to say as sad as it is in in california right now with these fires. You can see it where everybody's realizing look, you know, cutting, cutting first responders and and cutting your, you know budgets where it really needs to be, and people are suffering and it's really sad to see that Cutting funding.
Speaker 2:but taking that cut in funding and using it for housing illegal immigrants.
Speaker 5:That's right. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense?
Speaker 2:No, especially when you don't have water in your fire hazard waiting to happen on any given day well, that's your campaign.
Speaker 6:That makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, you're in california, where that's that's you. You're looking at the one of your that's one of your major threats is is wildfire and and to not attack that and make sure you're you're protected and do the best you can to prevent it. You're already doing a huge disservice. So it's it's sad to see what's going on out there. People are feeling, feeling this and they're learning a hard lesson, unfortunately, and it's it's a it's terrible to see what's happened out there, you know you're either going to see a big change out there, a big revolution out there, similar revolution yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5:Yeah or they're going to be coming here again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's been kind of a migration coming our way anyway. That's right, but there may be a big migration coming. Yeah, I can't imagine living there and still thinking that the leadership is very competent and it's someone else's fault outside of the state. I can't imagine that if you got any sense about you, that you would think that way.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I think it's kind of some good hope. It's a sign. When Zuckerberg and Meta is doing press conference on doing away with DEI and everything, it seems like there's a lot of power and a lot of money moving in a more conservative direction or more middle America.
Speaker 2:I hope it continues, because you guys made the comment just a few minutes ago that there's a certain calm, that we're at ease, a much more manageable daily routine. You know, you don't have to worry about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:Now the California issue kind of festered up some wounds that you know, we thought, you know, we think that everything's going to be okay, but that's kind of a reminder of we still got some work to do. But I think you're right, there is a great deal of calm and quietness, especially from really both sides, and Trump has been really surprisingly, I think they're starting to like him a little bit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think they're starting to like him a little bit. Yeah, I think people realize, though, that the media was fending that fire. So much with the hatred towards Trump, true, you know the media is feeding it to the.
Speaker 6:I think people now are waking up to the fact that wait a minute. You know we've met and the feeling we've got from him every time we've been with him is like this guy loves the country. You don't have to like him. If you don't like him as a person, that's fine. We've had nothing but great things to say about him, absolutely, because when we're with him it's like man, this guy is just awesome.
Speaker 5:Yeah, all I had to do was just stop and think this guy doesn't have to put himself what he's put himself through. He didn't have to do this.
Speaker 2:No, it's obvious that he loves his country. No, I think that's one of the most important points that I've tried to get across to people. It's like he obviously loves his country because he's got all the money in the world, he's got the biggest house or hacienda anywhere to be found. He's got golf courses anywhere in the world. Why would he want to be president?
Speaker 2:Because he loves his country and then to get shot. You would think he'd be like you know what? I'm just going to ride off into the sunset, Screw this. But no, he doubles down.
Speaker 6:He's now the voice for the middle class, which is, which is, which has he ever been middle class.
Speaker 2:It's amazing to see the transformation that's that's that's president trump and you guys know it like I know it on a more personal level and he is engaging and easy to talk to.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, it's incredible. Hey, so we're coming to the end of this podcast, but I do. I always said, if I get the chance to ask you this, I want to ask you about the end of your career a little bit. There's two things I got to know. So you had 16 years in Green Bay. You went to New York for a year because they wouldn't deal you to an uh, an NFC team. Did you go to Minnesota to stick it to them so you can play them twice a year? I gotta know that. And then also go to the end of the year where the bounty gate uh thing happens, and could you feel during that game that it was something different, that they were coming after you in a different way?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll start with the ladder. Um, it's. It's funny because when all that came out about the bounty gate and stuff, my wife was like I knew something was up during that game, because it was just different than any other game for me. When you're in the moment sometimes you're kind of oblivious to what's going on. You just got. It was so loud in that dome, I mean it was deafening, you could. I was screaming at the top of my lungs and no one could hear me. So I was just very stressed out. But I did think, I have to admit, I did think I didn't think that there was a bounty. I didn't think that. But I thought, and I'll tell you why there was a guy that played for the Saints that I played with for seven or eight years, darren Sharper. He was the safety.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he was hard-hitting.
Speaker 2:Great player for us, real rangy, very good like covering the field, free safety. And he had two late hits on me that were way late and that was very uncharacteristic of a dare, and I even said to him after the second I'm like I'll call him sharp. I said sharp, what the hell's the deal? You never hit anybody late. You've hit me twice like blatantly late. So again did I think there's a bounty out on me? I'll say this there's always a bounty on the quarterback, but within the confines of the game. You know, what they were doing was outside the confines, like whatever you got to do, snap his leg, hit him. Like whatever, I'll pay for the fine, whatever it is, just get his ass out. That's what they were being told to do. But if you could get a quarterback out or the best player out of the game within the confines, the legal confines of the game, hey, that's better for us. But you know so I thought something was up, but I wouldn't have gone as far to say that they were paying at any cost. As far as the first, when I left the Jets, I had to have surgery If I was going to play again. I had to have surgery on my torn bicep. I tore it about nine games in week nine ten with the Jets. I played like shit but I played. But I knew I didn't want to go back and play with the Jets Nothing against them. But I knew the Packers sent me out there to just waste away and never be heard from again. I knew that but I had no choice. So when the Jets wanted me back, mike Tannenbaum was the GM, great guy and he said look, right after the season. He said go home If you want to come back. He was awesome, we'd love to have you back. I know that you've got a bicep issue. If you choose to play, get it fixed. Just know that I'm not going to bother you. Right before the draft. I'm going to call you. If you want to come back, come on back. If you don't, I'm going to let you go. What's important about that? I'm going to let you go. And what's important about that? When he said let you go, he was going to cut me, meaning I was free to go anywhere I wanted. You know I could sign with whoever I wanted, talk to whoever I wanted, and they wouldn't get anything. He said and I'm going to catch hell if that happens because I'm, rather than deal you, I'm just going to let you go. So I knew I didn't want to go back there. I said I'll give it some time. So I came home Draft was probably three months later, you know, second week in April somewhere around there and with each day that passed I got further away from wanting to play at all, whether it be Minnesota.
Speaker 2:I was just beat up. I'll be honest with you. I was at the end of my rope. In the back of my mind I kept saying if I do give it up and just retire, even though I kind of feel like that's where I want to go, I'm going to always regret the opportunity to go play against the Packers, prove myself Right or wrong. You know I've told people this story and it kind of posed the question what would you do if a team? Keep in mind my best statistical season as a Packer in 16 years was my 16th year. My last year as a Packer was by far the best stats I've ever had. So I made it difficult for the Packers to move in a different direction by playing so well. It would have been easier if I'd stunk and they just said, hey, we're going to let you go and said, well, it'd been easier if I'd stunk?
Speaker 2:And they just said hey, we're going to let you go. So I think what that did was made it hard for them to let me go and move in a different direction. The best thing that could happen for them was just me retire so they don't have to deal with me, they don't have to worry about it, they can just move on. Well, I did that under some pressure to give him an answer. The mistake I made was giving him an answer too soon, because once I said I was going to retire, they did a press conference the next day. It was a fast track to get him out of there. That's the way I felt. And then about May or June, you know, I was like I kind of had the itch to play, but I knew I didn't want to play at Green Bay because I knew management didn't want me.
Speaker 3:And I was okay with that.
Speaker 2:I stress that to everyone I was okay with it. What I wasn't okay with was and I made this comment to the GM and the head coach at the time I said so I'm not good enough to play for you, but I'm too good to play against you.
Speaker 3:And they didn't like that.
Speaker 2:Because if the answer to that is that's not true, then why not just let me go wherever I want? But you know they didn't want to hear that, so that was always in the back of my mind. Like they wanted to, they won by trading me to the Jets and moving on, when I, you know, there may have been 10 teams that wanted me. I don't know that. I know that they said two teams wanted me Tampa Bay and the Jets and I didn't do myself any favors when I went back to Green Bay.
Speaker 2:Before I got traded I had to go back in order. The NFL rule says you have to go back to the team that you're presently on in order for them to make a move, whether it be cut, trade or you stay there and play. So I went back, knowing that the management didn't want me, and so, after I got just yelled at for about an hour or two over the facility from the head coach, uh, he said you'll see the gm, I can't deal with you. I said all right, fine. So I went and met with the gm and he said look, go home, go back to your house here in green bay. My agent was in town. He and my wife were at our house. Go back and talk to them. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers want you and the Jets want you. Y'all figure out which one you want to go to and we'll come to your house in an hour and talk about it. So in that hour of time I looked up the schedules. The Jets didn't play even close to Green Bay.
Speaker 3:Tampa.
Speaker 2:Bay played the Packers the fourth game of the year. So I said I'm going to Tampa Bay and it's a true story. So they show up at the door. It was the GM and three other guys, not the coach. They come in and sit down and it was crickets for five minutes. It was awkward. So I said well, I know where I'm going to play. Where is that? I said well, I know where I'm going to play. Where is that? I said Tampa Bay. And they were like why would you want to do that? I said I'll tell you why the fourth game they play the Packers and I'm going to kick your ass. So an hour later we jumped on a plane. We flew back to Hattiesburg. Our youngest daughter I'm reading her a story in bed she's like Dad, where are we going? I said we're going to Tampa Bay. She says why? And I said because it's close to Disney.
Speaker 5:World. She's like oh yeah, great, that's great.
Speaker 2:No more than I got that out of my mouth, my agent calls me and says are you watching TV? I'm like no, he's like they just traded you to the Jets. Wow. And I went. You have got to be shitting me. And so I had that in the back of my mind at the end of that year. I said if I throw in the towel they're going to win again. So Mike Tannenbaum calls me the day before the draft and says what about it? And I said I'm not coming back, mike. He said God's honest truth. He said I wish you the very best of luck, I know what you're going to do. So the next day I was cut. They drafted Mark Sanchez as their quarterback.
Speaker 2:I went to Pensacola to see oh hell, I can't even think of the doctor's name. He's done three surgeries on me. He'll kill me. But anyway, I went and had surgery on my bicep and two days later I signed with the Vikings and you know they had all the fanfare, they had helicopters, they had all this stuff. Believe me, I didn't want any of that because in the back of my mind I was like I got to find a way to muster up the energy to play 14 other games, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I knew there was two games I was gonna be ready for. Yeah, and fortunately that year not only did we beat them twice, and look, I had some, and still have some dear friends within that organization and in town. So but no means my disrespect from that team, but how could you not want to show your old team or band in your case?
Speaker 6:If you're competitive, and that's just human nature you're going to that's what you're gonna want so, as roger is stealing your thunder, he's going to the jets, and now is minnesota next for aaron rogers.
Speaker 2:He's gonna just finish it out like you did yeah, I don't know what the hell the deal is, but um I love that, by the way. I don't know I mean, the guy can still play if he can stay healthy.
Speaker 6:Yeah, who will take a chance on him?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that was great on his Netflix thing that you did. You guys had some time together on that and I thought that was really cool because you know, man, it's so great having you on.
Speaker 2:This is for us this is like Thanks for having me. I really enjoy it. What a blast. You're my kind of people.
Speaker 5:Well, we appreciate that. I got to tell you one thing it's like if they ever tear down Legion Field in Birmingham I got a lot of memories there. I played there. I'll grab a brick for you if they ever tear it down.
Speaker 2:That's where we beat Alabama. That's right.
Speaker 3:I don't want to hear that we won't talk about that High tide, high tide.
Speaker 7:High tide. Hey Brett, one more quick question, if you don't mind, and I know sports and entertainment are very much linked and you've got the fans, you've got the audience, your heart's racing, the adrenaline and all that stuff. And I know, with entertainment and Aldine and these guys, I mean if, if somebody will, you know, hire us at 90 years old, they can put us out in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank and we'll sing out there on stage and you still get there, but you're not being able to play physically, like at a certain certain age or whatever. How do you replace that high Like what do you and have have you? Do you miss that part of it or are you okay with it?
Speaker 2:No, you know that's an awesome question and most guys that I've been around that retire, whether it be year seven, year 12, very few have played as long as I have. But most of the guys don't go out on their terms. You know they got hurt or they just didn't perform at the level that was acceptable and they just get let go. I, on the other hand, I retired three times and each time I came back I played pretty damn good and you know I knew really like we just talked about, really when I left the Jets I really had had enough. So I technically retired and came back out, but I really had had enough and I felt like I got nothing to prove, except to the Packers, that I could still play.
Speaker 2:Is that a reason to come back and play? I ended up doing it, but for me, when I finally, after my second year with the Vikings, which was a terrible year got beat to hell, I knew I'm done. And I mentioned to you about coaching high school, I didn't even want to do that. I had enough of football. To be honest with you I'm sure guys have said that and then three months into the season, or two weeks into the season or whatever, or playoffs come about and you go. I wish I was there. I have never wished I was there since I was a child, that's great.
Speaker 2:Those guys that I've, teammates that I've come across that have been out of football for a while, I'm like, hey, how's it going? Several of them have said kind of the same thing. Like man, I missed the structure. Having to be somewhere at a certain time I never thought would be important, but now I can do whatever I want and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:So having some you know I will my family was, was intact. I had two girls and I actually had my first grandson right year 20. So I was busy. We did a lot of travel. We never traveled when I was playing, but since I retired we've gone to Israel. We've gone to Ireland twice, switzerland, italy, and I know you guys do a lot of traveling. First and I tell people this all the time they thought something was wrong with dad. My first year out of retirement I said let's go on a vacation. They were like you Vacation.
Speaker 6:Because I was selfish.
Speaker 2:All those years when that season was over I wanted to come home, hunt, hide out and just do whatever Saw wood, dig holes, cover them back up, whatever it was, and I had plenty to keep me busy. But I was like, let's take a trip. And they were like, okay, where do you want to go? And I said let's go to Yellowstone. I just threw it out. I'm a big animal buff. I like watching these animal shows and stuff. We went out there and we had a blast. From there we've never looked back. It's been great.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Like we've said here, brett, we've always been big fans of your professional football career. We're even bigger fans of who you are as a human being. We just appreciate you, we appreciate your time and thank you for spending with us tonight.
Speaker 6:Come out to a show.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me Friends for life.
Speaker 1:Thank you, brad, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Guys, take care. I hope to see you at the show. Let's do it.
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