Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
Try That in a Small Town Podcast
Jason Whitlock - Speaking Truth in a Cultural Storm :: Ep 55 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
What happens when one of media's most outspoken voices sits down with the writers behind "Try That in a Small Town"? A raw, unfiltered conversation that cuts through the noise of today's cultural battles.
Jason Whitlock brings his signature fearlessness to the podcast, sharing personal stories about growing up in Indianapolis where his father owned several bars in working-class Black neighborhoods. These formative experiences shaped his perspective on community, faith, and the shared values that transcend racial divides. With candid humor and piercing insight, Whitlock challenges the hosts and listeners alike to consider how today's cultural climate has created unexpected shifts in American music.
The discussion takes a fascinating turn as Whitlock explains his journey into country music after moving to Nashville in 2020. Having grown up primarily listening to R&B and rap, he found himself drawn to the authentic storytelling and emotional depth of artists like Morgan Wallen and Aaron Lewis. This leads to a powerful observation about how great art emerges from struggle, and how today's country music gives voice to Americans who feel silenced or marginalized by mainstream culture.
Throughout the episode, the conversation weaves between music, faith, politics, and personal responsibility. Whitlock doesn't shy away from controversial topics, challenging conventional wisdom about race relations, gender roles, and the importance of Biblical values in modern society. His perspective on the courage required to stand apart from the crowd resonates deeply with the songwriters, who share their own experiences of creating music that pushes against cultural expectations.
Whether you're passionate about music, cultural commentary, or just appreciate authentic conversation that doesn't follow predictable scripts, this episode offers refreshing honesty and thought-provoking insights. Listen now and join the conversation about what it really means to speak your truth in today's divided America.
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Speaker 2:They're part of the PSYOP, they're part of the whole media ecosystem that has, quite frankly, put Black people in the music industry in a certain lane. This is all you can do. Cuss, talk about strippers and hoes, talk about radical materialism. I will agree with that. Talk about that's all you can do, cause, trust me, I know the rappers that are storytellers, like really clever, and are trying to say something Well, I don't really care about your feelings. God doesn't care about your feelings. What I feel, what I think, what I like completely irrelevant, cause this person was reaching out to me over Twitter says he's a believer in Jesus Christ and I was like you don't understand that what you like is irrelevant. What God like is the only thing that matters. If you look at the actual stats of police brutality, the data screams. Police pretty much bend over backwards to avoid conflict because they want to go home too. And then the people that want to argue with them. While on fentanyl, your death rate just goes up, and George Floyd found that out.
Speaker 1:The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
Speaker 3:All right, everybody, welcome back. This is the Try that in a Small Town podcast coming to you from the Patriot Mobile Studios. It's going to be a fun night. I got Caleb, I got Thrash, I got TK and tonight's going to be awesome. We've got somebody who is not afraid to speak their mind. It's going to be fearless. He might even give you a run for your money, whether it's about politics, sports, culture, religion, whatever to speak their mind. This is going to be fearless. I might even give you a run for your money, whether it's about politics, sports, culture, religion, whatever it is. He's an award-winning journalist, host of the Fearless with Jason Whitlock podcast. Let's give it up for Jason Whitlock, all right.
Speaker 6:Let's go here, we are Thank you man.
Speaker 3:You know, we haven't even asked you a question, we've offended like 30 people. I think that's how we are uh, we were talking right before we came on. Let's do this because I think it's topical, it's local. Um, I'm not sure when this is going to air, but it'll either be right before or right after the nfl draft. Nice, the Titans have the number one pick. Who are they going to draft? Who should they draft?
Speaker 2:They're going to draft Cam Ward.
Speaker 5:Yes, that's my pick.
Speaker 2:They should draft Travis Hunter. I don't think any of these quarterbacks in this draft are can't miss. I think Cam Ward is high risk. He had a good college career, but I think in most drafts, if it was a healthy quarterback draft, he'd go in the second half of the first round or bottom half of the top 10. And Travis Hunter is someone that most people believe is going to be a perennial pro bowler. And so take the sure thing, don't take the high risk. Pick. If you can get someone who you know, like, hey, we can pencil him at cornerback or wide receiver and I would play him at corner. Uh, and he's going to be a pro bowl, elite level player at that position for the next 12 to 14 years, I would would do that rather than well, we need a quarterback and so we better take a quarterback because we don't like Will Levis. Take the sure thing.
Speaker 3:I was about to ask you are you on record of liking Will Levis? Then?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. But I don't look. If I'm not winning the Super Bowl, I don't mind losing and coming back next year with a top two or three pick again when there's more quarterbacks more sure thing quarterbacks potentially available than reaching at the quarterback position when you know there's a hand. Look what's his name Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3:He's a stud From Penn State. He's a stud.
Speaker 2:And you guys remember Javon Curse and the impact that he had. I'm not saying this kid is Javon Curse, but if you can have a solid pass rusher, you can build your entire defense around him. I would go that route rather than hey, we need a quarterback, so let's take the best one on the board and hope for the best.
Speaker 3:I do like the camp board, I agree. No, I have no best. I do like the Cam Ward, I agree, he's a little bit of a rusher. No, I have no idea.
Speaker 5:I don't know how they even do it. I don't know how they do it. It's kind of like picking a single Well to me put out on radio. It's kind of like picking a single.
Speaker 6:It's like if it's a hit, you know then everybody takes credit for that's amazing. No, I wasn't. I still would.
Speaker 7:I mean it's going to be so who would play quarterback? Will Levis? Oh, good Lord.
Speaker 2:Good money.
Speaker 7:It's a lot for this town to go through.
Speaker 6:another year Will Levis, but maybe Travis can make him better on some specialty plays when he's playing quarterback. Then he comes in and can make Will Levis a superstar.
Speaker 2:Can't be instant gratification in the NFL.
Speaker 2:That's a fact you got to play the long game, little suffering. Look, man, when they moved on from Mike Vrabel, when they moved on from Derrick Henry, you knew there was going to be some suffering. Deal with the suffering. No pain, no gain. And again take the quarterback when you're dead. Sure, this is the guy. And I'm not beating up on Cam Ward, I'm just saying this isn't the strongest QB draft. Don't overdraft a quarterback when there are guys you know, like Abdul Carter, people feel pretty sure Travis Hunter people feel pretty sure that's an elite level player for the next decade.
Speaker 7:Well, sometimes the QBs come deep, deep in the draft. Anyway, you can ask Kurt, we talk about it every year. I'm I'm always skeptical of every qb going out, one or two anyway. I mean, you just never know, you never know, you know, but um will levis. Well, there you go, can I?
Speaker 2:ask a question, can I? The sports conversation? I don't mind you asking me sports questions. That's where I made my bones. How did y'all decide that Kurt was the star of the show and the host of the show. When I met everybody downstairs I was like I bet you Kurt's the cameraman, then I get up here and he's the star of the show.
Speaker 3:I'm more of a radio fan.
Speaker 5:He's our fearless leader.
Speaker 3:He's right here. He can hear you, dang Jason, I thought we were friends.
Speaker 5:You got to tell me what you wanted to do in your previous life.
Speaker 3:I did. I wanted to be in sports journalism. Really I thought we had that.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying it was a bad choice. I'm not saying it was a bad choice, I'm just asking how it happened.
Speaker 5:That's all Because he's good at it.
Speaker 2:Let me give you another question I was going to ask.
Speaker 5:Because, I heard this rumor. He's turning the tables.
Speaker 2:I've heard this rumor that Neal's wife was blind when she met Neal and then went through a surgery and got her sight back and stuck with the marriage despite that.
Speaker 5:It's an interesting story. I have a soft lower back. She liked that. I was really soft. She didn't have to see it. Let's give people a little back story.
Speaker 3:This is Kalo Tully, my first time meeting Jason. You guys have met each other before. What's the connection?
Speaker 5:We went to dinner with. Jeffrey Steele invited me to go to dinner one night to meet Jason here, and so we did and I got to meet him.
Speaker 3:He liked you even more.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he liked me or not.
Speaker 5:I can't ever tell if Jason's happy, sad, mad. I can't ever tell he's the same all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm going to break some news to y'all and as much as I love all of you and as much as I love try this in a small town, jeffrey still is my favorite person in nashville. Uh, he wrote the greatest song that instantly made me a country music fan. Am I the only one? Yeah, I was living out in la up until 2020, came here in late 2020 and I think I heard am I only one? Was that late? 21 or 22? Probably 21.
Speaker 2:As soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, this is what country music is about and I finally got it, because I don't know, maybe I was telling these guys but Jeffrey and I talk about it all the time that I was in a little box, like most people as it relates to music. I grew up in the inner city, grew up with the typical black experience, so I listened to R&B and rap and that's all I knew and that's all I thought I was allowed to really know, just fitting in with the stereotype and my friends and all that. And so I mean I went a long time not knowing. Probably 1989, 1990.
Speaker 2:I'm graduating college and I work security at a Bon Jovi concert and that was my first time like going. Oh, this rock and roll thing, this Bon Jovi guy, it's kind of cool. I knew some girls from my college that went to the concert and so that kind of opened me up to Bon Jovi, but I still just didn't venture much further than R&B and rap. And when I came here in 2020, I did not think country music was, for me, the only country music I'm not taking it up on the guy, but the only country music. I ever. A girl that I was dating years and years ago made me go to a Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 3:I thought, this is all right that I was dating years and years ago made me go to a Kenny Chesney concert.
Speaker 2:I thought this is all right. But when I heard, am I the Only One? I was like this speaks to my soul, this moves me. And soul music, the good soul music they used to make it spoke to your soul. And he opened my mind to like, oh no, it's these country guys that are singing songs that speak to your heart. I've become kind of a country nut and just keep getting further and further down the rabbit hole. As much as I like you guys.
Speaker 7:I love Jeffrey Steele. We don't know if you like us or not. Hold on, I think, jimmy.
Speaker 5:Jeffrey drove an hour and a half to get here. Hopefully you will like us, Jeffrey. An hour and a half to get here.
Speaker 6:Jeffries is one of the best of all time. I mean we all aspire. When I came to town, he was already rocking you know, and some of my favorite songs too. And he's legit. He's not just a, he's also like Neil and these guys. He's not just a songwriter, he's an artist. I mean, he'll stand there barefoot and play for two hours, he's he's. He's more than he's not just a common everyday songwriter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's more than that. He's oh, I've seen him live and that was another next level experience. Like for sure, how is this guy not the biggest star in music? You know, I saw, I saw him at third and lindley, a little intimate setting and he went on for three straight hours and every 10 minutes he changed characters and like, oh, he's david lee, raw oh no, look at him at a keyboard.
Speaker 2:That's stevie wonder now he's aaron lewis and now he I mean, he just every and I was like I didn't know somebody could do all that and uh, so he's opened my mind. How long you've been in nashville? I came here in 2020, august of 2020. Uh well, for me it was the summer of george floyd and they started boarding up buildings on my street in los angeles wilshire boulevard.
Speaker 2:For those of you guys at wilshire, corridor so I'm paying a lot of money and they're boarding up buildings on my street and me and my next door neighbor it was my next door neighbor was some young kid. He was in the Bitcoin, super wealthy, and we're sitting out and we look out the window and we go, look, they're boarding up buildings on our street and we were like we got to get out of here. This is crazy. And he moved to Austin, texas, and I moved to Nashville.
Speaker 7:Good call on your part you know, what's
Speaker 1:funny about austin.
Speaker 7:Uh, we've been on the road in austin for years. I mean we've been in and out of austin on tours for 25 years. We went there. We had to play the cmt awards two years ago is that right?
Speaker 3:yeah, I'm horrible. We were invited back after being after you know.
Speaker 7:You know cmt cancels our video and we try this all the time. Then you know, then we get invited back. So we we go back to austin. I didn't recognize it. I did not recognize it, it was it's. It's changed so much in a very hardcore liberal to the point where you feel it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was always artsy and left-leaning but it's pretty.
Speaker 5:Jason already knew that. That's why he came to Nashville. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:That's an intense thing. Hey, since we're talking about country music, let's talk about us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ourselves Our favorite topic. Please, you know, I could host this and ask you guys some really interesting questions.
Speaker 1:Not that I want to.
Speaker 3:You've already gotten very comfortable. He's like how is he the star?
Speaker 2:of a show in your house.
Speaker 5:He took over. You built this lovely studio. He took over.
Speaker 6:Until then, this was an undisclosed location. Because, James, like you, some people hate us.
Speaker 4:Oh really, Some people hate us yes.
Speaker 6:You wouldn't think so.
Speaker 3:But they really do so?
Speaker 6:yeah, we hadn't really disclosed it.
Speaker 2:Oh my bad.
Speaker 6:No, it's fine. Thanks a lot, man.
Speaker 2:You guys can all be in the closet now.
Speaker 6:No, but what happened, like early on when we got, you know, we had our first sponsor, original Glory, you know, and we were reading little points and everything like that and Kurt just nailed it and the rest of us were like oh, he's the man. Anyway, it's a great taste beer I really like it.
Speaker 3:On a hot day, they say next I don't think that was it, but I don't think that was it, but no, kurt's just good at it, he's just meant to be he plays good.
Speaker 5:You play guitar like a madman and you have. You talk your ass off.
Speaker 2:I'm the broadcaster. I'll let you know how Kurt does at the end of this.
Speaker 6:I don't like this. This is going so good.
Speaker 5:I freaking love it. I don't like this at all. We're getting great. This is a test. That's why we got him here yeah, well, probably fail can I?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry and I'm you can do anything you want. I'm sorry because you know it's it's the broadcaster and we it's the.
Speaker 2:There's a conversation I'd love to have with four great songwriters ask away I mentioned this to jeffrey and just an organic conversation we were having with the duggar band guys in my house. But part of what I'm talking about here is it relates to country music and what you guys are doing. And trust me, where I'm about to go is going to get a little touchy. But they call my show Fearless, because this is the kind of stuff I like to talk about. Hang on, I'm getting.
Speaker 5:So yeah, this is awesome. Everybody take a little drink, take a little sip.
Speaker 7:This is fantastic. Take a, do it. I like this show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm about to ask a very provocative question, but it's I think it's important because what I see in music and what's striking at me and been my experience is like, as a black man, the music that as a kid, as a young adult, it spoke to my heart and soul, and great art and great music comes from struggle. It comes from I hate to use this word, but it's somewhat true it comes from oppression or feeling like you're pushing against the establishment. And what I've been talking about and just discovering as I lean more into country music, I have to admit like the struggle that the white man is going through is helping him produce some of the greatest music of this era, and like things have reversed that it used to be the black man and black people were, the establishment was coming down on them and they would produce this music that spoke to everyone's soul. And so when I hear, am I the Only One? Even when I hear Oliver Anthony's Rich man of North, whatever, it is.
Speaker 2:I go oh look, this guy's speaking from his hurt, pain, disappointment, feeling that he's being worked against. When I hear, try that in a small town, I hear guys kind of pushing back against. Hey, there's people picking on me. There's people telling me I'm the problem with America and all this other stuff. And it's producing great art. Not everyone is as fearless as you guys as to lean into that, but I do think that's where the music's going. I do think that's the music that really, really connects. I'll land the plane on this note. I've fallen for Morgan Wallen's music and it's the song he just came out with called Smile, the song he just came out with. If I'm the Problem, you Might Be the Reason. This is great writing, great lyrics, great storytelling. It's lyrics that actually mean something and speak to you, and I'm like Morgan Wallen's doing this, and every time I turn on some R&B singer can I curse on here that actually mean something and speak to you. And I'm like Morgan Wallen's doing this, and every time I turn on some R&B singer, can I curse?
Speaker 2:on here I'm not a big curser, but they're talking about and not making love. They're talking about what gold chain I can buy and wear and they're not talking about real stuff. And you guys are and I think it's a reflection of this cultural shift in america and who we're pounding down on and you guys are reacting to it and I just want to encourage you to continue to do it wow, wow, just keep speaking.
Speaker 3:I tell you it's time for a break it.
Speaker 7:It's amazing what you just said. It's hard for us to say this because you asked us. You're a black man and you're into country music. I'm from a town of like 400 people in the mountains, grew up very, very poor, like poor, and moved here with $300. You know, and so Don't forget though Hold for one second, don't forget poor and moved here with $300.
Speaker 2:Don't forget, though, hold for one second. Don't forget you had $300 and you had a white privilege card. Don't forget that.
Speaker 1:You sure?
Speaker 5:didn't tell me.
Speaker 3:You sure did, you sure did. I didn't get handed that card.
Speaker 7:I wish I had, I'm just saying some of that, though you talk about Morgan and you talk about these songs that you're starting to like. Yeah, it's just because we're white songwriters doesn't mean that we grew up privileged. I certainly didn't feel privileged. You know, we worked scrapped and still feel Sometimes worked scrapped and still sometimes, I mean, we had nothing. I mean at one point, you know, me and kurt were living together and we had 500 bucks to our name. Me and aldine were living together or living close and we had trying to buy a pizza together. So it's like hard work's hard work to me, like I didn't get the white privilege card. It's a little offensive for me to hear the white privilege card because, damn, I missed that day. Well, it's not an actual card.
Speaker 6:Did you get it no?
Speaker 7:I didn't get it. I didn't get the card.
Speaker 3:It's a check that arrives every month. When is that check, though it's?
Speaker 2:just there, you weren't checking your mailbox. It has a lot to do, weren't checking your mailbox?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't have a mailbox. It has a lot to do with where you grew up. I mean, where you grew up is like Appalachian, like freaking in the hills. I mean it's like you know and I wouldn't trade it.
Speaker 7:It's places nobody goes. I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Speaker 5:I know you wouldn, could, you could. I got a big old card. I got a big card, but you can but you could say parent privilege, you had parent privilege is what you had, bro.
Speaker 6:It's 300 bucks, but we had the opportunity to move where we wanted to move and do what we wanted to do and it worked. You know, and I think I think that's part of what he's saying you know it's.
Speaker 2:There is a privilege. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm joking about privilege, that's a total joke.
Speaker 5:Oh, I totally missed it. Yeah, you missed it.
Speaker 2:There's only parental. I'm listening as intently as I can. That's sarcasm, bro. Oh okay, I'm being sarcastic.
Speaker 7:This is my favorite episode ever.
Speaker 1:No, because Tully got read about it.
Speaker 6:I didn't know it was sarcasm, because you definitely didn't know the white public card.
Speaker 5:No, he did not, that's my joke.
Speaker 2:Before I came here I was on the Matt Murphy show. Matt Murphy was telling me that his mother, his father, left his mother when he was five years old because she got diagnosed with brain cancer. He said he couldn't deal with it so he left His mother eventually died of brain cancer. And I was like but, matt, I'm sure on the front door of your house, with your mother dying of cancer and your father gone, I'm sure it said, matt, privilege, and it protected you from everything. That's my standard joke. Everybody goes through struggle. What I'm talking about with you.
Speaker 2:All's music is like there's a struggle going on with white men in this country. The establishment is telling you all, you're the piece of dog doo-doo, you're responsible for every problem in the world. And you guys are making great music objecting to that. And that's why Marvin Gaye and Teddy Pendergrass and all these guys, the great Isley Brothers or whatever they used to tap into the struggle of black men and make great music.
Speaker 2:And now, the reason why I listen to more country than r&b is because these r&b singers are rapping about their gold chains and three-way sex, and you know bling and uh, that I'm not into that. Well, I want to hear something real and something again it's like yeah, come try that in a small town we will kick your ass. That speaks to me, because that's kind of how I feel. Like don't bring that bs to me, man, I don't want me. And my father in 1984 lived in a 400 square foot apartment. In the hood, when I was 17 years old, I slept on the couch, most nights he slept in the bedroom and I went from that to living on Wilshire Boulevard. I think my zip code was 924.
Speaker 5:That's my privilege, yeah, 924.
Speaker 4:That's me working my ass off. And only in America. I know you were joking, only in.
Speaker 2:America.
Speaker 7:They're really were joking, only in America. They're really going to hit you after that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Could that happen? Could you go from one bedroom 400 square foot apartment, you and your dad in the hood, to 924 zip code, wilshire Boulevard, and you taking care of your dad as he ages out and his business that he started struggling, taking care of your mother, taking care of people in your family? That's the American dream and was open to me, like it's open to everybody else. Don't, don't bring out no violin crying. I know just too many people that came from nothing white and black and I've seen them rise up through just showing up and putting the work in, and so you know the white privilege thing cracks me up it's hard work, though you put in the hard work yeah and I've heard, like morgan freeman, say very similar things to this, like like hard, work, work hard and it's there for you again you guys haven't worked in corporate America.
Speaker 2:I have. All you have to do is show up. Most people don't show up. They come up with excuses to be late or to miss work or to not do work. I went to college. When I didn't show up for class, I got bad grades. When I did show up to class occasionally, I got good grades. That's what we've always said. When I did show up to class occasionally, I got good grades.
Speaker 5:That's what we've always said we don't feel like going in and writing today. It's like you've got to show up. We've always told everybody that. We've always told the young writers that Show up, just go, show up. I don't care how bad you feel, show up, yes.
Speaker 6:Well, and talking about, because you mentioned Morgan Wallen, and I've only heard one song record and I think it was uh. So it's uh, the hook was I might be crazy, but the world's insane, that's only, that's only one I've heard and I was like well, damn ain't no wonder he's doing better than most people, because to me that that that spoke to me.
Speaker 6:He's doing great stuff and he's at a level where he can do it, he can say whatever he wants, whatever he's feeling, whatever he believes, and that's what you're talking about. In the beginning of our careers, we're, we're not, I'm not coming in and saying, hey, I want to take a stance, you know, against things that are happening in the world and religion and and things like that. And the music business is liberal. I'm like I gotta make some money. I got fifty thousand dollars in debt and and what? What are people liking?
Speaker 6:And so then I'm, I'm chasing, I'm chasing that, just trying to get songs recorded, period, and and you think everybody's the same and you just, you just think, hey, we're all you know in country music and and we all believe the same way and everything. And you realize the world is not like that, you know, and we've talked about the bubble. Now you've came from, everybody has their, their place that they came from and and so, so, so for me, you know, to get to a place. That's later, let's say, we're seasoned in the industries, we've been here a minute, you know, right and so, but just as it had nothing to do. Really. I'll try that in small town really, you know, for for all of us where it came from it, wasn't it? It kind of it really just came because you're mad at what's happening in the world, which is to your point where you write deeper and you write more real things, as opposed to me just trying to make money and retirement and things like that.
Speaker 6:I'm like this moves me and as a conservative Christian, we're the nice guys, we don't say anything, and that's been the problem. We don't say anything until the world goes freaking crazy, they go nuts, and then you're like, okay, we got to say something.
Speaker 5:Well, I mean, you look at the left. The left in the entertainment industry have no problem whatsoever voicing what they want to say, because they're not worried about being canceled from the powers that be at all. And that's all we worried about when we wrote this song. It's like they're not going to cut this. Nobody's going to cut this. Jason Aldean's the only one. Who's going to cut this song, and he did, and they tried to kill it but they couldn't, and that's where I think the wind's blowing our direction.
Speaker 2:People are figuring out. Am I the only one? Try that. In a small town these can make money you put a crack in the dam.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's holding people back. And people want this. People always want the truth. There's always a thirst they can call us conspiracy theorists, they can call it, but it's just a thirst for truth. And they want authenticity.
Speaker 2:And you know again why do I love Jeffrey Steele? He's authentic. Everything that comes out of his mouth to me as a friend, his struggle with his boy dying, all of that there's an authentic friendship. And so literally, I'm just telling you, because Jeffrey vouches for you, it instantly makes me love you and think well, there's no way, jeffrey, he's so authentic, no way he's introducing me to a bad guy. And that when I hear the music, when I see Jason Aldean step out here, when I see Aaron Lewis, I'm not saying these guys are perfect because they're not, but I'm like at least they're real. And that when someone's real, I like them and I can deal with all kinds of flaws All kind of long as you're real. And that when someone's real, I like them and I can deal with all kinds of flaws, all kinds, as long as you're real.
Speaker 2:And real music will always win. And I look at so much. I cry out as someone that loves R&B. The music is so inauthentic. Someone that used to appreciate some aspects of rap music. It's so inauthentic. These guys are so dressed up in costumes.
Speaker 1:They all look like.
Speaker 2:Kiss, tats and all. They're all some sort. And it's like I look back at Kiss music because again I've been re-examining music and, like you know, kiss is okay but it don't speak to it. They're a gimmick. And I'm not trying to take a shot at Gene.
Speaker 7:Simmons, he's a gimmick, he would tell you it was a gimmick yeah but to your point you can look at, like NWA back in the day, why it was so infectious and they were talking about things that were going on.
Speaker 2:I totally disagree. Really Most fraudulent group in the history of music.
Speaker 3:Oh my lord.
Speaker 5:Jim strict that from the record, jim, I want to hear this. I want to hear this this is fantastic.
Speaker 6:Go on. This is the best episode we've ever had.
Speaker 2:Go listen to their music. People feel like, oh, they were speaking, blah, blah, blah. They had one song that allegedly spoke against the the police. I've had young journalists that, oh, man, nwa, they were kind of like public enemy and they put out all these revolutionary songs and I've had people go go look at their. They put out two albums. Go find me the song other than the police, which is a bogus song. Other than that, what's their song that has any value, value, stands the test of time in terms of message blah, blah, blah. And there isn't a song, there is not one. You go through their two albums, go listen to the songs, go listen to what they're. It's all bitches and hoes, and bitches ain't shit, but hoes, buttholes and tricks.
Speaker 1:Lick on my sense of my language, I've let a lot go by, but we've never said balls and stuff I don't like to cuss but I'm just telling you what they rapped
Speaker 2:about and it's their part of the psyop, they're part of the whole media ecosystem that has, quite frankly, put black people in the music industry in a certain lane. This is all you can do Cuss, talk about strippers and hoes, talk about radical materialism. I will agree with that. Talk about that's all you can do because, trust me, I know the rappers that are storytellers, like really clever, and are trying to say something. There's an independent rapper from Kansas City named Tech N9ne. This dude is brilliant, tells intricate stories, blah, blah. And he could never the mainstream. And he's had a great independent career, made a lot of money as an independent rapper, but he could never the mainstream. And he's had a great independent career and made a lot of money as an independent rapper, but he could never get and Quincy Jones called him the next big thing, the Michael Jackson of rap or whatever. But because he refused to fully submit to the formula he could never get put on the way NWA and, just like the whole police brutality deal, it's a psyop. It's it's, having grown up in the hood, my dad's business in the hood. Black people aren't sitting around on a day to day basis. Tom, oh man, I hope the police don't beat me up or kill me. Today they're sitting up. I hope Pookie and the Crips and the Bloods are the gangster disciples. I hope they don't shoot us up tonight when we go out and try to have a little fun. That's what they're talking about. I'm talking about my father's bar in the heart of the hood. For 30 years he carried a .38 every day of his life. It wasn't to keep the police at bay, it was pooky in them and it's this whole thing
Speaker 2:of. I'm a speeder, love to drive fast. I try to do better. But I'm saying I get pulled over a lot over the course of my life and I've been driving a Mercedes Benz for 35 years. I get a Mercedes and I keep them for 10 to 12 years. So for 35 years I've had three different Mercedes, nice cars, and this is how I dress most days. I used to wear an earring, used to wear a little gold chain, a little jewelry or whatever. And I've had one bad experience with a cop one, and that was in 1991. I was driving a Honda Prelude at that time. One bad, it was a bad experience. He thought I was a cat burglar. I'm like bro, look at me.
Speaker 1:Cat burglar.
Speaker 6:Come on now. I wasn't a receiver.
Speaker 2:One bad experience. The rest I kill them with so much kindness. I got about a 72% rate of warning ticket and hey, listen to your show. Or hey, uh, let's take them so off guard by yes, sir, no. So, oh, I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I got about a 72 success rate with warning tickets and just slow down, buddy. And. But no bad experiences other than that one.
Speaker 2:And and so it's just like it's a myth, it's. There's a strategy, there's a as men and that's the point of my show as men, we're supposed to treat life like a chess match and we're supposed to be very strategic in how we deal with people. And so when I deal with the police, I'm like OK, what can I do to avoid a ticket and to get back on the road as soon as I can? Well, if I yes or no, sir, this guy smile on my face give him what he wants instantly my, the percentages all go up that I'm going to get a warning and I'm going to get out of here as quick as possible. That's how you approach life we keep telling black men. Approach life in the dumbest way possible. Argue with that police officer. There's nobody, white or black, that wins an argument with a police officer.
Speaker 2:It just does not happen. And so we give black people the message of be as dumb as possible, be as unstrategic as possible, and we'll get you lawyers and we'll get you a doctor that will. When they beat you up and they take you downtown, we'll get you a doctor to fix you up. And I don't want to get fixed up. I want to go home and move on with my life, because I got better things to do than to argue and bicker with the police. And so if you look at the actual stats of police brutality, the data screams. Police pretty much bend over backwards to avoid conflict because they want to go home too. And then the people that want to argue with them. While on fentanyl your death rate just goes up, and George Floyd found that out. He effed around or fentanyl around, and found out.
Speaker 5:Oh, the truth.
Speaker 7:podcast I tell my son, look I said look, whatever you do, and we look. We've all had like me, and Alvin got pulled over in 97, heading to Georgia got pulled over and emptied out a whole car. They were sure that we had drugs and I don't blame them of course we had drugs, but I would say the one thing I didn't do was try to run or take his gun or argue or just it is what it is anyway.
Speaker 3:I'm the same way. It's like I pulled over even not long ago. This first thing I did was I know I was being. I'm so sorry you were, I just thought me, you know, just be agreeable what were you doing? I was feeding, yeah, or texting me I may have been doing that too, hey you know, I was hearing you talk about your dad and his business, and then I saw a quote where you even said you grew up on a bar stool, which is a country song, by the way.
Speaker 2:Is that right? No, it should be, it will be.
Speaker 3:It is now, but you won't get any percentage. But that fascinated me.
Speaker 2:Talk a little bit about that his days out on the bar and you growing up in that environment. My dad owned three different bars throughout my youth. The first one was a little small. It had a private membership. It was called the Triangle Club. It was in the hood and this one I was really young, probably six, seven, eight years old. He also owned a little bar shop called the Knothole in those early years and he was a barber.
Speaker 3:What is a?
Speaker 2:Knothole.
Speaker 7:It's like a glory hole, but Wow.
Speaker 6:He didn't say the manhole.
Speaker 7:It's the opposite of a glory hole. Sorry, Kurt. I can't give you an explanation of what a Knoth hole is at this point.
Speaker 2:It's a tree, and then, as I got a bit older, let's say 9, 10, 11, around that age he built a bigger, nicer club right around the corner from that. He and his partners that had the triangle club split up and he went solo with a club he called Jimmy's J Bar J. It's right around the corner, same place, but it was bigger. And I watched him and, uh, he had a friend that was a contractor or handyman that could do everything, a guy named mitch, and we me and my brother would, on weekends, would go hand them tools as they built this bar, everything in this bar, and that that was one of the great experiences of my youth to see my father the, the satisfaction I'm not a big fan of the use of the word pride, but the pride he took in building his own establishment and business and it was a nice place and was very popular and my father during that stretch did very well financially, didn't pay his taxes, and that's how we ended up in a 400-square-foot apartment in 1984. The government takes everything from him for tax evasion and so from, I would think, from 1983 to the next three years, he was as broke as you can possibly be. At some point I think in maybe it was 83, he was homeless, living in his car by the time I senior year. In 84, my mother moves to Kansas City, who I had been living with. Her job was transferred. I was a very good high school football player on a team that won the state championship and was ranked ninth in the country. I had to stay behind and play on that team. I was the captain of that team and it got me a football scholarship and so I moved in with my dad and again we were on our rear end. I think my dad was a bartender for a buddy of his during that year, making $200 a week plus tips and so, but I would think I think it was 1986, one of his best friends wanted to sell their bar, the Masterpiece Lounge. My dad got some sort of VA type loan, bought that bar, the Masterpiece Lounge. My dad got some sort of VA type loan, bought that bar, the Masterpiece Lounge, and owned it from 1986 until his death in 2012. And the Masterpiece Lounge right 38th and Sherman, east side of Indianapolis, in the hood, it was a bar that catered to factory workers and working class black people and it was the greatest place on earth to me.
Speaker 2:I love those guys. We'd sit in there and talk sports. We'd sit in there. These guys were, you know, just ghetto legends and superstars. You know, dressed up, they keep a lot of cash on a rubber band, and they were ladies, men. And these guys were my idols and I would sit on the bar. I wasn't a drinker, but I would just sit at the bar and just soak up their wisdom, their stories, crack up, listen to their jokes. They'd ask me about my athletic career. At that point I was playing college football, ball State, and my dad owned it until he died.
Speaker 2:And you know my working class values and it's one of the reasons why I'm so comfortable being MAGA is because and again, these guys, most of these, my dad and his friends if they were still alive, they'd be in their mid to late 80s now, but most of them are dead. But they wouldn't understand it because they lived in their own little bubble. But they were black MAGA and they were factory workers, manufacturing people, people and that what it's like. When I heard trump's original inauguration speech in 2016 or 17, when he went into, I was like. I called my mother and I was like you should listen to trump's inauguration speech. He's talking about us. My mother was a factory worker too, and um, and I was, and so I.
Speaker 2:Those guys and that experience the the Masterpiece Lounge is why someone like Steve Ford that owns Losers in Nashville and now Duck Blind with Riley Green or whatever, it's just why these guys are so relatable to me. I don't know if you guys know Steve Ford, but he and why can't? I think of Irv's last name. Well, yeah, with George Stray, they're so Masterpiece Lounge, they'd so fit in at the Masterpiece Lounge. And you know, when Steve had the dog house, I lived right down in that area initially when I came here.
Speaker 2:It's just me. It's just me. Maga is just me, and I wish that MAGA white people and MAGA black people could fully understand just how much they have in common worldview, wise, the beliefs, you know laugh at the same jokes and all that other stuff. But we've created a society where, you know, we've allowed the skin color thing not to see our things we have in common. I can see it clear as day because I've operated in both worlds and you know, just my whole mindset is working class and sitting in a barstool talking with people that you know are just trying to make ends meet and just kind of want to be left alone and just want to have a beer and have some laughs. And you know, talk to a pretty girl and go home.
Speaker 3:Do you think you've always been conservative? Because it's kind of different trump now it is. The conservatives are working class people. It is more of that thing, but it I don't know if this is true or not, but it felt like that used to be what the left side was and the democrats used to be, and I think it's flipped.
Speaker 4:I really do and I totally think, and I think big just to what you're speaking of.
Speaker 3:But so was there a moment that you kind of realized that? Or were you always conservative?
Speaker 2:and then just I think I've always been conservative. What I've mostly been is patriarchal. I believe in male leadership, and we're all. I'm 57. You guys are somewhere within 12 years of me, I would think Tully. What are you mid-50s?
Speaker 5:Oh, you're 50?. Okay, I'm 59.
Speaker 2:Got you, and so we all remember when Roots came out and so I watched Roots, and as a kid this is late 70s, so we're really young the, the uh. When roots came out, the number one thing I talked about was in the first episode, kunta kente, over in africa, went off to manhood training and uh left his family, went off to be discipled and trained by other men in that tribe, and when he came back his mother had to be deferential to him. You can see it in episode one. You don't have to go very deep. But he has an exchange with his mother where she has to treat him differently. He's a man now. There's a certain way she has to talk to him and the whole thing is flipped. And as a kid I turned to my family after episode once. That's the way things need to be, and I'm just a little kid, I'm not a Kunta Kenney, but I'm like that's the way things need to be. And so there's this instinctive thing I didn't learn. I just felt like there's a point where a man becomes a man and mama and everybody else that's a man and there's a way you got to treat a man and there's a role that a man is supposed to play, always believed in that.
Speaker 2:And so where the Democrats lost me is they don't believe in any of that, that they believe women can be men. They believe that you don't need men in a family, you don't, you don't need a man, and I'm just like that's and I've figured out as an adult, like hey, that's completely unbiblical, but it's also just completely unwise. You know there's and I've had problems with friends, family, over my highly patriarchal worldview and you know I want to be careful and respectful. But even my mother, who my parents divorced when I was five years old or so, and my mother's a bit of a feminist and and I don't like feminists and I think it's insanity when women think they don't need a man and and you know I want to be careful and disrespectful, but, but my mother needs me and has needed me. She lives in my house, she eats out of forks that I bought, bowls that I bought, drinks out of cups that I bought, you know, and so I just don't have a real tolerance for the view that woman doesn't need man and that mentality and mindset is plaguing the black community.
Speaker 2:There's a belief that you don't need a man. And I keep saying to people. Well, let's look at the results. You got young boys out here with their pants halfway off, their rear end tatted up, can barely speak English. Academic performance keeps getting worse and worse. You sure you don't need a man? Are you sure You're doing such a great job With these young boys that they can't read, they can't pull their pants up. They can't get a job. They can't do what men are supposed to do Provide, but you're doing a great job. You don't get a job. They can't do what men are supposed to do provide, but you're doing a great job. You don't need a man, are you sure? And so that's just been an instinct in me since I was a little kid. And then, as I went further in my faith journey, I was like oh man, man, my instincts line up with the big man upstairs what an coincidence right no, it's true
Speaker 5:oh my gosh, I don't disagree with the word he said no first time the first time I saw him I was like I'm you know, I'm scrolling and I come across. The first time I saw one of his posts and i'm'm like my fingers wouldn't let me go. I was like, oh, I'm listening to this whole, I'm listening to everything this guy has to say. So I put it down, listen. And I was hooked ever since. And it's this stuff right here, and I'm totally in line with you. We're going to get a lot of hate. Let him know, I'm totally in line line with it. I had heard you hated women. I mean, I've heard I love them, I love them.
Speaker 2:I just want to find a quiet one.
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Speaker 5:I got a new name for it. What Jason? What is it? Jason Aldean Whitlock, jaw Jaw, the jaw, the jaw. I got a new name for what, jason? What is it? Jason Aldean Whitlock, jaw Jaw, the jaw, the jaw. I like it, you've seen the movie Jaws yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 3:You ever have a nickname? We talk a lot about nicknames, unfortunately. Yes, okay, what is?
Speaker 2:it. It was Big, sexy. I like it Big Mouth, sexy Opinions I love that Big. Mouth Sexy opinions. I love that Big mouth sexy opinions For years. That's a good nickname and I let it go, though I let it go.
Speaker 4:It's a tough one to let go A man with a nickname is a man looking for trouble.
Speaker 5:Ooh, you hear that you call yourself some name and then you got to live up to it. We're looking for one for him. That's a good point. He's the only one in the group that doesn't have a nickname.
Speaker 3:Well, I do, but I don't. How about?
Speaker 1:star.
Speaker 2:Jason thinks you're a star. I feel beat down. But you know we're just trying to inspire men to quit apologizing for being men. Quit apologizing for your natural instincts to be a leader Leader in your home, leader in your community, leader in your family. Quit apologizing for that. That's what you're supposed to do. Quit apologizing for having Christian values. Don't let people convince you that your Christian values are racist. They're not. They're biblical and that's just the devil talking to you trying to demonize your Christian values, your commitment to family, your commitment to law and order, your instinct to protect your children's innocence, as the left tries. No, no, no, no. They need to talk to a drag queen, they need to see a drag queen gyrate in front of them or they won't, uh, really properly develop and be inclusive. The fact that your instinct as a man that makes the hair stand up on your back here and there, that's a good thing. If it doesn't, it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1:You're probably gay there it is but where are those men?
Speaker 7:seriously, like I think about you just said so many things. Every single word it sounds outrageous, like if you're, if you're a father, and I just can't imagine subjecting your children to that or wanting to.
Speaker 5:I guess those people are out there they're not real men, the ones ones that allow that. It's sad, it's really sad. Not real women.
Speaker 2:Children have a right to innocence.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, and we're making them think about sex long before they're ready. Have conversations about sex, children sit around and think, oh, I feel like a little girl. Trust me, son, that'll pass in two days. As soon as you touch her. That's going to go away, trust me. It's just we got to let kids be kids and let them develop. How many tomboys have we known? Girls that were too tall, girls that were chubby, that it just took them some time to develop into their womanhood and they figure it out. We're stealing all of that. And the left is saying, nope, let's sexualize them and get them involved in sex long before they're ready. And those of you with biblical values and just common sense, they're like nah, that can wait. Just teach them. Two plus two is four and shut the hell up. Don't be ashamed of that yeah, that's roll call 3.0 are you kidding me?
Speaker 3:second and third go check that out. Jason whitlock tucker the truth.
Speaker 5:The truth is hard to listen to sometimes, but it's all true.
Speaker 7:It's dead on true what you're saying, though the truth he what he saying. This is common sense stuff. Yeah, we've drifted that far Not us, but people have drifted that far.
Speaker 3:We're talking about this like it's crazy you go back with Tucker a while right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, would appear on his Fox News show. Let's say over the last eight years of his Fox News show. You know, let's say over the last eight years of his Fox News show, I would come on pretty frequently, once every, let's say, 10 days or so. He would bring me on basically to bring up the biblical perspective on topics and he just wanted that to be a part of his show, a regular part of his show. I think in let's say, the last three years of his time at Fox News he could sense that maybe the powers that be didn't want that perspective on the show. But all of the feedback they got from their audience, all the metrics, it's like man, when Whitlock comes on, people love it. And they love it when he starts quoting the Bible or just puts a biblical spin on whatever the news of the day is. And then and I don't say this out of any sort of trying to take credit or bragging, but Tucker will tell you it's like I help open his eyes to the fact that like, hey, these political things we're debating, there's a spiritual element to this. There's a good versus evil element.
Speaker 2:And then things got so out of control in America and they're rallies in support of abortion and killing their babies. And they're going through convulsions. How dare you take away my right reproductive rights to kill my baby? And they're just like well, hold on, is it really that important? I mean, are condoms unavailable in your community? Is closing your legs not an option? There's nothing you can do other than abort your baby, to stop you from having a baby.
Speaker 2:And at some point you're just like, oh man, these people believe in child sacrifice. This is a cult. This is they think like oh man, these people believe in child sacrifice. This is a cult. This is they think, like the Second Amendment should the right to bear arms should be replaced with the right to kill your baby? But like, it's that important and and at some point you had to go, well, hold on, this is spiritual, this is demonic. This isn't.
Speaker 2:You know, there are so many options at our hands, fingertips, to prevent pregnancy, and I that. And they think well, the only thing that matters is my ability to kill a baby in the womb. That's some sort of mental psychosis that they're in and there has to be a spiritual element to this. Just common sense and logic can't explain it when they're bringing an abortion van to the Democratic Convention so you can go in and hear Kamala speak and walk out and kill a baby and all in one night and, you know, smoke a little weed when it's over, or whatever you do after you kill a baby. There's uh a spiritual element to this and and I help tucker uh understand, and then that's informed his worldview and perspective and what he does in the media space, I think over the last five years, and so you know I'm a big supporter of Tucker. He's clearly a big supporter of mine. That's why he's coming into town.
Speaker 5:I hope that roll call is like an ongoing thing. It is.
Speaker 2:This is the third year and I probably shouldn't say this, but my hope is that this goes so well because Tucker has a daughter that lives here. Tucker's chief I'm telling too much, but Tucker's chief of staff is moving here. He's got an office here, and so I want this to be an ongoing thing between tucker and I and we just grow it and get it bigger and better, because as believers and as conservatives, we have to have influence in the cultural space. We can't just give it all to them, and I think through country music and through gospel music, we can make an impact in the arts and culture world through an alliance between Tucker and I, and we can help believers understand that, regardless of you know, whatever level of melanin you have in your skin, if you have surrendered to Jesus Christ, there's an alliance that we should have as believers that goes well beyond the differences in our skin color, and that our identity should be taken in Christ and our identity should be taken within our shared values. And so I just am inviting all people that believe or want to believe or just looking for a better way than God, jesus Christ, and let that be our alliance, because so many people want you to align over your sexual identity and, and that is so retarded and stupid that you know how you get an orgasm should be how you find an ally and and and you know, just think it through logically.
Speaker 2:You know, I can take my right hand and have an orgasm. A woman can take a right hand and have an orgasm. A woman can take a vibrator and have an orgasm. It's okay. Is that really what?
Speaker 2:we should align over. I know it's, it's insanity, and and uh and actually I would have to use my left hand. I just forgot I'm a left.
Speaker 1:Way too much information. I just want to be clear.
Speaker 5:Wow, hey mom, I want to know that it's my other hand not my right hand.
Speaker 2:I know exactly what you're trying to say, though I know exactly what you're saying On a serious note, I know what he's talking about. I bet you do.
Speaker 5:I'm not talking about the left or right hand I'm talking about it becoming an idol, I mean it becomes, it becomes seriously, it becomes an addiction and it becomes their God. Yes, it really does.
Speaker 2:Yes, their sexual orientation becomes their God, absolutely. And then they have to go. Literally. I said to someone that was upset with me and was like Jason, I was made gay and blah, blah, blah and that's what I like. And God made me like men and I was like, no, he didn't for one. But at the end of the day, just because you like something doesn't mean it should become your God and your identity. I like McDonald's. Ronald McDonald should not be my God and it's been my mistake for making Ronald McDonald my God and I should fight that, my gluttony. And so, okay, I like premarital sex. Should that be my God? No, I should reject. So.
Speaker 2:Just because you like something doesn't mean it should rule you and it's actually and I don't want to be offensive to the women watching but like. That's kind of a feminine thought, it's feelings, it's prioritizing your feelings. Oh, I feel like a woman, so everybody should treat me like one. Well, I don't really care about your feelings. God doesn't care about your feelings.
Speaker 2:What I feel, what I think, what I like completely irrelevant, because this person was reaching out to me over Twitter, says he's a believer in Jesus Christ and I was like you don't understand that what you like is irrelevant. What God like is the only thing that matters. It's the only thing, and I try to let that rule me, because if I go with what I like, I'm going to hit a McDonald's drive-thru on the way home. If I go with what I like, I'm going to hit a McDonald's drive-thru on the way home. If I go with what God's light, I'm going to drive home, get in bed, get up at 6 am, work out and do the right things.
Speaker 2:If I do what I like, I may stop at Losers tonight and try to pick up one of the barmaids because that's what I like, but God wants me to go home, find a wife and like that and satisfy myself with that. Go home, find a wife and and like that and satisfy myself with that. It's people we over inflate our relevance and importance. We're all unimportant and irrelevant and we all should be trying. How can I do what god likes? Because what I like will lead to my destruction.
Speaker 5:It's a fact, it's truth and tell you here we are. Masturbation is normal I'm not saying it's accepted?
Speaker 6:No, it's not.
Speaker 1:I don't want you to feel so uncomfortable and I saw that on camera and I love you.
Speaker 3:This table. Don't you forget, don't you forget. We love you.
Speaker 6:God loves you, and I mean that.
Speaker 7:No matter what you do with your left hand Because I love you.
Speaker 6:Why are you doing this to me? Because I love you, because he loves you. Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:It's clear who can pivot from here. Someone pivot, please, please, pivot. I'll try.
Speaker 5:Just go to just attend Roll Call 3.0. Fearlessrollcallcom, fearlessrollcallcom, do it Go.
Speaker 3:May 2nd and May 3rd. Don't miss it. You know you've got a lot of things you talk about. I don't know how you juggle them all. I really don't, Because whether it's sports, culture, religion, all of that, you seem to handle that really well. I saw a quote that you had and I thought it was really interesting. You said you'd like to make comfortable people feel uncomfortable is that right?
Speaker 2:no, I think what you may have seen me say is I don't mind being I'm comfortable when people are uncomfortable around me.
Speaker 2:Ooh, okay, that's what I which is a totally different thing, but explain that it's as a journalist, we've moved into this space where everybody, when they walk in a press box or walk into any setting, they want everybody to like them. That was never me, and it's not that I wanted everyone to dislike me. I just knew that, as a journalist, if I'm on a pursuit of truth, people are going to be uncomfortable around me and I'm very comfortable when people are uncomfortable around me. That was a journalistic truth that I was expressing. I didn't realize it at the time because that's always been my philosophy. That that's a biblical truth that as Christians, when we stand on our actual values, people are going to be uncomfortable around us and as Christians, you have to get comfortable with their discomfort. We're not going to be liked If you stand on truth. You're not going to be liked. If you defend Jesus Christ, you're not going to be liked.
Speaker 3:You got to get comfortable with that, that's awesome and that's a completely different statement, but it's amazing. Yeah, I love that. So talk about this. You know the sports world has seen this infusion of politics within sports can I?
Speaker 2:I want to add one more thing. Yeah, music makers and this is a secular position, but if you're going to make great music in this time, you're gonna have to get comfortable with people being uncomfortable around you. We were experiencing that, if you're going to make great music, yeah, if you're going to make popular music and secular music and degenerate music, people are gonna be very comfortable dude.
Speaker 5:We were called whoopi goldberg, called. She said the songwriters of this song must be the most racist people alive. And I don't know about these guys, but I had family calling me going. Are you okay? Are you doing all right? I'm like, what are you talking?
Speaker 2:it's the greatest day of my life because I knew the truth let me go all the way back to tully and nwa, because that was on camera, I believe. Yeah, yeah, tully and NWA. So Whoopi Goldberg tried that in a small town. Dr Dre, one of the great members of NWA, had a song Never Hesitate to Put a Nigga on His Back. Whoopi Goldberg would never complain about that, never. And he's making a song about I'll never hesitate to kill a black man, she'll never object. And dr drake's very comfortable singing a song about I'll never hesitate to kill a black person and and and. No one's uncomfortable with that, that's normal. Try that in a small town. Try that in a small town. People are very uncomfortable and it's retarded. The world is upside down.
Speaker 5:It's retarded. We felt it and we survived. I'm sorry, kurt, I just wanted to bring that all the way back to music and if you want to do something great that puts you on the side of God.
Speaker 2:People are going to be very uncomfortable with you and it's not that. Try that in a Small Town is some kind of gospel Christian song, but it is a truthful song that reflects how people are feeling and it speaks to the justification for feeling that way and and people are going to be very uncomfortable. And so if you want to make great music, great art, you want to do something that has a real impact. You got to get comfortable with people not liking you.
Speaker 6:Well, sorry no, go ahead my dad always said, and other people always said, you know, if you get to be an old man and you have a couple friends on, on one hand you're, you're a blessed man.
Speaker 6:I was thinking I was younger, like I got I got 20, 20 best friends, you know 30, whatever older I get and the more I say my opinions about certain things about certain people and certain friends that I love and they start dwindling, they dwindle, they dwindle, they dwindle, until it's true you get them on one hand Because you're not going to have it. I mean, if I could be 80 years old, I have this table, I'll be blessed. I mean, it's just amazing how many friends will drop. I lost one yesterday off podcast.
Speaker 5:Because of the subject matter we're talking about.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and because, me and Not in my concern. Not in my concern.
Speaker 5:Jesse's not afraid to name names, but I feel I lost one just for being who I am man.
Speaker 4:Just because of what?
Speaker 2:Scripture says that's right I had a conversation with a close family member and I was like that really thinks they're into the word and and I was like now you know, when you really get into this word, you're going to lose friends you're not gonna have. You know, when you man, I got the same friends I've had for the last 50 years, it's like oh boy, you actually tell it on yourself because this word he came with a sword and uh, this word is going to separate you from people very, very close to you who aren't willing to stand on this word. And so it's not that you want to lose friends, aren't willing to stand on this word. And so it's not that you want to lose friends. You want everybody to go on that journey and and to become as bold. But as you become wise and you become immersed in the word, you should become more bold and that boldness should actually separate you from people that you love dearly, because they're not really ready to go there and they're not really to accept who you really are and and you'll lose them.
Speaker 2:And it's not that you want to, but the word changes you and if you don't have some sort of testimony about me and not that I've done life right because I've done it wrong about man, and not that I've done life right because I've done it wrong. But I got some real testimony about like I used to be in a strip club until 3 am three nights a week. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 7:Tell us about that. Jason, please continue.
Speaker 6:Do you need water?
Speaker 2:So I was in this champagne room. That's when the Lord spoke to me. But I haven't been in a strip club in, I think, seven or eight years and it's because of the word, and the fleshly part of me misses it. But I so fear God. That and that's why I wear my faith on my sleeve is because if someone sees me step into the Spearmint Rhino in Las Vegas, I want them to say that dude says he's a Christian. And then I got to duck my head and I got to leave because I look foolish when you run around beating your chest.
Speaker 2:I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian. And that's what I try to explain to men. Everybody wants to wear their faith in private and I'm like no, if you really want to clean yourself up, wear it publicly. And that way, when someone cuts you off in traffic, you can't blow your horn and give them the finger Because, like man, I'm a Christian. I can't do that. Blah, blah, blah. And people want to hide their faith so that they're free to do whatever they want to do. And they want to put on all these other titles. And I was like this conservative title. It's useless Because, as a conservative, I used to talk to conservatives in strip clubs. I used to, you know, argue and curse at other conservatives. Conservatives would curse and argue with me. But when you put on that Christian title, all them options go away and they get reduced. And that's the only way I've been able to clean up my behavior is by submitting and telling everybody hey, I've submitted and it's no different.
Speaker 2:When we came upstairs, what did I tell y'all? Man, I've been on one meal a day for 60 days and blah, blah, blah. That's to let all y'all know. Don't offer me no food. Now I'm on one meal a day. Accountability, I'm fat. And the next thing you know, y'all said well, I'm going to help Whitlock on his journey. I'm not going to offer him any food, but it used to be. I show up in a room and everybody wants, every woman wants, to feed me, and they get upset. What do you mean? You don't want a third helping. You're big, sexy, and that's why I'm telling you about nicknames and you start having to live up to them and again. So you call yourself big, you got to stay big. You call yourself sexy, you got to have sex.
Speaker 4:You got to go to strip clubs.
Speaker 2:That's why let me dust that nickname off. My mama called me Jason. Called me Jason, it's a biblical name, and I've taken on this title of Christian so that I have a set of parameters that I have to answer to. Not that I do it all the time, but I try constantly to live up to that new title I've given myself Christian and we should all make that attempt. Amen, that's a daily thing, Yep.
Speaker 3:And you're right, nobody's perfect, and nor are we supposed to be.
Speaker 5:You're never going to be.
Speaker 2:It's an unattainable journey. Let's wrap it up so I can tell these strip club stories, because I've got a million of them.
Speaker 3:Believe me we do need that. Strippers need witness too, and that's the end. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 6:Where? Where are you going to see him at the waffle house?
Speaker 3:I mean, you're asleep by 9, 30 so we do need to wrap it up, though. Anybody else got something. That's been amazing. I'm thankful for the whole night. Uh, absolutely we. You know we say this a lot. We try to have people on that like embody the spirit of what we feel, like you know we did. It's like you're standing up for what you believe in, against the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 2:You are that plus plus, you know, a thousand, but the only reason I want this to continue is because this old fashioned that Neil made me has a lot of pop, and so I was like I'm going to sit on this show and keep talking until my buzz goes away. Until my buzz goes away and I know I can drive back to Nashville, so I think.
Speaker 1:I'm there, I think I'm there, I know.
Speaker 4:I can drive back to Nashville. How do you feel?
Speaker 2:I think I'm there. I'll guzzle down another water and I'm ready to go.
Speaker 6:No rush out Do you have someone in your heart.
Speaker 2:No, I think I'm sober, all right.
Speaker 6:We do want to one more time remind people of Roll Call.
Speaker 3:Make sure you go get your tickets for that. Follow Jason on X at Jason Whitlock. Whitlock time. Remind people of roll call. Uh, make sure you go get your tickets for that. Follow jason on x at jason whitlock whitlock jason.
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Speaker 2:I'm sorry, kurt for coming on. I will say this you got any questions for us well, just a lovely home like this and such a lovely wife, I I will have to get invited back for a meal. I I I saw your kitchen and there's could be major work done in that kitchen that's a fact.
Speaker 7:I gotta, I got, to say something, neil's wife. Let me tell you something there's no one better at entertaining and feeding, cooking.
Speaker 2:I was talking about cooking.
Speaker 7:That kitchen is a staging area for great things.
Speaker 3:She is the best host.
Speaker 2:Tell me this, Neil. This is a documented fact. Dr Fauci has the scientists. This is scientifically proven. No one makes better home fried chicken than yours truly.
Speaker 4:Really yeah.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't matter what kitchen I'm in, it doesn't matter. Would love to come back here, I will provide you know. Would love to come back here, I will provide the chicken.
Speaker 5:Yeah, love to come back here the oil and make some fried chicken. You're used to oil, I bring my own, I bring my own I was going to say I bet he's got his
Speaker 3:own oil.
Speaker 7:I want the Whitlock oil. It's a little secret recipe that I don't share with anybody anybody.
Speaker 1:But okay, you know, boy, or you can come to my house and I could make it there, uh, but you know you're gonna have to talk to her, oh yeah oh, she's, I mean she runs the show around here.
Speaker 2:I wear the pants, she picks them out yeah, if y'all I'm just if y'all picked a better day, that that's I would have come in early, fried some chicken. We would have sat here and ate the chicken while we were having this conversation yeah, and y'all could have been telling everybody about part two.
Speaker 3:Well, part two.
Speaker 5:You're going to come back and we can do this again.
Speaker 2:We could definitely come back, or I've already invited you to my home. Okay, all of you guys to my home. You're sitting there with me and Jeffrey. We get you. Jeffrey, my studio could babysit five of us.
Speaker 5:That's how many is here, Jason?
Speaker 2:We got Jeffrey Jeffrey's coming. Anything I do at my house, Jeffrey's always there. That's going to turn into a jam session.
Speaker 5:You understand that, right?
Speaker 6:We barely scratched the surface with what a great man you are and everything you've done.
Speaker 2:You don't know me well. If you're calling me a great man, I'm telling you Stop trying to eat journalists, he's trying
Speaker 3:to make sure he's invited.
Speaker 6:I love chicken.
Speaker 3:I really want to be there. You tried.
Speaker 4:K-Lo oh my gosh, we are coming to you from the Patriot Mobile Studios.
Speaker 3:We thank Jason Whitlock for being here. Thank you guys for listening.
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