Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
Try That in a Small Town Podcast
AMAs, Morgan vs. Post Malone, and Bruce Springsteen :: Ep 59 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
What happens when aging rock stars decide to bash America from overseas stages? In this spirited episode, the crew dives into Bruce Springsteen's controversial comments and why celebrities who once championed middle America now seem determined to alienate those very fans. "Trump hit a button in some of these people that just blew the lid off," they observe, questioning why stars risk relationships with loyal audiences for political statements.
The conversation shifts to a candid examination of the music industry's award system after Beyoncé and Post Malone recently won country music awards over Morgan Wallen. The hosts express deep skepticism about "fan voted" awards, arguing that Nashville executives have become dangerously disconnected from genuine country listeners. "Music Row will always be completely disconnected from the actual country listener," they assert, highlighting how industry decision-makers repeatedly misjudge what resonates with heartland audiences while chasing crossover appeal.
A highlight of the episode comes when K-Lo performs his hit "Laugh Until We Cry," followed by a moving discussion about how becoming a father transformed the song's meaning for him. This intimate moment showcases the authentic power of country songwriting – how lyrics crafted years earlier can evolve alongside life experiences. The hosts share inside stories about song origins and creative partnerships, giving listeners rare insight into the artistry behind the hits.
The episode closes with a passionate debate about college football's transformation under NIL deals, Brady and Belichick's legendary partnership, and what makes true leadership. Whether discussing music, sports, or politics, the conversation returns to one central theme: the growing divide between industry elites and the audiences they claim to serve.
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If I was Post Malone in that position, I would have gone after the show. I'm calling up Morgan, I'm going. Hey, dude, this is your award.
Speaker 2:I can't accept this. Well, maybe you did we all know it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he might have. It would be cool because he knows and everybody else on the planet and Mars knows, that Morgan Wallen deserves that award. I agree At every award. Deserves that award.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 1:At every award show that's ever televised it. But Tom Brady did not Easy Careful. No, Tom Brady could have played anywhere in the NFL and succeeded Okay.
Speaker 4:You're out of your depth.
Speaker 1:I'm not out of your depth. If you want to talk football with me, then let's go.
Speaker 5:The camera was on the Wake Forest coach. You know who's been around, you know for a while. He's a very solid coach and they caught him on camera. You know saying an explicit and then a how do you?
Speaker 3:say what does the explicit start with? Well, F.
Speaker 6:It starts with an F.
Speaker 5:And then listen, start well f, it starts with an f, and then uh, and, and then uh, you know, I guess you would say this day time a homophobic slur, you know after that. So so it's two which one? Two f's. So two f's word, one f.
Speaker 7:Second word f, but an old school word the try that in a Small Town Podcast begins now. Try that in a Small.
Speaker 3:Town. All right, welcome back. This is the Try that in a Small Town Podcast coming to you from the Patriot Mobile Studios, there's good energy here tonight. There is. There's some good juju.
Speaker 1:It's just the four of us.
Speaker 3:Four of us.
Speaker 1:You never know what's going to happen. They're talking about the ratings you don't.
Speaker 4:It's just the four of us. Four of us. You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3:They're talking about the ratings, you don't, so let's introduce everyone For those of you that are new to the podcast.
Speaker 1:we've got Neil Thrasher. Neil Thrasher, why don't you just use my full name. What is your full name? Joe McNeil Thrasher Jr. Joe Neil, yeah.
Speaker 2:Is it? Are you a junior Joe? Neal Joe, neal Joe Neal.
Speaker 3:And then there's Kelly. Is that your given first name or middle name?
Speaker 4:Ronald, right, ronald, is that the first name?
Speaker 5:Ronald. No, it's not Ronald.
Speaker 6:I thought that what is your given, john?
Speaker 3:John.
Speaker 5:Kelly, we knew that.
Speaker 1:Gosh Kelly, it should have been Linda.
Speaker 5:We already told that story, I know it.
Speaker 6:Present.
Speaker 3:How am I not remembering that story, army? You remember that army story?
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was a long one. Okay, well, I don't remember a lot. Anyway, that's.
Speaker 1:K-Lo.
Speaker 5:We have Tully.
Speaker 3:I know Tully's middle name. What's Tully's middle name? Martin Tully, I know.
Speaker 1:Tully's middle name. What's Tully's middle?
Speaker 5:name.
Speaker 1:Martin.
Speaker 3:Tully, I like that, martin Martin.
Speaker 5:Kennedy Strong, tully, martin Strong, strong, strong like bull.
Speaker 3:And then I am Kurt Fondue. Kurt Fondue, kurt Michael Fondue.
Speaker 1:Yes, michael Fondue, it's a never-ending flow of cheese.
Speaker 3:Or chocolate Confondue. Yeah, I guess you could do that too.
Speaker 5:Yeah, there's chocolate. I don't know what I prefer Chocolate. I do. Yeah, I'd rather clean the chocolate one than the cheese one after a party. Let me ask y'all something.
Speaker 3:When you're in show business. Is there such thing as bad publicity? Well, the adage would be that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Speaker 1:You're asking if that is true or not. Yeah, yeah, most cases I've found it's not. Well, it's good, it's a good thing publicity is just public.
Speaker 3:There are a couple instances where I would think the person would say this is not good publicity.
Speaker 4:Well, look what cheryl crow did to us. She came out and that's our song.
Speaker 1:Then she's right back in the news, maybe maybe, maybe that's a smart thing, though Do you think it hurt, springsteen?
Speaker 3:Oh, his rant that he yeah. So what was that? He was at a concert and then he decided he was overseas, right?
Speaker 1:He was overseas number one.
Speaker 3:That was his first mistake, and then he decided he felt comfortable over there doing it.
Speaker 1:So what did he do? Did. So what did he do? He bashed Trump.
Speaker 3:Or was it the country in general? What did he say? It was pretty much both. Pretty much both yeah. So you're asking if that's good publicity.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think For him, I don't.
Speaker 3:I just don't get it. I actually just don't get it.
Speaker 1:I don't know why he would risk that. I mean we all grew up listening to and he was.
Speaker 6:He was america yeah, he was like he was the.
Speaker 1:He was the dude we listened to, born, you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I wanted to run all this other stuff and and I still say as much as I mean the born in the usa album. I still listen to that album. It still sounds amazing. Every song on the album's great. I love springsteen. I hate it when they get to a point where maybe, maybe it's like the like denaro thing it's exactly like.
Speaker 4:Maybe you get to the point where you've got so much money and so much stature and you just feel this freedom to really just say whatever comes to your mind, with zero filter, because you don't need a filter when you've already got everything. So what? Yep, so really, there's nothing to lose, I would say that's very astute.
Speaker 4:Well, it's like bono. Yeah, bono's the same way. I love you too, yeah, but you know when you get you know the last what? 15 or maybe more years he's been super outspoken, so I don't know. I think you, just you, you don't care as much.
Speaker 5:Well, and it is the main the mainstream narrative of yeah you know trump bad, yeah, and like you said, no matter what happens, he's going to be fine you know there'll be a huge contingent of people no, I mean he's not going to go bankrupt he's no, he's, no, he's going to be absolutely fine forward oh yeah, but I but, like telly said, I really I think once you get to that point where you're so successful, and so I mean, his biggest days are behind him- for sure as a celebrity.
Speaker 1:I will say this though I think, yeah, he's got plenty of money and if that's all he cares about, then he's going to be fine. But guys like him, as big as he is, they care about what people think about him. They care about that and it affects them.
Speaker 3:I really do, I think he thinks, most people back him.
Speaker 1:And if he does, then I'm going to bring the age thing in to play here.
Speaker 3:I think De.
Speaker 1:Niro. I think him, I think Springsteen De Niro. I think there's some wiring because of their age. That is kind of misfiring up here derangement there is. There's a little bit of that going on, and and uh, it's starting to show, and they let their mouth go off when it shouldn't. Well, don't you?
Speaker 4:think, when you get older and I'm, you know, I'm not that old yet, but I'm getting there at the older you get, the more maybe stuck in your ways you get and you become De Niro's age and Springsteen's age and you just become stubborn and you're so set on something that, no matter what someone says, you can't be talked out of it. It's like my grandfather Same way. He was so stubborn until he passed away. You couldn't change his mind on anything. Is there any of that in there?
Speaker 3:And maybe getting older just being so standing on that soapbox. So who do you think is the most stubborn at this table? Oh boy, that'd be me. He looked right at you, neil. Who do you think's the most?
Speaker 1:and I take that as a compliment yeah, because you probably.
Speaker 3:Actually I don't know if you take that as a compliment.
Speaker 1:Thank you yeah, I do. Do you really think? Let me pose another question Do you, numbnuts, really think, do you think that, because you think that Springsteen and De Niro not De Niro I'll use this I'll direct this to Springsteen you think he knows anything about what he writes about Middle America? You think he knows anything about it? I think he did.
Speaker 4:I think you know he's a Jersey guy.
Speaker 1:I think he used to, maybe, maybe back in the day. Do you think he knows he can relate to any farmer in Kansas at all?
Speaker 3:Well no, I'll say, in Kansas at all. Well no, I'll say, but also I might not be the guy to ask. I've never been a huge Springsteen fan anyway.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I haven't either. I appreciate his talent and his art and his ability to write a song and deliver it. I appreciate all of that. But for them to sing the songs that they've sung over the years and be the staple of middle America and the heartland of America and all this stuff, and then they get up and start spewing stuff in another country because they're in another country, he would never say what he said in the States. He would never say that For some reason In his right mind he would never say that.
Speaker 4:For some reason, Trump hit a button in some of these people. That just blew the lid off of it. That's true.
Speaker 1:And it was like just ripped the band. Is it funny how, all everything that we discuss about this stuff, it all comes back to trump every bit of it.
Speaker 4:I just look it always does and you're right, but you're allowed to not look. I didn't like biden as president. I didn't. I didn't. A lot of people did, a lot of people didn't, we didn't. That's my right not to like him. It's a lot of people's right not to like Trump. I still always respected the presidency. Yeah, you respect the president. You know what I don't, what I'd like to ask Springsteen, and maybe he'll come on, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Jim, have we put in the guest? Did you ask Springsteen yet?
Speaker 4:Okay, but I, I just want to ask him. Okay, you definitely don't have to like Trump for sure. I just want tell me why. Don't tell me because he's a racist and a rapist, or Hitler, or Hitler. Just tell me why. Because you know the narrative gets spun crazy Because there's a genuine. I mean they hate him.
Speaker 1:It's funny how it always comes back to him.
Speaker 5:Neil, were you the one that said that Eric Church is not playing Springsteen? I?
Speaker 1:had heard.
Speaker 3:We don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting I'm not confirming this, but I had heard that he had gotten or there had been some boos when he went into Springsteen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's maybe something like that.
Speaker 1:And that's going to happen with his fan base. It's just going to happen and I wouldn't doubt it for a minute. I wouldn't be a bit shocked if I was at an Eric Church show and he went into Springsteen and this wave of boos started happening, yeah, and that he would have to take it out of his show wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Speaker 4:Well, eric's the kind of guy that would leave it in a show for spite, you know, because, eric, and that'll blow over, yeah, and it's like anything else, like you know, a seven days news cycle, you know, will it affect springsteen? No, he, he could put a tour tickets on sale and they'll sell out you. But Springsteen, he's a legend and I love Springsteen.
Speaker 1:You really think so, you think he'd sell out? I don't know if he's selling out. Look what happened to the chicks. Look what happened to the chicks. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4:It's hard to you know where he did it.
Speaker 1:People love their country here man well, let's put, I mean he's overseas for a reason because he is making more money over there than he is. That's. That's so ballless to do that overseas. I'm like really yeah, and really I don't understand it's so safe to bash america from some other country so, yeah, and like I said, maybe, maybe you know.
Speaker 4:It's like who really knows that it happened? Who doesn't know that it happened? Who's who cares? Who's you know? I hate to see it because you know he is. You talk about our songwriters and our icons. You know he's up there. All right, I'm like kurt. Do I love everything he did? No, I love born in the usa and and some of his solo stuff. I thought tunnel of love. I thought was great, really great, you can. The same argument can be made for mellencamp.
Speaker 3:You know mellencamp's a miserable person, I know you know, from everything you hear, he's just a terrible, terrible, and he's terrible to people he's awful to people.
Speaker 4:It's awful to people he works with or yeah people that work for him. And you know, I mean it's, it's uh doesn't mean that I don't love you know well, yeah albums like I used to. But it's like with Petty. Here's a great thing. I'm the biggest Petty fan. Love Tom Petty. He's inspired a lot of writers.
Speaker 1:I love Tom Petty.
Speaker 4:But he came out and basically said that he really hates this was like 2006, 2007, 2008 somewhere how much he hates new country music. I'm saying to myself you know why? Is it and I love petty. But why is it like this genre has to stay like it in the in the old school box rock and roll you can.
Speaker 4:You can rock and roll such a wide you know genre, so many you know it's a good point radio heads rock and roll, uh, stp's rock and roll, malincamp's rock and roll, petty petty saying when he was saying I don't like new country music, it should be like this well yeah, it's not like traditional.
Speaker 3:Well, like you said to your point, it's like man. Music evolves, whatever genre it is.
Speaker 4:I love buddy holly, yeah, it doesn't mean that well they.
Speaker 1:They only usually say that because their career is on the decline. It's usually the only reason. That's the truth. I think they only make statements.
Speaker 4:Well, when he said that you know he had, I think he had put out, uh, the last dj petty record and that was a very strange kind of record and maybe you're right about that. Love petty, love springsteen, love them all it does, it does.
Speaker 1:I wonder if they're getting older, like that's just like it's real easy to dish your own country in from another country. It's real easy to do that. You sound real tough. Come across as this tough you know over there. Yeah, if he, if he'd have done that in freaking, you know, yeah, you know, down in Mississippi.
Speaker 6:Mississippi, I mean Tupelo, if he was playing the Coliseum in.
Speaker 1:Tupelo Mississippi. He can't say that. They wouldn't have let him say that he would have gotten booed off stage and lights would have come on and he would have gone back to the house.
Speaker 4:I'd just love to know what is going on. What's his main complaint right now? Hollywood elite, hollywood elite.
Speaker 2:That's his main complaint right now Hollywood, elite Hollywood elite.
Speaker 1:That's his problem, that's all their problem, every one of them. They become Hollywood. Elites Period Started strong tonight. Well, I mean it just is what it is. I like it. I mean, he's Sprungstein now.
Speaker 3:How do you feel about Beyonce winning best country album? I'm calling him.
Speaker 1:Sprungstein, sprungstein.
Speaker 3:What is he?
Speaker 1:He's Sprungstein, sprungstein. Yeah, it's over Sprungstein, sprungstein.
Speaker 6:That's good.
Speaker 3:Another hat, perhaps Right? Oh my God.
Speaker 1:I just gave everybody out there a reason to make another T-shirt, yeah.
Speaker 5:Sprungstein, you're on fire, we won't make anything from it. No, no Again.
Speaker 3:Well, let's keep you wound up. How'd you feel about Beyonce winning the best? I didn't know what you won. What was the best country?
Speaker 1:Let's see Female country. Wait a minute.
Speaker 5:Female country ever, the best country, female country, female country ever. I didn't write it down because I knew Neil would know no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I wrote a speech, but I won't, wasn't it a beautiful moment, but what was it?
Speaker 3:the AMAs? Yeah, the American Music Awards.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I mean I'm like you know what I got At the end of the day I started thinking I'm like who in Nashville allowed that to happen? It shows you how powerless apparently some people are in Nashville to allow that to happen.
Speaker 3:Nashville doesn't have any power in that show anyway. They must not, they don't.
Speaker 1:It's fan voted and if you believe that that's what it says on the website, springsteen is a true American.
Speaker 5:If you believe that that's what it says on the website Springsteen is a true American, if you believe that that's what it says on the website.
Speaker 3:I know it. I looked it up too. I left it on. We've been over this.
Speaker 1:So you looked it up too. Yeah, it said it's a fan voted, which is total horseshit.
Speaker 4:We all know that. So we're saying it's not fan voted. No, it can't be. Jim, make a clip of this, maybe we can go viral. There's no way.
Speaker 5:But I had a different thought on it though. Like American Music Awards, like, country is not near the biggest format of music, so there's more fans that would vote that wouldn't necessarily be country fans, so it would make sense that more pop artists would get most of the awards.
Speaker 1:Most, they will Insert Nashville power lack of right there For Nashville. As big as this city's become and as big as country music, as big as Morgan Wallen is, as big as I mean, we're streaming like crazy right now. He's streaming like crazy For Nashville to let that happen.
Speaker 6:Morgan did win something it got bombed it's kind of like our highway system.
Speaker 1:You know, they let it get bombed. We're too big Now we can't get traffic in. I don't know how we got on traffic, but it's the truth. We have no power here.
Speaker 5:We have zero power here. We're probably in the history of it. I mean the Grammys, amas, man Nashville's not super well represented anyway, I don't think it's brand new.
Speaker 3:Definitely not with the Grammys. That's always been the case, For sure. It's always the pet LA. What they want to have represent country music.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing the Grammys. You brought up a great memory. It was meys. You brought up a great memory. It was me, neil. You brought up a great memory.
Speaker 3:It was me, Neil. You're on fire tonight. You're on fire today. It was me.
Speaker 6:Caleb.
Speaker 5:Oh, caleb's here. Everybody welcome, caleb. Hello, I guess.
Speaker 4:No, you mentioned Springsteen and this is so funny how all this happened. So what year was it we were there with Kelly Clarkson? Do you want to say 12?
Speaker 3:I'm very bad at this game 11, 12.
Speaker 4:I just don't want to stay. So it was somewhere in there. We're at the Grammys playing Do you want to stay? And we have rehearsal the day before. And we're walking in to rehearsal and we're in line and literally right next to me is Springsteen and his wife and I could barely. I was like, oh crap, that's Bruce Springsteen and we watch him do soundcheck. And that was a great year, remember? Bruno Mars was exploding.
Speaker 3:Ricardini, was there? Ricardini, yeah, it was a great show. He soundchecks.
Speaker 4:I'll never forget it. That soundcheck he had you would have thought it was Madison square garden on a Friday night and this was whatever it was morning. It's like 11 o'clock in the morning during soundcheck he was jumping off the riser. I was like man, this is amazing. And then you have this whole thing now where it's like one guy Trump has, and then you have this whole thing now where it's like one guy Trump has literally exposed everybody. It's like now we're talking about do we like Springsteen? It's like man, do I like? I mean, I think I do, but it's weird, isn't it? How like so the last few years have been so, but he put himself there.
Speaker 4:Right, it's his own fault, I agree, but it's crazy how that even made me think about we weren't even talking about this kind of stuff. It wasn't that long ago. It's a shame we're having to talk about this stuff. We're talking about De Niro, who I really love. De Niro, I was watching the Irishman today. Are you a De?
Speaker 1:Niro fan Kalo. I love a lot of his movies, but yeah, once he started coming out and bashing everything. You can't argue with that you look at him differently.
Speaker 5:You just see it differently.
Speaker 1:It's true, I look at him like poor old guy.
Speaker 4:He's just a grumpy old man. Poor old guy's losing it. Who's the celebrity that you hate? The?
Speaker 1:most.
Speaker 3:Who's the celebrity that just irks you. I don't hate anyone, okay, not hate, but just irks you. That was the most loving thing I've ever heard you say. That's a good question. I'm very critical of people's. I don't judge anybody. I don't hate anybody, okay, okay, let's not go that far. Who irks you? Deniro? Yes, does deniro irk?
Speaker 1:you. He's the first one that comes to mind.
Speaker 5:Yeah for sure, for sure. I mean we're, we're right there. I mean the two that we've mentioned right off the top, I think of for a second yeah, there's others's others, they're the most outspoken for celebs.
Speaker 3:Political people that I don't like very much Ellen DeGeneres.
Speaker 1:I don't even care.
Speaker 3:She left.
Speaker 1:Actually I respect her because she's the first one that actually moved out of the country. I respect her. She actually kept her word.
Speaker 5:The first liberal I know she actually kept her word. The first liberal I know of just kept her word. Rosie O'Donnell did too Good for her man. I respect her. I'm glad she's gone Good I miss her so much. Whoopi Goldberg. It'd be cool if she moved. Be nice Again. Here's another story, Whoopi, though so again, I agree.
Speaker 4:She's just angry, my son and my wife are in LA and he's out there. I can't remember he was out there auditioning or something and they're at a restaurant and Whoopi Goldberg was like two seats away.
Speaker 5:Matt, matt or Nell, my wife goes.
Speaker 4:No, listen, listen, my wife goes. Kelly, that's Whoopi Goldberg, you know she's famous and he walked up to her and she talked to him for like 20 minutes, just advice about acting, and really sweet. And so, yeah, I don't like. I don't like where she, how she says stuff and where she stands, but yet when he was wearing a maga hat though would she have done that? No well, I don't, I don't think. So.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lord, no, but you know it was nice of her to do that for a person.
Speaker 4:I agree it brings me back to my thing. It's like okay, Larry David, I love Larry David.
Speaker 3:Love Larry David he hates Trump.
Speaker 4:He hates Trump. But I will not. I still love Larry David. Yeah, I have to. He's the funniest person I've ever seen. Yeah, so it just brings back to the point of what Trump and the hatred did to a lot of these people. It just drove them crazy.
Speaker 3:Well, and the funny thing is, whoopi and Trump used to be tight. A lot of these celebrities and Trump used to be tight, that's my question to you Uh-oh, how did Ted Danson do it?
Speaker 4:Because she is not a pretty woman. She is not.
Speaker 5:And I look at Ted Danson and say, dude, everybody's beautiful to somebody. You're very agreeable tonight.
Speaker 3:That's a gross answer. You're so agreeable, he's a people pleaser.
Speaker 4:You are a people pleaser, I mean Ted.
Speaker 3:Dance has money and he was at the top of his game.
Speaker 4:I mean he'd come off cheers. It was like crazy in movies, and whoopee, that is a tough morning of his game. I mean he'd come off cheers. It was like crazy in movies and Whoopi, that is a tough morning. Look, dude, when the sun comes through the blinds and there's Whoopi, it's like whoa.
Speaker 1:Ted Whoopi, I'm just saying.
Speaker 6:Oh my.
Speaker 9:God, it is tough though.
Speaker 4:I mean, that's my question to you guys.
Speaker 1:Back to the AMAs.
Speaker 4:Who? That's my question. You guys Back to the AMAs Whoopi Goldberg or Ellen Jenner, I don't know.
Speaker 1:What's the question, Neil Do? Y'all I mean what did you think the first time? No, when you saw Beyonce win female country and Post Malone win male country.
Speaker 3:I kind of thought not in total line with Caleb, but that's the system, man.
Speaker 1:But what do you think? Personally, I want to know personally, personally, I go.
Speaker 3:I see it. Whatever I'm scrolling I don't know if it was Insta or X or whatever and I see that and I go oh my God, are you kidding? And I did laugh and I was pissed at the same time.
Speaker 1:And that takes me back to where I went mentally the first time. I was like what is Nashville doing? How can we allow this to happen?
Speaker 4:Oh, they love it.
Speaker 1:What are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? They can't Are you kidding?
Speaker 4:me.
Speaker 1:Nashville. They love it.
Speaker 4:Really you think so. The business people in Nashville, they love that. Beyonce won that.
Speaker 1:Why? How does it benefit Nashville that she won? I think they love the look.
Speaker 6:Sorry, I don't know. Really it's tough. I'm not saying the artists do.
Speaker 4:I'm saying the industry loves the diversity.
Speaker 1:Of that there's no doubt. Let me throw this out there, sorry.
Speaker 3:I see what you're saying. I can see every big label. I get it.
Speaker 1:Listen to me, I totally get it.
Speaker 4:Every big label head. They love that. Beyonce won that.
Speaker 1:Because she's a pop artist.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they love the diversity of it, they love the look of it, they think it's going to help us in the pop world. Do you know?
Speaker 1:why? And win fans. Do you know why?
Speaker 4:I will go down with a ship with this Music Row. They will always be completely disconnected from the actual country listener. That's what they always miss. They always miss the mark that they're missing it. Now go out and look at the fan base. That's what Aldine's always done. Look at your fan base. No one cares who won that award, but Morgan Wallen. He's carrying the crown right now.
Speaker 6:Nobody's competing, I mean.
Speaker 4:Morgan's like take your award.
Speaker 3:I'll take my seven nights in a row at a stadium. Morgan didn't even show up to the awards because he doesn't care.
Speaker 5:He was golfing with Tom Brady. Well, his award was with Post Malone, though Morgan was represented as a winner of what Country Song with Post Malone?
Speaker 1:With Post, yeah, right, yeah winner of what country song with post? Malone with post. Yeah, right yeah but, but like it goes back to what we were talking about about being fan voted. We all know that that's bullshit, the fan voted thing. Everybody and their brother is going to vote for morgan wallen on every category that he's nominated in we all know post malone is huge. Yeah, morgan wallen, it's not even close, morgan.
Speaker 3:Wallen laughs at how Morgan Wallen is cute.
Speaker 1:So that makes me ask the question does Post Malone go home with that award in his hand, have his little spot cleared out on the shelf with a little spotlight for it and feel good about it?
Speaker 3:Sure, he does.
Speaker 1:And think that he legitimately won that I think so, you really do, I do. He would be the only one on the planet that would think he deserved that award. If I was post malone in that position, I would have. I would have gone after the show. I'm calling up morgan, I'm going. Hey, dude, this is your award I can't accept this.
Speaker 6:Well, maybe you did we all know it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he. It would be cool because he knows, and everybody else on the planet and Mars knows, that Morgan Wallen deserves that award.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 1:At every award show that's ever televised. Everybody knows it, Even he knows it.
Speaker 4:But they're doing this. The same reason that they tried to cancel Morgan for that unfortunate incident that we all knew he met, you know, it's the same reason. He's bigger than ever. The more they ignore him and don't give him the awards, the bigger he gets, and everybody's talking about it should be Morgan's award. I couldn't accept the award.
Speaker 1:There's no way, the only.
Speaker 4:thing the only thing I'll say for post Malone, which which I agree with you on that Morgan's cleaning up. But you know post I he does love the genre like he came to town wrote with everybody well, he did it the right way he he did.
Speaker 3:I mean he didn't deserve the award, but he did do it the right way.
Speaker 4:I'm not arguing. You know it's morgan's award.
Speaker 1:I didn't bring this up to, to stick up for him for post malone. I think he's badass, I think he's a, but he doesn't deserve that award. I agree.
Speaker 3:He didn't.
Speaker 5:I just wonder as a question to you guys, and you guys might know, uh, because the first time I heard of post Malone cause I'm so freaking country was when he started doing country stuff. But he's huge, I know. I'm just saying there's a lot of country listeners that just got to start to know him once he started recording with every country star period right I believe it.
Speaker 5:My question is and Morgan is huge in the country and going out, was Post Malone already huge in a bigger genre and then came and captured country also? And if so, if it's fan voted, he would naturally win over Morgan Walling currently. That'd be my thought about that.
Speaker 1:The only way that? That?
Speaker 5:there's no way you don't think that that more people in the world knew who post malone?
Speaker 1:was no, that's not fan voted. It's not, it's bullshit that's. That's the first that's the first lie of the music business in the american music awards is that it's?
Speaker 3:fan voted somebody proved me, prove it that it's fan voted I want
Speaker 2:to see it.
Speaker 1:I want to see how it's fan voted. I wasn't called. Nobody sent me a ballot. I don't know anybody on this planet. I know a lot of people and everybody I know was not sent a ballot to vote for the American Music Awards.
Speaker 5:Nobody. Hey, that's fair. It's probably an online thing. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. It's not a mail-in ballot.
Speaker 1:Show me. I want to see a fan-voted ballot.
Speaker 6:You want your early ballot, send it to trythatinsmalltowncom.
Speaker 1:I want to see the official fan-voted ballot for the American Music Awards. Prove me wrong.
Speaker 4:I got to get it. Who's voting? Who's on their phone saying it?
Speaker 3:It's a good point. Well, I mean, like you were saying, yes, he was a massive superstar in the pop genre, which, yeah, it's big, but I would also argue that morgan has exceeded his level of superstardom and no matter what, take out the genres.
Speaker 4:Morgan's in like rare air.
Speaker 3:right now he's like doing things. Nobody. If Post Malone goes and does his own show, he's not selling what Morgan is.
Speaker 4:There's not even close and that's saying something, because during Beer Bongs and Bentley, yeah, it was huge and that album was monstrous and it is badass. I love that album, it's great. Even the follow-up to that album is great. They're really, really good.
Speaker 3:Morgan goes into a stadium and sells eight nights in a row and sells millions in merch.
Speaker 1:There's only one show that I can remember. There was only one award show that I can remember that was truly fan voted and y'all remember this the music city news awards.
Speaker 1:Y'all remember those awards, you remember that dude yep, you remember this was in the mid 90s when I was an artist and I had seen a lot of those country artists in the 90s. There were so many that were selling platinum huge tracy lawrence, mark chestnut, tracy bird you had all these 90s. Garth was in there, clint black was in there, it was all these. Of course garth wasn't until the late 90s, but it was all these artists and they were big and it was just taken off like crazy. And the music city news awards was a big country music awards show back then and it was truly fan voted because I had seen Neal McCoy's show like four times, because we opened for him and I'm going how is this guy not like? If you ever saw Neal McCoy's?
Speaker 1:show back then he still does. It was amazing. Yeah, when he was younger and a little bit more limber, he was climbing. He was doing climbing ladders before Garth ever dreamed of it. I mean, he was younger and a little bit more limber, he was climbing. He was doing climbing ladders before Garth ever dreamed of it. I mean, he was doing all that and these people. He had a following like nobody else at that time. And he finally, one year I don't know what year it was 96, 97, somewhere right in there.
Speaker 1:The year one entertainer of the year at the music city news awards and I that's, when I knew that that was truly a fan voted award show, because all these people were winning that wouldn't normally.
Speaker 5:That's a great segue, because I actually won Song of the Year at those music awards. You did, yeah, me and Paisley did, for he Didn't have to Be.
Speaker 1:There you go. What year there you go.
Speaker 5:It would have been 2000-ish Wow, what year. There you go. It would have been 2000-ish, wow, yeah, that's unbelievable. And ironically and I don't know this to be true Then it must be. But somebody that was very close because you're talking about Post Malone somebody that was very close to Post Malone and said they had written with him, said that. And we're talking about how much that he loves country music and the genre and everything which he does, everything.
Speaker 6:I've read that one of his favorite songs is he Didn't have to Be. That's what I heard.
Speaker 1:I believe it too, which is kind of cool, and I became a fan immediately. It's a real song, that's why it won Well thanks.
Speaker 5:Thanks for bringing it up guys.
Speaker 3:I mean, I do think that he, like Tony was saying, I think he appreciates the genre and tried to do it the right way. No, doubt. He tried to involve the songwriters, the producers. He went out and toured with Nashville guys. It's a little different than the Beyonce situation.
Speaker 1:It's a lot different than the Beyonce, which is even more of a reason why he should publicly give that award to Morgan. If he's a true country fan and he knows what's going on in country, it'd be good pr. It would be fantastic. He should do it publicly. He should give that award publicly to morgan wallen. I don't deserve this. I appreciate it, thank you. Whoever voted for me whoever that is, it wasn't the fans and publicly give it to morgan.
Speaker 5:He should do that well, maybe they're just I, they're just super tight. They just talk about it on the phone and say, man, that's cool. You know, whatever, morgan probably doesn't care. I don't know, but he probably doesn't.
Speaker 1:He may not, if I, if he may not care, but I'm just saying is from the, from the outside looking, everybody and their brother on Mars and here on earth knows that Morgan deserves every male country artist award that there is out there right now.
Speaker 3:A hundred percent, I agree.
Speaker 4:Well, I tell you they should talk about Morgan Wallen and Garth, which is a cool parallel. You know from what? Garth's first album was 89. He ran from that point all the way through the nineties, pretty much top of the game. Morgan's doing the same thing. Morgan's gonna be because there was no one bigger than garth. Garth was on specials on nbc. He was, yeah, ruling right, and that's kind of what morgan's doing and it's, it's, it's pretty, um, it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1:He's the scotty scheffler of country music. Wow.
Speaker 3:Scotty Scheffler. He's on a run, isn't he?
Speaker 1:I don't get it, that dude. You don't get it. Well, just look at his swing.
Speaker 3:I do get it. You mean the shuffle his foot thing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:He's one of the most amazing athletes I've ever seen. Pretty impressive. It's all about club face control. Who's your favorite golf of all time, all time? Yeah, oh, that's a good question. Did I say me? No, I won't.
Speaker 3:I'm kidding you can definitely say you no I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:no, scotty scheffler is bubble watson was, because I'm all about these guys that know how to use their hands and these unorthodox swings. That makes sense. Bubba Watson has that. I actually got to play with him at his home course, really yeah, I went down with Gary LaVox down to Allworth in Florida and Bubba was living in Tiger Woods' old house where all the stuff went down. What stuff when his wife hit him with the nine iron. Yeah, and when he ran over the, bubba Watson was living in that house.
Speaker 3:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:So I went with Gary LaVox down there, got on the bus, he called me up. Gary called me up one day. He goes hey, you want to go play golf with Bubba Watson? I go, let me think about it, yes. And so I met him at the bus that night. We drove down. I woke up in the parking lot by the range by Tiger's old house and Bubba pulls up in his $50,000 golf cart and picks us up and we go hit balls. And all these other tour pros are pulling up and hitting balls and just talking. So I'm going, what am I doing here?
Speaker 3:That's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we played and I got to play with Bubba and just to watch his unorthodox swinging in person is amazing and I've always been a fan of these guys who don't have. They're not real technical, they're just really good with their hands.
Speaker 3:Do you have his number?
Speaker 1:Can you get him on the podcast?
Speaker 3:No, oh, you don't.
Speaker 1:I might get him.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'll check into that you?
Speaker 3:know who I want to get is Phil Mickelson. Phil Mickelson, I don't know if you follow him on X, very outspoken, yeah, he likes to get in the thick of it. I'd love to get Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 1:But Scheffler's that way though Scheffler's like. He's so unorthodox he has his own thing, he does his own thing and he's beating everybody's cool talk about watson and phil.
Speaker 4:So during the was it 2021 then you went down to the masters yeah, and there was hardly anybody there at this master, so because you can't be outside with covid, I don't know if you can do that. Oh yeah, it doesn't go. So anyway, but it was worked out good for us because went to the masters and no one was there, so we were literally like from me to you.
Speaker 4:I'm watching Watson hit the ball and I watched him hit a ball around a tree, spin it. I was like what I never heard a golf ball sound like that?
Speaker 3:No, it's a different thing. And we saw Mickelson.
Speaker 4:From me to you, dechambeau, we saw that ball exploded DeChambeau, I saw a white puff of smoke and it was gone.
Speaker 3:But yeah, we were there at the masters dude and, first of all, that's a super exclusive uh ticket. Like you can't get those, like you don't, I've played it, I know. I'm just saying that's, I've played there it's amazing. Yeah, I'll show it to y'all that's unbelievable, but we were fortunate enough to be there. No crowds, nobody. We're walking around with everybody like this. We're following the foursome like this. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Cool it was incredible and people don't understand about augusta and how me and kaylo got to play it. Okay, I played it too, it was fun. Oh yeah, and the thing about kaylo over here yeah, you know, I know he's got a new. He's got a one-year-old, year-and-a-half-old new daughter and he's kind of let his golf game slide, but Kalo was a four at one time. Well, so I keep hearing this no, no K going. I'd give my right arm to be able to shake the ball like he's hitting it.
Speaker 3:I'm serious.
Speaker 1:I'm dead serious.
Speaker 3:Go on, he's had that.
Speaker 1:No, and then you kind of lost the passion a little bit. You got married, yeah, had a new baby, passion was taken from him.
Speaker 4:He didn't lose it.
Speaker 6:I totally get it.
Speaker 4:You don't lose the passion when you get married.
Speaker 1:It's taken from you, but when K-Lo got married I lost the passion. I didn't have time.
Speaker 4:Passion is ripped from you, replaced with chores.
Speaker 6:It's stolen like a thief in the night.
Speaker 1:But, I'm just going to tell you all, for our little golf match that's coming up, you need to prod K-Lo over here to get on the range a little bit before we match up.
Speaker 3:What's the strength of Kalo's game? The strength, the way he was putting, not short game, you were putting good the other day, it was yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yesterday you were putting good yesterday. Because I think you weren't thinking.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and he was making a lot.
Speaker 1:I don't know what you shot, but you didn't hit the ball as well as you.
Speaker 5:I played bogey golf. I shot an 89.
Speaker 3:Dang Caleb. All right, I'd love to shoot an 89.
Speaker 4:It would mean so much to me if I could shoot an 89. It really would. It would mean everything to me, really. Yes, if I could shoot an 89, it would mean the world to me.
Speaker 1:It really would I shot 89, I would blow my brains out now wait a second, see that's the difference between me
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Speaker 1:That's the guitar I built.
Speaker 3:Dude, that is so cool you don't like that. I do like it. It's actually I like the size of it.
Speaker 1:It's like a little parlor guitar Sorry, it never gets old. I know you got to be careful what you say on here. Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 3:Sorry.
Speaker 6:But I do love the guitar. But I do love the guitar, oh my God, I do love the guitar Play us something dude.
Speaker 1:It sounds pretty good, right Jim?
Speaker 5:Sounds great.
Speaker 3:I recognize those chords.
Speaker 2:A couple guys in first class on a flight From New York to Los Angeles Kind of make a small talk, kill the time Flirting with a flight attendant. 30,000 feet above Could be Oklahoma. You remember these chords? Oh yeah Y'all ever played this song.
Speaker 3:Just a couple.
Speaker 2:Just a bunch of square cornfields and wheat farms. Man, it all looks the same. Miles and miles of back roads and highways connecting little towns of funny names. Who'd want to live down there In the middle of nowhere?
Speaker 1:You think Springsteen would have wrote this?
Speaker 2:They'd never drove through. Indiana Met the man who plowed that earth, planted that seed, busted his ass for you and me. I caught a harvest moon in Kansas. They'd understand why I got made those flyover states.
Speaker 3:So good, excellent, states, so good, excellent. As a writer of that song, do you understand how great that song is like? Do you? Can you pull yourself back and go?
Speaker 1:yeah, we, we got a good one that you know, when I when I do realize it, but because it I mean I mean it didn't come from me, I mean it came from up there. And it's like when I go to one of y'all's shows, when I go see y'all play, I can't wait to be out at the soundboard when y'all go into that song, when y'all go into that song and all I do is turn around and start doing this 360 and I'm watching everybody sing it.
Speaker 1:And that's when I go I'm like oh well, they know every and it's got a lot of words and it takes a lot of breath to sing it and I'm like these people, know every single word of this song and that's when that's when you realize what you do for a living and that's when it's like you really appreciate and that song has staying power.
Speaker 3:It's still one of the biggest songs in our set. You know you have a few of those in our set, but you know that one in particular that's a special nothing adjacent. Aldine. When people think of Jason Aldean, they go that's a special word, the one that helped great.
Speaker 4:That's just unbelievable, and I'm really one of my favorite ones to play every night nice yeah look forward to playing that one. Even with that fancy chord in there, I know and I have to give Delaney.
Speaker 1:I have to give Michael Delaney all the credit.
Speaker 3:How many times you hear that in a country song?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I would have gone there.
Speaker 3:I know I wouldn't have, but it's like it's perfect. Yeah, it's great, it's so good. It's perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great, it's so good, that's so, michael Delaney, and you know what?
Speaker 3:else it is, it's not an.
Speaker 1:Aldine chord?
Speaker 3:It's not an Aldine chord, we've kind of put that in some other kind of songs and he does not like it. He doesn't like those fancy chords.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe he was listening to the words on that.
Speaker 3:Hopefully, I think you're right.
Speaker 1:I think you're right. I think you're right. No, we were blessed with that one. That one came from above. That wasn't. You know, we're just vessels.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and it really did great song yes, it is you know hard transition here. What's a?
Speaker 3:hard transition I read today that DHS has identified Nashville as a sanctuary city.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I heard that wasn't true. That's on the news, local news. I heard it.
Speaker 4:Is it true? I thought they came out and said that it's not.
Speaker 5:Bob Mueller's in trouble. Bob Mueller.
Speaker 3:He's still rocking the news ain't he?
Speaker 4:he's still rocking the news, ain't he? Is that? Because a few days ago I I thought they came out and had a press conference and said that that wasn't the case, is it?
Speaker 3:well, I explained to people. Some people might not know what sanctuary cities are what?
Speaker 5:yeah, it's just a. Are we talking? Is that the mayor? That's, that's because of the mayor's story, that mcconnell, right, so, so that he had some kind of uh situation where he is aiding and abetting illegal immigrants and they're still, you know, investigating all that stuff he's saying didn't happen. And uh, one of the uh representatives, uh, andy, andy Ogles, is that right? Anyway, he's pressing it really hard, investigating and things like that. So, but, but DHS has identified it, uh, nashville, as a sanctuary city, but nashville itself has not said there's okay.
Speaker 1:Well, thank god, I mean you. I don't want to become a fly around state, yeah we used to be, I mean we're known as a fly over state.
Speaker 3:Now I don't want to become a fly around state yeah, telly kind of brought it up a few weeks ago. You know, you think of tennessee and it is a red state, it is very red. However, nashville proper.
Speaker 1:It's pretty blue. Hence, post Malone and Beyonce, that would be it. They want to become LA. I guess it sounds like Nashville's, like they want to be LA, they want to be Atlanta.
Speaker 4:The label heads for sure. That's their dream. They just, for some reason I don't know what it is the country fan. They're so loyal and they're so amazing the fans of this genre. I don't know why they want to change it. It's weird, right, we're out there, we live out there, and it's like you talk about flower states when you think about these people that have been coming to CMA Fest for 30 years.
Speaker 1:They have tickets. They've had tickets for 30, 40 years and they keep coming. They're loyal, they're loyal. They keep coming, they keep coming and we still want to change it. It's like Nashville doesn't want to honor the fan base that we've had for 40 or 50 years.
Speaker 4:It's really amazing to me the fan base that we've had for 40 or 50 years. It's really amazing to me. It's actually seeing, even when we went through with our song, we had a lot of support. We also had we also didn't get a lot of support from people that we probably should have, yeah, and try that in a small town. But that, speaking to our fan base, like what? What is it that you're fighting against? You know, it was just really weird. You know, the the country music fan is so well, we see them out there, heartland. That's what we're talking about. It's why would you want to change that? That's that's who's coming to the shows, you know. So I don't know.
Speaker 1:How you know, so I don't know. How are you gonna get us to the next topic? Kayla, I've never seen, I've never seen you guys so quiet in my life.
Speaker 3:Well, actually we're just deferring to you because you were on a roll.
Speaker 1:No, we were like I mean it's, it's some subject matters leaves us speechless no well and, and we're like we want to ponder it for a second and we want to think about it.
Speaker 4:Well it's confusing because if you think about country music and you think about what that is and what that means to people and and we all have witnessed the business side of it pushing it the other way, away from the same people that come every year to your shows- if we said it a thousand times, the demographic doesn't match the suits it's like people tend jason, don't put out.
Speaker 4:Whatever you do, don't put out. Try that right, and you can go back to dirt or an anthem for that matter. But jason wanted to put that out there. Don't put that out. It's a career killer. Try that small town. Don't put that out. Whatever you do, he knows what his fan base wants. He he knew it when he talked, like the video. He knew what to put in that video. What he wanted to put in that video wasn't for that was what he wanted, but he also knew that would resonate with his fan base and you know, and it's like not only does he know, uh, what would resonate with his fan base.
Speaker 3:He is the fan base, he is one of those people.
Speaker 4:He that's what he was.
Speaker 1:That's what he how he grew up. You know what I mean. He's one of the few too. What's that? He's one of the few too, yeah, he remembers.
Speaker 4:I love the story. He remembers Nick in Georgia. Well, I think it was Tracy Lawrence show. He was tracy lawrence show. He was a huge tracy lawrence fan. Still is where he remembers, you know, being in first in line, doors opening, running in, yeah, you know, to the to get a good spot. You know that. That's why jason is great like he. He relates to his fans and what they go through to get there in the songs they want to hear. And you have a business music business person saying no, that's not the right song and jason going, yes, it is. Yeah, you know, and uh, I just don't think enough business people spend time on the actual road. I don't mean going to shows hanging out in the, yeah, in the in the green room, yeah, I'm talking about going out in the lawn. Go out in the lawn, it's. It's the greatest tool we have really in our tool belt is seeing those people. Every year they should walk out there and and look around and see why something connects.
Speaker 1:You know I was flipping through instagram the other day and I don't know if it was a country wire post or I don't know what it was, but they had laugh until we cried. Is that you know how they put songs over posts? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:And that's a calo song. Oh, I know it's a fantastic song you want to do it. Thank you, you want to do it oh wow, you just put that on.
Speaker 6:No, I don't why, are we doing that?
Speaker 1:no, I mean, I think you should. I think you should do it why callo you just been called I love that freaking song.
Speaker 5:I want to hear you sing laugh until we cry higher than I would, then I would play it, you can do it I don't think it's already high when it's in g right through my closet the other day.
Speaker 3:I don't know my voice isn't like that he can do it. He's getting hurt. We can't. I don't hear anything from Is it like that he can?
Speaker 5:do it. I don't want to hear anything from you. You want to pick up a guitar and you're a guitar player. I don't hear nothing from you.
Speaker 1:That's the one thing, that's the one problem.
Speaker 3:I have with our podcast folks. Okay, give it to me. All of our listeners Give it to Fondue.
Speaker 1:No, I'm letting it go right now. It pisses me off. We're sitting here doing a podcast with Jason, the staple of his band, right here Sorry, rich, and I'm like Kurt's his lead guitar player and he won't pick up a guitar and play.
Speaker 3:Well, have I not told you guys, I hate the guitar?
Speaker 5:No, I'll put it nicely he doesn't have the passion for the guitar.
Speaker 6:I do.
Speaker 3:It's not really the right thing to say. It was your words.
Speaker 2:I know what it feels, like when somebody.
Speaker 6:He misspoke Look here, I know what it feels like. Oh did I say that.
Speaker 1:Trust me, we know what it feels like to be in a room.
Speaker 3:It's like if you're at a family gathering or wherever. It's like, hey, neil, sing us one and we get it all the time.
Speaker 4:I promise you I have never played guitar at a family gathering. There's not enough ever there for him. He needs more people. We don't have any of our smoking lights and our things it's an ego problem and his text not here.
Speaker 5:But that makes sense.
Speaker 6:You know how we are I know how you are about text and this stuff's not there.
Speaker 3:That's funny, it's got to be right.
Speaker 1:My, my wife says it to me all the time, like, yeah, I just folks, look here, our listeners to all our folks, all our listeners out there we're. I'm working on this for y'all. I will get that son of a bitch to pick up a guitar language and no, he's gonna play. But if it kills me, we're going to do one together. We're all four going to do one together.
Speaker 6:I'll play and then I'll get a tattoo right after. Yes, Stop.
Speaker 5:Saylo, can you play that guitar? I don't know. Please, this is me and Ashley Gourley a very long time ago.
Speaker 3:Ashley Gourley of 84, number ones or whatever it is 83.
Speaker 1:83,. Okay, this is the song we were talking about earlier in the show.
Speaker 9:Going through my closet the other day Found an old yearbook Flipped right to the page, of that senior trip Down there on that Panama strip. We all started yelling when we smelled the beach. Just couldn't wait To try fake IDs. We only had a few days and a whole lot of memories to make. Oh man, we were living, didn't waste one minute. We talked and danced and drank and said goodbye. Yeah, we laughed until we cried. Oops, sorry, kurt. This past year my family was sitting cross-legged around the Christmas tree listening to Grandad. We all knew he'd probably be his last and he was cracking jokes and we were taking turns telling stories about fishing lessons learned out on the porch with him. We all felt like kids again. Oh man, we were living. Sitting there reminiscing. We talked and sang and traveled back in time. Yeah, we laughed until we cried.
Speaker 5:And then Kurt's amazing solo. Right here we can overdub that which you won't hear right now.
Speaker 6:We can overdub that, you know.
Speaker 9:Seems like the best days under the sun, are every emotion rolling to one, a little of this and a little of that, kind of happy and kind of sad. Just the other night the baby was crying so I got out of bed and rocked her a while and I held her tight and I told her it would be alright. And my mind went back to a few years ago when we tried for so long. We almost gave up hope and I remember you coming in and giving me the news.
Speaker 9:Oh man, we were living going crazy in the kitchen. We danced and screamed and held each other tight. Yeah, we laughed until we cried.
Speaker 3:That's a great song. I'm sweating so, caleb let me ask this Obviously when you sing the last verse. Does that have? You know? It's a different kind of thing.
Speaker 5:Yes, it's a different emotion, because before, uh, it was just two guys making up a last verse, you know, like hey, where should it go? And then you didn't want to write anything about somebody having babies and stuff, because generally artists don't want to talk about that, you know, and so, but it seemed like that's where it was supposed to go and I didn't have any kids, and now I have a 16-month-old girl, and so every time, even during the writer's round, we'll be singing that and Neil and I will be singing that, and it hits me totally different. It's an old song right, yeah sure.
Speaker 5:But that verse makes it feel really brand new and so sometimes it gets me kind of have to forget for a second you know, so I don't lose it.
Speaker 3:It reminds me of, you know, country songs at. You know it's not like it anymore, but when you wrote a country song like that at those in that era you couldn't just sing a verse and a chorus because you didn't get the whole story of the song.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:And like that song you can't play a verse and chorus of it. Right, that's right. You have to play the whole thing. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1:Great song, dude. I love it when you write songs that come back to haunt you.
Speaker 2:In a good way, that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yours right there, that one. I mean comes back, not to haunt you, but it means a little bit more.
Speaker 5:Yeah, for sure. Yeah, great song, buddy. Thank you guys. Whose title was that? Do you remember that's ashley's? Actually, those is either the first or second, I get them mixed up. That that ashley came in and and at the time he hadn't had any hits or anything like that, and I'd I'd had a few things and and uh, and he came in and he said he's well, I got this one title. I've thrown it six, seven people. Nobody's really liked it and I thought, well, he has a lot of respect for me. I said what?
Speaker 6:is it?
Speaker 5:and he said laughed until he cried and I just loved it right away and I could just kind of, you know, just like when you, when I threw out try that small town to know you guys, kind of like you guys like oh, we know exactly where that goes same thing, you know.
Speaker 5:It was like oh, I know what the first verse should, I know what the first verse should say, I know what the second verse should say and the chorus and the basics. Not that you're. You know, you're throwing out lines, but here's what the general stuff. And you got real excited. I got so excited about that. Ashley said, wow, you think it's that good? I said, dude, it's great. And he had me questioning my own ability.
Speaker 8:You know, because he's like first off, why do, why do you?
Speaker 5:send me an idea that you don't like. But anyway, that was totally his. And then he just started rolling up that melody never changed one thing of it, and it just rolled out.
Speaker 1:I think it's awesome that you did that. I think our listeners and I hope that our listeners love to hear where the song came from. Oh, I think. So, you know, I think, and if we can incorporate more of that, like, where did the song come from that? Like, where did the song come from, like, when john morgan was on? Yeah, you know, or I don't know? Is he coming out, like, are we gonna put this one out first or we're gonna put john on?
Speaker 3:is this? We'll see. So stay tuned for john, because there's some extra bonus stuff. Oh yeah, a lot of great stuff in that, yep he sings and it's.
Speaker 1:It's just awesome to hear where the idea came from and I think I think our listeners love to hear where the idea of the song came from, hearing you sing it in its rawest form, like you just did.
Speaker 5:That was the rawest. No, it's so good, it's the rawest. I love hearing that more than.
Speaker 1:I do anything, I really do.
Speaker 3:I'll find out, we'll put it on a paywall and see how much they really like it, I'm kidding fans I a paywall and see how much they really like it.
Speaker 5:I'm kidding fans. I know I can count on Ed.
Speaker 1:Should we take requests from our listeners?
Speaker 3:That's actually a great idea, but only songs that we've written. Well, yeah, I can't play Brown Eyed Girl, although we could this isn't middle-aged karaoke here Not?
Speaker 5:that there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 3:Some of the songs. We've talked about this a lot. We did cover bands, I mean that's what we do.
Speaker 1:You know we're going to force you to play guitar.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, you know that right.
Speaker 6:It's coming.
Speaker 3:I'll do it like when Tell me what did you do Taking Care of Business? Brown Eyed.
Speaker 4:Girl staples, like in the old bar band days. Yeah, take care of business. Sing brown eye girl. Yeah, I mean actually what you need by any of the cruisers which you gotta hear telly sing.
Speaker 3:This is no, no kidding, I know telly can sing.
Speaker 1:He can sing great, I know he can but I've heard he shines.
Speaker 3:He shines on la bamba oh, it's something else.
Speaker 4:You're kidding.
Speaker 2:I am not even kidding, I'm not kidding he can do that, right.
Speaker 1:I swear to you. So it goes off, okay, I can't wait.
Speaker 4:I was a huge, huge, like I love early rock and roll to this day. Richie Vounds, Buddy Holly.
Speaker 3:Really rock and roll.
Speaker 4:You're a connoisseur of early rock and roll. I love early rock and roll.
Speaker 4:I never knew this. I love it. It's actually was one of my very first. I mean I loved I was covered up in music as a kid. Like I just I couldn't get enough of it and I I went through a like a fifties phase when I was about 11, 12, 13 years old and that's all I listen to and so I really but that's for you know, the Richie Valens stuff, like I love Richie Valens, but Buddy Holly was who I really. I got a mean Peggy Sue too. I love some Peggy Sue this is all like I never knew this is
Speaker 4:brand new information.
Speaker 1:I never knew this.
Speaker 4:When we have Aldine on again, we should hit some of those, because there's some great stories of that. Wait a minute, aldine. Well, because when we're together generally, we'll do like a karaoke night sometimes.
Speaker 1:See, my karaoke go-to is like Skid Row. It's all 80s. This is actually a great segment.
Speaker 3:What is it? Skid Row? It's all 80s rock. It's Loverboy, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Everybody working for the weekend mean that's I'm going there, I'm going there yeah, not many people can sing that. That's impressive that's really impressive yeah, uh, tully's go-to you.
Speaker 3:You have a few go-tos I got a few. What's the one that you and aldine always do together the rock song lightning crashes, lightning crashes. And then there's another one too. What's the three doors down song? No, I think I am thinking of lightning crashes. Yeah by live.
Speaker 5:Yeah, kayla, what do you do? I don't do anything.
Speaker 6:You do the same.
Speaker 5:Here's why. Okay, because years ago on one of the family Alaskan cruise and there was karaoke and my mom and dad are there, brothers there, everybody, nieces and all that stuff and and, and they said, hey, you ought to get up there and do some karaoke, you know, and I thought, although surely they'll have something, I thought maybe they'll have something you know in, you know, in vain. You think, well, maybe they have something I've written that'd be kind of easy to do and I go up there, and. But they had very little country.
Speaker 5:I think there's only one or two titles, and one of the titles they had was live like you were dying, right, and it's Tim McGraw, huge, huge song. And and and I thought, well, I could do that, because I've heard Tim Nichols, one of the writers, sing it at writers nights over and over and over again. So I thought, well, surely I can do it. Yeah, but it was just in a key that it's so different from when I'm used to hearing Tim do it, tim Nichols do it and not Tim McGraw, but Tim Nichols is the one I hear doing it all the time, and so in my mind that's the note I was hearing, but it started like three keys higher and I never could find it.
Speaker 3:Oh no, you couldn't find the pitch I couldn't start.
Speaker 5:I mean, I came in completely off key and almost stayed there for like a whole verse.
Speaker 3:I was petrified, his whole thing, mortified, and and there wasn't enough whiskey in that whole room to make that okay. Actually, no, you did. No, it's circling no it's before cell phones. We just put it out it's before cell phones.
Speaker 4:We'll do that. We'll have the end of tour parties and we'll have that karaoke. Yeah, oh my god we'll just sing, and yeah, you know yeah, aldino could do uh drift away drift away.
Speaker 3:That's what you're gonna hear we'll have.
Speaker 4:That'd be good, you know, I remember, uh, back in the day, the late 90s or 97, whenever me and jason started hanging out was probably, I guess, 99 whatever we would go down to, uh, this little bar in bellevue, tennessee, and we'd do karaoke. We seen like cuts like a knife by brian adams, you know and and which was you know. We always had a good time doing that stuff.
Speaker 3:No, it's incredible, he still loves it to this day. Yeah, it's a good time, well oh god, what do you got? What do you end what? What you got? I think I need some wd-40 over here.
Speaker 5:You definitely need some. I hear it in all the episodes.
Speaker 3:Do you really? Yeah, I hear it in all of them. Listeners. We got to Ed. If you hear this, let me know Ed's heard it. Ed's definitely heard it.
Speaker 6:We need some WD-40. Can we get?
Speaker 3:sponsored by WD-40? Sure Okay.
Speaker 5:What are?
Speaker 6:you doing? Did y'all watch any?
Speaker 5:joe, you're not gonna sing one no, go ahead oh, oh, did y'all watch any of the um?
Speaker 5:you had the, the regionals going on. You know super regionals and yes, I did coming up and so I'm big tennessee vols fan, right, and uh, so they, they got through, they they uh beat wake forest and uh, it was in knoxville and everything. And did y'all hear the controversy with the wake forest coach and everything? So I did. So you had one of our, our third baseman, andrew Fisher. He's a great player, good home run, hitter, hitter, power hitter and everything. And we were leading at the time, the balls were leading at the time, and I think he came, came up there and he's, you know, and those guys are, they're just juiced and just getting the crowd up and everything, and uh, and I think he was playing to the crowd a little bit, he's at home. And then the camera was on the Wake Forest coach. You know who's been around, you know, for a while. He's a very solid coach and they caught him on camera, you know, saying an explicit and then a how do you say, what does the explicit start?
Speaker 5:with. Well F it starts with an F, and then you know, I guess you would say this day and time a homophobic slur. You know after that, so it's two. Fs, two Fs, two Fs. Word one F, second word F, but an old school word, like you know.
Speaker 4:What's the second?
Speaker 1:letter of F Sounds like. Sounds like Two syllables. Sounds like when I was young and playing yard ball, playing football in the side yard.
Speaker 5:Hacky sack.
Speaker 1:Whatever. I got in trouble one time for saying the word. I called one of my friends bastard. My mom was listening out the window of the house. I said you bastard. I didn't know what it meant. Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 5:We used to say that word, the F word.
Speaker 3:I was like like I didn't know what it meant no, it covered everything.
Speaker 1:It covered everything, right, like you know, bastard, you didn't know that I'm a.
Speaker 5:You're so cool like you are, said your mother is don't talk about my mother, we're innocent when it, when it came to those words, we were when we were young.
Speaker 1:That's true. We don't throw, that's true and probably that guy.
Speaker 5:in no way was he thinking to himself you know anything that than something he said in high school, to mean it as a slur, you know just as a right. But he took major heat from his AD.
Speaker 4:Everybody's too sensitive. Well, you're right. You are right. Get over yourself, everybody, get over yourself. It's a word. There's a couple words. We don't say that we know we can't say that will forever be off the table that we know we can't say that we'll forever be off the table. I agreed.
Speaker 5:But, and that's one, I mean you don't throw that around.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for the most part, though, everybody needs to chill out, and they'll be so sensitive.
Speaker 2:Everybody needs to chill out.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure you could call me something that I'd be offended by, especially fondue, I mean no.
Speaker 6:Well, the important thing, you're an ever-flowing fountain of cheese.
Speaker 1:Well, the important part of the story as a.
Speaker 5:Vols fan is after. The coach got really mad and threw that out. Then Andrew Fisher hit a two-run home run, which was fantastic.
Speaker 3:There you go and you're going to the College World Series. They're going to, or to, omaha, yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 5:They have to play Arkansas.
Speaker 3:They're going to.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they're going to. They have to play Arkansas two out of three, starting Saturday, Then it goes through Monday possibly, so it's two out of three.
Speaker 3:By the time this airs, you're going to.
Speaker 1:Omaha. I hope so. It'd be good, it'd be great.
Speaker 6:That's a great story.
Speaker 1:At least they can win a championship in some sport, but did you watch the WNBA game last night? It'd be a great, I love that, but did you guys watch what happened last night?
Speaker 6:in the WNBA game no.
Speaker 1:I'm one of 48 billion people that doesn't watch it.
Speaker 5:No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It's true.
Speaker 4:You really didn't see it.
Speaker 3:It's amazing. No, no, hold on.
Speaker 4:Are you being serious, please? This always gets me. I get up in the morning, my coffee Dog next to me. I get up in the morning, my coffee dog next to me, cranky. Turn on sports center. There's been a whole slate of major league baseball games, hockey playoffs, that NBA basketball playoffs, and I've got to sit through a string of W NBA highlights. I'm like what are you doing? No one's there, no one cares, they're playing with a tiny ball. Even the highlights are like wow, I feel like I could play in that league. I feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 3:You know what I don't know what. I do know what ESPN is doing because I I obviously have ESPN app when I click on it. It you know what the first stories are WNBA, yes, I want to bring it up? It's not.
Speaker 1:I don't know basketball football or golf I don't know why they can't just say thank you to Caitlin Clark. Why can't they just thank her? Look buddy, they don't like her because she's the only reason that the they don't like her.
Speaker 4:WNBA is on the planet. Why can't they just say thank you?
Speaker 3:They don't like her dude. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4:Even with Kaitlyn Clark. That's all well and good. She's great. She was really fun to watch in college. Just pull the WNBA off, Kill the league, take it away. No one cares about it. I want you to. I want a clip of this. He's true.
Speaker 1:He's speaking truth right now. He's putting my language right now.
Speaker 4:Anyone who loves the WNBA, please.
Speaker 6:You know who doesn't love it Women.
Speaker 1:Women don't love the WNBA.
Speaker 4:Who does like it it's.
Speaker 1:Tully Talk.
Speaker 4:Loving it. Well, I'm just Come on seriously, we know what's going on. There's no money. And then my favorite part is they want to get. They're mad because they want their pay to be like the men get. I'm like, well, you're missing some major pieces. Crowds, you know. Viewership, yeah, you know I just enough's enough, like let's find something else. I mean, can I? I know this is.
Speaker 3:I don't think I'm offending anybody. Caleb, have you seen the WNBA?
Speaker 5:game, not in its entirety, just some of the highlights and some of the stuff that goes on with the Kaitlyn Clark and the other players that hate her.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and knock her down. You watch it for that.
Speaker 5:Like a foosball. Yes, they're just knocking her all over the place, but she's, you know, she'slin Clark, yeah, period.
Speaker 1:So that leads us to this topic. Oh boy.
Speaker 5:I watch women's softball.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 5:It's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, women's softball is actually really good.
Speaker 5:Are you being serious?
Speaker 1:No, the softball. Those girls are legit.
Speaker 5:And the pitchers. I mean they're amazing, let's get to a story real quick.
Speaker 3:No, they're legit Because we real quick because we used to have the aldine softball team and don't remember uh, don't forget what you were gonna get to.
Speaker 6:But we got to say this we used to go out and play softball at least once a week.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it'd be a bent against the competing radio station or whatever. We fancied ourselves a softball team. We were good, we were, we were. I'll play a lot of sports on the road but anyway, we went to a I forget what campus it was, but the women's softball team played on this field that we played on and the women's pitcher challenged us to see if anybody could hit her, and it was a woman.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a man, right. She was definitely a woman.
Speaker 3:Nowadays, you don't know she is, you're right, but she was definitely a woman and she pitched and I'm not sure anybody hit her. There were some foul balls. Yeah, it's legit. Pass pitch softball, it was, it's legit.
Speaker 5:And Pickens, which is the starting pitcher for the Tennessee Vols. She broke her own record and I think it was 79.6 or 79.8, which the equivalent for guys in the pros would be like 103, something like that. It's because the distance and all this stuff, but it's no way any of us is going to be hitting that ball.
Speaker 1:When women and men are actually equal in speed, the downhill, they never equal in speed.
Speaker 3:Actually, it isn't equal in speed.
Speaker 6:Women always wreck in NASCARar.
Speaker 1:it's not, they never make it to the finish line ever in nascar oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's, there's been a couple of it's time for another break, but no, no, no no, this is perfect, because it shows you that the car is the athlete, not the driver, always. And she just did not. Danica Patrick did not, ever, I don't know. And it wasn't a female-male thing.
Speaker 3:We'd love to have her on the podcast, by the way. When it comes to cars.
Speaker 1:it's never the female, it's the team thing.
Speaker 4:Well, she's a woman driver.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she always got wrecked. She always got pushed out of the way. You know, anybody can drive fast, anybody, you can drive fast. We could put you in a NASCAR, in a race car, right now, and we could teach you how to drive fast. How good are you in the mix Now? Okay, the car is the athlete, not the driver. But I will say this If you put any four, of us in a.
Speaker 1:NASCAR race right now you'd be dead last or never make it. It'd be impossible. It depends on how much training I've had.
Speaker 5:I don't think we could start now.
Speaker 1:It's all about horsepower dude. It's all about horsepower In any industry.
Speaker 5:I don't think any one of us could start right now and get to the top of it.
Speaker 1:I could name you a handful of drivers that Earnhardt he had in his heyday. He was the best driver out there, he had the best team, he had the best equipment and nobody could beat him. Jeff Gordon. The same way I could go down the list of NASCAR drivers. Yeah, it was a perfect combination of equipment and driver. That's what it comes down to in racing.
Speaker 3:I don't know enough about it.
Speaker 1:Well, equipment and driver.
Speaker 5:Well, no, but you're adding the driver now on the balance Equipment and driver, but you're adding the driver now. That makes sense. You were just saying the car, you said Tully, could win.
Speaker 1:But if Earnhardt was driving somebody else's car, that was not up to it. It doesn't come up to him.
Speaker 6:It's not up to him.
Speaker 1:He can only go so fast and drive that car till the wheels fall off only so far and still finish last. It's a combination of the driver and the car combination, then that works. Tom Brady did not easy. Careful Tom Brady could have played anywhere in the NFL and succeeded um ok you're out of your depth. If you want to talk football with me, then let's go.
Speaker 6:I've only played since I was six.
Speaker 3:But here I'll say this about college football College football is different.
Speaker 4:Today it is. You're not like a pro football guy In pro football. What's he talking about?
Speaker 1:You're not a pro football guy.
Speaker 4:You agree In NFL?
Speaker 1:Who do you think led the Patriots? Who was the main guy on the Patriots team? Who was the crew?
Speaker 4:chief Bill Belichick's girlfriend who was the crew chief at the Patriots? Tom Brady was the crew chief.
Speaker 1:Without him, they don't win that many championships.
Speaker 4:I totally agree doesn't happen. But also there's a system involved and, like, tom was perfect with belichick and the way tom thought and belichick coach, it was a, it's a magic. That's all about nfl football, that combination. You can look back on those teams. You know whether the niners and all those teams and the coach and the quarterback. I love that about nfl, like it's a. To me it's a team, and I think Brady would tell you the same thing. That's why the Patriots had so many role players. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1:I'll throw you a little wrinkle here. Would Bill Belichick be Bill Belichick without Tom Brady?
Speaker 4:No, no, I'll tell you that Would Tom.
Speaker 1:Brady be Tom Brady without Bill Belichick.
Speaker 4:Maybe not as well. Probably not. I think there's a magical thing that happens.
Speaker 3:It's very rare that combination of winning I agree with that, because if Tom Brady goes to the Browns, he's never Tom Brady.
Speaker 1:He would have found a way In football. It's all about the locker room. Well, look though you kneel, I've been there. I've been there, I've showered with them. It's that's a whole different podcast.
Speaker 4:I've been there, listen, I know what the locker room's like. It's not just that, though, because it's the scheme. It's like that's why the you know the Pats would get like a Wes Welker. Okay, they and Gronk and all these guys through the years, they literally built this, the system for Tom to like succeed in. You know, it wasn't just what do you do with the Buccaneers, wasn't just yeah, he won.
Speaker 1:No, no, he. What do you do with the Buccaneers he?
Speaker 3:did bring his guys.
Speaker 1:I rest my case.
Speaker 3:What did he do?
Speaker 1:I know, but he Buccaneers but Neil, and changed the whole dynamic of that whole program. But you got a track and won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4:This is where you're stubborn. One guy Listen to me, but you had a whole track record of how Tom played. A way Tom succeeded in the way that he thrived.
Speaker 1:Time for the guitar, all right, anyway, anyway, I mean we're probably over at this point anyway.
Speaker 9:I'm going to ask Anyway, I mean, we're probably over at this point.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you know what, neil? You got something to get you. No, I don't, I don't, I'm just, I don't know. I sit back and analyze and I listen to everybody. I listen to you, I listen to you, I listen to you. Love you guys, but it's my last show, k-lo.
Speaker 6:It's my last show. K-lo it's my last show? No, it's not.
Speaker 1:No, I respect everybody's opinions. That's where I'm going to leave it right there.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, good, we got it. No, no, no, it's good, get it out.
Speaker 1:I'm an Alabama fan, okay. Okay. I look at what's happened to the program and just the whole atmosphere around the whole program since Saban left. I look at it when he was there and I'm like, it's like, and it goes back to your Belichick argument. It's the leadership, that's whoever's in charge the leadership, and it's a team thing, it's a combination thing. Belichick and Brady were like unbeatable.
Speaker 3:They were. But it's also to Tully's point college is different in the NFL.
Speaker 1:for that reason you have to have the coach, the system in place in college, but I'm relating college to NFL now because of NIL. Now they're very, very, very, very close. Now we're talking. It's all about dollars now it is In both sports, which leads me to, I think, college football is absolutely in a bad spot right now.
Speaker 1:I think you're right and ironically it's going to take somebody like Saban to kind of get it back to where it was. It's weird they opened Pandora's box andan to kind of get it back to where it was.
Speaker 3:It's weird They've opened Pandora's box and I don't think they know how to close it.
Speaker 1:But it's going to take Saban to do that and it might be Saban, that does it. And I think that's fixing to happen. Yeah, I really do. Somebody's got to take the reins and go. Hey, because the NCAA apparently don't know what the hell they're doing. I think they're trying to turn it into the NFL I do and they're going to kill the innocence of college football forever if somebody like Saban doesn't take the reins and turn it back around where it needs to be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can't disagree.
Speaker 5:You got anything to end on? Nope, I just ordered my dinner successfully did you really yep, what'd you get? Harissa chicken from uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 1:I would think somebody you get dinner for one, I would. Kaylo, I would think you would want to chime in on the on the college football thing no, I felt like you're on a good roll no no being a being a fan. I figured you'd want to To Ziki's.
Speaker 3:To Ziki's nice Because.
Speaker 1:I think Heupel has. I think I respect him for the way he's handled the situation with y'all's quarterback leaving.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think he's done really well. I mean, but the whole thing you're talking about, with the whole dynamic and the NIL, it's so I mean I, I don't know what one person is going to be able to fix all that. It's never going to be the same as it was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for an outsider. Like I said, you guys know I'm not a huge.
Speaker 1:I know Our fans know that you guys are NFL guys, we're college guys, but as the outsider, looking a little bit and I really do like college football.
Speaker 4:I love following the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1:Al Dean's more of a college guy than he is.
Speaker 4:NFL, I will bulldog al dean's more of a college guy than he is in effect. I will say, though, looking at it, you know I I don't like it. No, like I. I know it wasn't perfect before and I know that there were things that weren't right, but now it feels way worse to me. They're gonna fix it. You got guys making too much money too young at for not the right reasons and it's taken a lot of the innocence, like you said. I don't know if that's the right word either.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I didn't say innocence, it was no. No said innocence, whatever.
Speaker 4:That part of it seems to have, because the one thing I love about college I mean you're like they're out there trying their hardest Good, because they love the game, love the game and also about college, they're out there trying their hardest Because they love the game. Love the game and also, look, they want to go to the NFL. Yeah, but what's the motivation now? Is it to just make the quick money? Is it to even get it is?
Speaker 3:Well, and the thing of it is now it's bleeding into high school and you're seeing high school kids.
Speaker 6:It's even going lower than that you. Now it's bleeding into high school and you're seeing high school kids.
Speaker 3:It's even going lower than that, you're right, and it's affecting 14-year-olds to 18. It's a thing, dude. Yeah, it's a real thing and it might be an episode later it even affects the parents.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100%, big time, yeah On where they steer their child to go. Yeah, Money.
Speaker 3:Well, there's money being handed out in high school now, and it's just weird.
Speaker 5:And I'm really glad that a lot of the players are getting compensated. You know, to some degree it's just I wish they did it a different way. Coming out Now, it's just the wild, wild west.
Speaker 4:I don't know if you can ever do it.
Speaker 5:And for the fans it definitely hurts the fan experience for sure.
Speaker 1:To Kalo's point, my whole thing at the beginning was why don't you put it in a trust? If they either get drafted or they graduate, they get that when they leave. They shouldn't get it while they're playing. They should have something to look forward, to Put it in a trust, put it out here. This is what you get when you graduate and or get drafted.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because now they could have that promise of this many million and then next year somebody says, well, we'll add two million to it, and then they're gone.
Speaker 1:It's like an insurance policy. It's sitting out here waiting on you. Yeah, don't pay them while they're playing, pay them when they're done and they work toward that. It's a goal that they get to work for.
Speaker 5:I don't. It seems like common sense to me. Well.
Speaker 1:I don't know, call Nick up it's a good idea.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I'm just like why you know, and while you're at it, get him on the podcast, because he'd be great.
Speaker 5:Yeah, big time yeah, and Alden wants to meet him. And on that.
Speaker 3:No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. Let's wrap this up. It's been fun. I knew there was some good juju in the room.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I do want to finish on one, belichick. Okay, all right, okay, you got me on it. Sorry, kurt, no end it. Give us something good On the true greatness of Brady and Belichick. You probably didn't follow the Pats through the whole run and see how they won the Super Bowls. Oh yeah, a lot of that was defense. Bill was incredible defense, but Brady would manage the game. It's that perfect combination of him not having to be the guy to go throw five TDs every game, but managing the game. Brady won upstairs in his head. That's how he won every game. He won every game. He didn't win it by his arm, or certainly not by his being mobile, but he's very smart, that combination of Belichick and him. He didn't win it by his arm, or certainly not by his being mobile Yep, but he's very smart. And that combination of Belichick and him that's what I miss.
Speaker 1:That's what I really miss. Brady's influence in the locker room, in my opinion, changed everything. Well, that's what winning does too. That's what it does, and it applies to every aspect of business, no matter what you do in life.
Speaker 4:Boy, you're wrapping this thing up beautifully.
Speaker 1:I think it does.
Speaker 4:Tying the room together? In what?
Speaker 1:we do writing songs. Yeah, it's all about. I mean his influence in the locker room changed the whole facade of that whole program.
Speaker 4:So, tom, what we're saying is please come on the podcast, please, that'd be great to have you on. Be amazing, jim, invite Tom.
Speaker 3:We were on the fence whether we should invite him. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. Uh, let's end it here, guys, that was fun, that was fun, neil, did you get everything off your chest? Yeah you should, I do All right, neil called me.
Speaker 6:He called you a lot of things I don't think that'll make it.
Speaker 3:It might not make it. That's thrash, that's K-Lo, that's TK. I am fondue. It's amazing. Try that in a small town podcast. Thanks for watching guys. Guys make sure to follow along.