Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
Try That in a Small Town Podcast
The Women of Country Music, A Titans Father's Day and GOAT QBs
The stark reality of women's declining presence on country radio sparks a passionate debate among Nashville veterans in this candid conversation about the state of modern country music. When confronted with the statistic that female artists now make up only 8.39% of country radio play—down from 29% in 2000—the hosts don't hold back their theories on why this dramatic shift has occurred.
Amid criticisms that today's female artists "all sound the same," the group highlights an emerging artist named Mary Kutter who's breaking the mold with her authentic Kentucky backwoods sound and polarizing approach. Her willingness to tackle controversial subjects has drawn comparisons to how Alanis Morissette disrupted 90s music, offering a refreshing counterpoint to an industry that often rewards safe, formulaic music from female performers.
The discussion takes an unexpected turn when the hosts identify a major opportunity in country music—the duo category. With Florida Georgia Line's breakup leaving a vacuum and Brooks & Dunn still commanding attention decades into their career, they make a compelling case for why aspiring male artists might find greater success by pairing up rather than competing as solo acts in an oversaturated market.
Perhaps most revealing is the conversation about changing power dynamics in Nashville, where even songwriters with double-digit number one hits describe having to jump through new hoops just to get in a writing room with today's artists. This shifting landscape points to deeper concerns about respect for craft and experience in an industry increasingly driven by streaming numbers and social media presence rather than artistic legacy.
Between moments of nostalgia for 90s country's distinctive female vocalists and candid observations about political divisions splitting up successful acts, this episode offers an unfiltered look at country music's present challenges and future possibilities from those who've lived through its many evolutions. Tune in for genuine insider perspectives you won't hear on mainstream country radio.
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But the Titans posted this Happy Father's Day to all the Titan moms and fatherly figures. What does that even mean?
Speaker 2:Oh what is that. Confused.
Speaker 1:I assume they mean that there might be women that are the father of their, as if you have two women.
Speaker 4:Or they could be talking about step-dads, have they not?
Speaker 3:learned yet All of them. What the hell are they doing with their? They've got to sell tickets to football games. Only 8.39% of artists on country radio are women today.
Speaker 1:What was the percentage? And it was 8.39%.
Speaker 3:It's down from 29% in 2000. So in 25 years it has totally declined. As far as female artists on the radio, Okay, so why is that? Maybe we need to recruit better singers.
Speaker 2:These artists today, these young artists. I'm going to harp on it again, not repeating myself there's a false sense of stardom from streaming Just because you have a song. Wouldn't you rather have 20 songs that go top 10 than one? Like really think about it, like if you know, sometimes you know being a duo and have success, tour, write songs?
Speaker 5:The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the Try that in a Small Town podcast. We're coming to you from the Patriot Mobile Studios. There's a really interesting energy at the table tonight. It's been a weird day. It's been a very weird day. We're going to continue table tonight.
Speaker 2:It's been a weird day it's gonna been a very weird day.
Speaker 4:We're gonna continue it. It's been a weird.
Speaker 3:It's been a weird few years no, it's been a weird couple couple weeks yeah it actually really has we can maybe get into that a little bit.
Speaker 1:That was thrash, we got kaylo, we got t Fondue. People say fondue but, the only time we use it is as an introduction.
Speaker 3:Do you ever call me?
Speaker 1:fondue no.
Speaker 4:I don't. I call you Kurt. We'll see what happens. It's new, though It'll work its way in.
Speaker 1:We'll see what happens with it. Neil, I don't even know what to do. I was going to ask you about your golf match, but you're cradling a football. What's what's on your?
Speaker 3:mind. No, no, I I played a match today and and I got beat on the 18th hole I had. I actually had a four-footer left to right.
Speaker 1:I misread it so was it actually left to right? Yeah, is that how you?
Speaker 3:misread. No, it's left to right. It was, but it was a little outside the hole. I put it. I putted it right at the left edge and it wasn't enough. My speed was good, my stroke was good, everything was perfect and it lipped out and I could have extended the whole match if I'd have made that putt. But I did not make it and I was eliminated today and losing sucked but you made it to 18.
Speaker 4:That's what we're talking about earlier, like it's all perspective. That's what, kaylo. You made it to 18. You didn't get beat on every hole. It's match play, I told kayalo.
Speaker 3:When he got here he's like how'd you do? And I said I lost on 18. I missed a four-foot. He goes. That's good. You made it to 18. There's nothing good about losing Nothing. You're not, ricky.
Speaker 1:Bobby, so would you rather us go? Dude, you missed a four-footer.
Speaker 3:I expect more out of him when it comes to that. But there's guys in the open. We just watched that would miss two-footers.
Speaker 4:Is their name Neal Now granted. Granted, their conditions might have been a little harder and the greens might have been a touch faster, but they still missed it and I bet the people didn't tell him on the way up. I can't believe you freaking missed that.
Speaker 3:Rory missed the putt. Well, I guarantee you, they didn't say at least you made it this far. They didn't say that either.
Speaker 4:I bet the wives did the wives said it Because they're supportive and they care.
Speaker 3:They got scolded for it too. They don't want to hear that.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm going to.
Speaker 3:I should have If you ain't first, you're last.
Speaker 2:That's what I teach my kids, that's right.
Speaker 3:Says Ricky Bobby and so I hold a football, you know, for comfort, for comfort, and I'm looking forward to it. I may hold a football from every episode from here until football season starts. I'm with you. I may hold on to this football. Just come on, baby.
Speaker 1:Do you typically hold it in your left hand? No, I don't. I get good control.
Speaker 3:Either one, I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know, speaking of football, we won't give it away, but we might have someone coming up very soon that you can talk some good football with.
Speaker 3:Can you?
Speaker 1:drop any names. Maybe Maybe not Tune in next week what? Maybe Maybe not Tune in next week, what?
Speaker 3:Maybe, maybe not. We'll see Somebody famous in football.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's American football. It's not that soccer bullshit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't count the other football, the original OG football.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, we'll leave them hanging. Leave our listeners hanging there you go.
Speaker 1:It's been a weird day, it's been a couple weird weeks. It's been a very weird day, yeah what was so weird about it.
Speaker 2:So many things.
Speaker 3:Just today.
Speaker 2:Just today was a weird day. I don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 1:I don't even know where to begin, it's been a couple weird weeks for Neil. His daughter just got married for one. That's a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was good, that was a good thing. Yeah, absolutely a good thing. Yeah, and you guys came, we did, we looked good, didn't we? You looked good.
Speaker 2:You guys dressed up, clean up, nice. One of us in the room didn't follow Ali's specific instructions.
Speaker 1:Yes, you don't see him at the table.
Speaker 2:No, you hear him laughing in the background.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's him, jim. Our producer apparently didn't read the all black.
Speaker 2:Or you don't fear Ali, like we do.
Speaker 4:True fear. Maybe he's not knower enough.
Speaker 3:What color suit? I didn't even notice because I was in a fog he wore. Is it a powder blue, was it?
Speaker 2:he wore a gray suit, gray jacket it looked nice though and it was.
Speaker 3:It did look nice the invitation was specific, right, it was very specific it was black, so specific.
Speaker 2:I went out shopping for it. Because I fear Allie like anybody should yeah, no. Oh, because I fear Allie like anybody should, yeah, no.
Speaker 6:Oh no.
Speaker 2:She talked to me about it. Is that Jim? In?
Speaker 4:a gray jacket. I think it said Tuck's optional black tie required. Yes, right, it did, which is pretty firm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and we excused Tully from the tie part. Yeah, you still look good.
Speaker 4:Black is fine, nobody said a word. Black tie just means kind of black suit, she told me, though I didn't have to wear a tie.
Speaker 3:And Jim, nobody said anything about your suit. You look fantastic. You look great, ali mentioned it, though.
Speaker 4:You look great.
Speaker 2:No one but Ali mentioned it. Yeah, just the bride, just the bride, it's cool upsetting her on her first marriage.
Speaker 4:I know I got both.
Speaker 3:I mean I got both my girls married off now, so they're both off the payroll now and but it just I don't feel any lighter you don't feel any?
Speaker 1:no, I don't. You're never off.
Speaker 3:I took bet, I took bets because ali's my oldest and I took bets that she would probably come back from Jamaica pregnant. Oh wow, and I bet I win. I bet she is. I bet Because she's like she wants the kids and I wouldn't if they're just free-for-all in Jamaica.
Speaker 2:There's nothing.
Speaker 1:It's probably not the visual you want.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just saying, hey, she's married, now Do it, let's go.
Speaker 2:If you're going to have kids, let's go. If Do it, let's go. If you're going to have kids, let's go. If you're going to do it, I'm ready to be a grandpa. So just go from married to pregnant in your book. She's fun, that's great, that's how I did it.
Speaker 1:That's what she wants to do Somewhere in that order.
Speaker 4:I did something similar to that Well then at least you don't go through the dog phase hey, let's get a Malt, and then they get two, and then they don't have kids, they don't have time and they're their kids, and then all of a sudden that wears off and then they have babies. They just go right to the babies and don't get the indoor pets.
Speaker 3:Well, they've already got the dogs Absolutely filthy. They've already got the dogs.
Speaker 4:Oh, I didn't mean that, Allie.
Speaker 2:I think the dogs are the ones, Neil.
Speaker 1:what do you got? I heard him yapping about something.
Speaker 3:A few minutes ago, before we start there, I read something here that says only 8.39% of artists on country radio are women today.
Speaker 1:What was the percentage? And it was 8.39% Wow that's very impressive.
Speaker 3:It's down from 29% in 2000. So in 25 years it has totally declined. As far as female artists on the radio, Okay, so why is that? Maybe we need to recruit better singers. Maybe they need to sing better songs.
Speaker 4:Or maybe we don't know of all of them that are actually in Nashville and they just don't have deals yet.
Speaker 3:No, I think all these girls that they've got pictures of. Is this a radio?
Speaker 1:or like being streamed.
Speaker 3:It says country radio Artists on country radio are women 8.39%, and there's a huge. There's a montage of faces on this thing and it's not coming from me. I'm just reading what I read and it doesn't look good for women, unless they start stepping up their game a little bit and they can blame whoever they want to. It could be the music it could be the, and I think 99 of them sound exactly the same so there's a lot of that and I'm not saying they're bad singers, I'm just saying they all sound alike.
Speaker 4:You mean the ones successfully right now on the radio all sound the same. They're only like five. There's a lot of them, I mean now, that are doing well there ain't five.
Speaker 3:Every one of these pictures of these girls right here.
Speaker 4:I've heard their names and they've all had hits like roll some, roll some out.
Speaker 3:Oh, you got megan maroney, you got that girl right there and that girl right there.
Speaker 6:Ella Langley to me, ella Ben-Mellis.
Speaker 3:She's over here. She's not. She shouldn't even be in this. She's a world apart. I think in my book.
Speaker 1:You're saying she's unique and awesome. Absolutely yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Lainey Wilson is over here in the same category. She's her own. I agree, there's a couple of others, but for the most part the ones and I don't know the names of them, but I've seen their faces before. They all sound exactly the same to me and I'm not dissing them for anything. They all can sing, they all can carry a tune, they're great and whatever. But I mean, I think the listener may be just a little bit bored and they're not researching like they should.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting because, uh, what was the previous day? 2000 something? Uh, what was that? Was it trisha yearwood?
Speaker 4:was it, uh? Martina mcbride. There were a lot of, there were a lot of favorite you could tell them, though, when they came on the radio.
Speaker 3:You knew who it was. I knew it was trisha. I knew martina. I knew reba. I knew faith hill, I knew they Hill. They all had their own brand and their own sound. Today, to me, in the female category, it's just a sleeve of crackers.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is a t-shirt you mean they're all from Georgia To me
Speaker 3:you're just a sleeve of crackers.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. With a little bit of cheese thrown in To your point you're right, which is why me and kurt are working with this new female artist, which we haven't worked with a female artist in a long time that we actually thought had a shot. So check out mary cutter we were. You know she's done really well on social media and she's got a really unique thing she writes. You know she's from like kentucky backwoods and writes these really aggressive songs.
Speaker 1:She is not trying to be anything of what you heard as a matter of fact it is like shock value, like yeah, the only way, like that's awesome yeah, and the only way I could liken. It is when alanis morissette came out, yeah, and you heard you out of nowhere and you were like what the is that?
Speaker 3:you either loved it or you hated yeah, and they're.
Speaker 1:They're gonna be people who do not like mary cutter uh, what is she?
Speaker 3:is she traditional?
Speaker 2:no, no, she is backwoods country she is so kentucky, so authentic she. She's been here a few years doing it all on her own Like really impressive work ethic. And we got reached out by our manager to produce a couple things and man like John Rich is a big fan, it's because she's so different, but the music is. It's because she's so different, um, but the music is. It's aggressive and she's writing about things that are, I mean, about as true as you get yeah, whether it's big pharma or she just takes everything on, it is where she grew up and it is we.
Speaker 2:We tracked and it's heavy, it's cool, but it's so different and that's you know. You brought up a great point and I blame the industry from for this as much as anybody. But, like, the females aren't allowed to be polarizing and we all know from the success, like without being and everybody. You don't want to live in the gray area, you know you want. You want people to love you or hate you or figure it out right.
Speaker 3:Where's that trial? That's in a small town. Female that's Mary Cutter Good.
Speaker 2:And I'm telling you, it is.
Speaker 3:Your new job.
Speaker 4:Got to give me time. I just started. You know what's funny.
Speaker 2:She's got all these organically grown social media numbers, like you know over 200,000 on Instagram that she did all herself real numbers. She streams and it's like she's so different. And what I love the most is when labels say oh, you need something different, we need something different, and you bring them something different and they get scared and she's going to land in the right spot and she's going to hit because no one is doing it. Yeah, and she's going to land in the right spot and she's going to hit because no one is doing it. Yeah, and she's going to scare some people and that is beautiful.
Speaker 3:Is this an invitation to find her the right song?
Speaker 1:Oh, dude To write her the right song that's going to get in the room with her, because you need to see what she is.
Speaker 3:I'm ready for a female to make some noise. I'm ready for it.
Speaker 2:If we're going to have a female. I'll tell you this the first female I've seen in a really long time that I can envisioning actually opening up for us or someone like us on the road at eight o'clock that people are going to give a shit about and and have a show where it's like she's she's wild, she's like, and have a show where it's like she's wild, she's like, it's like. Alanis Kurt nailed it. It's like 1995, that's her now for country music. I'm real excited about it. People are going to love it or they're going to hate it, but that's what we're trying to do. I mean doing the regular stuff that's going to land in the middle. That's the problem with our.
Speaker 4:we have a lot of great female artists. Yeah, the ones that are out are doing really well. They're great, the ones that are out.
Speaker 2:I'm not just saying, I'm just saying, but what I was going to say was they aren't allowed, you know, to be polarizing. It's as much as the industry's fault as anybody, way too safe.
Speaker 1:I think it's D all of the above. You're right, because the labels do say we need something different. Then they're like hold on we need something for radio.
Speaker 2:Too different.
Speaker 1:That's too different. But I do think a lot of female artists can fall into a trap of trying to please people and saying, yeah, you're right. I want to do something for the radio as opposed to saying no, this is me, this is the ground I'm standing on.
Speaker 3:You either like it or you don't, I'm a cutter, I want to be a cutter.
Speaker 4:I wonder, is there? I don't know. I don't know if anybody has the numbers on this, but as far as you know, guys in town chasing deals and girls in town chasing deals is it equal, or do the guys dominate anyway? And if so, mathematically they would win. You know what I mean automatically interesting, they would win.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean. Just, it's a good point. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I'd love to know that number. I would love to know the percentages of of guys and gals that are out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, trying to do it, even on social, because you already know how hard it is, as a guy, to get on radio and if you did the, the math and and you're with your parents and everything they said, well, hon, only eight% of females actually succeed on radio. That's such a low number as opposed to you know, if your guy said well, 90, 92% succeed.
Speaker 3:If you start ABing females to males in country music and if you were to AB their voices you played this female and you played this male they're going to be able to tell you who the male is right off the bat on a huge percentage of them, as opposed to the female side they've got. I don't know who that is. I think we've done.
Speaker 2:I think we've done a good job as an industry of completely watering down the male market. It's right now. There's some guys that are good and there's some new guys that are like I'm the same way, like who is that I?
Speaker 3:know another guy with a baseball on both sides, another Guilty on both sides, another Dylan, another.
Speaker 2:Brett another whatever.
Speaker 3:Who's that dude? That sounds exactly Seriously, we got 50 Dylans Bretts we got. I know who's the guy that sounds like Morgan Wallen. What's his name? Tucker Wetmore. He sounds exactly like Morgan to me.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I have an issue with that. I'm happy for him. Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 3:I don't know him.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you. It sounds just like Morgan it does To me it's hard to tell them apart.
Speaker 4:It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3:I mean really.
Speaker 4:Morgan's huge and if you're another label we say we want one of those. He won't be Morgan, but if he's anywhere close they make millions of dollars.
Speaker 3:That happened in the 90s too, but at least they all sounded a little different. I mean, tracy Bird and Tracy Lawrence didn't sound exactly the same and needed a Clint Black. He didn't sound like Garth, but Tucker Whitmore sounds exactly like him. It is Well. You know what, though I mean you think about this.
Speaker 1:This happened 10 years ago. Was it 10? Maybe not even 10.
Speaker 3:Dan and.
Speaker 1:Shay came out and everybody said it sounds just like Rascal Flatts. It sounds just like Rascal Flatts, but they had a pretty good career. They certainly did, and actually those guys are great. You know, I'm going to come back to this.
Speaker 4:Did you say, they had a pretty good career.
Speaker 1:No, I said they're having a pretty good career.
Speaker 4:I'm like I think they're doing pretty dang good.
Speaker 2:I have a mission at this table for the four of us. What We'll produce it and we'll write it. I'm telling you right now male duo I'm looking for a duo quality Brooks and Dunn type songs. It is right there. The duo category in this market is sitting right there. But none of the duos want to be country.
Speaker 1:I've got a duo.
Speaker 2:They want to be pop.
Speaker 5:You is sitting right there, but none of the duos want to be, country I've got a duo. They want to be pop. You do TK low, tk low, tk low, tk low, tk low.
Speaker 1:TK low, tk low or TK low TK low.
Speaker 4:I don't know how many years we can make it on the road, though Speak for yourself. I mean, I'm saying but, you're right, I'm serious.
Speaker 2:The duo category is open. I'm with you on that. To all the duos out there custom good songs. Do yourselves a favor. It's right there. Brooks and Dunn has been out a hundred years and they're back at the award shows Preach, tully, preach.
Speaker 3:They're touring. I mean, I'm serious though, preach.
Speaker 2:It's right there for one second. Think about do you want to be a struggling male artist playing 10 fairs a year, or do you want to be a duo, get a couple hits, award shows, opening acts? It's right there. It's right there. Danny Shea is great.
Speaker 3:But yeah, florida Georgia Line broke up, so it's right there, it's right there. I tell you what those guys had it, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:FGL. They were. I tell you what, when they were opening for us in the middle slot, maybe their second year out, maybe crews had already been big. They were on their third, fourth big hit. Had they stayed the course and kept putting out good songs, they would have been that brooks and dunn type dominating figure every year. The award shows, all the tv stuff, but man, they just can't hold together. So the it's, it's sitting right there for a duo.
Speaker 3:What split them up? Let's go. Let's go there for a second let's go there for a second, okay you know what did split them up? Well, everybody split a lot of people up. I know it does, it did yeah, well, I you know it's political views, of course.
Speaker 1:It splits families up. It really does, which is unbelievable, but yeah.
Speaker 3:It's not going to split us up.
Speaker 1:No, it just makes us stronger. I guess Not until you kick us out.
Speaker 2:Caleb can be a little liberal thinking sometimes I love you throwing the duo thing out there, though.
Speaker 3:I love you throwing that out there because I think it's wide open. I totally agree 100% with you on that. I've been looking for it.
Speaker 2:We've got a couple that we're looking at and doing. But it's like, man, if you get them to buy into the big picture, all the male acts, what is it about being a solo male act struggling to fight through all the other new male acts? That's exciting. That would I'd be like if I was a great singer or great guitar player. I'd be like give me a duo, let's go, let's have success. It's this market, this industry loves duos. They love it If you get the right one.
Speaker 2:Dan and Shay could be bigger, not the right one. Dan and Shay could be bigger, not the right songs. You know, if you're in the country market, do some country songs. If you want to be pop, go pop. But now you're in the gray area.
Speaker 4:I want to clear something just because I just met those guys. They're sweet and they're amazing, but have I missed something? Don't they having hit after hit after hit they're huge.
Speaker 2:How are they not doing well? No, they're doing well. They're doing well, but it doesn't sound like they're doing well. They're huge. No, it could be bigger. Though the NHK could be bigger. Anybody could be bigger. No, no, I'm serious.
Speaker 1:They're huge, but when they put the keel out, that was a big, huge, massive, really good song, massive. Haven't had that kind of thing. Since, though, I I'm not somebody to ask first of all. We know those guys, we love them, yeah I don't listen to country radio, so I couldn't even tell you what their last song was. Well, yeah, anybody here? No, yeah, but I don't listen to the radio.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't listen to the last thing I remember the justin bieber thing, but you're answering.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're kind of answering my question for me, though. You knew tequila and I, and to their credit, they came out and put a really good song out a couple of years ago and I can't remember the name of it, I'm sorry, it was a real country sounding thing and I was like they're doing it.
Speaker 3:This is great poppier sounding and I tell you what they're good dude, those guys are talented, yeah, yeah like dude can sing the phone book and it's. I played golf with shea a couple of times and I. There may be a little bit of a political divide between those two as well yeah, I'm not gonna break that news, but I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 1:I don't know breaking news. But there.
Speaker 3:there could be a little bit of a political divide between those two, but I'm not sure about that. We haven't heard anything from them in a while, hey look, I like how we're poking the bear.
Speaker 1:Let's poke it, man, give me this microphone man.
Speaker 2:I'm doing it, I love it. We've got Brothers Osborne. What about them? Oh, in the duo category, in the duo category and super talented, I actually like those guys.
Speaker 1:You know that dude's a great guitar player yeah, he's super good guitar player.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. They're great. I mean it's a tough, but I'm not sure if they're last song. He oh yes it's.
Speaker 3:They put out good stuff, but it's a hey, the duo category is there for the take. It's there. That's the whole moral of this conversation.
Speaker 2:It's there for the taking begging for it.
Speaker 3:Tk Lowe, that's my yeah, yeah, tully and Kurt are going to be producing like five new duo acts in the next year hey, on an off year you could at least get nominated for duo of the year but that's the whole point that's his point we did when I was in the duo back in the day, the Bellamy brothers are still getting nominated.
Speaker 1:The Worm brothers are still getting nominated. I've got shirts.
Speaker 3:I've got t-shirts from the mid-90s, when I was with Kelly Shiver, yeah, and we were in the duo category. We got nominated every year, yeah.
Speaker 2:We knew we weren't going to win, but we were all that was there. Say these young artists. I'm gonna harp on it again, like repeating myself there's a false sense of stardom from streaming, like just because you have a song, don't you? Wouldn't you rather have 20 songs that go, you know, top 10 than one? Like, really think about it, like, if you know, sometimes you know it's being a duo and have success tour, write songs, write songs make records I want to go back to Mary Cutter.
Speaker 4:One part of it, but on that.
Speaker 2:Very excited about Mary Cutter.
Speaker 4:But on that, like I wonder if you I mean if you're a solo act and you're out there hitting it you do believe that you're going to make it. And if you get into a duo, generally you got to be thinking they're thinking, okay, who's going to be Ronnie Dunn, who's going to be Kix, like if it's Ronnie he said oh, I can't wait to hear it, and they said oh, dang it.
Speaker 3:this is a Kix song, Whoever the singer is, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:But it doesn't matter, Like if they both think they are that person, but one of them's not. I don't know.
Speaker 3:There's a very established template you got a.
Speaker 4:I'm just saying two guys who, think they're the singer.
Speaker 2:That's what makes it hard for them to combine. It could be a problem.
Speaker 3:It just takes one smart one to know he's not You're exactly right, that's the other problem If you ask because Kix loved to sing.
Speaker 2:I actually like Kix when he's the stuff he does.
Speaker 3:Kix has got his own thing. That's badass, he's smart.
Speaker 2:Man. He sang a few songs through the career Hell of songs through the career hell of a songwriter too. And he's you know what he loves right now loves looking back at his body of work and sitting on his mountain of money at his vineyard, and rightly so. Like those guys, but they're great songs. When you got ronnie done, we should get kicks on.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure, kicks would be great, yeah, we should get kicks on great, I just, I just feel like it's right there. Like I, I love duos. If you can get a duo that wants to do some real songs, man, it's easy. There you go.
Speaker 1:We're calling out. Come on Calling out. Duos Email us at try that Okay.
Speaker 4:Speaking of Dan and Shay, this is kind of a good thing to maybe think about it, because just last week we're at the Hall of Fame in New York and Ashley Gourley, who we just had on like two or three weeks ago on the show, he's at 83 number ones now 87 now probably, so maybe, but yeah, it's been a little bit.
Speaker 4:But anyway, he was inducted to the Songwriters Hall of Fame not the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame, but all genres Songwriters Hall of Fame and it was really cool. And dan and shay actually went with him and sang pieces of like five of his hits and even though they have hits of their own that he's written, they, they, they didn't select those, they selected other songs that weren't theirs. I thought was really cool, wow and uh, selfless, and and one of them was all american girl, which was really fun for me to hear dan and shay sing a piece of all american girls, but that was really fun because you're in New York and it was cool.
Speaker 4:But another thing about that Ashley did great, his speech was great, but his daughter, sadie, sang You're Gonna Miss this and brought the house down. Oh my Lord, she's a charismatic, positive, beautiful girl. She doesn't even want to be a singer, she just did it and she went out there and gave it everything and everybody was in tears and everything, but I was noticing.
Speaker 4:And then the Beach Boys had a tribute Mike I forget his last name. He was 83 years old and it's been way too long before him getting there. He got up there and sang those songs. I mean, he sang like three or four songs in his 80s and it was kind of hitting it. And he was almost like every now and then and part of it was maybe because he was older but when he was singing those lyrics sometimes and it was a really good line or melody line he was almost pointing and a little angry, almost kind of like yeah that's how you do it.
Speaker 4:It's freaking good. I should have been up here a long time ago.
Speaker 1:No kidding.
Speaker 4:But the thing that stuck out the most was every artist you know, of all genre, everyone, everyone mentioned God. 75% of them talked about Jesus. It was interesting because you're in New York and I figured we'd hear you know a lot of liberal things and hey, let's get this current administration out of there and let's come together and all that stuff. But it wasn't. You might as well have been in Nashville. It was very interesting. Did you see any rainbow flags while you were there? No, I didn't see anything.
Speaker 3:No, we were only there for a few hours.
Speaker 1:How about Mexican flags.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:Any Kings protests? No no.
Speaker 3:Kings, no, no, kings. No, I didn't see any of that. I figured you would.
Speaker 1:In New York City. I figured you would Well Any deportations.
Speaker 4:Yeah, any ice house raids? No, no, all of our group made it back.
Speaker 3:Okay, great, they love the music.
Speaker 2:Ice agents love our music. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5:I do want to clarify one thing.
Speaker 2:Clarify Just because I do. I really love Dan and Shay Like I want to make sure that's on there.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding?
Speaker 2:me.
Speaker 3:We do know those guys. Shay Moanny is one of the best singers that's ever come along.
Speaker 2:They're so good. All I was saying to clarify and that's why I want to take a second to clarify my point was they're so good and what I love about great country songs is they're around for a long time. Pop stuff it comes and goes, but those guys are capable of having recurrence that could be around.
Speaker 1:I believe in them and they have some of those. Well, it's a good point actually, because I never thought about it like that Pop artists, not even talking about them, it is kind of just like one after the other and it goes away.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but country acts build careers and if you stay in the genre, you think we'll ever get back to that, the way it used to be done, like mcgraw, garth brooks, um, rascal flats, jason aldean uh, those you think. You think those days are gone, the way they used to build careers well, I'll say this with songs, if.
Speaker 1:The longevity of songs, if our career as songwriters is what helps the artist, because all of those acts took other songs that they didn't write to build their careers and always made sure they cut the best songs. Now a lot of them ended up writing some of them as they went along, but they built their careers off of other people's songs.
Speaker 2:It's going to be hard to do it. Honestly, it's weird to say this, but I feel like the next batch of big standards like that might come from the guys we already have the Luke, the Aldine, chesney, the Tim. Sometimes there's a better chance of them having a big recurrent standard than the new acts, because the new acts are programmed to release, release, release, release, release, and so it almost like it doesn't have time to sink in. There's no anticipation for an album. They drop 20, 30 songs.
Speaker 2:It's once you put a song out these days it's it's instantly old. What's next? Yeah, so the way people listen to music. I don't know if the young people will even think, even think or music hits in the same way, cause they, you know, like the fan base for the Jason's and the and the Keith Urban's and those guys they still are programmed to like, listen to our project and maybe there's a better I mean still a fighting shot for some big songs. Morgan Morgan's got huge songs, maybe. Maybe last night is one of those that you know it's hard to tell he's put so many out Like sand in my boots.
Speaker 4:You know, I would say, even if you put out 30, it's no different than like if we went to. If I had eight songs that are the best in my career and nobody's ever recorded them and somebody says we're going to cut this one, come play all of them. For me I wouldn't play all of them because, let's say they're all equally as good. You're going to pick the one or two of the best of those best, right, and then the other ones aren't going to get recorded. If you listen to 30 great songs that Morgan pulls out, you're going to remember five of them right off the top of your head and say, oh my God, that one kills this other one. You know what I mean's. They're not all going to be out on the radio and they didn't record them. To all be out on the radio and say this is the greatest thing ever. It was just a moment.
Speaker 3:Well, morgan's breaking new ground yeah, he could sing the phone. Morgan. Morgan is, it's the rarest of air.
Speaker 2:It's hard to get it like where everything is just on fire I feel kind of guilty, I feel kind of bad right now. No, you don't A little bit what caused?
Speaker 3:that, what's changed? Well, I'm just being selfish.
Speaker 4:Are you feeling?
Speaker 2:okay.
Speaker 3:Selfish Neil right here. Interesting, I mean here.
Speaker 2:And welcome to the wellness pack oh.
Speaker 3:I need some wellness of drugs. Listen, no, it's like when the riots started back up in LA. I'm like. I'm like our song kind of started, people started posting.
Speaker 2:I heard a lot. I mean I'm going.
Speaker 3:I'm going, yes, and all I'm thinking about is like, yeah, y'all keep burning your shit down out there and our song's gonna get a resurgence and it has. And then people are posting it again and they're playing it again and I'm going wait a minute, this is not good. It's all for the wrong reason. I felt kind of bad for it, but I didn't. And then I go wait a minute, they're going to keep writing this. My property value in Tennessee just went up and I'm like, and I and I, and selfishly, I'm thinking of all these bad things and I'm like, wait a minute, this is bad man, we got to get LA back in order. And am I wrong for feeling that way?
Speaker 4:I want to ask you three, if I'm wrong, for feeling that way, I'll say this quickly as a songwriter, you feel totally right and justified because you realize somehow we're part of a timeless song. Not just because of the song because it's the nature of people and what's happening right now. When we're 80, it's going to be the same thing, we're 90, same thing when. When we're 80, it's gonna be the same thing, we're 90, same thing when we're dead. And buried.
Speaker 4:It's gonna be the same thing, we're not all collectively come together until it's till it's over, when it's when some one world leader comes to and everybody just flocks him like, oh my god, we love everything you say. It's done, that's you're right, though.
Speaker 1:I heard a lot of our song. Yeah, I heard tommy laron on fox. She was saying and talking about our song too, and she's going through the la right just comes back up.
Speaker 3:Every time something flames up out west or in a blue town somewhere, our song flames back up we are in a really crazy time.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, I thought it was going to calm down and it did feel like it calmed down for a minute, the political madness, and then you know, I just don't understand what. Ok, so people want violent criminals here illegally and they're that's OK, come on, let's, let's. You know, deporting the criminals is what should be going on. It's what, that's what's it's what. Obama talked about doing.
Speaker 1:He was strong on the border. It's silly.
Speaker 2:I mean, did you guys see the Schwarzenegger thing?
Speaker 3:Yes, I heard about it. I heard about it.
Speaker 1:Explain what happened.
Speaker 2:All I caught was a clip of him saying basically what the illegals here are doing. Was this him on the View. Yes, Okay. It was great and he was very adamant.
Speaker 3:Some people.
Speaker 2:They called you racist. They did Well. He was great. I mean, he was it was that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:It's the truth. I mean, he's just like come here the right way, he came.
Speaker 2:he's an immigrant. He said how proud he was. Yes, but he goes. You got to do it the right way. You got to do it legally.
Speaker 3:They're waving Mexican flags in America it's like, well, go back to Mexico. If you're waving the flag like that, go back.
Speaker 2:That right there tells you they're being paid to wave those flags like that and cause a ruckus like they're doing ruckus.
Speaker 4:What a good word, yeah. When the american flag's being, you know, burned on the ground, then you have a guy on top of the card and two or three guys really waving the mexican flag. It just uh like what are what are y'all doing?
Speaker 3:and everybody's standing around cheering you know what's wrong with you.
Speaker 4:They don't know just if yeah, if it's that great, just go back, that'd be great.
Speaker 2:Well, luckily Newsom will write the ship out there.
Speaker 4:His hair is going to change everything.
Speaker 2:Hey, that's what I want to have. On Newsom, I would love because he's a smart dude, well-spoken, he casts spells with the way he talks, they wouldn't let him in the gate.
Speaker 4:Well, more importantly, neil wouldn't let him in the studio. I would love, and that's true.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't give it. He's got the tongue of a serpent man.
Speaker 6:He does.
Speaker 3:No, that dude is such a demon. I would not. I wouldn't let him come in my front door. I'd have to sprinkle water or whatever and put bottles Holy water. Oh my God, the power of Christ compels you. He's a freaking demon. I would not let him in here. He is insane, he's possessed. Actually, I'm with you, he is insane, he's possessed because he'll say anything to try to save his own hide. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6:But anyway.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, look at their price of gas and look at ours.
Speaker 4:Maybe he traded his soul when he was 13 years old for that head of hair. I mean, the hair is. He's a good looking dude, but that's a demon right there.
Speaker 5:Well, the hair is good Because he's so attractive.
Speaker 6:He's a demon.
Speaker 3:I'd like that hair he made a deal with the devil.
Speaker 2:He looks pretty. I can't believe you said you thought a guy was attractive. No, I'm pulling the line for you now.
Speaker 1:Well you can appreciate it.
Speaker 4:This is a good time for a break.
Speaker 3:I don't want to slap him on the ass. He's an attractive fellow.
Speaker 4:What if you made a good shot? It's athletic, it's what athletes do.
Speaker 3:That's the only compliment I can give that numbnut, all right.
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Speaker 1:Join our original glory family and help ignite that Original Glory spirit. All right, we are back, you know, coming back from the break too. We want to make sure we mention eSpaces. They've been awesome to us and we've got some surprises in store that include eSpaces. So we want to make sure we're thanking them as well. You had something on your phone that you know during the break. I swear we need to record this stuff because it's good content. You just showed me some kind of what was it what the Patriots did? What was that?
Speaker 3:Oh God.
Speaker 1:Did you already lose it?
Speaker 3:No, I can pull it up real quick for you. No, it's like it just says all it says. It's at Gillette Stadium. Yeah, where'd that play In the Pride Month thing? They had this big old, huge flag. It went away, but we saw the big Whatever. Yeah, what happened? Yeah, it's that the big flag. Let me see the big rainbow flag. Oh For all. I got one word for you, it just says, another one bites the dust, and I couldn't think of a better line for that.
Speaker 1:Can I one-up you Please?
Speaker 2:This is not going to be good. No, it's not going to be good. This is our hometown, tennessee.
Speaker 3:And it's freaking football.
Speaker 1:So the Titans. We just had Father's Day, I don't know when this episode comes out. But we just had Father's Day. I don't know when this episode comes out, but we just had Father's Day. By the way, happy Father's.
Speaker 4:Day to all of you. Yes, happy Father's Day.
Speaker 1:But the Titans posted this Happy Father's Day to all the Titan moms and fatherly figures.
Speaker 2:What does that even mean?
Speaker 3:What is that?
Speaker 2:Confused.
Speaker 1:I assume they mean that there might be women that are the father of their, because if you have two women or they could be talking about step-bats.
Speaker 3:Have they not learned yet, All of them? What the hell are they doing with their? They got to sell tickets to football games. Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:What are you doing? My mind's not working today. I still don't understand what it means.
Speaker 1:Well, whatever it meant, they deleted it. We play football Afterwards.
Speaker 4:Oh, they got some flags on it.
Speaker 3:I want men to play football. Manly men, you can see the bulges in the tight pants.
Speaker 1:Men, okay you crossed the line. Okay, you crossed the line. No, I want men to play football.
Speaker 2:I'm concerned.
Speaker 3:I'm concerned about that statement, I'm so sick and tired, but when you see the bulge you know it's not a woman. Okay, you know what I'm saying. I'm just saying guys, Come on. But talking about the Titans, though it's for the girls- Talking about the Titans, though.
Speaker 4:I just saw this today. Y'all probably saw it too. I think Allie actually sent it on the thread.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4:Isn't she supposed to be on her honeymoon?
Speaker 6:Well, it was day two, so you know.
Speaker 4:I mean you've got to eat rest and text and stuff you know. But it said it was like this breaking thing. It says Iran fired more than 35 ballistic missiles into Israel tonight. Nearly all were intercepted. No injuries were reported. Iran got Will Levis behind center.
Speaker 1:it looks like that's amazing, so like.
Speaker 4:Dylan Holt put that out. It was hilarious. That's actually really funny and I thought of Tully immediately, because he's such a huge fan of Will Levis.
Speaker 3:Yes, Y'all are going to wind up being best friends. You know that right.
Speaker 2:I actually really want Will Evans to come on. Hey, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:You've already trashed him enough. He can't, he can't hey.
Speaker 1:But there's no shame.
Speaker 2:You play in the NFL. You're pretty badass anyway.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:You made it.
Speaker 1:They're easy targets will never be to their. I mean, I'm with you. It's like playing quarterback in the nfl might be the hardest things. It is. It really is because there's, and maybe good ones.
Speaker 3:He had a great career at kentucky and dude I mean you can't argue, you play. He could leave here he go to tampa bay and probably rock their world down there I.
Speaker 2:I'm serious, though. Do you guys think honestly like, for all my will, I love you dude. You know that? No, he does not. I don't think he does not, you do not.
Speaker 4:Here's what I'll say, though you know that.
Speaker 1:Will you know that we're bros Will.
Speaker 2:Obviously. You know that he's a great athlete. There has got to be make. Can't you make him a tight endish type player? I don't know, man, you don't even know.
Speaker 1:You're laughing at me like I'm crazy you're making the tight end seem like it's not a skilled position.
Speaker 4:Well, no, but like well, no, but he would he would know the offense like he would know the offense very well.
Speaker 2:No, seriously, what I'm saying is Taysom Hill type guy.
Speaker 1:A gimmick, gimmick guy.
Speaker 2:Trick play. If he comes in, is he going to throw the ball or is he going to catch it? You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean, he's such a good athlete, why don't you just go ahead and say he doesn't have the brains to be a quarterback? Ooh Gosh, wow.
Speaker 5:He's a great athlete.
Speaker 3:He can spin it like nobody else.
Speaker 1:He's got a cannon. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3:You know, I just say that.
Speaker 2:Kurt said it best Playing QB NFL is it's tough.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of pressure and you don't have to be super smart yeah. I mean maybe it's the system. If Peyton Manning can do it, anybody can.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God.
Speaker 3:It's the system. If Peyton Manning can do it, anybody can. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about?
Speaker 4:Overrated QB. By the way, you've got to be kidding. Come on, we've got to have Peyton Manning. We just ignited Caleb, he's freaking amazing, overrated the. Ut. He is not overrated.
Speaker 2:This quarter of the QB radius was quarter.
Speaker 4:Dude, he is not an overrated quarterback, overrated, he is born to be a quarterback.
Speaker 6:His whole family, eli's better.
Speaker 4:I mean my God. It's because he has the DNA of their dad.
Speaker 5:Eli's better.
Speaker 4:You guys are idiots, all of those people are more successful than any of us All of them and we couldn't even make it through practice at NFL you would die in warm-ups.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to play, I hope, the on your face right now You're very upset, because when you start offending the UT nation, the ball nation it's not just that he's one of the most known public figures because of him being quarterback.
Speaker 4:This is why we're going to be rich.
Speaker 5:Right here, oh my God, right here. I always felt bad for him.
Speaker 1:You just can't insult people for the sake of insulting them. He was a great college QB, see.
Speaker 4:Now, he didn't win the national championship.
Speaker 2:He did not. Martin did win behind. They won it right after he left A Peyton Manning spiral.
Speaker 1:But it was the beginning. Peyton Manning spiral.
Speaker 4:Hey, but that dude, he was smart and he's a winner.
Speaker 3:No he is no two ways about it. Actually, I really like Peyton.
Speaker 2:He's a great band director too scared feet in the pocket. Oh, he was petrified in the pocket.
Speaker 4:No, he's excited, he's just happy feet. That's all Overrated.
Speaker 3:We teed that up. It was perfect.
Speaker 2:He had the best what?
Speaker 3:Peyton Manning's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 2:Overrated.
Speaker 3:I'm not even going to listen to that, but he is. He's one of the greatest.
Speaker 4:You don't luck your way into that much success.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying no, I'm saying he's great, but he's not as great as you think. It's not like songwriting Tully.
Speaker 4:We don't luck our way into that much success. There's people wanting to kill you and stuff You're very teed up right now. Well, you just say things that aren't true. I know it's true.
Speaker 3:He's a great.
Speaker 2:QB.
Speaker 3:He's just not as great as what you think he is. He is no, he is totally.
Speaker 2:I gotta disagree with you even though I'm a bama fan, peyton manning is he's he's, he'd be on the way everything down way low on the list of qbs. You're just a. You're a, you're a fan.
Speaker 4:You're just so in love with tom brady. You're in love with tom brady it's good. It's good but I'll say tom brady is tom brady.
Speaker 3:He's a goat, he's's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but there's other. Even you got Brady. I mean I take Elway, I take Dan Ray.
Speaker 3:You need to take some of this stuff in the wellness package here Now.
Speaker 4:Brady and Manning are super successful, but I will say after football, peyton nails TV commercials and spots much better than Brady will ever. With all of his training he's terrible.
Speaker 2:Well, you are really freaking terrible. He better than Brady will ever with all of his training. He's terrible. Well, you are really freaking terrible, he's terrible. The Hurts commercial.
Speaker 6:I'm not talking about commercials. The Hurts commercial?
Speaker 4:my God, there's nobody worse than that You've got to be kidding me. How is he on TV?
Speaker 3:I don't understand. He didn't outdo OJ, though, on the Hurts show.
Speaker 4:Oh man. We went to OJ. I mean, come on.
Speaker 3:But I mean. Peyton could not jump a row of seats like OJ did? Probably not.
Speaker 4:He couldn't do it? Probably not.
Speaker 5:No, he can't run, he can't run at all.
Speaker 4:But how many takes did that take even OJ? You know he can spin it, I'll give you that. And Peyton didn't go to jail for killing people.
Speaker 6:Look here I'm on your side, dude, I think.
Speaker 3:Tully's, just Tom Brady's the GOAT and we're going to give you that.
Speaker 2:Well, tom Brady's the GOAT, but there's other quarterbacks way above Peyton Manning who Go down Elway Favre.
Speaker 6:Elway I like those kind of.
Speaker 4:QBs Peyton Manning, spiral Joe Montana yeah okay but, let's say, would you put him in the top 10, and if so, absolutely. Probably the top 10, and if so absolutely probably top 10, but then if you're in the top 10 of anything, I I'm saying he's great, but but he's not like.
Speaker 2:You're one of the best of all time.
Speaker 4:A little bit did you win a super bowl.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he got one, right, he got one which.
Speaker 3:That's all you need to tell his point. That's all you need people.
Speaker 1:Thought he should have won more yeah I think that's all you said. I appreciate. I love n I love the. Now, with all that being said, Peyton, if you want to come on the podcast, we'd love to have you, peyton.
Speaker 3:you know I love you. Buddy K-Lo. That's up to you.
Speaker 2:K-Lo.
Speaker 3:Peyton you know I love you, man, k-lo, k-lo. But I don't know. This is a challenge.
Speaker 4:I've met him a couple times.
Speaker 3:He's very nice.
Speaker 1:He is he's fantastic, he's awesome.
Speaker 4:I got to see him do the nationwide commercials with Paisley and stuff and he'd come and hang with us for a long time we should have more quarterbacks on here.
Speaker 3:We've had Brett Favre. Yeah, we should have more quarterbacks on here that we love and he's like.
Speaker 2:Seriously, he's a great QB. I'm just saying he's overrated for not the greatest ever if we're trying to get him.
Speaker 4:You can't say let's take that clip out.
Speaker 3:You can make fun of his spiral all day long. But that spiral got to his receiver where it needed to be every single time for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:He's not, he's not even.
Speaker 4:I mean you're just lashing out because you're mad because you threw Dan and Shay under the bus. You need to give them the respect they deserve and you're mad about it.
Speaker 1:That's all. Oh my God, that's all I told you. It was a weird night.
Speaker 4:Wait until episode number two tonight. You're going to get freaking roasted.
Speaker 3:We should do more of these, just the four of us, man. This is fantastic.
Speaker 4:We fight, we argue we throw the football two right now Bring on the guests Before we leave.
Speaker 1:Let's get into some more controversy. We should pray oh God, really.
Speaker 4:Bring us together, as we were before we started this podcast.
Speaker 1:In the name of Jesus, amen, but listen, this is serious. There were some comments about our last episode. I think it probably came out. We kind of went off on the WNBA a little. Oh, did I take some?
Speaker 3:heat. What are you talking about? I'm not taking anything back.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. As a matter of fact, this is a double down. Have you seen? You guys follow Clay Travis. Yeah, clay Travis is awesome. Yeah, yeah, he has challenged Angel Reese to a one-on-one basketball game.
Speaker 3:I want to see that.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, he's going to 15. He's an idiot. $100,000. It's fantastic. Going to charity. Where's it going? Yeah, going to charity. He wants to raise money through pay-per-view.
Speaker 5:We should do that we should do more of that.
Speaker 1:What do you think? Angel Reese or Clay Travis? Angel Reese All day long. You think so. Yeah, she can't hit a jump shot.
Speaker 4:I've never seen Clay play he doesn't have the feet.
Speaker 3:He's been sitting behind a microphone too long. He's too stiff. He doesn't have time to get in shape for that.
Speaker 1:Before we go down that rabbit hole. I think that's all we got. Does anybody want to end on something?
Speaker 3:I love y'all.
Speaker 1:You can feel our energy, I think.
Speaker 4:It's could feel our energy. I think, yeah, it's, it's been a weird day it continued on yeah, yeah, you're tight man, you're tight. You're bringing your tightness to the podcast.
Speaker 3:That's really good no, I think it's cool, how, how we can. We can talk about everything that we're aware of in our world did we we're just songwriters yeah yeah and we're songwriters and musicians. I mean we're. We covered our opinions in politics. We covered our opinions in sports. We covered our opinions in sports, the music business, which we know a lot about. I can, we could go on and on. We could have episode after episode about the music and where it's going.
Speaker 2:So I think I think we're at a very I know we got to go very strange time in in the country music industry. Very strange, it couldn't be stranger to me. The disconnect between label, artist, fan base, all of it. You know it's very strange Very concerning the, you know I'm worried about it.
Speaker 5:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the labels are. You know they're making a lot of money on streaming. The money isn't the problem, it's the creative direction, I think, and the type of artist and how the artists are getting there. I don't know.
Speaker 1:If the labels are making money, they're not going to change it.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, and it's a business. So there you go.
Speaker 4:Well, and even from the writing standpoint, you're incredibly right about. And it's a business. So there you go. Well, and even from the from the writing standpoint, you're incredibly right about that, Cause it's it's different even for just a straight up full-time writer. Things have changed and now I'm having meetings with my publisher. I'm starting parts of songs and hooks and sending them to publishers. Oh my gosh, that that have a, a connect with an artist that I want to get to, that I can't get in the room with to see if they like the idea and have to co-write it with me.
Speaker 2:I haven't heard that and you're a damn legend. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:That's unbelievable and you're hoping to get a callback? Okay, this is right. You know what I mean 18 number ones, but you got to keep the lights on number ones, which is incredible.
Speaker 2:You're in the top, like, but you're also. You're an incredible songwriter, an incredible person, great in a room. It's like they should be begging to learn from you, and that that's where we're at, like the lack of respect, these young artists, and not all of them and not all young writers, but there is a lack of respect, um, for who's come before, yeah, and I. I just don't see that I'm, they don't care they don't take the time to learn and go back in time.
Speaker 2:It's true, and it's not just who paved the way. They don't care. It's not just being old and grumpy. I know I'm getting old and grumpy, but-.
Speaker 3:I'm old and grumpy and I'm happy about it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I don ignorance. You know that people just don't research people like if like we talked about it before.
Speaker 4:No, I know, but if I'm writing with two people, because generally I don't know who I'm writing with until that day. And I look and I see the names and nine times out of ten I don't recognize them. First thing, I don't. I don't think, oh crap, don't know him. I don't say that at all. Just look at it put in my computer, look them up and say, oh cool, they had a landy wilson hit. That's right. I'll try to write something for him. That's what I think. But nobody looks you up you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's just interesting. Most people don't you know they're the. They're the new sheriff in town.
Speaker 4:They don't care yeah, but you gotta, you gotta keep writing, you gotta keep you gotta keep.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pray for him hey but we've got some cool stuff coming.
Speaker 4:The mary cutter sounds great, check her out I can't wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you guys gonna. I can't wait you're.
Speaker 4:You guys are going to. I can't wait You're going to be a cutter.
Speaker 1:I'm a cutter. Yep, she's overrated.
Speaker 4:She's overrated.
Speaker 1:Hey, like Neil said, we kind of, we kind of Boy really.
Speaker 4:Caleb really has himself. I know it right, the Peyton Manning button.
Speaker 1:You did, I'm a cutter. I'm kidding put overrated or not overrated? You're talking about us, no, peyton Manning.
Speaker 4:We know we're overrated. We know we're well overrated. Don't break us down as individuals. We can't handle it.
Speaker 1:Don't give him a window for that. Come on. But yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, make sure you comment. Give us five stars, right, we deserve it, we do. Yeah, I don't know if we actually do or not Love you Dan and Shay.
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Speaker 4:You too fondue, so politically correct.
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