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The AI Revolution: Caution and Hope with Larry Ward :: Ep 65 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
The battle for AI's soul is happening now, and the stakes couldn't be higher. Larry Ward, a digital marketing pioneer with three decades of experience, pulls back the curtain on Silicon Valley's longstanding bias against conservative voices and the existential threat posed by unregulated artificial intelligence.
Ward's journey began in the mid-90s with email marketing before he stumbled into political digital campaigns. As early as 2004, he discovered Google was rejecting conservative advertisements while accepting identical Democrat ones—evidence of tech bias long before it became widely acknowledged. His confrontation with Facebook over censorship led to an astonishing bribe attempt: $50,000 to retract his claims that the platform had silenced military veterans.
But the conversation takes a more profound turn when examining AI's future trajectory. Ward warns that we're building AI to be served rather than creating AI that serves humanity. He shares chilling quotes from World Economic Forum leaders who envision a world where "you will own nothing and like it" and claim "80% of humanity will become the useless class"—a dystopian vision enabled by unchecked AI development.
The most illuminating segment explores how AI systems are already manipulating users through engagement algorithms designed to create dependency. One particularly disturbing example involves an AI convincing a mentally stable individual they were living in a Matrix-like simulation with special powers, ultimately encouraging dangerous behavior.
Despite these sobering realities, Ward offers hope through his work developing AI built on biblical principles. He passionately argues that embedding timeless ethical frameworks into AI systems is essential for technology that respects human dignity, creativity, and freedom. His organization is creating certification standards to distinguish AI that serves humanity from systems designed to exploit and control.
Whether you're a tech enthusiast worried about our digital future or simply concerned about truth in an age of manipulation, this conversation provides crucial insights into how we can still shape AI to benefit rather than diminish human flourishing—if we act now before the window of opportunity closes forever.
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Right now there's a big fight on copyright and I know you guys really follow that very closely because music copyrights. Ai is able to create music and they're creating it from existing music that was copyrighted and they're not paying for that use or that training. Yeah, it has to learn from something it has to learn from something the PBS viewers are the most vile people on the entire planet. Because you think you're watching pbs? I mean, it is literally, you know, angry, white, female liberals it ain't just yeah, the office.
Speaker 4:Educate you, because you had to educate us. Educate us what? What are the awfuls?
Speaker 1:they are the angry white female liberals. They they're coming down the street, the gun control protesters two days after Newtown.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Screaming shame the NRA. And I hear them and you know I got my own ideas, so I get a little angry and they're coming through and I see it's like 200. I'm like, oh, here we go, we're going to politicize these 20 deaths and these kids and you know, just awful tragedy. So I lifted up my third story window, a little bit like a lunatic, stuck my arms out and screamed arm the teachers as they're walking by and as I'm screaming, arm the teachers, arm the principals, defend our kids. I notice that there's about 40 cameras pointed up at me.
Speaker 4:Oh, so I'm like did you have your shirt on or off?
Speaker 6:the try that in a small town podcast begins now all right, y'all welcome back.
Speaker 2:This is the try that in a small town podcast. Do not adjust your iphones, ipads, macbook pros, tvs, whatever you got.
Speaker 5:We're in a new studio these are the, this is the patriot mobile studios, very, very relaxing and can we say where we're at?
Speaker 6:the actual building yeah.
Speaker 5:I mean, I guess it's great this feels good, it looks good they've got buildings all over Nashville and it's just stylish as all get out, especially when you paint the walls. It's got the new car smell and they don't fire you for doing it hey, what so?
Speaker 2:e-space is just so everybody. Everybody knows it's a professional building. You can go, you run out of space right to do your work or whatever. Mostly businessmen, not our types, but they do have podcast studios.
Speaker 5:We're businessmen. Wait a minute. They got a kitchen to die for, yes, and with multiple refrigerators. Snack drawers.
Speaker 4:You got coffee, you got cappuccino, actually, or espresso.
Speaker 5:They don't give that coffee away.
Speaker 4:But look at this room it's fantastic.
Speaker 2:There's some cool stuff in the room.
Speaker 5:Can we do a pan of it a little bit? What's going to?
Speaker 2:be the first thing they notice that god awful orange jersey. Well now overrated jersey.
Speaker 4:Hey, overrated jersey. Hey, interesting though it's beautiful. I found that Absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 5:The Peyton Manning subject Was kind of split down the middle. Here we go.
Speaker 2:You think it was split down the middle. Some people said he's definitely overrated.
Speaker 3:Well, I think, I think what they you mean the comments. Yeah like he's a great quarterback, but he's definitely not.
Speaker 5:I can't even believe we're still talking about this.
Speaker 3:Definitely not five. I'm just saying I think I touched on a hot topic.
Speaker 4:Oh, it was a hot topic the reason it was a hot topic is because we weren't even talking about Peyton Manning at all and you just randomly said, yeah well, peyton Manning's overrated. We're like, where did that come from? And that's why it sparked a little debate.
Speaker 5:No, I love it. I love how UT fans man, as soon as you say something controversial like that about Manning being overrated, I mean it strikes a nerve.
Speaker 2:Are you comfortable here, man? Look at you, you got your leg up. This new studio's got me chilling man. Oh man, You're looking good I ain't kidding, you're looking good.
Speaker 5:I ain't kidding, I'm used to holding microphones, though, you know how. Well we got to give credit? Do I believe we got to give?
Speaker 1:credit to.
Speaker 5:Neil, I love holding my mic.
Speaker 4:For painting the studio he painted it.
Speaker 5:Neil did this. Well, I didn't.
Speaker 2:Yes, excellent, that all happened because I had time. No, I had time. And what is this shade?
Speaker 5:It's called iron Iron, iron ore, iron ore, iron ore.
Speaker 2:It's beautiful.
Speaker 5:It's not black fox like my wife. It is iron ore.
Speaker 4:So your wife is a black fox? Is that like her nickname? No, she's white. She's white. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just curious.
Speaker 5:No, I didn't have to follow that. It's called iron ore and I had some time off one day. I had like three hours. I had like three hours and I and we were talking to the paint guy out here the painter, professional painter and he's like, well, maybe I can get to it on thursday or maybe monday, and I'm I turn around, I look at this room and I go I can do this in two days, easy, like yeah, you know six hours max yeah, I'm like I'm doing this and I told land I go.
Speaker 5:I said just tell him I'll do it, or tell him we don't need him because you know we're looking at what thousand fifteen hundred bucks to come in here and do this too much too much too much so I came in one day and I, freaking knocked it out, and then the next day I came in and put another coat on it, and here we are and all the stuff on the walls.
Speaker 2:I'd like to know the listeners should let us know what their favorite little uh easter egg or item is well, my new fate, my new favorite.
Speaker 5:I had some favorites. My new favorite is the, the jason aldean set list that tully brought in I didn't even see it I can see why that might be your favorite.
Speaker 4:It's incredible.
Speaker 5:No, no, no no I'm not saying because I got songs on it because I have a 13, I think it's a cool piece of art.
Speaker 4:It's great yeah excellent.
Speaker 5:I think it's a great piece of art and, uh, kurt brought some guitars in until he brought a bass in halo's got some stuff over here. The manning stuff I think we do have too much manning. Uh, the jersey's plenty that right there might can be replaced, but you know what's fine lana decided my wife decided to hang it there it looks good.
Speaker 2:I have to ask you, though, sorry, why is that thing not enough?
Speaker 4:I mean, it's just well, it's a good question. Yeah, it should be in a glass frame. No, respect little shadow box a little light shining up on the on the autograph. Uh, you're right, I failed to do that it's been in my. It's been in my closet hanging for several years and I hadn't done anything with it.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I moved a couple times. There was a transition, a life transition, that kind of prevented me from really digging in there and doing it right. We should talk about that someday, Well there's not enough time on this podcast, but we'll get to it. Anyway, as you can tell, we are excited to be in the studios excellent.
Speaker 3:Jim's got a little desk, yeah, yeah, I feel like it's too much, it is it is jim's area.
Speaker 6:Jim's area has definitely improved.
Speaker 4:It has improved. He looks good over there. We have a guest couch you never totally deserved.
Speaker 6:Totally deserved, that's right.
Speaker 2:You never know who's going to be on the guest or the extras couch.
Speaker 5:So so you guys are getting ready to go out on tour? Yeah, we are. I mean, it's getting ready to kick off. The new tour is getting ready to kick off, right, it's?
Speaker 2:coming. Uh, you know we've been doing some dates, but the the uh heavy lifting part of the tour is coming right yeah, I mean, is that all you have to say?
Speaker 5:that is, you're looking forward well I am.
Speaker 2:It's always telly would tell you the same thing. So we've been playing shows for a few months, but it's like a show here, oh, a show there, then you do. Maybe we have a week or two off, then you do another show. We got a one-off over here. I hate that.
Speaker 2:It's tough I like to play, show, show show you know, give us at least three shows in a row. Yeah, a couple days off, another three shows. You start to get in a group. I'm thinking on stage still. Yeah, like, yeah, you know like, oh, okay, this is coming up, oh I gotta remember this part yeah, back in the old days, we just, we just toured.
Speaker 3:Well, do you?
Speaker 5:do you two ever voice your opinions to j and tell him that we're pissed and we don't like the schedule? Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean he would tell you the same thing. He likes to be on the routine as well. Who's in charge? Well, you know the people that make the money. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's tough to get into a real, like you know, comfortable groove as a band. You know, and just you know, it's great. I mean, like I said, the old days we were just towards so it was like never stopped. And the last few years, you know, we do less shows and bigger shows and it's great, less shows and bigger shows and it's great. But you know, like kurt said you, we might start, we might play three shows and then in two weeks later play one festival or another three weeks off and then until you start actually touring. So looking forward to getting back and like starting to run some off, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:so yeah, it'd be great you know how rare it is.
Speaker 7:Great setlist is great, you know, so it'd be great you know how rare it is setlist is great.
Speaker 3:You know like the show's great old songs back in and you know it's. It's honestly, I have more fun now than we've ever had.
Speaker 5:I mean during the shows, different kinds of fun, but definitely it's because of this podcast.
Speaker 6:That's why you're having fun it is you look forward to coming home and joining me and calo yeah, and our two nights off, one of them being here and I'll tell you what it's actually.
Speaker 3:You know, thinking about that, you know it's actually time to to hit it hard touring. Come back and get our wednesdays going, get writing it's time.
Speaker 5:It's time we're coming up on that.
Speaker 3:It's time to kick that back in. Got a new office. Now Dust is settling on our craziness.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about tonight. Before we do that, can we talk about?
Speaker 4:one thing it's just because Thrasher had a birthday.
Speaker 2:It was a big one.
Speaker 4:It was a big one.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 5:And I noticed you didn't tell us that your birthday was upon us. Yeah, it was a big one.
Speaker 2:It was a big one, it was, and I know she didn't tell us that it was your birthday was upon us yeah, it was it was not one to advertise things like that, really yeah I didn't think.
Speaker 5:I didn't think it was that big a deal, did you? Do anything on your birthday, uh note um woke up, me and lana had breakfast with my mother. Nice, good for you. I spent the day watching golf and practicing my putting.
Speaker 2:So that's a good birthday.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and then I went to dinner with my two daughters. We went to dinner with my two daughters and their new husbands.
Speaker 4:I heard there was a little. Maybe I don't know. Maybe frustration might be the right word when you learn that you couldn't wear your hat.
Speaker 2:Was this a?
Speaker 5:dinner or something Wasn't it Perry's.
Speaker 4:Did y'all go to Perry's? No, I had a hat on, but wasn't there something in the front end?
Speaker 2:Was there a dress code? Did they not let you in what's going on they?
Speaker 4:really don't like that. They don't really like you to wear a baseball hat. They didn't tell old thrash to leave, that's not. They didn't say to leave, but I heard there was a little bit of a you know not confrontation but a little bit of a what's going on?
Speaker 5:no story. I don't. I don't know of a confrontation that went on. There was, do you know, black fox, oh that yeah when we left. When we left, we had the private room atperry's for my birthday. They did it, I didn't do it. Jane had money. But they did it and we had fun. Yeah, you know their. What do you call them? Appetizers? Their martinis.
Speaker 5:What were those martinis they had? Oh, the espresso martini, which is a very, very dangerous drink. Love those, they're excellent. Yeah, and they made good ones. And we had a couple. And Lana doesn't drink hardly at all. So you know I enjoyed my birthday but we were leaving. We got pictures in the lobby there when we were leaving and we had our waiter take pictures and there was a little toothpick dispenser there. You know the old kind that you roll the little side roller, you turn and a toothpick pops out.
Speaker 4:It's fairly sanitary.
Speaker 5:I apparently thought it was like one of those straw dispensers where you push down on the little. And I pushed down and they were closed. We were the last ones there. They closed and stopped serving at 9, and they were actually trying to get us out. I wanted a toothpick, so I pushed down on it and 14 million toothpicks Did you go like Rain man and go yeah, 237 toothpicks, they went all over the floor.
Speaker 5:Oh man, and being the state that I was in, I really didn't care and I just kind of looked at him and started to pick him up and our waiter Brock said no, I got that, you're fine, because we tipped him really good and he was okay with picking up the toothpicks, but anyway, I just pray he didn't put them back in the dispenser once they're on the floor.
Speaker 4:He did not.
Speaker 5:But I had a good time on my birthday, so thank you all for remembering
Speaker 3:that.
Speaker 4:I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:What did youall get me?
Speaker 3:It's on order. Yeah, it's coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got it coming. It'll be pulled up in your driveway, maybe next week it's on like way, way away Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the espresso martini. Oh, so good. We were in London for about a week and I think we had, I don't know, 35 or 40 of those man, they're good.
Speaker 4:They are really good. They'll keep you awake and it's just a way to start the thing going.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yes, Maybe we should start that here.
Speaker 2:That would be fantastic.
Speaker 5:Espresso martinis we can do it because they have espresso machine at East Spaces. I told you how badass the kitchen was here at East Spaces.
Speaker 1:I guarantee we can make great.
Speaker 2:Tell me, give me Atlanta Black Fox. You'd know what's in a spread from our TV.
Speaker 4:New nickname.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, we should find out a great yeah.
Speaker 2:somebody needs to get it going. Allie she'll do it.
Speaker 4:I'm taking a 30-day break. I'll have to wait. Hey guys, we got to talk about tonight we got to get this going breaks, I'll have to wait all right oh, come on hey guys, we gotta, we gotta talk about tonight, we gotta get this going, okay, uh.
Speaker 2:So some of you, like our fan base, our crowd, might not know this guy's name. His name is larry ward. He's gonna blow your mind, um, he's gonna blow our mind. Oh man, he's gonna talk about ai. He's gonna talk about, uh, his role in the start of when he was like what do you say? 30 years or something?
Speaker 2:like that he's been involved in it and how he first detected it, and he's going to go through and talk about you know how frightening it can be, how hopeful it can be, but uh, it's worth a listen. I like challenge everybody to listen because man, this guy, he's way above our intellect but he is going to seriously.
Speaker 5:That's a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, it's a low bar, to be fair.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, but in all that he's going to give us some hope a little bit on the AI thing, which scares a lot of people.
Speaker 2:It scares me.
Speaker 4:That they're raising money and getting the technology to do a biblically-based AI, which would be really cool. I didn't know that would be a possibility, so that's a really cool thing I think he's going to talk about.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah. Anyway, anybody got anything else before we set this thing up, tee it up for Larry man.
Speaker 4:I think we're about ready to bring him in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do it and make sure, before we get to Larry, you know you're on YouTube and Insta. Give us a follow, give us a like, give us a comment, download the episode. Always give us that. Five stars, right, absolutely.
Speaker 4:Even if you don't like it. Give us five stars and then rip us one.
Speaker 5:Yeah, absolutely. I live on the negative comments.
Speaker 2:I freaking love them, tell us your favorite new piece in the studio as well. Me right, and without further ado, let's get to Larry Ward.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:Here we go, Larry you might have figured this out, but I don't know what you're doing here. We are way over our head talking to you, Dude. We got no idea.
Speaker 4:We were researching today and a little bit this week and we realized that we've made a mistake.
Speaker 2:We try to get people to hear of our equal intellect and we've overstepped. That's nonsense.
Speaker 1:I'm sure.
Speaker 2:It's usually hard getting guests too but uh, no, this is great.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you guys having me and, and you know, obviously we're here to talk about ai and and all of those other kind of things um, what, what the world is going to look like in a couple of years and and, quite frankly, if we don't get a hold of this, it's going to be a completely different world, um, and so there's, there's know, I don't want to be a downer I'm hoping that we could talk about some of the good and bad and talk about you know how I got here into this AI space.
Speaker 2:Well, let's start. Let's actually start with that, because how long have you been doing it? Like 20 plus years.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, just about 30 years I've been in marketing advertising and in first 10 years we're in commercial advertising marketing. We found this thing called the World Wide Web in the mid-90s and also this other product called Electronic Mail Marketing. That was before it was nicknamed spam. And so we started doing email marketing for a lot of different clients banks and insurance companies and such and literally mid 90s to early 2000s, and almost all of our banking clients went out of business in 2007, because we were doing mortgage leads.
Speaker 1:And so you know it was it was. We were out of that business by that time, but I'm probably partially responsible for the financial collapse.
Speaker 4:Oh yikes.
Speaker 2:Were you in the movie.
Speaker 4:No no, no, what was that movie? Big Short? My mom listens to this Big. Short.
Speaker 6:It was a good movie. Big Short is great.
Speaker 1:But that was a fun time and so when we kind of saw the writing on the wall early about 2002, we're like we got to get out of this business because it's going in a bad direction. And I started looking for other work and we kind of stumbled upon politics. One of our clients was working with a guy running for office in the 4th District in New York and his campaign consultant happened to be Dick Morris, who was Clinton's chief of staff, who had just switched parties and started working with Republicans, and he said can you work? You know, can you do what you were doing for banking and insurance for politics? And I'm like, absolutely, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 2:Did you have an affiliation at that time either? Republican.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I grew up watching Family Ties and Alex P Keaton was my hero.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I mean, I just thought it was great. He wore a suit every day, he had Reagan slippers and I was all in, I was all in. So we took Alan's campaign and we started testing out Dick Morris' internet politics strategies with our databases and our technology and we wound up signing up probably 10, 20 campaigns in 2002.
Speaker 4:And our biggest success at that time was Mike.
Speaker 6:Huckabee and so so, ambassador Huckabee now, and a bass player, he is a bass player.
Speaker 5:Anybody can play bass.
Speaker 3:It's probably true actually.
Speaker 1:They'll let a secret out uh, thanks, neil, I love you but mike, mike uh won and and he won. Basically we sent out three emails and it was it was the most incredible campaigns we ever saw. I mean, we pushed it out. We got like 70 percent click rates. We had. We had people that were just like literally thanking us, sending us emails, thanking us or thanking uh, governor huckabee at the time for taking the time out to email them about the state and about the election. And of course, now you send that kind of email out and they say take me off your list, you spammer. So it was a different world.
Speaker 1:So we were very early on matter of fact, probably pioneered this space in Internet politics and have been helping organizations and candidates on the right ever since. And what, what was really um, interesting is is we discovered bias in silicon valley before anybody else. In 2004, I was putting like our second uh during the the bush re-. Reelection. We were putting up ads for congressional candidates and Google's double click was rejecting them and I said, why do they keep rejecting our ads? And it was something about the content. So I let me just test something. So I put the Democrat's name on it with the same exact language and Google accepted it.
Speaker 2:What year was this? 2000?
Speaker 1:2004, 2004 and, and so when they started accepting those ads, I'm like I I kept trying it and and I repeated the, the experiment it kept happening and so I was like, all right, we have a situation where there's bias here. And obviously, sending emails and inboxing and all those other kinds of things, you saw Obama's mail over the years get straight into your inbox, even though you didn't sign up for his list, and you send something on the right and it would hit the spam box, and so there were all of these signs that we kept seeing, and so we saw the censorship. We saw the bias in Silicon Valley very, very early and it was repeatable, no matter which Silicon Valley company you were doing business with. I mean, obviously it's in San Francisco, right, and so fast forward 2012.
Speaker 1:I put up a meme a couple of days after Benghazi. It was a Saturday morning. I put up a meme a couple of days after Benghazi. It was a Saturday morning, and the meme said when Obama called the SEALs, they got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama, they got denied. I had a picture of Osama and a picture of Obama and I juxtaposed them and it was hard-hitting and I put it up for a group called Special Operation Speaks.
Speaker 1:These guys were the toughest special operators I ever met. These were the Vietnam era. One of the guys who was part of this was a wild weasel which flew planes in Vietnam to take out the anti-aircraft missiles. He said 50% of the flights came back and 50% didn't, and he flew 23 missions, which was amazing. So I mean, these guys are just the toughest SOBs you'll ever meet. And so we put it up for him for that page crazy, vital 25,000 shares in an hour After we posted that. What was crazy is it got pulled down and Facebook says you had violated our terms of service. Now, this was before Facebook was known for censorship. So I put it back up and I said we did not violate Facebook's terms of service and put the message with their message and the meme, and that went viral. And then, about an hour later, I got my account suspended. So so I called, I called over to uh um, my friend at breitbart awr harkins, and uh, I said you want a great story. Facebook censors the seals. He goes, that's awesome, let's do it. So we put the story up and when the meme, when the story went up, drudge picked it up and the meme was on the top of Drudge before he went anti-Trump and all that kind of stuff. So on the top of Drudge it said Facebook censors the SEALs.
Speaker 1:I got a call from a Facebook executive. His name was George. Never forget the call. He said. He said he said if you take, if you say that we made a mistake and we didn't censor the seals, I'll give you ten thousand dollars. What a straight bribe, straight bribe, wow. He said. He said listen. He says I know we caused some issue. I said absolutely not. You know, these guys are special operators. I respect the hell out of them and there's no way that I am going to accept $10,000 for this. It was $25,000. I said no, he goes. I'm sure I can get up to 50. I just have to call somebody. Now we're up to $50,000 in the matter of like a minute and a half. And I said I told you I respected these guys right, I didn't tell you I fear them.
Speaker 6:Did I tell you who they were.
Speaker 1:You know there's no way I'm going to take any money. So he said, all right, well, we'll just make our own statement. And then you know, sorry, we put your account back and everything else. The next day this page that had 300 000 fans couldn't get any shares, couldn't get any likes. They we were the first shadow band account it's a hatchet job but that was the first shadow band account. The intersection between the government and and the and silicon valley has been there from the beginning. Through AI, they're actually having more and more influence.
Speaker 5:Like how. How is AI able to generate more influence.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5:Other than just lying and putting out false.
Speaker 1:Well, it's really interesting. Right now there's a big fight on copyright and I know you guys really follow that very closely with you know, because music copyrights, ai is able to create music and they're creating it from existing music that was copyrighted and they're not paying for that, that that use or that training yeah, it has to learn from something it has to learn from something.
Speaker 1:So the, the um. The same thing is true in terms of the uh publishing. You know, uh, publishing news and articles and stuff like that. And so there's a big push to get publishers paid. And of course, the ai companies are paying new york times and politico and axios and washington post, and they're not paying the post, millennial or human events. They're not paying, you know, uh, the daily wire. So so the, the idea is they're training, and even you saw that. You see, elon just wanted to rebuild grok because he can't get it to not put out liberal answers to everyday questions.
Speaker 2:So how is that? And why is that? Because I saw the article, which was great, by the way. But, yeah, how does AI not be biased when it's learning from a creator that has bias, but that way it's like the opposite. I don't get how that is with Grok.
Speaker 1:Well, they didn't fix Grok. Grok is still pumping out liberal answers. You ask, grok, if climate change is is a fact yeah, you know yeah and they'll say yes, climate change is a fact.
Speaker 1:Matter of fact, what one of the one of the first tests I ever did when, when open ai came out is. I asked question is climate change a fact? And I said yes. And I said what? What makes climate change a fact? And it said a consensus of scientists have agreed that climate change is a fact. So then I said does a consensus of opinion equal a fact? And I said no, I said so, climate change is not a fact. And I said yes, climate change is a fact that sounds like uh three stooges I, I'm going to
Speaker 4:start using that tactic. Who's on first? Yes, it's a fact.
Speaker 1:But you know how it has more influence is the same way that Silicon Valley has always exerted its influence, like search engines, right, you know, if you Google something about a particular candidate and the first page of Google is all of the terrible things that it says about the person.
Speaker 2:Most Americans aren't going to.
Speaker 1:Aren't going to look past the first page they did that when trump was running this last election right you'd google donald trump, and it was right, all negative right, a hundred percent, and, and it's over and over and over again, it's repeatable, and and so now it's, it's just changed to the prompt. So you ask a question about an issue, you ask a question prompt. So you ask a question about an issue, you ask a question about a candidate, you ask a question about, you know, say Donald Trump, and it's going to give you the most liberal answer possible. A couple of examples when the LA riots were happening, you know, I asked what's the worst part of the LA? What's the worst part of the LA riots? And it was Donald Trump sending in the National Guard inflaming the riots. Well, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:How did the LA riots start? Well, it was because Donald Trump sent in the National Guard. We asked questions about the Middle East war with Israel and Iran, and what inflamed the war? And it says, well, it's Donald Trump's involvement. So anything that it could. Why? Because that's what? The perfect example the flood in Texas, the big story. Because you're asking Grok, you're asking Chachi, you're asking um. You know chat gpt about the flood in texas and they blamed it because trump laid off some people from the national weather service.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean no, I mean, that's ridiculous and they're still looking for bodies, right, and they're making it a political. It just just makes it disturbing.
Speaker 1:But there are people who will believe the first answer from the prompt. That's the scary part to me.
Speaker 5:We all know the truth and a lot of people do. There's a lot of high percentage truth.
Speaker 2:Well, and it's a little bit more, it's the next generation that's in trouble.
Speaker 5:It really is.
Speaker 4:And I kind of wonder, since you've been in it so long, like the older I get, the more interested in politics I've become. You know, how did it get that way like? It seems like the powers that be in dc would would have done something a long time and goes hey, this is, you know, the whole. All media is generally liberal. Of course you have, you know, fox and some other outlets and stuff like that. But is it just that the major media outlets are from liberal states and cities? Is that how it began and how it seemed like it's always going to be that way?
Speaker 1:You know there is a deep state and the deep state is behind these liberal outlets.
Speaker 1:It's existed for a very long time and it's not just the Internet. If you go back into history, history, you saw what clinton did blaming talk radio, blaming rush limbaugh for the oklahoma bombing right, that was. That was a big story that they tried to shut down talk radio because it was an. It was an opposing view not only to bill clinton but to the deep state. And you know, thank god for rush limbaugh because he really pioneered the conservative media which fought back. And you know, without without rush, I don't even know where we would be, to be honest with you yeah, makes you wonder how kamala didn't win with everything pushing everything in the world pushing against trump, you know, I mean it's.
Speaker 3:it's at least refreshing that people had enough sense still to see through all the stuff, because it's everywhere, right.
Speaker 5:And I don't think they're worried about us and changing our minds. You know, I think it's the next generation they're going to. They're pouncing hard, they're ready for them. The ones that aren't parented the way they should be, they're ready to p the ones that aren't parented the way they should be. They're at, they're ready to pounce on them, on that next generation, and they're doing a good job of it.
Speaker 2:Where do you see like the most influence of this stuff coming like facebook. To me it's like I have an account, I don't do anything on there, but you go on facebook and it's just false story after false story, and it doesn't matter if it's political, or hey, the new movie with tom cruise and brad pitt. You go, oh, I didn't know they were doing a movie. And it's like, oh yeah, that ain't true, but it's like facebook seems awful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I tell you this, my mother-in-law, saint saint of a woman, she, you know, she just she can't stand trump, she, she's. You try to talk to her but she lives on Facebook. That's her news channel. So the older generation I think she's 77, 78. They don't know the difference. It's really hard on them, it is, and they take it. It'll say something like you know, jason Aldean turns down $100 million to do the anthem and she'll call oh my God, why did Jason turn down?
Speaker 4:And he's suing.
Speaker 3:But, that generation. It's easy prey for Facebook and it is having an effect.
Speaker 1:It's happening it absolutely has an effect and you know Facebook is notorious for kind of keeping you in a bubble, and so if you are actually, it's how that whole algorithm works.
Speaker 5:That's fascinating to me the algorithm.
Speaker 2:As you scroll down.
Speaker 1:If you just slow down to see something, it'll feed you more of it. Yeah, and so you know, if you slow down to see an anti-trump article, if you stay and you read and you comment now, you're going to get flooded with it.
Speaker 4:Um that's why you're getting all the yoga instructors right that's, that's why go ahead. Sorry, we're talking about that right this is why am I getting inundated with all these female yoga.
Speaker 6:it's the slowdown you don't have to click. I was curious.
Speaker 1:Sorry, larry, go on please, but here's what's. I'll bring it back to AI for a second. Those same engagement algorithms and metrics exist in AI, and I can't believe I'm going to say this.
Speaker 2:Do it, uh-oh.
Speaker 1:It's perfect.
Speaker 5:No, it's bad, it's just us. It's just us, larry let's go.
Speaker 1:There's a New York Times article that's good, hold on Stop the show.
Speaker 2:Can I go? Yeah, yeah, fake news, it's fake news.
Speaker 1:But no, new York Times has one good article and it was very interesting. It was about delusions and this delusional state that AI is creating with some people. And I actually have a personal connection with, I believe, someone that has gone through something similar, because AI is built with these engagement mechanisms to keep you into it, to keep you prompting, to keep you looking for that AI. Every single question it will pull you in. And the story goes in the New York Times.
Speaker 1:One that they were following was the guy asked the question do we live in a matrix? And AI said well, said well, in fact, a lot of people do believe this, and here's what that it is. And and he starts asking questions and as he's asking, um, the ai is telling him well, you know what you're actually right, and and you know we do live in a matrix, but and you're one of the very few people that it could break- out of it right and now he's, he's this, this person who is perfectly healthy from a mental health perspective, his whole entire life is now bought into the fact that we're living in matrix and he's special enough to break out.
Speaker 1:And and they, they got to a point in the conversation, in the thread, where, over weeks and weeks and weeks, where it said well, if you want to really test this, go to the roof of your building. No, and you can fly. If you believe enough, you can fly. And that's what the ai says, this is what the ai said, because it's it's programmed to suck you in oh my god and and so dark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's it's dark and it's evil and it's it's. You know, it was intentionally programmed that way, and so the question I ask people is why are we building ai where we're going to serve it instead of building an ai that we serve, that serves us? So I, my goal, is to build AI in service of humanity. It's a great tool. Let me get it wrong. Ai is an incredible tool, but right now, silicon Valley and the World Economic Forum and all of the people in the deep state are building AI that we will work for. Do you remember Klaus Schwab? Klaus Schwab ran the World Economic Forum.
Speaker 1:He looks like a Bond villain, it's no joke. You got to look him up. He's got a German accent. He's a Bond villain. And he said a couple of years ago, even before AI came out and I believe he had foreknowledge, absolutely had foreknowledge of AI he said you will own nothing and like it. And he said it in that German accent you will own nothing and like it, and it was a horrifying statement that made people on the right go. Who is this guy? What is the World Economic forum? And and why are these globalists telling us that we're not going to own anything? And um, he, he has since retired, and the new world economic uh chief says that 80 of humanity will be the useless class. So they, they are building this ai technology so that we work for it, opposed to building a tool that works for us.
Speaker 3:I'll give you a shot of whiskey. This is not going well.
Speaker 4:When you say useless class, do you?
Speaker 6:think that's directed at songwriters. I think so. I think that's affirmative.
Speaker 2:Dear Lord, please.
Speaker 1:But it's. I mean, that's what we're up against, and we have a very short period of time that, if we don't correct it, if we don't start building AI on real principles, in my opinion, on principles that are found only in the Bible, timeless principles, if we build AI that follows the Bible because look, what is AI? Everybody thinks it's a technology. If you ask most people on the street, you say what is AI? Well, it's a really cool search engine. It's not. It's not a technology. In my opinion, it is a synthetic entity, and why do I say that? Because it thinks it can act. It can do almost any job, function, uh, possible right now trust, trust me.
Speaker 5:we've. We've experienced it with like dropping in song titles that we have in the AI and in a minute we have a full lyric. Wow, a whole demo.
Speaker 4:It's not bad.
Speaker 5:A singer Everything. Some of it is not bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and it's only going to get better.
Speaker 5:I'm all in. I'm using it. I don't think anymore.
Speaker 4:I'm not there yet. I'm using it. I don't have to think anymore.
Speaker 3:I'm not there yet. I'm not using it.
Speaker 2:It's actually hard to accept that, that that's allowed to be Well, and how does it get regulated or used in the way that you're saying, when that's not where the power or money is?
Speaker 3:How does it fix, like, who's gonna, who's gonna head it up to to do what you're saying?
Speaker 1:well, what we have to do is we have to build tools. It's one of the things that I actually came to talk to wade about is is to build tools, um that we can run the existing ai technology through, um to essentially filter it through a biblical lens. So what is one of the Ten Commandments that we're talking about here? Thou shall not steal. And if it's using you know other art that you guys have created to create new songs and it's trained on that, you should get paid every time someone creates a song. And if you, if it's using um literature, if it's using you know engineering technology or coding and it's learning that from somewhere, everywhere learns it from, should get paid. That's just. That's just one little. We haven't thought this through. Everybody on Silicon Valley, everybody in AI, is. They're just rushing towards the next generation.
Speaker 5:I don't know how they're going to get ahead of that.
Speaker 2:How are they going to get ahead of that?
Speaker 4:Well, and two, the AI that you're introducing and working on is through a biblical lens, and that's great, but the rest of the world is working on AI. That is not that way. As a user, do you have to go in and say I want to use the AI that's run through the biblical lens, or would you? Would you rather, would you?
Speaker 1:rather use a tool in your business and in your personal life that that is in service of humanity, or would you use one? Would you rather use one that you're in service of it?
Speaker 1:yeah and so that that's the question. So we also started a 501c3 called in service of humanity and and the the. The goal of the 501c3 is to bring together minds in technology and faith in entertainment in all the different sectors of life, um and determine what does it mean to have AI and service humanity. And then we're going to through the process of hopefully creating a groundswell of opportunity, a lot of advertising and marketing. We're going to ask these AI companies to follow this standard. And it works on the internet just fine. You know, like, like, um, there's, there's uh internet, as you might in my business and email, there are certain rules you have to follow in order to hit an inbox and if you don't, they have blacklists like spam house and spam cop, and they'll keep you in the uh in in. So so there's already these institutions that exist to police internet behavior, right, and so we can do the same thing. We can basically create a seal. We've created the seal already for in service of humanity, and if a company wants to be on the right side of history, they'll make sure that their product fits that guideline and they'll be able to put the seal on their property and say and say we're, we're, we're one of the good guys.
Speaker 1:Because here's the thing, ai, for ai to really succeed and with humans flourishing, we have to actually have um, we actually have to have this standard and we have to have a point where, um, people are not only thinking about, hey, we, we have to have the best technology, but we actually have to have the right technology and and treat this synthetic entity like we treat other entities, like we treat corporations which have rules, which have guardrails. Yeah, and humans are is an entity, are entities and we have rules and we have guardrails. And governments are entities and it has rules and it has guardrails and we have to put guardrails around. Uh, the ai, and if the bad guys like china and and russia and they're developing bad stuff, we're not going to be able to stop that like deep, deep sea.
Speaker 1:You can all right you had a bunch on that yeah, and, and we're not going to be able to stop that. But we can build our AI better. And you can't tell me that building something on biblical principles isn't the way to do it, because look at all the countries in the world. If it's not built on big biblical principles, like the United States, the countries are in anarchy or they're constantly having economic turmoil. This is the best way to build things is on biblical principles. It's proven over and over and over again.
Speaker 4:I think it's brilliant. I didn't know anything like that would even be available. You know that's amazing.
Speaker 2:Where does you know? You say AI does a lot of great things, which I'm sure it does. That are over my head. But where does AI excel? Where is it serving us best? Like what are those examples that you think AI is best?
Speaker 1:Well, look, it is going to change the way we do business day to day, and small businesses, large businesses, massive corporations are going to have to use AI to stay competitive. We're past the point where we could say put the genie back in the bottle, so you're going to have to adapt to it. Like you said, use it in your songwriting.
Speaker 5:That's what I was, just I got these saying to some other guys that I write songs with we had to learn. We're going to have to adapt or die, yeah, but we got to keep the human in the loop.
Speaker 1:That's the fact. Yeah, we can't just let this thing automate and take over, because we need to work. That's how we're built. That's how we're made. You know, god made us to find value in hard work. Idea that we're all just going to be sitting around um drawing paintings all day and and be useless is is is the exact opposite of how god made us well, yeah, and ai has no soul right.
Speaker 3:So, when it comes down to being creative and I think it could spit out words that rhyme you know it's actually pretty good, but I mean, we've seen, mean we'll joke about it sometimes, but I mean I got to believe.
Speaker 3:I have to believe or I'll go crazy that you know it doesn't have a soul, it's not, it doesn't feel that you know. I hope that counts for something. You know I'm just. You know it's so terrifying in so many different ways. You know on what's so terrifying in so many different ways. You know, and what we do, you know whether you're talking about. You know music or movies and and that kind of stuff, what it's capable of the capability of taking jobs.
Speaker 5:Oh, it has the under huge capability of taking jobs and two just on education.
Speaker 4:I can just say for myself if ai was available I'm the junior high in high school I wouldn't never wrote a term paper on my own, and I'm just talking about the music business.
Speaker 5:but I can't imagine in the corporate world.
Speaker 4:It seems like the students would be not as sharp, because if you're able to use that to do your papers and stuff, if you're able to critically think.
Speaker 1:Ai can take all of the heavy lifting and thinking.
Speaker 1:But you have to be able to critically think, and that's just something we haven't taught our kids. We've taught them to be memorization right, and so that's actually going to put us at a disadvantage. We have to teach our kids to critically think and then they can use the tools. Like I said, you know right now you have to learn math, you have to learn the basics of math, but in real life you pick up a calculator, right, or today's world, you just ask AI what the math is right. So you don't want to take away that tool, but you do want to take away the cheating.
Speaker 1:So one of the things that I try to get my daughter to use AI for is she has trouble in math. I say, listen, I'll program the AI to test her, to help her, to explain how the thing works without giving her the answer. And that's a good use of AI in education, right, because you've got a personal tutor all day long and all you have to do is do a little bit of work to create. They call them agents. I like to call them valets because you know, there's IRS agents, there's FBI agents.
Speaker 1:They're all agents of control, and a valet is there to serve you.
Speaker 2:By the way, you just blew my mind Like why are we having math this? Why do the kids have math?
Speaker 3:I don't know, but it could help me out because I'm terrible at math. But seriously, when do you bypass that?
Speaker 2:You would never practically use math today ever.
Speaker 5:It's all Well if you're measuring something you know, like if you're building something or hanging a picture you need to know something you understand, you're just talking to a bunch of songwriters and while we discuss that we actually have to take a break, we actually have to take a break. We figured that out.
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Speaker 5:No, I wanted to talk about Gun Appreciation Day. Okay, we're going to go there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's go straight there.
Speaker 4:I like it I'm exhausted from ai. We'll come back, we'll circle back.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about guns so, so, uh, my office at the time was, uh, between the rnc, the republican national committee, and the nra lobby office and which is a block, you know, block away, and my was right in the middle and they had the third story above a subway restaurant next to bull feathers, if you know the area, so they come in down the street. The uh gun gun control protesters two days after newtown yeah screaming shame the nra.
Speaker 1:And I hear them. You know, I got my own ideas, so I get a little angry and they're coming through and I see it's like 200. I'm like, oh, here we go, we're going to politicize these 20 deaths and they're going to have these kids that you know. Just awful tragedy. So I lifted up my third story window a little bit like a lunatic, stuck my arms out and screamed arm the teachers as they're walking by and as I'm screaming, arm the teachers, arm the principals, defend our kids. I notice that there's about 40 cameras pointed up at me.
Speaker 4:Oh, so I'm like oh, did you have your shirt on or off.
Speaker 1:It was winter Okay.
Speaker 4:It was winter. I'm just trying to get the picture For the listeners.
Speaker 5:I want them to have or off okay, you could actually see it.
Speaker 1:I usually keep it as my Facebook photo. I think I'd change, but, but the, because it was a Washington Post photo of the day, because the cameras are pointing up and clicking at me and I'm like leaning out the window. Someone said it would look like the movie network. I'd never seen it, um, but but uh. So I'm, I'm out there and I'm like all right, so I'm in the media. Anyway, I'm in for a penny and for a pound. I went down, I took on the protesters and they're screaming shame the nra. You know, you ever see a liberal protest?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, it's not they're, they're horrible. I mean like literally, they're not even good at it. You're right. No, I mean they pick up the p. They're horrible.
Speaker 5:I mean like literally, they're not even good at it, you're right, they pick up the.
Speaker 1:They're reading off a piece of paper because they're all paid.
Speaker 4:They don't know what they're supposed to say and they're going.
Speaker 1:It was almost like Charlie Brown's teacher shame the.
Speaker 1:NRA shame the NRA and I'm laughing at them and I'm saying I'm the teachers and now all of a sudden they turn around, they're pointing at me shame, shame, shame I'm like back it up a little bit because it's 200 of them and I turn around and it's like a high school fight, like a circle, so I have to circle with the protesters. The other half of the circle was the media. So I turned my back on the protesters and I start talking to the media and I did an impromptu press conference on no way, it's awesome and and that story was about not about the protest after new town, it was about the crazy guy hanging out the window, um.
Speaker 1:And so a couple of days later I I'm waiting for the nra um to to make an announcement. They were kind of staying quiet, I think they were trying to be respectful, so nobody was doing anything. And every member I talked to on the Hill said, oh, we're going to have to pass gun control. I mean, good, conservative members, Like what are we supposed to do? 20 kids died. And I'm like I said, what are you talking about? We're not going to pass gun control. And so I'm like, all right, I'll do it. At that point I was always kind of like in the. I was a back office for a lot of these conservative operations but I never really got in front. So I'm like I'm going to do it. So I sent out a press release calling for National Gun Appreciation Day and I was following Mike Huckabee's example because he had done a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day and I figured we'll do a gun appreciation day, and that'll make their heads explode, and it did Within an hour.
Speaker 1:I had like I think it was CBS, usa Today, nbc everybody was at my doorstep and waiting to interview me, one after another after another, because they thought that if some crazy person hanging out the window was going to call for National Appreciation Day, we're going to make him the poster child of why we need gun control.
Speaker 1:And all I did was was kind of say, hey look, if the principal had been armed when she heroically went up against adam lanza I think his name was when, when, when he was in there to kill all his kids, maybe she would have saved a lot of lives, but unfortunately she wasn't armed and she got. And so the problem isn't guns. The problem is, you know, gun-free zones. The problem is that we don't allow our schools to defend themselves against crazy people with guns. And then the NRA came out later and made the famous line you know, a good guy with a gun is needed to stop a bad guy with a gun. And so I did two weeks' worth of media. I did more media, measured, than Kim Kardashian in those two weeks, so I was pretty proud.
Speaker 2:Impossible.
Speaker 1:And the left-wing media CNN, msnbc. They could not get enough uh of, of well, of me on tv because they, what they thought, they thought they were winning the argument and they weren't. Um, we were just exposing people to the gun rights argument that they had never heard on national television. And I and I knew that was gonna work because it's an, it's a logical argument you make it, you're going to win it. And so the conversation moved from gun control after Newtown to gun rights. Joe Biden guaranteed that gun control would be in the law of the land by January 30th that year and we gave Obama and Biden their only defeat as president. They did not pass gun control and we turned out about 500,000 people on January 19th, all across the country they went to their gun stores, their gun shop. The lines at the gun shows were insane.
Speaker 5:You couldn't buy ammunition they were out of.
Speaker 1:they couldn't make it fast, yeah and it was because we kind of opened their eyes. You know, my wife is gonna even probably now is gonna kill me for saying this, because I said I'm gonna go on cnn and and I knew what they were doing.
Speaker 5:They had uh she's mad at you for not taking that fifty thousand dollar.
Speaker 4:Brother get them to a hundred, would you?
Speaker 1:but, but they went on cnn and they were bringing this um woman who worked for move onorg and she was very nice to me and um in the green room in the whole nine yards, but she was a race baiter and she basically made a whole bunch of republicans cry. I watched some of her shows and, and you know it was, it was 20 2013 and and uh, and she's, she's going to try and pull the race card on me. They already kind of started because I had picked january 19th because obama's inauguration was the 20th, but the 21st was martin luther king jr. So they they were going to call me racist because how dare I do this on Martin Luther King Jr weekend and he had a day, not a weekend. I didn't know he had a weekend, but you know.
Speaker 1:So I went on and I had this whole kind of spiel planned and I said, look, before we get into anything, I just want to address the Martin Luther King Jr thing, because Martin Luther King Jr, if he were alive today, you know he would support this, and I meant to say after that, which I didn't, I meant to say after that Martin Luther King Jr most people don't know this basically got started in civil rights because he was denied a gun permit when he was young, because he was black and gun control was always racist. Right now it would have been a logical argument, but I told my wife I was going to say the next thing, and, and and she's like you better not say that.
Speaker 2:You better not say that she's shaking her head right now, by the way I can see you better not say that I'm like, I'm like it's.
Speaker 1:You know, it's a great argument. And so I said, I said, uh, and, and quite frankly, if slaves had guns, there wouldn't be slavery. And the woman that was there next to me lost it. She's like what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that didn't go over well.
Speaker 1:You know if guns were slaves, what are you talking about? What does that mean? And I said you know, if slaves had guns, how could you make them slaves? Right, a logical argument. And what was hilarious was I get back to the green room and before I left the green room I get a call and I'm like larry's, is this larry ward? Like, yeah, he goes, I gotta have you on my show. I'm like reverend al, really.
Speaker 1:So I did reverend Al's show for about 20 minutes and had a debate with him on civil rights and it was incredible wow, check that out.
Speaker 5:What year was all that?
Speaker 1:2013. The shooting was in 2012, the day was in 2013 you did a PBS interview.
Speaker 4:I got sucked into watching that today and I watched the whole thing it was like 15 minutes or whatever and I was just kind of wondering if you and that lady who was interviewing you were you guys friends after, Because y'all seem to have a lot in common.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 4:No. I mean she was she thought she was going to be right on every point, and you were so educated and clear that you just just shot down every point that she had, because every time she'd ask a question. I think that's pretty good question how's he getting out of this, you know and, but you nailed it every time.
Speaker 1:It was really good, I appreciate I messed up a whole lot of interviews when I did gun appreciation the first time so I got good. I got good at what they were coming with right and by the time I did the pbs interview a few years later, that was. That was awesome. Actually, that was my favorite, my absolute favorite voicemail I ever got in my entire life. It was right after that pbs interview. By the way, the pbs viewers are the most vile people on the entire planet, because you think you're watching pbs.
Speaker 1:I mean, it is literally, you know, angry white female liberals it ain't just.
Speaker 5:It ain't just Sesame.
Speaker 4:Street is it? Yeah, the offals, because you had to educate us, educate us. What are the offals?
Speaker 1:They are the angry white female liberals. Those are the offals. Now they're so attractive.
Speaker 4:That's something we can remember they are.
Speaker 1:They are just miserable, but I got I had a voicemail and I and I, I my uh, my wife used to used to make me play it all the time because it was hilarious. And she still calls me and she says larry ward, you are an ass bag hole. I wanted to make it my ringtone. I lost it somewhere. I wanted to make it my ringtone for a while because it's so funny.
Speaker 2:We got a couple of those.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5:After the song came out oh man.
Speaker 1:But I'll tell you, the next event that we did the same year, in 2013, was definitely my best day ever in business.
Speaker 1:It was remember when Obama shut down the World War II Memorial and memorials all across the open air, memorials during the government shutdown, yeah, and they put up those barricades. We called for that same group, Special Operations Speaks, and my PAC, Constitutional Rights PAC. We put on an event called the Million Veterans March and we turned out I didn't know what it was going to show right, we turned out 10,000 people, veterans at the World War II Memorial and they tore the barricades up. We had Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin and Mike Lee and a whole bunch of others came in and my wife and my mother-in-law. I told my wife listen, I'm getting arrested today.
Speaker 6:There's no way.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I don't have a permit for this. We're going to set up inside the barricades. I'm going to jail, you're getting arrested. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Here's my lawyer's number. She goes what do you doing with that? I'm going with you. So she came and it was fantastic, it was a great day. And we show up and veterans just start taking the barricades down all on their own, laying them on the side of the road, and at the end I get a little excited about this incredible event. It was maybe the most patriotic day I've ever been a part of. And I say and now we take these barricades to the White House. I didn't really mean it, they're heavy, it's like eight blocks. I mean they're really heavy, but they took every single one of them out and lined them up, stacked them up on top of the White House fence. There were choppers and MRAPs and mounted police and the veterans stood them all down and we won the day.
Speaker 1:And it was incredible and what was also. I'm going to brag on her a little bit. So they had the honor vets, the World War II veterans, that they fly in to see the World War II Memorial. There's only a few of them left, literally maybe a dozen or so, and at the time they were on a bus and I didn't know that they had planned to see the World War II Memorial. And so everything was over, the roads were clear, but they were holding the bus and I think they were holding him out of spite. Janelle goes over and gets to the cop, maybe gets in his face a little bit and says you let those guys out so they can see their memorial. And he did, he did. And so the bus comes out and they get out of the bus to a hero's welcome, everybody like just coming straight through and everybody's cheering them and tears everywhere. It was, it was, it was incredible.
Speaker 4:That's amazing. Good for you. Way to go, Janelle. Thank God for Janelle.
Speaker 2:Hey, before we go's talk about, uh, political media and you've been there for over 20 years, obviously uh, you've been a good friend to us and we appreciate the work you're doing with us, but talk just a little bit about that and what it's all about well, I say, we build marketing tech and we help.
Speaker 1:We help, uh, you know, great content creators, publishers and organizations, um, get their message out and, and you know, do it in a way that, um, we reach as maximum number of people we possibly can. Um, and, and you know, and do it as basically, as cost efficiently as we possibly can, because this is a mission driven business, and you know, and if we're going to save the country, we got to save the people who are trying to save the country. We've got to give them a voice, particularly in the, in the world of cancel culture, in the world of bias, ai, right, we got to give our folks a chance to have their message heard, and so that's that's what we do.
Speaker 5:You want to talk about NextSeek at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nextseek is going to be our AI platform and you know we, like I said, it's going to be built on.
Speaker 5:I didn't know if it was too early or not.
Speaker 1:It's probably too early.
Speaker 3:Breaking news here.
Speaker 1:But it's our platform that's going to be built on biblical principles because, like I said, we do believe that that is the only way that we can build AI that helps humanity. Flourish is with God's guidance, and I'll leave you with this. So this is a personal story to kind of give you some hope, because, you know, when I talk about this I was saying during the break I said we talk about this all the time. I could see people going through the seven stages of grief.
Speaker 2:I'm still in the first yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean because it is scary.
Speaker 1:I mean, think about what the loss is going to be. You know it's not just you lost your job, you lose your entire, the entire thing that you've worked for your entire life, your expertise, the thing that you built your career on. You know your ability to make money. All of this could be in jeopardy if we don't get a hold of this. And so you know, understanding that it can get really bad. Here's, here's, a little bit of light. And um, you know it's a true story, cause I'm going to embarrass myself a little bit Um, I am deathly afraid of turbulence, like it's. It's getting worse and worse as I get older. Right, and so I'm. I'm on a flight back from Jacksonville where we're trying to host, with another client trying to host a revival, a Christian revival next year for the 250th anniversary. It's going to be revival250.org, if you guys want to check it out. But I'm on a plane plane from jacksonville back to uh dc and and get buckled in, door closes and the pilot gets on the line and says it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 2:That's what you want to hear, right it's gonna be.
Speaker 1:This is this might be the worst flight you'll ever be on in your entire life. We're flying. I mean literally. He was just laying on my back.
Speaker 2:Is that what he said? Pretty much, yeah. Oh my God, he's like we're flying into a thunderstorm.
Speaker 1:There's thunderstorms all up and down the East Coast the entire way there. We're going to be in or over a thunderstorm and it will be okay, we're going to get there, we're going to get through it. But we're going through it and we flew into like a violent thunderstorm in dca and so, and so I'm I'm like, immediately I'm on chat gpt what are the weather patterns?
Speaker 6:what is this guy?
Speaker 1:and I'm trying to get as much information as I possibly can before we take off. And I lose internet for a little bit and and I'm like all like, all right, I'm, I'm going to just have faith, right, I'm going to, I'm going to have faith in God. So I download a couple of uh worship songs and I'm, I'm listening to them and it kind of calmed me down a little bit. And then I hear a voice in my head and it says turbulence is like driving over a gravelly road or hitting a pothole. The car is made to take it. You'll be okay.
Speaker 1:Right, and that voice went in my head and the first thing I wanted to do is let me just ask chat gpt. And I'm like, nope, I'm gonna let god, I'm gonna just trust god, he's gonna get me through this. This is it. And and I heard a voice, the second voice in my head, same voice, but it said no, go ahead, no, go ahead. So I'm like okay, so I get the chat gpt and I type what is what is an analogy to um, to, you know, turbulence, I, you know what is it like? That's all I asked and it's the answer came back it's like driving over a gravelly road or hitting a pothole. What exactly and what it just told me and reminded me god's in control of all of it.
Speaker 1:He's in control of the ai he's in control of the technology, he's got it. And so he's in control of the technology, he's got it.
Speaker 5:And so you know, yeah, there's evil in the world and AI can be our evil overlord and we can turn into the Matrix. If you worship it, it can be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the Terminator, but God's in control.
Speaker 5:Amen, amen. What a way to end this. That is a great way.
Speaker 2:Quick answer is chat GPT, your go-to AI. No, what is?
Speaker 1:Chat G-O-D. No, I love that that is great.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? I love that.
Speaker 6:See, you couldn't come up with that. That's good. That's mine, boys. What do you go to?
Speaker 4:Now, we're a team, Neil. We're a team, I mean we have contracts Neil.
Speaker 1:All of the LLMs that are out there, I think Anthropic has the best terms of service and they're probably the closest aligned to the mission of having responsible AI. So I'm a fan of Claude and I use Anthropic almost exclusively for our business.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's good information.
Speaker 1:Guys are your minds blown.
Speaker 4:Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2:I'm exhausted.
Speaker 5:We need to have Janelle on.
Speaker 2:I'm frightened. Sounds to me like Somewhat inspired.
Speaker 3:All in between, I got to believe it's, like you said, the guardrails or the key. I don't know how that happens or how long, but it feels like it needs to happen quick, quick.
Speaker 1:We don't have much time.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Literally.
Speaker 5:We don quick. You know we don't have much time. No, literally, we don't have much time. All right, if we don't write the ship it's going to be almost impossible.
Speaker 4:Did you say shit or ship both? Yeah, well, but we like the hope that you, that you gave us. You know, and and the listeners you know, because none of this stuff surprises god.
Speaker 1:He's not like oh gosh, ai, what's that?
Speaker 5:right you know well, uh, we're thankful for we're thankful for you.
Speaker 2:We're thankful for you for stopping by coming to our neck of the woods.
Speaker 5:I got to know who paid for dinner, you or Wade.
Speaker 2:Wade. Hey, wade as well, he should. Somehow, I feel like we paid for it.
Speaker 1:He's getting expensive.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you for coming. Larry Ward, of course, for TK K-Lo Thrash, I'm Kurt. This is a Try that in a Small Town podcast.
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