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The Evolution of a Band With Nothing Left to Prove :: Ep 70 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

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Twenty years into their musical journey, Kurt and Tully experience a profound moment of clarity during their Nashville show. What makes this performance different? There's a palpable sense of arrival—no longer needing to prove themselves to industry insiders, but simply connecting with fans who appreciate their extensive catalog of hits.

Against this backdrop of artistic confidence, the conversation takes a fascinating turn toward the rapidly evolving world of AI in songwriting. In just weeks, one songwriter's perspective has shifted dramatically after witnessing how these tools are being embraced throughout Nashville's creative community. What once took days now happens in minutes—songs transformed into professional-sounding demos through algorithms rather than session musicians. This efficiency comes with profound questions about what's gained and what's lost when technology replaces human collaboration.

The discussion reveals a music industry at a crossroads. Veterans who remember the "magical days" of rushing between demo sessions across Music Row now watch as AI threatens to fundamentally alter how music is created. "I hate to feel like you don't have to be creative to create," one participant laments, capturing the existential concern at the heart of this technological revolution. Yet there's also recognition of AI's potential benefits for individual songwriters with specific limitations.

Beyond the studio, the conversation explores how audience behavior at concerts has changed, with fans increasingly throwing objects at performers across musical genres. The contrast between phone-obsessed American audiences and the fully present fans at an Oasis concert overseas highlights how technology continues to reshape our relationship with live music.

What emerges is a thoughtful examination of tradition versus innovation, convenience versus craft, and what it means to create authentic music in an increasingly algorithmic world. For anyone who cares about the soul of songwriting and the future of musical creation, this conversation offers valuable perspective from those who've witnessed the industry's transformation firsthand.

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Podcast Introduction

Speaker 1

We've played the arena in Nashville eight times, nine times, something like that right. For some reason, I don't know it's because maybe it's the 20-year anniversary of the first album, or whatever I personally felt like it was the first time we played a show where it was like we didn't feel like we had anything to prove.

Speaker 2

Either last week or the week before, we were talking about AI a little bit, and in that short amount of time my opinion has already changed.

Speaker 3

Since then Pretty drastically since then.

Speaker 4

Really, as far as songwriting goes, yeah, what's he talking about when he directed that question at me? What's he talking about you?

Speaker 3

must have said when we were talking about people throwing stuff up oh, it's probably amazing TV.

Speaker 4

Oh, he was the one doing it. Like he was the one doing it?

Speaker 3

I don't know that.

Speaker 4

That was comedy. That was not deducting, that was comedy, amazing.

Speaker 5

The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now I think it's the same thing.

Speaker 2

Try that in a Small Town.

Speaker 3

All right, it's been an adventure, but we're back. This is a Try that in a Small Town podcast. It's been a bumpy road. It's been a little bit of a bumpy road, I think Patriot Mobile of course we're here at the eSpaces studio Still feels good, yeah, loving it. Oh, my God, neil, what are you doing?

Speaker 4

I have to spread my nostrils to breathe.

Speaker 5

I hate that we have cameras. Do you do that at home Sometimes?

Speaker 4

I wear Breathe Right strips.

Speaker 3

I was going to say do you snore? Yeah, if we had this conversation, I do, yeah.

Speaker 4

Don't ask my wife. Yet I do, I do snore.

Speaker 5

Yeah, don't ask my wife, yet I do?

Speaker 3

I do snore I sleep good.

Speaker 4

I feel like I sleep good.

Speaker 3

I wake up rested. That happens to me. I sleep great, but my wife says I snore.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I sleep great. Are we ever going to? She doesn't. Is that normal? I mean, I think I purr.

Speaker 2

It's kind of like a tizzle. I wish I purred. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 4

I don't know.

Speaker 2

I imagine that that's amazing.

Speaker 4

Tully, do you snore?

Speaker 1

I do you do it's a beautiful sound, though what?

Speaker 4

is it about snoring? Seriously, though, I mean how come we don't have that figured out yet, because we all, I mean, why is it mostly men?

Speaker 3

Why, because we're overworked. We're overworked.

Speaker 4

That's exactly that's why that's why, I'm just laughing uncontrollably.

Speaker 2

I think you should elaborate on that. Rhyming is hard, overworked, stress.

Speaker 1

The stress of everything. Really, yeah, yeah, I mean we should be allowed to snore. Let us snore. I totally agree.

Speaker 4

Let a man snore, let us snore. I totally agree. Let a man snore.

Speaker 3

I totally agree. Anyway, Kalo do you actually snore, Do you know?

Speaker 2

I don't know. I think so If I'm on my back. I think I get kicked in the side every now and then and I know just naturally to roll over, yeah, and it stops, really yeah.

Speaker 3

Hey, can I? I get us going really strong.

Speaker 4

Yes, let's do it. Can I come out of the gate with something?

Speaker 3

Let's do it, please do, please. I'm looking at you, so I'm directing this towards you. This is exciting, it's exciting.

Speaker 4

You're looking at me, I'm looking at you. You're looking at me. You're looking at me.

Speaker 1

The amazing NT.

Speaker 3

We'll get to that.

Speaker 2

But first I want to get when I get to this football season's upon us.

Speaker 3

Right, we are like 16 days. Oh my gosh, it's very exciting, can't wait. College football, pro football, let's go. And I know neil's got a little bit of an issue with pro football, so let's go to this what do you mean? What are you talking about? This year, all 32 nfl teams will again be forced to stencil a social justice message in their end zone. You can choose between these five.

Speaker 3

You're kidding me, this is great Hold on End racism, stop hate, choose love, inspire change. And it takes all of us. But what are we? What are we doing? That's forced but those are those are.

Speaker 4

Those are the same ones they've been showing yeah I thought they were going to be like something new.

Speaker 3

No, no, uh, you can't choose your own. You have to choose one of these five. It takes. Which one are you choosing? That's a different one.

Speaker 2

It takes all of us and is that a new one? I don't know. I think most people just not.

Speaker 3

No, it's not. It's not a new one.

Speaker 4

All five of those all five of those that he just read. We've been looking at for the last handful of years in the end zone choose love, which one?

Speaker 3

if you are forced to put one of these, which one are you gonna? Use him again yes, you read them again. I was really bad at school. End racism, stop hate, choose love, inspire change, and it takes all of us.

Speaker 4

Inspire change. None of the above Is there that one, you don't get that one. They don't define anything.

Speaker 2

What's the change Like inspire change what change.

Speaker 4

Inspire what change.

Speaker 1

What needs to change? That's a legit. I don't have the answers.

Speaker 3

What needs to change.

Speaker 4

That's what I want. To know what needs to change. He's just asking you what would you pick?

Speaker 2

because that's the option.

Speaker 3

If you had to pick one of these, what would you pick?

Speaker 1

One more time.

Speaker 4

I like it, I mean if I had to pick. If I had to pick, it's like it depends on what team you're talking. My idea of inspired change is run the ball, new quarterback.

Speaker 2

Run the ball If you're the.

Speaker 1

Titans you want inspired change from Will Levis. Maybe I go inspired change, just so you can at least take that as a wider.

Speaker 4

They have the end racism thing in the end zone we talked about that before I'm like show me where it is.

Speaker 1

Where are the racists?

Nashville Show Reflections

Speaker 4

I'll be glad to help you end it, but show me where it is first. They just say it, they just throw it out there on the field for millions of fans to look at and everybody's scratching their heads like what racism are you talking about? We'll help you end it, because it's a bad thing. Yeah, I agree, but where is it?

Speaker 3

I agree, I don't know. I I agree, I don't know, I'm not seeing it. What if you could create your own slogan? What would it be? My wife actually asked me that question.

Speaker 5

She goes.

Speaker 3

Mine would be this is her follow the law. She's a rule follower. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2

I love that. That's hers. Mine would be. Do better, do better.

Speaker 4

Yeah, do better in what?

Speaker 1

Everything You're at the NFL, do better, do, better Do better.

Speaker 2

What does that even mean? Teams, individuals If everybody did better, it would be a great world.

Speaker 4

Better. In what, though? What are we lacking? What are we not good at? He's asking you let's do it right here, K-Lo.

Speaker 2

If there's a message, what would you put If you have to?

Speaker 4

put one. What do you put Do?

Speaker 2

better. I'm not saying that's it, I'm saying that's what.

Speaker 4

I would do. It's an option. I need more, though. It's just they're so vague. The messages are so vague, I need more.

Speaker 3

Then what would it be? Why don't?

Speaker 4

they just use the whole end zone. Do better in your short game in golf, just do that. Put that, that whole phrase at the end.

Speaker 2

That didn't apply to everybody. You know, everybody didn't play golf. See, that's not commercial.

Speaker 4

Whatever it is you do, I guess do better. But when you just say do better, it's like, it's so like whatever.

Speaker 2

Do you like do better than in racism? Yes, I guess. Why don't they just not put anything? Why don't they just put nothing? That's really strange. Something's going to go there. We just want to see a touchdown.

Speaker 4

I don't want to see that after a touchdown.

Speaker 2

I don't want to have to be staring at that crap. You're not playing by the rules. You've got to play the game. There's those options.

Speaker 4

But if I had one. You're saying, if we had one.

Speaker 3

I'm just saying you don't have to either.

Speaker 1

We can move I like stop snoring, stop snoring.

Speaker 4

Stop snoring.

Speaker 3

Stop kicking me, stop snoring, drink more, feel free.

Speaker 2

Feel free. Yes, well, we'll talk about that later. Don't feel as free. Yeah, we'll breeze.

Speaker 4

If I was the owner, I mean if it was my league, I mean there would be some funny stuff in the end zone.

Speaker 1

So is that a goodell thing? Obviously it's not the owners, right? I don't know.

Speaker 3

I can't see.

Speaker 1

Jerry.

Speaker 5

Jones and Robert. Crasick saying you know inspire change I mean where's that coming from?

Speaker 1

That's true. I don't know, I can't see them either.

Speaker 3

I can't see.

Speaker 4

Jerry.

Speaker 2

Jones doing that?

Speaker 4

Yeah, not at all, but I can't see him either. I can't see Jerry Jones doing that. Not at all. But they have to comply.

Speaker 1

Can't we just have our sports Please? Enough's enough, really, that's mine. Enough's enough, that's my slogan. Enough's enough, I like it.

Speaker 4

That's the best slogan they could put in the end zone.

Speaker 1

Enough's enough.

Speaker 4

And that could mean a lot of stuff, but we all know what it really means. Or you could just put the team's names in the end zone. Oh wow, there you go, groundbreaking. Yeah, let's go old school absolutely what else you got, kurt?

Speaker 2

that was it. I just wanted to get us going on. That are you excited for football.

Speaker 3

Oh, yes, yes, uh. When's ut's first game? On the 30th alabama.

Speaker 4

Do you know it's on the 30th Alabama. Do you know it's on the 30th Florida?

Speaker 2

State. It's actually a pretty good weekend it's a really good opening weekend huge.

Speaker 4

So are you going to be watching? You two going to be watching college football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, get me through to the start of the NFL year.

Speaker 1

Um, what about? Can we? Can we back? Go backwards to the cheerleaders in Minnesota.

Speaker 3

Well, yes, Explain what this is. Oh, here we go. Well, there's two of them right, there's two male cheerleaders.

Speaker 1

I mean male technically.

Speaker 3

I think, which is fine.

Speaker 4

I guess why is that fine? Yeah, because you can have male cheerleaders.

Speaker 1

Yeah, there are tons of male cheerleaders in well, high school, yeah, but I get that, bro, they lift the girls. These are different. These dudes, yeah, the wait, wait the guys in college though they're, they're heaving the girls I know it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 4

They're studs, yeah, and that's fucking yeah they're not idiots, I mean they've, but these guys aren't going to be lifting anybody. This is a whole different message.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean I just let's, let's be honest, I've seen the pictures I I did see the promotional video.

Speaker 4

It's amazing. I was looking. I think they're tucking.

Speaker 5

I really do. Is that what happens? Do they tuck?

Speaker 4

Is that the tuck rule? Is that the?

Speaker 1

tuck rule. That's not what they were talking about.

Speaker 4

There's no bulge there, they're tucking. That's not what they were talking about. There's no bulge there, they're talking.

Speaker 3

I think Target had some clothes for that I'm telling you, man, seriously.

Speaker 4

No, yes, they did for a while. It's so feminine. No, it's so anti-football. Atlanta agrees with me that.

Speaker 3

Target did sell a line of clothes for tucking Shut up. Yeah, tuck it, they still have it. Wait a minute I do I do wear shirts.

Speaker 4

There is untuck it, but they have tuck it and they have great shirts. They got to tuck it now, really, kayla real quick, just yes I need to ask. Sorry, the mill cheerleaders are talking. I'm telling you, were you serious?

Speaker 3

about that yes, and I was confirmed in my thoughts Did you try some out. I did not try to tuck it, but Target did, or maybe still sells when? What section? Yeah, they used to be right up front, but now they've tucked them in the back.

Speaker 2

Now they're tucked away. Wow so, are you saying, because we've never got to. So so obviously there's guys that are, oh yeah, that are becoming girls to be it's real feminine.

Speaker 4

They're not lifting. Yeah, they're, yeah, they're not lifting.

Speaker 3

Girls, they're, they're no and I might need to do some more research. But uh, are they transitioning or is it just?

Speaker 1

I don't know. They're effeminate. I want to. I just want to try a pair on and see what that feels like.

Speaker 4

Oh you're talking the Tuckets, the Tuckets, yeah.

Speaker 3

The Nantuckets? Wow, I don't know, get us somewhere else I like this.

Speaker 4

I like starting off the show with a bang. I really do.

Speaker 1

Fun time. We'll go to some other stuff. You guys came to the Nashville show.

Speaker 3

Yes, it was awesome. It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1

Always kind of a crazy evening for us. But awesome knowing you guys were out there, love you guys, we were talking about too.

Speaker 3

A lot of people showed up. John Rich came said hi, Talking about how much fun he had on the podcast. Riley Gaines was there Same thing. But yeah, like Tully said, it actually gets a little insane yeah.

Speaker 4

I can't imagine how insane it is for you guys in town having a show in town, everybody that wants to come back.

Speaker 3

It's just how many people would you say were back there. It was insane. We were back there, maybe 120-ish, just where we were. And all those people are friends or people you know and you're trying to say hi, it's a lot, it's a lot.

Speaker 1

It was a fun time I was telling Neil Kurt maybe you agree or disagree, I don't know we played the arena in Nashville eight times, times, nine times, something like that. Right, for some reason I don't know it's because maybe it's the you know, 20 year anniversary of the first album, or whatever I personally felt like it was the first time we played a show where it was like we didn't feel like we had anything to prove. For me, is this we just having a great time, like for all. I always felt like in the years past, like we were still trying to prove ourself and I just felt like we were like it was a big club it was the most fun.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it was a nashville show me too.

Speaker 1

I felt like it was a. It was almost like everybody was like welcoming us back to play in nashville we've been doing it so long almost like they were really appreciative of the moment and the catalog of songs and the hits and it just felt like we're playing a big bar and didn't feel like any of us at least.

Speaker 3

I don't know why I felt that way, it was a lot of fun too. I felt jason was the same way. Yeah, I had more fun.

Speaker 1

I had more fun, because usually it's such a stiff feeling like you're trying to impress everybody.

Speaker 3

You don't mean to All your business. People are there.

Speaker 1

It just happens that way.

Speaker 3

You feel like everybody you've known for all these years, and it's inevitable because, whatever you guys are in the crowd, I want to make sure we're playing your songs. Great, I want to make sure we're playing your songs. It's like, and then you multiply that by everybody that's there. Whatever michael knox, he's a producer. You want to make sure it sounds great for him, and so there's. Yeah, there are different thoughts so pressure?

Speaker 4

well, you got to think about it. I mean, how many people from your publishing company, how many people from your label, how many people from management? How many family and friends were there of all of those people?

Speaker 1

it's a ton, well cool moment and I knew we'd had a good night. I could feel it as we were playing the show. It was loose and fun. And Kevin Neal, who really has been with us since the very, very beginning, he texted all of us after we left that night for Indy to go play another show and he texts us this really long text about how he was so proud and that was one of the best things he'd seen. And and and from Kevin coming from Kevin, who's seen us play about 5,000 times. It was that's how we felt during the show. I felt like we were having that kind of night, but when Kevin says it, you know, he's kind of like the godfather of our whole band in a way, cause he's been there from the very beginning. So that was kind of cool. It was, like you know, I knew as we were having fun and I could feel like every song was being played with a lot of emotion that night and it always feel that way.

Speaker 2

But it was kind of a cool moment and that's more more so than I felt, yeah, yeah because we always, if we go to a show, you know we're going to go out front, you know where the board is and everything, so you can. You know one we want to hear everything sounds, but also want to be able to look around at all the fans, even the ones in the very top in the back, and it's interesting to to us to listen and look around at the songs that they are singing just the chorus to, and then ones that they're singing the entire song to and you just kind of study it as a writer's like's like. Is that the cadence? Is it the melody? Why are they doing that? So you can try to learn something from that.

Speaker 2

But it sounded great and you guys were loose and Alden included, like the whole band, and I knew you guys were having fun, especially Dew over there, because he was bopping around and wearing the guitar out and everything. He's on the side of the stage just grinning like a whole different, you know, whole different. His pants were falling down.

Speaker 4

Yeah Well, that was part of the show, kurt's pants were falling down, that's part of the loose ones.

Speaker 3

That's part of the loose ones I'm so glad you wear boxers, because you could see them I knew they were boxers, I could tell.

Speaker 4

Am I right? You are right.

Speaker 1

Yes, I am too, but it felt like we were playing a show. It could have been anywhere, but it was for some reason that night. It just felt like it was special. Yeah, it just felt different. It felt like they were. The crowd was almost like everybody in the industry was welcoming us back versus critiquing everything. It almost like we've reached a certain point where you know it's 20 years out 30 number ones. It felt like we have nothing left to prove. We just keep doing what we're doing and I don't know it's 20 years out 30 number ones. It felt like we have nothing left to prove. We said just keep doing what we're doing.

Speaker 1

And, uh, I don't know it was just, you know, we're kind of a dying breed. I was telling kayla, like one of the last few bands to actually play music live, and oh yeah, go out there. And it's kind of a lost art to some extent. You know, um, but anyway it was it was?

Speaker 4

it was great and loud and extremely entertaining.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it was so good, uh, you were talking about listening to what songs people sing the most. I'd love to get your guys perspective, because obviously we have, in years in which you control what you hear, sometimes they put crowd mics and you feel the energy with the inner, with the in ears, um you're to tell it's.

Speaker 4

It's hard to tell, really yeah sometimes do you ever want to take them out, and and well and experience, you might want to, but then you're going to lose your mix.

AI's Impact on Songwriting

Speaker 2

I get that yeah so, but there are certain songs that you know like, for whatever reason, big green tractor always seems and that was one that that that stood out from the get-go and that's an older hit, but a massive hit, and they sang every word of that as loud as they could.

Speaker 1

Yeah, how was it? Try that in a small town. That was loud, that was loud too.

Speaker 4

You can see throughout the whole show. You can see there's a sea of phones, of iPhones and cell phones going up. Everywhere the lights come. You can see them rise because where we were sitting back behind the board, we get to see the lights.

Speaker 4

We get to see the lit up part of the phone when it comes up. And as soon as that intro came in, it was like a sea of phones went whoosh and it kind of, you know, throughout the show. Depending on what your favorite song of the show is, or Jason's is, you can kind of gauge it by the amount of phones that come up.

Speaker 3

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4

Because they want to get that moment. And when that song came on, it was one of those moments and there was a few of them, a handful of moments that happened, but especially on Try that, that in a small town it was like everyone was like I mean it just lit up and every night on this tour it's that way.

Speaker 1

Oh my god, that song, it's hitting harder, you know, and and he's he's not really saying much in front of it this year. He's letting the song just speak for itself, which is a and and. The minute we launched into that opening riff I I can see what you're feeling out there the phones go up, a different energy comes in, and it's a positive energy, it's a. It's different than when that first came out.

Speaker 3

It's just like it feels even more positive than yeah, where it used to be rebellious, almost yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1

And now right, right, right, something unifying almost where it's like okay, people are even getting you know more of the message. I think they're understanding more of it, yeah the song will never die.

Speaker 3

Who was the? I saw on instagram somebody posted they had you from the back when the flyover states came on country wire

Speaker 2

wasn't country wire country yeah well, yeah, I think it was night train.

Speaker 4

Yeah, well because you had it. Oh, it was night train. Yep, it was night train. Yeah, that was a little part of the show.

Speaker 2

I think there's three songs in a row, three, three to four in a row and, oh, did you end it with track because we could see the set list, which is cool because rachel was there and she took a picture of the set list, which is very cool and one you keep up with, it see where we are. But um, and she got we and she took a picture of her, looked at I said, oh, neil's got his own section, I think my daughter alley, was videoing me from behind. I didn't know she was video.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I didn't know she was videoing that and when I guess what, during night train she was videoing me and I was standing next to my wife, lana, and we were standing there leaning on the rail behind the board and and I'm just looking at the crowd I start looking at the crowd like this and watching people down here and she's videoing the people that I'm looking at and I guess Country Wire picked up her video that she posted and then reposted it. That's great.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it was so cool. That's got to be such a cool. I mean, we have a unique experience of being able to play songs we've written on stage, which is incredible, but it's got to be an interesting feeling to be in the crowd to hear it.

Speaker 4

Oh yeah, dude, it's like and kaylo can tell you this too. It's like that's the, that's, that's the one time when I realize what we do and what we've done, what we've been blessed to accomplish over the years. That's when I I really really appreciate it is when you see 20,000 fans singing something that you created years ago. It's been a really. It's the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 2

It's the biggest reward. You know like to be a part of a song. We're all writers and stuff and it's not, you know, getting the check from it. You know, or whatever. Getting a check from a song is the that just tells you the song's over. You know, whatever, getting a check from song is the that just tells you the song's over.

Speaker 2

You know it's already paying out, you know so. But just when you hear, you know that you guys play it and Aldine sing it in front of that many people and they're singing it, it's like all right, it's the coolest thing ever. And you know at that point you're still in the game, so it's really fun you know it a really interesting tour.

Speaker 1

I think kurt will agree. Every tour has its thing. It's always different in its own way for some reason. This one it's like a resurgence. In everything it's like a. The crowds have been outstanding. Like you know, we put night train back in the set this year. They go crazy over that. They go crazy over the truth. They go crazy over the new stuff. They go crazy they go crazy.

Speaker 4

Whatever y'all put, it's like that they're gonna go, it's just something and we've spent.

Speaker 1

You know the band's been together 25 years. You know we spent most of our life playing on the stage together and there's a different feeling. Um, for some reason, in this one and it's it's almost like it's crossed over another threshold, where it's like people are just enjoying the whole catalog of songs, even the older ones it's been Do you feel?

Speaker 3

that? Oh no, without a doubt, and it's interesting. I know we've talked about this before too, but with the demographic it was like there was a stretch there where it was just the fans getting older with us, right. But now you're seeing the 16, 17, 18 to 22-year-olds come again. I was like, oh wow, they're just discovering this stuff.

Speaker 2

Yeah, exactly, it's really neat.

Speaker 4

Yeah, it's really cool it was awesome and you guys still bring it. You guys are badasses.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Well, we only have to work for 90 minutes a day.

Speaker 4

It's fantastic.

Speaker 1

How about the feel-free thing?

Speaker 4

You guys actually get paid for being away from home.

Speaker 3

Oh yeah, no, you get paid for the other 22 and a half hours. You get paid for playing.

Speaker 4

You do that for free every night.

Speaker 1

Yeah, well, and we've been really lucky that for free every night, yeah well, and we've been. We've been really lucky. The older I get, the more I think about this. How lucky we've been to be able to be a band together for all these years and travel together, you know, and there was times in the 90s when we were all doing side man work with other. So we, we know what it's like when it's not that way.

Speaker 1

But we've been so fortunate for 20, some years now, seriously 23 years like to be able to be a band and and make the albums and travel around and not have that feeling where you're a sideman, like I don't think I could ever do that, where it's like having that connection to the music has has meant so much to us. You know it's like it's uh, it's been. You know we're very blessed. Yeah, for sure. You know, get on the, even when we get on the bus and travel, we're, you know, got our best friends. Yeah, you know so, and we go make music and it's and it's a band, it's, it's, it's very, very, a very interesting situation that's we're very blessed to be in, you know and then you get to come back and see us, oh yeah again another blessing great what an amazing reunion but it was though.

Speaker 1

it was awesome though, seriously until like, I remember that night in nashville it made me feel so good knowing you guys were out there, because it is a family. You know what I mean and it was really cool to know that you guys were out there. Jim didn't come, but I wasn't invited Really, is that?

Speaker 3

why you didn't come I wasn't invited.

Speaker 1

No, I told him. Jim says he wasn't invited. Well, I told him because I assumed that Rich was getting him tickets.

Speaker 3

That's a good assumption but yeah, that's an awesome assumption.

Speaker 5

I I wouldn't put any stress on you guys, because I know it's a busy show yeah, it is uh, see you guys in detroit but um, there you go it's gonna be better.

Speaker 4

Well, you'll actually get to hang with, yeah, well not with me, but I will say, oh go ahead

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Speaker 3

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Yeah, we got to hang with them. They were. There's nobody in that whole arena more pumped than those guys, nobody, they are fired. They were hugging me, picking me up.

Speaker 4

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Speaker 3

This is the most amazing thing ever. They are incredible and they've been out with us pretty much at every show.

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They just did something really cool for us down in Kurt. Was it Houston? I don't know if it was Dallas or Houston, so they have this really great photographer.

Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

Oh yeah, you think people know who we are tk I don't think they'll know when you introduce us.

Speaker 2

I don't think they'll still know kaylo thrash.

Speaker 3

I'm kurt Dew, or whatever you want to call me. Kayla. You had something you wanted to bring us to.

Speaker 2

Yes, so either last week or the week before we were talking about AI a little bit, and in that short amount of time my opinion has already changed. Since then Pretty drastically since then Really. As far as songwriting goes, yeah, Just for the way that it it's that's being used, uh okay, so tell people what your opinion was, and now what it is and why in the beginning.

Speaker 2

You know, and I know we talked about it some because it is it's new to me for sure, even though it's been happening for a good while. But, um, it was almost like your first offensive, you know, you're like, you're like, oh, it's going to take over. You know songwriting and that's not. You're not being a, you know, a traditionalist and all that stuff, you know, but as a tool for me and specifically for me, the way, because, not being a melody guy, I can do a couple melodies, but not great, that's not my thing. But we wrote a song just the other day, on Friday, with a couple guys and we were starting something actually for Joe Nichols. We were writing a Joe Nichols song just to kind of get something started, pitch it to him or whatever. And so we spent three or four hours and we got like half of a song, but it was just a regular song, just like Neil or me playing a guitar into your voice, memos, right, and it sounds as good as it's going to sound like that. Playing a guitar into your voice, memos, right, and it sounds as good as it's going to sound like that. And dude uploaded it as the suno and and uh, and in three minutes he had like it was less than three minutes. You get four versions, then you listen to those and you get four more if you say you know, and you can reduce the amount of hey, of the original recording and all that and get crazy stuff and some, a lot of it sounds terrible, you know. They hit the vocalist, goes, but the singer was amazing.

Speaker 2

So anyway, my point in that was and I was watching throughout it was a different publishing company than where I usually write there was three guys during our appointment that came in that were writing something else in in their room to came come into our guy, you know, and say hey, can you come help me for a second. And the last guy said he knocked on the door, said hey, I'm really sorry. He said can, uh, but but can you help? You know, the guitars don't sound natural, you know, but yours always do, and the dude went over there and helped him. But so I'm my. My whole thing was is in just learning in that moment that whole office is using it and they're spitting out songs a lot quicker, meaning that probably the entire row is using it. What I liked it for is is the fact that you can come in, you can write your whole song, and you can. You can leave with a demo that sounds pretty dang good and it mean it was.

Speaker 5

It breaks my heart.

Speaker 3

But yeah.

Speaker 2

And it is definitely there's negatives to it. The first thing I think about is session players and the loss of work and demos and stuff like that. It's the first thing I thought about because that's got to be putting a hurtin' on them for sure, but everybody is using that. I mean, it is going to go, it's going to get more and more and more. But for me I will say it's a tool. And if I just wanted to say hey, well, I'm not going to use it, I'm going to be a traditionalist, I'm going to not even use a laptop, I'm just going to handwrite. You know, I think you're not using all your tools.

Speaker 4

So anyway, I thought it was very helpful. I thought it was very helpful and it just followed what we did. It has its upsides and it has its way downsides. It does.

Speaker 1

I've never even thought to even try to use it, because it doesn't even.

Speaker 4

maybe I'm just, and that's probably why- Well, nobody's going to play bass like you play bass, though I mean just for a day. I was never going to play bass like you play bass, ever.

Speaker 1

It's not going to happen, I mean when I'm writing lyrics or whatever too, like I never thought to Well, we finish a lyric, though we don't let AI write a lyric.

Speaker 4

That never happens.

Speaker 1

I don't mean that there's people in there doing that though.

Speaker 5

No, I don't mean that.

Speaker 1

There's people that are doing that. That's the stuff, and I guess I sound old and that's going to be what it is, but the creativity in this town was so inspiring and to think that these guys have an AI sped out a demo and people are you know, I got one yesterday from a song that I wrote five years ago in my old publishing deal Some old song that nobody ever cared about or whatever and I thought it was a really cool song.

Speaker 4

And all of a sudden yesterday I get a demo from AI from one of the co-writers. Hey man, I still love this song and because he put it through that and it sounded amazing, they fall in love with it again. I'm like, really Seriously, I guess it's just a weird time. Everybody's going back in their catalogs and digging out old songs and they're running them through it and they're and they're putting a lot of people out of work.

Speaker 1

That's the part about it I don't like well it's just, I mean, the beautiful thing about this town like the. I mean I just, you know, remember all the demo sessions we did and all the engineers and all the guys mixing the demos.

Speaker 4

It was so much fun.

Speaker 1

It was just like patrick like you you know, patrick is so good at what he does and just it kind of makes me sad. I guess it's it's the the, that's what happens there's a change in a whole sad element to it.

Speaker 2

I guess it just makes me sad, I guess more than anything you know, and absolutely I think too, though, like when you get, when you really start thinking through it, it's still going to be people like, like, for example, I would use it for expedience or to pitch you guys something that would sound a little better than me playing it. Right, it would still kind of be what I'm, what I'm playing, but but, um, I don't know it was. It was fascinating and a little, a little scary and everything. But I do think when you get to the end of it, like, if I'm not a good melody guy like the AI, you're going to get the most talented people that are doing the work and the producers and people like you guys, your AI demo, whatever you fed in the song you guys write, that day, it's going to be a lot better than the one that I did, because I'm feeding it.

Speaker 2

If I'm just writing the song you guys write, that day, it's going to be a lot better than the one that I did, because I'm feeding it. If I'm just writing by myself. What there's a reason I don't write by myself you know so is because you have weaknesses, you know so, and you and I need other people to write hit songs, right. So those talented people like like you guys, whatever y'all are creating that day the riffs, the melodies it's just going to sound better. So I can't magically become I would never.

Speaker 4

I would never trade in you're right, I would never trade in the magic that happens when we go in with a new song, especially with a curtain tully yeah if we're going in that little room that we have over bmg they have. Yeah, I would never trade that in for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2

Just because you can do something fast.

Speaker 4

It's not going to be as good. No, it's not going to be as good.

Speaker 3

Man, it's just the evolution, I think. And just to play devil's advocate, it's like people didn't used to write with loops and then people didn't used to write with samples, and that goes on. It's been going on for years and that's a form of, not something you created, like, oh, I'm just going to pull this loop, oh, I'm going to pull this sample, uh, tell everybody.

Speaker 4

What a sample is what you're talking?

Speaker 3

about. Uh, it can be a either a keyboard patch or a guitar thing or a loop that's online free, that you can just take and say I need a loop at 80 b beats per minute and I can go listen to a thousand, yeah, and use it royalty free still, but you're still it's a little bit less so than the I'm just saying the evolution, yeah, evolution for sure, and it is some people, some people don't know what a loop is, or they don't know what a you know, I know, I think I just miss the.

Speaker 1

I guess it happens when you get older and things evolve. You know, We've been in this business long enough.

Fan Behavior at Concerts

Speaker 4

We've seen so many changes. I mean, we've been doing it for 30 years and we've seen so many changes, yeah and we've seen so many changes and most of the guys that I've worked with over the last 30 years they just adapt to whatever the new thing is, because everybody else is going to do it and if you don't if you don't utilize some of it, I think the AI thing is going to get old I really really do or it's going to be.

Speaker 4

the better songs are going to stand out more, because everybody's going to be running their stuff through AI. You know it. I know it because everybody's doing it now, especially these younger guys that know how to do it real quick and they know how to manipulate sounds and they can do whatever. Because I don't know how to do that stuff.

Speaker 2

I don't want to spend time even learning that stuff because it takes away time from what I do.

Speaker 4

I think the better songs are going to come out on top still again. I really I hate to see session players get put out of business because they're going to be they're not going to be booking studios and booking players and they have to be already impacted.

Speaker 2

They are well, that's been it.

Speaker 1

They have to be I mean, we used to, back in the day when we're doing demos. We'd do three demo sessions a day. We're going from a 10 and you know we'd run across town and barely make it to. Those are magical days. Know, that's been hit for a few years. Yeah, yeah, like you know, the demo sessions have been. That's already been pretty much squashed, but it does, you know I hate not using real players.

Speaker 4

I hate even the thought of it.

Speaker 2

I know and then I went further of the rabbit hole a little bit, just in thinking and this is a possibility that could happen and I guess, asking you guys, because you are producers also and artists and writers and everything but when, when labels fully buy into and you have enough people bringing them tracks and music and songs and and they play it and say, hey, I love, love that, and they love that, love that, and I said, said yeah, so we did all that in about two hours, and the label says, really, what is there a scenario where the labels start thinking, all right, the listeners aren't going to know the difference.

Speaker 4

It's all about saving money.

Speaker 2

We can sign four times the acts. Do all the we have. The budgets are nothing now because you can just put it in it. You know what I mean. So they can sign more people because music is so much more disposable. Do you think it's a possibility that the labels would get to that point where they just sign so many people and everything's AI?

Speaker 3

The listener doesn't really know, so just so the label can put out more I don't know, I'm probably too old to answer it, but there are ai artists already. I know and they're selling hundreds of thousands, yeah copies, so the answer would probably be yes yeah, yeah I don't know, it's truly depressing.

Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah, it is it really is For the real players like you guys, For anybody creating music, whether you're writers or not.

Speaker 3

It's like you said you would never use it to write lyrics but there's a lot of people doing it.

Speaker 4

It's not going to affect you guys but the ones coming up it is. It's going to affect the real players, oh for sure.

Speaker 1

I think about it all the time are right now and I wouldn't want to be moving here, you know because I still I mean, I, I still love creating music as much as I ever have ever like it's. I hate to feel like you don't have to be creative to create. You know and that and that, and that's what really sucks. It's like you know, grew up loving music and learning how to create it and kind of mastering as best you can your craft or what you're good at, and now you don't have to love it, you just have to make it and it's right there. So it is a little. It's a little, uh, a little sad thanks, kayla.

Speaker 3

Yeah, way to go well, bring us down kayla.

Speaker 2

No, well, on the on the opposite side of that and again I'm just speaking for myself and I was telling Neil, we had a little road trip to North Carolina this weekend.

Speaker 2

To me, as an individual writer if you don't have a write that day or whatever, and you have these ideas, to me it's inspiring that I can put something down and clang clang, clang clang, clang, you know, and put it in there in a key and kind of sing it in there, and the presentation of it is going to sound so much better, you know, and so, and again, that's not, I'm not selling that.

Speaker 4

So, you're not, you know anything like that.

Speaker 2

So for me it was like I can get a lot of these ideas going and they're going to create stuff that sounds legit. So to me it was kind of inspiring.

Speaker 3

The other side of that would be and we should probably move on to a different subject but the other side of that would be the AI created something you think sounds awesome. It also probably took away something you would have created on your own. That's right.

Speaker 2

It could have been better yeah, maybe, except all, and really all I'm talking about is feeding in just a work tape and it's. It's no different to me than you have a work tape. You go in the studio and players make you sound like a genius.

Speaker 3

You know, because they're playing licks I didn't put in there but sometimes you go into demo and they play something that doesn't do what you want it to. To the song.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

I'm just saying, it could be either yeah, anyway, it's a thing, it's a thing.

Speaker 4

From this time moving forward. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the music industry where AI is concerned. It's going to be really really interesting. Yeah, I have no idea where it's going. I think going to be really really interesting.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I have no idea where it's going. I think we'll be watching it from afar.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I don't have any Hopefully from a beach house.

Speaker 5

I'm with Tully, I'm with Tully on this.

Speaker 4

I'm like, I'm so thankful that we got to experience everything that we did for the last 25 or 30 years, the way it was done Me too, and we were a part of that, because it's it was really magical, looking back on it.

Speaker 1

It really was the excitement of like running to studios and and doing sessions and people running songs all over town, dropping them off, like physically doing, like. There was excitement there and it's it it is.

Speaker 4

I'm glad I wish our listeners could, could, could grasp what it used to be like when people, when songpluggers, were running our songs across town and literally running into each other on Music Row trying to get this song to George Strait or this song over here to Trace Atkins or whoever. We're trying to make these records and we're trying to get songs on these records and they're hand-delivering these songs and you just don't see it anymore it just doesn't happen like that anymore and and music row is going north with all the buildings and everything you can.

Speaker 3

It's almost unrecognizable anymore for sure we can't end this podcast without talking about one of our listeners.

Speaker 1

Waiting for this Is it already over Wow that's Lou.

Speaker 3

Well, yeah, we're getting close, but Jim has brought it to our attention.

Speaker 5

Do you have a mic or do you need to just talk loudly? Do you have a camera or do you need a camera? Just holler, I have a camera. Can I use my camera? Hold on.

Speaker 3

I thought your camera made the board go bad.

Speaker 2

No, Okay do your thing, use your camera Jim, here's Jim's debut.

Speaker 3

It'll either be one week, or yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, give us feedback, isn't he lovely?

Speaker 5

So yes, amazing DV, I have a camera but no mic.

Speaker 4

Why is it always?

Speaker 5

No, I can hear myself. I'll just scream really loudly.

Speaker 4

Thank you, there you go, so from.

Speaker 5

AmazingDV from the Wayland episode.

Speaker 4

Him again.

Speaker 5

Yes him again. How dare you, thrash? Excuse me of throwing anything at anybody. I truly was expecting you to bring up my name once Tully brought up the subject of fans throwing objects on stage. The only thing I would throw are words at you.

Speaker 4

Wow he really hates you.

Speaker 5

In the form of honest discussion In person if you were to have me on the show, as I was asked back in January of 05, but I guess thrash chickened out.

Speaker 3

Oh, on January of 05?

Speaker 5

Yeah, however, it is nice to see that my honest comments about the flow of the show, are still living rent-free in your hands, wow.

Speaker 3

Yo yeah the amazing DV, the amazing.

Speaker 4

Coming strong In your face.

Speaker 3

yeah, although I'm trying to remember what happened. We were talking about people throwing stuff on stage what did I say?

Speaker 5

I don't know. That's not it. It keeps going oh my gosh listen, it does read more well, read the rest yeah. Curt and Tully. I hope things do calm down about the objects being thrown on stage. Funny how now I only see this happening at country music shows. I don't see them at R&B performers, heavy metal or pop music shows. This is only for country music. It must really say something about the type of people who go to these shows.

Speaker 3

You don't insult our fans.

Speaker 5

Probably Proud Boys or some other type of ultra-conservative.

Speaker 4

Wow.

Speaker 5

Oh, amazing, I know it's amazing DB now.

Speaker 4

I'm saying it no, if DB is he like insulting country music fans.

Speaker 3

I don't know if he intended to, but it does sound like it.

Speaker 1

Well, I will say this um it's. It's definitely an us problem with this, the stuff being thrown on stage, like I'm meaning?

Speaker 3

what uh meaning? What was, what was he?

Speaker 4

talking about me throwing stuff at him. What's he talking about?

Speaker 1

I don't what did I say, but wait, but are you talking about the format? It could be. I mean, I did like we were over, like okay, we went to see Oasis on the first night of the reunion tour. It was amazing 80,000 people there, the whole, generally just kids having the time of their life. No one threw one thing up. I've been looking All the clips I've seen have happened at country shows and I'm not sure why that is, and I'm sure it's not just country shows. I'm sure that it's happening when our boys are playing somewhere. I'm sure someone's throwing some stuff up on stage. It's not just country music, but I think it's a here in the US problem. I think it's. I've been looking at clips of shows and I'm not seeing maybe it's happening. It just seems like it's happening a lot, like in, or maybe just seeing more of it in the country music genre it's happening a lot. I just saw a clip.

Speaker 3

Maybe Megan Maroney got something rolled at her and we just got a text. Yeah, so it is happening at country and pop. Yeah, yeah, baby Rexha. Country and Pop. Yeah, yeah, baby Rexa. Kelsey Ballerini, whatever you want to call her.

Speaker 4

Ava Max Drake, billie Eilish. I'm trying to go back to what.

Speaker 1

It's everybody, it's happening. I just don't know why people feel like it's okay to do it.

Speaker 4

That's why I don't know what's he talking about when he directed that question at me. What's were talking?

Speaker 3

about people throwing stuff up.

Speaker 4

oh, it's probably amazing TV oh he was the one doing it Like he was the one doing it.

Speaker 3

I don't know that that was comedy.

Speaker 4

That was not deducting, that was comedy amazing, it's a comedy. It wasn't a literal statement, right. I was just you know, you and I got a thing going. That's fantastic.

Speaker 5

You're right it is actually.

Speaker 4

Whatever, I hope I get to meet you one day, jim did you invite him on the show I?

Speaker 5

reached out to him and we talked about having him on. Oh, to have a. I encouraged him to do the talk-bump, the speed bump.

Speaker 3

Yeah, we should be encouraging everyone to do that. Oh, yeah, for sure, we need to pin that to our Instagram. And if people wonder what it is you go to the link, you do your question via audio. We play it here, people hear your question and then we answer. I'd love to hear Amazing DV's voice. That would be great. Actually, yes, just challenge.

Speaker 1

Amazing DV. Leave us a question on Speak Byte. I think it would be great, and I love leave us a question on speak, but I think it'd be great yeah, and I love that he should ask.

Speaker 3

Ask the tough questions. Yeah, thrash can take it. Look at just a country shows to this point.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think I do think it's uh, for, and for some reason I feel like that could be crazy. Maybe it's just feel free stuff got me all jacked up, but I don't know what it is. But do you guys think it's because social media has made the fans feel like they're closer than they actually are to the artists, like they've, for some reason, the fans feel like it's okay to throw stuff, and I don't know if it's because it's called alcohol. Well, but dude, we've, seriously, we've been on the road for a very long time. Occasionally there'd be a stage jumper. A person would hop up on stage Very rarely, once a year. People are throwing stuff and I don't know why they feel like it's okay, it's weird.

Speaker 3

They throw the Zen cans, they throw phones, they throw. They just want a selfie when they throw a phone.

Speaker 1

They don't understand what that looks like when you're up there.

Speaker 2

Yeah, selfie when they throw a phone. They don't understand what that looks like when you're up there. Yeah, that, what that a cell phone can hurt if it hits. I mean, my gut would say they're. They're not because they they paid to be there, right? So you would think that they were fans to begin with, that they must be getting footage of it to put out on their insta or whatever their social media say. Hey, I'm the one that I threw a fake baseball or a wiffle ball at Luke Bryan. You know, ha-ha. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5

It's weird.

Speaker 2

It's weird but I don't know if you, because if you?

Speaker 1

I don't know. I mean, they're going to have to, like, end up having more. This is why it's going to suck for everyone else. They're going to end up having more security there, who will immediately toss them out, and maybe people that didn't didn't even throw something will get tossed out because they think they're part of it. It's got to stop, though. You can't, you maybe that's what it is. I know it's it used to be panties and bras yeah soft, soft stuff.

Speaker 4

That's yeah, soft item very respectful yes you know, and now they're throwing hard items. It's just not right. They need to get back to the panties and bras.

Speaker 3

Yeah, you know, I was thinking about what Tully said. When we saw Oasis overseas Not only was it a great crowd, I mean they were into it energy-wise there were almost no phones up. There were no phones. Bizarrelyly, nobody was doing phones. They were watching, they were taking it awesome.

Speaker 1

They were taking it, and that's my question like are we so unbelievable. Are we so like?

Speaker 5

yes, I think we are. I think we are.

Speaker 1

We're so into the phones and they're missing the actual moment. But and these, this was a young crowd like oasis, like it was amazing, the whole front of the stage.

Speaker 3

They were raucous, they were having a great time.

Speaker 1

But really everybody's having a great time. Not a single phone, they're just taking it in. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, it was really cool.

Speaker 3

I felt like an idiot filming.

Speaker 4

I know we were filming.

Speaker 1

You were the only follow-up americans. But I would love to ask someone who's throwing stuff on stage what you're trying to accomplish, because it just makes us pissed like and it's it's gonna have a negative effect on the live experience at some point. Um, you know, because someone I mean when you're up there and you get something thrown at your face like it's not a good feeling, and you're trying to perform and you're out there and for the most part you know it hasn't happened. I feel like it's happened to us very rare happened in Canada with the phone. I feel like for the most part, people have been awesome at our shows, like once it happened. But I'm seeing on, seeing it on Instagram quite a bit and maybe we're just seeing it all because everybody's posting it.

Speaker 4

I mean it's all directed at you.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and maybe a listener can help us if they've been to a concert and seen somebody do that, or maybe they've done that they could give us a comment or something and tell us why they're. I gotta tell phil led to do it. I gotta tell amazing bv I I didn't.

Speaker 4

I wasn't meaning you were lit, you were the one literally throwing stuff at anybody. It was a joke. It's comedy. Maybe. Maybe conservative people get comedy better than liberal people. I don't know.

Speaker 2

Nobody said he's a conservative liberals aren't very funny.

Speaker 1

That's what he said. He's a conservative. Yeah, nobody said he's a conservative. Liberals aren't very funny. He did, that's what he said. He did say he's a conservative.

Speaker 4

He's a conservative. Yes, yeah, that's what he said. Well, why does he hate me then?

Speaker 1

I don't know, because you're a proud boy.

Speaker 4

I'm proud. Hell yeah, I'm proud. What is that? By the way, I'm proud. Heck yeah, I'm a proud boy.

Speaker 1

Where are the proud boys? What do they do?

Speaker 3

Somebody got the answer to that.

Speaker 2

Not an intelligent one.

Speaker 4

No it has something to do with some white supremacist thing. I think it's a racist thing, it's like I have no earthly idea.

Speaker 1

And racism.

Speaker 4

I don't have anything. I don't know anything about what that is, the proud boys or whatever, but I will say that I am a boy and I'm proud to be a boy. I'm just.

Speaker 2

You know you can't lump me in with with any kind of racist, anything agreed speaking of being a boy so what, we were on this trip to north carolina, neil and I, this last weekend to go raise some money for some kids you guys camp out and uh mountain stuff.

The Mystery of Farmers' Overalls

Speaker 2

No, we actually uh stayed at hampton it was very nice hampton inn um, very nice, the coffee wasn't great, but uh, outside of that. But you know, you know, on a five and a half hour drive you cover a lot of topics and somehow we got on overalls. You remember the overalls, you said you, you were intrigued by it oh no, that was that.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I was. I don't know what we were talking about, but I'm. We were talking about farmers. We were talking about actual subject matter that related to our song try that in a small town and for whatever reason. We were talking about farmers and farming, yeah, and then I got to thinking I think we were talking about. I asked you why did all the farmers back in the 70s and the 60s wear overalls? What was the kick with the overall with farmers? Did you look it up?

Speaker 2

Yeah, they feel very freeing, easy to put on.

Speaker 4

I don't know, did you ever own overalls?

Speaker 2

No, I never wore them.

Speaker 4

Really no, I mean, I have I had a pair.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I never wore them Really. No, I have. I had a pair. Yeah, I did as a kid too. If anybody can tell us why?

Speaker 4

farmers wore overalls.

Speaker 3

It's like a one-piece.

Speaker 4

It's a jumpsuit. Basically it's a redneck jumpsuit, it is kind of a redneck jumpsuit. That's all it is, that's amazing it's just a redneck jump seat and it's almost like the makers of them put that zipper pocket right here for the Marlboro Reds.

Speaker 2

Or the.

Speaker 4

Levi.

Speaker 3

Garrett or something and a pencil.

Speaker 4

And a pen. Maybe you shouldn't, but I'm going. Was it a fashion thing?

Speaker 2

back, then here I got to put on my old man clothes. One of your comments was you thought it might be for venting no, it's been a ventilation.

Speaker 4

Fantastic for with the overalls definitely. I mean there's just underwear you don't have to wear. Not a lot of sweat going on, there's a little bit of that.

Speaker 3

Farmers wore overalls primarily for their durability, protection and practicality and the demanding conditions of farm work protection the loose fit and sturdy fabric provided comfort and freedom of movement while also shielding them from dirt, scrapes and the elements. Also offered ample pocket space for tools and other essentials. Increasing during our increasing efficiency during okay, I buy that.

Speaker 4

To me it was more than.

Speaker 3

We should do the next podcast with overalls.

Speaker 4

I think it was a fashion fad.

Speaker 1

I know why I think we should. I know why it just came to me. It's so obvious. Well, I just solved it.

Speaker 2

Well, let's hear it.

Speaker 1

It's very clear to me. I know why.

Speaker 4

Why.

Speaker 1

Because they don't fall down. There's no belt, hold on.

Speaker 3

Maybe you should start wearing overalls on stage Courage gave my wife an incredible idea.

Speaker 1

That's why, though, Absolutely, because you know when you get to work and it's hot out there, I've heard it's hot when you work. Yeah, your pants can fall down, as you know, during the battle of a show, but that's why there's got to be something to that.

Speaker 4

But you know what blows my mind. I know that's what it is. Here's what blows my mind, I know that's what it is.

Speaker 1

Here's what blows my mind.

Speaker 4

I did it, I'm going okay, there were a lot of kids born back then, when the overall fad was going on. There's a lot of kids, a lot of kids, okay, okay. What is sexy about daddy walking in at the end of the day in a pair of overalls? Well, maybe. Unless he just drops them all at once.

Speaker 2

He could shower you know, he doesn't wear them to bed, but also overalls. He just goes poof and there he is.

Speaker 4

That's kind of like is that what it is? Because?

Speaker 3

that's not sexy. Overalls are not sexy at all. I'm going to blow your mind like Tully. Here's my theory. You're saying there was more reproduction then. Maybe the loose fit kept your sperm more active. Now all the tight skinny jeans, you just said sperm.

Speaker 1

My sperm has always been active. You said sperm on the podcast. I saw it.

Speaker 2

My God, that's what's happening All those tight skinny jeans.

Speaker 1

Yes that theory may hold up Can you see the old farmers out there in skinny jeans.

Speaker 4

Now in the description of this podcast it's going to read and it's going to say sperm. I think Kurt's on to something. I think the ventilation.

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 4

Yep, yep, I think. The ventilation, the free swinging everything.

Speaker 3

Will you come do the next podcast? In overalls, I will. I will.

Speaker 1

I think it's because they don't fall down. They don't have to wear a belt At the end of a long hot day. The pants aren't stretched out. The overalls are buttoned here. They're not going anywhere. That's what it is.

Speaker 2

Maybe, but if that's true, I wonder why the plumbers didn't catch on to it. That's why you're K-Lo.

Speaker 3

That's why you're K-Lo.

Speaker 2

That's why you're K-Lo, you know what.

Speaker 4

I mean.

Speaker 5

You blew my whole thing out of the water.

Speaker 4

Exactly.

Speaker 1

But plumbers are working inside most of the time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I know, but they would hide all the cracks if they wore the overalls.

Speaker 4

I'm wearing overalls next next episode please do, I'll do it, I'm doing it and I'm putting my leg on the table oh my gosh for ventilation.

Speaker 2

I'm doing it it's been a lot of fun. I wonder how many overalls they could sell if sydney sweeney was doing the overall thing too.

Speaker 1

That might be another thing what a sad what that really shows the craziness of people. You had a beautiful girl and a nice ad. Why do we have to ruin everything? Who doesn't like denim?

Speaker 2

Seriously, come on, I don't even know what the hell y'all are talking about Really?

Speaker 4

No, I do not. No, I don't. I have a life. This is kind of old news. What are you talking?

Speaker 2

about, but it's kind of old news I don't know what are you talking? About, but it's, it's american eagle right yeah they're, they're blue jeans. So sydney sweeney did a blue sydney sweeney she's a very beautiful actress actress, model, you know okay um, anyway she did a what I would consider a tasteful jean commercial and anyway got a lot of flack from it, because I think the tagline or somewhere in the commercial said Sydney has good jeans, right, but everybody took it jeans because she's white and not blue jeans.

Speaker 4

Oh, they turned it race.

Speaker 1

Okay, very quick, they made a race thing out of it immediately. Insanity yeah, freaking insanity.

Speaker 4

And racism.

Speaker 2

And then, just like you, you know, try that in small town because people hated it on one side. Uh, they've. I did not see. The company has never received more.

Speaker 4

I haven't watched the news guys I haven't watched the news in months, I decided I went. I went on a new strike.

Speaker 3

I actually have been doing a little bit of that too. Yeah, I do glance at X, so I guess that's the news.

Speaker 1

I've been the opposite. I've been inundated with news, really.

Speaker 3

Really.

Speaker 1

Yeah. I don't know why, really, I haven't watched Neil that's part of it there, okay.

Speaker 2

Very tasteful.

Speaker 4

That's the ad. Nothing wrong with it. It looks like overalls almost, yep.

Speaker 3

I mean it's insane. I mean it's insane. You think we get Sydney Sweeney home? Yes, okay, maybe, jim, she can defend herself. She is in Florida and she's a registered Republican.

Speaker 4

Yep, let's get her on and she can defend herself. Okay.

Speaker 3

And what Yep, yep, oh, yeah, on and uh, she can defend herself.

Speaker 2

Yeah, okay, and what, yep, yep oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, that's a good that's a good idea.

Speaker 4

We have, we've talked about rory that's a great idea that's a great one and he can help us.

Speaker 5

We can do a follow-up I'll ask him about the ventilation great idea yeah we bounced around a lot but it was fun leave a comment.

Speaker 3

What's your favorite?

Speaker 4

we went from and racism in the nfl to you guys just be careful on the road out there. Y'all have how much tour left? About half left yeah, we got.

Speaker 3

We got a couple months. When we're gonna, you guys are gonna come out again when are we gonna get al dean back on?

Speaker 4

you know what?

Speaker 1

maybe very soon, a couple weeks from now, very soon, very soon. He hasn't been home actually. So we were on tour West Coast. We came home for three days. He stayed out to do a photo shoot for the new album. So he hasn't been home really, and I think he's stayed out with Brittany to go see her family this week. I mean, he hasn't been home for more than two days.

Speaker 4

He hasn't been home in two months, two days, and this will be, this will be a release for him.

Speaker 1

Get him here yep, he'll be on. Well, it's college football time too.

Speaker 4

So yeah, we have to pick that back up britney will be on soon, we'll have to separate them. We want separate episodes, so good, amazing dv. We gotta get him on and please more questions for neil amazing dv all my, all my answers are going to be the same uh, but also hey if you're leaving uh, comments on youtube, which you need to do.

Speaker 3

Leave us a review to give us the five stars, all that, but do go to the speak pipe and we're going to pin it on our instagram, so do that. Leave us an audio message as well, because that'll be fun that'd be great, and that would be great. And let us know if you wear overalls.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

We have big guests coming up.

Speaker 3

Big guests.

Speaker 4

Big guests, a lot of big things, no.

Speaker 3

Watch out. Hopefully some big news soon.

Speaker 2

Yes, it's happening, it's happening, I'm telling you it's happening.

Speaker 3

No, it is happening for sure. Let's see. Do we need to talk about patriot mobile? We talked about e-spaces.

Speaker 2

It's been incredible, incredible, love the studio original glory.

Speaker 3

I did try those uh beer most that's pretty good, pretty good right, yeah yeah, pretty good, you guys need to check that out. Absolutely, uh, and we're getting.

Speaker 4

Hey, we're getting ready to get some merch up. We're getting ready to launch a new merch line.

Speaker 3

What are we going to get? Hats, hey leave us a comment what you want the most. Hats seem like a great oh yeah, hats, hats, mugs and shirts. Hats and shirts.

Speaker 4

Shirts. Absolutely Overall, it's maybe in the yeah hoodies, maybe too.

Speaker 2

Now We've got fall coming, it's a good idea.

Speaker 3

All right, that's coming. We appreciate you guys for TK K-Lo Thrash. I'm Curt. This is the Try that in a Small Town podcast.