Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
Try That in a Small Town Podcast
From One Tree Hill to Nashville: Jana Kramer's Journey :: Ep 71 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
Jana Kramer, the actress, singer, podcast host, and mother joins us to pull back the curtain on the entertainment industry's less glamorous realities and share how she's found her authentic voice through it all.
Jana's story begins with remarkable determination – handing her headshot to a soap opera actor while waitressing in Detroit, then convincing a casting director she lived in New York to land her first role. This fearlessness carried her through roles on Friday Night Lights and One Tree Hill before an unexpected pivot to country music during a writers' strike revealed another dimension of her talent.
What makes Jana's perspective so refreshing is her willingness to acknowledge both her strengths and limitations. "I don't have the Carrie Underwood voice," she admits, explaining how she instead leaned into emotional authenticity and stage presence. This honesty extends to her candid revelations about industry politics – from being told her CRS performance caused single failures to restrictions on her acting career while pursuing music. Her observations about women in country radio illuminate persistent gender disparities that continue despite the success of predecessors like Faith Hill and Shania Twain.
Beyond career insights, Jana opens up about personal growth through therapy, the challenges of balancing touring with Dancing with the Stars competition, and finding joy in her current focus on acting and podcasting. Her experience hosting multiple weekly podcast episodes echoes our own journey – navigating when to speak candidly versus holding back, and finding purpose in connecting with listeners despite occasional backlash.
Whether you're a longtime fan from her One Tree Hill days, discovered her through country radio hits like "I Got the Boy," or are new to her story, Jana's resilience and multifaceted career offer inspiration for anyone navigating creative industries while staying true to themselves. Listen now to this conversation that feels less like an interview and more like friends catching up over coffee – or perhaps a bottle of wine, as Jana would prefer.
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Speaker 2:Like a cross promo.
Speaker 1:You ask us questions, we ask you questions Stay tuned. Who's your least?
Speaker 2:favorite artist.
Speaker 1:Neil, who do you got? Are you friends with Mary Morris? I?
Speaker 2:don't know her personally, but she's always, you know, been, she was always nice, but we were never friendly, I mean, we weren't like friends you know, but she's always been.
Speaker 1:We weren't either.
Speaker 2:There's something really classic and iconic about the Flyover States. You know it's a song that you can listen to I mean, you can listen to that one too. It's Try them Small Town but I don't know. There's something that just feels like in 20 years it's still going to stay in the test of time.
Speaker 4:I've never heard of a label telling an artist that the reason a single didn't work was because of your performance.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I've never heard that.
Speaker 4:Well, they're going to say anything Usually say oh, it's the manager. The manager says that's the label.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, they're going to put any blame they can, but not on themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I think was the thing that always carried with me too. You're still not good enough.
Speaker 6:The Try that isn't carried with me too. You're still not good enough.
Speaker 5:The try that in a small town podcast begins. All right, welcome back. This is a try that in a small town podcast coming to you from the patriot mobile studios powered by e spaces. We're loving it. Fun and different coming up today.
Speaker 6:Fun and different.
Speaker 4:Fun, and different.
Speaker 5:Yes, we have a very famous actress, country music singer. I guess she's a Author Author. She's also a podcast host. She's a dancer.
Speaker 4:She's a mother. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5:She does it all, jana Kramer. She does it all. Jana Kramer's coming on with us. Have you guys seen any of her podcasts? By the way, not yet.
Speaker 1:But I haven't seen the podcast. I mean, we're not really the demographic yeah, but it's yeah, she only has women on hers, apparently.
Speaker 5:I think it's a lot of women.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they talk about women's stuff. Do do they like about men?
Speaker 3:I don't know, probably so I don't know I guess it's probably not the safe zone for us all women I mean I'm scared, probably much deserved some of it, yeah, some of it yeah, but I don't
Speaker 4:know, I don't know.
Speaker 5:We'll have to listen to it and see, uh, but she's gonna be fun. I mean, we remember from, obviously, the country music stint. I have to ask do you remember what years that was? I mean it's all running together.
Speaker 3:Now it's like 2012 or something.
Speaker 5:It was in the 10s through 15s, 10s through 14s, but we met her back in the day and she was great, but of course she was on One Tree Hill.
Speaker 4:One Tree Hill, which was huge, friday.
Speaker 5:Night. Lights which is a huge TV show.
Speaker 3:She has some cool things going on. It'll be fun.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. We don't want to waste any time because it's going to be a great conversation. We're going to get right to it here with Jana Kramer. All right, Jana, thanks for being here. We appreciate you. Thank you for having me. I'm kind of nervous. Janna's here.
Speaker 2:She does her?
Speaker 5:own podcast. I don't know if you guys have seen any of it yeah we should be very intimidated.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I don't think you guys are great, we're not guests that are big enough to be on her podcast but we're thankful, no, no you guys are always.
Speaker 2:I just didn't think you know, what's funny is that whenever we do have guys on the show most because women are obviously listening they, they like the men, they like when the husbands come on the show more than when we're talking so really more it's more geared toward women. Yeah I mean we talk about like perimenopause and you know all the things that we don't know anything about exactly I have hot flashes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's true, actually to talk to men, since we go through it exactly, victims of it oh well, I mean we wouldn't do well on the podcast yeah, you're talking about.
Speaker 6:I think victims was a very strong word. We're off to a bad start.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we're not a band let's roll this over.
Speaker 6:Here we go.
Speaker 2:Take two, we're individuals, here we go.
Speaker 1:You could actually turn this into one of your podcasts too.
Speaker 2:I could Like a cross-blog cross-promo. You ask us questions.
Speaker 1:We ask you questions.
Speaker 2:Stay tuned.
Speaker 1:Who's your least?
Speaker 2:favorite artist.
Speaker 1:My least favorite artist is Greg. Oh well, let's go there.
Speaker 4:Wow, he's probably the only one that will tell you.
Speaker 1:You probably will say there's more than one. Say one.
Speaker 3:Say one my least favorite artist. Yeah, Active right On the radio right now in the country. Alive. This is great. We never do this. See, Jenna, you're bringing it out.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, I don't man right off the bat.
Speaker 2:Put me right on the spot. You call yourself thrash. He's soft, he's a softie Dang.
Speaker 1:I wasn't expecting this. I need a drink, Wow.
Speaker 5:Okay, so for the people that maybe don't know your podcast, it's the Wind Down podcast. Right, yeah, Wind.
Speaker 2:Down. I've been doing it for seven years on iHeartRadio, so it's been great. Yeah, doing it for seven years on iHeartRadio. So it's been, it's been great. Yeah, so kind of before a lot of the podcasts had started. But it's, it's a love hate relationship, to be honest. So is it? Is it this big? It is so big. No, no, it's not Um, no, it's um. I mean it's been great.
Speaker 2:I've kind of been grandfathered into the iHeart you know team and stuff, um, but it's. The problem is is what I was, you know, chatting about before we started, was a lot of things get taken out of context. It becomes a headline and it's like, ah, and people really just see the, just want to read the headline as opposed to actually listening to the podcast. So there's times where I'll text I heart and be like I'm done, I'm not doing this anymore, like I don't want to do it, and and then there's always that person that responds saying hey, thank you for talking about that today. It really resonated.
Speaker 2:So I'm like oh shoot, I'll do one more week.
Speaker 5:Is it a weekly thing?
Speaker 2:It's a yeah, every Wednesday it airs, and then I've got another one that airs on Thursdays, and then we have guest episodes. We do three episodes a week.
Speaker 5:How do you?
Speaker 1:have time for that. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean that's a lot. Yeah, we usually do it in one day, so it's about three hours in one day.
Speaker 1:That's very intimidating. I wish we could do that, just bring different shirts and let's just get it done.
Speaker 2:Oh, I just wear the same shirt. Don't waste a shirt, really. Yeah, hold on. No costume changes. No costume changes, wow.
Speaker 1:Do you think there's always?
Speaker 2:someone that wants to twist someone's words because of what, whatever they're going through, but I I hope that the majority of people want to listen because they want to get to know someone or understand you know, or to hear a guest talk about their experiences or, um, you know, relate, and that's that's why I listen to. You know, y'all's podcast. You know, but you, and that's that's why I listened to you know y'all's podcast, you know, but you do get positive comments.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we, we don't. We hadn't experienced positive comments yet but we're hoping we'll get there.
Speaker 2:You'll get some, you'll get, you'll get positive and hang in there. It's good.
Speaker 5:So let's backtrack a little bit for people. Best-selling author. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:It's a lot.
Speaker 5:But let's go back to the actings. How did that start? How did that journey start for you?
Speaker 2:So with acting. I grew up in Michigan. I loved acting. I didn't do theater, but I would go down to this place in Detroit and it was a bunch of, at the time, 30 plus year olds and I and in Detroit and this um acting coach from Chicago would come in and train and I just loved every minute of it. So when everyone was applying for colleges and stuff, I was just like I'm either going to New York or LA and uh, so I kind of I didn't. I did lie my way in but, um, I gave. I gave my headshot to an actor that was on a soap opera. His name was Aiden Turner and I was his waitress in Detroit and I was like, hi, I'm an actress. Like, here's my headshot. I mean, just now I cringe telling that story.
Speaker 5:I was 18.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like super cringy, but I was just like you know, I really want to be an actress, can you give this to your casting director? And then he gave me his email and said you know, email me, you know, keep in touch and stay on me. And so I emailed him pretty much weekly until I graduated high school and was like listen, I, I just need to know if I should go to New York or LA, or just I don't know anybody. I haven't actually done anything. And the casting director of all my children actually called me and he was like hey, so Aiden gave me your information. He's like have you done anything? And I said no, he goes. Do you live in New York?
Speaker 6:And I said no, I live in Michigan.
Speaker 2:He goes. Well then I can't use you because you're not, you have to be a local hire. Like you've done nothing and I was like well then I live in New York. Like what do I need to tell you? Like I live in New York, I'll fly there tomorrow. Like, please, just meet me. Like I beg you to meet me. And so I told my mom I booked a role on all my children because there's no way that she would have. Let me just fly to.
Speaker 6:New.
Speaker 2:York without.
Speaker 6:So they threw this whole party. It was bad yeah.
Speaker 2:But I knew like I was like I know, if the man just meets me, know it. So I flew to New York, slept on my uncle's friend's couch and met the casting director and he was like, can you read some of these lines? And so I read off of this little sheet and he's like, can you work next week? And I said yeah, Wow, so, yeah. So that's kind of how I got started and then, long story short, end up going to Los Angeles at 19 and, um, you know, did some shows like Entourage and Friday Night Lights, Grey's Anatomy and then One Tree Hill was what really started it all for me.
Speaker 5:I had forgotten.
Speaker 2:You were in Friday Night Lights. I started to look it up.
Speaker 5:What a great show. You guys ever watch it. What an awesome show. That was so great.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to watch it, but they all got me into it and I couldn't quit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so good. I actually tested for the role of Minka's character, and then they ended up saying, like you know, here's something that we want you to do later on. So all right, here we go.
Speaker 3:So what's that guy's name? Kyle Chandler. Is he the coach?
Speaker 2:He was the dad, yeah, the coach yeah.
Speaker 3:He seems like a pretty cool guy. Lovely yeah.
Speaker 2:So nice. I had a couple scenes scenes with him and he was great. But the the year that I was on, it got cut short because of the writer's strike. So during that time was when I started to kind of flirt around with music. I loved country music and I was one of my best girlfriends in Los Angeles. She's like you should be a singer and I'm like no, no, no, like you're the singer, I'm just the, the actress, um, and I've never, I never sang out in front of front of anyone but her. But during the writer's strike, um, and I was off of Friday Night Lights, there was um this show on CMT that was casting called Can you Duet?
Speaker 2:and her and I had done a few, like. We put out a few songs together because I was like, all right, if you, I'll do this, if you sing country music, because I knew she hated country music and she was like, sure I'll do it. I'm like sing country music cause I knew she hated country music and she was like sure I'll do it. And I'm like, oh crap. So we just, you know, wrote a couple of songs together. One was our band, was called moonshine.
Speaker 2:Uh, montgomery was a song that we put out on um, on my space and the can you do what? People saw it, and so they asked us to audition. So we flew to Nashville and audition at the wild horse saloon and, uh, I ended up making the show but they cut her and I just remember having them like I can't do it without her. I'm like I'm not a singer, like she's the singer. I just got lucky and cause they knew that I was on Friday night lights and they were totally playing that storyline, um, and then I called my agent. I was like, what do I do? You know, do I go down this route, do I not? And I ended up leaving the show because they were like the strike is going to be over soon. So I left because I just didn't think I could do it. I didn't have the confidence to sing and so I left. But I had just made a few friends from that show and that's when I started kind of dabbling into music.
Speaker 5:And was that so? I'm sorry. Trying to put the timeline together, one Tree Hill was right before that.
Speaker 2:So One Tree Hill was right after that. So after that whole Kenya duet thing, I can't remember maybe a year or so later I auditioned for One Tree Hill series, regular part and I got it. And the first season I mean the season that I was on was great, but the creator was really into music and at that time I was flying from Wilmington to Nashville and just writing with some of the local. I wasn't big enough to write with you guys yet so never got that opportunity.
Speaker 3:Kayla would have wrote with you. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would have Nobody wanted to write with me. And I even did some showcases. I got turned down by literally everyone.
Speaker 2:Uh, joe galanti, um like every single one, hendrix, every single one of them, and so. But I still kept just kind of writing, fine, back and forth. And, uh, when I was on the show I said to the creator I was like, look, I have no idea if I can sing or whatever, but this is what I've been doing in Nashville. Um, can you just take a listen and let me know what you think? And then he turned my sing, uh, my character, into a singer on the show and he surprised me with it. He's like hey, read this script. And so that's when I was like, oh my gosh, thank in Whiskey. And from there then the labels were interested because when it aired on the show, the people bought it like crazy. It shot up on the iTunes stuff and that's when I got my record deal with Warner.
Speaker 1:How can you help us? The beautiful word nice? How can they help you? Yeah, showcase, what a brutal.
Speaker 3:We talk about this a lot on here. Yeah, how can you help us? The beautiful word, how can they help you? Yeah, showcase what a brutal. We talk about this a lot on here like showcasing what that used to be like here, where you'd play your five songs for the industry at 5, 30, at 12th and porter or whatever you were doing.
Speaker 5:So you did that locally, here in town with the band, and before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a glenn. Um god, what was his name? Glenn, something? Glenn mitchell?
Speaker 5:glenn mitchell was my guitar player oh my gosh, glenn mitchell, he was british right, yeah, british.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, that's so funny he was my guitar player, and this was before, you know, before anything had aired on montreal, and it got all the nose we try to tell people how like cold that situation is.
Speaker 3:When you're showcasing and you're, you know you're looking at people. They don't want to be there and they're there after work and they're walking out early.
Speaker 5:They put you in an environment that is exactly opposite of what yeah, you're set up to fail. It's a cold room. There's eight to ten people there. Maybe. Maybe they'll bring some extra people in, but you're doing your five songs or whatever it is. Yeah, and they're just gone.
Speaker 3:You've spent two days rehearsing for five songs.
Speaker 2:You know well and I think the thing with me, too, where I'm different than the other artists is I did not believe in. I still don't like to this day, like I always say oh, I only got the record deal because of one trail, because that is the truth, like I know, I, and I always say I don't have the carry underword voice, I don't have this, I, I don't have that, and so for so long I kind of wore that badge of I only got this because of that, which, again, is the truth, and I, when I was doing those showcases or that one showcase, and then when I'd go in the office and sing for the people it was, I didn't have the confidence that maybe someone who has been grinding for so long to get this opportunity so I was. I mean, of course, I failed because I was had no idea what I was doing and maybe that was like my second time ever singing publicly.
Speaker 5:Really oh yeah.
Speaker 2:My parents did not hear me sing until I was playing down in Michigan at the WICD Guitars and Stars or whatever I was like. This is the first time anyone has ever heard me sing.
Speaker 1:You never sang at home just messing around. When I was six years old.
Speaker 2:I won a pageant singing Twinkle, twinkle Little.
Speaker 6:Star in a rock version. The rock version. Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 2:Twinkle.
Speaker 1:Twinkle Little Star.
Speaker 2:That was me as a six-year-old, and that's it.
Speaker 1:That may be a first for me, because everybody usually grows up singing around the house.
Speaker 6:Well, here's the thing. And your mom and dad are supportive and my baby can sing.
Speaker 2:My dad was a bass player and he grew up I mean band practices in my basement of singing and I never got the.
Speaker 4:You have a good voice and so I just never sang what he was the musician so and one of the many things I thought was interesting and just kind of researching you is you're one of the only or the only artists I know that's had multiple hits. That that says publicly says oh yeah, I'm not really a great singer, because I was watching I think it was the pivot one of the podcasts those NFL guys, which is hysterical. It was awesome.
Speaker 4:Y'all covered some freaking ground on that a lot of stuff, but but you said that, so you really don't believe that. I mean your, your voice is is great, especially on the song that I was a part of, which we'll talk about I um yeah, I, yeah, I mean I think it's because of the one tree hill thing and knowing that I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:I think it's because of the One Tree Hill thing and knowing that I wouldn't have gotten it the other way around. And if you compare me on a lineup of people, I think now I've leaned into the cry in my voice, I've leaned into the authenticity of the emotion behind it. So I can say, okay, I'm an emotionally maybe more authentic singer than maybe others, but am I the best vocally?
Speaker 5:no, I think that's a key though and especially in country music, you don't. I mean, there are the carries that can sing very well, but I think people buy into that more than anything. Are you genuine with what you're delivering? I think that's what separates country from pop especially. I'm glad that you leaned into that, because that's what people buy into. Yeah, and that's what I ended from pop especially. I'm glad that you leaned into that, because that's what people buy into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I ended up having to do on stage. I'm like, all right, I can give a hell of a show, I'll make people cry, I'll make them happy. I ran around the stage acting crazy, but it was just like I will give them a show and they will feel every emotion and I'll allow my voice to feel it, because that's how I've always kind of lived. My life is my heart on my sleeve, so are you still doing shows?
Speaker 1:Are you still singing the only?
Speaker 2:time I sing now is. I mean Jesse Decker and I put out a song that I wrote um recently, so that's fun. I do saw Lee Bryce and Jared Neiman. We just wrote a song that he recorded. Lee did for me, Um, so I do things now. If I'm like, hey, I got this song idea, I really want to do it, just to kind of rotate the wheel of everything. And I do enjoy music, I love writing. It's so therapeutic, and one of my favorite songs I wrote was after my divorce to my kid's dad. You know how do I tell them that I got?
Speaker 4:the story. I mean, it killed me yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and you. So I still sing at like One Tree Hill conventions because you know those people are the ones that gave me this career and I'm always so. We have little concerts like that, but no, I don't go on tour anymore. I stopped that. Once I had my second kid. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But you figured something out, though you said it like performing and put a good show on, it's never been been like a singing contest. If that was the case, I don't think we'd have some of our greatest artists, you know, I think I think just sing songs, like you said, that fit you, that you can relay the emotion in, go out and perform well, I think that's that's more. People should try to figure that out earlier, because I think that they get so wrapped up in being the best singer, which there's no such thing as the best singer.
Speaker 5:It's subjective, it's very subjective.
Speaker 3:It's always been like who's the coolest singer who?
Speaker 5:moves you Right exactly.
Speaker 3:You figure that out. A lot of people never figure that out.
Speaker 1:Who's your least favorite? Well, actually I'll answer it.
Speaker 3:I'm actually surprised and a little heartbroken that you, for all the thrash talk and all the tough stances, you really let that go. You see what he's doing. He's pushing the buttons. You know where I'm at? Warren Zeters. He's awful, do you know, warren? No, okay, he's just another one of these. Uh, I'm glad guys, are he's?
Speaker 3:he's an artist he's an artist, he's doing okay, actually yeah, but um, you know he's like, you know the uh, the tiktok genre, you know. So you know shirt off sticking into a hairbrush in front of his truck, kind of stuff, you know so it's it's cool, neil. Who do you got?
Speaker 1:are you friends with maren moores?
Speaker 2:you know what?
Speaker 3:that doesn't count anymore though, maren, she's not in the genre anymore. She's an artist trying to bypass.
Speaker 5:She's an artist. Is she coming back or didn't? I hear her. She was trying to, or is that I don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, she just made sure she just made headlines like yesterday or today somebody groped her summer.
Speaker 1:She said someone in her meet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she said someone grabbed her In her meet and greets. She said someone grabbed her. Oh, I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2:I don't know her personally, but she's always been. She was always nice, but we were never friendly. I mean we weren't like friends, but she's always been.
Speaker 4:We weren't either. I wonder if it was like a paid groper, like the paid protesters and stuff.
Speaker 2:There might be some of those who knows? Did you write a?
Speaker 6:song for her. No, no, you were trying to get a back story.
Speaker 5:There must have been something. What do you think? Speaking of the female country music industry, there's been a lot of talk. We've talked about it. Somebody had the percentage of the female artists that are on the air. What was?
Speaker 1:it, it, it was something like I don't remember the person or something like that. Yeah, it was way down, it was really low.
Speaker 5:Um, it used to be much higher. I remember, like when we came to town in 2000s, like when trisha yearwood was here, it was like a lot of women artists. Do you have a take on why that could be? Or maybe two questions who do you like that's a female artist right now? And then, maybe, why aren't there more?
Speaker 2:sure, I mean I. It honestly baffles me, because radio programmers would say you know their main audience, women want to listen to men and I'm like but do they? Because I want to listen to women, like back in the day, if you said faith hill, trisha, yearwood, shidezi, dina carter, I mean I, shania twain, I, that's who I listen to. Women. Like back in the day you said Faith Hill, trisha, yearwood, shadezy, dina Carter, I mean Shania Twain, that's who I listen to Lots of big.
Speaker 2:So it always surprised me that they were saying that. But I also love guy songs too. But it makes me sad because that was what I was always fighting up against, right, and it was a lot of stuff with the girls too. Like, in that time it was Kacey Musgraves, it was me, it was well obviously, miranda Carey. They always had the top spot, but there was that competitiveness with it. Where it's they got there's three already there, so it's like you really couldn't have room for anyone else to get up there. I don't understand why I nowadays I like Ella Langley. I think she's really um I.
Speaker 2:I don't know her personally at all, but I think she's got a really cool tone in her voice. I like her songs. I don't know if she actually writes them or not, but, um, it doesn't hurt me. I never I didn't write a lot.
Speaker 4:I think she does, I think she writes a lot yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think she's really cool and just very authentically herself. I like that. I'm not so much on the poppier side of things. I like more of the Ella Langley's.
Speaker 6:What do you? Guys like I'm with you.
Speaker 4:I don't know why?
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, I think we're on the same page with that, and that's what I was gonna say. I don't know we've had this discussion a lot why there aren't bigger and more female artists, and I think it's because of that there's not as many genuine artists like. When you see and hear ella, you go, wow, that's cool, she's different, she's being herself. She's true to herself. Some of them. I don't know if I could say that for her.
Speaker 3:Well, they're also like Lainey and Ella.
Speaker 5:Lainey obviously fits into that category.
Speaker 3:They're starting to translate into live ticket sales too, which I think was a little bit of a disconnect, maybe with some of the and it could be a label thing, maybe thinking girls should do these type of songs or they can't do these type of songs. I feel like we've definitely fell into a spot where we have some great women artists but they weren't doing songs that maybe were connecting on a certain level, which to translate into a hard ticket to get you out of the opening slot per se, but it's starting to happen again.
Speaker 2:You know laney's doing huge numbers yeah, I, if I'm honest and I don't know, and I never want to like place blame on anybody, but I think when you're like when I was at the label it was, you can't wear this, you can't do this.
Speaker 2:You can't put this, your hair up like this. You definitely I mean the. Oh my god, if I would have wore some of the stuff that some of these girls are wearing, like I would have. I mean, I wasn't allowed to show anything Like the sundress was like already like causing a whole start, you mean because it was too provocative, or they wanted to not make me be like that, which is fine.
Speaker 2:I totally respected that. But they're like you can't sing this, you can't do this, you should sing this. And I was just like, okay, okay, because I was just so grateful to be there. So a lot of the songs that I did sing, I'm like I didn't really connect to them now got the boy. Why you want a few other ones were obvious, ones that I still love to this day, but there are so many that I did because my producer, who is also my head of a and r, of course I'm going to say yes to him yes because, I need him to support this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you want to be successful at it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I want to be successful and it's a fine line of especially when you're getting started play ball until you can do your own thing. But I think a lot of female artists already have their backs against the wall in that way, when they're already told they can't do this or they shouldn't do that, and you feel like you don't have the support of the nr and the promo, like the promo staff at radio, and yeah, I think that's a lot of it like, before you know it it's you're already behind the eight ball right and I was told I couldn't act anymore.
Speaker 2:It's like if they, if you want to be taken serious, you can't do this anymore, you can't do that. And I'm like, but blake's able to, why he's able to go do that like, why cannot his? Well, because you started as an actress. I'm like that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6:It makes no sense. I don't understand.
Speaker 2:So I did. I stopped for five years.
Speaker 1:But that's a lot of labels, A lot of labels. They get new artists in there and they want you to think they know everything that's best for you, without even knowing you at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I see it all the time.
Speaker 4:When they did a good job on I Got the Boy, on the I Got the Boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that was a song that I mean I was trying to write a song about my high school sweetheart from the very beginning. You, know and that was, and he knew that, and so he called me to the office. I thought he was dropping me, but he called me to the office, always scared about that, and he's like you gotta listen to the song.
Speaker 4:And I just like cried. Have you ever? Tim Nichols is one of the writers on that. Have you ever seen him sing it or perform?
Speaker 2:it. Someone sent me a video one time of it, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we do a lot of corporate shows as writers, kind of like a traveling bluebird thing, and it's always interesting when a guy sings a girl's song, because a lot of the people out there you can tell them all day long or all night long hey, we wrote these, it's not middle-aged karaoke, but they don't listen.
Speaker 4:And all of a sudden you see him singing this song and the most awkward it gets is when we're at the Bluebird like sitting in a circle and he's facing me and he's singing I got the boy, she got the man and I'm like, hmm, I don't know if that's ringing true with your life.
Speaker 2:You guys want me to come out and sing.
Speaker 4:It's a great song, but love that, kayla?
Speaker 5:what's a song that you have with Janet?
Speaker 4:Oh, I didn't. I wasn't even going to bring that up. Sometimes we like to do show and tell. Let me just pass this around, jim, thank you for your lyrics, so scared. In case we don't have time to play the whole song.
Speaker 4:The song broke my heart this song broke my heart and I'll tell you there's a couple reasons why. And actually it broke my heart more this morning when I was spending a lot of time researching and the more I learned about you, I realized it was a complete accident, that we wrote this particular song exactly for your personality and what you're going through in a lot of your life. At that time it really amazed me, because we talk about how it's a gift to have a relationship with Aldine or Gary LaVox or Kenny Chesney or Brad Paisley, whatever. So you know them and you know it's just easier to write for them. And I didn't know you at all and Jerry Flowers didn't know you or Rachel Proctor didn't know you. But at the time we wrote the perfect song for you and then somebody we're assuming the label completely failed all of us. What happened?
Speaker 2:So this one kills me. Remember the little rain sticks they had too that they were sending to radio. They said that it wasn't researching. Is what they said? That it wasn't um researching is is what they said their early research and what, what really I think hurt me in my career was.
Speaker 2:You know, my first song out of the gate was why you wanna, and that was that was got to three right and then whiskey right after. Um, they blame me for that failing because they said that at crs I didn't do a good enough performance oh my god, yeah at the new faces okay so immediately like I could cry thinking about it.
Speaker 3:That's very typical. Talk about that for one second because we I mean, we played new faces and a few times and that is such a a label excuse yeah nothing there affects the success of that song. I mean people there are. I mean you know what it's like there. There are 20 drinks in by time to get to the new picture show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's not like there's actual fans there, there's just radio programmers there are nothing against them, but they're not the most lively of like.
Speaker 2:Some of them are like if you got cadillac jack from vegas like you know it's great, like you, those fans are there, but you also have the ones that don't like you, that don't believe in you and that are just staring at you, and so we had, you know, brantley Gilbert was one of the people on new faces. There was one other person, too, that I cannot remember, and that was me, and me and my manager were like, all right, they're gonna be given these hardcore, just rock things. Let's lean into the cry of my voice, the authenticity, the sad ones. So we did sing mostly heartbreak songs, and they said that I just didn't perform well enough and that I didn't connect, and I thought I did a great job.
Speaker 2:I was just like I came off like oh my gosh, and of course in the moment they said it was great um and he's, you know, espo was like I was crying um, but that ended up not being the case and that's where they blamed whiskey failing at in the in the mid-20s, and then I hope it rains was the next one. So that was the one to like get me back up there, but I think it only got to like what 30 something yeah, this was a single, but they said it was still.
Speaker 2:CRS side backlash.
Speaker 3:Wow, I've never heard of CRS fallout lasting that long.
Speaker 2:But I think it comes down to, and then also because of how they blame the radio team again, because how they badgered the program directors for the ads for why you Wanna. They said that it put a bad taste in their mouth. So there was always just like a blame game of like in my thoughts.
Speaker 2:I wasn't a good enough singer the label team. Then we did have a death in the label in our radio team, so it was just like a lot of like pointing fingers and I'm like, can we just figure this out? And that's when we then got. I got the boy which was on that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've never heard of a label telling an artist that the reason a single didn't work was because of your performance.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I've never heard that.
Speaker 4:Well, they're going to say anything, Usually say oh, it's the manager.
Speaker 5:The manager says that's the label. Yeah, no, they're going to put any blame they can, but not on themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I think was the thing that always then carried with me too. You're still not good enough, like you know. Yeah, you got one hit and then it kind of fell, fell and then a hit, and then you know which, I just couldn't ever I could never get the single single, the hit hit, hit in a row, and that's what they also then said was my demise and
Speaker 2:then, espo and I ended up having a not wonderful relationship towards the end. So because I wasn't doing what they wanted me to do or I, I I hugged a program director. I shouldn't have hugged the program, you weren't. You were not like, and I was just like oh my God, I don't like, I'm trying to be nice. So my over-friendliness was taken to flirty or this too Like, and then I just like. I remember sitting at dinner we were at this Italian restaurant and I was just like what do you want from?
Speaker 2:me and I was just like crying and he was just like you just don't get it. And I'm like you're not telling me, like what don't I get you know?
Speaker 4:Like help me. I've like stopped my career acting stuff the wall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, wow. I mean, I love country music. That's what. That's. What label heads do? They're real good at placing blame instead of looking in the mirror. They're not like head coaches of football, where they take. You know, this is on me, I've never heard a record label head say, hey, this is on me, never.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but man, they will take the credit when it flies oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I had one song that my label president gave me and he said this is gonna make you go to the, it's gonna be wild and you know it's gonna be the huge hit. They paid a bunch of money for the song. It was my worst performing song ever. I mean terrible. And then then, soon after that, I was dropped see, it wasn't my song, telly, I was looking at it, I mean I'm trying to find.
Speaker 3:I mean there's some lyrics you could have. Why did you?
Speaker 1:hand these out. You want us to? Uh, I heard you got yourself a date already.
Speaker 2:Funny, thought you needed your space just five nights ago. Keep going.
Speaker 4:I love it sounded great, maybe, maybe it's the I bet you'll
Speaker 2:take it from your mama's store yeah, chicken from your mama's store, that's a good line hey, kayla, whose idea was this?
Speaker 5:it was mine.
Speaker 2:It's so good though, Jerry.
Speaker 4:Flowers riff, and then Rachel Proctor helping on the vocal and melody.
Speaker 5:We love Rachel and Jay.
Speaker 4:She's awesome, so it was just a good solid to write it's a good song.
Speaker 2:We should bring it back. Let's do it.
Speaker 4:Let's do it, let's bring it back, let's make it be a TikTok thing.
Speaker 5:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:Because, but then it'll be a hit A hundred percent.
Speaker 5:There we go. Well, guys, I don't know about you, but I don't even need to vote on this thing you guys can be in the band behind it.
Speaker 3:We'll just do a whole thing. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:We'll work it up. All you got to do is just change a couple of words, change the herd to him.
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Speaker 5:All right, welcome back to the Try that in a Small Town podcast Coming to you from Patriot Mobile Studios, powered by eSpaces. We were talking a little bit during the break, so this is really interesting. Jana was on Dancing with the Stars. What year was this?
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh, my daughter, was not even one yet. No, was she one Gosh? No, she wasn't one yet. She was little. She was like five months. So that was back in 2016.
Speaker 5:2016.
Speaker 2:Math on that.
Speaker 3:What a terrifying thing I can't imagine I think we should have our listeners weigh in.
Speaker 5:Which one of us would do the best on Dancing with the Stars? I think Kelly, that would be me without a doubt.
Speaker 2:You think, I think you do, it would be me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it would definitely be me.
Speaker 2:You One, of you two.
Speaker 5:Really, absolutely. You think so. I think we should be a dance off. Lana, does she have Neil's?
Speaker 4:got some decent moves. He does Really.
Speaker 1:He's got moves. It would definitely be me.
Speaker 4:Is it with whiskey or without?
Speaker 5:I mean, we don't even have to talk.
Speaker 3:You know drunk falling around, you know that, right, it's real dancing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would find my edge, my buzz.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:Do you have dance in your background?
Speaker 2:I used to figure skate, but to me that was not the same and maybe it helped me a little bit with the gracefulness of my arms. But that's it.
Speaker 5:You did well, though right in the show I did the semifinals yeah.
Speaker 3:That's pretty, it was all right. So you got to work like how much dancing.
Speaker 2:I was on tour like I was on tour so we were flying, I would be right before playing a show. I mean it was crazy, it was, um, it was I mean got the boy obviously did great and so it was. I was kind of riding the success from that and uh, a lot of probably six hours, five, six hours of of training a day, yeah, oh my god, and then right before shows.
Speaker 3:I'd rehearse it again, then we'd fly back to Probably six hours five, six hours of training A day, yeah. Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, and then right before shows, I'd rehearse it again and then we'd fly back to California. I mean, it was a wild time. And then, once we got towards, the end I'm like all right, we canceled some shows because I actually wanted to win and wanted to do good, but it was fun, Were you?
Speaker 4:excited to get out there and do the routine and everything. It was fun. Were you excited to get out there and do the routine and everything? Or were you scared to death, since that's not what you normally do? Totally scared to?
Speaker 2:death. I mean, that show makes you just think you are the worst at everything in your life.
Speaker 6:I mean, it's really just you know like I'm like I suck, it's like writing with Neil, totally Like you know I was the person that was just getting one word you know,
Speaker 2:So it's like I was the person that was just getting one word, but I personally would love to go back and do it at this stage of my life. My ex was in rehab at the time. My personal life was a disaster, and so I think that's where my though it was a really good thing to get my mind off of stuff. I wish I could go back and be where I'm at today.
Speaker 5:I probably would have a little more confidence, I would have more, and I would have enjoyed it. I think so. Who won?
Speaker 2:that year? Uh, and or did you make any other friends from the um, um, hernandez, um, she was a gymnast. I'm totally blanking on her name.
Speaker 5:That's not even fair I know and she was amazing.
Speaker 2:She was so good. But I mean I feel like friend-wise a lot of the dancers and I actually we became quite close, you had different styles of dancing right through each week. Yeah, my favorite was contemporary. I loved contemporary dance.
Speaker 5:So what does that even mean for somebody? Contemporary, no real rules, it's just kind of like feeling it.
Speaker 2:It's not structure real rules, it's just kind of like feeling it. It's not structure Like all the structure dances I really struggled with.
Speaker 1:That'd be your category. Buddy. Contemporary was fun. Is that where your back problems started?
Speaker 2:Probably, but no, that was yeah, I love the contemporary ones, seems like it, but when?
Speaker 1:did your back problems start.
Speaker 2:When I had a baby at 40.
Speaker 1:That's when mine started. Seriously, I didn't have the baby, but that's when it started, because we were talking about it before we went live.
Speaker 2:It's a struggle getting older.
Speaker 1:How old are you? Six.
Speaker 2:Somewhere around 60. Does it get better in 20 years?
Speaker 4:from now he plays the senior tees at the golf course.
Speaker 1:I don't remember 40. That's how old I am.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a good time then.
Speaker 3:huh yeah, but when you're 60 or close to it, whatever, at least you can be like well, that's why my back hurts. I turned 60 in July. At least when you turn 60, it's like you have a reason. When you're like 45, 50, 50, whatever you're like, should I be hurt this sore right now? Yeah, when you're 60, you're like okay, I get it, you're selling off into the horizon.
Speaker 5:She's kind of backhanded, I think no, no, it's very forehanded.
Speaker 1:I'm used to that. The back problem started with kids.
Speaker 2:Picking them up improperly.
Speaker 1:I'm doing an improper deadlift all the time, and that started when I was like 30.
Speaker 2:And it hasn't gotten better. Well, you just have to maintain it like 30 and it hasn't gotten better.
Speaker 1:It got well you just have to maintain it. No, it hasn't gotten better sweet, he's right. Yeah, you got great news when the kids.
Speaker 3:When the kids were small, we go take them skiing, lifting them on and off the chairlift my back. You're right, though, it's like that, having kids doing all that stuff.
Speaker 4:That's what it is well but there may be a little, there may be a a little difference in your health regimen and say ours so you may last a little longer and snap back, you know so.
Speaker 2:I think, our nutrition. I'll let you guys know in 20 years. Yeah Well, I don't know. You guys were talking about Funyuns earlier, so I think.
Speaker 3:I think we're. Yeah, I, I'm making funyuns. I mean it's, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Do you guys write all the time together.
Speaker 1:No, not all the time no.
Speaker 4:We write, we're on the books every Wednesday and we hadn't written one time. This year.
Speaker 3:That's not true. Well, we've been on tour, that is true. It is true. We've got next week, next Wednesday, that's the latest hit.
Speaker 4:That's right.
Speaker 2:They do With what?
Speaker 4:Because they had Whiskey Drink, whiskey Drink.
Speaker 5:We're following your title Whiskey, Whiskey Drink.
Speaker 2:I think whiskey has been used many times. You know you were the start of the bro country movement Right.
Speaker 5:There was probably never a song called Whiskey. For a long time you had yours and then everybody put whiskey in their song. Including us we had a song called Whiskey Drink with Jason whiskey in their song, including us.
Speaker 2:We have a song called whiskey drink with jason. Okay, nice, we like the word town. Alvin likes the word town. Yeah, try that small town got it rearview town.
Speaker 4:Try that small town. Uh-huh um tattoos on this town, all kinds of towns.
Speaker 1:Right, I've got a lot of towns and the songs.
Speaker 2:What is your favorite song you've ever written?
Speaker 1:of the town songs of any of the songs oh, my favorite song well, flower states for me is probably one that sticks out. The most. That's a beautiful song, and it just kind of just holds its own. Yeah, you know, and it doesn't wear on me. Yeah, you know, not to say that anything like try that in small town doesn't, but it's kind of there's something really classic and like iconic about the flyover states.
Speaker 2:You know it's, it's a song. There's something really classic and iconic about.
Speaker 5:The Flyover.
Speaker 2:States. Yeah, you know it's a song that you can listen to. I mean, you can listen to that one too. It's Try them Small Town but I don't know. There's something that just feels like in 20 years it's still going to stand the test of time 100%, and it plays that way on stage.
Speaker 4:It does about you much like I hope it rains uh, timeless classic I'm gonna frame this when I get home? No, my current favorite still is uh, try that in small town. Just because I mean one. It's the first thing we all four ever wrote I didn't even know these guys at all I knew neil and so we all got to be buddies and write that and aldine recorded it and did an amazing job on it and it created this, you know.
Speaker 2:Sure, well, there was a lot of buzz around that song, you know. Yeah, I think it was great.
Speaker 4:Went from that and now, once a week, we're here recording these things, making no money at all.
Speaker 2:So it's pretty amazing, but you enjoy doing it, I do enjoy. It yes, and that's what every podcast is. I remember in the beginning I heart was like you know, you're not going to make a lot of money the first couple of years, but if it's something you enjoy doing, you know, keep showing up.
Speaker 1:And then how many times?
Speaker 2:how many times do you think about quitting now? No, no, no, no, when you start, oh then, oh, actually I was, so you know getting paid.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know. And.
Speaker 6:You have to hang in. What's that?
Speaker 4:like, let's talk about that.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about that for a minute. So when do you think that's going to happen for us? Are we really far?
Speaker 4:In your best judgment. Yeah, because this is episode 71.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we're making tens of dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're not paying anything, but again, it's your you know, whoever's listening is going to help someone and give them some enjoyment for the day. So it's good you guys are showing up and doing it. I think it's great.
Speaker 5:Let me ask a question, for I know all of our wives. You have a Christmas movie coming out I do Talk a little bit about that, and you've been in a few Christmas movies.
Speaker 2:Right, I have been in probably every state of a Christmas movie titled yeah, is that something that I mean? Movies? Right, I have been in probably every state of a christmas movie titled um, yeah, is that something that I mean?
Speaker 5:are you a huge christmas person? Obviously, I mean I love.
Speaker 2:I love christmas and those movies are are great. I mean family friendly, so awesome they're like. I just wrapped one. It was a karen kingsbury novel called the christmas ring. It's with kelsey grammar ben hollingsworth from virgin river.
Speaker 2:Um, that's cool. He was fantastic Like the nicest dude and it's great and I love, love, love doing it. But I had just recently tested and lost on a show that it was a very big spinoff show I was really bummed about. I also was pinned for the Hunting Wives and a lot of people are like oh, I could see you in that. I was like thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Jim, what's the laughter for Good laugh?
Speaker 2:It goes to this full circle, though, of I love acting so much and that show is wild. So many people are like, oh, I'm so glad you didn't do it because it's so risque, and so this. I'm like, yeah, but it would have been so fun to just be this crazy character and have a hell of a time, but it's, you know, it's a lot.
Speaker 2:I'm not allowed to watch it so I think it's nice to have the balance of doing fun stuff like that and then going to go do these Christmas movies. So I did. I actually did two Christmas movies this year. One was with Martin Sheen. That's called the One That'll come out later this year as well.
Speaker 3:Martin Sheen. So how old is he now? 90s right 70s, 80s.
Speaker 2:Watch everybody hung up on how old somebody is. I think he's in his 80s, 80s.
Speaker 3:okay, he's got to be at least in his 80s.
Speaker 2:He's lovely, like was really fun. And then I've got two other ones um that I did uh one with steve gutenberg. Uh, that came out earlier this year.
Speaker 5:And then are these? Are any of them theater, or are they straight like christmas?
Speaker 2:ring will be november 6th in theaters, so that's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that'll be great christmas ring the christmas ring, like it. It's fun. So it's fun like I like to play those characters.
Speaker 2:It's, but I'm ready to juice it up with something different. I got a really cool thriller that I'm filming next year, so I'm excited about that you already booked for it.
Speaker 5:I already got booked the offer for it. Can you tell us anything about it?
Speaker 4:Oh, it's so good I wish I could, but I cannot. Is your character a crazy one, or are you a victim?
Speaker 2:A little bit of both. Yeah, so that'll be another theaters one.
Speaker 3:I'm really excited about that one cool. So kelsey graham, I would have just sat around asking him to tell us, like fraser stories. Yeah, he had some good ones.
Speaker 2:Now I'm like blanking on some of them. But uh, he, he was so nice, like just lovely to everybody. You just never know when you meet someone like that same with when I was working with martin, but couldn't, couldn't be nicer lovely.
Speaker 3:Cool. The other night Kevin James was at the show.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And me and Rich the drummer, like never. We probably watched King of Queens 100 times each season, you know. So he was hanging out and we went total fan.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was awesome Kurt's like what are you guys doing? He's like you remember the episode where he did this. He's like well, you guys really like the show. And he's like actually I don't remember that.
Speaker 3:I was like Rich, maybe we're coming a little hot, Rich maybe, but he was fantastic. But guys like Kelsey Grammer, who I've watched those shows, grew up with some of that stuff you know. So it's really, really cool you got to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty neat.
Speaker 5:Neil Lana said you might have some. What is it? Yes or no? No, I think it was either ors.
Speaker 1:Either ors California or Tennessee.
Speaker 2:Tennessee. God, that was quick.
Speaker 5:I mean, I agree.
Speaker 2:I'm a Michigan girl at heart. I love.
Speaker 1:I don't know if she's going to say this one acting or singing? Acting, yeah, nfl or college nfl? Yes, right knew it.
Speaker 2:Go lions no college football interest at all. No team okay. Michigan. When jim harbaugh was there I watched every game, cried when they won like it was really. But now I'm good, I don't care to watch another one oh, I liked jim being there at michigan. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5:Wow Coming in strong Okay.
Speaker 4:Good one.
Speaker 5:What else is on the list Go?
Speaker 1:on Steak or chicken. Steak Medium I like it Night in or night out.
Speaker 2:In. I'm a homebody, last one.
Speaker 1:Love it George Strait or George Clooney.
Speaker 2:Strait.
Speaker 5:Are you just saying that because of our audience?
Speaker 2:No. I love George Strait and he's lovely, one of my really good friends' dad is best friends with him and he's awesome.
Speaker 5:He's a super guy.
Speaker 2:What about? You can give me somebody else, though, and I could yeah.
Speaker 5:No, I'm thinking about other either-ors Coffee or tea.
Speaker 2:Tea. I don't drink coffee.
Speaker 4:No caffeine at all. No caffeine at all. I knew there was something wrong with you. Why Hold on?
Speaker 2:No caffeine, really bad anxiety I used to have. Okay, and so yeah, I just I stopped when I was 19. What?
Speaker 3:How do you get the energy in the morning?
Speaker 2:I do lemon water. I'm confused, like warm lemon water.
Speaker 3:Warm lemon water.
Speaker 2:That's not going to do it, that does not sound fun. Sometimes I'll do a little green tea, but that's rare, do?
Speaker 4:you have a vice.
Speaker 2:Do I have a vice?
Speaker 4:Yeah, Like give us something to make us feel comfortable. I am psycho with cleaning.
Speaker 2:No, no no, my husband will say that's a major Yesterday I was losing. I'm like why is this like baseboard so dirty and stop giving him the sippy cup of the smoothie that goes on. I just cleaning is the only thing that I feel like I can control.
Speaker 5:So it's like I like a really clean house. I don't like that answer. It's like somebody saying tell me something bad about you, I'm just too nice to everybody. No, but that's a good answer on the control thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Does that mean? Like wine or sugar or anything like that. Do you drink wine every night? I love wine. You have a wine, right? I used to have a wine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 6:I used to have a wine.
Speaker 2:But no, I do. I would pick wine. I like wine, but I'm a vice. Oh man, I used to have a ton but I did a lot of therapy.
Speaker 5:Okay, oh, that's it. I think she's saying we need to go.
Speaker 4:That does remind me of it because you did talk about therapy a lot.
Speaker 2:A ton of therapy.
Speaker 4:Actually, I haven't finished it yet.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, here's my advice. Can I say this? Sorry, what's the word? Oh gosh when I say something, but I like what's come on.
Speaker 5:Sounds like.
Speaker 2:Oh, you didn't pick that up.
Speaker 5:Oh, you're passive aggressive.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, I said that way too quick on it, okay, yeah, all right, I'm working on it still not really before, before we got married, I mean, I could care less where anything was, or if anything was labeled, or where you well, we're mandatory or anything like that. Then I found myself about halfway through. I felt guilty if I closed the refrigerator door and I noticed a water bottle with the label on it.
Speaker 4:It looks like a studio set.
Speaker 1:I'd go back and open it and turn it.
Speaker 5:That's OCD.
Speaker 4:I've also helped her too, she's not as anal, as she used to be Anal backwards language it.
Speaker 1:I appreciate fully. She's not as anal as she used to be. Yeah, Anal backwards.
Speaker 4:Language. It's two anals yeah.
Speaker 1:Nobody ever knew that did they?
Speaker 5:No, she loves that.
Speaker 2:Well, people, I have my little plaque up in my office, and so Jana backwards looks like anal too.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and so everyone whenever I'm doing a story from my office but sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, billy oh no but you're really fighting for advice there.
Speaker 4:But you were talking about, uh, like therapists, stuff like that, and you're very open about everything you know, which is uh refreshing. And and I it reminded me a song that I'm working on I hadn't got anybody to to write it yet, um, but it's called are you seeing anyone? But that's the kind of a question you should ask somebody, like when you first start dating someone. So are you seeing someone? No, no, you really should be seeing someone. Therapist. You know, like there's a funny song like a therapist thing.
Speaker 2:I like that. Anyway, it's tracking like I hope it rains, there you go.
Speaker 1:No, I hadn't pitched it to him yet.
Speaker 4:You don't have a lyric already to pass out.
Speaker 2:You know, because I did this podcast, can you guys pro bono me and we can write a song and get me back up on the.
Speaker 5:I like your TikTok idea.
Speaker 4:I do too.
Speaker 5:I think that's great Does anybody have TikTok?
Speaker 2:I need a real heartfelt song.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:Love you, thanks. Are you serious Are?
Speaker 4:you serious, clark? Yeah, are you serious? I need a song.
Speaker 2:I don't have a song for next year. I'm going to release the Lee and Jared one and then I need another one. I usually do like two a year.
Speaker 1:She'd be back on tour. We know some guys.
Speaker 3:I like it.
Speaker 5:We need the exact description of what you need.
Speaker 2:All right, something that hurts the soul, but it's like.
Speaker 4:Something that hurts Okay.
Speaker 2:But positive in the end a good movie.
Speaker 5:I like it like a good movie. Uh, all right, leave somebody with the ms. Who else got something?
Speaker 4:anybody got something good. I wanted to know like this goes back to the one tree deal. Thing because I, uh, I watched it late. We made my wife started watching it, or she'd already seen it a bunch of times, but maybe three years ago. So, lucas, like I always didn't like like him because he's to me, he pouted a lot, you, you know, like between him and Nathan. I know that's their character's name. But who did you like the best? Were they everybody kind of cool or no?
Speaker 2:So I was on the season after Lucas left, those seasons after him. So Nathan, obviously well, I'm saying his name. James Lafferty's character, I liked him the most, but I actually didn't even know they were brothers until after the show, like that's how much I didn't know about anything until after the show, because I just kind of read you know my storylines and this and that, but yeah, but I like Nathan better yeah, me too, now that I've watched a few.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we need to talk about feel free, don't touch that.
Speaker 2:I was told, because sometimes I don't as much anymore, but I used to have and, honestly, all stem from gut. So I had PTSD back in the day, right. So I was on medication for years for anxiety like years and years and years. And then when I got divorced, some most of my anxiety went away, but there were still some anxiety that I still had. And then I did this full-on gut cleanse and realized that that's because it's all connected, right. So they say 70 of anxiety is actually from your, from your gut. It might even be more, but, um, my guy said that that is also helpful, like if I was to have a, a moment of some anxiety. And I've I've used them on planes before for this, for anxiety?
Speaker 5:Yeah, no way Okay.
Speaker 3:So I did. This is great. I did a couple of those bottles, I mean.
Speaker 2:I just do half of it though, so I do like one half.
Speaker 4:Maybe that's a good well, one half is a serving yeah.
Speaker 2:Like half of the bottle is a.
Speaker 3:Really I used to do one.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have like L-thean. Can I say it again? It's been a minute since I've taken it.
Speaker 3:He used to give me one of these per night and I would do it and I'd get really jacked up. And then I started doing two.
Speaker 2:And then oh kava, Ooh. Yeah, it's kind of a stimulant and a depressant at the same time. It does say do not exceed two ounces in a 24-hour period.
Speaker 4:That's what it says. It always says you can't get it unless you're 21, and we know there's a lot of people.
Speaker 5:You should have told me that it also says it will make your skin scaly.
Speaker 4:But that's not true. I'm not scaly A few scales, no, but I did some research on that because they have been busting me on this. I did it because I was trying to cut back on calories and wine consumption. Sure, so in the evenings it gives you something, it wakes you up a little bit. It's like you get a little sleepy in the afternoons, yeah, but it definitely helps and it's natural and everything. And then they did some research and said all the bad stuff about it, which I'm not saying it's a health product.
Speaker 1:It could be beneficial if used the right way. What does the word natural?
Speaker 4:actually mean, but the people are having major problems where people having 12 or more in a day and they're hooked on it and spending three to four, yeah, that would be about a month, so I can see why that would be an issue yeah. So it's like anything, if you do too much, probably wouldn't be too good.
Speaker 5:Too much water everything in moderation wow, well said all right, neil, you got anything? No, I'm just gonna read the ingredients. Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to believe anymore, about anything. Isn't that true?
Speaker 2:I don't. All you have to know is what's on your four walls. That's about all you need to know.
Speaker 5:Amen, wow, see how she left us. That's good, that's great. Boom, we've got to thank Jana for being here. You know it's a different crowd for you. I guess this is weird, like your podcast, is it usually?
Speaker 2:girls yeah, mostly girls, but it's fine, I like that stepping out a little bit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, and we do need to thank our buddy uh nick woodard uh, and jim actually reconnected me with nick woodard is that the connection? Yes, because yeah, nick's an old friend of mine and I, um, and he's a realtor very successful realtor here in Middle Tennessee and I bought a couple of houses with him years ago.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we got connected and that's how we got in touch with you. He was my music manager and then she became my day-to-day life, everything.
Speaker 4:Oh, wow, yeah, and he's got a podcast like the 615 or something like that.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. Nick yeah, thank you, nick yeah thank you, nick, no doubt thanks for having me on and I seriously, you guys, better write me a song okay, we're in careful what you work on it absolutely, yeah, alright, jana Grammer.
Speaker 5:Thank you so much. I know I'm like a little, you know artist you got all these like number one.
Speaker 6:Jason O'Dea.
Speaker 2:I get it, I get.
Speaker 3:I feel like I'll end with this. I feel like, actually, the timing and you've got all these movies going on. I feel like now the opposite's true. I think having a hit as an actor and an artist will coincide. Now that's what we should do, right? The single, the big hit, that's what I think is going to happen.
Speaker 1:Okay, if it's a hit, we'll take the credit. If it's not, it's your fault, we'll take the credit.
Speaker 2:If it's not, it's your fault, we'll blame the label You're used to it Sign me up, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5:You didn't perform well enough on our podcast which is the reason why the I felt too flat. It's fine, Jenna thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me, guys, we appreciate you. Thank you very much, thank you. All right, well, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 4:She's great. I thought she was great. She's brought the cover.
Speaker 3:a lot of ground to cover, she's doing a lot.
Speaker 5:She's doing a lot, she's got. She said she did. I don't know if she said this on air or in between, when we were at break. She did like four movies this year. I mean, she's busy.
Speaker 1:That's crazy busy.
Speaker 4:Crazy busy.
Speaker 6:She's got kids and I don't know that's a lot to do, and she records three podcasts a week. She says she does it all in one day, though.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but that's just hers, but she does everybody's podcast.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, but I'm sure this is the top of her list, without a doubt.
Speaker 1:There's no doubt. There's no doubt. This is the pinnacle. No telling what she canceled to come on here. No telling the pinnacle.
Speaker 5:No telling what she canceled to come on here. No telling I forgot, did we? We didn't ask this or you did? You asked her california, tennessee, because I wanted to ask her even more in depth about the uh change, because she I think she was here in tennessee during her country career. She went back out to california and then, I think, around covid she came back. It was like I gotta get out.
Speaker 1:When she did the either or on california, she in tennessee, it didn't split second. She interrupted me, tennessee tennessee yeah, immediate.
Speaker 5:Everybody is now everybody's moving here neil, I like your little either, or you should uh that that should be one of your things I'm a songwriter.
Speaker 1:I'll try to come up with more. Yeah, I'll try to create some more either-ors.
Speaker 5:Either-or I like the either-or.
Speaker 1:Yeah we can. Did you spend a lot of time on that? I actually did on the way over I will say I was a little
Speaker 3:stunned that you sidestepped the question. Oh, yes, oh.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:I was a little, I don't know.
Speaker 5:Maybe you had something different to eat or maybe no.
Speaker 3:What was the question?
Speaker 5:you were talking about. I was a little disappointed. I was a little least favorite artist or something. Yeah, I too was. I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 3:Not, it's your right not to say I was just my, my image of you and what I, I know and, I'm sorry, believe in and how you are.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry I'm not getting soft. Don't get, don't, are you sure? Yeah, I'm not getting soft.
Speaker 3:Did someone say something to you that made?
Speaker 1:you feel bad?
Speaker 5:No, did an amazing DV get to you?
Speaker 3:Yes, he broke through the Iron man, the 10. Is it crap? Amazing, dv broke me. He may have, but I did notice when she asked it I was a little taken aback that you Hold on, did she?
Speaker 5:bring it up. Yeah, she asked.
Speaker 3:Neil who he didn't like, and he did not answer.
Speaker 1:I thought it was you.
Speaker 4:No, it was her and we went along and we said, oh, if there's any one of us that'll name it. It'll be Thrash, because he hates everything and he just sat there.
Speaker 3:He just sat there and then he didn't answer and it's almost like he was running for office.
Speaker 5:Well, maybe there's something there.
Speaker 3:Maybe, and then someone asked a tough question and he spun it and then didn't answer it and I was a little surprised Not that you have to answer it.
Speaker 1:Marsha Blackburn asked me to be lieutenant governor.
Speaker 5:Okay, That'd be amazing. You'd be an awesome lieutenant governor. I don't even know what the responsibilities are, but you'd be amazing.
Speaker 1:I wonder how many people out there are actually going to believe what I just said.
Speaker 3:Do you think it was because a woman asked you who you didn't like? Were you scared to say yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:That probably had a little bit to do with it, I mean, and I should have thought of Maren Morris right off the bat. Even though Maren Morris is a fantastic singer, her you know ideology is on another planet. I don't even think anyone even cares, she's so off the radar?
Speaker 3:They probably don't.
Speaker 1:They probably don't you know, Her record sold like three copies, I doubt she got groped? I really don't think she got groped.
Speaker 5:Probably little kid actually accidentally, so you guys, you, you started to talk.
Speaker 3:There was an incident at a. She says that she was groped at a, which she posted a like on social media. Like I want to let you know I was groped, like come on, I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna start using it. I gotta let you put it out there. I was gross, was that the word? And that's what she used. Her out Groped. That's what she used, groped or harassed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, groped or something like that. It's like oh, come on, I mean seriously. It's possible, it's fine. I mean just who cares.
Speaker 5:By the time this airs, this will be five days old, but breaking news Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey got engaged. You guys Great.
Speaker 3:He'll have like five catches this year. He's off my drop kings for sure.
Speaker 4:He just lost your fantasy stance.
Speaker 5:I'm going to text him.
Speaker 1:That was going to be big news.
Speaker 5:No, no, no.
Speaker 4:That would be huge.
Speaker 5:They're just engaged.
Speaker 1:I hope that they love each other. I really do.
Speaker 5:They seem like they do. I hope they do too, I hope at last.
Speaker 1:I would love last between those two.
Speaker 5:Wait a minute, you're a different Neil today.
Speaker 3:It's like imposter, neil Bizarro. Neil, where are you? Did you drink or not drink? Something Did you drink or not drink something.
Speaker 4:What is going on with you? Seriously, there's hope. You seem very mellow Really.
Speaker 1:And you're not aggressive.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're mellow and not angry and it's freaking me out. It's coming back. It'll be back, Okay.
Speaker 1:Something's weird. Give me a break. Give me a day to.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's the earlier podcast, like the daytime thing.
Speaker 1:I'm diving into Scripture a little bit, not a little bit a lot of it, okay, but not that I haven't been before. So you were looking at your stuff.
Speaker 3:Huh, you were looking at yourself. Some inner stuff, some zen, weird shit or something.
Speaker 1:No, no zen, definitely no zen.
Speaker 4:You start to read it and you think maybe I am an asshole.
Speaker 3:I think the amazing, I think he got to him.
Speaker 4:No, I know I'm an asshole.
Speaker 6:I think he got to him.
Speaker 3:I know I'm an asshole, oh my God.
Speaker 6:Trust me, you're not. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3:Being honest is not a bad thing. People have a hard time with honesty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I'm all about being truthful and honest.
Speaker 3:People have a hard time hearing the truth.
Speaker 5:You are two of the most truthful people I know.
Speaker 1:I love it. I couldn't think of anybody that I wanted to throw under the bus instantly. It happened quick. Now. I didn't think of anybody that I wanted to throw under the bus Instantly. It happened quick.
Speaker 5:Now you're not being truthful it did. You got blindsided a little bit, I did.
Speaker 1:I got blindsided because I was really trying to think of somebody that I don't like. There's a lot of them, but I probably don't need to throw that one under the bus just quite yet. Who was it? Well, I for sure.
Speaker 4:I mean there's reasons why that you wouldn't like. I wouldn't throw any artist under the bus that I didn't like, because I currently want to be on anybody's record that has a chance to get to radio.
Speaker 5:Come on, just name one not really.
Speaker 4:I really don't have anybody that I I don't listen to radio enough to be despised by anybody okay, I guarantee it wouldn't be mine, wouldn't be in the country field, it wouldn't.
Speaker 1:It would be in the, probably in the in the pop doesn't count or the rap, because you don't know them.
Speaker 3:That's true anyway, all right, I don't think I would throw anybody I know, under the bus though either no well, I mean no well, it's good to be. Everybody loves us.
Speaker 5:So yeah, yeah, uh, we need to make sure we thank janna again she's got a lot of things she could be doing, and today probably wasn't on the top of her list of things she was wanting to do.
Speaker 6:I'm sure she can't wait to do it.
Speaker 5:She was here and that was awesome. She was incredible. I thought that was a lot of fun. She was. Leave us a comment. Let us know what you thought about Jana. Let us know who your least favorite country artist might be or pop artist that was fantastic. Leave us least favorite country artist might be or pop artist. That was fantastic. Leave us a review. Download the episode. Do all the stuff. Follow us on insta x, tiktok, myspace there we go.
Speaker 3:Did you guys have myspace? Did you guys have?
Speaker 5:myspace facebook. Yeah, you did have a myspace, we had a myspace. Yeah, I had a myspace yeah, I didn't have it.
Speaker 4:I barely have a Facebook.
Speaker 5:Anyway, obviously we want to thank Patriot, Mobile, espaces, original Glory. Those guys are always amazing to us. We appreciate them all. We appreciate Janet Kramer. I appreciate TK K-Lo Thrash. I'm Kurt and Kurt.
Speaker 1:This is the Try, that Small Town Podcast. What's up? We're back to Kurt. I don't know what we're back to All right, call me what you want, how about?
Speaker 4:good-looking guy in a white T-shirt.
Speaker 5:I'll call him that, me and you.