Try That in a Small Town Podcast
In 2023, Jason Aldean's groundbreaking song and video "Try That In A Small Town" resonated with a resurgence of conservative values in America. The writers of the song, Kurt, Neil, Tully, and Kelley, took the opportunity to launch the Try That In A Small Town Podcast. This platform allows them to reveal the true inspiration behind the song and discuss the importance of common-sense values. With a lineup of influential guests, the hosts will entertain you with the stories behind their music, while also addressing challenging topics affecting our communities and country.
Try That in a Small Town Podcast
Remembering Brett James: Nashville's Songwriting Legend :: Ep 75 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
Loss has a way of reordering priorities and bringing perspective like nothing else can. When Nashville songwriting legend Brett James died in a plane crash, our podcast world was rocked to its core – and it came just weeks after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
This special episode captures our raw, unfiltered processing of grief in real-time. Brett wasn't just a songwriter with over 500 recorded songs and hits for artists like Carrie Underwood, Jason Aldean, and Kenny Chesney. He was our friend, our collaborator, and a true champion for others in an industry that can sometimes breed competition and ego.
We share personal stories that capture Brett's essence – from his legendary good looks and perfect hair (even after wearing a motorcycle helmet) to his genuine kindness and support for young songwriters. The stories flow naturally as we remember writing sessions, performances, and even a memorable plane ride with Brett piloting. His recent social media post now feels prophetic: "Now's a good time to tell the people that you love, you love 'em."
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we process not just Brett's passing but also Charlie Kirk's assassination and the remarkable forgiveness shown by Kirk's wife at his memorial service. We explore the spiritual dimensions of these losses and how they've clarified what truly matters – relationships, faith, and not taking people for granted.
Whether you knew Brett James or not, this episode offers a powerful reminder about living intentionally and expressing love while we can. As we navigate our grief together, we hope these reflections might help others processing their own losses or reconsidering what truly matters in life.
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One of the last shows is me and him and De Stefano and my wife Rachel. She books uh she booked the particular shows in Montana and we're on this ranch and everything and and Rachel and I were upstairs and we're she's helping go out on the deck, you know, just sit out for a little while. I said, hang on a second. And I looked out there and it was and it was Brett. It was in the afternoon. He has had his shirt off. He's talking to his wife on the on the phone, is just putting his hair back like that. And I said, I said, no, I don't think we need it. Let's go out front.
SPEAKER_06:Let's walk out front. I wonder what what AOC's handshake is like.
SPEAKER_05:Probably firm. Probably firm. Very firm and say firmly. Firm and angry. You know, it's an angry handshake. Just gets like that. Just pissed all the time. Just dark pissed.
SPEAKER_08:There's nobody better at that than Jason, though. Because he's so genuine and authentic. When he speaks about something, it's so unscripted and so real that people get touched by it. Like it's not like a planned thing. And so when he talked about Brett before he did the truth, you could have heard a pin drop. I'll never forget that just because it was. You know, I knew that Brett was listening.
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SPEAKER_06:I can't muster that voice up tonight. I just gotta get warmed up. It's a little dark outside.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it is. We got Thrash, Kalo, TK, I'm Kurt. Thanks for joining us. Um man, it's been it's been a heavy couple weeks, dudes, and don't want to start the podcast necessarily on a down note, but I don't know how else to do it. Um obviously we're a couple weeks removed from Charlie Kirk and his assassination, uh, which has been a completely heavy, heavy moment. Just uh the actual event, the response to it. Uh and then just a few days ago, all of our good friend Brett James died in a plane crash in North Carolina, which I don't know where you guys were. We were on the road when we got the news, and it was disbelief at first. And actually, it might still be disbelief for me. I don't know.
SPEAKER_06:It really is. It's like still processing, hadn't even processed it yet.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you know. And sometimes as men, and I know I do this, especially we're out in the road. I don't know why we're not in Nashville, so I kind of just put it aside. I know I haven't processed it. And you know, all I can think about is you know, as kids, and it just it just breaks my heart. And sometimes I just kind of push it away. But uh, where were you guys when you found out?
SPEAKER_05:Uh y'all y'all were on the you guys were on the road. Um I guess for me, um, uh well, I know exactly where I was. I was in uh baby Lucy's room, I was feeding her, getting her down, and it's and all I can do in there, you know, is is I have my phone because it's really bright in a super dark room. So I've had my phone way down this recliner, and I'm and I'm like this, so she doesn't see me. I'm just looking, and I start getting I start getting a couple texts, and then Rachel, my wife, had had said, Hey, have you heard anything about Brett? And I'm like, it's one half, you know, if you're used to texting with Thune, I'm I'm saying, no, what's what's going on? And then then started uh you know getting getting reports, people saying, Oh, we're not really sure, but there's a single engine plane, you know, that took off from Thune Airport, and the Thune Airport's what what got me a little bit, even though they weren't releasing his name. And at the time I didn't know that that they released the tail number and they put it to where it was Brett's uh plane, but but um but I know that's where he keeps his plane, and I know that's where he takes off because I've landed there with him one time, we'll talk about that later. But that's when I really thought, oh crap, it's you know, that could it could be him. And so you're texting everybody you know, and then and I even text Brett, you know. I said, I said, hey dude, say please tell me you're okay. Then Neil calls me and said, How'd you hear and then we talked and he knew more than I didn't know?
SPEAKER_06:But I didn't know anything until Tully called me because they heard they found out out there before I knew. And Tully called me and it was just like and and it was real quick because I could tell y'all were like busy and you guys.
SPEAKER_08:It was even it was we were getting ready for the for the show, it's getting pretty close. Yeah. Such a surreal Brett was such a a great and he's he was I remember he's it's hard to even talk about it, but we started to know him back in the day when we were doing a lot of sessions, like demos, and he was always around on a song or his song, and this is years and I mean years ago, and we started producing a lot and we were producing Thompson Square. And he was writing a lot then with with those guys. And he was he was just a fabric of like everything we were doing, he seemed to be involved in it some way. Uh whether it's a song we're doing with Al Deen or a song we're writing with him or something we're producing that he had a song on, and it's just a a great always a supporter of he used to come to the showcases and we were doing with Al Deen, you know. This is back to the like late 90s, you know what I mean? Um so it's just kind of a really surreal moment, and he's just such a supporter of the community, like a legit. I think a lot of people uh I think in Nashville we like to say that it's a supportive community, and for the most part it can be. Not always. But I can say with 100% that Brett pulled for everybody. Yeah. I I do know that. Like I I could I I you know, I remember when he was.
SPEAKER_06:It hit harder for us because he's he's like you know how you know how songwriters in Nashville have generations. We have we have this generation and he was part of our generation. You know, we all came up and did our stuff all together.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_06:Went went to the award shows together.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, in our in our class. Yeah, it was our same class.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, right. Yeah, and it it really hit hard. No, you know, just for that fact alone. I mean, when you leave somebody in your community like that that you look up to he was I mean, he was uh he was an inspiration to so many writers, young writers that came in. And he's his publishing companies, the writers that he signed over there, he was very successful at that. And um man, it was it was tough hearing that news. It was really, really tough.
SPEAKER_08:Makes me think of all the things I was thinking about it today. Like we get so used to seeing everybody around and working with everybody. Uh we would always every year this time of year be like, hey, we're going skiing this year. This is the year we're gonna go ski 'cause we always talk about going skiing, like we gotta go skiing together. He's like, it's happening this year, and we make the plan and it wouldn't happen. And then and then it this happens, and you're like, you know, it me it instantly made me think about you guys and everybody and and just take for granted how uh how we just assume we're always gonna be around. I know. And how we get to prepare for when someone is gonna leave us, and we don't get to prepare.
SPEAKER_04:It reminds me he had that thing on his Instagram that started making the rounds, and I think I reposted it too, but it was just he wrote out a note. Now's a good time to tell the people that you love, you love 'em. I'm not sure what it was or when he did that, but God did that hit after seeing that. Yeah. And we, you know, Justin Weaver, who is a good friend of Valdean's, he wrote over there at Cornman for Brett and obviously hit him very hard. We know Lydia Vaughn very well, who writes over there. Both of them say Brett was such, and to get to Tolley's point, same thing, such a champion to the younger people and the younger, the new generation, because he took pride in what this generation did and wanted the next to be that. Those guys, uh, like I know Justin and Lydia, they've they're obviously really taking it to heart as well.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and uh and and Nate. Nate uh and you know, and Cornel Cornelius, that's where Cornman came from. That's his you know last name, and uh, which is which is interesting. And whenever you whenever I did write with Brett over the last you know few months or a little bit, last time I wrote with him, I think, was with one of his new writers, Chris August, who's a great uh writer, talent comes from contemporary Christian world, but but really cool guy. And then Brett came over there, uh which is in Franklin, it's a long, long way away from his publishing company. Like if it's me, I would want to write at my publishing company, have all my stuff there. And I said, Hey, it's cool you came all the way out out here to do that. And he goes, Yeah, he goes, I'm not too far away. And he goes, plus the fact he goes, because everybody at my publishing company loves it when I'm not there, you know. And then too, I I don't know if we just for the listeners out there, like we all know all all of Nashville knows uh Brett James and everybody would know his songs. But I mean he's he's had over 500 songs recorded and some of your favorites. He's wanted Grammy, you know. Um he's had uh I mean Jesus Take the Wheel was a was a huge song. Um he's had but you know the truth, which we can talk about with Al Dean, which is a which is a huge thing. And Al Deen even made a comment uh uh about and so did Carrie, you know, about Brett and how how much they loved him his work and everything. So he's just done he's just done so many, so many things and so many hits. Um it's just uh a huge huge loss music wise, much less the way that everybody loved him and we miss him here tonight.
SPEAKER_08:He was really fun to I I was telling Neil this today, Kurt, the last time I saw Brett, a month and a half too, a couple months ago, I can't remember before the tour started. I think it was right before the tour started. We were down at BMG writing and writing is Neil was there and David Lee Murphy, and we walk out to the to get coffee and and out walks Brett. He was writing some new artists, he walks out of the room and we're all talking. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at Brett and Neil and David Murphy all within two feet, and I'm like, holy crap, like three of the most badass singers this town's ever had right here. I mean, this might this might explode. We might explode. And and I remember just Brett always he loved working. I'm I every time I wrote with him, he would grind, we would work, and and it's so much fun. I caught myself after it happened laying on the bus in my bunk uh after the show, going through all the songs he wrote and listened to him sing. You know, and it's it's the same thing when when Neil sings, it's the same thing when when David Lee Murphy sings and Brett Brett sang. It was like just make you feel every word of that of that song. And then the reason why those artists connect with these songs is guys like Brett and Neil and David Lee.
SPEAKER_06:Seriously, it's like you know it's it's he was one of those guys when I was because I've actually spent more time with Brett away from the row. Um our kids went to school together, we'd see each other football games or we did a round, we'd do writers round together, done a bunch of writers' rounds with him or playing golf. And it was it wasn't really music related other than than the uh the writers' rounds that we did. But he's like one of the one of a small handful of singers that when we were doing a round and he'd start singing, and I just you know, I'm just kinda like and then I'd close my eyes when he would do like No and You that Kenny cut and The Truth that Hal Dean cut.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah and the Kelly Clarkson uh song. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Um how he'd sing those Czech songs and still make them sound cool when he did it. They're great. Yeah. He was the epitome of badass. He really was. Brett was badass.
SPEAKER_08:Brett was Brett was cool. He's a cool dude, and just it was it's such a a gutting feeling, and and all you can do is is know that God's got a plan, and it's hard to understand that plan. It makes no sense sometimes, and it certainly doesn't make sense this time or any time for that matter, when you're not prepared for something, but it's such a uh it's uh it's weird not having him in town. Knowing that he's not in town. Yeah. I felt this way when uh Michael Rhodes, the great bass player, passed away three, four years ago. And a staple of the musician industry in in this town and set the bar. I always said Michael Rhodes was probably the whatever town he was in, he was the best in in that town, no matter who you know. And same thing when he when he passed away. It just feels weird him not being in town. It feels weird Brett not being in town. You could you you're writing with him, and next thing you know, you see him the next day, he's somewhere else, you know. So yeah, it's it's a great, it's a great loss, also a great celebration of how many people he touched. You can see all the tributes and how he did it right, you know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he did he didn't just kind of sneak into a room, like when he entered a room, you knew he was in there. Like I can come in, you got a ball cap on, and nobody really notices. He comes in, it's like Tarzan walking in slow motion, his beautiful hair is blowing in the wind, you know. And we'd go on a show, like one of the one of the last shows is me and him and De Stefano and my wife Rachel, she books uh she booked the particular shows in Montana and we're on this ranch and everything, and and um and Rachel and I were upstairs and we're fixing to we're fixing to go down. She goes, I think I'm gonna go out go out there on the deck. And I'd already been downstairs to see De Stefano's down there working out. He's got all jacked up and he's down there pretty much his underwear, no shirt. And and she goes, I'm gonna go get a coffee. So I get it, I get it, I get it. And then so I brought up the coffee, and then she says, She says, How many go out on the deck? You know, just sit out for a little while. I said, Hang on a second. And I looked out there and it was and it was bread. It was in the afternoon. He has had his shirt off. He's talking to his wife on the on the phone, is just putting his hair back like that. And I said, I said, No, I don't think we need, let's go out front. Let's walk out front. But but yeah, I always always tease her, you know, she she would say if there was a show, she goes, Well, I might need to advance the show and and get up there and make sure the guys are okay. Like if there's a show I wasn't on, I said, I said, well, who's on the show? I said, Well, I think I think maybe Decephino, maybe Tim Nichols, possibly Brett J. Brett, no, no, no, no, no, you don't need to go up there and advance the show. But anyway, just a really good looking guy. And um, and but just such such a good heart. Uh it's always a lot of fun just on shows. And that's that's the main time I spent. I didn't write tons with Brett. I mainly saw him at shows and everything, and he had he had fun and everybody. And I love bringing him, you know, somewhere that they hadn't seen him or heard him, because it's kind of like it's bringing like bringing nil, it's like show and tell. You know, you're saying, hey, these are my buddies, and they're really cool and they're great, you know, and uh it makes you look a lot better.
SPEAKER_08:So it's certainly certainly gonna miss that that guy around town and just in general, just you know.
SPEAKER_06:It always hurts when you lose one of your own. Yeah, you know? And that's when you realize you're like, guys you can take it for granted.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:It's real easy to do. It's and until it hits it wake up. It's a little wake-up call, but you know.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we did the show that night, and you know, like we're just still talking, we're in disbelief, we're going through talking about it, then we have to go on and play the show, which is a weird feeling. But for some reason, for the first half of the show, it's like, I'm okay, we're doing good. This is a fun show. We're we're doing them. We get to the truth, uh, Al Dean stops and says some really great words, and we bust into the truth. And I know you felt this way too, and all of a sudden it was like, Oh, I don't know if I can do this. Played that one through the show. It'd be hard to get through. It was really hard to get through, and the rest of the show was hard to get through. You know, because the lights come up, I you know, everybody's got their phones now. And in our age, people used to put up lighters, but now they do the phones. Dude, the phones were shining. It was and I know we all had a hard time getting through. It was tough to get through.
SPEAKER_08:It was, it was, it was tears in the eyeballs, man. It was like seeing those all those lights up and and knowing Brett was hearing that one.
SPEAKER_05:You know, did you guys talk to Aldine after did he say anything? Because he's singing that, and I know you guys are singing background stuff. Did he did he talk about how difficult that was to sing that night? Or did y'all just not talk about it?
SPEAKER_08:The thing about this is we were talking without talking. That's how long we've been together. Yeah. You know, we he shot me a look after we finished a song, and just one of his looks just like that. That's all that needed to be said. You know, it was like you know, it's part of the gift we've had of and the blessing of being in a band so long where it's just it's kind of the same thing we we approach after Vegas a lot, a lot, you know, when when something you just kind of get through it and you you can say a lot without saying anything, if that makes sense. So that's after right after we we finished the last note of that and he just looked and just it was that was all that we had to say about it, you know. It was it was really tough though. It was like and what's interesting is we played three shows and that was tough, and the second night I felt like a celebration more than sadness, but the last night it got me again, the third show. Dude, the third night got me again.
SPEAKER_04:There was everybody had their phone. Because I think news had finally gotten around and people were starting to understand who Brett was. And yeah, I agree. The third night was very moving.
SPEAKER_08:Jason's there's nobody better at that than Jason though, uh because he's so genuine and authentic. It's like it it it's it's it's the same thing when when uh Charlie got shot and passed, you know, and and and when he speaks about something it's so unscripted and so real that people get touched by it. Like it's not like a planned thing, you know? And so when he talked about Brett before he did the truth, you could have heard a pin drop. I mean, it was just he's got a way of like that moment when he did in those three shows doing the truth, I'll never forget that just because it was you know, I knew that Brett was listening, you know. And he loved that song. He loved I remember after we after he heard the cut of that song, and like we were like either writing with him or doing a session, I can't remember, but he was like so blown away by the cut of that song and Jason singing it. You know, I just I know that it meant a lot to Brett that that song did what it did, you know.
SPEAKER_05:So yeah, and I was thinking too, um, I know he's real close with Chesney and he's had huge hits with Chesney. They have a great friendship, but uh you know, when the sun goes down was an epic smash. And then I thought about uh Kenny today, kind of just looking because you kind of you can't remember what how many songs that Brett's been a part of, but um we went out last night, and I know the story only because the shows we play with Brett and he tells the story about him and Kenny and and they they wrote that song. Uh it came, you know, uh Brett was just fooling around with the melody. Kennedy slept in a little bit. I guess they're in at an island or something somewhere exotic and wonderful. But uh anyway, so Brett was already up sipping, you know, drinking coffee, and and Kenny had this sliding glass door, and he just stuck his head out the door and he says, We went out last night. And then Brett just started working on it, and that that you know, and that came to be. And so you got you know that that Chesney every night he performs that just like you guys, and Al Dean uh performing the truth. Um, he's gonna think about that every single time, and not just the song, but what they were doing and what a good time they had, and and um anyway, because I used to sit next to him in these rounds and he would go into when the sun goes down, and he wrote it by himself.
SPEAKER_06:Dude, and do you know the rest of the story?
SPEAKER_04:Like I think he wrote it on the way to the session.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and that's what I would always go, you son of a he didn't have enough songs for the session. It was but it was the the fact that that song was so simple, but it was so good. Yeah, so good, you know, and it and it was so commercial and it was so kinny. There was no way in hell it wasn't gonna be shit. No way. You're right. There's and for him to do that in that short a period of time to write that song by himself, yeah, it makes you kind of jealous. Like very much.
SPEAKER_04:And the ability to not overthink it, you know, because there's a there's a genius in that. That's a fact.
SPEAKER_06:And people don't realize that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I don't know if it was like because I remember him telling us a story, but I can't remember if it was the second verse or if it was like the majority of it, but whatever it was, it was on the way to the session. He didn't have enough songs, and so he was just like, well, in this car, he basically just made up the words, and there it was.
SPEAKER_08:Well, it's like Daily Murphy writing Dustin the Bottle on the Kitchen Table that morning before we went to do to cut the album. That's right. Yeah, you know, but I remember one of my favorite stories about Brett, Kurt, you remember this? We're uh the first time we played Fenway. Um, and I think like Miranda was on it with us and that first show we did at Fenway years and years ago, the first time we did it. Well, Brett was out writing with her, and we're getting ready to go down to get ready to play. And I think I think Miranda had she was either going to play or just finished, but Brett comes out in those black leather pants, you know, looking like I said, damn, are you playing with us tonight? You know? He's always just so freaking cool. Always cool, always like like Dan, you're cool. You know, you know, it's just it's yeah, he never looked bad.
SPEAKER_06:Ever. Ever. He looked, I mean it had to take him hours. He used to get up early looking like that.
SPEAKER_04:Carrie had some grenades that he came in on his motorcycle, you know, of course, with this helmet. And somehow, even after having the helmet on for hours, he came up and his hair is still purple.
SPEAKER_05:He might have worked out a little bit. Yeah, yeah. So uh he he was the guy at the pool. He didn't leave his shirt on like most other people. Yeah. So um swim shirt? Yeah. I'm wearing swim shirt. He was okay without he was okay without, you know. I'd be tell you tell your wife said, Hey, hey, look at that beautiful sunset over there. Brett, go, go, go, go.
SPEAKER_06:I'm glad we can remember him like this. And remember remember stories and laugh. Yeah, because he was he he's a he's a legend. Absolutely in the songwriting community. He's a he's you know, and I it was a force.
SPEAKER_08:And and you know, I always talk about this with guys like like you know, Mike Delaney and Daly Murphy and and Brett Twineleys where he wrote because there was a time when we were, you know, playing we were session players playing with Jason and on the road, and we were session players in town, and no one looked at us like we were really writing, you know, because we wrote, but we were always gone on the road. So we never really wrote people didn't know us in that facet, they just knew us in the chair in the studio. And I remember Brett writing with us really early when he didn't have to. He didn't have to write with us. I like and and and David Lee and Delaney did the same thing, writing with us when everyone thought we were just players, you know. But Breba come in and write and have a great time, and he'd sit there and spend all day writing songs, and it just I really he he was a champion for everybody. I just feel like he loved seeing everybody win. I really do like like I think he's one of the few people I can I can say that really was loved seeing people have success. You know? It was a good man.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and he and for for some of the people that that don't know, I mean his his story, you know, even coming in was interesting because he's a smart guy and and he's you know he was in medical school, you know, and then he was you know playing around the songs and everything, moved to Nashville, he gets a record deal or two, puts out a few things, but nothing really hit. He had some things out that charted and everything, and and so he reapplied, you know, to medical school. Um and then but he was still having some success. I think he signed at uh Terracell Music, which was Mark Bright's uh company, and and uh and I think for a year or something like that. And in the midst of it, he got accepted back to medical school. Things weren't really happening, so he went, so he went back. And then then when he went back, he all of a sudden he started getting some cuts. You know, ended up, I think he had 33 cuts during that, you know, one year or two-year period. Um and uh and so he went to the you know, however you go to the school, the top of the medical school and say, hey, I'm gonna have to go back to Nashville, I think. And he said, Well, you probably should, but you can't come back again. He said, All right. But anyway, it worked out good for him. So he could have he could have done anything he wanted to do. And um when he got here, and to really all all the points that we're that we're talking about, I mean he's he's not just your standard issue songwriter, you know, and you know, much like Neil, he's an he's an artist. And the artist writers are different, they write different because they it just needs to sound good when they sing it. And sometimes the problem with somebody who sings so good is that all the lines sound good, you know, because sometimes you can't tell, is that a good line or is it just because you're singing it so dang good, you know? Um but he was, and I remember uh Rivers Rutford said this uh uh years ago, and he said hey, he said, he said, hey Kalo, there's there's two types of writers. There's there's generators and editors. That's the two. And I I think there's actually more categories now, but but um but Brett was a generator, you know, like he would just spit it out. He doesn't have to have you to write a hit song, so you think about okay, what can I bring to him that he doesn't have? Can I bring this idea? Can I bring this birth? Can I bring, you know, and and he would just make it, he would just make it happen and he would make it cool and make you sound more talented than you were.
SPEAKER_04:100%.
SPEAKER_06:But he was a team player.
SPEAKER_08:Oh yeah. No doubt about it. But he was, I remember at the at the little you know, publishing house, you know, he was working with Kit Moore. Kit Moore was living upstairs, you know. But and you walk in there to write, and it was a cool cool place. You had all kinds of stuff going on, excitement. You know, we'd write we writing with Justin Weaver when he was in that front room and you walk in, and Brett would come in, pop in, and like, man, this is this is a great atmosphere to be creative. Because he was creative. It wasn't like a it didn't feel like a business, it felt like a place to be creative. You know, and that's and that's what he was, you know. So really gonna miss that guy.
SPEAKER_06:But yeah, but uh lucky to There's a void, there's a void on music row right now. Yeah, it's been it's been a heavy he'll be missed.
SPEAKER_08:And then and then in our guitar player Jack, our brother, his mom passed last week, and then you know Charlie had got shot the week before, and it was like then Brett, and it's like man, it's just like uh Yeah, it's been a lot.
SPEAKER_04:And speaking of Charlie, we're we're recording this on Monday. The yesterday was the celebration, basically. Did you guys watch any of that? Yep.
SPEAKER_05:I watched a lot of it.
SPEAKER_04:I couldn't get all of it, but uh how incredible was that, and I know if you didn't see it live, you probably saw the clips of Erica and her oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah and forgiving the sh the the shooter and it's like pretty much what everybody will remember from that. Because on the human scale, even as a Christian, you're thinking, God, that's that's hardcore to to be able to do that that quickly, even the thought of trying to do it is impressive.
SPEAKER_06:Because she knows that's what Charlie would have wanted.
SPEAKER_08:Yep. I think so too. Still processing that situation where it's like crazy that happened. Killed shot. That's just crazy to me. This even happened. It's still it it's hard to take that in. You know? I don't know. It's a lot.
SPEAKER_05:It's it's a it's a lot, you know, but like uh you know, Neil was saying earlier, it's like uh you know, like with Charlie, I mean I mean things have really e exploded, I mean, for for just the kingdom of God and all the young people that he was, you know, talking to on those college campuses. And even me, I knew I I listened to some of the stuff, you know, but but not not as much as I've listened to since he's passed. I mean I've watched not every video because you can't, there's so many of them, but I'm just watching them like uh just over and over again and and and just watching how he debated and and respected the other side, super smart guy. Um didn't you know didn't go to college, but but he but but he was well read and he was well studied and everything and and uh his impact now is is I mean it's gonna I mean it's already exploding. Yeah. You know, so it's just uh unbelievable. Um you know, the plan that God has uh when some evil things happen.
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SPEAKER_04:Alright, welcome back to the Try That Small Town Podcast. I'm the Patriot Mobile Studios, powered by eSpaces, and of course we're going to thank Original Glory Beer as well. You know, we always say we wanna we should record our break. Usually it's about five minutes, and we're just talking about whatever, and it can usually be funny or whatever. But this time our break was probably 30 minutes, and we kept talking and we were reflecting on Brett. But um we you started to tell the story, but when we said, let's save it, so you had a story that you wanted to talk about.
SPEAKER_05:Oh yeah, I mean, like a a lot of Brett's friends, you know, I've uh I've been in his plane before. He he loved he loved to fly, you know. Um and and and for me, I've just never been like my dad never liked you know single-engine planes. I've just never really liked them. I don't love I don't love flying, you know, all to all together, but but you know, you got to, you know, so so we do it and stuff. And so he had actually contacted me before we had me and him and Rivers Rutherford had a show in in Charlotte, and and Brett had asked me, you know, said said, Hey Kayla, why don't you just fly with me? I said, I'm going going up there, you know. And and I and I and I and I didn't. It was a text. And I thought, oh, how do I respond to that because I because I really didn't want to, but I didn't want to hurt his feelings, you know. And uh and so finally I texted him back and I said, I said, hey Brett, I said, here's the thing. I said I said, I'm I'm sure you're fully capable. I know you're a smart dude, and I know you love flying and everything, but I don't want the anxiety, my anxiety uh to ruin your flying experience. You know, so it's something like that to make it sound as loving as possible. He says, he says, no problem. So so anyway, so I flew southwest and then we we did that, and then we played, we did our show, then we played golf the next day. And the clients had kept, you know, if I know I'm late everywhere, except the one place I like to get uh to on time, even early, is the airport. Uh so I do like to get there really, really early.
SPEAKER_06:Think of us as the airport next. I thought you were gonna say that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's a good idea. I could Terminal one. Yeah, terminal one. Try that in a small town podcast. Um but anyway, so I'd been telling them, hey, I kind of need to bolt, I'm flying in a couple hours. And they're like, Oh, you can get there in 10 minutes. We're 10 minutes from the airport. And as they kept dragging it on, kept dragging it on, and they were eating lunch or having beers and stuff, and I was getting stressed out, and I was like, I mean, no way we're gonna have time to get to that. And then sure enough, by the time they had a car, you know, come get us, you know, it was it was I was looking at it and I was thinking there's no way. And um Rivers, he had it, he was going somewhere else, but Brett and I were both going back to Nashville, and Brett had his plan. And and I and I said, I said, yeah, I said, I I said, I I don't I don't think I'm gonna make it. And then Brett just looks over at me and says, Looks like it's you and me, boss. And I I said, I said, I said, yeah, I said it does. I said it does. And so so there was like a quick mart or circle K or something. I s and I asked the driver, I said, Hey, can you pull over to that uh that little uh service station there? And he goes, he goes, Yep, I went in there and I got a 12 pack of of uh middle light. And and uh and he said he said, You ready? I said I said, I think so. I said, so we so we got there and he and uh and and part of it was kind of it's kind of cool. I mean, it was very nice playing and everything, but we got in there, it's really really small, but I got my got my 12 pack in there. Not that I was planning on you know down at the whole whole 12, you know, but uh but I got a good I got a good lick on it. But uh but anyway, so I so I made it kind of a you know kind of a party, you know, a little bit. But but I'll I'll say when he was when he was up there and flying that plane, one, I get it. I got it when I once I was up there because you're flying lower, you know, so you get to see everything. It's like 10 to 15,000 feet, and we're flying over the smoke. It's really beautiful. And uh and the whole experience was great, and he loved it, and he kind of put me at peace, you know, just because he was good at what he enjoyed doing. And it was uh he loved doing it. He loved it, he loved doing it. And you know, and a lot of people will will say and have commented, you know, well, you hey you shouldn't be flying those planes, or you know, whatever, but that's the thing, he loved doing it. He he liked he likes riding uh Harleys and flying planes, so do thousands of other people. It was just his joy. And um and he just he just loved doing it. And so so I I'm actually as uh I'm actually so glad I had that experience with him because it was just uh it was it was just uh it was just funny. He was that's a great thing.
SPEAKER_08:He lived, he was always taking trips or going to skiing, or we talked about every year like he was always doing some crazy ski trip somewhere. Yeah, yeah. He he lived. He lived, he really did. He lived.
SPEAKER_06:And if anybody needs to know anything about Brett at the end of the day, yeah, he was a believer. And if there's any any peace to his passing, is that we all know that about him. That he was a believer. And there's a lot of peace in knowing with that guy.
SPEAKER_05:For sure. Yeah, he actually uh uh went to the same church I go to and my um mom and brother uh Rolling Hills, which is just down the road in Franklin of Columbia. And um and I would I wouldn't go to church with him, I would see him because he believe it or not, I go to the late service and he went to the early service. But uh I'd I'd pass him every now and then coming out of there. And Jeff Simmons, the the preacher, is actually one of his uh super close friends, and they they went to college together and uh I think Boston, Boston College. And um uh but anyway, and they were very tight, and I know they talked about all things biblical and and and Christ and theology and all that stuff, so I I know he's a believer too, and you can tell just by the way he carried himself. Yeah, dude had major peace, you know, just all the time. He never seemed stressed out about anything. And um, but yeah, you're right, that is something you can you can uh rest in for sure.
SPEAKER_04:You know, I hope Tully had mentioned this before. It's like sometimes most of the times you take people for granted. And we're talking about them now as opposed to last week. Why didn't I reach out and just hug the guy or say, hey man, I'm thinking about you, I love ya. And you try to take moments like this and and really take that to heart and reach out to the people you love and don't take them for granted, even though it's human nature and that is what you do, but I hope this is a a reminder for us as we go. And I love you guys, not just saying that, I absolutely love you guys.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we've we've said since since then, even on our text threads, there's been a lot more. Hey, love you guys, look forward to seeing you guys. I know it's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_08:Well, something's hit this this one hits different, almost like a a little bit of a kick in the ass for myself to be more conscious of that, where it's like, you know, we're not we don't get this we're not always gonna be here. Man, that's really a lesson this time to like learn from. You know. I hope so. I hope we challenge each other to Yeah, I don't know. I know I've gotta be better. I guess I I think a little it a lot, but it's like, man, like I keep saying, God, I should have made the time to go skiing together. Yeah, I should have like that's you know, should have instead of talking about it, try to actually do more of the stuff with the people that you love instead of thinking about it, you know, actually doing it and you know thinking about it as too late.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. You know. Well, and and for you know, for me and maybe for a lot of people, I mean, over the last few years I've had a couple relationships go sideways, uh, neither of which were my fault. Of course. Uh at all. However, it does make me I can verify that. It does make me want to want to go and just at least talk to them. And you don't have to be on the same level of friends where you were, but just to kind of because I'm fine, you know, but I've been trying to get just to you know, but just to kind of but just kind of clear up some things, or if there's something that maybe it says, yeah, but you you said this or whatever is oh I totally I didn't know that, you know, and just have a chance to clear the air while while you're here and um you know so do you think you'll do that? I think it will. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But I believe I think at the end of the day, Kalo's gonna be the only one with the humility, with the uh courage to admit anything. And that's okay though. He'll be the only one in the conversation. And that's fine though, because at least he'll get to absolutely mind for him. You can't control that. I made the attempt.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, at least you tried. Yes, you know.
SPEAKER_06:That's right. That's right. Yeah. That's exactly right. And everybody every and everybody needs to remember, I wanted to say this a while ago. Everybody needs to you need to keep all these people, Charlie Kirk's family, Brett James family, keep them. Yeah, Davy for sure. All you prayer warriors out there. I hope we have a lot of prayer warrior listeners. That's a good point. Yeah. And pray for those people. Pray for the ones who are still here because uh they're in a better place. The ones who have gone on are in a better place. And they're probably feeling sorry for us right now. Keep their fail their families in your prayers. That's such a good point.
SPEAKER_04:You know, it's it's human nature also, and the world and the news. It's like something else is gonna happen next week, and we'll be like, oh my gosh, did you hear about this? Oh my gosh, did you hear about this? What's next? And sometimes you forget about these moments and continuing to do that because they're still gonna be going through that, those families. And you know, it's gonna be a while. If not the rest of their lives, that's something that they have to get over to get through it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:It didn't make me think though, there was a there was a um on your point, Caleb, about kind of maybe catching up with people that then apart from for whatever reason. You know, I won't go into names either, but like a writer that used to write for Brett that we worked with, it kind of kind of gave me and Kurt the shaft, you know, a few years ago and a couple little things. And looking back on it, it's like we were pretty close to this person. It's like I actually thought a couple days ago I'm like, I'm gonna reach back out and just try to pick up maybe where we all left off because it's like it's it's life's too short to like it's it's it's not nothing's a big deal. You know what I'm saying? In the grand scheme of things. Like in the grand scheme of things, like like what is a what is really matters and what's a big deal? Certainly not what what we were upset about or I was upset about, or you were you know what I'm saying, all right? You know, so what are we what are we doing early? I know. What we what we're talking about doing is just reconnecting and trying to.
SPEAKER_06:If you're the if you're a true believer in forgiveness, you listen to what Erica Kirk said, yeah. Oh my gosh. You know, she forgave the killer, yeah, the assassin of her husband. If you're a true believer in forgiveness, be the one to make the first call. Be the be the one to reach out. Like you were just talking about, like you're talking about.
SPEAKER_08:That's that's the thing, like that that's that's probably a good lesson here, is to like take the high road and make the first call. You know, just being estranged from someone you worked with and had success with for what reason? Because of a little bit of money or a little bit of notoriety or a little bit of whatever isn't in the scheme of things.
SPEAKER_06:There's a lot of ego in this town. Yeah, you're right, dude. You're right. There's a lot of ego in this town.
SPEAKER_08:There's a lot. There's a lot of ego at this table. That's like the exact same thing. Why did you say that? No, but I bet that's I mean, there is a but that but there is, but it it's navigating that in this town, which is which is it's tough because there is so much. Are you talking about yourself? No, I uh uh at the table, not this. It this side of the trail. Which side, Tully? Which I don't know. But they I mean you can get caught up in it. And it and you and it's it's oh it's so easy. It's so easy. That's the human side of it. Yeah, it's it's it's competitive and there's ego and but man, at what cost? You know, because you end up you know like falling out with people that really it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_05:Uh and and at some point, you know, for everybody, you know, regardless of where you are in the industry or what what your age is, at some point in time the business will be over. Whatever business you're in. Yeah. You know, and and so you know, they're who you gonna hang out with? You know, is it just gonna be the people that you made money with? Is that why you're with them? Is that why they're with you? So start thinking about those things earlier in life.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, you better like your spouse. You know.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that helps. You better like that helps. And then uh and then also too, and I think uh telly or one was talking about this on the on the break, is like for for the people um that are just kind of just just mean people or just saying mean things, whether it's Charlie Kirk or or about Brett James and and uh it's a it it's ri it's really amazing. And I'm not we can get on a positive thing, I don't want to end on a negative, but but if you just if you don't like somebody just don't say anything, you know, on social media, you know, just a it's a freaking I I'm ready for it to just I know we have to have it.
SPEAKER_08:We have to have it, and I don't want it such a dark place. It can be a great place. Yeah. It has its moments where it's like, okay, you know, this is good. This might be positive even. Well over the Charlie stuff and and your it's really exposed some truly dark things, dark people. Which can be a good thing. You can see some really hideous comments about Brett if you look, you know, which is disgusting to me.
SPEAKER_05:And he's the least political guy of anyone, and they still find something they still it's derogatory, hateful to say about his passing.
SPEAKER_08:It's it's terrible. And I I don't know. I like to think that those people since the Charlie thing and especially and then what we're seeing some comments about, but I I don't look too hard because it's it's infuriates me. But I'd like to think that those people have put themselves on a little island because how can you be that hateful? Whether you you're whether Charlie, for instance, whether you believe in everything he said, you don't have to agree with everything he said. That's healthy not to. Sometimes that's good to have that debate with him. But to to celebrate someone's assassination, that's another level of that.
SPEAKER_06:That's a whole other realm. It's another level of dark. Yeah, that's a whole other realm that you we can't relate to. That's a whole other uh level of darkness that we can't relate to. I don't I don't I don't even I can't even comprehend it. To find any kind of joy or positive in that is is I think about ourselves on you know, we're we're we're conservative guys and if if some someone on one on the left, and we talked about this, uh was was assassinated or whatever, I can't even fathom feeling joy over that. Because it's not in me. It's not written on my heart to feel that. Thank God it's not. Yeah. And so it's a whole nother realm that I can't even relate to.
SPEAKER_08:And am I wrong in thinking this? And I'm uh I I mean sure maybe some people disagree, but it feels like it feels like you know, a lot of people are so anti-God and religion that's how they can do it. They don't have they're not with God, so it's easy to be so dark and say these crazy things there's no one to to keep them in check. It's weird to me.
SPEAKER_06:Like I don't understand You can't they've already given their souls over, so you can't even keep them in check. You can't tell them why you can't ask them why you're doing this. You don't you need to stop doing that. They don't even hear that. That doesn't even that doesn't even ring that.
SPEAKER_08:Is it a cavernous thing in the chest they have?
SPEAKER_06:Like is there any like to once you give yourself over to that, then then it just gets deeper and darker and deeper and darker with that person. Once you once you've surrendered yourself, your soul to the devil, that's what happens.
SPEAKER_08:You know, you've been saying this. I wanted to tell you this, I'm glad you just mentioned that. Because when you started this podcast over year over a year ago. Oh yeah, yeah, right. You said from the beginning we were in a spiritual battle. Absolutely. Which when you first started saying that, I I'd be honest, I was like, I I didn't know. Are we in a spiritual battle? Like I I didn't I didn't know if that was what we were in. A battle. I didn't I was just trying to make that make sense to me, which I don't disagree. But since Charlie's thing, I I told her, I'm like, Neil's right. Neil's been right. Like this is exactly what we're in. It exposed that very clearly to me that it is a spiritual battle that we're in. Like, because I don't like to think about I have a hard time thinking people that don't believe in God. I'm naive in that way. I'm like, well, surely they do and they just don't want to say it. You know what I mean? Like there's a lot. But you know, I'm naive in that way where I'm like, like, how many people it feels like surely can't be that many people that don't but then but then after Charlie's thing, it drew like a line in the like well, okay. Well, if you can celebrate this well, you you don't this is a spiritual Neil's right.
SPEAKER_05:We're in a spiritual world. Yeah, at a minimum, if you're celebrating somebody's death, you are not a believer in God and you do not have Christ or love in your heart.
SPEAKER_04:And it's not even just a cell. I mean, yes, there are people that are whatever celebrating, but there's a lot of people that we all know and that I know that would say, Oh, that's a bad thing. But you know, he did say some divisive things, but he had like that. That's the same thing to me. Shocking. Yeah.
unknown:I just don't get that.
SPEAKER_06:And you're like, I found out I saw some people that I I had no idea. I was like, that posted some things. I'm like, you're kidding me.
SPEAKER_08:That guy's I don't I'm not celebrating it, but that's how they said I feel sorry for his feeling, but if you're gonna say stuff like that, then you gotta, it's like, well, wait a minute. To me, you're just sure coding what you're really feeling, which is yeah, you don't feel bad. Because it I tell you right now, and I mean this, like if if if if someone that I don't agree with on politically on the on the left, I don't care how radical they are, if if they would have gotten assassinated, yeah, I'd feel just like I do now, like, oh my god, you think about this, think about this 100%.
SPEAKER_06:This doesn't this is terrible. Think about this. It's one thing to feel it and to not feel bad for it. It's another thing to post it. Yeah. It's one thing for them on their own to go, man, I'm glad that dude's gone. It's another thing to post it, to let everybody know how dark you are. That's a whole different level. Because because I think if you if it even crossed your mind that some people, if they were with us, some you know they would think it, but they would never dream of telling anybody that they thought it. It's another thing to post it. You've been let everybody know. You have been right this morning. Jesus didn't come here to unite, he came here to to divide. I mean, to separate the believers from the non-believers.
SPEAKER_05:The one to seek and save the lost. He wants everyone.
SPEAKER_06:Yes, but he it's not a united thing. He's he doesn't, it's there there is a divide going on, and that's exactly what is supposed to be happening spiritually. Everything that's happening right now is by design, and it's just it's supposed you have the fence riders better fall on the side that they need to fall on because it's the divide's happening, and you if you fall off that fence, it's gonna be too late and you're gonna go down in the crevice.
SPEAKER_08:So but yesterday at the at the service, I don't know the number, hundred over a hundred thousand at the service. I'm uh I think I'm something like I heard there was hardly anybody protesting, like ten people outside protesting. It looked like more on that. Which tells me that God is winning because like that's all you can muster, you know, ten crazy people with purple hair who have no idea what they're talking about anyway. They're just I think they're really just sick.
SPEAKER_04:One of the beauties of that service yesterday was that it, you know, ABC had to show it, uh NBC had to show it, CNN had to show it, and all day they're talking about God, Jesus Christ, faith, family, love, and that message was going out to hundreds of millions of people.
SPEAKER_07:You know, Al Dean's been sensitive, but it's and he's at its most basic form, our country we've founded this is with our whole Christian beliefs.
SPEAKER_08:Like I don't know when it got when did it get like this? Where I need someone to tell me, like I'm asking. I didn't feel this kind of divide that long.
SPEAKER_06:I didn't feel it until really you know what fuels more hate on the left than anything? Not not not everybody on the left, but most of the left. What fuels hate on the left is the fact that we don't hate 'em. They hate the fact that we don't hate them back. They're not hated back. And then and they hate that. They hate us even more for that.
SPEAKER_08:Well, they're very angry because because when because you know when they get upset, they just torch the city.
SPEAKER_06:Well, you can do the contrast. I mean, I'm just saying, yeah, you're right. And then how many rides have we had?
SPEAKER_08:I mean, it was pretty inspiring. How many stores have we looted? How many police cars have we burned? Everybody in there yesterday, and and so that's it is different how we handle things. And there's just you can't argue with that, you know. But I still find it amazing that uh an AOC can go up there and and talk and somehow defend Charlie's assassination. Like I'm I'm like I don't see it then, and I'm glad.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and was she just disagreeing with with the things that it that he says they're just blatant lies and that he was telling me.
SPEAKER_08:But she's calling him basically a racist, which he was not. Yes. Which is which is again them trying to turn the media into making think uh Charlie is something he wasn't. He was the opposite of that.
SPEAKER_06:They're not that they don't spin things. They're they're literally lying about things now, and they don't care.
SPEAKER_05:Well, and and AOC is the perfect example. Sorry, I can have to cut you off. Uh the perfect example of someone that I listen to her and I'm watching her and I'm like, you're a terrible person. She's not very but she's not very nice, but I don't want anything bad to happen to her physically. That's what I mean. I know it. I just hate that. How do you how do you get that? But I don't want her to die.
SPEAKER_06:You don't hate him. I don't want her to die. It's like the guy that wants to fight the other dude, and the other dude's like, no, dude, I'm not. He's like, come on, let's go. She won't get into it. He gets he gets more pissed because the dude won't fight. That's the lift. No, I didn't I just they're so pissed that we won't that we we love them.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I don't want her to die. I just want her to get married to somebody and if that got miserable for the rest of his life.
SPEAKER_08:I'll burn our shit down. I'd swear to God, if she I you I've actually used her an example to somebody the last couple days that said if if something were to happen to her, I'd be just as mad.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_08:I I swear to God, it does nothing to do with your political beliefs. It's just like something.
SPEAKER_04:I love you, AOC. I love you. We love you, AOC. I love you, we're gonna be.
SPEAKER_08:I mean, she's there's no way I tell you this. There's no way in real life she's this grumpy.
SPEAKER_05:Because you can't be how do you how about Crockett? I mean, that that girl, good grief. God bless her.
SPEAKER_06:I mean Jasmine Crockett is a freaking demon. She is not she's a lying ass demon. She's she would be hard to love. Hard to love. I'm so sorry. That's a fact, though. But I love you, Jasmine. Can I call you JC?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but anyway, we don't want anything bad to happen to be a big thing. No, we don't. Of course not. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:That's what we're saying, though.
SPEAKER_06:Of course not, because your heart's in the right place, dude. You're not, you don't have a dark soul. You don't. I don't wish anything bad like that on anybody. Nope. That's it. And they hate that, that you feel that way about them. They hate it.
SPEAKER_03:I know.
SPEAKER_06:Just pray for them.
SPEAKER_08:That's all I'm doing.
SPEAKER_06:That's all I'm doing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:She's very grumpy. I mean, she used to be a waitress, right? What a terrible service.
SPEAKER_05:I wish she'd be a terrible service. Oh, I'd hate to be in her section. Oh my god. Yummy, yummy.
SPEAKER_06:What do you want? How much food she spit in? You only have tofu.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I guarantee you should be one of those waitresses that she'd come say, Do you want some more tea? And she'd grab the top of my glass with all five of her fingers and touch it and then set it back down.
SPEAKER_04:I'm gonna go completely off subject, but because that reminded me of something we were at catering the other day. And somebody was introducing me to another person. We're all eating, and they said, This is such and such, and they reached out their hand, and I was like, Who did that to you? No names. But really, seriously. And I was like, I had a case. I'm not even a germophobe.
SPEAKER_08:I'm not even a germophobe. You thought about me, didn't you? I did. Just for a moment. To be fair though, that's one of your things, though, since I've known you.
SPEAKER_04:Anybody's saying I'm eating with this hand. You never drew the hug.
SPEAKER_05:Never shake hands at lunch, dinner, or breakfast. You say, say, hey, I know you're eating. I just want to say hey real quick. That's all we gotta do.
SPEAKER_06:Do you shake hands with a firm handshake? Clearly. I mean a common handshake, I guess. Y'all ever shake hands with guys that are just like it's like a dead fish? Well, it's I have, yeah, there's only one guy. That's the worst ever. Can't say as many because he listened to it. It's an immediate impression in somebody. You can't do it. You can't do it. No.
SPEAKER_05:But the one guy I know that does that is incredibly successful, and I wonder how. Because all the big business meetings he has to go to. I mean, yeah, the deadest. It's weird. I can't do it. It's amazing that he doesn't know that he's got nerve told. Nerve damage in that hand, is that why? No. Nope. Nope. Nope. I did ask. I asked if I said I've asked him before and he said no.
SPEAKER_08:Actually, the first thing you my son was like barely walking, I was like, Firm handshake.
SPEAKER_06:That's right.
SPEAKER_04:Amen. Good dad. I mean, seriously. Good dad. Good boy. And look him in the eye and shake hands.
SPEAKER_06:Good dad. Thank you. That's that's good. Good luck. But seriously, though. You're right. I mean, one of my first lessons for sure.
SPEAKER_08:It's kind of gotta happen. Otherwise, it's a first impression.
SPEAKER_06:I wonder how I wonder, I wonder what what AOC's handshake is like. Probably firm.
SPEAKER_05:Probably firm. It's probably very firm. Firm and angry. You know, it's an angry handshake. It's like that. Just pissed all the time. Just dark, pissed.
SPEAKER_08:But she was or is married or engaged, and I can't, or at least she was, I can't help but think to myself, God, what a miserable thing to wake up to every morning. Like, wake up pissed. Good morning. I just don't see her ever not being pissed. Whether she just wakes up pissed. That's all you see. That's all I has lunch pissed, goes to bed pissed, rinse and repeat. She's angry all the time. And the only time she's smiling is when she's doing that evil woman smile when they're really mad but they're smiling. Wow. Yeah, not all women, but God man.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, all women, they need they have please go pursue a God fearing conservative man. Please. Have babies. Just go. Just before you have before you have babies. Before you have babies, get get to know them.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Date one and see what a real man's like.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. Come on. That'd be a great. Like a reality show. AOC goes conservative, and she asks to live with a conservative band for like a month.
SPEAKER_06:What a great show that would be.
SPEAKER_05:It'd be an amazing show. Oh. That'd be good. We go back to your dual idea. It'd be good to have some duels, you know.
SPEAKER_06:I still like the idea of the duel.
SPEAKER_05:It's not a bad idea. We're not done discussing it.
SPEAKER_06:They've never been treated like women, though. They've never, I mean, well, because they've reversed the roles.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. Whoever she's with is the woman.
SPEAKER_06:I'm sure she drives everywhere. Yeah. Whoever's over with the case. I've seen the guy in the woman. Oh, he sits in the passenger seat and shovels out of the room. Yeah, she does. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, she he's the woman. I've seen him. He's the woman. Yeah. They reverse the roles. Yeah, one thing.
SPEAKER_06:I get it. Well, I've seen them. They're everywhere. You can tell. And he's probably got a mask on, too. In the passenger seat.
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SPEAKER_06:They kiss with the mask on.
SPEAKER_05:So since we're talking about all the people that are angry and everything like that, do you think that Luke Bryan is right when he says most people are good? See, right or wrong. No. Now most, if you think about all the people on the whole planet. Yeah, that was probably I mean Are we gonna go off here? No, are we gonna get under? Like, are most people Honestly?
SPEAKER_06:I do think that most people are. Oh, most people, most people, yeah, I think they have okay.
SPEAKER_04:I think social media and TV has uh makes you think that there's a lot of people that are bad. There are some bad people, but because you can hide behind this and say stop, uh it uh I like to think most people are good.
SPEAKER_08:I think when things happen, you can see that most people are good. I I feel I I what I like to think that anyway.
SPEAKER_06:Like if after the Charlie Kirk thing, I found out a lot of people that I thought were good weren't.
SPEAKER_08:But most are good. Yeah. I I will agree with that. They're really dark people. They're just very small percentages. Like they're just they're just there's a light shining on them because they're so dark. You know what I mean? But it's but it's not as many of there's more of us though. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I think when you say when you say the word good, I think I think our intent everybody's most people's intentions are good. All of us were born with a wretched heart. All of us. Yeah, yeah. Um, but I think most most people are in most people's intentions are good.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. And we'll get some theologians. We have a lot of theologians that follow this podcast, and they're gonna remind us that the Bible says that no one is good. We know that. That's what I just said about the title of a song. We're all born with wretched heart.
SPEAKER_06:We're all born sinners, and we're all we're reading. I am agreeing and affirming you. I am affirming you. I will admit that. I will shout it from the mountaintop. That's but it's true. We are all horrible people who are trying to get better. Okay. I think that's good.
SPEAKER_04:I think that's good. It was a fun episode. I mean, it's it We had to talk about it. We had to talk about it, and you know, honestly, we haven't the four of us sat down and talked about Charlie a lot either. And then, of course, with the Brett news, we have been on text, but this is the first time we've been in a room.
SPEAKER_06:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:So we appreciate everybody listening and kind of hearing our stories and our thoughts and our feelings.
SPEAKER_05:Well, and I think as uh as Barney Fife would say, it's therapeutic. Is that what he says? Yeah. So good. Andy, it's therapeutic. Okay. But it is but it is good to talk because I I came I came here knowing what we were going to talk about, and I was, you know, yeah, not uh not a little down, but I wasn't looking forward to the to the topic. But then we get to talking about about Brett and Charlie and all the and all the positive things, then I actually feel better talking about it than than not.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. I think I think the Brett thing will I know it has any will make people, at least I hope it does, like really try harder. I know for me personally, like I I'd have taken that from that like you know, that it hit us like a ton of bricks out there finding this out. It's like one of our own that could be any of us. It could be.
SPEAKER_06:I love you, I love you, I love you, I love AOC.
SPEAKER_08:We love AOC.
SPEAKER_06:I do.
SPEAKER_08:It bugs her. AOC, will you come on the podcast? Actually, that'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, sure it would.
SPEAKER_08:I'm just gonna tell her I love her all night. No matter what she says, I don't know. She can disagree. I just want to, I mean, I I want to get a smile out of her. I don't know if it'll have been done. But we could have a contest. I love you, AOC.
SPEAKER_02:All right.
SPEAKER_04:We appreciate you guys for listening. Make sure you download the episode, leave us a comment, let us know how you're feeling, or maybe how it affected you. Hey, Jim, hopefully we maybe we can put some clips of Brett in this episode. That would be cool, right? And have some stuff for maybe the people that didn't see him to get a little glimpse of what he did.
SPEAKER_06:We got some pictures, K Little of us playing with him and doing the show.
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