From Gridiron To Guitar - David Cone's Story :: Ep 82 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

Pressure teaches. That’s where this conversation with David Cone starts—eighteen years old at Michigan, buried in an eighty-concept playbook while sprinting between meetings and class, finding out what leadership and resilience really mean. From Statesboro championships to the QB room with Chad Henne and Ryan Mallett, David shares inside looks at Bo Schembechler’s final speech, the evolution from pocket passers to dual-threat maestros, and why the quarterback’s eternal pillars—leadership, accuracy, decision-making—outlast every scheme trend.

We go deep on the modern game: how Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels weaponize space, why rings don’t always settle greatness debates, and what rookies face in an NFL that no longer lets them learn in the shadows. Then we turn to integrity and the gambling boom—prop bets, player incentives, and the thin line between entertainment and erosion of trust. If you’ve ever wondered how to read odds without getting lost or why some controversies hit harder than box scores, you’ll find straight talk here.

Music is the other half of David’s story. He opens up about the classic country and rock DNA—Hank Jr., Waylon, Marty Robbins, Buddy Holly—that led him to write and record “Richest Man in Town” with producer Kent Wells. We unpack how a play-caller’s discipline feeds a songwriter’s craft, why non-monetary wealth still counts most, and what it’s like to cut tracks with Nashville’s best. We also don’t duck the culture questions: merit in officiating and broadcasting, the cost of softening contact, and how communities choose strength and faith when tested.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open: Football Is Harder Than School
• 2:17 Host Banter, Sponsors, And Guest Intro
• 9:12 David Cone’s Alabama Ties And NFL Legends
• 12:37 Statesboro Roots And Three Title Games
• 16:12 Choosing Michigan And Bo’s Final Speech
• 20:22 QB Room: Henney, Mallett, And Evolution
• 26:02 Leadership, Accuracy, And Decision Making
• 29:12 Jalen, Tua, And NFL Rings Perspective
• 33:02 Balancing Class, Playbook, And Identity
• 36:52 Patriot Awards, Loss, And Faith
• 42:02 Building Crane & Company And Going Live
• 46:52 From Hip Hop To Country: Writing Songs
• 53:02 Influences, Session Players, And Nashville
• 58:42 Sports Betting 101 And Dark Corners
• 1:02:52 Pete Rose, Integrity, And Hall Debates
• 1:06:42 WNBA, Media Narratives, And Culture
• 1:11:42 On DEI, Officiating, And The NFL Brand
• 1:17:02 Drake May, Rookie QBs, And Coaching Fits

Transcript

SPEAKER_07: 0:32

Playing football at Michigan at 18 years old was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life. And going to school at the University of Michigan was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life. And I was doing both of them at the same time. And it's just like, especially at as a freshman, I'm drowning trying to learn speed break Detroit right side 300 box Y stick H through or 54X slush. And there's 80 of those. There's 80 of those to know. Have you lost any bets from female refs?

SPEAKER_06: 0:58

No. No. I just want to see a female ref break up a fight. No, I do feel though that's what's what I want to see.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08

Just uh random, or is there one? She's angry.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11

She's grumpy. Flag! She's holding, not holding enough.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16

He's not holding me enough. This is what I always say about football. I don't care about the guy who's sitting on his couch watching to be entertained who's eating potato chips. This is about giving young men an opportunity to go showcase what they're capable of on a field and face adversity. And you know, the more you soften the game at every single level, the more the more of an opportunity you're taking away from them to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40

The Try That in a Small Town Podcast. Beginners.

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Alright, y'all. Welcome back to another episode of the Try That M. Is it the Try That and the Small Tempo? It's just Tri That Travelling. Welcome back to Travat and Small Tempo. Yeah, we got Thrash. KLO TK. I'm Kurt. And it's cold Nashville.

SPEAKER_06: 2:09

We got a new Thrash.

SPEAKER_03: 2:09

Look at look at Thrash. It doesn't look how good he looks.

SPEAKER_06: 2:13

This is as long as I've had it. It looks really good. I'm past the irritating stage. Are you growing it out? Yeah. I'm gonna see what happens. You look really good, man. How does Lana feel about it? Well, it's like a new man. She'll do it. She's told Kurt.

SPEAKER_05: 2:24

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_06: 2:25

That's what Neil told me. That's Neil Cold's words. Not even close.

SPEAKER_02: 2:30

Neil said, Lana will do what I say. Yeah. And then I said, You better check with Lana about that.

SPEAKER_06: 2:36

Yeah. You all do what Lana says. Amen we do that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40

Yeah, I had a good uh mine was a little longer because we hadn't. You're clean, right? So I couldn't make a decision. With a razor? Does Rachel like like a smooth face?

SPEAKER_06: 2:50

Does she like a smooth face?

SPEAKER_04: 2:52

She likes uh both ways. Yep. Facewise.

SPEAKER_06: 2:55

You break out the manscapes. Do you break out the manscaped?

SPEAKER_04: 2:58

Nope, still has this still has the little uh plastic wrapping on it. Well then, did you buy it? No. No, I've just had it for you actually had it. Well I did. Yes, I did buy it, but I've had it for like four years. And it's just sitting in the It's probably outdated. I don't even know if it works. You know, everything needs a nap now.

SPEAKER_06: 3:18

I don't know. I mean you should at least try it out. You should at least try it out. Yeah, I don't know. But anyway. No, you should. Yeah. Life's short. Yeah. Well.

SPEAKER_05: 3:30

Some shorter than others. Oh my gosh. Let's talk about tonight. Yeah, let's talk about tonight because this is a really cool episode. Uh, David Cohn, who has a show of his own called uh a crane and company, right? It's a sports show. It's over on the Daily Wire, Daily Wire Plus. Uh they talk a lot of sports, a lot of college athletics, and of course, it's over the Daily Wire, so they have a conservative viewpoint as well. But this dude is legit. He state championship, uh went quarterback, went to University of Michigan. I mean a top-tier college. A place where the goat reigned. Hey, Manning went I didn't know Nick Saban went there.

SPEAKER_03: 4:14

That's so ridiculous, Caitlin.

SPEAKER_05: 4:15

You're saying I'm just but listen with David, um with all that and how cool that is, he's actually an an artist as well. He's got a new song out called Richest Man in Town. Uh he grew up listening to country music. We're gonna talk a lot about that. He's got a great knowledge of uh country music history, and he's a great artist. It's just a really cool uh thing. And you know, we love talking sports, so we're gonna talk a lot of sports, but we're gonna talk some music with him too because I know he's anxious to talk about his music stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 4:47

Yeah. I I want to, you know, get ask him about the some of the betting stuff, you know, just because watching some of the stuff today, getting ready, you know, he just throwing out all these things and these terms, you know, like because I always get lost, you know, everybody's gambling on stuff. Said, well, let's do the, you know, it's you know, Oregon minus 27 and a half, you know, whatever. I'm like, I don't I I know that means that somebody's supposed to lose or win by 27 and a half, but I'm not sure which one, you know. So that's how basically that's the level I'm at, you know. Yeah, so I wanna because he can roll off that stuff really good.

SPEAKER_05: 5:17

He's seems like a pretty intelligent man.

SPEAKER_04: 5:19

He's he's very sharp. He's a little little smarter than I'll say me, definitely.

SPEAKER_06: 5:24

Slightly taller than him. It seems like every guest we have on is smarter than we are. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, but can they can they make up shit for a living and make money at it?

SPEAKER_05: 5:37

He can.

SPEAKER_03: 5:39

I said make money at it. Oh, do you think when the guests leave, when we have guests on and their guests leave walking? He's actually really good though. You think the guests say, wow, they're short. They're smarter than I thought they were. I don't know. Never. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 5:52

But they do search.

SPEAKER_05: 5:53

Any guest ever said that?

SPEAKER_04: 5:54

No, but they do seem to enjoy it because we we do love people and uh all the guests we've had, you know, they're everybody's different, but it's always fun. And what I like about it, like especially a guy like you know, David, is I knew nothing about him. You know, and so then you research him, you know, for yet two or three hours, whatever, to get ready. And then you then you go down the rabbit holes, like, I should have spent ten hours on this because they've everybody's done so much. It's just a super interesting guy, so I I'm I'm pumped about the episode.

SPEAKER_05: 6:19

Yeah, totally, totally anxious for everybody to hear it. Uh, we gotta make sure uh before we do that, we thank our sponsors. Of course, we got original glory beer, which is an awesome, awesome beer. Make sure you go check it out. Uh well, somebody should bring some next time. We'll have it here.

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Yeah, we should have because Veterans Day today on the filming here. That would have been a good video. So we should have, yep, should have done that.

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Yeah, and they love Samaliding, don't they? Yeah, they're good people. How many shows do they go to almost everyone?

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They went to every almost every show. Yeah, I mean, they sponsored the tour, so they were there pretty much every show.

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Amazing people.

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But they're just they're just uh good huggers.

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Amazing patriots. Yeah, they are good huggers.

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I agree. They bring it in. Yeah. You know how I like to hug. I know. Full frontal. They get a 10, 10 and a half on the hug meter. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 8:21

Uh anyway, we were so thankful for them. We're thankful for you guys for watching. Just uh check out here is David Cohn. David, thanks for being here, buddy. Yeah, man. Thank you guys so much for having me. This is a real honor. Uh David is the co-host of Crane and Company. He's also got some new music out, which we got to get to that in a little bit. But for the people that uh haven't seen the show, tell them what Crane Company is.

SPEAKER_07: 8:44

So we have a sports show over at the Daily Wire. We moved here from Atlanta in 2022, and uh just real real honor to live here in Nashville, man. Uh, you know, we we try and bring a very pro-America patriotic feel for our sports show. And uh hey, I think we'll fit right in with you guys. Serious man, all you guys and the work that y'all have done has been uh a big inspiration on me personally, and uh thank you. I don't know if I'd call it work. Well, let him let him go on. He's fantastic. He's saying nice things. Go on, David. Seriously, y'all's dedication to your craft, man. It's uh it's uh it's been a real inspiration, and thanks for everything you guys do, and thanks for having me here.

SPEAKER_05: 9:22

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 9:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_05: 9:22

Absolutely. What do you guys want to get to? You want to talk to the music? You want to talk sports? What should we do for the thing? What do you want to talk about? What do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_07: 9:28

You want to talk about sports or music? Well, I see you with your Alabama here on Roll Tide, man.

SPEAKER_06: 9:32

Roll Tide, and you're a Todd fan?

SPEAKER_07: 9:34

Well, I'm married into it. Your father-in-law was a uh former cooperative. I'm married into this. Uh Richard Todd's my father-in-law.

SPEAKER_05: 9:41

Yes, that is so cool.

SPEAKER_07: 9:42

Which I have to say, man, and when I met my wife, Darby Lou, she's just the greatest, and we hit it off. Football was obviously a big reason that we hit it off. We met in Atlanta working together. Um, and she's like, Yeah, my dad played football, and it took a couple dates before I realized, oh, wait, that's Richard Todd's daughter. You know, I grew up a Dolphins fan. My dad's a few years. It was a big AFC East rivalry, you know. Yeah. But not really. Seriously. Really. Well, when I fell in love with the Dolphins, it was the Dan Marino era and Tom Brady hadn't started doing his thing yet in the division. But uh anyway, Richard Todd's a great man as far as father-in-laws go, just the greatest guy, and uh he said to tell you roll tide. Roll tide back to him.

SPEAKER_06: 10:26

I'm sure I watched him play when I was I bet you did.

SPEAKER_07: 10:29

I bet you did. He's got some great Bear Bryant stories and Joe Namous stories. I would love to hear that ultimately. I spent a lot of time at Legion Field. We'll get uh we'll get we'll get Richard in here. We'll get Richard in Bob Baumhauer. You should get Bob Baumhauer in here. Yes. You know what's funny is getting to bring us some food. Yeah, some wings, man. Um my dad pushed my brothers and me pretty hard playing football, and whenever he would simulate a pressure against me, one name he would always say, because he grew up a Dolphins fan, was Bob Baumhauer. I'm Bob Baumhauer, I'm coming after you. But I got so tired of hearing that name. Then I marry Richard Todd's daughter, come to find out Richard and Bob are best friends. Bob's the first person who high-fives me after my wife and I come down the aisle at a guy. You know, like, man, I hated hearing your name growing up, but uh he's a great guy, too.

SPEAKER_05: 11:14

Okay, so you alluded to it. You're a former college quarterback, you won a state championship in high school, which I think is interesting. We were just talking, right, at Statesboro. Statesboro high school, yeah. Which we have some old ties to, and of course. Al Dean is from that area. As a matter of fact, you may have beat his high school. Was he at Warner Robbins? Yeah. Which I think is who I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_07: 11:35

Jason went to Warner Robbins? Yeah. Now that's news to me. I didn't know that. Wow. I believe so. Yeah, so I'm from Statesboro, Georgia, where Georgia Southern University is my I I was born in Greenville, North Carolina. My mom got a job at Georgia Southern University and moved there when I was two, and I grew up loving country music and college football, man. And so uh got an opportunity to, you know, be the starting quarterback at Statesboro High. We went to three state titles in three years. Didn't throw the ball a lot, though. So I was a I was a drug. Yeah, wishbone. We ran the wishbone, but we won a lot of games. And my dad was always getting calls from private schools like, hey, you know, send your son over here, we'll throw it every down. But at Statesboro, they had just won a state title when I was in eighth grade, and they, you know, playing against top-tier competition. So went to two in a row, lost both of them. I lost the state title my sophomore year to Marist, who had a quarterback by the name of Sean McVay, who's just coaching the Los Angeles Rams right now, had a pretty good career. Then uh, and then um my junior year, we lost to Warner Robbins. We were up at halftime, Warner Robbins came back and beat us, and then my senior year, Northside Warner Robbins. We got them though in the state title. Nice. And then you got recruited by Michigan. Had no plans to go a thousand miles away from home.

SPEAKER_06: 12:45

You know, thought I might go to Alabama or I gotta I gotta hear how you wound up in Ann Arbor.

SPEAKER_07: 12:51

My dad, uh, we would drive from Statesboro to Brandon, Mississippi every year for Christmas, where my grandparents lived, and he would take me through the Bear Bryant Museum and we'd get Dreamland BBQ ribs every year. He's like, Man, if you went to Alabama, that'd be cool, or Joe Namath went all the time. So he called whoever was the recruiting coordinator over there, like Randy Ross or somebody, and the guy said, Mr. Cohn, I got a lot going on. I got more important things to do than than watch your son's film right now or something like that. And he's like, Well, what isn't that your job kind of? Okay, but we'll send him somewhere else, you know. So I went to a bunch of different camps growing up because we didn't throw the ball a lot. So I had to go to camp at Auburn and Florida State and South Carolina, and so it was different interests from a lot of programs. Louisville was in the mix too. But I went to Ann Arbor and Coach Carr was the head coach then, and he offered me a scholarship on the spot. I just thought, man, that's a thousand miles away from home. And my mother, who's from Columbus, Ohio, mind you. Okay, so what little college football she cared about in the house growing up was all buckeyes. She about leapt through the roof when Lloyd Carr offered me a scholarship in that room. But it was a great honor, man. I mean, to be a part of the winningest program in college football history. I was in the room for Bo Schembeckler's final speech on a Thursday night. We're playing Michigan, Michigan's playing Ohio that Saturday, one versus two matchup, my freshman year. Bo Schembeckler comes in on Thursday night and gives us a speech. Doesn't really talk about the game, just talks about what it is to be a Michigan man. And he didn't talk to the team a lot. So that was an awesome experience. Wake up Friday night, he passed away. We play, and and the to the Buckeye's credit, they called Coach Carr and said, Hey, this is, you know, we'll we we'll push the game back, like whatever we have to do. This is a big moment in this rivalry. And Coach Carr said, No, we're coming to Columbus. We go down there and lose by three in the one versus two matchup. They go to the national championship. We go to the Rose Bowl, which, hey, not bad to go to the Rose Bowl. As a my first time in Los Angeles as a freshman getting out there, but uh some awesome experiences to be a part of that brotherhood at Michigan. So I'm very, very grateful that I was able to play college football. That's awesome. Did you get any recruiting from Brady? Did he you know the uh Tom really didn't come back when I was there that much, and there was all sorts of rumors that he, you know, based off how his career went at Michigan, that he wasn't didn't get along that well with the current coaching staff or whatever. I don't know what truth there is to that. I know he's been back since, but he didn't come back a lot. But my quarterback coach, Scott Leffler at the time was really close with Tom Brady because they played together. So he was always, you know, holding us to a very high standard with Brady, who was winning Super Bowls by that time, you know, and showing us his showing us his tape on how he progressed throughout his career and things that we needed to do. So again, another example of just like being thrown into this awesome brotherhood with some of the best football players in the world.

SPEAKER_05: 15:46

So who who were the other was it like the Chad Henney or Ryan Mallett? Was it that era that you had?

SPEAKER_07: 15:53

Two years older than me, Ryan was a year behind me. So uh you know, I sat behind Chad Henney for two years, and just to show you what sort of levels there is to this, because there was a time when I thought I was pretty good, you know, winning state championships, and you go and you're watching Chad Henney play, and I'm like, man, he's the best I ever played with. And then he goes to be Patrick Mahomes' backup for two Super Bowls, right? And that's that's the best he played with. And so and Chad's been on our show over at Crane and Company, and we and we've talked about this and how the game has evolved and players playing more in space and all those sorts of things, but man, he was an incredible player. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 16:26

Yeah, so it's gotta be crazy to watch the evolution of the quarterback position. Right? I mean, from from what you know, I I like you know, the Tom Brady, the Dan Marino type QBs. The old prototypical if I was drafted a QB, tall it'd be David Cohn.

SPEAKER_05: 16:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 16:46

You know, how do you feel what is that like? Or it feels like every team, and I'm not talking NFL now, like it seems like they're really wanting the the Jaden Daniels type QBs, and he's uh he's great. Yeah, I can hurt you running, or you know. This is where I wanted this conversation to go. But what is this fair? What is your take on that? Like, like as far as like okay, like a Lamar Jackson killer athlete, he's gotten a lot better at throwing the ball. Right? Is it is it weird taking those risks with him running as much as they do like it just takes it takes more you're gonna get hurt and turn you into a pocket passer overnight. You know what I mean? But but it it seems like Lamar has gotten grown into that role of like when he first came in, I feel like he was like run first, not super accurate, and now he's very dangerous.

SPEAKER_05: 17:35

Well, but the people like and obviously I want David's opinion, but like Justin Fields and those guys, it's like they want those guys to have both of it when they're really just good athletes. Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_07: 17:46

Uh well everything that you're describing about a prototypical passing quarterback is the reason that my father at a young age identified that I was gonna be tall and and wanted to push me into sports, maybe this would be a position that I could excel at. And luckily, I just there was nothing that was gonna keep me off of a football field. I was obsessed with it. And I was getting recruited at a time when guys like Scott Leffler at Michigan wanted to have a prototypical drop back passer. Now, when I was a junior, Rich Rodriguez comes in and runs a completely different system, which pretty much guaranteed I was not gonna be the starting quarterback. And I thought about transferring out, and you know, at the end of the day, I wanted to stay and get my Michigan degree and thought if you stay at Michigan, you can play in the NFL if you're good enough. And if you don't make it to the NFL, it will be because you're not good enough, which was ultimately the reason that I didn't play in the league. And and that was tough too. That's a tough that's tough for a lot of young men whose identity is so tied to playing the game. But to your question, yeah, it's anytime you have an extra skill set to bring to the table in an athletic sport, that helps. And you can put defenses in a bind with your athletic ability. Now, Dan Marino and Tom Brady, very slow, you know, by football standards, but were great in the pocket, right? And could avoid sacks and maneuver in the pocket and all those sorts of things. Tom always seemed to find that nooks and crannies step up and which is a different way than say Ben Rothlisberger did it, right? Ben Rothlisberger and Cam Newton, so much bigger than everyone, you just can't bring them down with an arm tackle if you're getting halfway blocked, right? And they can escape the pocket in different ways. Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels are such great comps for each other because they're so elusive and can really hurt you on the ground. And if if there's, you know, even an inch of space, especially against man coverage, you're able to escape the pocket because defenders' backs are turned in a way and zone coverage they're not, right? So those guys' ability to recognize those coverages and pick their moments and pick their spots on when to run is key. But there's a couple pillars. It just it doesn't matter if you're if you're fast or if you're slow or if you're just a pocket passer, whatever. There's a couple pillars about the position that will never change. One is you still have to be a great leader. You have to be a leader of men out there on a field because they're all looking to you to know exactly what to do. Two is you still have to be accurate with the football. And like you said, I mean, I'm watching Lamar Jackson make throws. I just I can't believe it. If if he were if he ran a 5-4, he would still be a quarterback in the NFL because he's delivering the football so effectively through the air. And then third, like making great decisions. And that's what that's why Tom Brady was killing you, knowing what you were going to do before you did it. I actually heard something recently last week about Phillip Rivers. I hope this is true. I'd like to ask Philip Rivers about it next time I see it. He said he pointed at a defender across from at linebacker and said, You're lined up wrong for the blitz that you're about to try and bring. He's saying, hey, you're lined up wrong.

SPEAKER_05: 20:40

Apparently, all the time he would do that.

SPEAKER_07: 20:41

He is from Alabama, right? I think he was from Alabama. I didn't know that. I don't know. And he said he didn't know that. I think he was from Alabama.

SPEAKER_06: 20:48

Do you think Peyton Manning's overrated? Well what and and on that, I want to say Neil Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_04: 20:56

As a singer in Chicken Parm, you'd be able to do that. It's an ongoing battle. So do you think Peyton Manning is in the top ten QBs of all time? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Top three.

SPEAKER_08: 21:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 21:05

Top Man. But not number one. If I could drop this mic, I would have just attached the table. Tell me B at number one. We had a little bit of a big thing.

SPEAKER_07: 21:14

Everybody agrees at that.

SPEAKER_03: 21:15

Go ahead. Go ahead, Tully. Manning? Yeah. He's in the top ten, but not in top five.

SPEAKER_07: 21:19

Tully says he's overrated. You're between six and ten.

SPEAKER_03: 21:22

Yeah, I'm between six and ten. And I'll clarify what I said. What I said was when you ask anybody who's one of the best quarterbacks ever, they automatically say, almost before Tom, it's almost like Peyton Manning. Peyton's fine. He's top ten. I gave you that. He's not top five. All the QBs in the world since the beginning.

SPEAKER_07: 21:43

He also played for Tennessee. Hey, talking about there's levels to this, right? I thought I was pretty good at one point. Peyton's fine. Peyton's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Sometimes I just have to remind myself, particularly that in an era where, like I said, man, guys who tie their identity to the sport and then have this lifelong dream and then don't make it like, well, wait, what am I going to do now? Like it hurts, man.

SPEAKER_06: 22:04

I was the only, I guarantee you, I was the only Alabama fan when Jalen Hurts was playing at Bama. I was the only guy in the state that said he's going to be great in the NFL. And I said it and I stuck to it. And but nobody believed it because he was a great actor.

SPEAKER_05: 22:20

Or why did you say that?

SPEAKER_06: 22:21

He's well, he was you could see him.

SPEAKER_05: 22:23

Because he wasn't a great passer, though.

SPEAKER_06: 22:24

Well, you could see him developing as a and he you could also tell that he wanted to learn. And he's an extremely intelligent individual. And I said, he's gonna he's gonna develop into a great NFL quarterback. You just watch. My brother didn't believe me, nobody believed me. And I said, he's gonna happen. MVP.

SPEAKER_07: 22:45

I didn't think he'd be a great NFL player, not at the quarterback position. And I thought Tua was one of the best I'd ever seen. The way Tua delivered the football through the air. Um, but everything you're talking about, all those leadership skills, and again, and I talk about this with my father-in-law Richard all the time because he's so hard on himself for not having won a Super Bowl. And he said Joe got that Super Bowl in Super Bowl three, and he's like, I'm nothing because I didn't get a Super Bowl. It's so funny to to we were rattling off Alabama quarterback names just this week on our show and asking where you'd put Ty Simpson with, you know, Tua and Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts and all these guys. Bryce Young, who actually won the Heisman at the position. And, you know, uh with uh with Jalen Hurts to have not just won the Super Bowl, but to be the MVP in a Super Bowl where he played better in the one he lost. Like that's what's so interesting about that game is like he played better in the Super Bowl he lost, but it was the one that he won that is gonna set him up forever that he's a Super Bowl champion.

SPEAKER_05: 23:41

We got so much to get to. Sorry, but you mentioned Ty Simpson and that it's I just gotta know. Is he number one or is it Mendoza that's going number one? Who's who's your guy? For Heisman right this second? No, number one pick for NFL drops.

SPEAKER_07: 23:54

Well, I tell you what, man, the way that uh the way that Ty Simpson is delivering the football, again, through the air with the precision, and he's using this RPO run pass option game in a way that's just really cool to me. And they don't run it well. Like Alabama's not horrible running it. Like if they were ru if they were running it for 220 a clip every single time. And it's so on Alabama like. You know, now he does have great receivers, right? And he has great athletes, but I've been so impressed with what he's been doing, and he's a coach's son, and and he's got good coaches too. I got to give a shout out to my former uh roommate at Michigan, Nick Sheridan, who was the offensive coordinator a year ago, quarterback coach now. Like he he's getting some great tutelage over there, and uh I wish nothing but the best for the kid.

SPEAKER_03: 24:34

Nice. There's no justice though when we talk about Dan Marino. Dan Marino. Same number of rings as I have. Yeah. And me.

SPEAKER_05: 24:44

Oh, I love Dan. It hurts my heart.

SPEAKER_03: 24:47

And then but Eli and Nick Foles are running around with rings. That's right.

SPEAKER_07: 24:53

Man, it's a team sport, man. You know, it's a team sport, and there's a a team component to it for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 25:00

Well, and David, you're talking about like the the players that they have everything wound up in being an athlete. And like when you were in college and you're in you're playing at Michigan, were you still serious about school? Were you thinking like beyond that, like, hey, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna keep pursuing it, or were you actively going to classes doing your studies, or was somebody doing your homework for you?

SPEAKER_07: 25:20

Well the cameras are the cameras on? Well, they say, you know, we always heard, hey, school is first and football is second. It was a big visual of the cameras in the world. I'm gonna use it. I like that. I'm gonna use anything like that. Honestly, uh it I I playing football at Michigan at 18 years old was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life. And going to school at the University of Michigan was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life. And I was doing both of them at the same time. And it's just like, especially at as a freshman, I'm drowning. I'm drowning trying to learn speed break Detroit right side 300 box Y stick H through or 54X slush. And there's 80 of those. There's 80 of those to know. And oh, by the way, be on class, don't be late, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, some stars on the team can get their papers written for them and they can check out, and you know, but but you got to be in class. And and again, I I just I did the best I could. I did the best I could, not to say that I took necessarily the hardest curriculum. I had I had teammates of mine who were doing that and going to business school at the same time or pre-med. And again, they were just they were really bright guys, but I did the best that I could and um again fell short of going to the NFL. But that whole experience helped make me a man and helped prepare me for the adversity of life that was that just comes later as you get older. I would have drafted you.

SPEAKER_03: 26:39

You fit right in my mold, man. Right in your page. You should buy a team.

SPEAKER_04: 26:45

I'm really thinking about it. We're just waiting on this podcast to take off. Yeah. And then we're gonna that's not the first thing we're gonna buy. The song took off, man. I'm chipping away.

SPEAKER_06: 26:56

Thanks. What happened there? It's still going, it's still rocking.

SPEAKER_04: 27:00

Yeah, they yeah, they played that at the uh Aldean and you guys played at the Patriot Awards just last week. Just a few days ago, which was fantastic. Just watching that sounded amazing, and just it's very surreal, you know, just for us, you know, just sitting home and you're just watching it, and you're like, and it's and it's honoring Charlie Kirk, you know, a great great man, and everybody was devastated by or you know, all of us were devastated by that for sure. That one hurt millions of others. And I read an article that you wrote about that. You read that article? Thank you, man. It was really really cool to expand on that.

SPEAKER_07: 27:31

Well, I just felt compelled to just comment on a moment in time. And we you know, we c we concentrate on sports over there mostly at the Daily Wire, but when something like that happens that just transcends, I mean, everyone was affected by that. And I just said like I I didn't know Charlie Kirk personally, and not only that, but I wasn't even particularly influenced by his ideology. He was slightly younger than me, in a way that, say, like Jordan Peterson or even Ben, who brought us over to the Daily Wire, was a much bigger uh influence on me. But just to know that for that brief moment, like evil had triumphed was the thing that sort of hit me. Because, you know, if if the news came across that he had died in a car accident or from a you know terminal illness or something, that would have been an absolute shame and his family would have still been without him. But it wouldn't have hit me in the same way to know that like evil in that moment had had really won. So I just felt the need to write that article that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 28:24

It was really great. And I I picked up the the quote you had in there, which I I thought was great and true as uh you said the number of Charlie Kirks this action created is beyond measure. Yeah, I hope that's true. You see all this turning point, you know, there's still there's people are out, they can't even get in, you know, to and all these young people that have been changed and uh and changing their direction of their lives even though he's gone.

SPEAKER_07: 28:48

Yeah, and I think you could see that locally. We had a vigil down in Thompson Station, and they at one point they were like we had no idea this many people were gonna come out, and that was just one of several in the area. Like Franklin had their own, uh every Nolansville had their own. And so again, I I hope that that statement is true, and I hope that people stay on it. I know I read some articles that church attendance has skyrocketed, you know. Obviously, that's gonna come down, right? Like that's a moment in time, but hopefully there are individuals who were so impacted by that that that that change in them lasts a lifetime. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 29:21

I think God knew what he was doing taking Charlie because I think he was such a powerful voice, but also when he called Charlie home, it it's exposed some things that I think needed to be like the the the darkness of people celebrating his death. And to this day they're you know still celebrating some on the left are you know celebrating his death, which is hard to see. But I think it had to raise awareness to the separation between the good and the bad to an extent, you know. And I think I think that's it it's hard to look at it. I think people needed to know that uh you know somebody's out there trying to do good. And then people to see it today, even on videos like mocking it, is really hard to look at.

SPEAKER_07: 30:11

Well, now that it's happened and it's in the past, whether or not Charlie Kirk becomes a martyr is on us. We're the ones who control that. We're the ones who can martyrize him and martyrize that message. And uh again, I d just did what little part that I could writing an article or speaking about it now. I mean, it the the part that hurts the most is no. Knowing that his kids, because I have three small children right now, knowing that they'll never get to hear his message personally. I mean, they can listen to every podcast he's ever done, but you're not going to know your father. Like that hits hard and that hurts. So it's our job to make sure that his message is martyrized.

SPEAKER_03: 30:48

And and the Patriot Awards, that was a great thing. Yeah, tell us a little bit about that. Oh, because we didn't have a talk to essentially. Obviously, that room is a great room to be in. You know. But it was really neat.

SPEAKER_05: 31:01

It was awesome. And like, you know, I watched it last year, and I was kind of like, oh Patriot Awards, you know. But this year definitely hit different with Charlie. And then you know, just as they singled all those people out there, we were backstage, we got to meet those guys that they were honoring. It was it was it was humbling.

SPEAKER_03: 31:22

It was so humbling. It felt like a celebration before Charlie. It felt yeah, it felt bigger than just uh maybe like a usual, right? One really funny thing happened. So we were we played like two songs, and we're before we play the second song, our production manager comes up and goes, hey guys, after you play the second song, don't leave your stools. Just sit in your stools and they're gonna play a video. Don't you know, don't move, don't move. So we play the second song and we finish it and we're sitting there. And then Hannity comes out and he's like, You can tell he's like confused. He's like, Well, when are these guys gonna leave?

SPEAKER_05: 32:04

He's asking us, like, do you guys want to play another one? He literally comes over on the mic, yeah, and says, Are you guys gonna play another song? And we're looking around, we're told not to move.

SPEAKER_03: 32:14

Don't ever trust a production manager, is the point of the story. We just sat there like Hannity's like, okay, guys, these guys won't get off the stage. I don't know what to do.

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Did y'all exit the stage? Yeah, and we're walking behind the in the camera shop.

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At that point, you just gotta make it as awkward as possible.

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Although he's looking at me like I said, damn, I don't know. We were told to stay here like idiots we sit there.

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SPEAKER_06: 34:06

I want to know about y'all's podcast. I want to hear more about that.

SPEAKER_07: 34:09

Training company? Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, we just put out an Alabama-Oklahoma preview yesterday, which I think you should check out. Oh, I haven't seen that one. I think you should check that out. That's going to be a good one because the defense is legit. They are legit, and uh it was a really impressive win at Tennessee. Obviously, the Red River loss, I mean three interceptions, you know. Texas trying to their best to hang in this thing, you know. But again, just talking about college football, with with my experience having played the game, and my two co-hosts Jake and Blaine Crane, their father was an all-American linebacker at Auburn.

SPEAKER_05: 34:39

So they didn't play, but their family was an all-American linebacker uh at Auburn.

SPEAKER_07: 34:45

Jake played baseball at South Alabama and then coached college football. Blaine was a wide receiver, I think, at Western Colorado, and then also coached, and they had some time where they overlapped. And again, look, when I got done playing football at the University of Michigan, I moved back to Georgia in Atlanta, which is my home state, but still three and a half hours from Statesboro where I'm from, and I got into video production and writing songs, and that's what I was focused on. And a lot of sports companies really liked my football playing career because I was able to navigate sets and direct actors and you know run productions and such. So 11 years I was producing videos and I met these brothers, and you know, Jake, when COVID hit, they were told, Hey, you can't come back and coach right now. We don't know what's going on, we got to figure this whole thing out. And so uh I got introduced to them through a marketing executive. Hey, they got this college football podcast that they're starting in their free time from from coaching football. You played college football, you're a video producer, they want to be on video, you guys should meet. Well, it was a lot like a band, to be honest, and the way that it just came together authentically and it was organic. And not too long after I started producing their show for him, Colin Cowherd called from the volume, and we were like the SEC football show for Colin's new venture, the volume. That's awesome. And then within like three months of that, man, Ben called himself. Uh Ben Shapiro called and said, I I love y'all show. We want a sport show at the Daily Wire. Would you consider moving to Nashville? And as someone who already, you know, was writing songs and who wanted to move here for a long time anyway, and more importantly, wanted to get involved in the culture fight and and and you know defend what's going on in our society, I jumped at the opportunity and we've been here for four years.

SPEAKER_04: 36:27

What was the the jump? Because you you were producing videos and stuff like that initially for those guys, right? For train and did they and uh how did you become a part of it and not just producing and directing and shooting and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_07: 36:39

Because we needed to be live. So honestly, like really what changed the whole trajectory of my career was going from tape to needing to be live because uh I had multiple clients at that time that I was producing videos for. And again, I had just gotten married, just bought my first house. COVID hit three months after I got married. Oh wow. I thought, man, I'm gonna go bankrupt three months into like what is going on here. Luckily, I picked up some medical clients that year, and I did pretty well and was doing good with video production clients. Uh, but when I met these guys, I thought, okay, I can produce um their show a couple hours a week, right? It was interview-based, pre-recorded, drop it on YouTube. But Colin wanted us to be a live show, live every day, which means I need to be there in person. And Jake would talk to me and ask me questions, and I needed to have like a camera to be able to talk back to him and to answer while I'm technically directing everything, kind of like what's going on. Don't give Jim any ideas. Yeah, don't give Jim any ideas. Jim's over there and they're like, yes, keep talking, keep talking, Dave. It helped that Michigan was good at football. Like Jim Harbaugh was making the college football playoff that year for the first time. And so, again, talking about the band experiences, it would be kind of like if uh if a person had written a song, they wanted to sing a song, and they needed someone to produce it, but then the producer had to play every instrument, and you needed to go do a live show, and one of the producer got to play one of the instruments. That's kind of like how it started. And again, with having played at the University of Michigan, and Michigan made three college football playoffs in a row, um, it just it kind of all fell into place, and I think we got a good dynamic going now.

SPEAKER_05: 38:11

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04: 38:12

It is really cool.

SPEAKER_06: 38:13

I was checking it out, it's really good.

SPEAKER_05: 38:15

Thank you, man. Yeah, thank you. Excellent. And of course, you you've mentioned it a couple times, and I hate that we've waited this long to get to it, but let's get to the the music stuff. Um We don't know anything about that. No. But see, the thing is, it's like we're all sports geeks, so we love talking sports, but um obviously music is our home base. Yeah. Uh tell us a little bit uh about richest man in town, the richest man in town, which I don't know if you guys listened to it. You see the way he hooked it? Yeah, it's pretty good. Um did you write it by yourself?

SPEAKER_07: 38:43

I did. I wrote every song on there by myself. Dude. Uh huh. Yeah. Greedy. Which I mean, again, and uh I actually this is what I was telling you earlier. I have my first write scheduled this week with Michael Delaney, who said to tell you how to do it. Oh, and then I'm gonna go to the house. We got this right scheduled this week, um, which I'm really excited about, and it was an hour after we scheduled that that uh Renee here from the Daily Wire of PR uh said you're going on try that in a small town podcast the same week. So uh a big week from the She told you you were coming on here, or did she ask you to come on? No, she said you're going. Thank you very much. She's the best. She's the best. But uh anyway, like I said, I I um I mean just going all the way back from music for me, there was always great music on in my house. My parents, there were three main pillars for us, which was classic country. So Hank Sr., Hank Jr., Wayland, Marty Robbins, you know, even Dolly Parton, Tammy Wynette on the female side. There was traditional rock and roll, so a lot of Elvis Presley, Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly. And then there was a big folk element too. My dad really loved Peter Paul and Mary and Bob Dylan and Gordon Lightfoot, that kind of stuff. So that was sort of my upbringing from a musical standpoint. And then when it got to football in high school and college, it was all hip hop all the time. I mean, you're at practice and games, and you know, uh, and and so it was, and honestly, that's where I started writing music because the lyrics to that were easier. You I didn't have to play an instrument, you got beats and instrumentals and stuff. Um, and uh, and then you know, the red hot chili peppers were kind of a band that was kind of a bridge because I'll tell you this, when I when I was playing football at Michigan, they had a huge speaker on the golf cart to simulate away game noise, right? And we're running a third down drill and they're blaring can't stop over the speakers. And I went back and asked them, who what is that song? They're like, oh, this is red hot chili peppers. I'm like, mm, that sounds pretty good, you know. And uh next day, the same thing. We're got a third down drill. I'm trying to concentrate. They start blaring snow over the speakers. Who is this band? They said, Oh, this is a red hot chili peppers. I'm like, well, I mean, I gotta listen to them at this point. And John Mayer had just come out with continuum at that time, and uh this was around the time when I was like, okay, you're not gonna play in the NFL. So I started teaching myself how to play guitar off YouTube, and John Frushante and John Mayer were some huge influences, and then I got into their influences of Stevie Ray Vaughn and Hendrix and Clapton and all this. It didn't take too long until I realized, like, okay, you're not gonna be as good of a guitar player as these guys, but I got to use the instrument for what I really wanted to do, which was write songs. And there were some critical songs at that period, like uh Laughed Until We Cried. I mean, I remember hearing that song. Hold on. Oh, wait a minute. Are you just buttering?

SPEAKER_02: 41:25

Are you buttering up to Caleb? That's enough. He wrote Caleb.

SPEAKER_07: 41:29

Okay, dude, laughs. I'm telling I'm telling you, I didn't, and uh that was one I didn't even know you were. Hold on, cancel the ship.

SPEAKER_02: 41:34

Never mind.

SPEAKER_07: 41:38

Laugh ship so quickly.

SPEAKER_04: 41:40

Okay. Laugh until we're gonna be.

SPEAKER_07: 41:42

Laugh until we cried. I was like, man, that's but uh There Goes My Life. Yeah was another one. Oh yeah. I'm like they they would fall into a category that I have, which I call I Wish I Wrote Them. You know, and just like man, you can tell a story that great. And so those were a couple songs early on that uh that I just really kind of got me back into the country music, southern rock type vibe, credence. Eagles wasn't an influence growing up in our household, but I found the Eagles later. And so that whole sound kind of when I moved to Nashville, uh, and I wanted to be on record for what I think our country needs and what's wrong in our country. And so I that's why I wrote Just What America Needs and America Made and Get Off My Lawn and some of those songs. So anyway, a bunch of new s a bunch of new material that I wrote when I was here, went back and rewrote some material from Atlanta that either wasn't finished or some ideas like that. And I met Kent Wells, Dolly Parton's producer, and he he took a chance on me and said yes, which he's like, hey, I want to I want to produce some of this material. And um, in a town and in an industry where you hear no so much, it felt really good to like hear yes and to work with him. And so cutting that album, I got to work with some of the best session guys in the world who you guys probably hang out with all the time. But just being a part of that process and hearing them play on songs that I had written was uh it was it was a real honor, and I I hope people are enjoying the music in some way or another.

SPEAKER_04: 43:02

What what's your strength in the writing room? Like is it is it ideas, is it lyric, melody? Triple thrill.

SPEAKER_07: 43:09

Have you ever coded? You listen and you tell me if there are any strength.

SPEAKER_04: 43:13

I haven't listened to the music piece yet.

SPEAKER_07: 43:14

I'd like to know uh you know what you guys think, but uh richest man in town is an example of a song that I'm leaving Daily Wire Studios, driving home, probably right here, probably right by Cool Springs is when and I you know you got these internal monologues, you know, and one hit me, richest man in town, and I thought all all the way home, I thought, okay, I want to list everything in this song that makes me rich that has nothing to do with money, right? And it all started with my wife. I mean, she's I mean, she's incredible, and we got three babies, and just that whole song began to take sh take shape, and I knocked that out over the course of that weekend, and that ended up becoming like the lead single off of what you know the title or the the title. Yeah, it's like how does he set it up? It's like not counting the money on the original. If you don't count the money, I'm gonna double. Um, which I I got had an opportunity to play that for um for Jeffree Steele with uh uh bring your own guitar. I went over there and uh that was cool too, being able to play that for him. I think he liked that song as well. But yeah, I'd love to know what y'all's feature is. Yeah, I want to dig in and listen to it. Yeah. Oh excellent. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 44:18

Laugh to be crowded. Always makes an appearance. You didn't know. Somehow. Did you need somehow you changed it?

SPEAKER_07: 44:23

Which I'm kinda which I'm which I'm a little bit um which I'm a little bit ashamed of because I did. I wanted to look up like all the the songs that you guys had written before I came in. I don't know how I missed that one.

SPEAKER_04: 44:34

Well, but we're even because I haven't listened to your music yet. So but I'm going to, but I'm I'm intrigued. I want to listen to it now. Um now who did you write Laughed Until I Cried With? Uh is Ashley Gorley. He's he's a decent uh he he may have contributed some uh to that to that word. But anyway, um No, I'm kidding. He's he's the you know the biggest, most successful songwriter of all time.

SPEAKER_07: 44:57

I'll tell you what, I love that. I love that song. Uh There Goes My Life, like I said. Um I'll tell you what, um, She Ain't Right, man. That's a great song.

SPEAKER_06: 45:05

Yeah, we were just much too early with Lee Bryce on that one. What do you mean? It should have been a hit, and it almost was. Okay. But like right after that single, he blew up. Gotcha. I love that song, man. I really do. I do too. I didn't make any money on it. So No?

SPEAKER_07: 45:24

None? How's that possible? I listened to it 20 times on the way here. Yeah, but you probably listen to it Spotify as somebody else. You get a penny. Half a penny. Half a penny. It's it's it's rough. It's only gonna get worse with artificial intelligence and all that, but anyway. Oh yeah, we've been there before. It's a dark time.

SPEAKER_03: 45:41

So who's your like as far as country goes, like, who's some of your favorites? Like your artists that you you know either grew up really liking or or like now. Who's sticking out?

SPEAKER_07: 45:53

There's so many, man. I love Hank Williams Jr. I just love the way he writes songs, I love the way he plays. And there's a I mean, talk about try that in a small town. There was an element of him going way back. Merle Haggard, too, not afraid to say anything. I really love Merle and Waylon Jennings. Haggart's your favorite? What's your favorite song?

SPEAKER_03: 46:09

No, he's my favorite voice. Okay. He's definitely my favorite voice. I still think I still think Whalen is underappreciated in all of it. You think so? I still, you know, he's one of my favorites, like classic guys, and I and I still feel like if you're, you know, he's still people love him, but I still feel like he's uh the one that gets the least amount of recognition out of that, out of those outlaw crew. You know what I mean? Uh I just love it.

SPEAKER_07: 46:32

Not in our household, man. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 46:36

Because Lonesome Monreal Mean and that stuff, you you it's just that was so tough. I remember thinking when I was younger, listening to that. It was tough sounded music. It was tough. It it got it got you going. I just I I really love Whalen for that.

SPEAKER_07: 46:50

And my dad had me listening to Buddy Holly at a young age too. And knowing that Whalen did play guitar, you know, for Buddy and the whole day the music died, not being on the plane crash and all that kind of stuff, just kind of added to the aura, I think, of Whalen in our household too.

SPEAKER_03: 47:04

Buddy Holly was one of my first We just talking about it coming home the other day on the plane, talking about Aldean. You know, used to play those songs, like all those songs. Like I'm a huge Buddy Holly fan. Yeah, yeah. Just great music. And I think about what he did and I remember uh and he died so young. Yeah. And I remember playing in Lubbock, the first time we ever played Lubbock. The arena is like literally right across the street from the Buddy Holly Museum. I remember like running off the bus and going right to that museum and just being like, wow, this is you know, the songs are still amazing.

SPEAKER_06: 47:37

And the way he was playing guitar, you remember when this was the 50s, it's is like man, your knowledge of music history is pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_07: 47:45

Pretty impressive because you're not that old. No, but uh that all comes from my my family and my dad. My dad just loved it.

SPEAKER_06: 47:51

You care, you can tell that you care and you dig.

SPEAKER_07: 47:54

I mean, he had me listening to Hank Sr. and Marty Robbins at a very young age, Elvis. He was taking us to Ever Everly, I he was taking our whole family to Everly Brothers shows growing up. And this was really the tail end of their career. But we're I mean, I'm in uh Mulenburg County, Kentucky, going to see the Everly Brothers, which Whalen I think was supposed to play that show and couldn't. It was and my dad said I never got to see Whalen because he was sick that trip. But yeah, no, I love that music. And then on the contemporary side, I mean, Zach Brown has been a big influence. I I I really enjoy the way that they write songs and the harmonies that they sing with, and so a number of influences.

SPEAKER_03: 48:29

It's awesome that you we talk about this a lot in the show that it seems like a lot of young artists today, young or new artists, don't really have an appreciation for what and who came before that. Songwriter rise, why disappointing? But you seem to have a really good uh knowledge and appreciation for it, which is really refreshing because I don't think that's really the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just and and the influences that you're drawing from. It's you know, we talk about it a lot, how the young artists today just won't name names. Oh, we can name them. I have I will name names.

SPEAKER_04: 49:06

I have recently, I know we do talk about a lot of people that we young artists that we write with that like usually I'll I'll Google somebody, like if I'm writing with somebody the next day, and I don't know the their name, I Google it and say, see what are they doing, and and I just have some sort of idea. And a lot of times you you realize in the first few minutes that they haven't done the same.

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You know.

SPEAKER_08: 49:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 49:24

They're like I don't know what this old guy, why why'd he move to town? You know, I mean but but the lately life had two two back to back new artists that hadn't been in town that long and they had both look stuff up and they're they're so young, you know, which makes you feel older, but they're very respectful. Good. Man, I really love this, this, and this, these this is this is amazing. Yeah, so it's just kind of fun to hear.

SPEAKER_07: 49:45

Bringing it back to like how playing quarterback and playing football sort of like influence me and set me up. Like that's that sort of stuff is the bare minimum. Yeah. I mean, that's the the bare like imagine walking into a quarterback meeting and you haven't prepped for like the game plan or what you're doing. I mean, there are physical consequences to that. For like getting yelled at or doing a bad job, which that would be bad enough. Like, there are physical consequences, which is why I think playing that game is so important for young men. But yeah, just not having an appreciation for the industry that you're gonna be in to me is absolutely unacceptable.

SPEAKER_06: 50:18

We come across it all the time. Do you really? Oh, yeah. With people who have such a it's like a new quarterback going to the getting drafted first round, and somebody mentions Dan Marino's name, and he's like, Who? Who's Dan Marino? And he doesn't know who Dan Marino's. It's the same equivalent almost.

SPEAKER_03: 50:32

Well everybody's got those stories too. I remember talking with um Don Mattingly came out this last year great you know, baseball I mean Mattingley's hit machine, and he's a coach up there in Toronto and they're having a good year, and I was talking to Don. I'm like, man, do they just the young guys must just eat you up for information like tips because he's not even the hitting coach up there, he's like one of the bench coaches, you know. And I'm saying they must go like crazy on Don Mattingley's every day. And he goes, Man, he goes, a couple of them do, but most guys don't know who I am. It's amazing and I'm like that blows how is that possible? How is that possible? It doesn't seem possible, but but we run into it every day like like young artists. Yeah, meanwhile, what do you do?

SPEAKER_07: 51:18

When I was when I was recording uh the richest man in town album, I'm singing through the microphone that Dolly just got done singing through. So I'm like reminding myself, like, okay, Dolly Parton had the morning session here at Kent Wells' studio this morning. I'm the next person to sing through this microphone, and like I don't take that for granted. That was such an awesome opportunity. I'm reminding myself, oh yeah, one of the first great songs that my dad introduced me to was Coat of Many Colors. You know, like as I'm singing through a microphone, and yeah, I got to record at Blackbird one time and Stapleton. I just just recorded like through one of those Neumann microphones or something. And like that stuff means something to me, you know? Yeah. That's really awesome to hear that, man.

SPEAKER_06: 51:59

I just I just I'm tickled to death that you know your history and that you you know where it started and where it came from, and and that you care about it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 52:08

That's really cool. Well, I just love great music and great songs, and this town has you know provided that. And that's why that's why I meant at the beginning. Like, you guys have all the work that y'all have done has been truly an inspiration, and we're all standing on the shoulders of people who came before us trying to tell great stories.

SPEAKER_06: 52:22

That's why my back hurts.

SPEAKER_04: 52:25

I wanted to ask you, uh just because you're kicking too much. You're obviously a sharp dude and and good at a lot of things, but like you're very quick, you know, like when you're doing your your basketball bracket in 60 seconds and stuff like that. It's like stuff you already know. You're reading some of it, but some of it's just just coming out. And then the betting stuff that you talk about, I've always kind of wanted to to dabble in the betting stuff, you know, but I don't understand it because it it's sold in my head. So if you were at a bar and you had this guy who's a who just kind of a cheeser, you know, and he's and he he's talking about betting and how much he knows and stuff like that, what would you say to intimidate him? Wow, like roll off something, right? All that stuff you roll off is this, you know, Oregon minus 27 and a half, something like that. Roll out something that would just blow his mind.

SPEAKER_07: 53:15

Man, we have to put you together a nice little parlay this weekend. Like maybe we just take Alabama money line and maybe we take Georgia minus six and a half this weekend uh against Texas. We parlay those together and uh things that I should be. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02: 53:32

Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_07: 53:33

What was the recording to you by our spot? Man, but the the gambling stuff, that it's it's uh I just I hope we don't go down a dark path.

SPEAKER_05: 53:43

Well how do we not go down a dark path?

SPEAKER_07: 53:45

You see it right now with the MBA? I mean these guys are getting accused of pitching. So your your your prop bet under hits? What allegedly. Allegedly. I'm gonna make sure that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03: 53:57

We'd be fools that that stuff doesn't happen. Yeah, but I'm not surprised at all by it in the NBA. I just feel like the league's been in heading down a terrible direction for a long time.

SPEAKER_05: 54:06

See, and the prop bets is where you can't I mean, it's not just throwing games, the prop bets is the one.

SPEAKER_04: 54:11

What's a prop? What's a prop better?

SPEAKER_05: 54:12

Prop bet is like he's gonna score more than ten points tonight, or no, no.

SPEAKER_07: 54:15

An individual an individual player bet, which you can't do for college football in the state of Tennessee. But you know, if you wanted to take we were talking about Ty Simpson, if you want to say Ty Simpson will throw over two and a half touchdowns today. You have the half there that's a hook, right? So that you can't tie. You either throw two or you throw three, right? You know, and so you could you could make that bet, or you could have rushing yard props. I mean, there's so I mean you can bet on the coin flip now. It's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_06: 54:39

How many sips a Gatorade will be?

SPEAKER_07: 54:41

Yeah, what color is the Gatorade that gets thrown on the coach after a win? What coloring both I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_04: 54:47

Like there were two pitchers, right, that got got fined because they they determined that they were they threw pitches into the dirt because people were betting. See, like how do you that?

SPEAKER_07: 54:56

Unacceptable. You know, that's the shoeless Joe Jackson Black Sox stuff from back in the day. Right. Oh my gosh. And they're already making millions. See, that's the thing. I'm talking like the shoeless Joe Jackson. I was talking about this with Ben Shapiro the other day on uh my show, The Film Room, because we were talking about great baseball movies. That was that was at an era when you're you don't care enough about the integrity of the game or your teammates to do the right thing, but at least they weren't making millions and millions of dollars, right? Yeah, now you don't care enough about the integrity of the game or your teammates or the millions of dollars. You're making more than doctors make, man, but you need to hit your prop bet under so you remove yourself early from a game. Like yeah, again, back to the word of unacceptable. Maybe that's the word of the day. I like it.

SPEAKER_03: 55:39

And then we got and it it even makes you feel worse for Pete Rose. Oh stupid. You know, at least he was betting on himself. Is that proven? Yeah, I I don't I don't know Pete Rose. Good question. You sound like my co-host now, James.

SPEAKER_05: 55:52

Well, the thing is, he he didn't do it as a player. No, he didn't do it as a player, and he was if he was betting, it was on his team to win. So you're I you're just talking about should he be in the Hall of Fame or not, which we all agree.

SPEAKER_03: 56:04

I think of course he should be. Of course he should be. And it's just heartbreaking that you knew they were gonna wait for him to pass away in some form or another before they let him. I mean, you know, you talk about it man out, the heel is joking. He I mean yeah, he's bet on baseball. The lifetime ban it pretty harsh. Pretty harsh. I still hate it. I mean, he the guy is the all-time hits leader. Yeah. Never I mean, videos of him like steamrolling catchers in the all-star game. The guy you can't argue that he played hard.

SPEAKER_07: 56:38

I'm fine with institutions having a ethical benchmark beyond just what you do on the field and them standing by it for right or wrong or whatever they say that is. If they say you can't gamble and play this sport, and then you do that, and they say the penalty for that is you're never gonna be in our hall of fame. We don't care if you had the most home runs or the most hits, and or you can't inject yourself with steroids and you did that. I'm fine with that. The problem is then, okay, so after he dies though, then we're now we're gonna like go back on our word and now he can be in the hall of fame. So I that that part's weird to me. It just feels like the you know this is a whole nother episode.

SPEAKER_06: 57:16

Yeah, I'm happy to come back to the phone. I mean, maybe like as a real gambling thing, NIL, all of the that's a whole that's a whole episode.

SPEAKER_05: 57:26

On your show, do you guys uh is it strictly sports or you you get into the politics of sports or in sports?

SPEAKER_07: 57:33

It's morphed over time and there's been different segments. Uh do you talk about the WMBA? Uh we do very humorously. You guys do not like it.

SPEAKER_06: 57:44

That leads me into a lot of things we've talked about.

SPEAKER_07: 57:47

I had a segment on the show for a long time called Get Off My Lawn, where I would just rant about you know the most uh ludicrous sports thing from the week, which led to the Get Off My Lawn song. I said if I got a segment Get Off My Lawn, I gotta write a song Get Off My Lawn, which I'd like you guys to listen to that one and tell me what your thoughts are. Absolutely. I already like it.

SPEAKER_03: 58:06

WMB Get Off My Screen. Yeah. I I mean it's a it they're force forcing us with it. We can't say enough bad. We talk a lot about the method of the thing. I will tell you this, though, about the highlights. They are entertaining. You know, when they're like you know, the air balls and the constant layouts.

SPEAKER_05: 58:26

But my favorite thing is like you go to an Instagram reel and it's two minutes long, and it's it was like in the championship game or something. Airball on this one. They go to the other side, dribbles off her leg, back her butt, air ball.

SPEAKER_06: 58:38

It's two minutes of I mean they're gonna pile a lot of bad stuff to really make it look bad.

SPEAKER_07: 58:43

Yeah. So like we and like we don't go out of our way. Like we we want to talk about sports. It's it's society's commentary on it that we feel like we need to commentate on it, you know, which is why like I feel like when I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s, if people called themselves Democrats and people who called themselves Republicans, they both wanted what was best for America. They just disagreed on what that was. When Donald Trump got elected, and particularly into COVID, I started to realize there's a faction of this country that actually doesn't want an America to exist. I don't just mean hyperbolically, I mean they they fundamentally disagree with the concept of a nation state that has borders and within those borders a people. Even if those citizens are a melting pot, like America is. So, like, I just looked at my wife and was like, how much longer can I go until I have to get involved and use my voice? And I was running a video production company, I had clients, a lot of whom may agree with me, but still not be able to do business with me if I voice that. It was only a few months after that that that's when Ben called and said, Would you guys move to Nashville? And you don't have to talk about anything controversial. You don't have like to just we we love your show, and you know, we felt compelled, like, hey, let's go do this, let's take this chance. And when I got here, that's also why I produced songs like Just What America Needs and American Made, because I wanted to be on record for what I thought this country needed, which is kind of very similar to what you guys did. We'll try that in a small town.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:10

Yeah, and I think un I don't know if it's unfortunately, but you're right, you kind of have to draw your line in the sand if you believe what we believe, because you're gonna you're gonna hate yourself if you don't. You have to you have to speak out. And I think it's it's part of the reason why we started the podcast is because We all got kids too. And it's like it me you have to be an example. I am Charlie Kerr, going back to your code and that thing. It's like that's all of us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:43

Never, and I don't think our history dramatic about it. Has never been a time where it's been more clear what you had what side you need to be on. The middle ground's gone. It feels like it's extremes, you know. You can go down the list of stuff, you know, where it's like it's kinda it's never been more clear to me it's common sense or not. Because a lot of the stuff that you know say the other side with the left, whatever. It's it's comical. It's like, guys, this is isn't even reality. You know, men in a girl's bathrooms, come on, what are we doing? The border is crazy. I mean Obama wanted a strong border, so there's no argument here. You just want to destroy America. Yeah. You don't like the family unit, you know, you d you don't like borders, you don't like our country. It's it's to me, it's like it's not even a dis uh a choice, but you gotta to your point, you gotta say something because you know you know, otherwise what are we doing?

SPEAKER_07: 1:01:44

Yeah, you know at some point it's kinda like you're playing a game of monopoly and someone just wants to flip the board over.

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Right?

SPEAKER_07: 1:01:50

Like forget trying to win the game. Why do they want to flip the board over? Flip the board over to ruin it for everyone else. There's a a level of resentment that's that's driving it. And um yeah, I I think you you you may have said it on the episode when you guys talked about uh writing the song for the first time, and you said, Well, there's only one way to write this concept, and it's to go all in. And 99% of people in this town writers wouldn't write it this way.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:14

They wouldn't have done it, they wouldn't have written it.

SPEAKER_07: 1:02:16

No. And that's kind of I mean, that's what we're talking about. Like, if you're if you're going to voice your opinion, there's kind of only one way to be all in on some of these subjects.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:25

Yeah, and and generally, like, I mean, for the longest time really, and and before Aldane, you know, put out try that in small town, and you had and you also had people, you know, you got Charlie Kirk, you got, you know, Fox News, you got people that are standing up for the right and speaking out, but but the right, and especially if you're the Christian right, you know, is like, oh, let's just be nice and get along with everybody and everything will be fine. Well that that that's not working. You know, and so so you have people that actually have the strength to come out and say, you know what, I'm not gonna let this country I'm not gonna I'm gonna fight for it. I'm just gonna let it happen.

SPEAKER_07: 1:02:59

And you know, so that's why I was so proud about the response from the death of Charlie Kirby. Watching Christians just say, like, this hurts really, really badly. But you know what we're gonna do? Instead of going back to the local town and tearing it down or destroying it, let's get together in our communities for candlelight vigils. Let's go to church on Sunday morning, let's see if we can get someone in church who wasn't there last week. That sort of response that we've saw or that we've seen the last few weeks and months, I think is really important. And like I said before, it's our job to make sure that that continues on now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 1:03:31

I made it very clear to me too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:33

Like Neil Neil's been saying this for months and months, you know, about the spiritual war that that we're in. You know, and he's right. You know, it it's like after Charlie passed and how it was handled on one side, you know, it's like we we are. It's like it feels like God is for us, it's like never a choice. I got I mean yeah, of course. How can you exist without God? And you know it feels like an impossibility as a whole part of the country. That is like that. And and it's it's hard to it's hard to watch, but I Charlie's death just made a lot of things so clearer.

SPEAKER_07: 1:04:16

Clearer than clearer than they they've they've ever been. Sure. Really, you know. Well, look at all of us doing our part here. I mean, this show this show didn't exist a while ago based off a song that didn't didn't exist. I wasn't doing what I'm doing professionally, boys. I mean, you guys are touring all over the country sharing a message and sharing great songs. So I mean, as long as we keep doing this, I think America will win.

SPEAKER_06: 1:04:38

The only reason I came on this podcast, though, the only reason that the only interest I had in this is because there's women refs in the NFL. Is that why? Yeah. I thought the only reason I wanted to do this.

SPEAKER_07: 1:04:50

I thought, I wonder if Neil's only doing this because they mandate a female ref. And I want to know your thoughts on that. I can't stand it. I can't stand it. And if my brother, if if if the women were the best referee, all we want is good refereeing. That's all I want. I'd rather have the game officiated perfectly than it be a man doing it. Wouldn't we all agree with that? Yeah, like that means that all female crew, brother. I'll take an all-female crew every day so that they can officiate the game perfectly. But this forced affirmative action and DEI component to it is so silly. And I know you guys were bringing this up a little bit with Kirk Kerb Street, the difference between the NFL and college football. I grew up in a household that loved both. My dad was a Dolphins fan, but I grew up in a very small southern town where college football was king. Um, so I appreciated both, but over time you can tell that there is this corporate entity, this this corporate interest and global interest that's driving the NFL, and that's one example of it. In a way that maybe the same is true for college football. It's got plenty of problems. It's got plenty of problems that need solutions, but at least there still is this regional and local aspect to college football that is cut kind of part of some of the problems, which also is the appeal, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:02

I actually do agree with that. Uh because the NFL is well, they're both huge business, but there is a lot of It takes all of us, Kurt. Neil, choose choose loving. It takes all of us. For instance, I'll give you an example.

SPEAKER_07: 1:06:14

Talking about talking about Bob Baumhauer and Richard Todd and Jack Tatum and uh and all these great NFL guys. I saw I saw a reel on X yesterday that was a promotional reel for the NFL in the 70s that had blood dripping down the arms, grabbing a face mask, ripping them off. Every single shot would have been a penalty in today's game. And so again, I understand there's an aspect to wanting I don't even want to say making the game safer, unnecessarily putting guys in harm's way when it comes to cognitive concussion stuff. I understand that. But a softening of the sport that just makes it not what it is anymore. And it's not it's not for entertainment purposes. This is why I always say about football. I don't care about the guy who's sitting on his couch watching to be entertained who's eating potato chips. This is about giving young men an opportunity to go showcase what they're capable of on a field and face adversity. And you know, the more you soften the game at every single level, the more the more of an opportunity you're taking away from them to do that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:31

Amen. What's the most woke professional league? NFL, MBA, and or NHL? Like what would be the NHL. That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_07: 1:07:43

It's gotta be the WNBA, right? Yeah, yeah. Would you say that NFL I'm watching the Stanley Cup? I'm watching the Stanley Cup finals and they cut away to because the finals was during June or whatever. I won't let them co-op them an entire month for but there is a month that gets associated. Uh they run a rainbow, you know, a game of pride thing during the anyway. I thought y'all were talking about like on the court, on the ice. Well, NBA does that. Oh no. Those dudes, those dudes are grown men. Hockey man, which I'm coming from the south, I never really watched hockey until I went to Michigan and I realized, oh wait, they like this as much as football. Yeah, that's yeah. And those are grown men playing. That's it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:19

Maybe there could be a thing like if if you're like a a trans athlete, maybe that would be should be the test. Like if you want to if you want to swim and you're you know, biological man and you're you're trans athlete and you're you're becoming a woman, uh, then you make them go through hockey first. And if you're won't they let them do contact sports?

SPEAKER_07: 1:08:40

If you can do that in the trans athlete, contact. Let's go. What's a trans athlete? Because I I don't even acknowledge the term. Like I'm just gotten to the point where I'm like, okay, a man who wants to be a woman? Okay, you're a man then. And look, I'm proud to say I heard something. So talking about like what it what is our sport show, uh again, it's it's ebbed and flows, there's been different iterations, but I'm very proud to say that we got Riley Gaines on at a time before she was internationally known, and she's been very good to us, and we've created a friendship with her. Just trying to highlight her story. Because again, so much of this is about the terminology that we use and what we seed to the other side, and I just I refuse to do it, man. I won't be able to do that. Especially as the father of two young daughters right now, I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:09:26

They still call they still call Bruce Jenner Caitlin on Fox. And again, it's a good thing. And I'm like, what are you doing? I'm like, I know, I know you know what I'm saying. People can change their name if they want to change their own. They still call him Caitlin, even though they know how insane it is, they still call him Caitlin. I think he might be going back to Bruce. That's what I would use. It looks like it. I hope so. I think it's the best bet at this age, yeah, just to go back to Bruce. The point is you can't have both. You can't be against the woke world and be against and speak against all that, but yet you're still calling them by their wanted name. It's not their real name. And you know what I'm talking about? I'm like Yeah, I mean it's it still drives me crazy. I'm like Yeah. On the name thing, it's like we call Euther Ash. Oh no. Is that what they call euther ash?

SPEAKER_07: 1:10:14

Okay. Uh have you lost any At least it's masculine. Yeah, I like that. Have you lost any bets from female refs?

SPEAKER_06: 1:10:21

No, no. I just want to see a female ref break up a fight. No, I do feel though that's what I want to see.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:32

Just uh random or is there one?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:34

She's angry, she's grumpy. Flag! She's not holding enough. He's not holding me enough.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:41

What about what about uh because some at this table are against it, like uh female sports commentators on on football. Do you do you care? Do you mind if they're like as long as they're I gotta back up from the mic real quick because hey we have Michelle to play on who's awesome.

SPEAKER_07: 1:10:58

Yeah, well again, commentators or sideline reporters or I mean not play-by-play. There's some.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:03

I think they were talking about because I tried to qualify it. I said I said, well, sideline reporters, if they're female, sent to me it seems like it'd be easier to get the coaches to come over to you, you know, as opposed to to a guy, you know. But um but I think you guys said you don't r really like like a female sports commentator talking about the game of football.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:23

I don't like the play by play. Uh or even the color, because like if you're if you're talking about football, like if you're never playing, exactly you've never played as opposed to how can you relate if you've never played?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:40

No, there's song pluggers that don't even like country music. One of my biggest.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:44

They'll sit there and they'll say, hmm. I don't know if that that's hooked right or the second verse isn't right. Well, how would Yeah it's not a hit. Show me the song you've written. Yes, not a hit. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07: 1:11:56

Again, I I get back to the point, like anyone who has earned a position in a meritocratic way, you know, like based off merit, this is what I'm good at. I'm the best of the best, and I've earned this position, like I can get on board with that. It's this forced affirmative action aspect to it. That's how it is. To appease people, to your point, to appease people who don't even really love the sport. Yep. You know, like I love the sport, man. Like I and this is one of the criticisms that I have for Roger Goodell in particular. I just feel like in an attempt to globalize the product, even to the point of wanting to send the Super Bowl overseas, he's so desperate now. Overseas Super Bowl so that they can make more money internationally and having bad bunny at the Super Bowl and all this kind of stuff. In an effort to do that, he would gladly sell out any one of us who grew up loving the sport, who helped build the league into what it is, in a way that I don't feel is is the same for someone like Dana White, right? Who has an international sport. Right. I mean, Dana's hosting UFC events all over the country. I've gotten to know him a little bit these last few years through Power Slap and through some of the things that we've done with Jeremy's Razors sponsorships over there at Daily Wire. I never feel like he's trying to sell out the original UFC fans who helped build that sport into what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:12

Well, because you are a football player.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:19

Tell me about Drake. Tell me about Drake May.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:21

And that concludes our podcast.

SPEAKER_07: 1:13:22

Tell me about what's your take, what's your take on Drake May? My take is he's a starting quarterback for the Patriots, and that's a good gig. That's right. That's a good gig. At a time when when Vrabel, which I have to say, Vrabel, uh talking about UFC, UFC had a fight night here in Nashville, and it was really cool. I got to sit right there ringside, right behind Dana White. Vrabel's right behind me when he was coaching at the Titans. And we're like looking at each other as these fights were finishing and stuff. Titans fire him. He goes back to New England. Look at him now. Yeah, Roland. Great coach, yeah. Roland, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:54

Well, it's just a good it's a it's the it's it's a great fit. He's back home. It's a great fit. And you know, McDaniel back with you know, with Drake, you know, just you know, which Alabama tried to get Drake May.

SPEAKER_07: 1:14:09

Alabama tried to get him away from UNC, but it was a North Carolina legacy. But it it is fun. I was just curious your take. He he looks looks pretty good. I mean I think he's really good. You know, looks that whole class, man. Like all of those guys, and these guys, because the contracts are so insane now, they're having to start younger and younger, right? Like, we got to see what you're made of before we owe a quarter billion dollars on your second contract. And so these guys are getting thrust into action in a way that wasn't the same for Aaron Rodgers being able to sit behind Brett Favre and and some of those guys, or what Tom Brady was supposed to do with Drew Bledsoe before he was thrust into action. So I just have a lot of admiration for someone who tried to play the game at that level, watching what what they do is it's incredible.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:55

Man, we are gonna need to have you back. We didn't get to talk any movies or anything. There's too much stuff.

SPEAKER_06: 1:15:02

We're a bunch of songwriters in the music business, and all we want to talk about is everything but the music business most of the time.

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:08

Yeah, well, look, I'll talk about anything, man. I'll talk about anything.

SPEAKER_06: 1:15:11

Uh do you like to talk about sports more or music more?

SPEAKER_07: 1:15:15

Well, it's there's an aspect to it where it's like every day I'm talking about sports. So when I'm around you guys, I'm like, man, let's just go write a song real quick. Can we just knock one out? Um, but I love it all, man. I love it all. I love it all. We do too. We do too. You we need to encourage people to check out David Cohn and Richest Man. Mayflower cigars there, courtesy of Michael Knowles. Awesome, thank you. Brought those over. He signed that for you guys, so I hope you enjoy. Uh where can you find Richest Man of Town? Everywhere? Everywhere. That's right. Everywhere except the radio. No, but it's uh look, uh awesome project that I that I'm just again really happy that Kent Wells took a chance on me and and produced some good material and um really proud of the album. Please listen to it on Spotify, Apple Music, or uh you know, buy it off iTunes, all that good stuff. Absolutely. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:06

Make sure you check out the podcast, Crane and Company, that's good stuff. Uh if you're watching us, leave us a review. What do you think of David Cohn? Yeah. Pretty good. He's pretty good for a next pitcher.

SPEAKER_07: 1:16:17

If I need to come back as the perfect game for the Yankee story. If that increases viewership, I'm happy to do it. We'll talk about Lady Ballers next time. Did you see Lady Ballers? I just saw the trailer. I didn't know what was out. Hey, so y'all want to have some fun tonight? Go home on Amazon Prime and watch Lady Ballers. Just watch me dunk on chicks. Oh my god. Oh my god. Keeping men out of women's sports. We we left our mark on that subject, which again, Riley Gaines was in that movie. Yeah. Her being in that film for a brief cameo sort of sanctioned that project for us. Because the way that started, without going, I know we're over, but uh, we would always joke with Ben Shapiro when he'd come in that we should get Blaine, my co-host, to infiltrate the WNBA. They're letting this happen now. Let's really do it. And he would laugh and he would laugh and he would laugh. Well, one time he laughed and he called us back and he said, Let's make a movie. Let's make a movie where you guys are former basketball players and now you're in a women's league, and let's make a comedy. And so we watch dodgeball, we watch all these Tropic Thunder, all these great comedies to like prep for that. And they let us act in a movie. I still don't know how we're gonna be able to do that. I mean the trailer is hysterical. I mean, uh, we encourage everybody to check that out, too. Lady Ballers and where can you watch it? Amazon Prime, I think uh FUBO, uh Fire TV, uh all sorts of stuff. Yeah. Definitely check that out. Sorry. DailyWire Plus is where you can watch.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:37

Absolutely. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:41

I actually have Daily Wire Plus. There's some good stuff on there. Yeah. Um Like I said, if you're watching us, leave us a review, download the episode. We've got to thank Original Glory Beer. We gotta thank espaces.com.com. We gotta definitely thank eSpace's awesome studio, and of course, Patriot Mobile.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:59

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:00

Yeah, we got TK, Caleb, Trash, and David Comb right there. I'm curb. We appreciate you guys watching this. So try that in the Small Town Podcast.