Daddy Daughter Scary Horror 6.12 (Friday the 13th Part 7: The New Blood, 1988)

How do you re-invigorate a classic but lagging horror franchise?  Try mixing it with a considerably classier classic horror movie.  Thus, Eric & Serling arrive at the premise for "Friday the 13th: The New Blood".  Maybe the best thing about this film is that you get to see Terry Kiser dead in a movie for the second time in the 80s.  

Transcript

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People talk about it in a sort of wistful way, like they were kind of really hoping this could have been something else.

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Who people are you talking to?

SPEAKER_01 0:08

I talk to people. I I I know uh people other than you. You're not my only friend.

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All right, so we're back continuing the conversation about Friday the thirteenth. We covered the original last show. Um take a listen.

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Yes. It's a good it's a very good movie, right? It was.

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Uh and at the end of that episode, you had me roll dice to see which Friday the thirteenth sequel we were going to Crowbar in this season.

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And let me tell you Yeah, how'd you do with that?

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Bat batly.

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Yeah.

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But let me just tell you, there are so many sequels. There are like how many twelve?

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Well, there are twelve movies, so anything you rolled would have qualified us for something. Because you were rolling two dice. And you yeah, usually you like rolling a seven when you've got dice in your hand. Um craps, want to be rolling that seven. It's uh it's a better than average Parchee roll. But for our purposes here on the cast, your seven uh it backed us backed us into a little bit of a corner, didn't it?

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Yeah, we had to watch this one.

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The new blood. Friday the thirteenth, part seven.

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Meanwhile, there was barely any blood in this one, new or old.

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And also Yeah, it's a little tame on the gore. There's plenty of suggested violence, so it's not like you can watch this with like a six-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Well I can't. Yes, you could. So was Friday the thirteenth the original a copycat hit or an original hit? Did it like copy Say more about that. Wasn't there some model you were telling Kate about that was like a groundbreaking original movie? No, yeah, yeah, yeah. It leads to like a ton of copycat movies.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, so there's this cool book called Blood Money. I can't think of the author, but we'll include it in the show notes. So this book it examines the slasher film period of the 1980s. So there was what was called a pioneer film that kind of comes out of nowhere, like a psycho or Rosemary's Baby, or like even uh like a cabinet of Doc Caligari back in the twenties, the nineteen twenties. I guess we have to specify that now.

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So nothing that came before it really influenced it.

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Yeah. So the Pioneer film for the Slashers is probably this movie called Black Christmas from 1973 or four.

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Weren't we supposed to watch that in the Bees?

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What is that? What is that? What is it? Oh no, no, not the Bees! It's not the Bees.

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We were supposed to watch that in the Bees. We ran out of space.

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So then the Pioneer movie leads to the copycat?

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No. There's something in between. There's a speculator film that tests the waters to see if the public still wants a movie like the Pioneer movie. Uh to see whether the Pioneer film was maybe just a fluke. So Halloween is the speculator movie that tests the Black Christmas waters four years after it came out. And then Halloween becomes a huge blockbuster, which in the book, Blood Money, is termed uh a trailblazer movie.

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Halloween is the trailblazer that leads to copycats.

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Yes. Oh, whereas the book calls them Prospector Cash-Ins. I thought they're going by old West terminology. So these Prospector Cash-ins are trying to replicate that trailblazer success. So that's where Friday the thirteenth sits. So two years after Halloween proved to be kind of a successful template. Um and then Friday the thirteenth really kicks off the slasher cycle because Friday was such a huge hit, and it became what's known as the reinforcing hit that cements the template into place and allows lots of people to make money for a short period of time until the public gets sick of it.

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I'm lost on the amount of so this is actually called or this is referenced to like what's also known as the reinforcing hit.

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Which is also known as it takes this really seriously. It's a very well researched book. It's chock full. It's pretty dense in terms of theories and research substantiation.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

Wait, so what do you think s other pioneer films have been?

SPEAKER_01 4:42

I would have to think about that for a second. Dr. Caligari, sure.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

This would be a good bonus episode. You know, we haven't done one of those in a while.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I like that idea. No, I love it. That's a great idea. Let's plan on that. Because yeah, at this point we seem to be doing everything we can to not talk about Friday the 13th, part seven here. All right, recap. And oh, Richard Noel is the guy who wrote Blood Money. Now I don't have to put in the show notes. And um another book we're referencing on the show today, our old buddy John Kenneth Muir, horror films in the nineteen eighties, for our recap. You do the honors there, sweetface.

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Thank you.

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Friday the thirteenth, part seven, New Blood.

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Alright, so young Tina is traumatized when her parents argue. When her father tries to apologize for his behavior, Tina's psychic powers come out to avoid her.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And she accidentally causes her father's drowning in Crystal Lake by collapsing a pier.

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Mm-hmm. He falls in.

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Yeah, it's it's an interesting You like that beginning? No.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

What was interesting about it then? Just like the psychicness and her No, it's uh not a bad idea to try to reinvent this series by bringing something different into it.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Yeah. Um years later, Tina is an adult, living with her with the guilt of her actions as a child. Under the guidance of Doctor Cruz, she returns to Camp Crystal Lake to face the pain.

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Bad news Cruz. She uses her psychic powers to attempt to revive her father. But they resurrect the mass murderer Jason Voorhees instead. Jason murders more teens and locals until Tina bands together with bad boy Nick.

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Is he bad boy? No.

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Didn't seem like a bad boy to me. Seems like a pretty boy. But anyway, bands together with Nick to stop Jason. She uses all of her psychokinetic powers to combat the undead Voorhees, but it will be a Spectre from the past who finally takes down the maniac. Yes.

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Yeah.

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Trailer.

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This is the one you've been waiting for. Your psychokinesis and these delusions are the first one.

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Recommended age?

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Yeah, where what are you going for this?

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I said nine. Wow.

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Nine.

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Solid nine year old could watch this.

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No, just because there's not much gore, I still think there's a lot of implied carnage going on. I wouldn't go nine.

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Ten.

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Yeah. Ten, ten and a half.

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Alright, ten and a half.

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And so this lack of gore is interesting, though, because everything that you expect in a Friday the thirteenth movie, which is pretty much gore, is gone from this. And I think it was because the MPAA, Motion Picture Association of America, I think they were getting fed up with all these prospector cash-in movies that were going on in the eighties and all this horror and all this gore and violence. I think they made it more difficult to get an R rating versus an X rating, which you definitely do not want to get with your motion picture, because it means that you'll cut a lot of your audience out on opening weekend, which is very important, to get your money back. So I think they made them cut a lot out of this movie. And you could see setups for what might look like cool kills, but then they're just so watered down and lame. Okay. So we said ten and a half, but do we even recommend this movie, Sterling?

SPEAKER_02 9:27

No. No, no. If you are a very picky person with your acting like me, or if you are just a theater pick.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

People don't watch horror movies for for pristine acting.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Well, I do. So you're on the wrong podcast. Like a theater kid that will pick apart acting skills. Don't I don't watch this. The acting's awful.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

But you've liked other you've recommended other movies that the acting's been bad. I don't think the acting is the only thing wrong with this movie. I think it's got a lot wrong with it.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Are we going into minuses now?

SPEAKER_01 9:55

No, we're just getting to the point where we'd recommend or wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

I wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Okay, so you say no. I I will say this. I did not like this movie as much as I thought I did when I was seventeen when I saw it for the first time. I thought it was not bad. It's bad. But I think it's worth it for the last third of the movie. But you have to wait a long time for it to kick into gear.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

And it's so stupid.

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I think it's important for horror fans to be able to say, yes, I've seen Friday the 13th, part seven. I am stuck with this franchise at its most ridiculous. And this is this isn't the most ridiculous that it gets.

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Jason goes to space.

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Yeah, we'll get there.

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I think that's all I really need to say about that.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Um But it it it hits some ridiculousness for sure.

SPEAKER_02 10:42

Speaking of the lack of gore, we never really talked about Tom Savini on the Friday the thirteenth, the first one, the original.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

No, we didn't take a listen.

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And that was sort of after we teased the audience that we were going to when we did the next time on DDSH on the episode before.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Right, which would have been um Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell, starring Ben Orr from the Cars, very talented man. But good catch, Sterling. Tell us about Tom Savini. Even though he didn't do the makeup effects for this one, very clearly. But yeah, as long as we're talking about the franchise and the legacy of Friday the thirteenth, it wouldn't be uh have this elevated status if it weren't for Tom Savini.

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So Tom Savini was a photographer in the Vietnam War because he didn't want to kill people, he just wanted to be a fancy. Yeah. Uh and he saw all of the terrible violence there and put it into makeup.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yes. So he first worked with George Romero, I think, on Dawn of the Dead in 78, right when he came back.

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Mm-hmm. I like the clips of him on David Letterman where he's showing off all his creatures. The rat, I think, was one of them.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Yeah, there's a rat. There's some stuff from Day of the Dead. Fun stuff. Although Dave didn't seem to appreciate getting his hand set on fire at one time. Uh I know Tom Savini had his own school for a while, his own makeup school. Not sure whether he's doing that anymore. Not sure whether he's still working in the industry anymore. CGI kind of reduced the demand for a lot of practical effects in Hollywood, at least for a while.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Yeah. Alright, one word review.

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Okay, yeah. I got one. You got one?

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Yeah.

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What's your one-word review for part seven?

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Uh I said unfulfilling.

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Unfulfilling. Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Why?

SPEAKER_02 12:23

I just felt like it just left the audience's needs for the Friday the thirteenth franchise unattended. Because it was like, all right, it's Friday the thirteenth, part seven. There should be gore, there should be violence, there should be excitement, there should be no slow patches, no missing patches in the story.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Well, it does have a good showdown. There should be a little bit more to uh push the legend forward. I agree with you. It kind of runs out of steam. I said slapdash, which means sloppy and careless. So they took what could have been been an interesting idea, and then they just ruined it by bad writing, bad acting, zero character interest. And, like we said, really tame gore. The wiki for this said that the producer for the movie set out to make a Friday deserving of an Academy Award. Do you believe that?

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I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Do you believe that anyone used this and Academy Award in the same sentence, even in development? Uh they even approached Federico Fellini to direct it. This is again, this is it sounds like a joke. Uh I'm hoping someone just hasn't been up to the job of fact-checking the Friday the 13th Part 7 Wikipedia page.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Who's Federico?

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Oh, Federico Fellini, he's a legendary uh Italian film director who had a very exaggerated visual style. He worked a lot in the 60s and 70s, mainly in the 60s. He had uh such a distinctive style, Sterling, that I believe the word Fellini-esque is actually in the dictionary.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

Oh.

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Just like Python-esque is.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Yeah. But imagining that Federico Fellini would have seriously considered having anything to do with this movie is sort of like saying Orson Wells' almost directed Attack of the Crab Monsters. Which is not to say that he wouldn't have. But if the price was right. What else came out in 1988? What was competing on the theater screens with part seven?

SPEAKER_02 14:23

A lot. We have Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.

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I didn't know that was a movie, but okay. Apparently it is. She was like a horror movie cable hostess.

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Okay. Uh Child's Play.

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Right. D Take a Listen, season three.

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The Nest.

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I don't know that one.

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Watchers.

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Any of these look good to you? Oh, that's a Dean Kuhn's book.

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Oh my god, it's Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

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What an uh Decays are coming.

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Monkey Shines.

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That's a George Romero film that I've never seen.

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The Blob.

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The remake. We liked that.

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Return of the Living Dead.

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Part two, right?

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Yeah.

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Because Return of the Living Dead is before that.

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They live.

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My man, JC.

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Hobgoblins.

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Mm-hmm.

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Pulse.

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Is that a Korean film or a Japanese film?

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Probably. Probably.

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It looks to be it.

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The Layer of the White Worm.

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Layer of the White Worm. That's Is that Ken Russell? That might be a Ken Russell movie. I've seen that.

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Waxwork?

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That's fun. That has um oh man. Who's the guy who played uh the evil genius in Time Bandits? David Warner. Oh, yes. He's in that one. Waxworks is a fun movie.

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Pumpkin Head.

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Yes, that's Stan Winston.

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Manic cop.

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Maniac cop.

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Maniac.

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Never saw that.

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The Vanishing and the Serpent.

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The Vanishing, the remake. Um the original is a Dutch film by George Slusier, which is great. He directed the American remake with Kiefer Sutherland, but it's not as good.

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And The Serpent and the Rainbow. I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

The Serpent and the Rainbow is a good movie. Voodoo Zombies. Alright, class of 88. Thank you. Let's get into our pluses. I know you say you didn't like anything about this movie, but I bet there's something you didn't mind, at least. I like that we get the newcomer recap intro to all Friday the 13th after like the fourth one. Yeah. Because they assume that someone's coming to the theater who has never seen this is the first time you've been in a theater seat and seen one of these movies, even though it's part seven, so they have to recap. And it saves them a bunch of production time too, because they just edit together uh clips from parts one through six, and you got ten minutes of your movie made. Um pros I my hands down biggest plus with this movie is the Jason look. What do you think of how Jason looked in this?

SPEAKER_02 16:53

I liked it. I liked seeing the spine, even though it kind of looked like that yellow foam that we have inside of our Halloween decorations.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

But I like that he's all eaten up. I guess from the beating he took at the end of part six, presumably. And I like the um But he's also been down near the bottom of the lake for a year or two.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

I liked how uh with the mask you can see like the mouth.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

Yeah, half his ripped open jaw is showing through a hole in the hockey mask.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

But you said you didn't like how short he is. Uh well Jason is supposed to be big and imposing.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Yeah, I did I did say that. So I may have to downgrade this plus to a hmm. But no, I don't have a whole lot of pluses to spare on this movie, so I'm gonna keep it a plus. Um I think it was more of how this Jason was built. The actor playing him Kane Hodder, he's actually 6'3, which surprised me. But he's very stocky and kind of round, like a big bowling ball. So yeah, I like a taller, leaner Jason, but I like how ripped apart he is. What else?

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Okay. I have two pluses.

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Okay, good. Oh, I've got a plus, but I'm gonna save it for my coolest kill.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Um the little girl, Tina, kind of looks like the girl from Poltergeist, Rest in Peace. Heather O'Rourke. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

I think that's obviously what they were kind of going for visually. They threw everything into the soup for this movie. I liked the scene in the barn where the girl who does her own makeover sequence. That was cute. That's actually a kind of like if there's anything scary in this movie, it's that scene.

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Mm-hmm.

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So And she was your unf Sirling's unfortunate favorite, I think.

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I like Jason in the corner of the room where there was the little lightning, and I had to point this out to you because you didn't notice because it was like very dimmed.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Oh, the guy's going into the refrigerator for a beer or something.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah, and um there's like this wide shot of the room, like the camera's probably like on the ceiling or something. And you see the guy walking across to the fridge, and there's little lightning, and of course my horror movie brain was like, okay, there's gonna be something here. There's lightning, there's gonna be like a little flash of something.

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Something revealed.

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That I thought I saw something, and I was like, wait, Dad, rewind. Yeah, I didn't see it. Standing in the corner. Yeah. He's just brooding in the corner of the room.

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And yeah, you caught it, I didn't.

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Yeah. And I like the penis enlargement joke.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yes. So the whole they're gathering for a birthday party, and one of the presents is a penis enlarger. And he opens it up and it's a magnifying glass, which is pretty funny. Yeah. Um I I kind of like the combination of part four with the kids renting a cabin next door. You get what else? Anything else good?

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No.

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Sorry, this is the Do I even ask if you have a serving spotlight for this one? Don't bother. Okay. Loud and clear. Alright, let's get to minuses, and there are plenty.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

So um I will go first.

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I'm just gonna say just boring kills is what really kills the kill. The horn in the eye?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Can we just talk about the horn in the eye for like four seconds?

SPEAKER_01 19:54

No, because that might be my coolest kill. You never know.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

No, Dad.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Party horn in the eye? Really It makes a little sound when he's it makes a little honk when he's gonna be. All right. Let's go coolest kill right now because you revealed mine. My coolest kill is the hor the party horn in the eye.

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Yes, that was mine. Yeah, was there no other thing?

SPEAKER_01 20:15

How can it be a your coolest kill when you put it as a negative?

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Because this movie confused me.

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Well, I will say my second place coolest kill is the sleeping bag kill then. When he grabs the girl in the sleeping bag and just slams her against the tree a bunch of times. See, that they could show because there's no real graphic blood. You see the blood inside the sleeping bag as he's smashing against the tree. But I thought that was a a clever way to get around overt gore. Uh the music is bad in this.

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The mom is just annoying.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah.

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Remember I got up and just acted out how annoying she was?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I do remember that. Yeah. Good days.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

Good days. The cinematography kind of annoyed me.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Like Are you saying cinematography or cinematography?

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Cinematography.

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What is it?

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Cinematography.

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I thought it was fine. There wasn't that much you can't put too fine a cinematographer polish on a movie like this.

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And the Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

It's got the worst dialogue so far. Yeah.

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The writing is terrible.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Slaughterhouse, conveyor belt, nothing character kills.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Didn't you write down a quote from something that they said?

SPEAKER_01 21:28

I don't know if I have a quote. Just trust us. Bad dialogue. Um wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Anyway. I have another pro.

unknown 21:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

How?

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Jason raiding Home Depot. He like is pulling out garden implement after gardening implement. He's got like a big long edger on a stick. He finally gets his machete back, but he uh he does some other stuff too. He gets creative with some of his killing.

SPEAKER_03 21:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

And again, like we're all over the place with this episode. But another pro that I had, because I started another page, but I like the showdown. With him and Tina. I like how she electrocutes him in the in the mud. The c telekinetic stuff works okay, I think.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

I thought that it was kind of a slow start to the movie. Yeah. And you know who else really got on my nerves?

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Who?

SPEAKER_02 22:15

The stone guy.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Who's the stone guy?

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Always have to add a stone guy. Oh the drugger. Yes. You always have to add them.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Yeah, starting with Well, there's marijuana talk in part one. Yeah. But then you have the stone or like the Cheech and Chong reference in part three in the van. Yeah, there's always someone smoking something in these movies. What else?

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Okay, I'm done berating this movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

I don't think you are.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Any SGS moments in this? No.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah. But you got a little bit excited with the showdown at the end. It won you back a teeny little bit at the end, but I think you were won back is maybe not the right expression because I think you were done with this movie.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

Yep. And also, like, the showdown means that you're getting close to the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Oh, so that's why you like it.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Right. Um Fight Flight Freeze.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Uh okay, Flight, Fly Freeze. Um, how about we start with the fight? Uh sorry I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

I'm listening to the hit single jingle. Music and lyrics by Eric Bockman.

unknown 23:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Explain to the audience, sirling. Explain to the good people out there listening what Fight Flight Freeze is.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

For the 80 millionth time, they know this already.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

But what if someone's this is their first podcast?

SPEAKER_02 23:24

We're going back to like if someone went to Friday the thirteenth part six. This is season one.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

This might be someone's first podcast of ours that they download, so tell them what fight, flight, freeze is a little feature that we do. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Flight. You want to run away. Fight.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Well, they know what they mean. They just didn't know why we're doing it. So um fight.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Tina. I feel like Tina's the only one that really fights.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Yeah. Yeah. As far as the non-Johns. If she's the only fighter. Or whoever that guy was. I mean, Tina's mom finally stands up to the evil doctor right before she gets killed.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

Yeah. I don't count that as fighting. And he uses her like a shield. He's trying to be like James Bond and women.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Terry Kaiser would have been a great James Bond.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Heck. Wait, so I kind of want to go back to the showdown. What did you think of it?

SPEAKER_01 24:10

I liked it. It was the only reason why this movie works on any level. And I think it's it does an okay job of selling the premise, which is Carrie versus Jason. So horror movies are a combo of things that work. So we talked about, you know, the Trailblazer and the Pioneer films, but a lot of times horror movies are just combining other stuff that's popular out there. So Friday the 13th was a combination of Halloween and a movie. So Halloween comes out in 78. There's a movie that comes out in 1979 that really influenced the first Friday the 13th. Can you think of what it was? It's not a horror movie. So you have Psycho Killer on the Loose, and where is Friday the 13th taking place?

SPEAKER_02 24:54

In a camp.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

And what movie came out in 1979?

SPEAKER_02 24:59

No.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Meatballs. No.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Don't ruin meatballs for the city.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

No, the producer was like I was looking at what was popular, and I decided to combine these movies. Take a killer, put him in a summer camp. It works. People seem to want to see this. And s and Sean Cunningham, the director and producer of the movie, he didn't have a movie, but he put an ad in Variety, which is like a Hollywood magazine, and he said, the most terrifying film ever made, Friday the 13th. All he had was the title.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

And people responded to it in Hollywood, and they were like, You have this movie? And he's like, I don't have the movie yet, but it's I got a great script, and if you give me a little bit of money, I'll give it to you and you can distribute it for me. So that's how he kind of got this off the ground and got it going. Combining Halloween and meatballs, baby.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Yeah, and sorry, I know, like you said, we're all over the place, but I have one more minus.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

One more minus.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

The ending. It's absurd and it's ridiculous. Okay. So the dad gets kind of a resurrected.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Well, she tries to resurrect him in the beginning. Yeah, and then she resurrects. They say lake. It looks like a pond to me.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

And also, Dad, I'm sorry. What really confused me there was that after Jason like pops up from the water, she just yells, Daddy? And then it just cuts to totally different scene. Like they did not just see.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

But she's also kind of wondering what she's seeing and what she isn't seeing, because the doctor is kind of setting her up. Remember, he puts like the tent spike in the side of the house and then it's gone when they go to see it. So he's messing with her mind a little bit. But to get back to the ending, I like that she's figuring out these new powers. So Carrie is the same way in that movie, like she finds a way to unleash all this rage inside her, and Tina finds a way to channel her telekinetic talents into fighting Jason. And she's not great at it at first. She gets better throughout the finale. But yeah, I I sort of like that. The brain over Braun.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Yeah, and then she gets like cornered and Jason's like about to kill her. The movie was about to be over, thank God. Right. Uh and then the dad pops up and beats up.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

They make this movie even worse by having her dad pop up from his watery grave. And my brain's like And he looks fine, by the way. It looks like he was just down there for a dip. Not like he's been down there for twenty years or something.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

And of course we're not gonna bring back uh her boyfriend Nick. We're gonna bring back the dad.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No, Nick's in the ambulance with her, remember?

SPEAKER_02 27:33

No, I mean like he could have been there to beat up Jason.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Yeah, that guy wasn't beating up anybody.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Tomato Tomato?

unknown 27:40

I'm sure that they did.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

What do you think this got on Rotten Tomatoes? I'll tell you it's low, but it's not crazy low.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

30%.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

33%. So that puts us in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom territory. You never never interested in watching any of the Aquamans. You liked superhero movies for like a second until you realize, oh, there are too many characters other than Iron Man in these. I'm not that interested in that.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

If Iron Man isn't the main character Uh Teen Wolf, the movie.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

So not the ones with Michael J. Fox or Jason Bateman. They did another version. I didn't even know about this, but they did a remake in 2023. That got 33%. Sleepwalkers, which is a Stephen King's story about shape-shifting cats. That got 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. Are you ready for our favorite game?

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Guess Tomato. Yeah. Tell us how Guest the Tomatoes played, Sterling, just in case this is their first time seeing Friday the 13th 7 and their first time listening to us.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Okay. It's where you will give me hints about a movie that has the same percentage that's a 33% movie on Rotten Tomatoes, and you'll give me hints, five hints. Obscure at first, then getting gradually easier. Um and we'll see how you do.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Yeah. All right. Wait, what are we playing for? We are playing for some creative candy. So you've never had one of these before, but we picked it out of the store today. This is a watchamacollet.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Oh a what?

SPEAKER_01 29:11

No, not a what.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

No, is that the name? Whatchamacollet. Let me see that. Let me see that.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

And um I remember when these came out. They came out when I was a kid, and I remember them not being bad, but we'll see what you think, or we'll see whether you guess this movie.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

Made with chocolate.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

This 33% movie.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I'm sorry, can I just read this off? Uh made with chocolate, peanut butter flavored crisps and caramel.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

Yeah, they didn't did I don't think it used to have the caramel in there. I think they ruined it for me when they put the caramel in there. I liked it better when it was just the peanut buttery, crispy things. Alright, so here's how we'll do it. For every clue that you don't get, you gotta take a nice big bite of this Watchma callet. Which is perfect because we haven't had dessert from dinner tonight either. So here you go. I'm gonna hand the bar to you. First of all, I'm gonna take now I'll no, you take a bite.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Oh, you take it.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

I'm gonna see whether it tastes like I remember. Because I haven't had one of these since I was like maybe your age. I remember the battery because it's caramel on it. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

Give it. Give it that.

unknown 30:09

Give it that.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Okay. I'm gonna reserve comment until you try it for the first time. Which I'm sure won't be long from now. Because here's your first clue. We've done this 33% Rotten Tomatoes movie on the podcast. That's your first clue.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

I got this.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

I know we've done a lot of movies on this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Can you tell me what season it's from?

SPEAKER_01 30:34

That's your next clue. Alright, no, I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

We've done this 33% Rotten Tomatoes movie in this season. The F's.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Um I know it's not freaks.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yeah, that got high. Alright, take a bite of that whatchamacallit. And tell the audience what you think. Oh, take a bigger bite than that. Take a real bite.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

I took a bite. Um.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

What do you think? See, for me, the caramel ruins it. I always just like the peanut buttery crispies with a chocolate coating.

SPEAKER_02 31:12

I don't mind it.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Good, because here's your next clue.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Great.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

This movie co-stars an actor from another not so great movie that we covered in our first season, the remake of Thirteen Ghosts. So Matt Lillard is in the movie that we're talking about. He plays the bad guy in the 33% Rotten Tomatoes movie that we watched this season in the F's.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

I'ma just take a bite.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Now I will say, for your next clue, as far as Matt Lillard goes, you don't think he's the bad guy at first. You think these giant chucky cheesy wannabe mechanical animal mascots are the bad guys. You think they're just gonna be the bad guys.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Five nights at Freddy's.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Take this one. I'm gonna have to like.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Five Nights at Freddy's 33% Rotten Tomatoes. Which movie do you think is better? This or Five Nights at Freddy's? Tough question.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Five Nights at Freddy's because there's this thing called gore in it.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

A little bit. It's not that much. So if you had to watch one of these movies over again, it would be Five Nights at Freddy's? So what have I told you in a month we have to watch either Five Nights at Freddy's or Friday the 13th set over again? I I agree. I think it's a better 33% Rotten Tomatoes movie. Uh you want to go one higher or one lower than this movie on Rotten Tomatoes?

SPEAKER_02 32:33

I'm going lower.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

Alright. That 32%, The Water Boy with Adam Sandler.

unknown 32:39

Wait, no!

SPEAKER_01 32:40

I love it. And The Expendables 3. Do you know anything about the Expendables? It's just a bunch of old people who used to be action heroes in movies in like the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

That's funny. It is funny. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

It's a good idea for a movie, right? So you got Sylvester Stallone, Schwarzenegger, I think maybe Carl Weathers is in one of them. I forget who the other people are. One higher than this movie, 34% click. Another Adam Sandler movie. He does not make well-reviewed movies. Actually, he's done a bunch of movies.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

I love The Water Boy, though.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Waterboy is better than Click. The Thing, the prequel, it came out in 2011. They do what happened at the Norwegian base before the it got into the dog and ran to the American camp. Wait, why not? The whole story about that.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

I want to I want to watch the video. You should see that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

I have n I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

I want to watch the thing.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

And another horror movie uh called Silent Hill, based on a video game, 34%. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Oh, wait, I know that.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

You know the video game or the movie?

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Movie.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

It's supposed to be very bad.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Oh. Speaking of very bad, please rate this movie. Give me your scarometer on this Friday 7th, Father.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Alright, pherometer.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

I gave it a one.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Yeah, I gave it a two. And only because of that one semi-effective sequence where they revisit Barnkill. We talked about. It's hard to get scared. And maybe part five. It's a little hard to get scared for such non-dimensional characters.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

So we're pretty much in agreement on that. Uh what about the phonometer? This is less fun than I remembered it being, like I said. Yeah, I gave it a 2.5. And the PG snorgor makes it even less fun.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

It's not fun when you don't care for the characters.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Yeah, absolutely. It's too bad because the idea could have led to something intriguing.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

It's bad when you're just being like, I really hope that this character dies next.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Well, that's what these movies become. You're you're rooting for Jason instead of rooting for the characters, and that's that puts the brain into a weird place. How about the impactometer? So this did okay box office, but it kind of continued the series downward spiral after it picked up some momentum and some goodwill from part six.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Um 0.5.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Zero point five.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

Zero point.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

I'm gonna give it a three also, which is what I gave her for the phenomena. Um only because people do talk about this movie just because of how silly it is and just because of the concept. But I think people talk about it in a sort of wistful way, like they were kind of really hoping this could have been something else.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

What people are you talking to?

SPEAKER_01 35:24

I talk to people. I I I know uh people other than you. You're not my only friend.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Yeah, yeah. Be honest.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

My best friend though. And then, like you mentioned, they send this continues a downward spiral for the series because then they send him to space, they send him to Manhattan. I don't know. I d I haven't seen either one of those movies. I'm saving them for you, my best friend.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

And next time on DDSH, check out that website. I'm kind of stuck in this news reporter voice.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Um Did we do everything we're supposed to do? We didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Play Fire Freeze.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

We did guess that's where I mean. I guess we're done. So what's coming up next?

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Next time on this very show, Daddy Dog or Scary Hard, DDSH DD Schba, the greatest armor.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

We're not renewing the website.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

What?

SPEAKER_01 36:12

It's too much trouble. No one ever goes to it.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Disappointed. The fans are disappointed.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

No, they're not, because they never go to the website.

SPEAKER_02 36:20

Okay. Well, so next time we flash back again into the nineteen eighties, which flashes back to the nineteen thirties with this super fun movie and Academy Award winner.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

No. Really? For what?

SPEAKER_02 36:31

Oh no, you said that.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

No, it's an an Oscar nominated actor stars in it, but he wasn't nominated for the movie we're gonna be covering.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Oh. Still, though, pretty good. But yeah, we'll be making it up to everyone after having to get through the acting on Friday the 13th, part seven.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yes. So, our next movie. And then Frogs, I swear.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Shh, don't spoil it down the line.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

It's just that I've been waiting forever.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Well, good things come to those who wait.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

I think the quick rabbit said that. While he was waiting to have his chocolate milk mixed. Maybe that was the commercial. Giving it to the community. Almost there.