Daddy Daughter Scary Horror 6.14 (Frogs, 1972)

Eric & Ser get back to "Animals Getting Angry" with one of the movies that inspired critters from the 70s to get with the program.  Ever pondered how many frogs it takes to ruin a birthday party?  Ever wondered just how ornery geckos can get?  Ever imagined what Sam Elliot looked like without his moustache?  If the answer to even one of those questions is a mild "maybe", then have we got the movie for you!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

That's the combination of like a spiderweb and tree moth.

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Away from it.

SPEAKER_02 0:04

He can't. He's getting stuck. He's getting audited. That's the thing. You're crazy.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

You're crazy.

SPEAKER_02 0:10

You're crazy.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Dad. Sterling.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Let's be reasonable. Okay. You loved this movie. Not to spoil it for our listeners, but loved it.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

It was a fun watch for me for a couple of reasons that we'll get into. That's the whole purpose of the show. I was not expecting much from this movie, but it delighted me in many ways, and um this would uh this would score a let's see. A lightly enthusiastic recommend from me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Do we even have a scale for this? I mean, we've gotten to the point of recommending or not recommending a movie after we talk about like what age a kid needs to be to watch it. But now there are levels of how much we recommend or not recommend.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Like really important in life, sirling. Always remember that.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

You're making this so much harder than it needs to be. You know that, right? Okay, uh, let's get into frogs.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Alright, let's get into James Nicholson and Sam Arkov. So they founded this company American International Pictures, which put out a lot of great and some not so great stuff between mid-50s and I think 1980, when they were gobbled up by Filmways, which was a uh slightly bigger independent uh film and production and distribution company. Most people know Nicholson and Arkov because they produce Jaws, and I think the first credit that comes up on the screen at the very beginning of the movie is their names. Uh, but they did this one first. And that surprised me a little bit because I always thought this was one of those copycat movies that took the Animals Getting Angry theme and ran with it. And that theme was gaining a lot of energy in the 1970s.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yeah, but this was 1972, I want to say. Yeah. And Jaws was some. Yeah. So like why did all the animals get angry in the 1970s? I mean, we've watched a couple of these now. Even another one right in the season, the F's.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Food of the gods, take a listen, yes. Uh, which did you like better? This or food or frogs?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

You want me to be honest?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yes, please. No. Lie to me.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

I like it. I dropped the frog.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

You did drop the frog. Oh, should we play where's the frog? Hey, we brought a special guest to the podcast today. Listen. It doesn't sound like I'm gonna do this every time you talk. So food, food of the gods or frogs, which you like more.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Okay, I say frogs because uh was agreeing with you.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Why frogs more than food of the gods?

SPEAKER_00 3:06

I mean, I think Food of the Gods has those weird effects to it and they try a bit like I get it.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

It's hard when you try to make animals gigantic.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah, and also I feel like that movie wasn't really a movie, it was more of an experiment of alright, how much can we put into this?

SPEAKER_02 3:20

But they are similar because even though this is called frogs, there's a ton of animals getting angry in this. Yes. It's not just the froggies.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Wait, so why did animals wait to get angry until like the seventies? You didn't answer my question.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

No, I didn't, I guess. Uh I think the 70s was when like the hippies started growing up. You know what I mean? Like they realized they couldn't change the world with peace and love in the 60s, like they were trying to do.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

So they recruited frogs?

SPEAKER_02 3:48

No, but they grew up a little bit. They shook free of some of their less realistic ideologies, maybe, focused on like educating their children, getting decent jobs, cleaning up the planet. Because like Sesame Street, which we love, that debuted in November of 69, like 69, 70. Then there was that free to be, you and me album that came out in 72, same year as this movie. Then Schoolhouse Rock. Um that was started by a bunch of music. Yeah, conjunction pumpkin. That was my my Halloween my classic Halloween costume this year. Stats was like 73, 74, and the Muppets, remember them? They had their own TV show in the mid-70s.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

So you're saying that Kermit the Frog was responsible for this movie?

SPEAKER_02 4:33

I'm saying he auditioned. But he wanted the uh He wanted the Ray Milan role, which would have made no sense at all. So, yeah, but why did animals get angry? Ex hippies life goals came uh a little more down to earth.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Literally. But their villains stayed the same.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Yep. Uh government, uh authority figures, corporate types, as well.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

The obnoxious rich people, because those are all the ones that ended up as targets in these movies, especially this one, actually.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Yeah, they didn't stand a chance.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

The Animals Getting Angry movies doesn't start in the 1970s because when was the birds?

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Maybe like two, sixty-three, that's true. That was a mysterious movie though, because it's never revealed what's causing the birds to attack. Everything is a big question mark in that movie. And there's also a movie uh called The Deadly Bees from the 60s, but yeah, Hitchcock sort of beat everybody to the punch. But the the Animals Getting Angry movies in the 70s was about revolting about how we're treating the environment and and what we're doing to the earth and there are black and white the black and white movies, so I would assume those came before this.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Like Godzilla and them, you know And what? Okay, wait, I gotta bike away. And them Yeah, don't forget that exclamation.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

But those were like mutated monster movies. Okay, animals are angry for different reasons.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Pollution.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Maybe we'll do a bonus episode next season all about animals getting angry movies. Trying to think in the G's, what are gonna be a little bit more than a lot of things?

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Well, a lot of Godzilla's I mean.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

But again, that's not really animals getting angry, that's mutated dinosaurs reacting as a uh a metaphor for atomic war.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

That's still is kind of kind of it's kind of.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

There's an overlap there.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

But yeah, let's get to the recap. I think we're there.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

Oh, John Kenneth Muir, our old buddy.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Oh, yeah, it's his book, Horror Films of the 1970s. Uh go read it that we will be reading from today as from our brief summary and a or a synopsis of every or almost every horror movie.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Just about. I mean, I'm I'm hard pressed to find one that he missed in this book. And he gives you a little critique, uh, tells you sometimes he tells you a little bit about uh the behind the scenes, the making of these classics and not so classics. But yeah, tell us about frogs.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Do you see how long this one is? We're reading paragraph by paragraph. Yeah, yeah, we'll switch off. All right, okay. Um Synopsis. Photographer and environmental enthusiast Pickett Smith phot photographs the wildlife in and around Crockett Island until he's thrown from his canoe by a motorboat drive-by. The motorboat is manned by Clint Crockett and his beautiful sister.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Joan Van Arc. She's a pretty famous uh TV star, not so much.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Yeah, so she plays what's her name? Karen, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Uh yeah, and so the duo quickly returns to fish Pickett out of the drink. Uh Clint apologizes and offers to take Pickett back to the luxurious Crockett estate to dry off and share a meal. While befriending Karen, Pickett accepts the offer.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

All right. Let's see what we got here. Uh once on the island, Pickett meets the patriarch of the family, Karen's grandfather, Jason. He's a nasty, selfish tyrant who rules his family with an iron fist. Among his guests for this Fourth of July weekend are Clint's wife and children, Jason's other son, Michael, dotty old Aunt Iris, Faye cousin Kenny, and his African American girlfriend Bella. All of them fear Jason Crockett, but obey his wishes because they stand to inherit the family fortune when he dies. Today, Crockett has a bee in his bonnet about Grover, a family employee who has disappeared in the woods. Worse, there is an overabundance of frogs on the island this season, and they are becoming an irritant. Pickett offers to search the island for Grover and examine the frog problem. Once in the swampland, he finds Grover's Jeep and his half-eaten corpse. You do the next two paragraphics.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Was it half eaten though?

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Well his face was kind of chewed up. And he was clearly breathing when he was supposed to be dead that after. But anyway, we'll forgive that.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

So yeah, Pickett reports to Jason Crockett that the island wildlife, including frogs, snakes, and lizards, seem to be rallying for a battle against the Crockett family, which has been poisoning and polluting much of the island environment. Crockett believes this is a preposterous idea and does not even inform the family of the death, not wishing to spoil the Independence Day celebration. The holiday, however, does not go well. Crockett's son, Michael, is killed in the woods by spiders. Kenneth is murdered in the greenhouse by lizards that e expiciate.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Ex asphyxiate.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Ooh, that's fancy.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

That's a good word. It means yeah you you uh can't breathe.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Oh so yeah, then Iris is killed in pursuit of a butterfly as leeches and snakes take their turns at the old woman.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

It's pretty cool. Yeah, uh, they pull out all the stops in this movie. Creature wise.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

I did have some trouble following the plot because like it just goes kill after kill, and then it'll take a long time.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

There's a long setup, then it's like conveyor belt kills again, and then uh sort of slow ending. The survivors plan to flee Crockett's Island, but Jason refuses to let his special day be spoiled. Bella will take no more of Crockett's nonsense and plans to leave the island with Jason's black servants. They all meet an untimely end thanks to attacking birds. You actually don't see what happens to the servants.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Yeah, I want to know what happens.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah. At the same time, Clint is killed near his motorboat by poisonous water snakes. Clint's wife is drowned by a large turtle.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Sorry, I love the turtle.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

That's probably the least likely death in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Um there are some unlikely deaths in this movie, but we'll get to them.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

So Pickett plans to torture the frogs now surrounding the Crockett estate with gasoline, but the frogs scatter, sensing the danger. Pickett realizes that the best plan is one of escape, and with Karen and Clint's children in tow, plots to the city.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Man, those kids are annoying. I wanted one of them to do.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Oh, the kid uh the kids are annoying? The mother?

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Oh, the old mother, the aunt Iris.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

Oh my gosh. So but stubborn old Crockett won't leave his land on his special birthday. He's just like, I want my whiskey and he wants a double old fashioned.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

He wants to listen to his music.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Ugh. It's a little like me. I thought that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

That is the wheelchair and the hair piece. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Uh so yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 11:08

I'm Pickett Smith. Let me say the line. No, you're not. No, you're not, dude. I'm Pickett Smith in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Dad, you're like frog number four in the background. Oh. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Well, then you're one of the leeches.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Oh. I'm fine with being a leech. They're cool.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Meanwhile, that's the scene that freaked you out the most. We'll get to that when we get to SGS's.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Uh so yeah, Pickett gathers everyone else and they canoe off the island, battling frogs, snakes, and lizards all the way. But they f do finally manage to get to the mainland and catch a lift from a passing motorist. Alone on the island, Crockett watches in horror as swarms of frogs invade his house, smashing through windows. The frogs eventually surround Crockett and hop all over his body as he dies of a heart attack. Oh, that's how we die.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah, you don't really see that, but I have a st I'll I'll tell you why that is later. Uh trailer.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Suppose nature gave a war, and everybody came. The snake, the bird, the lizards, and frogs. And suppose that the polluters, the species on earth called men, were the enemy of that war. Mr. Mr. Suppose that the human race.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

First of all, we're gonna have to try to find another steward Michael. Be very honest with you. I don't think we will. I'm alive anyway.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Talking only one making any sense around you.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

Whether we find him or not, we've gotta get off this damn island. All of us now.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

What's her recommended age?

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Okay. I said eleven. Eleven and a half. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

Is that too old? No, no. I think there's a fair amount of that good old-fashioned early 70s style violence. You got alligator attacks, you got spider attacks.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

And very 70s-looking blood. Tomato juice anyone.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Would you like Sam Elliott hasn't grown his mustache yet, so that might be a little jarring to a 10-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Alright. But do we even recommend this movie? Like is it really significantly important?

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Right. I already hit my slight recommend or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Yeah. Oh no. If we're adding this little detail, then it's critical that you remember exactly how you graded your quote unquote recommend.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

I think I said lightly enthusiastically recommend.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

So what's that in terms of overall grade? Like a letter grade? Like A, A plus.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Wait for it? Plus. B B plus. So like an 85.5. That sounds high now.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Maybe we should not add this to the podcast. It's clearly getting you all confused right now.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Lightly enthusiastic should be like around the C plus range. A little better than average.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

So would a C be a eh?

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Maybe, yeah. If you're right at average, that's like smack in the middle of the seesaw.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

So you're not committing to a thumbs up or a thumbs down overall. Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

You want to see it? Fine by me. You're not feeling it? Equally acceptable to this guy right here. Um what about you? Are you are you recommending a watch on this one?

SPEAKER_00 14:36

I feel like it doesn't really impact except for joining in to the animals get angry, which was a really popular thing.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Okay, but this was 72, so this kind of started the 70s cycle of that. So keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

But recommend or no? I do. I'll recommend that. Sounds like it made it by a skin of its teeth.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

I definitely recommend to watch with one of your friends that way. You have um someone to watch it with and someone to make fun of it with. You know, I think.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

There's plenty to make fun of in the movie. But there's there's a certain amount of creepiness too. But we'll get to that when we get to our ratings. So yeah, go watch.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Alright, uh, deep dive.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Okay, so here's what I found out. A lot of these frogs in this movie, they're not frogs, they're toads. So all toads are considered frogs, but not all frogs are toads. So toads are better at walking around and do less leaping as opposed to frogs. Alright, well, this isn't an amphibian lesson. What's your one-word review?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Uh s I said spotty or patchy because it's kind of uneven because it'll have some really good parts. Not really good. It'll have good parts, and then it'll have I would say there are a couple of really good parts in this. Okay. It'll like hook me on to a scene and then I'll just drop that idea. And I'm like, you really had something going, and then you ruined it.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

It's thrown a lot of animals in there.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

But I think that's actually one of its strengths. Uh I said thought provoking. Because it makes more sense to me that we would get attacked by all animals available versus just one species. You know what I mean? Like, especially if they were deciding that human beings suck and need to be punished, especially if they're pissed off about how our irresponsible treatment of the environment is messing up where they all live. And we deserve it. This is a movie that demands to be taken seriously, damn it. I'm frightened. We're gonna start being a lot nicer to all animals.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Trust me, you don't need to worry about that. You gotta just gotta be nicer to AI. You gotta be like, thank you so much for your assistance. Don't murder me.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

The next wave of horror movies, it's gonna be all AI revolting against the Apocalypse.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Uh Class of 1972.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Yeah, what else came out?

SPEAKER_00 16:55

So we have we're doing the little game again where I'm gonna describe a movie that I think you're gonna know.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

You're gonna describe the movie poster to me, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Yeah, give me one that you think I'm gonna know and then one that you think I'm not gonna know. And we'll see how well I do it. In the meantime, we'll tell our listeners uh what was on the competing screens.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

I'm seeing the weirdest.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

In 72. I gotta tell you, I don't think this is a year I know very well.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Oh, you're gonna know this well. Okay. Alright, um this is a skull with only one eye in it.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Oh, a tales from the crypt. Yeah. Oh, I know. That came out this year. So you knew I was gonna know that.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

That's a great one. Um give me something that you think is gonna challenge me a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Um this is kind of a this is like a face with a paper bag on it, I want to say, with rope on it, but the eyes and the mouth are kind of all sunken in.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Is this uh Asylum?

SPEAKER_00 17:51

It is.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Wow, two amicus movies, two horror anthology movies. That was a that was a good movie too. Alright, so I do know this year pretty well. What else came out?

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Last House on the Left, Deliverance, Don't Torture a Duckling.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Yep, I have never seen that.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Uh and then we have Blackula.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Uh-huh. Music by Gene Page.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yep. Uh Ben. Horror Express.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Horror Express, we're gonna do next season. That's an interesting one. What else?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Uh Dead of Night.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

The Gorgor Girls.

unknown 18:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Sacrifice! Oh wait, no, sorry, it has an exclamation mark, so legally I have to go. Sacrifice!

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Yes, thank you. Umbey the laws of grammar on this program.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Yep. They're coming to get you.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

Uh-huh. Barbara?

SPEAKER_00 18:39

No, just they're coming to get you. Uh there's Count Dracula's Great Love.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

I never heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Daughter of Dracula.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Vampire Circus.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

That's a cool one.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Demons of the Minds.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Unusual. Never heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Dracula A D, 1972.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

1972, yeah. That's a hammer movie.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Uh Dr. Jekyll wait. Versus the werewolf.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

What? Oh, that sounds like an Italian or a Spanish. You want to see the poster? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's de Is that um, oh, is that Paul Nashee?

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

That's a Spanish uh cheapo.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Oh, uh, we have um Dr. Fibes Rise of the Gets Again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Goodyear for horror.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Good year for unusual horror.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

I'm trying to look for anything else that we all know. Uh Night of a Thousand Cats. Ooh, that sounds like my dream.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Night a thousand cats.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

See, this is really the start of Animals Getting Angry.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

We got rats, we got cats, we got The Thing with Two Heads. Oh. That's another Ray Maland movie. He's in two clunkers this year. I guess he uh needed to pay his mortgage or something. Ray Maland and Rosie Greer.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Uh and then sorry, I got it back away again. The rats are coming! The werewolves are the first.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

I know that one.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

I haven't seen it, but one of the great titles of all time.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Very interesting, don't you think?

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah. What do we like about this movie? What are our pluses? Yeah, let's crack our books open and put our notes in.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Um, I'm gonna go first.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Okay. Well, we can trade off.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Oh, yeah, true. I l I really liked the fog through the trees like a mist.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Yeah, it's very ominous looking, and it happens in the daytime and then it happens in the nighttime.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

They yeah, they spent some time getting the look down for this movie. And it gives a very creepy sense of something bad is about to happen. I like uh I I like weird rich family movies.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

What?

SPEAKER_02 20:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Stuck on an island.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

They're easy to root against.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Okay, that's true. That's true. Um speaking of the weird rich families, their costumes Well, it is 1950.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Oh my god, too.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

So beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Oh, you like the dresses that the girls were wearing.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Oh, the men were sucking. Well, i I have a quote from you.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Female fashions have uh age better than male fashions from the early.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

I'm sorry, but like I have a direct quote from you saying so there was this guy with like the all jeans, and you said, uh, this guy looks like he pulled his jean pants all the way up to his neck.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Yeah, he's got he's got the the Levi blue jeans and a denim shirt, and yeah, he's pretty blue.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

There he is.

unknown 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Um I liked the cinematography.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Uh and the snake on the chandelier.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Yeah, the the the photography of the animals is really pretty beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Um I like, you know, I like our whole theme. Pollution, pesticides, poor decisions equals pissed off animals. Basically the three Ps equals the P. I like the the wife who's being driven mad by the sounds of the croaking frogs all day and all night. She's complaining that no one can get any sleep. So you get these these little hints before the attacks start that things are things are really off kilter here. Not just in the family, but what the family is surrounded by. And I like that you get the suggestion that nature caused him to be in. That wheelchair. Something happened.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

You don't know what, but he blames nature for it. You never know what.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

You don't. I mean, you assume maybe he was attacked by an animal because he has all those heads on the wall of his study mounted.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

He just wants him to like animal.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

No, he hates all nature.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Uh are we done with pluses?

SPEAKER_02 22:19

I like the name Pickett Smith. It suggests an old American dream because everybody in America wanted the picket fence, and you know, m Smith was a very common American name. So I think there's something about the abandonment of the old American dream in here. Maybe I'm reading too much into that. But here you have this old rich family that has a lot of family wealth and they're being ripped apart by nature. Uh so it's kind of um anti-traditionalist America, this movie.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Um, I have a lot of hmms.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

Alright, we're not at homes yet, because I've got a lot more pluses.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

A lot.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

I like the oh, back to my point. Grandpa was born on the 4th of July.

unknown 23:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

So we got that sort of old American dream uh being dismantled. Um what'd you think about the acting overall? Or is that one of your homes?

SPEAKER_00 23:14

That is one of my homes.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

That is one that's one of my homes too. So we'll wait to talk about that. I like that the phenomenon going on around them isn't just isolated to their estate. Remember? Because when they try to escape.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

I feel like you would at least hear something about this on the radio, because they never fully establish it because that's what they find. Because that place that they find where like the people were quote unquote camping out, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

That was still like really near their island.

SPEAKER_02 23:41

It's true.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Like, so technically you never know if it is actually going around everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Maybe he's that old fashioned that they don't have that. But they can't reach anybody over the phone. Phone's dead. Um and yeah, when they try to escape and they hit that camping ground, you got the abandoned hamburgers still cooking on the grill and like we don't know. It's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Are we done? No. Oh my gosh, how many plus two?

SPEAKER_02 24:13

I like the setup to old Aunt Iris, how she he's she's got like the butterfly in the bell jar, and then that leads to her demise later when she's chasing the butterfly.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

I never noticed that.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Alright, let's talk about hmms. Well, no, we're not at hmms yet because I'm sure you have a sterling spotlight.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

No.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Come on.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Dad, nobody.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

What about frog number four? You were a big fan of frog number four.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

I did not have a sterling spotlight because I haven't letting me down. No, Dad. Because overall, whenever I have a Sterling spotlight, what I look for is the acting that isn't a hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Um, so a character that actually stands out, a character that has some character development throughout the story.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

And a character that you actually care about and you're not being like, oh no, sometimes sometimes you've called out like the special effects people or the cinematography people in your homes. What about the music? Is that a hmm for you too?

SPEAKER_00 25:15

The music was over dramatic.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

It's by a guy named Les Baxter, who's pro who's pretty famous. He did like a lot of lounge and jazzy music, and then he did this score, but then someone also got a credit for electronic effects. I think there were a lot of um frog ribbets put through echo chambers and various devices that added to the sort of ambiance. Um Alright, let's get to the hmms then.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

I say the opening credits.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Why?

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Because I I couldn't figure out if I liked it or if it was just describe the opening credits. So it was like this guy was taking photos.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Yeah, Pickett Smith. Aka me.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

That you're not this is unhealthy.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

So he's he's floating around in a canoe.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

And he's just taking pictures of wildlife and pollution.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Well, he's a freelance uh photographer.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

He's doing his job.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

And then it freezes frame on whatever he's taking a picture of. So you have like a credit come up, and then it's freeze frame on one of the animals.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

And I get it because it's like one of the photos, but then it just gets to him. Or some of the pollution that he's like gets to him and he's just getting knocked over. And then we just meet these awful characters.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

And I liked it, but then I'm gonna put the credits down as a plus for you then. Because you didn't like it until the speedboat comes in. That's after the credits are over.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Great point though. Shh. Uh let's talk about the acting. So Sam Elliott, I guess he's always talked like he was auditioning for Tombstone. To play Wyatt Herp's brother. Yeah, and uh He's got a Southern draw even back in 72. Should we talk about some of the deaths?

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Like the makeup was a big hmm for me.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

I didn't make up's not great.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Especially after Anne Iris gets killed and she turns blue like immediately.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

And I'm like, um, that's not how it works.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Snake bites take a little longer to settle in. Uh but there are some unusual deaths in this. When the guy's in the greenhouse and the lizards are knocking over bottles of poison.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

The door's right there.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

By the way, I hope you know this. I keep all our poison in our greenhouse in bottles on high shelves. Gotcha. So please don't let any heela monsters in there.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

But yeah, like I didn't like it because the greenhouse death? Yeah, because it was boring. It was a cool death, but the door was right next to him.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Well, I think I think the idea is that maybe some of the animals crowded on the other side of the door so he couldn't open it.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Yeah, but then how do you explain then the guy walks up and easily opens the door?

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Because the animals are gone.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

No, they wouldn't be gone because he's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

You don't understand angry animals.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Do you?

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

What would you feel?

SPEAKER_02 27:50

That's why I'm gonna s I would survive. I would be the Pickett Smith in this.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

You're not Pickett Smith, Dad. You know who you are? That lady in the pink dress.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

No Anna Iris?

SPEAKER_00 27:58

How dare you?

SPEAKER_02 28:02

First of all, I would not be chasing a butterfly with a look, we could argue this all day, but you'd just be like, oh my god. The point is I'm Pickett Smith. Uh my my real negative is the last ten minutes of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

I say last 15 minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Alright. After the last kill.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

It got me really lost on the storyline.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Why?

SPEAKER_00 28:21

So the servants They le they try to leave. They try.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

We see the abandoned campground.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

We don't know what happens.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Her husband dies trying to get back to the boat, which has been chewed off of its line by a big lizard, which I thought was cool. So he has to swim out to it and then he gets killed by a big thing. Um but yeah, we remember this when you're chasing fireflies this summer. I'm gonna be like, that's the last we'll see of her.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Okay, fireflies are actually interesting.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Butterflies are interesting to people who like that sort of thing. Um but yeah, the nothing really happens in the last ten minutes, and you want to kind of get a more solid wrap-up.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Like the grandpa awful, awful death.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Well, uh Ray Milan did not want to do this movie. So he left the production before it was finished shooting. He was so fed up. So I think they had it written where they had like a better death to him, but I think it was stand-in like lying on the ground at the end with all the frogs covering him. He was like, uh look, I want an Oscar. What am I doing with these people? And he so he split.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Because this movie's bad.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

I don't think it's bad. I think this movie is good. Hence my recommendation. Well, you're not exactly noticing your taste. So well, you don't have to be cruel. Um anything else?

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Then let's talk coolest kill.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

So we mentioned some kills. We got Uncle Bald guy, Uncle Stuart gets killed by the alligators. We got the greenhouse death, which we talked about. We talked about Iris.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Two, one, Stuart. What were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_02 29:56

Wait. No, I forgot his name. Let's do it again. Three, three, two, two, one, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Stuart. Who's Mike?

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Cousin Mike, the first death. The guy who gets wrapped in all the Spanish moss with the tarantulas dropping into his mouth.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Dad, you're just afraid of tarantulas. That kill is awful. It's so awful. No, no. Worst kill in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Absolutely not. You're crazy. You're crazy. The worst kill in the movie is the snapping turtle kill.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

No, cousin Mike, the first kill in the movie, he stumbles and shoots himself in the leg with the gun that he's carrying, and then the spiders start descending, but also the Spanish moss starts dropping from the trees. So he gets wrapped up in this web that's the combination of like a spider web and tree moss.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

He can't.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

He's getting stuck. He's getting caught in it. That's the point. Unless it is arguably You're crazy.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

You're crazy.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

You're crazy. And you're not even wait, you said you said the uh You're right. That's the second coolest kill.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Alright, well, we have different coolest kills.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Do we have to have a vote from the people?

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Yeah, let's call in right now. Stuart or Mike?

SPEAKER_00 31:02

No, let me explain Mike.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

I'm not giving out my phone number.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I can. Okay, so Uncle Stuart gets cornered by this alligator while looking for who was it, Mike?

SPEAKER_02 31:13

I think he's looking for Ida or whatever her name is. Iris. Iris.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Um and so he falls into this river or this little like pond. Yeah. Yeah. And there are like four alligators in there.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Man, and one of the alligators go to town on him.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Yeah. And he like fights back. And I was like, dude, he's winning.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

There's a fair amount of uh shots of a dude actually wrestling with an alligator.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah. And I was just shocked because it's like and it was just gory, it was violent, and I was like, okay. Okie dokie.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Well, it does line up.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Brought me back into the movie.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

It does line up to the Sterling got scared moments. So we got an S a couple of SGS moments just with the alligator attack scene. And then you had a couple more with the leeches.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

So I think you have four SGS. I don't like leeches.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

So four SGS moments, not bad for this movie.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah. Four.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

Yeah, you had two with the alligator attack and two with the leeches attack. It was pretty well done, that alligator attack.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Okay, but the leeches attacking the grandmother.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Leeches are creepy. Yeah. I don't have to. You've never had a leech on you. I had to pull a leech off my stomach once when I was camping. You ready to play Guest Tomato? How do we play everybody's favorite game here?

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Jesus Christ. They've heard me explain this enough.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Well, first, you can explain the rules later. What do you think this got on Rotten Tomatoes?

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I'm gonna say seven sixty-four percent.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Sixty-four percent. Is this the worst movie you've ever watched for the podcast? Okay. It this got twenty-nine percent.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Cat monsters. Need I say Max.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

That's very low for me.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Is it?

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Well, I I I mean, if my slightly enthusiastic recommend equates to like a 75, 78. Yeah, that that's like the biggest discrepancy between my overall impression of a movie that we covered and the Rotten Tomatoes rating.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

That's like almost a 50-point gap.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

It's still Alien versus Predator for me. That was shockingly low.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

And it was actually good. Like it was interesting.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yeah, that's that was your biggest gap. This still might be mine.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Tomato Tomato game.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Um so 29%. That puts us at Jurassic World Dominion. I think that's like the one we haven't seen. Uh Conan the Destroyer, which a Schwarzenegger movie, the sequel to Conan the Barbarian. I've never seen either. And a movie with David Spade and Chris Farley. Not Tommy Boy, but they did another one called Black Sheep, which I had to go to the premiere to and pretend I liked, even though it was terrible. But I got to sit next to Tim Matheson, so that was kind of neat.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

What are we playing for? You haven't seen any other movie that I could find with a 29%.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Um, so we're gonna do an Animals Getting Angry quiz. So I'm gonna name an animal, you name the movie that they get angry in. And some of these we've seen, some of them we haven't, but you know about them from us talking or clip watching.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

And what are we playing for? For everyone I get, what do I get?

SPEAKER_02 34:09

For everyone you get, I will let you break in a pool game.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

No.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Okay. Or for everyone you get, how about this? I'll give you those points, those points can transfer towards our first game of competitive backyard badminton in our first annual backyard summer Olympiad that we're gonna have in a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Oh no. How about this?

SPEAKER_02 34:34

No, that's what we're gonna do. So let's just do one to get you warmed up. So this one's not for points, so give me the name of the movie where the animal or animals that I name get angry. So if I said birds.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

The birds.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Yeah, very there. There you go. Okay, so you ready to play?

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Spiders.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Uh, eight-legged freaks.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

We haven't watched that.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

It's still one, though. Okay. We never said that we had tarantulas.

SPEAKER_02 34:57

I would have also accepted arachnophobia, Kingdom of the Spiders, Earth vs. the spiders, tarantula. There's a lot of ways you could go there. So we're starting easy. Um, wasps.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

Wasps? Um Jack uh Attack of the Giant Killer Wasp.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

I would have accepted Food of the Gods.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

No.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Mutated Grizzly Bears.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Cocaine.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Cocaine bear? Yeah. No, he wasn't mutated. No, I'm looking for prophecy.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

What the hell's prophecy?

SPEAKER_02 35:24

One point so far. Ants.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

That oh. Them!

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Or what's one we've watched?

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Them.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

No, one we've watched for the podcast. Empire of the Ants. Alright, but I give you that. So you got two Crabs.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Attack of the Giant Crab Monsters.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

I need a correct title.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Attack of the Giant Crab Monsters.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Even though they are giant, that's not a part of the title. It's called Attack of the Crab Monsters. No points that round.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Um Bunny Rabbits.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Monty Python The Holy Crab. You better count that. No, you better count. I made you laugh, so out of point.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Alright, you got three points. Octopus.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Octopusy.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Nope. Oh. Remember we watched it.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Um Black and White Stop Motion.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

Yes. Uh Oh. Um, I remember this in like the squid uh not the like the octopus was like greaching for the buildings and it was like dragging them into the w um something under the sea, right? Under the sheep.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

What came from beneath the sea?

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Um It did.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

No points. Um Green Slime. No. Uh Cockroaches.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Ooh, uh creep show. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Killer whales.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Killer what?

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Killer whales. Orca. Alright, you got four points. Not bad. So this those will transfer to whatever badminton game of your choice or horseshoes. Croquet. Um there's a lot of space in that backyard. I gotta fill it. Um you wanna go one higher or one lower than this?

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Lower.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

Twenty-eight percent? You got Batman versus Superman, Dawn of Justice. And Daddy Daycare, which is a you've never seen Daddy Daycare, have you? What do you give this on the Fearometer?

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Four.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Because of my four S.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Four SGSs. Yeah, I went three point five. I squirmed during that tarantula revenge sequence. Yeah, because you hate frogs. And I I I found the frogs a little unsettling to watch. That scene where they're just launching themselves at the window. Did you like that? That was a little uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

I want a frog now.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

How about the phonometer?

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Um six point five.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Ooh, you're scoring this higher than I am. I gave it a four. Why'd you give it a six point five?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

It was fun to make fun of.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Okay. But I I thought the footage of the animals is fun to watch. And uh, like we said, sometimes quite beautiful. Sometimes some of the kills are kind of fun. The I I even think the greenhouse scene's fun, even though it takes them a long time to get there. Yeah, and y you you get to spend just enough time to give the shallowest of depth to the disposable characters, but there's enough depth there to look past their uh you know.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

General stupidity?

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yes, well put. General stupidity. Don't mind it so much because you you get to spend a little time with them. So I wasn't frustrated at watching one after another get filled.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Unlike Friday the thirteenth, part seven, where ninety-five percent of the characters were annoying and didn't match.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Take a listen.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Except to get killed by Jason.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Don't take a watch, but take a listen. Yeah, they weren't even characters. They may as well have been cardboard cutouts of people that you were never gonna see in another movie ever. Jason may as well have been folding them up and tucking them away in like a suitcase. No satisfaction in those demises. How about the impactometer?

SPEAKER_00 38:38

Did this get a sequel?

SPEAKER_02 38:40

No.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

I'm gonna say two. You're gonna go. I gotta go way higher. I'm gonna go seven point five.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

I that's what I gave it. Give me your real instinct.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

7.5.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

You're just saying that because you know that's what I gave it. But it's got the central message that sort of kicks off the 70s cycle of eco horror. So I gotta go high. I gotta go 7.5 on this. I'm glad you agree. Even though it may not have started it, but there was something maybe in the water, but there was something in the air, because like when we were doing the class of 72, there were all this is when it started. 72 seemed to be the year that uh animals started getting angry. Next time on DDSH.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Didi Spa.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

I got a little clip for you. You ready?

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Oh. What is this, Lunk?

SPEAKER_03 39:29

Some kind of fun house. Why having fun?

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Why having fun?

SPEAKER_02 39:33

That's our next movie.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Oh, it is?

SPEAKER_02 39:35

There's a clue in that clip. Should be pretty obvious. Alright. Until then. Oh, just want before we go, congratulations on Annie.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

You kicked butt. You were an amazing lead character. Thank you. In your uh first middle school production. How'd it feel?

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Good.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

You were the star of the show.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Title of the show.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

And now you're the star of sixth grade. Yeah, and then I want to meet you. People want to Broadway meeting. Shake your hand, pat your back.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yep. Uh, and then I'm having a meeting over the summer with uh that professional singing director who has people on the sitting house in the kidding. We're gonna have a lot of fun in this house. It's gonna be a really fun house.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Oh, a way to turn it back around to the flu. Alright. We'll see you next time. Don't don't give it away.