Never Too Festive: Parenting with More Joy & Less Mom Guilt

17. Finding Calm in Chaos: The Neuroscience of Disregulation in Kids with Jessica Hausknecht

• Elizabeth Hambleton

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Ready to transform your parenting journey? Meet Jessica Hausknecht, the Zen Mama, who reveals her powerful story of transitioning from a high-paced marketing career to a dedicated parenting coach and yoga expert. Jessica's candid narrative of juggling three young children while seeking personal balance through yoga offers invaluable insights into stress relief and emotional well-being for parents.

Explore the complexities of modern-day parenting with us as we tackle the critical need for empathy and resilience. Jessica delves into the adverse impacts of traditional disciplinary methods and underscores the importance of updated nervous system science for both parents and educators. Through personal anecdotes and expert advice, we highlight how emotional regulation can revolutionize how we support our children's mental and emotional health.

We also venture into the delicate balance between maintaining one's identity and fulfilling the demands of parenthood. With practical tips and heartfelt reflections, Jessica and I share how personal interests, like games and human design, can enrich family life and individual growth. Tune in to discover actionable strategies for fostering emotional resilience, managing expectations, and preserving your sense of self while navigating the beautiful chaos of parenting.

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to another episode of Never Too Festive, and today we have a special guest that I'm so excited for you guys to meet. Her name is Jessica Housnick and she is the Zen Mama which I mean. Who doesn't wanna be more Zen in motherhood? I'm raising my hand. She's a parenting coach and yoga expert, and I am so excited for her to share her wisdom with us today.

Speaker 2:

Hey there.

Speaker 1:

Mama, and welcome to Never Too Festive, the podcast where we celebrate the extraordinary in everyday motherhood. I'm Elizabeth Hambleton, your host and fellow mom, on a mission to help you rediscover your sparkle, redefine your style and reclaim your sense of self in the midst of motherhood mayhem.

Speaker 2:

Do you ever feel like you've lost touch with the stylish, confident woman you used to be before?

Speaker 1:

kids. Are you tired of living in yoga pants and feeling like you've gone from thriving to just surviving? Well, mama, it's time to reclaim joy, creativity and style, while embracing the fabulous mom you were meant to be. So grab your iced coffee and join me as we embark on a stylish adventure together, because here, on Never Too Festive, there's no such thing as too much sparkle, too much flair or too much celebration. Get ready to shine bright and live your most fabulous, joyful life, because you deserve it. Thanks so much for coming, jessica.

Speaker 3:

Thank you for having me, elizabeth. I'm really excited to be here and I love your podcast and I was just mentioning to you especially that first one about the family motto, so if your listeners haven't caught it, make sure you circle back to that one. So cute, so good.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, thanks, that's actually right. I explained how we got the name for the show Never Too Festive and it's funny because I think sometimes parenting is such a journey right for all of us, and that we start out with one vision, right? We've all been those people that are like I'll never do this, I'll never do that, and then you're kind of, your style of motherhood unfold and develops and I would love to hear a little bit more about how you, in your motherhood journey, came into the role of being a parenting coach and I know you have a yoga background. So how did all of those things intertwine for you?

Speaker 3:

Oh my goodness. Yeah, you definitely ring a bell with me when you say like we all have this vision of how it's going to go, and then we kind of starts to unfold and those things that we swore by that wouldn't happen are happening and we just kind of surprised ourselves. And I think it is just what you said a journey like not a destination, not at any point, not even when you become a parenting coach. It's still a journey. It's just what you said a journey like not a destination, not at any point, not even when you become a parenting coach. It's still a journey. It's not like all right, there's never any problems now.

Speaker 3:

So I didn't come into this position because I had it all figured out with doing everything right. It was actually quite the opposite, where I was struggling a lot and so I sought support. Every parent coach existed, which I had never even heard of, and I was so excited because it really turned things around for me and my family with the particular program that I went through. So how it all really came together is I was in a career of 15 years in marketing and my babies were nine months, a year and a half and about three, and I was realizing I really wasn't. I feel like somebody else was breathing my kids because I was working full time.

Speaker 1:

I think we could. A lot of us can relate to that, for sure.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it wasn't a good feeling. I had them in daycare and and again, I had it planned out Like I'm a career person, like my kids will be in daycare. I am not a stay at home mom type, like I just thought I knew that. So eventually I started to cut back my work and I was just a really great company that I had that tenure with and understanding of family and work balance, and so I kept setting back my schedule and it kept helping me get more time with my kids. Long story short, I wound up leaving the company to try being a stay-at-home mom and I even took my kids out of any type of daycare or support. So I was with them 24-7, three toddlers. And oh boy, that's when things again this, this other thing with the career is not working. Let me try this other thing.

Speaker 3:

And right away I was like no, no, no, I'm really bad at this. I was just losing my temper all day with my kids. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't listen. I couldn't understand how I couldn't keep the house clean, how I couldn't cook a meal. You know I'm staying at home. I should be able to do all these things. What a nice life and nice opportunity that we can afford that as a couple.

Speaker 3:

So that's when I actually turned more into a yoga practice and yoga was something I started to escape to three times a week because I needed to get away and I needed a break. And it was quickly. I realized the power of yoga to kind of wipe the straight lane, really take away all of that emotion and energy that I was storing as part of playing the mom role, and it had a magical effect. It was different than like a workout with weights or going for a run, which is some of the stuff that I used to do to keep up with my health. And so, anyway, about five years later I became a parenting or a yoga teacher. I went through certification. I just had to know the philosophy and history of why this process was so magical. So I do think that that is a big part of parenting is figuring out that physical outlet for you individually. I think it's really good for all of us to sweat. It helps us to get rid of our toxins, but also to get rid of that emotional baggage that we take on as a parent. So that's part of my certification process.

Speaker 3:

Out of dire need that I decided to take on yoga more seriously and then offer to others what that did for me, and specifically, I always had moms in mind because I saw how much it helped me be a better parent. From there I went on to receive my certification because, even though it was helping me get clear yoga on a lot of things, I still couldn't break patterns that I had of yelling at my kids and not understanding why they were doing the things they were doing. Why did we have the same problems we had yesterday? Why were we having those today? We already talked about them and resolved them, and so when I went through the transformational parenting program, which is now what I offer to clients as well, it changed everything for my family. I received the understanding of the science behind their behavior, behind everything that they did, and it helped. Having that science to ground in helped me manage my triggers.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think there's so much I could do with that. I think a lot of us can relate to that grass is always greener feeling in parenting that like, oh, if I make this big switch, then it's going to all magically work out, like if I go back to work full time or if I don't work at all, or like whatever it is, if I move, if I switch from private school to public school, like we all. I think it can be so tempting to look for that kind of magic lever that's going to make our family feel like it's working or to make it feel smooth or to make it feel calm and kind of to your point, it wasn't necessarily the externals that were changing. It was unlocking your own inner peace and finding your own way to reset. That really ended up being so powerful for you.

Speaker 1:

So I'd love to hear a little bit more about the science, because I know that in my family we've dealt with some anxiety kind of stuff with my kids and like the nervous system stuff and it's powerful. But it's something that a lot of people don't know that much about, because no one. I mean, where do you like? Where do you learn it if you don't find it. So I just like a little sort of like starter or overview for people who have never really delved into what the nervous system does or how does it affect our kids or ourselves as parents, like when we get triggered. Like where would someone start if this is a totally new topic for them?

Speaker 3:

yeah, oh, my goodness, you know, there's so much science that we don't know that we need to know in order to be a sane parent. That also protects our children's mental health, and without this knowledge we can a lot of times be the cause of the low self-esteem or anxiety that our children face. And I'm not saying all the time and I'm not at all saying this. I don't want listeners to feel guilt or anything like that. It's that if this information can finally become more accessible to all of us, like I envision it how everybody's like sign up for those birthing classes, learn how to breathe, learn what you need.

Speaker 1:

A lot of people have mentioned that. I know that's a recurring theme on this podcast of like we all get so many like, everyone has a lactation consultant or all those things for those early years, but then it's like the wilderness as your kids get older and you really do have to be a nature world change of like.

Speaker 3:

Hey, there's all this research and study that shows that parenting styles greatly impact mental health. It all starts there. Those first seven years of life are crucial to the programming and conditioning our children take on about their importance, their significance, and love is not enough, and that's because love, as we know it, is conditional in our world and in our society. I loved my children when we were having a hard time. I loved my thousand six and heading towards depression. I loved her so much.

Speaker 3:

And you often think of these families where maybe there's poverty or horrible abuse stories going on, where you expect mental health issues to occur and of course that is going on there, but you don't expect it. In these middle-class families where they have money and access to resources, they're educated and they're using traditional parenting methods like yelling, timeout, punishment, rewards and consequences. You really don't expect mental health problems to be happening there. But we've all heard people say I never expected that that could happen with that family and when this was happening with my daughter, that's what came into mind, like how can it be Me and my husband are so loving and caring? How is this happening to our family? So I really want this information to be just like that birding class is put in front of people Like, okay, if you want to be a parent, this is the next step.

Speaker 3:

They really get an understanding of their whole physiology. We focus on the behavior. That's behaviorism. It's outdated. We can't focus on that alone, that labeling the child is good or bad. It creates mental health problems. We have to know about their nervous system, why they have emotions. We have to know about their brain system, why they have emotions. We have to know about their brain development and brain function. Can't parent a healthy child without knowing about the prefrontal cortex. And then also, we can't make any changes in the home if we don't start a detachment science which is understanding what real connection and love are, how we crave those as humans and how what we're often delivering as the parent is not meeting those needs. A lot of times, unfortunately, it comes across as a lot of judgment and a lot of non-acceptance and ostracizing our children when we send them to time out and do these parenting strategies that are still very widely known and widely used. So my life's mission, vision and work is to really make it common knowledge of what's outdated and what needs to be generously handed to every parent, so accessible, just like those burning glasses.

Speaker 3:

So, specifically about the nervous system. Um, so specifically about the nervous system. We label our children when they have meltdowns, or meltdowns or tantrums, but we can take a whole new um frame around that and call it dysregulation, and that it's not a negative um outlook on the situation, then, but it's actually the scientific explanation for what is happening in their body. Their nervous system is becoming dysregulated, which means they're not able to think properly and respond appropriately. So this might involve hitting or yelling or using words that are hurtful, but this is them trying to say my system is overwhelmed. I am trying my best to explain to you what I need or what I want, but because of my age, my skill set, this is the best I can do, and it's literally like cortisol, adrenaline flooding the body that then they now need to disperse and get rid of feels bad, their body's shaking inside and they just want it to get out.

Speaker 1:

Then they throw it at you because they're saying I need support through yeah, which is funny because I think that's actually a feeling that we as moms can relate to too, sometimes that just like, oh my gosh, I am overwhelmed, like I can't right now.

Speaker 1:

Um, so it's not even just kids. But yeah, and that's so interesting because I was thinking while you were talking too, that it's not even just like oh, this family or that family too, it's that even if you are killing it in your home, you are, I think, or and I'd love your opinion on this is like I feel like a lot of times I'm trying to course correct from the greater environment my kids are in, like teachers who say stuff and you're like I don't know, like that's not. You know maybe our, what we say in our house or other families, or you know, like really harsh coaches on teams or things like that. So it's also giving your kid enough resilience to see maybe negative behavior, like very like you say, kind of traditional behaviors in places like schools or teams or churches that cause sometimes distress, and like how you're trying to kind of manage all of that. Because you mentioned punishment and I know that's become kind of a new frontier. You hear about no punishment, parenting and things like that. Is that something that you teach people about.

Speaker 3:

Yeah Well, first of all, I do agree with you that a lot of times when your children come home from school and I always describe them as being volcanoes they come home and you are so excited to see them and hear about their day and all they want to do is fight and scream and so much negative energy and you're like so disappointed.

Speaker 3:

And you know the old me would have been like I was looking forward to seeing you and look at how you're acting. What's wrong with you? You know I have all these judgments and opinions about it and now that I know what I know about our children's nature like they're not really meant to sit at a desk for six hours a day and, okay, they get a lunch break or recess break. So five hours a day maybe get some other activities, but overall that's a very long day for them to be in that setting their activities, but overall that's a very long day for them to be in that thing. They often do have teachers who don't have this updated training and so they are yelling at the child that misbehaves in front of the class and you can imagine yourself sitting around your team at work and the boss says Elizabeth, excuse me? Are you talking while I am speaking? That is not allowed. I'm going to move you down on the sticker chart or the color.

Speaker 1:

Right, take away your dojo points yeah. Yeah, so embarrassing my kids complain a lot about teachers yelling like that is hard for them, like the yelling.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and so can you imagine being around yelling all day? And I can. That was my health when I was little and you know, when I ever bring up my home and my upbringing, me and my mom are so close and she's incredible and at the same time, they didn't have this science that we have now. Everybody's doing the best that they can, but we can all do better. If they make this information more accessible and really make it a movement to get this in front of everybody. And teachers, God bless them. There are so many beautiful, amazing, wonderful teachers, so you always feel so bad when you bring up these examples. However, there are so many teachers and that is their go-to all day and one their programming. It's their conditioning.

Speaker 1:

It was what was modeled for them, the way that the only skill that they have get people to listen and their nervous system is like in overdrive because they're overwhelmed, so it's like part of their own fight or flight, kind of kicking in. Yeah, you have three children, right.

Speaker 3:

I have two, two and I have three right, and we know what that's like on our nervous system.

Speaker 1:

Now imagine 20 kids every single day, five days a week, like when you host your kid's birthday party and there's like 10 of them running around your house yelling and you're like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3:

Before this training, before my certification and before I worked with a coach, I was a girl scout leader. Oh my God, I had I forget how much our first troop was, but they were kindergartners and first graders and it was, I think, like 15 kids and I had a partner who did it with me. I would come home and I'd have to. After our hour or hour and a half meeting I would have to go into like a dark room and like be impressed. And now I understand, like they weren't being bad. I know now how to get their attention, how to get through it, how to wait, like I know all the things now, but it was literally like, how do teachers do it? I'm literally shutting down. And so that's what happens when our nervous system usually goes into fight or flight first, like hey, my need or want is not being met, my nervous system or I don't feel safe in some capacity. So we try to get that. We try to get our need met. If we're unskilled, it's through yelling, it's through coercion, it's through threats or bribes.

Speaker 3:

When you are more trained in nervous system science, you learn how to breathe, you learn how to walk away, you learn how to take a break, you learn how to model all this for your kids. You learn how to co-regulate them. You understand that them being able to regulate themselves happens in the prefrontal cortex. The prefrontal cortex doesn't begin forming until the age of seven, not done until the age of 25. So our kids need a lot of help regulating their nervous system off of our nervous system. So you know we have all of those skills and knowledge to ground in when our children are dysregulated or were dysregulated. But teachers and even pediatricians aren't being trained in this information. I've had both go through my program and say why aren't we given this information? And so it really is critical to creating good mental health in children and it and it makes sense just can't go over in a 20 room classroom and individually whisper to each child. I need you to pay attention now.

Speaker 1:

That even feels worse with two kids and you're like okay, your sister is dysregulated Like I need. You know, even with two that feels hard sometimes. So I'm sure with 20, it feels literally impossible.

Speaker 3:

Right, right, and of course it would be so nice, but one, they don't even have that information that that would be more than helpful and better for everybody's mental health, and two, that's basically not possible. So it really does come down to, like you said, a system and a society that requires us to then put out those fires at night, and so we can look at choosing different options for our children for school, like you mentioned. Like we're often like, okay, I'm going to throw it here and see if this sticks, see if this makes things less crazy at home, and so a lot of people go to private school for that. However, I don't find all the private schools can be a lot different. You know there's still a lot of pressure from testing and the teacher to yell, and still the same time that a child has to sit at a desk for project-based learning where they get to be up and around and moving with their energy and align with their true nature.

Speaker 3:

So I do really encourage parents who have the flexibility to consider outside of public school options. You know there's some unschooling options now and project-based options, but I think if you are going to spend that money to send your kid to a private school. Please look at those options instead, because they more align with the human nature and a child's nature, and then you're not going to be in put out the fire mode every whole night, and I do believe it will lend to a better quality of life. And this is coming from somebody who has all of her kids in public school. I am currently looking at an unschooling option for one of my daughters and it's fascinating how my three daughters are also different from one another.

Speaker 1:

Yes, I will drink to that. I mean looking at what both like what serves. We've had the discussion at our house like what serves each kid is not necessarily always the same option. And like what is the feasibility of that and what is the like scheduling of that and the fact that I can't bend time space and be like across town at different pickups at the same time and kind of balancing all of that can definitely be challenging at the same time and kind of balancing all of that can definitely be challenging.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, it really does all come down to balance, right? I really in the big kind of theme of things and actually your first episode that I already mentioned about family motto had me thinking of my family motto and I think that that's what it is like this ability to understand everybody's bandwidth at any given moment. It's like where I think the true magic lies and then being able to adjust expectations and schedule and all the things according to that. And it was funny because it kind of aligned with my slogan from crazy connected. So it's about choosing. That's awesome. Hey, it's about choosing authenticity in that moment, like what do I really want and me, who am I? Is this serving me? Where are my children at right now authentically with their nervous system, with their mindset, with what's going on today, with what's gone on this year? And even though I was expecting us all to be able to do this right now, if I really want to prioritize authenticity and connection, what type of adjustments do I need to make in this moment?

Speaker 1:

It's amazing too, because, like, what served them in elementary can be so different from what they need as middle schoolers or high schoolers.

Speaker 3:

So it's like constant re-evaluation it totally is, and you know that used to I used to come from a place of judgment. We should be able to commit to going to this and having a good time. What's wrong with you guys? We're doing something for you. This is supposed to be fun, right? And?

Speaker 1:

now it sounds like vacations for a lot of family. I think you know it's summer. A lot of people can, yeah, like, can, relate to that feeling of like. But we're here, we're at this resort, like it's supposed to be amazing, we spent all this money and then you know it can still. That doesn't mean that like they're not tired or they don't have their own expectation that, um, because it's funny, I I follow a parenting expert who talks about entitlement being actually a lot about dysregulation and it's not that.

Speaker 1:

So her example recently was that your kid freaks out because you can't fly first class. Like they get to it, for whatever reason. That's the expectation in this family that she worked with. And so they get to the airport and like they're not in first class, and so a lot of people would be very judgmental about like, oh my gosh, like what kind of kid expects to fly first class? Most of us have never done that in our whole life, right, as adults. But it's she's like.

Speaker 1:

But the point isn't about the first class, it's about the fact that there was disappointment and the kid didn't have the regulation like self-regulation skills to manage that disappointment and that it's not really like that the kid was like the kid is who those parents trained him to be, and it's really more about the regulating disappointment, like in any kid has that.

Speaker 1:

It's just about different things. Like it's going to be like, oh, I got ice cream this afternoon or I didn't, or I, you know, get to wear this shirt or that shirt, like whatever it is that causes disappointment in your household or your environment. It's the same feeling and it's like entitlement isn't really. It's just like expectations about life and like, based on your own experience, like we all have expectations about oh, we're gonna eat this for dinner and not this or whatever, and it is so. It's like dysregulation really covers so much more than people think. It's not just tantrums. It's like on who we are and how we move around the world. And like this person, I'm sure you would agree like that, that managing that is such a huge part of our job as parents that they have that skill later in life.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah. So I think like a child could become maybe entitled if the parent and a laborer lets them experience that disappointment and say that's okay, that you're disappointed in that and it makes sense, you're used to this and you're not getting that and that's okay. You can cry and you can yell that we're in a place that it's appropriate. If not, let me take you over here so you can yell we're more private and you're not interrupting other people Like, oh, that's okay, I'm here by your side, I get it. It's hard to not get what you want and just making that normal that all emotions are welcome here. And our work is in training them that we can handle all of them. Let's feel them, let's name it, let's get to what you really want or need and then let's figure out a way to get that done. And if you can't get it done, then how do you continue to sit in your sadness and then move on from it? And then I think when we do that we create emotionally resilient beings that when they are in high school and college and grownups they go. I know disappointment I've been through this before and I have a process for it and it lets it leave my body, physically, viscerally. It lets me then figure out what's really going on with me and it lets me come up with a plan and it really just becomes kind of second nature.

Speaker 3:

Hopefully, if they've been doing this for years or decades and that's my goal is to have children and parents going through this for that amount of time, because if not, the other is happening.

Speaker 3:

We're just going to create anxiety and poor mental health and we're not going to be able to bounce from those emotions, that dysregulation. And so, coming back to nervous system, the idea isn't to never be dysregulated, it's to ebb and flow through dysregulation when it happens. So we go into fight or flight, we put up our fight to get our needs met. When that doesn't work anymore, we go and do down and again grief, sadness, despair, and there's certain things that happen to us in our lives that are bigger than others, that will create those things or maybe make us hang out there a little bit longer. And then hopefully, once that is passed through the body and we kind of face it, not avoid it, not put it down, not run from it, not dismiss it or guilt it or shame it, then we're able to bounce back into just regular being and our regular, steady beat of happiness and joy, and we can even flow more equally with this practice.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that because it is to your point, like it's not like we're going to avoid disappointment or dysregulation. I mean, look at things like COVID right, no one had control over that Like it happens to all of us or you know, grief loss there's things that will just happen. So it's not about avoiding or making something perfect. It's about learning the skills to handle things more effectively and in a more healthy way and I think, in a way, like you said, that creates more connection in your home, so that when one person is struggling, it doesn't create barriers or additional hurt, but instead like learning how to support through it, which is really cool. I think that's amazing.

Speaker 1:

We've definitely covered some great stuff and I know that a lot of us can benefit from even regulating our own nervous system a little bit better, and then we have that bandwidth to show up as the moms that we want to be for our own kids, because I know when we run so low ourselves, it can be hard to feel like you have that time and energy to just to deal with everything calmly, right.

Speaker 1:

So, such an important topic, something that really changes our homes, and speaking of a way to add just that little bit more peace and calm in the mom's life, so that you are ready to show up as a healthy mom and the mom you want to be. That brings us to the part of the show where we ask every guest for a petite plaisir, and if you are new to listening to the show, that is a simple pleasure. It's French for like a small pleasure, and we ask every guest to share with us just some small thing that's adding a little joy or a little pleasure to their life, so that we can all take inspiration on how we too can add something small and pleasurable, but still significant to our own day.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, this is a hard one for me because I really have come into great balance with taking care of myself and my needs, and my probably brings me to a parenting tip that I think is the most important, which is knowing who you are and celebrating that every day in some way every week. If you can't get through it every day, I understand that sounds really big to some people, but eventually maybe you could work up to that, because we can tend to lose our individuality as we become a parent. Everything's new and exciting at first. Then, when things are really tiring, you just kind of forget. Who am I, what things do I like to do? Do I have an individuality anymore?

Speaker 3:

So right now, at this season, I am, I would say I'm studying human design a bit. I love inspection and self-discovery design a bit. I love inspection and self-discovery, and so, while I don't completely have the time for it right now, I'm sneaking in some little reads here and there, and I will add in one more, and that is like playing games. I'm playing with my girlfriends and husband and friends. I love to play cards and board games with them, and we do it with our kids as well, but keeping it to just the adults. Sometimes it's so fun. So I'm keeping up with that for summer as well.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that. We're a big game night family and we'll do little picnics in the living room where we put a sheet down and we do board games on the floor and have like I don't know like kind of snacky food for dinner, like kind of almost like an adult would have bar food, sort of like nachos or things like that and we play games and have a little picnic in the living room for our game nights and that's become just like a little micro tradition that we really enjoy and um that we we really like games as well um, well, now I have to ask you too.

Speaker 1:

I love that yeah, so it's fun, and I don't know much about human design, but I know a little bit about it. It's very interesting. Um, what type are you? Do you know I'm a manifester? Yeah, I'm a manifesting generator. Or wait, no, I'm a generator, not manifesting, just generator. So, yeah, it is interesting. So much to learn. I also really think it's interesting to learn about yourself and your personal growth and take time for that. Even though you're busy with your kids, we can get focused on how to make their life better, but we also need to focus on, like you said, how do we become our best self. So that is amazing and, for anyone who does feel stuck in yelling and habits and cycles that they want to break, how can they get connected with you or learn more from you?

Speaker 3:

Yes, I am on all the social Facebook, instagram, tiktok, youtube, findmyzenfam or some name of the sort varies a little bit different for each one. My website is findmyzenfamcom and if you would like a free download and to be added to the mailing list, be notified of retreat, yoga event, parenting workshop, you can get a free download at findmyzenfamcom. Forward slash seven habit. It'll talk to you at the video and pdf that lets you know seven habits that are breaking connections, that are happening in most homes.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, interesting. I feel like I should go watch that because it would totally be interesting to see which seven and do I have all of them, or some of them, or like which one is my go-to too, like I'm sure there's some that I do more than often than others. So, super interesting. We will all go check that out and thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 3:

You're welcome. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. It's a great time.

Speaker 2:

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