#4 Cian Linehan: Networking Simplified & Self Improvement Habits

Today's guest is Cian Linehan, an expert in personal branding and co-founder of a coaching program designed for young professionals aiming to excel in online sales. Join us as we delve into his journey from corporate life to entrepreneurship, discuss the future of networking, and share insights on the unique experiences of growing up in Ireland. Additionally, we explore the profound effects of journaling and meditation on personal growth and mindfulness.

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We have an exciting guest today. Keane has recently co -founded a coaching program dedicated towards young professionals looking to leave the 9 to 5 and break into the ever -growing world of online sales. He is also building a personal brand. I really enjoyed this episode as I went down a few different avenues. We cover how to break into the world of online networking, the nuances of growing up on the island of Ireland and how both meditation and journaling have greatly impacted our lives. If you are interested in online business and personal growth then you should not miss this episode. Guys, I have one favour to ask, if you like the videos and if you like the channel please go ahead and hit the subscribe button, it will help me grow the channel and put out more videos just like this one. Keane, how are you sir? Do well John, cheers for having me on Striblige. Yeah no, it's my absolute pleasure Keane. You're doing a lot of very interesting things at the moment. You're building your own personal brand online and I also see you have your own coaching business that looks really interesting. How did you find yourself in a position where you're building personal brand and running your own coaching business? I could go on, there's lots of things which influence this. But I guess, merely over the last 18 to 24 months, I've been grateful for being introduced to new people, people who have been building or built personal brands. Just speaking with these guys online, perhaps meeting them in person, do my own research, and you kind of get a taster and a seal to the way other people are living, and they're doing it through personal brands through their own interests, and... I saw that and I said to myself, right, this is the way forward as opposed to where I kind of was, which is this traditional thing was essentially here at Lumber. But managing the people, I just stopped speaking to and so I knew myself well, I would say. Cool, so your network had like a big influence. I used, when you... Cute. And when you finished like when you graduated from university in Ireland, I think we were the same cohort keen. So maybe like three, four years ago, did you imagine you'd be, did you always want to be an entrepreneur? Did you always think that like putting out content online was something that you'd like to do or build a personal brand or did that only happen when you met the network? Like was there kind of a shift in your identity there? Not necessarily, no, putting out content and building the perceived side of things to be honest with you, no. I mean, 6 -7 years ago I did get really hooked into watching YouTube, kind of, the early shittness scene, you could say. And that kind of opened my eyes. But it was more so the fact that I just didn't want to go down the typical, Irish corporate route of the university. You know, I was always the one to say to myself, I would never really go into your signboard 95, if that's not me, I'm gonna do something of my own. whatever that was gonna be I had no idea to be honest with you John but it is more so not wanting to go down the traditional path of just a normal life which is kind of the way and our needs to an extent it is more than that. So you always knew, you were always kind of confident in your... You were always kind of confident that you... You want to do something different. Yeah, absolutely. Again, what that would be, I had no idea, but I think when you consume enough content, when you seek with the right people and you see them doing it after a while, you get the confidence then that says, okay, if they're doing this, I can at least do that, even if it's just one tenth of what they're doing, you know? So what it was going to be, I don't know. but I was interested in kind of developing myself early on from the age of maybe 18, 19, 20 years of age, starting out with fitness, nutrition, then breathing, meditating, stuff like this. Yeah, you just kind of know that it's not for you going down the traditional route and that you are going to do something of your own. And even if you're not sure of what it is, you know, it's going to work out. It always works out. And how, how did you find like, Irish university then if you kind of if you had that mindset from a young age like did you find University but frustrating I know there's not many It's not I I didn't find university in Ireland to be like much for environment where people talk about you know entrepreneurial ideas are like entering somewhat away from the norm Did you kind of struggle a bit or you've been frustrated or I mean think I personally I just had University because it was the thing to do and so interesting people At some bit, in hindsight, sure I would say it's not the right thing to do, at least for the lifestyle. It's kind of the way of living and the way of making money that I want because, you know, people always say it, you're ultimately in a, in a car or a sirene. A business lecture learning from someone who's making 60k a year and has never run a business in their life, it doesn't really. But I'm grateful for some of the people I met there and some of the places I under the going to as a result of meeting people from university who I wouldn't otherwise have met. But why a large? It's not four years out of a bomb. And I'm like, yeah, that was, that was testament to my growth or that there was much of a high or a why on us to be honest. Yeah, I 100 % agree. I definitely think I developed socially, but like in terms of like intellectual interests or like personal development, it only for me, it only really started after. University in Ireland, which I think is kind of funny, but I know a lot of people feel that way Yeah, I mean sure you so what what was it do I may I stay in that kind of shit this bitch? Yeah, for me it was definitely traveling. I've been working remotely in tech for the past four years. During COVID actually I moved abroad. That way I kind of like moved social groups and got to meet new people and got to see new ideas. Similar to yourself, I started watching a lot of YouTube, a lot of content online, like listening to dodge floors and people were just doing anything different and that kind of changed my mindset a small bit. I think another big factor is moving away from the drink culture in Ireland. Like I don't want to point my finger and say like, if you know, if you enjoy drinking, you're a bad person or anything better than you, but I think it does help. It really did help me per se that way, just to move away from that kind of culture and that environment. Yeah. I mean, look, I've definitely had my days in Cork city when I was 18, 19, 20, 20, 21 years of age in that culture. You know, I didn't think any differently at the time and I've, I wouldn't judge anybody who is in that. Ultimately you do look back on your kind of life. What is this? What am I doing? And it's easy to judge deeper than I'm doing it now because you're more aware of, you know, what else is out there. Well, I was absolutely hard about for a while, but I think, you know, maybe I encourage you in university. When I was two years left, I was like, okay, something needs to, something needs to change here. And definitely I echo what you're saying in terms of the travel. And this is one thing I have read before from. University is that I met a friend who's one of the greatest friends I've ever had. And she was in New York for a while on the J1, but working like full on, I wasn't a typical J1. Where you can just continue the Irish culture in America. But it exposed me to like New York City and I went there twice. And that's kind of ultimately how I ended up in London because I saw big New York City divide the abundance. And I wanted that in Europe. And also I got to test out other places like I went to Italy for an Erasmus for example. I travel, which makes you aware of what else is out there, who else is out there. It just slips a switch. So I'd definitely echo what you're saying when it comes to travel. So you think... You don't think you'd be on the same trajectory if you didn't travel or... Was it that significant, you think? It's significant and I wouldn't say it's just like travel like going to a place here and there for a week like a couple of holidays each year I think it's being dropped into a completely different environment where you're just out of your comfort zone So maybe not so much travel as opposed to moving away from home I think is more important like getting out of Ireland and I don't mean going from Cork to Dublin or Cork to Belfast to Cork to Galway I mean like going from Cork to an entirely different world. I think that's what I mean by travel in terms of living and adapting to an impulsor where you're just a creepy editor comfort zone and where there's people all around you who are achieving things. It's just seeing fantastical to you. They see impossible, you know, and that's, that's why I love London as well. Getting out of your comfort zone and just seeing different realities like really can help you like look introspectively and kind of realize. what you actually want or why you're actually doing something. Absolutely. You mentioned like networking was a big thing for you and you met guys who were putting out content line and building their brand and that kind of got you thinking like how does someone get into networking if someone's in like Irish University at the moment and they're listening to this like and they feel like I don't know how to approach this like what tips would you advise someone to get into the best network or to start networking? Yeah, that's a great question, John. I think it's worth mentioning, like I preach on networking now with people in my own community. I preach about it on LinkedIn in person, but the whole concept of networking is never something I even considered. Maybe until two and a half years ago, like I moved to London out of university, no job, nothing set up, no network. There are successful people everywhere in London but I couldn't find them. I was on a conch and told them it's really difficult. Everybody's on a call, I couldn't tell them. And it's a bit difficult to do in person. I think unless you're open to meeting people online, it's going to be difficult for you to find your people to build your network. And ultimately online communities, whether free or paid, are an incredible way to meet people who are already living the lives that you want to live already have the friends that you want to be friends with already going to the restaurants every week that you want to go to it's just the matter of finding these people and there's no better way to do that than online you know in Kajoi communities you can literally you could for example if you're in London and there's a cool restaurant you want to go to like you literally can just go into the Instagram LOTATION. Then see who's been there most of the week. Maybe there's a couple of cool guys going their your age. You check their profiles and they look somewhat entrepreneurial or interested in the same things as you. Drop them at the end. Invite them for a dinner the next week in a similar style restaurants and there you go. I can get started. So there's many ways. Online. Online. Online is what I would stress. You can do it in person but for every one person that you meet. any person in the real world, you'll need to find the online just as quick. Yeah, it really is. It really is the future. And so you said meeting people online is a great way to network, a great way to meet people. Like how do you maintain these relationships if it's all online? You start online and you ultimately meet them in person, you know? So, if I run through my experience, like the first course for example I ever purchased, well, around 1500 dots, I was shitting my pants because I thought this might be a scam, it's an online community, it's a lot of money. But I did my due diligence, I joined and honestly John, within one week I had more Zoom calls. the one -to -one like this with entrepreneurs and killers on ahead of my entire life. And they were reaching out to me because they saw I joined and they wanted to get to know me. They wanted to keep me accountable. And ultimately there was about 200 people in the group at this time when I joined and you can't tell with everybody. People have different interests, different values. But ultimately once you have enough like one -to -one chats just to get to know people, you find your group. you understand who we're dealing with. And that's what I found. My six other guys like got along with really well. And once it came to the summertime, they were saying, hey, Pian, I'm gonna host an event here in Montenegro for the week. It'd be great if you could come along. And like that, a couple of weeks later, we're in Montenegro, sharing an operator villa with five other guys here, fishing, eating, money. We're just as solicited. In the real world? And when you're that who knows you see the marketable? Yeah, just behind. You get on why? Finding Joe Earth? Get to know them? With that alter -eth you do need to meet the seething, sir. Psst. You don't like anything? I -I -I could have made any friendship. Just text people or them. Catch up with them. Check in on them or they do it. Well, you can't see the inverse of interruption but again I kinda started finding them. Climb. And there's like a lot of skepticism online about like certain online courses. Like I've heard other people speak similar to you have how they have really made huge impacts on their lives and like they've really like opened new doors and new opportunities. But I was wondering like what sort of criteria do you have for like finding a good course or is there anything you'd look out specifically for someone? Honestly, I would just think who would I enjoy having dinner with and where are these people? And the people you want to have dinner with are probably a few steps ahead of you. You know, you want to be the dumbest in the room most of the time, at least you want to be learning. You know, do they have similar values to you? Do they maybe have the asset which you want? Do they have the friends that you want to be friends with? Like I would really just think of, you know, In sales we think of our ICP, our ideal client essentially. Well, okay, who's your ideal friend? What do they look like? Write them down. Where are they in the worlds? You know, are they online? What do they do? Forgot description and you'll find them online based upon interior. And oftentimes it's a lot easier than you think because these people also have the same. They have the same creators who they watch as you. For example, their YouTube homepage probably looks the same as yours to an extent. If you go into these creators, they're probably in the groups which you should be in and you literally just check these creators' links in the description. They might have a cohort, a co -orci community. They're probably already in there. So it's a lot closer. Everybody's a lot more tied together than you might think. I find it very interesting how like, yeah, how pragmatic you are about it. Yeah, it's definitely... Yeah, listening to you talk about it, I know you speak quite a lot about it, like, so you have, like, expertise in that area, so I got, yeah, it's quite interesting to hear, like, how, specific you are about it, and, like, how granular you are, Yeah, like, so, to give an example, if I could, like, and this is something I'd tell guys who are trying to find jobs, you know? Like, on my YouTube home page recently, a guy's video came up, and he was talking about how he makes 50 ,000... month and she's living in Cape Town. I'm a duck. I'd like to go to Cape Town next January, February. There is this guy he looks pretty successful he's doing well he'd be great to have dinner with. I search him up on Instagram I shoot him a message I just compliment him he said thanks man you know whenever you're here make sure to hit me up and that's it like there's a there's a guy there now when I go to Cape Town who's ready to have dinner with me and that's an example of billiard network. but just from watching someone's YouTube video. You know, if someone wants to get into podcasts and they want to become friends with you, John, it's like they'll see your videos and YouTubers come to fight. They should send you a message. Not you. Yeah, well, and then if it's genuine, you'll probably build some sort of friendship relationship. You know, you might talk every week, but you'll get for them when perhaps they want to launch. Same as them. You're in there. Cool, yeah. You make it sound very easy, King. It is. To an extent, you just... Yeah, like, I do make it sound easy, but... Kind of is if you go about it the right way and you're consistent with it, to be honest, and I didn't think that before. And... You know, and other stuff comes into it like... Kind of taking social media somewhat seriously, making sure you're perceived well, honest, it's like... You would let your picnic 16 years of age, drinking vodka, like people won't want to network with you if that's kind of what you perceive. So there's a whole different route that could go down. But yeah, it's, it's not too difficult. Did you, did you meet any of your business partners through networking or did you meet them in university for your current coaching program? Yeah. So I run into coaching program with two other guys from England. One actually plays soccer with the other team. Okay. Gotcha. Would you find it so like you're obviously running, you're running this program with two other guys and would you ever, when you're looking for a business partner, would you find it hard to trust someone or what sort of, what sort of personality traits would you look into when you want to do business with? I mean, I wouldn't. I'm not at the position, yes, unfortunately, where I get opportunities thrown at me, put it that way, but with the people who I've done business with or been doing business with, they just need to have similar values and a similar outlook to me. And the guys who I'm running this program with, we are very aligned with what we want down the line. And not just by 12, 24 months, I'm talking like paying 20 years into the future, like where we want to live, how we want to live. when it comes to like, familial scenarios like everything, our values are pretty well aligned and we're also not like best friends you know? We kind of knew each other and we'd say hello to each other and we would chat but we weren't best friends so it's not like we're combining like a friendship with a business friendship as well which a lot of people will say you should kind of keep separate you know, an everyday business of friends I don't know about that but it just works well. You know, we have the same values, we want the same things, we want to help the same people as well, and that's another thing, we were kind of helping the same people before we launched this. So it just really made sense to team up as opposed to going out this individually. Cool. And yeah, you mentioned that you have the same values and like in five years, you kind of want the same things. Like how far ahead are you guys planning with this? You're doing like your strategy for the program. Like are you thinking like in five years and 10 years or are you just kind of going like month by month? It's still very early days, I truly don't actually only opened up the community at the beginning of April, or no, in the beginning of May, and things have accelerated a bit quicker perhaps than we thought. Which is great, but we're focused on the next six months, but absolutely we would be thinking, we are thinking maybe 12, 18, perhaps 24 months down the line. Not so much beyond that, yes. I would say 18 months is kind of as far out as we're looking and we'll adapt along the way as we need to. Yet, I'm no expert when it comes to business strategy, but I'm sure we'll adapt and figure it out along the way because this is literally the first business, essentially, which I'm running myself, which I'm involved in. So there's going to be a lot of learnings along the way, somewhat similar for the guys. So we'll see. But six, 24 months within that time bracket. Cool, and yeah, it seems it's really impressive Keen, so I've been following you on LinkedIn for the past few months and just seeing you talk about the program and how you present it and how you present yourself as well, it's really impressive and yeah, I think it's a great opportunity for anyone who would like to get into the online business or who's interested in being an entrepreneur also. You're a very young guy and you've achieved a lot and well... From the outside looking in, it seems you've achieved a lot. I mean, if you have this program, it seems that you've achieved certain success so far. Have you had mentorship to get to get where you are today? Or is there anyone that you find very interesting? I know a lot of guys like Alex Hormozzi or Justin Welch is another guy. Yeah, absolutely. Look, I've watched all of the Alex Ramosi, all of the Justin Welch videos, all of the Andy Yenis, more old school people like Brian Tracy. You know, I've watched a lot of content, read a lot of books. They've all been extremely valuable. But I think if I take it closer to home, and probably closer to home for you is a lot of what I'm doing. The first thing I ever, like, aged or mentorship, will is me, will I still be doing. unbelievable things online, you know? It's in that much more impactful in my mind, speaking of guys ahead of you but kind of from your hometown who are now outside of the box as opposed to just watching another YouTube video. That's an issue as well but when you really sit down one to one with these guys, see, in general, even when they tell you've been in the same gym as them, it really does change your life. So that was... The first time I invested on motion worship on the Mizzle, the Spalwimsh for the core scenes which I practiced the words for that public with working one which I can say early on in the podcast. I know there's sort of a running staff that would be dealing with someone like Rangirio, the strike the Stangil is so shit. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Me and my buddies, we've actually we've been following Darnley's podcast since it started. So it's just. free mads see like the way it progresses and yeah it's so relatable like when you see someone who like a familiar face or someone you know like who was in your position achieve success like it really does get you thinking. Yeah, and I think it's important for people to take every opportunity that they can to speak with these people, you know, and maybe it's a good thing or a bad thing, but in our links there doesn't seem to be that many to an extent in this whole online world's being really, really well. Like there are names that people know for what you're interested in, whoever is interested in whatever, there's probably only two or three key people in to the kind of one I have a conversation with. So it might be as difficult than you think, kind of get access to them. So I would take every opportunity that you can to actually speak to these people, whether you see them walking down the street or you pay them for mentorship. Just take up what I mean. How would you approach these people? Like if you don't want to, you know, like if you don't want to come across too needy or like just wanting to like gain something for yourself from the interaction, like how would you, what's the best way to approach them? I mean. Think it... Think it really depends on what you want. Like a lot of these people are busy. They don't have time to speak with you. Now if you send them a message and you compliment them and so on like I'm sure some of them will acknowledge it, others won't because they get so many messages every day. Whilst, like if you are really determined to have a conversation with someone and learn from them, pay it in. All to your plate. These people do not have time to have a coffee chat with you. And... you're being a bit naive if you think they do have the time to do so. Maybe some of them will. But it might be an upset to a program afterwards and that's why they might want to hop on the call. Not everybody is like that, but you know, people's time is precious. People's energy is precious. Even just like taking an hour out of their day to respond to messages is precious time, you know? So a lot of these people have programs, they have mentorships. Genuinely, I would hang to stick with them. pay to get access to, they're connected to and if you can't do that then they'll not the money to do so get a part -time job you know genuinely sure that's a turning seller and trump someone they're too busy ultimately to have a conversation with you I would pay them does anyone inspire you or if I were to ask you the question who inspires you does someone come to mind straight away? no one specific person comes to mind you know that there's a lot of people in this world who are doing really good things. You know if you look at Ireland again like I would look at someone like and Lee or like Rob Lipson and be like these guys who are doing phenomenal things. I highly respect them and I want to learn from them. You know there's other people in the online space as well who mightn't have as thin reputations but there's a lot of things I respect from them as well and admire and appreciate what what they say. Yeah to be honest there isn't one person but there's an awful lot of people I respect. Thanks. like to learn from, like to read about, like to follow online, like to try and connect with. But there's no one overreaching person to be honest, more so these 510 guys and they will learn as much from them as they possibly can. Cool. Yeah, it is kind of a tricky question. Like who's your one hero, but if you're one idol, but yeah, I mean, maybe one person will come to mind and not an idol, but someone who I look at and I'm like, right, they really have it. Checked out. Chris Williams said, you know, in the gaming world, there's that one of his shows recently here in London. Like that guy's impressive. You know, he's not too left, he's not too right, he's extremely steady and he speaks in really well. You know, others are a thing of his line show and I think he's the one still the strength of the show and he's the one that's impressive. You know, it might be a bit door -peat for some people to hear but like that's too impressive to me. He's somewhat we might think they're inshie people this art. I mean, you gotta see that. As far as he has other people in the worlds online are. But she's the line of cash and you know, he's been through there. The like of seeing, you know, the law violence, the and everything like this. And the, the and the family and of course from he lags so like, you know, when it is successful. But I just, it is like, it's a lot of salaries. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. He's definitely someone that'll be on top of my list also. He's so measured in what he says and he's so articulate and you can tell like he really thinks about things. So mentorship was important to you Keane. Travelling was also important to you for your development. Have you ever had moments like solitude or being on your own? I do like to travel on my own. Yeah, for example, we're now in May. I just spent the month of January on my own cinema. Prior to that I spent a month in Madrid on my own. And I live alone. So I'm thinking about all alone. Before I got on this trip I was only like a journeyman. Nice. I really shall be my own type. And myself. Lived with 5 people, I've lived with 4 people, I've lived with 3 people and now I live alone. I don't think I would have it any other way to be honest with you. But I also think there's something really... beautiful and impactful of going abroad to somewhere like in Argentina or wherever it is, spending time alone for a month, but not for a month just a few days, not zoning out, but just being in a different world. And it's a really good time to reflect. And I think that's a very important thing to do because being in the summer of London, for example, two weeks can go by. It is the same thing when they're walking around and they might not have that in common with standing. It's true and it's true. It's all the same. I've been taking a moment to stop and reflect. Yeah, it's important for sure and something I'm really, indeed, a bit itchy for a while. I know when they're in the knees. At least for the most, it could be okay. I need to go home. Two hours and then send the wing to the West Four and just, like, just sit in nature for a week, but you know, smell the fresh air. and say I could read it. I think reflection is really, it's so important and yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me, Keane, that you spend moments in kind of solitude and you talk about journaling because you do come across a very reflective kind of purpose -driven, I'd say, person, but it's very clear that you think a lot about things. Yeah, I think sometimes we can find it difficult or almost weird to do this reflection. When I first started journaling, I might do it in public for the first time and I'm like, is anybody looking at me? I'm here writing. Hmm. I'm on a book, having a coffee and I'm not on my phone. It feels very strange. But now I can't think of something which is more important to my daily habits to an extent as journaling. You know, just writing down goals, writing down what's on my mind, brain dumps onto the page. And it's also a very powerful thing because I have some old journals here next to me. And I can read and let them look at what I'm saying and further them to take as an entity. And when you see stuff that you wrote then about what you would like your future to look like and your future is now that, that's incredible. It makes you smile and appreciate. You just come. But also you see stuff there which you either achieve and you're like, okay, shit. I need to get the work a small bit here, so it's a great way of keeping you actionable as well, more so than anything. Interesting. When did you start touring? 2019. Around then, I would say. Yeah, you know, and not like, so I wasn't ingrained in the daily habits morning routine with everything, all the books and... You know, I've had days where the first, like, four hours of my day was a morning routine. Like, I would get up at six and my day didn't start until 10am. Like, that's not... That's not how it's supposed to work. I'm going through that. But I think maybe you kinda have to go through that phase to realize that's not how it feels to work. You can still do this in an hour. You know, or half an hour, ten minutes, however much time you have. But 2019, I would say... Like, anyone, it's a very powerful thing to do, especially if you live on your own, for example, or maybe you don't have the friend yet you can kind of open up to or have these conversations with. Getting this down on paper is a really, really great way of expressing it. Yeah, I agree. It's very, it's super therapeutic. And yeah, I also started around 2019 and I remember doing it in UCC and stuff and doing it in university and people who've had a head of this engineering are a bit weird. Yeah, it's been really weird though. Yeah. It does. Yeah. Honestly, man, I probably looked at people's whole journey for the first time and I was like, what the fuck are they doing? It's a bit weird. You know the first time I went to a cafe and started a journey I felt weird. The first time you probably went to a cafe or a restaurant and you were reading a book on your own having dinner as opposed to being on your phone with someone else that feels very strange and I guess it is to most people in the world. It just has to be done. Yeah I agree and y 'all it might seem strange to 80 % of people but then some people will look at you and say man I'd love to be that guy or I'd love to be as confident as he is too that Yeah, but people will notice it after a while as well. In terms of honestly your energy, how calm you are, how steady you are when you're speaking with people, you know, and I think it's when people start mentioning it to you. Like, for example, I was in a store recently and I was just buying a watch, for example, and the lady, she's a saleswoman and she'll say that she needs to say in order to get me to buy the watch. But she was like, you know, you're very can collect your energy are very easy to deal with. It's it's as opposed to what we sometimes might deal with, you know, from the public. Heating stuff like that is nice because it tells you, right, this is actually making the lives of other people a bit more enjoyable as well. And they will see her and see. So it's not just for yourself, like by bettering yourself, by becoming a bit more steady, a bit more calm. You're also making conversations with other people more enjoyable for them. Yeah, no, I actually. 100 % I noticed that from your content also. I thought you came across like super measured and super effective also so I definitely noticed that also Keen. But yeah and that's kind of why I was like hmm this is going to be very interesting to chat to. While we're on the topic of your content I saw one of your videos you talk about like you write down your 20 goals every day. Can you tell me a little bit about that? Do you still do that or? Yeah, of course, that's a good question John. This is something I love talking about to be honest. How it's came about, I joined again an online community called Capital Club. A guy, Luke Bellemare runs this private community and I joined us. I'm one of the speakers inside the community. This is Ron Tracy. He is this guru basically. He was talking about how every single day you need to write down. your top 10 most important goals for that year every morning. And I have other friends who I met online through this community. They were saying they've been doing this for 13 days, 60 days, 90 days. They would cross these stuff off. They began doing this, like I said, goals we have over the last several years, but they didn't involve in true. Most of them didn't. But. January when I went to Argentina I started writing down my top 10 most important goals. I knew a wee bit. I'm within 60 days like 4 of them were crossed out. You know, I started with these 3 month goals, 6 month goals, 5 month goals. Yeah, naturally it's the few people, one of the goals. Something on my mind was, it was exactly I live in a full amenities, sky -rise apartment in my perfect city. And I share this. Tips. True monstay, almost did. Though, it is quite long. Specially. And that would go in a bit too far. Though I found it very difficult to think that when I've come to fruition, I've not been right in this oath. And far it's caught into my brill. Like, every single day. It's a slow down. It doesn't mean, it's a realistic thing. This could be anything to do with your friends, your relationships, your whole... It all, it can listen and be anything. But, it can feel me powerful. And for example, it can be very simple to get through to the wall with no clothes on, a bit distraught and... I'm... I'm not aware of this. Like, I just wanna be more aware of my thoughts. Now when I write that down every morning, I go through the day and I'm like, no. I'm more aware. Like, it might sound ridiculous, but it's like... When someone cuts across you in the line in the cafe or you're on public transport and see all your waves tonight, they're like, no, it's fine. I'm a well off, I'm singing, I'm a good the 7 .3 and you just carry on and it doesn't affect you. So it could be big goals, it could be tiny goals. You know, it really depends. They just get more paper every day. It's extremely beneficial. And do you think writing is better than typing and all that people say that like journaling and goal setting, do you feel like actually writing it down? makes you think or... I think you can really leverage the digital world when it comes to this as well but more so visual for say vision boards you know like on my phone home screen I have a vision board of what I want my life to look like the same on my laptop here but when it comes to to Germany and like writing down goals I personally prefer the real thing you know it's the same in books I prefer the physical book I still listen to audiobooks so... I prefer the physical thing. There is something about just a pen and paper, you know, and cross it off and stuff like this. Rob says. You see that, Shrek? but I do think there's something, actually, it being physical as opposed to... I think... Do you think like, having a cool setting and being reflective, like, do you think it obviously helps a lot with your, like, creative process? Yeah, it does, but it's also... very important to just solidify in your mind what you don't want as well because some people think they want so many things but if you write it down for 30 days and you genuinely feel the emotions when you're writing this it's just something that's solidifying that you think you deserve you know? like it's really both for determining what you don't as well as what you do and just find everything and getting them to all sort of intruding to. You know, for example, I had one fine day after a day when we started working together, he wrote down, basically that you are still living. True, he lost his memories. He thought he wanted to be doing this over with his friends. He didn't want to die on the way down. He was lucky that he had some true resellability. He got into a remote job with a Finnish company, and he ended up going to law, or going to Finland, and literally... He was rather all the same and all taint to fruition. But then he continued to write it down that he wants to live in this thinnish nature. When after a while it just didn't feel like it was there anymore. So he doesn't write it down. You know I kind of ramble on here to an extent but it's just the process of writing it down that comes to fruition. You take action, you go to the country, you come back and you're like okay. It's not really in line with my goals anymore. I don't need to write it down. It did what it needed to do. It told me that actually I don't want to be there because I went there and I didn't get that feeling which I thought I was going to get. And you're closer now to finding where it is you actually want to be, you know, and it's just an iterating process, I think. I'm still trying to figure it out. My goals change frequently too, you know what I mean? I don't want to sound like an extra by any means of them. Far, far from it. But it's important. so yeah, I think people will find that very beneficial and useful. I know I'm, I'm interested in getting ideas and yeah, it really, it's really, it's really cool. You also mentioned mentioned meditation. Is that something you do on a regular basis? Every day, those days I free ass, don't get me wrong, those days it doesn't, it doesn't happen. But yeah, like for example, before I went to my cafe, before I came on air, I just do a quick 15, 20 minutes meditation. Ideally I would like to do 45 minutes to it all, because the reason why it's too last, it might seem a bit too much. Every couple of hours we have 15, 20 minutes, so we're there, yeah, to do these things. So that's... Another thing along with journey which I say is really instrumental when it comes to just becoming a bit more aware and becoming stuff like this. I'll be sure to stay across this again somewhat or in the same time I started journeying so books like the run for example, Shun Toll or Sam Harris Waking Up. I read his book and then download his Waking Up Meditation. In the beginning you're like Well, it's just like it. This doesn't work. It's just thoughts coming to mind and you're saying to yourself, I can't meditate and I'm unable to sit there and be in stillness for a second. Well, of course you can't, like, nobody can. But it's not until you realize the whole point of this is just the game. You're about to say to anyone, but just try to think. So next thought comes into your mind. Oops. Just see away a bit and watch it fade away. And again, it goes back to then applying that to the real world when... You're driving and someone cuts across you and you're like so, put the hand on the horn and you actually die again. You become aware. It's cheap me. Why I'm about to do my thoughts. Now send the strong son to meditation. There is far PC and it does, it is beneficial as difficult as I might be to find a student sometimes. Have you bound your head with the Sam Harris meditations? Do you? He does a meditation where he makes you look at an object and then... the virtue days. Yeah. When something's right, then it's... no. Okay, you weren't expecting that question. No, no, I... I thought you'd say... when you're looking at the other thing on the object, it's looking back at you and you need to... Yeah....ease. Yeah. The closest I can get is to like trying to picture myself in the third person. Put it that way. Yeah. But I'm sure we'll we'll get there at some point. Yeah, I'm sure with consistent practice you'll you won't find it. So yeah, so do you think, yeah, I meditate also and I think it's really beneficial and I find meditating consistently for 20 minutes a day, I'm like a completely different person. I'm just not anxious and very present and just a lot more like kind of joyful. What would you say to someone who's interested in getting into meditation, but they're kind of, they've tried it and they say it's not for me. Would you have any advice to someone? Because I find it very hard to just... to like say, you'll be more present than like what's present mean and then it's kind of abstract. It is very abstract and honestly, the thing, like immediate answer comes to mind because it is the sort of thing which a lot of people are simply going to do because you don't see instant results from it. And it can kind of feel very weird, but I would just say stick with this. Like there's a reason people do this. watch some podcasts or read some books on meditation, sleep, and your braille, you know, chemicals, lethal eye, this at all, but it's there, so I see you can read it and see the proof if you want or for others, just watch people, look at their journeys, look at how they were four years ago before they were talking about meditation or self -improvements and look at them now, like you can see progression, but just stick it out and... You know, it also doesn't have to be sitting on a cushion cross -legged every morning for 20 minutes. If you're sitting on the tube here in London or you're on the darts in Dublin, whatever it is, you know, just instead of listening to music or scrolling on your phone while you're sitting down, just close your eyes. You know, you don't have to take time out of your day to do it. Like you can do this at your day's progress day. And honestly, some of the most enjoyable times to do it on is the... You told your aunt was new, Pee - Pist. Yeah. But ultimately the more times you do that the more you become comfortable with it and the more you compare and the better you get, no son. Yeah, I would just say stick with it. Just - just be patient and watching you'll become more aware. I would take it. Sam H says, I don't know. No, it makes sense to me anyway, team. I get you. But yeah, I do it and I - I try to give out - lunchtime in the park beside my house here for like 10 -15 minutes. Yeah, you do notice like at the start when I started doing it in public, like I'm just become less conscious of people observing you and that does like that is like meditating is one thing, but then meditating public also has a kind of additional benefits, I think, because, you know, you just you you learn to react less to people and yeah, I basically in some way. I completely understand what you're saying. You also mentioned the power of the owl by Eckhart Tolle. I think that's probably my favourite book I've read. It really gives you a different perspective on my living in the owl. Before that kind of sounded kind of abstract to me, but he's a very interesting character, Eckhart Tolle. Yeah, I don't know too much about the guy in general to be honest aside from his book and I read other books of his too but look something like that I didn't understand the word in that book the first honestly the first two three times I read this I was probably like 21 22 and probably like 22 honestly before I read that book and I didn't understand the thing in this talking about being and presence and One who knew the fiction of God is another thing, sir. And no aggressions to what he was talking about. But the more I read this, the more I read other books, the more you kind of seem to get this. I still don't get this entirely, frankly. I'm still figuring on my own moves. Books like that, they do seem very, very spiritual, very odd. And you begin with to the outside world. And I find my suspicion, you know, that it is... the one book that people typically mention are almost like a source of a kind of derogatory app that was the one. The famous Perlman Tree as well is a huge advocate or let's say the one book she mentioned which, yeah, there's lots of books. I think that just says to the... Yeah, yeah, a lot of people. It was my friends told me to read it and I've told a few people to read it now. It's almost like... We have like a network of people who've read The Power of Now. So it's like you can almost have a different conversation. Yeah. Maybe that sounds a bit obnoxious, but to your point. Yeah. Obnoxious. But yeah, it's like and I still don't fully understand it, but like you kind of you grasp what he's saying. Yeah, it's very like and he writes, he almost speaks, he almost he speaks on or he writes almost in like parable. Yeah. Do have you ever had any like since? Since you kind of entered the whole world of archivorship, have you ever had any kind of setbacks or kind of moments then, hmm, maybe, maybe I shouldn't do this or any kind of scary moments? All the time. All the time, like, I left my corporate job at the end of December. I had a state of coaching clients from then who were paying me month to month, but it's still scary because it's not like you have these people locked into a 12-month contract to get a good income. Like, shit. Yeah, and even now, like, I don't know where the next penny is going to come from. I know it's going to come in. It might come in later today. It might come in in two weeks. It is. But you just have to kind of accept that, okay, this is this. What gives me confidence in knowing where I can escape is that the Japan or Shibuya in the mall is a salt. It's the alternative. The alternative is that, like, you know, I can see the final district here, one then, window, I can, like, usually almost pinpoint the building that I'd be at, okay? If this doesn't work, it's like, that's the alternative. The ultimate alternative that I'm going to allow. You know, so this is just how it is. You need to get comfortable with the fact that there's going to be ups, there's going to be downs. Armored, sonar, face to the beginning. Seriously, so far, it's all rosy, you know, and if I had met you at the beginning, thus, it looks as if I'm doing well. Persection is a bitch, that's what I'll say. You know, there's alarms. You need to take everything you see with a pinch of salt. Like, everything you see with a pinch of salt online, as well. Boss. yeah, there's lots of them. You just become comfortable with them by asking them, okay, what's the operative? The operative is go back to a nine to five, which might be fine. Like I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on and that at all. They can be extremely valuable for some great people. But if you ever want to go back to that, it gives you comfort saying, okay, this is just, it's quite the work. There is no alter. And like, have you got pushback from your parents? Have any of your mates kind of said, have you like... Maybe at the start, like, did you, did any of your social group kind of judge you a bit or kind of advise you to not pursue entrepreneurship? People, there's a couple of people in my work environment, they were saying, you know, Keon don't underestimate the power range like a base salary, consistent income coming through each month. You know, and there's a lot of burden when you have to look after your own company, setting up path structures, all of this sort of stuff. But, you know, those are people a lot older than me who was, I didn't exactly look at them, Satan sucked right, you're living a life that I want. to live so I took that with a pinch of salt. When I looked closer to home, not my family were always supportive of what I do and it's the friends that I have. Honestly, 95 % of the friends that I get out of Asia saw it stay, living the life which I wanted to live. I've become familiar with kind of with these people even still is getting into these rooms for sleeping in the transition. The people I speak with on a regular basis were nothing but encouraging me. If anything, they would say like you need to do it. But the goals you have for what you want to do with the people you want to help you owe it to yourself and them to quit this job and go all in on yourself. So that they're supportive. Yeah, really interesting. Again, Keenan, I think you've given like some really valuable information on like the whole framework of getting into entrepreneurship through like networking and like dealing with doubts and analyzing. I thought that was a really good point, like what's the alternative? Like when you said that I was like yeah that's so true actually. Yeah that was super informative. If you met your 18 year old self Keen, coming out, going into UCC, what advice would you give to him? I mean I don't want to say I would like change everything that I went through at all because I've been with my child in university, there was a lot of good moments seeing this stuff like this. I would just say... Trades to growth where you want to be a bit more what you want to do genuinely like honestly I would start practices such as journaling just minutes Just doing things like this bit of me. This is the sleep You know, it's like they call it self-discovery, it's in your about section, you know, just try to kind of think of yourself out a bit more. You're having a lot of deal with it, it's a happy thing. But, just become a bit more open -seem on traditional roots, you know? And, everybody has savoured creators, savoured authors, savoured whatever. And all of these people are inside the box. I studied them, every day got to where they wanted to go. No. Yeah, I think you'd be with more of any rage here, you know? They're not accountants, like, they're not lawyers in the court city. You might respect them, sure, but you probably don't, like, study them and they need a show or it's probably someone like an art was here or someone. You know, maybe, easy shit. Hold, sir, when I'm, like, studying the people here, you shouldn't be like, understand? Well, where should I look and see? Yeah. If something that piques your interest, then chop. like travel is important. I think solo travel is very beneficial. I would also leave like in hindsight I probably would say to myself if I was to go to university again and do it maybe not so much in a different country but at least in a different city. I think it's good to get away from home to get uncomfortable put yourself in a new environment early on because it's always to do two operatives and just stuff you're completely on the way to begin with and be comfortable as soon as possible. requirement to have them letting us to grow. I'm actually a lot of things here. I don't want to say I would change on much, but just starting to share with exploring the sovereign yourself. Keen, you're a really insightful guy. If somebody just points out a few things noted from what she said there, I'm personally really excited to see how far you'll go with your coaching business and what our venture is you get involved in. Yeah, it was super and forward conversation and really appreciate you coming on the podcast today. Likewise, John, privilege to be on the service stage. No doubt you're going to, you're going to skyrocket. I appreciate it. Pleasure is all mine.