Business & BullSh** Part 1: Exploring Obsession and Authenticity in Startup Entrepreneurship

In this insightful episode of The Un-Traditional Entrepreneur, host Juming Delmas and guest Sylvester Thompson dive deep into the startup reality and the authentic struggles behind entrepreneurship. They explore the fine line between passion-driven obsession and burnout, unpacking what it truly means to embrace healthy obsession in the world of startup entrepreneurship.

Listeners gain valuable insight into the culture of startups, the challenges Black founders face, and the importance of authenticity over superficial representation. Through candid real talk filled with humor and honest reflections, Juming and Sylvester discuss how entrepreneurs can balance discipline, sacrifice, and purpose to build not just businesses, but lasting legacies.

Whether you’re a creator or entrepreneur navigating the ups and downs of the startup world, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on what it truly takes to thrive. Tune in for an authentic conversation about the realities of entrepreneurship that every founder should hear.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Take a detour and go back to the old me. Leave it, leave it where it is in the past.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

I don't want to go back to the old me. This is who I am. Listen, let me tell you something. The old me was absolutely reckless and ratchet. The old me wouldn't be sitting in front of on a desk in front of a microphone and a computer screen. The old me will be out in the trenches.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

But I I consider you somewhat of a mentor. You've got that tunnel vision that makes you a successful entrepreneur. But I think sometimes the tunnel vision and the not an obsession, but that discipline makes it hard to relate to other people who don't have it.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

If you got a bad attitude, I don't deal with that bullshit. If you have accountability issues, I don't deal with that bullshit. If you make excuses, I don't deal with that bullshit. We come here, we work, we do what we gotta do, we go home. Kobe Bryant said his best. He said, is the job finished? Job not done? We keep working. I appreciate your friendship. I think that you're one of the most honest people around that I have. Are you putting lotion on your hands? I am. I look bad. You do. We need to fix your camera. Your ankles was looking bad too this week when you were sitting. I was like, Jesus Lord. All right, what's up everybody? Welcome back to the Untraditional Entrepreneur Podcast. I'm your host, Jameen Domez, where we sit down and talk with entrepreneurs and talk about the real struggles of being an entrepreneur. In today's episode, we have Mr. Sylvester Stallone. Psych just kidding. His name is just Sylvester Thompson, where we're going to be talking about some real struggles as an entrepreneur, but more importantly, you know, the lack of representation of black founders in the tech space. You know, starting a business is already difficult, but entering into the tech industry can feel even more challenging when you don't see many people who look like you in the room. So we will be focusing a lot on the challenges of business tech, why more black entrepreneurs aren't entering into tech spaces, and the barriers many founders face when trying to break in. How mentorship and exposure can change the game and also why representation matters for the next generation. This episode is honest, thoughtful, and full of insightfulness for you guys to tune in. Thank you guys for tuning in, and I'm your host, Jeremy Domus. Welcome to the other side of motivation. Let's dive in. Well, thank you, Jamie. I didn't even say thank you for joining the show because you didn't allow me say that. So I'm not gonna say it now.

SPEAKER_04 3:01

Well, to the audience out there, thank you. But one thing I did want to correct with uh not really even correct, but just to a point of clarification. Uh you said about representation. The thing of it is authentic representation, I think is that that's a very important distinction. Um because there's a lot of stuff out there, and you gotta subs be able to separate the real stuff from the the BS. And unfortunately, a lot of people kind of fall victim to the BS. So anyway, authentic representation. That would be the only caveat that I I would have I would have added.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Otherwise, thanks for correcting it. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. That's if we're talking about correction, then your name on the studio is spelled wrong. You got to S. Oh, damn, it sure is.

SPEAKER_04 3:49

So let's talk about correct because I can't spell but dude, I was in a hurry.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

But you can correct me. No, they have sure. Sure, sure, sure. This is other than one, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:58

So I can cut.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, real quick, before we dive too deep in, why are you Ubering for this?

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Okay, the truck was acting squirrely yesterday, so I just had it brought back to the house. And I just I think what does that mean? It means I'm getting want to spend get greasy this morning, trying to figure it out. I know what the problem is. Uh stopped by a little bit. Uh diesel station, and I just think I got some very unclean fuel because as soon as I pulled out and got back in traffic, they just started skipping and doing some very uncharacteristic things. Considering the fact that everything in the engine is pretty much brand new. So, anyway. So I just kind of put out fuel treatment and it kind of run it through to clean it out.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

I just didn't have to. You want to correct me on my grammatical errors, but you can't want to correct the spelling of your name, and you can't correctly put fuel in your truck.

SPEAKER_04 4:53

No, the diesel, the quality. Um I went to one of the new Wawa stations and it just kind of and I've never had any problems, and I got no problem naming vendors. So you're blaming Wawa for your bad.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

I damn sure wouldn't budget. I go to Wawa all the time because he's top of the notch. So I think moving moving on, I use them all the time. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

All right, listen, before I'm not uh listen, this is this is a tech, this is a tech space. Isn't like isn't like cars, like I guess it's mechanic. But listen, all right. So listen, before I dive too deep.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

That's where you're trying to go.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

One, your camera quality that's okay. Camera quality looks terrible. I start with that. But I'm not here to it looks crazy. You look blue, but I'm not here to do that.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

That's the light, that's well, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

That's the accent painting, uh, which does have a that has nothing to do with the painting. Okay, Sylvester. I'm trying to help you.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Or maybe you are to be from Mars.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

You're a tech guy, so you should be known.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

So there.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

Oh, geez, I'm being a tech guy is not the same as being a cinematographer, sir. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

I know that. That's correct. But technically, it's technical.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

I don't know. You know, I don't just the tech guy is a dude that's running around and could you stop messing with the camera from the geek squad. I'm not that guy. Could you stop messing with the camera?

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I'm not messing with the camera, I'm messing with the monitor. Okay. So, anyhow, so question for you. So, wait, you before we jumped on the show, you said a couple of things, and now we're gonna address it. You said I'd be on my solo podcast going on a tangent, and that you think some of the things that I say is BS. Is there anything in particular that you can do?

SPEAKER_03 6:45

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

No, no, no, no, no, no. Is there anything you're referring to, sir, and specifically?

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Well, I do it just seems like there's some things you're very, very good at. And then there's some things you talk about, and I'm like, it's almost like it's beneath you.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

All right, you left with beneath me. Okay, so you says, that I talk about can you hear me?

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Yeah, I can hear you, sir. Okay, so the episode about, and I actually listened to it 90%. No, I listened to two of your episodes this morning. One of them was the one why actors go broke, and it was like you're sitting there talking to a mannequin. And I'm like, why is he even doing this? This is why are you wasting your energy? You know, and then the one you did with uh was it is it David Shands or Sands? Yeah, yeah, which I thought was which which is you're a lot more mainstream than you like to give yourself credit for, is what I would say. So I think you kind of sometimes appeal to certain segments of the the your audience uh to the dismay and dysfunction of the other larger, more mainstream part of your audience. But that's just I appreciate it. My question to you is Can I let can I one can I interject one more word? Oh my lordy. Go ahead. Leave leave the leave the n-works where you found them. You you yeah, leave them people where you found them. What what what are you talking about? I how many of your 40, 60, 70,000 members, followers, are from that other series of podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

First of all, first of all, what are you telling me to leave my the are you telling me to leave the people that I bring on the show alone or leave the word alone altogether? I'm confused.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

No, leave some of the initial followers alone because you kind of evolve, and you're this seems to be like the second or third iteration. This one is much more your speed, but you still got a little bit of hood element to it, and you're trying to keep it's like it's like you're going down Main Street, but you like kind of like want to take a detour and go back to the old you. Leave it, leave it, leave the leave it, leave it where it is in the past.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

I don't want to go back to the old me. This is who I am. Listen, let me tell you something. The old me was absolutely reckless and ratchet. The old me wouldn't be sitting in front of on a desk in front of a microphone and a computer screen. The old me will be out in the trenches.

SPEAKER_05 9:18

Okay. Like I hear you.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

I didn't like like I didn't like computer related stuff at all. The old me, hey, listen, I used to smoke black and miles and weed. I don't smoke weed anymore. I don't, and I don't smoke black and miles either. But back in the days of the city. We've evolved.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

We've evolved.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

I've evolved. I've evolved.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Oh, there yeah, see? I trained you well.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Yeah, you've you've got me now on cigars. This, by the way, uh to everybody out there, this is my male who got me on cigars. He was the he's the reason I smoke cancer sticks now. Are you putting a lotion on your hands? I am, I look bad. You do. You need to fix your camera. Your ankles was looking bad too this week when you were sitting. I was like, Jesus Lord.

SPEAKER_05 10:11

Well, I know people can get it. Can we can we move on? Okay, moving on.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Moving on. Listen, please. I appreciate your friendship. I think that you're one of the most honest people around that I have. And you know, I used to tell I used to tell people you're my acquaintance. Now I could say I think that I would consider you like a friend.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

No, I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

I think you have across the friend zone.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

Even though there's a little bit of an age gap, uh it's which is kind of ironic.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

That's not a little bit of age gap. We have a little bit of a company. Take the compliment. Take the compliment. We just want to break it back real quick. There's not a little bit of age gap here. There's there's it's a big gap here. Yeah. Well, fortunately, anywho.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Big gap.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

The point being is that my grandmother would have been your age, but go ahead. Who knows? In a different place and a different time, you could have been my son. But anywho, uh, because y'all are about the same age. Um, but I I consider you somewhat of a mentor. It's you know, the the roles the young guy teaches the old guy a thing or two. Um, and you certainly, contrary to your LinkedIn post, uh, because everything in here, uh the more creative aspects of it are probably inspired by you, as I recall.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Uh pause for a second. Do not say that with your camera looking the way it looked. What's wrong with my camera, man? I told you earlier you look blue. I do have a YouTuber. You look blue. You have to turn down that um your uh what do you call your Kelvin? Your Kelvin, you need to turn it to like the 300, 3500. What are you not on the show? Lord have mercy. Why not? Sly. We're already on the show.

unknown 11:49

Why not?

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Okay, turn the Kelvin to an orange, and it should be more like in the oh god.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

Who the hell's a Kelvin?

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Don't worry about it. Just yeah, please turn it down. You're messing me up. You look great here. I was venting, you fucked it up. Now I'm no longer venting anymore. I'm I've done venting. Yeah. It's it's actually not. It's you know, at all. But that's neither here nor there. Listen, listen. Um, I know you don't agree with my relationship. Uh what are we talking about? Maybe I've got you mixed up with another friend. My current relationship. How do you feel about my current relationship?

SPEAKER_04 12:32

Is that something you want to talk about on air? I think she's a beautiful young lady. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

I know she is.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

Yeah. Yeah. Is that it? Well, I mean, you know, I I I I I do wonder what what's taking you so long. Why are you being so indecisive, but that's you know what's taking me so long for what? Just go pull the trigger, man. If that's what you want, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Pulled what trigger, like boom, boom, boom. What are you talking about? Just put away.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

And I think you have I think you have commitment issues too.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

I have commitment issues. Talk to me. Talk talk to me, old mentor. What commitment issue?

SPEAKER_04 13:07

No, I think you got commitment. Hey, listen, dude. I if you look at if you knew the debris field that is my life in terms of relationships, trust me, evil recognizes evil. See, I see all the symptoms. Uh, you you are definitely uh you know, got a certain commitment bias or phobia.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Interesting. I commit to my business, as well. You should. You're young. Well, so then I don't have commitment issues.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

No, that's you. Well, you have a discipline uh about you, which is a good thing because a lot of young brothers your age don't. Um, you know, you're committed to your craft, which actually I I still don't believe is podcasting. Um, I think you're a much better uh movie maker than you are a podcaster, but anyway.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Yeah, but I mean I feel like movie making is get I mean, podcast is now getting into the air. I mean, it's all still the same stuff. It's like filming, it's the recording, it's the whole nine yards, it's all of the above. You know what I'm saying? So it still ties into the whole storytelling. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

So I mean, you're a solid dude. You I mean your politics is a little bit fucked up, but my politics?

SPEAKER_00 14:18

What politics?

SPEAKER_04 14:19

Yeah, anyway. I'm in a good no, we're gonna go there.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

What politics?

SPEAKER_04 14:23

I just listen, I've already cut some mother effort out uh yesterday or saying some stupid shit.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Uh what does that gotta do with me and my politics?

SPEAKER_04 14:31

I just don't want to talk about it. We're not doing we're not doing that this morning.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Well, I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

Well, I'll talk about it. Okay. It's your podcast. The good shit's probably my stuff's probably gonna get not gonna pass the edits anyway, so I could probably say whatever I want. That's what I'm saying. You're gonna cut it out, so you know it's gonna get stuff gonna get cut in.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

I might as well cuss because it's not gonna see.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Well, could you just please tell me your viewpoints on my politics so that I can help grow? Because if you're my real friend, you would help me grow in areas that you think that I need to grow in. Please almighty one.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

I I fully understand where you come from because you're one of those guys, you literally pulled yourself up by the bootstraps from what you've shared with me, shared with me about your life story, right? Um, I think you became emancipated, uh independent on your own at what 14. I've heard you say. So you've got a very different and a very unique worldview. Um, and and and for people who've done it and people who got it, a lot of times they don't understand and have a hard time relating to people who don't have that it factor, who haven't been able to duplicate the same things that you've been able to do. Well, if I can do this, I read at 14, I went out, da da da da, and I went out and built a successful uh acting or entertainment career, and uh, you know, gone to school. I've got you know master's degrees, you albeit in fine arts or an FSU, but you know, everybody's gotta be from somewhere. Um, you know, and you you I won't say a lack of empathy, but it's just you've got that tunnel vision that makes you a successful entrepreneur. But I think sometimes the tunnel vision and the not an obsession, but that discipline makes it hard to relate to other people who don't have those same qualities.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Yeah, no, I have an obsession for sure. I had looked, I looked it up.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Um maybe maybe a little bit of OCD obsession.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

No, I have an obsession. I was looking it up. I looked it up the other day, and like I have a really bad obsession with work. You gotta like well, like I I didn't go to bed last night till 12 45 a.m. I woke up the night that morning, the night the morning before at 4 a.m. I worked all day yesterday, and then I'm here today on a Sunday working on here with you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I woke up at 6 today, so I got to go.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

You should have called me. We could have done this at 6 this morning. But one of the reasons I'm here at the office is because I didn't have the camera at the house and I didn't want to do it with it.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

You know, your iPhone camera probably would have looked better than this shit. This is terrible, yeah. You know, but hey, you know, I ain't here to judge. I'm just here to to run the show, you know. That shit look ass terrible. Anybody who's just listening to the podcast, please watch the YouTube. You guys will see what I'm talking about. I promise you, my editor cannot fix this.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

Well, the next time you're in the building, you can come. And the light settings were exactly what you set them to.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

This is not what I set you up for. I know I know I know what you look like when I left. But even though that was like four months ago, that's still but dude, that was well into last year. These lights have been there for some time. I know it's been over four months. Well, uh, yeah, you're right. It was like because yeah, four months ago is like November. Yeah, it was before that too. Yeah, yeah. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

So if if it's blue, it's because you did it.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

I did not set your shit up to be blue. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

These lights have not been changed.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Why would why would I set you up to look like that? That's crazy. Bruh, the lights, it anywho, but you are what they are. All right, anyways, going back to our main point that we were talking about about my tunnel vision. Listen, I think like that's how most of the people.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

But that also gets in the way of relationships, too. And I know that before what tunnel vision? The obsession, the business. A business is a is a very unforgiving mistress. I mean, it takes your time, it can very often take a lot of your money. Uh, and you know, if you're lucky, you get to enjoy some of the fruits of your labors, but that's not. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

You said you say at times it takes up a lot of your money. Business takes up all of your money all the time. Like, I mean, there's payroll, like that's something you have to like that's part of what you have to look forward to. Like it always takes your money.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

There's something like having to send$14,000 to people that you don't necessarily like sometimes. Yeah, and have to fire people I don't like.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

If I don't like them, I'm not gonna put up with that bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Yeah, well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

If I don't, if I don't like them, I'm not gonna put up with the bullshit. If I don't if they don't work hard, I'm not gonna put up with the bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

And that's why I don't work with these people anymore, even though we are still organized as business partners.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Yeah, I don't I don't deal with bad attitudes either. If you got a bad attitude, I don't deal with that bullshit. If you have accountability issues, I don't deal with that bullshit. If you make excuses, I don't deal with that bullshit. Like we come here, we come here, we work, we do what we gotta do, we go home. That's it. I and what's crazy is I know I have an obsession, and I don't expect everybody else to work the way I work, but when you come to work, at least work. Like do your do your part, you know.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Yeah, but that that fire in your gut, and sometimes it's hard to turn that off, right? So that's why you're waking up at four o'clock in the morning, go into bed at one o'clock in the morning, get three, four hours sleep, wake up.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

You're muted sly. Oh, my phone. Say that. No, you you're back. Go ahead. What'd you say now? You say four o'clock in the morning to wake up.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

Just that the 18-hour days, and and and you know, that that you know, that's what that is. I mean, that's why, you know, uh it is. So as an entrepreneur, you just gotta find that balance in how you manage your relationships, family, your personal relationship in the business. And there's no necessarily a balance. I believe there's an integration. You've got to learn how to integrate those three parts of your life in a way that you don't kill yourself or drive yourself crazy. Well, the thing is, one, but that's just from my own experience. I don't I'm not a therapist. And if I was, I wouldn't be yours.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

I wouldn't let you be mine. I wouldn't pay you to be my therapist. I appreciate it. Yeah, looking at your camera quality, I would never do that. The second thing is, what does that got to do with my politics? That you say that you think that my politics are all about.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

No, no, no, because that shapes your worldview. Like that shapes your that shapes your worldview. That saves how you see Gil treat and interact with other people who aren't as capable, who aren't as independent as you are.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Well, that's because at the end of the day, I don't really deal with lazy people. I just don't. And I like, and I know that viewpoint's fucked up, but like I just don't deal with lazy people. I just don't. I like I can't be around.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

Unfortunately, and I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

I but I can't be around stupid people either.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

If I think that it's like sorry, as my mama used to tell me, it's like, son, unless you plan on living on this planet by yourself. Now you gotta deal with them. You don't necessarily have to work with them, and you certainly don't have to deal with them. But yeah, and I agree with that. That lack of empathy. And I get it. I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

I get it. You know, I I I can understand your point of view, like as far as that. Will that change? Probably not. It will.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

As you get older, it's a change.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

It will change. Listen, I think Kobe Bryant said his best. He said, Is the job finished? Job not done? We keep working. Like, if job ain't finished, I mean, the only time I would let it get to that point where I it it it slacks up is when the job is done.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

When the as long as you live in the job is never done, your your responsibility is to learn how to enjoy the process. The success isn't the end of the road, the success lies in the journey. And in that you can build, maintain, and have very good, very healthy, very positive relationships. Now, your original question was before you segue into the political thing was if I understood you correctly, you asked me what I think of your relationship. I think she's a wonderful lady.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

I'd sometimes question I didn't say what do you think of my woman? And this is see, you don't even answer questions. I said relationship, not my woman.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

I do question her judgment and taste in men, but you know, there's somebody from that aside, that aside, you know. I just, you know, just let me know what the big thing is, the big occasion, and I'll be.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

No, she's actually a really great woman, you know, one of the best. I always tell her she's one of the best I've ever had, for sure. And the reason why I ask that is because um oftentimes when people are in entrepreneurship, it's really important to have the right people in your corner.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

It's not for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Well, it's not for everybody, people in your corner?

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Well, uh sometimes, but um the um the entrepreneur the journey, uh, entrepreneurship, entrepreneurial ship. It it it everybody can do it. Everybody can do it.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yeah. I know everybody has to be a level of like there has to be a level of mentality first that has to happen before the actual work. Most people go into the work before the mentality, and I think the mentality comes first.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

Um I I'd have to probably give that some thought, but I think it's one of that that that core belief, that core whatever, that that intangible thing that you can't really describe. Honestly, I I think you're born with it. Um I think you can get there if you're not born with it. I think you could acquire it, but it's it's it's almost instinctive, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

And so you think that entrepreneurs is an extinctive trait to have?

SPEAKER_04 25:10

I think to some extent, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

I think you're born with that gene. I believe that too, because I I think that in order to be Does everybody can do it? No, and the thing is everybody can open a business, though. But and I'm assuming if you saw the business, if you saw the talk that I did with David Shannon and his argument was every any like entrepreneurship is for everybody. And I still stood by what I said that entrepreneurship is not for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

No, I I would disagree with his statement. And the reason being, now, like you said, everybody can open a business. Now, there's everybody's not built for the corner office. I mean, there are people who can manage and delegate and work a job and have some mid-level senior level responsibility. But that's at best, you're still an employee. Maybe you've got a glorified, maybe you're a well-paid employee. But if you, you know, if if you don't make those persons, those payroll deposits, uh, and there's and listen, that anxiety of having to pay somebody else's salary, somebody else who may be married, someone else who may be married and have family, someone else who may be married, have family at a mortgage, someone else who's married has a family, a mortgage, and kids away in college, and they're depending on your paycheck to to make all those things in their life work. And you know, the end of the bi-weekly period or the end of the month, and the the money's looking funny, but you still but those people you've got a responsibility to those people. So you gotta pay those people, yeah. Yeah, I mean, and that's that's that's a certain level of tension that right. So if you can't entrepreneurship reproduce, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

In entrepreneurship, you're taking care of multiple people, like you have to worry about multiple people. Because sometimes those people will get paid and eat and their families will be taken care of before yours. Yeah, and that's why entrepreneurship is hard. That's why I think it's for everybody because everybody's no, it's not like some people no, some people need to get up delegates to work and just get their direct deposit every two weeks. Ain't nothing wrong with that. No, and I, you know, on this podcast, I try to promote like ain't nothing, there's nothing wrong with it. Because I would agree with you on this, but I don't know why you would not understand the piece that I made. I do agree that entrepreneurship is something that's just built in people. I think some people just, I mean, it's just comes natural. And you would know that even from a young age. Like, I, you know, like I said, I left a young age. I mean, I knew that I could, and the the key thing to entrepreneurship is problem solving. Like you have to be okay with struggling. You have to be able to cope, you have to cope well with struggling to be an entrepreneur because there's got there's gonna be you know, there's gonna be a lot of times where you have personal things going on, you have other things going on, but you still have to keep the business in limbo. Like you can't stop, like you have to be able to manage hurt and struggle, even as an entrepreneur. Like when you when you got a job, you can sit there if you end a relationship, you can sit there, go to work, get out of work, go home and cry all day. You can't do that shit in entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

You gotta, you know, it it it can't, man. You still have to have you have to be able to cope with wife's intersections.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Differently, it's different though. It's different. I worked a job and I worked entrepreneurship is different. You it's not the same. It's not the same.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

No, but there's some there are some things, but you have to learn how to one trust the process. What process? The journey, the whole entrepreneurial.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

So the fact that you have your phone on and now have it on silent while we're on this podcast is like.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

What if you just call somebody on a Sunday at 1211?

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah, for the fucking thing. That's your butt that was your spot. It's literally gonna piss me out by the way.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

That was your space opponent. Yeah, he's back in town for a little bit. Yeah, I need to go holler at him. But listen, anyhow. But as I was saying, um, you know, you could do this. You you've got to trust the process, the journey. You know, uh years ago, I'd go on vacation, I'd take my work with me. Because just in case, you know, you can't really enjoy your vacation, you're half-assed paying attention to your business and the work, but then it's like, you know what? Next year when I go on vacation, I'm shutting it all down, and it was the best vacation I ever had. Job not finished. Well, again, in life, the job is never finished until you sell out, you sell your business, liquidate your assets, and you decide to retire.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

My thing is job be finished when I can hire everybody. Well, what is the job? Everything.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

What is the job? Let me tell you what is that's like this.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Let me let me tell you. Job that you're in search of. Hello, hello, I'm talking, I'm talking. Thank you. Job finished when I'm able to hire people to do all the facets of the company that I no longer need to touch. That's when the job is finished. When and right now, I'm I'm even now I'm I do I I have two new people that start tomorrow, and then I'm looking for one other position that I'm hiring for now. And that's going to take up 80% of the things that I do, right? 80%. So that's all done.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

When you say take up, you mean that's gonna free the percent?

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Free up, free up 80% of what I do, yeah. So what that means for me is now the next position that I uh hire for, it'll be basically this project manager who oversees everything that I do. Like that what I will, you know, who's gonna do basically what I'm doing. But more importantly, it's going to be like um for me, um, I mean, I'll still connect with the the manager or the overseer, whatever cases, see where everything's going, but I won't have as much work to do. Um and knowing me, I might find something else to get into because not like another business, but ways of growing the business. Because right now, there's a system. We grow the system, and then it's like, okay, how do we get now the company to the next level? Because I have goals for the company. Job not done, job done. I can't play right now. Jobs is not done. Now, don't get me wrong, like, you know, at times, you know, we you know, I go out to E. We go out to you know, out of town, you know, for like a day or two, whatever, but like, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

You went out of town for one day.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

No, we we that that that was.

SPEAKER_04 31:34

That was the story that I was told. You went on vacation, but it was only one day.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Had to get back to work, right? I had to get back to it.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

And and it's sure you'd be better off taking the work with you and just doing it remembering.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

I was there working too. I was working on vacation too.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Well, and I've done all those things, man, but I just decided as you get older, you know, you go to a couple funerals, you bury people in your life. It's like, you know what? Work's gonna be there. And the reason it's called work because all the other good four-letter words are taken, you know?

SPEAKER_00 32:10

But the thing is, you gotta remember why people do it. And it's not like it's like, I don't worry about like, you know, you know, everybody's gonna die, and I don't want to spend my life just working. I need to go out and have fun. Work is fun for me. You know, it is fun. Like, I I I literally enjoy what I do. Like, I was at the theme park and I was like, damn, I'm ready to go back to work. I I have more fun at work than I do oftentimes. But more importantly, my biggest why is like my legacy. My, you know, what what do I leave behind? Like my biggest, my my other biggest thing is like, what do what do I leave for the next generation after me? Like that to me, if you know, if I die, like that's like the fulfillment for me is what am I leaving the next generation of.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

I think that's what drives a lot of entrepreneurs. I mean, you know, then having the money is good. When it works, the process, the money is good and very good. But aside from the financial independence, taking back those hours in your life, um, and having some autonomy in how you go. I mean, you come by the office building and you know, in your little ashy crocs or whatever those little shoes you wear, you know. Um, you know, you chill, jump on your little four by what does he call that thing? Your little trail rider thing. Yeah, side by side. You've given yourself space and opportunity um to, you know, who wants to die at work, man? Enjoy it, enjoy the fruits of your labor.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Yeah, and I do. I enjoy what I do. More importantly, I enjoy what I'm leaving behind. Yeah. Because I think to me, if I die, what I leave behind is also just as important.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

Because, like, you know, but but you but you're in a creative space. How does that function independently and separately from you?

SPEAKER_00 34:04

And so, I mean, that'll be hard because like, you know, I am the brand. Jamie Delhi. Yeah, I mean, you can yeah, you can't bequeath your creative to your children. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But what happens is you still build a foundation because the thing is, I have a podcast, UTE's a podcast, but I also have a uh you know, have a podcast network that doesn't require me in it, it requires a team. Okay, you know what I mean? So for me, it's like even if I'm gone, UTE dies, not the podcast network.

SPEAKER_05 34:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

You know, and and and still you'll still be, you know, once you know royalties come in on UTE, that's income that comes to my family. My biggest thing is, man, it's not even about me, it's just about what I leave behind. And then like when the job is done, then I relax, then I play. But right now, job ain't done. It's a lot of work to be done. Like, people have been doing this shit for 20 years, 30 years. Job ain't done. You know? Anyways, I I said I asked you about my relationship because I wanted to talk about you for a second. So, since we out here talking about the grapevine and people telling you about my one-day vacation and shit like that. It's the same people be saying to me, you know, Sly has it, but he's not gonna go out there and get it. You know what I think, Sly? I think like, let me ask you this here before I tell you what I think. What do you think your biggest struggle is as an entrepreneur? What is your biggest struggle? You don't need that much thinking.

SPEAKER_04 35:56

The challenge, it's just not even the consistency, but just the the grind, the marketing, the branding, uh, the business and the work. That's easy. It's all the other stuff. And so what I work to do is to build and maintain systems. What other stuff? The payroll, the taxes, the the administrative, um, sometimes managing contracts and relationships of other full-grown professionals. Um, that stuff can be training. But once you've got a project, you've got a client, um, and then actually going and and doing the work, that's the easy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Man, bro, I didn't ask that. I asked, what's your biggest challenge?

SPEAKER_04 36:43

That's the biggest challenge. What is that? The administrative part of it. And I'm I'm actually pretty good at it, but it takes up a lot of time, it takes up a lot of energy.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

No, I think you said it in the beginning. Well, you said you you debunked it and said it's not the consistency, and I think that's exactly what it is. I think it's the consistency. I think you lack consistency for sure.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

Yeah, and you're entitled to that, but I've got a third track record that might suggest otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

It doesn't matter how long the track record is. I know a guy who's been in business for 25 years and he's his only employee. I know a dude who's been in business for 40 years, he's his only employee. Hang on. This wasn't this wasn't up for you. No, no, we're not doing that. No, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. This ain't for you to take a defense to it. My thing is. And I'm not taking a defense, I'm just correct. You can be in defense. No, there is no difference. Your narrative is whack. It's it's not a narrative, it's an observation. You give you give me you give me observations, and I sit here and I listen to it. So sit here and listen to my observation.

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Even though your observations I see you twice in a 30-day period.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

Sometimes once sometimes once what are you talking about? Sometimes zero. Is Janine still alive? Where'd you mean?

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Everybody seen Jamene?

SPEAKER_00 37:55

First of all, you see me more times than most people. Some people don't see me for months. I don't know. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's a great thing. It's a great thing. I I I love my solitude. But, anyways, consistency. I think that's what it is. I think there's a lack of consistency. And what lack of consistency means is rather you want to do the work or not, you still know it has to get done. So you have to be consistent at doing it. It's being consistent at doing the things you don't want to do, not just the things you want to do. And to be fair, most entrepreneurs or business owners have that same issue is they lack consistency and lacking consistency, meaning not doing the things they know that needs to get taken care of. They push it off or brush it off to the side instead of handling it or hiring somebody to do it.

SPEAKER_04 38:46

And I've been on both sides of the equation, but my preference is if you've got good systems, reliable, repeatable processes that can easily or better defeat the uh malaise that might set in. Um, so it's important to have some systems that support you in your business.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

And I'm like, what does the system have to do with the consistency?

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Because even if I have an off day, my widgets, my agents, whether it be uh retainers, people that I pay to do a job.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Okay, so then there that's what I just said, because I said that the consistency, like the uh the only thing to get debunked that consistency is hiring people to do the job. So you hire them.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

You can automate a lot of that stuff. A lot of it can be, and to the extent that I could, I did. And then when you can't, you just put new people in there. So in that way, I think you could with things.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Do you think you well? I said lack of consistency too, because you were supposed to have start a podcast, you started a podcast, a little something, and it was just that consistency that didn't keep pushing for it. There's nothing to work on. First of all, look at your lighting. There's no way you're working on it when you look like this and you've had your equipment for four or five months now. Shut up. I'm just saying. Anywho, I'm not going there with you right now. I'm going there. So you don't scare me. Shit. All right. Stay in your way, class, little man. I I done told you four or five times. You do not, you do not intimidate me. I done told you that now.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

Oh, it's not oh, the goal is not to intimidate you, grasshopper. That is not, that is not what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

That is not what we're doing. I say lack of consistency, meaning you you you start something, you don't finish it. Finish it out. I feel like you don't finish it.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

And that's that's one thing. I can I got like four more, but I ain't gonna do it on the podcast because I can do it if you want me to. If you say fire off, I'm firing off. I'm good, bro. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

You are so let me say this. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So we just gonna leave it at that.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

What does that mean? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Yeah, just move that means we're moving on.

SPEAKER_04 40:59

Who lives in the money? We're moving off. Moving off.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Moving off. And first of all, if I live in a glass house and I'm throwing a stone, my glass house is gonna be call your grandmother.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Ask your grandmother.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

My grandmother's not here anymore.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Ah, well, I am sorry.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Um yeah, I'll look it up on Google. Not right now.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

Don't call an elder, another elder or senior in your life.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Right. I mean, I can kind of get an idea of what it means. If those who live in a glass house shouldn't throw stones, it sounds like it's saying you're you it's almost saying like you think that I have an issue with consistency. That I should throw. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

I mean, no, well, not even consistency. Um, no, maybe we all, well, let's just say this. We can all agree, or perhaps we can agree that we all have issues. That might be the better thing to say.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Yeah, we all have issues. Fair enough. You know what my do that? You know what my biggest issue is? People skills. It's certainly not introspection, but go ahead. People skills. I have terrible people skills. Like, great work ethic, great, great, you know, but like I am very firm with people.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

Like that doesn't surprise me though, but that that sounds very consistent with that worldview that we talked about, or how you arrive at the worldview, your life's journey. That that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

And I know that's like one of my biggest issues is you know, being able to cope and connect with people outside of just, hey, this is what we need to do. So my people skills is ass terrible. I know that. And I know that's something I need to work on. I don't have consistency issues, I don't have uh drive issues, I don't have work ethic issues, I have people skill issues. Like the moment I don't fuck with somebody, that's it. I'm not, I don't, I'm not, I'm just not dealing with them. I don't know how to necessarily cope and deal with people I don't know how to work with or don't necessarily like like that. So I'm just like, easiest thing to do, get them out of my life. Get them out of my circle. I don't have to deal with them. And I know that that's gonna be important to have because there might be somebody I might not like or agree with, but they're gonna kill the fucking job. Like they're gonna, I'm gonna need them. So that's the that's the weak point, is understanding that. But see, the thing is, I'm able to identify my issues, and we all have problems. And mine's is the ability to deal with people.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

It might also speak to a lack of empathy with those same people.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Yeah, I don't know if I'm I don't know if it's I don't know if I lack empathy. I just I just don't take excuses. Because when empathy sounds like excuse, it becomes a problem for me. Because like if someone tells me, hey, just want to let you know my grandmother died uh two days ago, like there's empathy that I get like, all right, hey, look. Like, for example, my I had my my videographer, I mean her or my My editor, he comes in. He, you know, he has he has a terrible flu. He we're in the meeting, whatever the case is, he comes in the meeting. Um, he he looks sick. This happened like two weeks ago. He looks sick, terrible. And he's in the meeting, and I'm like, hey, hey man, what's going on? He said, Oh, nothing. I'm good. I'm good. I'm like, no, you don't look good. What's happening? He said, No, I just have the flu, but I know we need to have this meeting. I know because I need to, there's something I need to figure out with something. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. There's nothing you need to figure out today. You need to go home. Let's just take call it a day, call it, you know, take the day off. You're good. You're good. Go home. And, you know, he was like, no, I want to work. I'm like, no, if you work, I'm terminating you. I told him that. Because at the end of the day, I'd say, I don't want, like, you need rest. You're sick. You look sick. You need to get some rest because it's not going to do me any justice with you being sick. And at the end of the day, like, that's just like that's where my empathy comes in. Because I'm not like super like work where people, I don't give a damn what you got going on. If there's something. And he was willing to work. I for me, I have to some when I have to tell somebody to stop, that's a good thing. That means I got somebody good on my team.

SPEAKER_05 45:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

And so I I don't know if I like empathy.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

So that's your moment of being a decent human being.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

No, it's not even being a decent human being. It's just like some people call in sick and they be bullshitting people. They bullshit jobs. I'm certain that there's times you called in sick that you wasn't fucking sick. All right, so let me ask you something, Sylvester, before we get too far off in the weeds. Do you disagree that you have a consistency issue? I disagree wholeheartedly. So what do you think your issue is?

SPEAKER_04 45:54

I think that's a issue, but that's not a biggest issue. That's a that's just uh the hiccup in the process. Um you know, um that's just an iteration. That's just a uh uh uh like I say, a one-kind process. But my consistency, um, that's probably the bedrock of my success. It's something that's a good thing. I don't think you have a I don't think you're a consistent friend to me. Well, Jimmy, uh uh availability, availability might have a lot to do with that. You or me. Uh huh. I'm I'm not a hard guy to uh to catch up with.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Yeah, I know. I know the problem by pro I know the problem is primarily me. And as long as you know that. Listen, do you think do you think that do you think that it's bad that I stay in my own bubble?

SPEAKER_04 46:54

No, no, not at all. Because your bubble ain't nearly as big as my bubble, or as small as my bubble. Maybe that's the way to uh to to phrase it. Wait, what do you mean as small as your bubble? I mean I mean you're bubble representative. You're an IT person, or you're you're eh, let me say you're gadget-oriented.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

No, I'm a creative. Call me what I am.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

Okay, you're a creative. Um being a creative, um, you know, you've got a certain muse about you, you know. Um, and that's and that probably is what helps make you as gives you your genius in what you do. Um, but at the same time, there's because nobody gets everything, right? You can't be creative, passionate, brilliant, you know, and have a zero handicap on the golf course. I mean, like nobody God doesn't give everybody everything.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Well, you named all of I have all of those things except the golf course thing.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

Well, yeah, no, Janine, nobody gets it all. So you might have a lot of these other things.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What don't I have? Wait, what don't I have? Um geniusness, yes.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

Yeah, talented, you're geniusness.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

What else? What was the other thing? Um talented.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

Yeah, you're talented. Uh you've got a gift, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

I think that would be fair to say. I have an obsession. I have an obsession with my craft. Okay, fair enough. Um you know what's funny? It's because a lot of people don't know how to be obsessive with their craft. A lot of people get in, a lot of people let things get in the way of like their business, above like, because there's a reason why struggling businesses struggle because they don't know how to get out of the way. They don't know how to put their personal shit to the side of like business. They don't know they they don't know how to become obsessed with the business.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

I don't know that you want to, I think you want to be good, I think you want to be committed. I don't know that obsession is a healthy thing for anybody. That's just it could be though.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

You know, that's an obsession could be good. Uh an obsession is only good when you're able, when you're able to turn it off.

SPEAKER_04 49:17

The only time again, I'm not in the in that in that uh therapeutic clinical space, but it's shit.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Yeah, man. Um I don't know about that much. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

I don't know that there's that there's such a thing as a good obsession.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Yeah. There's a lot of great people who who admitted that they were obsessed with their craft is why they got to where they were at. A lot of great people admit their obsession to it. You have to be obsessed with your craft. That's how that's how that's how legends are built, is the obsession of like their craft, the ability to um endure pain because obsession is what wakes them up in the morning. You know, the only problem, only time obsession becomes bad is when it gets in the way of your judgment or clouds your judgment. You know, and I don't want you to, I don't want you to mix obsession with addiction because I think that that's two different things.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

Wait, say it say that again. I want to make sure I understand.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

I don't want you to mix obsession with addiction because that could be that's two different things. Well, I think that you know, an obsession, uh an obsession you could turn on and off. You could be obsessed with something.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

If you can turn it on and off, it's not an obsession. Yes, it is. To me, obsession is a is a and again, uh not my discipline, but a a form of psychosis. Um you know, um, and I believe that.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Let me tell you something. But again, here it is. You ready? So, what is considered a good obsession? You ready for this? Look, it says healthy obsession is a is passionate, intense focus on activity that boosts productivity, creativity, and personal happiness without burning out or neglecting life essentials. In order for you to do that, you have to know how to turn the obsession off without burnout. You have to know, okay, okay, I need to, okay, I need to take a step back from what I'm doing, you know. So with the ability to not burn out, the ability to not affect personal happy. And it acts as a positive outlet for emotions, providing deep engagement and fulfillment. Good obsessions, right? So it's the ability to turn it off. Like it's it's that passion, that drive, that that creativity, um, but still being able to not let it interfere with your personal happiness. In order to not let an obsession interfere with your personal happiness, you have to be able to turn it off. It also cannot create burnout. In order for an obsession to not be able to create burnout, you have to be able to turn it off. And it cannot neglect life essentials. In order for an obsession to not neglect life essentials, you have to be able to turn it off.

SPEAKER_04 52:24

Okay. Okay. And did you knew that? Did you know that before you uh did the Google search?

SPEAKER_00 52:31

Yeah, I just knew Google could explain it better than I could. And and still, even still then, using those tactics, like I said earlier before Google came on, an obsession is good as long as you're able to turn it off. I said that before we Googled it, because that's what the obsession is. Having an obsession to something is a good thing, as long as you're able to turn it off. Because that's a healthy obsession, and that's why I say there's a difference between obsession and addiction. Because an addiction, it's extremely hard to turn off. It's extremely hard to stop. That's why you're addicted to it. You don't know how to stop.

SPEAKER_04 53:18

It's a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

What's a slippery slope?

SPEAKER_04 53:23

To think you can uh turn it off, on and off.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

What an obsession? Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, for an example, it says life essentials, right? When something happens to like my child or something, they have to go to the hospital or something like that. Are you able to stop what you're doing to make sure you tend to that?

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

And that's what I'm saying. An obsession is an obsession is you uh when when you have an addiction, it's hard to stop. If a doctor tells you, hey, you gotta stop smoking cigars or you're gonna die from cancer in the next three months. If you're and I'm let me just not say cigars, because cigars ain't really addictive like that. Let's just say cigarettes, because people get addicted to cigarettes. And they say you got you can't stop smoking these cigarettes or you'll die in three months. There are people who will still smoke the cigarettes, even though they know that their life is on the line. Oh, absolutely. That's an addiction. Right? So the cut where the addiction is the addict the addiction comes in where despite the consequences of the matter at hand, you will still continue to do it despite those consequences. An obsession allows you to turn it on and off. I I like to think of it like a controlled addiction.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

But then but but okay, but okay. Um I'm you you you you took it to a place that I'm I'm just I can't compete with. Um you can't turn yeah, you know, or at least I choose that to I think. I think most obsessive, compulsive, and highly and you can be those things and still be highly functional. But I think again, it it's the the that that fine line. Um it is a fine line. It it really is. I I really believe that it is. It's a very fine line. Um you know, so um one that it's been there, done that, I choose not to repeat the process. Uh for me personally.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

Uh well, I just well you make it seem like it's the wrong way to go, and it's not.

SPEAKER_04 55:38

It was for me. Well well, it was but why is that? Why was it the wrong way for you? Because it's like I explained to a friend, I could be that guy, but at the um on the but it takes a toll internally in your relationships. Um at least it did for me. So I choose it's like being a type A person, okay, and you can choose to live and be a type A 24 by 7. For me, I choose to be a B plus personality. I I'm very capable of type A stuff, but I just don't, I just don't want to live at the edge of the sword.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

My thing is that's what that goes back to my my statement about consistency. So I think even just that statement you said alone let me know that you had consistency issues.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

No, it just means that I'm very self-aware in how I choose to interact, deal, and be in both my personal life, my relationships, and my business. Okay, so then let me say this.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

So I intentionally obsession stopped because it was affecting your personal livelihood. With that, not my livelihood, but just relationships.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Yeah, your relationships, yes, yeah, it affected your relationship than just the business, right? And that's something that comes with maturity, grasshopper.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Okay, well, since I'm the grasshopper, let's just call you a let's just call you a beetle bug. Pain. Okay, okay. Did you ever watch that?

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Was way before your time.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

Yes, it was. But listen, so I'm listening to what you're saying, and I strongly disagree wholeheartedly. You like you're entitled. The problem. I know that. That's why I said it. Thanks for giving me permission. Thanks. The the problem was not the fact that the obsession was the problem, the problem was balance. It sounds to me that you did not know how to balance the two. Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 57:39

There is no such well, I don't believe there is a thing. There's there is no balance. Well, yeah, there's no well, there's no balance for you. No, there's no balance. There is no, and I think that going to be a good thing. There's no balance for what? There's no balance. Everything that we just talked about. You have to have a coping and an integrated mechanism so that all those things have to function concurrently. The business, the personal, the relationship, all those things have to that is no, it's called integration. There's a difference.

SPEAKER_00 58:08

That okay, that's no there that that's that that to be fair, that's the same shit. That's it's it's it's it's a it's a yes, it's a balance of your personal, your professional, no, your business life. It is all those all those pieces.

SPEAKER_04 58:23

Okay, going back to the relationship.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Hold on, you're right. It's not a balance because integration, integration, integration does not necessarily mean balance. That means you've integrated something into your world. And all integration is not good integration. You could integrate something into your world and not be the best fit.

SPEAKER_04 58:45

But all of these things that you're speaking of are things that are in your purview and things that you have 100% control over.

SPEAKER_00 58:52

So how can you say going back to my relationship?

SPEAKER_04 58:55

You say going back to my relationship. What about it? The part the partner, having the right people in your corner, right? Those people, they know they know what they get when they get with Jamie. All right, what you know, so what they see is what they get. And so you go into it, you know, okay, and if this if this is gonna be, it's gotta be this way. Um right. When you when you to me, when you start making balance or it trying to balance things, you're you're you're taking parts and pieces from different parts of your lives to to make it work. So integration to me is you go 100%, all those things, and everything's in tandem and everything works.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Integration is inputting is is to add something to, right? You're adding something to what already exists, you're adding different worlds into what already exists. So in like balance is being able to take those integrations and balance them to still make the integration work for one another. I don't think that and you I'll you said something, and I'll give you this at least that is that you said finding the right people who understand who you are as a person, who understands how you are, who understands when you meet Sylvester Sly, this is who you're going to get. And that is the most difficult part about the whole journey process is finding the right people who understand, you know what? I understand that this is what he has to do to get to that point. Now we need to find a balance. Because once a person becomes addicted, it's hard to create a balance. But if you have an obsession, an obsession allows you to turn on and off where your balance can even it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:38

I think when you go ahead. Okay, Dr. Freud, one of the things, one of your other shortcomings is I think you live in a little bit of an echo chamber.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:49

Gotta look that up. I don't know what echo chamber is.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:52

The only voice is a sort of thing. If you're gonna insult me, the only voice that you hear is your own.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:59

Okay. Okay, so okay, so you're saying that I only hear my words and not yours.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

No, no, no, no. There's not a lot of people to tell you you you're on some bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

So you think I'm on some bullshit. You won't you you you're sometimes you have a you're a carrier. Hold on. You think I'm on some bullshit. Hold on, let's back. Let's back this up for one second. Let's back this up, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:26

You're in the rabbit hole. See, right, case in point. There's nobody.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

Get your face out the camera because you two cut because right now I feel personal like you coming in my face personally. Like back your ass up the camera. We know where each other lives. It doesn't matter, back your ass up out the camera, because it feels like you're trying to come in my face right now. All right. Like, we virtual, back your ass up real quick.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:46

But what I was saying is one of the things, most of the people you deal with probably work for you. No. Okay. So I might so on that point I I would be mistaken. All right. Alright. So, uh But yeah, you you you don't give, you don't afford then would it be fair to say you're kind of an introvert?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

No, I'm thinking more extroverted.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:13

But how can you be extrovert and then you treat them be so hard and uncompromising with people?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

That's maybe that little so oh, so now you think I'm uncompromising. All right, so here's the deal. You can be, yes. Oh, I see, but but everybody can be uncompromising. We're not talking about everybody, we're talking about you. But we're talking about me. Okay, so yes, I would agree that I can be uncompromising. If something does not make sense to me in my head, it's hard to for me to hear other different points. Now, when somebody has a good point, I'm like, oh shit, okay, good point. Like, for an example, my last show, David, made a very good point about, you know, people cannot scale infinitely, things scale infinitely. Because at first I disagreed with that. But after Case and Pointy made a point of giving examples of why things scale infinitely and people, you know, eventually stop, I was like, okay, he's got a point. I can't argue that. Logically, it has to click in my head, right? So in the thing is this in your situation, hang on, in your situation, you told me that you had what was called an obsession back in the day. You tried it, it did not work. So you stopped because it started to create an imbalance in your life. So therefore, that tells me at the end of the day that you so that one, so you said I'm not listening to people or not hearing people. So hearing that, what that tells me is you did not give it the time or you did not create balance in order for it to work. Because there are very successful people who make way more money than you and I who have created this obsession for their craft or their gift and have scaled beyond where you and I are at. So to say that it does not work, this is my point.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:02

I said this if there's people on a population sample. I mean, yeah, there are people, there are exceptions. Um, but there probably would be an equal number of very talented, very genius people who've crashed in birth. I mean, look in the creative community. Um, the Robin Williams is um, I mean, uh, and I forget the gentleman, uh, the black comedian. Um, I mean, there's so many talented, creative people, um, you know, people, you know, in conventional businesses in Wall Street, finance, accomplished, brilliant, successful, you know, financially, they got it. But, you know, that shit comes at a cost. I mean, if you want to ride if you want to ride the end of a lightning bolt, you know, why does it why does it have to be?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Why does it have to be the end of a lightning bolt?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:53

Like it's not a bad, it's not listen, just because if if if you're okay thinking you can manage your obsessions, and if that works for you, then then that makes you very special. But I think for a lot of people, perhaps it doesn't. This is the only point. And I'll say it just because I made a very conscious decision to take a step back.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Right. And that was right, right. Just because you were not able to manage your obsession. Hang on.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:24

But why do you think like that? Let me say so much more.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Just because you were not able to manage your obsession does not mean that it's not possible.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

No, I managed it quite well.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

You couldn't because it stopped. Yeah, it wasn't managed. Why turn it off? Well, therefore, you you you've you ver you've validated my point that obsessions can be turned on and off. Yes, you did, because I said that obsessions could be turned on and off. And you just told me you turned your obsession off.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:50

Off, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

I made it clear. So therefore that's why you work and to that's why obsession is healthy. Did you go to the definition of this here? Did you? Have to go through therapy? Did you have to go through uh or or AA or whatever to turn this obsession off? No, you turned it off. Most times people who have an addiction they have to seek some type of professional counseling, some type of professional help. You just you just validated my point that an obsession is. Oh, I've gone through it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:19

I've spent more time in therapy than than any four people you've ever done.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

But you didn't spend time in therapy turning off an obsession for work.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:25

No, I did. It was for other stuff. So but as a consequence, it's like, you know what? This isn't as important or as healthy as I thought it would be.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

Right. That but that was but that was because of your environment. Maybe it wasn't that the obsession was bad. Maybe the environment that you surrounded yourself around was bad. Because I have a question. The but again, as entrepreneurs, I have a question. Oh, no, wait a minute. Stop that point. Hold on. I had a question before you said entrepreneurs. My question to you is the same people that you turned this obsession off for, are they still in your circle now? Yes. Very much so. Now you got so you guys are still close?

unknown 1:07:05

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Okay. Listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:07

And and and and in a healthy way.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

So your obsession, you guys, so with the obsession for work, you got you guys could not it's called growth, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:17

Right. But growth and an obsession for your evolve as a human. And an obsession that I was making, sir. I'm talking. The point that I was making as an entrepreneur, one of the good benefits is that by and large, you control your schedule, you control your time, you control your environment. Right? So if it's tense, it's that it's because that's a choice or choices that we didn't make. Because if the situation's bad, then you just change that dynamic. And you can do that because you're at the top of the pyramid in your your little world, you know. So if you know people are having a bad day or things are out of sync, Janine can fix it. So that's so so right. So in terms of the environment, that is a function of whatever we create.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:06

If you if you turn your obsession on again, it would affect the relationships that you have with your people now.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:13

Not so much now, though, because everybody's older. People have grown up now.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:17

So therefore, let me ask you this here then. Is obsession good? It has its place. That's not what I asked. Is it good?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

It can be for a very limited period of time. I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:29

So is that a yes or no? Like it's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

I think it's it's a strategic thing. I think over a long term, over a sustained long period of time, it's bad. But if you like how long fight like how flight type moment, like how long? Ah it's like, are you familiar with concept of project management? Okay, could you answer my question? No, I think are you are you? They have this. Yes, I am sprint. Okay, so when it comes to obsession, okay, I think it's probably healthier and better to run a hundred-yard dash than say uh a marathon. I have a question. In that scenario, I would choose not to run the marathon.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

Okay, so you're not gonna give me a time, it seems like, because you're you said that it just depends on a hundred yard dash. Right, but how many years is that?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:18

How many years I don't know that it's measured in years.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

Okay, so the fact that you can't give me what I can do, what I can do.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

It's not something you can put a Gantt chart to.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

I think so, actually. I think that that's what a Gantt chart is. Yes, I know what a Gantt chart is. Do not do not do not challenge my intelligence.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:34

As a matter of fact, I don't say it's your intelligence, it's your experience. And it's challenging.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

No, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:39

It's your experiences, your link.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

And you know what? And I will tell you this here experience does not make you professional, does not make you mastery. Just because you've experienced something does not make you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:51

It does give you some insight, it gives you knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Just because you've experienced does not give you master.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:56

You can stand that. You can see that part of Jamine nobody likes.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:03

I don't care. But my thing is let me know.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

Said by an obsessive, compulsive motherfucker who lives in his own world.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

And that's that's okay to live in your own world. I will I have a question now because you I'm only acting like this because you can't you won't answer my question. You didn't give me the time because you said obsession can be good. You said hold on. You said an obsession can be back to small businesses as it's not too long.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:26

So my question was what's the life cycle of small businesses? What's the life cycle of small businesses? Here's the deal. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:34

Wait, hold on. Would you say three to five years? I'm going to three to five years. I'm going to start off.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:42

Would that be I'm going to start so to answer your question? A sprint for startup in a business scenario with an obsession time period would be a good three to five years.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

So that's your answer. Three to five years. That would be my answer. Now I have now I have a question.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

Are you aware? Are you do are you familiar with the name Will Smith?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:04

I think it's quite possibly the most underrated. No, I'm sorry. Are you familiar with Will Smith? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:11

Okay. Would you agree that Will Smith. Tupac. If you're gonna name stuff, do it right. Because that's not his name. His name is Tupac. So my so the thing is, did Will Smith have an obsession for his career? Did he have an obsession for his career? Has he ever admitted that he has an obsession with his career?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

Now that part I don't know, but I think Harsha's career. Let me say this. I see his career and she's I see the music, the the the musician or the the I don't know why you can't answer my question. Does he have a couple of things? I don't think he has an obsession for acting.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:48

Because I don't think he's particularly good at it. So no. Does he have an obsession for his career? Yes or no? No?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:54

His career probably, but Okay. How long?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

How long can he it doesn't matter if you think he's good at it as an opinion? I think his music is a good thing. I'm talking objective right now. Right. His music is something else. Career. Here's what I'm going to say. His obsession to the entertainment industry. Would you say that Will Smith have an obsession to the entertainment industry?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:17

Honestly, I don't know the answer to that. Do you mean I'm with?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Of course you don't. Of course you don't. Because he's been doing it for over he's been doing it for over 20-something years. Almost over 30 years. Yes, it does. Okay. Wait a minute. Okay. I'll have another one then. Are you familiar with the name Michael Jordan? He would, I would say he's obsessed, yes. Okay. He was Michael Jordan. Right. So didn't Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:39

Will Smith ain't no Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

Hang on. It doesn't matter. I'm just giving you examples here. You picked up was Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:46

I would say yes. He was obsessed. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:48

How long was Michael Jordan in the league?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:52

About 15 years total, maybe? I'm not entirely sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:58

So I'll look it up real quick. 15 years. Spot on, right? So that's so he was obsessed with his career for 15 years. I got another one. Kobe Bryant. Would you say Kobe Bryant is a good idea?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:07

Yeah, I would say he was obsessed. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

Okay. How long has Kobe Bryant been in the league?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:13

He's been dead for that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:16

League, not dead. He's been dead for 20 years. He's been in the league for Bryant. He's been in the league for over 20, for about 20 years. Right at 20 years. He's been in the league with obsession. He played for 20 years. He didn't play that long. Yeah? Oh, what? Kobe played for 20 years. How long? Hang on. Yeah, he played for 20 years. He started at 18. He retired at like 38. Hang on. Let me see.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:39

Okay. Hey, okay. I just didn't think.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

He got drafted right from high school.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:43

Right out of high school. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

He yeah, he's been playing for 20 seasons. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. 20 years. I didn't know. He had an obsession for 20. Yeah, of course you didn't. Because at the end of the day, when we talk obsession, basketball is not that important to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:57

But it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:00

It's not about basketball. It's about the characteristics that they had to develop to be those players. You develop those same things as an actor. You develop those same things as a creative. You develop those same things as an entrepreneur, right? So my point in case here is you say that I'm looking at an looking at things from an echo tunnel vision. So I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm looking at case studies of individuals who have had an obsession for over a decade, some two decades, and have been and and thrived in those obsessions because they were able to take those obsessions.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:36

With one or two of those instances, and maybe even three of them, all three of the examples that you use had some pretty fucked up relationships in their personalized. Could that not also be a consequence of paying, putting all your energy here?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:55

My thing is my thing is this here. Hang on. Rather you have an obsession or not an obsession, you'll still have a fucked up relationship. Because right now in America, we have more divorces than we have people staying together. So when you think about it, and most of these people who are divorcing, it's not, they're not the number one reason for divorces is not because obsessions.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:18

But I think if you apply that to entrepreneurs, I would, I and I don't have any empirical evidence of it, but I would believe that that number that rate would be even higher. Now, I could do like some people just resort to Chat GPT for my research because you know it's on the internet, therefore it must be true. Um, and that was I'm talking to you, Jamie Delmus.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

Well, but uh I I told you before we looked that Kobe's been in the league for 20 years. That's not so the internet's wrong that Kobe's been in the league for 20 years. No, no, it's just not a pack that I just wasn't aware of. Well, that well, what I'm saying is we we can agree that so you so we can't. Let's go back to the point that I made. You you gave you said three or five years anything over any anything over five years is bad, is what you said according to an obsession.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:07

No, it's in terms of the context of an entrepreneur. I just don't think it's if you're if you're if you're going 160 miles an hour for that extended period of time, burnout is inevitable. Just a natural water.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

See, the thing is, but we I we just talked about that, right? The obsession is the capability of turning off healthcare.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:29

Okay, you think you can.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

I oh so you telling me that these guys, Michael Jordan, had an obsession for 15 years and he was burning out for 15 years? No, he knew how to turn it off when it didn't need to turn it off. Kobe Bryant has been doing it for 20 years, he'd been able to he, well, you tell him he didn't turn it off on the other hand.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:44

All those people had broken relationships in their private, in their family.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:47

They did not actually. They did not. They had no nobody has a perfect relationship. Here's the deal you don't have an obsession and you don't have a relationship. I do have a relationship, but I don't have any obsessions. Well, it's a marriage. When I say relationship, I mean marriage. You're not married and you don't have an obsession.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:05

You ain't gonna it don't matter. You cannot talk about relationships, Mr. Delmer.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:11

I'm not here to talk about relationships. I'm here to talk about you're saying that people who have obsessions end up having fucked up relationships. And I'm like, no, because people who don't have obsessions have fucked up relationships.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

People who don't have obsessions, but you wouldn't know that people who don't have it. But I do I said my comment was my statement. What I said was I think you mentioned the divorce rates, high rates of divorce. Yes. Yeah, I said they're not due to obsessions. I said if you took the entrepreneurial space, people who are obsessed in that business space, there's probably a much higher correlation, uh, you know, and a higher divorce rate, even still. So if if things are gonna go wrong, being a business owner, being an entrepreneur, I don't necessarily think it's gonna be advantageous or necessarily healthy for the relationship. Because every every wife, every partner may not want to be in that corner. You know, it takes a special person to put up with your ass. Right. And I would say that I know, I know I'm I'm I'm defected in so many ways.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:23

You know, at the end of the day, it's not for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:25

At the end of the day, and I know that's not the number one that that at the end of the day, that's not the number one reason why divorces happen. It's because of obsessions of their partners. That's that's the difference. So when you're talking about the context was as an entrepreneur, but all right, even as an entrepreneur, so like, okay, so let me let's take let's bring it back to the 3% of the population. So let's so hang on, let's do this here. Would that be fair? When we take the total reasons for divorce, because the total reasons is totality, and most of these people aren't even entrepreneurs, and they're I'm probably very few of them in a in a in a exactly so it doesn't matter if you're an entrepreneur, which is a smaller, which is a smaller thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

I can't, but you mean we just we're gonna agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:15

I think whatever that I like to finish my point demographic is I think it would be higher amongst entrepreneurs. I just did because you got all the other problems associated with relationships, then you bring in the the being self-employed or running a business that is not going to that's only a force multiplier in terms of complexity.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:39

Okay, so number one for entrepreneurs. Well, yeah, I would like to because at the end of the day, you're making it seem like the obsession is is like um the end all be all when people are divorcing outside of that, like like quicker than.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:56

No, I'm I'm being pretty consistent in my comment that it's gonna be exacerbated with entrepreneurship being a business owner. It's gonna be everything's gonna be magnified. Of course, good, bad, or any different. So at the end of the day, at the end of marriages fail, I would be interested to know what the statistic is for failed marriages for entrepreneurs.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

This is I was just I was just go, I was just going over that. So key reasons entrepreneurs face divorces is neglect and time constraints. That's the number one reason. Financial strain is number two, misalignment is number three, and communication breakdown is number four. Top three four reasons why uh entrepreneurs.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:45

All of those would be different fights or elements in an obsession.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:49

I mean, I can't. You can't say that. You can't say that. You can't say that. Because then that means that that means that you could say that for individuals who are not in entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:02

That means that I can say that in a special being obsessed, whether it be uh a professional athlete or an entertainer, if you're that one-dimensional in your life, then it's very likely those other things are gonna suffer. Yeah, and I believe that it should. And I think, yeah, and and here's the deal. What were the four things that you mentioned?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:20

Communication, uh financial strain, financial.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:27

That would be huge. That would be huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Yeah, misalignment of values and neglect of time and constraints.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:32

Yeah, because you're over here with life and the kids and the business is over there. Now that that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:40

But what you're talking about, once again, is not what I'm talking about. So you love to say I'm not listening when you're not listening. What I'm talking about is, and I've been saying it from the beginning, healthy obsession. You have already agreed that there's a such thing as healthy obsession. So healthy obsession, they're able to control these things, they're able to put business to the side to make sure that's the same thing. No, no, no, I think I said family stop taking care of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:07

I don't believe obsession is healthy. I treat it as fight or flight.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:12

So you don't think obsession it's obsession is so you don't think obsession is. So there's no such thing as healthy obsession. I no, I don't. I think it's necessary. It's necessary. That's gonna make me Google it. Is there a such thing? You can, but you ask you ask me a question. Okay, do I think obsession?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:33

I do not.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

Okay. Here, let's see what Google says. Okay. Okay, Google responds and says, yes. Obsession can be considered healthy when it acts as a high-energy, positive, and disciplined passion that fuels personal growth, creativity, or productivity without causing harm to oneself or others. So, well, here's there, there's that answer for you. There is a such thing as called a healthy obsession. According to Google, okay, you can't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:05

Where the hell you want me to go? I'm I hey, bro, you can believe it all you want. I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:11

You can there's case studies on it. I just gave you three.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

First of all, let's establish a couple of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:16

Okay. First of all, back up, man. You keep getting the camera.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:19

I feel a lot worse than getting your space.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:22

Okay, I'm not sure. I feel like you're trying to come at me. I'm I'm telling I'm gonna put your big ass down. I told you back up. You can try.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:30

And I appreciate the fact that as a black man, you think you still got it, uh, or that you got it, but that ain't gonna happen. But the point that I was trying to make is I just I just I've I've been there, done it, I'm over it, and it's just not that big a deal in my life. It doesn't factor in to uh how I run my day-to-day. It just okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:54

Let me ask you this here. Do you make a hundred million dollars?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:57

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

So why do we care that you that it didn't work for you? Do you make a hundred million dollars? Because I don't, but I'm but I'm following. So why should we wait on you know what you are?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:07

You know what you are?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:08

No, hang on.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:08

Jimmy, you know what you want to do. Let me finish. You are an outwardly talented individual who happens to have a fucking platform and a podcast to open his comment of some bullshit. And he's finished. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:24

He's finished. Thank you. I could tell when I hit a nerve. You come back. So my question is this here. So I am on the I what I'm saying is if I'm going to listen to somebody about obsession and healthy obsession, they're gonna make this down. I'm telling, I've given you case studies of where I'm getting it from. You mentioned a few people. Hey go, right? But mentioned three to be exact. Oh, there's plenty of more. There is plenty of more. Jim Roll's one. Like, there's plenty, like we can go on. We can Michael Jackson's another. I mean, we can go on. Dude, how do you think that's a good one? How do they look out for my own? Hang on. Again, hang on. Let me let me just let me hang on. Let me let me stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:04

I just want to make a point real quick. Tragic. Tragic.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:08

Right. Okay. And but the problem is, is because of your variety. A lot of these people children. Right. All right, right. Okay. Let me go back. Let me go back real quick.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:18

You kick some really fucked up examples, my guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:20

No, these aren't. I said Jim Rohn wasn't a fucked up example.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:22

I'm not familiar with is that the only Jim Rome I know is a sportscaster.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:26

No, that's not. Exactly. So don't even just don't let it go over. So now I gotta Google Jim Rome. Okay, while you're Googling Jim Rohn, you're throwing me off because you're making me forget my point. You're making me forget my point. Okay. So at the end of the day, you talk about these bad obsessions and I'm not sure what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:42

So that's the world that comes to the top of the list.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

I asked you.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

Talk to me about this Jim Rome.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:48

I asked you, did you make$100 million? So if you're making this a substantial amount of money and you're bringing this in this substantial amount of money, and you decided I'm going to walk away from obsession, then your points will be valid because you have proven to us that obsession is not. Yeah, money. Well, that's part of the success. It's it's it's it's is that your validation is money? Yeah, for sure. I think the money does play a major factor into somebody's success. Correct. Not only validation, but Henry Finn. I don't I think that's not the only thing that validates another. What would be some other validating points? Um what what your what your successions has contributed to the community would be as a whole. I just gave you that. I just told you. No, I'm sorry. I'm telling you is is your craft and how your craft has changed the next generation, how your craft has moved or changed in a community or an environment or whatever the case is. So the reason that you're telling me that obsession is bad, I tried it, it didn't work out for me. So I don't think it's good. There's no such thing as healthy. Because this is what they, this is the path that they took in their career field. So I'm like, I want to take the same path. I have not seen a person who didn't have a form of obsession with their craft and not make it to those kind of heights.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:34

You should expand your worldview.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:36

You said what is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:38

I said you should expand your worldview. Get a bigger picture.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:41

And I think you should expand yours because I think I'm pretty expansive.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:45

I am pretty expansive. I might be a lot of things, but non-expansive isn't one of them. And then that grammatically doesn't need to.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

I don't take I'm I'm not taking that from this from this podcast. I don't get that vibe from this podcast. I I just okay. Give a damn. I don't get the vibe. I get the bullshit again.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

See?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:03

You know what I you know the vibe? You know the vibe that I get right now from DC Busters? I get the vibe of you're like when there's a correction, there's a defense, and after a defense, there's an attack of character.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

Trust me though, my guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:19

I'm just telling you about rich environment.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:22

What?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:23

Your target rich environment.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

Well, I don't know what that means. You gotta break that down to me. See, the thing is, when I say I don't understand something, it becomes a problem for you. And I didn't told you I didn't understand like four things you said on the show. I'm okay. See, and that's another thing. I'm obsessed with learning. I I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:43

That is a very now that you know that might be the only thing that you said that I can 100% endorse. And you know what's crazy? I don't give a fuck. Good for you. Good for you. But that's the only thing that I can 100% stand behind and support you in. And I think having that uh uh intellectual curiosity, it it in the long run, it serves you well, and I think that in in a in a societal, and I'll circle it back to just black people because those are generally the only ones I give a fuck about. Um that is something that is absent in our community, having just a zeal, a zest, an obsession, if you will, for learning. Just for the sake of learning. So then there is a such thing as healthy obsession. Well, in that in that case, uh, yes, I would, I would, I would, I would uh, I would acquiesce to your point. Yeah, but knowledge is good, and and you and I think we but there's and and you could apply it to society at large. America, there's a certain level of anti-intellectualism in this country. Um, and it's it's it's the most insane thing. Uh it it makes no sense to me. But I think it's especially pervasive in black households. Yeah. I agree. You know, it's okay to be smart, it's okay to know things, it's okay to read a book, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

You know what else is and you know what else is okay? It's okay not to be smart, it's okay not to be obsessive, it's okay not to always do what society says to do but you it's not okay, it's not okay to go through life being a dumbass. It's not okay to go through okay, ignorant. I don't think that okay. I don't think that I don't what I'm saying is if you're not that that's okay. If you don't have like if you're if if you're okay with your life and you're comfortable, and you're like, you know, I'm not the smartest guy, but I'm not even the smart guy, and you're comfortable with your life, that's okay. Because life isn't about being smart or being dumb or being rich or being poor, it's about choices, man. It's about it's about it's about conveniency, it's about comfortability, it's about what's comfortable for you. And if you're not that, that's okay. Like we we live in a society where we try to make it seem like it's not okay to be certain things. It's okay that I'm not rich. It's okay you're not rich, it's okay that you don't have an education, it's okay that I don't have education, it's okay. It's completely fine. It's okay that you're not an entrepreneur, it's okay that people go to work.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:25

You have to the muscle, but this muscle right here, and that's one thing I don't abide. You said I think that you said something don't put up with stupid people. I don't put up with stupid people.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

There's a difference between stupid people and dumb people. The unlearned, there's a difference between dumb and stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:42

The unlearned and the ignorant? No. No, got no place for them. But unfortunately, that in this country, I think that the standards in the education are so pitifully low. You know, so but that's a whole nother you could probably that's a whole nother series of podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:03

Listen, this hey, listen. This was uh this was a good show, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:07

I felt like this was because you say I look like a blue a Kleon. Um I think that's actually the light reflecting off of these two.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:18

No, I think you have bad. I I think you're I think your camera settings is set off. I think your Kelvin and your camera is not properly set. Because the Kelvin is probably on.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:27

You'll have to show me how to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:29

Yeah, it's not properly set. I don't think it's your lights. This looked like a Kelvin issue because your entire screen is blue. You fucked up my podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:36

You're the cinematographer, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:38

You you fucked up my podcast. So just put your camera because I'm blue. Right, and you're a black man. You're not blue, you're a black man, but now you look blurple. All right, listen. Hey, Sylvester, thank you, man, for joining the podcast. I really appreciate your time today, man. Thank you guys who are all listening to the podcast. What do you guys think, man?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

Everybody sat through an hour and 35 minutes of this.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:06

Uh listen, don't listen to Sylvester. If you sat through an hour and 35 minutes of this, that's because you got a long ass ride to work, or you're sitting here cooking, or you're sitting here working while you're trying to get some work done. Because that's what people do with podcasts. They sit there, they listen to the conversation as they're doing other things. So if that was you today, thank you for tuning in. Thank you for joining us. And you guys know where to find us at. We're on all social media platforms, and we're streaming on all Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, you name it, we're there. Come find us. I'm your host, Jameen Delmas. Sylvester, thank you again for joining the show. And until then, guys, welcome to the other side of motivation. Talk soon.