Business & BullSh** Part 2: Branding, Marijuana & Boutique Cigars

In this episode of The Untraditional Entrepreneur, the conversation gets unusually candid as Juming Delmas sits down with entrepreneur Calvin Beauford, founder of Freakypreneur Cigars, for a discussion that blends business strategy, personal controversy, branding, and lifestyle choices. Calvin shares the story behind building his cigar company, which has been operating for about a year, and explains his focus on small-batch, boutique, hand-rolled, Black-owned branded cigars as he works toward launching the brand’s online store.

A major part of the episode centers on the tension between personal identity and business image. Calvin defends the name Freakypreneur as a bold, memorable hybrid brand that sparks curiosity and stands out, while the host questions whether the name could limit the company’s reach or turn off potential customers who do not connect with that image. That back-and-forth turns into a broader conversation about what founders should build around: mass-market appeal, or a brand voice that feels true to who they really are.

The episode also gets deeply personal as Calvin talks about his marijuana use and the role it has played in his life after stepping away from heavy alcohol consumption. He explains that after being diagnosed with severe fatty liver and possible cirrhosis, he increased his marijuana use as part of moving away from drinking. That makes this episode less of a standard founder interview and more of a raw discussion about coping, health decisions, entrepreneurship, and the messy ways personal habits can shape business identity.

Taken together, the conversation becomes an honest look at how entrepreneurs make sense of controversial choices while still trying to grow something meaningful. It is about risk, reinvention, public perception, and whether a founder’s personal reality should be separated from the brand or fully woven into it. For listeners interested in startup culture, niche products, founder branding, and unfiltered entrepreneurship conversations, this episode definitely gives plenty to think about.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:04

How often do you know we need a day?

SPEAKER_00 0:08

Well, you know, I've been on this show before, and everybody already knows it's all day every day.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Has science ever lied to us? I think you've lied to us.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

No, I haven't. But science has not ever lied to us. It is a plant. So weed has never killed anybody in the history of mankind. What we're talking about right now, as far as what we're doing on this untraditional ass show, right? We're talking about in the community. Is that shit really a fucking drug? No, it's not a fucking drug. It's more it's goddamn help. It's a fucking medicinal herbal nature plant that is helping people, helping save lives. Could it alter your e your emotions and shit? It fucking calms you the fuck down. Yeah. Well, uh, listen, your tone right now is a little fucking off.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

It's just a little off, bro. Just a little fucking off.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

All right. While we do this, now I understand. Okay. We good.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

No, we good. Go on to the next question. Are you saying that I'm the problem?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

You are the problem. Be the welcome to the other side of motivation.

SPEAKER_04 1:42

Hey everybody, and welcome to the Untraditional Entrepreneur Podcast. I'm your host, Jameen Delmus, and today we have a returning guest back to the show. He was one of our first original guests on the original podcast by the name of Calvin Buford. We are talking about a true untraditional, unfiltered entrepreneur. I mean, this guy is all over the place when he needs to be, but we are talking about an owner of a cigar company where he opened his cigar company about a year ago. So everybody, thank you for tuning in who are tuning in. Just remember to subscribe because we notice that 93% of people who actually listen to us do not subscribe. So we're just trying to get everybody to subscribe so that we can keep pushing out this content. You can also follow us on our webpage at utepodcast.com. That's utepodcast.com, where you'll get the latest episodes. We're also streaming on all major platforms, including YouTube. Thank you guys for tuning in and let's dive into the show. How are you doing? Thank you for joining the show, Calvin. Thank you, thank you, thank you for starting out this way. This is why, this is why people do what they do when it comes to podcasts. You are the uh you are definitely the definition of an untraditional entrepreneur by far. So, how's it going, man? How's the weather in Texas?

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Um, well, you know, I'd be in and out of Texas, um, but you know, it kind of reminds me of that. It could be hot one day and then cold the next day.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

It's ridiculous. No, I do not know. Because I've never been to Texas. Not my forte, you know. But listen, what are you lighting? What are you lighting? What are you lighting there? That's not a cigar, is it? No, sir.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

This is a blunt. Um, this is uh the strand of key lime pie. Um, and it is yes, uh, it's it's key lime pie.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

You're smoking a key lime pie pie blunt on the show. I am, yes. You you untra this is fucking called untraditional, right?

SPEAKER_04 3:51

This is untraditional. This is very much so that uh so I so I have so I have a question. So does it taste like key lime pie?

SPEAKER_00 4:00

Um, not really, but it has maybe notes here and there. Um, so very faint. So there's flavor weed now out there. There's flavor weed. Um, all weed has some sort of flavor to it. Um sweetened by the cannabinoids and the terpenes. And so depending on that profile, you can get those notes of grass, fruit, cook cookies, bakery type items, home goods. So it just depends. But this one is gonna be pea lime pie, it's gonna be one of your fruit strands. This is gonna be more of a sativa, um, uh hybrid leaning sativa. Um, I don't know if you know sativa, hybrid, you know, whatever, but the ring of the upper. It's a upper. Well, weed is not a drug, sir.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Weed is not a drug, it is an herb. Well, so what are we talking about? It grows naturally in the plant, in the in the ground. It's a plant.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

Okay, that's something that somebody who smokes weed would say. You think so?

SPEAKER_01 5:11

But has science ever lied to us? I think you've lied to us.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

No, I haven't. But science has not ever lied to us. It is a plant. So, hey. Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Uh what I'm not gonna do is argue you about a drug that you're smoking right here on the podcast. So let me get this right. You said that while it is a plant, but just because it's a plant does not mean it's not a drug. Plants could be considered drugs too.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah, but weed has never killed anybody in the history of the of mankind. And, you know, alcohol would you call alcohol a drug? Yeah, I think alcohol is a type of drug. Oh, okay, then. Well, if you think alcohol is a drug, then then I can see why you would think that weed is a drug. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 5:58

Do you think alcohol is a drug?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Uh, I do. I I believe it is a drug, um, but it's a manufactured drug.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Okay, you were right. It says weed has never killed anybody. It says it is virtually impossible for a human to die from a direct overdose of marijuana, as the lethal dose is considered impractical to reach. However, cannabis can be fatal indirectly through accidents, uh cardiovascular events, or rare cases or other rare cases as far as contributing factors in deaths among vulnerable individuals. So it's not that, I mean, from the sounds of it, there's no tracking of it. But there is, there are things that causes death due to being high off of marijuana.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah, but uh I uh while I I can appreciate that definition, it it further proved my point. But let me make this statement. If you Google um uh weed um versus any kind of uh epilepsy, um, you know, any of these uh major type things, weed has always uh been a silent um ingredient that it has been helpful. And there's tons and tons of studies on that that is that is documented that we just, you know, it's really starting to come to light, to be if I'm being completely honest with you. It's really starting to come to light, which is why you're starting to see all of this stuff coming down with these states are now all starting to turn recreational or medical. Pretty much every state in the United States is medical or recreational. Um that that used to not be the case. Remember, recreational used to only be like in Cali, um uh uh Oregon. Like it was really out there in the West Coast, and then now it's starting to hit Midwest, North, and South. So I I I just bet I just hate to hear say a drug because it has it's done so much more healing, and and there's not been anything documented to say it's been it's not been a healing property or it has been damaging to anyone. So that's why I say that.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Okay, well, here, let me help you break down so that you can understand. So when we uh let's first break down the definition of a drug, right? So according to just basic Google research, Google AI research, here factors that consider a drug, meaning factors influencing its classification, administ uh administration, and effects on the body, include it includes chemical nature, uh, it could be therapeutic, it could be intent of treating, diagnosing, or preventing diseases and psychological effects, right? So let's talk about bad drugs. Right? So when we look at bad drugs, whether illicit substances or misuse malpractitions are defined by factors that cause significant physical, mental, or social harm to the user and those around them. The substance often leads to addiction, severe side effects, or potential fatal consequences. So these are the drugs that it's referring to. When we look at weed, this is why it is considered a drug. It says, is weed a drug? Yes. It is recognized as a substance and is often categorized as a depressant stimulant, depending on the users and its strands. So the reason it's considered a drug is because of the effects that it has on the mental side of the brain and the effects of those behaviors from smoking weed. So that's why it's considered a quote-unquote drug. Would you disagree with any of that?

SPEAKER_00 10:04

You know what, to be honest with you, I want to thank you for that illicit definition of what a fucking drug is, right? Um, but what we're talking about right now, as far as what we're doing on this untraditional ass show, right? We're talking about in the community. Is that shit really a fucking drug? No, it's not a fucking drug. It's more it's goddamn help. It's a fucking medicinal herbal nature plant that is helping people, helping save lives. Does it alter, could it alter your e to your emotions and shit? It fucking calms you the fuck down. Yes. Well, right now you're supposed to be. You know what? I finally I've realized now I understand why we do this. I now I understand. Okay. We good. No, we good. Go on to your next question.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

No, I ain't going to no question. Am I next question? My next question. Oh, yeah, you is. Are you saying that I'm the problem?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah, I you are the problem. Bingo.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Hey, but listen, I love it. I'm here for it. I am fucking here for it.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

Like to a lame person who don't understand weed. I used to smoke weed. I never really got addicted to it. I just did it because of a social thing. I think I feel like I drink alcohol for social things and smoke cigars for social things. I don't necessarily feel like I get addicted to shit, but I can see, would you agree that you're addicted to weed?

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Um, no, I'm not addicted to it. How often do you smoke weed a day? Um, I'm actually in love with it. How often do you smoke weed a day, Calvin?

SPEAKER_04 12:02

And we focus on how I am in love with weed. Nope. You said I asked the questions, you answer them. So just answer the question.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Well, uh, listen, your tone right now is a little fucking off.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

It's just a little off, bro. It's just a little fucking off.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

All right. I'm sorry, but I just need some answers. But I probably smoke about three times a day. I think that's false. Well, how do you feel like that's false? You don't live in my house?

SPEAKER_04 12:34

I don't, but I have I have pre-recordings of how often you smoke weed, and it wasn't three times a day.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

What do you mean you got pre-recordings? What you did you got receipts or something?

SPEAKER_04 12:44

I do.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Oh, okay. Well, cool for you.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

So kudos. Because you saw you around here talking about some how often do science lie. The question is, how often do you lie? How often do you smoke weed a day?

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Well, you know, I've been on this show before, and everybody already knows it's all day every day. The hell I'm doing right now. I'm smoking shit.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Right. So how often would you say, just give me a number? Then we know it's not three. We know you don't smoke weed, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I don't know. I probably probably 10. 10. Okay. Do you not think that that's an addiction? Mm-mm. But you know, I know what we're gonna do though. Hold on. I know what we're gonna do. Hold on, I know what we're gonna do though. I know what we're gonna do. Nah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Go ahead, you join us.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

My question is, you said it's not an addiction. Now we go back to your original statement of you loving it. Why do you love it and why is it not an addiction?

SPEAKER_00 13:51

It's not an addiction because I'm not um if I'm away from it for a certain period of time, I'm not like, oh my God, like I gotta hit it. It's not something where I'm like, oh, I gotta get it. Like, if if I gotta go, like think about it, like when you go to work during the day, like you can't smoke during the day. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I'm not sitting there at work like, oh my God, I need to smoke. It's I can't smoke until after five. I'm cool. Now, if I couldn't get past that or if it was bothering me, then yes, that's an addiction. Because now it has taken over me to where like I'm like craving for, and that's that's that's that's that's an addiction. Um, I think that I enjoy it, and I enjoy it because what it does to me mentally, it puts me in a state of chill mode. And I prefer to be in chill mode. And, you know, I don't know about you, but you know, I know me, but chill mode Calvin is a lot, you know, a lot more insane and cool to be with than drunk loud Calvin. So I I'm cool with that. And plus, let me just say this, dog. Let me just say this. I I have always smoked weed, but I had never smoked weed as much as I do now until 2024. And I had ran into a little scare uh because I was, you know, I would drink, I was drinking very, very heavy. And I ran into a little scare where I possibly could have had severe fatty liver and potentially cirrhosis of the liver. And so when I heard that, I had to tighten that shit up. And so I cut the alcohol and then I increased this. And then what I found in doing that is that it took my it took my entire mindset, right, to a whole different level. And I I don't mean to talk too long, but I really want to say that because long-winded, yeah. I but I I just wanted to be honest with that because what I it it it helped change my life. So I just want to make sure I highlight that.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

Congratulations, Calvin. I want to congratulate you on that. You are thank you. So, you know, so so then you would you would you would primarily say that you you you don't you're not addicted to weed. You would no, no, I'm not addicted to it. Um you smoke 10 times a day. So if we if so what's the longest you think you can go without smoking? If you decide, you know what, I don't want to smoke no more. If you if you if you went on uh fasting from weed, what's the longest you think you'll make it?

SPEAKER_00 16:33

Um, bro, um bro, at one point I quit smoking weed for over 10 years. We ain't asking about what you did in the middle of the book. Well, no, I'm but I'm keeping it, I'm keeping it in a book though. So it's not if I don't want it, if I decide that I just don't want it, it ain't nothing for me to just say, fuck it, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do it. It ain't that serious.

SPEAKER_04 17:00

Okay, so you're saying you can cut it off right now. Right, I can. So why do you smoke ten blunts a day then? Because that's my enjoyment. Right. That's typically how it's work.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yeah, but but we we there's there's a so so it did okay, so let's let's do this then. So I'm gonna publicly say this again so that we're very, very clear. I love to smoke weed. Love it. Nothing wrong with that. Okay. I do it every day. All day, every day. Okay. But there's no weed addiction because weed addiction. I went on a cruise for seven days and was no weed on a cruise, and I I wasn't tripping. Like it was cool. I got back home. Okay, now I can hit me a blunt. I'm cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't it. Weed maybe for some people that that could be different, but for me, that just it's just I'm cool with that.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

Thank you, Calvin. Thank you for that. Yeah, I'm gonna read some studies for you. So you could just I'm gonna sort of read this to you, and you can just tell me what your thoughts are just behind this, okay? I'm gonna read this, okay? Okay, go ahead. Okay, so zero to one times per day, occasionally. Uh, we're gonna be going over what does addiction look like for cannabis users, okay? Zero to one times per day, occasionally light use, usually not considered addiction by itself. One or two times per day is a regular user, high risk, especially if it's daily. Three plus times a day, morning, mid, day, night, commonly associated with problematic use, possible addiction, especially if it's every day. But here's the key point even once per day can qualify as cannabis use disorder. If you feel dependent on it, if you can't cut it down, or if it's affecting your life. One of the three, not all three. And someone using three times a day, but still able to stop easily and without consequences, might not meet clinical addiction criteria. Bottom line, three times a day, daily, plus every day is a strong red flag for addiction. Daily use, any amount, rather moderate or uh or risky, multiple times daily can't can't skip equal addiction territory. So basically, if you're smoking three times a day, marijuana cannabis, they classify that as a cannabis use disorder. You agreed that coming in, you already started off with three, which Olaine asked, talking about some three times a day. Now you had 10 times a day, so maybe you got slightly an addiction.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

You know what? It sounds like the people who wrote that motherfucking shit should have been high they motherfuckers sell. Because that's a whole crock of fucking bullshit that you just wrote. We know the the them the people that wrote that the people that wrote that wrote that on a fucking biased opinion, and we ain't even gonna get into that, but you write, you you can have it. You can have it.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Hold on. I thought we calms you down. You don't seem calm right now. You seem right already. Then you're gonna let the blunt right after you make the statement. I am gonna like the blunt. Yeah, you like the blunt right after your your emotional uproar. See, this is what I'm talking about right here. People need to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04 20:15

You need help. Well, call the help. You need help. I can't help you. I can't help you. So let me ask you this here. Would you would you would you introduce, would you have me smoke weed with you?

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 20:29

I I will let you smoke. Huh? I'll pass. That's fine. It's absolutely disgusting if you ask me. I cannot put my lips on something that everybody else put their lips on. That's how herpes be transmitted.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

But I mean, that's saliva. I mean, sometimes I see these guys, I will watch dudes passing a blunt around, and the tip of the blunt is extremely wet. And then another man puts his lips on that wet blunt from passing. You don't think that's disgusting? That's absolutely disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Oh, okay. So I yeah, you must not be a weed smoker, but you know, weed or true weed smokers, uh, you when you're grabbing a blunt, you're grabbing it like this. Let's let's let's make sure you get me in the camera. So my my my my mouth is not touching your saliva. And I'm hitting the blunt. So I'm just saying. Now, some people may not do that, but me, I always grab my blunt when I'm smoking with someone, and I grab it by the tilt so that my fingers are over that, and then that way I'm not getting any of that. I'm just getting nothing but smoke. So But still, your fingers who says your fingertips are clean? When are your fingertips ever fucking clean? I mean When you wash it. I mean, what what are we talking like? That I mean shit, you can you right now your fucking fingers are not clean unless you got them under some water with some fucking soap on them. So what do I mean really?

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I mean, yeah. I missed.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

I mean, no. I mean, how can you smoke that? Okay, so you smoke with your fingers. You don't put your mouth on the blunt.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

No, no, no, no. You see, you missed what I said. I'm smoking by myself. So this is my blunt. So I can smoke this high as I want to. But when I'm passing, when I'm passing around in a session, then mine is like this when I get it, because again, people's mouths, you don't know. So I always grab mine by the tip.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Get my weed going on about my business. So you're gonna sit here and do that right here. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

So absolutely. Unfucking traditional, right? There's no there's no fucking in the in the in the title of the name. I mean, we can edit it. No, I would not do that. Why not? Because unlike you, I appreciate my brand name.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Oh god, here we go. Here we go. I mean, give this nigga a grim cracker or something, please. Can you put some fucking whipped cream on that bitch?

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Unlike you, I I take pride in my brand name. Because we going back, and this is giving you a chance to redeem yourself. Oh no, ain't no redeeming. Yeah, you have to. You can't redeem. No, you can't live like that, okay? Why? Because listen, I would consider you an acquaintance, and I care about my acquaintances too. Okay. Because we don't talk regularly. And uh you smoke, so you smoke weed, and you got a business called Freaky Preneur.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:41

Right? That's the business name. And I think we had a conversation around this before about the difference between a personal brand and a business brand. And that freaky preneur leans more so toward personal brand. Would you agree to that today or would you not agree to that today? It's still a hybrid. It's not now. Here's the deal. Now, the thing is that yeah, most businesses would love to be that hybrid. They want to have the personal and that's actually most business goals is to be hybrid, like to have both. But oftentimes, you don't get that until you your business is able to sustain itself without you. And in your situation, that ain't the case. Your business needs you in every step of the way. As a matter of fact, your business needs your job because your job helps fund the business. So we would agree that it's definitely not hybrid, it has to be one or the other until it gets to a point where it can sustain itself. So your business is more of a personal brand. Hybrid. Okay, let me ask you this here. The freaky preneur, right? That's what freaky preneur cigars. What is it like freaky preneur cigars or freaky? What is it called? Freakypreneur cigars. That's it. Freakypreneur cigars? So, okay, what does the word freaky come from? Yeah, yeah. Why put freaky in the brand?

SPEAKER_00 25:05

The freaky, the freaky becomes because I'm a freak, so you know, and then I'm an entrepreneur, and so I put the two words together, freakypreneur, and you know, boom. That's how it came up.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

Okay, key word here, you just said it. I'm a freak. Not my potential clients, not my potential customers are freaks. I'm a freak, right? I'm freaky, is what you said. Yeah, you've already personalized it and it's made it a personal brand because it's about you and your freakiness. Because what if somebody wants to shop at your shop and they're not freaky? Can they have a freaky preneur cigar? Hell yeah, they can. Why? They're not freaky. What you mean? It contradicts their behavior because they're not freaky.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

So I feel like if it's freaky preneur, if they can't, if they don't, if that if it's a contradictory to them, that's then they need to go and uh pray to whoever they pray to and cross their fingers and do whatever, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

But I'm a but if I'm a person that I know about the brand, I'm gonna feel like I gotta be freaky to come smoke these freaky preneur cigars.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Well, again, that's a you problem. If that's the feeling that you're getting from that without getting the information for yourself about inquiring about what it is, and you're assuming, because we all know that assuming makes that it makes a fool out of yourself.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

So that's a you problem. Assumption's making an ass out of somebody, not a fool, but at the end of the day, it's not a you problem. That's a you made a tomato, right? To be fair, that's tomato, right? No, no, to be fair, that's a you problem. You're the you're not freaky preneur. If I'm not freaky, if I'm not freaky, I can't have a freaky preneur cigar.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

I can't have one of your freaky peneur cigars.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

That is a fucking you problem. How is that a me problem? I ain't do nothing.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

You just your brain.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

That's a you problem. Why that's a you problem? Because that's if you if you get emotionally caught up in a name, like and and then and then it it but but but we know it, we know it peaks, we know it peak your interest. You might not say that shit, but it peaked your interest.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

How so?

SPEAKER_01 27:18

What you mean?

SPEAKER_04 27:19

You you the one who said it does. How so?

SPEAKER_00 27:21

How so the word freaky peaks absolutely?

SPEAKER_04 27:26

Well, how does that pique my interest?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

It peaks every the word freaky, whether negatively or good, everybody always hears that word and it's instantly a thought.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

So what so what so you don't see nothing wrong with the name at all? I absolutely do not. So you ain't gonna rebrand like I asked you to, because you don't like to listen. I'm not. I'm not. So how so okay, so if I'm not a freak, I can smoke your freaky preneur cigars. Absolutely. So I could be in a I could be at the cigar lounge with a bunch of other men smoking freaky preneur cigars. We all under, we all in your building right now, freaky preneurs. We all sitting up under your building sign freaky preneurs. When people walk in there, I'm gonna assume everybody in here is freak. Freaky to some degree. Because y'all in here smoking some freaky preneur cigars. But I'll be waiting for you. That's a you, that's a you issue. I think that's a branding issue. No, I don't. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 28:29

I think it's uh I think it's a a universal thing that that we all uh mentally get too emotionally tied up into the nonsense of bullshit. Um instead of instead of instead of getting uh getting to an opportunity to get to know uh what it is or what it's about, a lot of times we we and I say we because we all do it, um we prejudge things based upon. That's our job. No, no, it's not your fucking job. Like your fucking job is to No, it's not. No, it's not. Your job is to uh love people, love one another, uh be friendly, be you know, be be kind, be generous is not to be scrutinizing uh uh uh uh uh uh anybody's in their in their in their name or their branding. Like uh appreciate, right? Appreciate the combination of the word freakypreneur.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

Okay, first of all, just because you judge somebody doesn't make you a bad person. Just because you judge a brand person quiet. I'm talking.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

But don't I didn't say that though, so don't say that.

SPEAKER_04 29:47

Okay, smoke your blunt, smoke your blunt, you're gonna need it, okay? Thanks. I'm gonna need it. Yeah, you're gonna need it. Smoke your blunt. Judging somebody is not a bad thing. As a matter of fact, we have to make judgment on things. Okay, take for an example, you don't have kids, but let's just say you have a sister, you have a daughter, all right? She's going out, let's say she meets a guy. She got to make judgment, right? Before she goes out on a date with this guy. She meets a guy, she wants to go out on a date, she has to make a judgment. That's not a bad judgment. She has to make a judgment call on how she's gonna approach going out on a date with this guy. She might like him, but she still has to make judgment calls. And an example, um, when we're choosing friends, we have to make judgment calls on the friends that we choose and say, okay, does it make me a bad person for judging a situation? No, this is something that they do. I just don't agree with it. I'm making a judgment call to not involve myself with that. That's not a bad thing. Judging is not bad. So when people try to make it seem like judgment is a bad thing, actually, we all do it all the time. And it doesn't make us not good people for judging. As a matter of fact, some of the best decisions ever made was off of good judgment.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

I mean, what you want a mic drop on that or some shit? Like, I mean, you again, I didn't I didn't say I again for the record, again, I didn't say we were bad people.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

Well, that's not what came out of my mouth. No, you you know, you said along the lines of you know, you people should be caring, not judging. I'm like, well, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

So what I'm saying, right, right. No, no, no, no. So again, you missing the message. Again, I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. But what I'm saying is to you that most people, the first thing that comes to mind is always in most things, typically is always judgmental instead of getting to know the situation and seeing what it is. And I'm not saying I'm not saying see, then you say nobody cares. Then so then why the fuck are we talking about my name then? So why why the fuck why the fuck are we talking about it?

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Because nobody cares. No, no, no, no. When it comes to businesses, there's it's it's a little bit more unforgiving because you are a public figure as a business. So as an individual, you know, people have a little bit more leeway, but as a business, people are very much so unf you know, their judgment is very unforgiving because there's a level of expectation in business ownership that people just have naturally.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Like, you know, yeah, but my but I'm I'm hoping that most I'm hoping that a lot of people, yeah. My judgment on an establishment is gonna be off customer service. I'm not gonna judge it based off your fucking name. I'm gonna judge it off your fucking customer service. Stop playing, you would. Come on, no, if you see it serious, bro. Like, there's so many shit. I could tell you some names of some shit I done order from, and it'd be like, you'd be like, what? I'd be like, yeah, but the the shit was cool as fuck. Like, what are we talking about? Come on, man. Like, we know we're gonna do it. We're not doing that.

SPEAKER_04 32:47

Wait, hold on. Hey, hey, smoke your blunt, calm down.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Hey, hey, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

No, we're not doing that because you know guys, you know good goddamn well, bro. Like, no, don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Smoke your blunt. You're gonna need it, okay? I told you you were gonna need it. Light it up. They said, there you go. You're doing a good job. Put it to your mouth with your fingertips. That's how you smoke it.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

I can't stand your ass, dog. I could not stand your fucking ass, bro.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

Listen, I'm telling you right now, I don't think there's nothing wrong with blunts. I don't think there's nothing wrong with your name. I just think that maybe if you want to scale, I think it's gonna hit a ceiling. It's gonna like cap. Because when you really want like investors and sponsors on things, oftentimes they're gonna like be like, nah, I can't, I can't, I can't rock with that name. So it's gonna cap you. And right now, right now, while you're only making five dollars a year and your business, this would be a good time to change the name. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Hey, I just want to say we have successfully completed uh one year in business. Uh uh, since you bring that up.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

And we are still rocking and rolling, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:18

And doing some big things. Uh so let me just say that. It's more than five dollars a fucking year.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

All right, 10, 15, who cares? But at the end of the day, you have crossed the threshold of 20 to 25 percent of other business owners who start a first year. That is a milestone, right? With that name, freaky preneur, right? Right. I mean, one time I almost got sued for my business name. I had to change it. Really? You know, people can sue for things, stupid things like that. They could feel like they were isolated because you because they feel like they're not freaky enough to smoke your cigars and be like, you know, I felt like I wasn't free. People sue about the stupidest shit now. Well, good law. You know, some lady won the lawsuit against I think Meta for Meta being really good with their algorithm or something like that, and making her addicted to social media because of the way they use algorithms. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a real thing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it happens, and people are doing that shit for real. You don't hear nothing.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

You're smoking, you're not hearing, you're smoking.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

Um, what makes you think I'm first of all, I'm not smoking because you uh anyway, but uh I am curious though, how long does it take to smoke then an average blunt?

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Um depending on what size it is, but if a regular blunt, probably I said average.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Probably about 20 minutes. Okay, 20 minutes. Okay. So you've been on here more than 20 minutes, you've been smoking that blunt, but whatever. It's but because you you're it's because you're in and out of your emotions, which I get it. Yeah, I mean, you gotta do what you have to do. Have you ever smoked a blunt and then smoked a cigar? Do you smoke your own products?

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Hey, listen, first of all, when do we when do we feel like I was in my feelings?

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Okay, back up. Let's not get in your feelings. I can't get past that first. Okay, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

I just feel like I just want to know when was I in my feelings? I feel like you're in your feelings now. I feel like you might be in your feelings. About what? About maybe my responses. I don't know. Why would I be responsible about it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

That's what I'm just trying to figure out. Like I we we could I'm not in my feelings, so I want to be clear on camera. I'm not in my feelings. Okay, I think you are.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

That's what you know. I I would love to see what would happen if that blunt was down and the type of reaction you're gonna give me. This is you with smoking the blunt. I can imagine what you would be like without the blunt. Because isn't the blunt like a depressant? It kind of like helps you know reduce things and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

Well, maybe you should do a goddamn commercial. This is what weed, yeah. Yeah, on me. I don't smoke weed, so I can't do it. Well, you can do it on me.

SPEAKER_04 37:05

Like you go, you can put a little bam or something like it. At this point, I'm trying to help you reduce the amount of blunts you smoke a day. You know, maybe go from 10 to maybe five a day, and then maybe from five to maybe two a day, something like that. I don't know if that's possible, but that's just so my question is you got a cigar company called Freak Enpreneurs. Do you smoke your own products? Absolutely. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

So you smoke some of your money away. No, I buy my product. If I'm gonna smoke one that is under Freak Enpreneur, I purchase it. Interesting. If it's in my personal, yeah, but you, I mean, because you've been around me. You know I carry a personal humidor full of cigars at all times. But if I'm selling something, just like last weekend, I wanted one of the uh vanilla cognacs that I had, which was for$15, and I paid$15 for it back to myself. I cash out it to the to the account. So I don't, I don't, because that would be basically stealing from myself. So I I pay because obviously I purchased it for sale.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Stealing from yourself?

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

How's that still what?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Yeah, no, because if the county is.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

It's accounting for, that's what I mean. Okay, I got a question then. How did you pay for the product if the money if the company's not bringing in the money to pay for? How are you paying for the product? The job, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Personal funds, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

So you're not stealing from yourself, you're smoking, you're probably buying it, putting it in the business, and re-smoking.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what but I I say that because I've already built in a profit margin, what this is gonna be, and so I don't want to throw that off. So I want to make sure for accounting purposes that everything is accounted for the way I've already pre-said it. So again, if I'm if I'm if I'm selling this product, if I personally want to smoke it, it's just it's just like a business transaction. I gotta pay for that motherfucker. That's just how I operate my shit.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Which I understand, which is fair. I mean, I'm not gonna pay for my own stuff. I mean, that's just why I got the company because I don't have to do it. Like, I don't think some owners do that, but I understand why you have to do it, because especially when you're making$20,$30 annually, you have to reinvest that money back into yourself so that you so you could feel like your profit margins are meeting numbers when most of the people came from you.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

I want to know where the fuck are you coming up with these annual numbers from?

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Like, goddamn. Sorry. So, so in the cigar business, why why cigars? Why open up a cigar business? I'm so curious.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Man, I I I love cigars and I wanted to share my love with cigars by educating people about cigars and also sharing uh uh uh good cigars with people. Uh good cigars. Like, you know, a lot of times there's uh if you if you're not that really big in the cigar game, you wouldn't know it. But for those that do, we we buy, we purchase a lot of uh big name brand cigars. And there's some are good, some are bad, some are clear. What's the biggest name brand cigar you purchased? That I've ever purchased, I've purchased a David. The highest for me was a Davidoff.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

I don't know what that is. Let me see what it is. Can you spell that? Because I don't know how to spell that.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

D-A-V-I-D uh N-O-F-L, David off. David off. Davanoff. D-A-V-I-D.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

That's not what I said. Oh. What did you say? Spell Davinoff.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Shit, I don't even know what the fuck did I say.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

Can you rewind it?

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Yeah, I can for you. I know the weed is taking effect. I thought I thought I said Davanoff, right? Yeah, Davinoff cigars. I don't know what that is. Uh-huh. D-A-V. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

I.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

N. O. F F Davinoff cigars.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

There's no such thing as Davin cigarettes. Yeah, there's no N in it. There's there's David off cigars. Yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that's it. So you don't even know how to spell your most prized cigars. That's a problem. Why is that a problem? You don't know how to spell your most prized cigars. That's a major problem. I mean, that's not a pro I don't sell it. Well, you just said the most expensive cigars that you purchase for your business is the Davinov.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

I say nothing. No, not for my purchase, but my business. You said to purchase that I've purchased. And I said I've purchased. That's the most expensive that I've personally purchased.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

Maybe, maybe I asked the wrong question.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

What's the I'm not a I'm not a fan of it because I I the one that I smoke personally, I'm not a fan. So I it I could have spelled that motherfucker wrong because it's not anything that yeah, you definitely did.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

Now don't get me wrong, this website is this website definitely gives me luxurious upscale feel. Um, but my you know, so is Davidoff, Davidoff? So maybe it's David off. It's spelled like David off, but it might be David off. And I mean you talking about some Davinoff with an N, and there's no N in David.

SPEAKER_03 42:46

I would have called a Gandalf. Bitch, it don't matter. We got to the goddamn cigar. Shit.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

I'm just trying to. I smoke cigars and I'm still fairly new to the cigar game. So I'm trying to learn.

SPEAKER_03 42:59

You wouldn't have spelled the motherfucker right either.

SPEAKER_04 43:01

Well, I probably didn't. If if it's something that I smoke, I probably would have spelled it correctly. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay, so I was smoking. You definitely you probably had it maybe once, but I mean these look do look like high-end. Let me see what these things run for. They do look like pretty high-end cigars for the most part. They're so high-end, I don't even see the prices on the page. Hang on, this is insane. I mean, even the boxes are in these wood. Okay, here we are. Okay, maybe this is it. Signature. The oh, okay. So this one, okay. Wow. Okay. Hmm. These are a pretty expensive cigar for 25 for a 25 cigar box. The signature Toro,$717. I'm assuming you didn't get the box.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

Uh absolutely fuck no.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

Okay. There's there's a Corona. Um the box is$467 for what Davidoff did you do you? Smoke, do you do you remember? I don't know, bro. Okay, interesting. That's very interesting. How the hell are you gonna teach us about cigars and you don't even know what you're smoking?

SPEAKER_00 44:12

Dude, that was way bad. That was some drunk time.

SPEAKER_04 44:15

Drunk time. So right now, you can tell us the weed you smoking, which is cheesecake weed, and now you can't spell that off. What is it? Lime weed? What is it called? What did you call it? Key lime, man. Oh my, I'm sorry. Key lime pie, cheesecake pie.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

I know you want to talk about my motherfucking spelling.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

Let's talk about your memory, bitch. Okay, I'll let's talk about my memory. Now I do remember you saying you opened up your cigar spot because you like smoking cigars and you want to educate people on cigars. Then we talked about freaky. The word freaky came from you being freaky. So, from the sounds of it, this brand that you're saying is a business brand still comes back down to a personal brand. Because it's all about you liking cigars and teaching people to smoke cigars and you being freaky. So this comes back to freakypreneur, is a you problem, which is your brand. It's a hybrid, sir.

unknown 45:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 45:16

Spell Davidoff.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

I don't smoke Davidoff, so again, it's gonna be spelled incorrectly. I think you know, I'm sorry. Like, I don't even like I I believe in staying in your lane, and Davidoff is not in my lane. That I hell, I wasn't even saying the motherfucker correctly. If we really want to be transparent, like come on, bro.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

Like what's the hell? So judge me if the fuck you want to, but it's not no shit that I participate in. So I it's above my pay grade.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

Okay. So let me ask you this here. What kind of what kind of what kind of products does your the do you sell as far as your cigars?

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Like what is the what quality cigars would you say you sell and what makes it different than like um so you know I'm gonna I'm gonna carry um uh more of your um uh hand rolled uh cigars.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Um, actually they're becoming very popular. People are moving a lot more so toward the hand rolled cigars than like the traditional. Yeah. There's like a there's like a prestigious type of vibe, classy vibe to now, people moving to the hand rolled cigar.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Well, you know, um really quickly, I feel it tastes fresher for me. When it's when it's when it's fresh, hand rolled, it's just fresh versus, you know, when we're getting the tobacco, you know, that it I'm not saying it's not fresh, but it does sit and age for a while. And so it will get off uh uh a heavier smoke versus that that water is gonna give off that moist light. So it's just a different flavor for farm. So you roll them yourself with your own saliva? No, I oh hell no. I can't do no rolling. Yeah, I get I I I know I know someone I work with a guy um that does hand rolling and so your role so your cigars are custom rolled cigars.

SPEAKER_04 47:12

Oh yeah, absolutely. Is that more expensive? Is that what more? Would that be more expensive to do custom rolled cigars?

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Um, but uh in my situation, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_04 47:39

I like hand-rolled cigars.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

Okay, so like Isadel Soul.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

What wait, what'd you say about my cigars? I said you also like Isadel Soul, nigga. So spell it. I don't know how to spell that because I don't smoke that shit. So the cigars that I smoke is shit? I know. I'm just saying, like, don't see you the one in your feelings. No, I'm asking a question. See, we back on that.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

I didn't say it was shit. I just said I don't smoke that shit.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

Like, I'm not calling it shit. I'm just well, so would you so would you say that Incidentel Souls are pretty good cigars?

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Um, I think for the sweet profile cigars, it is one that is becoming popular. Um, I don't it will never supersede Tatiana, in my opinion. Um, but but but but it's the and see Incidel Soul at the same time only has like the one flavor. And more and more people are liking the multiple. So just and that that that's not a bad thing. It's just by kind of by default, a lot of people like different flavors. So that's why I say it's it's a decent, it's a decent smoke. Like when I be if I'm being trans fan, when I started smoking cigars, I started off on flavor. Java Mint. Um I actually smoked, used to smoke the Incidentel, so the Kentucky fried cured, those, those type cigars. Um, but but now I if I smoke one, it to me it doesn't, it didn't taste the same.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

Because it's not strong enough for you.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

I don't necessarily know it's and I don't necessarily think because it's not strong enough. I mean, the Incidentel Souls are pretty light cigars. What I'm saying is, no, I'm I know I I don't my my palate isn't just about how strong it is. Like if it's a good tasting cigar, it's a good tasting cigar. Like there's cigars like uh Southern Draw or Rosa Sharon cigar. That cigar is excellent. You know what I'm saying? And so I I'm just saying, like, that's not in that, it's not in that category. That's all I'm saying. So my so my cigars are shit. No, that's not what I'm saying, though, bro. So when my cigars are good, then they're they're decent. Yes, they're decent smokes. Like they're decent, like you would go and you would buy another one, but you ain't finna I it ain't, I mean, you really enjoy them, and I think again, that's individuality. So I'm not ain't nobody knocking you for that. Yeah, and you say individuality? I did, I probably did. I ghetto fired that motherfucker for you. I uh untraditional. So can we just keep it untraditional? Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Thanks. Individuality, okay. I smoke, I only smoke the Incidelsos and probably the Cuban, the Cohiba's. That's about it.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

I don't know. Yeah, but I'm hoping, we're hoping that we're gonna get you to try some different shit in 2026.

SPEAKER_04 50:47

Oh, when you can spell uh Davidoff, I probably can take it into consideration. Oh, okay. All right, well, cool. Yeah, because I now I saw the Davidoff's$700 box, and I'm the type of buyer I like prices that gets me to want to buy things. Like I'm I feel like I'm more of a high-end buyer. I like because that it's$700, it challenges me to go out there and get it. I'm like, oh, I want I want to try that.$700, this must be some pretty top nine. I that's the kind of buyer I am. I'm not a person that look at I do look at prices. I think prices are important. I'm I'm I'm a perch, I when I purchase things, pricing does matter to me. If it's too small or too cheap, I'm gonna think that it's crappy quality or service. But if it's like pretty high, I'm gonna think, ooh, this is this is this is you know, this is exclusive. Like right now, I'm gonna start. I don't know if I told you, uh, you know, I taught the slide, you know, I'm I'm getting into golfing now. And I'm going, I'm looking at joining a golfing club here in my city, and I'm looking at the most expensive one. I mean, the initiation fee is like$3,000, where the other ones are like$200,000,$1,000. This one's like$3,000 for just an initiation fee. I think I just am fascinated with quality stuff. I say that to say I wouldn't smoke your cigars.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

Um, are you there? You think I give a fuck?

SPEAKER_00 52:23

Because at the end of the day, because at the end of the day, nigga, again, individuality, nigga, everybody has something that they like.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

I know if you don't want to fucking smoke a goddamn freaking preneur cigar, then fucking go ahead. Don't smoke motherfucking coom by goddamn ya.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Nigga, like, it's that's what I'm saying. Like, niggas get all emotional. I told you at the gate, freaky preneur is not for fucking everybody. Cool. Beans, let me do me and y'all fucking do you.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

It sounds like you're the emotional one right now. I don't understand. My last question. I got my last question. All right, my last question. Who is the freaky preneur cigars for? If you had to give me your ideal client, your ideal customer, who would you say your ideal customer is for the freaky preneur cigars?

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Uh, my ideal customer is uh an individual that enjoys smoking cigars, good quality cigars, um, especially cigars that they are not able to get access to. And what I mean by that is um, you know, there's a lot of small batch boutique cigars out there that are not mainstream. Um, and so uh I uh am specializing in black-owned um branded cigars, small batch boutique cigars. And so I'm looking for those people that can appreciate uh good quality cigars that aren't necessarily all the mainstream or all the hot end.

SPEAKER_04 54:04

I feel like that was a I feel like that was a slight attack to me in a way. I just don't want to take it that way, but I want to make sure I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

I mean, you shouldn't, because that was just that was a genuine, like that's that's like it ain't for me, like don't worry about it because it ain't meant for you kind of comment.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

That's how I say.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

No, it's not. No, it's not. Like, I mean that I am technically, I am for you because I also believe that there are a there is a cigar out. No, there is a cigar that I can bring to you that can be the same quality, if not better, of the damn Isadel soul. And I'm standing on this motherfucker right now. Let's bet that bitch.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

I can't bet anything on that, but I will say that, you know, it's gonna, I'm really stuck with like what I smoke. Like I'm a really kind of dance, stay in my lane kind of thing. Even what I eat. I don't really like trying new shit, but you know, I could if I could, but you know, and you know, I don't know how I feel about a freaky preneur cigar. I'm not a freak, not by a long shot.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Well, the cigar is not gonna be called freakypreneur. So I the name of the business is freaky preneur, but we will be selling other brands cigars in the brand. Let's be let's hold on. While we on camera, let's just be fucking clear.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

Right. But thanks, but we could be clear, but still, regardless of even if the name of the cigar is not freaky preneur, it's a category with under the freaky preneur, which does make it a freaky preneur cigar because they are branded under freaky preneur business. So it's still a freaky preneur cigar.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Freaky Peneur, freaky, freaky preneur. It's gonna be a fucking household.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

Freaky Peneur.

SPEAKER_04 55:52

I'm gonna end this show.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Are you?

SPEAKER_04 55:55

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and end it.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

This will be yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

You just you just chanted freaky preneuro on my show. So I'm definitely I did. Yeah, I'm gonna end it. Thank you, Calvin. I did enjoy. I I I I I I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

You thoroughly enjoyed it. I know.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

Nigga, you ain't gotta say it. I know.

SPEAKER_04 56:19

Listen, Calvin, thank you, man, so much for joining the show today. Um, hey man, listen, where can everybody find Freakpreneur? Because one, I can't when I Google them, I don't see a website, I only see Instagram. So where can we find you?

SPEAKER_00 56:30

We find me on Instagram, um, and you can also find me on Facebook. Um, they're tied together. So you should be to find that. And just to let you know, um, in the next few days, I am launching my online uh website for shopping, and there'll be inventory on there that you'll be able to select um and shipping gets to you quick. You know, I just want to highlight I do use UPS for shipping. So uh we're getting there fast tracking, all that kind of stuff. So that's where you can find me. So be on the lookout for the website.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

Good, cool, cool. I thought you were gonna bring the cigars to the people yourself. So you're gonna go to UPS. That's good, that's good. That's elevation for me. That's that's step up for the freakypreneur cigar business who's been in business for now a year now. You know, still not bad to change the brand name, but you guys keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think. Hey, thank you. Calvin, thank you for joining the Untraditional Entrepreneur Podcast. You are definitely the ideal candidate for this podcast. You were definitely untraditional and you're freaky in your own kind of ways while you smoke a cigar. Thank you all for tuning in. Who's listening to us? Um, please make sure you guys subscribe. Check us out on YouTube, check us out on our website at utepodcast.com. That's utepodcast.com, where you guys will get all of the latest episodes from video and audio. In the meantime, we thank you, Calvin, for joining the show. Go check out Freaky Peneur. This is still my boy. He does got some good cigars. I'm just paying with him. This is what we do all day, every day. This barbershop talk. This is your I'm your host, Jameen Delmus, and welcome to the other side of motivation. We will see you guys on the next episode. Talk soon.